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She's right to feel like he's treating her unfairly. He is. He has the right to apply whatever standard he wants. Guys have a right to get pissed that a woman who fucked the whole hockey team at a party make them wait till date 10 to have a BJ. That woman has the right to fuck whoever she wants, when she wants. The world is an unfair place.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 01:45 AM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2wqsar/blue_pillers_why_is_the_trp_strategy_on_lmrs_wrong/coungla
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 01:43 AM
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If you repeatedly ask her because you genuinely want to know if she want's sex, that's fine. If you repeatedly ask her with the intention of wearing her down, that's coercion. Similarly, if you leave because she asked you to and you're respecting her choice, that's fine. If you leave with the intention of making her feel like she has to offer sex or else you're gone, that's coercive. I understand what you mean sort of, but the problem is that this basically boils down to shaming any kind of male…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 01:38 AM
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Because sadly when you give sex too early the man often loses respect for the woman and leaves. I only bail on a woman after she puts out if she made it clear that she thought of sex as something to hold power over me with before she put out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 08:27 PM
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Nobody is entitled to anything, nobody deserves anything. Complaints about not getting what they 'deserve' are often made by women who focus on their career above their appearance and men who focus on being amicable above being sexy. These complaints stem from falsely believing in the just world fallacy. "I'm smart, interesting and successful. I should be getting more attention then daisy dumbtits who is hot and young <in a just world>" "I'm nice, polite, caring, and want a relationship. I shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 06:30 PM
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I agree, but, you know, whatever ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 06:26 PM
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applies pressure either directly (asking, nagging, touching, etc) or indirectly (going cold, leaving, stopping conversation, etc) So, in summary, either asking for consent or withdrawing and respecting the no and giving space are BOTH coercion. If a girl says no there are three things I can do. a) Rape her. b) Continue asking for consent. c) Respect the no and leave. You're really going to tell me that b) and c) are coercive? Fuck that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 06:23 PM
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That's exactly what is advocated. http://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/2c35vb/how_to_get_over_lmr/ She shows LMR, play CoD, get up to leave, offer to take her home, etc. Basically initiate a soft next. Usually if she wants you she'll reinitiate or play it off like she was joking or something. Play it off. Basically agree and amplify. This is kind of like acting cool after tripping over your own feet. Agree and amplify. ("You're right. I usually don't move this fast. I usually wait until date …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 06:21 PM
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That's exactly the opposite of what LMR resistance techniques are though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 06:05 PM
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In your post you misuse terminology a little bit. LMR is "Last minute resistance." It's what some women do as a way of testing to see how much power they have or as a way of trying to see how you'll react to being denied or as a way to protect their egos from responsibility. LMR isn't pressuring someone into sex, because LMR isn't something that the RP guy DOES, it's something that the woman does that must be responded to. Now, one RESPONSE to LMR might be to pressure someone into sex, but that …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 06:04 PM
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f a girl says no at all in a scenario where you are becoming intimate, any self respecting man is going to let that be and back off because most men want an enthusiastic yes and a partner that is more than willing to do the deed with them. If you have to coerce or cajole a woman into sleeping with you, can you honestly not see why that is not true consent? Thats exactly what you are supposed to DO with LMR though. That's what RP SAYS to do. The "strategy" to handle LMR is to back the fuck off an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 05:59 PM
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This comes up literally all the time and I have no idea where this misconception about what dread game actually is comes from. http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2vzm2k/dreadgame/comgpe1
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 02:58 PM
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I'd comment that being unsubtly demanding like that isn't exactly what good game is. Every time I hear women talk about game they don't respond to it's examples of laughably bad stuff. If it's in person I laugh about how pathetic those guys are for being try-hards, then apply outcome independence and cocky-funny like crazy until she takes my hand and drags me to her bedroom for being "not like all the other guys"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 02:55 PM
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I feel like the tone of that blog post made it somewhat clear he was being satirical to make a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 02:50 PM
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She wasn't raped but he's basically the ultimate in beta bux. He traded her his resources (a room) for sex. He did so knowing that she was desperate and homeless and scared. When she didn't really want him he guilted her into it and threatened to not pay her BB. She was a literal hooker, he was beta as fuck holding a room over her head, and she was obligation starfishing like women do for betas. The worst part was this was all his idea: he didn't come on to her like he was attractive, she didn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 09:33 PM
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Edited thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 05:06 PM
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Where is your definition coming from because that's a crazy definition that doesn't match any of the definitions I've ever seen. It's certainly not what I would call dread game. It's fairly manipulative and really feels like a strawman definition of the term. Here's the definition here from the original source: http://therationalmale.com/tag/competition-anxiety/ Although I’ve suggested casually returning flirtations with other women as a means to amplifying desire and illustrating social proof, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 10:05 PM
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unreasonable to just expect any kind of real relationship to come from that IMO. Sure, just like going on a single date it's unreasonable to expect sex from a girl. But if a girl goes out with you and makes suggestive comments without telling you she's intending to not put out ever, then she's being dishonest with her intentions on purpose in order to get something out of you. If someone's just looking for ONS it probably doesn't. It only really matters to those who are looking for more. Right, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 01:24 AM
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24, then 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 04:37 PM
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why do it in the first place? Because there's no better way to get your wife to fuck you then for her to know that if she doesn't you'll go fuck christine mc-ninteen-year-old-sugartits, and she won't be able to say anything about it because she's been fucking chad thundercock every couple of weeks. In less crude terms: The reason is that I sincerely believe in the ideals of consent and capitalism. Capitalism allows us to not view our relationships with other humans as things we are trapped in, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 03:56 PM
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First, if you are only looking for ONS with other girls, why would you as a poly guy feel the need to tell those girls you are poly? So when they get back to my place, how do I explain the drawers full of bras? On a more serious note, I'm not necessarily looking for just a ONS. ONS sex is shitty and bad most of the time, and the amount of work to game a new girl is exhausting. I'd MUCH rather have consistent plates and longer term relationships. Sex gets better over time, I can spend time with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 03:32 PM
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What does he have to gain from this? In his head he pictured threesomes and occasional swinging or waking up between his wife and his girlfriend and one gives him a Beej while the other makes breakfast. He keeps holding out for this because it makes sense that it should at least be plausible in a just world Is this the normal starting point for "poly" relationships? Yes unless you are already AF in your relationship before it opens. Then the dynamic is closer to "I can leave at a moments notice …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 03:06 PM
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Hypergamy is simply "trading up" and trying to get "the best." Doesn't everybody do that? Who doesn't do that? Yep, everyone does this. It's awesome. RPers who whine about it are just renters who don't like it when their landlord raises the rent because of increasing market value of the property.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 09:29 AM
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we don't date and fuck people based on logical reasons. news flash: we don't buy stuff or make choices based on logical reasons either.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 09:29 AM
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Hur Hur really funny. in all seriousness though it's pretty shitty that this dude obviously got obligation sex out of exploiting her weakness. Not worth it and gross. He deserved to lose his money.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 09:28 AM
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I think that intellectually honest feminists would say "Treat women like people" not "Treat women with respect". Treating women with respect is assigning and re-enforcing harmful pedestalization that is at the root of the patriarchy. Furthermore, nobody likes to be pedestalized, it's super uncomfortable and demeaning to the person doing it, especially if you know or believe you didn't deserve it. A better thing to do is to convince men to treat women exactly like the treat men This has the side …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 09:25 AM
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He knows why. If I were him I'd still get some head from her though, just sayin. And this is why insecure pretty girls have beta orbiters.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 09:19 AM
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As a RP feminist, they are BOTH right. If you are a decent man, nothing will happen. The just world fallacy is a fallacy. You should be a decent man (which includes many if not all feminist principles) because part of you respecting yourself probably includes it and becuase it is the morally right thing to do to not intentionally cause harm. Additionally, if you want to have sex, and are not, it's usually for reasons unconnected to what you deserve. This is because nobody deserves anything, enti…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 09:18 AM
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As a poly RP man, I think I have a unique perspective on this. The first is that I totally agree in theory. RP is a capitalist consent-based approach to dating philosophy, and so is the essence of poly. Both approaches are about the idea that you should earn your place in someone's life and someone else should earn their place in yours and that all transactions are replacable at a moments notice. All good things. In this way it also means you get to satisfy all your needs. If your partner is not…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 08:59 AM
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We want to support them like they support us it is a part of the relationship I have to endure. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 08:18 AM
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I don't know about her as an overall opinion, but I agree with her opinion regarding marriage. Marriage in its current form or as an official function of government deserves to crumble.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 05:30 PM
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Have you never relied on a woman for support before? Men should display their emotions to their partners so that they can support them. We want to support them like they support us Just being there for him I guess. And yeah I've cried in his arms. Crying is such a turn off. That doesn't mean I'm attracted to a crying baby. You have GOT to be a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 05:23 PM
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Aaaaand here's where you lost credibility. I agree with you that people should be able to wear whatever they want and not become victims. No, it's not her fault she got raped. Women should be able to wear whatever they want and NOT be raped. Likewise, I should be able to wear and do WHATEVER I WANT and not get mugged. Telling me I'm 'asking for it' when I get mugged for not being careful is just as much victim blaming as it is to say a woman is 'asking for it' when getting raped. It's literally …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 01:36 AM
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It's not all about lifting eating better and dressing better, however. It's about treating women like (equally flawed) men, not taking crap from potential partners, not engaging in nagging or demanding behavior, and a host of other things that are not covered at ALL by other sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 06:54 AM
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I believe that women and men should be equal in every meaningful legal, civil, and social sense, and that the social structures and gender norms that both genders enforce on each other, along with the success of the sexual liberation movement, leads to a sexual marketplace similar to what RP describes, with optimum individual behaviors within that marketplace for both genders following what RP proscribes, and that this is a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 06:52 AM
