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Well that's weird they are using two very different definitions. I don't think so, the part you quoted, when it talks about "leaving out" facts, it's implied that some(but not all) relevant facts were disclosed. Simply not saying anything is not "leaving out" facts, in order to "leave out" things you have to say something. So lying by omission in my opinion would mean lying by failing to tell something By that logic you would constantly be "lying by omission" every time you talk to someone becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:52 AM
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So, I’m walking proof that you don’t need six pack abs or Brad Pitt’s jaw line to successfully mate in the 21st century. Never said that. I don't know what you look like, I don't know what the chicks you banged looked like, I don't know what you had to do to get them into bed. Discussing your personal situation is kind of pointless. The three points you referenced above are all focused on the past You were making an argument based on evolutionary principles, were you not? "If women prefer these …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:42 AM
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There are any number of reasons why someone may not be able to find a relationship that have absolutely nothing to do with someone's so-called "league" 🙄 If you're consistently trying and consistently failing then chances are you aren't desirable enough for a relationship in the eyes of the people you're pursuing. Hence, they're "out of your league". And you don't get to determine for other people how attracted they need to be to someone to be penetrated by them. You are not them. Never said I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:34 AM
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An omission is when a person tells most of the truth, but leaves out a few key facts that therefore, completely obscures the truth.[12] From the Wikipedia article. If a guy waxes on about how much of a romantic he is, how he's looking to settle down, how he's looking for the "one", to make a chick think that he wants a relationship with her Then you and I think differently. If I knew my partner wanted or didnt want something in their partner Do you think women with a highly promiscuous past or w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:28 AM
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girl finding out from his friend that he doesn't really want to be involved with people that do or did drugs I think still at that point it wouldn't be lying, wanting something doesn't mean it's a hard standard or that you won't make exceptions, and if it is you can use your words and say so. Edit: You can lie by commission to people you don't know and about things that don't harm them and people wouldn't consider it bad. Can you read? Merely choosing not to mention certain facts is not "lying b…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:07 AM
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If men expect bodies to only look a certain way because of porn, that becomes a problem for the actual women they want to have sex with. That's not the same as you trying to tell women what we should and shouldn't be aroused by and sexually attracted to. I never said anything of that sort. But if you're describing men's expectations/standards as a "problem" then it sure seems like you're telling men what they should and shouldn't be sexually attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:04 AM
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The relationship one is personal and the job is impersonal. Lying to people close to you is generally considered bad especially if doesn't benefit and only benefits you. Lying to people you dont know very well and about something that doesn't harm them personally is not considered all that bad. You're missing the point. Most people wouldn't consider failing to mention a history of drug use to be "lying" at all. a woman not telling the man she is dating that she used to do a lot of drugs when he …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:54 AM
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interesting study, saved!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:51 AM
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I don't think it's a hypothetical. Women already bitch plenty about men's preferences and unlike male grievances these views are accepted and amplified by mainstream media. Apparently it's gross/misogynistic for men to prefer shaved women prefer big butts/boobs dislike large labia Often these things are brought up in the context of porn, many woke progressives/radfems don't like how it """creates unrealistic expectations""" of the female body for men or something. The policing of men's preferenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:48 AM
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My point is that if settling isn’t bad why would you bring up the idea of a beta bux? Settling to an extent isn't bad. I don't think men should strive to be the most attractive and desirable guy a woman has ever been with, that's not realistic. But if many/most of her past partners are significantly more attractive than you, that's a yellow flag. And more importantly: if she makes you wait for sex when she's had a lot of casual sex in the past if she does not display affection/interest in other …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:45 AM
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They say that women are whores for having fun because they didn’t have the opportunity to participate in that fun. I actually don't disagree that there are many guys on PPD like this, but I wasn't talking about them specifically, so I'm not sure why you'd bring that up. These differences in experience are bound to create resentment that is unlikely to be overcome which is why it wouldn’t make sense to commit to that person. Sexual experience varies far more in men than it does in women, so many …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:35 AM
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The comment was supposed to be sarcastic.......
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:33 AM
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but I’m a bisexual male and I don’t really find that look appealing. So you're not a woman. why would there be such a multitude of different facial features and body types. Clearly lots of people who are not “attractive” by Hollywood standards are reproducing People had less choices of mates in the past, since human populations density was far lower for most of their existence. Modern lifestyles can contribute to unaesthetic appearances, such as obesity for instance, or soft starchy diets result…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:27 AM
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Why would you want commitment from someone who hates the sex life you had before them Are these individuals in the room with us right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:21 AM
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I wish you luck in trying to lock down a man you find attractive 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:20 AM
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Oh, I'm sure plenty of men are satisfied with women they aren't really attracted to but settled for As stated in the article, it's by and large women that lose attraction towards their partners throughout a relationship. Not men. if they had to do the majority of childcare and housework, on top of working, be it part-time or full-time In this day and age being a homemaker and caregiver is not equivalent to a full time, or arguably even a part time, job. You don't have to commute. Kids don't need…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:13 AM
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I'm talking about commitment specifically. You're not adding anything to this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:12 AM
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There is a lot of overlap in what women tend to find attractive(tall, deep-set eyes, sloping forehead, defined jaw with forward growth, etc.) such that any individual women's ideal male appearance is likely to describe men that would be considered attractive by most other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:09 AM
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I think settling to an extent is fine, expecting your partner to view you as the sexiest person alive is unrealistic. But at the same time if they've been with people that are considerably more attractive than you, and don't show you a lot of interest/attraction, that's a recipe for disaster. Like betabuxxing for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:07 AM
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I said that ugly men are more willing to commit, not that they necessarily treat women better. I'm talking about this one specific grievance a lot of women seem to have: that men don't want serious relationships. Commitment/exclusivity is not synonymous with treating someone well, one dude might be a gentleman towards his FWB and another dude might be a monster towards his wife. I'm specifically focusing on the issue of commitment. when women repeatedly tell them that that's not the case? Halo e…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:05 AM
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Maybe for some, maybe not for others. Nope. Your "league" is who you can get. Either way, the answer as a woman isn't letting people I'm not attracted to penetrate me. I think there's degrees of attraction, but regardless, the question was semi-rhetorical. As a woman, it's completely irrelevant to me if a million men I'm not attracted to want relationships. It's relevant if you're going to make broad statements about what men are like("men only want one thing"), something that is a pretty ubiqui…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:58 AM
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The way you look influences how people treat you, which in turn influences your personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:56 AM
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where?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:54 AM
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Any time you don't your ideal you're settling. Men can and often are very much satisfied with an ugly wife, a fat wife, etc. It's overwhelmingly women that lose interest in their partners throughout the course of a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:54 AM
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Their faces and overall appearance To me their faces were just average. and the fact that they don't know basic info So what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:52 AM
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i doubt most foids will like eye shadow/mascara on a guy
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:21 AM
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i think i just might
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:21 AM
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how would u even use makeup as a man
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:19 AM
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i counted three skinny/average body guys with fat chicks. third woman with the dyed red hair was a fucking landwhale.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:17 AM
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So what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:13 AM
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most women are pretty ugly without makeup men unironically look better 💯. you can see this with many other non-human animals, it is overwhelmingly males that have ornamental traits like manes, bright feathers, etc. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:11 AM
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Is struggling to date a requirement for posting here? Not locking down chad doesn't mean you're "struggling" by any means, most women can't. But the women here are by and large 🤢
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:04 AM
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I'd bet money that's not the case, because if it was you wouldn't be posting here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:58 AM
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but if you go by the mentality of "there's always a hotter person" Why are you assuming that less attractive men necessarily have that mentality? How come when you settle it's not malicious but when less attractive men settle you're assuming malice?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:56 AM
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This question was semi-rhetorical, you can have whatever standards you like but if you can't get the men you like to commit then you're probably batting out of your league. Plenty of less attractive men are happy to have relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:55 AM
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Go for whoever you want, just don't paint all men with the same brush if chad won't commit to you lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:54 AM
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Yes, in fact, I can read minds, especially when dudes admit to you the shit they're pulling and when they write it here and other PUA adjacent places. Can you give some examples? I think I've only seen one case of a guy advocating for lying to get laid. It's called pump and dump because Pump(sex) and dump(minimal/no contact afterwards). That's all there is to it. The contrary to the wishes part is where the lying is. Not getting what you want doesn't mean someone else lied to you. If you know he…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:48 AM
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Many women think it's """dishonest""" for a guy to not voluntarily tell women he's seeing that he doesn't want a relationship, because if he told them they might act differently and not sleep with him. By that logic, if you used to do party drugs in the past would it be """dishonest""" to not tell every interviewer that during job interviews, even if they don't ask? It may very well change how they view you. The bottom line is, not volunteering information is never dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:42 AM
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I think many of them would. And if not the hottest guys then at least above-average guys. You underestimate the male sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:38 AM
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Most guys think they can Can you read minds? and they're not that horrid looking. Again, women's actions and reactions ensure that most ugly guys definitely "know their place" by high school. Trust me, the Attractive guys didn't lie half so often. I didn't say anything about lying. You can "pump and dump" without lying. Arguably any casual sexual encounter with minimal/no contact afterwards, contrary to the wishes of the woman, can be labelled with that term.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:21 AM
