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It could also be that healthier people get married though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 09:39 PM
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Capitalism raises the living standards for the bottom on nearly every metric, same with dating. Less than average men are getting more sex than they ever have historically.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 05:57 PM
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They hate them after they're played. Part of being a good "player" is tricking them into thinking they have a serious chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 05:49 PM
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Women want “masculine” men. Most women see taller as more masculine. It’s not logical/rational. It’s like men thinking that short hair or doesn’t know how to cook = less feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 07:48 PM
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I'm not arguing with you, I was genuinely trying to understand your point (but you seem to have an axe to grind, so whatever). You are making a 1:1 comparison - you're saying that it's hypocritical for women to complain about oppression for 100 years, and then ask men to take on the same gender role today. I'm saying that the "oppression" women complained about wasn't motherhood specifically, but the fact that they didn't have a choice; they literally needed a man to survive. Men can choose to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 10:41 AM
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Yes, women weren't legally allowed to work, have a bank account, vote, or complete education.. It's not reversing the roles. Men could be a primary parent today and still have a bank account, work part-time, go to school etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 09:41 AM
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Women didn’t demonize men for working; it was primarily men who dismissed motherhood as being as difficult as a full-time job (and this still occurs). You also didn’t explain how this shows women wanting “supremacy”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 09:21 AM
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I don’t follow.. can you explain your point more?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 08:43 AM
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I assume it would be close to the study, like 30%.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 01:02 PM
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Do you count calories? I like McDonald’s too though..
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:29 PM
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You’d probably start to eat more from the boredom.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:26 PM
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Nah, dating apps barely work even for Chad's IMO. For a multitude of reasons: apps are a sausage fest, most women prefer meeting someone in person, men suck at taking photos of themselves, etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 04:25 PM
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I disagree that people mean that, I think most people refer to “drink spiking” as anything put in a drink with a bad/predatory intention. We had police come to our high school and talk about drink spiking and they explained that most drinks are spiked with alcohol. It wasn’t to sound smart, but that I meant that alcohol can and often does leads to the same result as harder drugs like GHB.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 11:30 AM
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For the men I know, they are introverted guys who just don’t go out enough. They don’t approach women and they don’t have big enough social circles that include single women to meet them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 07:21 AM
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Alcohol is a drug.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 07:13 AM
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The infamous OKC study that gets shared here showed that the majority of men only messaged the top 20% of women. It doesn’t need to be Jessica alba levels, men who are 3’s are going after women who are 5’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 12:19 PM
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Yes, I said it’s for both genders. Women think they’re higher than they are, men think they’re higher than they are, both end up getting no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 10:37 AM
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It’s a lot of people’s problem, both men and women. You see it here on PPD all the time too - men don’t realise that a woman being thin, young, childless is already the top 20%.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 09:51 AM
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It's the same problem as men - mostly they're shooting out of their league and can't get the people they're attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 09:09 AM
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Share the studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 02:34 AM
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Why does this new option benefit women though? I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 09:02 AM
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The issue isn’t with people having standards, it’s with them not understanding that their standards make their dating life harder. No one cares that men want young, thin women with no kids - just stop expecting that to be easier to find/get.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 01:49 AM
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I don't frequent TwoX and am not a mod, so I can't say. Regardless, you are missing the point - why was every post in the sub about women and relationships? I would expect that MGTOW focuses more on what men are doing with their free time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 03:30 PM
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MGTOW (on all social platforms, not only the subreddit) has never focused on content of men happily going their own way, it's always been bitter, endless rants about women. Posting about women angrily every day is not "going your own way", it's obsession mixed with self-delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 03:05 PM
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The point is that the mgtow sub wasn’t filled with posts of men happily going their own way.. it was filled with posts ranting about and insulting women. That’s why it was banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 05:25 AM
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Nerrrddssss
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 04:39 PM
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It's literally exactly the same - are you honestly trying to say that fat women don't have it harder than thin women? There are objective markers of attractiveness for both genders. Yes, anyone who isn't "conventionally attractive" will have it harder but the extent matters. It doesn't mean that being short means that you'll get zero women and should already give up..
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 03:24 PM
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It's like women saying "most men prefer victoria's secret models". Yes, average people are less desirable, but they still have plenty of options/chances to find a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 02:41 PM
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I assume men see shorter men as less masculine too, same for guys with small dicks. Almost every woman sees herself as attractive so what does that tell you? The study shows that it's not every woman. Even if we flat-out agree that taller men are more attractive than shorter men, it doesn't matter much unless you can tell the extent to which a shorter man's options are impacted/lessened.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 02:18 PM
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Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 02:26 PM
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Yet, I still see women get with guys that they're clearly not really into starting around age 30. How do you know that they're "clearly not really into" them?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 12:14 PM
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That doesn’t mean they are attracted to them, it means they fuck them for the clout / opportunistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 07:10 AM
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Why would you expect to be rejected more? I don’t get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 08:46 PM
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while men as a whole have such a wide variety that it includes all women. Only for sex. Men's standards/requirements increase for relationships/marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 06:49 PM
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Because it's only a preference, not a dealbreaker. Why can you prefer steak but still enjoy hamburgers?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 06:47 PM
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Yes I agree with you, we don’t know unless we were to ask the woman. But if someone is filtering out people based on a certain trait, indicating they absolutely won’t date someone without that trait, I would assume it’s a dealbreaker. If they then later happily date someone that has the trait they previously filtered, I would then assume it’s only a preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 05:01 PM
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Not really - they changed the scenario. If I filter for men over 6ft, I am indicating that that is a dealbreaker. But if I then go on to date a shorter man, that indicates it wasn't a dealbreaker but a preference. We can only make assumptions based on her hypothetical actions - in reality, the woman would know if height is a dealbreaker or a preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:49 PM
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How is it muddling? It's being realistic - no one chooses a partner based on a single trait. If we take the tall Christian man as a hypothetical perfect man - one that meets every single dealbreaker and preference that she has, I don't even think that would necessarily mean that she desires him the most (though I agree it's probably close).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:47 PM
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I don't think men here would agree that women are vocal about their preferences.. they frequently express that they wish women were honest about what they're attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:26 PM
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I don't think it means that you desire everything else less. Generally we evaluate partners as a package of requirements and (optional) preferences. Maybe I had salad every day this week already, so today I want soup. That doesn't mean I can't desire salad more overall. It's not really a perfect analogy, I know..
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:22 PM
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But she can have multiple dealbreakers and preferences that overlap and possibly cancel others out.. height is only a single preference, we evaluate partners as a package of multiple traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:20 PM
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I disagree. Because a preference is for a single trait, whereas we judge partners as an overall package. For example, say a woman has a dealbreaker that a man must be a Christian and a preference that he is tall. If she meets a Christian man who is short, she would choose him, over a non-Christian man who is tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:18 PM
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That's a really specific example though.. In that case, it wasn't a dealbreaker but a preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:14 PM
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When women say preference what they really mean is requirement. That is literally what I'm arguing against in my OP. Why do you assume a preference is a requirement?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 02:29 PM
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< 10% of men are 6ft. I don't know if it's most women, but definitely a significant amount have a preference (not deabreaker!) for tall men IMO. I would think that most women define "tall" as being taller than herself though..
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 02:21 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 02:19 PM
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I don't think it counts anyway because "check boxes" aren't usually preferences but are dealbreakers. I agree that people aren't the best at expressing what is a preference vs a dealbreaker, but in my OP, I'm referring to women who genuinely express preferences (like height) as being optional.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 02:18 PM
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But this is precisely what I mean - just because a woman says she prefers tall men, doesn't mean she desires short men less.. because short men can meet other preferences that she has (and maybe even more than a tall man can/does). Widely acceptable to insult a man for his height. Can you say the same about fatties? Are you asking if fat women don't get insulted for being fat as a serious question? I genuinely can't tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 02:15 PM
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I know what I like 100% for sure no doubt about it and I just could never accept less. IMO you aren't talking about preferences anymore then, these are dealbreakers for you personally, which are fine. I do also agree that people generally need to be clearer on what is a preference vs a dealbreaker for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 02:13 PM
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Ok I got you now - I thought we were talking about a single preference in isolation (height) but you're talking about if a man meets the majority of her preferences.. Does that even happen though? I can't imagine that a man meets all of her preferences and she is lukewarm to him..
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 02:12 PM
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Because women are generally more accepting of men's preferences as being preferences, not dealbreakers..
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 02:06 PM
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It sounded like you were arguing that because you said "we realize you're describing someone that makes up less than 1 to 2 percent of the population and act like that person is just slightly above average." I don't get why it's a problem that a woman acts like a man is slightly above average? now she's saying must be 6'3 minimum. This isn't a preference then IMO (the telling word is "must"), it's a dealbreaker. A preference is "should" or "could" but not "must".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 02:04 PM
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Women don't complain about men being "dishonest" about their preferences as much as the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 01:57 PM
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But that doesn't change the fact that people with a height of 6'5 aren't exceeding rare compared to the general pop. A trait being rare doesn't mean that they're automatically the most attractive though, right? I genuinely don't think it's "most" instead of "all"..
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 01:53 PM
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But since you had a relationship with them, then I can only assume they must have been disappointing for other reasons..? Or are you saying that if they were virgin, thin, sweet, loyal, cute you wouldn't have been disappointed and would still be with them now?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 01:51 PM
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I agree with you that people should also be more clear on what is a preference vs a dealbreaker. For example, a woman posting in her OLD profile that she wants a man over 6ft = a dealbreaker, not a preference. Why do you consider this as "women needing to be tricked"? To me, it's more in men having a better acceptance of what a preference really is and to stop being so insecure and dramatic about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 01:49 PM
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How often does a woman with a preference for tall men end up with a short man? All the time! If < 10% of men are over 6ft and the sexlessness rate for men is ~30%, then we can already see that height isn't a dealbreaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 01:47 PM
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Were you attracted to / happily with women who were not all of those things?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 01:40 PM
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Why is it an issue that a preference is rare? And maybe they're acting like the person is "just slightly above average" because they are to them - just because a woman prefers a tall guy, doesn't mean that every 6'5 man should be a 10 to her. This is somewhat a strawman you're attacking in the first place. How is it a strawman? Men complain that women "settle for" their boyfriends/husbands all the time, since they don't meet every single one of their preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 01:39 PM
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Why the hell would you assume all lineages are equally likely to survive? You literally shared an article that shows that female lineages are 17 times more likely to survive. The reproductive success ratio is NOT the same as the actual reproduction ratio. In order for the numbers to be very different from this The numbers show that female lineages are 17 times more likely to survive than male lineages. While we don't know exactly why, the scientists listed several reasons in the study mostly rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 04:56 AM
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but the less than 1:4 ratio in reproductive success is significant evidence that a minority of men have had children. You still aren't getting it. Where is the data that shows only 1:4 men have had children?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 04:35 AM
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Idk I flat out disagree I guess. I don’t think there has ever been a human culture where only rich men marry like you implied. Why do you think humans are polygamous? My understanding is that we always tended towards monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:19 AM
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No one disagrees with you? The point was about marriage specifically. The comment above implied that only rich men got married / had wives, I disagree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 02:53 AM
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I don’t think that’s true - marriage is considered as something ubiquitous among all human cultures. Men still had wives, but certain men were more likely to have their DNA passed on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 08:10 PM
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What are you confused by? I’m not even sure what we are talking about anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 06:27 PM
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Male DNA (y chromosome) is passed down only through sons, so they could have had a daughter, or the woman could have had children with a man whose children were more likely to live (like kings).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:23 PM
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Yes but men can have children with many different women, compared to women who are limited by one child/man at a time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:48 PM
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Someone else shared this, I hadn’t seen it before and didn’t read it fully, but it basically says the same thing https://nuancepill.com/did-1-man-reproduce-for-every-17-women/ And I generally agree with you that it can’t be proven, but neither can the claim that only a minority of men ever had children..
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:14 PM
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Not female children, but female’s children.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:12 PM
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This doesn't mean that men didn't have sex/procreate though - you even said this yourself. Yes, it means that powerful men had more children and they were more likely to survive, but that is the same point I already made several times now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:25 AM
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Like I said, there are multiple possible, counfounding reasons. I think the main one is that wealthy men could have children with many women and their children were much more likely to survive (illness, war, etc) compared to poorer men's children.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:08 AM
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Do you bot see how that statement justifies there being less men who reproduce than women? It doesn't though.. Poor men can still reproduce but their kids die at a higher rate than a kings' children and their genetic line ends. Therefore, even though all men had children, only a small number of men were "reproductively successful" such that their DNA was passed on (i.e. their children survived long enough to have their own children).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 10:56 AM
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Yeah, fair. I just wanted to comment in case anyone read this thread - it's a misinterpreted article/topic that is commonly posted here, despite seemingly many haven't read it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 09:56 AM
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The article/study did not look at which men reproduced - it's about which men reproduced AND had their children survive long enough to have their own children, compared to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 09:48 AM
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The article isn't about "reproducing", it's about "reproductive success" (i.e. DNA that survived and was passed on). From the article "Across the globe, for every 17 women who were reproducing, passing on genes that are still around today—only one man did the same." Every child has a male and female parent... Not a unique male and female parent. And men can father many children with many women (e.g. kings).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 09:42 AM
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You are misinterpreting the article you shared. It doesn't mean that men didn't reproduce - it means that women's children lived to have their own children at a higher rate. There are many compounding factors for it (wars, spanish flu, genocide, men's ability to have more children than women) but the main point is that a man's genetic line can die out much more easily than a woman's, so only 1 in 17 male lineages survived.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 09:26 AM
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Nah, look at Chris Pratt or Christian Bale, even Jon Hamm. They're still Chads when fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:02 AM
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Face is usually negatively impacted by things like tren and steroids, they get puffy, but yes I generally agree that people's faces improve as they get more fit. But as long as a man isn't fat, he would still be a "Chad" based on other factors (face, height, status). Men don't need to have the body of the photos you are posting to be attractive to women, the only reason men/TRP tell men to lift is because it's the "easiest" thing to change, even though it's hard work.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:01 AM
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I'm not a 10 myself, so I don't expect to get a 10. People pair up with their looksmatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:54 AM
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I don’t think it’s their bodies - women were already swooning over David Beckham when he was 18. The time he spent is irrelevant - women would have been attracted to him anyway IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:06 AM
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Well yeah, I don’t believe most men (or women) can become a 10. It’s just down to genetics. Edit: that doesn’t mean that average men/women can’t improve themselves, but it’s unrealistic for men to think that TRP is going to get them access to supermodels. If a man is a 5/10 the best he can hope for is to improve himself to be a 6-7 and pair up with a 5-6.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:16 AM
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It doesn’t really matter if they’re natural or not (I wouldn’t believe they are since they’re celebrities) - women don’t care about men’s bodies as much as you are implying. Henry Cavill would still get beautiful women if he had an average body, because of his face. That is the point I’m trying to make - a good body is better, but it’s not a dealbreaker for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:09 AM
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They wanted Henry Cavill and Chris Evan’s even before they got those bodies because they have perfect faces. Y’all focus too much on body.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:59 AM
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Women still wouldn’t want either of them.. Attractiveness is mostly face first, body second. Women generally like pretty boys with an athletic body, and by athletic, we mean leaner like a soccer player, not a bodybuilder. David Beckham, Brad Pitt, etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:54 AM
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I don’t get why the personal comparison changes anything or implies hypergamy? Men and women are attracted to different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 11:44 PM
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I mean, that’s kind of the point - change is often necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 09:55 PM
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I don’t think “Mainstream society” cares about what other people do with their lives tbh. Most people are trying to just get by, they aren’t thinking of you at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 09:52 PM
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Sure and that’s fine, but then you have to acknowledge that it’s not “okay” for women to change like OP is claiming.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 09:24 PM
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Why do you think it’s okay for women to change? Actually the main gripe of most of the men here is that women DO change (e.g. they had casual sex once and didn’t like it, so they don’t do it again or they dated a Chad, didn’t get commitment / got played, so they date guys on their level now).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 09:20 PM
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No one said 10+ dates or 3 months except you. By X dates, I meant like 1-3.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 12:39 PM
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These numbers are after covid though.. As if claiming that women only date 6’2 rich guys isn’t an “assumption on the reasonless”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 09:09 AM
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This says 50% and that most also aren’t looking for relationships (presumably because they want to get in a better financial position before they date).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 06:45 AM
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That chart leaves out how many people even use those advanced filters though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 06:42 AM
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But aren’t you saying that men also don’t allow men to be “good enough”? Therefore, this isn’t about women or hypergamy or gender at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 06:12 AM
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Where did anyone say that? What are you even talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 06:00 AM
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It’s not because they’re a woman - it’s because they’re a cheater. Both genders cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:42 AM
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Is going on a few dates before sex “buying the car” now?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:40 AM
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Yes, ofc people can change their mind. What did you mean when you wrote that women confuse the courtship experience for a dating experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:40 PM
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I meant something like “hey, I’m looking for a relationship, let’s continue to go on X amount of dates” but then after he gets sex he dips. How would women really know?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:32 PM
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Yeah, I agree with that, but the comment above me seemed to be referring to the earlier stages of dating, i.e. "thinking that the courtship experience is a dating experience." I don't think it's unreasonable for a woman to think that a man who takes them on multiple dates is courting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:00 PM
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Are you referring to men lying about their intentions to get sex? I don’t see how you can blame women for not being perfect at guessing..
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 04:38 PM
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I’m 19 and the idea of going to the bar and partying three times a week makes me want to shoot myself. Yeah, you're a square and you will sadly struggle in dating because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 10:36 AM
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All the data shows that talent means nothing anyway - the grit to persevere is what makes people successful in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 10:34 AM
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I wonder if prevalence of age gaps would increase though.. if anything, I feel like there is more social pressure against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 10:26 AM
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You said it occurs only with attractive women (aka Stacies) and that with "average women" the conversations flow two-way as expected. How many emotional conversations have you had with men?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 05:12 PM
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unless its a low status woman that has the same desirability as the average man. Okay, so your problem isn't with all women - it's that the Stacies don't compassionately listen to you.. It is a stereotype for a reason - attractive people don't need to develop their personality as much because they're already attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 04:58 PM
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What do you mean by it's "such a common thing"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 04:48 PM
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Do you think you're extrapolating this experience with one woman to all women? Some people, most people, are bad listeners, irrespective of their gender. You choose who you spend your time with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 04:41 PM
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Men see women they are attracted to daily. They are attractive enough for sex but not to wife up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:44 PM
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Most men have sex weekly or more. https://cdn-adklk.nitrocdn.com/vAlLOcBPjCSUTuqFpgWoGejnngKOaInw/assets/images/optimized/rev-92b231b/sexualalpha.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Sexual-Frequency-Trends-In-Men-Aged-From-18-To-44-2000-2018.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 09:04 AM
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80% of men aren’t sexless. https://ifstudies.org/ifs-admin/resources/2-comparison-graph-w640.png
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 07:00 AM
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Why? Should men be forced to buy tampons because women buy them? Maybe different people have different needs, therefore there are different markets..
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 06:38 AM
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Can you define what isogamy means to you? I think you are referring to homogamy and erroneously using the wrong word but I could be wrong..