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I'm not saying men are obligated to be attracted to overweight women. Just questioning the shaming. For what it's worth I've NEVER seen men shame fat women for being fat, I've only ever seen women do that. I've only ever seen men shame fat women for being entitled, which is basically what women do to nerdy guys so...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 06:19 PM
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Not female
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 04:23 PM
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My thoughts are that TRP has become too much of a support group for beta males. There is great philosophy and advice on here, but I think that in particular certain users use TRP as a male version of a hamstering / hive mind which we despise in women. YES
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 11:26 PM
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I take it seriously. That sub is a little bit too /r/circlejerk for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 08:12 AM
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Different, because there are women I would sleep with but not actually trust further then I could throw them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 05:42 AM
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It's no different. I'm a RP feminist and I'm not a virgin, neckbeard, or butch lesbian (although I don't shave my legs)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 05:42 AM
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Didn't even watch the video but he sounds gross and hilarious. "Women are certainly not capable of being humans." What does this even mean? Are they lizard people? "If we leave women to their own devices...they commit extinction via the act of driving away men." Ugh. So? Also, 1 guy and 20 women are enough to repopulate the earth so I guess that 80/20 thing isnt' that big of a deal huh. "They speak Man's language. They understand Man's logic. They can understand those things but they cannot be t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 05:41 AM
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I think they can, but I think they shouldn't. But I think I have a different definition. If women go to college and get degrees and get jobs, it's not "at the expense of men," it's equality. Women have a right to pursue careers too. I completely agree with you. For what it's worth, I also believe that men who enjoy traditional relationships is not at the "expense of women" provided those relationships are consensually entered by all parties. So the statement "Women are not responsible for men wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 11:32 PM
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First, nothing about my hypothetical said implied that men were doing anything at the expense of women. I just said there's a man who was dominant, a woman couldn't handle it, and left and committed suicide. If he didn't abuse her explicitly then he didn't do anything wrong, he just laid out the kind of relationship he wanted that would make him happy and she said she didn't accept it and left, then committed suicide. How is what he did wrong? The literal understanding of what he said/did is tec…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 10:36 PM
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Yeah I'm not downvoting anything, that's not how I roll. If other people are that sucks, sorry brah. I don't think you deserve downvotes and downvoting outside the thread is bullshit and against reddiquite However, I can think of a reply: I intentionally chose the wording I used in my hypothetical very carefully, exactly to show you what I'm talking about. You are right that posting about being dominant is awesome in a domestic abuse thread is absolutely implying that being dominant is domestic …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 10:21 PM
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Men being breadwinners/dominant is domestic abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 08:46 PM
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Why are you so opposed to feminism. As I understand it, feminism is about equality. It's about giving women equal rights, access to education, ability to live independent of men, and pursue their own education and careers. Why is any of that 'wrong'? None of that is wrong, but I'm a feminist so... I got banned from your sub for stating that it's not my fault if some men commit suicide because they can't handle working women and I stand by that. Why is that opinion ban worthy? Even if it's techni…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 08:28 PM
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I think that the narrative coming out of most post-anger-phase RPers is that "Women are shit. Men are shit. Everyone is shit, including women." Many RPers happen to believe that the ways men are shit is easier to deal with or more respectable than the ways women are shit, but they admit that "Women are people: they lie, steal, and are tempted to cheat with hotties if they can get away with it"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 08:21 PM
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I completely agree with you that both "Real men like fat people" and "Women never want to fuck nice guys pout" are attempts to control people's preferences and autonomy via shaming. In both cases, it won't ever work, and wastes everyone's time. It's slightly irritating that both sides don't see how shaming and manipulative these messages are, but whatever, I don't exactly expect reason and empathy coming out of facebook.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 08:17 PM
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Yep. http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2853
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 01:49 PM
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Red Pillers believe in evo-psych, particularly "Women are genetically programmed to want X and do Y" Blue Pillers believe that people say what they mean, particularly "Women know what they want and respond positively to the things verbally express that they want" Both ideas are hilariously bankrupt.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:20 PM
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but the couple is being a bully to one of my family members, calling her every name in the book on a daily/weekly basis. I find it interesting that this duo can dish it out but can't take it in. Why do you care? It sounds like a huge fucking waste of your valuable time. If the name calling is being done online, have your 'family member' block them. If it's in person, contact them once, tell them to stop or you'll do X (where X is 'call the cops, beat them up, call an employer/relative, whatever …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:16 PM
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So Alfie's best friend loses his gf because he won't commit. This right here is the least realistic part of this movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:08 PM
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This is absolutely the wrong way to look at this. SMV is not an objective measure. You are indian. I don't know if you are hindu or not. However, the 'market value' of a kobe beef steak is about $80. However, would YOU pay $80 for a kobe beef steak? If you are hindu, you ABSOLUTELY would not. Do not listen to strangers advice about what makes a woman high value, any more than you would listen to strangers advice about what makes your lunch high value: people have different tastes and you marryin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:02 PM
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Being disappointed by rejection and feeling frustration that nobody wants what you are offering doesn't imply expectation or entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 02:51 PM
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Yep. This is right.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 02:50 PM
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I think the problem with your definition is that "effort" doesn't buy you anything. I can put a TON of effort into making delicious pies but if I suck at cooking it doesn't matter how much effort went in, no one will buy them. That's too goddamn bad for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 02:49 PM
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1) No 2) Questionable. You're kind of a terrible person. It's obvious that you are ignoring her conditions for sex but on the other hand it's not your fault per se. 3) Not rape 4) Not rape, but if you do revenge porn that should be a crime of some kind and is highly immoral. 5) What? 6) Not rape. "Consent can be withdrawn at any time" This includes consent to a relationship. 7) I mean, that one would absolutely be rape if you had no pre-existing relationship, but obviously there's sort of a 'sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 02:46 PM
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However, don't red pillers want a quiet, housewifey girl with an education? I mean isn't that the goal? Since you all dislike 'sluts' and party girls so much? I've never understood that really. I think sluts and party girls are great. If so, why use behaviors that select specifically for a girl you dislike? But this is the part I disagree with. Dominant, outcome-independent, playful teasing, amused mastery, etc etc don't just select for party sluts. In fact, almost the opposite is true. I date L…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 08:40 PM
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I feel like this is likely a troll
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 07:56 PM
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I'm not a libertarian at all, and I basically do agree with that view you brought up, that capitalism (ofc in its unrestrained form) = amoral nihilistic Darwinism. It's neither amoral nor nihilistic. It's not amoral because consent is the highest moral. Individual autonomy being respected is probably the highest moral value one can point to. It's not nihilistic either: Efficiency and people being able to work together to attain the things they want are absolutely important and worth something. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 07:52 PM
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, its that my sexual activities may be used to harm or insult me, or justify the poor behaviour of others ("asking for it"). It is also that being a slut tends to be an arbitrary and relative lable that someone gets stuck wirh- and also that it re-enforces an inherently noxious attitude- that sex is dirty, contaminated, etc. Absolutely. I'd like to point out that I don't really understand the RP obsession with sluts. Their whole argument about sluts is that they aren't good quality long-term wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 05:52 PM
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(Part 2) If you have a car and your friend does not that automatically makes you into a seller on the "Rides to places market", because your friend probably wants rides, you can give them, and in order for that to happen or not requires both parties to reach consent. and that B) Women SHOULD use that power to get what they want, then doesn't feminism, which is moral, as opposed to amoral/nihilist, fall apart? I don't think it falls apart at all. If you take this laissez-faire view of the world, …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 05:46 PM
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I'm interested to hear your opinions on some things then, especially given how you have a "red pill feminist" flair (given that that's not a joke). It's not a joke. I sometimes see self-proposed feminists, especially in the UK, having this hard-line social Darwinist philosophy (if I'm using that right). I prefer to call it capitalism, but the same accusation is levied against capitialism. One feminst author in my home country once wrote this short piece in the newspaper in response to a "should …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 05:46 PM
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What's the feminist endgame in your opinion? What's the endgame of the homosexual agenda? Seriously that's how stupid this sounds. How do you think the sexual marketplace will change when feminists finally have everything they want? It won't significantly change from what it is now except it will probably be even more cutthroat. This is a good thing. How do you believe future generations of men will adapt to a feminine world? Now that gay marriage is legal in a majority of states, how do you thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 04:56 AM
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I don't have any kind of hard science data to back it up, but it's been my anecdotal experience on the dating scene. Dated lots of women and observed lots of my friends dating women. Women literally only like me when I do this shit, and it's as predictable as clockwork, and it works on easily 9/10 or more of the women I date. I'm willing to accept the idea that it's an age bias (maybe I'm dating young/immature women) or a selection bias (maybe I'm only attracted subconsciously to horrible people…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 04:53 AM
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this. certain red pill tactics work on certain women, but these type of women are not the kind a sane person would want to have anything to do with. The problem is that "That kind of woman" is statistically like 95% of them, so if you decide that a sane person wants nothing to do with them that’s just going MGTOW, which many people do. Alternately you can date but only look for the 5% but thats just laughable, or you can date and be a douchebag.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 10:07 PM
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Yep. The main reason I'm done with women like her is that after passing her shit tests and DHVing her like crazy she actually was really sweet and fun to be around and I enjoyed my time with her, so I started lighting up and being more trusting and fun and less of a dick because I actually liked her and wanted to be myself with her. Of course, this lead to her flaking/ignoring me/insulting me all the time, which I didn't react to with vitriol because I actually kind of liked her when she wasn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 09:48 PM
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Were you being an actual dick? Or were you being playful? Depends on how you look at it I guess. It's also contextual. I've gotten laid more than once by openly ignoring a woman talking to me until she gets right in my face, then telling her to come back with a drink for me then leave because the "adults are talking" while making dismissive motions. That's not playful that's being a condescending ass that would get me beat up if I did it to a man. In one instance of this, she responded by ignori…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 06:02 PM
