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I still get a dopamine kick when I see my GF after five years. That's nonsense. Plus, in a good relationship, you also have something like a friendship with your partner and get along even if you don't count the romantic part
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 10:22 AM
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Bro just from these two comments of yours I think you will eventually find love. You sound both reasonable and kind. Keep the hopes up! I was in your shoes once and it worked out fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 04:40 PM
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"Source: I feel strongly about this"? I think this post just cherrypicks a frw scenarios that confirm that claim, but let's be realistic: The "leverage" you have in a relationship is simply that you could end it. That is true for men and women. Before women went to work, they however did not have that option in some instances, because they financially depended on their husband. But the only thing that changed is that this is balanced now. For example: I don't see why the "double standards" shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 04:10 PM
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I agree, but my point is that we have not enough data to indicate a trend. Such a shift in social dynamics cannot possibly happen within just one generation. To truly see how this developes, I'd argue you need to wait longer than our lifetime
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:59 PM
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I see where you're coming from, but I don't think this is necessarily going to as big of a problem as you think it is. Female empowerment is not that old, in many developed countries it's not even 2 generations old. Where I am from, my parents and all of my frienda had the classical roles (man being breadwinner and women taking care kf the kids). Within such a short timeframe, I'd never expect the social dynamics to change entirely. It makes sense that we experience the trends of the old system,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:46 PM
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I am under the impression you seriously do not understand my point at all. And it seems like I do not unserstand yours. Explain to.me again, how you come to the insane conclusion, that simply because I have sex, and because I do self improvement, that the self improvement is only done for sex? You are making this claim, so you have to prove it. If I had to prove every unhinged incel-take on this platform by altering my relationship, I'd probably soon have no relationship at all. Please don't mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 10:38 PM
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Yes I have, and yes I practise what I preach. I don't know what gives you the idea, that strictly because I have sex with her, all the effort I put into.self improvement must strictly be for sexual reasons? I am having sex now, but will I still have it once we are old? Probably not. Will I still make efforts then to be the best version of myself for her? Yes, absolutely. If I said to you that I sometimes eat ice cream with the spoons in my kirchen, would you then also conclude that the only reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 10:09 PM
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Have you ever been in a relationship? No, it's not sexual. Being more attractive to your partner is certainly a benefit, but so clearly not.the main point. I can give you an example: Self improvement is also a mental thing. You need to provide some sort of stability to your partner! If you really like someone, you want to be the best version of yourself for that person. If someone decides to spend the rest of her/his life with you, you better honor that choice! Even more if your partner does the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 09:43 PM
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I started self improvement way before I got into a relationship, not in order to "get love" (as you put it), but rather to be the best version of myself for my gf (once I had her). What people like OP never think about: You should apply the same logic to your partner. I appreciate the fact that my GF makes a great effort to look and be good to me, and I will mirror that every day for the rest of my life. The question is: Would you, OP, ever want to be with a woman that puts no effort into lookin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 08:39 PM
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I don't think that it is that simple. It is a different dynamic if you are in a group of people or alone with one. If you don't have many friends who you meet alone from time to time, then maybe it doesn't count that you have many. Also, you.may be a cool guy to hang around for other guys, but for women you are just insuffarable. Say you are someone who makes sexist jokes all the time, you might be popular among your guy friends, but not so much with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 01:35 PM
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Yeah man you nailed it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 08:12 PM
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Couldn't have said it better! But in hindsight, I also realise, that it would be f-ing egoistic and self centered to enter a relationship being unhappy with yourself. Like do you really want to make that your partners problem? No, if you genuinly want to have a relationship and be a gentleman, you have to get your shit together beforehand. I wanted (and I have) a relationship where we both function even at an individual level, and if one of us is hit with a crisis, the other one is stable enough…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 08:03 PM
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I think it depends on how you measure "worse". I feel like in recent years, everybody has some sort of competition going on for who is the biggest victim, and losing sympathy for others in the process. If you are young or old and alone, it sucks no matter who you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 07:47 PM
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It was a similar experience in my case, although I was never involved with red pill stuff. I was able to get into a relationship once I stopped worrying what kind of man I have to be for a hypotbetical girlfriend, but rather worked on becoming a man that I myself can respect. Once you reach that point, talking to women /dating and everytning else is easy, because rejection doesn't hurt a bit, and you can finally say about yourself "I have something to offer"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 07:36 PM
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Then we have an equal amount of lonely women, they are just older, maybe not as present on platforms like reddit, so they aren't publicly complaining about their fate. Makes sense, thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 07:01 PM
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I get you point, but then why is there such a difference in the discussions about how this fact applies to men or women? In that model, women have literally the same problem as men, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:58 PM
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That's what I suspected. I think the statistics are considering men amd women below 30 or something, but all the women who date 30+ men are negelcted
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:56 PM
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That's what I suspected. I think the statistics are considering men amd women below 30 or something, but all the women who date 30+ men are negelcted
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:56 PM
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But does that also mean you only count men below 30?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:54 PM
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Ah so the statistics refer to "has ever been or is in a relationship"? Then it would add up, yes
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:41 PM
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First of all, thank you for the detailed answer/explanation. I only have surface level knowledge on that topic and I apreciated your comment. However, since I've heard of this 80/20 rule, it only explains dating, but not relationships right? Those 80% of women going after 20% of the guys does mean that one guy within those 20% has multiple women going for him. So technically, only one woman will get into a relationship with the guy, leaving the rest as singles. My point is, does this mean that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:39 PM
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So basically there is the same amount of singles, but women are not unhappy with it? I agree on the second part mostly
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:32 PM
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Makes sense, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:31 PM
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But are we talking about relationships or dating? Like those women would qualify as single too
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:30 PM
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I am sorry to hear that. But does that mean you disagree and think that it is not a problem that one can solve individually, or do you just mean that it is difficult?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:29 PM
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I agree with that the problem is with society, but I think it is one of those problems that can be solved on an individual level nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:37 PM
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Was/Is that an option for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 10:57 AM
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Well it depends on where one draws the line, but dismissing my point by just calling me missinformed and then saying multiple times that I supposedly don't want to be educated is clearly an "ad hominem" argument. Maybe insult is a strong word here, but you are clearly not being constructive and go after me as a person, rather than attacking my argument
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 10:57 AM
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But was I wrong tho about what I said? You yourself talk about "the truth", and without any evidence for that "truth", it is just a random claim. So I am convinced that your "red pill truth" is backed up by some statistics. Hence critisizing the reliance on statistics is a valid point to raise, because it clearly is part of the red pill? And critisism without any suggestion of improvement is a 100% valid. You can point out flaws without attempting to fix them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 10:54 AM