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 05:38 AM
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Why do you believe male loneliness stats, which are also self-reported, but not the link I shared? The example you give is irrelevant to the data that I shared since they don’t look at number of partners or mean at all; they simply asked men and women if they have cheated before and reported on the % that said yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 04:17 AM
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Would you believe her if she said he was as sexually/physically attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 12:32 PM
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cheating rates for young women are much higher than for men, where as cheating rates for older women are much lower than it is for men If you don't believe that any peer reviewed study could be accurate then you can't make any claim (like the above) about cheating whatsoever. Afaict it was literally made up. I'd trust self-reported studies more than random redditors who can't even justify their own beliefs, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 08:12 AM
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Ok then share the source for your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 06:50 AM
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What data are you referring to? This shows that young women don’t “cheat at a much higher rate”. https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:00 AM
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You think Myron is more attractive than Andrew Tate?!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 04:31 AM
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Are you sure it's just Russian women? The things you mentioned are associated with conventional "masculinity" and are attractive to most women IMO. It would be the same as a woman asking why Russian men prefer women who are beautiful, thin, with maternal instincts lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 04:32 PM
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He means that if he gets hotter then he could get hotter women than her and would probably want to “trade up”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 04:42 AM
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She looked stunning but I thought her dress was a bit boring and didn’t meet the brief for the Met 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 04:48 PM
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Emrata was cheated on too. Wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 04:08 PM
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Have you considered that it's you who is not being objective? I know you want us to "take your word for it" on the data, but everything I've read completely conflicts with what you're claiming. Maybe share some of the data and back up your arguments for us. They realized how absolutely destroyed men get in divorce court. More than 90% of divorces are settled without going to court. link Alimony is a thing Yes, in less than 10% of divorces. link wherein men are literally made homeless due to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:32 PM
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Alimony is awarded in less than 10% of divorces in the US. Child support - 40-50% of men don’t pay it even though they’re supposed to. And re homelessness, there are multiple studies that show divorce negatively affects women more than men, pushing them into poverty. The data you are looking at (I.e. grants for homelessness) is only looking at one sample of the population (those applying for a grant). You can’t extrapolate that to everyone who is divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 07:22 AM
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like chess or idle sport like pool, gender or sex is completely irrelevant You are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 04:48 PM
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It is though, sex drops off regardless of how attractive the man is. It’s thought to be because women need novelty more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 08:58 PM
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I don’t see how that question is relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 08:51 PM
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If you agree with TRP then there has to be a difference between the genders. Women don’t want casual sex like men do, therefore it has to be flipped.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 08:49 PM
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Regardless, that only supports my point further. Most men aren’t sexless or celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 08:46 PM
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You weren’t excluded from any conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 08:40 PM
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You need to define “very common” and “celibate”. The pew data shows roughly 50% of men are in relationships, and we know that only 25% of men didn’t have sex in the last year (sexlessness rate).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 08:39 PM
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It would be the opposite for men, that they can’t get casual out of the people at the same level that they can get a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 08:37 PM
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I don’t think that has much to do with attraction, compared to lifestyle changes (kids, stress etc) and women simply having lower libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 08:36 PM
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Yes, I agree and I don’t think there is any problem with settling. My argument is mostly against AF/BB being used by men just as much as women, if not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 08:34 PM
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I do agree with you personally, but then this definition should be the same for women too (I.e. that women aren’t settling for betabux if they don’t feel like they lowered their standards or could have done better).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 08:28 PM
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The BB side implies a lack of sexual attractiveness, doesn’t it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 08:26 PM
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I don't think I made my post clear enough. I don't think anyone needs to do anything differently except for TRP men to acknowledge that men marry their "beta-bux" (less sexually/physically attractive, but more comfortable partner) just as much as women do, if not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 07:02 PM
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any men including myself don’t have sexual or romantic partners because of the “single” times we live in. It sucks but unfortunately you are a minority. Most men are having sex and/or in relationships; we can see that from the data on how many are single and the sexlessness rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 06:59 PM
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Isn't it the same for women too? I.e. that what TRP would say is a woman who married "beta-bux" is actually a woman who married a man with the mental maturity necessary for a good relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 06:55 PM
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Do you think that TRP's AF/BB theory reduces everything that women want in a partner down to sexual attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 06:52 PM
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Just because women are most attractive to a man when they're in their 20s, doesn't mean they're the ones we want to marry. Do you agree with / believe in AF/BB for women? Are you okay with women marrying men that they're potentially less attracted to because they have other redeemable qualities (personality, reliability, and maturity)?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 06:51 PM
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What did you try for years? Do you want to fix your marriage or not? If no, then you should divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 06:50 AM
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Most women don't orgasm from penetration anyway. Just rub your clit. Watch some porn to learn. I agree with u/Most_Anything_173 that this isn't your husband's fault alone, it's yours. You need to learn first how to orgasm and then get better at communicating to your husband during sex so he can do it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 06:14 AM
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You need more rizz.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 12:41 PM
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I still disagree with you I guess.. 😅 if we take online vs offline, offline is the number 1 way of meeting people. Most people met from offline.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:01 AM
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It’s the number 1 overall, but if you were to ask whether people should focus on online or offline to meet people, they should focus on offline because it’s the most successful (I.e. social groups).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 05:56 AM
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That link says most people do not meet online, 45% is still a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 05:53 AM
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Do you have any data that shows most people meet online as you said?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 05:48 AM
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Most people don’t meet online. https://www.statista.com/chart/20822/way-of-meeting-partner-heterosexual-us-couples/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/02/key-findings-about-online-dating-in-the-u-s/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 05:41 AM
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Interesting, why do you think they have better chances at a base level? I’m not sure if I agree because men generally don’t want LTRs or marriage as much as women do, and not until later in life (30s - 40s). So it can be that even though men do eventually want marriage, women actually have worse odds because men don’t want commitment at the age/time that they want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 08:14 AM
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I am not sure that a greater chance of casual sex also leads to a greater chance of relationships or marriage. Say a woman has 100 men interested in her for casual, but only 10 willing to seriously date her, her probability is 10%. A man might have a lot less options, so 5 interested in casual, but 4 willing to seriously date him, which is 80%. Because most women would seriously date the men they sleep with, whereas most men wouldn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 05:42 AM
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Homemade or McDonald’s?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 08:22 PM
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It’s the same for women too unfortunately, most people are overweight/obese. Wanting someone normal weight is top 20-30% for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 06:11 PM
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that "nice guys" don't get to have sex with women because they are generally shitty people and it is treated as if it were evidence of a moral character flaw. Please share even just one comment of a woman on reddit that supports this because I've never seen it from women and I don't believe women think like this. Women do not give a fuck about men they aren't attracted to and we especially don't give a fuck about "morality" like PPD men do. then when you look at the studies on who has more conse…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 08:40 AM
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The vast majority of men simply want their looksmatch or slightly below. That doesn't mean they aren't delusional about what their looksmatch is. Most men here post how they want someone who isn't overweight as a bare minimum, which is already the top 20% of single women. Make it make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 07:44 AM
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He's representative of the average redpiller - a dishonest hypocrite who lacks self-awareness: Complains about women being hoes and chasing Chad but only pursues influencers/"baddies" because they're hot Complains about non-Western women being more traditional and "better" but ends up with a Chinese escort Complains about birth control and "feminism" destroying the nuclear family but doesn't wear condoms Complains about women being "liberal", votes Republican, but demands his gf to have an abort…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 01:58 PM
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Thank you for admitting that. At least one man here does now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 01:07 PM
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I totally skipped over the start of your previous comment - to clarify, sexual dimorphism is definitely real, so ofc men's height will be higher than women's; but my point was that both men and women's height increased, not only men's. Notice how difficult it is to find actual data separating men and women's height on this site? They agree with you and they state why - most historical data on height was recorded from men, not women. You're the one who has made it to be political when it isn't lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 12:23 PM
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Why do you think that? This data shows that height has increased for both men and women roughly the same (8-9cm) https://ourworldindata.org/human-height And they already told you why in their comment - health/nutritional standards improved with modernity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 12:04 PM
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I don't know why, that's just what happens. The divorce rate is higher when you marry a younger partner. It's lowest when you're both over 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 08:53 AM
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Copying and pasting my comment from another thread: Most men get more attractive as they age naturally, they become more confident and they start to look more masculine/rugged, dress better, smell better, etc. It’s very possible that a man who was a 3 at age 18 can be a 5 or 6 at age 30, just from normal aging (assuming he looked after himself).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 07:59 AM
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Those young women are more likely to divorce them later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 07:57 AM
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Whut?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 07:36 AM
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The sexlessness rate is under 30%, which means that 70% are having sex and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 07:36 AM
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It’s not only about looks, it’s also about how social OP was/is and how much approaching he did/does. Most men get more attractive as they age, they become more confident and they start to look more masculine/rugged, dress better, smell better, etc. It’s very possible that a man who was a 3 at age 18 can be a 5 or 6 at age 30, just from normal aging (assuming he looked after himself).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:40 AM
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Okay, and what about the average women that didn’t date jocks? You do realize that 70% of young men are already having sex and relationships, right? 70% of young men are not jocks. And it’s literally proven that people pair up with their looksmatch (homogamy).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:23 AM
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You can’t though, because people clearly change as they age. Mostly, men become more masculine-looking, which is more attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:19 AM
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A roster is seeing the same set of people consistently - like a harem but scheduled, where you see each person on a specific day. You said you were talking to her on and off for a year before you met up, which means you weren't on a roster. I'm also not rationalizing her behavior - a lot of people these days would turn around and say "it's not cheating if we're not exclusive", which I presume she wasn't. and/or they had another guy they were waiting on to execute who was the one they really want…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 05:04 AM
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Does anyone really think that that woman would be physically attracted to him? I genuinely believe that if a 40 year old woman was dating him, she is attracted to him. Sex might die off later in the relationship, regardless of her initial attraction to him, but I believe that happens for Chads too. It would surelly be because he's stable, or safe, or whatever, because she's running out of time and she wants to get married, that sort of thing. I don't see what is wrong with any of those things? M…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:34 PM
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Because there is usually always a period at the start of new relationships where you are dating but not exclusive. Men do this too. She probably went on a date with you to try to make her main guy jealous and to get him commit. Women have options, not a “roster”. Since you were ghosted, you clearly weren’t an option. That’s normal in dating, and again, it isn’t exclusive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:51 AM
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Is it correct that you believe that the odds of OP meeting a woman who wouldn't treat him like the behavior outlined in his post are less than winning the lottery?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 04:39 PM
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It's not "semantics", there is a fundamental difference between a specific woman versus all women. OP is trying to extrapolate his experience with one woman to all women (just read the title of his post). You brushing that difference off as "semantics" is frankly harmful to OP who will erroneously assume that most women in the future will behave as that one woman did and therefore that he shouldn't try at all. It only perpetuates lonely men, which (ironically?) is what TRP/manosphere profits mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 04:03 PM
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You didn't "call me out", you accused me of something that I didn't do. Pasting this here since you conveniently ignored it in our other thread: Even with the edit (which I made before I even read your comment), I didn’t make a sweeping generalization. I literally asked what mental illness is it, which implies that it is only a subset of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 03:58 PM
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Woman or women? Read OP’s post again.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 03:31 PM
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Even with the edit (which I made before I even read your comment), I didn’t make a sweeping generalization. I literally asked what mental illness is it, which implies that it is only a subset of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 03:30 PM
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No, it’s so common on PPD / manosphere that men make these sweeping generalizations. I’m not stupid enough to believe that those men are representative of ALL men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 03:26 PM
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What mental illness is it where men here assume that one woman’s behavior applies to all women? Yawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 03:04 PM
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Why are you texting about it? Long texts are annoying for most people. Talk in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:29 AM
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lol chill out man. What do the numbers that you posted mean to you? There is NOT a 41% chance you will divorce if you are married in 2021. It’s straight up wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:06 AM
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It’s not pointless, it’s objectively wrong to look at the data as you did. This link explains it better than I could. You are looking at the crude divorce rate when you need to be looking at a cohort chart, grouped by the year/decade they married. Edit: You can see from that link that the likelihood of divorce was around 40% maximum, and that’s only if you were married in the 70s/80s. More recent cohorts show that less marriages are ending in divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 10:22 PM
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Nah, I stand by my point. I found that this link backs up what I was trying to explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 10:05 PM
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Like for each divorce, looking at which year they were married. Take 2021 as an example, the 2.5 divorces were from marriages that occurred probably years earlier. You can't go 2.5 / 6.0 = 41% because the 2.5 applies to some earlier cohort (i.e. the year they were married). Presumably 0 of the 6.0 who were married in 2021 also got divorced in the first year, or a much smaller number than 2.5. I could be wrong here.. can someone better at math help me out?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 09:39 PM
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Wouldn't you have to calculate it on a cohort basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 09:02 PM
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And I didn't have much exposure to him either. He was emotionally absent then; it's the same as "emotionally-closed-off father"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:45 PM
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That is a long way of saying you have poor boundary control 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 03:08 PM
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Fair enough. Even then, you can still reply “how about a coffee on Sunday at 11am?” or something along those lines. I don’t think dinner is a good first date anyway, it’s so awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 01:44 PM
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How often does that happen? I’m betting rarely.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 12:55 PM
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Ofc it does. Men initiate first dates - if you aren’t happy with the cost of dates you’ve been on or the type of women you’ve been on dates with, ultimately you are to blame. Make better choices. If you don’t want to pay for her food, then take her on a cheap date like a coffee and a walk. If you don’t want to see heavy makeup and fake eyelashes, 1) don’t ask women like that on dates or 2) take them on a date in the day (like coffee), where they won’t be dressed up. Narcissism, authenticity, int…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 09:47 AM
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Is it honestly that difficult to ask a woman to grab a coffee and take a walk in a nice park? I don’t understand why y’all are such whiny babies about this 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 09:06 AM
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How do you know they have moved on?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 09:38 PM
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The funny thing is that is exactly what happens naturally anyway - people pair up with their looksmatch. Plenty of men here want to blame “inequality” instead of taking responsibility for their warped standards of women from porn and insta.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 06:18 AM
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You're going to have to do more to make your argument better, because this is the naturalistic fallacy. Just because it's happening in nature, doesn't mean it's good or that we should emulate. Where did I say it was good or to emulate it? I said it's what happens. Facts don't care about your feelings or morality. Well, you're never going to be able to get men to give birth as much as women because that's biologically impossible Exactly, so accept the reality that each gender contributes "unequal…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:07 AM
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Why do males approach in a lot of animal species too? Because the females invest more in raising children! If you want women to approach as much as men, then get men to collectively do as much as women in giving birth, raising kids, and housekeeping. Good luck on getting that to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 06:47 AM
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You just said it - who are the 400 matches a month? Men obviously. Women become entitled because of men’s simping.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 05:42 AM
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Did you? 39% met online; that means 61% (the majority) met offline.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 10:02 AM
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Most people don’t meet online. https://www.statista.com/chart/20822/way-of-meeting-partner-heterosexual-us-couples/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/02/key-findings-about-online-dating-in-the-u-s/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 10:17 PM
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It has happened 🤷‍♀️ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_over_age_50
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 07:24 AM
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There are different studies, I guess. Can you link your sources too, please? I'd like to read them. Both men and women reported that actual monotony and the perception of monotony (Ferreira et al., 2015) and the overfamiliarity with a partner (Sims & Meana, 2010) were risk factors in maintaining sexual desire in long-term relation-ships. source and Monotony regarding specific sexual stimuli appears to be consistently associated with diffi-culty in maintaining sexual desire in long-term relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 09:31 PM
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It drops for men too, just not as fast. And it is related to general novelty in the relationship, which can be mediated.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 06:42 AM
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Men don't like it when other men are interested in their woman because women are prone to "grass is greener" thinking and swinging to the next branch. Why do "trophy wives" exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:04 AM
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you’ll see a massive trend of women caving quickly and sleeping with invaders/captors to avoid bad outcomes. Then you also see a massive trend of invaders/captors (men) sleeping with women opportunistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:57 AM
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Or happier people get married...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 07:56 PM
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Most of the couples in 90 day fiance are passport bros who are being used for their greencard. My point was that when women "go on vacation", it's rarely for hookups and random dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:55 PM
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Because it's not. It's been heavily studied. I don't understand how you can even be purple pill, which means partially red pill, if you don't believe in assortative mating. Homogamy and genetic diversity aren't mutually exclusive; they can both exist and do. There are studies that even show that genetically related (i.e. 3rd or 4th cousins) are better fitness-wise. I think the theory of genetic diversity also explains why so many men struggle with dating. They all look the same, dress the same, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:20 PM
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How can that be true when homogamy is the most common mating strategy in humans (I.e. people end up with people like themselves)?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 01:43 PM
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You are projecting male sexuality onto women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 01:38 PM
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If you're aiming for these top 1% men You defined the top 1% as being tall (over 6ft) and wealthy (over 100k). I am telling you that this definition is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 07:46 AM
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Like I said, 1% of men doesn't mean they are the "top 1%". You ignored my last comment - guys like Brad Pitt are under 6ft and they are top 1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 07:33 AM
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I still disagree. And it’s not only about deformities. What if he’s overweight? Bad personality? Plain face? It’s possible that a man is under 6 feet and in the top 1% because he is a better package across all metrics. Are you really going to tell me that Brad Pitt isn’t in the top 1% because he’s under 6ft? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 07:23 AM
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Just because 1% of men are over 6 feet and rich, doesn’t make them the “top 1%”. A man could be 6 feet, rich, fat with a deformed face and high-pitched voice. He would not be top 1%. There is more to “top 1%” than what you are including unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 07:10 AM
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Exactly. He also didn’t write anything about their face/facial symmetry, which is arguably the most important for attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 07:04 AM
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I'm not asking you to disprove my source, but to prove the OP's claim, which you seemed to be arguing for. Most of the public stats are from criminal reports, but even more recent reports show that perpetrators are predominantly men. I can't find any source that says otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 10:17 AM
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If you have a source that says otherwise (i.e. that women commit sexual harrassment/assault more frequently than men) please provide it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 09:49 AM
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The link is broken You've misunderstood the stat or intentionally misquoted it. It's "95% of all youth reporting staff sexual misconduct", which is 95% of 4.3%. So yes it happens, but clearly not the majority. Similar to #2, you misunderstood the stat or intentionally misquoted it. It says "64% of male jail inmates who had been victimized said the staff perpetrator was female" but that is 64% of 2.9%. Broken link. Edit: none of the links you provided are evidence for the claim in your OP, since …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 09:45 AM
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There is a link in my comment above.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 09:13 AM
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You have listed a bunch of useless anecdotes. If you're trying to say that women also commit sexual harassment, I don't think anyone would disagree with you. But per the title of your post, to say that women commit sexual harassment more frequently than men is simply delusion based on data. 99% of perpetrators are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 05:56 AM
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Men good. Women bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:10 PM
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Isn't it because women were always the ones historically who were defined by men? All the themes in Barbie are essentially reversed by design.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:54 PM
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Your comment doesn't reflect reality lol. There is data on this - sex drops off, even for Chads. It doesn't have anything to do with the attractiveness of the partner, it's about novelty/lack of.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 09:50 PM
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Gal Gadot probably. Miranda Kerr. Jessica Alba. etc
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 07:01 AM
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The time you spend with someone doesn’t correspond to emotional connection or depth. Why did that girl send you that message? Is it possible that she was right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:03 AM
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Stats show that's also not true anymore. Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5421994/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:06 PM
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Why do you think “don’t stick your dick in crazy” is a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 10:26 PM
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That’s mostly because men are into higher paying careers versus service roles, and women leave the workforce to become mothers. Also, be honest, most men prefer being the breadwinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:13 AM
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Then stop complaining about being beta bucks and admit you don’t care about being used for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 04:50 PM
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The stats say that the majority are in relationships and that the majority of people meet offline. What stats are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:28 PM
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The primary reason a 20 year old would date a 40 year old is for money. And then why do y’all complain about beta bucks? Make it make sense lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 01:20 PM
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His rebuttal wasn't about men who are below 5/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 01:26 PM
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20's single and alone. Most girls are in back-to-back, multi-year LTRs, not single, therefore their numbers will be much lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 12:55 PM
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It's called responsive vs spontaneous desire. Men skew to spontaneous.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:44 AM
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since most are still getting married and choosing men That is happening less; women are literally choosing to be alone lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:17 AM
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What do you mean by “explicit interest”? Like, what are you expecting when you say that you’re waiting for women to show interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:45 AM
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Yes because men are higher in disagreeableness and don’t care as much about conflict. Women go along with it because they prefer to keep the peace over their own needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 03:22 PM
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That doesn’t mean women care less, it means they are less likely to speak up about it..
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 03:16 PM
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Women would be too..
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 02:51 PM
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You have people fighting tooth and nail to hold on to beliefs that hurt them in the process just to feel like they made a point. Kinda ironic no? That is literally what you're doing. Guys who get a lot of women didn't have their father explain that to them in their childhood. You've made that up to avoid reality. Don't worry, most people are average like you; that's how a bell curve works.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 01:25 PM
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Where was your father?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 01:20 PM
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since it is different for men. How is it different? Men have sex with women they aren't attracted to all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:47 PM
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It was later debunked, fyi.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 07:28 AM
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I think they mean someone who wants to fuck you, but you’re not attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:40 PM
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Pussy doesn’t get thrown at men, not even Chad. You’re a man - you still need to pursue. That sounds like half your problem at least..