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RP Men, do you think that certain "nice guys" underestimated the importance of "appearance" and "presence" and used "being nice" as the "bad guy" because it's easier to blame women than it is to "lift" or "groom" or care about style and how you look? Yes. There's a bit more to it, because being openly a dick is ACTUALLY attractive to many women. I've done it, seen it, used it. I don't anymore because I don't want to bother having relationships with that kind of woman anymore, but that's the trut…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 05:29 PM
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I can't change your view because you're right. Friendzoning implies the female intentionally accepting positive attention from orbiters while realizing it's on the pretense of a possible physical relationship, but I think it is more common that the female doesn't know because beta orbiters often don't ever say anything explicit about their feelings, and many girls see the positive attention as "he's just a sweet guy" That's bullshit however, I've known women who do this, they absolutely know.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 06:05 AM
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Traditionalist cultural values were never really "collectivist" in the sense of forcing collectivization of property as in the USSR. They were social codes that people voluntarily adhered to. Except that if you did not or do not adhere to them you faced social stigma, economic hardship, violence, imprisonment, or sometimes death....so...no. I'm all for voluntary consentual adherence to any kind of traditional relationship you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 06:44 PM
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Corollary: if food preference is not hardcoded in humans, and we agreed that mating and social behavior must be less hardcoded than food preference, then it follows that mating and social behavior is largey cultural. The default explanation for an observed behavior should be culture, not biology, unless strong evidence shows otherwise. I agree. So what? It doesn't change anything about TRP or it's recommendations for behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 06:42 PM
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You haven't answered the oldest teenager in the house question though. Two answers to both of these questions. The first answer is that sometimes in-groups use hyperbole to make points and solidify in-group identity. That sometimes groups express anger and discrimination because they are human. For example, many feminist meet up groups say things like "All men are rapists". This is, of course, not a feminist idea (it's blatantly sexist) but it's oft repeated. Tumblr is notorious for this. The se…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 06:40 PM
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It all depends on whether you view individual agency as more important than social welfare. I generally don't, at least not as some kind of ideological rule. And I do, and I think that individual rights ARE an absolute moral value, and I'm not a socialist, because I think tyranny is disastrous and collectivist policies create incredible hardship on a regular basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 04:17 AM
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And they are commies who fear competition
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 12:32 AM
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Why would I watch this crap?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 11:57 PM
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BRB going against my own incentives because of some leftists arbitrary moral value system. And this is the part that pisses me off about both pills. It IS the right thing to do, because preferential agency and consent are inherently morally right. However, this shit cuts both ways, including guys not having to want fat women and preferring women who aren't horrible cunts to men for ideological reasons. However, RP guy, what you don't seem to understand is that it's not just some leftist arbitrar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 11:52 PM
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Were you raised in a traditional family? No/Yes. I was raised by only my mother until I was 11, then she got remarried and I had the traditional nuclear family. What are your views on the role/importance of feminism in western society compared with for instance Muslim societies or Christian Societies in the third world? I think that (certain branches of) feminism is the gender related variant of classical liberalism. This naturally fosters better in western societies than in other cultures or ec…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 06:53 PM
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Feminism says that women should have the freedom to choose the lifestyles they desire, free from shame. For example, if a woman wants to have a career, she should be allowed to do so without judgement for making that decision. If a woman does not want to have a career but chooses to be a homemaker, she is also empowered to do so free from judgement. It is a similar argument here. Feminism is about consent and the removal of artificial moral judgements from on high. This means that if two people …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 06:41 PM
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Feminism's view is that if a woman "consents" to an unequal relationship dynamic with the man as head of the household this simply implies she has internalised misogyny and is being coerced, whether she realises it or not. This is not all of feminisim. This is a particular sort of third wave feminism that most feminist authors would reject. As a matter of fact, as a feminist, this shit fucking offends me, because it implies that stated consent is irrelevant, that individual preferences are irrel…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 06:38 PM
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Do you have any other places other than RPW that you browse to get more insight? In my opinion, RPW is like the dumb cheerleader. Unfortunately, as I am not a woman, I don't really post at, or even lurk at, RPW. I glanced at it a couple of times but found it difficult to relate to or participate in. More power to them, however. Do you have any other places other than RPW that you browse to get more insight? My post history is extensive and I like to answer questions about it. I mostly talk here …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 10:17 AM
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Pretty much all of TRP can be justified from a feminist perspective and vice-versa. I find most of the places where there is disagreement between the two to either be artificial or stemming from crazy or bigoted people within each community.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 10:09 AM
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I have a couple links in my post history somewhere that explain it, but basically TRP and traditional feminism advocate basically the same things but from a different consequential perspective and a different linguistical model...but they really are pretty much exactly the same. Both aim to create a sexual marketplace based on relationship capitalism and individual preference. Both advocate the dissolution of entitlement behaviors and the destruction of traditional family life. The main differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 09:56 AM
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What about Red-Pillers who identify as feminists? ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 08:35 AM
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I find it intriguing, plausible, and really irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 08:34 AM
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Thanks for the source! It's interesting! I would wonder how the numbers are effected by social stigma...like if they are inflated because people report not being virgins out of shame. However, that is unknowable so I guess I won't wonder too hard. Thank you for revising your statement as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:25 AM
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Honestly I don't even doubt those numbers because I don't have corresponding statistics to back it up. However, I'd like to point out that this statistic: " by age 23 more than 90% have had sex [1]" isn't actually supported by any of the data in your source link, which I read through in great detail. The closest it comes is the claim that "y age 18, most men and women have had sexual intercourse. By age 23, more than 90 percent are sexually experienced. " which is on page 54, but that's not inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 10:28 PM
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YEP
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 09:49 PM
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YEP
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 09:49 PM
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I don't theoretically have a problem dating a transwoman. I've just never met a transwoman who I've been attracted to enough to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 09:09 PM
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From a statisticians point of view, the odds aren't worth it. Maybe to you. You are discounting the fact that the game is much, much more complicated than that and has a very high chance of winning as a result. Suppose you spin this 'sociopath roulette wheel' and you get a loser sociopath, 1/25th of the time. Guess what? YOU NEXT THEM and play again! Fuck yes I'd play a roulette game with a 24/25 chance of winning if the reward was fun sex/relationships/people and the penalty for losing was effe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 09:08 PM
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I think there shouldn't be a need for gender-based education.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 09:05 PM
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“Hot girls” are not another species of human completely devoid of insecurities and other human emotions. Putting a “hot girl” down because you think she must get complimented all the time, acting aloof and uninterested to attract attention, and being rude or mean because you assume she’s catered to will NOT work. She will assume you’re uninterested because she’s a human being who responds normally to social cues. And if you’re rude and aloof, she’ll just think you’re rude and aloof and not attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 09:03 PM
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Man I don't care about any of this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 08:54 PM
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I'm betting most of the female stars of these juicy little videos had it coming. Liars, cheaters, divorce rapists. They should be thankful they got off this light. Justice is a lie perpetuated by the weak. It benefits no-one. It's an attempt to inflict a false notion of karma on the world. It is sub-optimal. Revenge is your abusers continuing to exert power over your will and your mind. Only those who are still obsessed need revenge. If you are free from the control of others then you do not thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 08:52 PM
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Late 20s. Respectfully, but are you a woman? I've noticed that women are usually completely unaware that most men exist, especially nerdy virgin betas. It's like they are simply invisible. The women in my social circle were equally flabbergasted when I pointed my observation of %50 virgins out to them and told me to give the names because they said they didn't know any male virgins. When I listed the names of the people I was thinking of (which again, amounted to %50 of the population of our soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 08:43 PM
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Never met a virgin woman who wasn't a virgin by choice. In contrast, about %50 of men I know are virgins and not by choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 05:06 PM
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And thats kinda the thing actually. There's NO way to have a conversation about needs that isn't intrinsically manipulative or demanding. NONE. If you doubt it, go ahead and try me. Pretend I'm a partner who has been ignoring and rejecting your sexual advances. It's been 2 months now. How would you have a conversation about it? What would you say?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 05:05 PM
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I honestly don't expect to find a woman that gives a fuck about me, if I did you are damn shitting right that I would burn the world down to land her. My goals are to make sure that I give a fuck about myself, fuck what women think they give a shit about. This is your biggest problem. Maybe you do, maybe you don't, but being alone is better than being abused jesus. if it doesn't get me something I want I am not spending 2 seconds on it. Ok? What you should want is to be free. Why don't I leave? …
/r/askTRP26/01/15 05:01 PM
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Sure. No blame involved. See also amicably. The problem with the idea that 'well yeah sorry I can't make you happy but if you don't like it you can leave no harm no foul' is that if when you try to leave they force you to stay by taking your money or your livlihood or your family away from you by threat they are being a lying sack of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 04:59 PM
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Sacrifice is not really something she has ever done. Another thing is that, her only actual complaint in the relationship is my expectation that she meet my sexual needs, she has no other complaints. "My only problem with our agreement is the fact that you expect me to uphold my side" Lol. For the first time in our relationship I know we have all the cards on the table. I don't hate her, and now, since I know that she doesn't love me, I don't expect her to do anything sexually for me that she do…
/r/askTRP25/01/15 08:22 PM
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But don't forget everyone, dread game isn't manipulation, just having mature communication with your partner about your needs is. Next time your partner sits you down for a heart to heart and tells you that if you don't start putting out more he won't be able to be in a relationship with you because 'honestly working out your problems and sharing your feelings is really important and relationships are hard work' then you tell me how great and not manipulated you feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 07:10 PM
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I wouldn't hate sluts if it wasn't a pandemic that infected this whole generation of women. So...tons of sexually available easy hot women is SOOO awful amirite? It's depressing knowing that we don't have the good women that's our father's generation had. Lol no. Your grandma was dating 5 guys at once and fooling around with them in the back of a chevy convertible.
