TheRedArchive

~ archived since 2018 ~

salbris Archive

View 2 posts and 484 comments by salbris on TheRedPill subreddit and various other subreddits related to The Red Pill community.
Search in:
In subreddits:
More
Filter by year/month:
Upvotes Comment on Subreddit Date (UTC)
1

"Hey guys I'm totally not being bad faith by pointing out that all my dates refused to pay for half the bill! So it's totally reasonable to have a discussion about how women don't pay their fair share right? Remember it's important to have a productive conversation so you're not allowed to point out the obvious flaw in my only argument!"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 10:03 PM
6

Anyone know if this has actually been studied before?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 01:10 AM
2

FYI, this is the 4th time I've started a discussion on Reddit about food deserts. The last 3 times the other poster failed to prove they exist. The last one randomly copy and pasted articles/studies to me with the first one contradicting every point you people make. So you think you can actually kill the streak? This should be easy. Show me the best study you have that shows a clear (unambiguous) signal that food deserts are real. Bonus points if you actually read it and quote it effectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 02:34 AM
-3

I'm confused... when did toxic masculinity become "boys are not feminine enough"? At it's inception it was about gender norms expected of men (by men and women). Arguments like this are going to make feminists roll their eyes because that's not how they define toxic masculinity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/21 07:27 PM
25

The truth is that male advocacy cannot be summed as "men angry at women trying to work for equality". Some things such as the duluth model are something that even male feminists can agree is problematic and the MRM has been complaining about it since it's inception.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/21 04:32 AM
15

Among nearly the entire left side of politics it is basically the default hence the need for this subreddit...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/21 04:29 AM
29

I have a feeling it was created just so other feminist subreddits could deflect all questions about male issues to that subreddit and effectively ignore them (for the most part).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/21 04:26 AM
1

I've been a lurker and occasional poster on here for awhile. While I don't like some of the anti-feminist echochamber type posts I don't think I've seen the problems you've mentioned. I've had the opposite experience. A couple times when I was being particularly toxic I was temporarily banned or had comments removed. While I do agree there are some very low effort hot takes being upvoted a little too much I don't think that's the worst issue to have. It's basically inevitable on the internet pre…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/21 02:27 AM
2

Depends on the context. For law? Hell no, trust only the facts. When talking to friends? Of course, no reason to interrogate your friends over some opinions. Online discourse? Also probably no, since the verify part basically never happens.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/21 02:20 AM
1

Actually no that's not how it works... Unverified anecdote can easily be worse than nothing. I find it odd to hear MRA people defending anecdotes when it's the entire basis of everything that's wrong with Feminism nowadays.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/21 11:33 PM
-2

That's exactly my point, we have literally no idea.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/21 05:41 PM
-4

It may not be a troll post but it could certainly be a huge misunderstanding of causality. For all we know they transitioned just after leaving highschool and formed a bond with a new group of friends that are decent and accepting. Comparing school age bullies to actually supportive friends is a massive misrepresentation of what it means to be a woman in this world. Not to mention that they are narrowly focused on mental health issues rather than the million other ways in which someone could be …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/21 03:55 PM
2

Sure but without data you have no idea how close your generalization is to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 05:00 AM
-1

Just calling them like I see em. Not every discussion requires or merits generalizations. There are lots of reasonable discussions to be had about specific situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 10:49 PM
0

I agree it's inherent. But its still a horrible argument no matter the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 10:35 PM
5

Funny how you see generalizations as a necessity rather than a signal that perhaps your arguments are weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 10:27 PM
7

You are being far too liberal... with the words "liberalism" and "liberal". Conservatives oppose masks because they are contrarian to science and the left. They are libertarian when it suits their interests and big on government when it that suits their interests. They are not consistent (and neither is the left).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/21 04:39 AM
2

Keep in mind that polarized politics is to blame here. America (and probably the rest of the "west") have decided to separate all of politics into two sides. The common people on both sides are basically forced to pick a side and believe the gambit of what we assign to those sides. In reality there is nuance so don't let society determine what you should identify with and stick to your guns.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/21 04:36 AM
1

There is an objective risk to being with someone with enough experience that they have the power to manipulate you. This is generally why we don't allow any child to be with an adult as it is the exaggerated form of this problem. The same issue exists between an 18 year old and say a 40 year old. There is a reason why young porn stars get addicted to drugs at a higher rate than the general population of young adults. My ideal law would have the age gap allowed gradually get bigger as they age be…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 04:26 AM
1

I wouldn't really consider existing laws a good argument for the morality of something.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 10:32 PM
1

Except that an 18 year old can make those mistakes and be taken advantage by an older person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 10:02 PM
5

Sure but we don't write laws that allow for the best case while letting the worst case continue to exist. I'd rather a law that protects the 80% of 18 year olds that need this protection and that makes the minority have to wait a few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:11 PM
3

I made huge life changing mistakes at the age of 25 the same could happen to nearly any person that age.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:08 PM
15

Did you just call a father a "visitor"? Talk about disingenuous arguments...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/21 02:15 PM
16

Has the definition slowly been changing? It was designed to describe all the different pressures on a man to act in an ideal masculine way. That seems like something we would want to continue to fight against. We should also fight any push to use the term "toxic masculinity" as a way to demonize men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/21 07:19 PM
2

Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it isn't real...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/21 05:28 PM
1

No emotional labor is this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/26/gender-wars-household-chores-comic
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/21 05:08 PM
-3

I'm concerned the goal posts are moving into more and more petty things. This thread started talking about emotional abuse in the form of angry nagging and now we're talking about having pillows on the couch. Imho, the situation you described sounds like typical relationship problems. Some people like a pretty house some people like a purely functional one. I'm the same way as you I dislike the need to have everything perfect 24/7 but that doesn't make our partners opinion any less valid. I'm al…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/21 01:34 PM
-3

Let's group them into categories: a) hand made party favors, climbing structure, party decorations, scheduled activity b) planting flowers, build garden beds, mulch c) curtains made from scratch, walls repainted yearly, toys made from scratch I'd say of these categories only c is something I'd imagine is considered unnecessary to 99% of the population so I'd say you were just unlucky and married a women with oddly strict requirements for a home. Category b is a pretty standard set of things that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/21 04:00 AM
2

Well I think we need to be careful because there is some serious mischaracterization going on. This is the typical sort of feminist definition of what emotional labour is: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/26/gender-wars-household-chores-comic This is not at all like what is being described in this thread. Specifically the first situation where the husband implicitly expects the wife to do "everything". Imho, a good person (husband, wife, friend) does not sit by while someone is struggl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/21 03:50 AM
6

I feel like this is a case of the "two sides" of this "debate" talking past each other. There are definitely husbands out their that take advantage of this sort of hands off arrangement to do the bare minimum and their are wives such as those described by the first link. Feminists (like any other person arguing for a cause) will argue with cases that demonstrate their case. They are talking about the first example I mentioned not these naggers. The big problem is that they will claim that naggin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/21 03:44 AM
5

I'm not a big fan of these generalizations I mean I get the general point but the lack of specifics can make or break these arguments. For all I know you consider it double the work to put away the dishes and wash the counter after dinner. Theoretically every household has the same chores to do. I'm not aware of any chores that women create out of thin air.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/21 03:26 AM
49

As silly as it is we all know they mean mean cis able bodied white men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/21 09:55 PM
23

Furthermore months ago when a feminist was trying to argue about unpaid labor they brought up a particular study. In the study it contradicted them, sort of. It showed that in all situations except one men did the most overall work. When men worked full time and the woman didn't he still worked enough hours at home that he did more overall. When they both worked he still worked a bit more. Only when she was the only full time either did she end up doing more overall work. And of course that case…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/21 02:19 AM
8

It was some anti-vax rhetoric.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/21 03:17 PM
2

Well to be fair you don't really need an attractive face just a half decent body. Only the women that show their face have issues with being "tarnished". Again I'm not talking about feeding a family of 4 on this income just being able to pay down student debt (like most 20 somethings do while in college). Even if only 30% of college age women "qualify" that's still a hell of an advantage over men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 05:17 AM
2

Sure of course but were not talking about all women were talking about whether it's a realistic possibility. Any attractive woman could decide today that they want to make money on their and they could do it. Sure they might not be a instant success but it's also extremely low effort. On the flip side men have to put out resumes, go to job interviews, and actually physically work for hours because that's their only option. Sure if suddenly 10 million more women signed up today the market would b…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 05:06 AM
3

You would think the existence of OF kinda shows that's not true. Sure only 10% of Of can "make a living". But part time job levels of payment? The kind that gets kids through college when they are living off student loans? The equivalent man has to work an actual job.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 05:01 AM
3

Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 04:00 AM
2

Not even close. The morality of snapping pictures anonymously is in a whole other galaxy compared to dealing drugs (assuming we mean beyond weed).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 03:59 AM
1

If men wanted to cater to gay men on OF they can and bank more than women do. Citation needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 03:58 AM
1

The market is quite tiny though, tiny enough that it's not a realistic option for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 02:55 AM
1

Comparing dealing drugs to snapping pictures anonymously...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 02:37 AM
3

I mean it basically isn't. The literally exists no such low risk, low effort jobs for men. So while attractive girls get to snap pictures to get through college men have to work extra hard. Not saying it should be banned but it is a form of privilege that is often overlooked.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 02:33 AM
1

I mean people who are rich enough already have those they are called bodyguards. Unless you specifically for sex in which case... That isn't really solving any real problems. Women don't often regret sex they had with an equal. The problems stem from power imbalance such as in a workplace, random encounter with a strong man, etc. Not to mention that any system relying on a second stranger you have to pay is going to result in the poor having no access. And still none of that explains why you dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 08:04 PM
1

You're going to have to elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 07:45 PM
1

I don't have all the answers but you are the one claiming without evidence that there is no solution besides prisons and that men are biologically violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 07:42 PM
1

So then you're not advocating for fixes you're advocating for bandaids.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 06:01 PM
2

I'm extremely confused what your advocating for. You want to implement fixes but also claim men are unfixable and biologically violent?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 03:16 PM
2

That something is a universal means it is a biological fact? Yeah you're right I can't prove that. But how is it relevant? It's certainly true in the society in which you live, as borne out by the statistics. That it might be different in the future through eDuCaTiON doesn't change what it is now. It drastically changes how we approach fixing the problem. If men are more violent and there is nothing we can do about it then we either seek eugenics (not killing people just genes manipulation) or w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 03:08 PM
1

The burden of proof is on you. You can abstain but then there is no wind behind your sails. Just empty words.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 02:58 PM
1

Something being "universal" does not mean it's a biological fact. We've also had patriarchal societies for thousands of years across the world. It's not surprising to me that men feel like hunters and kings even nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 02:47 PM
2

Do you have evidence to support your first claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 02:17 PM
4

Voters don't have the magical power you think they do. Despite 50% of the country wanting liberal policies were left a president that is more of a centrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 02:16 PM
5

This is why I'm in favour of laws that use the difference in age as the criteria. I believe this because the ability to be manipulated is always there but is reduced with experience and age is a good proxy for experience. So I'd be happy if the law let 17 year olds and 19/20 olds to hook up but not 17 and 21+. Like wise I have no issues with a 15 and 17 hooking up. What I don't want is a law that allows an 18 year old and a 40 year old to hook up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 02:14 PM
3

1 in 5 women raped in their lifetime. And about 80% were from relatives. Not sure what the specifics are about fathers, uncles, husbands, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 02:09 PM
1

I mean there is certainly some truth to the idea that men are getting away with rapes. I think it's like only 20% are convicted. The number must be higher than that and I sympathize with the victims that have to watch their attacker go free. I wish there was a technological solution to the problem. Say an app that could securely record consent for both parties. The problem of course happens when someone doesn't realize it's an option or the heat of moment takes over. You can't just lock up all m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/21 04:14 AM
3

I had a frustrating conversation with a feminist the other day. I tried to point out how unfortunate it is that prosecuting rape was so difficult but I felt it important to uphold due process. I was then misrepresented as someone who wants rapists to away scott free...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/21 03:33 AM
3

Yep and as soon as you complain about the men are treated you're labelled a rape apologist, troll, etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/21 03:31 AM
11

As someone who went through the same experience in a different way the only silver lining is that my feminists friends had the "realization" that men could be victims as well. It's funny how men are lambasted for only caring about women when they have a daughter themselves then this happens.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/21 04:58 PM
16

Exactly. I wouldn't trust this person to be the arbitrator of what is or isn't "sexist".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/21 04:57 PM
3

I'd be curious to see what percentage of neonaticides were committed in places where abortion is illegal and social acceptable. I imagine that is a huge reason for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/21 05:57 PM
1

