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Field Reportrocksos/r/seduction20/07/26 11:09 AM
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Field Reportrocksos/r/seduction07/07/26 08:41 PM
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Outer Game rocksos/r/seduction15/08/26 11:24 PM
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Field Reportrocksos/r/seduction11/07/26 08:40 AM
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Field Reportrocksos/r/seduction28/07/26 05:27 PM
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If I learned some game and how to open I would be able to take these women out. you can open 'direct' and be like 'hey, I just saw you from over there and thought you looked cute so I wanted to say hi' like most PUA's use Or you can open 'indirect' and just make an observation on them, or use an 'opinion opener' (ask her opinion on something), or some PUA's even ask a random question like directions or if they've ever been to the coffee shop down teh road or whatever, to get a conversation start…
/r/seduction18/08/26 07:54 PM
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just approach on volume and hope to get lucky, really. Same as in any environment. i've been too Ibiza twice. I got lucky there when I went when I was very young, but when I went the 2nd time, the competition was wild with tonnes of roided out, fully tattood, good looking, loud British dudes flashing the cash. It changed a lot in 5-6 years.
/r/seduction18/08/26 03:16 PM
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true. Famous pickup coach Paul Janka kept a tonne of stats that he gave at seminars and in books etc, and They were broken down a few times, including by 'pickupartistmindset' (dating website). Anyway, his approach to lay ratio was said to be 1.5% 67 approaches to get 1 lay. This is a guy who dedicated a lot of his life to testing PUA stuff and he was also a pretty good looking dude, too! (so an average guy can't expect to do anything like as good as him) Cold approach will alwaays be a huge num…
/r/seduction18/08/26 12:22 PM
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Right now, I can do it only if they are keen from the start I can't make it happen with the you and everyone else on earth lol. if you watch infields, you'll see it's basically the same for the coaches. (a number of them actually released streaming infields this week which clearly demonstrates this). So don't stress that Good job. Just keep putting yourself out there
/r/seduction17/08/26 06:24 PM
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it's always 'getting lucky' to some extent. Cold appraoch is about Finding the girls who want you. Although, In this case, she found you! (as you see, girls do indeed approach despite what you hear on here) Good job
/r/seduction17/08/26 09:30 AM
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guess it depends on what age group you are going for. THe last girl insta rejected him because he was 'too old'. ALso he didn't even try for the 3 very young gilrs going to the concert who were the prettiest in the vid as maybe he knew they'd also reject him due to age. BUt still, at 35 you should still have a lot of options
/r/seduction17/08/26 07:58 AM
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when I think about all of the times I was successful picking up girls cold....nearly every time there was prior eye contact and or smile. I think all 'successes' when coaches and us approach are on strong 'yes girls'. They're the girls 'game' seems to work on. Everyone seems to notice this after a while
/r/seduction17/08/26 07:56 AM
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I think there’s probably a big distinction between “this woman will do extraordinary things for this particular man” and “this man possesses some extraordinary seduction knowledge.” People in love or deeply attached to their partners can do some pretty insane things for them, and that isn't exclusive to pimps/gang members or whatever. There’s also probably a huge selection effect going on where the type of women attracted to/involved with that lifestyle, their personalities/backgrounds, the envi…
/r/seduction16/08/26 10:09 PM
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The pimp example doesn't demonstrate some extraordinary psychological mastery The circumstances are doing a huge amount of the work. Where women are addicted, financially desperate, coerced, isolated and vulnerable, the man's ability to influence them can be dramatically different from his ability to persuade a healthy, independent woman to voluntarily hand over cash Even in genuinely voluntary cases, exploitation, dependency, opportunity and selection effects can explain a lot more than some se…
/r/seduction16/08/26 09:49 PM
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it's a huge huge numbers game, but surely everyone understands that nowadays. You are trying to find the girls who are single, sociable with strangers AND who think you are hot. Them girls are 'gameable'. The rest aren't So depeending on where you live and how you look etc, it could take you 1000 approaches or 5 approaches to get lucky
/r/seduction16/08/26 05:54 PM
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i more or less agree, but todd V and mystery are just as useless. Todd also chases women down the street and uses similar cringy tech. Mysteries few infields were painful and very UNimpressive! Nothing like the stud you tihnk he would be from his books lol
/r/seduction16/08/26 08:40 AM