/r/TheRedPill25/01/15 03:35 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 03:32 PM
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Because a lot of TRP ideas have been disproven. I mean, the 80/20 rule is completely limited at best, and totally bullshit at worst. ??? I mean, this dude is crazy and irritating but the pareto principle is a fairly well established principle in economics with lots and lots of real-world examples of how it appears and why it appears whenever there are lots of competing rational agents with freedom of choice. There's not really any reason to believe it doesn't apply to both men and women in the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 03:31 PM
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her to edit. Anyway afterwards I wake up the next day to emails from both men and women asking me for help advice. I printed it out because so many people benefited it seems from its scattered brained insight and one of my female friends read it and broke down crying and proceed to ask me what's the point. I shrugged. I look at it like a psychedelic trip its not my place to say. Man you sound totally insufferable and I haven't even read your paragraphless whiney rant yet. I hate college freshmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 03:13 PM
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I'm saying that since trp claims men are more logical, wouldn't the things they read on trp just instantly seem logical to them rendering a phase of anger illogical? More logical is not the same as %100 totally logical. Women DO score better on IQ tests by a mean increase of like 3 points vs the general population. That doesn't mean that everyone with tits can find closed form solutions to the field equations BY THE POWER OF VAGINA.. In a similar way, even if men DID have a mean increase in 'log…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 03:10 PM
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You said that the person uninterested in sex has all the power and I think you are very wrong. The other part does because they can decide to leave. So I assume you support creating a social and political environment where there are no or few legal, financial, or familial consequences for a sexually neglected partner if they decide to leave amicably because of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 03:02 PM
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I agree in theory but the truth is that in reality a respectful approach does not leave room for the kind of discussions you are advocating. Seriously. "I would like to have sex/cuddles/board games more" == entitled attitude. "I don't think I can be in a relationship if my needs aren't being met" == threats to get what you want. "We need to have a discussion to talk about meeting each other halfway" == a demand for sacrifice and an appeal to duty. "Please..I do X....why can't you just do more Y"…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 06:59 AM
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This is actually somewhat in support of a RP argument, however, because it's saying that 1) the proper response to your needs not being met is to just bounce without a fight instead of begging or negotiating or guilt-tripping. 2) Marriage is a bad idea for anyone because it removes your ability to respond to emotional abuse without consequences, ESPECIALLY status quo marriage which imposes severely one-sided consequences along gender lines. If the proper non-manipulative non-abusive response to …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 08:48 PM
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lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 06:59 PM
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Obviously the presumption here is that the relationship is long term/serious/marriage. Oh course no one is entitled to sex with another person, but if you have entered a long term, monogamous relationship then you have some responsibility to meet your partner halfway unless the relationship was founded with the understanding that sex would be rare or nonexistent. This person has agreed cease all sexual contact with anyone other than you and you have a responsibly to at least meet them halfway. U…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 06:58 PM
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If I intentionally withheld kisses in order to get some particular power or change out of you, but not hugging or cuddling, then you still technically are getting some kinds of affection so therefore I'm not being emotionally abusive, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 06:55 PM
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To be honest, I came to a lot of the TRP conclusions on my own, and even did shit like wear a fedora (totally uninfluenced by the internet somehow). I was trying my absolute best to convince her that he was an asshole, that he was going to just sleep around without her knowing because of the distance, and that I would be way better. In a way, I think it was movies that gave me these ideas, like you can win a girl over if you try hard enough. Sooo...I'm confused. You 'came to the conclusions on y…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 06:24 PM
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Bring it. If I can't keep my women satisfied (or any women satisfied) then I deserve it. I wouldn't need free sex saturdays even in that case because it's beneath me. If Radioshack can't keep its customers happy and goes out of business vs. amazon and sparkfun, and the owners have to go on welfare, then guess what...not my problem. Capitalism is good for society. If I own a coffee company, then I am not afraid of starbucks driving me out of business, because all it does is help keep me on my toe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/15 04:40 PM
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A man wants anal sex from his girlfriend, she tried a few times with him and an ex boyfriend and found it too painful but she still wants vaginal sex. He asks her over and over, almost every time they have sex. She continues to deny him, saying it's too painful so they have V sex instead. After awhile of denying him anal sex, he starts to become angry or give her the silent treatment for saying no. He says she's being selfish for not wanting to try it again, and he's jealous that the ex boyfrien…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/15 11:55 AM
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It depends a lot on context for whether or not the use of induction based on protected classes is morally valid in my opinion. I generally go with the idea that making statements about groups of people is valid because it can be statistically supported, but making assumptions about a particular person is invalid because we don't have enough data to know anything about who they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/15 11:50 AM
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So I Do security and Freelance programming, I am an MRA. I have the better part of a BS in International Business and MIS with a minor in Russian language, and concentrations in Poli-Sci, Psychology, and Economics. Almost 24 years old. Also a guy not that that matters. Um... I like video games and Sci-Fi lit. Also i am kinky but literally every one know that. You are some kind of stereotype. Like, you are exactly what I picture everyone on this sub (blue or red) to be like.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/15 11:48 AM
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I hope so! I want them to be happy. If I suck sufficiently then why not? One time I called up a certain electronics store looking for a part. "Sorry" the man said "We don't carry that. But I think our competition has it in stock. We do carry the accessories, but they have those cheaper. You should probably just go there" And I did! But guess which store I called first?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 12:33 PM
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This is called "monogamy". Otherwise known as "Social Structural intervention in the sexual marketplace to control pricing and enforce monopolies" It worked about as well as that would.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 05:50 PM
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from each according to their ability, or each according to their need, or some horseshit. And horseshit it IS!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 05:49 PM
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No, my complaint is that its whining for free handouts instead of manning up and being more competitive. It's the taxi companies lobbying city governments to ban/tax Uber instead of just not sucking. Also, I currently have 3 pussies. I fuck them with my dick whenever I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 05:43 PM
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Feminism IS justified...but trying to socially engineer away gender is a fools errand when it's so incredibly useful to most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 05:38 PM
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Not exactly. What about all of TRP's "biotruths" that are used to validate your guys' arguments? The explanation of women's behavior over there always seems to stem back to either evo psych (which would be inborn) or feminism (obvs not inborn) for why women act the way they do. And my point is that I dismiss those biotruths just as readily, because they are shit science and even if they weren't, they don't matter. Trying to argue WHY people statistically follow in-group trends only matters if yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 05:30 PM
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This is the most blue pill thing I've ever heard. Jesus christ. Men with low SMV should be given direct subsidy by the government to give them low-enthusiasm pussy? what the fuck. I thought RP was about capitalism and increasing value propositions and freedom of choice on the market, not whining about how hard it is for fat neckbeards to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 06:34 PM
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This shit doesn't matter though. Whether the differences are genetic or social is irrelevant to whether or not the differences are present. It's like arguing whether or not your enemy in battle was armed by the russians or stole weapons from the UN...while they are shooting at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 06:32 PM
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What is the ideal situation for an RP man? Not being married. What age do you marry? Don't get married. How old are you? Never get married How old is she? She would be smart not to marry you. What's the incentive for her to want to give up her life's trajectory to submit to yours? Doesn't matter, a RP man doesn't require or demand things from people. He sprints his own way and his own path. If she wants to run alongside you for a while she's welcome to, just don't get in the way. How difficult o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/15 04:53 PM
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From experience, I'd rather fuck a enthusiastic woman who wants my dick like it's the last thing on earth and doesn't cause trouble then a bitch who disses me and fights me and causes drama. If getting the first means I have to pay -1 out of 10 in the face and +20 lbs, then sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/15 11:04 PM
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The purpose of a neg is to make a girl feel like you aren't attracted to her and that she's done something to make you dislike her. No. From /r/seduction's glossary (side note, made me want to puke) NEG: This is something you say that is the opposite of a compliment, but does not appear to be intended as an insult. It should typically only be used when the girl has a big ego. [Note: Most PUAs don’t use negs and don’t recommend their usage.] Example: “Nice nails, are they real?” "With that wit, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 08:09 AM
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I don't really keep track of the genders or views of posters here enough to make any claims about them as people, and even if I did, I wouldn't. However, I do find it somewhat frustrating when a BP-er tells me what it's like to date heterosexual women as a heterosexual man, and tells me my experiences and perceptions are clearly misguided, or that my voice is evil, then I inevitably, like clockwork find out that oops they are gay or oops they are women so they don't really have any fucking idea …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 12:46 AM
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I agree. So?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 12:42 AM
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Feminism is the idea that men and women should have equal access to public goods and public judgement under society and under the law. It also somewhat includes other aspects of liberalism generally such as an acknowledgement of differing experience of the world based on race and culture and gender. There's other stuff but that's the big shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 12:40 AM
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I think it would be diffused a little bit, and hyper-betas would get a lot more attention because they would contrast more, but yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 12:35 AM
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Yep. Here's what I originally said on the topic: My response now though is to ALWAYS respect a no, even when I know it's LMR..... when there's a "no" in play I just totally go platonic until it makes sense to leave....no pussy isn't worth the stress or risk....maybe next time she won't play stupid games. When it comes to access to my cock, I have a strict "fuck yes or no" policy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 05:12 PM
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True. My examples were absurdly extreme at the far end of an abusive relationship. Usually its more sinister and subtle
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 01:53 PM
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"No reward is worth this" explicitly says that she's not worth anything and she's wasting his time. "Princess" "worshipfulness" "highness" are ALWAYS performed with a sneer and sarcasm, because he's telling her that she's arrogant and her title isn't worthy of respect to him. It's ABSOLUTELY negging
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 01:52 PM
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called "Last Minute Resistance" and "Breaking Rapport." I will say that I've seen LMR firsthand over and over and over again and honestly there's a huge difference between LMR and an actual no. LMR is basically a statement that a woman is heavily into BDSM and/or wants to fuck really bad but still has shame related difficulties with sex and can't be an adult about admitting to those desires. Especially in the BDSM case if she actually follows safe BDSM practices that would make her a slut and sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 12:47 AM
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So you are right that political liberals "deregulated" the sexual marketplace. They were responsible for the sexual revolution and normalization of drug use and widespread acceptable contraception and STI prevention and the distruction and demonification of the traditional values that constrained it. However, I thought you were arguing specifically about government intervention when governments were NEVER directly responsible for price controls on the sexual marketplace. It's not like congress p…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 10:23 PM
