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As I read about your successes, I can’t stop thinking towards this as “gross”. Taking a woman straight home might be a great ego boost but I don’t think intimacy should be thrown out so quickly. Even for men. And yes, I’ve done it and it’s fucking gross. Also, you risk running into an STD (condoms don’t protect 100%) or a false accuser / psychobitch. Good luck proving you haven’t r**ed once she false accuse you because you just pumped and dumped her. You seem to be so fixed on “how can I do this…
/r/seduction02/02/24 12:55 PM
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For a new more months? How?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:37 AM
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These ratings are actually limiting you. There is no 6, 7, or 10s. It’s all in your head. As a man, once you become confident enough, and develop to the best you could be, you should act like no woman is outside your grasp. Yes, women will subconsciously rate you and decide to move to something better if you look like a toad. Life’s life. But it’s not a video game, if you are really interesting, smart, confident, well presented, etc as a man you will have plenty of opportunities even with beauti…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:32 AM
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No one should lie. I seriously don’t know what you’re talking about!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:23 AM
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Buddy stop obsessing over this stuff and go work on yourself. What things should men change? You’re probably super young. As you age as a man, given you’re not a loser, you will gain more value compared to now and relatively compared to similarity aged women. Just grow into a decent and strong man, and you’ll be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:21 AM
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Value is determined by supply and demand. As all women want the top 20% of men, those men have a value that’s relatively higher than the top 20% of women. That’s because men have a wider range of what they might find acceptable in women (let’s say top 40%). Here, I explained it in few lines without all the autistic shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:11 AM

That’s what every man should do, just in case. Swab the baby, get the results back and sleep well knowing 100% the baby is yours. Women know for sure, why shouldn’t men know for sure as well? Besides, most tests also include genetic profiling for the baby so you will also get to know potential inclinations and weaknesses in advance. Win win.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 07:55 PM
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“Having kids is a bad deal for women”. Wow. This is the real reason why we don’t have kids, they have convinced a whole generation of women that having kids is a burden… yes it is if you’re a shallow self centred asshole. Having kids should mean having a legacy, enjoying the beauty of raising another human being and adding something of your own to this world. It is a sacrificial act but an act that brings meaning and grace to your life. Instead, all modern women can think of is TikTok and sleepi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 10:06 AM
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My apologies, you are right. I made a mistake and replied to your comment thinking I was replying to another. I will delete it!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:40 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:26 PM

Thanks for your comment!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 10:08 PM

What do you mean? This is a thought experiment, I don’t run a OLD website
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 10:07 PM

Absolutely, this is more of a thought experiment in the end
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 10:01 PM

Yes, you would need to distribute men with desirable traits on paper and give them bad facial structures, bad profiles, erc
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 09:53 PM

Fair point
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 09:14 PM
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It’s the case in most relationships worldwide.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:59 PM
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We allowed women to get the benefits of modern prosperity, but we still burden men with the responsibility of that prosperity. That’s the essence. Things like feminism go out of the window when difficult arise, see the current war in Ukraine (women aren’t required to fight), or in western family courts (women aren’t expected as men to provide), or in gender dynamic (women still expect a man to be a man but aren’t traditional women themselves). So you’re right. The issue is that deep down society…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:34 AM
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All of those are very basic social rules. I hope they help the socially awkward men in here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 10:27 AM
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TL:DR?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 10:11 AM

What the hell do you really do without thinking? Men don’t think “I will provide and protect so I get this and that in return”; but of course if they don’t ever receive anything back they will eventually move elsewhere. I don’t know why it is so difficult to agree on such simple stuff. All this conversation is you trying to find a “gotcha!” moment on me about men. Is it so shattering for your mind to think that men are designed to provide and protect? It seems so obvious to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 02:36 PM
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It’s instinctively, but like with all other things in life we need something in return. Otherwise we move our services elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 09:44 PM
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It is male instinct to protect and provide. It is not male instinct to protect and provide without receiving anything, not even loyalty or respect in return. Which is why some men would not support their families if they didn’t have the government forcing them to. First, it’s a small minority. Second, these are cases in which the families failed the men, not vice versa most times.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 04:12 PM
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All the masculine qualities you described exist in men because they serve the purpose of protecting and providing. You cannot provide and protect a family if you aren’t a leader, independent, strong, and competent. Men don’t help men because we are born and raised to help women and children. You can see it in everyday settings with men, it’s in our nature. I’m at a loss of words for the ignorance shown in these comments. No wonder modern women are so hideous and horrendous since they understand …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 09:10 AM
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Hilarious reading of a woman saying that men are raised to put their needs first. What kind of deranged feminist projection is this?! Men’s main purpose in life is to serve and please other people. We are socially and biologically hard wired to provide and protect. Why do men not form profound connections with other men? Because we learn very early on not to rely on anyone but ourselves. Friendships are cool as long as they’re somewhat superficial. If they become too deep then they might impede …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 09:46 PM
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You don't consider the higher efficiency of OLD; you can talk with so many more people, of a higher age range, that you know are already looking for love, etc.. Places like gyms or classes are very hard if you want to find new people, most women there aren't necessarily looking for love or might be already taken. Plus, I don't want to be limited in my choice by the 5-10 women that attend that specific class. OLD is so powerful if you know what you are doing. You can literally filter and choose f…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 09:02 AM
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Horrible advice to give men who don’t even know what they really want. Men, yes even unsuccessful men, think they want sex because they can’t get it. But they will eventually get the sex. Sooner or later they get it, and they could even just pay for it. However that’s not the end goal. What they truly want and that is really difficult to acquire is a true connection. You can’t get a true connection and wholesome intimacy with coke whores. Men should aim to find love, not some sloppy drug induced…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 12:30 AM

What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 04:23 PM

For sure! Nobody forces me to get married and that's why I am not married today. Women I've been with in the past have tried to convince me, but failed. The thing is, just like women demand security in the modern world via government sponsored servitude (child support, alimony), then men should demand their needs are met via, for example, paternity tests. Do women care about what men think when it comes to their rights? No. So men should do the same. In short, I don't care about your feelings ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:00 PM
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That’s what I will do when my children are born. I will test them on my own, preferably without the mothers knowledge. For paternity but mostly for genetic profiling. I have already performed genetic testing on myself because I prefer to know if there is anything I need to keep an eye out for. Thankfully, I’m super healthy so I won’t need to worry about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 11:08 AM
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I understand the suffering that might come from knowing your partner doesn’t trust you. But isn’t the same when women want to marry because they want to know for sure if something happens they will be taken care of? I had this conversation many times in my life: Man: We don’t need marriage because we can just live together and arrange legal stuff without marriage. Woman: I want marriage because if you decide to leave I want to know I’m protected. Men: So don’t you trust me? We can set up an agre…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 11:06 AM
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Women will never understand how it feels living with the doubt. There is no need to justify a man asking for a paternity test, no need to argue, men want to know because they can’t EVER naturally be 100% sure. Why not give men the right to know for sure? Bottom line I don’t care how my wife or woman feels about it. No man should ever care. We have the technology to empower men and we should use it, good women have nothing to hide. If women didn’t have certainty of being the mother, we would hear…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 09:23 PM
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When I was single I was dating someone new every 2/3 weeks, having sex as little as necessary as a man every about 2 weeks and usually within a few dates. I don't think it's an incredibly unattainable goal for a man, as long as he's not below average and he puts effort into dating. Of all the men? I'd say probably below 10%. Of all the men that are putting in effort in dating? Probably about 20-30%.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:15 PM

And your point is? The question was about men and women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 06:41 AM

Every single point you made shows how ignorant you’re being in regards with what men bring. The greatest example is childbearing needs: do you really think that men don’t provide enough support when raising a child just because the mother is naturally in charge of a baby immediate material needs? This is the mentality that brought us to the single mother epidemic and father not being involved with kids because they’ve been bullied out by the mother. Studies show you NEED a man to raise functiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 06:22 AM
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I know men reject women because they are short, and the question made me think. I think we don't hear about it from women because men are more accepting of differing height.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 08:16 AM
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My apologies I will specify, yes it’s easier for women before 25 and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 09:48 PM
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Before 25, women. After 30, men. EDIT: I meant it’s easier for women before 25, easier for men past 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 09:13 PM
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As a man I say it’s full blown cope. Rejecting a woman solely based on physical attributes is totally valid to me and the same applies to men. I don’t see why anyone should be morally compelled to date someone that doesn’t tick their boxes. Do you want to be dated by a woman because her friends think she’s shallow if she doesn’t date you? I want a woman that ardently wants me, nothing less.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 04:32 PM

I don’t doubt there are instances of women that are forced into things they don’t normally like or worse, but as long as they had the option to stand up and say “no” and walk away you can’t claim she was abused. If you work an industry based on pleasing other people of course people are gonna be upset if you say no to a performance. But being upset is NOT equal to actually forcing someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 06:04 AM

Do you think injecting male hormones every day won’t have an effect on women’s preferences?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 05:58 AM
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Women simply want a man that’s desirable by everyone but not one that will stick his dick in any woman just because he can. As a man I think both men and women should be very selective despite having access to many options. Just because I could fuck many women it doesn’t mean I should or that it is in my best interest. Meaningless sex becomes pointless very fast trust me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:43 PM
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I will admit that there are probably men who suffer a lot nowadays and objectively face huge challenges when it comes to attracting women. The level of suffering highly depends on your starting point - so if you’re in that 40% of lucky blessed men you’re probably advantaged and therefore destined to more success regardless of your efforts. I am in my early 30s and looking back I can say that I never had huge issues attracting women even though I was often not the first choice. I have been in rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 09:58 PM
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I wouldn’t say dating for men is work, but is a performance. You have to put in efforts to perform as the best you can. But don’t women do the same, or am I missing something?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 09:59 AM
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My fellow man this is not the experience I had in my life nor seen happening to other people. I don’t recall one single man that wasn’t able to get some female attention, especially if they tried enough. Could it be that you have unrealistic goals when it comes to women? I don’t even understand if you want a relationship or just casual sex. If you want to get women having something attractive about yourself is just the beginning. It could be just looks, or a mix of personality, power, looks, etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:29 AM
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It’s incredible that this has to be said so many times. If you exclude party sluts young women usually do find older men to be more interesting because of experience, confidence, skills, and because they’re more mature. Of course the principle works if you consider women who are serious about their future in that moment and men who have invested in themselves and reach a good place in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 05:04 PM
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Women will never understand how men feel becoming suddenly attractive in their 30s after years of relative obscurity. And for the women saying this is not true, it is true for men that have their sh*t together and didn’t let themselves go.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 11:42 AM
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How old are you? Your perspective is one of young men that have not yet fully realized their potential. Long story short, if you're bottom of the barrell ugly to the point of looking deformed, you're going to suffer anyway. You can still improve but you won't be exceptional. If you're an average joe there is plenty of room to improve to the point of becoming actually interesting to women. But you need to work hard, buld up a better personality, face adversity and come out of it, and invest on yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 11:11 AM
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She knows that's all she is good for
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/10/23 10:02 AM
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Well I see what you mean and you’re right on the “good looking” guys receiving all the attention. I know because it happens to me. The inescapable prerequisite to make social event work in your favour is that you HAVE to be someone women like to talk to or gather at. You can do so even by just sheer confidence! Which is not easy AT ALL, you at the bare minimum need to be presentable, decently looking, well dressed, confident, project an a good aura, etc. No technique is going to make you become …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:42 AM
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I’m above average in looks and confidence, and I agree. Social interactions simply amplify your potential but if you have none you’re screwed anyway. I think the advice makes sense for younger men that still need to build up social skills - being often with other people helps you learn and improve how you present yourself if you have not had the chance before. I would say being among other people and women will help you overcome barriers you might have but it’s not a silver bullet - you still ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:26 AM
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People fail to realise that the issue is not how many people we have but how many fertile woman a society has and the psychological processes that are already in place. We could even be 10 billion but if 99% of these people are not fertile or willing to bear children then you’ll have a population collapse anyway. And immigration from fuck all countries is not a valid answer because a) people from completely different backgrounds will bring MANY more issues and troubles and b) they will face the …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 09:58 PM
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Clubs and disco Meetup groups Online chat rooms (not dating) Events for single Community services Church Courses Yoga classes
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:33 PM

Yes, but to a lesser degree. As a man I’ve rejected women because they were too short. I simply don’t like them because they seem… fragile. I think taller women are usually sexier up to a point, which depends on how tall you are. You don’t want a woman that’s 20 cm above you either (those are very rare).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:26 PM
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The question is for women but of course the correct answer is A. The first twin has independence and project a more experienced aura, therefore will always be preferred by women. What was the point of this question?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:48 AM

I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss the point by saying that people in love should not fear competition. Let’s be real and admit that some overt competition is always happening, because unless you live on a deserted island with your partner there is always some chance that if you neglect them they might start looking elsewhere. Neglect in this context means lowering the quality of what you bring to the table, may it be looks, effort, care, etc… If you get fat, become insufferable, not return affe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 07:16 AM
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Tell me you know nothing about women without telling me you know nothing about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 10:33 AM
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You need to go out more pal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 06:22 AM
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I have rejected many times women in my life, some of them offer sex as a bargain chip but it’s a desperate attempt at that point. What usually happens is that you both date for a while and then if the woman is rejected from a stable relationship she will claim she has been “used”. That’s resentment from a rejected woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:38 AM

Because the dude shows to have little understanding of how these dynamic works. It would be like a woman with her life in order dating a broke heroin addict - what the fuck is she thinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:29 AM
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If all most women can offer is sex, then at least she has to be pretty and cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:24 AM
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Both men and women need each other but most will try to deny it to appear stronger. The more a woman says she doesn’t need a man, the more she actually need him. It’s just nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:21 AM
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It doesn’t get better with age for you if you don’t develop yourself as a man. Men who are driven and confident will have success also before 24, some just require more time to shine.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 01:13 PM
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Look, she is likely not directly taking care of him like a poor woman would. They have massive money and help. She got everything she wanted from the marriage and enjoining a life of privilege, it’s a special case you can’t compare with regular women. If you consider the clear threat of social judgment and changes that would entail, she doesn’t really benefit from leaving him. She will have a happier and safer time just taking care of him than leaving him. If Wills was poor and she had to sacrif…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 07:30 AM
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No, but the answer is social media and romantic media. Social media inflate the sense of abundance in women, it makes them feel as if men are endless and always interested in them; mainly due to simping. Romantic novels and media inflate the requirements women have for men, the biggest issue is men being depicted as mere providers of emotional and financial support. Also many media nowadays celebrate toxicity in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 03:31 AM
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I'll save you the trouble of figuring out this on your own, but dating is for getting into a long and stable relationship and that is ultimately for reproduction. Family, kids, and legacy. Not anything else of real value will come out of relationships, most people without these needs would be probably better off alone. It sounds like I am trying to bring you down but I am just pointing out the facts - a good relationship is invaluable because it will give you the satisfaction of building a new f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 07:42 AM
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Women only select men they need. The 30s woman that wants you do so because she needs to settle down. The 20s hottie you lust over wants you because you’re older and represent everything she lacks in that moment, experience, wisdom, guidance, maturity. Both will take advantage of you, hopefully in a good sense: they seek you for what you can provide. You should do the same. As long as you find a woman to share purpose with, she’ll be with you and follow your footsteps.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:39 AM
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If you consider that most dangerous, dirty, strenuous but essential jobs are carried out by men; you’ll conclude that yea, probably women need men more than the reverse. The obvious fact is that men do need women for the most essential needs (reproduction) which is supposed to balance for that. Given what modern society has become, honesty I think that women are way more dependent on men (as gender) than the reverse in most western societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:35 AM
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Sounds like he picked an awful woman, violent behaviour and toxicity are not age dependent
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:31 AM
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Most women have slept around, dress up like sluts, have intimate male friends, post naughty pictures on social media, and don't properly take care of their bodies. It is only reasonable for men to not date those women, or at the very least not marry them. It is no surprise to me that marriage in the west is dying, who in their right mind would link their financial, emotional, and family legacy to a woman that acts like a whore? The only solution is men being MORE selective. Do not date women who…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 10:28 AM
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Being alone is simply amazing. The lack of disturbance, the endless possibilities, the silence, the knowledge that no one can tell you what to do, and no one depends on you. We all come to life alone and go into the night alone. The earlier you accept it the earlier you can enjoy life at the fullest. If you’re unable to find company, then of course being alone feels like a sentence for you. But if you know you have reasonable abilities to find company if you want, then being alone feels like the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 08:16 AM
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Being hot, confident, masculine, competent, muscular, caring, in control, and all the rest that makes women go "wow".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 08:31 PM
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If you had any trait that attract women you’d know women are as obsessed by sex as men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 06:53 PM
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It gets much easier for men and harder for women. The power dynamic shifts because men essentially get more valuable (given they invest in themselves as they should) and women slowly see their time window for family reducing. Women single in their 30s are usually aware of this to the core. Men usually age better as well, if not physically at least in the eyes of a potential partner. Plus older men as they age see their pool of potential partners increase: at 20 you can usually date between 18-22…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 07:34 AM
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Some women swipe only on about 2% of men… In my life as a man I’ve learned that if I remove the lust from my eyes and get as picky as I want, I can also claim that only about 2% of women are attractive. If I focus on the exact physical characteristics that I aspire to in my woman, it’s true that only a handful of women are good enough for me. Examples are: I want her slim, tall, with certain facial features, blonde, with the right sizes, etc etc What I mean is that if I put my hypercritical pant…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 09:23 AM
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Being hot is often not sufficient
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:19 PM
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Women reward men that can make them feel full of positive emotions. These positive emotions could be arousal, positivity, confidence, hope, euphoria, admiration and a bit more. It’s not rocket science once you understand the mechanism. If you want to get laid and find love you have to impress by transmitting these positive emotions. Women want being uplifted by a charismatic man just like men want kinky sex from a hot chick. Women around you have to feel uplifted and excited when dealing with yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:00 AM
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Men do put less efforts in their appearances, but that’s mainly because they’re subconsciously aware that they’re gonna be valued for other traits more than that (assertiveness, confidence, money, dominance, etc). I’m general, I think any man should just aim to trim hair & beard, wear nice clothes, and don’t be dirty. Just look at a fashion magazine cover and copy that. Beyond that we need to also be muscular, confident, take the lead, and all the other long list of requirements. Women on the ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 11:30 PM
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I’m a man and I do find women that take care of their nails sexy. Also hair, clothes, and accessories. What I noticed in my life is that strong more manly men often want feminine girly women, while girly men are more open to manly women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 11:27 PM
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The fact you're asking that question makes it easy to understand you're not experienced. To maintain a relationship long term you need to have certain skills that you may get only via experiencing relationships. Simple example: productive communication between partners, even in the worst times. You need to have common goals, make compromises, learn how to temper expectations and shared plans, actively keep the flare burning, learn to live together, handle intimacy issues, and a lot more.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:02 PM
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As a man I say it’s a yellow/red flag. When women do it it’s sign of probable stability issues down the road; for men it’s not much different. Plus if you’ve never been in a relationship you lack the maturity to handle it; so any woman entering your life will need to accomodare for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 11:08 AM
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I think what you say is valid when you're young and you have zero intention of bulding something. Sex is always appealing but life isn't just sex. Ideally, at a certain point in your life you'll want a family. You'll want to build a home and raise the next generation. Of course in some countries they have done everything in their power to dissuade people from procreating, but at the end of the day it's what most people want to do if left in a natural and sane envinronment. Feminism and the power…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 02:56 PM
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I think you're view is a bit too simplistic and extreme but I get the underlying sentiment. You seem to come from experiences in which women expected you to treat them a certain way just because they're women, and that clearly headbutts with the modern mantra of feminism pushing for equality. Reality is that women do not want equality - for them it's a contant battle for being perceived as victims while still enjoying their privileges. That would not be a complete disaster IF women did not lost …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 02:05 PM
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You're gonna be dismissed as mygonistic but you're totally correct. Women have abandoned their traditional gender role en masse and no longer seem to be raised to be good wifes and partners. What is there for the men that want to truly put in effort? Most women I've met in my life were horrible partners: toxic, entitled, loud, morally fragile, weak, and deceitful. Look at how women are praised even when they screw up, and how they are idolized, and it's no surprise they're walking meatsuits of e…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 01:44 PM
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A lot of younger men are not desirable. Women are mature emotionally earlier in life, compared to men. If you pick people in their early 20s you’re absolutely correct: most men at that stage are emotionally under developed and are less desirable in the eyes of women. Once men fully develop in their late 20s and early 30s things completely flip. Men eventually get quite mature and stable emotionally and intellectually later in life, in my view often more than the average woman. So I disagree with…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:24 AM
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It depends on the circumstances
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 12:44 AM
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What a wonderful and touching post. I will send you a private message…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 12:41 AM
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Women do show interest in more subdole ways. Like that girl from the office that strike conversations with you sometimes. Or that cashier that smiles at you every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 04:48 PM
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I’m sorry for how it went for you, it seems you were merely a victim of the circumstances because she was inevitably destined to move on from you. Your post made me reflect on the dangers of dating someone much younger, in a very profound way. Thank you. If she had been 25 or older would things have gone differently? I personally spent my youth with a woman a bit younger than me. We stayed together for a loooong while and it ended because I was the one that needed to move forward. As men I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 06:27 AM
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That defiance is peak female nature, she’s literally behaving like a small stupid princess.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 04:16 PM
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Women don’t need to be nice all the time, only the times she’s with her SO. If my woman was that rude and crazy, I would see her just as a past time. She’s nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 04:13 PM
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It does not make sense for me to try to demolish each of your points above, because you’ll always find reasons to justify marriage. I was speaking about generalities across the western world and you bring up again your specific case. I already told you I don’t know about the rules in your state and I don’t even live in the US. The point is that the general notion of exploring different ways to arrange family life is worthwhile because marriage in most cases is a lose-lose for men. And to people …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:51 PM
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There is no case to solve because unfortunately there is no ideal way to handle this. And that’s precisely the point. You can go for a traditional marriage and hope things work out. Or you can arrange things your way, knowing pros and cons and trying to make sure everyone is happy. Of course… even going for option 2 means having to make compromises. But given that I, as a man, don’t have any benefits in a marriage… I still prefer to arrange things how I see fit. At least I can control the damage…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 09:26 AM
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You are bringing up a specific case that’s outside my comfort zone. You need a lawyer to sort things out in specific cases. But there are ways… My point is that FOR MEN, the costs of making things on your own is small compared to the risks and costs of a marriage and divorce. You can sort and set up things YOUR WAY without needing to invite the state in your family affairs - it won’t be easy but it beats depending on what the current divorce laws say. You forget that divorce laws change constant…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 08:44 AM
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I’ve been in relationships with different women, and I kind of agree with what you are saying. I think that if your man is very attractive and very good at making you comfortable it will be easier for the woman to overcome minor sex issues or boundaries. Not always, but sometimes women experience issues around sex because they don’t get aroused enough or have mental blocks. I never had major issues convincing my parter to experiment with things they were not comfortable with previous partners, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 08:39 AM
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Depends on the local laws. In my country if I have kids they’re assured inheritance even if they are born out of marriage. For a partner you can directly put the name of the person on the property title you want to give them (partial or full property). Or you can put their name in the will. Or you can make a usufruct contract - they will be able to use the property freely until you or they die. Or you can use different more complex mechanisms, too long to list here. You could even sign a contrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:40 AM
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In most western countries there is absolutely zero reasons to get married for a man, unless you’re destitute and your future wife is way richer than you. All arrangements, including safeguarding the kids future, sharing assets, showing commitment, and arranging for when you’re gone can all be set up without a marriage certificate. You can live the same life as you two were married without having to officially be married, therefore keeping the state out of your family life (for the most part). If…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 06:30 AM
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In my circle, me included, younger women date older men consistently. If you survey men and women 18-25 it will result that most men are single while most women are paired (with men that are older and not in the survey).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 07:16 AM
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Being better mostly. That means becoming a strong, resilient, logical, calm, and well mannered person. It also implies being able to be good company, know how handle difficult or extreme situations, and how to be a good partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 07:08 PM
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The true one. Becoming better as a person is the first step in attracting others.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 08:30 PM
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While I appreciate the sentiment, men do not have the same options as women do. If only because women generally earn less than men; so we can’t necessarily easily find women who earn as much as us. If only because women are more overweight than men, they’re in worse shape generally; so we can’t necessarily have access to the same amount of well trained partner pool. If only because men tend to value youth and physical attractiveness (not only for superficial reasons, also for reproductive reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:20 PM

What is blue pill advice really? Being nice and making your woman happy at all costs? Seem a good recipe for disaster. Real men need specific and practical advices.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:37 AM
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Wildest people are the most jealous because they know deeply how easy and simple it is to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:40 PM
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Both sexes have their own issues and requirements. All of the women you posted pictures of will have undoubtedly relatively good success in the dating market because they do have low body fat and are reasonably healthy looking. Of course, older skinny women can’t compete with younger skinny women (most times) but that’s reasonable: men value youth over everything else. Most complaints about men being not considered in the dating market stems from young males being comparatively much less attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 07:21 AM
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The simple point that everyone misses when judging men in their 30s looking for women in their early 20s is that these women WILL eventually mature like everyone else. It is not like these women will never eventually become themselves “wiser” like the older women. Picking a family oriented and serious young woman will mean you get zero baggage and get the joy of growing together - with the added benefit of enjoying all the woman’s best reproductive years. You have time for planning and build som…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:07 AM
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Congrats on your wonderful story! Makes me wonder if those stats are in part due to the social stigma that age gap relationships have.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 07:18 AM
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Interesting data but I don’t see the link to the real study, can you provide it to me? In any case, these facts could be a case of correlation and not causation. In part. First of all, if the data is real, then it is reasonable to conclude that if you pick a random age gap relationship, you can claim they have less chances of being long term paired, and you would be correct. Nothing to discuss here, the data speaks for itself. However one has to analyse the potential reasons as to why. When it c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 07:12 AM
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Wild how modern women have been convinced that being a used-up whore and not being able to enjoy stable families and legacy is “empowering”.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 01:53 PM
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Interesting. Do you have a study to link?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 07:07 AM
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I had been with someone who was a bit too heavy. At first I didn’t mind it then when I imagined long term family life I was worried about long term survivability. I, as a man, mind weight not only because of looks but also because I want the mother of my kids to be there when they are older. Overweight and especially obese people have reduced life spans, and even reduced healthy years (years where they are disease free). Would you choose a partner with a known increased risk of death, given you …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:54 PM
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I agree with what you said but there are specific age ranges at which men and women peak. For women I think it’s around 22/25. For men I think it’s around 30/35.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 10:47 PM
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In general men want good women, who are feminine and compassionate. I am happily paired with a wonderful woman and I’ve been with different women in the past; and that’s why I talk with such confidence. Quality meets quality. There are good women in the west but some of them are confused, indoctrinated, out of shape. In the east they are usually more presentable and better educated. That’s an unfortunate truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 03:08 PM
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Men want women that complement them, that are feminine, beautiful, caring, and compassionate. Are you able to provide that? We do not give a fuck about the rest. You won’t give a fuck about men unless they are the tall princes you were promised and can provide for you. Why would any man be ashamed into accepting a failed, unfeminine, and opinionated woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:40 PM
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“Men work less” Okay, discussion closed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:33 PM
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Female nature is just expressed differently in both scenarios you mentioned. There are studies about it: when women have their financial needs in order they tend to not “need” to invest in becoming more appealing. They become disconnected from the need to convince men to provide and care for them. In countries where women are traditionally more bound to the family and are taught to seek men’s provision then they invest more in being appealing to men. There’s a case to be made that women in the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:09 PM
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It is also a big problem to not realise that the reason some men prefer to seek out women from other cultures on the other side of the planet might be an indication of the low quality of women they have at home. Imagine being so starved for feminine energy that you have to go overseas to find desirable women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 11:09 AM
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Not being able to distinguish between “you’re” and “your” is also a big problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 07:01 AM
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For that matter in terms of hobbies, lived experience, lifestyle, and goals, a millionaire or billionaire is completely separated from an age equivalent average person. You don’t see actors or billionaires being close friends with many average people, and yet relationship between a successful actor and an average girl have happened and happen. People chase what they are attracted to, simply as that. No need to rationalise it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 06:42 AM
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I disagree. Trying to have fun and enjoy the moment while also being fundamentally a commitment oriented man? Sure! Taking it like a big joke? Naaa.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 01:48 PM
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Depends on the man and the age gap. 10-15 years age gaps are not a huge barrier for men that keep themselves relevant and in good shape. Examples are 30 year olds men going for 20 something year old women: an extremely common occurence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:41 PM
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Women shaming men for dating younger women is simply because these women are mad that men are able and empowered to date more attractive women. Before online dating it was harder for older men (30-45) to meet 20s hotter women due to social dispersion. Now it is super easy for these two age groups to match. Imagine being a 40 something woman seeing your potential partner dating and giving his best to a 20 something hotter woman. You’d be MAD and without any chance to compete. Only option? Shaming…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 09:42 AM
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As a 33 year old man that is relatively attractive and fit, I gotta say that the interest is mutual. Women around 20-23 look the most attractive to me and they enjoy the attention. I’ve dated women much younger than me and the combination of a more experienced man with a younger woman seem more natural to all parties involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 07:17 AM
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Some women will tell you until they are blue in the face marriage benefits men. They often cite weird statistics like “married men live longer” or that “studies shows that 70% of household duties fall on women” to try to convince you it is not like some men say. In truth, I’ve never seen a man that was better off married. Not one in my life. Yes, there are benefits in being in a relationship for men just like the same is true for women. But marriage goes beyond that and applies a veil of rights …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 07:42 AM

It's incredible that you point your finger at me while the reasons these wars exist in the first place is because of power hungry people going on TV convincing younger naive men to die for "freedom". It is never for freedom, always for power and money. Always. And yet these stupid young folks are bound to fall for it all the time. Case in point, the current war in Ukraine. I would rather kill people forcing me to fight than kill people I don't know anything about (remember in Ukraine right now m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 03:25 PM
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Horribly genius
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 07:04 AM
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Someone that sells his body to be sent 13.000km away to fight some rich man’s oil war is not certainly the pinnacle of masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 06:47 AM
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Women’s youth and innocence is prized by men of all ages. Men’s youth and innocence is not prized as much by women. For men, the ideal woman is young and relatively inexperienced. For women, the ideal man is a grown and experienced guardian. Totally different priorities. Women want a man that has its shit together and is confident - older men fill this need quite well. A man can still attract women in older age just for his position in life, the same can’t be said for women. For men, youth takes…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 09:09 PM
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Studies show that women are more likely to exaggerate a negative event. They are also more likely to receive social support, for example. So no, not all experiences are equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:46 PM
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If it was my own daughter I would not be worried about that. I don't see the issue with an older man seeking a younger woman, as long as he is serious about her. Much better to be with an older serious and hard working man, than with a same age kid which might be a bad influence or not ready for something serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 01:25 PM
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Grooming what? What is the issue with a 30 year old getting into a committed relationship with someone significantly younger but still over 18? I could see the issue IF, and that’s a big IF, we envision an older man blatantly abusing and using these younger women. But if both parties love each other and grow together I don’t see any issues with the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 11:14 AM
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Most men don’t want casual sex, they chase it because they want to be desirable enough to get casual sex. It’s mostly not about the sexual act but more about feeling powerful and desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 09:26 PM
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The only excuse these people might have is that they are going though a very bad period and somehow found a release valve this way. Other than that….
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 05:58 PM
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Your comment is spot on. Too many people nowadays are afraid of saying or admitting that things are bad, or that someone is damaged and needs fixing. Unfortunately the only way to build a strong society is to keep being truthful and direct with people; that means having the ball to say when something is NOT right. Too many people experience lives of comfort without having to face their issues and that eventually leads to a lot of problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 05:54 PM
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I think most women should lower their standards when it comes to “I want him tall and with green eyes”, and raise their standards when it comes to things like “I want him to be caring and nurturing”.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 05:53 AM
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Not surprising data, women want to be dominated by men they respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 03:10 PM