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Not that I recommend it at all, but if you want to go that route, look for books (find them for free if you can) and vids from people like Nick Krauser, Tom Torerro, James Tusk
/r/seduction15/08/26 08:01 PM
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All of the guys who invented 'the london day game model' got like 95% of their success from approaching tourists in central London. Try that!! Way way easier. Way more Girls will actually be receptive. from watching youtube videos, it deffo feels like american girls are more receptive to cold approaches Of course. The culture is very different when it comes to socialising with strangers
/r/seduction15/08/26 05:05 PM
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He's in the UK I think he said. Even the old school coaches like Tom torerro etc seemed to only ever get success when tehy were hitting on toursists. the local girls in the UK are super hostile and don't talk to strangers like how US girls do. There's been quite a few vids about this from peoplelike keszia noble and even dating companies like love systems said the same thing. OP - Are you mainly running into local Brit girls? I bet your hit rate would go up a lot if you done what the london pick…
/r/seduction15/08/26 04:57 PM
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infields are surely better? (since 'most' are real. Of course there's lots of fake infeilds out there too) They all do things completely different which kind of proves that there's no right otr wrong way to game. We don't need to 'learn' anything since everything works kind of thing.
/r/seduction15/08/26 08:51 AM
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I'm not sure 'game' can be measured in that way. I mean, it's technically extremely easy to walk up too a girl, say hi, tell her you like her, try to get a chat going, and ask for her number. We see field reports on here (and infields online) of exactly this every day. Sometimes it works. More often she is not interested. It's more of a numbers game than a 'skill'. I'd say when you get to the point where you approach every hot girl you want without being very anxious is when you have cracked it.…
/r/seduction15/08/26 08:29 AM
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find good profiles. Use AI to exactly copy their pics and stuff but with your face
/r/seduction15/08/26 08:26 AM
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yes, I tihnk that's the way. IOI's increase your odds of an approach working by like 50x, but I say to just approach every pretty girl you see. You will know within like 10 seconds whether you are not her type /she isn't interetsed and so you can just move on then and wish her a good night. I always find it really obvious when they clearly aren't interested and know not to waste my time
/r/seduction14/08/26 11:08 PM
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Also - I don’t see What are three changes/improvements you’ll make tomorrow based on today’s results. He might have done everything perfectly today though and changing things would be bad. It's more about finding the girls who want you
/r/seduction14/08/26 08:50 PM
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i swear every 'success' i've ever seen on this sub (where someone talks about being a stud or whatever) is either location maxxing (passport bro etc) or looks maxing lol (or a blatant madeup story designed to drum up business for a 'dating coach')
/r/seduction12/08/26 06:17 AM
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watch vids by thatwasepic and bigdawsTV etc. Basically just go up, say hi, tell them you noticed them, ask what they are studying and where they're from etc, then try for the number of an instant date
/r/seduction12/08/26 06:15 AM
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it's definitely fantasy lol. You hear stuff on reddit of all places that neither you or anyone you've ever met has heard of happening. I even saw one dating coach here last week say he had a client who was an old man in a wheelchair who 'regualrly seduced hot 19 year olds' lol.
/r/seduction11/08/26 07:01 AM
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Good job. You didn't do anything 'wrong'. This is a numbers game. That approach could have worked amazingly well on the right girl (I actually saw some infield from stephen shapiro earlier and his game was the same. Just open, compliment, ask for number.)
/r/seduction10/08/26 10:26 AM
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He's not exactly a pin up, really. He doesn't have anything like as many women who are attracted to him vs Henry Cavil for example!! But He'll obviously never struggle because he's a famous movie star multi millionnaire! And due to his very masculine face, his lack of hair isn't a big deal. He pulls it off pretty good
/r/seduction08/08/26 03:05 PM
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How would a pro acted? the 'pro' would go into cold reads ("you look like you work in fashion?") and maybe make a 'tease' that also disqualifies her ("i'm not sure about you. You look like trouble"). Essentially Todd V stuff But I have to say, i've never noticed that stuff to help much in all honestly. LIke, it feels like if you're not her type that stuff doesn't work, and if you are her type, it's not really needed? You can just ask questions. What's your name, what are you up too etc. I think …
/r/seduction08/08/26 03:00 PM
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that would be like 0.01% lol. Pushpull/teasing etc has it's limits haha
/r/seduction08/08/26 12:28 PM
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but aren't men of all ages already going for the hot 18-19 year olds?