Meh, that's just something we all like to tell ourselves to make ourselves feel better. In reality someone is arrogant if they overstate their abilities. If you can confidently demonstrate your abilities (especially without having to state them outright) then that's confidence. If you have to boast openly and then fail to live up to your words that's arrogance. Arrogance is unattractive as it's basically lying to the world about who you are. I will agree that confidence is not something that's f…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 04:32 PM
–

Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 12:50 PM
1

As a man this simply isn't true. I guess if have a relationship where you just barely tolerate the person this might be true. But I date people I would want to be friends with, who I can have a conversation with. Partaking in a book club is not quality time, especially if you don't enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 02:37 AM
1

True but were lacking context. Everything should be relatively equal. Physical labour, emotional labour, etc. Raising children is not easy but ya if they are old enough for school and the stay at home parent doesn't work at all then yes they will have a pretty easy go at things.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 02:33 PM
1

Were talking without context. Of course if someone works 40 hours a week it would be reasonable to ask the other to do chores most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 02:32 PM
2

Who goes to work 40 hours a week and thinks that shit is fun? It's exactly the same thing...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 04:21 AM
11

You're making the assumption that the man gets nothing out of the "quality time" which if true is pretty far from a loving relationship, imho.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 04:18 AM
0

Is it not fair, if you appreciate it when your husband draws up a bath for you, that your husband can appreciate it when you cook for him? Still not equivalent... drawing a bath is trivial in comparison to cooking. I would say the only fair equivalent would be a stay at home partner cooking and cleaning while the other works for 8 hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 04:16 AM
0

No you don't... Almost nothing you've mentioned can compare to 14 hours of chores every week. At best the only reasonable thing you say would be that a woman receiving all these gifts should do maybe 2-3 extra hours of work per week. Ultimately, every couple should come up with a equal plan to do chores. And it's not as simple as you make it out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 04:10 AM
1

I am very much aware of that but this guy went to a private resort and was setup with a woman by an acquaintance. Defending those actions is not something a public figure should do and not expect backlash.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/21 05:12 PM
18

Ya... despite being pretty excited at the prospect and going full simp in their subreddit I was eventually permabanned and muted for 3 days unable to contact the mods. No idea why either I don't think I ever generalized about Feminists nor said anything remotely hateful. Once the mute is done I plan to broach the issue with their mod team. My hope is that one of the mods went rogue, but who knows?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/21 01:39 PM
0

I see a lack of integrity, certainly it's passion but here statements seem to be unfiltered passion. Its not just a problem with word choice. It shows a lack of the ability to choose ones battles. He weakens his primary cause by attracting so much negative attention.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 01:17 PM
-7

Honestly I don't really have that much sympathy. You can't make such controversial statements as a public person and expect immunity we should expect people in charge of incredibly important public projects to be held to a high standard. Even autism does not make someone immune, I don't understand that line of reasoning. If this person is well minded enough to run a major public project then certainly his opinions are not clouded by mental illness.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 04:08 AM
4

As someone who is eager to discuss these issues with feminists I am pretty excited at the prospect of a subreddit that aims to actually be receptive to ideas from "our side of things"!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/21 04:32 AM
2

Yikes... Who hurt you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 01:16 PM
6

What's so regressive nowadays? People with freedom? Is there some sort of crisis of child welfare I am unaware of? What is the basis of proof you have for thinking things are worse right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 04:52 AM
4

As with nearly every hot take in this subreddit you lack the most important thing: proof Without proof your basically just a conspiracy theorist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 04:50 AM
7

And how many are leaving abusive husbands? How many husbands are unhappy as well but want a 24/7 maid and babysitter?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 04:49 AM
20

Which I find to be the one of the most insane points from Feminist. Everyone except white males gets an excuse for their bad behaving members. White men are just "violent" and "egotistical".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/21 05:24 PM
-17

Strawman your opponents all you like it only serves to make you look foolish. There are a million other things we can poke holes in let's not reach for something so obviously irrelevant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/21 03:31 AM
-19

Pretty sure the "children" part was a bit more important. Let's not play the same silly game feminists play on Twitter...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/21 02:18 AM
1

I'm not the one making grand generalizations. And i still maintain that if you're married to someone unable to do anything related to life, you should leave them and not ruin your own. I'm struggling to see where you draw the line because after claiming you care you also say stuff like this. I'm not asking you to stay with a drug addict for 20 years. I'm asking you try to help your partner. Maybe that's 1 year of turmoil and another of slowly getting back to normal but it's also not making ultim…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 08:24 PM
1

Ah now there are qualifications. It's not simply "no sex" it's "no sex, and they don't try to change anything". I'd still challenge that. Diseases like depression are not something you simply "work through". You need support from your partner (you know, that person who chose to commit to you for better or worse).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 08:00 PM
1

So if a spouse get depressed it's their fault and their spouse is justified in leaving. Interesting...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 07:46 PM
1

It's the word decide I have a problem with. No one decides not to have sex. They don't want to have sex because they don't feel like having sex. A drop in libido can be a symptom of something out of their control.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 07:14 PM
1

Blame assumes that she intended to not have sex rather than it being a symptom of something else going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 06:19 PM
3

See folks, here is the lack of empathy I'm referring to!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 06:06 PM
1

It's funny how were talking about different people, at different times in their lives, with different libidos, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 03:46 PM
3

Of course he does. But he would also be petty if he divorces his wife of 8 years because she gets stressed for a year and he can't bring himself to feel empathy for this person he supposedly loves.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 02:04 PM
1

Thank you. I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong. That's actually quite interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 01:12 PM
4

I think it's not 100% the fault of the low sex drive person. I don't have advice for what people do to get out of it except to have empathy for their partners. But that's advice id give for any situation
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 01:11 PM
2

Source then? Because I don't think I've ever heard of it as a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 06:22 AM
18

My personal theory is that DBR mostly starts as something 100% unintentional such as stress but slowly becomes a wedge in the relationship to the point where it is also a major source of stress. It certainly doesn't help women to hear that they could be dumped at any moment because their husband must have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 06:02 AM
13

Appeal to the remote 0.001% as some sort of real comparison to what women face? Yikes...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 05:56 AM
16

Or, crazy idea, libido is not as simple as that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 05:55 AM
13

That's the point. Only people who are able to (attractive and female) and need to (poor) do it. Many poor men would sell their bodies in a heart beat if it meant stemming poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 08:39 PM
25

If anything it speaks to western society still not being good enough for people to be free and happy. I'm sure there are lots of women that sell their bodies not because they are lazy but because they are poor and it's the only choice left for them that doesn't involve working themselves half to death to make less money. Literally just the other day I saw a post in another subreddit about a woman who was being abused and was saving up to get herself out of her situation. Her reddit history conta…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 08:37 PM
-8

Meh, let's not stoop to their level. This reeks of oversimplification and hatred. At worst, some feminists are misandrist and will rationalize their beliefs through a feminist lens, using feminist theory even. At best feminism is simply different words for the same things we believe, traditional gender roles are harmful to all. Just because they call it a patriarchy doesn't mean they are misandrist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/21 06:18 AM
4

The article asks why there isn't a #MeToo for men. I think the answer is pretty clear, it's combination of cultural pressure and the fact that the majority of situations where sexual harassment could happen is between a subordinate woman and a man in a higher position. I guarantee you as society starts to fight traditional gender roles and women start to make up a larger and larger percentage of managers and leaders we will find that sexual harassment on men will also increase. It really doesn't…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/21 05:05 AM
3

I'm not defending feminism I defending our movement from bigots like you that couldn't care less about helping men except when it's a gotcha to women. I can hold abusers accountable to their abuse without pretending like women fighting to end their own abuse is somehow hurting me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/21 04:31 AM
1

I am sooooo sick and tired of hated morons like you. You are exactly the reason why no one respects men's rights. Shut the fuck up with your pathetic blame game.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/21 03:24 AM
3

I strongly disagree with your final point. All peoples suffering is caused by a mixture of different people, poor or rich, man or woman.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/21 03:09 AM
8

Worse yet is the mentality that since the soldiers, cops, and politicians are all men it's just male on male violence or oppression so it's not that big of deal. Once traditional gender roles are toppled it's going to be men and women oppressing men but by then it will be too late to save the millions of lives harmed while ignoring our plight.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/21 01:28 AM
1

True, context does matter but this is not the hill to die on. He was disrespectful, period.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/21 06:08 AM
5

Okay sure, I would as well but never in a million years to a journalist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/21 05:50 AM
10

You think it's okay for a journalist to be told she's going to get destroyed by the person she's interviewing? I'm all for abolishing cancel culture but what he said was 100% inappropriate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/21 04:35 AM
-5

I agree you don't owe anyone a friendship but it is usually a bad sign when your friendship is suddenly over. From your explanation it sounds like you simply needed some time to process and somehow made it sound like you were ghosting them. Consider it from their perspective, you were good friends then all of a sudden you have feelings then you break off the relationship altogether. They obviously took great offense to this. Sounds like a big misunderstanding.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/21 06:44 AM
-7

I see the double standard but I'm also worried your anecdote is missing some much needed context. How long were you friends before you told her? What was her given reason for not wanting to date? What was your explanation to her for why you couldn't be friends? Depending on the answers I might expect her reaction and support it. Friendships by definition shouldn't be so easy to walk away from. Also, it seems like there was a miscommunication of expectations. Were you intentionally friends with h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/21 05:13 AM
7

I'm not sure I buy this. The man in OPs link had no opportunity to "prove himself" to avoid being assaulted. At best he could fight back but that's not freedom it's the choice of violence thrust upon him. The real problem is that due to gender norms it's expected that it's "not that bad" to assault a man in broad daylight. That tough guy wouldn't dare do that to a woman but he's "allowed" to do it to men. Problem is that I don't see a solution besides gradually teaching people that violence isn'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/21 04:19 AM
-3

Meh, whether or not white supremacists are mad is the least of my concerns.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/21 03:04 AM
-5

He is pandering to benevolent sexism. Racists? I don't know, it's not like 2020 was a great time for black people or anything.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/21 02:12 AM
-3

It's just a speech. Until a white man is denied stimulus resources it's a non story.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/21 12:47 AM
1

There's nothing wrong with beliefs that are solely based on difficult to prove opinions. As long as your willing to challenge those beliefs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/21 07:04 PM
6

As one of the mods I'm leaving this up. Someone flagged it as demonizing women but I don't see that here. It doesn't break any of the rules as far as I'm aware and only generalizes about women but does not demonize them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/21 09:25 PM
8

I don't think feminists are trying to speak out to womanizers. They intentionally speak to women or other "oppressed" classes so that they can use that knowledge to stand up for themselves, advocate for better treatment, etc. That's also why the messaging is so aggressive. When your platform is about warning your "side" of the power and pervasiveness of the oppressor it would be counter productive to soften the message with "but there are lots of great men out there". That being said, the target…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/21 06:26 AM
35

I think it really boils down to marketing. The feminists who crafted this term couldn't care less about the effects it has on how society thinks about masculinity. If there term were labelled something like "feminine aversion" or "toxic stoicism" or really anything more specific and less inflammatory then I don't think there would be any issues at all. It's really unfortunate that these women get to sit in their ivory towers deciding the label that men must use to describe themselves. I imagine …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/21 04:16 AM
–

Your post/comment was removed, because it demonized women. While generalized discussion of gendered traits is allowed, there is a line, and your comment was deemed to have crossed it. If you disagree with this ruling, please appeal by messaging the moderators.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/21 07:34 PM
2

I'd also be curious about the last point in their argument. What percentage of money spent on cosmetic surgery came from a woman's salary? Obviously not 0% but I have a feeling there are less young people getting surgery than say boomers. And boomers were still pretty deep in traditional gender roles...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/21 12:20 AM
6

I thought I was able to break the argument down for this person quite nicely. Got it to the point where I demonstrated a clear symmetry between men and women and their consequences of having sex. Yet they don't seem convinced that men got the shit end of the stick. Am I missing a more convincing argument?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/21 05:08 AM
3

How is "C" a recipe for disaster? You live there, do your chores just as he will do some as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 03:00 AM
2

Is this some sort of weird sarcastic joke?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/21 08:00 AM
0

I would love to see those studies. Especially any that shows that boys need competition specifically.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/21 06:47 PM
0

That doesn't mean we need to be socialized differently.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/21 06:37 PM
-2

I like the general sentiment but I feel there is a lot of harm in phrases like "I think it's terrible idea to socialize men like women." Our genders have differences but I don't think they go quite that deep. Like what is this implying?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/21 03:33 AM
1

It's not that deep bro...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 07:50 AM
1

lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 04:14 AM
1

Everything has a reason. If you're not aware of one than it's either subtle such as cultural bias or it's self imposed (probably based on believing in half the nonsense this sub talks about). Or maybe I'm the crazy one for not caring about N count?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 04:12 AM
2

You might need to learn how to observer reality then. Shouldn't be too hard, perhaps there is a course online?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 04:09 AM
4