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:31 AM
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The money is kinda irrelevant. OP was trying to imply that running a yoga studio is not a “real” job; running a business would be more work than being an employee.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 10:38 AM
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I agree with you, but I think different boxes is less complexity/nuance than a specific score, like a 4/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 08:15 AM
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Do you think beauty is subjective?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 03:43 PM
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I think generally women know that men don’t put as much effort into their online dating profiles and photos, and that even if they rate their photo as below average, they could still be physically attracted to the guy in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 01:26 PM
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Sure, I agree with you. Do you think women believe most men are below average anyway though?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 12:44 PM
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Generally sure, but the OKC results show that women did send first messages / initiated, even if they rated the men as below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 12:25 PM
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It’s not clear to me what point you are making tbh. Are you saying that the OKC results are not representative of all women, and therefore no one should conclude that women don’t find the majority of men on dating apps to be below average?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 12:21 PM
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I don’t think it was an “actual study” - I linked the article which contains the results they found from analysing user’s OKC usage/behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 12:05 PM
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How do you know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:31 AM
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It's subjective. I mean, I think that's part of the problem. Men believe they can rate objectively and women inherently disagree with that and say it's subjective. Even with a traffic light system, do you think men could be objectively grouped into red/yellow/green? Or are you saying that each individual woman's taste in men is so different that it's not possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:12 AM
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Does it though? I don't think we have enough info from OKC to conclude that, ofc it's possible though. I would assume women are rating attractiveness based on photos only?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:09 AM
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Yes, unfortunately a lot of men here seem to skip over that part of the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:05 AM
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What do you even mean by that? By definition, most people are average.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 09:57 AM
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That didn't exist in the data. It was in fact the opposite. Read the results again. You have misinterpreted it (like most people) - women were more likely to respond / communicate with men that they rated as below average and men only sent messages to the top 20% of women. 80/20 is men projecting (edit: it was more like 66/33).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 09:09 AM
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Please read even just the title of this post and explain how your comment is relevant to it. Edit: we are going in circles here, if you didn’t already realize. You are going to tell me that because men are starving they need to choose women that aren’t good for them, which means you agree with the OP that men choose their relationships and should be accountable for their choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 11:56 PM
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Ok but then you agree with the OP at least - men choose their relationships, so should be accountable for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 04:52 PM
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Most of what you said is irrelevant to the OP's post; the topic is about when men have bad relationships (like divorce rape), not about who has it worse in dating or the lack of attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 04:35 PM
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50% marriage end in divorce That includes people on their second, third, fourth marriages. The first-time divorce rate is something like 30%, and it's even lower if you get married > 30 and are college educated (ironically, the complete opposite of what terpers advise people to do).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 11:54 AM
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Source? This shows that meeting through friends is still the most common way: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/#:~:text=About%20a%20third%20(32%25),worship%20and%208%25%20somewhere%20else.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 07:54 AM
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This professor said that if a woman, anywhere in the world, is childless at 30, she has only a 50% chance of ever having a child. That isn't referring to fertility at all; it's looking at the rate of women who choose to have children today (i.e. the population growth).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:45 PM
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Most men aren't more desirable when they're younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 05:30 PM
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Not "too nice" but "too boring", yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 07:25 PM
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Fair, was on my phone and didn’t remember the exact numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 06:40 PM
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Look at the charts in the OP; the age demographic is 20-29. Roughly 60% of men in that age group are single, compared to 40% of women in that age group. But if the late 20s women are dating early 30s men, then that accounts for at least some of the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 06:07 PM
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I think you mean Ego, not respect, honestly. Men don't want "respect" from women; they want women to defer to them because they believe themselves to be superior. Let's just call a spade a spade, Freud.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 10:24 AM
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It includes a lot of average and below average women too. Most people pair up with people like themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 07:05 PM
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That's why such a low percentage of 30+ YO men are single. Or because 30s men date a few years younger (e.g. 20s women)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 06:42 PM
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Yeah, ~40% of single men are voluntarily single: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/ Compared to ~60% of women though, interestingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 07:19 AM
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Yes, they are. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 07:32 PM
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https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 08:31 AM
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They say to get off dating apps because the odds are so bad. Remember that ~70% of people are already in relationships / not single + 70-90% of dating apps are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:33 PM
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Way to cherry-pick some photos and make up some BS lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 06:45 AM
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Why are you blaming single mothers? Where are the fathers?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:01 AM
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Looks like you were searching for "depressed single mom" and this was the only thing that came up; a 2 year old post in an addiction sub with 5 comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:00 AM
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And yes, the sex was great for them and they would even orgasm etc. Aww.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:01 PM
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They’re not sexless like their male counterparts Yes, they are. The rate of "sexlessness" is not that different between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 09:10 AM
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Can you list some of the cons please?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 08:57 AM
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Men post here every day that they can get relationships but don’t want them because they want casual sex. They complain that they don’t want to be the “boyfriend material” guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 03:44 AM
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Can you be more specific? And is there more or less left for them in a relationship versus being single?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 03:39 AM
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It’s not happening though, at least not as much as you’re all implying. The majority of people (60-70%) are in committed relationships, which means only 30% are single anyway. 30% of that 30% are sexless (and it’s even higher for women in 2021), but the rest all reported having sex in the last year. The sexless 30% aren’t “normal” guys (or women). They are religious or shut-ins. Probably only a very few % of them are simply ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 03:07 AM
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On Okcupid over 10 years ago…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 02:41 AM
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Are you talking about single people only when you say 50% men and 10-30% women? Something like 70% of ppl are in committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 02:40 AM
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She thinks men’s playful banter with each other is actual bullying. No we’re best friends and that’s why he can say shit like that. Tbf most of the time it actually is bullying. That's why guys drop their "bros" when they get a gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:31 PM
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When he openly simps over instathots, girls on the beach topless, or tells you about fucking hookers, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:18 PM
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Please make a post on this! I have always thought the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 12:54 PM
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I think feminists were primarily arguing for women to be able to have other options than being a SAHM (having education, their own career, etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 02:34 PM
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That was debunked.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 02:04 PM
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Great, thanks for clarifying that when you say “sexless” you mean something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 10:29 AM
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Sorry that you don’t frequently experience genuine desire from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 07:41 AM
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Coming from the guy who thinks pornstars genuinely desire him. Should we tell him? 🙈
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 07:28 AM
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People aren’t listening to Jordan Peterson because they lack sex; they listen to him because they lack(ed) a healthy relationship with their Dad and arguably masculinity. Nearly 80% of men had sex in the last year. The bottom 20% of men are not representative of all men…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:58 AM
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It gives men what men are really looking for: un-negotiated desire from women they’re actually attracted to. lol except they're not desiring YOU
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 02:56 AM
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since most men in today's society are sexless and also struggling to find relationships. Are you sure?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 01:51 AM
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Are you trying to imply that women should be more open to strangers? How would that work? Since getting to know a random man from OLD would ultimately put her at greater risk anyway..
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 11:15 PM
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Despite the increase, it’s still the minority. Even at the current rate of increase, it might be 20 years before it takes over offline.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 06:48 PM
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Yes but who cares about the difference between meeting through friends or through work? The point is that the majority met offline through their social network, not via dating apps. It would be better (probability-wise) to focus on improving one’s social network than spending time on Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 06:59 PM
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Right but that says that 39% met online (i.e. 61% met offline); therefore the majority did not meet by online dating...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 08:17 AM
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Online dating is now the #1 way couples meet. Source? All the studies I've seen so far show that ~70% of people met offline.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 06:14 AM
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its also about being successful No, it's not. That's why it's "Alpha Fucks Beta Bucks". Alpha == being able to fuck most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 11:41 PM
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Drink more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 11:27 AM
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If the male sexlessness rate was recently 20-30%, then height can’t be a dealbreaker today.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:01 PM
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I always assume sexual exclusivity tbh. I think most ppl outside of the US would too. That doesn’t mean we’re in a relationship, just that we’re not sleeping with multiple ppl.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 12:44 PM
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70% of men got laid in the last year, clearly height isn’t a dealbreaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 12:42 PM
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Do you it's fair if the guy provokes it (e.g. touches her inappropriately etc)?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:20 AM
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Most are too polite to say No
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 07:34 PM
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jesus christ lol, you don't understand women at all
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:44 AM
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Men over 1 inch (2.5 cm) of women's preferred height had a 65.2% rejection rate (meaning a ‘No’ was given). Doesn't this alone prove that height is NOT a major deciding factor? Even if the man is taller than preferred, he will likely be rejected (for seemingly reasons other than height).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:30 AM
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Yeah, it's called narcissism lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 06:14 AM
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In every species, the parent who invests the most into childcare is the one who selects. In humans, that is women. If you want men to be chased after, you’d need men to invest more in childcare than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 05:10 AM
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The steep rise in male sexlessness without the same steep rise in female sexlessness strongly indicates the existence of 'soft-harems' … or that men date younger women / women date older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 06:22 PM
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Durante et al. (2014) Did you read the study?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:37 PM
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The chart shows that MOST people did NOT meet online.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 10:24 AM
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Why do they did she do it? FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 12:55 PM
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They are fictional characters written by men. Find out why and apply it to your own life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 07:36 AM
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There is a difference between "entitlement" and an assumption..
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 04:42 PM
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How are you trying to meet women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 05:58 AM
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Agree to disagree then, I guess? "Settling" is universally understood as taking an inferior, but comfortable, option. Considering that it takes time to get to know someone, it's quite possible that through dating, a woman/man learn that their new partner is actually superior to whatever they thought they wanted prior. Does "everything I knew I needed" mean they didn't settle?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 12:15 PM
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No, it’s just a typical romantic fantasy that most women enjoy. Most likely, they did find their man attractive, but women like believing they’re a precious jewel that had to be won.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 11:48 PM
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Most women have a responsive sex drive though; they aren’t going to want to fuck a guy’s brains out at first sight, not even Chad’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 11:10 PM
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it has nothing to do with advancement of society at all. Why are the most uneducated, poor, "unadvanced" people the most likely to have children?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 01:48 PM
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What do you think your gf would feel if she read your post? Genuinely curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 09:24 AM
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That when women do the same it gets labelled as “hypergamy”, “cock carousel”, alpha widowed”, or “delusional standards”.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 06:32 AM
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Or women are most attracted to men who are their own age...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 01:34 PM
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but not in large numbers Is it reasonable to ever expect that when women invest more in raising children?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 11:14 AM
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Remember women will still rarely "date down" Except the data shows that they're increasingly doing exactly that. People adapt to their environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 10:17 AM
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Because the options you provide aren’t realistic, so it’s a dumb “experiment” anyway. Everyone can choose to be single in this case. I think it’s even more useful to men to know that women would prefer to be single in your scenario; it explains why dating is so hard for guys today lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 07:10 AM
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The beta is choosing her too though. He could easily have gone and picked one of the ugly girls, but he didn’t, he is choosing the “used up” Stacy because she still has a higher SMV than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 07:45 AM
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The problem is that BMI doesn’t account for fat at all. Ppl should be looking at body fat %.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 06:47 AM
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Are we married? If not, then we should probably break up so both of us can find someone who is attracted to us. I don’t believe either couldn’t find other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 06:28 AM
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Women don't see short people as human. Or they don’t feel like a woman next to you. Either way, sorry :(
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 09:47 PM
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I’m betting that most guys you know are also low body count.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 08:56 PM
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Is your wife the most attractive woman you’ve been with? Or is it more your chemistry?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 12:45 PM
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That’s because men overestimate their attractiveness and value, as the studies show consistently, and erroneously believe they are entitled to 20 year old Insta models.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 05:54 AM
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Her looks is the main factor of her quality This says more about your character than women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 02:56 PM
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That's one possible reason. Another is that women date older / men date younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 02:51 PM
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See this https://images.app.goo.gl/Z69knnvWBrdfApLJ8
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 09:36 AM
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Sure, I agree with that but that doesn't really answer my question. It seems like you aren't really sure of the objective measures of beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 03:58 AM
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Do you think you have a clear idea of what people rank based on? E.g. what are the factors that make someone a 10 versus any other number?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 03:39 AM
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What would you rank him?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 03:18 AM
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I agree everyone has a type / ideal, but that is the subjective part so IMO it’s best ignoring that entirely. When people rank on a scale, they are removing their personal subjectivity. I can say that Adam Driver is a 6/10, even though he is personally my ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 03:00 AM
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Maybe not always exactly, but I think it would be close. You won’t see people debating whether someone is a 4 or a 9, the ranges will be smaller.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 02:54 AM
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Are you able to rank women on attractiveness? If you can do that, then how “subjective” is it really?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 01:25 AM
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I understand what you are saying but you are discounting that women have a stronger emotional bond after sex than men, as a result of more oxytocin. This means that, for women, sex can't be a "sexual experience" alone, as it's not purely physical in the way that it is for men. The stronger emotional bond makes it painful for women to have sex and be rejected after it, which is likely to happen with 90% of men who are only looking for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 05:44 AM
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Yeah because that big, bad relationship is going to jump out of your cupboard and consume you, right? People who think like that should grow up and take responsibility for themselves. If they don't want to "fall into a coma", then maybe... don't? Surprisingly, it is possible to learn how to communicate / enforce boundaries with people and to be in control of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 09:03 AM
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Why do men think that an exclusive, monogamous relationship = life long commitment? Most people don't like fucking someone who is fucking other people. Simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 08:13 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization_and_Its_Discontents
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 09:36 AM
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Sure but it’s probably higher than what most women desire, so both sides compromising a bit seems to be a fair exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 03:43 PM
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You said twice a week is average, so it’s not low by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 03:40 PM
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Any yet, twice a week is still more sex than what single people are getting from Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 03:19 PM
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Your previous comment is proof of my view. Men want different women for more intense sex (not their SOs), whereas women want one man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 06:59 AM
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Alpha for women would not look the same as alpha for men. It’s the traits that make a woman very sexually exciting / high smv. E.g. instathots are alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 03:56 AM
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Are you a man or a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 03:49 AM
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No man fantasizes about a woman sexually who he wouldn’t be with long term / be seen publicly with or whatever but women do. Huh? I completely disagree lol! Men get off on women that they would never want to seriously date all the time. Also, women would almost always have a long-term thing with men that they’re sexually attracted to, because most women want relationships over sex in the first place and they fuck as a means to an end (for an LTR).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 09:06 PM
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a lot of women I'd even say most love the attention from multiple men, This is a different topic entirely, isn't it...? My post isn't about who women want attention from, it's about the ideal man that women fantasise about being with..
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 08:41 PM
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Women accept it - so they really want it, IMO. They accept it because they don't want to die alone, like everyone. Do men use Tinder against the odds because they really want to or do they accept it because they are motivated to find a woman? BBs are not acting like AFs. It's rare that a man is either one or the other; most men have a mix of BB and AF traits. When men hit 30, they generally have developed more AF traits (i.e. assertive, confident, physically fit, etc), even if they were very BB …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 08:32 PM
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I agree that women may accept different circumstances but my post was about what women really want. What they do is AF/BB. I disagree. Most women have a responsive sex drive. Young women respond to the men who are pursuing them (aka AF) and by the time women are older, the rest of the men (aka BB) have gained confidence to act more like the AF's. but women are never ever happy. Are men? Serious question but I can't say that I've ever heard a man happy to be committed or married to a woman. Becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 08:18 PM
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Yes, you're right, and I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 07:59 PM
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You are to blame and you are the asshole (atm). You know in your heart that you are not compatible, she knows it too. It’s not going to get better. And you are being presumptuous by assuming that she will not find someone better, which is completely irrational. Have you spoken about these issues with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 04:58 AM
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It’s not about you, it’s about men, on average. There is only one gender that purposefully tried to keep the other beneath them, and it wasn’t women. Men are bigger risk takers on average, more egocentric on average, and more motivated by gaining power on average. Men love the power dynamic of having women beneath them so that they can control them (i.e. keep them).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 09:36 PM
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I edited. There is an opposite of hypergamy, which is hypogamy, which men have consistently practiced throughout history.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 09:30 PM
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Or is it that men are instinctively attracted to women who have less than them? Edit: words
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 09:28 PM
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K
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 11:13 AM
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That is only at the start, during dating. In the relationship, is it equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 11:04 AM
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What do you mean by "monkey dance" exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 10:11 AM
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I think it's less about gender and more about introversion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 09:49 AM
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He didn’t “run for the hills”; she called it off. She said she wasn’t ready.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 08:39 PM
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The question was “is love worth it?”. Both sides are equally equipped to answer that, whether they’re in love now or bitter about having lost it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 04:35 AM
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her beliefs on women It's not it's a subjective opinion though.. ? There are irrefutable differences between men's and women's libido; literally every study concludes the same. /u/death_by_1000_cats wasn't saying that women have LL; she's saying that men have very HL (on average), which causes them to behave in ways that women simply don't (on average).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 11:33 AM
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Sex is not the primary reason that women date, like what it is for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:20 PM
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Women don't desire men or sex lol. They fuck for a means to an end. Hypergamy is about that end.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 06:55 PM
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Until you see the PPD photos thread every purge when you realise that a lot of people here are actually legit attractive..
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:58 AM
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Hypergamy is about commitment, wanting to lock down the best option for their “resources”.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 05:18 AM
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It’s not about who men would fuck, it’s about who they would commit to. They commit to the best they can get - that’s why men always marry the hottest woman they’ve been with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 04:34 AM
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Guys desire women without regard to the hierarchy. Lol, why is every "field report" on TRP about hb8's then? You can't create a concept of SMV and rate women's attractiveness out of 10 and then argue that you feel the same when looking at a 4/10 compared to a 9/10... Men lower their standards for sex, sure, but they commit to the best they can get. It's a shame TRP men hate women so much, they can't even ponder that they might be more alike than different lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 08:55 PM
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The people who prioritized finding someone early are the ones who end up divorced though..