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I'm not changing it, to me, "pumping and dumping" refers to any case where a man isn't willing to take a hookup to the next level, or at least keep in touch, against the woman's wishes. Maybe you disagree but when it comes to slang terms definitions can vary wildly between different people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:17 AM
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Christ you're retarded. Being thirsty isn't enough to pump and dump, tons of thirsty guys are incels. You'd have to find an interested sex partner and that's where ugly guys struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:14 AM
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Women rate most men as below average, you have a skewed perception of what "average" is. I'd bet that to you a 5'11" white guy with a lean face can be considered "average", even though chances are he would be well above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:13 AM
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Nothing is certain in life but death and taxes but chances are the guys who have fewer options are more willing to commit. I mean, why wouldn't they? They're not giving up much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:12 AM
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Well that's what I was referring to, women's general dissatisfaction with men(or at least the men they like) not being more commitment minded.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:07 AM
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So you think 100% of casual sex is “pumping and dumping”?? Sorry, I should have said any instance where a man doesn't want a relationship and the woman does. I think the "complaining" part of the title should have made that obvious, I'm talking about women's tendency to get upset when a guy there sleeping with wants to keep it casual but she wants to take things a step further, regardless of what he has said or not said. When women complain about it, they are talking about the men who pretend to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:01 AM
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I've seen women accuse men the sleep with of "pumping and dumping" them whenever she wants a relationship and he doesn't lol. That's what I meant. since hot men don’t really need to lie to get casual sex. I agree but that doesn't stop women from getting pissed at them when they make assumptions, hear what they want to hear, and develop feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:58 AM
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So 1/3 of men aren't having sex in college. 2/3 weren't according to this poll Why is this a problem No one said that, but given the male sex drive, data consistently showing that a significant minority or slight majority of men are not having sex, or rarely having sex, suggests that women are pursuing more desirable men and ignoring less desirable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:56 AM
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because men are thirsty This is precisely why ugly and average guys have difficulty with casual sex. Why would women pick them? Since men are so thirsty most women can easily just go for the hottest guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:53 AM
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Dating a guy that has settled for me because he can't get as much casual sex as he wants/can't land someone hotter doesn't really give me a sense of security in the relationship because it seems like he's settling but would absolutely go for someone else that he actually wants if they happen to show interest in him. Are you in a relationship? If you had the choice, wouldn't you also have chosen someone you found more attractive than your current partner, all else being equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:51 AM
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"More attractive men have more options and therefore sacrifice more by committing to monogamy" seems pretty straightforward.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:49 AM
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You're assuming most men know they aren't attractive enough to be doing that. This isn't the case. Men figure out how attractive they are by the time they're in high school. Women make it very very obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:48 AM
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No, straight from the horses' mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:47 AM
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If that was really the case then we wouldn't be seeing the massive disparity we do on dating apps, disparity in sexual activity between the sexes, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:46 AM
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Everyone settles to some extent, male or female I wouldn't want to date a person who is only with me because he can't find anyone else. I didn't say that, did I? I said that average and ugly men are far less likely to have more options/better options. That doesn't mean they are incels, most men aren't. Good-looking guys aren't automatically these fuckboy assholes, and not-so-attractive guys aren't paragons of virtue. Again, I never said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 11:55 PM
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LOL there it is. You're literally taller than 90% of men that's definitely remarkable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 11:52 PM
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https://web.archive.org/web/20210429102241/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/parenting/university-students-arent-having-sex-parents-dont-know-whether/ This poll found that far more women(1/2) than men(1/3) report having sex in university. Most men weren't having sex. If you account for the fact that men are more likely to exaggerate sexual activity and women are more likely to downplay it, in accordance with gendered norms, the disparity might be even greater.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 11:51 PM
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The guy is just there for sex Who said this? Even most chads get married and settle down eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 11:45 PM
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The drama is not worth it for them, when they can get casual sex without the drama. And they still get accused of being "fuckboys" and "pumping and dumping" when the women catch feelings and want to lock him down.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 11:45 PM
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There's a lot of data to support this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 11:41 PM
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How tall are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 11:40 PM
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Everyone settles.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 11:39 PM
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I disagree, I see that term used plenty of times when the woman is merely upset that he won't commit, even if he has never suggested that he intends to have a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 11:38 PM
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I doubt it. For casual sex most women could easily get the cream of the crop. Ugly guys have to bring something else to the table(mainly money) to be chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 10:56 PM
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The most painfully average white boys in terms of looks ​ <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 10:54 PM
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I never said that. I said they are probably more likely to agree to exclusivity because they have fewer options to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 10:53 PM
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I never mentioned anything about lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 10:53 PM
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Ugly men can't consistently get casual sex, who are they "pumping and dumping".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 10:52 PM
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I didn't really say anything about lying, "pumping and dumping" refers to any instance where a man doesn't want a relationship after sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 10:52 PM
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Did I say that being unwilling to commit makes attractive men worse people? No. But a man who has fewer options isn't going to be sacrificing as much by committing compared to a man that has more options.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 10:50 PM
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you’ve had a few jobs and should be in a good role now and she might still be in a crappy university job, your finances are completely different to hers. These add up to a power imbalance where she can become too reliant on you Women using their sexuality to get men to provide for them is a form of power. If you're not cohabitating and if it's not a sugar relationship where money exchanges hands, then there is no financial aspect to it. Many guys who have age gap relationships (not all but many)…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 10:07 PM
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It's not a mistake if they would rather share tall chad than have a manlet to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 09:41 PM
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No, TRP says using money to live an interesting lifestyle, and inviting women to join your lifestyle, is attractive. Having money is necessary but not sufficient, you have to use that money to live an interesting and exciting lifestyle. Having money isn't synonymous with having a "stable job". There are plenty of other paths to affluence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 07:47 PM
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If they were more successful with women after TRP than before then it's pretty obvious what they "gained" from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 07:04 PM
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People get fatter because they choose to stop taking care of themselves Hence, people peak when they're younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 07:02 PM
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dominant (but not domineering!) What's the distinction?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:16 AM
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Are you psychic or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:14 AM
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In terms of dating, one of them has dated a couple girls What about the others? Was he involuntarily celibate before discovering TRP? when beforehand they were pretty normal, likeable people. Were they involuntarily celibate then?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:13 AM
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Are you illiterate?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 05:38 AM
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I said "youthful", not "pubescent".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 05:31 AM
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Even if they would rather fuck a 19 year old than someone their own age, that's not who most balanced adult men want to share a life with. Not everyone is dating for marriage all the time, it's not always that serious. "Dating" is also used to encompass casual sex, euphemistically. Keep that in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:36 AM
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Your anecdote contradicts the general trend, people tend to get fatter as they get older. This, along with skin aging(made worse by the obsession with tanning a lot of women have), contributes to men finding younger women more attractive. Also, unlike women, men don't necessarily prefer very lean faces. I think you're looking at things through the female gaze.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:22 AM
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I think there's plenty of late 20s-early 30s women that are hot but there are more younger women that are hot. Also they're less demanding when it comes to commitment, and women tend to prefer older guys all else being equal. Of course, many if not most older men can't pull attractive young women(or at least, not without spending a lot of money on them) because of balding, fat gain, etc. Saying that men generally peak in their 30s or 40s is cope. But those men probably couldn't pull an attractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:18 AM
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There's nothing perverted about men finding youthful faces attractive, any more than there is anything perverted about women finding tall men attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:17 AM
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It’s usually a scrappy looking dude in his late 20 Again, can you read minds? Can you tell whether she finds him physically attractive or not? has no ambition Is there something wrong with this? with a sluttily dressed teen This doesn't narrow things down at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:03 PM
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I cannot. Cool tu quoque fallacy though. I meant can you read their minds? How would you know why young women are dating older men? there is a distinct difference between dating foreign women because you think it’ll be easier This sums up a lot of passport bros. They're taking advantage of Asian womens' preference for white men. People call anyone who goes abroad for women a "passport bro".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 09:11 AM
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You know that 18 year old is only into you because you’re older and appear to be a pillar of maturity and independence Can you read minds? in much the same way importing a woman from a developing country is predatory because her choice to be with you was primarily made because she gets to live a life much better than what she would otherwise have access to in her own country. It's not just about money. Many if not most Asian women like white guys a lot, WMAF marriages are one of the most common …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 08:15 AM
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You don't need to do anything to "be a man". Any boy that develops normally will become a man. Gatekeeping "manhood" with ideals of how you think men should act is dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 10:46 PM
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Did you get the first baby momma to pay child support at least? How did the second one "trap" you into getting her pregnant?
