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yeah, because it is harder for the women to be accused of being misogynists.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:28 AM
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The fact that boys can have their genitals mutilated but not girls, is female privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:24 PM
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It's really interesting that nearly all feminist discourse on male circumcision is focused on insisting it isn't as bad as female genital mutilation, rather than condemning male circumcision itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:04 PM
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The study was about how difficult it was for men to access help after being abused. Just because the resources are there on paper, doesn't mean they will be given. If you scroll down far enough past the introduction/rationale, you'll see the quotes from the participants on what happened when they actually tried to get help. Bottom line is, the lack of men victims seeking help (as you said in your experience) isn't due to the lack of prevalence of abuse against men, but rather the institutional d…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:05 PM
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8336931/ Our review of the literature on men’s help seeking behaviours following PV victimization showed that there are limited services available specifically for male victims and the existing services may often perceive men as the primary aggressors, even when the female partner is the only perpetrator Here's a good source. Keep in mind that this research was done in an academic environment where acknowledging domestic abuse against men could get a rese…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:51 PM
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The shelter I volunteer at is not gender specific Do you make it explicitly clear that men are allowed there? When a man calls a center or shelter, there is a decent chance that he is accused of being the abuser, and he has to deal with whatever consequence it may bring.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:13 PM
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Men have to be allies to women, but women aren't expected to even care about men's issues? See, that's the issue. Of course men should do the work to fight against the problems men face, but you can't have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:07 PM
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First of all feminists are the main allies to men who have been sexually assaulted. Stop the cap. The only reason why campus resources help male victims is because of Title IX. Other than that, feminists throughout the world have fought against legal recognition of male rape victims (India is a good example). I think it goes without saying that helping male SA/rape victims does not further feminist goals. So instead go nuclear and become a complete misogynistic Red Pill manosphere bro? That does…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:24 PM
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I volunteer at a domestic violence shelter and what we lack is male volunteers Have you actually made an effort to get male volunteers? I don't think a women's shelter would allow male volunteers. The comment about services not being available for men is true. Feminism has an extensive history of denying victimization of men (look up Duluth Model).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:21 PM
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Men have been bullied into silence by feminists who insist that any acknowledgment of men’s issues is misogyny. We’re not going to risk our jobs and reputation by stating that men who get sexually assaulted deserve support rather than ridicule. A man in Canada tried starting a men’s shelter after he was denied help as a male domestic abuse victim. Feminists relentlessly harassed him and lobbied the local government to deny him any funding. Men do not have the power you think they have. There are…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:36 AM
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So decades of research and feminists still can’t comprehend that women can rape or abuse men? Pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:29 AM
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So you admit that feminists are not the experts on gender equality?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:45 AM
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The equality wheel doesn't replace the gendered power/control wheel. The Duluth Model only exists because of feminism and has resulted in male victims of domestic violence being locked up. Even the creator of the model acknowledged its shortcomings. Yet the damage is already done. The Duluth Model has been firmly established as the protocol for police officers to respond to domestic violence calls.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:42 AM
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no, I chose to take another algorithms class. I had enough woke BS spewed at me in my required humanities classes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:34 PM
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So where did the Duluth Model come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:31 PM
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I don’t associate with ideologies that oppress women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:42 PM
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The fact is that feminism is complicit in the system, and feminists deserve some blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:16 PM
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Feminists have done nothing to distance themselves from the policy, besides feigning ignorance when it is brought up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:14 PM
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Feminists say that's okay because men as a class are oppressors and it's a response to systemic misogyny This is literally feminism 101, you don't need to take a gender studies class to know that. Feminists don't see people as individuals, but rather just representatives of a demographic. It was feminist ideology that produced the Duluth Model of domestic violence that claimed that women could not abuse male partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:09 PM
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"not all women"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:05 PM
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but that’s what is expected of men
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:47 PM
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What does a 4B woman going her own way even look like? Not being obsessed with men, like MGTOW does with women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:22 PM
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Did the 4B movement really go their own way, or are they still obsessed over men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:15 PM
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Alternate theory: Gynocentrism - structuring society around the protection and safety of women Pieces of Evidence: * Men showing weakness are mocked for being unable to fulfill their duty to protect their women * Men are sent to war because women must be shielded from violence * Tax dollars going to women's shelters, but not men's, demonstrate a prioritization of women's safety See, I can find tons of points to support this framing. I can also frame any restrictions placed on women as just gynoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:25 PM
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So what would it take to disprove patriarchy theory?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:02 PM
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You don't understand there is nothing to understand Women discriminated against = patriarchy Men discriminated against = somehow also patriarchy two opposite occurrences are used to "prove" patriarchy = literally unfalsifiable
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:42 PM
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Feminism exists as a movement that advocates for women. Feminism represents women, even if not all women are feminists, and some men identify as feminists. Given this, I think it is reasonable to associate women's actions with feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:21 PM
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Feminists vote progressive in much higher rates than men And nothing good ends up happening...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:17 PM
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Feminism is a movement for women. Women want something = feminists fight for it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:14 PM
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stand out how? Being slim while other men are muscular? Women definitely wouldn’t like that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:08 PM
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and those women are typically more mentally unstable than average
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:58 AM
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yet 20% of men get 80% of women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:57 AM
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And what are you doing to make the men in your life comfortable expressing themselves? Besides denying misandry and complaining that men are talking about it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:51 AM
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well, you thought wrong, women don’t date “special” men, at least not for long
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:47 AM
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why aren’t there more of her? It’s almost as if… women prefer masculine men and enforce rigid masculine norms
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:45 AM
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Men don’t have the privilege of limiting their dating options. Some men already have zero options.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:40 AM
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and they do that by conforming to traditional masculine norms
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:35 AM
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She doesn’t respect you, bruh
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:33 PM
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nope, not if you include “made to penetrate” as rape
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:15 AM
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Ten feminists are sitting at a table. One says “kill all men” None of the others say anything back Ten misandrists are sitting at the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:43 PM
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I am aware of RBG’s work in fighting for the rights of men, even in the face of opposition, and I respect that. But her views of hardly representative of feminists in general, who regularly claim that men’s issues are not their concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:39 PM
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Right-wingers are a different group.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:36 PM
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"You're just misunderstanding X" is a common dismissal and gaslighting technique
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:30 PM
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I support feminism that advocates for universal health care, low cost child care, public school providing breakfast and lunch to all kids regardless of income, and tuition free public higher education that's just leftism, not feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:28 PM