Why is it that crazy people type with each sentence as a paragraph?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 04:06 AM
–

Your post was removed, because we do not feel it is sufficiently related to men's issues. If you disagree with this ruling, please appeal by messaging the moderators.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/21 06:28 AM
–

Your post/comment was removed, because it demonized women. While generalized discussion of gendered traits is allowed, there is a line, and your comment was deemed to have crossed it. If you disagree with this ruling, please appeal by messaging the moderators.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/21 09:20 PM
1

Weird how people in love think love is real and those who can't find it think it's fake... Nah must be a conspiracy or the whole world just lying to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 04:28 AM
2

Sure but that's just deflecting the point. No one is expecting a no effort parent to get custody. It's a non starter. To bring it up is to attempt to delegitimize the real problems single fathers face. It's like if people talking about rape I say "My heart goes out to the victims but did you know that staying home instead of going out to a club reduces your chances of being raped by 14%!?" Things can still be technically true but also be harmful to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 01:02 AM
3

But I don't think we have to reach for such extremes. Trading 8 hours of a desk job a day plus a commute is no small sacrifice.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 12:59 AM
2

Actually the latter is true as far as I've heard. Problem is men seem to be better at committing suicide so they don't get a chance to try again in the future. That being said I don't think I've ever read a primary source on this that actually separates all the variables so who knows?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 12:17 AM
5

Here here! You can't both support women choosing to leave the home for employment and disregard the fact that men want the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 12:15 AM
5

I don't blame fathers in America. They are going to pay child support anyways so who wants to waste more money on lawyers when you probably can't even afford basic health care.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 12:14 AM
3

Agreed, although I do kinda agree with spousal support even though I'm paying it at the moment. There are women who get stuck being the child caregiver and get no time to do anything else. They deserve to have their income continue to be subsidized by the father until some reasonable amount of time. Unfortunately, my ex was abusive and never seriously seeked out higher education or a job/career for the 5 years I supported her. But the courts in Canada (ontario) apparently don't care about any of…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 12:12 AM
2

But that kinda misses the point entirely. Should the father in your story get custody? Hell no, should other fathers that have tried but weren't able to be their like their mother was? Hell yes. There are still a lot of fathers not getting custody that should. Why does it seem that only subcultures like MRAs care about this problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 12:08 AM
1

Surely there is exceptional variety your missing? One mans 9/10 is another's 7/10. Not to mention that any 7/10 can quickly reappear as a 10/10 based on their personality. Hell, even a 5/10 or lower can soar up quite high based on personality alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 11:57 PM
14

That's the joke... many feminists claim boobs are not sexual what so ever. Well, to be fair they say that they are only sexualized because men sexualize them so I guess this guy is kinda proving them right...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 11:42 PM
0

What I mentioned is in her long-form article and you just parroted it... How is claiming that happens as the norm good for the trans identity?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/21 03:03 AM
1

I disagree, her concerns might be taken a bit more neutral if they didn't center on things such as how she believes trans people are transitioning as some sort of fad or craze. It's one thing to criticize it's a whole other thing to delegitimize an entire identity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/21 02:32 AM
5

How is inclusivity not a good thing? Why would actively seek to exclude half the planet with our language? If you are aware of an issue refusing to fix it is rude. I really dislike the general free speech argument to defend any and all language. Language throughout history has always been in flux. I see no reason to cement ourselves to these words simply because it's what feminists want. That reeks of callous and vindictive reasons.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/20 09:39 PM
-8

I disagree. I think that's the old way of thinking but this generation is challenging all the conventional ways we think about relationships. No one wants a severely depressed person for an SO and that's the extreme you're describing. Also I'd argue women (hell, people) care more about feeling like your trying to fix yourself rather than some nebulous idea of "being protected". If you're open about your depression but do nothing to try and fix it of course your SO is going to hate that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/20 06:00 AM
1

No reasonable feminist does that though, so what's the point?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/20 06:09 PM
0

The main reason I left /r/MensRights is because all it became was posts like this. Or inflammatory news articles that were clearly anti-feminist bias. It would kill me to see the sub have these types of posts become the norm.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/20 03:29 AM
0

Imho, that's how you turn a community into a bunch of angry people who can't discuss ideas without jokes and ad homs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/20 02:37 AM
1

But it's not though? All he did was flip some gendered words and splattered in some random jargon. A more apt demonstration would be to take topics like dating, war, etc and spin them with the superfluous words that feminists do. This however, is not that at all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/20 02:04 AM
0

As I stated, I could spend some time to do just that but I have no idea where to begin. You barely made a concrete point to refute. Like with rape. So you think it's not a patriarchy because you build a false flipped comparison? How about a million other reasons why it's not a patriarchy. Such as rape is not limited to women? I just don't see the need for such lazy argumentation when better more thorough arguments already exist. This posts most serves a masturbatory anti-feminist need rather tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/20 02:01 AM
4

As much as I like to poke holes in "patriarchy theory" this post just doesn't make much sense. I was going to give a more detailed rebuttal but 99% of your post seems to be nonsense made to sound vaguely like feminist talking points. I'm guessing this is an attempt to discredit their positions. This total misses the mark and avoids any real arguments against what their saying. We're better than this, avoid useless strawman arguments and attack their arguments directly and specifically.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/20 09:21 PM
1

I'd advocate for defending people with good ideas and continue to demonstrate the poor arguments of others.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/20 05:38 AM
2

I was 100% ready to defend you taking Vaush out of context but that was... well indefensible behaviour.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/20 03:59 AM
1

Oh you mean to say that because 70% of men aren't travelling that it's unfair to say "men aren't social distancing"? I suppose that's true. There is a small kernel of truth of course... men do seem to be less conscious of the dangers of covid. The article embellishes that, I agree.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/20 11:42 PM
0

Gendering this issue seems entirely pointless. That being said I don't see anything to support what your saying OP. All the links and pictures you provided show men to want to travel more but nothing about social distancing?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/20 08:01 PM
1

I was simplifying to explain elections to someone claiming they are simply "most votes wins".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/20 05:46 PM
1

You show extreme ignorance and bait me into schooling you just so you can turn my words around on me? What a waste of time. Good night.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/20 02:12 AM
2

Well holy shit that's bad...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/20 01:46 AM
2

You misunderstood me. I was giving you an example of what someone else might say. I would rarely say "Men need to work on being better parents". Unless the context was specifically about men, although I'd normally have the same caveat your pushing, that everyone can be a bad parent. So can we get off that point now? We literally both agree.... I believe people should be allowed to direct their criticism as specifically as they want... I mean I agree it's very fine line between legitimate critici…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/20 01:03 AM
1

That's called whataboutism. If you can't accept men have problems being parents without saying "what about women" then you're part of the problem. Yes, there are bad mothers but denying there are bad men is why MRAs and Feminism will never be compatible. Hell, I'd say the same thing about them, they like to deny bad mothers exist as well. Don't play their games.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/20 12:25 AM
1

That is a quite a level of ignorance coming from someone making claims about elections. Elections are very rarely "the most votes wins". In Canada it's the most "ridings" wins. Each riding is "most votes wins". So you can have a majority of the country want party A but party B wins the majority of the ridings if the population distribution happens to work that way (which is does all the time). America is even more fucked up because not only do they have roughly the above system they also grant a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/20 12:20 AM
-4

I don't mean to imply generalizing is okay. I mean to say that criticizing male behaviours is okay. I don't get offended when woman criticize men who forgo their parental responsibilities because they aren't referring to me. I agree though, there is a very fine line between criticizing specific behaviours and generalizing it. I've seen first hand people generalizing their experiences to all men. The important thing is to realize that while it's a generalization it holds true for a large number o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/20 08:39 PM
1

It seems you are implying that I am a woman? I am not. I am a white middle aged man :D We haven't really had a good democracy on this planet for a long time. I'll have to do some research but I imagine most countries still use First past the post, right? I'm in Canada and we still do even though Trudeau promised to seriously consider an alternative. So I don't really think pretending democracies are working well is a good excuse for why men are the majority of leaders. That being said I don't ne…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/20 08:35 PM
-2

If you think the majority of feminist think "#killallmen" is a reasonable hashtag you are insane. I 100% agree that many fail to police their own kind which is almost as bad but not quite. The majority are simply criticizing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/20 07:00 PM
-1

If you really think that than I can't imagine this being a fruitful discussion... Have their been innocent men affected by MeToo? 100% Is it the majority? Highly doubtful. MeToo rarely concerns itself with basic flirting or public conversations. All of the incidents that I've seen happened in hotel rooms or other private places. They were after the flirting and during the part where people normally have sex.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/20 06:58 PM
2

Honestly, I think it's because there has been a very successful disinformation campaign that has conflated mens rights with the Alt Right and other very bad conservative ideologies. The combined with polarizing politics means that if we don't conform to left leaning politics we are the enemy. In this case it's feminism/MensLib or it's the enemy. Imho, some of it is deserved. The movement did more or less start as anti feminist and conservative so we've had to slowly work away from that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/20 06:42 PM
4

Good riddance i'd say!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/20 06:37 PM
-2

I don't know man there are always going to be crazy people. You make it sound like it's an epidemic. I'm sorry you had one bad experience but that does not mean it's a serious problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/20 06:34 PM
1

From everything I know that reads with me. However, I don't see what that has to do with the claim of misandry declarations or not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/20 06:31 PM
-3

Imho, a movement has every right to criticize 50% of the population especially one that represents the majority of the government on the entire planet. I have seen misandry as well and I hate it just as much but don't generalize the crazies to the whole movement. The crazies do the same thing to us. I honestly don't know much about MGTOW but it's probably going to be impossible to truly leave women alone. I don't know to what degree they "go their own way" but if it's just about relationships an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/20 06:29 PM
-9

Imho, they are very few men making "honest" or"innocent" mistakes and getting blasted for them. Most of the time I hear about men doing something sexist or rude and it being pointed out as such. There is a line between the two but it's really not that fine.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/20 08:43 AM
4

MGTOW is one specific subculture of anti feminism. The majority see women, especially feminists as misandrists. I'd say it's a good comparison but not perfect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/20 08:40 AM
2

Your missing the point entirely. Of course people like her exist. The problem is having one experience (or very few) and generalizing from there. More anecdotes is not proof, hell even a counter example is not proof. Holding beliefs based on your own limited experience is how people become anti-intellectual, religious zealots, and racists.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 02:02 AM
3

So is understanding something more complex than "she has blue hair therefore she is crazy".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 01:59 AM
6

Ya it's great I don't turn everyone into a stereotype based on one bad life experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 04:43 PM
2

Not just a single conversation but a process. Sexual attraction is complex and can revolve around unspoken or even subconscious feelings as well as things such as lack of confidence, depression, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 06:49 AM
8

You base your beliefs on anecdotes? Ooof
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 06:44 AM
3

I will agree with that and I said so in another comment. Feminists by-and-large aren't not these people but the "good" ones often fail to police these feminists. I commented on a post in /r/askFeminists the other day because they said hastags like "#killallmen" have nuance. Unsurprisingly that comment got upvotes and my criticism got downvotes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/20 12:24 AM
-3

Oh I 100% agree these people do make feminism look bad. Just like incels make "us" look bad.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/20 12:22 AM
-2

No one needs to justify anything. Do you want the world to paint you a misogynist because other mens rights activists are misogynists!?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/20 09:47 PM
-5

Please don't confuse "feminism" with these quacks. You're playing the same games these people do. They call people like you misogynist because you advocate for mens rights. How about we all stop with the generalizations?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/20 09:46 PM
2

Let's not play their games these people do not represent the whole of feminism. The real problem is other feminists not policing this bullshit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/20 09:42 PM
1

I think your confusing looks for attraction. Personality and connection can be just as important if not more important to many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 12:44 AM
1

Okay fair enough but I was directly responding to your claim that without sex a person is an unfulfilled wage slave. Maybe you didn't quite mean it that way but you definitely wrote it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 09:23 PM
1

I really don't understand what that has to do with anything? You don't need money to learn an new skill or find something to enjoy doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 09:01 AM
2

Sounds like you're both biased and making some pretty grand assumptions based on anecdotes. Sorry that happened to you but part of "moving on" is recognizing that it's really not that big of a deal. Sex is sex, rejection is rejection. Both happen and are relatively mundane.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 06:18 AM
3

It often feels like RedPill wouldn't exist if it were simply about companionship. There are tons of women out there that might not be a 10 in the looks but will be a great friend or partner. There seems to be a much larger emphasis on looks even though that doesn't even translate to sexual pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 06:14 AM
0

Imho, if you think the opposite of "having sex" is "stoically building your bank balance" then I think you have much bigger issues. Get a hobby, learn to play an instrument, etc. Literally thousands of things you could be doing to make your life better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 06:12 AM
2