/r/MensRights22/07/23 10:38 PM
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Deflecting again, I'm not going to waste any more time talking to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 07:13 AM
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but there’s a good chance that’s where a older man/younger woman age gap relationship is heading. The younger woman living with the older man. Depends on what is goals are. An example without cohabitation would driving with your gf and kicking her out the car for disagreeing with you. That's hardly the end of the world. Cell phones, Uber, and taxis, exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 07:02 AM
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Hating on someone else's relationships that don't involve you in any way is not merely "having a preference". That's the subject of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 07:01 AM
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No one but you mentioned sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:58 AM
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You can have whatever preferences you want, I said it's wrong to hate on older men for not having money.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:51 AM
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older women who didn’t spend their time partying, drinking alcohol, slaving away at a career, etc and instead focused on family, health, and exercise are often attractive at advanced ages This is tradcuck cope. The wall takes no prisoners. Unless you use retinoids that shit is magic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:49 AM
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If I live with my boyfriend and he says I need to wash and fold his clothes but I need to remember that I live with him and maybe I don’t need to be here if I say no. I never said anything about cohabitation, and neither did you prior to this. That definitely changes things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:41 AM
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As far as betabux goes, it may not be a flex, but if you really understand how dating goes, you understand that it’s the natural reality for most men. I would rather be celibate for the rest of my life than be a betabux. Only in this delusional generation of men, is being an average joe and providing for your family seen as a bad thing or a failure. Previous generations of male providers at least had authority and respect. That's gone now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:40 AM
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........ "Very Wealthy Men Marry Much Younger Women" This was the headline of the article linked in the comment I was responding to. I was referring to younger women who marry very wealthy older men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:38 AM
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You said "It can be, but to a man that has to date down in age in order to wow a woman does it out of lack of effort." If you're suggesting that they could still get away with cheap first dates with older women if they put in more effort in other respects, I don't necessarily disagree. I don't know if that's necessarily "fine" though. It's easy for you to say to other people that putting in more effort isn't a big deal when you don't know anything about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:31 AM
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men using money or things they bought me as leverage to try and get me to do anything they want. I was really only put between a rock and a hard place because I had abusive parents who would threaten me similarly Comparing threatening your child to adults implicitly exchanging money for favors(sexual or otherwise) is apples to oranges. A teenager needs to live somewhere. You don't need to accept money or gifts from men you're dating. It’s easier to have someone younger choose you if they’re comi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:27 AM
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Can you specify what is dumb? Isn't it obvious? Exactly what you mentioned in your comment. "Men constantly tell women that they aren’t worthy of dating because if their looks or age or weight or n count or a bunch of other things. " There’s literally a guy here calling women over 25 “hags”. Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:24 AM
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I literally said they could take a woman their age to Red Robin and be fine. Where? You said "A young 18-22 year old will be wowed by pretty much any small thing since they are still understanding the world and would think a date to a Red Lobster would be amazing." If anyone doesn’t want to work that’s on them You're making it sound as if there's something wrong with not grinding to pay for fancy dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:23 AM
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I think most of your comment is spot on, but. Not always, but it does happen. Especially if the context in which they met is the workplace, etc. If she's working with older people, chances are she's relatively well-established in her career. If anything that's an indicator of maturity. A 25 y/o guy who is dating a 17 y/o might be a weirdo living in his parents' basement Living with your parents at that age is nothing to be ashamed about, considering the cost-of-living crisis going on. It runs di…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:21 AM
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I think that's dumb and I'd bet money that you'd feel the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:17 AM
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What about young women who are already jaded? Of course there are jaded people of every age, but younger women are far less likely to be jaded. The longer you live the more opportunities there are for you to have bad experiences, and humans are far more likely to remember bad experiences than good ones. You seem to just be making excuses to justify your attraction and urges to creep on younger women. I'm only 20 but go off I guess. You also do realize that young women date older men because they…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:16 AM
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Sounds like he was a responsible and hardworking man, even if he didn't necessarily make the most money.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:06 AM
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Betabuxxing is not a flex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:05 AM
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A young 18-22 year old will be wowed by pretty much any small thing since they are still understanding the world and would think a date to a Red Lobster would be amazing. I think that's hyperbolic TBH, it depends on their upbringing and what kind of lifestyle they're accustomed to. I do know plenty of rich college girls that go out to nice restaurants all the time. It can be, but to a man that has to date down in age in order to wow a woman does it out of lack of effort. "Just make more money br…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:03 AM
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If you’re hanging around college towns in order to creep on young women then you’re a fucking predator. Statistically, most young people don't end up going to a four-year university in an isolated college town. The white suburban middle-class/upper-class experience is not universal. They may be perceived as less jaded or less demanding, and thats due to their LACK of maturity. You’re highlighting how you’re attracted to immaturity, women who don’t have backbones and have little relationship expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 05:59 AM
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That's fair, and the point I was making is that it's dumb to suggest that older guys somehow aren't "worthy" of dating younger women because they're not as accomplished as you think they should be. Also, don't a lot of American high school seniors/juniors have cars?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 05:54 AM
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No, I don't care where you take your girlfriend out to dinner. Maybe you don't but judging by the comments I've read and the upvotes on them, plenty of women here do. I worry about older people being controlling in relationships with much younger partners. I think there's a potential for that but it depends on the type of relationship they have. If they're just hooking up or dating casually there wouldn't even be much opportunity for him to "control" her. All they'd be doing is going out and hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 05:52 AM
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I can understand why, its creepy as fuck for a man in his mid-20s+ to go for barely legal high-school aged girls. Did you read my comment? I was talking about girls in college. It just indicates to women (especially in their age group) that said man is too immature for an adult relationship and he’s dating down in maturity as a result. More likely because younger girls are less demanding and less jaded. Or maybe they just happened to be mutually interested in each other. An 18 year old and a 25 …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 05:48 AM
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her body is too masculine That's a good thing. No I am not homosexual
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 05:38 AM
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Yeah, hence the original argument: older men who prey on young women do so because it’s easy to trick young, inexperienced women into falling for their bullshit. Who said anything about "tricking"? Do you list out all of your flaws on every first date?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 05:35 AM
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I read it in it's entirety, what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 05:34 AM
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You can feel sorry for one’s situation and acknowledge their struggle…while also knowing they’re a bad dating choice. As far as I'm concerned everyone is free to date who they want. But when you start suggesting that someone isn't worthy of dating because they don't make enough money, and even go so far as to insult them for it, that's not a very good look. "I wouldn't date a guy in his 30s who lives with his parents" =/= "Guys in their 30s who live with their parents and go on dates to red lobs…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 05:31 AM
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What kind of life is she going to have with a geriatric man Many women here don't even like age gaps of 5-10 years for college-age women. What does an old man have to offer her other than money?! More or less the same things a younger man could offer? Older men tend to have more money but are less physically attractive, there's always trade-offs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 05:29 AM
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but about achieving a certain level appropriate to your age. Statistically, chances are most of these same women are self-identified progressives who would be the first ones to point out how external factors keep people poor. But I guess this sympathy isn't extended to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 05:26 AM
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To add onto that, there is a broader theme amongst age-gap critics that young women are generally more likely to ignore "flaws" in older men. But everyone has flaws, so that's hardly a convincing argument. And if older women really are so harshly critical and unforgiving then that's just one more reason for guys to go for younger chicks. Not even as a preference, but merely because their standards are more attainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 05:25 AM
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Everyone has flaws. If your point is that older women are more critical of your flaws then that's hardly a convincing argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 05:22 AM
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If your point is that women have lower standards when they're younger and that's somehow bad, that's not a very convincing argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:47 AM
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I’m in my 20s and I find it absolutely repulsive when older men hit on me. Unfortunately for them I will absolutely make a scene in public and accuse them of being predators loudly. I’m sorry but no man who’s older than 35+ has 0 reason to talk to me (not including staff, employees etc) Feel like a motte and bailey going on here. Even guys in their mid-20s to early 30s get a lot of shit for dating college girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:46 AM
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w*men need to do mental gymnastics to justify hating on deadbeat dads while they simultaneously screech about abortion rights
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:35 AM
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K-Pop is the antithesis of masculinity lol. Interestingly, this K-Pop masculinity seems to have become more appealing than the previous fascination with 'white' masculinity, particularly in Asian countries. This is just ricecel cope. White guys are still playing the dating game on recruit difficulty if they move to an east/southeast asian country. Most American women aren't into K-Pop, or east/southeast asian guys generally for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:27 AM
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Who would turn down free money?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:23 AM
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Not if you're still seeing her lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:09 AM
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I highly doubt that most men will leave themselves liable to 18+ years of child support for something as insignificant as that. The only way you could viably avoid supporting her and the child is if you go no contact and make yourself incredibly hard to locate. What you're describing is a father that is at least somewhat in the picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:49 AM
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honorary chink frfr
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:45 AM
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​ <image> You see, the line that distinguishes what animals are okay to eat and which ones aren’t is intelligence BRB going to kill and eat a downie.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:44 AM
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Young Arnold Schwarzenegger. You can't beat that jaw.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 01:42 AM
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send her a video of a gay black pornstar with glasses and dreads ejaculating while screaming "AMBATAKUUUUUUM"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 01:30 AM
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^
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:40 PM
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Hollywood celebs live under the media spotlight, look how much shit Leo gets for dating young chicks. I doubt most guys would want to put up with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:40 PM
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Maybe the BM just doesn't pursue child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:38 PM
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Why not? In this case it's a service being performed in exchange for consideration, like any other job.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:37 PM
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I've never seen the principles of natural selection being used as a "justification" for men sleeping around. An explanation for why men have a high sex drive and seek sexual variety, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:36 PM
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Problem is most refuse to work or take jobs for cash and are paid by other enabling men so there is no paper trail of their salary. How would you know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:40 PM
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I'd love me a go-getter sugar momma 🥰. But I'm not interested in older women because they're wrinkly and gross lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:33 PM
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I doubt most men feel that way, and that they'd feel strongly enough about "spreading their seed" that they'd be willing to be forced to pay child support for a kid they'd have little or no contact with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:32 PM
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Unfortunately, I feel like this almost never happens. Men regularly lie to women and encourage them to have babies when they have no intention of sticking around. Why the hell would men encourage their baby mommas to keep it if they have no intention of sticking around? You do know that they'd be on the hook for child support right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 09:21 PM
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Go to buy a car as a woman with your husband or father and you'll be almost ignored. 🤏🎻 Be a woman in your 20s or 30s with a husband and your coworkers will have thoughts on when you'll be out of work because you might get pregnant, so those big projects might not go to you. Ok, do you have any evidence for this? Meet someone with bad hygiene as a woman and they'll prefer a hug instead of a handshake. I rarely see people hug others they just met. Only friends hug. As a man you'll have an easier …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 09:12 PM
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But they have their own money. They don't have enough LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 01:01 PM