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"but the manosphere..." The manosphere has no institutional power, and is regularly opposed by mainstream society.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:15 PM
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What feminist theory have you read? Feminist actuality is more important than feminist theory. Some feminist book saying gender roles are bad for both genders doesn't have anything against the real issue of men being denied child custody just because of their gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:12 PM
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Men still being held to rigid norms while women get to be more-or-less free from theirs. Male victims of sexual assault or domestic violence are still mocked, and resources for them are very hard to come by, even progressives are unsupportive. Men's mental health is still treated as a joke, as men still face significant consequence for expressing themselves. The list goes on, but you get the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:07 PM
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Women's dating advice does not work for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:03 PM
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For working class male defendants: very high for all the questions For wealthy defendants: almost none
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:58 PM
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If we can’t learn about feminism from the internet, or from a college campus, or from actual events, then what source accurately represents feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:55 PM
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And we pay six figures to get degrees from there…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:43 PM
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For rape, not much. Falsely accused men get convicted all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:41 PM
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Seriously, how are all these feminists so unaware of what their own movement is saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:11 PM
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The law states that a person (male or female) who is incapacitated (someone who is passed out, vomiting, unable to walk, or incoherent) by alcohol or drugs cannot legally consent to sex. Equality in law doesn't mean equality in enforcement. Any mental issue can be used as a pretext to charge a man with rape for otherwise consensual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:10 PM
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Do you happen to know what the BAC limit is for consensual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:35 PM
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I think it’s easier for a mentally ill woman to get sex than it is for a mentally ill man. Being socially awkward/inept as a man is basically a death sentence for his social life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:44 PM
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I understand consent. The feminists don’t, so they infantilize women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:37 PM
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If feminists moved away from that position, they’d say it loud and clear, but they haven’t, and I can’t prove a negative. Where’s your source that feminists have shifted their stance on drunk sex, as you claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:36 PM
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Well, it's not like feminists moved away from it either
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:09 PM
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I was stating the view as the logical outcome of flawed feminist thinking, I did not express it as something I actually believe. The dialogue on drunk consent, already focused on women, implies that any amount of alcohol can impair a woman's judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:08 PM
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People who think alcohol makes someone unable to consent day it for both genders. not quite I'm still unsure why you're just talking about women. because that's who the overall dialogue is focused on
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:03 PM
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What feminists really think
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:00 PM
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ok, that doesn't refute what I said. The fact that he sees sexual exploitation as a non-gendered issue is already in opposition to feminist orthodoxy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:43 AM
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A woman who is loyal, and respectful, and enjoys spending time with us. Really simple, actually. None of this costs money
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:55 PM
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Men are more-or-less similar in what we want in a relationship, and how we want our partners to be. Our specific preferences in a woman’s appearance and background might be different, but even then, we’re flexible
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:50 PM
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Regardless of how the men look, they are all together because the man keeps quiet about his true feelings, and only expresses what his partner approves. If she feels that her man is too emotional, she’ll drop him without hesitation and find another man who can make her feel safe. That’s not “patriarchy”, that’s just female dating standards in action.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:07 PM
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The fact that feminists uphold some parts of this “patriarchy”, just shows that even feminists don’t believe what they say about “patriarchy”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:59 AM
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Bruh, why is this even being discussed? The point is that men get raped by women, it may be rarer than women getting raped by men, but it still deserves attention, and the victims deserve support. All this talk about how easy/hard it is, just sounds like your downplaying the whole thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:37 AM
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The disagreement is that you think it is fair to blame "patriarchy" for the actions of women, whereas I realize that is silly. Patriarchy refers to male authority, not women who can think for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:41 AM
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Most do
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:39 PM
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I’ve literally been saying women reinforce these norms too. I know you were, and I was too! Yet for some reason, you are blaming "patriarchy" for this. Feminists describe themselves as anti-patriarchy, yet they are complicit in enforcing these "patriarchal" ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:27 PM
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But now women have the freedom to choose, and they choose traditionally masculine men who don't strongly express sadness or cry
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:24 PM
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By putting this on patriarchy, you get to ignore how women contribute to this issue. Because we all know feminists (the anti-patriarchy people) are not going around telling women to stop promoting male gender norms. My point was that women’s reactions are one of the ways those expectations get reinforced. You simply cannot blame patriarchy for something women are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:19 PM
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Who is the patriarchy?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:20 PM
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Women's aversion to emotional vulnerability in men is exactly what teaches men to to show emotional vulnerability. Women did this, not patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:18 PM
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Female dating standards
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:00 PM
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Why didn't you ever tease your mother when she cried at sad movies? Because that's not how mothers should be treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:49 PM
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adorable A man being called adorable is a 99.99% guarantee he will die single.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:49 PM
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anyone who's been alive and touched grass knows this
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:29 PM
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And it will not be changed by female privilege denying individuals such as yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:24 PM
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Most women just get to fixing these problems whereas men hope someone else will fix it for them. What a load of BS, women absolutely blame everyone else for their problems, whether it's "patriarchy" or men, etc. And unlike men, women actually get sympathy. Perhaps the best example of this is that "self-help" books for women do not blame the woman for their problems, and emphasize what women deserve, while self-help for men is more about getting men to change and improve themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:07 PM
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It's not a competition, but feminists seem to view any attention given to sexual assault of men as a form of derailing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:31 AM
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Those men are in jail because the police officers were following the Duluth Model. Feminists created that model, and your two male friends are paying the price.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:35 PM
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Isn't it interesting when the issue of male being raped/SA is brought up, feminists will briefly acknowledge it like "yeah, sure, I guess it happens to men sometimes, but women are the real victims because reasons" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:23 PM
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The feminists I know and have the pleasure of protesting with are actually fighting for more shelters to be built and more services for men. You've actually raised this issue with them? yeah, sure buddy Also. Who gives a fuck how they would feel about it. It's fucking necessary. Feminists have the institutional power to fight these things. Men's shelters don't get public funding at the same rate women's shelters too. That is the result of feminist activism. Many men don't even know they're being…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:21 PM
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Try building a men's shelter, you'll see just how much feminists hate the idea of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:11 PM
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everybody except 99.99% of feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:09 PM
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the poster was not criticized by feminists, it got criticized by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:56 PM
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I honestly don't understand why would you assume something so horrible about beliefs of bunch of people you haven't actually asked. When that group gets into positions of power and puts out crap like this, it's not hard to figure out where they stand.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:24 PM
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It isn't about scoring points against feminists, any more than feminism is about scoring points against patriarchy. What ztfreeman described is a reflection of many men's experiences with campus sexual assault resources, run by ideologically rather than facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:21 PM