Men don’t lobby for prostitution because they need genuine physical contact for the most part. And… has it ever occurred to you that having prostitution denied might be because men are oppressed, and forced to seek the other sex via marriage and other unbalanced power dynamics?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 04:50 PM
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More competition: more men would have more established. Compared to the 20s, more men have good careers. If you keep working out and focusing on being high value, it is actually the opposite: most men this age let themselves go and/or are already taken. Being relatively attractive and taking care of your body and career in your 30s means you're automatically top 10% of available men. It is actually the opposite of what you state. Less supply: if you don't want to be a step dad, it takes out a hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 11:29 PM
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Fear is the great projector and motivator. Women complaining about men dating younger women are simply afraid of being left out. Rightfully so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:56 AM
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Because young women go for older men, while single men have to "wait" until they get 25+ to start getting some action. This is in line with our evolutionary biology and the mere fact that men take longer to really mature and become more desirable. On the flip side, if you were to make the same study for older people, you'll find out that older men get more action than older women. In short: men have more sexual success past 30, women have more sexual success before 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 07:37 PM
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I’m 33. Girls in range 20-28 appear to me the most physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 03:30 PM
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What I meant is, "try to spice it up and surprise him".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 11:04 PM
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A lot could be said, but in general you want to experiment and bring a lot of variety so that both of you can discover what really makes you go crazy. Making a man “come” is easy but there are many different type of male orgasms (same for women by the way), and the best ones can be reached only via specific circumstances or actions. For instances, a very slow build up of lust and exciting fore play will usually lead to a better orgasm, compared to a quick “release” ejaculation without passion. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 04:36 PM
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You are absolutely correct, variety is especially very important to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 04:32 PM
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Pleasing a man fully takes the same amount of skills than pleasing a woman fully. If we talk about just ejaculating then maybe you're correct. But it's true most women have no idea how to please a man fully ...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 12:07 PM
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I am 33 years old and I have plenty of options in the 20 and above range. Am I a outlier? Perhaps… but I see men with their shit together in their 30s pulling the same. As a 33 year old man in good shape, fit, and with a good job I usually don’t even look women past 30. Why would I? After 35 women do have options but it is not comparable with what they get when they are sub 30. Sorry this reality makes you salty.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:20 AM
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I think outliers exist but on average men have it easier than women past 30. I am sure some hot 35 years old women can still maintain orbiters and simps but that's a relatively small portion of women in their 30s. But most women past 35 become utterly invisible. I don't know what kind of women you know but I don't see women past 35 having much attention at all, let alone simps. Men on the other side, are generally well considered in their 30s, especially if they have something going for them. Of…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 10:26 PM
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You're confusing men and women getting in better shape after a relationship with the totally different concept of men and women power dynamics being more balanced past 30. What you said about women getting out of relationships is true. Applies to men as well. But to take your example, your if your friend was single in her 20s and put that effort in being beautiful back then, she would have had the world at her feet. Now at 35 she might be revamping herself, but she has still relatively less opti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 10:07 PM
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I’m a millennial and I’m in my 30s. Women past 30 have way less options than when they were in their 20s. And men’s value increase with age, likely peaking around 35, so the dynamics do change trust me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 08:42 AM

I stopped at the part talking about men being able to “buy happiness” by hiring prostitutes. As a fellow man I’m telling you to just fuck off.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:26 AM
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The part about beauty standards and how women have an advantage when it comes to social and legal life is sadly true. However, many of the dating advantages of women are in my opinion overblown. Women do have the advantage if you only consider younger women. Past 30 years old women quickly become invisible and dynamics invert. Unfortunately nothing will ever change about how society treats women and men at large because women are instinctively seen as the “sex to be protected”.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 07:49 PM
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Your whole premise if wrong because when you ask the question “Would you rather marry the cute or the hot sexy woman?” All men reading that will instinctively assuming that: Cute = typical good looking girl that has a decent personality and is a positive participating partner. Hot = a ultra sexy woman that’s a stuck up bitch because every man in 1000 miles want to fuck her and she knows it and will remind you every day each time you don’t 100% satisfy her. So the answers you read are more relate…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 06:16 AM
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I am in my 30s and I’m in a happy relationship with a 26 years old. I have also dated and been in a relationship with a woman older than me when I was approaching my 30s. If I were single again I would still date women in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 04:43 PM
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Pure projection from women. Girl that say that are coincidentally those that in relationship the only positive thing they bring is sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 11:55 AM
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In my opinion, you should not base the argument only on below average tier men. If all men get more matches in Asia just because they are westerners, then also average and above average looking men will gravitate towards other countries. I am average / slightly above average in looks and I used to get 10x the matches in Asian countries compared to Europe. It’s not that I didn’t get matches where I live, I just get MORE and of higher quality in other countries. And if I get 200 matches instead of…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 08:59 PM
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The issue wasn’t the age gap here, it’s that he dated a damned stripper.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:34 PM
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Being a wage slave and having to give all the fruits of your labour to someone who chills at home… how do you call that?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 04:51 PM
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And still you don’t weight in that your mother did not have to work before 50. She spent most of her life not having to worry about money. And all you can do is complain that she had to worry about money for the remaining decades; which is likely not even fully true because she got support from her family anyway. Your father had to worry about money before, during, and after the marriage. Your situation might have been particular but in most cases the man had much more accumulated stress than th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 07:34 AM
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Wake up. The same applies for the man. I doubt the man could save up money in this scenario; as he had to support HIS WIFE. So he does not have much to show for it anyway. Besides, most people slave away for their family at work and after a decade they don’t have anything to show for it either. In this scenario she had a laid back decade that allowed her to see her kids grow - a luxury many people dream of. I am a man and I wish I had that luxury.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:46 PM
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In reality no woman that had been a sahm for three decades will have to need a job post divorce. She’ll get alimony forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:41 PM
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I don’t understand if you can realise that she had been supported home without needing to slave away in a job for decades. It is just so bizzarre to me that women claim this is a bad deal for them. It would be like me having everything paid off in my life up to my 50s and then complain because I have to find a job (having a long time to readjust) - not realising most people will never have the opportunity to not work in the first place. And if you’re about to tell me raising your kids while bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:38 PM
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The scenario is completely off because John could not opt out of paying alimony. The more dependant the woman has been in marriage, the more she gets in divorce. Your scenario turns completely upside down in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 10:45 PM
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Simply put, a woman that recognize her partner's expertise and role and is able to follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 08:20 AM
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I know it sounds crazy but at least some men are not sex obsessed machines, unable to control their sexual desires or can’t stop imagining sex with anyone in their sight. Or at least, they don’t let sexuality have them act like dirty monsters; and are able to be sexually bonded to only one woman at a time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 07:34 AM
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Imagine not understanding the meaning of average and build a whole paragraph blaming men for women having unrealistic expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 10:07 PM
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The guy in the video is a fat and ugly narcissist… and he STILL gets tons of attention. This means RP theory is ever more valid because if you’re half decent you’re probably gonna have more success in the east anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 10:58 AM
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“If I ever get with her I’ll just be seen as a mean to an end”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 12:24 PM
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Yes he did. Read it again. The examples about the surplus of men and the scarcity of single young women without kids makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 08:06 AM
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I love that OP has raised interesting factual points and everyone in the comments is just calling him an incel. I suspect he hit the nail on the head when mentioning that the number of attractive or dateable women is tiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 06:59 AM
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Men like women who weren’t promiscuous. Promiscuity means having been with many people, not having had sex many times. Men prefer women who had 1/2 long term partners over women who had 20/30 short term flings, even if the amount of sex is comparable. The first likely has the same if not more experience in bed without all the baggage that having been with many dudes brings.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:59 PM
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Yes, I would. I would take the opportunity with my free time to pursue more risky / conceptual but potentially successful business ideas. I would set up ventures, even just mentioning/online jobs, to rack in some money while also doing something I consider meaningful. I would have time to keep myself in good shape, pursue my hobbies, and cook/care for my family. I would surely keep up on learning new skills, for example coding. I would make sure I have enough time to properly plan my next years …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:06 AM
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I’m a kinky man myself and I am not a man slut. Why do you think being dirty in bed should always come with promiscuity?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:27 PM
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Absolutely terrifying that women can’t figure out by themselves that low tier men’s lives are not a patriarchal wet dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:19 AM
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It's not rocket science to understand that men love women who are sexually open to kinky stuff, but they prefer women who did not have too many partners. Men would be perfectly fine with porn level performances, and even produce porn with their SO, as long as she's committed to him only and doesn't have a promiscuous past.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 11:37 PM
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There is no need for men to justify their wants. Men don’t particularity like sluts. More so, they hate sluts that have been slutty with other men but not with them. Period. No need for further justification.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 11:30 AM
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It’s just a show, it won’t reflect real life even if the authors wanted to (and they want to do the opposite).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 07:48 AM
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As a man I say they should. Both women and men get somewhat tainted by indiscriminate promiscuity. But my personal experience says that women do not care about their partner high count nearly as much as men, if anything women seem to be aroused by men who have high counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 11:19 AM
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Men very rarely support each other as women do. Men’s issues are last priority for all of society, as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 07:25 PM
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Women aren’t more attractive than men, not even a chance. The idea women are more attractive stems from men being more openly about lust and women being overly obsessed with their looks, meaning they invest more into looking good than men. That’s not the same as being more attractive. If we consider attractiveness as the sum of all traits that make a partner desirable, I would say men and women are roughly on the same level if you consider the average value of both sexes in all aspects; physical…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 07:23 PM
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You’re making it too complicated. Women by nature are hard wired to not care about men’s issues; society itself is careless about men’s issues because men are biologically more disposable. Women are a bit more valuable biologically and their issues are prioritised (women are wonderful effect). Women care only about the men in their immediate vicinity (husbands, children).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 06:17 AM
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You’re over generalising and being disrespectful towards many men that rationally prefer to not be in a relationship with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 06:27 PM
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“Incels that get laid” is an oxymoron. What the hell are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 06:21 PM
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Some MGTOW men are incels, but the majority I’ve talked to in my experience were hurt men who had their life turned upside down by a one-sided (gynocentric) family law system and realised they spent their lives serving women. False accusations, abuse, neglect, manipulation, and so on. These individuals are rightfully feeling betrayed by their social system and their families. So for these men, MGTOW is a support group of some sort, and society ain’t give them an alternative pressure valve anytim…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 05:37 AM
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The original MGTOW subreddit was kind of toxic. The alternative MGTOW2 subreddit was much better, mainly men sharing stories of bad relationships and talking about their lives alone, toys, finances, life plans, etc… You’re fixated on the idea MGTOW men are screaming incels because a minority of men attracted by the movement are incels. Most MGTOW are silent and well rounded guys that decided they don’t want to prioritise women in their lives, marry or cohabitate anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 05:30 AM
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Feminism: “Go on lady it’s empowering to fuck strangers on the regular! Don’t worry, you can always abort the fetus! Oh and if you wanna keep it, you can always do a paternity fraud on good boy Ted! And if he finds out… divorce rape him ;)” MGTOW: “Single ladies stay away, we want to live our lives without you” Feminists: “OH MY GOD! These guys are incels and literally want women raped!”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 07:40 AM
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You got it backwards. Women respond well to confidence, competence, and power, irrespective of anything else. A confidence man is a man that is well experienced, and shows to be in control. A competent man is a man that knows how to get things done, knows it, and is not afraid of go for it (including seducing women). A powerful man is a man that has power over himself and other, is driven, is attractive because he knows what to do to be so. Being honest in the context of a high value man is fair…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 05:52 AM
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Women are extremely easy to understand, given you learn how they are driven by emotion and you have enough emotional intelligence to read them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 05:21 AM
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Yes I agree with your words. That’s what I think of it when entering a new relationship. But it’s also true that we all possess a sense of competition and want to feel special. That’s why this “acceptance” is not limitless.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 10:48 AM
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If your man has been with kinkier and hotter women that satisfied him, why shouldn’t you care a bit about him being happy with you? My impression is that women simply don’t feel as much performance pressure as men, but that doesn’t mean they’re being compared less. What does accepting it really means? That you don’t feel competition?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 06:46 AM
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It’s not a matter of being insecure, it’s mostly a matter of feeling special. Being with a woman that has been with too many men means you’re just another in a long list of experiences, there is likely nothing special about her experience with you if she compares it with other men. You likely aren’t the best, or the dirtiest, or the hottest, or the biggest, or the kinkiest, and so on. What intrigues me is that the same applies to men when they think about women, but women seem to care less about…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:14 PM
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The point the manosphere make is to pick someone within your own league and not with too many options. It’s a common sense approach. Given this, the basic requirement of picking a man with good morals and integrity stands. You can definitely get together with a man that looks like a nice guy, but is actually someone that has never cheated just because he had no option to do so yet, and will likely go crazy and cheat if, for example, a younger hotter women hit on him at work for the first time in…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 09:37 PM
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Men who are the most vocal about their wife are those who cheat the most, nice or not. Besides you fail to realise being with a good man isn’t a guaranteed against cheating: it’s all a matter of circumstances and chances. Same with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:52 PM
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Men should NOT improve to become emotional tampons for women. They should stride to be the best version of themselves as part of their growth journey. Besides, women should do exactly the same… thinking only men need to improve is just internalised misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 07:29 PM
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Settling exists on a spectrum, men settle all the time as well and we often accept it and don’t complain about it. I think women have most times a toxic view of settling, more than men, they really see themselves being with a top tier guy even when they’re frankly average or even below average. It may be because the top tier guy will play with her if the setting is right, but will never commit. So when women talk about settling I am pretty cautious about the dynamic involved, most times women fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 06:28 PM
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Nothing serious, ya know… Genital mutilation routinely performed on men. No parental rights before birth, unequal parental rights after birth. Rape and abuse being ridiculed and ignored (zero funds go to male victims of abuse and rape). Low or non-existent rights in regards to paternity fraud, zero repercussions for women. Male mental health and suicide issues being routinely ignored in favour of women’s issues. Male cancer research being underfunded compared to female cancer research. I’m sure …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:35 PM
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Well perhaps because female sexuality is less in the open and more specific towards a restricted selection of men. Moreover, most men are into casual sex while women aren’t. I’m a man but I don’t see the appeal in casual sex other than stroking your ego. I think young men are generally plagued with culture telling them they’re worth less if they don’t fuck anything that moves, in reality men should be as selective as women. In relationships and safer spaces women are as horny as men, if not more…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 09:18 PM
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After 15+ years of good relationships with women I beg to claim otherwise. Women do have similar sex drives as men. Perhaps male teenagers have higher sex drives than female teenagers but if we’re talking in general, women want sex as much as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 09:05 PM
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Women do not have low sex drives, please stop repeating this nonsense. You need to be upfront and find a matching sex drive. If you fail to do so, she will likely feel not satisfied, rejected, and it may eventually lead to issues and cheating. Find someone that also has a low sex drive, and don’t assume anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:26 PM
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“She married him when he was nobody” “She had been married to him for 20 years” “She gave him three kids” If you don’t realise what’s wrong with these statements without me pointing it out then you’re not a good partner. In case you need a hint: They both were nobodies at the start, her marrying him wasn’t a favour she did to him. Being loyal and married to a man that supported you for 20 years is not a one sided deal, they both contributed to the relationship and if anything, she probably coast…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:08 PM
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This is the only rational response. Especially the part about “she stayed married for 20 years and gave him three kids” gives me chills down my spine. So now staying married is seen as an incredible feat that needs to be awarded 50 billions. Yes she had been at his side, but HE HAS BEEN AT HER SIDE, so what? And “she gave him kids”? No, they procreated together, as all couples do. I’m pretty sure the decision was mutual and she wanted the kids as well, so she did not “give” him anything, they ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:03 PM
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It stems from the anecdotal evidence of women often flocking to a few selected men in a group. Even if you ignore dating apps data, think about a group of 10 women and 10 men, just like in an HS class: most women end up desiring the very few men at the top of the desirability hierarchy, regardless of any other factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 05:33 AM
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Because if you think about it, both inventions drastically altered our societal structure and way of being. The atomic bomb has brought a period of long peace thanks to MAD theory. The female contraceptive has drastically altered mating dynamics, sex culture, women’s lives and access to jobs, and family culture. We have entire generations of women for the first time in history that can have sex with men without worrying about getting pregnant. The impact of such changes is incredible as our brai…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 11:25 PM
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People don’t want to be cheated on not only because of the fear of being left alone or due to comparisons. It’s also because the experience is deeply damaging because it’s a breach of a long standing trust. People who got cheated on will not be the same again. If a man takes the initiative and leaves his woman when there is no one else in the picture then it means the woman probably has made a bad job at being at his side. Or it simply means the relationship was exhausted, there are no longer co…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 11:21 PM
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Are you suggesting men shouldn’t be allowed to leave a woman? If a man isn’t satisfied with his woman then it makes sense for him to leave her. There’s plenty of women who give their men for granted and treat them badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 09:44 PM
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The two most disruptive technologies of the XXI century were the atomic bomb and women contraceptives.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:32 PM
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Excellent response. Men with a capitol M would never cheat, and it’s a man typing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 10:38 AM
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I think people should be the best version of themselves when dating, meaning being themselves with all their quirks and weird sides but also trying to be interesting overall. You’re also assuming only men display a different version of themselves when interacting with the opposite sex. How about women? Women literally fake their persona with makeup, and many women employ some form of “game” by avoiding showing the worst parts of their personality at the initial stages of dating. It’s very common…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:17 PM
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Most men past 25 realistically can’t expect to get a virgin, but they would be happy with a woman with qualities anyway. As a man I am tired about men having to justify their preferences. The bar is already super low for women, all we want is someone that will bring feminine positive energies in our lives and have not been ran though the whole town.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 07:19 AM
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They will never get it…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 09:25 PM
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Because I want as many reproductive rights as women. Birth control is a different issue, it’s not even the same topic. If you believe the issue is that “men then shouldn’t have sex if they don’t want a child”, I will simply reply with: “abortion shouldn’t be an option because if women don’t want a child then they should not have sex”.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 09:23 PM
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Cognitive dissonance in action. I don’t know how feminists not supporting men’s reproductive rights while demanding women have ALL the decision power can look themselves in the mirror.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 09:22 PM
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Women will never accept true equality. The angry answers on this sub to the mere possibility of men having some reproductive rights and agency in deciding to be a parent (like women have), are just disgusting. Women, if you support men not having a choice and women having have all the choice to abort or drop the child, then don’t complain about inequality or sexism ever again. Because you only like equality when it suits you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 08:00 PM
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OP, if you’re so irrationally mad at men’s dating preferences and jealous of younger women, I think it’s time to go to a therapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:17 PM
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Because it disqualify them, make them feel inferior, and it reminds them of the mistakes they did by wasting their youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 12:28 PM
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No, like a woman. Do you even know what a woman, and I mean a true respectful woman is?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:51 PM
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Sarah’s idea that you have to actively deny sex even when both want it, because she convinced herself that’s how she’s gonna find true love is unreasonable. It is a logical fallacy, there’s no deeply consequential argument for it, it just doesn’t make sense. Sex is not at the opposite of love. If anything her behaviour signifies that she has a wrong view of sex. It feels like she convinced herself of that nonsense and she’s imposing it on the relationship as an extreme position. That’s unreasona…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:49 PM
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In fact there is. Take 100 people and ask them who of the two is more unreasonable. 90 people out of 100 would say that not having sex before marriage is just dumb or wrong or manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 12:38 PM
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The comments mentioning they “can do what they want” are plain dumb. Of course she can withhold sex and he can leave. The point is… what’s reasonable? Is it reasonable to withhold sex even if both know it will be positive addition to their relationship after they get to know each other? Is it reasonable that she decides to not have sex before marriage as if there’s a written unbreakable rule, even if there’s no logical reason to deny sex after, let’s say, one month? It seems to me that Sarah in …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 10:40 AM
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We want a woman that is compassionate, kind, sweet, and knows how to take care of his man. Men deep down want a cheerleader, a supporter that is there for them during the good and the bad, that can receive our attention with grace and gratitude, and can give us small tokens of appreciation and love. A woman that knows how to be our safe harbour when we come back home from a bad day at work, give us a nice scratch on our back and can laugh at a misfortune with us. There are plenty of things a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 10:52 PM
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Men simply can't rely on women for emotional support. I don't think they're fully capable of a deeper and engaging emotional support. When women here talk about "emotional labour" I just bust out laughing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 03:40 PM
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In my experience women aren't special at providing emotional support. I'd say men provide more emotional support compared to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 03:14 PM
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I’m not a woman but I try to reply anyway. Women in relationships provide comfort, femininity, sex, companionship, and care. Not much more than that, but if a woman is able to provide these, she’s already a good partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:58 PM
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By the looks of the mental gymnastics employed, some of the women here could go at the olympics.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 11:43 AM
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If you’re 6 feet 6 inches or above you can basically be a hobo and you’ll still slay. Cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 06:00 PM
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Are you a girl, right? Ok so imagine the hottest guy you know that you like. Imagine he comes up to you and tells you he wants you with desire. Wouldn’t you feel special? Wouldn’t you feel sexy? You would feel like a prize because you’re getting the attention of a man you admire and he wants to fuck you endlessly. Does this answer your question?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 01:15 PM
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Imagine being so sexy that men/women can’t control themselves and want to do the dirtiest stuff with you. It’s not rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 07:42 PM
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Some/most women want to be objectified by the right men because it makes them feel like a prize. Yes, even if they feel used like a toy. It’s a power trip to them; the power of receiving all the attentions from a male they perceive as high value.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 11:07 AM
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I clearly state that I want something long term, if they don’t say the same I pass. I want to evaluate the person before having sex, by date 3/4 you should already know who you are talking to. Applies to men and women. Then if I like her and she likes me back we usually both desire to test intimacy, it should come naturally… If I were only casual dating I would straight up ask for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 07:11 AM
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As a man I don’t seek casual sex and turned it down times and times before. When I meet someone now I like to know them before getting sexual, but I expect attraction to lead us go intimacy within a few dates. If you find the right person, the transition is genuine. If you’re just seeking casual sex then I doubt it’s easy to discern genuinely good partners from bad ones if you don’t give some time to get to know them before..
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 09:09 PM
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The question doesn’t have ground because one scenario is realistic while the other is impossible to comprehend fully.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 01:03 PM
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This already happens with men above 30. After around that age men start thinking more with their big head instead of the one between their pants. Women who had their dating life based solely on sexuality the get a big reality check. And that’s also why dating is more skewed towards men after 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 07:40 PM
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Junk science. It would have made sense if they made women try to guess penis size based on the guys picture and personality traits. As it is, the study does not prove anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 10:12 AM
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Yes, I do prefer women younger than me and generally men prefer women a little younger than them. At 32, I prefer to date in the 22 to 28 range. if I had to pick ONLY between a girl aged 20 and a woman aged 36+, I would pick the young 20 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 06:38 AM
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I think your point makes sense for most people. Maybe this applies to women more than men, I'm in my early 30s and the power balance between the sexes inverts after about 30, meaning that single men in their early 30s have much more leverage than women. The reverse is usually true for younger people: women have a little more leverage in the dating market when they are under 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 08:05 PM
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Your point about falling in love within a certain timeframe is absolutely correct and perfectly implement within my argument from my previous post. Not only you have a limited number of people you can truly love, but it’s also a matter of age. Totally agree. Your capacity to love need to be protected, you can’t just waste it away on 100 random people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 06:10 PM
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I think there’s some truth into what you are saying, and remember it applies to women as well. If a woman can’t distinguish between a fuckboy from a good guy and complains about the first using her, she’s likely on the spectrum or simply dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:31 PM
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Avoid men who compliment you without you providing/showing real values (being pretty is not a value) Avoid men who want to sleep with you immediately Avoid men without a history of stable LTR (not a requirement for younger men) Avoid men who “love bomb” you and don’t have a healthy escalation of interest Avoid men who are too much into pickup/toxic/hyper masculine culture Avoid men who would sleep with any woman if possible Study typical borderline, narcissistic, and dark triad personalities and…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:04 PM
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It’s not pseudo science because I notice it personally as well. I notice it on other people and myself included, as a 30 something man. Nobody likes to admit it but it’s true in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 07:13 AM
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The answer to your question is simple. You retain your ability to fall in love if you guard it, meaning you don’t experience too many encounters and partners as you age. With every new person a tiny bit of your ability to pair bond gets depletes. No, it’s not a 100% accurate assessment but it gives you the gist of it. The 10th person you fall in love will not look to you the same as the 2nd. You will still love her or him but it will feel different, you’ll be less naive, more doubtful, more fear…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 06:33 AM
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I could date multiple women at the same time, lie, cheat, keep mistresses, and much more. Will I do it? Hell no. Why don’t I do it? Because I have morals, I have integrity, and most of all I don’t want to become an insensible asshole. Women sleeping with hundreds of men, sleeping around with frat boys, and becoming hyper sexual WILL absolutely suffer because of it even if all men adored them anyway. They will destroy their sense of pair bonding, they will take all joy and exclusivity out of inti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 07:52 PM
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No, they can’t because everyone knows that redpillers all come from the planet Araknakis where emotions had been outlawed a long time ago. Therefore they never experience human emotions like all the rest of us regularly do. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 03:51 PM
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Lol at “women molding their bodies into the perfect body”… the average woman body in the US is essentially whale-level.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 10:21 PM
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Women do it as a ritual or for expression, alongside the need to feel sexy for themselves and for men. But clearly women and men do embellish themselves because of mate selection. I mean that evolutionarily speaking women who embellish themselves likely got more offspring in the past compared to women who didn’t, therefore it’s a favourable trait. Men do like to workout mostly to feel good with themselves but they do so because it also give them sexual prowess. Men who absolutely hate working ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 06:31 AM
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This. This is how it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 07:38 AM
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Be careful to pass harsh judgements because the same principle applies to women as well. Unfit, crazy, and ugly women don’t reproduce often or at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 07:35 AM
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What I posted was a simple question, to open up a debate about “what constitutes a red flag in women regarding infidelity”. That was an educational question. How can that lead to a circlejerk?? I dare to say you didn’t like the question and that’s the only reason you removed it. You didn’t even let the thread take off.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:32 AM
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Why not if I may ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:39 AM
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Men like exclusivity. Is it so difficult to understand? If “wanting a sex object” is what you get from what I said then I don’t know how to put in any simpler terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:41 AM
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They’re scarce after about 20 years old. So men have to adapt. We want to make sure she experimented a bit already and she now knows what she wants. Knowing the sexual experiences of a woman also helps in picking the right one for you. Virginity is not seen as a value anymore, men aren’t fully aware of the differences regarding pair bonding, etc… In all honesty, I believe it’s mostly point 1 for a good portion of men. If men had a magic wand and could pick anything, they would likely prefer her …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 04:30 AM
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I learned about the “redpill” only in my later 20s but by then I already knew everything. I learned from experience, had years of relationships under my belt by then and had seen women show their nature all through my life. The good parts and the ugly sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 05:48 PM
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No, its not a requirement. But I believe all men want to feel special in the eyes of her, meaning we have to be desired passionately. Big plus if she had few or no experiences with casual sex, personally I don’t like that and I wish my girl had my same set of values.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 08:14 PM
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It’s just so much more than looks. Fertility, baggage, sexuality. I’ll explain the third which is the less obvious. Female’s sexual sphere is much more about the mental than the physical (he is dominant, he is experienced, he knows what to do…). Male sexual sphere is much more about the physical and geared towards youthfulness. Given what I wrote above, its just natural than older men seek younger women. If they can afford it, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 04:13 PM
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You’re wrong on looks. The main points of the wall are female fertility and baggage.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 03:58 PM
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The trick is to escalate niceness along with closeness. As a man I’m nicer to my girlfriend now than I’ve been when I first met her. Attention and effort from a man are to be provided when you know the person and value is present… don’t be overly nice with women you don’t even know. I love when I am sweet and caring with my girl. And I love when she makes me feel loved and special. She loves when she’s needed, I love it when she needs me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 11:56 AM
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Yes but the mask will fall off pretty early on. It’s not like a fuckboy is going to appear and truly behave like a good kind-heated, long term kind-of-guy. Within three dates you should already have an idea of who you are dealing with, first dates are meant to pick up on the other person’s character. If you miss the guy is a player that speaks more about you being naive or self-deceptive than him being deceptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 12:22 AM
1

Women understand as well, they just pretend they were “used” when in reality they just wanted to enjoy the ride until it lasted.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 01:37 PM
25

Everything you said about men in this post is incorrect and I’m a man. For example, someone like me that seeks a girl for a relationship on a dating app (among other places) should be an impossibility according to your post. Also teaching women to wait one month to have sex with the guy is shitty advice as well. It’s just a stupid arbitrary timeline that would make any true passionate new relationship feel like a job applying process. I can personally tell in 2 min if a man is a fuckboy or a ser…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 12:05 PM
0

If she’s a true friend, I would not want to sleep with her. She would be a friend for a reason, and sexual companionship would not be one of them. If she was a “friend” where we’re both attracted to each other then I would consider it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 04:05 PM
1

Men do the same but they’re not complaining about it. I know more women who are really messy compared to how many men are messy and unclean.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 08:12 PM
2

Only insecure trashy women need to seek external attention and validation when they are in a relationship. Clubs are a grey area because it’s essentially a pickup arena. Some women might want to go there with their BF to “show him off” to other women. But then again, I think that if you want to simply hang out with your friends and have fun, there are 100 better places.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 07:46 AM
2

Your point is moot because nature has no morality or higher purpose. Either you reproduce or your don’t. Us being here means a multi billion years old chain of organisms reproduced to get us here, and it doesn’t matter why or how. We exist, therefore we won. You’re attaching a human moral construct; “should” or “should not” to something that is outside of human judgement. Nature just does not care about your moralistic conjectures. If an incel finds ways to reproduce without having sex with a wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 10:15 PM
1

Maybe only 5/10% of all women in a defined age range are really hot. And that’s being super generous.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 12:01 PM
1

Male. B and E.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 10:35 PM
1

Take looking for a new car as an analogy. Physical attraction is like seeking a car that looks decent and you’ll be proud of driving down the street. A good personality and intelligence is everything else: good mechanics and performances. Would you buy a literal shitcar from the soviet era, even if it took you to destination anyway? No. And so, in the same way you may not end up with a Lamborghini but at least you want a car that looks good. You wouldn’t pick a car assembled with random pieces f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:19 PM
-1

Historically the paternity of a child was guaranteed by strict social rules - the bride living with the husband’s family 24/7 for example. Nowadays with how easy it is to cheat behind someone’s back it is only reasonable to double check when signing up for taking care for a kid for life….
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 09:55 AM
0

Men who desire kids will answer youth. Men who don’t care right now about kids, will take the hot 35 years old. For me? Youth hands down. Women over 35 are a ticking time bomb, beautiful or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 02:01 AM
3

Men have better and easier dating lives after 25/30. You’re just too young or downright ugly to know this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 02:34 PM
3

That’s what I do: OLD and direct approach. I got no time to waste. If your life is already complete, there’s nothing wrong in my opinion to resort to OLD or by asking out people in your circle. Straight to the point. The “run around in circles” advices are usually aimed at socially awkward young people who would benefit from hobbies and more social interactions regardless of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 03:59 AM
12

It’s the same for men. Y’all just date emotionally broken fuckboys.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 11:09 PM
1

You posted this three times already.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 03:18 PM
4

It is rough because it assumes that these women will be in LTRs most of their adult life. Like it should be. A 40 years old woman can sleep with 13 guys and still be considered not promiscuous based on my calculation. But those 13 can be 11 randoms when she was single in her 20s and 2 for the past LTRs. It’s definitely a conservative approach but I thought they asked for a serious answer… if you have to excessively bend the rules to adapt to the circumstances then these rules are worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 02:26 PM
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Do you remember the perfect age gap is the man’s age divided by 2 plus 7? Well, for notch counts it’s the woman’s age divided by 2 minus 7. So a 20 years old girl shouldn’t have slept with more than 3 guys to not be defined promiscuous. For a woman 30 years old, it’s 8 people. And so on. Yes, most women are promiscuous nowadays… but I would give it a pass if it’s mostly with people she’s been in relationships with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 12:58 PM
2