She’s currently asleep covered in my bodily fluids moral fortitude. What the fuck did I just read?!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/20 06:31 AM
5

Idk, anyone who actually believes in these things doesn't care if it's a 23 year old wife or 31. Seems odd that someone would be both shallow and care deeply about things that have nothing to do with sex appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/20 06:28 AM
1

Stuff I agree with: The truth, facts, definitely not feelings. Stuff I don't agree with: Jedi Mind reading nonsense, those libs at it again, propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 10:34 PM
1

I like how your definition is "openly racist" so as to prevent any consideration for the 99% of racists that do something racist but people like you think is "perfectly logical". For example, Bloomberg was recorded saying he was infavor of the "Stop and frisk" laws in New York because they targeted the violent minorities. In other words, very very few "people" can be "openly" phobic of anything but they can sure as hell try to hide it well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 07:55 PM
4

Damn I guess I'm just crazy lucky along with nearly everyone I know. Weird...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 02:42 AM
4

Imho that's very condescending. Imho, attitude like that is part of the reason they don't stay.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/20 06:32 AM
6

I wish that subreddit had more Feminist voices. It's much better than most but it still feels like an echo chamber.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/20 05:56 AM
0

Right so in other words you were looking for an argument. That's fine but that's not what 99% of spaces like those are looking for.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/20 05:16 AM
2

I haven't been banned yet I guess I'm just lucky?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/20 05:14 AM
3

Exactly, related to this is the statistic about sexual harassment. I've often heard like "1/3 women will experience sexual harassment in their life. Which sounds shocking until you compare it to a similar statistic like "9/10 people will get robbed in their lifetime". The problem is that most people have this concept in their head that if sexual harassment is ubiquitous then men who sexually harass are too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/20 02:41 AM
5

I think it's relevant but it is often used to discredit male victim statistics. For example if gay men were most of the domestic abuse you bet your ass feminists would be very heavy to discredit male victims of domestic violence. It's relevant because it's an indicator of a different kind of struggle men face. Similar to how black men are the majority of crimes and how it indicates that they face pressure to act a certain way and are influenced by poverty. I imagine there is connection between t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/20 02:39 AM
6

Right, this is my personal theory for why we see both these numbers. Men are taught by society that they are valued as the gender that does the hard stuff, that "gets it done" at the cost of their own life in some cases. It makes sense that they would also be the gender that commits most of the crime as it fits the profile of someone who is "assertive". Hell, I'm a man and I am very much a pacifist but I still have this innate urge to be a hero.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/20 02:35 AM
3

That's an utterly disturbing statistic...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/20 02:33 AM
9

But that's not the point... You have to compare apples to apples. Women to men. You can't take the average statistic of "single parents suck" to mean "single mothers suck".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:48 AM
7

Careful though you may have read that somewhere but it's likely that the source has a more nuanced answer. Unless your reading the original study or doing some comparisons you're likely to miss details such as single father homes having the same stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:35 AM
29

Seems like a false equivalence. If women can trick men then men can trick women. Perhaps there are different cultural reasons behind it but it can and will happen to both. Keep in mind that there are still a decent number of men who will expect the mother to be a full time mother even if they say otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:22 AM
6

As far as I'm aware those stats are the same for all single parent house holds. So it's not the gender as much as it's having only 1 person to help raise a child. I'd also be curious to see how familial support plays into these numbers as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:17 AM
4

I guess it depends on your goals for long term relationships. Imho, a good long term relationship cannot be founded on sex alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 03:25 PM
4

I think your reading to much into the specific words here. I seek a best friend with benefits, someone who I can build a life with. It saddens me to think that's some kind of cliche because I'm this generation most of us realizing this is possible and that marriage doesn't have to be a constant compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 03:23 PM
3

I guess the fundamental divide is that feminists will ask men to act in a way they feel is good for a relationship. However, I imagine that 90% or more of women do not necessarily subscribe to their line of thinking. But I have no idea, I haven't had difficulty in dating (I have success without trying that hard) so I can't even speak anecdotally. But in most of these conversations I see about dating I very rarely see studies I just see a lot of "That's just how it is". Another possibility is tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/20 03:47 AM
1

Don't forget IQ shouldn't be taken as simply causation IQ is influenced by the state of society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/20 11:51 PM
1

No the one that wasn't removed... With the boyfriend who cooked. Those replies are also reasonable
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/20 01:03 PM
1

Can you also link to the original post? Contrary to the narrative the comments seems pretty reasonable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/20 09:23 PM
3

It can be but connecting the gender of a the figure head of a country with it's ability to combat the worst epidemic in modern society is not science. Nearly infinite variables to account for. A study needs to have it's data more focused and controlled for. So I guess I agree "looking for patterns in data" is different than creating a study to collect data.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/20 02:59 AM
3

This is the most important question for op to answer. You can't create your own reasonable list and pretend like that's the movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/20 08:29 PM
8

Right, it's like "okay we know women are oppressed but our job is to find exactly how much!" "If we do this apples to apples comparison it says women aren't oppressed... okay that can't be right..." "Ah, I know if we annualize the salaries it says women earn 15% less! Ah ha!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/20 03:09 AM
1

I think there is pressure from everyone. Peers, parents, potential partners, etc. and it's become a norm so now advertisement and media emphasizes it as well. Sexual selection is just one facet of this. If we solved that part there would still be a world full of other expectations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/20 07:02 PM
1

Seems like a stretch to say disposability is tied to sexual selection. Men aren't drafted because women have power in the sexual marketplace. They are drafted because someone had to be and traditionally women were excluded as they are considered fragile or in need of protection. Men work dangerous jobs for money because again someone has to and society encourages me to self sacrifice for their family. Men are expected to be heros or take on flights instead of desecalation because they are expect…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/20 06:13 AM
1

Possibly semantic but people think very highly of heroic self sacrificing men. In some spaces you'll be more popular and by extension more powerful. That's more than a simple semantic difference. It doesn't make it right but it seems pretty disingenuous to say men have "no value". Feminists say the same thing about women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/20 03:21 AM
1

I think it goes much deeper. Men don't have no value they have value as soldiers. After all soldiers have to actually be effective. They are disposable though simply because women are protected. This is bad for everyone because it means assertive women and passive men are belittled.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/20 01:07 AM
2

I'm not going to individually respond to those points but generally I agree any gendered laws or societal expectations should be abolished. The only thing that truly matters is hard biological realities such as those pertaining to reproduction and the rest is choice. I agree that gender norms are emergent but that doesn't mean we shouldn't aim to eliminate them. Hell, literally all of cultural is emergent and there is a lot of aspects of "culture" that we aim to eliminate such as some cultures a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/20 08:40 PM
-2

I'd encourage you to care less about being against feminism and focus more on goals. I think this is a perfect example where everyone wants the same thing. How do you create a world where men can cry without being devalued? Well gender roles is the framework that causes is to assign value to people based on how they fit these roles. So lets abolish that. Odd though that you made the argument that testosterone causes us not to cry, as far as I know that is a highly unscientific belief. Abolishing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/20 03:42 PM
5

It's sad to me that your being downvoted as this seems like a very reasonable sentiment. Men experience a lot of suffering due to being forced to suit their gender roles. How can we level the playing field? Encouraging everyone to think outside the narrow confines of traditional gender roles seems like the perfect fit. Don't want men to be disposable? Great, that requires us to sometimes be vulnerable and not heroic. Some people call that feminine, but it's just a different way of being.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/20 03:34 PM
1

But you did say that women simply need to suck it up even though they experience far worse harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 02:51 AM
1

Honestly I have no idea, the definition I can find is the same as that and it would indicate that you are technically correct. I don't think anyone uses it that way though similar to how being shoved is technically assault but no one calls it that because it's such a minor event. So sure, you're a victim of sexual harassment congratulations. Women have it easy it happens to men too!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 01:08 AM
1

Oh I see I misread your sentence. Still I don't think your original examples count. It's not "of sexual nature" it has to do with context. In my examples there are actions being implied. Calling someone a virgin is just an insult not the implication of action being made upon them. If a man told me they wanted to "rape my pretty little face" then yes that would sexual harassment. But after being online for most of my life I've had that happen less than 10 times and many were the sort of batter I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 10:52 PM
1

You're a dingus! I'm guessing that comment was unwanted so I guess I just sexually harassed you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 06:21 PM
1

Not that's just harassment using sex related jokes. Sexual harassment is sending dick pics or saying "I want to fuck you raw". The difference is that if someone called me a virgin I might be upset but I don't feel threatened. While a woman getting unwanted attention may feel threatened and objectified. Hell, some sexual harassment is seen as "positive" by some people say I told a female teammate "Hey, you're pretty cool could we meet up on Zoom later?". Seems harmless but women will get bombarde…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 04:15 PM
1

That's not sexual harassment
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 12:51 PM
2

I need you to elaborate though because your argument isn't particularly compelling. Why would "consent" when taught as part of standard sexual education classes suddenly only be taught in the way you describe? This isn't a slipperly slope it's a critical part of teaching kids what is and isn't considered consent. No need to get all fear mongering before there is any evidence that it will go down like that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/20 07:56 PM
1

Damn you should publish your research! You might even get peer reviewed!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 07:51 PM
3

Why should we stop teaching about consent? Imho, it's a critical part of sexual education for both men and women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/20 04:21 PM
3

True but he also generalized and said women find online spaces toxic. They find it toxic because when their gender is discovered they are harassed not because they can't take a few random insults or jokes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 02:51 PM
4

Since forever, jokes barely count. Women experience far worse than some off-color jokes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 02:50 PM
3

I think you're missing the part where men don't sexual harass each other. Women get stalked online then harassed when they tell the person off.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 06:40 AM
0

Woah, your basically saying women getting harassed online is just them not having a thick enough skin? How naive can you get?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 06:29 AM
2

Oof
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 06:26 AM
1

Relevancy isn't defined as something tangentially related to something else not sure why you'd feel that's the case. Abortion law affects men because they want to be considered when a women chooses to abort a fetus? I don't see that as "significant" in the slightest. Significant is carrying around a fetus for 9 months with all the discomfort that comes with. Significant is being forced to keep a fetus when your raped. Significant is having to have your husband sign off on a procedure that barely…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/20 11:32 PM
1

I'm not arguing for ignoring men. I'm arguing against only supporting policy that is non-gendered because in reality things are different for different people therefore they require different policies. It would be silly for anyone to claim that say abortion policy has zero affect on men but it has significantly less affect on men. There are many issues for countries like America to work on to be upset that things like abortion law doesn't specifically support men when they are barely affected is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/20 10:37 PM
1

Were just arguing semantics now. But I don't think that's a useful definition. By the same logic one would question why you a "male advocate" if everything you do affects women as well?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/20 10:05 PM
1

That's not what I said at all. OP was complaining about "gendered politics" which is silly because as you demonstrated many aspects of politics are gender specific. Some are only relevant to males some are only relevant to females that's the definition of "gendered".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/20 07:38 PM
1

I never said these things are irrelevant I said they are inherently gendered. I believe all those things are important but they are all gendered issues. I do after in general though, women should not be getting all the spotlight in politics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/20 02:32 PM
1

Agreed however that's not about reproductive rights it's about praterity and I agree is extremely important. It's actually another example of gendered politics, women already have immense power so men need to be there focus.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/20 02:30 PM
-1

The first and third is not reproductive rights, the second is not debateble, and yes the last one is relevant and you'll get no disagreement from me to fix that. Point still stands that reality is gendered and so we should expect politics is as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/20 03:39 AM
-2

Imho, "politics" can and should always be contextual. For example, there is very little need to fight for male reproductive rights because their role in reproduction is minimal. And in some cases there are cultural artifacts that need specific political pressure such as eliminating the draft. Do I think things like domestic violence should be "gendered"? Hell no. I guess if you call that "sexual identity politics" then I can agree but that phrase feels more like a dogwhistle for transphobia.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/20 11:30 PM
1

Do you have any actual proof of that claim because I've yet to see any. After asking about this in several threads this is the first time anyone said anything of substance. How is the language gendered? What does it say exactly? What are the implications? I highly doubt it says "women get support, men don't". So you're going to have to do better than "It has gendered language".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/20 11:25 PM
-1

That analogy does not hold up. It would be like if they were drafting a bill about cancer research and only invited breast cancer survivors. You'll still got a lot of valuable feedback and the bill will still contain a lot of the important things survivors need but it might lack some nuances that come with a different perspective. Unless the bill is specifically prejudice against men I don't care that much. There is more to public policy than just a bill. How that bill is implemented through fun…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/20 07:18 PM
1

Well now unfortunately my choices are either except the premise of your post at face value or watch an hour long video to find out what the hell your talking about. Not good choices. You should aim to be clear about what cause your supporting. An ambiguous "feminists are bias! men need support too!" is not helping anyone. Sigh, I guess I'll do your work for you and summarize your video for you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/20 05:41 PM
-3