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lol “manosphere”. Is that what you call any man who isn’t a raging man-hating feminist? False accusations are absolutely happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:01 PM
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Hey man, thank you for sharing your story, I know it is traumatic for you, but it serves as a great warning about the dangers of having woke feminists in positions of power, and what happens when a man reports a woman for sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:58 AM
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Now you see what atrocities the feminist movement does to male sexual assault survivors
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:51 AM
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Feminism is built on the idea that men are privileged while women are oppressed. How is this attitude conducive to recognizing and sympathizing with male rape victims? It’s great that your feminist group doesn’t completely deny rape against men, but that doesn’t represent feminism. The common response by feminists when a man gets raped is that “it happens to women more”, so yes, feminists are making light of male rape, because they are a bunch of man-hating hypocrites
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:44 AM
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Have you ever been in a situation where you had to take a man seriously after he described such an incident?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:32 AM
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I wasn't minimizing anything. I was pointing out the double standard, and asserting that men who are heavily drunk cannot consent to sex and should be taken seriously and given support when they are taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:06 AM
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Feminism is feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:52 AM
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Feminists focus on drunk women when discussing drunkenness and ability to consent. Nothing said about drunk men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:49 AM
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Lol, if I ever got drunk and got raped by a woman, I do not expect any feminist to take me seriously. (For this reason, among others, I don't drink alcohol)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:41 AM
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Also hearing about the topic for the past decade or so, I disagree that feminists talk about it with a lack of clarity as you put it In practice, a woman can say she was assaulted regardless of what really happened, and feminists will believe her without question.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:38 AM
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I'm upset at the implication that drunk men can still make consent decisions while drunk while women can't. That line of thinking is a huge impediment in the fight for gender equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:36 AM
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There was a redditor named u/ztfreeman who had this exact thing happen. He got expelled after he reported it. He made several posts about it on r/menslib
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:35 AM
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Feminist theory can be summed up to: men are oppressors, women are victims. The poster reflects that view. Argument defended. QED PS I have seen no feminist criticism of that poster.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:34 AM
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If you're both drunk this is what we call double jeopardy That's not what double jeopardy means. It means someone cannot be tried twice for the same crime (unless once was state/local and once was federal) if the defendant was found not guilty. If only one party has been drinking, the one that did not drink is taking advantage and/or a rapist (obviously depending on prior relationship and conversation). This is regardless of gender. Theoretical vs reality
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:32 AM
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Are they assaulted more often, or is it just reported more often?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:29 AM
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It is, though. Scenario: A man, while he was blackout drunk, was forced into a sexual encounter with a woman. He feels violated, and reports it to campus authorities. Does he get taken seriously than he would if the genders were reversed? He tells a female friend, who happens to identify as a feminist. Does she take him seriously? Does she identify it as rape? No. No, and Hell no.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:29 AM
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That ad faced massive backlash and criticism for exactly the double standard you’re pointing out. That's irrelevant. The fact is that the poster came from a feminist perspective on an major feminist issue. The university is not feminism Universities are run by feminists. That's where feminism is strongest. You can’t just point to something you dislike and declare it feminist. You can't just point to something you dislike and declare it not feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:26 AM
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But that is how it is applied in practice. The consequences for the average man to be accused of sexual assault are real and significant. So what happens is that men need to be very cautious, and lack of clarity that feminists provides necessitates that men assume any amount of alcohol is too much for a woman to still be capable of giving consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:21 AM
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In the instances where a drunk man is taken advantage of, and he either speaks of it or word gets out, the general consensus amongst feminist is “he was too drunk to consent”, and you actually saw this happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:18 AM
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Yeah, but why is it only focused on drunk women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:16 AM
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It’s far easier to get penetrated during sex while drunk compared to penetrate someone while drunk. This is where the difference in experience stand out to me personally. This view of sex is patriarchal, as it views sex as something that men "do to" women. Women can still ride passed out men, and an erection is involuntary.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:16 AM
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Example Besides that, the discourse is focused entirely on women being drunk and raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:13 AM
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I don't drink alcohol. Alcohol is the root of so many problems in society; alcohol is a major factor in sexual assault, drunk driving fatalities, domestic abuse. Yet people who don't drink it are mocked and ridiculed, as I have been.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:46 AM
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Feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:42 AM
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Yes, women, just like men, have to earn other people’s trust. So what are women doing to convince men that it is safe to open up to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 11:32 PM
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So are you going to answer the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:41 PM
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So what are women doing to earn that trust and make men feel safe opening up?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:23 PM
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patriarchy is just another word out of many that feminists have overused to the point it has no meaning left
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:21 PM
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Feminists don’t actually want men to open up. Because then feminists will complain about having to do “emotional labor”. What they really want is for a man to express the woman’s emotions, while supressing his own. Ironic, but according to feminist ideology, women cannot enforce patriarchal norms, and feminists are incapable of introspection
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:19 PM
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A woman should earn the trust of the man before he can open up to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:16 PM
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None of that discourse is genuine. It’s all performative. They call out “toxic masculinity” yet remain attracted to men who exhibit those traits. They mock men who don’t express their emotions, but then complain about having to do emotional labor when a man opens up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:02 PM
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I’d say that the idea a man has to sleep with lots of women to be a man is toxic masculinity, even though it could even benefit himself. Yes, I agree. I’d say that’s toxic masculinity imposed by the partner/traditional gender roles. This is what feminists miss. They assume it's only men who push these ideals, so they don't have to do any introspection on how they are part of the problem. But as I said earlier, the intent is to mock men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:36 PM
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No one knows what toxic masculinity is anymore. It’s supposed to be about male gender roles regarding strength and dominance causing harm to men. But it’s just a buzzword that is used to mock men, while still upholding the ideas that led to it. Men not expressing their feelings can be toxic masculinity only if he truly believes it is wrong for a man to express his feelings; not if he knows he will lose the respect of his partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:22 PM
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The seminars are “how to not be sexist” aren’t there to teach boys how to not be sexist, but to discourage boys from questioning feminist dogma that led boys to people like Tate. Where are the seminars about teaching boys it’s ok to express one’s emotions, or reach out when something bad happens to them? “Toxic masculinity” gets thrown around when a man does something that is not directly in service of women, not when a man actually does something harmful. We know the intentions behind the woke …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:57 PM
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What’s the gender ratio for neurodivergence?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:31 PM
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And that is your right, as it is other men’s right to not be attracted to masculine women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:12 PM
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Approaching someone you aren't close with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:12 PM
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Besides the aunt and uncle, those are all considered cold approaches
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:06 PM
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and misogynistic men rely heavily on women’s unpaid domestic labor. Just goes to show that sexism is irrational .
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 10:54 AM
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Women don't need to be on the apps to find a man. They'll get approached anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:43 AM
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is being gay degrading?