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:52 PM
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Okay but they aren't attainable.. If men were most attracted to attainable women, they'd be spending their money on women in real life. Instead you see the opposite, men blowing $$ on OnlyFans and porn for women who are out of their leagues.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 02:30 PM
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Huh? How are Onlyfans women attainable?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 02:05 PM
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Isn't it the same as men with insta models?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 01:27 PM
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Europe isn't that far behind the US these days.. https://ourworldindata.org/obesity
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 06:53 PM
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I'm like one of the only people who understand what he was trying to say. That's only because you agree with the OP lol! y'all are seeing it from YOUR perspectives. So? What's the problem with this? So by your logic if I have casual sex with a woman I'm obliged to enter into a relationship with her? Is that so? Where did I say that? By my logic, people shouldn't be treating others as objects until they are getting something out of the relationship. You can't even understand the implications of y…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 11:49 AM
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Having a womb doesn't make anyone useful either. Certainly not on a planet of 8 billion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 11:30 AM
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why am I to blame for having "used" her as an object? If you don't see the problem in this part of your reply, then we simply disagree. And fwiw this isn't about gender at all; this is about one's perspective on how they treat other people. You think that it's okay to treat people as objects unless they give you things of value. I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 11:28 AM
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Where is the non anecdotal evidence in the OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 09:29 AM
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It's not learned though. Men are taller, stronger, faster, most often smarter than women. These are inherent to being a man and they're not "learned" in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 09:20 AM
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Useless men have physical strength that useless women don't. There are plenty of other mindless examples of things that men inherently have, that women't don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 08:11 AM
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I'm genuinely trying to understand your view here. It sounds like you personally believe that people who reproduce have the highest value. Is this correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 08:01 AM
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I don't see single women expecting men to provide/protect for them to the extent that single men expect women to be "wife material". You work for the promotion. This isn't about promotion though, that's exactly the problem. Of course men force that girlfriends are "promoted" to wives. It's the best outcome for a man who can take the best years from his wifey gf without having to fully commit to her. No! If you want wife material, hire a wife. And you better be paying up for the duties / expectat…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 07:46 AM
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Define "objectively", please? How did you measure "intrinsic value"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 07:40 AM
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What does "feminine perspective" even mean in this context? This is a post and following discussion about valuing a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 07:39 AM
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No, that is BS. People like OP simply choose to treat others like crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 07:17 AM
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Can you share the data you're basing this off? What does "so many" mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 06:21 AM
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You really can't see how fucked up it is that a woman has to "do things" to be treated more than an object? And yes, it's equally fucked up that a man has to "do things" to be treated more than an ATM. PPD makes me hate humanity at this point lol. Why should women cook for men that aren't their husbands? If you want a home-made meal and bubbly woman waiting for you when you get home, then put a ring on it and play the traditional role too (i.e. leading and being provider/protector). Seriously, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 06:04 AM
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It’s not meeting for the first time if you had already met 10 years ago though, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 07:45 AM
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that almost 50% of young women So a minority?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 05:11 PM
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that we started out as “friends first”. She said that because she was too embarrassed to admit that you met from a cold-approach. Again, no one would argue that you were actually friends first in this scenario either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:25 PM
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How does someone move from an acquaintance to a "friend", from your definition?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:23 PM
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You're a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:13 PM
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No one would argue that you and your gf had a friendship.. You met on OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:12 PM
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but it's not necessarily easy pickings to find a good woman to be his faithful wife and mother of his children Would choosing from a handful of single women in a small village be any better? You might as well have posted on whether having the ability to choose or options to choose from at all is better than not. Despite the 'paradox of choice' that we all know about already, realistically, I don't think that most people want their options and freedom to be limited. Why would anyone expect pickin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 09:15 PM
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Are you trying to imply that the majority of children are being born from sperm donors? If a man has sex with a woman, he is at least 50% responsible for the risks and consequences. If more men realized this, there wouldn't be so many kids growing up without fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 12:47 PM
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Women can only have children by men. Men should take some responsibility for the results, considering they contribute to 50% of it at least. Hilarious that you’re trying to argue otherwise and expect people to be dumb enough to not see through that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 12:39 PM
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Vagina smell is usually BV or another infection. It has very little to do with hygiene and is often a pH imbalance. You should tell the girl that something smells off, she probably can't tell herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 12:52 PM
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Provide examples then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 07:27 PM
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Sex differences in self-reports of the number of sexual partners also showed the predicted trend, although it was not significant. The sex difference was greatest in the exposure threat condition, which encouraged gender role accommodation, and decreased in the anonymous condition. In the bogus pipeline condition, which encouraged honesty rather than social desirability, women actually reported more sexual partners than did men. This pattern should be interpreted cautiously because the overall i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 02:01 PM
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Significance has a specific definition in the context of experiments. Please learn what it means before trying to assume or change its definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 01:56 PM
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What you quoted is completely redundant because the results were statistically insignificant (i.e. no more likely to occur than random chance). You've clearly got an axe to grind and care only about twisting data to support your view, like a lot of PPD frankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 01:46 PM
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I can't actually make heads or tails of what is meant by that. Thanks for admitting that. I think what they are saying is 'not significant' is that Significance has a specific definition in the context of experiments. Please learn what it means before trying to assume or change its definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 01:42 PM
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Maybe try taking you're own advice. Sexual partners wasn't significant. Sex differences in self-reports of the number of sexual partners also showed the predicted trend, although it was not significant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 01:05 PM
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They're referring to this study: https://www.amherst.edu/media/view/239672/original/Alexander%252B%252526%252BFisher%252B%2525282003%252529.pdf And the results weren't statistically significant, though some people here continuously try to claim otherwise. This pattern should be interpreted cautiously because the overall interaction between participant sex and testing condition was not significant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 10:55 AM
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I don’t think it’s that they’re stupid but they project their own thinking onto men. Women rarely fuck people that they don’t consider attractive enough to be in a relationship with, but men do, and most women are naive to this. Women think men are like themselves, so when a chad sleeps with her, she genuinely believes they are in the same league. Hell, I doubt most women even believe in leagues. Most women are blue pill and believe that anyone can fall in love with anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 03:17 PM
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Because they are trying to get the guy to commit and most relationships start from casual/fwb.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 02:58 PM
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It's already "even". Women mostly want commitment and they don't get it with above average men. Men mostly want NSA sex and they don't get it with above average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 02:51 PM
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How can you tell what “the norm” is?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 06:21 PM
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My point is that men and women are “the same” on plenty of things, so why isn’t it possible that they’re the same on AF/BB?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 05:52 PM
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Do they need to be the same to share similarities?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 04:57 PM
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I’m sure very few of these women ever realize they’re reaching out of their league. Are you saying that's the the only reason that men don't enter relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 11:47 AM
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Ah, sorry. I got confused with the previous comment. I agree with your stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 11:46 AM
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Being bossed around and treated like a servant sounds like waste of life. Why do you expect women to "submit" to that then?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 10:49 AM
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Men do the same thing, dummy. When people are single in their 30s, it probably seen as more effective to hit up someone from your past than to try your luck with randoms on OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 08:56 AM
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Why did this sub interest you though?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 08:36 AM
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What problems do you run into that compel you to spend time in this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 08:34 AM
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It helped me learn what I like from sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 10:35 PM
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Roosh is white.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 08:24 AM
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Obviously you care, otherwise you wouldn’t write such a comment trying to convince women of your opinion. Like, I get that you think women as a whole are beneath you, but it is also possible that you lack self-awareness and empathy, which you’ve already somewhat proven through your behavior towards the people close to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 04:30 PM
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Why should anyone trust your judgements of character and personality? You cheated on a girl. Jfc lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 04:20 PM
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Women only fuck men that they think are attractive enough to be in a relationship with, so yes, it can be quite confusing that men sleep with women they aren’t particularly attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 04:10 PM
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This is spot on, IMO. I think guys lean avoidant and don’t like admitting they have feelings for a girl, because feelings = weakness for a lot of them. They want to keep trying to play the field, except that true connections are rare, they don’t know it yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 05:38 PM
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Sorry. You do you, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 01:00 PM
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5’5” is still literally 10% of men. It sucks but wtf can you do except play the hand you've been dealt? Same goes for the 10% of tall women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:56 PM
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That's like 10% of men. And 75% of women are shorter than 5'5" anyway, which is all that most women care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:51 PM
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They aren't pursuing women because they're not the men their fathers were. Testosterone has been dropping for decades; modern men are literally too much like women now. They aren’t who women want. Why don't you become men that women want then? The bar is so hilariously low... yes, for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:43 PM
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From the latest sexlessness "study" of 1000 undergrads: Just 16 per cent declared themselves excited at the prospect of having sex when they became a student. And male students are less sexually active than their female counterparts, with just a over a third (34 per cent) saying they’ve had sex during their time at university, compared to nearly half (47 per cent) of women, and more than one in ten (11 per cent) say they are celibate because they want to be. It sounds like young men aren't pursu…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:31 PM
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Same reason that older women have double the rate of sexlessness compared to men of the same age: Men date younger, women date older.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:20 PM
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Can I ask why you got divorced? And how old were you both when you married?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 06:05 AM
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More than 50% end in divorce. That isn't the first-time marriage rate. That includes people on their 2nd, 3rd, 4th+ marriage. Get married when you're 30+ and both college-educated and your divorce rate is <20%.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 10:32 AM
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Why does the retirement age show as the same for Germany? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement_in_Europe And by the 9 months, you mean the military service after high school? The one that was abolished in 2011?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 06:56 AM
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In which country? The retirement age is the same in the US and most other first-world countries. And what do you mean by 9 months forced labour?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 06:45 AM
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Stop assuming that I am emotional or offended by dependency. Tell me what laws require men to contribute more? Why did you write that if you don’t know any? Just explain your point further, maybe you’re right, but you haven’t given enough information to prove your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 06:37 AM
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I’m not even a feminist, you just can’t handle that you got called out and can’t explain what you meant; that’s why you need to resort to the supposed insults.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 06:33 AM
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The title is irrelevant, look at your comment. What laws exactly lead to men contributing more?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 06:30 AM
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YOU made it about gender, that’s exactly why I asked you. You can’t argue that men contribute more without agreeing with feminists on the wage gap (you’re both erroneously attributing effects to gender). Men aren’t taxed more because they are men, nor do women earn less because they are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 06:27 AM
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They work less as well. Because women have children while hubby works full-time. Women use social and health services more, as well. Mostly because women live longer than men and older people need more help in later life. The same services are available to men; if only they weren't so hung up on asking for / accepting help as being emasculating, huh. But saying women are self sufficiant This wasn't what we were discussing. You argued that women don't contribute as much as men. What you're arguin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 06:12 AM
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so that women are actually contributing as much as men What do you mean? People are taxed at the same levels, based on their income. On average, men are in higher income brackets, so ofc they pay more tax. High-earning women "contribute" more than average men too, there are just far less of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 05:12 AM
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Statistically, women are far better locks than what men are keys. How many times does a lock (woman) get opened out of all the possible attempts? How many locks (pussy) does the average man "open" today? "Master key"? You can't post about male sexlessness and seriously believe this at the same time lol. Men are terrible keys; always were, and always will be. It's biOLoGy, bruh.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 07:19 PM
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It's just a man has far less chances due to hugely increased timeinvestment he has to put in to experience each of his chances. Less chances = LESS time investment. Women have less time biologically, 10 years less. Additionally, they have to spend their time filtering through hundreds of men, most of whom want to P&D women. It's far easier to get casual sex than what it is to find a life partner who will propose to you. Idk why men can't see this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 07:12 PM
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. Did you read the OP before writing this lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 10:15 AM
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Why would anyone expect husband or wife value from someone who they aren't married to? Also, I'm fairly sure that most men consider their wives to have value beyond sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 11:59 AM
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I don't think I said any of those things fwiw? And I agree with your points.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 05:17 AM
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I think you’re assuming my tone incorrectly. I’m not talking about my personal friendships, nor am I whining. But I agree with you that people should leave when they aren’t getting their needs met.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 04:43 AM
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I totally agree with your last paragraph. Everyone has their limits.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 04:28 AM
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I agree these are issues but how are they related to the topic of friendship? This seems to be a bigger issue - men mix up a woman’s friendship for a potential romantic partnership.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 04:27 AM
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You are comparing friendship to fuck buddies here though, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 04:18 AM
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I literally said Emotional labour is largely defined as all the mental work that women have to do to look after their kids and family (aka household). There is no “me” in that statement. I’m talking about the theoretical definition of emotional labour. My perspective is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 09:20 PM
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I don’t think I communicated that it was my personal view or that I agreed with it. I was speaking about “emotional labour” as a theoretical idea which I, perhaps wrongly (?), assumed that most people knew about as a common feminist talking point. It’s the same for “emotional tampon” tbf.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 09:13 PM
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I agree with you regarding limits but that’s not really my point. I’m arguing that some level of emotional exchange has to exist for the relationship to have any depth and be considered a “genuine friend”. Plenty of men here say that they don’t want to participate in this whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 09:03 PM
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I didn’t say this was my personal view of men. This is my personal understanding of feminists’ definition of “emotional labour”. What a leap lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:58 PM
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It’s clearly stated in my OP that I picked the simplest one, for the sake of brevity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:57 PM
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Can single men? Why would marriage suddenly make a man able to be friends with a woman? It’s obvious, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:51 PM
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I think there is the equally common phenomena where because men can’t be emotional or “vulnerable” with their guy friends, they end up piling their emotions onto their SO/wife. Someone shared a link to an article about this in the comments here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:44 PM
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Emotional labour is largely defined as all the mental work that women have to do to look after their kids and family (aka household). It’s keeping track of hubby’s relatives birthdays, important random info like their kids blood types, shopping lists and whatever. Women get tasked with the responsibility of managing all of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:41 PM
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Yes, I agree with you. This is more about whether there is some level of “emotional labour” that exists in relationships at all, and you seem to agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:38 PM
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Can you be direct and communicate the problem you see, so that we might be able to have a discussion about it? The passive aggressive snark is a waste of time, frankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:29 PM
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Kinda? I think the question would be “is emotional labour inherent to intimate relationships”? I would argue yes. But in the “emotional labour” case, the problem is that women have to do all the emotional labour of a household. Are men doing all the “emotional tamponning” of friendships with women? I doubt that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:26 PM
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You just listed a whole bunch of things that friends do for each other. Are you effectively saying that your close female friends don’t do anything to help you out?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:22 PM
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But when the woman doesn’t want the man, she considers the man a friend. That’s why she is complaining about her boyfriend. That’s part of what friends do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:18 PM
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No, you’re totally right, I did somewhat mention this is another comment. I agree that the expectation shouldn’t (and cannot) be for people to spend their time listening to their friends emotional problems, of course boundaries play a huge part. But my argument is more that if someone does not feel like they can express their emotions, can you really say that you have a deep relationship, like friendship?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:10 PM
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Because it doesn’t exist to women. Women can genuinely be ride-or-die friends with men without wanting to fuck them. Men can’t do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:06 PM
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I didn’t really define the full extent of friendship but I do agree that there is more to friendship than sharing emotions. That said, my point is that (arguably) a friendship can exist without things like common interests or time spent hanging out. But a critical, essential, necessary part of all friendships is expressing / hearing issues and problems. The difference between a close friend and an acquaintance is precisely how much more you share about your personal life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:03 PM
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I’m sure that some women don’t reciprocate, most people are awful at listening. But I think that a fair amount of men are also awful at expressing themselves, which causes women to over-talk to avoid the awkwardness.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:00 PM
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Even so, being an emotional tampon is what gives any relationship depth. Everyone does have their limit of how much support they can provide, no one is expecting infinite patience, but people who declare that they don’t want to be an emotional tampon in any way just seem ignorant of the natural give/take that happens in intimate relationships (including friends).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 07:55 PM
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Watch what they do, not what they say. Sex isn’t as important as avoiding being alone; that’s why so many men stay in dead bedroom relationships and bitch about it online but never actually leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 07:21 PM
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Do you agree? Disagree? I just wonder what other peoples thoughts and experiences with this are. It sounds like you are lamenting how some people judge new, romantic partners based on their past experiences. Do I agree that women don't perfectly mind-read the intentions of a man and therefore make errors of judgement? Of course most will agree! The real question is whether you, OP, cannot see that men do exactly the same thing? Hell, a large reason as to why TRP exists is because men got burned …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 05:46 PM
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The one thing I don’t do is become their emotional tampon. Are you sure you're even friends then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 04:00 PM
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And my man over here that’s a 7 who works hard, does the right things, treats women right, etc, gets nothing? Ever?? Are you sure though? I'm a 6-7 woman and I think all my boyfriends (and even crushes) have been 6-7s too. and that type of stuff doesn’t happen to me anywhere near as much as it does to 9’s and 10’s Can you talk more about this? Maybe this will help me to see what I'm missing. What exactly were the differences in treatment?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 04:55 AM
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Definitely exists with men too. Tbh I think I am subconsciously attracted to people like that. Maybe I like people that I think I can fix? I seem to end up playing therapist or clown to people who don’t know how to be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 07:21 PM
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Not sure what that has to do with my original question tbh. Seems like a massive diversion from the topic at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 03:07 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 01:32 PM
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We always lived in a society.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 12:06 PM
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Why did the women with exactly 2 partners have a higher rate of divorce than 10+ until only recently? Clearly there are more variable impacting marital stability than n-count alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 08:56 AM
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“Should” or “shouldn’t” are cognitive distortions. Maybe you should reflect on what benefit you are getting out of telling people that they shouldn’t get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 05:11 AM
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People don’t get married for romance or sexual attraction.. The problem isn’t marriage, it’s people’s expectations of what it entails.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 03:35 AM
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Idk, it's PPD, we're talking in generalities. In general, masculine men are more successful than feminine men. In general, it would be better for the average man to focus on being more masculine than feminine. What's the problem here?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 11:08 AM
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You seem to have a very warped view of men. How would you know? You're a man; you don't date or fuck men do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 09:28 AM
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Some people want something more than variety or physical. Crazy huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 07:35 PM
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It’s a third-world country where the majority live in poverty. You see a similar trend in south east Asia, South America, or Eastern Europe, where women choose men primarily for their finances.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 08:49 PM
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And? The excerpt you quoted clearly states that 20-24 year old women (arguably the most attractive demographic to men) were more likely to have and older partner for financial reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 08:45 PM
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What is a “very attractive man” to you? What do women desire? How can you say “forget about plating” when discussing TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 05:44 AM
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Sexy, exciting, unpredictable, passionate = AF Cute, calm, stable, routine = BB
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 10:24 AM
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I don’t think it’s just women, it’s the same for men. That’s what “AF/BB” really is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 06:09 AM
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Taking the behaviour of one or a few and applying to all people is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 05:16 AM
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Aren’t you making judgements and false assumptions about what people are thinking on a date?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 05:00 AM
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Because vanilla gets boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 09:17 PM
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It disproves that it's specific to women, like you implied.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 07:02 PM
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For the same reasons that men sleep with "dumb Stacies" or "Insta thots". Sexual attraction ain't rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 06:38 PM
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What I personally see is that people who are in LTR's since their 20s are miserable with each other. They want to leave but are afraid to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 12:54 PM
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so they can live a kickass lifestyle. How is a fake lifestyle "kickass" lol?? I’m not sure what your point is Yeah, clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 06:57 AM
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A lifestyle that is only achieved by dummys who need to pay for it. Men who worked hard and are genuinely successful aren’t on Instagram showing it off. You can’t buy taste or character.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 05:39 AM
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He’s the king of Instagram because most people are dummys, including him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 05:15 AM
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Except it’s all fake and he pays the girls to be there lol..
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 04:24 AM
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That's not even mathematically possible. Do you know any Chads? How many new women are they sleeping with per week casually?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 08:16 PM
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Is it possible that you're also hyper-aware that you might fail?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 08:36 PM
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Most men I know who are educated and have professional careers You are a minority of men though. Most men don't give a fuck at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 08:12 PM
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It's not about you as an individual, it's about men as a whole. On average, men care less about education and career than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 08:07 PM
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Low self esteem tbh. I wouldn’t consider that a guy is into me otherwise; I’d assume we are just friends and he doesn’t see me as a romantic option.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 07:35 PM
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Lol that's fake. The only "lusty" women are getting paid to act like that, always have.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 07:42 PM
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Yes, but we hear that every day here and it's boring now. We never discuss the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 07:39 PM
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Because the average sexually frustrated chump NEEDS more sluts to have any chance at getting casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 07:38 PM
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What did porn look like on your dial-up internet? Implying that porn today isn't any different to what it was in the 60s is just dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 07:35 PM
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Not even a majority of women declare themselves as feminists today.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 07:30 PM
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Men don’t “demonize” sluts. We just don’t choose them for committed relationships - for good reasons. And that's fine but it makes getting casual sex more difficult for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 07:28 PM
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What percentage of women are having casual sex with 20 percent of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 07:26 PM
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Or is it that the more internet, porn, and vidya men have, the more men are sexless? hmm..