/r/seduction04/08/26 09:31 PM
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i'm very very good at flirting, tbh. But she needs to be attracted to you for it to 'work'. Simple stuff
/r/seduction03/08/26 09:18 AM
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it worked for him!
/r/seduction02/08/26 08:18 PM
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I'm very good at flirting, but it's rare that girls will flirt back lol. I tihnk flirting is maybe the easy bit
/r/seduction02/08/26 11:46 AM
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it only worked on women who already saw me atractive ( physically) I hate to say it but I tihnk that's just life. I've been testing lots of PUA theory from different coaches for a while now (wrote some FR's recently but stopped writing them but still going out 3-4x per week) and my experience is the same, no matter what game you employ.
/r/seduction02/08/26 07:57 AM
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I'm not all that current, I guess. I always thought that an 'incel' was a virgin, basically. But lots of women seem to think an 'incel' is just a man who hates women (presumably even if that man gets laid lots). But either way, I don't see how aknowledging what makes a man 'handsome' or admitting that of course a very good looking guy will tend to have a very easy time with women, makes someone an 'incel' or has 'incel beliefs'. Isn't that more 'commone sense'?! - I guess the definition of the w…
/r/seduction01/08/26 11:45 PM
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i'm not even sure what the argument is anymore. LIke, if a girl says 'good looking women attract men so easily' is she a 'female incel' and has 'incel beliefs'?
/r/seduction01/08/26 11:13 PM
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I had an acquaintance who's slept with hundreds of women because he's a stupidly handsome personal trainer. He's also 5'8 and skinny. Not a Chad? i'd call him a chad haha. Good looking guys crush it in my friend group (even if not that tall)
/r/seduction01/08/26 11:00 PM
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I think the point is that the demand is now so very low that the public ones don't even exist anymore.
/r/seduction31/07/26 09:31 PM
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probably trying 'natural game' next - kind of the opposite of what's in the books etc
/r/seduction31/07/26 01:29 PM
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Coach Kyle put in work to get so good looking. He's very blackpilled I guess. Tonnes of gym +trt, got a hair transplant and journalled it on one of his non pickup channels, covered from head to toe in tats, and even a small rhinoplasty apparently. Anyone can do that if they have the money Aaron from evoltionDaily too. He got a few surgeries too aswell as lots of tats
/r/seduction31/07/26 07:26 AM
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Saw a few vids today from coach kyle adn soemone else where they used that opener (i guess they still teach it) and it worked for them. I don't really think there's any rules tbh. Going forward after giving the models of a few coaches a good go now and implementing the game they teach, i'm going to try a mix of 'natural game' and also maybe waiting for choosing signals and see how that goes
/r/seduction29/07/26 10:05 PM
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if he has an exceptionally handsome face he's still good. I've seen this play out quite a lot amongst people I know (very good looking but not tall guys who do extremely well)
/r/seduction28/07/26 04:50 PM
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seen this question a few times, and the consensus seems to be that it doesn't matter (which i guess makes sense when you realise that the coaches/book writers are all split 50/50 too) I think they both work very well once you approach the girl who is interetsed in you
/r/seduction28/07/26 04:48 PM
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just be very forward and make it clear you want them adn find them hot. However, be aware that if you're not her type you won't get a good reaction, but you also won't tend to get slapped or anything lol
/r/seduction28/07/26 11:30 AM
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there's quite a lot (todd V, mystery etc) but so far none of it works in my testing lol. I'll keep testing other coaches stuff, though Annoyingly my friend coud've pulled a hot girl this weekend and it was just due to his looks which was upsetting because i've been desperately trying to convince myself that girls aren't visual and it stings when the oppposite happens in front of your eyes
/r/seduction28/07/26 11:28 AM
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The coach who goes up to a girl and pulls her is good-looking women aren't visual. Men are visual
/r/seduction24/07/26 09:27 PM
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I used to work in retail and it was FULL of super hot girls! Unfortauntely i'm not 6'4'' like you haha and I didn't get any luck, although I did try at least. So maybe that
/r/seduction24/07/26 04:08 PM