/r/MensRights18/05/26 12:21 PM
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are they wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:48 PM
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and we don't take responsibility for things other men say.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:23 PM
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you're too generous, it's actually 99.999999/0.000001
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:21 PM
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^ this guy shouldn’t be with 100 yards of a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:30 AM
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I can fault men for not caring enough AND fault feminists for their hostility toward male abuse survivors and opposition to resources being set up for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:33 PM
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The idea that "men can't control themselves around immodestly dressed women" is another example of internalized misandry, when said or implied by men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:02 PM
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and guess which movement is fighting against those things? Starts with an F
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:11 PM
0

literally proving my point on how there’s hardly any support for male domestic abuse victims
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:34 PM
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A man lays a finger on a woman, he goes to jail. Women batter their husbands and everyone laughs, including the progressives
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:26 AM
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Cat calling is an issue of respect, fighting gender roles is good and necessary, but not related to this particular issue
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:53 AM
1

cat calling isn’t an issue of gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:47 PM
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Their main fight is institutional misogyny, and not every gender role is anti-women, some benefit women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:20 PM
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You really think feminists are eager to split the bill or ask out a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:57 AM
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say one thing, do another Opposing gender roles isn’t the main purpose of feminism, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:56 AM
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If dozens of men are competing for one woman, a man needs to do something to stand out. Dating is like job hunting, for men
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:52 AM
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There’s feminism the belief in equality, then there’s gender studies feminism that’s all about hating on men for being “privileged”
/r/MensRights30/04/26 04:52 PM
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The fact is MEN CANT decouple their desires from women. That doesn't mean it should be priority number 1. Prioritizing something doesn't make it more likely to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 01:47 PM
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Everything that serves the individual man, rather than women and more powerful men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:44 PM
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Men learn early on the consequences of being emotionally open and expressive. The real question is what are you doing to make the men around you comfortable sharing their emotions with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 11:35 AM
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Doesn't work if you are social r*t*rded or neurodivergent
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:10 AM
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We cannot be allies if you deny the existence of misandry. You're literally denying discrimination against men. Gender roles hurt everyone, men included.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:05 AM
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So when does a problem become "systemic"? And is it not worth discussing issues unless they are "systemic"? You don't think it's "systemic" for men to be shamed for not being masculine enough, even when it results in violence directed towards them? Or do you only think "manboys" are upset by the sexist comments made towards men and the pressure put on men to be unfeeling brutes?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:49 AM
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Anyone with those "missing gaps" is not mature enough to have a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 08:36 PM
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If someone discriminates against a man because he's doing something that is not typical of men, that is misandry, just like how it would be misogyny if it was a woman. Wouldn't it be nice if progressives were more upset by misandry, than they are by the word "misandry"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 08:27 PM
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Like I said. Framing and timing. Funny how women never have to worry about this when bringing up their issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:12 PM
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The manosphere has basically no real world presence, unlike feminism. The manosphere folks aren't organizing against programs and events that help women. But feminists continue to oppose efforts to help men. Whether or not the manosphere is doing anything for men is irrelevant, because I was only addressing your claim that feminists were helping men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:40 PM
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Yet men are labeled misogynists for saying exactly those things. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:29 PM
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The "manosphere" is the only reason why men in Canada have domestic violence shelters. It was the Canadian Centre for Men and Families that set them while feminists mocked and slandered them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:23 PM
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You tell me, why is "misandry" such a dirty word that seriously offends feminists and progressives? Why does everything have to be framed in away where women are the "true" victims?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:18 PM
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Nope, MRAs are upset because the freedom for women to break out of their traditional gender role did not result in men being able to do the same. And MRAs have faced serious backlash from feminists for simply pointing out that men aren't free from sexism and discrimination. The expectations on men to be the primary income earners still persists, even though women can work the same high-paying jobs as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:15 PM
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Canadian feminists challenged legal definitions of rape to include men/boys as victims (Canadian Rape & Sexual Assault Law Reform 1983) Meanwhile feminists in India fought against their government's attempts to recognize male victims of rape and sexual assault, so this means feminism is divided on the issue. The Fawcett Society: advocated for a paternity mandate Make Mothers Matter: pressured the UN to emphasize the paternal leave True, but the only reason they supported paternity leave was to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:07 PM
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If fathers only get custody when they fight for it, while mothers get it by default, then that’s still judicial bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 11:14 AM
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what men’s issues are feminists addressing? A movement that is obsessed with highlighting how privileged men are is not the kind of movement that I think would advocate for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 11:06 AM
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Believe it or not, they do. But you’re too busy shining the spotlight on the incels and Tate followers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:05 PM
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The answer is that women overwhelmingly prefer circumcised men, and unless that changes, you cannot blame this entirely on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:47 PM
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Do women in the US prefer circumcised men or uncircumcised men, in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:41 PM
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but not equal responsibilities and accountability
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 11:59 PM
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Feminists support equality measures until they are used to help men and hold women accountable
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 06:47 PM
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non gendered law =/= non gendered enforcement
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 06:13 PM
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The same feminists who supported the law will say it is sexist and claim it as proof of patriarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 06:04 PM
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If someone doesn't want to be a leader, they must accept being a follower without complaint. What we see today is women not wanting to do the initiating or approaching, and then wanting to be the leader in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 11:28 PM
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So the Duluth Model was invented by conservatives, with no input from feminist ideology? I'm not changing the subject, you did that by pitching feminism here.
/r/MensRights30/03/26 08:54 PM
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that works
/r/MensRights28/03/26 09:48 PM
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I wouldn’t want to use words like “misandry” without first defining them, but yeah, short and simple is best
/r/MensRights28/03/26 11:15 AM
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Respectfully, one does not simply come to r/mensrights and promote feminism. Feminism is part of the reason why some men’s issues exist, especially with male DV victims being ignored or lacking resources. If feminism and MR agree on something, then that’s great.
/r/MensRights28/03/26 11:11 AM
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we make a central site online, with all the legit sources, and facts. You really gonna pretend that hasn't been attempted before? Like any social movement, there's going to be factions that disagree on key matters.
/r/MensRights28/03/26 03:13 AM
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While this is technically correct, the pressing issues we face are far more damaging and insidious than just "gender norms". I would think that gender norms are the root of why institutions discriminate against men the way they do. But yes, I agree that my pitch could be more concrete and to the point.
/r/MensRights28/03/26 03:12 AM
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I'm not pitching for feminism, are you? Anything I said that overlaps with your version of feminism is coincidental.
/r/MensRights28/03/26 03:10 AM
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Good point, perhaps taking out references to women and feminism would help keep the focus on men. Though the "gender norms" part would need to stay in order to explain why institutions discriminate against men the way they do.