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Well if you are able to critically think, it is generally good to read into all kinds of philosophies and not just stick with one. You mentioned that you filter a lot. That sounds good to me!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:55 PM
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Well of course I have my position, but I agreed with some comments that disagreed with my post. I put the discussion topic in the title and then gave you my opinion on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:53 PM
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Are we even disagreeing here? Do you truly believe that there only exist strategy A and strategy B, without any nuances to it? Like even your "Alternative" contains multiple approaches. You can try to be confident, but you can also be authentic if you have insecurities. You can either wait for a girl coming randomly to your life, or you can actively pursue dating. My point being: There is not a duality here, the matzer is more complex than just " A or B". That's why I asked what was meant by "th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:52 PM
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I almost fully agree with your point 1. Maybe it's better if you help them with the statistics yourself. There are a lot of bad apples omong content creators. I think we have to agree to disagree with point two. I do not think that certain goals and values are universal. My grandparents for example worked like dogs for their entire lives, eventho the had enough savings. I also doubt that sandy beaches would give me any fullfillment. I'd rather switched job for something that pays less, but is mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:47 PM
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I tried to pick some aspects that are really commonly found in red pill content, such as statistics, and a general direction of where you should be working towards
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:37 PM
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I tried to respond to all comments, and I agreed with some that dissagreed with my post. Even if 80% is a number based on a credible statistic, this does not mean that the woman you're having a date with thinks like that. Statistics do not make absolute statements about individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:36 PM
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If the person you recommend it too can think critically (as you clearly can), and is robust against cult-like internet communities, then yes, why not
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:33 PM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:31 PM
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Does it say that tho? I agree, this is advice that is common within the red pill. But anybody can post any advice and call it red pill. So recommending someone to the redpill is probably worse, than just give that piece of advice
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:31 PM
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I mean, if you literally see only two options for philosophies for the entire social dynamic between men and women, I think the best approach for you might be working on your creativety.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:29 PM
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Couldn't agree more. Even the name "red pill" is a metaphor for knowing the unpleasant truth. So you can post all kinds of things, calling it red pill, not getting fact checked, and god forbid if someone dissagrees with you, he is just not accepting the hurtful truth
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:27 PM
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The first art of my post about statistics is my response to that. If the information you have is of statistical nature, it does not provide deterministic information about an individual. You think you get information, but in the field (on a date), the information will not help you. If anything, you will go to a date and be biased.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:25 PM
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Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:23 PM
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This comment is a good example of why I think people have terrible intuition about statistics. "Women" do not want anything, they don't have a hive mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:23 PM
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Agreed, it helps even if you are not trying to improve dating. It is just good for body and mind
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:21 PM
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That's a good approach
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:21 PM
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Whatever floats your boat man. Using the term "bitchless" sounds like you're frustrated and not really happy about women, so maybe the red pill made it worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:21 PM
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Well, I mean, such cases may exist, you're right
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:19 PM
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That is pretty sad, but in a weird way I agree. I just think your terminology is a bit weird. You don't have to see yourself as trash. Nobody has the power to objectively decide who is high value or not. You can determine how you want to evaluate yourself and others. So I guess if giving in to your incel-side makes you happy... I wouldn't recommend it tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:18 PM
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I don't know that field enough to dissagree or agree with you on that, but thanks for adding this point to the conversation!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:16 PM
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I agree, and I didn't think you were being flippant!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:15 PM
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My response to your comment was literally me asking you to elaborate further, because I wanted to understand your position. All you did was insulting me. But I guess this is what it takes to not get a bubble popped. Have it your way man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:14 PM
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That ties in to the first part of my post. It is likely that what I said is completely wrong for the Red Pill as you define it. Many people would classify the red pill as an ideology. But, yes, I guess you're right within your definitions, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:12 PM
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Rergarding your first point: Obviously Statistics are a good thing in the hands of people who know how to use them, and I guess you're one of them. But even you have to admit, that most people do not have a good intuition for it. Most often, they just look at the average (instead of considering variance), do not critically evaluate the method, sample size, or anything else. Would you recommend using statistics to the general public, knowing that they cannot use it? Would you recommend it to ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 09:10 PM
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That is exactly why I wrote the first part. You do exactly what I predicted. My version of the red pill is not the true red pill, I am making strawman, but you refuse to correct me or inform me what the red pill actually is, because that would make you vulnerable to critisisim. The two things I critisized in my post are so widely spread in red pill content that even yoh can't deny it. Statistics about women / men are so heavily used. And the concept of becoming a high value man is also something…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 08:25 PM
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That is exactly why I wrote the first part. You do exactly what I predicted. My version of the red pill is not the true red pill, I am making strawman, but you refuse to correct me or inform me what the red pill actually is, because that would make you vulnerable to critisisim. The two things I critisized in my post are so widely spread in red pill content that even yoh can't deny it. Statistics about women / men are so heavily used. And the concept of becoming a high value man is also something…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 08:22 PM
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My entire point was that there are no "rules" in that sense. The rules you refer to are just statistics, and yes, if you follow them you optimize in a way that you can be with the maximum amount of girls. But it you are on a date, statistics don't matter anymore, because you are sitting in front of an individual. And rather than focusing on what works on "most women", you'd be better of by adapting your strategy to match what she likes, or, god forbid, actually try to enjoy the date and have fun…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 08:18 PM
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Can you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 08:10 PM
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Thanks, I guess I got lucky. But I didn't mean to brag or something, I just wanted to say that either exceptions to the rule exist, or the rule is not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 08:09 PM
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I phrased that badly, but I thought it was implied in the title: Somebody who has no trouble witg dating, doesn't need recommendations or any help whatsoever. You only need to recommend it to people who have lroblems with it. My bad!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 08:06 PM
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I have a feeling that it is only still around because it offers an easy excuse if you don't get the girl: It's the system that is wrong, or women are wrong, but not you!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 08:04 PM
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What is the alternative? I don't think there only exist two philosophies about dating and gender issues. So the by alternative, you mean "not recommending the red pill" leads you nowhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 08:03 PM
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Fair enough!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 07:42 PM
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Exactly. Every hour spent watching red pill content is an hour not spent working on actual social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 07:42 PM