Intimacy and closeness with a woman I appreciate and love is for me a beautiful part of life. The feeling of wanting to be a team and build a future family together is something that can’t be fulfilled in any other way. I like to be romantic for a special person. When you really like someone you want to spend time with them, even just hugging and looking at each other. You want to be special to them and you enjoy seeing them making you feel special. Sex with someone you feel connected to is 10x …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 11:12 AM
2

Nobody attacks ugly or promiscuous women. Men simply dislike them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 10:53 AM
4

The root causes are to find in the bottomless pit of despair and mental illness that is her mind. But in the end, these people are garbage, and garbage belongs to the dumpster.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 12:03 PM
2

Some experience is better than none. Of course you may not want women who had TOO MUCH experience to the point of being de-sensitised to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 07:06 AM
3

I discovered the definition of PinkPill a minute ago. The idea that physical beauty is essential to attracting high quality guys is not wrong, but women who focus exclusively on looks and forget all the rest end up being miserable and make the men they’re with also miserable. You can’t turn a Betty into a Stacy but you can definitely dress up a Betty to look hot and feminine; to the point of attracting better males. But if you really want to keep these men you attract around, then you need to al…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 06:51 AM
0

It’s rather simple, men want financially literate women that do have a job but don’t prioritise their careers over family or that they think they’re superior just because they are professionals.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 11:57 AM
1

I’ll try to explain it. These men don’t want women to sleep around indiscriminately and with many guys, but at the same time they wish women were sexually active and unhinged with the men they really like. Basically a woman should have a good sense of who’s the right fit for her, which also means weeding out fuckboys and men above her league, while giving a chance to men she could really pair bond long term. But when Jimmy from accounting has proven his worth on three dates and showed his genuin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 08:37 AM
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It does. Never get in with women who think like what is described in this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 06:42 AM
0

In short, men with options. Slightly longer: I mean men with experience, that take care of their bodies, know what they want, are assertive and engaged in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 06:12 PM
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Damn woman, you worded it 10 times better than I ever could. Post saved.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 02:50 PM
3

Make infertility is a gargantuan issue that’s being ignored by everyone. Reason being, those who control us don’t care about it since it doesn’t affect their plans and perhaps is even beneficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 01:14 PM
1

I think it’s common if you include women who go out with men thinking “I’m not that interested in this guy but I give him a chance; after all I get a free meals even if I won’t see him again”.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 11:25 AM
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Healthy men have as high standards as average women in terms of physical attractiveness. I don’t think women should lower their standards, men should have higher standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 09:13 AM
3

20s or 30s all women respond well to quality. A man should incorporate some alpha traits along with beta traits, be jacked, cool, and also caring and sweet. Just like a quality woman should be a loyal girlfriend and yet be a freak in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 08:16 AM
0

That’s exactly my point. I’m not saying women should sleep early with the man, I’m saying they should be consistent. Either you sleep early with all the men you really like, or you wait a certain amount of time with all of them. I, like most men, don’t mind waiting if you show us that’s how you always dealt with men. The point is simple: no one wants to wait when somebody else didn’t before, because it shows a fundamental change in treatment depending on the person!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 03:02 PM
1

Sure, like a man wouldn’t wait months for sex. But still, you would be compelled to compare with whom came before you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 02:59 PM
2

Oh yes it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 02:58 PM
2

It never happened to me to wait for sex so it’s not my case. Also, as a man I don’t want to sleep on a first date anyway. It’s too early.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 10:28 AM
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If a woman has slept on a first date, at a party, etc… I’m okay to wait until date 2 or 3 if the settings are a bit different. I wouldn’t want myself to sleep on a first date anyway. But if I find out other men consistently got her immediately and I had to wait for 5,6,7 dates then it means she’s not much into having sex with me in particular… yeah I’m bailing. Men want to feel special. What if you found out the man you’re seeing for many months and doesn’t yet want to be committed to you, hasn’…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 10:25 AM
1

You’re alluding to a type of relationship no man wants to be in. One where the woman finds you sub-par in attractiveness and she’s with you for other reasons. Good way to end up feeling like sh*t and with a dead bedroom. I want to be perceived as hot by my woman, I want her to desire me sexually, to love me in the bedroom and out of it. Nothing less.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 10:18 AM
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Men want to feel special, not second place. If she put out on the first date before, that’s when they want to get it as well. More or less. Imagine going out with a guy for a year and him refusing to be in a committed relationship, but all his exes got commitment after a month or two. You would feel like sh*t. As a man I don’t want to sleep on a first date, the timeframe is not important but the standard you set is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 10:15 AM
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Men just want to feel special, how can’t women get it? Imagine you had been going out with a man for 7 months and still doesn’t want to be in a committed relationship with you, but with all his exes he was in a relationship within one month. How the hell would you feel? Yeah you would feel like a man that has to wait when everybody else had their turn the first night.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 10:07 AM
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Yes, which means for a set of guys she felt horny and ready to the point of risking it right then and there; and for the other guy she waits and waits because there’s less instinct involved - aka less pure attraction. Nobody wants to be second place when it comes to pure raw attraction. The man wants to know he’s desired to the point she’s losing herself into him, without much thought. Like she did with other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 02:56 AM
1

If the differences are minor (another dude got her the first night because she was drunk), and the “relationship guy” gets access to sex at a second or third date; then that’s reasonable. If a woman make a man wait 10 dates when she used to have sex at a first encounter consistently… then run away. It would mean she doesn’t feel desire for the relationship guy. Otherwise she wouldn’t she waited SO long to have sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 02:55 AM
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This is a really mature way to look at it, but you’re forgetting that in any man there’s a warrior / conqueror that wants to feel like he’s the king of his realm. I know it’s a shitty and silly image but especially men that actually put efforts into their persona and physique, and perhaps struggled in the past with women (most men), need to feel desired and lusted over by the woman they like and end up with. And it may be true and accepted that we aren’t the hottest thing our girl ever saw or ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 02:49 AM
12

The bar on the floor means that the small minority of men they are actually attracted to just need to be acting like normal decent human beings and they would be happy with them. Of course, the issue being that those pre-selected men already possess the beauty, charisma, personality, and status they deem “worthy”, a mix of qualities that sometimes are even getting in the way of these men acting like normal caring people with women. They got so many dating options that these men use and abuse wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 02:41 AM
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Based reply 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 08:41 AM
3

I don’t think you should be kind and gentle with a woman you don’t know well. I think you should be respectful and open up with chivalry only for women who can really appreciate it. As a man I only want to date women who can take my kindness and sweetness as a icing on the cake and not as a turnoff. I could not be with a woman that was so idiotic to see that as a turn off. No woman is going to choose you because you’re a “good guy”, attraction isn’t based on that. But it may be what helps you ke…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 10:07 PM
8

Women are much much more talkative about their men with friends. Yea, I mean the sex stuff in particular…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 09:17 PM
1

Absolutely not. The right guy will get preferred treatments, even in a relationship. The good news is that you can be that attractive dude if you choose a woman right for you, meaning a woman that will appreciate who you are and what you can bring to the table, look wise and not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 08:12 PM
1

Her own past, of course
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 06:21 AM
1

Tell me more. Does it happen also when you fall in love? What lies are we talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 04:29 PM
2

Well, so you’re the picture of hedonism and the absence of any morality then. You outright lie to people intimate to you. I bet you’re extremely good looking and still, I wouldn’t want to sleep with you regardless… I hope you’re not getting offended, I’m just showing to you that for me there’s more than pure superficial hedonism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 04:29 PM
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It’s childish in my view to discount these discussions. I don’t ask direct questions with women but they end up telling me most of their past anyway, it’s natural and healthy. It’s not creepy because the past defines us. If I had been in prison or killed, I may not tell it out right but it will eventually come up in talks with a woman I love. And it would be right she would know about that, because things like that would define me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:47 PM
4

That’s not an answer…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:44 PM
5

So not only you omit having had an extensive sex life before meeting them, you even lie about having been married? Why would you lie so deeply with men you’re supposed to love?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:43 PM
1

But that’s the point of my question isn’t it? Do women lie to themselves or others? In my view they clearly do, and it’s understandable under many point of views. What I hope is that the men they are with are still at the same level as their absolute bests, more or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 02:33 PM
2

Your point is valid but my premise still stand. Maybe they had someone else they had mind blowing sex with, without considering metric performance like size or length or variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 02:31 PM
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What that agenda would be?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 02:13 PM
2

All amazing points. I feel like my experience with women is similar, you won’t likely find someone who is the absolute best in everything because everyone is different. Some women are better with oral, some with sex, etc… and it’s more exciting this way. However… I think there is something you can call compatibility in bed. But like you said, people often filter out people they don’t feel 100% happy to begin with, so it’s not an issue in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:22 PM
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Well, if that’s true I’m happy for you two! Personally I think some women convince themselves their current man is the best. Most times it is true, sometimes they happily think it’s the best because it’s more romantic and sweeter to see it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:19 PM
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Doesn’t it also show you’re insecure about your past?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:17 PM
8

Fair point, however I wonder how men take it if they hear from a woman they love that “I’m honest, you’re good but not the best I’ve ever had”.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:00 PM
4

But isn’t that the point of the post? You told him he’s the best you ever had… that’s what men want to hear. But is he really? You don’t have to tell me, it is rethorical. Would you lie to him? What if he’s top 3, would you tell him “you’re one of the best but not the best”, or lie a little?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 11:59 AM
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I feel very comfortable with myself and the set I got at birth, but even then I’d prefer not imagining a woman I love getting rammed by someone with a bigger tool. Definitely touchy subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 11:56 AM
1

If I were a woman I would never consider sex work unless I were in life-death situation. Sex and intimacy are a part of life that belong close to our hearts and I would never give it away to random people for money. I believe that giving love away for money or sleeping with too many random people anyway will eventually fuck you up mentally, man or woman. As a man I could have done sex work already if I didn’t believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 07:07 AM
5

Other women are dragging you down. No doubt about it. It is also the realisation that if girls, let’s say from 18, start having sex and sleep with 1 guy a year on average, then you should assume a woman aged 28 has slept with around 10 guys. I think that even for women who had long lasting relationship, having a number around 10 by the time they’re 30 is not anomalous, considering some women are in triple digits by then. The number you should be on is the smallest you need to find deep true love…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 07:25 PM
2

This is how it should always be. Sex is intimate and important, shouldn’t be done with anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 04:09 AM
3

I’m 32. I would date a woman at or over my age only under special circumstances - honestly only if she was absolutely perfect for me, rich, or something like that. I seek to date women a few years younger because it is healthier. You get more time to know each other without the pressure for marriage or kids right away. Older women are short on time to have kids and often rush things, you don’t want to risk being in a relationship where she chose you because she’s desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 11:49 PM
1

I think that everyone’s notch count should be “as low as possible in order to find true love”. In other words, you should be as promiscuous as it’s necessary to find the right person. Not less and not above that. It can’t be zero and maybe not even 1. It can be 2, 5, 10, but clearly should not be 30 or 100. Anything lower or higher than that is unacceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 03:17 PM
1

I don’t think it’s realistic for men to wait for a woman that has burning desire for them. It’s rare and doesn’t happen to most men. But it’s not true it can’t happen. It happened to me, sometimes a woman meets you at the right time and right place and wants you almost immediately. She sees you and something clicks… she wants you. In 95% of cases it takes time to know each other and build up burning desire. And to be honest, it applies to men as well. Personally I don’t feel burning desire unles…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 10:13 AM
1

Men’s orgasms can feel like a simple plain and boring “release” OR can feel like a true orgasm where every fiber of your body goes crazy in pleasure and you feel in heaven. Just because a man ejaculate it doesn’t mean he had a good experience. In my personal experience I would say having a woman “fully orgasm” is just as hard as making a man “fully orgasm” Male sexual pleasure is less understood and talked about than women’s. I’m sorry to say it but it seems like you don’t even understand how to…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 11:57 PM
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Women do have burning desires, absolutely. If not immediately after they see a man, maybe after 30 min they’ve spent time with him. Stop spreading cheap self-convincing lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 11:46 PM
2

For your face and image, makeup and feminine clothes will do the trick. For your body, strict diet and exercise, you need to be thin and in shape. Actively learn and practice flirting with men you like but aren’t way above your league. Stop being passive, if a man is catching your attention give him your full attention. Be proactive, don’t wait for men to magically fall on you: join a club or gym, be more social, talk to men in social settings, etc. Be caring, compassionate, vulnerable, while al…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 11:35 PM
2

The risk of bad sex is lower for men? As a man I disagree, or rather… good sex is hard to come by, especially if you have standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 08:38 PM
3

I love women the way they are, I don’t need a man with a vagina, I need and want a partner with feminine energy and with a feminine mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:16 AM
2

If she’s not a virgin, I’d say typically it becomes natural to have sex within 5-8 encounters or dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 10:12 AM
2

It is always like that in life, especially for people who won’t settle for trash. The diamonds in the rough make the whole experience worth it, in my view.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:29 AM
1

As a man I say this is garbage, basically a sure way to endless drama. You want to date women who put as much effort and emotional capital as you, and that won’t make you feel inadequate if you open emotionally to them. And get out of here with that “men have less power” stance. Be a man with options and you won’t have this issue. Personally, in my relationship the other side is usually the one fearing for competition the most. If you feel like you’re investing emotional capital and she does not…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:53 AM
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Invest time, attention, and trust. Not money. Out of all the women I’ve been on a date with, I always want to see those who are willing to share the bill. Those who let me pay usually don’t even thank you after, give it for granted, or are even entitled about it. Do you think it’s a coincidence? Women who let the man pay for the date are usually the same women you don’t want to date anyway. The woman I’m seeing now beat me at the cashier on our first date, and we paid one turn each since then. N…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 10:02 PM
2

Hard no from me. I’m either emotionally connected with someone or free to explore, I can’t imagine being seriously involved with a woman and then proceed to open the relationship. I need exclusivity. Otherwise I’ll just be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 05:03 PM
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Raising your standards means doing it for yourself as well. Take care of yourself and your appearances, be who you’re meant to be, conquer your fears, and then expect a woman of quality to match yours. Easier said than done, but this is the only way…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:48 AM
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This applied in 2008, now most people try online dating once in a while. I’ve personally met good, kind-heated and well balanced women on the apps. Most people are garbage anyway, you simply need to raise your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 09:01 PM
1

This whole idea that men get with a woman only for a steady supply of sex still confuses me. And I’m a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 08:15 PM
1

Women’s sexuality and attraction to men is simply more nuanced and difficult to grasp for the average guy. A woman that wants to attract a man just has to look pretty and not be crazy. A man that wants to be seen as attractive has to be relatively hot but also become an interesting person, confident and able to give out a good image of himself and what he stands for. A man has to build up complicity and a connection in order to stimulate a woman the same way a young man gets stimulated by lookin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 04:44 PM
1

The problem is how you define being nice. I am a nice person and women like me even more for it. But being nice to me doesn’t mean being a pushover. I don’t do to others what I wouldn’t like being done to me, I sometimes do nice things to other people, anyone, not because I might get something in return, but because I enjoy leaving the world better than I found it. Being “nice” to a woman to me means being considerate, attentive, and give small tokens of compassion. But I’m no pushover, I am als…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 10:13 AM
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Because it’s not easier for them, if you account for the fact that for most women casual sex is meaningless if not repulsive. Same is valid for me, and should be valid for all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:22 PM
3

They unload hours of their drama without ever asking anything about yourself and your feelings. Expecting you to pay for dinners and meals, often without being grateful. Expecting you to chase them, like they’re something to be conquered and you have to prove your worth. No honey, it’s a two way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 06:15 AM
1

I’m a man too and I’m as far from a virgin as you can get. I’ve never had sex with a woman with which I didn’t have an emotional connection to, except for maybe one (and it felt horrible). From what I can tell, men want emotional connections as well as women do, however I think a greater proportion of men would somewhat enjoy a casual encounter compared to the same proportion of women that would. For me sex is important but I don’t see the point in having sex with strangers, but some younger men…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 05:09 PM
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What you said is absolutely correct. The question is… how do I put myself in settings in which I interact with more women?? You need quality and quantity for it to work… I just moved to a new city and I struggle to find settings in which I can meet high quality women. Yoga classes? Churches? Help me here!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:46 PM
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Some of the things you have said are true, however, as a 32 years old man I have come to realise the big picture is different from how you paint it here. The fact about sex is that while women can get it easier than men, they also incur in more emotional and physical risks. Plus, unlike young horny men, women generally don’t crave sex the same way men do - they do like sex but they want quality, not quantity. To them good sex is sex with someone they have a connection to, someone they find attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:30 PM
2

What do men here mean when they say they are not selective? Men need to be selective as well, in my view. I am a man and I find myself to be fairly selective and I don’t see how it would be otherwise, unless you’re very young and inexperienced. A woman needs to stimulate me sexually, mentally, and spiritually; to really interest me. She needs to be a well rounded individual, preferably intelligent, smart, compassionate, loving, etc… and needs to share my goals in life (family the main one). Then…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 09:32 AM
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Personally, I don’t see much worth in seeking casual sex. It feels like a huge waste of time and effort. I want someone that match me well on multiple levels, and that goes beyond superficial physical interactions. It may be just me, but I believe it applies to most people… pretty, ugly, or in between. I understand when you’re 20 doing casual sex is exciting because everything is new, but it gets boring and hollow VERY fast. Unfortunately true satisfaction and intimacy requires much more than a …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 11:10 PM
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This is the most accurate reply. When you’re 20 you get excited getting new girls, if you can. When you’re a bit older it gets boring, and fast. I’d say it might even feel disgusting and hollow, because even before you part ways it already feels like a pointless interaction. That’s my view, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 10:58 PM
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The cognitive dissonance is deafening. Most women are around average just like most men are around average. You’re not dating down sweetie by going with average men, you’re getting exactly what you deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 12:53 PM
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Maybe not necessarily but I don’t think we can say that hotness doesn’t play a role in how excited people are when they date. If i date a hot woman I’m gonna be more excited than if she was average or below. Even if she’s not my type or she’s not exciting. That means I would prefer her to be my type and interesting, but if she isn’t it’s better if she’s at least hot. I think women reason the same way when they have to make a choice with whom to sleep with. Plus there’s a big component of “maybe …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 10:23 AM
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Alright but that’s just confirmation bias. You’re essentially confirming my theory. You wouldn’t even have sex with a man unless he is super exciting.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 09:35 AM
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Well thanks for your input. So you’re saying that how mentally stimulating a man is does not influence your excitement during sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 08:25 AM
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Well, does it really matter? The guy got laid anyway, and if he’s not stupid he will eventually learn a thing or two about how to please women. I’m simply trying to justify what we observe with women. If a guy is hot he is gonna have much more casual sex and more chances at relationships. And I will reiterate that he probably make women come more just because he is good looking and women feel more excited when they land him. If you take two identical guys on every aspect except hotness, who’s go…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 08:05 AM
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Because you don’t know if he’s good or bad in bed beforehand. So I’d bet women would pick hot guys exclusively because EVEN IF he’s bad in bed they can always say “ew at least he was hot”.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 07:55 AM
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Yes but do you go out with a man who’s not exciting or conventionally attractive thinking “he’s not that good looking but I bet he knows how to make me come?”. I’d say most women go with the hottest guys because even if they aren’t that good in bed, these women can get excited at the idea they got in bed with a hot guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 07:05 AM
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I will dare to say most women need a greater proportion of mental stimulation to get off, especially during a causal encounter. Which means, if he’s not super hot or not super exciting in the mind of the woman, he won’t be able to make her orgasms even if you know “all the tricks”. Women seem to be excited at the idea that the guy is hot, or “dangerous”, or someone with high social proof… I suspect their orgasms are linked to the excitement in their mind more than the actual ability of the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 10:19 PM
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As a man I might be a rare breed, but I’m very picky. Physically I have my preferences but I don’t base my dating decisions only on that… there are so many things a woman should have and others she shouldn’t have to grab my interest. I’d like to date someone who is intellectually mature, caring, and sensitive. I’d like her to be feminine and sweet. She should know when to pick a fight and know how to discuss and revolve conflicts in a constructive way. I don’t want to date women who are desperat…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:15 PM
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Approaching women rarely makes sense unless she’s giving you signals. Nowadays most couple meet online so cold approaching and seeking random women is definitely on the decline anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 08:50 AM
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If the man got everything he wanted out of his family, and by that I mean absolute certainty of authority and respect; then it may even be a reasonable deal to make. The problem is that most men are used and abused indirectly but they will never get the protection from the law in case something goes wrong. They’ll be the ones paying the price if something goes wrong and his malady wants to go bang Chad. They get the responsibilities with little to zero rights. That is where the real issue lies.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/11/21 08:30 PM
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The part that surprises me is that she look very pretty, either that Chad was really top notch, or she’s really insufferable.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/07/21 05:02 AM
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Excellent find, thanks for sharing this. Looking back, I can see how these stages are pretty accurate. Moreover, I agree with your premise that if men (and women) don’t correctly experience and process any of these stages they will be stunted for life. I’ve been in LTRs ever since I was about 18, now that I am 31 I am facing the challenge of creating a family and leaving something behind. I can’t imagine how my mindset will be if I never had positive interactions with women all this time. I read…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 05:57 AM
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I don't know about each man specifically, but society is certainly more empathetic towards women than men. Women's issues are on the front page and taken seriously. Men's issues and needs are mostly ignored. One big reason WHY you personally should be more aware of men's issues and perspective is that it would make you a better partner. Which means, you will probably be able to better connect with the men you want in your life. I think right now most women in the wester nations are so overly sel…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:21 AM
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I love how women in the comments are trying to shame men who try to debate them on dating dynamics. Personally, I don't care much about dating dynamics, in the sense that I understand them and I know I have to accept them. I am of course referring to stuff such as 80/20 rule. What I usually discuss about with women here revolves about how women see men. I am honestly tired of women having zero idea of men's issues and struggles; I would simply be happy if women were more aware of how men are tre…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 10:09 AM
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That’s the most efficient way to look undesiderable and desperate. No wonder you don’t get any second dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 05:09 AM
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You can be happy as a gibbon and dumb as a jellyfish, while you’re life is in ruins. Women want winners, who have already won or in the process of winning at life. People who win are usually more positive than people who failed or are failing. Winning at life = more endogenous serotonine = appearing happier
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 07:31 PM
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Oh yes, tell me more how men desperately want to get married again.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 07:28 PM
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50/50 is default nowadays. Or should be. Thanks for being a woman that doesn’t expect your date partner to pay for the privilege of your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 05:49 PM
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The moment she start reminiscing about an ex or a past sexual partner is the moment she’s out of the door. No exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 04:48 PM
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I don't have respect for men that raise someone's else child. Unless it is an orphan and it has been raised since he or she was very little, maybe.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/07/21 11:19 PM
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Oh you forgot the “incel” and “small dicked” denomination. Jesus Christ, are people here only completely retarded teenagers?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 02:32 PM
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Lmao this genuinely made me laugh. As if women wouldn’t just still select the top men from whatever group they’re presented with. If all men were good looking as Hollywood stars and were super rich, women would still chase only the top of the top guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 02:28 PM
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Prenups aren’t silver bullets. They still have to contain many rights to be granted to the lesser income partner, usually the woman. Simply don’t marry. Find a woman that will be with you even without the coercive nature of marriage, yes I know it is hard but you HAVE to do it. The other option is letting the state decide your sentimental and financial life.
/r/MGTOW210/07/21 09:10 AM
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Agreed, with an important clarification. It is true that the average man doesn’t provide anything irreplaceable to the average woman, but the opposite is also true. Moreover, men as a group are still those who maintain and protect society as we know it today. Many privileges that women have gained came from the sweat and blood of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 06:10 PM
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Based and true.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 04:31 AM
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No one gives adoration to single farhers. But if you want an answer, it may be because 80% of separations are initiated by the woman. Plus women have more agency than men over having kids or not. A single woman is more likely to be someone who deliberately made bad decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 08:10 AM
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Billionaires aren't gods on Earth. Most of them, especially those who got rich quick, are very intelligent bit narrow minded people. Just because they're exceptional in a tech field it doesn't necessarily mean they make perfect choices elsewhere in their lives. Most men marry due to social conditioning, it is as simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 04:46 PM
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If you see zero benefits and only risks, then simply put you are not a critical thinker. There might be some benefits based on circumstances, but generally it is actually the opposite of what you wrote. If you marry, it means you're not a critical thinker. Why are the most powerful, successful men on planet earth with limitless options virtually all married? Do you think you're more redpilled than a fucking billionaire? lol please. Lmaoooooo because Bezos and Gates would agree with you after hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 09:25 AM
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If you actually cared to research satisfaction rates in marriages you'll find that happy marriages are "one in a thousand" type of situations. People who say things like this are either unobservant or idiots. Yes but everyone makes mistakes, especially when you are in love, young, unexperienced, etc... Over the span of 10, 20, 30 years people don't radically change but their needs, wants, and priorities do. Often in ways you can't predict with accuracy. You're being incredibly naive to try to co…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 06:57 AM
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And how many marriages that don't end in divorce are actually functional and healthy? Moreover I think you're overestimating the agency people have in order to decrease their chances of getting into a failed marriage. Some people change for the worst in marriages in ways you could not predict. Most of this is outside of your control.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 05:57 AM
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Agree 100%. Men need to have higher standards, in general. The only thing I'd like to add is that physical beauty shouldn't be the main trait to filter out women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 06:26 PM
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Men should abuse this. The only way to have a unjust law canceled is to abuse it.
/r/MGTOW221/06/21 11:51 AM
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Yeah, no similarities with current immigration influxes in Western countries, right? /s
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 02:42 PM
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No. First of all, most people aren't even aware of what we discuss here. Secondly, once this relatively short historical period of decadence passes, no one will even remember of the men/women debate of these times. Moreover, ugly unwanted or crazy men and women that don't engage with the opposing sex in a healthy way won't reproduce so all species tend to indirectly select against individuals that are hostile to the opposite sex. What you see today in regards to women's rights, destruction of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 07:03 AM
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If I were a woman I would probably be interested in knowing why so many men have decided to drop off from chasing women. Most women live in a bubble and have no idea of men's struggles. Not all women are horrible human beings. I still have the hope that some of them will be smart enough to realize it is also in their own best interest if laws and the culture aren't too heavily anti-male.
/r/MGTOW216/06/21 07:27 PM
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Most essential jobs are covered by men. Maybe while you're trying to be strong and independent don't forget comfy quota office jobs are the first to go in an emergency.
/r/MGTOW215/06/21 10:55 AM
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Men shouldn't date women below their social status. Even if the woman has less money, at least she needs to come from a comparatively wealthy family.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 06:35 PM
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That's the only reasonable explanation. But if your man faps so often that he doesn't have or reserve love for you, then I think porn isn't the problem there... I would never empty myself knowing my partner is waiting for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 03:19 PM
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I see a similar trend with women claiming porn destroys relationship. Porn addiction is an issue for some men, and I can agree it may lead to problems with partners, but these women simply refuse to date anyone that is even remotely aware of porn. Why? Because they don't want to keep up with the standards that porn brings. They want their men to be sexually repressed and easy to please. It would be like men saying women shouldn't watch romantic comedies so that they don't get ideas about men hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 06:28 AM
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I have not and will never argue that men’s higher suicide rate is a good thing. It is a sign men need better mental healthcare in general, and specifically following a divorce. However, it is not a sign that women have it great after divorce, as you are arguing. Not necessarily, but it's a sign men's issues are largely ignored as a society. I have looked up on Google the gender differences between women and men after divorce. I've found an endless list of articles listing the negatives for women…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 08:06 AM
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This 100%, sex is cheap... human connections are at an all time low.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 07:12 AM
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The audacity of writing a message to a man you just met and say "I thought I'd give you a chance". Can you at least test the waters first before embarrassing you, lady?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/06/21 07:07 AM
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I don't disprove it, in fact I think men also postpone having kids too much, but I also know they do that because they're rightfully scared by anti-male family courts. Both men and women are under incredible pressures to not reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 06:00 PM
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This notion you have that only men are damaged in divorce is also completely incorrect. And I know that because men are actually 25% more likely than women to remarry after divorce. And likewise, the long-term outcomes after divorce favor men: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5992251/ But you will ignore this, and claim it’s all part of some conspiracy… which is certainly a convenient way to argue away any evidence you don’t like. But I don’t respect it. From the study: My analysis w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 02:41 PM
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Yes, shitty lawyers exist. And shitty lawyers who provably suggest illegal tactics (lying under oath is illegal) are disbarred if you can prove it. The father can also fight back against slander and false allegations. This is how the legal system works: it is antagonistic, and you have to fight back, instead of rolling over and being like “well, my ex wife said something false in court, so I guess I should just give up”. Did you know sometimes innocent people go to jail? And again, did you also …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 10:51 PM
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I do not trust you. You have given me direct reasons not to trust your statements, because you have presented actual provable falsehoods as fact. I would require concrete proof of this from a reliable source. I’m certainly not just gonna take your word for it. (Edit: Oh wait, shit, I just realized you might be referencing some anti-Semitic Q-anon insanity here… if so, then you’re a gullible fool for buying into that crap). I won't further comment on this. I would require concrete proof of this f…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 04:09 PM
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This is where we disagree. I don’t think there is a conscious effort to try to convince women not to have kids. I think the economic and social realities are what drive people and the media into devaluing childbearing and childrearing. It’s not planned, it’s lots and lots of people individually reacting to the pressures of the modern world. It is both, but trust me on me saying there's a conscious effort. It is not his. It was theirs as a couple. That is what marriage means. Even for a stay at h…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 08:28 PM
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I’m not denying that lots of people feel this way. I’m denying that they feel that way because they were told to. Having kids is hard, and not economically rewarded or respected. Women can see that people in general, including men, do not respect motherhood. Under capitalism, money is the clearest sign of value, and by that measure, having children is not valued. So we agree, don't we? I am not telling you women don't have kids because "they're told so" but because our culture literally sh*t on …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 05:51 PM
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You still mistakenly seem to think that women are idiots who are only waiting until 30 to start looking for a man to date because they’re clueless nincompoops who were brainwashed… instead of people who, just like you, are responding to economic and personal circumstances. Women in particular are constantly told they’re getting too old and their eggs are drying up. The women who have kids after 30 already knew this at age 25, but decided to wait for actual reasons. And what will the outcome be? …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 03:19 PM
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Yes, the age of having a first child is delayed from historical norms, and the yes, total number of children born is much less, and yes, this I will have effects on how society works in the future. Then we agree on this. Well, once they learned it’s a lie, they stopped listening to all the other messages in anti-drug campaigns because they lost trust. Technically you may be correct, because you could in theory have everyone reproduce between 30 and 35 and things would not change much. But think …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 07:31 AM

If your point is based on incorrect information, then it’s not a good point. Being right is important. I'm tired of the circular logic. If 0 people in society A breed before 30, and a certain percentage of people breed before 30 in society B, what society do you think will have more children? Please don't try to find creative ways to disagree with me just for the sake of it. It is relevant because you are angry at women for making personal decisions you don’t like, even though you don’t care abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 10:32 PM