/r/MensRights24/03/26 08:48 PM
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Men are human beings with feelings too It's a good slogan, but does not provide the context behind why there needs to be a men's rights movement
/r/MensRights24/03/26 08:46 PM
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That's another thing: when men face an issue, it's expected that they solve it themselves. When women face an issue, it's society's fault and men need to fix it. And no, it's not "patriarchy", it's societal norms that BOTH men and women impose on others.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:28 PM
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The point is, men can't just "fix" their mental health by talking about it like women can. Male mental health will improve when society values men for more than what they provide to women and more powerful men. This requires society to understand that men don't have all the privileges, and that men too face cultural biases that harm them. I highly doubt OP, or many other women/girls are sympathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:57 PM
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male celebrities or female celebrities? I think I know the answer, since you won't answer. Sounds like you need to talk to women to fix this issue, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:49 PM
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They say the same thing, and they take your money
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:48 PM
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If women cared more about fixing the issues rather than convincing people that women have it harder, women would no longer have it harder. So it seems like you want women to have it harder. Respectfully, you are a teenager with zero understanding of men and what they go through
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:13 PM
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When we open up about our feelings or complain about how we’re treated, we get told to “man up”.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:10 PM
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jail those savages
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:32 AM
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No, dating is a personal matter, not a regulated practice like employment. Any change would have to come from within. Perhaps the easiest way is for men to not be so horny, and actually have standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:15 PM
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But she is a feminist, a big name feminist, who proves that the feminist movement isn't united in supporting men who are victims of domestic violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:50 PM
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Women aren't expected to be the primary breadwinners for the family. Men are. Yes, women are told they're emotional when they speak out. So are men. Does the term "sissy" sound familiar, or how about the progressive versions: "fragile masculinity", "manchild"? Do you think the underpaid working class man cares whether his oppression was because of his gender or another factor?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:48 PM
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Aside from a niche feminist branch who else supports this idea? Feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:45 PM
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Here's what Katherine Spillar, president of Feminist Majority Foundation, had to say on the issue: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3686998/characters/nm6458931/ On the whole issue of domestic violence. That's just another word really, it's a clean-up word about wife-beating, because that's really what it is - or dating violence. And it's not girls that are beating up on boys, it's boys that are beating up on girls and using violence to intimidate and to control. Maybe try going outside the feminist…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:43 PM
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Feminists realize that acknowledging domestic violence against men would challenge their existing narrative that domestic violence is patriarchal violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:34 PM
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Look up the Duluth Model. It is the official feminist stance on domestic violence that says all domestic violence is male-on-female for the purpose of maintaining patriarchal power, and women only use violence in self-defense. So who do you think is opposing the construction of domestic violence shelters for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:28 PM
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Men aren't immune to cultural biases that hinder their quality of life. Do you think having to work 60 hours a week to barely afford to feed their family is "male privilege"? Do you think being told to "man up and deal with" your own personal struggles is privilege? We have gender norms pushed on us, don't pretend our lives are all good just because we're men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:18 PM
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They oppose the recognition of rape/SA against men. The evidence is right there
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:36 PM
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https://feministlawarchives.pldindia.org/wp-content/uploads/press-release-urging-government-to-make-gender-just-laws.pdf https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/activists-join-chorus-against-gender-neutral-rape-laws/articleshow/18840879.cms Indian feminists' opposition to gender-neutral rape laws Feminist CDC researcher Mary Koss said: "It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:30 PM
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Let's start with the right to seek justice after being sexually assaulted or abused. Why are feminists so against raising awareness on this issue when men are the victims?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:22 PM
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Homeless shelters are full of crackheads, and do not provide necessary legal services for men who are facing domestic abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:17 PM
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We know you’re the kind of person who will demand fairness when you are discriminated against. We pointing you out on your hypocrisy on dismissing fairness when your gender has the upper hand, but demanding it when you don’t
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:13 PM
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Women/Feminists demand all other aspects of life to be fair, or in women’s favor. e.g. employment, education, housework, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:56 AM
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Dating app data says otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:58 AM
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ok, notice how you aren’t dating any of them. They’d treat you a lot differently if you were.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 11:41 AM
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“The rich” is my go-to answer
/r/MensRights06/03/26 01:23 PM
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If those special protections and privileges are the result of women being seen as less capable, then yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 02:01 PM
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Most women are unaware, willfully or not, about the male experience
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 11:48 PM
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“no drinking at lunch, no making dirty jokes all day” hard to take you seriously when this is what you complain about
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 02:18 PM
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There are two kinds of people: Those who admit to watching porn, and liars
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 03:37 AM
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bro, touch grass
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 03:36 AM
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The least oppressed demographic is the rich
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:39 PM
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True. It is undeniable that women have it much easier than men in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 10:04 PM
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That’s their own fault, then
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 01:03 AM
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women always have someone to date
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 03:47 PM
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No, married men are more conservative. What does that tell you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 01:09 PM
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not every Trump voter is “conservative”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 12:17 AM
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oh please, feminists cry and whine about “manspreading” and harass book authors for being against bio males in women’s sports sit this one out
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:28 PM
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Does the law view consent of the man as just as important as the woman’s consent? I doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:21 PM
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Dating apps are becoming popular simply because approaching women in real life has been stigmatized so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 03:01 PM
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most likely some combination of bad genetics, busy schedules, and neurodivergence
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 02:58 PM
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that’s not even the bare minimum, the dating market is far more competitive that that, and women’s standards are only increasing
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 02:09 PM
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“have emotional intelligence” translation: “he needs to read minds”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 09:49 PM
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That's even less of a reason for straight men to take any dating advice from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:52 PM
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It's a massive inconvenience because you women don't communicate! You expect us to read minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:47 PM
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Sounds like a "she can't communicate and us men need to decipher women's intentions"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:44 PM
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“read social cues” i.e. don’t be autistic or ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 05:40 PM
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If men were less horny, women’s vast options would erode, and they would be forced to be better and have reasonable standards. One aspect of it would be to encourage stronger bonds between men, so that they do not have to rely on girlfriends for basic emotional support. That’s the gist of it, not gonna write a whole essay
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:58 PM
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Is this an issue where feminists should be divided on? Gendered rape laws were created under the assumption that men and women occupied different roles during sex, specifically the idea that sex is something men initiate and drive while women are the recipients. It’s a “patriarchal” view of sex. If feminists want to be taken seriously as those who oppose patriarchy, the need to get their damn house in order.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 05:20 PM
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Can you take men’s issues seriously without reframing them as women’s issues? I have yet to meet a feminist (idk if you are one) who does.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 05:14 PM
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None of my friends got girlfriends that way. They all made the first move on someone they did not know previously.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 01:52 PM
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Damn, it’s like women speak a different language