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 07:24 PM
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You’re a different person, of course you are going to be treated differently. Why should you be treated the same as Chad? You aren’t Chad. Hot Instagram Stacy is going to be treated differently than 5/10 Becky.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 04:32 AM
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AWALT. Right, guys?!! Fucking lol at any man who thinks that women from third-world countries treat him better because they are more “feminine”.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 10:13 PM
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Your point was that woman can't have a career or travel at the same time as having a committed relationship, right? So how is the impact of studying on a man's n-count/relationships even relevant here?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 10:58 PM
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I don't understand how this is relevant tbh..?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 10:48 PM
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Huh..? Did you consider that men's n-count is lower when they are studying simply because they are younger? Additionally, did you consider that "studying" doesn't impact a person's ability to commit at all; maybe it impacts a person's ability to meet people to commit to?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 10:18 PM
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Most people can have a career, travel, and maintain commitment at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 09:27 PM
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If your SO was unhappy, wouldn’t you be willing to compromise? That’s for sure why they divorced; the underlying resentment for a partner that doesn’t genuinely care about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 07:05 AM
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"Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 11:02 PM
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You just shamed, ridiculed, guilted, and implied you are always right in a single comment. Stay gold, PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 10:47 PM
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It goes both ways though. I don’t see any sympathy for single mothers or women who left abusive relationships; it’s always her fault for not vetting well enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 06:29 AM
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Of course they do; no doubt about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 10:37 PM
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The surveys only started in the 1960s (i.e. the peak of women's liberation). Maybe that "baseline" wasn't neutral.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 10:31 PM
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But compared to the average SAHM...?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 10:23 PM
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TheJim66: corRelaTiON doEsN’t meAn caUsation Also TheJim66: continues on to show exactly why correlation (young marriage) causes divorce lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 12:06 PM
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Lol it's the opposite. There is an indirect correlation with physical attractiveness and promiscuity; the nerds/uggos will be at orgies because they crave validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 03:48 PM
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Cognitive dissonance: people need to conjure up fantasies to soothe themselves from the reality that most sex and relationships are terribly boring, bland, monotonous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 08:35 AM
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Why did you get married? How do you justify it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 07:40 AM
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They've linked a study on PPD a number of times showing male tenderness wanes over time but not female. Even controlling for other factors (kids, work, etc...) men just don't want to be tender and affectionate after a while. Even the researcher(s) suggested that it may be that the main purpose of male sexuality is to attract a mate and obtain sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 12:33 PM
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Yeah, it also says that men’s desire for tenderness declines while women’s stays constant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 11:23 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/kye2qx/women_rapidly_lose_interest_in_sex_once_in_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 11:10 AM
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You mean the one that also said that men’s tenderness decreases over time?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 09:46 AM
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I don't think it's marriage but a combination of the following: Couples don't have enough space when cohabitating. I mean psychological / emotional space. People simply end up in relationships by accident (i.e. casual / fwb that progresses to LTR/marriage). Even if they know they're not compatible, they don't leave, because reasons. Some people don't enjoy sex and don't need sex yet they commit to higher libido partners who are their opposite. Misaligned values/expectations/beliefs in regards to…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 08:10 PM
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It’s bizarre to me that a man doing almost exactly what a woman would be doing in the “traditional” family arrangement is judged much more harshly than a woman would be. I understand your point but you said that you split chores 50/50, right? So your partner is getting a way better deal than the "traditional housewife" role. Double standards are shitty, yes, but I can understand why your friends think you're bearing the brunt; you're working outside of the home full-time, doing 50% of the chores…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 03:54 PM
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with a divorce rate in excess of 50% That isn't the rate for first marriages, it includes everyone on their second, third, forth, fifth+ marriages too. If you're college educated, get married in your 30s, and don't cohabitate before marriage, the first-marriage divorce rate is 20%.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 10:24 PM
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Yes, and I personally wouldn’t feel loved in a relationship with someone like that. I wouldn’t choose that relationship, even if I knew they would be a life-long partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 07:54 AM
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What if your SO was physically attracted to you but didn’t want to have sex with you? If you wanted to make them happy, you wouldn’t have sex with them. So suddenly you’re in a stalemate where it’s both of you with different wants and needs, and hopefully the ability to compromise. Saying love is an action is not controversial or unique. I’m kinda rolling my eyes as it’s such a platitude. Actions alone aren’t enough either, you do need to feel love, even though feelings ebb and flow.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 12:03 AM
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No, because I personally don’t think romantic love can exist without physical affection and sex. If a guy never complimented me, wasn’t affectionate, or didn’t want to fuck me, I wouldn’t feel “loved” by him. I understand the sentimentality around having a life-long partner but go read /r/deadbedrooms and see it for yourself - friendship isn’t enough for most people and it leads to resentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 11:41 PM
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Can you please give some examples of how women want men to be both dudes and chicks?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 08:02 AM
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Is your love of yourself enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 09:41 AM
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Irrelevant, it doesn't matter if he's on OKC or not, facially she sees him as unattractive. Women don't fuck men for only their faces. Yes I'm honest about women losing sexual attraction for men that aren't top 20%. They often lose sexual attraction for the top 20% too. It's not a man's SMV that keeps sex consistent in an LTR/marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:51 PM
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Uh that is the very definition of finding most men physically unattractive. The men on OKC are not "most men" Photos are rarely reflective of "physical attractiveness", especially for men (who suck at taking photos of themselves) but starfish sex and their sex life turning into dead bedrooms Yeah, now we're talking; at least you're honest about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 06:29 PM
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Most women find most men physically unattractive. Are you sure? Isn't it that most women on OKC rated men on OKC as below average from reviewing a photo alone? Most women that marry settle for a man that she finds mildly attractive Can you please share any evidence for this? Does this eventually lead to a divorce and/or cheating? If you're all so scared of divorce, why don't you focus more on the factors that are consistently shown to correlate to divorce (i.e. being higher educated, marrying in…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:08 AM
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Both these traits has nothing to do with personality. Okay... and again, you've said that 3 times already but still haven't shared a reason for why we should believe it. Why do scientists measure personality based on those traits? People’s personalities as having weak or strong personalities. How would you define or measure those? So it has to do with past trauma. There might be a relation, sure, but there are people in those communities that don't have past trauma too, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 10:43 PM
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You haven't given a great answer as to why fetishes/kink don't have anything to do with someone's personality though? I mean, they've studied this.. people into BDSM score higher on the personality traits of openness and conscientiousness. Do you mean that you can't predict a person's personality based on their sexuality, perhaps? I'd agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 10:27 PM
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To act a certain way in the bedroom doesn’t have anything to do with your personality. What types of things do you think are reflective of ones personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 10:00 PM
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The truth is that all of the things that women seem to think motivate men (largely based on their own projection), like power and control. The very idea of pursuing these things is just... exhausting. Have you considered that people who desire power and control are the ones projecting? I don't see why we should believe that only women are projecting about this; plenty of women find power/control exhausting too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 08:32 PM
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Both links you shared refer to a study. Where are the direct links for them? A survey is a study fwiw.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 07:37 PM
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Please explain how asking for an actual link to a shared study is denying men's experiences. I'll wait...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 02:54 PM
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Please link to the “study”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 07:43 AM
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Especially high value men. Idk.. IME high value men get married to high value women in their same industry/profession.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 10:03 PM
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Does anyone else experience this or am I just super weird haha? Haha I totally experience that too, you're good :)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 09:21 PM
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I happily masturbate, but that's never been because of some sex drive or as an alternative to sex. Why do you masturbate?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 08:59 PM
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Ok but still, you asked “what do you suggest?” and I think the advice applies to your personal situation as well as to everyone’s - if you’re a high income earner, it’s better to live in a city with other high income earners to find someone who is on “your level”.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 08:29 AM
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That’s similar to how I found RP too lol. I went on a date with a guy and his whole behavior felt so scripted that I googled it later and found RP 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 08:05 AM
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How do you not run into women at the same level? Where do you live?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 10:29 AM
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It still says that the results were statistically insignificant. Again, idk while y'all share these studies that you don't even read/understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 06:45 PM
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I meant the first link, sorry. From the study: Sex differences in self-reports of the number of sexual partners also showed the predicted trend, although it was not significant. Number of sexual partners. The two-way ANOVA on self-reports of the number of sexual partners yielded no significant effects, In the bogus pipeline condition, which encouraged honesty rather than social desirability, women actually reported more sexual partners than did men. This pattern should be interpreted cautiously …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 06:28 PM
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Did you even read the study in the first link? It says the results were not significant. Idk why y'all keep sharing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 06:18 PM
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Nice, have fun then.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/21 08:41 AM
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That the results were insignificant (no more accurate than random chance).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/21 07:47 AM
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That’s not what that study said, the results were insignificant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/21 07:12 AM
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How do you know they don’t have alt accounts?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 09:18 AM
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the purpose of the study was on sexual motivation, not men's declining tenderness Do you think they're linked? the decline is only drastic in the youngest age group. 30 isn't really young though, right? And considering 30 is around the time most people get married, that seems to be the most important age group to look at. And lastly, the "tenderness" aspect is not as interesting, frankly. Same question as above. If you're interested in women's sexual desire, wouldn't you also be interested in wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 03:39 PM
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So..? It's strange that you barely specified this point in your OP. Why did you focus on women's declining sexual motivation but not men's declining tenderness?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 01:34 PM
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Do you think you have an anxious attachment style?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 09:33 PM
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someone that will truly make you happy and perhaps make your life complete Look in your mirror.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 12:14 PM
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To me you really have to be blind to claim that men don't want relationships There was another related IFS study where 12% of the sexless men reported that they didn't want relationships (mostly due to religion, I believe). That number has increased. Plus, online dating is not the only way to date... that’s the whole problem - because of all the reasons I listed above, men prefer to swipe on their phones instead of meeting women through their social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 09:11 AM
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Sorry, I didn't answer for "what explains the growing gap". I thought you asked why young men have higher rates than women... The article has what they suggest to be the main reason for the gap: men don't want to be in relationships / get married. Also how do you know that porn is a cause and not a symptom. I agree that it's both. It's funny how you clearly neglected the biggest revolution in dating in the last decade which is online dating That's covered by my #1 and #6. People without social c…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 10:55 PM
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There are many confounding reasons: Most people today lack a social circle (and social skills) The economy - young people need to move to get jobs and plenty believe that they don't have their shit together enough to date Modern life is too stressful - who the fuck has time to be going on dates these days? Modern conveniences are too good - why would a man waste his time/money on dates or put his ego at risk in front of a real woman when he can watch 19 year old supermodels giving sloppy BJs fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 10:09 PM
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https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-are-the-men-without-sex Actually, it's even more than 80%... Hell, 43% of young men are having sex weekly. Doesn't look like AF/BB to me. Looks like "betas" (aka boyfriends) are the ones getting all the fucks IMO. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/happiness-recession-causing-sex-depression/586405/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 02:31 PM
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No problem, again you can have your standards. Just don't cry like a baby when a woman says "as long as I don't have to fuck him casually, that's fine".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 02:23 PM
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So an above average man has to settle for leftovers. If that's how you want to look at people, then sure. Fwiw by your definition, everyone settles for "leftovers" when they get to an age where they realize that they'd rather have a life partner than die alone. Your someone's leftovers just as much as they're yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 02:20 PM
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that an educated well groomed and fit man Fwiw, that's not average. will settle So.. ? Everyone settles in one way or another. There is no perfect partner and we all have our preferences. Maybe that overweight, unemployed single mother has a heart of gold. Maybe a thin, employed single woman is high-maintenance and cunty. This is the problem with analyzing and judging people based on their looks alone. That's why people like you are rightfully called "shallow". but fuck me for having some sort o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 02:12 PM
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You need to define what "better" means to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 02:02 PM
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Do you agree that the Manosphere argues that casual sex (aka "short term mating") happens as a result of Alpha traits? The article said The article you shared starts with "In evolutionary psychology and behavioral ecology...". What does this mean to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 01:55 PM
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below average women Men: we don't have ANY options! Also men: we have options but they don't look or act like the "real women" we watch in porn who we deserve... waaahhhh!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 01:23 PM
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Yes, it does. 80% of men had sex in the last year. Statistically average men are having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 10:47 AM
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You said in your OP yourself: “for sexual attraction it is the looks that matter to women”. This is exactly what women were saying is not true. Every woman has had the experience of meeting a guy with average looks but getting sexually attracted to his vibe. Every woman has had the experience of meeting a Chad with perfect looks but losing sexual attraction from his awkward humor or self-centeredness. Every man has had the experience of asking himself “she was sexually attracted to that ugly mf?…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 08:48 AM
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That study concludes that the change in height was not from sexual selection but from better living conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 01:14 PM
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It's not from sexual selection, it's from better living conditions and diet, especially for mothers during pregnancy. Dutch men aren't the only men who got taller in the last 100 years...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 12:59 PM
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You just totally made that up lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 08:06 AM
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Thank you, I got ptsd from reading OPs comments and feeling like someone was yelling at me 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 07:47 AM
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So you think the relationship ended specifically because you told her that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 04:50 PM
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I'm sorry that happened to you. Considering the circumstances, however, I'm not sure this can be really extrapolated to the "female nature" response to men expressing vulnerability. We don't know what your marriage was like and frankly, a divorce doesn't just come out of nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 04:27 PM
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Surely you've seen women mention "emotional labor" before too though? I think women expect their guy to be emotionally stronger and that they are less accepting of anxiousness or vulnerability than we are. I think women expect men to be as emotionally strong as women are. IME women don't spend weeks or months in states of depression and really dragging out negative emotions like men do; women don't get the luxury of that when most of us are the default caretakers of our children, friends, family…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 04:08 PM
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Can you give me a direct example of a time you were vulnerable with an ex and how she responded?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 03:13 PM
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Yeah, so that's exactly the kind of thing that makes this hard to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 10:07 AM
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Why did you say “they”? Did you mean multiple gfs?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 09:20 AM
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Has it genuinely been your experience that you can’t be vulnerable with a gf?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 08:39 AM
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I swear y’all have never seen a 30 year old woman in your life lol. That “21” year old is in her 30s and that “30” year old is in her 50s
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 09:16 PM
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Some people can have a job and be in a relationship at the same time, honey
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 04:13 PM
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It wasn't the nice rejection, it was the women that went out of their way to humiliate me. Sucks :( What did they do exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 09:26 PM
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That’s how female sexuality works. We default to No for every single guy and then the attraction builds over time through the guy’s actions because our sexuality is reactive (on average). The mistake men make is thinking our attraction isn’t genuine because we need more to be turned on. Is a lightbulb disingenuous because you need to flip a switch? You don’t even think silly things like that about a lightbulb because you have no judgement, the lightbulb just works like that. See the difference..…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 07:34 AM
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Someone shared this recently, which shows a similar dynamic: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A-YcBYUfgtc
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 11:49 PM
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I still just don’t get how men aren’t aware though.. You literally just said yourself that you divide women into AF and BB. Wouldn’t you just assume that women are exactly the same and fuck based on looks and date based on “father material”?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 11:43 PM
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Nice! I’m glad to hear that ❤️
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 11:36 PM
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We were friends already, so it was mostly being drunk and hooking up. I don't really think that's the same as being cold-approached as OP stated
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 09:13 PM
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but there is no denying the damage that’s been done Sorry :( You can change things with a therapist. Hard work though, not gonna lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 07:59 PM
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Sorry :( Would you go and get a thai massage? They're so good just for the touch alone; very healing for your mental health / self-care.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 07:55 PM
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What factors do you look at when you’re comparing women to each other? Surely men can extrapolate that and imagine how women compare men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 07:38 PM
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Still, I'd guess that once daily is a bit of an outlier for most men who aren't PUA guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 07:21 PM
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Yes, that's basically my life for the last 2-3 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 06:44 PM
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How many women did you approach last week?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 06:40 PM
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Definitely for openness (it's also the N in MBTI). The extroversion one is interesting though; it seems like a lot of people appreciate someone who is opposite or complementary to them, but I agree that most choose someone who is more similar than different.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 10:26 AM
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I’m sure all those things can be true at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 09:50 AM
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It’s kinda hard to rate a guy’s looks on OLD. Most guys have truly awful photos and other factors like height, voice, smell, big dick energy, etc just don’t show up in a picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 12:05 AM
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I don’t think women overestimate their looks (SMV). I think they overestimate their RMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 11:56 PM
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It happens to the majority of couples after 18 months IMO. I think most people just stay with the wrong partners and get so bored of their relationship unfortunately :/ I think having a partner who matches your level of curiosity/openness (novelty seeking) is important. You have to be self-aware enough to know your kind of crazy. Plus, just always doing new things together and making fun/play a big part of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 11:48 PM
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we already know through meta studies women downplay their sexual history Did you even read the studies linked in that article? No, no you didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 12:56 PM
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That study states multiple times that the result was not significant. Sex differences in self-reports of the number of sexual partners also showed the predicted trend, although it was not significant. In the bogus pipeline condition, which encouraged honesty rather than social desirability, women actually reported more sexual partners than did men. This pattern should be interpreted cautiously because the overall interaction between participant sex and testing condition was not significant In cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 12:42 PM
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The first paper does not have "proof" of anything. They literally conclude that from the 4 studies they reviewed, men report more partners and that there could be multiple possible explanations for why. They do say what their stance is but they don't have hard evidence to support it. Share the Knox study that you quoted. Third study is about rural Tanzania (lol) and again simply concludes that men report more partners than women but with no hard evidence as to why, only speculation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 12:35 PM
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lol you’re literally projecting about men‘s views on n-count. Just say y’all don’t like it, stop arguing that it causes societal problems, even the studies you all share show that n-count has a trivial impact on divorce compared to other factors (race, childhood abuse, education, cohabitation before marriage).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 08:44 AM
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That’s because you personally define high value as someone who gets cheap, easy sex. Maybe your definition is wrong...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 08:41 AM
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Please read the study they share with you in full. They’ve shared it before and the results were not significant. The researchers clearly state this in the paper.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 07:38 AM
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Only go after women who are shorter than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 11:32 AM
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See pages 6 & 8: https://repository.law.wisc.edu/api/law_fileserve/search?mediaID=11810
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 09:12 AM
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That isn’t how evolution works. It’s not “designed” to the environment. It’s random as fuck and traits that are naturally selected often don’t benefit the animal/species in a given environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 07:44 AM
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Someone posted an OLD study a few days ago, the data showed that 21% of women were NEVER contacted or “approached” by men on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 07:12 AM
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There's no reassurance or security in commitment now that divorce is so common. It's really not that common (~20% if you're both college educated and married after 30). Plus "alimony" is paid in less than 8% of all divorces.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 09:06 PM
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Now you can play cyberpunk lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 09:25 PM
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I'm sorry :( If you ever need anyone to talk to, I'd be happy to. After seeing that, I have an extremely hard time viewing the kind if attraction that you have to maintain a constant song and dance for as genuine. I think both genders are like that though and it's more to do with the conflict between comfort and novelty (also love and desire). I wish things were a bit easier for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 09:07 PM
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It’s really common here unfortunately. Thanks for sharing that post too, I don’t know why I’m surprised.. 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 08:36 PM
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I read comments like these and I don’t know if I should shrug and give up or just hug all the men here. It feels really hopeless trying to get you guys to understand that attraction and passion might not look like what you expect from women but they do feel it for you and it is genuine. It might not last forever, and you will likely get your heart broken at least once, but she was attracted and she genuinely, passionately enjoyed having sex with you. Not all of us get that “happily ever after” i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 07:46 PM
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The study does show that men can make up for being unattractive with income and education. Women, as far as I've observed seem more willing to enter a relationship with a man they find "not unattractive" for the comfort, emotional support, stability, etc. What are “good” reasons for women to enter relationships with men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 07:36 PM
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That’s your own speculation You're legit lost. The study that OP shared shows that men on OLD approached women with underweight BMIs 90% more than any other women. It's not my personal speculation, it's what the data says. The fact that you seriously think dad-bods are attractive to women The same study shows that women approach men with overweight BMIs more than any other men. Again, not my personal "speculation". I don’t even know what your overall point is supposed to be Yeah, thank you for c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 06:43 PM
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Clearly I’m paying closer attention to your own words than you are No, you aren't. Further, this still isn't any kind of rebuttal against the fact that men clearly prefer unrealistically, underweight women but continuously argue otherwise. Hell, there was a recent post of this. That recent study supports my argument - that men claim women overestimate how much men prefer thin women, even though they absolutely DO prefer thin women, shown by who they pursue on OLD. It's ironic that you're literal…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 05:31 PM
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Honestly, there isn't anything any of us women can say for men to believe us. I can show you photos of ugly guys who I was OBSESSED with. I've literally had tingles from the way a STEM-lord's watch sat on his wrist. Female attraction isn't like men's, it's not logical, it's based on feelings and abstract images in a girl's head. It can't be easily explained.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 05:28 PM
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You are agreeing with me lol. Look at the top 5% - it's made up of two groups of men: Men with photos who were objectively rated by the researchers as being "very good looking" Men without photos who self-reported being "very good looking" (even if they weren't) Both 1 & 2 here bias the top 5% in different ways. With #1 - the most attractive men are the most likely to post photos as stated by the researchers AND in my original comment: It's also more likely that the most attractive people are th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 05:16 PM
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Okay, but I disagree that it’s over for the bottom 30% of women Why do you disagree with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 05:02 PM
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Yes, and I did say that in my first comment. The second part still contributes too: that people who do post photos are also more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:55 PM
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Why can’t women improve their value with education and income? The whole point is that these don't matter. It shows it in the study - no amount of education or income can make ugly women more attractive/valuable to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:53 PM
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I'm clearly not fully understanding what you're saying, sorry. Can you please repeat it in another way? I said in my first comment that as only 27.5% of people posted photos and that the attractiveness is self-reported, that the attractiveness should be seen as a bit dicey in this study. I feel like we are agreeing. The top 5% is biased in two ways: by overinflated self-reports and by an overinflated number of photos by people who are more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:50 PM
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I want to know what it's like I get what you're saying. What do you mean by "what it's like" exactly? If you're wondering whether women can enjoy fucking non-muscular men, they can. If you're wondering whether women can get jealous over non-muscular men, the answer is "Of course!". Jealousy isn't dependent on a partners' looks alone, it's also dependent on your own personality and how jealous you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:31 PM
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No raw numbers means no context. Take it up with the researchers. The same applies to OP's conclusions too. No proof then. Got it. That is the proof. Look at the chart. Look at the bottom 1-20 percentile of men. Look at the rates that the top 81-100 women reply to them - it's 20-30%. It's literally quoted in the study: However, despite this difference in “pickiness,” we see that men in the bottom quintile of the attractiveness distribution can expect to hear back from the top quintile of women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:24 PM
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I said that already in my first comment... this doesn't discount the fact that it's additionally going to be biased by the most attractive people posting photos.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:14 PM
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Did you even read my last comment? PPD men post studies like that previous one and imply that women are "crazy" for thinking that men prefer supermodel thin women. Later, they post this OLD study which obviously shows that men BY AND LARGE prefer supermodel thin women. So why are women crazy or "underestimating" how much men value thinness? It looks like women are the ones who are realistically assessing what men want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:11 PM
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Yeah, you're either not reading that study in full or you're clearly not understanding it. BMI statistically correlated to BF for non-obese people (i.e. those with a BMI of < 30). The quote you highlighted is talking about BMI being an inaccurate measure specifically for obesity. Indeed, our analyses found that BMI correlated in similar fashion with lean mass as it did with body fat. In fact, in men BMI correlated significantly better with lean mass than with body fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:06 PM