This is medically inaccurate. The health risks are considered heightened after 35, not 30. That's why I said "people thinking about having kids only after 30" means that some people will have kids at 30, some at 31, some at 32... etc... meaning most people have kids at later stages including past 35 and up to 40. Look up the actual medical facts instead of quoting manosphere “western women are evil” And the less energy and higher risk of birth defects parts apply to older fathers as well. So you…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 07:34 PM
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Just because people after 30 don't immediately become infertile, it doesn't mean it's okay for a whole generation of women to wait until 30 to think about having kids. People will still reproduce, but many won't be able to or will have only one child, statistically it will cause a ripple effect. It is still a catastrophe. Reproducing after 30 welcomes a lot of issues, higher health risks, less energies to properly manage children, and smaller families. If EVERYONE reproduces only after 30 you'll…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 05:54 PM
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Thats how western societies die.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 08:37 AM
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Most comments say that Gen Zs simply don't want kids now due to them being too young, overworked, sexless, depressed, socially isolated, and poor. What most of us don't understand is that there is a window of fertility until about 30 years old that, if lost, translate in an entire generation basically being partially unable to reproduce. If a very high proportion of people now in their 20s wait until 30-33 years old to have kids, that means most of them will have only one or none. We are already…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 05:57 AM
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It is somewhat beneficial for both sexes because it forces to evaluate a partner beside/before sex. If taken to extremes, like waiting until you get married, it would be a disaster for both sexes, especially for men. Waiting healthy amount of time before sleeping with a partner is healthy. Two weeks? Two months? It depends. But loking sex behind the entanglement of marriage would simply be abuse against men, without doubt would be abused for financial gains by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 11:14 AM
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I think you're heavily underestimating the consequences that this will have 10 - 50 - 100 years from now. You can't have a society composed of mostly perpetually single men and not pay consequences for it, sooner or later. Societal progress will halt. Violence may rise. Mental illness will explode.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 05:41 AM

A society like that wouldn't be as stable and as prosperous as the one we have right now. There would be too much unbalance and discontent, men will eventually rebel and/or demand change. It would be chaos.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 10:15 PM
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Thank you brother, men need to support and love each other. I wish you a happy weekend!
/r/MGTOW206/06/21 02:01 PM
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MGTOW is pointing the finger at the moon and people like this "Klavan" are looking at the finger and saying "Ah-ha, I see your finger!", completely missing the big picture. His argument is that MGTOWs are wrong about marriage because he thinks we complain about a lack of home-making, compassionate, and sweet women; which is essentially an argument so weak and stupid I question the good intentions behind the people making it. No, we don't complain about a lack of good women. Yes, good women aren'…
/r/MGTOW206/06/21 11:54 AM
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It's not arbitrary. It is a general rule in order to have a guidance on the most ideal age difference in relationships. Some examples of age couple differences according to the rule: 22 and 18 26 and 20 30 and 23 34 and 24 38 and 26 42 and 28 46 and 30
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 06:52 AM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 04:45 AM
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In practice they want a man that is a dangerous psychopath that will kill for her and keep her safe (while never harming her lol), or gives off the "vibes" that he is one and just has that special something that gives her sexual tingles............but also for that same man to be a sweet, gentle, caring, nurturing asexual father to her children. Now it may be obvious to you but these characteristics cannot exist in the same man. This is where we disagree. Why a man like that can't exist in your …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/06/21 12:12 PM
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They say the perfect age difference is half the man's age plus 7 years. Seem okay to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 12:02 PM
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There's a major point you're missing. Men and women develop roughly at the same rate up to about 8 - 11 years of age, after that women develop faster than men but reach their maturity before men. Women seem to stop their development a bit earlier than men, around 20-23 years of age. Men take longer to mature and grow up to about 25 - 26 years old. That already tells you everything you need to know about men and women, if you can read between the lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 12:01 PM
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What the hell does that mean in practice?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/06/21 11:50 AM
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I don't understand the exact lived experiences of these women. What should a man do to fall somehow into the category of "right amount of niceness, right amount of assertiveness"? It seems like they either date spineless and docile men, or they date asshole bastards. Are these men really how they depict them? Or are these women always finding the missing detail? Most regular men I know are somewhat assertive and manly, and yet pretty respectful, comunicative, and nice in general. Some of them ar…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/06/21 11:13 PM
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Education by itself is not the issue, the problem is the potential combination of education and a lack of critical thinking, curiosity, and humility that often these higher educated women have. I know this might be hard to some people to understand, but education does not automatically translate into intelligence, even considering that in general there's a correlation; and intelligence is far more important than education in most social context. Moreover, men who are successful and highly educat…
/r/MGTOW203/06/21 07:30 PM
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Heart warming story, especially the part where she's shunned by everyone for being a cheating cunt.
/r/MGTOW203/06/21 10:32 AM
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No one of them, because you're a man and a true man takes whatever he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 10:19 AM
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It's a good salary everywhere. The median income in the US is 32k, and the average is 63k (the super rich throw the average way off). From the link you provided the median income in the US is 43k, and the average 63k. But yeah, the basic concept doesn't change much. The magic number for women seems to be "six figures" - and you can find videos like this one where a woman (at 0:35) claims six figures is "average" According to this website $100k is the 84th percentile, which means only 16% of peop…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/06/21 09:41 AM
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What do you mean?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/06/21 03:03 PM
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Women are simply attracted to power. Men compete for power and women want the top of the crop...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/06/21 10:55 AM
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That's funny because 45k in my country is a very good salary, and I earn more than that. No it is just money. It is either has the ambition that has allowed them to become rich already or has the ambition that will mean it eventually happens Yeah, that's what I read into it when they say it. They want a man that either has money or the ability to get lots of money in the future. And you know what? I don't see anything wrong with it, but I wish they were more honest about it.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/06/21 08:03 AM
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To answer your question, I want to bring up a more scientific take on dating dynamics between men and women. Some researchers have expressed the idea that a majority of genetic defects or abnormal behaviour are carried on in the gene pool of humans by women. And that's because they observed that if a man has some genetic traits that are considered pitfalls by mates, his chances of breeding are very low. But if you are female, it matter less if you have those traits because your chances of reprod…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 06:40 AM
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I suppose a man that wouldn't turn down a career improvement, like more responsibilities at a new job. Either that, or it is just her translation for "money".
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/06/21 06:11 AM
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I didn't even know women did this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 06:00 AM
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Have you ever tried not having sex for months?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 10:36 AM
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So time has made men less attractive and woman more attractive? Not time, but changes in lifestyle has made men less necessary to women (not in general, because men are still essential to society), while making life easier for women. What I mean is that a woman no longer need a man, as long as she can rely on the welfare state. So it’s actually the modern easy days that got woman to go up in the attractiveness ladder, so modern times is actually why the 80/20 rule exists? Women aren't more attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 10:34 AM
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I will admit newer generations of men aren't great catches either. If you go into technical fields such as mine you'll however find many men who are smart and handy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 10:09 AM
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Yes, it is an effect of civilization. Go look at historical photos of families back 100 years and you'll see how hideous women were without cosmetics and easy living. After 25 they would already look like grandmas. Men, while still worn out, were comparatively more attractive - at the very least they weren't so different from the men of today.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 08:09 AM
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Absolutely not, in fact if you take makeup off most women are overall less desiderable than their male equivalent. Most women nowadays are fat and out of shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 06:58 AM
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Men simply know they are no longer needed or wanted and see having family and kids as a either remote or unfeasible dream. Family courts, divorce laws, fathers/husbands being depicted as fools in the media, women conditioned into being opinionated and toxic, online dating making a majority of men incels, women outearning men and not being interested in raising kids, etc... Access to sex in the ages of the 80/20 rule has been called out as one of the reasons, but that's a symptom and not a cause.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 06:19 AM
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Because men, unlike most women, appreciate and respect the dedication and skill that it takes to accomplish a good physical form. Women rarely work this hard on themselves so they aren't able to appreciate it as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 07:51 PM
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When women reiceve this kind of controlling behaviour, they complain non stop. It has become cultural for the man to have less agency at the expense of his woman, and not the opposite. One big ingredient in this whole phenomenon is that we consider a man submissive to his wife as "responsible and cute", while we fear a wife being submissive to his husband as "patriarchal and abusive". We came to this because men don't complain as much as women and are blind when it comes to abuse. Imagine if a w…
/r/MGTOW230/05/21 07:10 AM
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No, you don't stop loving your woman because she's a depreciating asset. There are other dynamics that become important, beyond physical attraction. But you, as the woman, must know that you'll have to put effort in everyday and complete his life. Make yourself unreplaceable as a sweet, gentle, caring woman, and he will ignore any other woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 07:24 AM
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I would say women want men to open up but only when it is humanising - and can't be interpreted as a sign of weakness. Women like emotions because it makes them connect with their partner, but they mostly want positive or inspiring emotions. For example: "My father died and I sometimes miss him, damn I really enjoyed go fishing with him!" Said without overbearing sadness and with a positive tone. VS "My father died and I sometimes miss him, I can't imagine going on without him, it makes me painf…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 10:28 PM
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Because men are better providers. Women focus a lot on themselves and their children, and often see men as replaceable providers. Men are hard wired to be providers for their families, wife/women included along with children, so they very rarely decide to abandon their wife because they see them as someone to take care of. Women see men as someone to take care of as long as it is also convenient for them to do so. I'd say the difference is nuanced but is there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 11:09 AM
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You're so far off in your power trip, you don't seem to understand anything. As a man I am powerful in my own life, but thinking you can just bend society at your own will when everything is stack against you is senile. Men ARE powerless when it comes to family courts, visitation rights, social support, divorce laws, etc... Men absolutely NEED to band together and demand better laws and more equitable treatment in society. That is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from the concept of being someone that "gets…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 12:35 PM
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I am a visitor on this subreddit, I don't particularily have issues in dating. I think complaining is crucial to men so that we aren't left behind in society - see family courts and divorce laws. Men absolutely need to complain more as a group. Women are pro at complaining and lawmakers have bent over backwards for them, men need to do the same just to catch up a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 10:36 AM
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Lol, always blaming men. Of course each individual man needs to solve his own problems, but the general sentiment against men is impossible to miss. Society is made of written and unwritten rules and we don't live in anarchy, so discussing trends and ideas is important. What society do you wanna live in? One in which we tell men to just suck it up? What if we said the same to all the women complaining about anything? What if I said that women need to just suck it up, be submissive and do everyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 10:01 AM
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Lol beautifully said. But I guess if you're only after checking some criteria box, then you'll only get people that know how to play the game, which means they know how to play you too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 09:23 AM
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You don't need to be a gym rat, at a certain point you get diminishing returns and having too many muscles can actually scare off women eventually. But I am not talking about fit muscular guys, just referring to those rare guys getting roids and becoming monsters. But being fit and having good defined muscles surely helps, it helps in finding women, it helps in drawing attention, it helps in making you more confident and healthy, and it particularly helps you when you do the mating dance with wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 06:10 AM
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I don't blame women for having itches, what I think most men find infuriating is when they want to twist it as if they're the victims. Tell your husband you want to cheat and let him decide how to react to that.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/05/21 11:50 AM
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Agreed, I don't really understand how women and men tend to twist it as if sex is comparable to the man being a dog receiving a treat. No, I am not fucking you, and you're not fucking me. We are having sex together, it's a (hopefully) enjoyable activity for the both of us. If the woman sees sex only as "the man's benefit", run away, far away.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 09:02 PM
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I honestly feel bad for a woman like her. She thinks that fake overblown lips and makeup can hide the horrible person she is inside. I see you for what you really are, lady. I wouldn't date you even if you were my last option on earth.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/05/21 02:51 PM
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You summed up in one sentence all it takes for women to become desiderable partners. And yet many fail to follow the basics.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/05/21 07:16 AM
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What an imbecile comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 08:46 PM
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Said by the girls that wants to be paid back for the beauty products she decides to puts on her face. YIKES!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 07:57 PM
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Do I really have to tell you that no one is forcing you to spend 400 bucks on a damned haircut and 30 bucks at the nail saloon, and I shouldn't be responsible for the money you spend to look good for yourself? So according to you, anything you do to look attractive has to be paid back by a potential partner? Do you want me to ask you for all the value of the tools I have in my shed, my gym membership, my hair and beard cut, the fancy clothes I dress? You are absolutely out of touch.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 07:56 PM
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You shouldn't spend money on a girl period, which means you contribute to a relationship only the same amount she puts in - like in all other partnerships. Stop paying for dates, gift, etc... unless you are absolutely sure she is reprocicating. On a first, second, etc... date you simply split.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 05:05 PM
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The basic dynamics are innate in human nature therefore they are true anywhere. But some specifics, such as the expectations of men paying on a date, can be wildly different. From what I've seen, in Europe dating dynamics seem to be a little less extreme compared to the US or South America. I don't have much experience with Asian dating culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 09:17 PM
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This is the only real logical answer. Women who chase bad boys do so because they give a sense of aggressiveness and therefore risk-taking that you won't find in normal men. And that's probably a unique evolutionary strategy that has become more and more successful as society became safer and safer. Said in another way, if a high risk taker bloodline were to be selected during the time of cavemen, it would probably be weeded out soon, due to life being more dangerous at that time (well, more tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 06:00 AM
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For the purpose of our discussion, I think it is safe to say all men watch porn. Porn traffic data is an order of magnitude over everything else on the net, because virtually everyone (at least all men) watch porn. If anyone watching porn would have serious effects on their ability of have good sex lives, literally no man would have a good sex life, which is absurd. Or only a very tiny minority would have a good sex life, also unlikely. What you're probably trying to say is that men who compulsi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 10:32 PM
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Are you aware some women watch porn as well? And in any case, generally men's sexuality is different than that of women. Women indulge the same as men watching porn, when they watch 50 shades of gray and similar female oriented media. It is the same exact thing. And its effects are very similar, it raises the bar for men who aren't keeping up with the standards of the handsome, charming, rich, and exciting men in these romantic stories. Just as women have to keep up with pornstars with big tiddi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 10:09 PM
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The link between sexual satisfaction and porn use is weak at best. Is it cause or consequence? The study doesn't say, rather it seems as sexual satisfaction is inversely linked to frequency of masturbation, and as a man I can confirm it makes a lot of sense. If you masturbate too often, you're gonna suffer in the bedroom. Either because excessive masturbation is caused by dissatisfaction in your sex life, and it also probably becomes a contributing factor (because you end up in a cycle of prefer…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 09:45 PM
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I would suggest you stay away from anything that brings an external source of happiness, relaxation, or enjoyment. In life we all end up becoming slaves to certain things, but you got to try avoiding the worst and keep the demons under control. Smoking regularly to relax is like drinking alcohol to have fun - you become dependent on it over time and the costs in terms of health and money will add up significantly. Things like picking up a sport, playing video games, joining a club are all altern…
/r/MGTOW217/05/21 07:40 PM
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Enjoy life. You can die anytime, even if you're young. So don't forget to cultivate your passion or find one, explore new hobbies, try out different jobs. Your 20s are the time to test out stuff, and find something that sticks. Personally, I would suggest learning something new every day or try something new every day. I have read great advices about finances, relationships, etc... but sometimes we forget about the most important things. Stay away from drugs, alcohol, debt, and dangerous stuff. …
/r/MGTOW217/05/21 05:39 PM
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She looks like she could explode any time now.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/05/21 04:54 AM
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Yes, absolutely. First off, I love kinky sex because it brings variety and expand the level of intimacy and bond between me and my woman. The more understanding and trust a certain act requires, the more it will build a bond between two lovers. Let's take anal sex for example. To me personally it's essential that I have a deep level of intimacy with my partner and anal sex can give me that, because a woman can generally sleep with random guys for various but will reserve more exposing and diffic…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 08:36 AM
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Yes, like when a woman gets upset of a breakup after realizing you were loaded with money?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 06:52 AM
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Absolutely this. I remember years ago when I went on vacation in a poorer part of my country, I would get plenty of interest because I stood out from the rest. Almost any man can be a top 20% depending on the situation, and setting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 03:00 PM
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I currently drive a 60k€ car, and it's hilarious seeing women turn around sometimes. If I had to date seriously, I would probably want to meet somewhere I can walk to, so that they wouldn't get strange ideas. If you're looking for validation, go ahead and be flashy. If you want love, don't ever tell her what you own. It never benefit you to give too much details about finances, if they really care about it and ask, tell the ladies you're well off or can't complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 02:56 PM
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Makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 01:55 PM
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This is beside the point. Of course if you're single you hear a cleaning lady. But if you get into a relationship and your woman is clearly one notch below you, because most women want to date up, then I don't think it is so crazy to think she could make sure you'll keep her in your life, by making herself a useful companion. It is not the man demanding it, it should be the woman that wants to become a complementing part of your life. And since most women date up, and most men don't want to clea…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 01:54 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 01:48 PM
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Yes, thank you for understanding the core of the issue. It seems like many responses here completely miss this simple point, either you accept you'll have to settle with your look-money-whatever match, or you will have to accept to adapt to become the woman Chad wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 01:47 PM
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Both. The average man-woman height difference is 12 cm. If you want a man that's more than 12 cm taller than you, and considerably taller than the male average, you'll have to work for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 01:44 PM
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You had to dig though the subs I visit as a way to better gauge the validity of my argument, I see... All relationships are a matter of balance. I am simply saying that if a woman wants to keep a great guy, she can't constantly complain about having to putting in work. The conundrum comes from some women refusing to getting with men their level of desirability, and only aiming for the top % of men. Either you make yourself a woman that completes these kind of men, and stop demanding a 50/50 rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 01:42 PM
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I don’t know why you keep saying ‘taller’. It’s like saying ‘women want men with a penis’. Most men are taller than most women. It’s not a superior trait, it just is. It is a matter of relative difference. Yes, on average men are taller than women, but all women want someone decisively taller than them. So if you're extra short as a woman, you want someone extra tall, but it isn't necessarily someone you may have normally access to. In addition to that, most women want someone taller than X, ind…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 06:56 AM
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If a man is decently good looking, in addition to having a good job, plenty of money, intelligent and smart, he's fit, 6 feet tall, and confident, then he can basically have access to plenty of women wanting to be with him. If men want a woman with more youth than them, biggest breasts than them, better ability to grow a child in their body and push it out of their genitals then them, better emotional range and better hair quality than them then they should expect to be in the submissive role! I…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 06:48 AM
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What the fuck is Chaka Chaka? Lmao
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen14/05/21 07:39 PM
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Are you suggesting that men have a thing for tall women? And going against RP orthodoxy by saying they care about education? Yes, taller women are generally more attractive. I don't even think you're wrong per se, but the reverse holds true too: men, if you want a really beautiful, sexy woman with a good job, and you're no prince yourself, you better keep her happy. Absolutely correct, it applies to both sexes. But I believe women in society are much more conditioned into thinking they're the "p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 06:27 PM
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You're either extremely naive or intentionally ignoring relationships dynamics to avoid addressing the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 12:37 PM
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If you want a taller, richer, fitter, more successful guy, then you shouldn't complain about having to put in more work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 09:51 PM
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That is absolutely obvious. I wasn't disproving that, but I think there are facts that go beyond what you said and at the end of the day, they matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 09:50 PM
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Good for you. You're an example of my concept: somehow both partners put something on the scale. If the balance is good, both can be expected to put similar effort. However, if one side is overwhelmingly more attractive then perhaps the other side can and should compensate by being more useful, putting in more effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 09:34 PM
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It is women who often don't want equals as partners, therefore the issue. Most women only want men taller than them, prettier than them, more attractive, richer, etc... Either women accept to refrain from hypergamy (good luck), or they learn again how to keep a quality man around. If that means learning how to pleasant, cook, clean, give him good sex, and generally complete his life, then they better learn that fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 09:32 PM
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Of course I am oversimplifying, but the basic concept still stands. Most men get together with women for love but if the woman other than being less attractive, less rich, got a worse job, shorter, uglier, doesn't also want to do chores, then she'll end up losing him fast. Said in another way, most times women get together with men higher up than them, and sometimes women insist on a 50/50 relationship while failing to realise they will make themselves more easily replaceable by doing so. I know…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 09:27 PM
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Well, in a way it makes sense. Since women are expected to do chores anyway, they want someone of higher status to compensate this imbalance in chores. It may be, but I think women aim higher even independently of this fact. If women of lower value want to keep a man of quality, they better learn how to make him happy and do whatever it is necessary to please him - chores, sex, etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 09:21 PM
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By beta bucks I meant that a man that's lower value than his partner will probably end up compensating by paying more, buying more gifts, etc... Either women accept they need to lower their standards and expect an equal relationship, or become a woman a high value man wants and put in the work day in day out, to make sure he sticks around. The key point of my post is that most women still complain they have to do chores, even when they should consider themselves lucky they got a fitter, richer, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 09:15 PM
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At a certain point, if the man is handsome, richer, fitter, has a better job, etc... and she's not somehow contributing to the relationship in a way that keeps the man around, then the relationship is doomed. Here I am just saying that if you are an average woman and you want a great guy with options, you may get it but get ready to put in the work. I think women are sometimes too focused on what they want, and forget that eventually if they render themselves useless in a relationship... they wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 09:09 PM
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The point is that a higher tier man probably doesn't need what you are offering. Perhaps he would much rather have someone at his side that is able to take care of the things he doesn't want to or can't take care of - for example house chores. Most average women want the "perfect man" but they never stop to question what they have to do to keep him around. They want him richer, taller, fitter, etc.... and then complain when the man demands anything that's not the ideal relationship she has in mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 09:03 PM
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Don't twist it. I am simply saying that if a woman (and this applies to a lot of women in real life) wants a man that's taller, fitter, richer, etc... then they should accept they'll be in a submissive role. And that, at the end of the day, they are more easily replaceable than their partners. So if to keep a man you have to perform more house chores, stop constantly complaining and blabbing about "50/50". Sometimes the nice things we do to other people are to make sure we are valuable to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 08:58 PM
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Relationships are always transactional somehow. A man might be willing to be with a woman that's lower than him on the socioeconomic scale (and not only that), precisely because he wants a partner that provides something else other than that. In other words, a woman that's more replaceable by comparison, in theory can and perhaps should overcompensate that with being more willing to compromise on other aspects of the relationship - for example by being happy to pick up more house chores.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 08:56 PM
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It is definitely not only a matter of money or value of time. I believe the more easily replaceable partner should compensate in a way or another, in order to keep the "better partner", otherwise the relationship is doomed to fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 07:01 PM
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From my personal experience, what happens is that the weaker partner, so in other words the one more easily replaceable, has to compensate in a way or another for that. If he or she doesn't end up compensating, the relationship is doomed to fail over time. Men who are uglier or less successful than their partners have to become beta bucks and do chores and please his woman in any way he can. The reverse should happen for women. I think it only makes sense, as every relationship is made of a deli…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 06:43 PM
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What you said makes sense, but relationships works in a slightly different way. If the man is clearly superior on many socio-economic and physically parameters, the woman has probably potentially a lot of competition for keeping that man long term. Therefore, if the woman wants to prevent his man from looking around, perhaps the best course of action for her would be to make herself unreplaceable. How do you do that? Well, becoming useful, instrumental, helpful, completing him, everything that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 06:40 PM
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Are you serious? First, if you're a SAHM and married, if you wanna leave your husband for any reason, you WILL be entitled to alimony. So it is not a trap, on the contrary it is the man who is kind of trapped, because the court will make sure she will be taken care of no matter what. Secondly, the benefits of being a SAHM are immense. No need to slave away your life to corporate madness, you're being completely taken care of, lots of quality time with YOUR kids, most menial home tasks that once …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 06:58 PM
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Props to her for being invested fully into being a good mom, and not endangering his son life by dating randoms. She has to understand her life will be lonely up to when his son will be old enough to fend off for himself. Then maybe she will be able to find some old man to keep her company, or simply go back to friends.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/05/21 07:16 PM
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The main difference here is that men watching porn seem to have unrealistic standards for their partners, whereas in my experience, women seeing influencers on social media seem to have unrealistic standards for themselves. Hilarious. Men, especially younger men, are more insecure about their body and "size" compared to that of the male actors than the women in their lives living up to perfect 90-60-90 bodies of pornstars.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 06:12 PM
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That's truly hilarious. As if modern women want to be SAHM if that meant actually being productive in the house. You could technically support two people with a small/normal salary, especially when you don't need to live in a big city so that both can find jobs nearby. Most times when women want to become a SAHM, it actually means she wants to find a rich guy to leech off from, and life carefree. Before industrialization women performed hard and time consuming tasks, and raised many kids. Back t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 06:10 PM
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Around 30 is the age at which women start dating you because their biological clock is ticking, instead of dating you because they really like you. This won't apply to all women, but for a good portion of single women approaching 30s, dating becomes more of a business venture than "seeking the love of her life".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 07:29 AM
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She's not super hideous, IF she lower her standards and IF she is able to offer something of value other than her holes, she might find someone to spend the rest of her life with.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/05/21 12:19 PM
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Graceful, complementing, and meaningful tattoos enhance a woman's look. Huge, vain, and unprofessional tattoos make her look worse overall and may even give "skank slut" vibes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 09:00 AM
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Thanks for the tip, will take a closer look
/r/MGTOW207/05/21 07:35 AM
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Thanks, will check it out
/r/MGTOW207/05/21 07:35 AM
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I wanna live to the day we have a movie based on a false rape accusation case hit the theaters. I would live forever, probably.
/r/MGTOW207/05/21 05:56 AM
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Some of what you said can be true, however: Most men are conditioned into thinking they are dumb sex obsessed apes, and treated as such by society. Most men are taught zero about their sexuality. Most men don't know ejaculation doesn't equal orgasm, and ignore the existence of different kind of male orgasms. Most people don't know men have a "period" just like women. Male genital mutilation is rampant in developed places such as the US. There are zero centers for sexually abused male victims, in…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 11:33 AM
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The act of penetrating someone with a penis: Requires his arousal Guarantees his pleasure* Agree with everything you said up to here. Clearly you have literally no idea of male sexuality. Most men, like most women, need some kind of connection to feel arousal and pleasure, and while getting off is easier, reaching truly good orgasms is as hard as for women. I don't particularly blame you, society at large doesn't give a fuck about male sexuality after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 09:51 AM
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Don't worry, I am the exact same as you. I guess the modern dating world isn't made for us.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/05/21 05:46 AM
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So a woman in Texas can demand child support from anyone, even a random guy she never met before?
/r/MGTOW205/05/21 05:22 AM
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On this specific issue, I think non-EU men tend to also contributing to the problem with their mentality. Men and women outside Europe seem to be obsessed with the idea that a man is a loser if he doesn't earn loads of money, and this made sense in the 50s when men HAD to be breadwinners, now it just means men and women of similar income levels should come together. Men and women both inflate this idea and it reinforces itself back and forth between the sexes. Stop thinking you shouldn't be cons…
/r/MGTOW230/04/21 06:12 PM
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Why would having a job means something, when women already work and earn as much as men. We don't live in the 50s anymore. Your value as a partner is influenced by your job only if you got a pretty damn and well paid job compared to the mean.
/r/MGTOW230/04/21 04:58 PM
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In my opinion, none. Perhaps only when you are old and/or don't care anymore, like 50+, and just for company. But even then I personally think it doesn't make much sense. You can still cohabitate, etc... without the hassle of marriage. However I understand some weak men scared of dying alone might fall to the pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 06:27 PM
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Exactly. There is no reason for marriage because you can cohabitate and have kids without being legally binded together. When women hear this they will say they want to marry to protect the kid's interests, which is ridiculous because they get the same rights with or without marriage in most jurisdictions. And at that point you'll watch them admit that they either don't trust you - and want to lock you down in a marriage contract - or say you need marriage for some remote and stupid benefit such…
/r/MGTOW226/04/21 11:43 AM
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Men remain eternal children because becoming responsible for a wife and kids means, more often than not, becoming a thankless walking ATM with high chances of losing most of your assets once you, the strong independent woman, decide Roger from Sales is more exciting than your buddy.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/04/21 06:33 AM
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I think this is kind of correct, I tend to take care of my body and work out (under all points of view, I am not an obsessed rat gym, just healthy eating and bodyweight exercises 2/3 times a week) and all my girlfriends at some point found that to be frustrating. Coincidentally, they always had been more frustrated, the more they had been away from a good physical shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 07:45 AM
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Do you believe this trash?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 06:36 AM
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"Women back during the cavemen ages were slim but not by choice, if they could get a bit fatter they were probably prized instead of passed on like today. " Being fat takes effort, you have to do certain things to get that way. And my point is early men mated with thin women, not fat. Being fat did take effort before industrialization because food was scarce and more people died for a lack of food than for an over abundance of it. The opposite is true today: food is abundant so we don't starve, …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/04/21 02:27 PM
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I think the flaw in your theory is the throw back to olden days when women wanted the strongest, tallest etc. and say it is in their DNA to want such men. Old days? Women still want the strongest and tallest. No woman wants a weak boy unless she has some weird momma issue. If it is in the DNA of women to want the men they want, why don't men get the same choice? The women these men were mating with didn't have muffin tops, flabby thighs, saggy asses and bellies hanging over their waists. Food wa…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/04/21 06:39 AM
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Everything you said here is true, but the perspective you're missing is that nobody wants to have submissive, overly rule abiding, honest, hard working offspring. That's a recipe for mediocrity and under achievement. Women seek competent and achieving men, and they don't care if that means sacrificing a bit of moral compass or societal approval to get them. "Thug types" look competent and masculine to these women, because they don't know any better and they prefer to choose power (in any form) o…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/04/21 05:25 PM
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Nothing kills interest in a woman, and a boner, like that. Entitled princesses are the most unattractive women on the planet, no matter their beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 07:37 AM
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I'm a 31 years old male, and I have periods where sex doesn't interest me too much. May be age, stress, focus, etc... I suspect it also has to do with experience: if you've had sex steadily for most of your adult life, maybe then you start to be less obsessed by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 11:41 AM
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I don't think what you said is accurate for average and below average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 05:05 PM
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As a man in his early 30s, I think it is a difficult subject because it wildly depend upon culture. Women in their early 20s are at their peak physically, and ideally this is the age at which you would want your partner to be. But most women in their early 20s in the West are insufferable, immature, addicted to hook up culture, and not serious in any way. So I think it is really hard to connect to people in this age group for long term relationships. However, I think that this is caused partiall…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 07:24 AM
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Men do not want their kids. Yes, because those are the men that didn't want those kids and had no choice in the matter. If women could not abort, you'd see similar stats for women. But yeah, I guess your stats are from the US only right? In my country in Europe the situation is a bit more skewed in favor of women. When taken to court 94% of men get either half or full custody. But that's not the point. From what I know, most kids end up staying in the family home and it gets usually assigned to …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 02:54 PM
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Here we go with the feminist troll. In my country 97% of the times the woman get custody of the children and gets awarded the family home. I don't remember the stat for the US, but it is surely above 80%. I don't even wanna spent too much time trying to make you understand that it is pretty unlikely that only 3 men out of 100 have any kind of involvement in their children's life. What is more likely is that courts are biased against men because historically people see mothers as more important t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 12:26 PM
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I would really really like to gain the advantage that women have in family courts matters. Like not having to worry about potentially seeing your children taken away from you by a hateful ex in a divorce. That alone would solve 60-70% of the issues I have regarding modern intergender dynamics. As a man instead, I am expected to enter a relationship knowing that if it goes south I will have a lot to lose, including my home and access to my kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 11:55 AM
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Doing God's work.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 08:44 AM
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Could say the same about you. No, I am providing you with reasoning and links. That alone doesn't mean your job isn't essential. I know economics isn't easy but maybe you should learn how covid has effected things before you claim only men are essential and not I have never claimed only men are essential. I have said, with proof, that most men's jobs are essentials while women's jobs are comparatively less essential. Since you don't seem to show much intelligence in understanding, that means tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 10:05 PM
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Okay, I am finished discussing with you. Each of your response is a stupid rebuttal without any substance. Zero real argumentation, zero logic, only superficiality. You win. You could read what I wrote and research it, perhaps you could learn something new so next time someone argues with you, you have more to say other than "you disagree with me, therefore you clearly hate women". The demonstration that my view is correct is that with the covid crisis, women have been affected the most by lay o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 09:04 PM
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Going outside and meeting new people, who then might introduce you to more people, is just a step towards knowing more potential mates. Whatever makes you meet people will be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 08:45 PM
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Irreverent. No, it is absolutely relevant because most women's jobs are more easily replaceable than men's jobs, simply because it is well known that men perform most technical and skilled jobs, or jobs that are dangerous / hard. So yeah, most jobs that men perform I think are a bit less easily replaceable than women's. Maybe in your country, but not in mine. In most western countries medical is around 50/50 men and women. You're using any possible trick to avoid admitting the obvious. How am I …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 07:38 PM
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Ya it is your opinion. You don't think cashiers and nurses are essential. You only think jobs majority held by men as being essential. So we all understood you're a cashier, but you see... Is it easier for a Plumber or Electrician to learn how to scan items at a local store, or is it easier for a cashier like you to understand how to fix plumbing or how to wire a electrical system? You never dealt with a natural disaster have you? More so good luck not having medical or means to buy something wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 06:00 PM
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But hey you keep thinking your example tops mine. No, it's not my opinion. Male dominated jobs vs [Female dominated jobs] (https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.insider.com%2F54e376936bb3f70d36c66d19%3Fwidth%3D750%26format%3Djpeg%26auto%3Dwebp&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Fpink-collar-jobs-dominated-by-women-2015-2&tbnid=6kPI89fbKtresM&vet=12ahUKEwj8h-jb5N_vAhVLy6QKHYLYBeoQMygDegUIARCHAQ..i&docid=wTdeqiRnd1DNqM&w=750&h=525&q=male%20women%20dominated%20fields&ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 02:48 PM
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Men maintain infrastructures, water lines, sewages, power grids, military defence, garbage collection, roads, internet, trains, planes, medical devices, oil production and distribution, gas distribution, most essential factory productions (plastic, metals, etc....), agricolture, and many more essentials to our western way of life. And your example of how essential women are.... cashiers? Really? In my country we have mostly automatic cashier lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 02:00 PM
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With the exception of nurses, most job dominated by women are non essential. Look at jobs with high % of men instead: they are all absolutely essential. Stop living in a dream reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 08:18 AM
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No, we would like a woman that wants and enjoys cooking, cleaning, and raising kids. We don't want a woman that does it only to avoid working 9 to 5, because that woman will most likely also divorce rape us at the first chance she gets. Sad, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 08:10 PM
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If she's so accustomed to dinner dates, she can pay herself for both. I don't see one valid reason in the world as to why she shouldn't pay, if she really insists on a specific kind of date. These women are a scourge on society, I am embarrassed for them.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/04/21 05:54 AM
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Women are simply better at cheating and not get caught / admit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 06:38 PM
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If the woman works full time, the man most likely contributes also to these duties. Personally, I've never seen a man not helping with house stuff at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 03:40 PM
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Because she fucked up monumentally. Like most women, when she was younger she had no idea what to make up of her life, so she took the standard path of getting an education. That's what everyone did, so why bother? During these years, she partied like there was no tomorrow. In her mind, she aspired to have it all - career, money, babies, family, and a hot man. The world was her oyster. Feminism told her she could have it all and she believed it. Everything seemed attainable. But by the time she …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/03/21 06:28 AM
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So.... She got an expensive yet probably useless degree, and the attitude that comes with it. Got a kid in the picture and is over 30 years old. She never worked a skilled job and won't be able to work (she wants more kids and be supported). She probably has a huge entitlement and superiority complex. She got pumped and dumped many times. Expect you to pay for everything otherwise you're a "lOw VaLuE mAlE". Complete inability to see she's at the bottom of the dating market.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/03/21 07:49 PM
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Excellent post, saved.
/r/MGTOW230/03/21 01:37 PM
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I think that's a huge biased generalisation. I know it is biased because it is enforced by popular culture (media, movies, TV, etc...) where men are often depicted as stumbling buffoons. In reality most men often help out in the house AND are able to help with more technical or difficult stuff the woman wouldn't be able to handle alone. That's my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 01:35 PM
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More power to you if you prefer to remain single. Everything you said here can be applied to men believe it or not. There are little to no incentives for men to marry nowadays, even more so considering most women aren't high earners like you and will expect you to support them (with high risk of divorce rape down the road). You don’t need to mow the lawns, do the plumbing or gutters daily. No, but men perform chores in the house too. And I believe that all in all, most men compensate pretty well…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 01:32 PM
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Well lady I never cheated in my entire life, always had been honest and supportive, always put effort in my (few yet super long lasting) relationships, I earn a good income in my country, and yet... women have always complained about having to do too much, while also desperately demanding marriage from me. So no, when I hear women complaining about their men not helping enough, I call bullshit. The reality is that women LOVE to complain about their relationships and I've seen this not only on my…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 11:46 AM
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If you think marriage is not a good deal for women, then don't marry. Men don't want to marry either. Strangely enough it is always women who complain about not being able to marry. Never read or heard of a man going desperate because he wanted to be married and couldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 11:30 AM
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Banning restrictions on controlling or at least negotiating the spending of money in a family simply means any household will become a race to the bottom to beneift whoever spend more recklessly. Because why save and be frugal when your spouse is gonna have zero moral or legal restriction from spending like crazy anyway? If someone brings in all the money, he or she should have a major control over how those money are spent. If the other person doesn't agree, he or she is always welcome to leave…
/r/MGTOW230/03/21 10:04 AM
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According to studies conducted by women for women. I have read those studies, they never mention typically male dominated house duties such as mowing lawn, fixing stuff, painting, repairing, etc... so I have found them extremely biased. Get off your high horses ladies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 09:58 AM
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They play mommy, therapist, sex bot, cook, housekeeper, nanny, and everything else without getting anything in return. Yeah, because I've never seen men being daddy, therapist, sex pleasing, fix-everything, plumber, car mechanic, providers, protectors, life coaches, and everything else. I would dare to say, overall, men give women more than women give men, in terms of help, comfort, aid, protection, emotional security, etc... Get off your horse, lady.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 07:16 AM
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But is it referred to each individual's money, any money, or the couple's pooled money? I would be curious to hear a judge explaining an example of how this law should be applied. So if I am the breadwinner (or I simply bring in most income in the family) and my spouse has a spending problem, I am unable to do anything because otherwise it would be abuse? What about people who pick up bad habits, gambling, and drugs? Or simply extreme bad cases of overspending? Who defines what is abuse and what…
/r/MGTOW229/03/21 10:24 PM
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Have you ever seen a man that doesn't kill cockroaches and doesn't know anything about cars? No, I think the true scope of some women is to lock in a provider in marriage. Then, once they are married, they can choose to drop off of their boring and stressful jobs and be provided for the rest of their lives. It is the confusing, yet very simple, statement of: "I can't openly say I want to be lazy and be provided for by my husband while I stay at home and enjoy life, because thats not seen as cool…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 06:28 AM
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I think you're being vague because you don't want to admit you want to be provided for. In other words, you want a husband that takes on most responsibilities, mostly in terms of money. Am I correct? If I am not correct please give me detailed examples because I still have no idea what you're meaning in practice when you talk about "provider" and 100/100. Do you want your husband to pay most expenses? Or perfect partnership financially and otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 08:34 PM
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What does that mean then? Do you want to split expenses 50/50 or not? Do you want your man to take charge or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 04:16 PM
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As a woman, I know that ultimately we want a provider. So do you want to become a SAH mother? The huge issue is that nowadays most men don't want anything to do with being a provider, and rightly so. Men want to have sex and want to keep their independence. Up until 20 years ago you would have had much more men throwing themselves at you to build up a relationship and a family together. But now? No, now most men are aware of how unfair marriage and divorce laws are to them and prefer to keep thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 03:30 PM
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I would bet it's the women in there who feel insecure about paying off with their pockets. They give the card to him so that she can still live in fantasy land and pretend she's getting taken care of and her boyfriend is the one paying. Their whole dating strategy and self worth seem to revolve around finding a man that spoil them, even if that is rather anacronistic in today's feminist world. So they ask their men to pay even when it's her card so she can still pretend she scored the man that p…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 01:33 AM
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I have read your previous comment about your parent's marriage history, and it pains me to see how different things were in the past. I don't believe for a second that things were completely different back then because humans haven't changed in a few decades, but socially and culturally the climate was much more family-oriented and most people were raised with good values. What does that mean in practice regarding the discussion at hand? Well, simply put, men knew what their role was and women k…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/03/21 08:45 PM
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Apologies for my tone, but what exactly I cannot do? In my statement I was simply saying that men should held women to a higher standard. Is it illegal to have an opinion on this matter?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/03/21 04:18 PM
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Your real-life experience, while anecdotal, is extremely valuable and serves as an example for those who keep repeating that marriage can be good, specifically for men. I have been discussing on other subs with women who claim marriage is beneficial to men because of some cherry picked statistic, and yet refuse to be honest with themselves and look at the bigger picture. The damage done by feminism and hyper-protection of women in our society is immense. A lot of kids aren't born simply because …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/03/21 04:13 PM
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Good women exist. Unfortunately, the whole marriage thing is still a no-no for me. I will happily spend my days with a good woman and build a life with her, but no marriage. I just can't fantom getting the state involved into my romantic life, additionally, marriage nowadays creates more incentive for women to break their woes than giving reasons to stay together. I've seen too many men feel trapped into marriages with the treath of divorce rape constantly hovering over their heads to ever want …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/03/21 03:01 PM
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Still not enough for men like me to marry. If a woman demands marriage she's automatically not a high quality woman in my eyes. I understand cultural pressures, but only to a certain point.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/03/21 02:56 PM
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Character is not guaranteed thanks to a title. I see plenty of wives who are of poor quality and aren't able to be of support to their families.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/03/21 01:43 PM
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Well apologies if I made personal attacks and that bothered you. I was simply implying that your point of view seemed influenced by an underlying past indoctrination about women "being angels". It is a pretty common phenomenon in many young men. Unfortunately not much can be done about the state of things we are currently in. The fundamental piece of every society, the family unity, has been obliterated in the last 50 years to a level that leaves little chance for those remaining. Even on a pers…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/03/21 01:41 PM
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They can't. They're biologically different than men even in that regard. You are not going to get the same level of compassion or reciprocated feelings/caring from them. Still trying to perpetuate the myth of the unicorn with nawalt though, i'm really not shocked. Psychology, Biology, social upbringing and life experiences ultimately determine how women (and men) are going to display such behaviors. Men have always been and always will be the more fiercely compassionate cause that's in our biolo…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/03/21 11:43 AM
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No, you probably come from a place of ignorance about women and human nature to begin with. Are you one of those men who once believed women could be higher beings, and now lives in constant rage? I bet you think I am basically stating that some women fall into the category of "angels" like some men have been conditioned to believe in, which is ridiculous beyond any reason. I don't expect a woman to stick with a man who's falling behind hard because I wouldn't expect that from anybody, including…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/03/21 10:44 AM
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My friend did you read what I wrote? I specifically said they're almost extinct. But the real point of my message was that men need to have high standards for women. I am sick and tired of women being encouraged into becoming weak, whiny, petulant, responsibility-allergic, lazy, and entitled human beings.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/03/21 10:04 AM
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"Real women" definitely exist, it is just that nowadays they are almost completely extinct. Those would be women who are absolutely loyal, have experienced and won challenges in their lives, are compassionate, caring, and sweet, yet relatively strong in mind and well mannered.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/03/21 06:59 AM
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Well daaaah. Dating a single mom is a recipe for disaster. What's more worrisome is that at some point you're gonna feel as you have to educate the child and you'll eventually be told "you can't tell me that, you're not my father". It never happened to me but I imagine that would hurt like nothing else emotionally.
/r/MGTOW225/03/21 07:54 PM
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Everyone has their own preference. No one has to date you if you can't satisfy their needs. Who the hell cares if you can control it or not.
/r/PussyPassDenied25/03/21 03:13 PM
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That's fine if it works for you. Not everyone is the same!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 03:10 PM
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Thanks. I posted my reply there, let's see how fast I get banned.
/r/MGTOW225/03/21 12:19 PM
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It would be as if I got in with a new girlfriend who loves travels and told her about all the exotic trips I took with my ex. Then when she pushes to go visit any place, I would say no. And if she complains about it, I would just say "oh no sweetie you're being abusive because you can't pressure me into traveling. You see, I had been coerced into visiting the world with my ex and now I can't do it anymore".
/r/MGTOW225/03/21 12:03 PM
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Do you have a link?
/r/MGTOW225/03/21 12:00 PM
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Blue, red, purple, whatever pill, that's something I don't think any sane man would want to deal with. I mean the mere fact he seeks validation online to confirm his instincts that this is totally not okay is worrying. I wouldn't be surprised some replies tell him he's abusive for expecting her to do these things with him. His only chance is getting out now.
/r/MGTOW225/03/21 11:51 AM
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For me it's not essential but it is definitely important. I think most masculine men seek feminine women, and a woman that take care of herself and wants to be beautiful for her man is a huge turn on. Makeup, nails, hair, heels... can definitely raise a woman sexuality significantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 11:49 AM
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Why the hell would you keep staying with a woman who not only doesn't want to pleasure you, but also do it while having it done with others and gaining pleasure in humiliating you?
/r/MGTOW225/03/21 11:24 AM
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I think it's true for a part of MGTOW, in the sense that they experience everything in life as some sort of female conspiracy against men, which can be true in specific instances, but is a ridiculous stance to have in the grand scheme of things. People lurking in this sub are already different. We don't believe all women are "bad" or that we live in a big conspiracy. We are aware of the pitfalls of modern marriage and cohabitation and we consciously decide to "go our own way" in a mostly rationa…
/r/MGTOW225/03/21 08:43 AM
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On the surface I could even feel empathetic towards her... until I read about the relationship that failed because he was *insecure* about her making 3x his salary. I would dare to say he wasn't insecure, perhaps he just didn't want to pay up for most things when she was making so much more money. Or maybe she didn't like him not being able to sustain the lifestyle she was able to afford. Or something along the lines of that. I don't see self-reflection anywhere in this post.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/03/21 08:24 AM
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Back in the days we didn't have so much hard data but smart men were already aware of female-male dynamics and things such as "hypergamy". We just didn't call it that. Introducing this obsession with blue / red pill dichotomy just makes men fight over each other to prove they are "in the right side". The data on IQ is interesting, could I have some sources? The IQ data could simply mean that smart men tend to be less physically attractive but maybe more likely to compensate in other areas for th…
/r/MGTOW224/03/21 07:47 AM
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Fake tits, fake lips, load of makeup. Ladies and gentlemen, this is what a lost, insecure, attention obsessed, and mentally unstable woman of our age looks like. Her own self worth is 100% tied to how hot she looks and particularly how many men she can attract. No sign of deeper thoughts, aspiration, ambition, compassion, devotion, integrity, spirituality. Everything gets sacrificed at the altar of social media obsession. Nothing else matters.
/r/MGTOW223/03/21 07:49 PM
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She may start to realise that once she find herself at 50 without a husband or kids. Maybe. The FDS sub-reddit twisted rules to find men, would be like men telling each other to physically assault women to find a perfect wife. Absolute insanity. In truth, the exact opposite of what you should do to find a good partner and a LTR. But they are greedy beyond measure... they want the alpha man and they wanna make a slave out of him... never gonna happen.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/03/21 03:03 PM
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What a failed human being. She wants to find a man to parasite, while convincing everyone around her including herself she's actually some kind of superior being for aiming to do so. She claims men disgust her because they don't respect her by not wanting to be used as walking wallets. I wonder how disgusted she would be if and when she finally looks into the mirror and realize she's one lazy, entitled, putrid human being.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/03/21 11:34 AM
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Well the only consequence noteworthy would be that not having sex with your partner for long periods of time would be ground for at fault divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 06:10 AM
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European man here. Sometimes when I read the ramblings of some American men who thought that women were all angels, etc, I simply cringe inside. You need to have been deeply manipulated for years to be surprised women aren't adhering to some special kind of Knight code. This is partially the fault of those men for having been misled so easily, but also proof that society at large actively teaches men not to prioritise their interests, and are raised as little family slaves instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 06:59 AM
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He doesn't respect men trying to seek some group identity in accordance with their life choices because men are supposed to not seek help to be respected, in the classical toxic view of men that society has. This shows the natural bias against males looking out for each other. Most people in the MGTOW communities need to socialise with like minded individuals and they shouldn't get shamed for that. Imagine if we were talking about women only clubs - no one would think of shaming these women beca…
/r/MGTOW215/03/21 11:48 AM
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Most men (and women) actually want to bond to someone, as it is one of the most primordial instinct we have. Being in a LTR means sharing emotions, trust, objectives, all things reduced or absent in relationships between people having casual sex. I'd bet sex between strangers tend to also become repetitive after a while. Some men definitely engage in casual sex if they can even while in relationships but it is mostly if not exclusively a matter of ego boosting and variety needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 11:03 AM
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Not much. Because fortunately there are things beyond physical beauty that matter the same if not more. Egotistical men and trophy wifes make me cringe, you can sense they picked their partners just because they like showing them off. Usually, the rest of the relationship is a tranwreck. It's pretty lame.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/21 06:25 PM
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I am tired of the nice guys / bad boys dichotomy as I personally find it reductive. But saying women in general aren't attracted by aggressive, assertive, and selfish men is ridiculous. Men dream of being Bond not because Bond is cool in itself, but because Bond gets a lot of pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/21 11:46 AM
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So then if this is your view why enter any relationship at all? There’s a chance it will be miserable and fail. Okay so let's flip it and let's see if you get it. Tomorrow they pass a law saying that if a marriage fails the woman (you) will have to give all her possessions, including custody of the children, to the man. Doesnt matter if it failed because of you or because he cheated. Do you marry? Or not? Or do you simply say "No, marriage doesn't make sense, but I will keep trying to build a fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 12:37 PM
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The stat for first marriage is actually 41% and for second marriages it’s 60%. I'll need to check that, but I'll point out that even if it was only 30% it would still be extremely high considering the subsequent number of marriages that are miserable. After about 8 years of marriage, only 12% of people claim they still love each other. Only 3% claim they are still madly in love after about 8 years. If a guy just says “I love you have my baby” and I’m only his girlfriend, is he going to stick aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 11:29 AM
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I’ve never seen this work so I’m not going to take that chance. With marriage I’ve seen good and bad ones so I’ve learned from other peoples mistakes. With baby mama culture I’ve never seen it go good, so I’m not doing it. I’m not “many people” I know what to do to hold up my end, I know what type of men to select for as well. So if I find that guy I’ll happily marry him if I never do I’ll be happily child free and single. All of your cons for marriage to ten fold for baby mama culture so saying…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 11:01 AM
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It’s not bigoted or backwards. It just is what it is. If a man doesn’t want to marry a woman it’s because he doesn’t trust her, there’s no love without trust and men don’t take these type of women as seriously and you see it in their actions clear as day. They all will say what you did but when looking at how wives vs girlfriends are generally treated it’s obvious that it’s better to be a wife. I can not do this and this is single motherhood. It’s a one way ticket to it. From what I’ve seen even…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 07:48 PM
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It’s about the stability. If I can’t bring a child into a stable loving environment where both parents are present, engaged and loving then I’m not having them. Can't you comprehend that you can have a stable home, a loving environment, and both parents present without a piece of paper saying you're married? Marriage itself is not and is never gonna be a guarantee to maintain these things; I already explained to you that marriage in itself can absolutely be a driving factor in people splitting u…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 06:59 PM
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You don’t need to have to get married there’s a lot of single moms out there. I just don’t want that to be me. I don’t want to be a baby mama because I don’t want to live with that stigma and embarrassment and I wouldn’t want my child to go through that. Not the case in America where I live so honestly I don’t really care. Children born to married parents fare the best. So since I want kids I want the best. It’s not a mantra. It’s my personal choice. I don’t want to be a baby mama. Forever girlf…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:37 AM
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Yes, pretty much with some adjustments.
/r/MGTOW210/03/21 06:52 AM
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I have been on a ZERO sugars and ZERO processed carbohydrates diet for a long time now. I now eat a lot of protein rich food and vegetables. Before this, I've had some minor health issues and extra weight, and the diet erased both. Not looking back.
/r/MGTOW210/03/21 12:24 AM
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Yes, because I want kids and I don’t want to be someone’s baby mama. You can absolutely have kids and not marry. I think women like you must have some kind of cognitive dissonance regarding kids and marriage, because you keep insisting you need to marry to have kids when the two things are completely unrelated in the real world. In 99% of countries or states kids out of wedlock have the same rights as kids born in marriage. The only person who's gonna gain more rights in a marriage is you. So pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 11:41 PM
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So would you break up with a perfect man that loves you and wants to spend his life with you, just because he's against marriage and doesn't want to invite the state into his home?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 07:16 PM
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To your first paragraph is because the answer is simple for two reasons. Woman believe they have a “biological clock” for starters. They are pressured into thinking that they must have a baby or they will lose the chance and live in regret. They also are taught that there eggs are running dry, and it’s embedded in them naturally. All which is unfortunately untrue, which is bogus made up by men during a miserable time for men. Well, this is the same kind of social pressure that men reiceve to get…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 10:43 PM
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No there not. There are studies that show that marriage is actually beneficial to men only, you could still argue for both, but in the end the woman is still losing, and aren't as happy. Studies have also shown that men are more happier married, then they are Bachelors. You can read up more about it if you'd like. If marriage is beneficial to men only, then why are women getting all crazy about getting married? I have read these studies and already extensively discussed about them with people he…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 12:32 PM
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Your whole argument comes from the assumption that the man in question: Wants to marry, in general Sees a benefit for him in marriage Nowadays men are really wary of marriage in general. And that's because they're smart about it: what is there in marriage for a man? A lot of risks and some very few superficial benefits. I don't think any person with half a brain still denies this fact, given they have invested 30 minutes into reading the stats about marriages and divorces. Your whole perspective…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 08:46 AM
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But you see, the mere idea that a woman should or will honor you just because you're a good, hard working man is a ridiculous proposition to begin with. It only made sense as a social contract during tough times back when traditionalism made sense economically. Women today choose partner based mostly on their appearance, physical or otherwise. They don't need men anymore for support (at least on paper, in reality the fiscal system still needs men to essentially support women on a general scale),…
/r/MGTOW208/03/21 07:47 AM
3