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Yes, and this makes it really hard to identify who is actually in a position to give good advice for dating. Anybody can publish "red pill content", but how many of them ever left their keyboard, and built a meaningful relationship with a girl? You have no way of telling. Some might have, others not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 07:41 PM
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Yeah I think the main advantage here is that books like those actually provide a coherent frame for a mindset/philosophy, where as anybody can publish in the name of any pill, which really waters them down
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 07:37 PM
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I see. Thanks for clarifying. I myself think that I am blue pilled (although I dissagree with that terminology) and I think I am an example that doesn't match your observation. I am definitly not handsome and live in a rather small appartment, all based of a mediocre income. I still have a GF and live in a happy relationship tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 06:59 PM
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I am not a big fan of those influencers anyway, but I meant it just as an example to demonstrate that at least among the influencers, it doesn't seem like what you described in your post is true. But that's besides the point. I just wanted to know why you are under this impression.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 06:40 PM
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Where did you get that data from? Or how did you get to that conclusion? Most Red Pill Influencers I've seen for example are exactly from the group that you think has the most blue pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 06:34 PM
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The problem I see with that prediction is mainly: Is there really a market for solutions like that? I mean, AI and other things we have are cool and all, but so far nothing exists that could replace a real relationship. If there was a high tech solution, as always, it would be expensive at first, so the target market would be rich people. But if you are rich, chances are high that you have the option of actually having a relationship with an attractive women. You can afford plastic surgery and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 05:34 PM
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I have a bunch of friend-groups an nobody is the leader in that. I have lived in an apartment with a couple other students back then, and nobody was the leader. I don't see why OP makes the connection to companies (which have hierarchies). There is no evidence that whatever works in industry works in private relationships as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 05:25 PM
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I've seen plenty of men who are terrible at managing their money or their life in general. Maybe at some point something tragic happens to me and I lose control of my life too. In all of these scenarios, it is benefitial to have a woman by your side who has your back, and can carry the burden of providing for the family as well. I think redudancy benefits everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 05:19 PM
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I think it is the other way around: Those men you describe often have more confidence, because theirr traits are seen as attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 05:15 PM
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Just as you pointed out how the term "nice" has been "hijacked" and is missunderstood, I think you (OP) on the other hand missinterpret the "assholes" (or the opposite of what you see as a nice guy). Let's say you are truly nice and wholesome and not behaving like the "nice guys" from the memes. Say you are are genuinly prioritzing other peoples comfort without wanting something in return. This makes you probably someone nice to have around, but clearly you'd not be suitable for more than that. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 11:01 AM
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This just seems like an attempt to discredit the people who dissagree with you. And if you think about it, the same argument could be made about men, or about any group that you belong too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:09 AM
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Yes, one has to consider that the new gender roles (women voting, being educated and having a career) is a model that hasn't really been tested for a long time. I mean it is not even 2 generations since it started (depending from where you count). Of course, a change like that has consequences for men and women, but it is hard to say what those are. Just to be clear, I am in favour of this change, it would be a waste and u fair to not include 50% of all people in politics, academia and industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:56 PM
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I think there is a difference between letting some steam off and complain about a bad encounter with a woman. It may be healthy to process that. I think OP meant more the generalized statements about "females" and the "we live in a society" stuff, which clearly isn't healthy. It is simply whining and playing the victim. Since your argument also contains the the claim that women are the original "gendered complaining groups": (Given that this is true) It means you agree that "gendered complaining…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:51 PM
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I don't think it is true that women "do all the selecting". That would imply that men don't select at all. Come on, you don't want to sleep / have a relationship with every girl...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:51 PM
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Bro I had a similar experience, I once tried to help a "blackpilled" guy, and holy moly those people really are in a dark place. It seems to me that they justify their sad view on the world exactly by the fact that it is sad and painful. No matter what you say, it is always "you just don't understand the bitter truth, or you don't want to understand because it is bitter". But funnily enough, the reverse is true: As you said, those people need to put in the work, and THAT is the bitter truth. Not…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 10:02 AM
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Yeah I think he missunderstood. You meant "cutting someone from your life" in a non-disgusting way right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 09:53 AM
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This is what I needed to learn, and it took me a while to intuitively get it: When I got closer with a "Stacy", I eventually realised the even she, and almost every woman on the planet are insecure and have to overcome it. In general, people who appear confident just mask it well. As you said, girls do not play the dating game on easy mode. They can be kind of awkward too and struggle with similar things as us men. And as you said, the average woman cannot get that high above her looks, unless s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 09:52 AM
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I think he understood your comment in a way that you like about online dating, that you can ghost people and similar things. I assume you meant that after you said to a guy that you are not interested, you have a layer of protection to no get yourself a stalker or someone who is obsessed about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 09:47 AM
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I think the answer to that is different from person to person. Teenage years are the time where you are confronted with the question of "who are you" and "who do you wnat to be", and I think for some it is vital to explore relationships and intimacy, for others not. And some find out pretty early who they are and those are the couples that stay together. I know a bunch of couples who started their relationship in their teenage years, and are still together. I also know a bunch of people who met …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 09:39 AM
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Agreed. I use to really love his lectures abour psychology, back when it was not all about politics
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 04:08 AM
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I didn't know Jordan Peterson is "red pilled"? He often says that if you can't get a date, you have to work on yourself ("If not a single woman likes you, maybe there is something wrong with You"), which is probably redpill-ish, but he doesn't blame "society and woman", ehich is something you often hear redpillers complain about. Peterson is also having more of a longterm solution in mind, he often talks about marriage and having kids, while Tate is more short term "sex" oriented. Which of these…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 02:49 PM
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This was fun to read. Thanks! I agree. Most of the people you mentioned are just good at convincing idiots and have noving else to offer
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 10:16 AM
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Isn't this reeeeally depending on what the couple agrees on?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 09:39 PM
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So does what I am saying make sense now? The average is not always in the center, that is a fact, but not easy to grasp for some people for some reason
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 12:56 PM
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And how about women rating men? I bet the average is smaller than five. What I say is 100% true, look up the definition of average. If it is a erfect bell curve, sure, the the average is 5, but my point is: It doesn't have to be a 5. Depending on where OP lives etc it might entierly be possible that the average girl is a 7. Probably that is true if wr take OP's subjective rating of women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 12:42 PM
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I think people missunderstand the term "average", including you. The average is not always in the center. In this post for example: It is entirely possible that the average woman is a 7/10. If few women get a low rating, and many a high rating, 5 will probably not be the average.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 11:25 AM
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These "high value men" according to your definition exist even without people putting in the grind: If you have super rich parents, it can happen that all those factors are just handed to some men. Money is a no-brainer, but they can also afford plastic surgery, high education, and because those kids are not depending on the income of a job, they have plenty of time to properly work out. In that scenario, they didn't pit in the sacrifice you mentioned, and therefore have the same basis to stay l…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 09:33 AM