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The researchers didn't indicate that this was the case Yes, they did. See here: Posting a photo online is a choice, and hence one might suspect that those users who post a photo are on average better looking. On the other hand, those users who do not post a photo might misrepresent their looks and give an inflated assessment of themselves. The data suggest that the former effect is more important. Among those users who have a photo online, the fraction of “above average” or “very good looking” m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 03:55 PM
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That's a self-reported study. If you believe the statement "watch what they do, not what they say", then the fact that men pursue underweight women the most on OLD is far more telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 03:37 PM
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I am not looking for something scientific Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 03:24 PM
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merely highlighting a possibly important drawback of the stat you gave That is your speculation and without data to support it, it's unwarranted; as a science student, I know that you know this. Studies that correlate BMI to BF% show that BMI is accurate for the majority of people. Do women seek out specific non-muscled men Firstly, women don't "seek out" men, period. Maybe men would be better off adjusting their expectations on this. In all animals, the gender that invests the most into parenti…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 03:12 PM
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Plenty of studies show that BMI is an accurate measure of BF because the majority of people do not fall into the bucket of "professional athletes" who it wouldn't be accurate for. Here is one of the studies. as opposed to someone who is shredded. You and the previous commenter have claimed this with zero evidence. So, your turn now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 02:58 PM
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Yeah, you're the one with zero proof. The data shows that women prefer a BMI of 27, period. If you/men want to argue that 27 here means a shredded bodybuilder, please provide the evidence for that. Considering muscular guys are outliers, it's unlikely to be the case that BMI isn't an accurate representation here (i.e. that women genuinely do find slightly overweight men to be optimal, as the study states).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 02:48 PM
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How many women actually approached? Not just stats, actual raw numbers. It's not reported in the study. The only thing that is reported related to this is the rejection/success rate of those who did approach, which is what I quoted. or do you have any proof? It's a result from the study. See it yourself here. Also we need to establish what "being approached" here means It means that they were emailed by men on the dating site. What makes you think the women men buy are any more attracted to thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 02:44 PM
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Sure but it can also indicate average / chubby men too. This shows why plenty of women state that they genuinely prefer dad-bods; however, any time a woman states that she doesn't care about ripped muscles, most TRP/PPD men will rake her over the coals. Further, this still isn't any kind of rebuttal against the fact that men clearly prefer unrealistically, underweight women but continuously argue otherwise. Hell, there was a recent post of this. It's this pure gaslighting from PPD men that drive…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 01:16 PM
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That really isn't what this study concludes at all. You can read my other comment here but frankly, OP has cherry-picked one stat and excluded the rest that show a much fairer picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 10:52 AM
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I agree that there is a clear difference between the top 5% and the the below 95%; however, this study has a lot of other data points in in that tell an entirely different story to the hypergamy doomsday that men are implying here. There are a few things to acknowledge about the sample that was analyzed: Firstly, this study is based on people's emails to each other (and who sent emails first). Emails were a paid feature at the time. This is obviously different to most dating sites today: Once th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 10:44 AM
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Disagree with what?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 09:08 PM
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That's not what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 07:55 PM
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it is when it doesn't fit your particular agenda huh? lol. I'd think a woman was shady for going on 4+ dates with multiple men too. I don't really think it's shaming someone to say that - like I said in my first comment, some people are going to be okay with dating multiple people at the same time, others are going to find it shady. As men, we know we have to carry in our backs a lot of female shaming every time we go after whatever we want in the dating world Really? Serious question. I'm doubt…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 06:33 PM
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But how will you really know who’s on the same page you are? Ask them. IME men who liked me told me (and vice versa). And is the issue just that they’re seeing multiple women, or having sex with multiple women? I personally assume anyone who is "seeing" someone is having sex with them. Of course that's not always the case but at least I don't get emotionally invested in someone who is lukewarm about me or playing the field.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 06:30 PM
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I'm not talking about dating but before start dating I'm talking about that too. I think dating is a bit different in Europe. It would be seen as shady to be going on dates with multiple people (excluding first dates though).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 05:57 PM
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instead men have to talk and purse as many as possible I don't think a lot of people will be interested in someone like that. I've definitely lost interest in a guy because he was open about him going on dates with other people. It seems like some people can only really focus on one person at a time and others are able to focus on multiple. The best advice is probably to find someone who is on the same page as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 05:43 PM
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But after sometime I felt like I'm kinda her emotional tampon. That's what friends are! All friends are emotional tampons for each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 01:07 PM
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Why don’t you ask them?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 02:01 PM
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Yep exactly! Normies wouldn’t get that though and just assume club = high n.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 09:48 AM
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Lol it’s the complete opposite. It’s far more accepted for men to be hypergamous than it is for women to be. You’d think men here would have a drop of self-awareness and empathy and conclude “hey, maybe all people are like that?!” but that isn’t the conclusion at all and I doubt it ever will be. It goes against men’s entire outlook on life to admit that men and women are more similar than they are different, even though that is the accepted stance by science/academia (oh, but they can’t be “trus…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 09:07 AM
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It doesn’t change anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 08:48 AM
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I’m genuinely sorry that your experiences with women have made you believe that. I find it hard to believe.. how did you ever make an LTR work without showing “emotional need”?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 08:30 AM
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Some maybe, others were famously incel. Kant, Schopenhauer, Thoreau, Nietzsche, and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 08:28 AM
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Of course but the men here will never listen, no matter how many women say otherwise 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 02:39 AM
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Personally, I think she could read that you were putting on an act. That comes across as more cringey than a guy who is “excited or desperate”. Plus honestly, I want to say that 90% of men are playing exactly the same game you are. Stoicism was an ideal set by men, not women. There is a reason why a lot of philosophers were incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 02:15 AM
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Also, since you did not answer my first question, I presume the answer is yes which fits perfectly to my memory of that thread. Yeah, scientists call that confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 01:48 AM
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OLD was not the main point, nor does it discount it. Why would women have the same standards for every single man? You literally have to be assuming that every man is the same as any other, with no variation between them. Every woman has a base standard of whatever image she has in her head of “mr good enough”. Every guy she meets, with his unique combination of traits and complexities, is compared against her “standard”. Some men are further away, some men are closer. Pro-tip: all people are li…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 01:35 AM
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Maybe I misremember that other thread I think you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 01:21 AM
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So women generally do this, That isn't what I said. Did you just read what you wrote? You're going to need to speak a little more directly/assertively for me to understand whatever point you're trying to make. Strawman How? I can't fully remember our older discussion but I believe it was a post about average men demanding that they be treated the same as Chad on OLD. Why should that be the case? Women fuck based on merit (aka genes/resources/value), right? How can men believe women are hypergamo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 01:20 AM
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And op wrote that she is that kind of woman, and for some reason we should go for women like her instead of going after better options. Please quote where I said any of this. What a leap lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 01:10 AM
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I'm lost as to how you got lost here. You asked me 2 different questions: one was a question to me personally as an individual, the other was about the probability of Chad with all women. But nice try on the "gotcha".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 01:08 AM
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The vast majority of guys will walk away if she turns out to be bad LTR material. What % do you think, if you were to estimate that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 01:00 AM
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I still compliment, be physically affectionate, even hook up.. just not have sex until I feel more comfortable and trusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 12:59 AM
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that women would do this for chad because chad is better than average men Sure, I mostly think about probabilities. Is it really a stretch to say that Chad is more likely to have women sleep with him in 1-3 dates than other men? This is part of what supports my OP. 1-3 dates is not always attraction/genuine interest, sometimes it's a strategy to "lock a man down". And that chad deserves this, like how an intelligent dude deserves to work for NASA (lol). Someone with near-perfect genetics has a h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 12:51 AM
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I'm not saying this happens in even a majority of cases btw. Anyways.. yes, a man can obviously choose to not have a relationship, however, it's far more likely that he will want to stick around after sex. "Tricking" is not really the right word, neither is "manipulation", but it's definitely along the lines of "influence" or "negotiation" (all these words sound grimy though tbh).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 12:45 AM
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women who are actually significantly attracted to you Can this be displayed/proven only through sex within 1-3 dates, to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 12:40 AM
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"Trapping" is way more dramatic language than necessary but it's how some men/TRP genuinely frame it. Sex definitely bonds people emotionally and I can understand that people do feel stuck in situationships that they didn't intend to ever be more than sex, simply because of the feelings that naturally occur when you're sleeping together. That's why men get oneitis for "plates" etc. For women who do have casual sex or early sex What about for the women who don't have casual or early sex? I mean, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 12:38 AM
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which one are you gonna believe is more interested? Yeah, I get why men believe that; the question is more: how do you/men know that that's not the whole strategy that you're being tricked by? It's similar to women in porn/sugar babies. Admittedly, it's messed up for me to say, but a woman who is wildly hungry for a man's dick seems to usually be getting paid to pretend.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 12:30 AM
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I tried to allude to it in my OP but "fast sex" has a lot of overlaps with cluster-B personality disorders that are inherently manipulative (NPD, BPD, avoidant attachment styles, etc). antiquated ideas of sex roles I totally get how this is coming across. Sex itself is not "concerning" at all to me - I'm talking more about the comparison between 1-3 and 3+. Which has higher odds of a man being "tricked" by a woman, in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 12:23 AM
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but it's sort of hard to discern what it is exactly. Your flair is red so you're a good person to ask. Do you think the likelihood of "manipulation" is higher from a woman who fucks a man within 1-3 dates or a woman who holds out for 3+ dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 12:12 AM
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Yes, certainly more than men. I think women "trade" sex for a man's security. Friendzoning can be for multiple reasons but it generally boils down to a woman not believing the man offers her enough value for what she's really looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 12:10 AM
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Women enjoy sex, too 100% agree. but it seems like you really believe this is a prevalent occurrence. I think it's a prevalent occurrence that men assume 3+ dates with a woman means she's not attracted and/or is trying to use him. My argument is that I think that sex within 1-3 dates is more "concerning" than 3+ (though I think we're aligned in that women/people aren't malicious in even a majority of cases).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 12:03 AM
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I feel like a chick really finds me hot when she makes me wait 10 to 15 dates before we fuck. Are there ways that you'd feel like a chick finds you really hot (other than her fucking you)? TRP guy isn't going to get married anyways. It's not really about marriage, it applies even to "plates".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 11:53 PM
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If women quickly fuck somebody they don't like, what's the friendzone about? Isn't it possible that men who get friendzoned don't offer value to a woman beyond "friends"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 11:48 PM
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I like parties and some good techno. I'm like this too but my n is fairly low. Always preferred dancing+molly than fucking some Chad in the bathroom lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 10:45 PM
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Yes. Funny how 50% of the population claims otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 12:22 PM
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Another example where a man openly admits that men are hypergamous...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 08:21 AM
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What would you tell your 20 year old self?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 12:16 AM
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What did Cinnomere86 do that made you think they were compassionate and cared about the average man?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 11:06 PM
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As much as you might believe otherwise, I agree with you more than I disagree. You still didn't answer my question: How can we, women, show men that we care? What exactly are men expecting women to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 10:45 PM
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If men didn't exist, women wouldn't have had to fight for their own humanity. But gee, thanks soooo much <3
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 10:34 PM
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The advice still stands, even more so now.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 10:23 PM
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I know I don't own any women Can you step outside of your own head for 5 mins and ponder this: of the 100+ billion people that have ever lived on Earth, did men treat women as property more than the reverse? So arguably, women were disadvantaged for more than 30 years, right? Its weird to hear, we kind of care, but we don't really What would "caring" look like to you/men from women? It's a serious question. Past behavior of other people is a very thin rationalization to say future men will also …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 10:07 PM
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and a perfect example that women really do not care. How can we, women, show men that we care? It's impossible. Men didn't fight for women's rights either, so I can easily argue that "men didn't care". Women aren't going to start protests and march for men. We've spent too damn long fighting for ourselves. Do men care about men? Why aren't you out there fighting for yourselves, like women did?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 09:56 PM
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women just don't care about men as a whole We do care. The problem men have, is that for the majority of history, women were genuinely oppressed - shut out from education, voting, human rights; referred to as morally, intellectually, physically inferior, and as the property of men. Female newborns are STILL killed today, literally "instantly deleted from the earth". Even if women benefit more today than men as a whole, women need a few thousand years more of preferential treatment before we can …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 09:38 PM
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The other contradictory part is that men claim a large part of the "eww" factor is in committing (i.e. investing your time and resources) into a woman who isn't attracted to you and who is blatantly using you for her own gain. If that's not the literal definition of a pornstar or hooker, I really don't know what is... and yet see how many men are paying for OnlyFans or premium pornhub or Tinder lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 09:01 PM
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I don’t need to ask the department of labour, you made the argument; the burden of proof is on you, which you haven’t done yet...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 09:39 AM
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The economy tanking affects everyone. What % of STEM or business majors are on the dole compared to other majors?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 09:05 AM
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Sunk cost fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 08:55 AM
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All of that text and not a single answer to my question. You implied that STEM and business majors end up at Starbucks - can you please confirm the % that happens to? Otherwise, it might be you who is delusional here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 08:52 AM
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I think you and /u/Aaren_Augustine are defining sophistication in a different way to most people. If your problem is actually women acting like they’re in sex and the city or “liberal” women, then just say that... A woman can be liberal without being sophisticated (PLENTY of women fall into that bucket). Again, a woman can be on a Carrie Bradshaw character arc without being sophisticated (hell, one of the main characters, Miranda, probably falls into that bucket too).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 08:47 AM
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What % of STEM and business majors end up working at Starbucks?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 08:32 AM
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Alimony occurs in less than 8% of divorces btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:51 AM
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Another poster commented above what I think is the “why” for this. There are more 1-4s in men than there are for women. There are less Chads than there are of Stacey’s. Women have less variability between themselves and group around the 4-8 range. Men have much more variability so they’re spread from 1-10. My experience on OLD is that you get shown 10 perfect Chads at the start and then 200 3s.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 07:47 AM
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It boils down to testosterone and men having a biologically stronger drive for sex. Women have a stronger drive towards mental/emotional intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 07:32 AM
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So LTRs just mean responsibility, work and misery to me. What do you care more about... happiness or meaning?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 10:25 PM
1

What were the main contributing factors to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 10:21 PM
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How can you possibly know that you want to commit to someone for life if you've only been exclusively dating for a few months? This is kind of the point of my OP - I get the impression men here define an LTR at a similar level to marriage/life partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 10:14 PM
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That story was fake btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 03:03 AM
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Okay, but again, can you not see what this looks like to women? Why is it perfectly okay for men to “screen” me with him penetrating me but it’s a travesty if I “screen” a man by asking him to exclusively fuck me for 3-6 months? I just don’t really get what men think they are losing out on here?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 11:29 PM
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Sorry your previous relationships have made you feel that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 11:25 PM
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That’s kinda the question of my OP - what exactly do men feel like they are “giving” by waiting 3+ dates or more with a single woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 11:16 PM
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Did you read my OP? Respectfully, you seem to be a bit lost on the actual discussion here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 11:13 PM
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Can you explain more about why you wouldn’t you enter an LTR before knowing whether you were sexual compatible, please?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 11:07 PM
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What game do women figure out exactly? No offence but have you actually spoken to any 18 year old women lately? They aren’t strategising against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 11:04 PM
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Kinda, yes. It’s like the edgy new thing to call all relationships narcissistic and “conditional”, so you’re going to have to break it down a bit further for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 11:02 PM
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Were you exclusive/committed within the first 3 meetups? Did you consider yourself in an LTR in the first 3 meetups?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 11:00 PM
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Ok then what do you think of women who act differently to men at 30 than what they did at 20?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 10:55 PM
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That’s a question for men. Why is the constant message here “she’s only attracted to me if she fucks me in 1-3 dates”? I’ve never, NEVER seen a comment on PPD of “I knew I was really attracted to her because I wanted her to be my gf in 1-3 dates”. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 10:53 PM
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I don’t really see how it’s “apart of the relationship” especially for most of the men here. If you consider the prevalence of PUA, TRP, MGTOW, you have to consider that there is a sizeable amount of men that don’t frame “relationships” as relationships at all. IMO men make LTRs out to be this giant burden and restriction on their freedom, yet at the same time complain that they don’t get enough sex when single.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 10:51 PM
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So you act differently to women you date when you’re older compared to the women you dated when you were younger?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 10:47 PM
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You think an LTR is the same as marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 10:40 PM
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Okay, let's just continue going along with men's agenda then, amirite?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 10:37 PM
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with the intention of it lasting the rest of our lives I don't think women think of LTR's like that, especially in the first 1-3 years. PPD women - please correct me if you think I'm wrong here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 10:36 PM
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But even in the early stages? I mean, you're kinda proving my point... why do the only options seem to be casual sex or marriage/life-time commitment? Most women are looking for a monogamous "trial" period where you are both dating each other exclusively and seeing if it could be a "relationship that lasts a long time" in the future (IMO).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 10:34 PM
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Do you have the actual study by any chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 10:31 PM
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Women live longer in old age when you’re most likely to have health issues. Women give up their careers for their husbands/partners, to raise their children. Women control household spending because they cook for the family and look after children. Men do not go to doctors or access health services, even when they should. Men choose professions that earn more, meaning that they contribute more tax. Did you consider these?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 11:47 PM
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Huh? It appears to be the exact opposite of what you're saying. "Working on yourself" in OPs case seems to be being a boring workaholic with social anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 03:15 PM
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They use social media to look at other women. Most men use pornhub and are the ones who make comparisons and ratings systems of women. You didn’t respond to the other part of my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 07:16 AM
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You said you spent your 20s avoiding the “fun stuff” because you were “working on yourself”. Why is your personality superficial? What exactly were you working on? You can’t buy your way to being alpha, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 07:13 AM
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Most women aren’t on tinder. Look at what women dressed and acted like in the 20s. Then look at what men dressed and acted like. I think men have deviated further away from the “traditional masculine archetype” than what women have on average (even with pink-haired feminists etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 07:02 AM
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Are you sure women’s standards have even changed? How do we know that it’s not men’s standards for themselves that have changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 06:50 AM
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How much time do men spend?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 06:40 AM
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The disagreeableness and neuroticism was obvious from your post though (lol). The low conscientiousness is interesting. Tbh it’s not a great combo and from your post history, I get the impression you’re quite narcissistic frankly. Everyone wants to be desired by a partner but I think we all have to be mindful of what our expectations of others really are and whether they’re realistic. From your earlier comment, my genuine impression is that you’d be better-served by focusing on building friendsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 06:51 AM
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Have you done an MBTI test?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 06:29 AM
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As I understand, you’re lamenting how women haven’t cared for you. You said you live a lonely life, so I’m curious - How have you cared for others?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 05:27 AM
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You mentioned it already with the whole foods but the lack of dietary fiber is mind-blowing. People are so obsessed with supplementing protein and avoiding carbs, but only 5% of Americans get the recommended daily intake of fiber (found mostly in plants).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 11:43 PM
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It’s not really controversial, I’m just pointing out what you are coming across like.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 09:11 AM
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Way to stigmatize people that are born with different brain chemistry to you. Such “vibes” lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 09:00 AM
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That isn’t true. Psychotherapy is still the most effective treatment, cbt/act or psychoanalysis specifically. It just takes commitment and time. Drugs are only helpful for certain conditions and even then, a lot are still no better than placebo in clinical trials, plus they come with a slew of side effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 08:41 AM
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Fwiw you really have no idea what depression is and you really shouldn’t be discussing it. Depression isn’t someone moping around being sad. And I did my grad school in psych, so yes, I am qualified to tell you this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 08:35 AM
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It sounds cushy! Obviously you spend more now and retire later than you’d have to if you were more frugal, but that’s the choice everyone makes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 09:31 AM
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Well, that’s what happens when you sleep with someone quickly. Sex is chemical, emotional bonding (no matter how much men try to claim otherwise) and it leads to people ending up in relationships with people that they aren’t even compatible with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 09:26 AM
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Stop projecting your depravity onto everyone else. We don’t have to “enjoy the decline” with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 08:51 AM
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Maybe if you had waited and properly vetted them, you wouldn’t have been divorced 3 times.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 12:12 AM
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Don't buy a house in the bay area.. problem solved!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 03:15 PM
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Even 7 years is a bit much isn’t it? Do you spend $140,000 a year? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 09:39 AM
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I don’t understand how this is relevant tbh? This comment thread was discussing whether women have a short term dating strategy when they’re young and later switch to a long-term strategy in their 30s (af/bb). It’s not about whether women and men have the same amount of relationships. Every national survey shows that men have more anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 11:36 PM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 10:18 PM
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What makes you think that some women move from short term to long term at all? I’d bet that the vast majority of women have both, like the vast majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 07:48 AM
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This is a great comment! It’s interesting to wonder why men are so hung up on sex.. sure, the massive biological factors (testosterone etc) are obvious but I think the way that sex (and women) have become a way that men validate themselves and compete with each other is pretty interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 11:56 PM
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80% of women get married at least once. Isn’t that what you mean by “long term strategy”? Or do you mean staying married without divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 11:43 PM
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The method of the study says that the women only saw facial photos of the men.. I guess I don’t think that this is enough to say that women are less likely to use condoms with more facially attractive men in real life...? There are so many other factors of attraction for women IMO (as a woman) and even more factors as to why you wouldn’t choose to use a condom. Hell, make all these virgins drink half a bottle of vodka and let’s see the results then 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 11:27 PM
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How is it any different to men keeping some women as plates versus others as “gf material” or “wife material”? Edit: to add, people select for different qualities when they want a serious relationship. Aren’t you most concerned that women don’t fuck the “relationship material” guy as quickly/easily as the fuckboy guy? Are you sure that even happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 07:56 AM
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Can you see how a lot of people might see TRP as manipulative and taking advantage of women too? Honest question.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 10:46 PM
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You’re the same as any feminist complaining that there aren’t any good men left and all her friends agreeing with her. Anyone who hates an entire gender comes across as obviously ignorant to the majority of people with normal social skills and expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/20 07:04 AM
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What is comical are your standards and boundaries. Why did you get into a relationship with a woman that you didn’t even respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/20 06:51 AM
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Because your friends with people like you. You’re living in your own echo chamber.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/20 06:37 AM
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Oof.. I’d give you gold if I could !!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 07:23 AM
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But removing women’s rights = women needing men, not wanting them, right? You’re saying that’s a better consolation than nothing at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/20 10:37 AM
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Plenty of women would rather be with a man than be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/20 06:42 AM
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Why are you so uncertain? Do you not know enough women to come to your own conclusions or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 11:05 PM
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You don’t think men specifically go after younger women partially because those women have less of their own power/dominance (and need them more)? I think a large part of wanting virgins is for the fantasy that they will get attached and never leave you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 11:04 PM
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Would you choose the former, more needy woman knowing that she is also more high maintenance and less interested in sex? This is a total generalization obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 11:01 PM
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TRP is arguably a response to the fact that, thanks to feminism, women don’t really need men anymore. Look how flooded /asktrp gets by men who can’t handle their plates breaking.. it might be to help them be wanted but they clearly don’t enjoy not being needed too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 10:54 PM
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What about among your guy friends etc? It seems like enough men find needy women to be a turn on that it can’t be completely ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 10:48 PM
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I’ve seen multiple men post it here and in TRP that they like being needed. It’s arguably the key part of the “provider and protector” trope inherent with men/masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 10:46 PM
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It can be financially but I meant more emotionally than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 10:44 PM
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You get that these are outliers, right? Go look at the stats, it’s by and large men who are abandoning their kids, if anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 06:54 AM
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Actually, I've seen a fair number of women do this, but only in order to run off in pursuit of Chad, lol. Sure you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 07:19 PM
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wtf lol, read the full thread here. Are you seriously telling me you think Cardi B's n is lower than George Clooney's? Sorry but I bet high SMV slutty women have a far higher n than any alpha Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 08:51 AM
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That’s because one side doesn’t bear the responsibility of raising children that another side does..