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I don't have anything against sluts but I don't respect or admire them the same way I would respect a guy who's a stud. Because it's way harder to be a stud than a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 12:59 PM
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Most of the things you mentioned are innate advantages and not social privileges. What pisses a lot of men off is that the privileges women enjoy from various institutions in society, from female-only scholarships, to diversity hiring quotas, to unofficial(but very real) privilege when it comes to criminal sentencing, etc. Literally textbook discrimination. Some groups being treated better by society than others is more likely to be regarded as an injustice compared to some groups having innate …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 04:45 AM
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No one is crying or complaining. The point of this post was to tell men not to get married, you'd know that if you had actually read it. So how do you do that? DON'T GET MARRIED, DUMBASS.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 03:17 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 03:16 AM
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By this man’s definition society has always been broken for all of the U.S history. No fault marriage didn't exist until the late 20th century. Up until recently Black people have historically had their marriages and family units trampled on by surrounding “communities” in the U.S. Like why isn’t society considered collapsed during slavery or Jim Crow. It should be by his definition and reasoning. At this point you're just deflecting. These things happened decades or centuries ago and are not re…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 03:15 AM
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This should be mandatory reading for any man who still wants to get married in this day and age. So now, what do we have? The wedding vows are just poetry. The law defines the terms of the contract, and it can and will retroactively redefine those terms at any time. Informed consent is impossible, because the papers the couple sign don't contain the terms, which occupy volumes of lawbooks unavailable to most couples, and which can change at any time. The law does not enforce the marriage contrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 02:40 AM
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Yes, if they think men would reject them, they should. Would they be committing sexual assault if they didn't? See, the difference between you and promiscuous women, is that they aren't hiding anything on purpose. You are. I don't agree that not disclosing certain information about yourself is "hiding things" people do that all the time. And regardless, promiscuous women absolutely do consciously avoid disclosing their history because you don't need to be a genius that slut-shaming is ubiquitous…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 02:07 AM
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If you're open to a relationship but not willing to promise anything "maybe" is the true and honest response. And if she hears what she wants to hear that's on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 01:56 AM
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Consideration doesn't mean that consent wasn't freely given. By that logic all wage labor is nonconsensual forced labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 01:28 AM
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What does AF/BB have anything to do with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:57 PM
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I didn't say could, I said would. You don't have to share that you have a transformers print bed sheets or a collection of toy cars You're avoiding my point. Many men would reject a woman for being too promiscuous, does that mean highly promiscuous women always have an obligation to disclose that? And yes, to not share things you know would make a person reject with you is manipulation, worse, it's heading for sexual assault territory the more tricky you're being. You're fucking insane if you th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:56 PM
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Do you think "TRP" is synonymous with "men"? There were just two that I saw. One commenter who described it as "manipulative" had a "Purple Pill" role, and the other commenter's account has since been deleted.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:38 PM
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Again, I can't say I've ever seen it. You're free to give examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:03 PM
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I don't like the word "rational", it gets thrown around a lot. What makes a decision "rational" or "irrational"? Ultimately all decisions are based on our values, desires, and our perception of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:47 PM
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I think their definition of "manipulation" is probably broader than yours, and includes literally anything designed to influence women's behavior/feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:45 PM
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TRP calls women that do this manipulative on a daily basis. When a woman has hook ups on the regular and then acts like a different woman with a guy that she wants a relationship with they call it manipulative. I don't recall ever seeing them label that behavior as "manipulative".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:43 PM
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Neither "unfair" nor "artful" are defined by deception.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:42 PM
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Yes, and I pointed out that certain TRP/PUA tactics you called out arguably aren't dishonest. You said that "manipulation" isn't necessarily dishonest and pointed to the first definition. You're going in circles here. What does "at the expense of others" mean to you? If a female server shows cleavage to influence guys into tipping more, that's quite literally an expense for them. Is that also "manipulation"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:39 PM
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but it is a broad category of information she would find repugnant and could easily be suspected to find repugnant. So not voluntarily sharing facts that could make people dislike you is "manipulation" to you? If a turboslut doesn't automatically disclose that information to every guy she starts dating them is that also "manipulative"? there are many definitions, but in this case giving a false impression AND causing them to believe something that is not true How does negging "give a false impre…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:35 PM
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"well I didn’t say yes so I wasn’t lying, and there was a chance I could’ve changed my mind” even if that “chance” was 0.0001% How are people supposed to gauge the probability that they will end up changing their minds? They can't, it's not possible. I think as long as you're genuinely open to the prospect of a relationship, even if your standards for that are very high, there's nothing dishonest about a "maybe" response.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:19 PM
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If you have a girl who you consider a “fucktoy” I doubt they mean that literally. but you use what you know of her to help rationalize continuing to do something that she considers detrimental If she considers it detrimental then why does she keep doing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:16 PM
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There is a difference between asking directly and asking for something beneficial for them and trying to influence their behavior in a way to get what you want and often at their own expense Well the definition you provided doesn't mention any of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:10 PM
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If she wants a "yes" and he says "maybe" then he definitely hasn't said what she wants to hear. But often times people hear what they want to hear regardless of what was actually said.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:06 PM
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I can't say I've ever seen it. Then all you're left with is "Behaviour that controls or influences somebody/something", which would include a huge range of behaviors that are widely considered benign. Like encouraging your partner to quit smoking even.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:02 PM
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I’m 100% convinced you’d have zero problems labeling the behaviors in female dating strategy as “manipulative.” I literally never do. When a woman implies to a man that he’s the only one she’s fucking so he will pay for dinner, but she’s actually got multiple dates set up for later that week…is that manipulative? I don't really care to use the word "manipulative", but that could be considered dishonest depending on how she "implies" that they're exclusive,
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:00 PM
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That's not what it says, it's essentially saying that getting to know women a little bit makes them more comfortable with a casual sex arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 04:58 PM
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Well I've never seen anyone on TRP advocate for hot/cold games and none of the people here claiming that have linked any comments or posts as evidence so 🤷‍♂️ Dread game doesn't necessarily involve dishonesty or deception as per the definition you provided and limiting your texts certainly doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 04:57 PM
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If someone doesn't give you the conclusive answer you want and you still stick around that's on you. In no world does "I don't know" or "we'll see" mean "yes". If you expect commitment when the other party hasn't stated as much then that's simply entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 04:53 PM
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My definition isn't really circular because I can easily just change manipulative to "x behavior / knew the truth and would regret or be harmed by that truth. I just included the word manipulative because again Again, what "truth" are you referring to? This definition doesn't make any sense. Negging is trickery based on using some pretty well-worn behavioral modification techniques. There is no deception involved. Attempting to influence someone's behavior is not necessarily "trickery". The mech…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 04:51 PM
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They're purchasing services from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 11:18 AM
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And as I explained to her, saying "maybe" when the real answer is "no" is just flat-out lying. So I don't see how that's an example of "truth-evading" that she was talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 11:15 AM
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This is some crazy mental gymnastics you're doing. If you've thought about it before and conclusively decided no, but you tell them haven't thought about it and are undecided, that's obviously a lie. Either way, if someone ever takes a "maybe" to mean "yes" then they're just hearing what they want to hear, and have zero grounds to throw accusations of dishonesty. Unfortunately most women seem allergic to accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 10:29 AM
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You don’t want to ever get married but you do want this relationship to keep going so you would say “It’s not something I’ve really thought about, I suppose if the RIGHT circumstances and the RIGHT woman came along” If you've already decided that you don't want to get married but you tell them you haven't thought about it, that's clearly lying. I doubt a woman would spring something like that on you this early on though, unless they're really traditional. You don't see much of that anymore thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 09:20 AM
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sometimes just evading the truth What do you mean by that? Not being a literal autist and saying anything that's on your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 07:44 AM
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In what world does getting to know someone a little bit constitute faking interest in a relationship? I know a lot of people, do you think I'm interested in a relationship with all of them? Do you think casual sex partners are supposed to be complete strangers to each other or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:36 AM
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Yeah, that doesn't really clear things up, what makes some behavior "unfair"? And "artful" seems relatively benign.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:31 AM
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What makes negging(light roasts)bad? Many people would simply dismiss that as playful banter. And I can't say that I've ever seen TRP advocate for hot/cold treatment, just cold really. Hot/cold treatment is something they attribute to women. Same goes for lying, if you can provide an example of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:21 AM
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The second part seems relatively straightforward, but, Pretending to be someone you're not Usually when people say this they have a broad definition and they're not referring to literally lying about who you are, or providing false information about yourself. TRP often tells men to intentionally act confident/assertive/less agreeable even when if they're not usually like that, is that "lying" to you? If service workers smile constantly as part of their job, even when they're not actually happy, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:20 AM
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You haven't said those exact words but you're just repeated the same point over and over again without elaborating or justifying it. What do you mean by "manipulation of vulnerable women" and what makes it less benign than other forms of "manipulation"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:12 AM
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okay this is flying over your head, this is a moot point anyways lets move on. Then you might as well quit this conversation because the definition of manipulative/manipulation is the whole point. okay? manipulation of vulnerable women is not regarded as benign. You're just repeating yourself like a broken clock and avoiding the actual point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:03 AM
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And when people told you what they found manipulative, you counter with ''well, I've never seen anyone on TRP advocate for this' I've read the posts she was referring to and none of them mention what she described, "pretending to be interested in a serious relationship". But if someone posts about manipulative things they've seen advocated for in TRP sub, then you go ''well, I'm not asking TRP, I'm asking women''. She's giving examples then, not really a definition. The only thing common thing I…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:02 AM
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Can you give a single example of a "TRP guy" advising men to fake interest in commitment? Because I've spent quite a bit of time browsing TRP and I've never seen it. If anything TRP advises the opposite and tells men NOT to show interest in commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 04:50 AM
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it was not redundant It's functionally redundant because you just redefined it with the word as a noun instead of an adjective. the APA defines it as such "behavior designed to exploit, control, or otherwise influence others to one’s advantage." Tons of behaviors are intended to influence people to one's advantage, many if not most of these behaviors are widely regarded as benign. Like brownnosing your boss to get a promotion or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 04:49 AM
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And this doesn't really answer the question in my post, I'm not asking TRP, I'm asking the women here how YOU define "manipulation".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 04:46 AM
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It's not even clear what point she was trying to make. In my post I'm not asking TRP, I'm asking the women here how THEY define "manipulation". And OP didn't even read the posts, she just picked out random titles. The one with the Italian dude was heavily downvoted to negative karma: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/143dp0c/how_cheating_taught_me_game/ The "stages of manipulation" was about manipulation by WOMEN: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/58jg54/stages_of_manipulat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 04:45 AM
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what makes a strategy manipulative is when it contains manipulation This definition is redundant, what is "manipulation"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 04:38 AM
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Do you lead her on to think that you want more than sex? What would "leading her on" look like to you? Is paying for dinner "leading someone on"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 04:15 AM