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In significantly higher rates than below?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:15 PM
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It is importanr to the redpillers that is has no clear definition. Because everytime you attack the concept, the answer you get is "well that's not what an alphamale is"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:13 PM
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I hears that tbis alpha beta male stuff is like zodiac signs for men. It is a dumb concept to begin with, there are no clear definitions to it, and tk my knowledge no scientific evidence that it makes sense to categorize men into those groups. If there exists a paper/ scientific publication with a crystal clear definition of what criteria identify an alpha, a measurement of those criteria on a significant amount of people (men and women), with a result demonstrating two peaks (alpha and beta) am…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:09 PM
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I think the people you talk about are the exception, and most love relationships are unconditional. My reasoning: Once you get old, I think some of the critetia you mentioned occur almost guaranteed. Particularly health will decline, and still old couples stick together until one of them dies. If what you said was true, people would get divorced like mad above 60. The idea that love is conditional is probably due to confirmation bias. If a functioning couple survives a crisis together (and stays…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 11:33 AM
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And did you invest everything to get a high value woman? (Not marry her, just having a relationship?)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 12:47 PM
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Do you have anything to vack uo those claims? The first one sounds reasonable, but I doubt that the claim significantly changes once you swap genders in the stematement. The second point I don't believe at all. And as for the last one, I don't think it is inherently true, I think it is more a necessity from times when most jobs involvef manual labour.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 12:45 PM
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I have a reason why: If you want a family and want to be a decent father figure. You can't be scattered around in all your affairs, have a high-paying job AND be there for your kids
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 11:23 AM
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OP, i have a follow up question: Does this apply the other way around too? Do you think men have a price tag like that as well, if the woman is "high value enough"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 11:18 AM
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Did you marry a "high value woman" (according to your defintion) OP? And did you "work hard and spend every penny you have" to be able to attract a "top tier" woman? I think the idea of high value is mostly subjective. Particularly in what you said about women is mostly true for dating success (whatever that means), but I doubt that beauty is a predictor of how long a relationship lasts. I do not think that the same holds up for your idea of a "high value man" either. I bet you could find statsi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 07:49 AM
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I am almost sure that OP rarely ever left the US. The post clearly indicates the mindset of "there is the USA, an there is the rest". I don't think you can cite one statistic to make a statement that should hold for the entire test of the world. I mean sure, the divorce rate between american men and foreign women who have no financial means to get divorced is low, but I doubt that you could see an effect in for example a US-Canadian marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 04:34 PM
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I don't really think the axioms are the fundamental problem (although they contribute), but rather the definitions of terms. The most obvious example is the definition of "Red Pill". It happens so often, that when somebody critisizes it, the answer is "ahh you just don't know enough about the red pill". Other terms are very openly formulated too. It is often not specified whether someone is talking about the US, the West in general or the world. The term "success in dating" is also vastly differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 02:26 PM
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You see the irony in calling yourself redpilled in that scenario? The name suggests that you know the unpleasant truth, so thete would technically be no reason to look at another data set if you were truly redpilled. In my experience, if you critisize the red pill, the response is not "asking for data", but rather the claim "well, what you attack is not truly the redpill". This is so frustrating, because then, every single argument you make is technically a strawman. And this works because there…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 03:39 PM
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Agreed. "The red pill" is literaly a reference to "knowing the painful reality" from the matrix movies. That's why I think people who call themselfs that often lost the ability to critically rethink some of their opinions. And people who call themselfs blue pillers obviously do that just to wave the flag of "I oppose the red pill fully", and deny by default anything a redpiller says. All of this may not apply to every single one of the Rp Bp people, but it is clearly the trend
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 04:34 PM
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I think the way you phrased that demonstrates very well why these debates are inherently doomed to fail. People tend to have a really bad grasp at statistics. It is not that either side is right and has a clear idea of reality, it is rather that both are right to some extent. "Women do that", "Men do this" is stupid to say, there is variance in the behaviour of both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 04:30 PM
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Lol I think the point of this post is to force redpillers to think about the women's perspective, and I think it is spot on. Well done OP! I always wonder the same thing, whether RP views also apply mother/sisters/daughters of redpillers...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 11:42 AM
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I mean yes, as I said I think it boils down to your definition of success
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 06:01 PM
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Since this is a CMV, I would like to counter what you just said, by questioning the definition of what it means to have "Success in dating". Since you claim that RP tactics increase that success, it is important to think about ehat this means. If your defintion of success is sleeping with the woman, then you might be correct with your post. However, since you've been engaged before, I take it that you are a bit like me and may be looking for a girl that will make you happy in the long term. If s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 03:28 PM
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Most people are real Source: Dates
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 12:02 PM
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I don't have/want sex with my male friends, and I still think it is good to maintain the relationship with them. Even if at times I have to give more than I receive, because if I am down myself, someone will have my back. As for ronantic relationships, it is the same, plus sex... I don't know what you mean by "we literally don't need each other". Maybe you don't need everybody, but you need at leadt one reliable person in your life, and that is usually a parent while xou grow up, and then the ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 11:25 AM
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I think the nurturing role and the decision making is something that should be 50/50 anyway. And both partners should try to contribute 60%. I personally think that men who want a woman as OP describes her, simply do not want to carry the entire weight of the relationship. For me, I am not attracted physically to women like that, however, it is something I wanted for my relationship, simply because I want to be able to rely on my GF. I am glad she has a carreer and good decision making skills. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 11:11 AM
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Ah sorry, I didnt know that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 07:45 PM
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Yeah I challebge OP to a more extrem view of what he already believes
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 06:10 PM
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I fully agree, and I would even go further: What OP described is not only befeitial for you, but also for you partner. Because if you make your happiness depend on them, you are essentially a burden. It is not fair going into a relationship with the hope of your GF/BF fixing your problems for you. Be happy on your own. Find someone who is the cherry on top, and be the cherry on top for them!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:54 PM
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I mean I get that you are frustrated, but I don't get the point of this post to be honest
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 01:52 PM
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Thank you for that answer, I always appreciate it deeply if somebody doesn't mind the effort to write a longer response. I also get where you're coming from, the red pill certainly is not only for basement dwellers / neckbeards etc. This prejudice is both frustrating for red pillers (as they get taken less seriously) and for non red pillers, because if you argue with someone about the red pill, they tend to immediatly say "well, you just understand the true red pill". It is technically impossibl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:25 AM
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I think statistically, it is absolutely normal. If it is any of any help: I also had no experiences like that with 21. I started putting more effort into dating shortly after that, and am in a happy relationship now for almost 4 years. You can PM me if you want to know how I managed to get into a relationship, I don't want to post it publicly here. It might really help you too!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 06:51 AM