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Attraction isn't %100 looks and even if it was she's really not that unattractive for her age. Also, he's not james bond, he's a guy who played james bond.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 11:44 PM
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Yep, socially liberal ancap here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 08:02 PM
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I sometimes feel like when discussing the sexual marketplace bluepillers are willfully obtuse. The social-sexual marketplace refers to the way human beings price and exchange social favors. This pricing is obviously not done in money, but in status and social exchange, such as sexual validation and intimacy and time invested and trust. It in no way refers to cash or wall-street or prostitution or anything like this. Previously, there were intense controls on the social-sexual marketplace in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 08:01 PM
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That's incredibly realistic in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 12:22 AM
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most women wouldn't tolerate non-monogamy and would be hurt by their partner cheating. Poly types are a very self-selected group. My dating pool is almost exclusively women who I knew before I 'came out' as poly, who don't identify as poly, who don't believe in poly, who are seeking monogamous LTRs, and women who have "Must be single" on their profile. They just don't give a fuck sharing me in practice because why not. I think a woman has turned me down because she said "I don't think I can do n…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 06:02 PM
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Do you all think this is ethical? Do you think this would work in real life? If you were "tricked" into a date this way would this be ok? It's ethical as long as he tells them before hand those are the stakes. I think it would have varying levels of "success" in the real world. It's marginally good for anti-slut defense, but it also explicitly establishes transactionality early on in the relationship. Transactionality is like the biggest long-term wetness killer EVER. What's more BB than implyin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 05:51 PM
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This is probably a common situation. Really? Because what you've described here sounds like a fantasy game of the sims that someone might play, or a really terrible mary-sue romance novel. I've never ever EVER observed relationships where there are even subsets of what you've described here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 05:40 PM
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won't mind "sharing an alpha man" as part of a soft harem because she minds sexuality infidelity less than emotional infidelity It's not that they won't mind, it's that they are more willing to. It's also saying "More likely to be willing to"...only a sith deals in absolutes. This is also not the only reason for "soft" harems. "Many of us are non-hetero, do you think this has an impact on how TRP is viewed or argued against in general?" Abso-fucking lutely it does. It's the difference between ja…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 05:26 PM
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Lol upvote
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 05:03 PM
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Experiencing both. Sex in a LTR because it's been a few weeks and she doesn't want to hear me beg anymore, compared vs sex with an educated upper class woman who told me to skip the date and was begging me to hurry up and finish in her mouth so she could hold it in her mouth while I fucked her ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 08:34 AM
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RP fails to ignore the inherent nature of men. Redpillers has an entire men’s rights section that gets angry over men receiving longer prison sentences, or being defaulted as possible rapists. But aren’t by nature men more sexually aggressive, and more violent? Just from a pure statistics stand point a child is safer being next to a strange male than a strange female. If you had a young daughter would you trust a male baby sitter or a female one? This is sexist as shit. If I am not capable of lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 01:54 AM
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I agree with you so I don't think a CMV is in order....but I would point out that consentual and enthusiastic sex thats not explicitly negotiated is a billion billion times more fulfilling than pro sex. A woman who is desperate to have your alpha cock inside her acts TOTALLY different in bed then one who intellectually thinks its the right thing to do. Porn star sex with drooling and begging for more vs dead starfish. The difference in validation and physical pleasure and intimacy is so pronounc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 12:57 AM
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I rhink you have no idea what a sexual marketplace is. Question: is there such a thing as a friendship marketplace? I assert that there is. You arent friends wirh everyone and that means yoi choose who deserves your time investment. Since you make those choices based on some criteria, that's a marketplace even though it doesnt involve cash. If you don't choose your friends based on who is a good friend to you and who you respect then how do you choose them? If a friend didn't bring anything to y…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 12:48 AM
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If you do believe women are justified in lying about their partner count, do you also believe TRPers are justified in lying, 'manipulating' women etc. to get what we want? Yes/No. I wouldn't do either because I have morals, but self-interested behavior isn't amoral unless it's fradulent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 08:38 PM
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Most PEOPLE have a wadering eye. The irony is that I'm sure most redpill men are constantly considering other options. Of course the men are somehow immune to the implications that come with that, but women aren't. I'm not sure that hypergamy is supposed to necessarily imply that men are superior or more pure. It's supposed to imply that women are just as infidelitous as men, but generally in a monogamous way with regards to sexuality. A man will have a wandering eye, but will generally only wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 08:30 PM
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She wanted you from the moment she sent the first text.
/r/TheRedPill05/01/15 06:43 PM
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But I've long wondered: do redpill men realize their rhetoric reinforces this kind of choice? Do they care? I don't care what you do and I am happy you are happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 06:06 PM
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shrug It's been my experience over and over and over and I've observed it over and over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 06:01 PM
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that are men only will encourage men to open up about their feelings; as opposed to creating a dick swinging macho git fest where anyone who shows a chink in their armor is set on. I mean, respectfully, you don't really know what goes on in male spaces. I've been a part of a few and they were never a dick swinging macho git fest. I think thats just what you imagine them to be like.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 05:40 PM
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It's not the fault of feminism so much as the fault of outdated and backwards thinking that puts men in a place in which they aren't allowed to properly express themselves emotionally. Showing emotion is not a weakness, and TRP sure as hell never understands that point. It's the fault of vagina. It's all well and good to talk about how it's OK for men to be weak, but the first time a man is weak and she pays lipservice to how much she supports him, then 2 hours later sends him to go sleep on the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 05:39 PM
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What does that have anything to do with the goals of feminism pushing women to approach men first? It's just an example of why it would be helpful to encourage feminism. I am so confused as to why you think this disqualifies OP. I think his point is that feminism does say "Yes, women, you should feel free to approach, there's nothing wrong about that!" The problem is that it has no practical effect in reality, because the reason women don't approach has never been because they felt like they cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 05:34 PM
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See my flair for context about my answers. Doesn't feminism help men too? Yep. Absolutely. In a TON of ways. Doesn't feminism enable women to do the approaching in the dating world? No. Women don't approach in the dating world because they simply don't have to. Being much more in demand they enjoy not having to approach. Approaching is hard, men only do it because they have to. Most men are ecstatic when a woman indicates even the tiniest amount of interest. Feminism isn't going to change econom…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 05:27 PM
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Don't care. It exists, but take it to /r/MRA
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 04:56 PM
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I don't see how their Sexodus is anything but good for women (who are supposed to be, what, sad or pissed about this or something?) If high valued men give up on commitment altogether but still fuck 5-10 women a week who all fight each-other tooth and nail for the time, and medium and low-valued men give up on sex and commitment altogether, then women who want emotional validation and support and companionship will be completely unable to find it at ANY price, especially as their SMV goes down w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 08:49 PM
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Most of reddit thinks that TRP is toxic, misogynist and misleading because it violates the status quo to criticise society, and because a great number of red pill posters actually ARE toxic and misogynist, it's fairly easy to find quotes that support the stereotype (or intentionally misconstrue context). I think the generalizations are not 'unfair' in the sense that I don't really blame anyone for thinking that, because in addition to the fact that many redpillers actually ARE misogynists, many …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 10:48 PM
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Would the BluePill and/or RedPill agree that the Red Pill is best suited for the gullible, young under 25 ego-inflated types of girls (wanna-be models, cheerleaders, girls who like to drink at bars, sleep around, etc? No. As a matter of fact, in my experience the more educated and intelligent and geeky she is the better TRP works. I can't give you evidence or reason other than my personal experience, but I exclusively date feminists with graduate degrees and above-average IQs in their lower to u…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 10:30 PM
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Edited to ask: if the man is the drunk one and the female was sober, would it still be rape or just sex? Still rape. Answer: always be the "too drunk to remember" person and then you are in the clear! Better to be considered the raped than the rapist, especially it you can't remember anything that happened, right? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 03:20 AM
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Validation of a woman - she's an attention-seeking whore using you as an emotional tampon. If validation is exchanged mutually then there's no problem. If a woman wants emotional and sexual validation from me and she's worth validating and validates me back sexually and emotionally then awesome. That's called consenting adults engaging in a mutually beneficial relationship If she expects me to provide for her needs while she could give a fuck about ine then she can fuck right off.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 03:15 AM
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I specified because I think there is a difference between viewing people as less valuable and damaged for certain purposes or in certain contexts, and viewing them as such "in general" (you are worse marriage material, so you are less than her, period). This is absolutely true. In the context of TRP we aren't talking about overall value as human beings. We are talking about SMV or LTR-MV. Nikolai Tesla had an amazing overall value as a human, but a fairly low SMV. Oprah has done amazing things f…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 03:11 AM
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Having sex every day hasn't solved your problems? Go figure. I mean, I don't think I really have problems. Problems are relative. I think nobody feels like a badass every goddamn day. So he was never satisfied and felt very empty after each sexual experience with his random women. I think for him he claims his mama never loved him or something so he craved female attention in that sense. Yep, there's a reason No More Mr. Nice Guy is a RP mandatory book.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 04:28 AM
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Yep, I'm a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 10:54 PM
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So if you woke up black out drunk and found out that you got married, that would be a valid marriage and you consented to it and you would agree to child support, alimony, etc? If so, you're an insane person who believes valid contracts can be signed while under the influence. If not, then you don't believe a person who is black out drunk can consent to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:37 AM
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I just meant there are times when I feel sexually and emotionally that my needs aren't being met, but I recognize that feeling is just a feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:35 AM
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Well if he doesn't that's fucking rape. If you agree to sign a contract to get married but at the altar while you are saying your vows and she's putting the ring on you you say "Wait, no I changed my mind I'm not ready to agree to this" she can't just grab your finger and be like "TOO LATE, ITS HAPPENING" and force the ring on. Your verbal "No" would invalidate the marriage contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 12:42 AM
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I stipulated that, my question was if you are too drunk to CONSENT then why aren't you ALSO too drunk to have your memory of the incident be deemed untrustworthy I don't know, I would absolutely consider someone who was too drunk to consent to be an unreliable narrator. However, usually that's not really relevant. It's rare that in cases like this the more sober party says "Well, we didn't have sex at all and I can prove it". Usually the more sober party says "Well, we did have sex but they acte…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 12:39 AM
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Why marry at all in a land of spoiled-rotten, obese, entitled feminists? Don't!