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Honestly, the biggest issue IMO is that you're using canned lines it's more the 'techniques' (game) I've written FR's without canned lines (my own lines to implement 'we frame' or a 'pushpull' etc) and it's the same replies I'll write one tomorrow as i'm out tonight, but going forward, it's best not to include any verbals or mention any techniques I applied. More like 'approached girl, she wasn't into it' etc. We'll see
/r/seduction24/07/26 01:41 PM
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I think he's saying that if you've read the mysterymethod you have the ability to get any and every girl you want, even if you are obese and smelly and covered in acne with crooked teeth since game is all that matters and you can use the negs and stuff to attract 100% of them no matter what you look like
/r/seduction24/07/26 08:43 AM
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I do it. I've written a number of FR's but i've realised that they're kind of pointless. People tend to just say 'stop doing all of that weird stuff and just be normal' (the 'weird' stuff is the stuff the books say to do and say lol). So you kind of can't win. I think people just want field reports where girls open you and hit on you
/r/seduction24/07/26 08:37 AM
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Because if it’s not “hard to get”, the story would’ve been over in episode 1 lol. this was exactly my thought too lol. TV isn't real life
/r/seduction22/07/26 05:29 PM
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A few people have said Max got approached more than any other instructor in his product that he sold (i'll watch it all tomorrow I tihnk) I guess it's because hes handsome (albeit short). I think he'd do way better and jeff and owen
/r/seduction22/07/26 04:01 PM
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but the lines were actually what he said to say in the PDF. (all the line are based off of different 'attraction building techniques' that he suggests to use. Same as Todd who has a section called 'use my lines' and says to use the lines like I did?) However, I am out tonight and will drop the game stuff and give it a go just being natural and fogetting about the 'techniques' as most of the replies say is the way to go thanks
/r/seduction22/07/26 03:54 PM
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so drop the actual 'game' part? That seems to be the advice most have given, but then if I post a field report with me not using techniques, people say 'of course she wasn't interested!! there was no 'game' techniques there to make her attracted' lol .
/r/seduction21/07/26 10:59 PM
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i'd never heard of him. Just checked out some of his infield. I wish he wasn't so tall and buff! Always makes it hard for me to convince myself that it's anything he's saying lol
/r/seduction21/07/26 07:23 PM
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I get the impression you're not American. Here's a tip none of the American material will work in Europe. that''s interesting. I've Never heard that before and never heard anyone here mention that. Maybe worthy of a thread
/r/seduction21/07/26 02:45 PM
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Thanks. Although i've used more recent stuff too (Todd V etc). Didn't have much luck and someone said that todd stuff is bad and that this was the best so i'm trying it out
/r/seduction20/07/26 11:57 AM
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it's all the same everywhere, tbh. The stuff on seddit is the same as you'll find on other seduction forums (sosuave etc) and youtube channels like todd valentine etc.
/r/seduction19/07/26 06:40 PM
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OK, so seemingly, there's classic game. The 'opening' will likely be an opinion opener and a false time constraint (hi, I can only stay 2 mins as I have to get back to my friends but I need your opinion...who lies more....men or women?) Then she talks back and gives you her answers. You ask why she thinks that. That might take up a min or two. Then you go into a story of some kind that makes you sound like a cool guy who all the girls want and who all the men look up too. There's examples out th…
/r/seduction19/07/26 05:55 PM
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I feel like in the olden day 'game' was more about stacking techniques' in order to , supposedly, make a girl attracted to you, which you can learn and implement very easily i.e So negs (you learn to memorised thinks like 'are them nails fake? Oh...shame', OR 'That's so funny, your nose wiggles when you speak' ETC) Cold reads (you learn/memorise saying things like 'Are you a lawyer? No? You seem like the type to argue just to prove you're right.") Qualification ("what do you have going for you o…
/r/seduction19/07/26 05:27 PM
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and have been in 10+ relationships in the past, most For some reason I read that as i "I've been in 10+ relationships in the past month" and I was like "why is this guy here" lol Don't really have any tips. I'd just say not to overthink it. I honestly think it's more of a game of chance than anything else. Take the pressure off.