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I agree and even would like to add: Almost all of the bad traits that "women have" according to the red pill, are things that practically every man has too. Like how can you blame women for preferring a "Chad" over you, while most men would literally chose a super model over a less attractive, but very sweet girl in a heartbeat. Or the accusation that attractive women behave like whores in their 20ies, but then settle down in their 30ies, potentially with a kid. To claim moral highground over th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 06:20 AM
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In my language there is a good metaphor for what I have to say: Often, modern couples are like ass cheeks: They split because of every shit. I don't know whether thid works in english too lol. However, my advice: Be a little forgiving towards your partner. Because eventually, they will make a mistake. And so will you. Especially here on reddit, there are a lot of posts like "My Bf/Gf did [generic minor thing]" and the comments all recommend to split up. I think that is just unhealthy. I'd like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 04:15 PM
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But is that the only motivation? Why is traditional marriage not enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 06:00 AM
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By the way, may I ask you why you want super marriage to be a thing? You wrote and specified how that would work, but what problems would that address and what would it improve?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 05:57 AM
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That sounds like a fun idea. I would love to see how this concept changes the movie industry. Now, in cheesy soap operas, the highlights would be that someone super-proposes etc... In the real world, this would probably tempt people to more carelessly marry, because "you are not really committed u less you super marry" Id love to have someone super propose to me one day
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 05:50 AM
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Critical thinking and even the scientific method are just mental tools, and as for real tools, there are situations where it is good to apply them and situations where it is not. You don't solve every problem with a hammer, you know what I mean? In dating, it is probably not too benefitial to use critical thinking too much. A lot of "dating skills" are not situations where you should use that tool. For example, having a good conversation with your date. You' answers and inputs to the conversatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 05:18 AM
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I dissagree, you don't always have that first interaction where you don't know anything about a person. For example, think abaut your classmates back in school: Did you introduce yourself to each of them 1 by 1? No, you maybe said hi to one or two, but most of them you were able to observe a bit before you interacted. With group hobbies, it is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 04:21 PM
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Yeah, it is even better for you! If you cold approach a woman, you basically have no information about her besides her looks. But if you make an effort to actually get to know a woman before even thinking about dating her, everything gets easier. If you click through a mutual hobby or something, you play dating on "easy mode". I am not a particularl, handsome guy and women always ignored me, but once I spent more time with one it lead to a relationship rather quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 01:05 PM
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I think there is a big missconception about the "immunity to rejection". The goal is not being rejected by so many women, that you don't feel anything anymore, because it is "just one more rejection". The goal is to fix your life and get to a point where you are happy with yourself. Then, even if it is the first and only woman you ever approach, the rejection should not hit that hard, because your happiness does not depend on her. People who struggle with rejections often do not have great self …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 08:41 AM
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The comment confused the terms "average" and "median". The average is not defined to have 50% of men below average. Imagine measuring among a group of ten men. 9 of them are a 7, 1 of them is an 8. Clearly, the average is 7.1, and therefore 90% are below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 09:39 AM
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I mean this in the most respectful way, but you are objectively wrong with that statement, unless you have a completely different definiton of "average" than every scientist in the world. I give you an example: Let's say you have a measurment of "attractiveness" of a sample of 10 men. 9 of those men are rated a "7", one of them is rated to be an "8". The average man in that group is therefore a (79 +81)/10, which is a "7.1". Therefore, 90% of men in that group are below average. I hope you can s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 09:37 AM
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You are spot on OP, a lot of people do not know how to properly interpret data, and how a slight redefinition of one term can completely alter the result of a study.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 09:09 AM
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My point is more that even adult women in anime do often not behave like adults and act like irrational teenagers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 12:44 PM
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Lol the idea that they are irrational teenagers is probably coming from lonely dudes who exclusively know women from fiction/anime
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 09:42 AM
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To be honest, the worst part about the red pill is that it attempts to make a science out of dating and then treats it like a strategy game. This seems to leads to men just sitting at home and theorizing "how things are", listening to podcasts and yt videos and getting increasingly bitter. The truth here is that you just have to gain experience and actually go out. I am a not particularly attractive man, women always ignored me, but at some point I just said fuck it and started asking girls out.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 09:41 AM
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The underlying message here is "I am funny and respectful to women, why won't they pick me?" and then OP explains his thoughts to it. The main problem I have with it: I have met countless people who say/think they are funny, but they really aren't to me. Like maybe amomg their friends they are with insider humor, but otherwise they entirely fail to "read the room and adjust their jokes. This could apply to anybody who thinks about themselfs as "funny". "Being unfunny" is the same thing about stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 01:55 PM
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I personally think it is not women, but rather social media and the internet in general, which made both men and women less socially skilled. Like I think some people literally forget how to interact with others. Maybe the higher standards of (some) women are originating from that as well, since they literally forget what normal men look like. But to account for the "CMV" of the post: It affect's men too. I have had the pleasure to interact with some red pillers and they seem to me completely de…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 01:04 PM
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Europe too, 25
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 05:53 PM
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It doesn't match with my experience, do you have any evidence for this? And chosing not to count data is confirmation bias! The vast majority of women I met are nice / as OP describes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 01:42 PM
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Good for you man! Congrats!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 09:57 AM
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Well I guess everybody has a little confirmation bias. I don't even know a woman who is NOT like the decent women OP describes. All women in my family are decent/loyal/etc, all the ones I am friends with (including all former classmates) and all the GFs of my friends (and mine as well). But maybe it depends on where you're from, what dating culture looks like in your country etc. Does the negatove archetype of women apply to most of the women in your life? Like your mom, your grandma, your frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 09:38 AM
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The answers here are peak "confirmation bias": Every women who is decent and acts as OP describes "doesn't count" for some reason lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 08:37 AM
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Speak for yourself man, I want to be a father one day, and for that I prefer to be with one woman for the rest of my life
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 07:08 AM
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Sounds like an aweful person! You did right not to be with her. Sadly, women like that exist. But this example, or many others do not confirm that they are all like that. Like I am sure you know some guys who are assholes right? Does that automatically make you an asshole? Nope, because all people are different. I have met women like the one from your story, and they are horrible. But I have also met some great woman and eventually I formed a relationship with one. I wish you from the bottom of …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 01:22 PM
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Sure
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 12:48 PM
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Have you actually interacted with a women before?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 12:39 PM
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Bro you don't have to be with a woman that doesn't give back! I am not saying all women are wonderful. But the one I chose to be with sure is! And she is doing her part. We split the bills, do equal amounts of hours of house work, and support each other. That is not some sort of psychological effect. "Amount of hours worked in the household" and "money paid on expenses" is an objectively measureable quantity. If your girl is different than that, then yes, maybe you are getting exploited lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 11:34 AM