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It mostly amounts to getting a person to do something they would not otherwise do if you weren't being manipulative/knew the truth and would regret or be harmed by. You're tricking them into going against their own best interests or good. Your definition is kinda circular because you included "being manipulative" in the definition. stop negging, stop these mechanical escalation plans How are these things "tricking"? Women probably wouldn't be fucking these guys at all if they knew the truth. Wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 04:13 AM
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I have never seen anyone on TRP advocate for dishonestly saying or hinting that you want a relationship to get into a girl's pants. If anything the tell men to do the opposite, to not show interest in commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 04:07 AM
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Can you give examples on what you mean by "misrepresenting yourself"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 04:06 AM
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I've never seen TRP advocate for lying about being interested in a serious relationship. In fact TRP recommends the opposite, show less interest in commitment so they don't label you as a "betabucks". You'll have to come up with a better example.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 04:05 AM
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Have you ever considered the possibility that increasing numbers of men are becoming disillusioned with "relationships" because of how much women expect from their boyfriends, and how little they give in return?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 04:04 AM
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They often just haven't learned how to say no If that was the case then young men and boys would be drowning in pussy. The vast majority of women are very familiar with turning down advances.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 03:51 AM
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You were a late bloomer compared to many other women, who have had multiple relationships/hookups by the time they finish college. You're not representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 03:48 AM
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but its obviously double-edged and wrong. Speak for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 03:14 AM
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Women don’t want casual sex You should speak for yourself If women prefer sexual gratification in the context of romantic relationships(hence being less interested casual sex), then it makes sense that they are also not as interested in porn or stripping either. So I'm not sure how lower porn consumption by women is supposed to prove that they don't value appearance in a partner. It's not hard for a woman to get a relationship with a man they find decent looking either. Of the massive amounts of…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 03:10 AM
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Alpha fucks beta bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 11:09 PM
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There’s been studies on sexual response and visual aids Sexual response from women is harder to measure compared to men, and I'm not sure how you would compare between the sexes. Regardless, I disagree with you choosing to measure attraction solely by physical response instead of by who they actually choose. Attraction is more holistic than just eye dilation and blood flow to genitalia. In addition, just basic observations like pornography catered towards men versus women, strip clubs, advertisi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 11:07 PM
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and a myriad of facts and data points I’ve seen over a long period of time have led me to this conclusion Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 09:50 PM
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That being said, women’s attraction isn’t as looks-based as men’s And how would you know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 09:03 PM
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So it’s disingenuous to act like it’s an exclusively female issue. Who's doing that? Who has claimed that very few men are fat? Obesity and overweight are closely related to age, younger people are less fat than older people, and dating discussions obviously emphasize younger people because older people are far more likely to be married. We can nickel and dime all day long It's not really "nickel and diming". For American men in their 20s, the median waist circumference(90.7cm) is within the "lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 07:03 PM
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So mens complaints on the sub that they can’t attract a healthy weight woman ignores the fact that most of them aren’t in good shape either. These men you say are complaining about being unable to attraact non-fat chicks, how would you know what kind of shape they're in?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 11:54 AM
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It's not just a few "outliers". Copied and pasted from another one of my comments: That doesn't change the fact that BMI doesn't account for muscle, or the fact that men are more interested in building muscle than women are. Also factoring in that women also hold more FAT compared to men I AM factoring in women's naturally higher levels of body fat. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0033308&type=printable Women are far more likely to be classified as obese wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 08:57 AM
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Showing off his love for gardening won't grow his maxilla, mandible, or leg bones. How can you be so sure that changing his profile in that way would significantly improve his success?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 08:06 AM
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Can you link the statistics? Also, BMI is a poor way to measure obesity(properly understood as excess body fat). When measured by waist circumference or body fat percentage(adjusting for inherent differences between the sexes of course), women tend to be more obese than men. Muscle is a mitigating factor in many men that are hefty, and women are more likely to be "skinnyfat"(normal BMI range concealing obesity as a result of very little muscle).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 08:04 AM
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I think largely most of those women would simply rather be alone If that is the case then they should stop bitching about that lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 09:21 PM
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bottom of every comment there should be a "share" button.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 04:59 PM
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So women indiscriminately sleep with every guy they find attractive?? They'd be willing to. How is sex only a transactional relationship? Have you ever been in a true long term relationship where there is sex and love? Please indicate where I said that. I don't know any woman who settled for a man she wasn't attracted to Bonding hormones can increase attraction to new partners but they wear off eventually. And can you read minds? Women definitely do like men who treat them well. Not sure where t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 09:50 AM
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Why is reading "healthier" than TV?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 08:01 AM
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-women are sluts Women are sluts for guys they find attractive. -women just choose men for their money Women often use their sexuality to extract money/goods from men in one way or another, but a transactional sexual relationship is a pale shadow of one that is based on genuine attraction. -women never date anyone under 6 feet tall Strawman. -women withhold sex from their husbands for manipulation or because they don't like sex if he isn't a "Chad" Women settle down with men they don't find attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 08:01 AM
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no there isn't, go start an OF and have the whole football team run a train on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 07:50 AM
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They do not mean throwing fits, having meltdowns, not being able to talk for a day, punching holes in walls. This seems like a strawman. From all the accounts I've read from men describing negative consequences from their partners after "opening up", never have I ever seen them mention something like that. Usually it's just sharing negative emotions or some sensitive personal information. And the behavior you described certainly doesn't fit the ordinary definition of "emotional vulnerability".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 07:15 AM
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But I can categorically state that it's basically complete rubbish for people in the 40+ group. My current relationship, she approached me initially, and while I would say we're definitely trying to maintain equality in our relationship, probably there's a slight asymmetry of effort on her side. You're basing this off of just your one singular personal experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 07:08 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 10:18 PM
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I'm definitely not egalitarian but this phenomenon Many women have the opportunity to not work and be financially supported by their husbands, while men have to work for financial security. is frankly insane. It's so common for women to not work or work less due to leeching off of their husbands/boyfriends, and it really fucks over men. It has to end.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 05:59 PM
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The memes write themselves but retarded foids here still keep saying that "autistic guys should just date autistic women teehee". Female users here greatly downplay how selective even undesirable women such as yourself can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 11:29 AM
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Classic, sperg woman only wants to date NT guys. The memes write themselves but retarded foids here still keep saying that "autistic guys should just date autistic women teehee".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 10:52 AM
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Guys forget that girls need to feel emotionally as well as physically safe. I doubt that considering how much action violent criminals, drug dealers, and "unsafe" men generally tend to get. If it’s the latter I feel bad for the guy, but either way, my friend literally felt scared to go to work. No, you're just disgusted by unattractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 10:50 AM
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chad sperg 100%
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 10:49 AM
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Sure, that doesn't make it a "service". If anything the fact that it can only be obtained in a genuine relationship built on attraction, instead of simply being bought, means it isn't a "service".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 02:38 AM
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He's often talked about his experiences as a public defender here, you're making yourself look like dumbass
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 10:51 PM
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based slavs
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 10:48 PM
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What does that have to do with anything? Not every parent displays affection for their children, does that mean parents showing affection towards their children is also a "service"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 10:46 PM
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Don't shift the goal posts, you described it as a "service", and no one has brought up sex work but you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 09:20 PM
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Okay you’re right it’s not shaming Indeed. but it is telling a woman that she should be with a man So are we shifting the goalposts now? "Telling" is a very strong word here, are they being ORDERED to date men they don't find attractive? No, they're being encouraged to be less picky and give guys a chance in the hopes that maybe he'll grow on her. People may not actually use that word these days but they still look down on women who are single. Do they? How would you know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 09:19 PM
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Right after college, he hooks up with a girl, then starts dating her and eventually marries her. She must be less attracted to him than the girls he didn’t marry were. Most people don't marry that young anymore. The view that any guy who finds love People get married for reasons other than love and attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 05:54 AM
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If view those things as a "service" then you have an incredibly transactional view of relationships. including submission....caring TRP generally promotes an independent mindset for men and does not expect either of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 05:52 AM
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Give him a chance. He does that because he likes you. That's not "shaming". If you don’t settle down you’ll die a spinster. I have literally never heard that word said IRL. This isn't the 1950s anymore. In fact the fact that their really is no male version of “spinster” says it all. Because far fewer men are voluntarily single/celibate. Male "spinsters" virtually don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 01:22 AM
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yas king slayyyyy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 01:17 AM
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^
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 12:55 AM
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while simultaneously desiring their bodies and service intensely The "service" part isn't really true for TRP, if you're not settling down then you can't expect much in the way of homemaking from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 12:53 AM
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It might be a regional thing, but any man I've ever met in real life who wants a "trad wife" usually just wants a wife that will take care of him like a second mom Which state do you live in and what was their income range. You can't really raise kids and work part time, at least in the first 5-10 years of a child's life, if you dont have access to reliable childcare School starts at age 4 in the US At least in the US, daycare is expensive Depends on where you live. If it's expensive where you l…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 05:15 AM
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Why do you care about virginity if you're not going to marry them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 04:18 AM
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I have considered that, and rejected it for the most part. Certainly much of it is hyperbolic but it has a strong basis in truth based on my own research. They don't want the responsibilities of being a trad husband How would you know that? and it's also basically impossible to fund a household with a singular income. Why are you assuming that he would necessarily be the sole breadwinner? I would consider a relationship where the woman works part time and earns significantly less, while doing th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 04:17 AM
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So? "RP is turning mainstream because it soothes men's ouchies about women moving towards equality and not having to fuck them." You were talking about the present, and therefore so was I. And the vast majority of users here live in developed, western, countries. TRP is overwhelmingly western.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 03:51 AM
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Ditch Western Women a few days ago, by GayLubeOil Ah yes, I found that post. Never did like GLO. I haven't really been active there for a few years now. There are a lot more tradcucks like him there now obsessed with finding a "tradwife" UncleVasley posted a couple about 90% of men on the subreddit still 'having bluepill hopes (marriage)" bluepill oreas/destroy the Disney dream? Etc Yes this is very much what TRP used to be like. Anti-commitment and anti-marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:52 AM
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Women having “unrealistic preferences” is routinely shamed, women are encouraged and told to settle all the time By the manosphere? Sure. In mainstream society? Rarely.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 06:30 PM
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For the last time most of you here don’t have anything for anyone to take half of. How would you know? Do you have access to our tax filings? Most divorce settlements are based off of how long you’ve been married. Why is this relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 06:25 PM
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This meme isn't "attacking women for their preferences", it's making fun of women that are hypocritical because they constantly attack men's physical preferences while maintaining their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 06:22 PM
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Which constraints specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 06:12 PM
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If you really want to fuck then you don't have a low sex drive......