And this is why women shouldn't go into sex work if they ever plan on having a healthy and honest relationship with a decent man.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/03/21 07:35 PM
21

Each individual can choose to do anything they want with their bodies, but they shouldn't expect others to accept them or consider them on the same level as everyone else. Women's fragile ego is exposed when they try to call out men as "insecure" when they refuse to seriously date strippers and hookers. We need women to be less insecure. We need women who take responsibility of their action and recognise their weaknesses in dating. Do you have a history as a stripper? Good. Recognize it as somet…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/03/21 12:59 PM
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Well, it is also true that women are often seen successful only when they are pretty, for men beauty is also important but they can more easily "buy" appreciation by other means. In other words, the average man can probably raise his status in the eyes of the opposite sex more by his own doing than the average woman can (because beauty is harder to change than financial status). On the flip side, women reiceve more social support when they fuck up their lives. Men that fail at life are simply fo…
/r/MGTOW205/03/21 08:09 AM
2

We all know it's illegal to lie in court, so why aren't most women lying about rape not put into jail already? I think they should also be listed as sex offenders. Women who lie about rape (not a statistically insignificant number) bring down the validity of all rape claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 07:55 AM
5

The woman in the story is broken and pathetic. If someone had such a bad and twisted view on sex, you would bet they worked on it... or at least avoided bringing down someone else with them. And instead... Has the man in the story ever experienced sex with a normal woman? Time to divorce, buddy.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/03/21 06:39 AM
9

If only was that easy....
/r/MGTOW204/03/21 04:10 PM
6

Another book very similar to Art of War but with more practical tactical advices is The 36 Stratagems. The two books together are worth their weight in gold.
/r/MGTOW204/03/21 11:33 AM
3

Smart women know this and make sure their men feel as much desired as they would want to feel. At a subconscious level, it is definitely harder for a man to truly care for a woman if he knows she's with him only for money, attention, etc... because you know the relationship does not stand on solid fundamentals. So in those cases the relationship becomes a cold transaction, and it will become a race to the bottom. But when a man knows her woman is on his side mostly or also because she genuinely …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 06:27 AM
2

If emphaty alone becomes a turn off, I suspect the women involved are definitely not of high quality. On the flip side, I also think that women, especially younger ones, are probably seeking men who are more confident than the average guy. Often being insecure is confused rightfully or not with being emphatic (perhaps being emphatic can be a weakness), or maybe the two things go hand in hand most times. In my experience women want someone who is clearly strong and dominating but also emphatic to…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 11:34 PM
1

Well, I am certainly not gonna insist on you dating then 😉 Mine was just a curiosity as I've heard women past 40 can be easier to handle due to the fact they probably already had kids and just want someone to spend time with. In that case there is little to zero marry/kids pressure and therefore way less risks.
/r/MGTOW203/03/21 06:19 AM
2

Where do you live? Anyhow, I am in my early 30s and I completely understand you. I speculate that for some men it may be actually beneficial to have a woman in their older years, given the right circumstances, but I am still not so sure. If you find an old woman around your age that just wants companionship it may work out. How are women in their 40s?
/r/MGTOW202/03/21 10:52 PM
3

People need to realise we're all animals, and unfortunately we can escape our instincts only for so long. How old are you? At a certain point in our lives it is completely normal and acceptable to be wanting to have a family of your own - that's probably why you're feeling sad right now seeing others having kids. My advice would be to meet new people, maybe adop a dog, and make sure you get all the human interaction you really need. If a more intimate relationship becomes necessary to you so be …
/r/MGTOW202/03/21 10:34 PM
19

The fuck dude
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/03/21 05:05 PM
31

Using sex as a weapon has always been an extreme turn off to me, and I've always made it very clear in my relationships. No man should accept being trained like a dog. Maintenance sex will eventually become a thing if you cohabitate for long enough, but it should still be an act of love that you prove to each other.
/r/MGTOW202/03/21 01:50 PM
3

A girl wearing a well chosen, sexy, and complementary, make up will always look better to my eyes to a woman who doesn't wear any at all. The reasons go beyond superficial beauty: it shows she puts efforts into looking good, and has good taste in aesthetics (subjective). For me personally, nail care is something I care about as a man. As absurd as it will sound to other men here, I actually find nail polish and general nail care in women to be sexy. Same with hair styles. It also shows they have…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 11:53 PM
1

It's not entirely that. At my age, the idea of "building a life" with someone isn't feasible. It doesn't really match up with reality. When men get to be around 35-40, they have already lived much of their life single if they aren't married yet. Why would they want to "build a life" with someone at that point? Men over 35 are definitely gonna keep themselves out of the game, it is too late for them. Being 30 myself I already know how hard it would be to decide to have a family of my own in this …
/r/MGTOW228/02/21 08:02 PM
1

Yes some 20yo would want that kind of marriage, because they don't have yet the necessary life experience to know it won't last anyway. The only way you can convince men to marry is to set up laws that protects them and give them some authority in the household. Men love to build and protect. In today's system you can't build anything in a marriage because you have effectively zero authority... you're always one fling, one "I was bored", one "I'm oppressed, teehee" away from being divorced and b…
/r/MGTOW228/02/21 07:16 PM
3

Well I don't believe in God so I can't share your vision fully. But I would agree that probably in ancient times the equivalent of marriage was probably a more balanced social contract than what it is now. Marriage in its original form was just a man and a woman openly declaring their intentions to be together to the tribe. So that other suitors would not interfere and let them be a family. No more, no less.
/r/MGTOW226/02/21 04:00 PM
2

Historically a marriage was seen as a rite of passage, so it made sense to celebrate it. Today is pretty much the same, with the difference that now it is mostly a vanity competition for women.
/r/MGTOW226/02/21 03:41 PM
6

Semantics.
/r/MGTOW226/02/21 03:02 PM
9

As far as I know, the megarich can easily solve their disputes in private, with money and alternative measures. Usually, people who are from rich families which have been rich for generations, know how to handle this way better than us, and in those cases maybe marriage is a good deal under certain circumstances. Of course they usually handle marriage as a business venture, not as a love story, so they set it up so that nobody can fuck the other.
/r/MGTOW226/02/21 12:47 PM
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Marriage is a relic of the past, unless you're in the top 1% and plan on using it to link two families wealth like it has been done for centuries. Regular men have only to lose from marriage. Not even men who think they absolutely "need" a woman in their life benefit from it, the sooner you realise we're all alone in the end, the better. And its not as dire of a conclusion as it may seem, life is still amazing and you can still entertain women if you want. But locking yourself up in a marriage? …
/r/MGTOW226/02/21 10:40 AM
51

A man to truly fuck up his life, he has to marry.
/r/MGTOW226/02/21 06:52 AM
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Abusive and controlling = he wasn't okay with me hooking up with his friends.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/02/21 07:10 PM
10

I don't wanna be harsh on you, however by how things played out you absolutely made huge mistakes. I am not writing this to attack you, but to let young people reading these words what went wrong and how to prevent it. First mistake was to marry, and we all already know how dumb that is so I am not gonna dwell on that further. Then you have given half a million dollar to your spouse's family to get them out of debt and even more money so that she could study. Half a million dollars? That's a lif…
/r/MGTOW224/02/21 12:03 AM
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Did you really give 500.000$ to his father for a house? You're either ultra rich or you made some big mistakes there buddy... I am sorry to hear your story, but then again this is mostly a reminder of never making a woman the center of your existence and never marry, more than a warning against engaging with women in general. I do believe a happy balance can be achieved by men, if they are smart enough to avoid all the common pitfalls, and brave enough to stick to not marrying and not giving wom…
/r/MGTOW223/02/21 08:37 PM
2

Women end up settling down out of necessity, like men. They initially aim for hotter men, and end up settling for Mr. Average. Wouldn't you try the same? Personally I think that if men stopped trying to provide unilaterally, and being generally idiots, perhaps women wouldn't settle and take advantage of them. No man should fuck or date a woman unless respect and equal partnership is given. Learn those words and live according to them. No man should be obsessive enough about women that they becom…
/r/MGTOW218/02/21 12:35 PM
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I think the meme is fairly inaccurate. Women go with whoever wins or is perceived as a winner. Depending on society, that might be a "nice guy", or a "drug dealer chad". If you got looks and power, anything else does not matter.
/r/MGTOW218/02/21 10:25 AM
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The mother of idiots is always pregnant
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/02/21 09:37 PM
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Yeah, I know very well. I am one of these people, as I work in a rather high tech field and I don't hold a degree, yet I know "educated people" who struggle to go by. I think that the general idea that men don't particularly care about women's education is true because most women who hold higher education are usually indoctrinated far left feminists no man really wants. But I don't think education in itself is irrelevant. Things like money and intelligence are probably even more important.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/02/21 07:55 PM
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Considering I don't want to marry anyway, I think I run almost zero risk. I'd prefer a woman with money because I would want my kids to have a good future no matter what happens. I certainly don't want a lazy bum financially irresponsible trash as partner.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/02/21 11:38 AM
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Most of them are. But I would imagine being with a woman with family money would be a good investment long term, if not for you, for your future kids.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/02/21 11:34 AM
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I am from Europe and I've never been in a relationship with a woman that didn't want to share 50/50. I don't care what people think, if a woman wants to build something with me she has to be an equal partner. I would pick a woman with family money over one without money more than for my possible future children than for myself.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/02/21 11:31 AM
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Everything else being equal, I'd pick a woman with money. I wouldn't pick a woman only because she has money, unless she would want to change my life financially and I had a lot to gain from it. I also wouldn't pick a woman that she thinks she's superior to me because of money, especially if she was born into it. But if she was a good partner, and had family money, I would be super happy about it. It would make me choose her more.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/02/21 11:27 AM
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Yes and no. I feel like this sub is a bit too obsessed with this mantra about "men don't care about your financials". Bloody heck, I think that men actually prefer to date someone without crippling debt and with some stability. Am I wrong? Education is a bit tricky because you'd want a woman to be intelligent (which is not about education) and well mannered, but not someone who feels superior just because has a stupid degree. Personally, I value women with money more. If I can get a woman who ha…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/02/21 07:06 AM
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I am 100% agreeing with the statement as long as the woman stating it does not expect from me ANYTHING other than basic courtesy and reprocity. 99.9999% of women simply demand a lot from you... money, favors, special treatments, etc... so most of them have no right to say that they don't owe anyone anything. If you expect your partner to treat you a certain way, then you gotta give...
/r/MGTOW216/02/21 12:41 PM
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Surprisingly for some people, I understand her and somewhat even agree. From a female point of view, she knows most men are essentially spineless or, even worse, cowards, and that's without a doubt alarming. We don't have authoritarian strong protective men anymore, the kind of men who would firmly keep families together and fight for making sure things go the right way. Ideally, men in tribal societies should and must have traits such as masculinity, bravery, authority, competence, and aggressi…
/r/MGTOW225/01/21 09:20 PM
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If someone asked me how I am doing financially I usually say that "I can't complain". It shows that you are happy where you are but doesn't give away details. And not being stressed about money is really the most important factor in regards to finances. Being well off enough, with low or no debt, and plenty of savings means you're resilient enough that you can sleep at night even if the economy takes a dive or you get fired.
/r/MGTOW224/01/21 08:30 AM
1