Certainly I could do that but you posted this. If you can't even offer one reason why you specifically oppose this bill I question your motives and commitment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/20 05:06 PM
-1

I care a lot more about what the bill says than who's invited to the hearing. Unless the bill is biased and male survivors are not given the opportunity to plead their case to fix it. However, no one has actually said what is wrong with the bill. I'd say let them have their PC publicity as long as the bill will support men as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/20 05:05 PM
-1

I find it concerning that you still can't provide any concrete points of contention. What does the bill specify that you specifically disagree with?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/20 05:03 PM
0

But public policy does not require awareness unless that public policy is found to be specifically prejudice. Still no one has actually given me a reason to dislike this bill in the UK.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/20 03:55 PM
1

I don't mean to be rude but you heavily implied this. You started with "Not a fan of the Rock analogy." then followed with "I can't empathize with it in a scenario where I'm being significantly violated." Seems odd that your argument is "I personally don't know" rather than "My experience tells me that your analogy is faulty and therefore unrecognizable as a valid description of reality". You heavily implied the latter.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/20 03:50 PM
1

I can't empathize with it in a scenario where I'm being significantly violated.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/20 03:21 PM
1

I have sometimes allowed others to get away with rude and unfair behavior, yes, but that's more me deciding the violation is so minor that it isn't worth escalating, and less about "freezing". Imho, I felt this way as well in the past but I think it's a very harmful perspective. You're affectively saying "freezing" doesn't exist that it's simply a mild reaction to a mild disagreement. It takes effort to put yourself in the shoes of someone who has an experience that you cannot at all relate to b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/20 03:04 PM
-1

I totally agree with equal representation in important matters such as these but I've seen some fear mongering going on with regards to this issue. I still don't see any specific complaints about the proposal though. It's not enough to simply say "feminists are forcing their bias into this" without demonstrating where there is an actual concrete issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/20 02:43 PM
1

Sure but are they any specifics!? We can worry all day long but unless someone is specifically changing something I don't see what there is to complain about
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/20 06:03 PM
7

I took a look at both that thread and the article (and nothing else). I'm having trouble understanding. It all seems so vague. At no point did the article mention any specifics. It said stuff like "Critics worry the bill does not recognize the gendered nature of domestic abuse". What does that mean? What does the bill do exactly and what exact things do feminists disagree with? Without answering the specifics I can't support your cause as I have no idea what I'm supporting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/20 03:42 PM
17

I don't like that. The real issue is both. And also women have other real issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/20 01:19 AM
2

Totally agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 08:52 PM
1

Knowing that I agree!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 04:49 AM
1

Doesn't the context matter though? If she refuses to let you try anal that's maybe annoying but "red flag"? If she refuses to give you a blow job because she "doesn't like it anymore" that's a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 03:42 AM
2

Some sex is less "intimate" than things such as having a break down or pouring your heart out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 03:25 AM
1

I'm worried you see this as too black and white. Would you feel upset if you found out your partner doesn't want to give you massages as often as her ex? Doesn't it matter the context behind why?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 03:18 AM
3

"knew she shouldn't" isn't really a thing. Either someone is confident it's a bad idea or they are not. It's 2020, even monogamy is being questioned. If you require something of someone then state it. Here is an analogy: You make a new friend recently and you invite them a concert. They decline. You find out later they went a concert with their other friends. Is this person a bad friend? No you simply aren't good enough friends yet that they would base their schedule around you, or any other myr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 03:16 AM
1

Each partner will give in different ways at different frequencies. Also your partners will appreciate different things more or less than your exs. Sounds like we may only disagree on semantics. In general you should aim to give all your partners your best energy/effort. If they don't seem to reciprocate then a conversation needs to be had.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 02:59 AM
6

The analogy is breaking down now. A woman is not required to treat you sexually the way she treated all her partners. She is allowed to change her mind about how much sex she wants to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 02:37 AM
1

If I could see the entirety of my partner's past I shouldn't be able to find a person she treated better than me in any aspect. I guess I would agree in principle but I think this is a bit vague and leaves room for misunderstanding. I would say that they get what they deserve, I don't me to say it's a game or you should keep score but some of your ex's may be more generous or might have specific requests. Say one partner wants massages often but another wants you to do all the cooking. These req…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 02:36 AM
2

I think my last relationship ended because I cried in front of her listening to a podcast Not to blame you or anything but did she explain her reasoning at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 02:30 AM
1

Seems overly simplistic. LTR has more give and take than ONS. I would definitely marry someone who isn't a super model but it would be strange for me to go home with someone I don't feel strong attraction to. Love is it's own sort of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 02:28 AM
1

I'm confused why is this in any whorish? It's certainly a hint that she's using him (intentionally or not) but unless the guy picked up on other problems I don't think that one in of itself is all that bad. I am confused as to why anyone would do that but if they find random hook ups very hot then that makes sense to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 02:21 AM
6

I actually thought you were about to do a sarcastic flip at the end... I actually can't think of any, do you have an example?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/20 01:08 AM
0

It feels disingenuous to say "feminists" oppose sex dolls. I'd guess there are some very vocal crazies but most of the them would probably be very happy about it,
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/20 01:07 AM
3

Sure they have agency I'd argue so does a 16 year old. The difference that life experience makes on decision making is immense though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/20 04:45 PM
5

Imho, I disagree. Perhaps it's anecdotal as I haven't seen any studies on this subject at all but everyone I know including myself has changed a lot in 10 years (I'm 29). As a father I would be scared if my child was dating someone 20 years old then them only because the opportunity for manipulation is higher.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/20 03:49 PM
10

I feel ya. For some reason a lot of people got it in their head that men overexagerate their problems. When I described my issues I was told it was just normal. Turns out I have both anxiety and ADD.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/20 01:56 PM
38

Agreed, even if only 10% of people with anxiety were men they should also be given free coverage. I am lucky enough to live in Canada and even with that it took a long time before I was able to get a diagnosis. People around me couldn't even believe there was anything wrong with me. I can't imagine how hard it would be to be poor and have anxiety in america that would be terrifying.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/20 03:26 AM
1

It really saddens me to see this opinion upvoted here. This seems like a particularly bad faith argument that basically amounts to a "feminist conspiracy". I really doubt it's that "simple". It's probably more likely that they are just being manipulated by the "women are wonderful" effect to the extreme.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/20 05:40 PM
2

Imho, that's not correct. I've seen plenty of Feminists on Reddit defend porn and sex work. There is simply disagreement about how to protect these women. Some thing it's better to outlaw sex work others think it needs to be decriminalized.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/20 05:38 PM
1

I disagree that it's about rights. I see it more as the "oppression olympics". It's the concept that to be oppressed is to be justified in your actions. I've had people tell me it's okay to assault men when they do something "bad" because it's justified due to men normally being the "aggressor". By labeling all men as having privilege it's enabling women to create "power" that allows them to avoid criticism, take more than their fair share, and advocate for special privileges. Custody/praternal …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/20 02:21 PM
11

Sounds like you legitimately don't understand. I think what OP is getting at is that while it would be immoral to allow fathers to "legally stop an abortion" if they want the child it should be fair to allow fathers to "give up" their rights and responsibilities to the child, including child support. This is called "financial abortion". So yes, split custody should be the default I agree. But presently laws are unfair to fathers in that they have no say in whether a child is theirs or not. While…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 04:52 PM
1

Well it sounds like your doing the right thing. By the wording of your original comment it sounded like you were going to divorce your husband if they had a rough patch.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 05:48 PM
1

I wish it were that simple. At least I got a few free sessions for my issues and tons of free tests and a consult with a psychiatrist I guess but we have the same stigmas as the states. And long term therapy is very expensive
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 05:36 AM
2

I just assume 99% of the people on these subreddits are from America. I'm actually Canadian so it does feel weird to say that but it's simpler than saying "the west" or "north america" or "America and Canada".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 05:14 AM
1

I don't disagree with your assessment of "twox" but you made a negative generalization about all women. You can look to official appeal but that seems like a pretty clear "demonization" to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/20 05:02 AM
3

Well I certainly misjudged you! It sounds like you tried your very best, probably more than most people would do. I just hope you understand not all men that bottle up their feelings are like that!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 04:56 AM
0

Your post/comment was removed, because it demonized women. While generalized discussion of gendered traits is allowed, there is a line, and your comment was deemed to have crossed it. If you disagree with this ruling, please appeal by messaging the moderators.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/20 04:52 AM
1

Your post/comment was removed, because it demonized women. While generalized discussion of gendered traits is allowed, there is a line, and your comment was deemed to have crossed it. If you disagree with this ruling, please appeal by messaging the moderators.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/20 04:51 AM
5

And Salbris! I accepted!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/20 04:43 AM
4

Sounds like you're trying to assign blame to him which I don't like. I mean yes, ANYONE should aim to become independent and get the help they need but is it the depressed persons fault for not taking the effort to seek professional help? I'm not blaming you either, I know first hand how hard it is as I was in nearly the exact same situation except she was emotionally abusive, manipulative and generally unhelpful in almost every way. If anything I might blame our country for making it so hard fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 01:38 AM
15

Whining and “breaking down” to the point that I worry he won’t be able to fulfill his responsibilities to the family, no thank you. Please if you're really a wife reconsider this. If your husband "breaks down" it's not because he's weak it's because he's hurting. You are probably the only person he feels comfortable doing that in-front of.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 11:45 PM
1

Agreed. If you can't kindly ask your partner to spend a reasonable amount of money on luxury (non-essential) items than that's a relationship problem not a female problem. That being said I don't think OP meant "all" relationships but that it's the societal expectation that men are the breadwinners and women get to benefit by getting "stuff".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/20 11:39 PM
2

According to wikipedia that doesn't appear to be true but of course it might be wrong. Do you have a source?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/20 07:43 PM
9

You can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_tax I don't think I've ever seen a convincing argument besides some toys that are "pink" being priced more. Which isn't particularly surprising because that's how marketing works, you target a minority group and inflate the price since the demand is high. It's not sexism it's just how it works.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/20 03:33 PM
1

I'll show you an example of a recent post where I "overcame" the downvote storm and still contributed something reasonable to the discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/comments/gftyw9/ysk_if_you_think_women_should_do_all_the_cooking/fpw2y4j/?context=3 At first I was depressed by these downvotes but ultimately they just represent bias of the subreddit. There are still people that read further down.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/20 08:43 PM
1

This exactly. Try very hard to remain calm and collected. They are just the "hive-mind" downvoting like sheep so I wouldn't take the downvotes as anything "serious". Try your best to argue in good faith without defensive or harmful language and you'll achieve your basic goal of educating people. People like me generally read the highly downvoted posts both because they are sometimes entertaining and sometimes they are good but controversial opinions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/20 08:38 PM
5

If/when you get permission to add new moderators I'd like to volunteer! I've never been a moderator before but I'm fairly active on Reddit (and several gender based politics subreddits).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 07:18 PM
1

Well that's the implication of being labelled a "sex offender". Maybe we should reserve it for more heinous crimes?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/20 08:19 PM
4

I'm confused by your statement. He got life long suffering for this simple act. You think that's justified?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/20 03:39 PM
1

Sorry you misunderstood I mean when you heard about emotional labour it sounds like they were using whataboutism to diminish your complaint.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/20 01:43 AM
0

Sounds like whataboutism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/20 11:50 PM
1

"not unclearly" so clearly? I don't think they are that related. The second is a true fallacy to me. You are only right if the evidence for your position is well founded. People hating your idea is not good evidence for anything except that your idea is unpopular. The other fallacy you mentioned is about compromises which is totally different
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/20 04:16 PM
0

I don't like comparisons unless the difference is significant. I don't think homemaking with kids is significantly easier than the average job. Easier than exhausting physical labor? Yes of course. Easier than an office job? No it's probably about the same.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/20 04:13 PM
1

But that doesn't seem to be the definition you linked originally.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/20 06:18 AM
1

Meh, that "fallacy" seems like a strawman. Of course there is no "in between" for "no or all abortions" at least not when phrased like that. I believe that 90% of issues have a compromise position. A position where both sides have got some things right and some things wrong. It might be a more 60/40 split rather than 50/50 but it's very rarely one or the other extreme. Hell, half of what subreddits such as this advocate for are the same things feminists do. They just also decide to swing more to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/20 05:45 AM
4

It's because it's easier to lump everything that opposes you into one bucket and call them all "bad" rather than actually confronting the segment of your opposition that is reasonable. Imho, this subreddit is also guilty of this so it's not like it's a unique problem from the "woke crowd".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/20 05:37 AM
2