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Neither is true: "All women" are not universally bad or good, each has their strengths and weaknesses. Just find one that is compatibale with your strength and weaknesses!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 11:31 AM
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I mean I see the point, but if what OP describes is truly the redpill, it might be good advice for single men. But this is certainly not a good mindset for maintaining a relationship. You do a lot of work for your girl/wive, but she will do the same for you! Don't marry a lazy girl or one that takes advantage of you. I see no harm to put effort into a relationship if it is mutual.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 07:47 AM
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I think it is more that men do not realise that women have to work out too to stay in shape. And that is not only for physical attractiveness. For both genders, sex gets a lot better if they have some stamina and endurance
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 04:28 PM
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What if I tell you that women also have to work out to stay in shape? Plus the make up. Plus more areas that they are expected to shave, plus a more dofficult wardrobe?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 03:08 PM
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I agree with OP, but came here to add another, similar observation. I think sitcoms and other entertainment media corrupts peoples worldview similarly as porn does. Porn mainly gives men a distorted view about sex and women. Sitcoms do the same for friendships and dating. Lete explain: In series like the big bamg theory, friends, himym etc you always have a group of friends who stick together no matter what. But in reality, you actually have to put effort in maintaining any relationship. About t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 10:40 AM
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My condolences, that sounds horrible and you deserve better. And I get how something like that can leave a foul taste in your mouth when you think back to the moments of true love. But the point of the discussion is whether you experienced true love or not, right? So if you ask your ex wife "was it all real?" it implies at least that it felt like it to you. So technically you experienced this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 07:45 AM
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Bro no offense, but have you been in a relationship before? "Pussytrapping" and "tightening the leash" is not a standard practise among women at all. My original point was, that in my experience, the majority of men have/are/will experience true love, because all the couples I know have or have had that. Even the divorced ones said that the love was real when they originally began dating. Feelings can change you know? One couple I know divorced after their firstborn child drowned in a river, whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 06:26 AM
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I don't know about the scenario of your head cinema about the divorce, but I assume that she says this to hurt the man, which doesn't invalidate her previous love confession? I don't see the point. If I came up with the same example, but the second time the couple is retired and watching the sunset, and she says "I still love you"... I don't know, fictional examples don't really make a point here. About the historically highest divorce rate: That makes it exactly the best generation to prove my …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 09:04 PM
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I actually agreed with the title of the post (most human beings not being capable of relationships), but for entirely different reasons. As you said, every single person has some baggage/quirks/... I think rge core issue is the fact that people (women and men) expect their partners to overlook their quirks and love them for who they are, while at the same time not heing able to look past some bad things of their partners. I have literally friends who have some serious issues, but they are soooo …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 02:47 PM
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Do you have any evidence for that? My intuition says that the majority of men (or at least a significantly big part), at least in the west, will or has experienced it. Think about the generation of our parents. I since we don't have forced marriage in the west, I would argue that for most of these couples. Love was involved at least at some point. Regarfung our generation: We have no reason to believe the "bad dating market" will be like this when we are 10 years older.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 02:40 PM
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OP, I am curious to hear your opinion about the following: Does a man's opinion matter if he attempts to give dating advice to women? Like the reverse scenario? Aren't we men as delusional as you described women in your post too? Also, I am not sure if you really are ready for a relationship with that attitude. If you see women that way, how can you ever be with one over a long time without respecting her point of view? The above question is about that essentially. Isn't what you describe in you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 09:11 AM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:02 PM
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I think that is an interesting thought OP. Replacing our virtues with mechanisms that orevent the bad consequences is technically what happened. What I wanted to point out is where we go from here: I think either we turn back to the old virtues and remove some technology from our lives, or (an this is much more likely) new virtues naturally emerge that deal with the dangers and negative consequences of technology.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 06:24 AM
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Thanks OP, I appreciate you taking time to write this longer post and motivating your statement this much in detail. I agree that nobody makes the argument that men are entitled to sex, and it is mostly a strawman argument (although you might be able to find some incels who do think they're entitled, but they don't speak for everyone). I commented here because I wanted to ask you: The statistoc you provided which displays how women' perception of male attractiveness is much more harsh than the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 06:20 PM
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Mods on these reddits are weird with what they tolerate and what not. I had similar experiences as you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 05:27 PM
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Oh wow I didn't expect such a long response. If I might add something: You stated some reasons that gave rise to the current standards. I actually blame moderns sitcoms to a large part. Things like how I met your mother glorify hook up culture to a big extent
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 04:57 PM
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Sent you one. I have a work thing, but after that, I am there for you to talk if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:26 PM
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Bro can I DM you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:18 PM
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You are probably right with the chicken and egg thing, it is hard to tell if your mindset is the origin of the negative dating experience you had, or the other way around. You may not believe me but I actually feel for you and can relate to some extent, and it makes me sad to see that you've given up. But I guess challenging your mindset won't help in the slightest, you've probably already put me in the category of "some asshole from reddit" and don't really care what I have to say. So, and this…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:12 PM
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I mean you can either be miserable about it, or actually try to find a solution. How many women have you met and formed a connection too? Just a handful? Well then chances are you just haven't met the right one. A couple more? Maybe you lack social skills. If you seriously believe it is a good thing that porn leads to fewer interactions with women, it means you have given up trying and seriously believe it isn't worth it at all. With that mindset, why would anyone wanna date you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:05 PM
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Yes, that was my point actually. I was saying if love wouldn't matter, them people could just pay for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 01:44 PM
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I am not comolaining about the lack of these posts, I wanted to figure out why those posts are not that popular. I have never seen a single post of a woman talking about her BF.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 12:54 PM
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I am not against porn, don't get me wrong. But I think it is wrong to believe that porn ever substitues a women, and working towards a reltionship is worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 12:12 PM
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I feel you for the second part of your comment, and I can see why beung a virgin at that age leads to the desire for sex as a mechanism to see that you are desirable. But I don't think you are correct with the first part. If you genuinly spent time with women outside dating, you also learn how to interact with them. And dating is certainly not the only way to get into a relationship. If you spend time with someone outside of dating, a mutual attraction/love can occur naturally. I think you are a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 12:11 PM
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I really dissagree that the advatnages and disadvantages cancel out. You might have been with the wring type of women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 12:00 PM
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I am under the impression that we are on the same page. Nice! It depends so much on the context. Also, I think in a functioning relationship you can talk about the topic, and agree on what is ok and what not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 11:58 AM
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Exactly. If love is not a factor, they could just pay for sex lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 11:53 AM