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:46 AM
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Yes 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:46 AM
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The majority of people in the anglophone world are white, what did you expect?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:46 AM
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Women are wonderful
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:44 AM
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wtf a dead fetus? nigga that shit is NSFL
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:41 AM
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As if ugly chicks treat guys any better 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:40 AM
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niggas tryna go for asian chicks be playing on veteran difficulty 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:37 AM
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about women moving towards equality More like moving towards ever-increasing privilege. I can name countless institutions, laws, and policies in western countries that explicitly favor women. Can you do the same for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:34 AM
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It's one thing to not want to settle down with the town bicycle, but if you're virgin-hunting in this day and age you might as well be unicorn hunting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:32 AM
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Did you fail english in grade school? "Thanks to" in most contexts is synonymous with "because of". Instead of addressing the main point you're trying(and failing) to nitpick my word choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:30 AM
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Most men can't afford to be too selective in that regard, because women prefer higher-earning men. And I don't see how that justifies the status quo of joint assets in marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:29 AM
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Men still significantly outearn women in married/cohabitating couples and most men don't mind settling down with a woman who earns significantly less than him. Even if she's still working full time after settling down, she will in all likelihood have a far better standard of living thanks to a higher earning partner. Many marriages don't work out. If it "doesn't work out" chances are she still gets a payout.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:04 AM
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oh, the humanity! I doubt you would be defending a man that so much as laid a finger on his partner if that's all she was doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 07:43 PM
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Ended up stabbing him with a mechanical pencil "Women rarely abuse men teehee"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 07:24 PM
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ADHD diagnoses especially are scuffed. The system HAS TO force people to behave in ways that are increasingly remote from the natural pattern of human behavior. For example, the system needs scientists, mathematicians and engineers. It can’t function without them. So heavy pressure is put on children to excel in these fields. It isn’t natural for an adolescent human being to spend the bulk of his time sitting at a desk absorbed in study. A normal adolescent wants to spend his time in active cont…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 07:19 PM
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Gay male relationships have the highest rate of cheating. how would you know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 04:54 PM
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gigacope indeed
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 04:52 PM
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The former is kind of an L for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 04:46 PM
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"In many of its forms, feminism seems to involve at least two groups of claims, one normative and the other descriptive. The normative claims concern how women ought (or ought not) to be viewed and treated and draw on a background conception of justice or broad moral position; the descriptive claims concern how women are, as a matter of fact, viewed and treated, alleging that they are not being treated in accordance with the standards of justice or morality invoked in the normative claims" Do yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 04:45 PM
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W*men are genuinely insane for blaming most relationship problems on men, if that was the case then why are lesbian couples far more likely to get divorced than gay male or straight couples? There's a common denominator here and it sure as hell ain't men. gigacope incoming lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 04:42 PM
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MRP is primarily for guys who discovered TRP after getting married, many users even have kids. I doubt most of them would recommend making the same decision they did to younger, single, guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 04:37 PM
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Now, if some of them could focus instead of competing to see who has it worse. Some variation of "women have it worse" is literally one of the defining beliefs of the feminist movement. Pot calling the black here bucko. Besides, attributing all of men's social grievances to "the patriarchy" isn't convincing. It's not "the patriarchy" pushing for policies in education and employment that favor women, it's feminists. It's not "the patriarchy" pushing for attitudes like #believewomen which enables …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 04:31 PM
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How would you know that? Do you have any data? Men still outearn women significantly in childless couples Why would we compare single people when women actively prioritize selecting higher-earning partners. Single men are single often in part due to a lack of earnings. It's because either they really want children and see that as the proper way, or they love the man so they want to And/or they want his money lol and it is not for a man (health, wealth, years lived, stress, happiness) Ok, where's…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 11:06 AM
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There are posts about going abroad (not as sexpats, but for finding traditional wives) Can you link a post like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 11:00 AM
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"women earn our money now we don't need men teehee" is turbocope just because women earn enough money to not starve doesn't mean they're satisfied, after all they're main drivers of "Keeping up the Joneses" and consumerism. evidently women cannot overcome their lizard-brain drive to leech off us since the vast majority still end up settling down with men that significantly outearn them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 10:44 AM
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Women don't need marriage anymore. We earn our own money. You might earn enough to survive but obviously not enough to be satisfied. Men still outearn women, especially men who are selected committed relationships. The easiest way for a woman to increase her material quality of life is by finding a man that will pay for shit, which is the vast majority of women still get married eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 10:42 AM
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a lot of conversation does revolve around marriage/lowering chance of divorce/finding a wifey-type Which "TRP" people are saying this? Can you link an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 10:37 AM
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Twilight would have been considered a horror film if Edward was depicted by Danny DeVito instead of Robert Pattinson.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 08:49 AM
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I mean you have little way of proving to others what kind of person you really are online. If for instance, a woman here claims that she doesn't care that much about height, I'm not going to accept that at face value because women are regularly criticized for being "too shallow"(both here and IRL) so they have incentives to lie about those sorts of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:32 PM
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It was unclear what you meant by "blamed". If a guy prefers not to date slutty women without saying or believing that slutty women are bad people, is that "blaming"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:29 PM
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Peter must be disciplined (despite showing to be lazy and impulsive) because he is a man! Mary must be nurturing (despite showing to be spiteful, especially to kids) because she is a woman. I don't think initially assuming probable traits based on sex necessitates clinging on to those assumptions when behavior contrary to those assumed traits is presumed observed. I mean, you probably assume all men are dangerous when you're out late at night.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:56 PM
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If you think the opposite gender should be blamed for dating/fucking bad people, but think your gender should coddled for their own bad taste in sex partners, that’s hypocrisy. How does sexual dimorphism justify that kind of hypocrisy? Without making moral judgements, I'm just not convinced that it's "hypocritical" for individuals to seek out traits in partners that they themselves do not possess. Because of sexual dimorphism. A promiscuous guy seeking out less promiscuous women is really no dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:53 PM
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I've just edited my comment extensively. I'll tell you how many. ZERO. Because mentally retarded women aren't going on dates. To suggest otherwise would be absurd. What you makes you think can tell whether an individual would have been classified as "mentally retarded" under the depreciated definition? Definitions are important, for my generation "retard" is primarily used as an insult directed towards anyone. Why is it "absurd"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:29 PM
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I mean exactly what everyone else meant by mental retardation before it became a depreciated term within the field of psychology. "In 2007, the American Association on Mental Retardation was renamed the American Association on Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities, and also changed the name of its affiliated journal." Many users here were young children when that happened, to them "retard" was and is just a schoolyard insult, nothing more. You know what a mental retard is. I know the depre…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:11 PM
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Then why would someone say I don't know, ask them. Why would someone lump mentally retarded women "Mental retardation" is now a depreciated term within the field of psychology due to the fact that "retard" was adopted as a schoolyard insult. So you should probably be a bit more specific on what you mean by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 08:15 AM
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If they're severely retarded enough to tell from a glance(like if they have Down syndrome) their parents still probably care for them and prohibit them from having a sexual/romantic life, or at the very least severely restrict it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 10:46 PM
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Skinny skaterboy I agree the importance of muscle is overrated, height and bone structure matters more. Unfortunately, unlike with muscle most men cannot feasibly change those traits. to fat funny guy Fat guys struggle a lot. you're looking for someone to spend the rest of your life with How old are you? A lot of younger people aren't necessarily looking for that, at least not currently. They're just looking to have fun and make memories.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 10:42 PM
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Which means someone thought they were attractive. There are motivations for marriage other than marriage. Out of all the different kinds of sexual/romantic relationships, marriage is arguably the one least influenced by attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 10:40 PM
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I don't know, that's why I said "probably not".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 10:32 AM
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I think those countries are less popular destination for sexpats because to be honest they're F-tier shitholes with few redeeming qualities. I was looking up the poverty rates for Thailand, Vietnam, and the Philippines. Various poverty thresholds for Thailand and Vietnam all put the poverty rate at less than 10%, and the World Bank provides a figure of 18% for the Philippines.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 09:15 AM
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I’m not saying all prostitutes through the years and in all cultures were indentured, trafficked or lacked autonomy Most working people today "lack autonomy", they are employed by a company and do what their boss/manager tells them to do. Sex workers are hardly unique in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 09:12 AM
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The prostitute is also "profiting" in the sense that she's getting paid to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 09:11 AM
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Unfortunately for you(and the coomers hoping to take advantage of this) all mandatory reproduction will be carried out via artificial insemination.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 09:00 AM
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You tell me. Many countries tried an "alternative to capitalism" in the past century; it resulted in economic stagnation at best and famine at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 08:58 AM
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Probably not, unless she really wants it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 08:55 AM
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I asked how often 12 year olds used this power on you. Why are you making this about me? I certainly noticed there were creepy old men giving me weird sexual attention, that didn’t leave me feeling powerful in any way, it felt like being targeted by a predator. I was talking about attention from your peers. And not necessarily starting from that age. And then thinking I had a super power making them give me things as if they don’t fucking control themselves? Again, I was talking about your peers…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 01:04 AM