Certainly agree with that except again I've never heard anyone say "existing around MEN is emotional labor". Sounds like you agree that emotional labor is a real thing which is basically the point of my concern with some of the comments in this thread.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 07:17 PM
0

Oh possibly. I thought I've heard them intertwined though possibly as synonyms. I'm just concerned at the leap your taking. Unless you know otherwise, I've never seen someone directly claim that "Talking to your wife about your feelings causes her emotional labour". But yet your making that claim simply by extending other statements. Imho, that's disingenuous and only leads to further polarization of these topics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 04:37 PM
-2

Ooof side stepping all the meat of my post to argue about more definitions. I guess I'm done here you're clearly not interested in a debate about ideas.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 04:34 PM
-1

I mean it's not really an argument because I could say the exact same thing to you, that your stuck in an echo chamber as well. The difference is I'm not pretending like women have it easy in the situations referred to here. Perhaps we can agree the term has lost meaning then. But do you agree that there exist women who take on the labour described in my post?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 04:04 PM
-3

Imho, that's highly disingenuous. Let's not play their game. I've only seen emotional labour targeted at families where the man didn't understand that staying at home with kids is harder than it looks. It is more complicated than either you or "they" let on though. I'm not going to sit here and say being a stay at home parent is harder or the same amount of labour as working in say a factory. But many people feel it's at least comparable simply because it's a different type of labour that is har…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 03:19 PM
0

Imho, you're statement about emotional labour is incorrect. That's not to say that some people might mislabel it that way but anyone that calls listening to your spouse when they need emotional support "emotional labour" must certainly be biased or a sociopath. Let's not play their game and pretend like women are all sociopaths. They are affected by the societal norms as us. If they don't see it then try to have an earnest but non-confrontational conversion about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 03:13 PM
2

Wow that's an incredible resource thank you!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/20 05:41 PM
1

What the hell happened to this sub? Last day or so it seems to just be all memes and no content?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 01:38 AM
2

Seems like your fairly level headed so that's good! I would implore you to avoid such sweeping generalizations in the future. Very few things are ever so black and white.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/20 12:02 AM
3

I mean the fact that you think there doesn't exist a single example means that you are already too far gone. Any generalization like that is pointless. No idea what definition of privilege your using that wouldn't include (at least in some part) one of the following: Women expected and taught to be passive and therefore stereotyped as support rather than a hero or leader. Women being physically weaker Women stuck with being the one to carry a baby and all the discomfort associated. The expectati…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 10:02 PM
2

Imho, these statements are just as unhelpful as the things people on this subreddit complain about. The fact is you cannot simply compare apples and oranges. Men and women each have enough "disadvantages" that each deserves commitment to address. There is no point in declaring a winner or loser it just leads to needless fighting. Don't give into the oppression olympics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/20 07:54 PM
1

The fact that 1 guy can have sex with 10 women much easier than 10 guys and 1 girl in a monogamous manner I'm not sure I understand this part exactly. Can you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 03:51 PM
2

Right and also "do better" is kinda fuzzy as well. A smaller dating pool is not necessarily a bad thing, after all it's not exactly a zero sum game.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 02:22 PM
1

Interesting. I'm kinda new to these terms but while it's undeniable that taller men have a larger dating pool why is that so significant? I guess height is basically impossible to change so that's part of it. But does a man that is 5'8 or 5'6 really have that restricted of a dating pool? Does it really matter when it comes to marriage or long term relationships? Doesn't other factors such as wealth or personality reduce the effect of height?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 06:02 AM
1

Guess that's true but also a trivial argument to make without proof. I think the onis is on the OP to prove that many women act the way he believes they do
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 06:06 PM
16

I guess someone forgot to tell my girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 12:07 AM
1

I don't think anyone disagrees with that premise but it's important to be accurate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/20 11:57 PM
2

Do you have a source for rape being equal that's a pretty bold claim.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/20 07:49 PM
1

Not sure why your inclined to make assumptions. It's as if you don't believe that being emotionally triggered is real. I'm not saying I have all the answers but these counselors are justified in their actions
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/20 04:55 PM
1

Agreed that complicates things but I don't think the answer is "screw it everyone should just deal with it!". There is always going to be edge cases when dealing with emotional trauma. Solo 1:1 counseling is always an option, although an expensive one is some places.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/20 03:23 PM
1

This isn't simply walking by someone this is pouring your heart out about the most vulnerable you've felt. You want someone who is seeking support to feel as comfortable as reasonable possible. I agree there must be some serious complications for homosexuals but I don't really see any solutions to that besides encouraging solo counseling.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/20 12:01 AM
1

I think that is valid for a different reason. No one wants to be surrounded by things that remind them of their trauma. The real problem is that these groups or resources aren't provided for men as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/20 08:02 PM
2

My point isn't about percentage it's about different experiences. A male breast cancer patient has practically the same experience as any other male cancer patient. While a women had a distinctly different experience simply because breasts are different culturally and physically for women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/20 05:03 PM
6

Isn't that kinda reasonable? Like they are going to be talking about losing breasts and the humiliation of the tests where as his experiences aren't really comparable? I'd imagine there are groups that deal with cancer in general...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/20 03:47 PM
7

I mean you see the same problem when you go to any subreddit about attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 05:23 AM
2

It's interesting though that in the West, it is commonly legal for women to receive them, even though it's usually illegal for men. Not trying to be a asshole but I've literally never heard of this do you have some links or something I can about this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/20 12:45 AM
2

But that impossible to achieve across the board. Each family operates differently. The solution has to involve reasonable legal protections for vulnerable parties and reasonable expectations for all. For example it's not fair that a bread winner does 50% of the emotional labor and 100% of the traditional labor. I'm not sure if there is much of a legal solution to the second part. Seems like it has to be done culturally or socially
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/20 10:57 PM
0

I'd wager the main reason is because it's a lot of work and no one would have a family if it meant working 8-10 hour days while doing all the emotional labour as well. I'd be curious to see the research with regards to families where both parents work roughly equal hours. I've seen many stories where parents claim emotional labour is equally distributed in these situations. I wish more feminists would argue in good faith from the perspective of how emotional labour is fair or equal with regards …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/20 09:52 PM
2

Sure but what's the alternative? That problem exists as long as any one partner works and the other doesn't. It also exists if one partner makes substantially more. It's still not unpaid labour is just labour without as much of a safety net. But also there are many protections for these cases. Women in divorce situations get lot of support and benefits.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/20 09:48 PM
1

Just be aware that not everyone thinks the way you do. I've gotten in trouble for both making a decision and asking for too much advice. I think like everything in life the moderate approach is the most sensible. Try to understand your partner's needs and how comfortable you are with fulfilling them. For example, I hate taking charge on decisions and so does my girlfriend. So usually we take turns but I'm still bad at it often. It's actually become a diffusion of responsibility in many cases or …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 09:44 PM
8

Hell, I've seen it phrased more specifically around daily household logistics when it comes to the classic breadwinner husband. They claim women take the brunt of emotional labour because they stay at home with the children and plan most of the families activities. Namely this would include: Meals: cooking, planning, shopping. Child care: activities, nursing, planning, research Chores Finances Other family activities like vacations and holidays Now I totally agree that is a lot of things to do a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/20 08:10 PM
5

Exactly this is why I've also been very uncomfortable with the recent trend of calling anything good a man does as "big dick energy".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/19 10:36 PM
1

I said something exactly like this to vincetbriatore. We don't have covered numbers on the grey area. It could be that most of the grey area is actually unproven rape or that most is false accusations. We simply don't know without some really good studies. What we do know is that it's like 35% conviction rate. So again you really think the 1000 to 1 statement was even remotely true?
/r/MensRights24/09/18 11:02 PM
2

So rather than accept the real amount is closer to 5% we are going to argue about completely hypothetical things. Worse yet two commentors above me get to pretend like it's 1000 to 1 or 90% false accusations while I get downvoted for pointing this out.
/r/MensRights24/09/18 08:42 PM
1

I don't agree, false accusation means the accusation is false not the conviction.
/r/MensRights24/09/18 02:59 PM
1

Your missing the grey area between guilty and false allegation. Unproven doesn't automatically mean someone lied.
/r/MensRights24/09/18 02:45 PM
0

So every time a man loses a sexual harrasment case in court or is ignored by police he is lying? Do you see how bad that logic is? Look, I agree the number is something higher than 5% but within that get area are also legitimate rapes that lacked evidence. Not to mention some there is a backlog of rapekits in America the legit number could easily be much higher.
/r/MensRights24/09/18 02:29 PM
1

That is some conspiracy level thinking. There have been many studies on this. I've seen no back lash. Defending unfounded exaggerations with the idea that people are afraid to do a bit of statistical analysis is quite paranoid and ignorant imho.
/r/MensRights24/09/18 02:26 PM
1

Those aren't proven false allegations.
/r/MensRights24/09/18 05:32 AM
3

The Wikipedia article about it seems to indicate that there is some disagreements about the exactly numbers but most people it at 5% or so. Still somewhat worrying but far from what's claimed in this thread.
/r/MensRights24/09/18 05:03 AM
2

Did you forget a /s?
/r/MensRights24/09/18 04:44 AM
-41

I'm going to let you stew on that for a bit. Perhaps you will see how illogical that is. Take your time, I'll wait.
/r/MensRights24/09/18 04:30 AM
1

I'm sure being a reality tv show host helped his popularity quite a bit.
/r/MensRights24/09/18 04:28 AM
-36

Pro-tip, don't believe everything said to you.
/r/MensRights24/09/18 04:25 AM
-31

Both of you have provided excellent sources for your claims. I applaud you for you due diligence.
/r/MensRights24/09/18 04:22 AM
2

Well after digging for a while. One of the better sites I found (because it had a source) was this: https://www.childtrends.org/indicators/infant-homicide#_edn2 Which only said that women kill more children in the first week and men the rest of the time. Perhaps someone can point me to something that actually proves OPs statement?
/r/MensRights23/09/18 04:21 AM
1

Were not fishing my friend we are having discourse.
/r/MensRights23/09/18 01:54 AM
1

No, the man is just a demented pervert. The female is the ultimate at fault here. I can see there is no debate here. You are simply sexist. I can't even imagine how to argue you out of that line of thinking.
/r/MensRights22/09/18 07:59 PM
1

The police investigated and said it was consensual. But were talking about a statistic and you're bringing up an article? You need better proof then an old article. You need a peer review study at a minimum.
/r/MensRights22/09/18 07:48 PM
1

You're the one making the claim. If every time someone questions your statements of "fact" is to ask them to Google it then you might want to consider whether they are facts or if you're being a tad biased. It shouldn't be that hard to defend your position.
/r/MensRights22/09/18 07:03 PM
1

You're creating a strawman there my friend. No reasonable person would ever defend her. Both are at fault in the particular case, although the man much more so, obviously.
/r/MensRights22/09/18 07:02 PM
0

Stats show that most daughters raped by boys and their parents report it to the police, find out that the sex was actually consensual and the parents just would not believe that their innocent lovely would succumb to carnal pleasure. I would to see that statistic.
/r/MensRights22/09/18 06:17 PM
0

I wasn't presenting it as evidence I was presenting it as a tool to understand the situation.
/r/MensRights22/09/18 06:16 PM
5

I don't understand this subreddit sometimes. Someone asks for proof and is downvoted while OP gets to spout generalizations? How about we don't become what we mock?
/r/MensRights22/09/18 06:15 PM
1

I'm not saying it doesn't happen but what are the statistics? Is it 90% killed by mothers in the first week or it is more like 10%? I mean I agree that this really shouldn't be a gendered issue but you seem to want to make it about an attack on mothers. What about the young mothers who allow their male partners to abuse their babies to death. You forgot about those eh? Forgot about? I have no idea what the statistics are for that case but in general I wouldn't rarely blame another adult for the …
/r/MensRights22/09/18 06:13 PM
0

It's only real if it's in the news?
/r/MensRights22/09/18 06:07 PM
3

Update: This seems to be a decent resource for understanding how the process works. https://victimsofcrime.org/docs/default-source/dna-resource-center-documents/dna-sak-victim-brofinal.pdf?sfvrsn=2
/r/MensRights22/09/18 05:02 PM
5

I mean it's a pretty widely known thing. My guess as to why it's not bigger news that it probably mostly affects the poor. Honestly, I don't know the whole story but the backlog is quite real.
/r/MensRights22/09/18 04:59 PM
29

I mean there is a huge backlog of rape kits untested wouldn't that show that most could be guilty but aren't prosecuted properly?
/r/MensRights22/09/18 04:12 PM
-4

I mean didn't you contradict yourself? Is the first week of life really comparable to the 18 years preceding? I've seen similar statistics showing men were more likely to kill children as well. I don't think it means there is an epidemic or anything but it would nice to get facts straight.
/r/MensRights22/09/18 03:59 PM
1