/r/askTRP29/12/14 12:35 AM
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Honestly if they were so drunk they had significant memory loss then they were probably too drunk to consent. Like, seriously, if you woke up in the morning in vegas married to a stranger, and there's video of you drunkenly saying "I do" in front of elvis, but you don't remember ANY of it, would you consider that a fair marriage and pay alimony after the divorce? Hell no. If you are so drunk you can't consent to a business contract, then you can't consent to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 12:12 AM
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I feel incel at times because I'm insatiable and I want more attention then I'm getting and I remember my BP days. In reality I'm in a poly relationship, I get laid by my primary pretty much every day, and I have hookups and girlfriends. My N is 3 times higher than hers and 4 times higher than any other man in my friend group....I'm a lucky SOB I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 12:10 AM
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I respectfully reject your assertion that if an adult consents to sex then that indicates consent to a monogamous long term relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 05:35 PM
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I respectfully think this post belies a lot of misunderstandings of RP and it also is fundamentally wrong for several reasons that are easy to demonstrate. However, since 1) it sounds like you've made up your mind and 2) all of this comment is a total red herring to what we've been discussing, I'm just going to say I'm sorry you feel that way. If you'd like to continue the discussion, then I will ask you a question: are consent for sex and for emotional intimacy intertwined? If you consent to ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 03:53 PM
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For example, a freezeout is a RP technique that is designed to help prevent you from engaging in begging to not be hurt or losing frame by arguing. If someone intentionally hurts you, (like lying to you or betraying you) the right response isn't to beg and plead or whine and yell, but to sussinctly explain why what they did was unacceptable and hurt you. If they do anything but apologize (like guilt you or scream at you) then rather then engage just withdraw from the situation and walk away and …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 03:27 PM
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if red pill is anti abuse, anti dread game, pro letting a women leave you, then you can't be abusive and be RP. No, I said it's ORTHOGONAL. Orthogonal means you can be either one. I didn't say RP is intrinsically anti-abuse. I guarantee you that there are emotionally abusive assholes who use RP shit to continue to be abusive assholes. Orthogonal means the two spectrums are unrelated. then being abusive (dread game) and red pill are negatively correlated, not orthogonal. Dread game and abuse aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 04:20 AM
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My sister: "Maybe if you werent such a fucking slob, a girl might actually want to touch your dick." You mean work on improving your hygiene/appearance/fitness/personal ambition in order to raise your overall SMV with a hypothetical average girl who cares about those things? I agree, your sister DID give you the best advice ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/14 12:09 PM
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Upvote, also I'd like to point out that Abusive and TRP are orthogonal qualities...meaning, being abusive is NOT an intrinsic part of TRP philosophy at all (quite the opposite actually in most cases...for example, TRP says if a woman wants to cheat on you for example you shouldn't try to make her stay you should respect her choice to not be with you and tell her to GTFO). You can be abusive and RP, you can be non-abusive and RP, you can be abusive and BP (think begging/crying for sex, getting an…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/14 12:07 PM
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Well, I guess if you're average and like average, its a fine strategy/way to look at it. Makes enough sense. Thanks for your write up. The ten years older thing depends on the woman. I'm 31 and have had 4 or 5 guys who were 10 years younger be interested (and met more that wanted to go out on like okcupid and crud like that.) I'm abnormally young looking, so I know that's unusual, but just to prove it happens to some women because they may not look their age. You usually look your weight if you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 07:09 AM
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alpha descriptor? I think you should read again. My point is that "alpha" doesn't mean "fitness" at all. In the way that "tacky" doesn't mean "orange". Some orange things are certainly tacky, and for some things making them more orange might make them more tacky, but tackyness and orangeness aren't intrinsically related. I wouldn't hold up a round fruit with a navel and say "I just don't like this Tacky". "Fitness" is not a part of "alphaness" anymore than "orangeness" is a part of "tackiness". …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 02:06 AM
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This has always confused me. Who gets to decide what is or isn't "Tacky"? Is it weird al? Your mom? Your grandma? Fashion designers? Gay musicians? Answer: All of those people might have an opinion about what is and isn't "Tacky", and some of them might be more qualified than others, but at the end of the day what is "Tacky" is an individual opinion based on an intuitive feeling based on examples that are also known to be "Tacky" Whether or not something is "Redpill" is similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 01:14 AM
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So women can be beta and alpha? Sure, but in most cases the descriptor isn't useful. Can men be pretty? Sure, but usually we choose handsome because its a more accurate adjective but pretty men exist. Would you say a man is sultry? Curvy? Maybe you can picture a sultry man or a curvy one but generally these words have gendered meanings that make them less useful to describe men. Not impossible just less useful.. Plus, not all women will want the alpha clustered traits. For example, fitness. I li…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 12:05 AM
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I disagree that there are only one set of characteristics for women. Women can be feminine,feminist, sweet, cruel, hot, submissive,dominant,slutty,sultry,fat,virginal, whatever. We talk all the time about various desirable and undesirable characteristics in women. "Alpha" and "beta" are catch-all names for certain groups of named characteristics (and some unnamed characteristics) which happen to recur often enough together that a shorthand for them is useful....sort of like the word "tacky". Tac…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 02:59 PM
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why are there only 4 kinds of people: beta male, alpha male, hypergamous AWALT, or young virgin females who have been domesticated by an alpha, before they can irreversibly become hypergamous sluts? There aren't. These aren't kinds of people any more than "Violent,Stupid,Charismatic,Wealthy,Idealistic" are distinct kinds of people. Beta","alpha","hypergamous" are characteristics not distinctions. why are men able to decide on/migrate their type on their own efforts and women cannot? Again, it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 07:04 PM
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If RPers don't want to LTR sluts and only use them as plates, how do they find women to LTR and why LTR at all? Exactly. Don't have an LTR. are queer men privileged in the RP ideology/framework? Considering that only men are capable of "real" love, are more honorable, etc, than women. I'd imagine that a queer RP man would have it made, or maybe wouldn't even need to be RP because he's dealing with men, right? I could understand this line of reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 07:02 PM
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Ending marriage as a contract supported by the state or honored by the state and establishing marriage as an explicit private contract between consenting adult persons with contract terms decided by each party and each party alone. Basically, the state honors your marriage contract should you choose to form one and does not have the power to enforce or award any benefits not enumerated in the contract. This would bring marriage law to be similar to normal corporate contracts law, and simultaneou…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 07:34 PM
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How do we know those other traits don't directly influence her sexual attraction? They do! I'm not saying they don't. They absolutely do. See also "Omg he's a doctor!" But they influence it in a 'conscious' and sorta manipulative way (that's also degrading and objectifying). It also eventually fades compared to animal lust. Everyone settles, no one ever knows for sure they are with their best match in the whole world. That's not what I mean by settling. What I mean by settling is "believing" you…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 07:17 PM
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averagely attractive man in their heads, and it includes personality. They rate all strangers relative to that model, so lacking much personality, the strangers score lower than the average model. Unless they are especially hot. I don't agree this is the case, but suppose it WAS the case. This would still support the AF/BB 80/20 proposition. Your argument basically boils down to the idea that on the early timescales of a relationship (say 0-5 dates), %80 of men are less attractive than what is c…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 06:28 PM
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How willing are RP men to be the primary homemaker and childrearer for their breadwinning wife? How willing are they to take the supportive role if or when their female SO makes substantially more than him and contributes the most to their preferable lifestyle? How willing are they to have dinner on the stove by 6 PM for their wife who makes most of the money and pays the lion share of the bills? Totally willing, if we lived in the kind of world where gender roles allowed this to be a realistic …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 06:09 PM
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that female attraction increases with increasing knowledge of the personality inside the body, This isn't strange at all. This is actually a cornerstone of RP philosophy. Also known as 'game', the amount that someone finds you attractive as a man is much much much more correlated with your personality cues of confidence and togetherness and social power. thus making women rate strangers as less attractive before they get to know them. No, because they know all of these men 'equally'. It's a dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 05:58 PM
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This is fairly testable - for example rating pictures online, just make sure it is random. Dating sites that require a photo and thus ugly people cannot avoid not uploading one are a good random sample. Done http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/your_looks_and_inbox/Male-Attractiveness-Ratings.png Men seem to be fairly honest with their ratings. Male appraisal of female attractiveness follows a roughly normal curve. (this graph doesn't show the normal curve 'tails' but SUPER hot people and SUPER ugly peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 05:25 PM
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I think one thing to keep in mind is that there's a difference between what RPers say a woman should do in order to maximize her SMV and what RPers want women to do. When RPers say that women should stay chaste and not sleep around and be really hard to get that's not what they actually want, because they ALSO want women to sleep with THEM and not play hard to get. It's sort of like commenting that if Apple added DRM to some products they would be able to successfully charge more for music. Howe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:58 AM
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You aren't entitled to anything from anyone. That's a fucking RP cornerstone man. The whole point of market value is that you have to bargain in trade for what you offer. You don't get to just show up and demand that anyone gives you shit. HOWEVER, if you are giving someone something (a relationship, support) and they don't give you something of comparable value back (which might include sex), then you are totally justified in ceasing your 'payments'
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:53 AM
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So do you think the media should engage in some sort of campaign to change people's preferences in order to make things more... inclusive? No. Why should anyone's preferences be judged? What justifies attempted brainwashing in ANY direction? Personally, I wish people realized that their preferences aren't as fixed as they think. It might make it easier to find someone they can be happy with. Maybe it would be a more perfect world if people were more open-minded, but you don't get the right to te…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 05:44 PM
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I've posted before about how it isn't. Terpers are against straw-man feminism that isn't anything like what feminism actually is, and Feminists can't look past the male-focus to realize that TRP actually basically advocates for everything they believe in. I've posted before about this
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 04:02 PM
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See, that's the thing. There's no need to be mad about that. Being mad about that is like being mad if someone asks you to buy your house for $100. You wouldn't get angry at them you'd just laugh and wave them along. Your contention is that their bid is too low for the expectations they have. That's an easy enough problem to fix: don't take the bid. Simple, no anger required.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 10:57 PM
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It's not a scotsman. I covered this also (maybe in a later post) I meant that I was about to make a 'one true scotsman' argument. I wasn't accusing you of one. I was trying to admit the weakness in my point preemptively. :D What's left is a strong dislike, and a disdain for women. for all women, but especially those that they sleep with. I don't think I've seen this. Some sure, but that's just a phase. And they still refer to them as slut/bitch/cunt/whore... it doesn't pass. Slut isn't a negativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 10:53 PM