/r/seduction19/07/26 09:33 AM
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isn't that more autism? (struggling with social cues etc) A lot of adhd people actually seem to do quite well with girls in my experience. On 'love island' a lot of them handsome dudes who crush it have Adhd. That russell brand adhd energy seems to be good at connecting with girls and not being boring and getting her emotions going a bit
/r/seduction18/07/26 10:03 PM
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I've tried to copy what he does But what 'does' he do? You say he never approaches girls so what did you try to copy him? I do'nt get it always without a job, drinks a lot and snorts coke like it's his full time job How does he afford lots of coke without a job? That shits expensive lol. Is he a trust fund kid or something? I never see him speak to women while out. I've seen his Tinder and he doesn't receive matches. My best guess is that the women either message him first out of the blue (unlik…
/r/seduction18/07/26 09:44 PM
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I really wouldn't call that a demoralizing/humiliating reaction. Man, i've had SO MANY where I felt so low as the girls would be super rude and spiteful. Like i'd comment 'hey, I like your jacket' or something, and then she just looks at me like i'm on fire and says 'yeah, go away. You're not my type don't talk to me' lol I'd actually not hate that reaction them girls gave,, and i'd play along with them. I'd be like 'mock offended' in a playful way and then be like 'Guys....i've got feelings you…
/r/seduction18/07/26 07:05 PM
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Additionally, it really helps if she finds you attractive to begin with. yes. I'd say it's more of a necessity.
/r/seduction18/07/26 05:57 PM
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Attraction material: qualification: "what do you have going for you other than your looks? Beauty is common" Negs (you already have them covered) DHV's - best friends test could be considered one by some people, but I guess you need DHV stories. So soon after the open you mention how you are a leader of men and preselected by girls
/r/seduction17/07/26 10:07 PM
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Women are not going to like a guy just because other women do. There has to be enough of an appeal there for them to begin with exactly!
/r/seduction17/07/26 09:07 PM
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"trouble" ?? In Todd Valentine vids his whole game is essentially calling girls trouble. He says it multiple times in each vid to girls. "you look like trouble", ''you seem like fun but I also get the feeling you might be trouble''. I've never had success with it, but since you seem to be very into the technical stuff/outer game stuff, try it
/r/seduction17/07/26 08:21 PM
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I think I kind of agree. Interestingly, pre-selection is kind of the only thing in game/PUA that I feel might have at least some power in terms of attraction (i'm pretty sure no other attraction material helps like teasing and puhspull and all the other main, apparent "attraction creating techniques") However, yeah, I also think that even if it works, it's really quite mild and not really enough to "tip the scales" as you put it. I saw a vid on youtube last week where the guy actually spoke at l…
/r/seduction17/07/26 03:18 PM
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get rid of the 'negs' and 'teasing' and 'pushpull' and 'cold reads' and all that stuff
/r/seduction17/07/26 12:56 PM
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you don't need to be good looking to bang a stunning hooker. YOu need £150 (or however much it costs where you live lol) Attraction doesn't come in too it
/r/seduction15/07/26 02:34 PM
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In all seriousness, you can always just pay for it. At least where i live it's legal and I assume it's not a big deal in most places? Guys mostly in this just really want to get have sex with lots of really hot girls. From what i've seen many don't even want a relationship So it makes sense to just get hookers to be quite honest lol. You can have sex with girls way younger and hotter than what you would likely get even if you were the master of 'game' (at least where i live there are model looki…
/r/seduction15/07/26 01:07 PM
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think it might have possibly been touched upon in one of the three of his books I read. He got it from Steve Jabba who Gambler said was the best there was. But worryingly, Jabba seemed to go quite blackpill himself as he aged (he lost his looks and then I gather his results plummeted) and then he went into sex tourism and selling sugar daddy game stuff. But I do like the idea, even if just to use it as an open. I don't feel lkie there's any actual 'power' there, but as I say, it can be a method …
/r/seduction14/07/26 09:06 PM
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I wouldn't waste your time with it tbh. But basically, Rather than relying on routines, DHV stories or lots of scripted material, the focus is on taking action. The basic structure is: cold approach, open simply (even just "Hey"), reach the "Hook Point" by getting Indicators of Interest, build rapport through normal conversation, create attraction using techniques such as "Push Pull," "Challenges," "Breaking Rapport," "Cold Reading", and then escalate physically ("Kino-Escalation") There are unf…
/r/seduction14/07/26 03:31 PM
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i'm not sure what you're so angry about but I couldn't care less whether you engage with me or not! Who do you think you are lol.