Not the exact thing but they portray the left is the same light. So it's pretty balanced.
/r/MensRights21/09/18 05:10 PM
63

Exactly, why teach a population where 99% don't do the thing to not do the thing.
/r/MensRights21/09/18 04:32 PM
1

Sounds like the worst part isn't that there was a mistake it's that the punishment is so severe and it isn't retracted when a mistake was made. I also think the MeToo is misplaced, perhaps the OPs quote is illogical as well but the MeToo movement is harming people based on hearsay not evidence. I would only really ever be in favor of punishing people with at least some decent evidence.
/r/MensRights21/09/18 01:38 PM
3

I get the generally sentiment of the quote but is that really a good moral philosophy? Couldn't an innocent man be absolved of the crime after some time but the guilty men might continue to cause harm to society in the meantime? Wouldn't it be better to simply treat all criminals with respect and try to fill in the gaps where there lacks evidence? Sexual assault is a particularly difficult thing to deal with in law since most of the time there probably isn't that much hard evidence to work on. I…
/r/MensRights21/09/18 04:06 AM
29

Remember women do all the housework so it's more like they work 80 hours a week. /s
/r/MensRights17/09/18 04:35 AM
12

Another problem I see is that after I voiced a concern I got tons of support yet this poster has more upvotes than any other comment in here. Either there is a growing problem of incels or they are using something like bots to inflate their popularity. Either way scary stuff.
/r/MensRights16/09/18 07:23 PM
5

There are facts and there is sexism. I'm sorry you're not interested in arguing in good faith, have a good day.
/r/MensRights16/09/18 06:38 PM
8

Getting knocked up is not an accomplishment, in fact it is more often an utter failure. Wide generalizations about all parents calling them failures. I'm pretty sure that counts as "tearing down". Not to mention calling single mothers extra failures. I get it, feminism is hurting us in ways but what you're doing is childish. You're only hurting the reputation of the movement and this subreddit more by comments like this. If that's okay with you then carry on.
/r/MensRights16/09/18 06:27 PM
78

I think this highlights again for me the decline in this subreddit. Can we make this less about tearing people down and more about mens rights?
/r/MensRights16/09/18 06:17 PM
1

She obliviously meant that as a hyperbole to people's attention but she seemed to think vasectomy's are reversible and men are solely to blame for unwanted pregnancy.
/r/MensRights15/09/18 04:18 PM
2

Most importantly, it's not reversible though. It's something like 30% successful recovery after 10 years.
/r/MensRights15/09/18 05:57 AM
3

I really wish I could write this off as just stupid and ignorant but given how much support it's being given this is getting very close to hate speech. I've seen all kinds of crazy stuff posted here but reading the comments on that articles made me sick to my stomach.
/r/MensRights15/09/18 02:04 AM
-5

Imho, as someone who follows both this and /r/feminism I'd say your bias is showing. While /r/fem might be considered naive and isolated to their own bubble I've rarely ever seen anything truly hateful that wasn't downvoted into oblivion. Meanwhile, on this subreddit I've seen numerous things upvoted that made we wish this subreddit would actually ban people.
/r/MensRights13/09/18 05:13 AM
38

Exactly this. She is not the "ally" we want.
/r/MensRights10/09/18 12:39 AM
2

Where is the source for your headline claims? The presentation you mentioned doesn't appear to show that statistic about tweets.
/r/MensRights08/09/18 04:32 PM
2

You literally said in the title "50% of misogynistic tweets are from women" which is a straight copy from the other article.
/r/MensRights08/09/18 03:26 PM
2

That your basing this on some absolutely useless analysis.
/r/MensRights08/09/18 03:02 AM
2

It sounds like you're referring to that other article posted. As I mentioned there it's an entirely over simplistic view. They only looked at occurrences of "slut" and "whore" in tweets. And didn't disclose how they tried to analyze context. So basically it's a useless analysis.
/r/MensRights07/09/18 10:31 PM
11

C'mon now after reading the first paragraph you can easily see how this is a terrible analysis. They only look at two words "slut" and "whore". They mention some algorithm to detect if they were used in spite rather than "conversationally" but there are no details about false negatives/positives nor are there any examples for us to make comparisons. Given how often women complain on twitter this could easily just be picking up those tweets.
/r/MensRights07/09/18 05:58 PM
1

But shouldn't it be considered lesser? It's not like he cornered them. Should someone really lose their career because someone consented to them because they are popular? That doesn't seem very fair. Why lump people like him in with the real predators?
/r/MensRights05/09/18 02:55 AM
6

FYI: Google doesn't curate articles this article is shown because of the current political climate.
/r/MensRights04/09/18 05:16 AM
2

literally what they are doing. "feminists advocate for some private events to be exclusively for women" Were still pretty far away from segregation.
/r/MensRights02/09/18 05:30 PM
1

Oh okay so useless hyperbole then.
/r/MensRights02/09/18 12:39 PM
-1

I thought we're supposed to be above strawman arguments?
/r/MensRights02/09/18 06:06 AM
1

I should have also qualified that with large productions. I think it would be acceptable if Anthony Bourdain did something wrong that his show would be removed but his girlfriend?
/r/MensRights02/09/18 02:36 AM
1

Agreed. It would be acceptable if they are the producer and lead "actor" in say a documentary or comedy show but as a secondary character?
/r/MensRights02/09/18 02:13 AM
1

The US is huge and has some pretty incredible social problems. Doesn't seem like a fair comparison. Compare it to other countries it's size with similar histories. Not to mention that life expectancy isn't everything.
/r/MensRights31/08/18 08:21 PM
1

We'll biology influences culture and people hate change so cultural ideas can stick around for a long time even as we equalize society.
/r/MensRights31/08/18 08:00 PM
1

And that may prove to be true but I certain have never seen the evidence for that. Do you have reliable statistics from non-western countries to do some analysis? Hell, even that could be flawed since many countries have had significant western influence.
/r/MensRights31/08/18 05:57 PM
1

But freedom to choose isn't exactly accurate. Egalitarian society's can still be affected by cultural bias. I for one don't want politicians to only people who want those positions. I think leaders of our society such and scientists, business men, engineer/inventors, etc should be a big part of politics. As it stands right now we have career politicians instead. I have a feeling that when politics is more about the needs of the society rather than just a career we will find diversity happens as …
/r/MensRights31/08/18 05:34 PM
2

Any reasonable person hopefully understands that one election with 50% women isn't suddenly going to fix all our "problems". Without years of studying various countries (not just third world countries) with varying amounts of diversity I don't see how anyone can make a factual claim.
/r/MensRights31/08/18 01:58 PM
1

Women do not make the life choices, take the risks, etc, I don't really think there is enough evidence for this yet. Culture plays a huge part in this and so these kinds of statistics are likely to change over time.
/r/MensRights31/08/18 01:24 PM
1

Listen this is just as silly and pointless as anything the far-left says. Those countries were fucked long before anyone had a chance to do anything about it. Imperialism has been pretty horrible to a lot of people.
/r/MensRights31/08/18 01:21 PM
7

Just goes to show the state of the subreddit when you can say "shitting out kids" and get the upvotes. C'mon guys this isn't hard. What you're basically proposing is that women be afforded no help even though they are literally the only members of our species capable of having children.
/r/MensRights31/08/18 03:53 AM
6

Uh ravenchamps is not the shooter: https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/9av2g3/im_apparently_the_madden_shooter_whats_up/
/r/MensRights28/08/18 03:08 AM
1

Sure, and at worst maybe these people are naive and subject to corruption. I'm not saying pure socialism is a smart idea but to conflate the crazy things the radical left does with "socialism" is incredibly divisive and unhelpful.
/r/MensRights20/08/18 01:37 AM
7

Oh cmon, don't conflate the two. You can be socialist and reasonable.
/r/MensRights19/08/18 06:46 PM
1

Oh boy, she must have followed my post history or something because I was just banned even though I haven't posted anything new on /r/Feminism.
/r/MensRights19/08/18 03:35 PM
2

No not quite. It points to a problem but any generalizations are guaranteed to be highly inaccurate.
/r/MensRights19/08/18 12:42 AM
13

After a conversation in the thread in /r/feminism a moderator threatened to ban me because my argument was in "bad faith". Oh boy...
/r/MensRights18/08/18 05:50 PM
1

I also wonder how those statistics relate to the gender of child. I wonder if this explains why men commit more crimes than women since fathers are not respected as much (and are out of the picture as a result).
/r/MensRights16/08/18 10:27 PM
9

I agree and it saddens me that people downvoted you and upvoted this article. That was her second argument and it's just downright naive. If I recall correctly, statistics show that most sexual assault happens between family members and close friends not strangers. Not to mention I imagine anyone can understand what it's like to horny "attraction" isn't always a priority, now try to imagine being horny and having the psychology necessary to rape someone. I doubt what they look like wouldn't matt…
/r/MensRights16/08/18 09:18 PM
2

I think one silver lining is that when this was posted in the feminist subreddit yesterday they unanimously agreed that this is a problem. Several said they lost respect for those that voiced support for the professor.
/r/MensRights15/08/18 11:39 PM
2

Wait then by that logic they are misandrist because many also claim that "kill all men" is just a joke.
/r/MensRights07/08/18 01:22 AM
9

Definitely not restricted but you're still an asshole if you do it without tact.
/r/MensRights07/08/18 01:22 AM
14

My current theory is that they are so invested in the moral injustice that they completely discount anything practical to the extreme. This seems to be the case for their movement also being in huge support of communism.
/r/MensRights07/08/18 01:08 AM
-4

There are shitty people out there but if you think a respectable feminist condones this then you're part of the problem. Politics and public discourse is so fucked right now because people like you think your opposition are all crazy.
/r/MensRights07/08/18 01:02 AM
-15

Listen, people like you are abusing this tragedies for all the wrong reasons. Feminism didn't cause this anymore than MRAs don't cause mass shootings or whatever bullshit the far-left thinks. Don't be like them, this is an issue only in so far that women are always believed to be innocent that's all but that belief doesn't cause this.
/r/MensRights06/08/18 05:41 PM
6

FYI: This user you're responding to is a troll. Many of us have noticed them creeping around posting inflammatory useless stuff like this all over this subreddit.
/r/MensRights26/07/18 02:36 AM
1

Perhaps but SJW types are generally pretty left and that entire subculture is pushing very anti-men agendas. Maybe it's not "the left" but it's also mainly coming from their crowd. I say this as a left-center type.
/r/MensRights25/07/18 01:14 AM
4

I mean the root cause of all behaviour is your environment, society, parents, genes, etc. It's not helpful to try and stop the argument at "it's their responsibility to not be terrible". I think it's societies responsibility to find way to make it so bad people become rarer to find.
/r/MensRights25/07/18 12:45 AM
0

Well when MensRight is pushed to the fringes what do you expect? You think being ignored and called Nazis causes people to become more respectful and determined?
/r/MensRights25/07/18 12:31 AM
3

The problem is that there is some intersection between the two. I blame the left for pushing away healthy discussion to the point where mens rights is taboo.
/r/MensRights25/07/18 12:17 AM
1

But we still have to make up for all the oppression in the past so maybe lets make 3x as many books?
/r/MensRights24/07/18 06:28 PM
3

Serious question, say we all agreed to give up complaining about these people trying to undo historically bad things and we just accept them 100%. At what point have we made up for history? For each play put on that excluded women should we have one all female cast to balance it out? Then we call it a day and go back to a free-for-all of talent? How about we stop with all that silliness and just create awesome things without worrying about "diversity"?
/r/MensRights24/07/18 03:29 AM
23

My guess would be like all things terrible people co-op them for their own purposes. I've never heard anyone saying "Boys will be boys" but I can totally see a terrible person using that as a scapegoat. It's just funny that these feminists stereotype men this way.
/r/MensRights19/07/18 03:55 AM
11

Everytime I argue this with a feminist they say that everywhere is already a safe space for a man. It's like they have no idea they are being sexist.
/r/MensRights18/07/18 03:30 PM
4

This argument isn't valid. It's like saying men shouldn't be allowed in conversations about abortions.
/r/MensRights25/06/18 02:17 PM
6

Exactly, you want to stop harassment in the work place, start here. Your not going to change people's minds by forcing them to work with someone less qualified.
/r/MensRights25/06/18 02:07 PM
0

Even more importantly is that these last should have more nuance. 19 and 14 is way more acceptable than 40 and a 16.
/r/MensRights22/06/18 05:33 PM
3

"AS LONG AS A WOMAN DOESN'T GET IGNORED, HURT, UNNECESSARILY DEVALUED, OR USED, I'M CONDITIONED TO FEEL LIKE THAT'S A WIN." Wow, I imagine lots of women were hurt in that movie. Hell, they literally show a screencap where one is being stabbed.
/r/MensRights22/06/18 04:27 AM
2