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 07:48 AM
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I don’t believe that Chad can get absolutely any and every woman on earth. It doesn’t work like that IMO, there are too many women who will still say No to him because sex has simply more risk for a woman than a man. The highest SMV woman in the world could literally have every man on earth, there would be no man who says No. There are about 15% of women who have have unrestricted sociosexuality. I’d bet they have a higher n than any high smv man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 07:21 AM
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Wrong. Women biologically do not desire or seek sex as much as men. Plus, those guys are rare. Where is the average woman going to meet him?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 07:09 AM
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That’s an assumption. Even with the highest SMV, a man does not have the options for sex that the average woman does.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 07:04 AM
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He would be friendzoned.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/20 09:15 PM
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The name calling and ad hominem quips are made by those who have zero form of an argument. “WaTcH wHaT tHeY dO”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 07:39 AM
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You are still following someone else’s packaged-up theory on women and love without critically thinking about it yourself. Further, with the amount of field reports and bragging about having multiple HB8 plates, negging your LTR, and pumping and dumping “sluts”, it’s obvious that it’s about getting approval and validation from other TRP men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 07:28 AM
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You replied to a comment that implied women are childish for basing their love life on what others think and impressing others, right? You effectively agreed with TRP that women are childish in that regard, right? Considering that TRP is an ideology for men to base their love life on the perception and approval of other men, then you/TRP are just as childish as any woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 07:12 AM
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How is basing your entire love life based on the perception of TRP any different?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 07:04 AM
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Yes, money might be a reason for divorce but that doesn't mean that having more money (or avoiding those with less money) solves the problem. It's just as likely that a partner has unreasonable expectations, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 10:41 PM
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I’m sorry :( It breaks my heart to read stories like this. My brother is someone who just never seems to be able to get a break too. Sure, we’re all responsible for some parts of our lives but people are delusional if they don’t think that random luck plays a significant part. I hope things look up for you soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 07:33 AM
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The problem is that okc was based on photos only. You’re seriously underestimating how much a man’s presence influences how attractive he is to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 07:06 AM
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Is that enough? Maybe it should be revised to "eat properly and lift"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 10:01 PM
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MEN SLEPT WITH THE "ENEMY" TOO. Japanese women who married American occupiers That's also men sleeping with the enemy. La Malinche who betrayed their people for European colonizers That's also men betraying "their people". If America were instantly conquered tomorrow by an army of strong, tall, attractive, and rich Russians who genocidally slew all of your boyfriends/husbands, fathers, and brothers and became the most politically powerful men in the world, would you be willing to marry them and/…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 11:10 AM
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Speak for yourself lol. I clearly asked you: What makes you think they are different? Both society and the recipient would instinctively respond with "fuck you". I literally said it 3 times.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 03:10 PM
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What lol? I’m talking about the recipient
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 02:26 PM
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Yes. Most people instinctively want to respond to all statements with “fuck you”.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 12:36 PM
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if women never agreed to maintenance sex because of sex ultimatums What do you mean by that? Why the hell would you want to continue fucking someone like that? You need to raise your standards and probably your self-worth IMO. And I believe you were referring to how society views ultimatums, not how the person the ultimatum is directed towards would view it. What makes you think they are different?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 12:18 PM
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at what point do you cut your loses At whatever point you personally feel that staying in the relationship has more negatives for you than the positives it brings. Fwiw I think too many people stay in relationships where they aren't happy for too long; they're literally wasting both theirs and their partners precious time to find someone else that they're more compatible with. It's more complicated with marriage/kids though obvi. and how is that different than the ultimatum "if we don't start ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 12:15 PM
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where sex is a big part of it. Idk about that. Look at /r/deadbedrooms - there are plenty of low libido partners who don't particularly care about sex. It seems like you're projecting your personal desire for sex from your POV as a higher libido partner. then the sexless partner should communicate that they're considering leaving due to it. And then leave if it doesn't change. Yes, I agree with you. This is just different to an ultimatum. This is a "warning". It's what I suggested too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 12:09 PM
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It seems more likely that people that cheat have the same libidos as each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 08:10 AM
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If there wasn’t an ultimatum there could be a compromise like, we won’t have sex tonight but we will have it at least x times a week in the future, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 07:47 AM
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“Women are the oldest teenager in the house” “Women are children” I don’t have the links but they’re well-known TRP statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 01:52 AM
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Yes most people would because they’re ultimatums. Most people instinctively want to respond to all statements with “fuck you”.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 01:40 AM
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It’s the majority opinion of all ultimatums. All ultimatums are a manipulative threat, regardless of their content. You’re honestly being conceited at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 01:31 AM
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Yes you can do whatever the fuck you want, why you are asking permission for how to live your life? Not happy? You can break up. Not getting sex to your standards? You can break up. Believe me, your partner will be 100% better in the long run by being broken up with by someone who isn’t satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 01:25 AM
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I’m really not sure if you’re just being purposefully obtuse at this point. The ultimatum does not leave room for a compromise, do you get that? I mean that there is only one option (other than leave) which is for the partner that doesn’t want sex to have sex. Instead of assuming that everyone defines relationships as you do with the same “rules” and expectations, maybe you could communicate with your partner before you ever get into a rship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 01:21 AM
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Fair but I don’t think that’s the case across all retailers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 09:32 PM
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It’s not on the niceness. With the ultimatum, there is only one option, which is to have sex. In my comment above, the options are more on the couple communicating through it and finding a compromise. Not everyone enters a relationship for sex only so unless you’ve explicitly communicated together already that sex is effectively a signed contract, I don’t think you have any ground to stand on. How many partners have you told that when sex stops, you’re leaving before they get in a rship with you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 09:30 PM
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The ultimatum isn’t a “heads up” though lol, it’s literally coercion like your title. A heads up would be “Hey, I’m unhappy and starting to think we should break up. I don’t want to do that though and would like us to try and work on these problems. Can you help me?” The reason the ultimatum is “horrible” is because it’s only about one person getting their needs met. There is no compromise and no communication. It’s a snarky way to force your partner to do what you want without considering them.…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 09:08 PM
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Then you’ve provided no rebuttal to my argument which is that expenses for girls are higher because products targeted at women are more expensive. Go buy a woman’s t-shirt and see for yourself. You’re blind to your privilege as a man in this regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 09:03 PM
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You have still not provided evidence for your claim that the reason more money is spent on girls is because girls complain more than boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 08:27 PM
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The ultimatum is "fuck me or I am leaving". Can you not see the difference between that and "I do not feel fulfilled in this relationship because sex and physical intimacy is a need for me. I think it's best we break up" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 08:26 PM
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Why can't you say out loud that sex is a dealbreaker for you? I think that most people even know that today tbh. And it's rare that breakups are ever genuinely mutual. Most people are leaving when a relationship doesn't work for them anymore, even if their partner prefers to stay. You're arguably holding both of you back by staying together if you feel unfulfilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 08:01 PM
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This is a "study" about the money spend on boys vs girls. No part of this supports your claim that the reason expenses are higher for girls is because girls "complain to their parents that they 'want/need' something when they are more likely to get their parents to buy it for them".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 07:20 PM
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Why should that be considered non-consensual? Because all ultimatums are manipulation and are frankly stupid. You can't make someone change against their will. You can only accept reality. Assume they're never going to change and act accordingly. If you can't love them, then leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 07:15 PM
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towards female children to have them complain to their parents That is completely made up by you. Can you please share any research that supports that female children demand more from their parents? I know from my own experiences growing up as a male child And I know my experiences as a female that I was given my sister's hand-me-downs. Your anecdotes aren't data.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 07:09 PM
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Products/services are targeted at women in general because they're more likely to buy. The fact that women control most household spending, which I think is what you're trying to get at if only you'd speak directly, doesn't mean that women have "more access". It's not like men lose access to their own money in relationships/marriage. Plenty of men just willingly let their gf/wives control finances when they're buying all the groceries, looking after the kids, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 05:48 PM
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that boys also have significant expenses Not as significant as girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 05:43 PM
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Is discrimination against males simply natural, or is this only because of a toxic anti-male culture that has arisen in recent decades? What a leap lol. Did you consider that it's because product/services targeted at women are more expensive?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 05:42 PM
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I'm genuinely not sure what your point is in posting this. Do you believe that this one woman's account of rape is reflective of all women who are raped?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 05:17 PM
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Yes. Why is this? There is still stigma around being single. It affects men too but women face it much more IMO. My family was/is more conservative and Catholic and haven't really caught up to "modern SMP". Frankly, I'm running out of time, no sugar coating it. My family/friends want me to be happy and add the pressure more as a "friendly reminder". Where does most of the pressure come from? Mostly my family Colleagues do also ask about relationships etc eventually and those convos are always aw…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 05:31 PM
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There are still plenty of people (men included) that are in relationships only for security though too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 06:49 AM
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Any shortage does not affect women negatively enough compared to the subservience to men that they would need to fix it. Now that there are more women going their own way, it’s much more known and normalised in the female social matrix. The stigma of being a single woman is decreasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 06:25 AM
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This isn't a subjective opinion. It's basic math.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 05:43 PM
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How am I saying they're the same.. ? The probability changes based on the denominator of attempts, as you said. But 3/3 is still a predicted probability of 100% for the next guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 03:16 PM
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What does this paper say to you about the strength of the correlation?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 05:38 AM
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omg lol! I edited, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 08:36 PM
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Sure, there is no problem with preferences/feelings like yours. The problem is when people try to argue that higher n = higher probability of cheating or lower SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 08:34 PM
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Yet the 3 is easier to get, therefore "cheaper" (aka lower value), and even more likely to cheat on you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 08:26 PM
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3/3 YES = 100% probability that she will fuck the next guy who tries. 6/100 YES = 6% probability. Edit: because I'm a dummy :)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 08:02 PM
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The researchers concluded that the results were not significant. The title of your post is a reflection of you either misunderstanding the results or simply lying. Further, with a sample size of 105, I shouldn't have to point out that this paper is not representative of all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 07:53 PM
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Use some intuition. You mean feelings over rationality. You didn't answer my question and frankly, I'm not sure you understood it, so let's just call it a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 07:35 PM
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Which you are also blatantly misrepresenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 07:25 PM
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If there were to be a statistically significant outcome, it'd be women claiming their n count is lower than their actual count Why would that be the only "statistically significant outcome"?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 07:24 PM
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Ok, kid. None of us can help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 07:19 PM
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What does that mean to you? Are you saying that because it was included, that it's true?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 07:13 PM
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On a lie detector though? It's a bit different to a standard self-report IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 07:10 PM
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The full section is redundant due to the result being insignificant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 07:07 PM
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The results weren't statistically significant.. Number of sexual partners. The two-way ANOVA on self-reports of the number of sexual partners yielded no significant effect Sex differences in self-reports of the number of sexual partners also showed the predicted trend, although it was not significant which encouraged honesty rather than social desirability, women actually reported more sexual partners than did men. This pattern should be interpreted cautiously because the overall interaction bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 06:42 PM
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You mean that, generally, you don't think women should work?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 05:49 PM
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What is your work?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 05:12 PM
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If you do actually agree with what you just wrote then how can you also believe in an "SMP". A market, by nature, requires that there is an objective scale of value for everyone (like the pricing of products).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 01:42 PM
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Because Chad is more of an asshole to other men than women Because other men are jealous of Chad, they unconsciously consider him to be MORE of an asshole than what he really is Because other men don't see what Chad is like with the women he is banging/dating. Actually, any woman who has ever been with a Chad knows that they're the sweetest men of them all (that's part of the hook).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 01:21 PM
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women would rather share a high value guy Or women date older men... Women DO typically date men 1-3 years above their own age. The 30% sexless stat is for men aged 18-29. Women who are late 20s are likely to be dating men in their 30s (who are excluded in that younger demographic).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 01:16 PM
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This seems very transactional too. How exactly? I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 01:07 PM
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The Purge Week from a few years ago was the best. This is still my fav post ever on PPD (you had to be there though to get it, I guess) https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9kl9b6/good_men_good_values/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 09:14 PM
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You're her plate too, just remember that lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 12:50 PM
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Women aren’t getting limerance from one night on tinder lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 07:04 AM
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assuming both parents want equal custody Firstly, it's less common for men to even ask / want equal custody. Secondly, I'm curious if your parents divorced? From experience, my Mother was still responsible for far more than what my Father was, despite them having "equal custody". School fees, dentists, doctors, lessons/hobbies - there is more to kids than "food, shelter, clothing, transportation for the children". Nobody is forcing a spouse to give up their career in order to have children. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 03:36 PM
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But what's in a name? They're literally two different things, Shakespeare. Is it fair that a mother has to pay everything for the kids after divorce and the father doesn't have to pay for anything, to you? Likewise, is it fair that a wife who gave up her job/career to raise her children and family (a decision that the husband willingly made too) is now left with nothing when she is mid 40s and devoid of any career prospects? Stop playing the oppression olympics and making out that men are victim…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 02:50 PM
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You are deflecting the actual argument. Do you think that a man who sleeps with a foreign woman is less disloyal to his race than a woman who sleeps with a foreign man?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 02:19 PM
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Alimony is not child support; they are different things. Considering this, the rest of your text doesn't really make sense and is inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 02:18 PM
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but why should he then be forced to pay her alimony? That happens in < 8% of divorces. And it happens when the wife gave up her job/career to raise their kids or manage their family.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 12:45 PM
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The underlying topic is the same. You are trying to justify why it's less disloyal for men to fuck and marry foreign women compared to women who might do the same. Why does it matter what the kids' language is, the race they identify with, or the country they live in? The father still fucked and married a foreign woman, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 06:54 PM
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Let me guess, you also don't believe it counts as cheating when a husband fucks a random because he comes home to his wife every night?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 06:07 PM
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Oh look, men also hamster too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 05:58 PM
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It's fake. Why does the girl in the middle have two names? First she's Nesa then she's Katie.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 02:50 PM
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Read the studies. Narcissists attract narcissists. Why do you think TRP ends up with the women that they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 02:46 PM
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Narcissists attract narcissists. For every woman wanting a Chad there is a man wanting a Stacie only for boosting his social status.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 07:40 AM
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white Americans who took Japanese wives American men were "disloyal" to their race too by your own argument...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/20 11:50 PM
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Maybe make sure you use consistent names next time? Can't believe you wasted your time making this in photoshop lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/20 11:42 PM
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As if y’all even know what “feminine” is... 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/20 08:07 PM
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YOUR MOMMA.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/20 06:58 PM
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Just point out that the dating pool gets worse for both genders as people age. I thought that would be obvious. You’d have to look harder in your 40s and 50s.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/20 06:22 AM
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I’m definitely like this 🤦‍♀️😂 I have lower self-esteem too so I’m like “you’re sexually attracted to me?! What is wrong with you?” 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/20 10:20 PM
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Feelz before realz :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/20 07:02 AM
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It’s the only way to not be compared to other men. You definitely don’t want a girl comparing you to all her Chad bfs when you know you don’t match up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/20 06:39 AM
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They studied this by hooking men and women up to lie detectors. Only men lied, for women it wasn’t statistically significant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/20 06:36 AM
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women who behave like this Behave like what? "Dual mating strategy" argues that AWALT, doesn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/20 01:00 PM
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Not relevant to this thread. Thanks for your contribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/20 12:59 PM
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Empirical means results from controlled experiments, specifically with hypotheses.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 07:09 PM
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There is constant gaslighting in this sub From people like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 03:59 PM
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So what is your problem with that other user's comment? My problem is men's framing of "dual mating strategy". When men say this, they are discounting how Chad is different and what Chad does differently to end up as AF instead of BB. Men can realize what game is being played and act accordingly. It's not a conscious game by women though. Women would LOVE to want to fuck more men. If we don't feel like we're attracted and we want to fuck them, what are we supposed to do? Acquire status and wealt…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 03:55 PM
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Maybe stop thinking about it as "mental illness" and consider it as a method of learning about yourself with an unbiased guide. Are people "ill" for getting a personal trainer? should it be female or male? Are you male or female? At the end of the day, it needs to be someone you can connect with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 10:33 AM
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You've clearly misunderstood both comments. You're exactly the same as the fictitious, insincere women that you so desperately need to vilify.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 10:29 AM
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I'm saying that people act out of their self-interest. Women fuck when they want to fuck and they will wait when they want to wait. The men who fuck earlier made her feel like she wanted to fuck earlier, which is a combination of looks, game, emotional bond/trust, and blind luck for her being in the right mood. Chads inherently have better looks, better game, and they actually enjoy women, which means that they can get the emotional bond, and the right mood.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 10:19 AM
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You aren’t the same men! You’re literally the same as feminists arguing for hiring quotas. You want equality of outcome when it’s simply not possible (and shouldn’t be). Chads are better than you, just like Stacies are better than me. They deserve to fuck more and more easily; same as people with high IQ deserving to work at NASA. There are natural hierarchies among us all and our talents.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 06:08 AM
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That’s about 10% of men btw. Not discounting it but it is a vocal minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 08:35 AM
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I get the feeling that any man who vocally states his tit and ass size would get ostracized Men do vocally state this already. Why do you think women are getting the fat taken out of their stomachs and put in their asses? Thick thighs, thin waists, big booties, etc, these are all consistently vocally stated by men. It's just so normalized now.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 07:12 AM
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They aren't making fun of short guys for "being short"; they're making fun of short guys for being insecure and having chips on their shoulders, even though the women were happily dating them. You don’t see them complaining about short guys having a dating app for them? I don't see a single comment "complaining" about short guys having a dating app. Can you share where you see that? Also they said some absolutely dumb shit like saying tall women have it worse that short guys. How do you know tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 07:06 AM
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I agree with you but I do think there are clear cases where statistics/science can show a more "true" representation of reality. Like, why should I just believe men who claim 80/20 when the data shows that most men are getting some sex? Hell, the GSS data shows that 70% of men self-report having sex at least once a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 07:02 AM
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Love is something you give, it's an action. Consider that in your world, men feel it and women can't because men don't know how to give love.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 06:52 AM
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When I delve deeper into what they mean by this, it seems like they are looking for assurance that he will protect her and provide for her, so it is similar to a secure job that provides a stable income. There is a regular and consistent supply of power and protection or monetary resources. This makes me think that you're a man LARPing because the women I speak to NEVER mention "getting monetary resources" as a reason for wanting a bf. which means she is dependent on the man for that regular sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 06:47 AM
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It is a thing that happens, and goes unquestioned by the mainstream consensus. It happens but it doesn't go "unquestioned". Who are you kidding? Women are slammed by men for stating that they prefer tall guys. that men are permitted to express their preferences and women are not I agree that men don't write "I prefer thin women" in their dating profiles. That said, men being open about their preferences is also a "thing that happens". No guy is getting shamed when he's talking about thick thighs…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:57 PM
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Mainstream society is a-ok with "you must be this tall" on a woman's dating profile Where is that mentioned in the post/comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:24 PM
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Eh? I'm not even FDS and I don't see how this is "making fun of short guys for being short". Seems like most comments are about short guys who had chips on their shoulders even though the women were happily dating them. What makes you think otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:08 PM
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Thank God. Last year's felt like it went for a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:03 PM
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They mean the marriage certificate that gets signed at the wedding. What is that even for actually? I have no idea lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 09:32 PM
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Until men vet for character they will always have bad relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 08:11 PM
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I don’t get your point here. Marriage is still “one for all life” I believe. Most people don’t marry planning to divorce down the line. Do you mean people who have back-to-back relationships? I think generally they too are in a “one at the time” LTR with the intention of it becoming a “one for all life”, assuming they’re compatible enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 02:17 PM
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Lol she wasn’t hypocritical at all. You’re crying like a baby because your poor little feelings and ego got hurt after you were rightfully called out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:08 AM
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Men vet for “character”? Just like all those TRP posts about their BPD exes literally burning down their houses, right? Or the posts of when their gf stops fucking them but they decided to propose and marry her anyway, right? 🙄 Edit: are you doing okay OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 05:32 AM
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You don’t have to be officially married. The comment above already explained it. 15 years of living together, they’d decided together that she gave up her job/career and was therefore dependent on him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 05:04 AM
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The problem isn’t women, it’s specifically you. You changed yourself for pussy. That’s on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 06:34 AM
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You’re assuming that people have to approach to get relationships or sex. Most people have historically met through friends or at work. Even today on dating apps, men aren’t “approaching”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 06:33 AM
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Alimony is awarded in less than 8% of divorces anyway. I get the fear but it’s really overblown by men here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 09:35 PM
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You’re a man. How would you “witness” it when you date and fuck women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 09:27 PM
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Women can say the same about commitment. Why did men commit to their ex gf before sex but now demand that the new girl sleep with him asap? See how this shitty thinking works.. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 05:24 PM
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A women flashing her breasts or privates is celebrated. Celebrated by men. Topless photos are cherished and awarded. Cherished and awarded by.. you guessed it.. men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 03:35 PM
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there is evidence to support further investigation into the idea that deadbedrooms are affecting genders asymmetrically. What evidence? And that there is an asymmetry between how attracted each gender is to one another We still have not proven that deadbedrooms are a result of attraction. It's an assumption you/TRP make. Where is the evidence of that? I'm open to but there is no data shared so far. But it is equally frustrating when the response is to simply suggest there is nothing there at all…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 12:10 PM
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But the goal here isn't to win debates and points I understood your goal and agree with the intention. You're misinterpreting my tone (hard to convey via text). To some extent I am 'iron manning' TRP arguments Respectfully, I don't think we can appropriately "learn" if we are not aligned on TRP's argument in the first place. That's why I corrected you. is that these guys very soon Let's hone in on that a bit. Would you agree that generally, these guys don't have a lot of experience to compare be…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 11:06 AM