/r/seduction14/07/26 01:10 PM
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tried mysterymethod, then tried gambler and todd V. About to try someone new. Just looking for ideas
/r/seduction14/07/26 12:27 PM
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How do we know about date to lay conversion from infield? Or number to date? Or date to pull or pull to lay? Assuming the reference is to observations from infield footage: That when a coach approaches a woman who displays pronounced coldness from the very outset, the interaction rarely culminates in even a weak number close. More often, it results in what amounts to active disengagement, with her effectively disregarding him. Conversely, the instances that yield a number, an instant date, or (i…
/r/seduction14/07/26 09:10 AM
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Girl 6 is very responsive on texts
/r/seduction12/07/26 02:50 PM
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this has happened to me on more than one occasion. I've approached and gone home with a really pretty girl, and my friends are like "Rocksos, how did you do that?!! You must have elite level game!! What the hell did you say to her" when the reality is that i'd been rejected like 20 times that night, mostly by girls who weren't as pretty as the girl I pulled I do think the game is mostly down to luck/volume. I guess they call it 'getting lucky' for a reason.
/r/seduction09/07/26 07:59 PM
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glad you enjoyed
/r/seduction09/07/26 05:34 PM
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thx
/r/seduction09/07/26 05:34 PM
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thx
/r/seduction09/07/26 05:34 PM
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i've seen this. There are some that seem to do very well. There's a guy called 'steph' who is very popular with a tonne of fans etc. People seem to be favouring these 'rizz' guys over watching classic pickup artists (at least the few that remain like Todd valentine etc) - taking their audience But they seem to have chosen to get rid of all of the 'attraction material' (cold reads and breaking rapport which i guess it what is supposed to make a girl attracted if you believe the coaches). I guess …
/r/seduction09/07/26 03:51 PM
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So far in my testing, i've found it to be all the same. It's like they are into you or they aren't. I've had success with being super direct and i've had lots of rejections with it too With indirect, I've also had success, but it's been on girls who seemed very open to the approach. And when girls seem very cold and uninterested, i've yet to be able to turn that ship using the attraction material we are taught (pushpull, teasing, cold reads etc) It seems to be very split down the middle. Many to…
/r/seduction08/07/26 09:14 PM
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I think maybe there's some truth in it. Girls are very affected by a good looking guy exactly how we are by a good looking girl. I think sometimes if a guy is really good looking but looks serious, AND the girl is nervous (super attracted) to him because of how good looking he is, she will run away from him. It's a bit of a lethal cocktail Although if the girl is more confident AND the guy doesn't have that 'serious' "I know i'm God's gift" look to him, then she will maybe even open him. My brot…
/r/seduction08/07/26 09:05 PM
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yeah, it seems to basically be pushpull lines etc. That's the attraction part of 'game' apparently. Once she's attracted it's easy. (e.g when a girl approaches me and hits on me, i never do anything special at all and it still works out because i have attraction)
/r/seduction08/07/26 03:42 PM
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all you can really do is shoot your shot and hope they like you back, really. Hopefully there'll be some girls there who think you are cute and you can just ask them out and hook up with them
/r/seduction08/07/26 12:24 PM
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You can also do things the exact opposite of what mystery teaches and still be running perfect game, but it will be direct game instead of indirect game, which is quite cool (so you are very forward with your intent instead of hiding your intent)
/r/seduction07/07/26 08:23 PM
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what sort of things did he say to girls? like pushpull lines? ('you and me wouldn't get along, we'd always fight and i'd always win', and 'you look like trouble but kind of cute at the same time' like todd v?)