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 03:44 AM
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The normalization of sex outside of committed relationships has done so much damage to the dating scene, and men's self-esteem. I will not accept that a man's value should be tied to his sexual experience. And I bet you're the same kind of guy who gets the ick when a woman has a high body count.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 08:33 PM
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Why does a man have to help a woman handle her emotions? Why can't the same emotional support be reciprocated?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 08:30 PM
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Women don't lose female friends for opening up. Men lose their female partners for opening up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 08:29 PM
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I am. Women have no problem with other women opening up to them. But when men do it, it's a major ick to them. They call it "toxic masculinity" when men remain closed off, but it's women's reactions that are the main driver of that. What are these women doing to create an environment where men can open up safely without having their masculinity questioned?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 08:28 PM
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So why can't women handle their own emotions? They're adults too. But they expect men to take full responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 08:25 PM
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in a constructive way, and what is this "constructive way"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 08:03 PM
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I'd never do that at work (even though I know a few who did and succeeded). But even at social settings, like bars or rec centers, it's easy to be kicked out because some woman felt offended by being approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 04:11 PM
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How often does that happen? Probably in some arranged marriage situations, but that's not the typical way relationships start.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 03:42 PM
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Women do get labeled creeps the social (and legal) consequence of that is negligible
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 03:40 PM
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False. It’s 99.999999%
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 02:36 PM
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And men who cause miscarriages get higher sentences
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 02:10 PM
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Oh, so getting a partner as a man is like getting a job, got it! (except we pay instead of getting paid) I’ll carry around a resume and cover letter when I go socialize
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 02:03 PM
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The consequence that men face for a woman being uncomfortable around him are far worse. Women don’t get labeled “creeps” or “perverts” on social media (employers and friends see these things) for making a man uncomfortable in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 01:58 PM
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No, I think it’s better to be upfront about one’s intentions than to play the long game
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 01:56 PM
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You are a woman, so the consequences of you making a man uncomfortable are basically non-existent. This is why we don’t take dating advice from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 12:26 PM
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Dating apps should never have been the primary way to meet the opposite sex. Now they are being promoted because women feel unsafe when a sub-6 man tries to talk to them in public
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 12:24 PM
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Talking to a woman in public is “traumatizing” to her? lol this shit has gone too far
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 12:21 PM
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treat them the way you want them to treat you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:20 PM
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Don’t invalidate his emotions, listen when he opens up, and be grateful when it happens, don’t act like it grosses you out or gives you the “ick” same standards apply to him too
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 04:56 PM
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Women are awful to date because: they’ll always have options because: men have low standards because: men’s value is tied to sex with women I’m sure this goes deeper, but at least from this point, you need to re-evaluate what matters to you, not just what others tell you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:42 PM
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Not hit them, or waste their money on useless crap, and actually provide emotional support
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:38 PM
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It indicates a detachment between sex and true love
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 01:09 PM
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And men who do that are ridiculed relentlessly by both men and women across the political spectrum
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 12:04 PM
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Male spaces are infected with the “Men are victims” complex. Female spaces are infected with the "Women are victims" complex. That's literally the foundation of the feminist movement. You have no valid point here. So, how is it that women have shown a capability of holding a woman accountable without saying “but the man did this and that” Women in general do not hold other women accountable. They are far worse at it than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 03:35 PM
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Depends on the context. typical non-answer. The term "emotional labor" has been so over-used that it lost its meaning
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:26 PM
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So if the man is doing all the planning, is that emotional labor or is it only emotional labor when women do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:28 PM
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Regarding female loneliness, female loneliness is a choice made by the woman. Women are constantly on the receiving end of men’s advances from men, and women make the choice to turn them down.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:26 PM
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Well, you don’t become ostracized or jailed for accidentally breaking a card game rule
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:43 PM
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If feminist women are allowed to abide by some patriarchal dating norms, then they have no right to complain when conservative men do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 11:54 PM
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Then those women are not being smart... sounds like victim blaming on your end Maybe those husbands feel emasculated this statement, in context, sounds like a justification for their behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:23 PM
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If you’re willing to discuss, what kind of things did those men stop/start doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:17 PM
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So why even mention it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:11 PM
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That’s great! How has that impacted their dating/marriage prospects?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:11 PM
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Both men are harassing her at work. Technically true, but which of them is going to get in trouble for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:03 PM
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They did criticize that meme, they couldn't handle the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:02 PM
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Relevant
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:43 PM
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You won't get hate for being honest (ok, maybe a little). But thank you for telling us that no amount of progressive politics or feminism will change what women want in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:39 PM
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And you think that's a valid excuse to abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:35 PM
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Because the line between socializing and harassment has been blurred heavily. Relevant
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:32 PM
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That, and the fact that cold-approaching women in social settings is heavily frowned up nowadays (apparently that's harassment), even though that was the norm for decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:30 PM
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So there are small groups of feminists who want men to take a more active role in domestic tasks/housework. But they don't frame it as breaking down gender roles, they only care about reducing the load off women. So, right opinion, wrong reason, I suppose that's better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:15 PM
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It's been around since forever, and getting worse each generation. Masculinity has always been defined as the capability and willingness toward physical aggression, in war, at home, or at work. As society advances toward non-violence and less manual labor, there is less of a need for such aggression, so men have fewer avenues to demonstrate their masculinity, which has given modern men a sense of lost purpose. Fundamentally, they are stuck in a situation where traditional male expectations have …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 02:56 PM
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More specifically, it's that feminism has largely liberated women from their traditional gender roles, while men are still bound to traditional masculine expectations that are much harder to meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 02:42 PM
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NOW has recognised that women often face bias in family courts. So it's bias against women that they get primary custody only 80% of the time? So while their legislative record is mixed, feminists have long been fighting against gendered bias in custody decisions proof? It sounds like you're not denying my claims of NOW opposing joint custody efforts.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 09:57 PM
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Because assholes only bring it up to belittle women for discussing rape When men say "men get raped too", it is not meant to divert discussion on rape, it is meant to add on to it, if anything, and to oppose the notion that rape is just a women's issue. Because not recognizing the true nature of rape prevents any meaningful action on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 09:14 PM
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A guy moving on from this sexual trauma has no effect on whether a new female partner will accept him for it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 09:08 PM
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I read that. It's false narrative that feminists love to perpetuate despite the reality of men's lived experiences. There are just as many feminists as right-wingers policing men's behaviors and criticizing them for not "following the script". Feminists may not be calling men "lucky" for being raped, but they see discussions of male SA as "derailment" of discussions of female SA.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 09:02 PM