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I think the typical TRP argument would be that attraction always wanes with familiarity That is not the typical TRP argument. The typical TRP argument is that the woman was NEVER attracted and that she settled for a beta just for commitment/children. highly attractive, 'alpha' type men who marry: sure, there is a lessening of attraction over time, but from such a high point that sex remains robust in the marriage. How do you know that? the still extant gender roles and behavior inside marriage t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 10:21 AM
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You said it didn’t count as a woman being genuinely interested in you, which I did read. The last comment you wrote before this one just made it sound like you were saying that because you didn’t pay by the hour, it wasn’t prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 06:38 AM
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Why don’t you actually read that “study”? It’s not backed up at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 06:32 AM
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That’s like saying that you didn’t hire a “real” graphic designer because you paid them for a whole fixed project instead of hourly. Prostitution is paying for sex. You paid for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 06:29 AM
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As compared to men who define stages of their life by their achievements Yawnnn 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 06:24 AM
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Most women are attracted to who they marry. The problem is what happens after that when you’re living together, have kids, no sleep, lots of chores, etc. Couples need to have more space from each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 06:22 AM
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That’s pretty similar to mine too. I would want to have one kiddo though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 06:19 AM
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As if men aren’t going to always want women to be more feminine than them.. not sure why you think otherwise. I don’t see men here talking about how much they’re attracted to all those masculine, low agreeableness career Karen’s. The message is loud and clear that they want 18 year old neotenous, doe-eyed trad-con stacies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 01:22 AM
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Just because it’s a transgression to YOU doesn’t mean it is one. Male Solipsism at its finest, jfc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 01:13 AM
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Women hate being desired for their body/looks only. It’s very shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 12:48 AM
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That is about how women choose to study traditionally feminine careers in more egalitarian countries. That is something completely different to what I wrote above - even your link confirms that the cognitive differences in women (i.e. mathematics/STEM proficiency) are reported to be smaller in egalitarian countries. Anyways, my main point was that what people select for in a partner is changing based on our current environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 08:45 PM
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This doesn’t make sense because sex can die off for even Chads / attractive men in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 06:59 AM
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I said that women are increasingly marrying down. They adapt to the environment and men available.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 06:19 AM
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That is an option for some of them It's not an option for most of them though. Do you get that? So why are men able to make out that they have it worse for having to work and earn money, when most women have to do exactly the same? and the notion that somehow a nameless corporation cares more about them. That's a strawman. Never heard a feminist or any woman on PPD argue that their companies "care more about them" or whatever you're trying to construe with that. but the feminist narrative that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 09:51 PM
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TRP doesn't complain about women working That's not what this OP is about either... Men here DO frequently say that women don't need to work and that they can choose to be SAHM's; they express resentment at women actually enjoying their careers. Women aren't given cash and prizes for existing, they need to work today, just like men. or in this case 'men want to have power over someone, anyone, and can't stand that they no longer have it over women'. Another man literally posted this today: "Wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 09:17 PM
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Women invent strawman What strawman?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 08:58 PM
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Yes, linked in this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 08:27 PM
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Why should women be given this advantage? Men give that advantage, why don't you ask them? Why do men value women's looks over the time/money/effort women put in to dating? You don't understand how markets work. You're whining about the basic concepts of supply and demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 06:40 PM
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Yeah, thanks for repeating exactly what I just said... ? You don't want to be a "cry baby" so you aren't going to get what you want. That's on you to think about.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 06:38 PM
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Because loser men want to have power over someone, anyone, and can't stand that they no longer have it over women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 06:36 PM
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For women men's income is about 4 times as important as vise versa. That was in the past when gender inequality was higher. The more egalitarian a country is, the less differences there are between men and women. They've shown this for cognitive ability and mathematics scores - where women get similar results as men. source They're also increasingly finding this on what men and women report wanting in a partner today; men increasingly value a woman's financial status. This is all part of the var…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 06:35 PM
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Society doesn't give a single fuck about young men. Society doesn't give a fuck about anyone, women included. Minorities like women, black people, immigrants, refugees etc, only get "help" because they complain, and the squeaky wheel gets the grease in the US. Part of being an adult is realizing all this. Men will never complain because they're too afraid of appearing vulnerable, so y'all just whinge on reddit anonymously.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 06:04 PM
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Despite how much you want to twist this as a "gotcha", women being paid less for the same job/qualifications is not the same as ugly men who can't get sex on tap with 8's. What have these women given society that makes them think they're entitled to the same pay as men? They gave their time, money, effort into the same schooling, grades, and work experience. Why should men be paid more?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 06:01 PM
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It only happened because of the agricultural revolution. As men managed capital, they got the power. Of course, it always then looked like women were hypergamous, but really it was that all men had more status/resources so they were inherently “above” women. If women were biologically hypergamous, then prehistoric/hunter-gatherer societies wouldn’t have been egalitarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 05:28 PM
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That isn’t true. Women are continuously marrying down in income and education with each generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 05:20 PM
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Men like you can get out of your situation. You said it yourself - it’s not that you don’t have options, it’s that you don’t like the options you have. Plenty of ugly, loser women would die for a boyfriend but you think you’re above them and that you deserve the women you watch in porn. Cut the “woe is me” BS and be real. Why should society give a fuck about you? What have you given to society that makes you think you’re entitled to anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 05:11 PM
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That's not true. Women are happiest in later life, after their 60s. Source
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 12:01 PM
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Everyone also has equal opportunity to make money than in modern society I agree with most things you said, yes. We should get rid of all social welfare and social programs. 0 handouts to handicapped people Don't agree with those though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 10:11 AM
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Yes, everyone has equal opportunity in the SMP today. You are seriously overstating the number of men who have literally zero options. If you are now ranting about the quality of options, two things: Your “looksmatch” is determined by what you can get in the market. If you can only get 3’s then you’re a 3. If someone wants higher quality, they can self-improve. Just like how people change careers, go to grad school, etc. You don’t just get to be CEO, you need to work for it if you want that, lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 09:34 AM
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women's sexual nature does not promote equality Women's sexual liberation promotes equality of opportunity, not of outcome. Today, everyone has the choice to sleep with and marry who they can get. Feminism and equality has given women more power, but it hasn't made them happier. Single women are the happiest - happier than married women from the 50s. Arguably, it's being in relationships with men that make women unhappy. Who knew that being a man-child's bang-maid isn't fulfilling?! Divorce rate…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 07:46 AM
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big muscles, good career, tall, and not afraid to be rough if he has to This is the unconscious male homoerotic fantasy lol. You know who likes men with big muscles, good career, tall, not afraid to be rough? Gay men. Women are genuinely happy with a guy who is slightly taller than her, with a lean swimmers' body, who has a stable job to support himself, who can get along with her friends (or at least pretend), and who fucks her passionately. I don't know why y'all keep hyperbolizing the standar…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 03:04 PM
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What is your end goal? Is it to find a life partner? I don't think having infinite options helps with that necessarily nor would having a n-count in the hundreds. Having some options is better than having no options, sure I can agree to that and sympathize with people who literally have nothing. However, are infinite options better than some options? I'm not sure about that. I assume it's like wealth - once you get $70k USD per year, everything above that comes with additional costs (physical, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 09:28 AM
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You would learn more about what you like sexually from one or a few LTRs. Casual sex sucks compared to relationship sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 06:37 AM
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Still, you’re implying that having casual sex and more partners ends up with a better result (I.e. that women know themselves and what they want in a partner better). The data doesn’t support that IMO. Actually, if people with higher n-counts are more likely to cheat or divorce, then it’s clearly the opposite - it’s technically better in the long run to have less experience and an n-count of 1. Also, you’re wrongly assuming that casual sex experience gives you “wisdom” about LTRs. They’re two to…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 02:27 AM
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You seem to be really hung up on the idea that women get more experience, and are therefore able to pick the right partner. This isn’t true. Look at the 40% divorce rate, most initiated by women. Look at the rate of single mothers. I’d argue it’s even harder for women to pick the “right” partner because they have to sift through so much bullshit, which comes with all the emotional baggage too. It’s been shown that statistically, having more options leaves people worse off - women suffer from thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 02:01 AM
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I don’t think women “get fooled into bed” anymore; they get fooled into thinking the guy actually liked her enough to keep her around after sex. Also, not really sure why you framed P&D as it being all the fault of the woman. I think it’s much more on the guy and what he wants at that point in time. If a guy doesn’t want a relationship or is still hung up on his ex, I don’t believe sex with a Victoria’s Secret model would even change his mind. The cases where a woman is P&D because she has a bad…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 05:55 AM
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I hope you know that people will just click on the links, read them, and see you’re just making up things and arguing in bad faith. That is legit what you are doing. What’s wrong with a study from Tanzania? Nothing is wrong with the study. What is wrong is your generalization of one study from East Africa across all Westernized cultures. Knox et al. (1993) found that the most Did you read this study? It's not peer reviewed either btw. Fisher, Terri D. “Gender roles and pressure to be truthful: L…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 11:06 AM
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Most of these conclude that only men overreport.. Do we really care about rural Tanzania? Also, the lie detector one is the only one that really matters IMO and it wasn’t statistically significant that women changed their number, only men did.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 04:01 AM
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Briffault’s Law isn’t real. It’s been rejected by actual anthropologists and doesn’t even make sense - does it really look like women determined the conditions of people throughout history to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 09:07 PM
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How is porn not women “doing something”?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 08:57 PM
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Esther Perel even says No on this. A lot of people are hardwired to monogamy. Some people are fine with open rships/infidelity and it works for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 12:35 PM
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Why did you write “promiscuous WOMEN are more likely to cheat..” ? You just supported the OP lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:17 AM
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The majority of women are not fucking on the first date with hundreds of men.. lmfao. My gay guy friends haven’t even done that. You’re delusional and assuming that all men are the same and seduced her the same. News flash: they didn’t. Not at all. That’s why chad is Chad, that’s why Casanova was Casanova, that’s why Don Juan was Don Juan. Women fuck based on merit. Isn’t funny how men want equality in the SMP when they’re the underprivileged ones, almost like... 😳
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 06:40 AM
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Approx. 23% of all men between 22-35 didn't have sex in the last year.source, which means that actually 77% of men did. Before reaching age 20, that is, during the teenage years, 77 percent of men had had sexual intercourse.source. So my 86% was off, I admit that, but 11% isn't THAT far off.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 07:49 AM
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You need to take some shrooms lol. Your entire personality is this heavy weight that is going to continuously bring you down socially.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 04:40 AM
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86% of men have lost their virginity by 24. 70% of men had sex in the last year alone. Women can’t be only fucking the top 20% considering these. Sure, the top 20% of men AND women get the most, but everyone else is clearly still getting something.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 04:31 AM
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That whole article is primarily about women resenting having to be the breadwinner AND do all the household chores. That’s likely the main impact on the happiness too. Regardless, these are all anecdotes. We see that divorce isn’t any more likely, so statistically the consensus is that these marriages aren’t any more fragile than any others.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 04:19 AM
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It used to point to women choosing to marry men wealthier than themselves, when women weren't financially able to manage themselves. It has never pointed to women getting wet by a man's money. "Resources" = beta, no matter how much you want to dress it up and argue otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 09:20 PM
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The had women rank the men with and without salaries. I meant hooking them up to machines and measuring their bodies' latent sexual response to the visual stimuli. JFC lol. It doesn't make women bad people. I don't care about your projected moralizing. I care about the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 09:07 PM
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That is literally the study. No, it's really not. It's really damn frustrating that you keep trying to make out that I haven't read it when it's clearly YOU who hasn't. It's either that or you're completely misguided on what the study actually tested. Here is the procedure from the study you shared: In the first visit, participants were given 21 female images/15 male images cards which were shuffled and in a random order, excluding income information. They were asked to rate rank the images from…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 08:49 PM
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I already gave you the evidence. That isn't evidence. What I imagine the study would need to be is measuring women's biological, sexual response to the photos of men with and without the salaries. People marry within their similar lifestyles does not disprove a theory on what they desire or prefer There is ample proof that men and women desire and prefer partners largely based on "unconscious" factors like phenotypes/genetics and hormones that complement their own. It's always been like that - t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 08:37 PM
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A woman sleeping with a homeless man doesn't disprove the idea that women have a positive bias towards wealth (disproportionate to men). Sure, but where is the proof that women do have a positive bias towards wealth? that certainly contributes to the reason why women are hypgeramous All the data shows that women (and men) are homogamous - they are most attracted to people who resemble themselves physically and who have similar lifestyles. This is similar to most animals too. That's the whole poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 08:05 PM
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The study asked women to rank the photos based on attractiveness. To me, that doesn't say anything about the men that they would actually fuck on a first date in real life. We all know women are pickier as sexuality is more of a risk / anxiety-inducing for them, so they use all possible data available to be more selective. I believe you'd get similar data if you asked women to rank photos of cars by their color and price.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 07:45 PM
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"Marry up" in what factor though? They aren't marrying up in education. They aren't marrying up in income. If women rate 80% of men as average, they can't be marrying up in physical attractiveness. Women also can't be marrying up in sociability, considering that they consistently score higher on this. What is left exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 07:40 PM
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Are you sure? Among marriages formed since the 1990s, wives with more education than their husbands are now no more likely to divorce than other couples (Schwartz and Han 2014). A similar trend is observed for couples in which women out-earn their husbands (Schwartz and Gonalons-Pons 2015).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 07:36 PM
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Maybe read the study again beyond the introduction... ? Descriptive results in Table 1 show that the percentage of couples in which the husband had more education than the wife declined from 24% in 1980 to 15% in 2008–2012, whereas the share of couples in which the wife had more education than the husband increased from 22% to 29% during the same period. 29% of women marry down. 56% of women marry men who are of the same education. 15% of women marry up. That is homogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 07:34 PM
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That study is the same as the problem with Tinder - if you ask a woman to judge attractiveness by a photo, they're going to choose the most photographic person. If you ask a woman to judge attractiveness by a photo paired with a salary, they're going to choose the most photographic person with the highest salary. This says little about who they are the most physically / sexually attracted to in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 07:19 PM
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That article links to the study in my OP. If you read the study in full, you find that it comes to a different conclusion, which I included the excerpt of. The IFS has completely misrepresented it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 09:13 AM
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Read the study. They discuss it themselves in the limitations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:36 AM
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That isn’t how natural selection works lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:33 AM
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It disproves it because it’s obviously changing and fairly rapidly, though you are right. If hypergamy was an innate biological instinct however, like TRP makes it out to be, this wouldn’t be the case at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 11:52 PM
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No? The gender pay gap and the gender earnings gap are two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 11:49 PM
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Can’t women turn around and say that men settle because they can’t get the types of women they see in porn? That study is basically the same as the one that I criticised in my OP. I don’t think you understand the method of it either, at least by you saying that it is “solid proof”. The study is an estimate of the fake men available who match certain characteristics. It doesn’t even make sense because it’s assuming that women that have similar traits will marry the exact same men; there is no pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 11:48 PM
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How can that be measured?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 11:37 PM
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I sorta knew this was going to happen.. like any post that is against hypergamy, it always ends up being a disagreement of the definition. I know I didn’t use TRPs definition of hypergamy, but I did state that I don’t believe even they agree on it between themselves, and that regardless, their definition can’t be truly measured or quantified. To your points though, I think it’s really difficult to say that women are sexually attracted to men’s wealth (if I’m correctly understanding you).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 11:25 PM
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You are right, I edited. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 11:09 PM
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The redpill definition of hypergamy is unfalsifiable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 11:08 PM
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the quatitative EGT models are easy to prove Where? I'm just curious btw. socially tournament species This is only a theory for humans too though right? We're clearly on a spectrum between pair-bond and tournament.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 11:00 PM
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This doesn't really make sense to me because women who marry at 30+ are the least likely to cheat and divorce of all women.. Also 90% of women filing the papers for divorce doesn't mean that it wasn't a mutual decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:52 PM
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Ok... and evolution? Where does that fall into this?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:44 PM
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https://repository.law.wisc.edu/api/law_fileserve/search?mediaID=11810
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:43 PM
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Hypergamy is frequently discussed here as the reason for lower marriage rates. This recent post re the "economically attractive" men is all about marriage and look at all the comments that mention hypergamy or allude to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:36 PM
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That sounds like a whole bunch of evopsych pseudoscience without anyway for anyone to prove it tbh. How can we be sure that "women replace obselete models for better ones"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:29 PM
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Since the beginning of what?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:22 PM
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You do realize that alimony is paid in less than 10% of divorces right...? And the number of women paying alimony has increased, supporting my OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:21 PM
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It hasn’t been proven for women. There is a study where men and women are asked their n-count while on a lie detector vs not. It was not statistically significant that women lied, only men did.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:59 AM
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Every case I’ve read shows that men saw the red flags and that there were problems in the relationship from the start. They knew she wasn’t the one and they married her anyway. My last post has a few painful examples even from PPD posters.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:49 AM
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Do you really believe that a woman would consider sex a chore with a man she is really attracted to? Yes, I do. Because sex/attraction can drop off for attractive Chad's too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 04:16 PM
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I don’t get how that’s an answer. From the article you shared: Interestingly, although women’s sexual desire declined over time, couples’ sexual frequency did not, suggesting that women were likely to engage in sex even when they did not desire it. So this is saying that they basically still have duty sex. That’s still not proof that the woman was any more affectionate or emotionally attached to the earlier men she had been with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 06:23 AM
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I could just as easily flip this and say the same for men in deadbedrooms. Have some compassion maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 10:34 PM
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You said women specifically though. Deadbedrooms has a lot of women who are rejected by their husbands. Is that because their husbands can't "pair bond" too?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 10:20 PM
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How do you honestly know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 10:12 PM
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whereas marriages are hard data The fact that women file the divorce papers doesn't mean that the decision wasn't mutual or wanted by the husband too though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 09:56 PM
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most relationships are terminated by women Most divorces are filed by women. Men terminate non-marital relationships just as much as what women do. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/08/150822154900.htm Briffault's Law This is a fake "law" invented by a surgeon who wasn't even trained in anthropology. It's been refuted by actual anthropologists and is actually kinda silly when you consider that matriarchal human societies were/are incredibly rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 09:15 PM
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Why do you think it is that women don't really care about a man's N count? Actually, as we become more egalitarian, women and men's preferences, even for chastity/n-count are becoming nearly the same as each other. https://www.scholars.northwestern.edu/en/publications/a-sociocultural-framework-for-understanding-partner-preferences-o
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 09:01 PM
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Hypergamy is at the lowest rates it has ever been so not sure why you think that.. ? https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/padr.12012
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 08:59 PM
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Why has Hypergamy decreased so much then?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 08:57 PM
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Virtually all people adapt their behaviors for social, financial, sexual etc success. I agree with you on this! I'm very confused as to why you can agree with this but also turn around and say that men adapting their behavior for women on a date is "jumping through hoops"... ? Is talking to your grandparents "jumping through hoops" because you act more respectful and polite than you would with your friends? Not that this matters, nor that this would be particularly rewarded in the context of dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 05:55 PM
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Because most men have soooo many options that they can just next and next and next. When they're on Tinder that's precisely what they can do. The only point of dating is to get your needs met. Sure, so long as you realize that women are trying to meet their own needs too. No, women are not magical mind readers. I didn't say women, I said people. And people can usually tell when someone isn't genuinely interested in them and is desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 03:15 PM
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I'm talking about dating apps. There's your problem. She's not into you. Move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 03:12 PM
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So sex with a stranger is worth more to you than your own self? Shows your integrity..
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 03:10 PM
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Where? Sorry, got the posters mixed up. The very existence of unattractive men is problematic for you women Omg you're being so dramatic lol. If you're so unattractive, why was she on a date with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 12:35 PM
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This is not emotional labour Why did you say "emotional labour" earlier? I get tired of trying to come up with one funny thing after another, and have her respond with "haha" "ok" "nice". She's not into you. Move on. These are same women who write "Must be able to hold a conversation" in their bios News flash: a lot of men aren't good conversationalists either. I personally feel like I carry conversations a lot too, as a woman. Maybe you could be a bit more curious about other people and stop da…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 11:49 AM
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wtf are you talking about? Why can’t the guy “be himself”? That’s the point of dating - to find people who like who you authentically are. If you’re presenting yourself as someone else, like an actor, to get every single person to like you, then it’s your own fault that you feel like you are entertaining. You are the only applying that pressure to yourself, not the woman. It sounds like have really low self-worth tbh. Also, can you please give an example of “emotional labour” you did for a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 06:14 AM
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It will be different in every country. And sure, no one is forcing men to get married, however, I doubt it’s going to fly with a lot of women. That’s something both vet for in dating too I hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 09:11 PM
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Those statements are all different to what I said.. I’m confused. Women have more social pressure to be married because women are essentially told that being a wife & mother is the highest value they can be as a woman. Single women in their 30s are seen as losers, cat ladies, winos, “crazy” - there is more stigma against single women, people assume something must be wrong with her “if she couldn’t find someone yet”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 09:06 PM
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What? It’s not just healthcare, there are a whole bunch of tax, financial, insurance, and legal benefits. Even your IRA etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 08:58 PM
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I think there is more social pressure on women to be in LTRs and get married. There is more stigma against single women IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 08:52 PM
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I agree that the story is likely fake, however I do believe enough men have ended up in deadbedroom marriages that it’s not totally outlandish.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 07:34 PM
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You said the sex stopped after she conceived but were there any signs before that at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 07:32 PM
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Completely unaware of what? That your SO should want to be affectionate and have sex with you? Not really buying that men don’t know that tbh. It just seems like they prefer the comfort of the relationship and overlook a less-than sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 07:11 PM
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What do you think makes things go right? What should men be doing / looking for? Or is it just the luck of the draw?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 05:12 PM
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Ufff 💔
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 04:40 PM
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I understand what you’re saying but I feel like you’ve missed my point. Why do men make a vow to women who they aren’t completely fulfilled with?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 03:33 PM
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The pedestal IS objectification. You don’t see the real her, you see a fantasy concocted by your brain. “Men are the rational sex” - are they?!! Also, your solution long-term will end up with men being so pussy-whipped by FDS on a global scale that y’all will be reminiscing on those cute feminists from the 90s who didn’t want to be cat called anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 03:28 PM
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I was going to add this as an edit, so you think it’s because they genuinely don’t have any other reference point for a partner? That’s sad too but makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 03:24 PM
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