/r/seduction07/07/26 05:41 PM
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it seems to be more about cold approach. I've never ever seen an ugly guy crush it with cold approach. They always get rejected a tonne But I have seen some ugly guys who got into relationships with nice looking girls after playing the long game and they were friends for years etc But from a cold approach, you need to pass the looks test, otherwise the puhspull lines etc don't help
/r/seduction07/07/26 02:28 PM
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but as they say 'looks get your foot in the door', so in a way they are absolutely vital
/r/seduction07/07/26 12:33 PM
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For me its more binary. Attracted vs Not Attracted. It's the same for everyone. That's why teh concept of 'maybe girls' is a bit silly. She is either attracted or she's not. There's only yees girls (girls who like you and are 'gameable') and 'no girls' (girls who aren't at all attracted, and no amount of teasing and 'game' will cut any ice)
/r/seduction06/07/26 04:40 PM
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Thing is, Learning requires signal. Rejection without feedback is noise. All you really learn is that you weren't her type/THAT particular girl wasn't attracted to you. You can get laid with an approach and do an IDENTICAL approach on the next girl and get rejected hard, giving you all kinds of false signals. Or you can approach a gril and run perfect game with the most advanced pushpull lines, and she will hate you lol. Zero attraction there
/r/seduction06/07/26 04:37 PM
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go too a place where the women are very short
/r/seduction05/07/26 02:40 PM
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its like a tennis game, she gotta return the serve otherwise u cant play yes. There has to be some initial sexual interest on her part. She has to be 'gameable'
/r/seduction05/07/26 01:31 PM
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To 'create' attraction, technically you'd use game techniques like teasing, negs, and pushpull lines. Although tbh, in my experience it doesn't actually work like how the teachers say it does. I don't think the girls attraction is really in ones control - Mark Manson is the most recommended coach on seddit, and even he says you can't make a girl attracted But you can certainly flirt and give compliments and break rapport and stuff. It's just that she won't flirt back if she's not into you.
/r/seduction05/07/26 01:28 PM
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Height, jawline, V taper
/r/seduction03/07/26 07:49 AM
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Surely height, muscles, good jawline, nice eyes
/r/seduction02/07/26 09:02 PM
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yeah, i pretty much agree.
/r/seduction02/07/26 02:16 PM
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if you watch the professionals, the pattern seems to be very clear that there needs to be a good level of 'instant attraction'. That pattern is so clear in the infield footage I don't tihnk it matters much if one chooses to go direct or indirect. Both will do just fine assuming that attraction there. Both will fail it there's no attraction there
/r/seduction02/07/26 02:12 PM
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'models' is supposed ot be the main one recommended on this sub. Don't pay for it though. All books are free to download if you look around. Every book mentioned in this thread/sub can be found for free.
/r/seduction02/07/26 02:01 PM
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I don't know how people can say that, tbh lol. Have you never had a good looking friend?!!! Girls go weak at the knees for a handsome guy haha
/r/seduction02/07/26 01:58 PM
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Depends how thick skinned you are. If a rejection/girl ignoring you.being rude etc hurts you a lot, then just approaching any hot girl you see might not be the best bet as you will have a huge rejection rate. Only a TINY percentage of them girls (likely ones who are too shy to give you a choosing signal despite wanting too) will be receptive and so waiting for IOI's will be the most logical If you have thick skin, approach 'em all!