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Feminist organizations have pushed for laws and reforms that remove automatic assumptions about mothers being primary caregivers, advocating for shared custody or joint parenting where appropriate. Groups like the National Organization for Women (NOW) in the U.S. have explicitly supported fathers’ rights to be involved in children’s lives. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. the NOW fought against and continues to fight against joint custody bills in state legislatures. Feminist scholars and groups often publi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 08:55 PM
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Maybe you do, but women and feminists as a whole do not. Women are allowed to prioritize women's issues, but the problem comes when they outright deny men's issues and obstruct efforts to address them, and throw insults at the men doing something about the issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 08:49 PM
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she also did not include women who experience marital rape. so she's an establishment hack
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 04:17 PM
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She affirmed that definition, and did her research based on that, effectively robbing male rape victims of visibility for at least a generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:44 PM
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I never said there was one. I said that feminism downplays domestic violence against men, as evidenced by the Duluth Model, and orgs like WomensAid that frame domestic violence against men as nonserious.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:15 PM
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It doesn't look like feminism has moved on from that. Governments of developed nations still treat sexual assault and domestic violence as exclusively women's issues, with feminists in full approval
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 10:26 PM
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And I refuse to call myself a feminist because feminism isn't just a dictionary definition, it is a movement that believes a significant number of absurdities that I reject and that many otherwise good feminists have been cancelled for not accepting. (e.g. The Duluth Model of domestic violence, letting biological males in women's sports, denying sexism against men)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 10:24 PM
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But I guess we have the same opinions Do we? Probably, but by identifying as a feminist, you tie yourself to a movement that has a zero-tolerance policy on dissent, whereas my belief in gender equality is not tied to whether self-proclaimed feminists are effectively working towards gender quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:12 PM
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It seems they turn a blind eye when things go the other way. And that's why feminism cannot have the monopoly on gender equality activism.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:08 PM
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But I do think that you are neglecting to consider some important context about Koss's work. First of all, she has faced criticism for that definition and her work has been revised several times. Maybe she should have gotten it right the first time. Koss faced hardly any backlash from feminists. If feminism thinks male sexual assault victims aren't "real" victims, then opposing feminism is the moral, pro-equal-rights position
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 05:53 PM
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Feminists are only capable of regurgitating talking points and sticking to a narrative
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 05:50 PM
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Yeah, so why do men still have to be the primary breadwinners if feminists are going around demanding equal pay for equal work (I support the equal pay part)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 05:47 PM
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You think dictionary definitions written 50 years ago are more important than modern day observations.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 05:46 PM
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Women still are opressed / discriminated against in some ways. I agree, never said otherwise. Feminism is a range of socio-political movements and ideologies that aim to define and establish the political, economic, personal, and social equality of the sexes That's a dictionary definition, not what feminism is in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 05:45 PM
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You ain't gonna marry a man with less money than you, for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 05:44 PM
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I support equal rights, that's why I'm not a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 05:42 PM
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Why should we spend our time and effort helping a group that actively opposes us?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:13 PM
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That’s literally not what male privilege even means lmao But that's how it is being used in practice
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:10 PM
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You know that feminism is a word with a definition right? Feminism is a movement that should be judged by the actions and sayings of its members.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:23 PM
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I feel those type of feminists only really exist online and terminally so. Don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:22 PM
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Not all feminists hate men, but they uphold a false worldview and deny the reality of sexism against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:22 PM
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There's no credentialing system on tiktok and Reddit does not check your references. There's no credentialing in real life too Being privileged does not mean men are given everything, and it does not mean that they do not suffer. So what the check does it mean, then? bell hooks has written extensively on the subject of male suffering. 'The Will to Change' Is an entire book focusing exclusively on naming and validating male pain and male suffering under patriarchy. You actually think I haven't re…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:21 PM
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That is not what feminism means. So you can't use the actions of feminists to judge feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:16 PM
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Some feminist opposed to male shelters therefore you cannot be a feminist. What? This is a recurring thing. Not a single instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:15 PM
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Feminism believes that men are privileged oppressors and women are oppressed victims. It is a divisive ideology that views the fight for gender equality as a fight between women and men, instead of working together to fight the gender roles that constrain both of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:10 PM
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You can complain about how MRAs talk about men's issues (I do too), but at least they're talking about them. Feminists could offer sympathy for men facing sexism and the pressures of gender norms, but instead they whine about "male privilege" and other woke crap, forcing men into those MRA spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 01:40 PM
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No, feminism uses "male privilege" as a reason to deny that men face struggles and be hostile to groups that address those struggles.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 01:34 PM
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Men are still expected to be providers (i.e. they must work and bring home money) for women, but women owe men nothing, not even loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:59 AM
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It's not that feminists care more about women, it's that they outright deny the sexism that men experience and vilify anyone who thinks differently from them. This is demonstrated most clearly when feminists oppose campaigns that raise awareness for male domestic violence survivors, and protest any existing resources/shelters that they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:57 AM
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believe in equal rights Believing in equal rights doesn't make you a feminist. Feminism is a narrative-based movement that punishes any dissent.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:55 AM
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I don’t think feminism is hostile to men. I think any ideology that tells men that their struggles are invalid (by claiming they have "male privilege") or vehemently denies their experiences with sexual or domestic violence is an ideology that is hostile to men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:53 AM
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“gentlemen” don’t engage in casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:47 PM
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This “ragebait” feminism is the most common form of feminism. Do you think every self-proclaimed feminist has read the literature, including the obscure ones that actually mention stuff that men deal with?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:03 PM
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Does it matter which vaguely defined demographic of women does it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 11:42 PM
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They’re “jokes” but you lose your mind if a man made the same “jokes” about women
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 09:47 PM
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I don’t care about this left-wing vs right-wing nonsense. The point is that women say this stuff and it’s considered acceptable
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 09:46 PM
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And then we see women dating the complete opposite of that, and also complain about men who exhibit traits they claim to like
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 06:03 PM
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Because they know the women are lying, unintentionally or not
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:54 PM
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The men you claim to want are not the men you actually date/have sex with. That is observable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:50 PM
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And a few of us choosing to be more selective isn't going to change that. It'll just guarantee we get no matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:31 PM
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promoted virginity in girls and sex only in marriages Immigrants are more likely to uphold these values, often to extremes, you'd know that if you've actually met some
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 03:16 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 11:52 PM
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And those women would've preferred to die than be subject to the constant rape and enslavement by enemy soldiers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 05:16 PM
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It means a man going on a dating app isn't as much of a failure as a woman going on a dating app.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:44 PM
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Because men can't just go into a bar or cafe or rec center and have members of the opposite sex coming up to them. Dating is a minefield for us guys, and unfortunately online dating isn't much of an improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:40 PM
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and that's why they're single and on the apps
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:15 PM
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"whores" and "assholes" aren't necessarily equatable, so of course you're going to get different answers
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:48 PM
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yeah, some, not most