Exactly lol!
/r/MensRights21/06/18 08:33 PM
22

I think that's the point, it's quite silly. It's more like they are saying that the mother has been hammering the point in her head for 15 years.
/r/MensRights21/06/18 05:03 PM
36

I think the claim is more that he molested her at a young age and she didn't remember cuz she was young.
/r/MensRights21/06/18 04:00 PM
15

Umm polygraphs are not actually used, they are inconsistent. There more often used as a way to track criminals than anything else. Edit: "they are inconsistent"
/r/MensRights21/06/18 03:55 PM
-7

I'm really only interested in the facts here not your assumptions. I also think you misrepresent the topless argument. It's not just about dressing differently it's about desexualizing breasts which I think it's probably not a bad idea since breast feeding is a thing.
/r/MensRights17/06/18 05:31 AM
17

I really don't get the argument they are trying to make. I imagine a private institution is legally allowed to mandate some reasonable dress code. So what, they want to remove that law? Punish institutions that enforce a dress code? Anyone have the story on this and her motives?
/r/MensRights17/06/18 02:19 AM
1

My point is that's a gross exaggeration and as I said it's extremely illogical. So answer me point blank, do you believe men do the same things? Or are you going to talk around in circles avoiding your mistake?
/r/MensRights16/06/18 04:41 AM
1

I have never met a single man, even the psychos, that react the way the average woman reacts when her advances are rejected Okay so technically you didn't say terrible. But you literally used the word never. Also to be fair you were stating it is an observation. However, that's only be technicality. You honestly expect me to believe your intention was to say "I've never seen a bad man but who knows maybe they exist". No I very much doubt that, you spun a narrative just like I said.
/r/MensRights16/06/18 03:20 AM
1

Sure, define "generally true". And then prove your original statement that women are terrible but not men is general true.
/r/MensRights16/06/18 12:18 AM
2

Your serious aren't you? So you think it's logical to say "all of these billion people are terrible because the 5 i encountered were terrible"? Why do I even have to explain something this simple to anyone on this subreddit is beyond me.
/r/MensRights15/06/18 09:01 PM
3

This sub is going downhill fast. Really someone makes a generalization using anecdotes and gets upvoted while being called out merits downvotes? How about we stop with this petty shit and be a movement that has integrity. I'm sorry you had to go through that, my ex was abusive, it sucks. But don't use that to form a narrative, the fact is men and women can be horrible.
/r/MensRights15/06/18 04:06 PM
2

I guess I'm referring to an ideal world where men have proper birth control and mandatory child support is abolished. I'm having a hard time constructing more of a counter argument :)
/r/MensRights12/06/18 03:57 AM
2

Agreed but the women has an extra burden. I guess there isn't a compelling reason why the man should make up the difference it could be tax payers. But someone should.
/r/MensRights12/06/18 01:01 AM
2

I agree except the opt-in. Women have the burden of pregnancy it wouldn't be fair for a man to simply opt out of that situation that they created together. Legally it might make more sense to prove that the man was using protection then allow full opt out. I absolutely disagree that a man should pay child support for 18 years though.
/r/MensRights12/06/18 12:44 AM
3

Trying to have open discussion about abortion and rights: I'm still not sure how I feel about this. If I were to create an argument for advocating for abortion even though it provides women with more rights I'd say women also have more burden or responsibilities. The biological fact is that women control the body used to create a baby so they already have an extra burden men don't. I can see it being reasonable then to give them more rights to offset that. Furthermore, how else can we equalize t…
/r/MensRights11/06/18 09:17 PM
7

Unfortunately I think it's worse than that. It's not so much that they collectively decided that debate was a bad option it's more like they found that "activism" is what they prefer. We're over here trying to have a discussion and they are protesting at universities saying we are nazis.
/r/MensRights11/06/18 09:04 PM
1

See? Exactly what I mean, the immediate need to downplay a specific male experience in favor of women, when there's no need to do so. I only did that to illustrate their thought process not to advocate for that. And it's something I heavily agree with this subreddit even though in some areas women have it worse there is very little reason to treat it like they are oppressed. It's similar to beautiful people vs ugly people we wouldn't say the ugly are oppressed just that each of us has a small in…
/r/MensRights11/06/18 07:36 PM
1

That bridge story was popular on this subreddit months ago. If I recall feminists claimed it was 100% women then it collapsed and people found out it was a mixed team.
/r/MensRights09/06/18 10:23 PM
-3

As someone who is liberal but like most on this subreddit I think that 3rd wave feminism has some issues I think there are some reasons to indicate that women are disadvantaged. Ultimately, they should have extra health care because there are complete different biologically and those differences have greater needs. That being said more men die from prostate cancer so cancer really shouldn't be a gendered issue. Women do face a lot of harassment and due to societal norms they face prejudicial tre…
/r/MensRights07/06/18 07:18 AM
3

Imho, as an Ontarian about to vote. I'm still voting NDP because this is only one small issue with an otherwise decent platform. I mean she's a politician and liberal leaning it would be career suicide to not have a section for feminism. This is exactly what I dislike about modern feminism though it's become a staple of liberal politics with no logic or thought behind it. It's basically just pandering. I'm sure she cares about those things but I doubt it's high priority so I don't see it as a bi…
/r/MensRights28/05/18 02:34 AM
1

Nah, you're fine man. I was just taken aback when I heard what you've been through. Stay strong, you have support here.
/r/MensRights25/05/18 01:26 PM
4

Either this guy has had the worst life or... I really hope he's not making this up because this is too much hell for anyone to bare: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/74uxkv/i_hate_that_im_happy_that_my_ex_motherinlaw_died/ Edit: I've looked through his post history I don't see anything to indicate fraud.
/r/MensRights25/05/18 04:16 AM
10

Recently I argued that the "men are trash" thing is sexist and one feminist said it was just a joke... How is that even funny?
/r/MensRights13/05/18 02:31 PM
-10

I expected more of this sub. No one seems to care that these women might have done nothing wrong. Posts like this are so bad for the image of an MRA because it makes you all look like extreme antifeminists
/r/MensRights12/05/18 12:23 AM
8

He raises some good points but several times he argues that the movie is too focused on advocating for Men's Rights instead of presenting arguments against. Seems like that's sort of the point? I don't think I've ever seen a "balanced" documentary, the whole point of the movie was to advocate for Men's Rights....
/r/MensRights01/05/18 03:53 PM
22

Please stop this your not helping anyone by saying shit like this.
/r/MensRights01/05/18 04:12 AM
11

Ya but men are the murderers so who cares! /s
/r/MensRights01/05/18 04:11 AM
3

I wondered the same thing I imagine it could simply be that affecting the release or attachment of an egg is easier but stopping sperm production is hard? Also women must have had tons of research in their favour due to labour so I imagine some of that research helps teach us about birth control.
/r/MensRights21/04/18 04:06 AM
1

Really? Maybe I'm still new to this but it actually feels more rooted in stereotype. Ex. guy walking around at night with a hoodie = rapist guy who likes children = pedophile Then they try there hardest to use emotional arguments and bad statistics to prove their bias.
/r/MensRights28/03/18 08:34 PM
6

I suppose that's true however what's more fair to base your choice on race and sexuality or on the quality of work? The problem isn't "women are taking mens places" it's "women are elevated for no reason other than they are not men". I imagine most people here would love to see a company release a statement saying "We found several cases of sexism in our hiring practices and editorial staff and took action to fix it. Now 40% of the articles we published are from women." But instead we get statem…
/r/MensRights15/03/18 08:21 PM
0

Glad i'm not the only one who saw that.
/r/MensRights03/03/18 07:02 PM
1

It's 100% easier to find the right spot by yourself. Took me a while to figure things out but I'm glad I did.
/r/MensRights19/02/18 05:59 AM
1

Does that change significantly with online classes?
/r/MensRights08/02/18 05:37 PM
7

Imho, you shouldn't deprive your daughter of the college experience becuase she might take a feminist class.
/r/MensRights08/02/18 04:21 PM
0

What I mean to say is that you'll find each groups compromises of members of various beliefs which could be arranged from reasonable to radical. I think it's reasonable for to say that feminism is no longer a set of unifying principles, you can be feminist and disregard many of the modern notions of justice they preach. It's quite the loose definition and so they have a huge variety of members.
/r/MensRights23/01/18 02:36 PM
1

Cmon now people I think we can all agree members of both the movements are a continuous spectrum of radicals and reasonable people. Let's not be like the radicals that say MRA are nazis, etc
/r/MensRights22/01/18 10:58 PM
199

At first I'm like "whatever this isn't female privilege as much as it is just social inequality in general" but you're right if this was reversed I imagine this would have been all over the news and social media and we would never hear the end of it.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:39 PM
2

I assume it's not lengthy and so most people read it. The problem is that people looking to be victims will interpret it differently.
/r/MensRights11/01/18 11:19 PM
4

Isn't it also highly relevant why it's mostly men dying? In both cases we have to look deeper at the why instead of just pretending like male aggression is the only reason murder happens.
/r/MensRights04/01/18 06:16 AM
6

I don't get how there seem to be so many saying that and also so many saying Feminism helps men too!
/r/MensRights04/01/18 06:11 AM
-9

I really hate to see so many up votes for something so outrageous with no proof. Not saying it's not true but extraordinary claims...
/r/MensRights03/01/18 05:25 AM
1

Wouldn't assuming there is "many more" be a logical fallacy. If you can't verify the statistics to exist it doesn't seem right to use any other value unfortunately. I had a similar arguments on /r/Feminism when i was showing that murder of transgender individuals was nearly the same as the murder rate for the whole country but they said "there are many misreported cases of transgender deaths" which was a good enough argument for them apparently.
/r/MensRights12/12/17 03:31 PM
3

That comes off as offensive. Sure she didn't hold up well in this "debate" but you don't immediately disregard her opinion because her gender/sex.
/r/MensRights14/10/17 04:17 AM
-1

Just keep in mind this was over 20 pounds actually not 150 which seems like a strange reason to even list but I guess this guy cared that much. It's totally okay for people to have preferences and in this case it sounds like it was just the cherry on top but in general it's a pretty shitty thing to base attraction on 20+ or - pounds.
/r/MensRights13/10/17 03:16 PM
10

I don't want to assume anything but it's worth pointing out that you may be the kind of person creating some of these problems. It's especially alarming when you said "or drive them out". Maybe take a step back and check yourself?
/r/MensRights28/09/17 04:17 AM
6

Does that seem constructive to you? I don't see that as benefitting any movement, just causing more vitriol in culture of "us vs them". How about just refuse to work with assholes male or female?
/r/MensRights28/09/17 02:47 AM
0

Your really not helping your cause pretending any one side has it extra bad. All sides have some major problems.
/r/MensRights03/08/17 04:40 PM
-2

Jeez that's sexist man. Let's not pretend women have it good. I'm not saying they are attacked as feminists think but they certainly have problems
/r/MensRights02/08/17 09:11 PM
3

Maybe when it comes to feminists but in everyday life? I've experienced a ton of discrimination for not being an Alpha type male.
/r/MensRights02/08/17 09:08 PM
1

16 years apart. One is attempted murder. And fingering is a pretty horrible thing to do to someone who isn't consenting how is that not rape?
/r/MensRights26/07/17 07:17 PM
1

I don't think it helps anyone's cause to try and claim your side hurts more unless you have good evidence like the workplace hazard stats. Instead both sides probably have it similarly bad
/r/MensRights10/07/17 03:28 AM
1

Well it's not messing with their life necessarily one possible solution is having more opportunities for people to try things they wouldn't normally. Say your family wants you to dance instead of being an engineer that you would prefer. If schools had more programs for young kids to try out different things then we wouldn't have to rely on parents showing their these things.
/r/MensRights04/07/17 06:42 AM
-1

I agree it's not reasonable to just give more money to people because they chose a lower paying profession but there should be some effort to reduce the effects of things like family pressure on career choice.
/r/MensRights04/07/17 05:31 AM
38

I mean I'm all for mens rights and all that but would you really be 100% confident saying that there is "nothing"? Cultural stigmatism towards certain interests and careers is certainly a thing. Hard to quantify but certainly something. Anecdotally I've heard many stories from female friends that were practically bullied by family members to choose certain careers. That being said I've had similar pressure to enter the military when that was the last thing I wanted to do. Seems to be something b…
/r/MensRights04/07/17 04:32 AM
3

You do not help your cause by making statements like that. Remember that.
/r/MensRights04/07/17 01:50 AM
4

That's like saying "no one has ever died from non-physical bullying".
/r/MensRights17/05/17 01:24 AM
7

Try not to spread stories for which you have little or no evidence of. It's not helping anyone.
/r/MensRights09/05/17 05:11 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

© TheRedArchive 2026. All rights reserved.
created by /u/dream-hunter