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So you think I am a feminist and am dismissive of red pill ideas? That was not at all my intention with the post, and I do not associate myself with any feminist movement. I see how many young men on this sub seem to be deeply unhappy, and I also see the topics they talk about. I think there is a connection between the two things.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 11:52 AM
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So no empriical scientific data, just your own, possibly biased, perception of the world? So if I say "my experience/perception of the situation is different than yours", is that an argument that changes your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 11:49 AM
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Yeah, sorry if that came out wrong, I do see the benefits of sex, but I think it should not be the end goal. And particularly "losing your virginity" should not be so highly valued.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 11:35 AM
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Thabks for the reply, but I don't get why you suddenly bring up feminists and redpill?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 11:29 AM
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Glad to read that and see that you agree! so it is not only me seeing it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 11:27 AM
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Sorry mate I am not sure I understand your point correctly. My point was that Person B in your example may be focused on the wrong aspects of meeting women, which manifests in B only posting about dating markets and sex on PPD. Where are you getting the "Oh, that's unfortunate. Let's talk together about how happy I am."- Part from? Also, if you are B in that example and need someone to talk to, let me know.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 11:26 AM
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Yeah right? I met my GF withou ever having to "prove myself" to her in a date or in bed. I remember in my teenage years, my father advised me to "get dancing lessons or something like that" if I wanted a GF. Just spend time with women in your freetime, there is no need for cold approaching and Tinder etc. Why is this not the standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 11:22 AM
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Good advice mate
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 11:16 AM
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Maybe I can say something here that is interesting to you: I think the comparison between sex and porn is a bit of a stretch, or comparing apples to pears so to speak. For the guy, both acts as "sexual relief", so I there is a parallel. But in sex, there is much more physical effort involved, but if you watch porn, you can fully relax. So I think for a meaningful comparison between the two, you should compare watching porn more to getting a BJ from you, or any other form of intimacy where he can…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 11:15 AM
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First of all: Who hurt you? Also, once you actually are with a woman, you will realize that porn is not able to substitute the real thing at all, and I don't even mean that regarding sex only. Having a relationship is such a nice thing! And it is worth working towards it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 11:04 AM
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I think you will have a hard time dating if you think the way OP thinks. There no inherent "value" to men or women. You can't just assign "high value" and "low value" to people for a general case. These "values" change depending on the perception and personal preference of your partner. You may be a low value man for some girl, but you have exactly the trait that another girl finds attractive. If you think of yourself as "low value" man, all it does is shattering your self esteem, all based on a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 10:58 AM
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OP do you have any evidence of that claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 10:29 AM
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I think the fact that Tate talked about self improvement is not a justification for the bad things he said, nor does it weigh his entire person to be a "net positive". The way I see it, self improvement is something that is not exlusively "his teaching" and can be found in many many many other speakers as well. Speakers, who are not saying terrible things as he did. I think his existence in the internet did more damage to men in general. His fame and success is not something you can replicate if…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 10:28 AM
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That's a wrong conclusion of what I said. If my statement was "All ravens are black" and the same reverse logic you used would be applied, the result would be "All things that are not ravens are not black", which is clearly not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:31 PM
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Ah yes I mean you could use the arguments that I brpught up to discredit him. I am simply saying it was not my intention, and I also meant no offense to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:29 PM
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That is a good point, educational does not imply scientific, but for the claims you made, I think it applies. How women behave in reality is not something you can figure out from thought alone and also not something that depends on your opinion. And if you want to make claims that generalize female behaviour, I think you do need to back it up by data
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:27 PM
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I don't know about OP's thesis, but I think OP has some reasonalbe points here. I don't think hot=stupid! But: If you are hot, it will be a factor for some men to pursue you and try to date you. Hence, you unintentionally attract men that do not value you as a person at all. This is not the womens fault of course! But I've heard stories of what some men do to get an attractive women into bed (telling them how much the, love them etcetc), just to leave them afterwards. I can imagine that being at…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:10 PM
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I never really understood why this is a bad thing. Good looks get you laid more easily, yes, but even good looking dudes need to put effort into a stable relationship. Looks fade, and if you only rely on that, while still not wanting to die alone, you have to do a bit of work. If your GF/Wife doesn't do the same, you are with the wrong girl. Every functioning relationship I know i volves two people putting in some work. If I understand OP correctly, the issue is that a less attractive guy must i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:58 PM
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I do not want to imply that his observations are made up or anything, but I think it is a reasonable distinction to make between "Here is a scientific result, let's discuss!" And "Here is my experience with women, let's discuss!" Both can be the basis for a discussion, but we need to know where OP got this stuff from
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:51 PM
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Ok thank you for clarifying. Again, I do not mean to discredit your observations.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:36 PM
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I am not agreeing or dissagreeing at all, I simply wanted to know how credible your claim is. I mean yes, you can derive conclusions from any set of data, no matter how small it is. But if it is just your experience, what you provide is from a statistically not so significant data set, plus we have to assume there is personal bias involved. So I think you went a bit far by saying your claims are educational. My intention here is not to discredit you, but I wanted to know if the basis of the disc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:22 PM
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And how does you having crushes on girls translate to the claim you make about their dating preference? Do you have amy data to back up you post? If you base this on your experience, it is hardly educational, because: 1. I highly doubt that you actually knew at those times how the dating choices of women were motivated. You based it on your impressions and traits of men that you thoight were the reason for the dating preference. In reality, women might have all different reasons for their dating…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:10 PM
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Hey man no offense, but if you say this is supposed to be "educational", I think you need to at least justify where you're getting all of this from. Do you have any evidence for this? Is it based on your experience? I am really curious where you get that "prepubescent dating" data from, and I am quite frankly a bit creeped out by this. They are children, I see no reason to include this in a study about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:57 PM
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It may also be possible that he is not able to maintain a stable relationship, and that the rule os not "ditch them at 25", but rather "date women in their early 20ies". And he just wasnt able to keep them for longer in a relationship with him
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 01:13 PM
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Another problem with the red pill is the idea that people who dissagree with it just haven't "redearched enough". I heard this so many times. And yes, I couln't have said it better. The self improvement part is not something the red pill can claim for them
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 09:27 AM
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I don't understand why this even shpuld be a discussion. It is entirely up to you. If sex is necessary for you in a relationship, then so be it. Other people might think differently. I mean you even wrote that in your post "exceptions are asexual people and low libido pairs". So essentially: You think sex is important in a relationship if the people in it want it? What is there to change on that view? It is like saying meat is an essential dish, except for people who don't like it and vegeterian…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 08:42 AM
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I hearf somewhere that in a functioning relationship both aim to do 60% of the work. I don't mind cleaning up after my GF from time to time, because I know she does the same for me. If you have issues with your partner because of that, talk to them. It doesn't mean the are a man-child (or woman-child), it could also be an early sign of depression
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 10:46 AM