The greatest virtue a man can possess is being calm in the face of the greatest challenges and failures. You're incredibly young. You're a fountain of hormones and excitement, so don't be too hard on yourself if you ashamed yourself chasing women. You're also so young and unexperienced, you'll probably laugh in a few years thinking back at this. Focus on yourself. What do you want to do in life? Find something that makes you daydream and chase it, with all yourself. If you want to get women, mak…
/r/MGTOW222/01/21 10:08 AM
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You don't even have to be nervously awkward about it. Given my experience in an advanced country, if a woman expected me to pay for her I would assume she is either a prostitute, or a totally rude and irresponsible member of society. If a woman on a first date gives you looks for making her pay her share then you can even graciously hinting that you weren't aware she was a prostitute - at that point its better to lose her than keep her even for a quick F. I would pay for a woman on a date only i…
/r/MGTOW219/01/21 02:29 PM
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It's not even that, why would you pay for a stranger's meal? You're there to know the other person and the other person is there to know you. I dont even comprehend why anyone should expect one or the other to pay for it all.
/r/MGTOW219/01/21 09:37 AM
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In most of Europe it is kinda normal to expect the woman to pay for herself on a date. Why would it be any different, in the age of feminism shouted at every corner? Women can work and earn just as men, so it is only logical for them to pay their way. I have personally been only on one date with a woman who expected me to pay for her, and she was from South America. Long story short, the fact she expected me to pay without even discussing it, disgusted me so much that I have hard passed her. Ple…
/r/MGTOW219/01/21 06:45 AM
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Unattractive but young women will have youth to their advantage, success is for the most part irrelevant to men, but youth isn't. The target demographic to these women should be older men who may not be in their prime anymore but would be happy to date and pair with a younger woman.
/r/RedPillWomen17/01/21 09:51 PM
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Onlyfans is the female equivalent of becoming a gangster for men. It sounds cool and smart until 5 years later you realise nobody in the real world wants to have anything to do with you, and your only realistic long term venue of having an income is gonna be doing shady stuff.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/01/21 03:43 PM
0

I'm not much into online dating. What is the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 12:31 PM
2

I will delay it as much as possible. I have read the FDA report and they explicitly say they have no idea how it will affect the body long term. There is speculation is may have serious side effects later on. I am in touch with professionals and they say the same. Don't get it unless you've got high risk of dying if you catch COVID.
/r/MGTOW211/01/21 07:51 PM
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I understand. If it wasn't for feminism, most men wouldn't be here... maybe they would be unhappily supporting their families in a traditional society, but at least they would have something to strife for. Nowadays men retreat online in place such as this because they have been pushed to their limits by a mix of general social decadence and extreme gynocentrism. This is a testament of how bad the situation is for men. Nobody cares about male needs and rights, meanwhile women's needs have taken o…
/r/MGTOW209/01/21 09:19 PM
2

Western society today is leaning gynocentric, no doubts. I have said many times in the past that MGTOW is a response to feminism and the destruction of the family unit. I think that labeling MGTOW as anti-feminist is somewhat accurate but calling it misogynistic is just dumb.
/r/MGTOW209/01/21 09:17 PM
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To play devil's advocate, that is the general idea of MGTOW that people get when they look at it from the outside the first times. The only thing I would change is removing the adjectives "misogynistic" and "anti-feminist", because even tho I can see both being used to label some of the men adhering to the general idea of MGTOW, the GYOW point of view certainly isn't misogynistic and not necessarily anti-feminist..
/r/MGTOW209/01/21 03:54 PM
1

Correct. Individual solutions are somewhat present, but the overall situation will eventually erupt in social tensions in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 04:54 AM
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I don't hope for women at large to change. Personally, I already see the effect of dysfuncional families and zero gender roles guidance. The trend is already set and we head into Japan style stagnation here in Europe. Both men and women today are left without any blueprint for interacting with the opposite sex, mainly regarding long term plans. The only people I see building families are poorer folks in the countryside, where space isn't an issue, real estate is cheap, and people are a bit more …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 04:53 AM
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If you go back 20+ years it was much more common for men to approach openly. I know old guys who still cold approach or ask random women if they are married or not and they are in their 50s. They act in a way young men simply aren't conditioned to. Cold approaching in the era of social media seem so creepy and bold to young men. Decades ago men were socially encouraged to be open and courageous, nowadays they get humiliated and perhaps even accused of being aggressors if they ask a woman out. Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 08:32 PM
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You're only halfway there. Yes, I think the bias you're describing exists but I would argue there are several others, most notably that for which married men earn more because they work more, because their wives requires them to do so. In other words, married men seem more successful because they have to be successful, due to having to support a family. Some people might see that as a positive overall, but its hardly so if you consider the great picture. I know single men who earn less than marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 01:33 PM
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Context????
/r/MGTOW222/12/20 01:00 PM
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Sorry to break the spirit of the post, but last time I checked the western world had a huge problem with obesity and not with a lack of weight. Being obese is extremely more common than anorexia and it is a main cause of premature death and also very dangerous for childbirth and fertility. There's no need to remind young women that its natural for them to gain a bit of weight: these changes will happen anyway even if they do their best to remain fit. What we need is actually a culture that promo…
/r/RedPillWomen21/12/20 08:39 AM
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These are all excellent observations and I believe you're correct, even though I think cheating men and women weren't drastically different in % compared to today. On one side, women were more dependent on men economically and as you said had less opportunities to become sluts or divorce-rape their husbands, on the other men were absolutely manipulated into being little workhorses to maintain wifes at home doing menial tasks, baking cakes, and chatting with the neighbours. I think that in any so…
/r/MGTOW220/12/20 10:37 PM
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Never risk your life in someone else's war. If you look close enough at history, all wars were elite's wars. Banksters, politicians, people in power, are those who want wars and do their best to make you think it is an inevitable outcome. They will make you think you are doing the right thing by fighting. No, it is not. Wars can happen, but unless there's some immediate advantage for you, you have no role in it. Historically, the best way to handle wars is to simply avoid them. If a war such as …
/r/MGTOW220/12/20 06:29 AM
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You're wrong. Women then were absolutely hupergamous and as much as today. The only difference is that there was societal pressure against sluts so most cheating women had less chances and less incentives to actually do it. But their instincts were the same. More than that, there was no internet, cameras, mobile phones, so cheating women if smart could easily keep it a secret for longer. Divorce was considered a big failure or outright impossible, so before the 60s women stayed in marriages for …
/r/MGTOW220/12/20 06:22 AM
2

These men simply don't want to support a family and kids. I understand them because I feel the same, even though ideally I would find it the most efficient way to raise kids right. Time have changed. We aren't in the 50s anymore where women can pretend to be good housewives and in return let men do all the work. Feminism and newer family law have completely destroyed any trust that men had in a traditional family. It will take a lot of work to undo the damage feminism has done.
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre19/12/20 04:39 PM
1

A rugged and experienced man still attract attention, given it means he has confidence and competence. How many rugged and experienced 30s women are considered hot? Women's earning potential and experience is sometimes even detrimental to their sexual value. Men's sexual image is also based on beauty, but vastly less then women's. Women's sexuality demands other ingredients, while men's sexuality is mostly tied to beauty and youth. If you're a woman, the earliest you accept it the more success i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 06:32 AM
1

Both men and women age. The difference is that women's attractiveness is mostly tied to their youthfulness and beauty. Men's attractiveness is dependent on more factors, most of them unrelated to age.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 11:55 PM
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In the sexual marketplace yes, but they pay a high price for it. People on this sub are probably young and full of hormones, but women suffer lolineness terribly especially after a certain age and few people here seem to be aware of it. Young men get the short end of the stick but are overall less affected by being single in the long run. After age 30 women who have fucked up their romantic lives are miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 11:11 PM
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Sex is when you really need to bust and nothing more. Love is when you want to bust, but you would also like to make babies and spend time together. Here, made it simple for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 06:06 PM
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Saying that porn is women being exploited is like saying the lion is exploited by the gazzelle he's devouring. Only a feminist can say that.
/r/askTRP10/12/20 07:00 AM
1

Yes.
/r/MGTOW206/12/20 05:41 AM
2

Women use physical violence with weaker individuals or when they know they can get away with it, it has been proven they can be as violent as men. Of course, as women are weaker, they can't usually display said violence without massive risk. In a natural state of things women can mostly use their other forms of non physical aggression with adult men, because unless said women are protected by an underlying social structure they risk heavy consequences from men's retaliation. In prehistoric times…
/r/MGTOW206/12/20 05:40 AM
2

The problem isn't women not picking "right men". The issue are incredibly more profound than that, human interactions have transitioned into a situation which is similar to what we observed in the mouse utopia experiments of the 50s. Google it if you want to know more.
/r/MGTOW205/12/20 11:32 AM
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All of this would not have happened without contraceptives. Historically, people had been more conservative morally and sexually because ANY instance of sex could get you pregnant - so you had to take it seriously. This trend of sexual liberation started in the 60s due to the pill and rubber condoms becoming a viable contraceptive for the masses. Before that, once you found a suitable partner you usually stayed with that for a long time, this doesn't mean people were happier but perhaps they sim…
/r/MGTOW205/12/20 08:17 AM
1

Yeah, to each his own. It may apply to 1 man in 10,000.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 08:00 AM
1

There are things that go beyond whatever makes us comfortable. I don't even know why I have to explain this to random internet people, it's not like these concepts were unknown since antiquity. Gengis Khan had such a strong genetic imprint during its life you can still track its ancestry with million of asian people today. I suppose the concept of legacy has been destroyed so deeply by our modern western "touchy feely" instant gratification culture, that people really can't even grasp it anymore…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 01:34 AM
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I have already specifically mentioned the comparison is ONLY under evolutionarily biology lenses and nothing else. I am not advocating rape. I am not pro rape. We are talking only about these scenarios under the point of view of genetic legacy. The difference lies in the fact that women who get raped end up having children of their own (and pass down their genes) even though they won't mate with whom they want, instead, men and women who raise other people's children (in case these children aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 12:33 AM
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In nature nobody has to consciously decide to spread its genes, it just happens. We are here discussing this only because humans have gone to a point in their evolution where they have great power over their reproductive options. From a biological point of view, this is pretty new, and that's why many people are so mentally unequipped with the choice. It applies with other form of technologies as well (think about the abundance of food and extreme obesity). We're just in a very particular point …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 07:12 PM
1

What feelings?! Should I be happy knowing how my biology works and go directly against it? Saying we are made to propagate is not an opinion or a feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 06:38 PM
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Deviant behaviours. Human are rather complex socially and mentally, so absurd behaviours are to be expected. Especially in a setting such as an overpopulated decadent society where no natural selection takes place in generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 06:28 PM
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Whatever dude. We are the product of billion of years of evolution and we exist because who came before us was adapted to survive and reproduce. You can do whatever you want with your life. Doesn't matter. Doesn't change the fact we are built to reproduce and pass on our genes. No one tells you what you should be doing, but by not reproducing you're breaking a chain of "random events" four billion years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 06:25 PM
2

Yes it is. Unfortunately I'm correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 06:19 PM
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It's not my interpretation. Read the book "the selfish gene" by R.Dawkins.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 04:45 PM
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No, you decided that DNA meant something philosophically important to you outside of what biology say it actually do (generate proteins for your body ect.) It is actually the opposite. We are the shells that protect the DNA, not that DNA exist to serve a purpose to us. This is basic biology. Read "the selfish gene" by R. Dawkins. It will explain in excellent terms what I am trying to say. Biologically speaking, we are machines made to protect and propagate DNA, and not the other way around. It i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 04:24 PM
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You're correct. I should have said that biology does not care about your opinion. Anyway, my point is that biology has rules that go beyond your personal interpretation of them. Either you adapt and propagate, or you die and become history. People willingly cuckholding themselves suffer from an excessive or wrongly placed altruistic behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 03:40 PM
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A mere observation about life is that those who procreate pass down their genetic makeup, all other die and are left forgotten. This is the essence of life. Feelings are well within biology, they exist for a purpose just like anything else related to you and me. Just like anything else that constitute our being, they serve the survival and propagation of our specie. You can choose to believe in whatever you want but what I wrote above are undeniable facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 03:29 PM
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Biology doesn't care about feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 03:09 PM
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If you don't understand why raising another man's child and consequently reducing or outright destroying your chances at passing down your genetic legacy is terrible, then I am not gonna bother explain it to you. Please read a biology book. Moreover, I hardly imagine a scenario where someone who does not want kids of his own would actually benefit from the burden of raising someone else's kid. Kids are expensive and life draining. And being a stepdad also often mean being the guy who "pays when …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 02:39 PM
2

Rape is, in theory, biologically better, at least your children are still yours. For those with hard skulls: I am not downplaying rape, I am simply stating that under a pure biological standpoint, fatherhood is even worse than rape because it leaves you without any legacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 02:27 PM
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I think your assessment is wrong, women in antiquity had skinnier bodies but not muscular as I doubt most women worked that much and especially had the necessary diet and schedule to actually build toned bodies. Most likely, women in antiquity had bodies similar to those you see nowadays in poor rural communities in countries where technology is limited: definitely not obese but also not fit, and they would turn into haggards by 30 due to increased stressors. In most ancient cultures a fat woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 04:19 PM
7

There is a difference between criticising women in a neutral way - as neutral as human can aspire to be - and openly blame women for everything in your life as some men do when they are in the rage phase. Denying that a significant portion of going MGTOW is recognising and reiterating women's toxic behaviours and consequent effect on society is, in my opinion, wrong. Open one sided lyncing as seen on the original MGTOW is cringey and useless: lumping all women in one basket and depict them as pu…
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 10:55 AM
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They say people with addiction problems should be helped and understood. They say you should never leave someone behind. Well, I think that after a certain point it becomes impossible to save a person who's doing everything in its power to destroy his or her life. This woman is lost. Being alcoholic to that point, being so incredibly out of control is not salvageable. We humans like to think otherwise, we like to believe there is still a way, but the amount of damage our mind and body can take i…
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 08:00 AM
6

Yes, that's true. Most women still expect to be treated with preferred treatment (it is impossible to wipe out million of years of evolution), despite what you are saying here and modern feminism. The reason most women and society still cry about sexism is because they cannot admit to themselves that if they have poor results it can't be attributed to potential discrimination anymore as women have requested and gained the same opportunities as men. In most cases, they cry about some minor and na…
/r/MGTOW228/11/20 07:38 AM
5

All women are manipulative and controlling to some extent. That's just because they would not be with you unless they wanted something from you, be it comfort, affection, sex, etc... If you're talking about full blown narcissists, divas, queens, and all other garbage women out there then I have little experience with them as I have always avoided these people. But again, all people even good ones at the end of the day will want something from you and will probably from time to time manipulate th…
/r/MGTOW227/11/20 06:34 PM
2

Then what is the solution?
/r/MGTOW227/11/20 06:03 PM
9

Chivalry has rarely been a winning strategy thought history. Do you think paternity fraud, simping, etc, did not exist before the Internet? Women had it even easier back then, they were basically a protected caste and men were legally expected to provide for them (like now, in part). Women knew then they could abuse men and drain them dry of their resources, just like it happens now. The only difference is that then women also had obligations and social/family stability were considered a priorit…
/r/MGTOW227/11/20 06:01 PM
9

Men are not all rabid sex-driven dogs. And I prefer to be picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 05:56 PM
1

Striving to improve in certain areas you deem important has been therapeutic for me. What could that be for me... For me that has been getting in shape, and bettering my finances. As I have written in my previous post, that includes having found a better job (despite having stayed in the same industry). Fitness is usually a common denominator in self help topics because it works and it's rather satisfying. I however find these to be relatively minor accomplishments, in case you know you're lacki…
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 07:21 PM
1

As someone who has experienced this attitude for years and still lives with it, I think it is a rather understandable behaviour. Asking "Why bother?" might superficially sound as a defeatist stance on life in general, but in my opinion is a necessary step in accepting life for what it is. Why learn a new language when you have no real reason to do it, other than mental masturbation and ego boosting? If no clear, important, and decisive reason exist for learning something as demanding as a new la…
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 07:24 AM
1

Brilliantly put.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 12:40 AM
1

How about you don't pay for the date?
/r/MGTOW214/11/20 08:11 AM
6

In time you will realise you saved yourself many headaches.
/r/MGTOW214/11/20 08:10 AM
2

You don't have to pay for them. You do not have to do anything you think you should or have to do. If you feel the pressure, set up dates where money aren't involved. Considering this time and age, you should act disgusted in case a woman expects you to pay for her. Why would you when women have the same opportunities and income as men? Women need to be called out when they expect special treatments. If you find women who are ready to leave you on the first date because they expect you to pay fo…
/r/MGTOW214/11/20 08:07 AM
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It's like there's a bridge that looks okay but is instead extremely dangerous to traverse, locals know this fact and don't ever cross it; however few people not informed about the stability of the bridge use it from time to time and often fall and die. Yes, you're the idiot saying "let's not fix the bridge and save money, few people use it anyway".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 06:43 AM
9

Not all women are wild cheating whores, some have values (conditions apply). Just because a woman has values and respect them for 3 months or 3 years, it does not mean she won't change down the road when her perception of the relationship changes.
/r/askTRP07/11/20 09:29 AM
1

Everybody wants to go beyond that because the supposed benefit you are stating here is incredibly small in comparison with all the negatives marriage brings, especially for men. ALL women bring up the "who's gonna decide for you when you are comatose in a hospital bed?" card when discussing marriage benefits for men. All my exes did. It's such a rare and specific circumstance, it makes me realise how desperate one must be for you to sign a marriage contract which is, the vast majority of times, …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 08:23 PM
6

You're assuming the wife would choose in her husband's best interest. If this was a benefit for men in marriage (it isn't), the risk of getting divorce raped is ten times greater than the chance of being in a life-death situation and other people express your will correcty. You don't need marriage for this scenario. You can leave a will and other legal documents especially tailored for these situations without getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 09:11 AM
3

The term "objectifying" is already a huge stretch because everyone objectify everyone during most societal interaction and given they don't have a deep personal connection with them. When I am at a grocery store, I must be objectify whoever is at the checkout because I just see them as a momentary superficial human interaction just to scan my groceries, before getting back home. When you are in a crowd, you surely don't care about everyone there especially, for example, if you're rushing somewhe…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 07:28 AM
1

Love makes you do stupid stuff. Who the hell marries a woman from another culture so quickly? I think the guy in the video lacked someone to ground him and wake him up from his blue pill mentality. Men need to be educated since early to treat marriage exactly as women do - a business opportunity. They need to understand love cannot be the only reason to be getting in with a woman. Personally, I see marriage having sense maybe only if and when it is used to unite two rich families. For all other …
/r/MGTOW224/10/20 07:54 AM
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I have watched a few weeks ago a video about "videogame addiction", the author went on for ten minutes about how videogames ruined his life because this addiction prevented him from building a "real life" and "marry and have kids". Well, he might be right that videogame addiction prevented him from bettering himself, but he'll never realize it also probably prevented him from making stupid mistakes like falling into society's expectations. While he's sad because he "wasted" his early life in vid…
/r/MGTOW223/10/20 09:52 PM
2

I don't understand why any of my points aren't discussed on a logical basis, and instead people jump on the bandwagon and attack me personally (like you had any idea of who I am in real life). What I wanted to achieve here is helping people have some self reflection and awareness on why, in my view, you should not "be okay" dating single moms. Honestly, personal attacks are so puerile it makes me question my intelligence when I attempt at discussing these things with people who act this way and …
/r/PussyPassDenied22/10/20 01:50 PM
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Thank you for the polite answer, unfortunately sometimes I get less than nice responses for discussing sensible topics such as this. I admire your willingness to evaluate each person differently, I am however convinced that if we talk about kids it is hard to not make pre-judgments. The things I brought up in my previous post are bound to happen, sooner or later. A kid definitely complicate things in a way that cannot be foreseen in advance. Same applies to the mother: it is already hard to eval…
/r/PussyPassDenied22/10/20 11:07 AM
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Everyone is entitled to his opinion. You and me. But before labeling me slur words, please read. What I want to convey is that dating single mothers is not preferable at best and extremely dangerous at worst. Yes, you can date a single mother and it may be even be better than dating a single woman without children, surely at the start of the relationship. Usually single mothers seek stable and reliable guys, and are aware of the fact having a child from a previous relationship makes them less in…
/r/PussyPassDenied22/10/20 07:19 AM
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Nothing wrong with a single mom and kid. You still have a lot of growing up, me thinks....
/r/PussyPassDenied22/10/20 06:37 AM
2

You can tell who writes this is a woman of very low quality because she does not realise monogamy simply reshaped sexual selection so that individuals of similar attractiveness would end up together. "Higher quality women understand that "quality men" exist and are being matched with more attractive women. If you removed monogamy and put all sexual selection on men, I am not sure you would get out of that men of "higher quality". It would probably end up that hyper aggressive and psychopatic men…
/r/MGTOW222/10/20 06:33 AM
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So you see nothing wrong with you choosing to date: A. Single mum with toddler. B. Long distance relationship. C. Trash trailer park family of 11. I'd say from the bottom of my heart you need to learn to choose better women mate. Do you hate yourself so much?
/r/PussyPassDenied22/10/20 05:54 AM
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I think your point is that men in particular feel the need to justify their positions with studies or data, and women don't feel this need the same way. After all, if you browse Reddit you'll see plenty of data and discussions on why men, for example, prefer younger chicks, but very few on why women prefer bad boys. I believe men feel the need to explain and rationalise because we are naturally more prone to being evaluated for our choices. A woman, especially in this day and age, can say "X" ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 05:45 AM
12

Why would you date someone with a family like that...
/r/PussyPassDenied22/10/20 05:36 AM
7

Open google Maps and take the time to look up how many remote cities there are in this world. A person can surely disappear and start over, given he has a bit of money to bootstrap himself.
/r/MGTOW221/10/20 09:56 PM
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Thank you, I'll check it out
/r/MGTOW219/10/20 10:58 AM
2

Well, if most of society was catered to your needs and wants, and at the same time you are constantly told that you are the victim [because people in power want you to not form families and not to reproduce], then everyone would slowly become a leech. Even if women were replaced by artificial incubators, I think we would still observe preferred treatments favouring them. The biology behind it is too deeply rooted in our specie.
/r/MGTOW219/10/20 06:37 AM
1

Good luck with that. If we are talking about meta issues regarding our current society, maybe. But women will always be considered more intrinsically valuable than men. It's biology.
/r/MGTOW219/10/20 01:10 AM
2

My entire point is that no matter how you rearrange society... you'll still get gynocentrism. Our society is feminist and gynocentric. A traditional society has no feminism but is still gynocentric. Which one do you prefer? It's not a rethorical question, I would be happy to accept different views.
/r/MGTOW219/10/20 12:51 AM
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In my country, guys like myself with a decent job but no children end up paying a lot of taxes. In the end, it is around 50% of what you earn. People with families can get huge tax breaks. If I had children, I could reduce my taxes in half at least. So I am indirectly subsiding these people. Plus, a good portion of what I pay goes for universal healthcare which pays for old people and children for the most part. But I am less concerned by that. The real scam is what follows: A huge portion of th…
/r/MGTOW218/10/20 07:53 AM
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Nobody cares until they have to foot the bill. Do you think legislators and politicians give a damn about poor people's children? As long as they are good slaves, all is fine. They don't mind men being ridden with child support. Maybe it's even better... they are essentially debt slaves for at least 18 years, so at the end of the day they're more docile members of society.
/r/MGTOW217/10/20 10:20 AM
9

Definitely too complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 10:17 AM
3

A return to traditionalism and a recognition of red pill ideologies is on the way and it is a good thing. It was inevitable after the last decades in which feminism has destroyed dating and families. To the people afraid of that I ask... What would be the alternative? Descend even more into a feminist dystopia? Men nowadays are treated very poorly by society, when traditionalism will become more mainstream because women will have realized the consequences of a highly feminist society, men will s…
/r/MGTOW217/10/20 06:30 AM
3

No, never having experienced sex will eventually wear on your mind. Get a professional escort and explain to her you wanna try the girlfriend experience. Pick someone young and sweet. You can live a life without sex if you already have some experience and it is a decision you truly feel yours. Remaining virgin in adult life will always haunt you in the back of your mind, especially if you always suffered rejection. After you experimented, don't be stupid and remind yourself of the reasons why we…
/r/MGTOW215/10/20 11:18 AM
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They will think they are the problem because the whole society makes them feel guilty they are born men - because men have "provilege" and "unfairly earn more than women". Young gullible men need to know what feminist say is total manipulation.
/r/MGTOW214/10/20 06:40 AM
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Encouraged? I see women being heavily encouraged to pursue any field they may like. Honeslty your argument does not make sense in our current education environment.
/r/MGTOW214/10/20 06:03 AM
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We need these kind of easy to read infographic because young men need to understand they aren't the problem.
/r/MGTOW214/10/20 05:56 AM
2

Your view is spot on - I would only add "companionship" which is one of the major reasons people end up together nowadays. Especially later in life. But biologically speaking that could reasonably fall into security, because companionship is essentially a mechanism/need/instinct of wanting to not be alone to better weather psychological and practical life challenges.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/20 05:49 AM
1

Sincere answers from a man (30yo): The first one is a pretty cool dude, who works at walmart. The second is the famous rapper Lil'Jay-X (or insert any celebrity you like here). They both text you and ask if you want to hang out the same evening, so you have to choose. Which one do you hang out with, the rich and successful, or the walmart employee? If they both give me the same sexual vibes, I would pick the one working a real job because it looks more stable even if he got less money. Who wants…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 11:36 AM
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Nowadays finances are a common topic of discussion, if she wants to build a future with you she rightfully need to know how reliable you are financially. The issue come when men don't do the same to women in the "age of equality" and end up with free loaders on their backs. I don't blame women for considering financial reliability important, as long as they don't jump to the conclusion they are exempt from the same scrutiny and obligations. Good luck on your job hunting.
/r/MGTOW213/10/20 05:57 AM
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If women ever achieved global sex strike, don't worry, men will organize a world strike too and society as a whole will collapse in two days. In all seriousness, this is pathetic and manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 07:39 AM
1

?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 10:49 PM
1

So true it's scary.
/r/MGTOW205/10/20 04:50 AM
1

Considering the quality of women nowadays, I totally understand.
/r/MGTOW203/10/20 06:04 AM
1

Simply put, if you want to build up a society you value men. If a society is already built up, like in the west, then men appear obsolete and women get considered less disposable in comparison. The term "appear" in my previous phrase is crucial.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 08:25 PM
1

I think you can enjoy women (especially if you keep your expectations in check) while still understanding them intimately.
/r/MGTOW202/10/20 10:33 AM
1

The mere act of sex is just a very small part of sexuality. There is also genuine desire, intimacy, reciprocal understanding, cuddles, back rubs, bed talks, love, playful fighting, sexiting, etc..... Men paying for only fans are seeking some form of genuine special connection they dont think they can find anywhere else.
/r/MGTOW201/10/20 10:42 PM
2

I don't idolise any woman because of her appearance, and certainly won't follow trashthots on Instagram or Twitter. The men who do must still be looking for the self respect and self control they lost along the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 09:08 PM
1

I've been eyeing crossfit for a while now. I regularly work out on my own with bodyweight and weighted vest exercises, so crossfit looks naturally inviting to me. I can't get past two things. First, crossfit gyms are expensive beyond any reasonable measure. All the crossfit gyms I see cost 2 or more times a regular gym. Secondly, some exercises in crossfit are performed in harmful ways, as with quick explosive movements with heavy weights.
/r/MGTOW229/09/20 10:41 AM
4

Hard to switch off billion of years of evolution. But yeah, personally every time I see an extremely good looking woman an alarm goes off in my head. If you internalize what I wrote above, you may even end up being almost turned off by someone too attractive: they in fact often feel as superior over everything else and that's not sexy. On the other hand, certain traits in women (very specific facial features and temperament), drive me crazy even when the woman is objectively unattractive.
/r/MGTOW229/09/20 05:56 AM
3

This is an excellent point and I appreciate you brought it up. I do believe there is some truth in what you said but it's extremely situational. I think in the majority of cases, if a woman didn't like you to the point of refusing you in your 20s, I doubt you can change so drastically in her eyes (on the mere physical realm) in your 30s to switch completely her perception of you. But I can see a woman which moderately liked you in her 20s, might be more interested in you in your 30s, because you…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 10:19 PM
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Too many men idolize women to the point of being blinded by any red flag. Women do exactly the same with the "bad boys", it's the curse of beauty. And the curse of beauty does not stop here, even the people idolized end up with messed up lives because they take many things for granted and often get extremely depressed once they get too old to keep enjoying all the attention. There is a thing as "too ugly to date" as much as there is a "too beautiful to date". Stay away from women who are too att…
/r/MGTOW228/09/20 10:12 PM
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That is precisely the point. Men become "more attractive" as we age also because we evolve into better, more stable providers. Women, as they age, simply lose value. Now, how would you feel knowing your partner is with you only because now you've got more money and she has gained 10 kilos? Besides, yes, if you didn't like me when I was 23 and now you seek me because other options have expired, you can go off yourself. Be serious. Would you get with a man that suddenly likes you ONLY because he g…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:43 PM
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It is not supposed to be individual specific for it to make sense. Men get rejected by most women when they are younger, therefore when they see most women interested in them only once they hit 30, they correctly assume a part of these women wouldn't have dated him when he was younger. You can call it a generalization and it is so. But even if you don't know for sure what that specific woman would have done if you asked her out 10 years ago, you can roughly assume she would have refused you... b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 09:25 AM
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Just because you found a woman who isn't abusing the system at her advantage now, it doesn't mean you have to bind to her legally for life. I'm happy you found a woman who's not completely corrupted by feminism, you see it as a big accomplishment, I see it as the bare minimum. You two might end up being together long term but if you're thinking about marriage you're still playing society's game. She might change. You might change. The law might change (even for prenups). And at the end of the da…
/r/MGTOW228/09/20 06:05 AM
1

I don't block people because unless you're a spammer, I respect other people's opinions even when I don't like them. I am for freedom of speech, and the real one, not the "I'll allow you to talk as long as you don't make me uncomfortable" shit kind we often experience today in media. My long post was to convey my personal situation in details because my virtues were called in question in your post. You can say it was also a mix of self reflection but everything I have written there is true. What…
/r/MGTOW226/09/20 07:25 AM
1

Personal attacks are always so silly, especially when you don't know anything about the person you are talking to. I have never did illegal drugs in my entire life, not even pot. Never smoked one single cigarette (I hate smoke). I had been fitness oriented most of my life. No random hookup either. Currently, I have been dieting without consuming sugar food, processed carbohydrates, and other junk food for about a year now. I workout at least three times a week and I'm currently training to perfo…
/r/MGTOW225/09/20 01:27 PM
1

The real issue with most people is not having low willpower, but finding a strong, realistic and inspiring goal for themselves. Improving for the sake of improving is just self masturbation unless you have a defined goal or purpose. People are generally willed, given they get inspired by something they see as absolutely worth while. In my personal experience, I have used personal improvement as a coping mechanism to the adversity of life. Life's a tragedy for everyone, and I can say i had experi…
/r/MGTOW225/09/20 08:08 AM
2

A man that always improve, is strong and independent, and isn't afraid to do what pleases him will ALWAYS be somewhat respected by others. Maybe not loved, but respected.
/r/MGTOW225/09/20 06:17 AM
0