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TRP: I hate women PP: Then why do you want to have sex with them 'Cause no woman ever has ever said 'gah men are such assholes.' in an off-the cuff expression of frustration to her female friends in an assumed safe space. NEVER HAPPENS amiright? TRP: Because I need to breed PP: So you're mindless? Sex and intimacy aren't human needs. Nope. Anyone who likes sex and pursues it is just a mindless drone. TRP: They should just do what I want PP: So you're entitled Who says this? TRP says the opposite…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 06:01 PM
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they preach self-responsibility while blaming women/feminists/SJWs/Society for all their problems. Nail, head, etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 05:56 PM
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you simply resent and disdain women. I don't think thats at all a part of TRP. And now that they are, you're punishing them for not giving you sex in the past. How? I don't think revenge is advocated by TRP, but I could be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 05:56 PM
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I agree with you but a lot of these things are a part of the 'stages' and are expected to fade away once you realize them and accept them. I know this is basically a scotsman but most 'veteran' redpillers: Don't care about AF/BB. In fact, they love it. Just be AF not BB Don't care about short hair/tattoos. Women can dress how they want, just don't fuck them if you arent' attracted to them. Here, any residual anger is more mocking the entitlement implied by women who make themselves less attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 05:54 PM
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Feminism is an international conspiracy the same way the patriarchy is or nazisim is or "Anonymous" is...which is to say, it's not. There's no "feminist" board of directors plotting ways to subjugate men. There just isn't. The KKK is dead. Sure there's some yokels wearing white robes and playing 'seekrit society' in a few cabins and dank bars, but nobody takes what they have to say seriously and they have no power. Where do you think they are coming from? It's trendy and victim complexes feel go…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 05:45 PM
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I'm smarter than you, so I don't believe your pseudo-science holds weight. snickers derisively
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 05:43 PM
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I'm not ignoring you, I just don't have time or energy for a literature review right now. However, I've written a couple long posts about it in my post history I'll see if I can find one and get back.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 03:54 PM
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Actual feminist theory and red pill theory actually basically advocate for the same thing and advocate for the same kind of society. If TRP actually stopped for a minute they could easily Trojan horse academic feminism that supports TRP and tank SJW bullshit forever
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 02:15 AM
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I suggest you learn what 'straw man' means as a verb, 'cause you're using it wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 02:13 AM
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Fair enough :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 11:35 PM
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I've posted before about how I think that's stupid. Check my post history. TRP basically falls HARD to points 4) and 5). They straw man "Feminism" as this international conspiracy of intentional subjugation that is to blame for all their problems, and they also take shit idiot sexist "bloggers" and SJWs seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 10:38 PM
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I would say that the one wanting the divorce should give it some more time, or ask for reasoning, etc. What do you believe this would accomplish?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 10:26 PM
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If one partner changes drastically in a way that makes the relationship unhealthy (for example no sex), why wouldn't they be at blame? Maybe they are. Who cares? You can't ever prove it, or disentangle it from the myriad of reasons. Maybe the other partner got really fat and mean? Then whose "fault" would it be?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 10:26 PM
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After how much time, if ever, is the partner who still wants to have a sex life justified in pursuing the "last ditch" option that is divorce? Any amount of time. Consent doesn't need to be justified. This includes consent to sex, consent to relationships, consent to buying groceries. No means No is a universal norm. If I say "No, I no longer consent to be married to you" then no means no. If I say "No, I do not consent to have sex with you" then no means no. It's a simple concept. Has anything …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 10:24 PM
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Most redpillers probably wouldn't call themselves "feminists" and that word seems to have very negative connotations there. See my flair. I'm a proud feminist. Anyways, where do you think feminism went wrong? Was it wrong from the beginning? Which of its achievements do you support, and which do you oppose? I don't think feminism "Went wrong" per se. I think that 1) feminism is a wide umbrella that contains lots of philosophies, some better than others. 2) some of those philosophies are idiotic …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 10:14 PM
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Lol. "I would like to restrict my sexual relationships to those where my partners actively desire me and desire me to be sexually happy"==I'M INTO SEX SLAVERY
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 11:23 PM
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Someone not wanting to fuck you does not mean they arent attracted to you. For normal people a shitload more goes into the equation than mere attraction. Right, which is why I originally said either she's not attracted to you or she has other hangups (religion, history of abuse, low-libido) that are likely to kill the relationship anyway. Like I said, either case is grounds for ending the relationship. Please explain to me why you believe that I should be compelled to stay in a monogamous relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/14 05:47 AM
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Yep!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 11:07 PM
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Personally, I think much of trp regarding availibility, eagerness, and sexual attraction and respect applies across genders and orientations.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 11:07 PM
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I think that people who say it's "gross" are just not effectually analysing their internal monologue. I don't think it's gross. I don't care. I love fucking sluts. Except for an increased chance of STI (which is 99% mitigated by condom usage and also my fault too if I'm the promiscuous one) However, the key point is that I'm not really interested in an LTR with the partners I'm looking at. If I was, I would be more likely to commit to a less promiscuous partner, because a less promiscuous partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 08:56 AM
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My question is, would rp tactics like negging, dread game, amused mastery and all that work on someone who was aware of them and aware they were being gamed? Or do they only work on those who are ignorant of them? No, they work because they are attractive not because they are manipulated. Poorly executed they don't work if she's aware of it, but that's because it's poorly executed. If a girl can 'feel' negged because you just insulted her, then you were an idiot because negging isn't insulting s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 04:46 AM
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Because someone with a history of impulsive decisions is likely to make additional impulsive decisions.
/r/askTRP26/11/14 08:10 PM
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To redpillers what would you change about TRP if you were the head mod? I would ban all or almost all "Because feminism, I can't get laid" style posts that obviously have nothing to do with feminism. I would also ban anyone talking about or bitching about SJW. Feminism isn't some international boogeyman conspiracy and it makes TRPers look paranoid, weak, and stupid in my mind. Yeah, you're literally cowering in fear because some liberal arts major working at starbucks goes out on weekends to bar…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 09:35 PM
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"sex, how I like it, whenever I want it, and fuck your own needs" So, wait now, you can't move the goalposts. Either we're talking about someone who fails to fuck you ever like you originally said TRP states that if the girl is NOT WILLING TO FUCK YOU, you move on and stop wasting your time. Or we're talking about someone who is excited and enthusiastic to fuck you 90% of the time but is occasionally busy or not in the mood like all normal humans are. I was talking about the first case, and orig…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 09:20 PM
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Yep. Nail on the head here. This is why so much of the TRP advice tries to convince people to stop focusing on getting laid and focus on making yourself happy: Build stuff, get hobbies, travel. The problem is that newcomers to TRP STILL are caught in the mindset of starvation because they haven't yet found success and are still caught grappling with insecurity and pain as a result of fundamentally lacking access to a certain crippling human physical and emotional need. Imagine if you found someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 08:37 PM
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fuck women so hot they won't marry you before settling for a less hot woman who was ignored by men like you in her youth Part of the problem is that this question assumes that men and women value sex and commitment equally: where marriage is more valuable then sex. This is unfortunately not actually true generally based on the supply-demand of gender relations. With some limited exceptions, A woman 'dating up' is dating a hot man who will fuck her but not marry her, a man 'dating up' is dating a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 08:27 PM
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So basically, what you are saying is that if someone blackmails you with sexual intimacy you should NEXT them? That's pretty RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 08:23 PM
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All this is irrelevant to my point, which is that you fundamentally critique evo-psych, and then argue that since TRP is based on evo-psych, then TRP is invalid. My point is that TRP doesn't require evo-psych, so your critique is invalid. All the rest of what you said in your reply is completely off-topic and consists of "spreading"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 08:21 PM
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A blue pill guy accepts that some girls dont want to have sex on the second date. Some want to take things slow, and that doesnt rule them out as good potential partners. It may or may not depending on the context, and I don't think RP says "Fuck on the first date or leave". If she USUALLY fucks on the first date, but doesn't fuck YOU on the first date, then that means she's not actually as attracted to you as most men she's involved in and you SHOULD bail. Nobody deserves to be in a relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 08:19 PM
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That mean that if the girl is not attracted to YOU move on and stop wasting your time This isnt correct. TRP states that if the girl is NOT WILLING TO FUCK YOU, you move on and stop wasting your time. What's the difference? If she's not willing to fuck you either she's not attracted to you or she has other hangups (religion, history of abuse, low-libido) that are likely to kill the relationship anyway. In either case, someone's relationship needs aren't being met, and why should someone stay in …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 08:16 PM
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What would you do about it? If your partner began to withhold sexual intimacy or use it to blackmail you how would you respond?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 09:26 PM
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Lets assume I agree with you completely. (I actually do) So what? What would that change? TRP works regardless of whether or not we debate about WHY it works. Like, yeah, you are absolutely right that gender roles, attraction levels, social structures etc change with culture. So what? Our current culture has very specific definitions of masculine behavior, and women are attracted to those definitions, and will treat you shitty if you don't obey them. Regardless of whether or not the masculine ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 06:39 PM
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t out last night... and two people asked me if I was single within minutes of meeting them. No pills necessary; I'm just good at building rapport. People ask if I'm single all the time. Or they don't ask they just kiss me because flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 12:40 AM
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As opposed of the RP way where the man is the sole authority in determining the terms of the relationship, right? I'm not talking about you specifically, but this is what RP boils down to the vast majority of the time. No, the RP way is that each partner individually sets their own boundaries and simply acts on them. If a partner is demanded to perform outside their boundary they make it clear why and refuse politely. The idea of a relationship is that you're a part of a team, and you need to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 12:38 AM
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I remember in particular one example of a man practicing dread game on his wife for god-knows what reason, let me see if I can remember a few things he did: That's not dread game. I don't know what that is but it's basically ending the relationship (and in the case of cutting of financially/taking away car its something like blackmail/violence). It's passive aggressive as fuck. Dread game is explained EXACTLY in the link YOU gave me defining dread game. I'll link it here again. http://therationa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 12:31 AM