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You're incredibly deluded if you think most people in SEA are "impoverished". The poverty rate is usually less than 15%. They may not enjoy the standard of living that people in the west do but for the most part they have enough food to eat, a home with basic utilities(electricity, light, running water), and other necessities. They get by just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 01:02 AM
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Too tall, to muscular give them to me smh 🥰
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 12:58 AM
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He's talking about behavioral masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 12:58 AM
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It's less about the women being "better" than it is about the competition being less intense. If an average western white guy goes to SEA, chances are their competition is significantly poorer, shorter, and arguably less physically masculine than them. And the women are significantly poorer as well so they don't have the same socioeconomic demands that western women do. Someone else mentioned less obesity and that's definitely a significant plus but I don't think guys care as much as some women …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 12:54 AM
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That's just your personal experience. Some people mature faster(in both social and physical respects) than others. I never said all or even most girls get attention from their peers or start dating by that age.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 12:43 AM
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From my understanding most prostitutes in the past were either independent or employed by/contracting for a brothel. It wasn't criminalized in most societies so it wasn't as associated with organized crime compared to today, it was more like any other job.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 12:42 AM
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"Free" as in they weren't slaves and were either employees or self-employed. Hence, profiting from their prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:45 PM
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I'm not sexualizing anyone. That's just the age where their male peers will start developing sexual/romantic interest in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:44 PM
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Free prostitutes have absolutely existed in most pre-industrial cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:50 PM
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So the rich men who have money from their rich parents are magically different? Never said that, don't put words in my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:12 PM
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Really? I don’t think I understood any such thing at 12! I don’t even think I know what “power” my “sexuality” ever had even to this day? You don't need a class, anyone who isn't retarded will notice that guys are attracted to them and will do things for them to try to get with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:11 PM
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This is the first time in human history where women are able to own their own sexuality and access to sex in whatever way that they want. Bullshit. There's a reason why it's called the "oldest profession".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:09 PM
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So judging by you sidestepping the question, I'm going to assume that your female friends in grad school made their boyfriends pay rent to live with her. Most people aren’t fortunate. Her guys counterparts who paid for their partners things also have rich parents. One is gay, he doesn’t expect his partner to work either. The gender doesn’t really matter here. It absolutely does matter. One rich heiress being generous with her money with her male partners is far from representative of women as a …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:08 PM
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It's just that the guys I'm interested in don't approach me. Right, as I said, too picky lol. Womp womp.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:05 PM
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Dad, I haven't had much luck dating. "Put yourself in situations where men approach you(bars, clubs, dating apps, parties, etc, or approach men if no one's interested. Lower your physical standards if no one wants to commit" Really this is a silver bullet for female """dating struggles""" lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:23 AM
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let the guy live with them during the summer or during the school year For free? But she has wealth Right so she has really rich parents, most women aren't so fortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:20 AM
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I don’t know anyone, outside of some very wealthy friends who actually paid off their partners debt How many is "some"? And of these friends who paid off their partner's debt, how many were female?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 05:50 PM
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Debt is a greater problem for women because they tend to spend more time and money on formal education but simultaneously earn less than men,
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 04:05 PM
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That's likely a symptom of excessive androgens, and you'd have to be extraordinarily unlucky for that to be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 08:01 PM
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Yeah, having your body forever changed Our bodies are always changing. A gap between your ab muscles or even a scar isn't the end of the world. Adoption is also a thing Indeed, but in practice it's difficult for women to give up their child that they carried for 9 months, gave birth to, and held in their arms.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:21 AM
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Because the constitution limits the powers of the federal government to those specified in it. Although sycophant and activist judges and have undermined this over the past century, criminal law is still largely considered a state power. That's why criminal law is different in every state. Strict abortion restrictions at the state-level may be considered constitutional now, but if the federal government tried to ban it nationwide that would be a different ball game.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 01:55 AM
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I doubt that would be constitutional.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 12:51 AM
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It's not really an abbreviation. "Mrs." is the standard English honorific for a married woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 12:46 AM
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Most women have a hard time doing that once they've spent 9 months carrying their child, gave birth, and are holding it in their arms. Maternal bonding is very strong in humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 12:45 AM
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It's not weight distribution that's the problem, it's excess body fat, period. The overwheming consensus in medicine is that most people in the west, especially women, have way too much body fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 12:44 AM
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its when women go to college to look for a husband lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 08:08 PM
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People being forced to physically give birth know what it's like to be a man. Everyone, pro-choice and pro-life, knows that 9 months of gestation and childbirth is not the primary burden associated with abortion restrictions. It's the 18+ years of childrearing that comes after that. Progressive messaging against Dobbs has overwhelmingly focused on the social and economic burden that is childrearing. The father's of my sister's kids both slept with her consensually. And the same could be said for…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 08:03 PM
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I can't help but feel schadenfreude whenever women bitch about abortion restrictions and complain about women being forced to become mothers. Many of these women probably shit on "deadbeat dads" before, without ever considering whether those men ever wanted to become fathers or not. Well, now they know what it's like to be a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 07:37 PM
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Both sexes here, to be honest. But more so women, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 06:46 PM
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Do you regularly put yourself in situation where it's common for men to approach(bars, clubs, parties, dating apps) or have you ever approached a guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 05:41 PM
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Men are more aesthetic when women take off their makeup by a long shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 05:38 PM
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Sure, which is why I don't assume they're always lying. I just don't necessarily accept their word at face value.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 05:36 PM
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I think the generally judgmental and critical attitude of redpill/blackpill users here makes many women averse to being fully forthright and honest. Not saying there's anything wrong with being judgmental and/or critical, sometimes that's warranted, but it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 07:46 AM
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I generally refrain from accusing women here of lying but that doesn't mean I'm going to accept their word at face value. When women are characterized negatively here, female users have a strong incentive to downplay the extent that characterization applies to them. Because admitting it would make them, and women as a whole, look bad. The only way you can hope to get relatively honest responses from women is in a non-hostile and non-judgmental environmental and PPD is the polar opposite of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 06:11 AM
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The GSS data he's referencing was collected in early 2021, about a year into the pandemic. One sex was far more fearful and compliant during the pandemic than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 06:06 AM
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If it's due to women being less selective with regards to income, sure. If it's due to women earning more as a result of affirmative action programs, hell no.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:04 AM
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It's also to be expected that the vast majority of women won't appreciate your vague generalizations regarding their innate sexual preferences. Regardless of your statements' accuracy and validity. Unfortunately so. Unironically feelz over realz.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:12 PM
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I'd think that it would have been better to set the threshold at 55/45 for the purposes of the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:11 PM
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60/40 is one partner making 50% more than the other. It's closer closer to 67/33 than it is to 50/50. Also currently 38% raise wouldn’t do much for me, but that’s because I make not enough lol. Right, because you're a refugee right now. If you were working your regular job I'd bet that a 38% raise would be massive to you, but somehow when a man outearns his wife by that much it's "not a big deal"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:09 PM
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It's 38% more, and you can brand new budget car for 30k in the States, so I'd say that's a lot of money. If you got a 38% raise at your job that wouldn't be a big deal for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:50 PM
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Men outearn women even in childless couples: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/12l5b2u/male_vs_female_income_in_childless_couples/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:45 PM
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In 29% of marriages today, both spouses earn about the same amount of money. They're defining "about the same" very broadly" as anything less than a 60/40 split. So a couple where the husband earns 110k and the wife earns 80k would be classified as "egalitarian". Is that "about the same" to you? It isn't to me, if someone who was earning 80k suddenly got a raise to 110k they'd probably be ecstatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:44 PM
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Not sure if that's sarcasm but, but even in the absence of arranged marriages in the US, women's sexuality was still heavily restricted by social mores and even laws in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:39 PM
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If you're a woman far more fat will go towards your hip/thigh area. Unless you have way too much of it, and most western women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:37 PM
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I'm annoyed about how many young women get taken advantage of How are they being "taken advantage of"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:46 AM
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Beauty is a value judgement. Women's sexuality has been restricted and controlled in most of the world for the past few millenia.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:43 AM
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Aren't you the self-described clueless virgin who made that post about how TRP is "morally wrong"? And you censored the word "sex"? Lol. It reduces men down to machines, who are told to be calculated and emotionless. This is what women desire No, they say not to show too many NEGATIVE emotions like sadness, anxiety, insecurity, etc. Cant get a girl? Weak, inferior, a lesser man, a superior man will be enjoying the women. Most people think this way, if not openly saying it. If anything the manosp…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:39 AM
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Can you give an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:52 AM
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Women are not motivated by money Men use money to get the attention of women. If using money to get women's attention works, then women are motivated by money.....