Probably because women over 30 face many more challenges in dating compared to men the same age. The opposite applies when men and women are under 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 04:55 AM
4

That makes sense, in a natural state all men desire 1. Gold (riches) and 2. Women.
/r/MGTOW222/09/20 07:40 AM
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They'll never admit it not only because it sounds horrible, but also because sometimes women don't even seem to fully realise how often they employ these concepts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 08:50 PM
10

They'll never admit it openly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 08:38 PM
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They have made marriage obsolete, by forcing society as a whole to bend to their needs. They don't need men in their daily lives to do their bidding anymore, hiring quotas, child support, social programs, and a huge dose of modern comfort are all that's necessary. Feminism was essentially created for this exact purpose.
/r/MGTOW221/09/20 04:56 PM
4

I would dare to say, if men and women are treated the same by society then the risks for both behaviours are pretty comparable. If you have a feminist society, then a man cheating is frowned more than a woman "upgrading" from her husband, and you get an apparent imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 04:53 PM
1

Just put in equal effort. When it comes to approaching, ideally should be mutual from the start. On average, I think women should approach as much as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 06:58 PM
3

I approach. I am simply stating it is ridiculous for women to never approach, even when they like the guy. All my meaningful encounters with women were those in which the woman also played an active role, matching my interest. I can't be bothered with women who think they're too good, too entitled, too "princesses" to actually show interest and put as much effort as the man. As I said, women like that show a lack of character.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 06:56 PM
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Perhaps you're right men are not less picky than women. But in our modern society things are not as they were in 1500s England. We dont have gender roles anymore. Why would men carry the burden of asking women out anymore, when they have also discouraged this behaviour as you eloquently reminded? And above all else, why would I value a woman that does not even have the balls to ask me out when she's clearly into me? Do you think being an active, interested, and healthy partner is a requirement o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 07:20 AM
0

Or women would end up being more aware of their dating choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 07:05 AM
3

Well, your mentality is that men who don't ask a woman they like out is lazy. How do you think I see a woman who clearly likes me but doesn't want to do the first move? At that point women might as well just fuck themselves. What do they need lazy disinterest men for? If I like a woman I'll ask her out. What use do I have for a woman who can't even ask someone she likes out? It definitely shows a lack of character, among other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 07:03 AM
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I am well aware of when a woman is into me, I know the clues, signs, body language. But you know what? I am tired of women who expect men to do the first move. There are few women who put in as much effort as men and it shows a totally different mentality behind. Biology is important but social conditioning has a huge role in this as well - women wanted to ditch gender roles and known dating schemes so in my view it only makes sense if they started taking responsibility for their dating lives. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 06:52 AM
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I knew many girls in school who really liked someone or were upset about never having dated but they wouldn't even think to ask them out. This is a fundamental issue in a society that professes equality. It shouldn't be this way. Wouldn't men just say yes to every girl who is moderately attractive and then use many of them for sex? I could easily see that happening and that's if we even get women to all start approaching men and men to all stop approaching women. I don't think we would see much …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 06:47 AM
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Comically and unfortunately, women like men more when men do the approaching. It plays more on their egos which is how women's sexuality works, and I think women project how they feel about themselves onto others too. If a guy is making them feel cute/sexy and desirable, they'll find him sexier and more desirable as well. I can't talk for other men and perhaps it would be productive to do a study on it, but personally this applies to me as well 100%. I would prefer to go out with the 5/10 that m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 06:41 AM
1

Could someone define what a decent human being would be in this case? In my experience you don't necessarily need to be a bastard son of a bi*ch to get attention from women. It takes a lot of work into your appearance and confidence in what you're doing. Most of all, it also takes the will to explore opportunities for romantic conquests when they take form in front of you. By that I mean not being afraid to ask numbers and show interest at the first sign of interest, and in my personal experienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 06:44 AM
1

What you dont realize is that even good looking men often struggle for attention, merely because women simply tend to put in much less work when it comes to seeking the other sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 03:02 PM
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Men, on the other hand, don't get validated until they've gotten laid. This is so wrong. Men get validated even when they just get desired. We are so starved from attention we would be happy just knowing women like us.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 05:22 AM
1

I am not with a woman to which I have to ask permission to do something. A good % of men are with women who want to often control them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 05:55 PM
3

Just so you know, if all men did this, ~80% of couples would break up. I see so many times women forcing men to drop hobbies, almost never the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 06:13 AM
2

If a woman ever complained to me about unpaid emotional labour, then I will remind her of all the unpaid consolation, depression counselling, cuddling, company, entertainment, car fixes, driving tours, vacations, sex, etc etc... that I performed in my life to my exes. Do you see how dumb that sounds?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 06:59 AM
0

Nurturing, decorating, baking, cooking, sewing, etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 07:49 PM
3

And?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 07:49 PM
4

Everything comes easy when you're TOP 1% in desirability.
/r/TheRedPill14/09/20 07:06 AM
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The opposite would not work, at all. We would just think you're a slut or attention seeker. I guess a good picture for a female would be her dressed very feminine (flower dress?) doing girly stuff. We're in desperate need of femininity, of the good, caring, selfless, compassionate kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 06:59 AM
20

I've seen so many crises go by these last years, I don't believe hard times will ever come back unless a nuclear war breaks out. Most likely, we will have a slow descent into economic hardship and stagnation.
/r/MGTOW214/09/20 06:40 AM
4

Women don't understand when men prefer youth and beauty over everything else because they would never do so - it's like explaining to a cow why a lion prefers eating meat instead of grass. Anyhow, on the flip side someone like Zac Efron could actually aspire at more than a young beautiful body, he could aspire to a beautiful woman which also has money and a good family. I dont know much about this lady but andling a young waitress when you're a multimillion dollar star can end pretty badly for y…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/09/20 03:45 PM
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In short, yes.
/r/MGTOW213/09/20 04:35 AM
2

I would argue that women cycles are a bit more important biologically speaking, because they have more well defined constraints. On the other hand: I'm disputing the idea that physiological differences between men and women are socially discussed as having more or less importance for one gender compared to the other. Please look into men's mental illnesses awareness vs women's. Same for medical research. Also, men's suicide rates would like to have a word with you.
/r/MGTOW212/09/20 09:38 PM
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No, serum testosterone drops back to normal levels. To repeat the cycle I think you have to ejaculate again. People who experimented with long term semen retention reports that after that it becomes more likely to have wet dreams.
/r/MGTOW212/09/20 06:46 PM
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I don't understand your point. Have you ever heard of men's period? No? Well maybe it has to do with the fact that most people do not care when it comes to men's sexuality.
/r/MGTOW212/09/20 03:27 PM
2

Some MGTOW possess the toxic mentality you describe here "I can't get women or enjoy women therefore I will avoid them", and I will agree some end up in a cycle of avoidance-disappointment-rage. However, most MGTOW are genuine guys who enjoy and normally appreciate the opposite sex, but they have either been burned by harsh family courts or past experiences in which they have experienced difficulties just because they're men. Considering the state of family courts and culture in general (heavily…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 03:07 PM
1

If you look at this from a meta perspective, judges are crazy. No discussion. If you look at this in the contexts of gynocentric laws, it might make sense as this guy was acting as his husband the whole time and is definitely an idiot. We live in 🤡🌍
/r/TheRedPill12/09/20 07:06 AM
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Honeslty, the only issue I may have with the "HVM or LVM" mentality is that it doesn't leave space for middle ground. You're either seen and classified as "the shit" everybody wants, or you're pure trash. I think women already tend to think that way naturally and I believe it would benefit everyone if we didn't encourage this black and white approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 06:55 PM
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It depends on how attractive you are. I dont have much experience but I would imagine desired guys can have good experiences. Right? And getting attractive is not only being good looking, but also being smart, working on yourself, etc...
/r/MGTOW210/09/20 05:43 PM
3

Can someone give me some data on OnlyFans? Reading on reddit it seems every woman has an account. What is the percentage of women 18-30 or 18-25 who has an active account???
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 10:13 AM
1

Simply conclusion - you can do both. You can have your "slutty experiences" just like women often allow themselves to, and also chase a decent career and find a higher purpose. As I said before: balance.
/r/MGTOW210/09/20 05:56 AM
1

Well, if you decide to sleep with many women it should be a pursuit you chase in order to show yourself you're worth it, and not to others, in the first place. I think that in life balance is important. Bettering yourself for you is probably the most important objective, but exploring has also a time and space in one's development. I am afraid fhat if you let too many opportunities go, you'll always wonder what could have happened. In my life I have always avoided casual sex and promiscuity by c…
/r/MGTOW210/09/20 05:03 AM
2

What do you mean? If you are referring about one's reputation on the workplace, which is the only area in which I am careful of how I present myself, then I'd say I might prefer not getting in trouble.
/r/MGTOW209/09/20 09:25 PM
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I mostly dont care what people think of me, only what I think of myself and I care about my image when it's important, for example at my workplace. And that's a problem too, because if you had been conditioned by others to be expendable, you might still not have your priorities in order even if you dont care about what other thinks.
/r/MGTOW209/09/20 07:46 PM
1

Rational thinking wasnt invented after 2003.
/r/MGTOW209/09/20 07:44 PM
3

I would never do something as adopting a child just to make my partner happy. That's insane.
/r/MGTOW209/09/20 07:17 PM
4

I think it's a myth women spread because it removes from them any responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 07:16 PM
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If you watch movies from the 30'/40' you'll notice that female actors sometimes say "I should ask my husband...." and something of the sort, nowadays men are simply conditioned to be subservient and women are encouraged to be independent and rebellious. It's all by design. So that families are as unstable as possible and men have less power in their homes, and mind you, not that before men had the upper hand but they at least could expect their women to be attentive and respectful in public.
/r/MGTOW209/09/20 05:27 AM
1

Exactly.
/r/MGTOW207/09/20 07:38 PM
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1.)Men do truly value looks so much more than personality that they will trade you up if given the chance. My sole value to men is how fuckable I am, I will never be a great beauty hence why I will never get the treatment I deserve from a partner. First of all, you don't deserve anything. Respect, love, attention, etc.. is all earned in life either by what you are or what you can do. Look is important to men (especially when they are young) but no amount of beauty will make up for a shitty perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 10:54 AM
1

Whatever she says dont pay. Put in enough to pay YOUR part. It's a matter of respect: your time is as valuable as hers.
/r/MGTOW207/09/20 09:05 AM
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A good portion of women nowadays are loud, entitled, and as you described, they will use any mental gymnastic to use their sexuality and at the same time deny any responsibility associated with it. I'd like to add that not all women are the same or think the same. Not all are so openly idiotic. I say this because I am certain in the next decades we will see more and more women slipping back into traditionalism, and calling out toxic feminism. It's important that you remember this because AWALT. …
/r/MGTOW207/09/20 08:47 AM
1

How many women are active on OnlyFans? It can't be that every woman end up posting there.
/r/MGTOW207/09/20 05:57 AM
1

I lost my virginity at 18 and never had much problem laying, but I gotta say I'm proud of this guy because this little guide is GOLD. Good job.
/r/seduction04/09/20 06:18 PM
1

Modern society have robbed men of almost all sense of accomplishment they were able to have in the past, and they're no longer respected for doing anything. I actually think men not being respected anymore is a bigger part of why some men no longer bother with women, not the unfair divorce courts or some other thing they usually talk about. You're goddamn right. "The greatest happiness is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see those dear to them b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 06:12 PM
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This is the classical "who hurt you?" trick and it gets old real fast. I've met many feminists discussing feminism like some form of higher moral and social understanding.... and they all ended up showing, in practice, to be huge sexists, essentially evaluating every topic under the lenses of female interests and preaching male disposability. Feminism is pure cancer.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 01:34 PM
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The song doesn't support sex for sexual pleasure, it supports sex as a weapon to manipulate men into doing everything the woman wants. The song literally says "gimme everything for this pu**y". Feminist call it empowering because they know it's a display of toxic sexuality with the end goal of manipulating and extracting favors. A male version of the song with a similar moral tone, would be a song about a man using his strength and fame to coerce women into sex. Or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 05:50 AM
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A man is a man if he has a pepee and balls. That's it. Speaking of personal perspective, I felt I had finally grown up around 16 when I realized I was alone and had to fed for myself alone. Sometimes it's some mistakes from my past surfacing back up that sends me into a spiral of resentment and regret. It can happen to anybody. Dont let it overcome you, perhaps it can be useful as motivation to do better, but that's it. You dont like your job? Simply change.
/r/MGTOW203/09/20 11:32 AM
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Heartbreaking. I would even be ready to morally accept these stats if men were rightfully praised for the herculean efforts they put in to maintain society. But we don't. Women have successfully disconnected women from the source of their providers, now they don't have to deal with anyone except daddy government.
/r/MGTOW203/09/20 11:26 AM
3

Go for a walk in the park as a date. Plenty of free options.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 07:39 AM
3

I know it's hard to do, but just ignore her
/r/MGTOW201/09/20 05:54 AM
1

Can you give us ages? It would help understand
/r/MGTOW201/09/20 05:31 AM
2

I would fail at no energy drinks, not gonna lie :)
/r/MGTOW201/09/20 05:29 AM
1

Women can't be compared to men, for them sex is a slightly riskier experience and they tend to be more selective of the partners they lay with. I don't know if women are generally as horny as men, maybe not during the same stages of life and not in the same way. I would imagine women can be really horny but only under certain circumstances and especially after a certain age (as their testosterone levels increase), for men it is the opposite. Now that I am entering in my 30s and having a first sl…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 10:13 PM
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Life is hard for everyone but what you wrote here certainly applies to a decent chunk of modern women. I think the career/no family path is a viable option for a minority of women who are actually willing and able to benefit from a more independent life... but for the majority of them it ultimately becomes their biggest regret in life. I know a multitude of women who simply did what society expected of them and partied and studied to get nonsensical degrees in their 20', and now find themselves …
/r/MGTOW230/08/20 04:12 AM
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Dude, your content is always on point and balanced. You have the same deep logical understanding of MGTOW topics but you are also fair and respectful. You never sound too extreme, yet you deliver cold hard truths. I love it. Keep up the good work. I look forward to seeing your channel grow but I pray you won't change your core values over time, as some other content creators have.
/r/MGTOW227/08/20 07:21 PM
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Well said!
/r/RedPillWomen27/08/20 04:11 AM
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I had been with a woman who had, and mostly still has, a difficult temperament, a tendency to not improving and treated me like hell when she had her depressive episodes. Our relationship lasted 10 years. People don't chance. Women do not certainly change by the power of your direct help, perhaps they might indirectly because they finally realise they have to adapt and improve to get your attention again. That's what happened in my long relationship with her. You have to find someone who's flaws…
/r/MGTOW227/08/20 01:12 AM
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He seems like a good guy, the kind of man who feels the pressure to "not waste a woman's time" and "provide and protect". No doubt he was a great man to be in a relationship with. I would bet he dumped you because he simply started imagining his life with a woman in it long term. He saw himself getting emotionally involved to the point in which he would have done anything for you, he then probably imagined himself going through an almost inevitable bad breakup years down the road. Sadly, there a…
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 06:26 PM
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Revoking consent as a concept sounds incredibly stupid when it comes to acts like sex. You can regret it, or communicate DURING the act that you don't want it to continue, but that's different. If a woman unequivocally asks a man to stop having sex (and we are sure she's not playing her stupid rape fantasy) then maybe it can be considered rape. But when it is rape? After one second she tells him? After one minute of her asking and him not stopping? What if he didn't listen the first time? You ca…
/r/MGTOW225/08/20 09:08 PM
1

Interesting take, I suppose you're right. Sometimes I laught when I hear the term "bad boy" or "asshole", most of the times these people are just assertive and direct, they're just essentially NOT clingy stupid men who bought into the feminine imperative. I've been called an asshole so many times and just because I defended my views and positions. Basically for women, asshole often translates to "strong and assertive".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 08:54 PM
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I admit I fail to compute why he would be "good" or "bad" in this situation depending on his choice here. I was thinking he rejected her because he's probably not an idiot and knows he's risking being accused of rape the morning after. I don't see how he might be an asshole for accepting. I don't see why he should be praised for refusing, maybe cautious... but "good"? What's the point here, again?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 08:31 PM
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Because you don't think about what kind of man onlyfan really targets. Porn must look improbable, impersonal, detached, to the average low tier man who had few or no sexual experiences. I suppose onlyfan gives him that sense of personalization, "making him feel special", that he's truly seeking out there but can't find. Men don't only want sex, they want the whole fantasy.
/r/MGTOW225/08/20 08:27 PM
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If you are a man and get married, then you can revoke consent to the union and therefore skip any responsibility or legal law regarding marriage. Sounds fair?
/r/MGTOW225/08/20 08:23 PM
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Sorry? Care to explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 08:20 PM
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Again with this crap? Wome want a man who is confident, capable, etc.... in few words a man "with many options". Morality plays a secondary role. Sometimes, men who have these characteristics are assholes... in fact if you're a strong person who takes no crap from other people you'll eventually be hated by some people, just because you're acting in your own best interest and you're showing off confidence and non-compliance. That's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 08:03 PM
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Sorry to sound blunt, but the lack of self awareness you show in this post is incredible. Even in your personal example, you admit that your current BF essentially did not care if his ex and you didn't have an elite college education. The only person that seem to "look down on you" is his mother, you haven't mentioned his father so I suppose he's quite okay with his son dating less than elitist women. Here we go. Even in your example, it's exclusively women who seem to be concerned the most abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 05:47 AM
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I would definitely love to have kids. The reasons I don't have any yet is due to all the reasons listed here by others MGTOWs - I don't want to be in a situation where they will be used against me emotionally and might even be taken away from me for no reason. As you said, kids will change your life and drain your time/energies away. That's the basic sacrifice a person needs to accept in order to have kids and raise them, sadly nowadays men in that situation additionally need to accept all the a…
/r/MGTOW224/08/20 06:41 AM
1

Legacy? We don't even need children for that nowadays. With the advances we have made, a simple video on YouTube could be your legacy. Your achievement in your field could be your legacy. Your videos could be online long after you have passed and long after your children have passed. The content and the achievements from people who are dead and gone is their legacy. Prince's Purple rain album. The Rev from Avenged Sevenfold. Mohammad Ali's numerous fight videos that we all still go back and refe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 08:14 PM
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I keep reading about childless people claiming that "your genes will fade out anyway in a few generations". Like, no, that's not how it works. At all. Your specific genetic markup will get diluted but genes currently present in your DNA will still live on. They will spread far and wide. If you reproduce, parts of you will still go on in the game of life as long as your descendants have offspring. We can still retroactively discover descendants of Gengis Khan across Asia, and we can do that via h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 12:53 PM
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We are more than just our biology. This is the quintessential philosophical ruse that men tell themselves to feel better about their condition in life. We want to believe we can escape from our biology, but it's not actually true. We're still fleshy animals. I do understand and support people who don't want to have children or want to "go their own way", and you can believe that life has the meaning you give it to it. It may even be an admirable endeavor. However, bottom line, we are animals jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 09:18 AM
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No, he's correct. I view MGTOW as a reaction to the extreme anti male environment we live in, but it's not an ideal condition overall. We don't have to reproduce to be successful in life. Alright. Reproductive success is literally biologically bound, if you don't reproduce you're technically a failure by definition. Biologically speaking. Then you can tell yourself whatever but that's reality. I don't tell you the above to upset you, I just believe we shouldn't take the situation lightly. You sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 04:42 AM
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Sadly, you're right. That's why being a mgtow is a form of rebellion, it is a painful reaction to an environment that has become excessively anti-male. This should let you know how hard it is for men nowadays. If they choose to not chase women, it must mean the odds are REALLY stacked against their favors, and not only in a superficial way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 04:39 AM
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Yes, I really hope humanity will progress and launch to the stars, but it's much more probable we will experience a slow collapse and go back to tribal societies. If we lose our best ability to progress and maintain our modern societies, we're fucked. We are going in that direction. I predict we will come to a point where society as we know it collapses and we will have an extremely long period of scientific stagnation and socioeconomic regression. It will be like the middle ages again. Maybe th…
/r/MGTOW221/08/20 10:35 PM
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“No, I’m talking about my college boyfriends. You’re ok though, I spent my 20s having amazing sex with beautiful guys, I’m ready to settle down with you.” Dude, from the bottom of my heart, don't you have some self respect? I will admit I am currently in a LTR with a woman who told me she had more partners than I had, including one night stands. If she didn't prove to me I was for her the best, or at least one of the best, she ever had sexually and emotionally, I wouldn't have stayed with her on…
/r/MGTOW221/08/20 09:59 PM
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In essence, yes. Most men don't have a significant stake in society and the consequences of this are apparent to anyone who isn't completely sold on post modernism. Men today are significantly less involved, driven, and ambitious than in the past decades. If a man knows he won't get any real benefit or authority along with the enormous responsibilities he is called upon as a citizen, as a husband, and as a good workbee, then he will not take on these responsibilities. He'll just do the bare mini…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 09:46 PM
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This is the MGTOW manifesto. Flawless and logically based.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 09:31 PM
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This
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/08/20 12:17 AM
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Thanks for doing God's work. Post saved.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/08/20 12:15 AM
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Dude, you have to accept that idiots will always exists around you. People who would discard you just because you don't have degree X are surely people who have little value to offer. Don't let the evil of those people taint you. Keep improving, you NEED to improve, but do so to become a better person and not to adhere to some idiot with a vagina who had everything good in their life given to them for free.
/r/MGTOW218/08/20 05:30 PM
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Smartphones and video games. Faster, superficially better, addictive; but they prevent people from developing the skills to engage in actual real life interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 12:57 PM
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I solidly laughed for one minute straight 🤡
/r/PussyPassDenied17/08/20 04:30 PM
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In her defence, today's women are bombarded with the idea that you need to show off as much as possible of your body to be liked by a man. That tattoos are attractive (they are, at least for men like myself, but they don't exactly scream "serious relationship"). That talking about exes, about abuse, etc... is cool and okay on a first date (it is rude, for both men and women). She seems just another insecure and brainwashed modern girl. At least she paid for you, which means she's really interest…
/r/MGTOW217/08/20 04:43 AM
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Save up a few thousands, find a cheap country to move to, and get any job there. Anything is better than paying for your exwife's new boyfriends Playstation 5.
/r/MGTOW216/08/20 11:28 AM
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Dude just take your money and move somewhere else! Look for countries who will not hand over americans and you are set. The world is so huge, everybody deserves a second chance.
/r/MGTOW216/08/20 10:32 AM
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Of course, yes. Single mothers are biologically undateable.
/r/MGTOW216/08/20 07:52 AM
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Just don't get married then. You literally do not require to marry to procreate and be with someone you love, from where I am from people dont marry anymore and just cohabitate. This idea that people have to somehow marry otherwise they can't be together derives from the historical need of women to satisfy their sexual imperatives. Resources and protection. Now that women work and do whatever they want anyway irrespective of their men's well being, marrying is simply stupid. If you can't find a …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 09:15 PM
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You should always be ready for hard times, possess financial levels of support (cash - gold - supplies), and a net of social support. Be anti fragile as Taleb Nassim says. As an outsider from Europe, US's political climate has been unnaturally divisive for a few years now. I don't honestly know if something big is gonna happen soon, probably not due to the elections.
/r/MGTOW212/08/20 08:54 PM
2

Are you off any responsibilities now?
/r/MGTOW206/08/20 11:01 PM
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Well you may say it is not a need, but I am pretty sure a man who gets laid a lot is a bit merrier than one who is on monk mode and haven't seen a woman in years. Not because women are special and bla bla bla, just because we are men. The title of my post was "you can't be 100% happy" without some women interaction and I still think it's true for most of us, because if we could choose to have sex at command with God tier women for free, we would chose to do so. Just like having more money is bet…
/r/MGTOW206/08/20 10:58 PM
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Yes, I am sure some can live the monk life. My advice does not have to apply to everyone. But women and the unique interaction they can give you is pretty much special. In the sense that it is hard to replicate, a sex doll will never (for now at least) have on you the same effect as a woman wanting to be nailed by you...
/r/MGTOW206/08/20 10:55 PM
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I think you have a all or nothing approach to this subject, and as much as it may work for you, I fear this kind of extremism is what will lead many monk mode men to fall for the most simple pitfalls along the way. Just to be clear again, my advice is not to cohabitate or marry. You feel horny this week? Hire a escort or use tinder if you are good looking. That's what I am talking about. By doing that you will develop a certain de-sensitivity to women. You won't crave sex as much as before becau…
/r/MGTOW206/08/20 04:12 PM
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It's an interesting topic, my main point is that abstaining from everything and go to extremes can be beneficial on the short term but I believe it may be impractical on the long term. It is a call to moderation. It's like with other needs... you can live without money at all, but is it really worth it? You don't have to chase money at the expense of everything else like some crazy businessman working 24/7, but I bet you will be happier having at least a steady decent income with good work life …
/r/MGTOW206/08/20 09:27 AM
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Hey! I am the author of the post you are responding to (you CAN'T be 100% happy without some form of female interaction). If you find yourself being happier without women and you have never ever felt the urge to have female interactions of any kind, then more power to you. I’m sorry but this is wildly inaccurate. A want is not a need. There are many things I want, that I am better off not having. I want a life free of responsibility. I want to be hedonistic. I want to be a vigilante and right th…
/r/MGTOW206/08/20 08:44 AM
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We all have to accept that our limits might not be the same as everyone else's limits.
/r/MGTOW205/08/20 12:08 PM
2

Well, yeah, but then this post is definitely NOT for you. Gay men are a minority anyway.
/r/MGTOW204/08/20 07:21 PM
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Amen.
/r/MGTOW204/08/20 07:20 PM
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Good for you!
/r/MGTOW204/08/20 07:07 PM
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You're right, you got to the essence of my post. Well done.
/r/MGTOW204/08/20 07:07 PM
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Mine is a warning post. Some younger MGTOWs seem to get very angry and resentful and completely ignore their inner instinct to seek women, they fight it. It's a useless and dangerous pursuit, because sooner or later anger and resentment will pay their tools on your mind. It's way better to just accept things for what they are, try to live a care-free life but without denying yourself interactions with women. In other words, it is okay to seek women validation as long as you don't be stupid and f…
/r/MGTOW204/08/20 04:48 PM
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Because a man's value, just like a woman's value, is tied to the quality and quantity of partners he can attract. It's basic biology, nothing to get mad about. If it bothers you, just say you have not found the right one yet, which is kinda true: I am pretty sure most MGTOW would get with a trillionaire anti-feminist supermodel desperately in love with him if he got the chance. Yes, reality is totally different and that's why MGTOW are smart and keep distance from the dating market.
/r/MGTOW204/08/20 03:06 PM
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list hes not for me anyway because I can write out 500 ways Id benefit a man as a partner. I really want to know this amazing woman who can make my life better in 500 different ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 08:56 AM
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Men are strong. They’re resilient, persistent. Responsible. Kind. Gentle. Sensitive and deserving of the utmost respect and love. Thank you! Why do we (other girls) treat men like they’re nothing? Why do we think it’s okay to bash men like this in private? Because women live in a society where their whole needs are fulfilled by the state with a strong contribution by men, but often not in a direct way. They just never see the work it took and it still takes to maintain society and provide. There…
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/20 11:23 PM
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Pretty sure that comes from a woman. Unfortunately the world is filled with people only focused on their interests and unwilling to see the other side. In addition to that, some people are truly unable to understand how unfair marriage is to men because they simply never dwelled into the stats and think what they know is enough. They think they're more educated that they actually are. An intelligent person always put himself into the shoes of the other side, I am pretty sure if women had to deci…
/r/MGTOW227/07/20 07:52 AM
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Surely but then the conclusion is that we should expect this sub to be filled by women-related negative posts, because MGTOW is the only place you can place those kind of posts.
/r/MGTOW225/07/20 10:00 PM
2

Yes, you're correct. But I always knew that the guys winning at life aren't some upper level management penguins with a big house and an even bigger wife. Really successful people are those who somehow amass enough money to live life how they desire, and don't fall into life traps such as slaving away for a company. When I see some people working their life away, myself included, I start to think perhaps it would be better to get a van / move to the coutryside and live more frugally (not that I …
/r/MGTOW225/07/20 06:20 PM
1

It depends on age. Women below 25, yes your argument might be correct. For women above 25/30 your argument is wrong. Women at that age have essentially less choices and power, while a man in his 30s usually have his picks even if he had issues dating before 25. Of course, it's not like any man with a pulse is the gatekeeper of commitment, but assuming you have your life in order as a man you'll surely see a change in women pushing more and more for commitment because they realize they have less …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 06:08 PM
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If you have 600k then I see why you may say you don't want Bezos money. My net worth is like less than one third of that and honestly I would not mind having billions. Yes, they're running the company but guess who's getting all their paychecks and/or child support alimony etc? They're all as miserable as fuck and have no life. You could have their money and no wife, think about that :)
/r/MGTOW225/07/20 06:00 PM
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Passive stock investing via ETF and options trading are on fashion now. Please please please don't fall into the trap of thinking there is some fool proof way to invest who will surely yield results. Even passive investing is not immune to systemic risk, people in the states have forgotten that because they come from an unprecedented period of prosperity. So invest, but do so assuming you can lose huge amounts and never see those money back. Right now focus on saving and trying out different inv…
/r/MGTOW225/07/20 05:55 PM
3

What is your self worth in $$$?
/r/MGTOW225/07/20 05:19 PM
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Live below your means. Yes, as you grow older and aquire more experience you will learn how to invest and earn more money, but right now just focus on becoming what Taleb (a prominent economic expert) calls anti-fragile. Make sure you live below your means and ready to storm the unexpected, try to save a good portion of your income and be aware of lifestyle inflation (look it up). Seek what you love, avoid money and time wastes. Don't pick a career who will most likely lead you to financial inse…
/r/MGTOW225/07/20 05:14 PM
1

I don't post content about women and I generally agree with your premise. Having said that, posts who genuinely tackle male specific issue and, for example, report stories of divorce rape are useful in trying to remind men of the dangers of marriage. What kind of content would you like more of? My fear is that there's an intrinsic bias against content regarding specific topics such as fitness and financial success, because if you want to discuss these topics perhaps you would be better off posti…
/r/MGTOW225/07/20 04:57 PM
1

I would be okay with being with a woman stronger than me, BUT considering women are weaker than men of the same size, she would need to be at least 6.2 feet tall and 200+ lbs to compete physically with me. I don't think a woman of that size would want to be with someone smaller than her. Not gonna happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 11:51 PM
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Yeah because if western counties get filled with African illetterate immigrants I am sure they will remain prosperous for long.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 09:00 AM
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What I implied is that only high value men who would create the basis for having two or more wives. The rest would just behave like today.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 04:09 PM
1

I mean that everyone with enough self improvement and success could aim to get multiple women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 08:35 PM
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It's viable if the alternative is not having the right setting for having a family anyway. You say women would need to take care of other women's children as that would be a disadvantage. If you have three wives and three children it means you can have a daily rotation of one woman attending the three children, with the other two having a "day off". Similar benefits apply to family costs such as housing, it's less expensive to have a slightly bigger house than three smaller houses. In essence, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 12:54 PM
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I don't follow your argument. You don't have to get with a man you don't like, opening up to polygyny would just mean that a Chad can officially have under his wings multiple women. It that deal is convenient or not I will let women to decide but I am pretty sure we would see women accepting to share a good successul man than remaining single or marrying a poor ugly dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 12:05 PM
1