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Thank you for that response! Look man, I have the feeling that you dismiss anything I say simply because you judged me to not be "informed" enough, and that to me is rather frustrating to argue with. I again make the comparison to flat earth believers, who just hide behind the "do more of your own research" argument. If you dissagree with them, they just think you are a "sheep" that has been brainwashed by the elites (or whatever). That same mindset I personally found in many redpill figures. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 09:34 AM
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First of all, I do not take offense from your comment, and neither do I want to offend you. I actually enjoy the discussion here. But here is my reply: The irony here is that you've just shown that I was right. It is really like believers of a religion arguing, just look what you just wrote. "Quality of opinion" in your sense seems to simply mean "how much you agree with it". You have no right to be the judge of the qualities of our opinions. In reality, what you do is the classic ad hominem fal…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 08:15 AM
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Yeah that's the other thing that lead me to drop the red pill: It sometimes shows the same signs as you'd see in a relgious belief. People arguing that their god or their interpretation of a scripture is correct. Who are you to say that I was not red pilled? I never said that the red pill is only for coping with rejection, but it is certainly a component. A large part of the red pill teaching revolves around dating. Why are there so many red pillers out ther who make content that supposedly make…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 03:31 PM
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Really? I don't really identify with the balck pill, and what I said was not intended to come across in this nihilistic/depressed as the black pill often seems to be. Essentially I turned back to a blue-ish mindset, but not out of ignorance of "the truth", but simply because I realized the red-pill is not really that applicable in real life. I actually guess a lot of guys will make this journey. To work with the pill metaphor: It is like Neo taking the red pill, but chosing afterwards to stay in…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:54 PM
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I am "ex-redpill", so I don't even know if I qualify to answer this. However, I have experience in dating with the redpill mindset. For the dating itself, it helps, but in retrospect, for the wrong reason. It gives you an easy excuse for when the date goes wrong. You can instantly think of statistics that "prove" that it is somehow societies fault for setting the standards to high, or the fault of your date. Because AWALT, right? In that sense, the red pill works as a protective armor But in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 09:57 AM
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What tinder essentially does is introducing you to more people. That is can be interesting for people who have it easy to date, and for people who don't. I think I know now why we seem to dissagree on this. For you, having it easy to date, means GETTING a date easily. Yes, I agree, if that is what we are talking about, then you are right. If a guy has no trouble getting a date, tinder is not as attractive, because it doesn't add anything. And that explains also why you mentioned women using it l…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 04:36 PM
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If it is easy to date -> they go on tinder. If it is hard to date -> they also go on tinder. Again, and I cannot stress this is enough, I am not saying it is easy to date for men. I am also not saying it is hard to date. I am saying that Tinder profits in both cases. How do you not see that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 03:49 PM
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Assume for a second that it was easy to date. Tinder would be equaly used, if not more. What tinder does is connecting you with more women outside of your social circle. If you could and want to sleep with any woman you'd meet, you'd certainly still use tinder. Or think about men who actually have it easy to date. They use tinder too. Tinder is not marketed for men who have hard time to date. I am not saying tinder is not something that men who struggle to date don't use. I am saying that tinder…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 03:35 PM
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You were talking about the "vast majority", so my argument stands. Of course many people have gardens and dogs, but certainly not the majority. Your argument that "there is a market for it -> it must affect the vast majority" is totally wrong. Tinder can exist even if dating is easy fo all men, or if dating is difficult for all men. In the first case, they'd use it to sleep with more women. In the second case, they'd use it to actually have a chance to talk to woman. The existence of tinder does…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:58 PM
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There is also a market for lawnmowers, eventho most people here dont have a lawn? There is a market for dog food, eventho not everybody has a dog? Do you see the problem in your logic? Also, I think we need to check the age of the average male dating app user. I doubt that many people over 50 use it that much, but they are still men right? I think the discussion here centers around young men if I am not mistaken
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 07:13 AM
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Do you give ugly women who can bring something to the table a chance? And do you ask out girls in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 11:33 AM
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My problem with your post is that you don't provide the context of what do you mean by "choosing". Do you mean she sleeps with those men? Dates them? Spends time with them? And why do you think that this is true for women and not for human beings in general? Of course looks help to get a date or get laid, but intelligence and being "a nice dude" may for example help for a long term relationship? If you are 65yo, will you complain that women chose men only because of their intelligence and charac…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 11:30 AM
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I always wonder if people who write like this about women simply never had a female rolemodel in their lifes. I am a dude and look up to my grandmother. She is almost a 100 now and her mind is still sharp as a razor blade. I cannot understand people who think women have no intellectual capabilties.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 04:45 PM
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Lol I love how people in the comments here conclude "I am a virgin, therefore I am intelligent". That's not what the studies suggest. You cant just switch this around
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 04:41 PM
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It doesn't get in my head why people want to treat relationships lile a strategy game? If both partner have basic skills for social human interaction, you don't need to make plans like this. Also, OP, do you have any evidence that what you propose is true? Have you had failed relationships and one that works with your strategy? And even then, can you make that claim that this holds in general? Also, on another note: How do women react when you refer to them as "females"?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 10:51 AM
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Good looks help to get a date. They are like the book cover, convincing you to buy the book in the store. But for having a stable, healthy and loving relationship, looks are not that important. I speak from experience. I am not a good looking guy and struggles to get the attention of women. However I succeded once and have been with that women for a long while now. I even asked her about this, she said it's not that important to her, and that attraction comes more from how I make her feel emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 08:54 AM
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That's possible, but I meant that not only in the perspective of sex related stuff. But that's an interesting thought. I am not sure tho if the boys pf that time had to go through similar dating experience as we do today
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 02:56 PM
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I have a unique perspective on this, because through unusual circumstances, I (m) became really close friends with the "hot/popular girl", and there I learned a lot about the dating dynamics from her perspective. It boils down to that once you are or have been in a relationship, your view of women shifts in general. You don't see them as these mysteriois creatures anymore, but just as human beings. I learned that even attractive people suffer from insecurities. It's the same for everyone. For th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 06:19 AM
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The idea of Alpha/Beta male is essentially zodiac signs for lonely men. "Ohhh that's expected behaviour from him, he is a (insert zodiac sign or alpha/beta here).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 09:34 AM
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Or this indicates that you don't have an answer and did not think this through properly. I was genuinly interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 06:39 AM
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Oh yeah you are right, sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 08:29 PM
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What? Lol you post some nonsense and then refuse to elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 03:26 PM
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How do you mean "don't commit"? You don't want kids and all that? Die alone? And why does the past not matter if you don't commit? How about commiting and not caring about her past?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 12:43 PM
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I think a good start would be getting out of the mindset that only these criteria that OP mentioned are the main reason for success or failure in getting a GF. I am under the impression that a lot of guys use them as an excuse if they fail asking someone out. In my opinion, the most important thing is to work on your social skills, because if you want to have a longterm relationship, that is what matters more than looks. It also is a crucial factor when you ask someone out, if that is what you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 12:18 PM
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