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To work something out with someone is democratic and cooperative. Not manipulative. Working something out implies striking some kind of bargain. "You give me this, I'll give you this" It's transactional language that implies that you are going to verbally negotiate the terms of the relationship. This also rings with "To get the most out of each-other". It's really manipulative. You have the right to tell people they've fucked up, IF THEY FUCKED UP. This isn't fucking Minority Report; you don't a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 03:01 PM
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So, I have a question. Suppose my wife gets her hair done and looks very sexy, and goes out wearing a nice dress to a club with her friends. This of course, might make me feel anxious or jealous about the fact that she's hot. Other people would want to hit on her. Of course, I also want to bang her because she's looking really hot. Yes or no, she's victimizing me?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 02:44 PM
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Really? You really think that if I smile at strangers or work out or start a new business venture then I'm abusing my wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 02:42 PM
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There appears to be two different definitions of BP going around here. One is the behavior of pre-RP terps, and the other is the perception of feminist views held by terps. Good point. Pre-RP terps is what I try to focus on. Straw-man definitions of feminism bore me. I'm a feminist, Check my flair. If being "nice" was an effective form of manipulation, you'd be getting what you want and you wouldn't need the red pill. My point is that it is about intent. Doing things for someone supposedly just …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 11:11 PM
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Hahahaha, are you kidding? You have a whole sub dedicated to getting the pussy. 90% of the posts on the red pill are about whether people have succeeded in getting laid or not, or how to get laid more, or how to get a submissive wife, or some variation of that. I agree with that. It's unfortunate to me but I agree. The main reason for that is that it's usually the only way to bring thirsty men to the light. If you are obsessive about booze, then you've gotta kick your habit first. However, deped…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 10:45 PM
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Negging isn't abuse, it's just depedestalization. You can't simultaneously treat women like you treat everyone else and refrain from negging them if you normally 'neg' everyone else (which most healthy and friendly male relationships are based on) Dread game is literally just "Become attractive". I don't see how me lifting weights or smiling at strangers should be something that is harmful to others unless we live in a slave society where my body is forfeit. If it so happens that me getting a ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 06:33 PM
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BP is "nice guy" behavior: "If you are just really nice and treat people with respect they'll find you attractive" no they won't. Treating people nice hoping to get something out of it isn't nice. It's manipulative. Trying to "talk to someone about your problems. Come to an understanding" involves sitting someone down, trying to offer them things and verbally negotiate desire. Sometimes with implied threats. This is manipulation. Basically, expecting anyone to do anything with a covert expectati…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 06:29 PM
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I think that its %100 right. I also think that's irrelevant. It's like saying "Shooting people is wrong, put down your guns. Don't even carry a weapon" in the old lawless west. For what it's worth, you can practice purely defensive RP that doesn't involve manipulation. Manipulation is BP. Express your needs. If they aren't met drop them. No manipulation required.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/14 07:26 PM
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Why she lost attraction. Of course it takes more than just talking to solve the problem, but that does not mean communication isn't a valuable step in the solution. I don't know ANYONE who could HONESTLY be introspective enough to answer the question of "why do I find you unattractive" honestly to themselves, let alone anyone with the amount of trust in their relationship to feel free to admit it clearly and frankly to their partner. Any talking answer to this question is at best a white lie or …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 09:59 PM
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And this is where exactly my criticism of this technique becomes clear. You can't actually provide an example of a hypothetical problem and the hypothetical solution. "They talk about it" then what? Then what happens? Nothing. Lets assume they DO identify some issues, like stress, or chores, or whatever other excuses matter. Do you honesty think that you can talk someone into finding you sexy? If there was some person on the street who you did not find sexy, could they present you with a contrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 09:57 PM
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I'm not going to engage in an argument about whether or not the hormonal differences are the source of gender differences or whether or not hormonal differences are caused by biology or the environment: My point is that such questions are irrelevant. There's no need to argue about WHY men and women are different unless we aim to assign blame or create social change. Since TRP doesn't advocate social change or assign blame, it doesn't matter at all why men and women are different, only that they …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 09:52 PM
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I personally prefer passive-aggressive behavior I wouldn't advocate passive aggressive anything. RP advice is to just be hotter. If you can't be hotter you aren't trying hard enough. If you fail to become hotter from not putting in enough effort then put in more effort or give up by ending the relationship. Nothing passive agressive there. Passive agressive is threats.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 09:49 PM
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Biologically, yes. After 18 years of differing expectations, different consequences, different rewards, different incentives, different rules, different desires, different media.... No.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 09:42 PM
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Ok, can you walk me through a hypothetical on how this would work with OP's hypothetical? You have a high-libido and a low-libido partner. The low-libido partner initiates a discussion.... Walk me through it. What do they talk about? What action occurs? Who takes the action?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 08:56 PM
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If you are already in a prolonged sexless marriage dread game won't bring it back, you are way beyond that Yes, yes it does. if it is so successful how does somebody end up in a sexless marriage? By becoming complacent, letting yourself go, losing frame, and failing to be amazing. Dread game is not the same as negotiating desire? It's negotiation, sure, but its not the same as verbal pleading negotiation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 08:47 PM
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No, but talking can identify the issues and can make people change their behaviour to reignite that fire. The issue is that they aren't fucking. There, I identified it. Talking about not fucking is the thing least likely to result in fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 08:45 PM
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Telling someone "X is a necessity for me to continue being in this relationship" is a way to mitigate seemingly passive aggressive behavior on your part and allow your partner to understand your position. Oh yeah baby, threaten me with ultimatums. Gets me SOOO wet for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 08:44 PM
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I think most of them automatically assume you take actions based on the results of the talk. Ok, fine. Which actions are taken and who takes them? If you say "I need sex in my life" she won't suddenly find you attractive, because being obliged to fuck someone is the least sexy thing ever. So she won't take any action she'll just feel pressured and guilty after the talk. The only party left to "take action" is the guy, and that's rape. Talking helped nothing because the low-libido partner CANT ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 08:42 PM
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but being a feminist appears to be a limiting factor. I disagree. See my flair :). I think the idea that Sexuality is effectively operating on market principles Statistically there are differences in both experience and expectations for men and women in that marketplace in specific and in society at large People will largely ignore social convention and morality when participating in that market in order to act in their own self interest. Are the big non-negotiables to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 08:32 PM
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biological sex differences I disagree they have to be biological. They can be sociological or sexual-economical as well, or a mix. The intrinsic source of the differences is irrelevant to a TRP mindset, all that matters is the acceptance that the differences exist and are the status quo. I posted a little more on that here: http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2la9lm/im_3_months_into_trp_and_this_is_what_ive_learned/clty95u
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 08:27 PM
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This information is useful to have in that it allows you to have a more-often accurate base set of assumptions about strangers. Obviously you replace those assumptions with observations of their behavior as time goes on, but this luxury isn't always possible. But the social explaination doesn't preclude this. You can still make those same assumptions about strangers based on gender if you find them useful. The only thing that changes is if you decide to sit around and ponder WHY they are the way…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 08:36 PM
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Again, I do. You keep restating what I'm saying. this post I was agreeing with your point by pulling out the quote where I agreed with you. I'll clarify: TRP responds to the existence of gendered expectations and a gendered society by focusing on individual responses to operating in one's own best interest inside that society. It is largely not concerned with changing that society because it sees such change as hopeless. This is a capitalist/descriptive approach. "The world is what it is, good o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 08:22 PM
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It's hard to make objective statements about what is and is not TRP canon in some cases. Different posters seem to believe different things. Honestly, from my perspective the debate about biology vs. society w.r.t. the source of gender normed enforcement is irrelevant to a TRP mindset. The only reason to have that debate is to rebut or support a tumblrista/marxist/normative approach to gender norms: meaning that if you advocate that gender norms need to be explicitly rebutted with social change,…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 07:52 PM
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feminism's response to that social programming is to encourage people to attempt to subvert it by acting outside it or attempt to change those social enforcements... gender role enforcements are bad or good, but says "Given that they exist and likely cannot be changed, how can I achieve the highest success within a society so deeply entrenched in these expectations".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 07:45 PM
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Men are vilified on the daily and it is just accepted. Women have no faults, men are the cause of war, ect. At the risk of invoking a scotsman, none of that stuff is really found in traditional academic feminist theory. It's a little bit in some fringe third- and fourth- wave theory but it's not widely accepted. In the same way people like elliot rodgers claim to be MRA's or redpillers but actually understand nothing about what those philosophies are actually about, tumblerista feminists that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 06:57 AM
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You say that as if there's some law that prohibits women from asking a guy out. I've had women hit on me, it's just far less common than the other way around, and the ones who do hit on me are the ones without a lot of options, so they know they have to take the initiative. It's far less common because there are social norms and social training against it. Obviously there is no law, but there's no explicit laws about ANY of our social norms around dating. I've met lots of women who WANT to be th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 10:37 PM
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equal before god provided they stay firmly in their god-given gender role, and in woman's case obey their husband. As far as I see it Redpillers don't believe that women should follow their gender roles or be locked into archaic social structures against their will. I've never interpreted that to be a core of TRP. In fact, quite the opposite: Terpers say that the ideal behavior of all people is based on voluntarily choosing behaviors that are in their own best interests. However, Both TRP and Fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 10:15 PM
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She knew my intentions but would still play with my emotions, wanting intimacy only after a guy screwed her over or she was lonely. A relationship where your 'partner' isn't meeting your needs. The last month of us dating she had gotten to the point where she was threatening to break up with me if we didn't set a date. Where your partner whips out ultimatums She eventually confessed to cheating on me with one of her coworkers 6 months earlier. Where your partner cannot be honest with you. Dan Sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 08:55 PM
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