All your point can be solved easily. Simply have more than one woman cohabitating with one man, everybody of them work or the women work part-time and each of them have only one or two kids top. That way the man doesn't necessarily have to provide alone, kids wouldn't be in high number, and you'll get benefits from economics of scale. At the same time you get a bigger household, and these women can enjoy a bigger network and the chance at having a higher status husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 06:49 AM
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"society" doesn't provide for us, over the years with access to opportunities to advance our own lives and add breadth to it without the reliance on a partner, we are able to provide for ourselves. Not society. It is an important remark to make but please note that when I said "society provides" it means that a good part of the security and comfort that you get as a woman now in any western nation doesn't derive from your ability to contribute but from the general advancement made by society. I'…
/r/MGTOW220/07/20 06:41 AM
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You should aim to become a man which women gravitate towards, and not a man who has to offer "mcmansions, luxury cars, and diamonds" for a crumble of pussy. Take out of your head the idea that you need to provide material things to women in order to be liked and you're halfway there. Most women today just want to have fun. In the sense, nowadays they don't usually worry about food, shelter, etc... because society is already providing everything so the only thing they are missing are companionshi…
/r/MGTOW219/07/20 04:46 PM
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I'm 30 and when I was 15 I already knew about "divorced father support groups" in my country. I have heard of "men going their own way" only a few years ago, before then we just called it being smart and avoiding stupid feminism.
/r/MGTOW219/07/20 04:38 PM
1

Polygyny allow one man to have multiple wives. It doesn't allow a woman to have more than one husband. That is called polyandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 04:34 PM
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Not necessarily. You can have a system where every young man HAS TO WORK to get there, it would be frustrating but also motivating towards getting into higher classes. Besides, we already have that now but in a covert form.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 04:15 PM
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That's the point, we would allow these fewer men who DO HAVE the means to have more than one woman, effectively increasing pairing between fertile women and men able to provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 04:14 PM
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It's not that hard to understand. You just have to not sleep casually with men who are obviously not interested in a LTR, or you aren't 100% sure they are gonna be willing to stick around after a few dates. How long does it take for you, girl, to understand a man is just a fuck-boy or not serious? Three dates is a perfectly reasonable time frame to discern a man who just wants to get into your pants and a man who's good enough and willing to stick around. Most of the times a couple of dates is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 03:40 PM
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My grandma in Europe could buy (and did) a house for the equivalent of 3 ~ 5 years of NET average salaries. Nowadays the same location and same house costs around 8 ~ 15 yearly NET average salaries. Back then, you could start having a family at 20 because college or uni were rather optional to get a good job. Taxes were much lower than now. Life was a bit simpler and there were more economic opportunities. Boomers have literally destroyed the future, there is no way around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 07:16 AM
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Men are driven by power, fame, money, and admiration because that's what give access to women. Yes, men should focus more on themselves but improvement without a strong goal is a useless act of self torture. In a society where money and power are hard to aquire, but pussy is readily available thanks to tinder, it's hard to force yourself into seeking mastery for the sake of it. Plus we live in a society where becoming the best at something is extremely hard, 200 years ago you could become the be…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 07:02 AM
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It happens but it's rare. Women who won't accept to be with someone who make less than them can go extinct.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/07/20 08:35 PM
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Maybe it's time for women to become breadwinners. And yes, it's an absurd prepositon but that's what they wanted.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/07/20 09:08 PM
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These women are clearly desperate. But they could put more effort, or be funny, couldn't they?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/07/20 08:54 PM
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As imperfect as my personal view might be, this seem like a viable way for men who want a legacy but still want to maintain independence and not fall under the boot of modern family law. planned obsolescence monogamy Monogamy in humans is naturally limited, people being together from teens to death is an adaptation to difficulties and externally enforced. Most couples tend to grow apart after a few years, those who stay together are often unhappy and do so due to obligations or convenience. Perh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 08:45 PM
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It's a pretty dark and extremist conclusion. People date either for the "fun" or to ultimately have a family. If we are talking about 25/30 years old men who want to just enjoy themselves then you can have a mentality of enjoying the decline. But what if we talk about people who want children? Maybe men should simply stop cohabitating and committing to one woman and try to have families while safeguarding their independence. Not that any of this is ideal but man, I don't have a better solution. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 07:56 PM
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So you're saying men should avoid commitment because good quality women aren't available anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 06:55 PM
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I re read your comment but I don't seem to get your point. Can you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 06:33 PM
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Isn't this obvious? Any man certainly prefer virgins in a natural state of things, because they are most sure their offspring will be his. Not 100% sure, but better than going with a woman who might have had a man in her bed the week before. In our modern world, women can get away with being sluts only due to birth control.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 06:01 PM
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It's the equivalent of a hypothetical show where balding old men score 20 years old constantly and drive motorcycles for a living. A sweet dream with little basis on reality.
/r/MGTOW215/07/20 08:58 AM
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That's excellent. I have always been like you all my life, ever since I was 15, I just enjoy knowing I have security in case things don't go how I planned them. Be careful not to take it to an extreme, becoming too attached to money or preventing yourself from living and investing in yourself just for the sake of hoarding money. It's also important to know when to treat yourself or put down money for something that might help grow as a person. As a general rule, you wanna have a first line of de…
/r/MGTOW215/07/20 06:33 AM
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I'd consider getting yourself some richer friends. This is actually a very good advice. Regardless of your income and possessions, it's way easier to save and invest if other people around you do it regularly.
/r/MGTOW215/07/20 06:24 AM
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Of course. You always gotta have multiple lines of defense against predictable and even unpredictable events. What if you lose your job and can't find a new one for a long time? That's why good personal finance involves having cash stashed away worth at least six months of expenses, and diversifying as much as possible. Gold is also excellent because it's unlikely you'll spend it away easily, and it's off the books. I personally don't understand people who live paycheck to paycheck. I would neve…
/r/MGTOW214/07/20 11:09 PM
1

It means: "Of my own will, I won't serve".
/r/MGTOW214/07/20 06:33 PM
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I take it if a man dumped a woman who was raped you would also say that is not shitty behaviour? I specifically said in the message above that I personally would not want to deal with a woman who had been raped and couldn't get over it. That's phycological damage you don't wanna have anything to do with, trust me. Oh, right. Women get a pussy pass cuz vagina and men get to suck it up and blow their brains out. Got it! That's fair. Right? No. Women who are damaged should be left alone just like d…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/07/20 03:39 PM
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Look, I've been a happy poster on this sub for a long time and I think you're being a little harsh here. Not that you can't decide to just ban me if you want, but I hope you won't and instead you'll decide to find common points to discuss on. Among all the shitty behaviour from women I have seen in my life and also posted on this sub, I think we got a lot of materials to ridicule women when they act like wrecked children. In this case, a woman is just admitting that she experienced decreased lib…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/07/20 08:53 AM
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I am not a woman. We men are valued for different parameters than women, and yes, men are socially seen as expendable. The only think I wanna point out is that ugly or barren women are seen as nearly useless. Or they should be socially and if they aren't in today's times it's just a temporary anomaly. So I don't think all women have it easier than the average man. A man needs to demonstrate his value or else no one is gonna care for him, for a woman is generally easier (if she's not ugly or not …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/07/20 09:29 PM
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I am not a woman. I've never dwelled into the idea that women are more nurturing than men, I think it may be true only when speaking about young children. Women prefer to interact with people and children, more often than men, so perhaps it seems women are more nurturing, but that does not necessarily translate in them evading attraction's rules or being nurturing just for the sake of it. I never believed women are some kind of naturally nurturing creatures, if they nurture more than men (and th…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/07/20 09:22 PM
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I understand her. Not to play devil's advocate but it probably would weird out myself as well being with a man who got abused by another man of the same age for years. It's a primal instinct. He has been dominated by another man in the most intimate sense and as much as we want to sympathize with another human being, that surely doesn't scream "strenght". Why didn't he do something about it? Why has he been so weak to not rebel or seek help? It's similar as a woman who let herself be taken by an…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/07/20 08:05 AM
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It's a ridiculous concept because you don't even put yourself into the shoes of a man forced to raise a child he does not want. If you think that's ridiculous, then abortions and women giving away their children at birth are also ridicolous concepts?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 06:39 PM
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If men could financially abort a child, especially if before birth, most single mothers would not exists. I would say the vast majority of single mothers are women who ignored their partners wishes because they knew they had their back covered by welfare, and then ended up single because either drove the man away or the man got fed up raising a kid he had little involvement when it came to the question "should we keep it or not?". Remove the welfare state and give men the ability to financial ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 04:45 AM
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Just don't marry, it's literally a no brainier unless you aren't able to think clearly for extended periods of time. As if someone drugged you 24/7. Not marrying especially if you are well off should not even be open for discussion.
/r/MGTOW209/07/20 12:46 PM
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Well it's not like a switch goes off and immediately any man is hotter at 30, however around and past 30 is when many different factors coincide. First, a man in his 30s is at the peak of his mental and physical prowess. Male brains develop up to about 25/26 years old (female brains finish development significantly before) and reaction times / IQ and cognitive capabilities peak around this age and stay there for around a decade and slowly decrease after that. Physical fitness follow a similar cu…
/r/MGTOW209/07/20 06:14 AM
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It's conditioning due to different attractiveness between men and women at different ages. A young woman learn early on that she's the prize, because any man would want and chase the 18/23 years old student. A young man is literally invisible unless he's already ultra gifted. I personally had success in attracting women in my 20s but it's only when you get closer or past 30 that your overall attractiveness and dating confidence reaches good levels. Men generally get stuck with the idea that they…
/r/MGTOW208/07/20 05:54 AM
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I would say top 20/30% whereas in some other parts of the world you have to be top 1% to trigger the tingles. Women from all over the world do love souther Europeans. It's like a booster to your SMV. Of course, Italian women still seek the top 5% of men.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/07/20 07:00 PM
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I'm Italian and I can totally confirm it. We're pretty popular amongst women of the world.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/07/20 06:19 PM
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Yes. It is rather irrelevant to remind it but women do still need men as a whole for their exciting freedom to be kept intact. Men are still needed to run and build society. Unfortunately no single woman is either willing to acknowledge or accept that, and no woman will ever be directly held accountable for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 09:35 PM
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If you look at it on a very basic level, women nowadays don't need men because they already acquired protection and provision from the gov. What men are slowly realizing in the west is that men don't certainly need women either. Women aren't willing or capable of running a household like it was common in the 50s before washing machines and the rest were introduced. Men only want women as validation now and, whoever is into it, for having kids. But even for that the deal is pretty shitty because …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 07:39 PM
2

It would be cool to make a study about female and male content creators online. We could see if women do get more attention than men. I don't know how someone could standardize for other variables tho.
/r/MGTOW205/07/20 10:17 AM
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Link to studies? I would like to understand if behind this claim there a bias cased by older man having children with mostly older women.
/r/MGTOW204/07/20 04:31 PM
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Where does it come from?? Thanks
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/07/20 04:22 PM
1

What does 420 friendly means??!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/07/20 04:05 PM
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I've been in LTRs most of my life, and for years I thought LTR were preferable than casual dating. I was convinced it's preferable to be with a woman long term because you can experience things together within a strong emotional connection. I also valued growing together as a team. Nowadays, my perspective is shifting a bit because I am slowly realizing being with a woman long term brings so much drama, efforts, and it's hardly worth it. Perhaps the thrill of being with women short term or in FW…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 03:52 PM
1

Okay, then it's open season. Let's all find married women and impregnate them. .... Are you serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 07:52 PM
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Most EU countries have forced vaccination at birth and/or highly recommended ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 06:59 AM
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In whole Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 05:56 AM
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It's a mix of being naive and get taken advantage off. Not too different from when a man grooms and beds a very young woman for his own pleasure, it may be consensual but it borders on being manipulative.
/r/MGTOW202/07/20 11:51 PM
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I've experienced this many times in my lifetime, being with a woman means that eventually her needs becomes more important than yours. It's not like your needs don't exists it's just that hers become more important. Perhaps some men can still manage to be self centered and well balanced in relationship but it's such a struggle. Perhaps the mistake most men make is to jump into a relationship too soon in their lives, maybe most men would feel better in a provider role if they had already done it …
/r/MGTOW202/07/20 09:08 PM
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Who would want a woman if she does not work and at the same time does not contribute in any other meaningful way? As boring as it is to repeat it, that's why you don't get married. In your case maybe she had been an anchor from the start, in which case you've been dumb in marrying her, but even working women aren't immune to that. She might decide to stay home all of a sudden and become a burden on your life, and there is little you can do to consequently prevent paying for it (either slavery or…
/r/MGTOW202/07/20 08:50 PM
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Having something to die for has been a desire for men for millennia. That's because we are biologically prone to wanting to "prove our self worth" in order to win the trust and admiration of other people and women most importantly. In my opinion wanting to die for something means being abused as cannon fodder in some stupid war or while being a member of some cult. People who blow up themselves are promised virgins in the afterlife. Not good food, comfort, or freedom. But women. Don't be like th…
/r/MGTOW202/07/20 07:19 PM
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The most humiliating part of it all is hearing from your boss that back when he dated for a few weeks your future wife of ten years, she gave him sex in ways that you never got. Can you imagine knowing your wife has given up her ass to your boss in wild animalistic anal sex after only a few weeks of dating, when in ten years of marriage you never put your willy in the same hole, ever? Can you imagine him perhaps asking for BJs or anal or anything else and not getting it in ten years, hearing her…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/06/20 09:20 PM
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It's pretty easy to understand why some women falsely accuse a man of rape. It's simple to do, requires no proof, grants wide sympathy, and is effective as a revenge tool. Imagine meeting a man that tells you whatever you wanna hear, end up bedding you (because you're an impulsive idiot), but then you realise he essentially played you. You did like the sex, but you were disrespected. You now have no power... unless you accuse him of rape. That way, he will pay for having left you! And perhaps yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 08:01 AM
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It's a quick way to see if you are ready to lean for her. If you're ready to apologies even if it's not right. It's a power move.
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre27/06/20 08:47 AM
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Great point. I was in arguments with women on that sub that insisted marriage is a blessing. After inquiring a bit here and there it was clear these women were enthusiastic about having boyfriends and husbands paying for most of their expenses and allowing them to save 90% of their income. Pretty sure they knew what I was talking about.
/r/MGTOW225/06/20 05:19 PM
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I got temporarily banned from r/FIRE for basically making a list of advice on how to get closer to financial independence and one of the points was to avoid getting married, especially for men. Some people got butthurt hard and I had to provide statistics clearly supporting my claim, and they got angry at me for making it a gendered issue. Well, if stats say that men end up paying more in a marriage and especially in a consequent divorce, then I thought it would be worth considering for a group …
/r/MGTOW225/06/20 11:57 AM
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She's partially right, guys don't get it. What they don't fully grasp is how these women can be manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 07:29 AM
1

Very based comment. Unfortunately, everything you wrote is correct.
/r/MGTOW220/06/20 07:11 AM
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Getting married in theory is for the kids. It's not even good for that...
/r/MGTOW220/06/20 07:08 AM
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So yeah, one personal report full of feminist buzzwords totally invalidates everything I said. Case closed I guess? Stupidity wins.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/20 06:05 AM
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If you can't understand on your own that if women leave their jobs to take care of the children it is because they WANT TO, because in essence that's what nature intended them to do, then I don't know how to further this conversation. I know plenty, and I mean a lot, of women in their 30s stuck in regular or even higher paying jobs which would kill to find a man who supports them at home with kids. I know ZERO men who would want the same. Why do you ask? Well maybe because women are naturally di…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/20 06:01 AM
1

Good for you. What constitute a good woman in your eyes?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 01:52 PM
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Great attitude, as I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 07:21 AM
1

Well then find better men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 07:20 AM
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You think that you have to put zero effort in keeping a man. But he has to provide and be your personal monkey, right? Because if he loves you how dare he wants you to be a good partner. I'll make you a prediction. You'll enjoy dating up until around 30, thinking that you don't have to offer anything positive to a relationship with a man because men will date and bed you. You'll fall in love and be happy. But over time, men will get tired of you. Yes, even if they originally loved you, because i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 06:47 AM
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Wow, you cannot grasp the concept that you might have provide something to the relationship as well. Amazing. If men thought the same, humans would have gone extinct millions of years ago. You are destined to a life of misery if you keep this entitled attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 06:33 AM
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Ooookay cutie men bad women good. Nobody wants you to feel guilt for being single, go ahead and do whatever the fuck you want. Men and certainly not women are "God". If you think men are evil and useless, please turn around. Men have invented and built everything valuable you see around you. Men regularly sacrifice their lives to support their families, their wives, and society in general. So, please, use your brain before concluding men are useless. If you want children and raise them correctly…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 05:44 AM
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What are you talking about?! The topic here was.... If you find a good quality man, how do you keep him around and prevent him from betting bored with you? Everyone has to "offer" something in a relationship, be it love, support, sex, emotional help, compassion, etc.. Holy fuck most girls here are totally mental. You can't even process a simple question like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 05:26 AM
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That's completely off topic, we were discussing about having a man, a partner, a lover, that support you in life and is also able to defend you in difficult situations. In fact, if you had a boyfriend in the scenario you brought up, you didn't have to worry about the landlord attacking you because he would have defended you. I really don't understand why women like you want to deny facts so vehemently. Is it that hard to admit that if you have a man in your life certain things are easier? Jesus …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 05:23 AM
1

What?! Do you realise women do exactly the same negating some men access to reproduction? It's fairly simple... If you want a relationship, what do you have to keep a man around?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 05:17 AM
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This is why leagues are not strict for women (like they are for men), because almost every woman is some man’s dream girl. Care to elaborate on this? So men have to fiercely compete to get into better leagues otherwise ALL women will see them as sub humans, but a 200 lb woman does not need to worry because she will eventually be seen as a "dream girl" by a Chad?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 05:01 PM
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You could say the same thing about women though, especially now since SAHM's are uncommon because families can't live off one income anymore. Women have to provide, offer emotional comfort, be sex goddesses, look like they are 20 forever, and help men. I generally agree, it's hard for women as well. The difference is that women started the movement that led to what we have today, not men. I mean providing, protecting, helping women.... What's even hard about that? What's hard with that? Try supp…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 03:16 PM
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It's so boring for me to keep repeating the same facts over and over and over again. Studies show men prefer younger low N women. Studies show low N women have better relationships which also last longer. I wanted to open discussion with women about relationships issues but there is no intention on your parts as a collective to open an honest debate. On this post I've seen multitude of women trying to convince me women don't really want commitment and it's all a myth. Aaaaaalright. Okay, so let …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 01:41 PM
1

Your statement is scientifically incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 01:16 PM
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I wasn't referring to sex, I was referring to everything else. Society's view is that men need to provide, protect, and help women. We have to always keep things entertaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 01:16 PM
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Because on paper you save money. It's all theory. In practice, you'll end up spending more then if you were single because two people sharing expenses will always have different needs and wants and compromises will be necessary. Women do the most spending in most households, and globally are more likely to get into debt and overspending habits. I have never seen frugal women but plenty of frugal men. If you are alone you can budged and find ways to save money, if you are with a woman you'll not …
/r/MGTOW217/06/20 11:34 AM
1

What does that even mean? Most women would benefit from having a man in the house in case shit happens or someone gets into your house at night with bad intentions. Please use some logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 11:24 AM
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I don't see the connection at all between needing a man a your side and a landlord having assaulted you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 10:47 AM
1

Guess you have a lot of orbiters then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 06:43 AM
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Well, goon on you! In my experience it's a lot more than that, it's emotional support, socialization (women are more social than men), protection (yes, sometimes it's good to know you have a man in the house), and of course financial support (men pay more in relationships end of story).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 06:43 AM
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Yes, men want to commit as well but they won't do it for the town bicycle or for Karen who gives them a headache every other day.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 06:41 AM
1

Won't say. Southern part of EU. Do you think it matters?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 06:40 AM
1

Amazing how almost every response from women denies that women want relationship more than men. Are you all career women or some thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 06:39 AM
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If I imagine myself having to marry at all costs, I would probably pick a virgin. So yeah, I think your argument is valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 06:38 AM
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I am not gonna deny my perception is probably highly skewed, not only from the place I live but also from my personal experience. To cut it short, I'll summarize my view on why men have a bigger burden in relationships than women. First of all, this doesn't apply to incels of any other form of men who always struggled in life with women and therefore will do anything to be in a relationship. Not all men are desperate for intimacy or are awkward sensitive clingy boys. If you're a man who values f…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 06:35 AM
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Essentially 90% of women replied with your same argument: "it's not women who want commitment because men dirty dirty and women need to cleany cleany". I mean, in general men contribute more financially in relationships, get sent to war, step in when shit hit the fan, repair your car sink AC washer for free, are asked to provide more than women, but yeah. Women cleany cleany more so I guess better be single. It's really hard to improve if you cherry pick the only thing women really do more than …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 06:15 AM
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Well it's easy to ridicule or demonize men if you take young incels as the baseline. I think that average men are a little bit different.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 05:43 AM
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I have never tested my levels, but I'd say i have a spine and a good amount of T.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 11:27 PM
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Look, I am 30 and if I'll be single at 50 I will surely think the same way as you do now. No point in pairing with someone if you already had kids and lived the family life, I already crave for peace and alone time so I suppose I'll be even more interested in being single at an older age.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 11:16 PM
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Ok lady, I guess you're at a point in your life where you don't attract any mate that's worth pursuing. I don't structure my life to be of use to men, I structure it to be of use to me. FYI most men need to do that in order to procreate and they are actively shamed if they decide to live a life where they are at the centre and not his woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 10:42 PM
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Do you realize my initial question was about men universally not wanting commitment as much as women? You're insisting that it's all about wanking and video games, but I am pretty sure men not wanting to commit were a thing even in ancient times before society and technology were today. Culturally, the image of the elusive and attractive man wanting to live his life at the fullest and not settling down is pretty much universal. My second question was about what, as a woman, you think you have to…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 09:54 PM
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I would hope it's a reflective bias of the kind of woman frequenting this subreddit, but then I imagined asking the same question to real life women and I realized you were right.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 09:48 PM
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I don't know if I should take you seriously or what.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:29 PM
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This whole argument that women are kept outside high paying job because of some invisible force is ridiculous. The pay gap has been debunked many times, if women earn less it's because they work less hours, negotiate less, and are generally less competitive in stressful environment. And most women choose to take care of the family home, because it's in fact a privilege. You've got everything backwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:27 PM
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So her response?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:23 PM
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To honest how can you blame them? I've never seen two people actually be super happy in a relationship, it's mostly work, compromise, and misery. For men, in particular, you also have to add a lot of expectations and responsibilities. Not saying women don't have those, but in my opinion men get more of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:22 PM
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Based comment. So, "porn dick limp dick" explains every relationship issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:20 PM
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I'm from EU. Here in Europe I've never seen or heard of men wanting desperately to be in relationships, it's always the women wanting to lock down men. Always.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:19 PM
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Case closed, women are the commitment phobics now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:18 PM
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In my experience, women do seek and want the commitment from a man they deem worthy. But men who are generally seen as of "higher quality" have little reasons to settle down. I think it's women who seek commitment more, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 06:31 PM
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Yes, like it or not men won't let a woman go if she's innocent and untouched. We men like women who aren't damaged so therefore if you are that kind of woman it increases your ability to lock commitment ten fold.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 06:29 PM
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I don't even honestly know where to start. Your response contains multiple levels of intellectual deception, starting from: 1) You're denying men have a tendency to avoid commitment, trying to paint an image of women being instead those who don't want it (hint: statistics say it's women who desire commitment more). 2) Citing a statistic about home chores is cherry picking at its finest, as if women do more chores at home it automatically means women don't get out of relationship more than what t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 06:26 PM
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Yes, I am baffled by the amount of replies citing that women don't want commitment because they get nothing out of it. I see countless of arguments citing that women perform more work around the house like that's the only hard truth we needed to conclude women don't want or need commitment. I give up, honestly. I don't think I can counter argument this kind of narrow thinking because it takes too much time and too much effort, if women don't want to set up a discussion on what they can offer to …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 06:13 PM
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I can share some of your reasons. May I ask what country are you in now?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 05:40 PM
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You're an exception and that's how men usually feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 05:32 PM
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Care to elaborate more please? I am genuinely curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 12:20 PM
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A dumb simp. I don't feel pity for him.
/r/MGTOW211/06/20 07:41 PM
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What kind of man is he? He sounds like a dumbie.
/r/MGTOW211/06/20 06:51 PM
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We agree, let me clarify: Again trouble with the terms. The intrinsic value is assigned by virtue of existing, and men collectively have none. Men have value by performing, and that's a value yes, but it's not intrinsic. It's awarded to the contest winnner. This is why men have intrinsic value, because men had to develop more skills, higher intellect, and competitiveness to succeed. Men are more competitive and skilled overall. A man is generally more skilled than a woman, naturally. Especially …
/r/MGTOW211/06/20 11:46 AM
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If I were stranded on a life boat and I knew only one could be eventually saved, I would make sure I am the only one left when people come to the rescue. And being a strong man, I am positive I would have more chances than a woman. Your idea that men need to scale the social ladder otherwise they won't reproduce is correct, but that doesn't dispute that men do have collectively an intrinsic value. Without men you have no inventions, no civilization, no order. Yes, you are right that men will be …
/r/MGTOW211/06/20 11:08 AM
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Women obviously have the baseline advantage of carrying eggs, but men in society do have a value just because they are men. And it's because men are capable of doing things women simply can't. Without men and their skills society would fucking collapse and women would eventually die. What you are describing is that fact that women generally are considered valuable by default (and will almost always do okay), while men need to prove themselves therefore some men end up failing more than the avera…
/r/MGTOW211/06/20 10:12 AM
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You seem to forget men have intrinsic value as well, just like women. Perhaps you're right in saying that because in some societies men do have to openly prove themselves more than women.
/r/MGTOW211/06/20 09:39 AM
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PORN SICK, LIMP DICK! Lmao the catladies were correct?!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 09:21 AM
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Yes, that is what I and most other men desire. Intimacy, cuddles, love, affection, etc... On the other hands, men who pump and dump do so mostly for the ego rush and to feel powerful and desired. The times I've been single and desired by women, seeing them sexually desire me, made me feel so empowered and special.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 09:14 AM
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Back to the topic, yes, men have A role as protector and provider, but not really for 'their' children. That's social, not natural. Keep reading and you'll see some societies literally don't have a word for "father". As someone said to me one time, "fatherhood is the root of civilization". I know what you're saying here and I agree with you. However, this can be said for the concept of private property as well. The societies you're talking about are hunter gatherers composed of small group with …
/r/MGTOW210/06/20 07:25 PM
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I have read about ten pages and I agree with most I have read. The concept that fatherhood is unnatural is a bit of a stretch in my opinion, because I think the role of protector and provider has very solid evolutionarily roots, it makes sense. You can say it is a rather new and fragile adaptation that was both caused by and encouraged by civilization, but saying it's "unnatural" make it sound like it's something totally socially constructed which is not. So when you say man's natural role is so…
/r/MGTOW210/06/20 05:55 PM
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Thank you, I will read the book and come back to you with my opinion. Might take a while, it's rather long!
/r/MGTOW209/06/20 07:43 PM
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It says page not found. Listen, I already know why everything have gone to shit. It doesn't take a genius to know that many problems today are due to men not having authority over their families and therefore kids growing up in broken homes, and men feeling lost and useless. Men have a natural role of protector and provider... that involves a lot of responsibilities which in turn should be balanced with a similar amount of authority. Men in general today have been stripped of their power to free…
/r/MGTOW209/06/20 07:25 PM
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I was referring to scientific studies showing couples tend to break up at either the 4th or 7th year mark. Our biology hasn't changed much in the last 100.000 years and the consensus is that human couples tend to fall apart as soon as the kids can be managed by only one parent.
/r/MGTOW209/06/20 06:33 PM
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Ultra rich live on a different plane, it's a bit different. However, I'm not saying that living apart will naturally make things better long term. I am sure it'll help reducing stress overall, especially for the man in question; and most importantly, will save you a lot of headaches if and when it eventually fails.
/r/MGTOW209/06/20 06:31 PM
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Long term relationship. A serious monogamous relationship.
/r/MGTOW209/06/20 11:48 AM
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What would you change if you could go back? What advice would you give to someone like me?
/r/MGTOW209/06/20 04:27 AM
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Scientists say men and women are serial monogamist, that is we are made to mate with only one partner in the medium term (a few years). That is certainly true for women. Men, in theory, could also aim to mate with more partner at the same time and that's what powerful men do. you were never designed to be locked into a confined living space with ONE woman to the exclusion of all others. Essentially, yes. Perhaps we are made to stick longer if kids are involved, but not for the woman.
/r/MGTOW209/06/20 04:26 AM
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Are these book titles?
/r/MGTOW209/06/20 04:22 AM
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Well, the short answer is kids. I'd also personally like to have kids someday, despite all the difficulties. As a friend of mine argued, if the final scenario is the family eventually breaking up, perhaps it's better to just have each person going on with their life, having separate houses the whole time, and skipping the part where they fight each other for whoever uses the bathroom first.
/r/MGTOW209/06/20 04:21 AM
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Young girls using sexual tension to get attention. Nothing new under the sun.
/r/askTRP08/06/20 11:26 PM
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Minnesota was basically colonized by scandinavians for the most part, and they exactly think and act this way. I could never behave that way even if I forced myself to. However, getting back on topic... I tend to be a nice person with everyone around me because most of the times that makes people appreciate me and respect me. By nice I mean that if I can help someone, I will try my best to do that. People often find enjoyment in helping others. But I am also the kind of person who has strong opi…
/r/MGTOW208/06/20 11:22 PM
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That sounds like someone who constantly live in fear of others. How many people you really know who act like that and are above 18? You made me think a lot. At what point you become a nice guy, considering in most human relations it's sometimes better to just avoid confrontation unless necessary? Take male-female interaction for a second, saying always "yes" is a problem but saying always what you think despite your partner's feelings can become a nightmare... in most situations it is better to …
/r/MGTOW208/06/20 10:29 PM
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Oh come on, women lie as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 10:24 PM
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What exactly is your definition of a "nice guy"?
/r/MGTOW208/06/20 09:42 PM
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Reading this made my brain bleed internally.
/r/MGTOW208/06/20 08:22 AM
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Yes, more or less what you said. A young 20 years old woman in university still doesn't fully understand how career, work, long term planning, and goal compatibility are important. They just want to explore and have fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 11:11 PM
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Simply put, women at a younger age stay with you for the man you are, women after 30 tend to stay with you also for what you can provide. It's not so black and white but there's truth in that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 10:44 PM
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Man of all ages prefer women 18-25 because they are the sexiest and generally less demanding. Once they approach 30 they start looking at men as meal tickets or long term investments. I don't know what stability has to do with women not able to morally support their husbands. I know how women are in relationship but I wouldn't be with someone I cannot connect with on a personal level. Fuck that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 09:35 PM
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Dude you're living in hell. Are you sure you can't escape? From what I read you seem to be the classical miserable man in a failed marriage, too scared of divorcing because you would lose most of what you have worked for.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 09:32 PM
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Why stay with a woman if she's unable to support you thought your bad times. Don't you listen to her issues? In my opinion, you're just rationalizing being with a bad partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 06:41 PM
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Wow, how did it end?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 07:47 PM
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What books or articles on individualism are you reading? Can you share some?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 01:39 PM
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I would struggle with trying to act like a triad man, however I believe that most men would benefit from being a little bit more bold and manipulative. Perhaps I am thinking that I could benefit from employing red pill tactics, and my personal experience is clouding my view. I sometimes feels as if you can do something then you should do it. Why limit yourself to one woman? If you can do more, or "spin plates" then why shouldn't you do it? If you can get from women what you want and not give muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 12:21 PM
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For the most part yes, in my view you could even take it to an extreme. What I am asking is why wouldn't a man be like that? Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 12:14 PM
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Wow can you tell me more with an example? Besides, what I am advocating can be applied only to women. You can set up these traits mostly when around women and for example not be an asshole on the workplace. Of course, in life you still need some moderation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 12:13 PM
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NOT here for NO booty calls = double negative means positive. She's just hiding it in plain sight and weeding out illiterate idiots.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/06/20 12:04 PM
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Money in general is a good indicator of your ability to navigate life's issues and still come on top. People who have money not necessarily acquired them thanks to being smart, sometimes it's also a combination of being willing to do things other people would never do, or doing shady stuff. In other cases, it may be inherited, or you may just be someone who's leeching off other people. Women who think they are dating down because they make slightly more than you, are simply losers. They have nev…
/r/MGTOW230/05/20 06:25 AM
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