/r/seduction27/06/26 10:04 PM
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I find when you approach the girls who are actually very attracted, running out of things to say etc isn't really an issue because she is trying to 'game' you just as much as you her - taking up the conversational slack, filling in silences and pulling her weight kind of thing. It's when you approach the girls who just aren't attracted when conversation is like pulling teeth, because she is actively trying to end it by NOT pulling her weight at all lol
/r/seduction27/06/26 08:56 PM
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The practice of flirting is a lot less intentional and much more random nowadays. Just going and talking to girls with whatever you make up in your head instead of learning and practicing specific skills. flirting is the easy bit. The hard part is finding the girls who are attracted to you and thus receptive to your flirting lol
/r/seduction27/06/26 08:29 PM
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You will know how they look back at you how receptive they are this. It's all a huge numbers game to find the receptive girls. Thats all there is too it. Very easy stuff
/r/seduction27/06/26 08:24 PM
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Let’s do better to uplift our community you're right. You are the prize, OP!!! Your friend being handsome is irrelevant. Girls aren't visual and aren't aware or affected by good looks. I don't know why you mentioned it. Next time, you can get the girls who wrongly seem to like him by using the pushpull method! (google 'pushpull')
/r/seduction27/06/26 08:20 PM
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what on earth are you talking about lol. I was quoting the original poster as there seemed to be some confusion. Be quiet
/r/seduction27/06/26 07:23 PM
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"Let me guess, you're the troublemaker of your friend group." chatGPT pushes this sort of line hard too. So does Todd V on youtube. It's basically what is taught as 'game' in a nutshell. Burn the word 'trouble' in your brain to memorise it and use it as much as possible when describinng girls you are talking too, and you have mastered the game! ;)
/r/seduction27/06/26 06:51 PM
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If you want to be a bird-on-the-shoulder to see what makes your friend appealing to women, it can be a good way to learn. I think he already knows that. I was trying to talk to this girl, and then my super buff and handsome buddy took her/ went home with her The' 'super buff and handsome' part lol
/r/seduction27/06/26 06:46 PM
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same way you deal with having a friend who is 7ft who can dunk better than you at 5ft 3 lol. You just deal with it. It's not as though you can make a girl like you. You can flirt, but if you're not her type the flirting is unwanted and she won't flirt back
/r/seduction27/06/26 06:26 PM
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I mean, I doubt this is news to people. It seems very obvious to me that when it comes to cold approach, her attraction is based on how you look (and some girls might be attracted by height, others muscles, others a handsome face etc.) And then teh game part is about turning taht attraction into sex I'M sure if I was over 6ft and not short i'd do way way better than I ever could now, but it is what it is I don't believe any level of charisma can make a girl sexually attracted edit: I actually ha…
/r/seduction21/06/26 08:39 PM
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I doubt they are saying anything 'better' than anyone else to be honest. Just saying hi, maybe making an observation or stating some intent. There's only so many options. I guess what actually matters is if you are her type or not. I've gotten great results and brutal rejections with the same words. I think it's just about screening
/r/seduction20/06/26 03:36 PM
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soudns like she just wanted attention from men. I doubt she went home with either of them other guys. She got her validation fix
/r/seduction18/06/26 05:10 PM
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yes, I think anything can work tbh, assuming she is into you. I've had results before with just super boring opener and interview mode for example
/r/seduction07/06/26 05:16 PM
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yeah, I tried trolling girls and accusing them of checking their tinder when I saw them texting last night lol. One girl gave a good reaction. Most ignored. And one girl (super super hot) was quite rude lol
/r/seduction07/06/26 05:10 PM
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You want to be breaking rapport (not insulting them, but generating value in a way that shows you don’t need them). example?
/r/seduction07/06/26 04:48 PM
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I also wonder how normal this is and whether it's based on location, because I nearly always get a semi hostile reaction. 1 in a hundred i'll approach a girl who is friendly (but not into me sexually) and one in a thousand i'll approach a girl and she is both friendly and clearly interested. But in general, it's hostile reactions that are on a scale from just not really engaging in convo and purposely giving me nothing so that I leave, to outright telling me to go away after I say 'hi' I think i…
/r/seduction07/06/26 04:45 PM
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this is what I was thinking. I've literally been ignore or told to F off just from approaching with a smile and saying 'hi' to girls in bars lol
/r/seduction04/06/26 07:56 PM
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Show me a photo of a person with a double chin and a clear six-pack. isn't that what they used to say about 'the situation' from 'jersey shore'? (6 pack with a double chin) edit: Either way, it is actually possible, but it's not that common. If someone has recessed jaws, then they can definitely have a double chin whilst having a great 6 pack and being super lean. Look at double jaw surgery transformations and you'll see what I mean (assuming you're not already aware of this issue)
/r/seduction04/06/26 07:45 PM
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I must admit, it really does seem so much more random than i'd ever realised. I've done everything 'wrong' and gotten success, and i've literally used every line Todd V says to use for each stage of an intereaction and the giirls have hated me lol. I truly think the game is about screening and finding the girls who want you
/r/seduction04/06/26 07:35 PM
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i know i've got more chance of winning the lottery than this actually working, but just in case, what is a good one to buy to make girls attracted to you. I'll buy it and go out and see if it works or not and report back
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