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 09:53 PM
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Unless you're married with kids and you sacrificed career progression to be a SAHM, you'd have no one to blame but yourself for that. If you were a married SAHM you'd be entitled to child support and probably alimony.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 09:52 PM
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Managing body fat primarily comes down to diet, not exercise. The vast majority of your energy expenditure comes from basal metabolic functions, not exercise. If you put down the fork you will lose weight. The vast majority of physicians will primarily recommend limiting food intake to lose body fat, not exercising.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 01:25 PM
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You're arguing against established human physiology here. Sex hormones quite literally regulate where our fat is stored.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 01:24 PM
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How many women get gestational diabetes after pregnancy?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 10:04 AM
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In my view it's not healthy to be motivated primarily by your libido. This is an absurd take. Virtually everything about humans, and organisms in general, evolved for the purpose of facilitating reproduction in one way or another. That's what natural selection is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 01:48 AM
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"Touching grass" won't help much if women they're pursuing still have a plethora of options on OLD. Also once they're in the workforce they won't have as much time to do all of the things you mentioned. A Stanford study in 2019 found that half of all new couples in serious relationships met online. It's probably even higher for younger people and/or less serious sexual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 01:45 AM
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Women let themselves go when they marry and/or have kids with a man because they have him locked down, and it will be difficult for him to leave her without great cost to himself 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 01:42 AM
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One view is based on scientific research, the other is based on personal anecdotes and a highly biased defensive/apologetic attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 12:27 AM
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A common complaint from men on this sub is that average men are "denied access" to casual sex and that they can only hope to have sex in a relationship. Because most women have sex without commitment, so if she's making YOU wait it's a red flag. Women don't demand things in exchange for sex for men they're attracted to. But in every discussion about partner count, it is claimed that every sexual partner makes it harder to pair bond, increases probability of divorce, increases risk of infidelity,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 12:24 AM
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Browsing the TRP little sub is an indication of all red pillers ? Do you have anything better? you are willing to strawman the post It's not a strawman, you were the one who gave a figure of 25, and used a video of women in their early-mid 20s to debunk your dumb strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 12:22 AM
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Women change physically with pregnancy and delivery Permanent metabolic changes/body fat that you can't lose is not one of those changes. and very often don’t have a minute for themselves until the youngest turns three. You don't need time to not be fat just don't stuff your face.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 12:21 AM
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What's "simplistic" about it? My mom is 50 with two kids and she's not fat because she doesn't stuff her face. You don't need time or money for that, just some self-control.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 12:20 AM
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Another example is Yumi nu which is a model who was shamed by Jordan peterson.Below and by many sources I've seen she is around 5'11 160 to 175 pounds which is actually considered a healthy weight. This is literally just a random website, why would I trust that? Red pillers will claim women are "post wall" by 25 or whatever the case may be I've browsed TRP and most RedPillers don't think women generally hit the "wall" at 25. It's not as if it's easy to guess a woman's specific age, because their…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 07:16 PM
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Neither did I.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 06:57 PM
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But it's already disproving the key claim of many men on this sub, which is average men can't even get their foot in the door I don't think that. It's harder when you're younger and easier when you get older and have more money. But money does not make for genuine attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 06:48 PM
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Pregnancy doesn't cause permanent metabolic changes to our knowledge. Women simply let themselves go after they've had kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 06:46 PM
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I would not advise getting anywhere near that line. It’s not hard to stay away from it. Just have sex with sober people. Social situations more often than not involve alcohol, especially for younger people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 12:28 AM
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When most guys talk about sex with drunk chicks they're not talking about someone who's not conscious and/or can't talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 11:50 PM
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If you knew or had reason to know she was incapable of apprising the nature of the conduct, was incapable of communicating lack of consent, or incapable of declining/refusing participation If someone is lucid and verbal then none of those things apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 10:30 PM
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and in most cases if she is visibly drunk the legal standard is that it is unreasonable to conclude she is capable of consenting, period. From the literature I've read this is far from the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 10:30 PM
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What I’m saying is when it comes to actual internal worlds and actual attitudes, males seem to be okay with “well I was told” and females are more likely to want to understand “why and how” You got any evidence for that? https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/146902/1/869661361.pdf https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16551381/ https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/gender-differences-covid-19-perception-and-compliance Middle, elementary, and pre school teachers/guardians say similarly. I'd think that most …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 10:26 PM
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They don’t question and move b&w hierarchy. Individuals today have limited ability to do so. And would women do that if they were in the same position? I doubt it. And research I've seen indicates that there is less variation in cognitive traits within women compared to men, and they are generally more compliant than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 06:26 PM
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Obviously they're not synonymous, there's multiple factors involved in attraction. But research on human females indicates that mate-choice copying is a factor in attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 05:57 PM
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It means she’s open to investigate if he is attractive. This is a necessary prerequisite to being interested in him. You're just grasping at straws here. No one claimed that every single woman finds every single taken man attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 05:24 PM
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Males tend to be "better soldiers" because they're stronger, more physically resilient, and more willing to use violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 05:21 PM
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I didn't say that women valued sexual pleasure from all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 06:59 PM
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He wasn't blaming anyone, he was just making a descriptive statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 04:57 AM
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You'll hear men congratulating their sons for sleeping with many women while they threaten their daughter to keep her legs closed. Is that because they view their daughters as "property" or because they're more protective of their daughters? Considering how so many women here, and on Reddit generally, characterize men as predatory, the latter seems to be more logically consistent with their views. Then again, expecting logical consistency from women is like expecting a monkey to learn calculus.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 04:41 AM
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Five daughters and zero sons is a major disappointment TBH. Personally, I would never want a daughter even if she was the Virgin Mary herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 04:37 AM
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Most women get pleasure from PIV, even if they don't orgasm. Especially if it's big enough. Whether men care about their partner's pleasure or not is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 03:36 AM
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Really? I thought women did all those things for themselves.......
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 03:36 AM
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Something something all is fair in love and war. For the most part I don't care what they expect, unless they want to leech off a man financially, and unfortunately so many of them do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 11:54 PM
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women are valued for providing too—providing sexual pleasure Both sexes are valued in that respect. I think women tend to value men for what they provide financially far more than they inverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 11:53 PM
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I think the fertility part definitely falls under "what they provide". But not the sexual attraction part. Your body and your appearance is obviously part of who you are, it's not something you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 11:50 PM
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ew
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 10:46 PM
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It wasn't this bad in the 1990s and 2000s, even amongst educated women with good careers. Most people still end up settling down when they're older, few older men are single and celibate. Women still settle down with men that have good incomes. Even if they can get by on their own income, a provider means children and/or a better material quality of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 10:33 PM
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her first kid is my age lol how does she look for a post-wall woman
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 10:27 PM
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she had a tramp stamp. She didn't had a dad, had a history of substance abuse, her grandparents were raising her kids. She had her first kid when she was 16. hot tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 10:20 PM
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However, women work more in the social sector (healthcare, teaching, administration, Human Resources etc.). These are all careers that require a certain amount of emotional and physical work. And the work doesn’t leave them when they enter their homes after a long day. Teachings get like 3 months off a year. I'm not aware of nurses having to do anything when they're technically off the job. I can't say for the other ones, but that's hardly unique to female jobs. So unless a woman is financially …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 12:18 PM
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because women don't have control over how their body distributes fat. That's true to a point. Women by and large tend to gain fat in their chest and butt/hip/thigh area, so if a chubby chick is bitching about fat that goes "straight to her belly" she probably just has too much fat and needs to put down the fork. Like, come on, have you have ever met a chick that was only fat in the middle?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 12:14 PM
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This includes older people who didn't have dating apps when they were younger and dating.....
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:29 PM
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There was a significant disparity even prior to the advent of agriculture (which enabled widespread slavery). And while men may have been more likely to die young from violent causes, for the vast majority of human existence it was very common for younger women to die from pregnancy/childbirth complications. These are not convincing explanations.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 06:39 PM
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I've never met a guy who is happy and proud of his life who hasn't been able to get a girlfriend. They're happy at least in part BECAUSE they can attract women..... romance can ENHANCE your happiness but out of itself it's not a source of happiness I think most people would disagree, and also sexual gratification is definitely a source of happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 06:33 PM
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There are too many manosphere influencers pushing marriage and "muh tradwife" cope.
/r/TheRedPill23/05/23 10:52 PM
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My ideas come from my parents 30 year marriage which boil down to: give generously and don’t keep score Men have been doing this and get burned because women don't reciprocate. You're honestly a sucker if you're generous to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 03:41 PM
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What's so "unhealthy" about older guys dating younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 03:11 PM
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And in today's world, it probably is. Cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 11:03 AM
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