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:47 PM
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“Who set that system up” Rich people did, and both genders perpetuate it, the working class man had nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 11:41 AM
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No but I'd certainly prioritize women's interests there before focusing on men. This isn't about prioritization. Justice is not a finite resource. Letting men get help after being raped doesn't stop women from getting the same help.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 04:00 PM
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Women can rape by forcing a man to have sex with her. That is rape, but the FBI definition does not acknowledge that. Look at the State of Virginia's definition of rape: If any person has sexual intercourse with a complaining witness, whether or not his or her spouse, or causes a complaining witness, whether or not his or her spouse, to engage in sexual intercourse with any other person and such act is accomplished (i) against the complaining witness's will, by force, threat or intimidation of o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:51 PM
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Individuals can be shitty. But there is nothing in “feminism” that advocates for this. So any feminist who says something bad can be dismissed as "not a real feminist"? And it’s also a fact that feminism is one of the few places that formally says “men shouldn’t be shamed for crying or needing help.” Where does the term "male tears" come from, then? Meanwhile, even MRA’s don’t seem to have that level of consideration for women, as they seem to formally look down on women needing help. Yeah, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:47 PM
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Telling men to seek therapy isn't "advocating", it's demeaning, considering the current state of therapy. Feminists are always there reminding us of our "male privilege" and that we have everything good. That is not something a male rape victim needs to hear. The fact is, men are not respected unless they adhere to rigid masculine norms that are not in their own best interests. Men are only valued based on how useful they are to women, and more powerful men. This is the reality of men, not the "…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:44 PM
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Uhh you do realize it was feminist groups that were critical for the UCR to adopt a gender neutral language definition for SA to include male victims right? Yes, but no. The new FBI definition of rape does not include female on male rape because it defines rape specifically as the act of penetration. Meanwhile, in India (Israel too), feminists are the ones leading the effort to block keep rape law gendered https://feministlawarchives.pldindia.org/wp-content/uploads/press-release-urging-governmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:28 PM
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what a load of nonsense
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:22 PM
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easy, almost every woman does it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 10:56 AM
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I agree. If men weren't so damn horny and afraid of being single, there would actually be pressure on women to be better. But women don't want men to have higher standards because women know their social capital comes from being desired by men, so they throw insults and accusations of misogyny at straight men who forgo romantic relationships with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 07:09 PM
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this means they have less to actually sift through when it comes to finding a suitable partner massive understatement made by someone who has no idea what dating is like for men. Most men have zero options, and they are lucky to get even one, so they get what they get. Men don't have the privilege of "sifting through" women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 01:51 PM
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Women have much more options in the dating scene than men do, so it's more of a failing when women choose abusive men. In other words, women choose abusive men over good, loving men, while men choose abusive women over being alone
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 01:31 PM
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Men made an app called "Teaborn" and Apple shut it down b/c women good men bad
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 06:56 PM
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Can't trust the media about these things, they'll lie and say whatever to protect the narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 06:54 PM
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So you'll be okay with an app for men to tell other men about women who are creepy, abusive, or just want free food?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 12:22 PM
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We know for sure that women would never tolerate an app like this for men discussing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 11:29 PM
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It's women AND men drilling this
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:15 PM
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(Decent) men stopped approaching women because women told them not to. Your gender made the rules, now you better live with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 03:02 PM
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Not a guarantee
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:06 PM
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Viewing other men as competition is very bad for men's mental health. If you all want better mental health outcomes, stop promoting toxic thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 05:32 PM
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How is any of that going to help men make more money and have meaningful relationships with the opposite sex? Should that come at the expense of the man's mental health?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 05:22 PM
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Female on male rape will not be taken seriously if men themselves keep joking about it. Part of making the issue serious and solving it requires recognizing that male rape victims aren't "lucky" and that it actually harms the victim. Are you too thick to understand that? Imagine if I said abuse against women isn't taken seriously enough because women themselves are hybristophiles If women were regularly joking about other women being abused, then it would absolutely be a relevent statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:42 AM
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Women do not create those laws So did patriarchy create the laws, or did men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:37 AM
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Men making light of it is exactly why it is minimized
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:23 AM
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So “patriarchy” does mean “men”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:22 AM
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toxic male social norms
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 09:25 PM
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Social norm: Boys wear blue and play football, girls wear pink and do ballet. Manners/Morals: Don't walk around in public naked, don't piss in the sink
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 03:50 PM
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"Everyone for themselves" is a recipe for societal collapse. Yet that's literally the male social norm: Men expected to not rely on others for support.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 02:04 AM
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Yes, don't confuse norms with manners/morals
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 02:02 AM
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Let’s look at the lyrics, it calls a man “stupid” and “slow” So you acknowledge the song is about one man, it makes no generalization about men, nor does it criticize anyone for something that they don't have control over, or for something that isn't wrong. I'd say you're doing pretty ok if this is the kind of thing that sets you off. What in red pill content comes across as misandrist to you? Anything that suggests men are "low value" because of any deviation from masculine norms. Telling men t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 12:20 AM
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Buddy, I just looked at the lyrics. There's no generalization of men in it. Meanwhile you got songs calling women hes and b*ches just for existing. There's more misandry in red pill content (since you identify as red pill) than anything Sabrina Carpenter put out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 05:52 PM
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No one is loved unconditionally... but being a woman isn't a reason why someone wouldn't be loved unconditionally
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:45 AM
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Being loved doesn't mean not being criticized
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:44 AM
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This isn't limited to "ultra-conservative" environments, buddy. Women not being mothers is still taboo among moderates
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 05:08 PM
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Puberty for girls: Monthly bleeding out of their vaginas Breast growth (extra chest weight) Catcalling Puberty for boys: Facial hair Wet dreams Horniness I think that explains it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 05:07 PM
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But modern intersectional feminism is very much centered on shared human needs and personal responsibility Is that why they blame all of women's actions on "patriarchy"? It acknowledges that patriarchy affects everyone, including men Feminists only bring this up to claim that men's issues are their own fault. This acknowledgement does nothing to fix these issues. If we’re serious about unity and progress, we have to stop treating feminism like it’s the enemy and start talking about the version t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 04:56 PM
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The media is not real life. I think they're talking about the judgement they receive from their own peers and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 04:49 PM
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Can you provide the actual comments you are referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 02:28 PM
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That's the prescribed dictionary definition, not what I asked. What does it really look like in practice?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 02:08 AM
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Women are not a monolith. Yet they view men as one
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 01:51 PM
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Then what is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 01:50 PM
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Then which women are representative of the average woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 01:49 PM
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That doesn't matter to the kid who already had to deal with those parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 05:42 PM
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If that was true, then you’re literally proving OP’s point. If it wasn’t, you’re just revealing your own misogynistic beliefs
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 12:21 PM
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Correct. It is, however, the demographic affected by the issue that is responsible for raising it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 11:33 PM
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Correct, but that doesn’t change the fact that the average American man isn’t concerned by male circumcision. This isn’t meant to blame men, it’s simply pointing out the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 11:02 PM
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The main problem with banning male circumcision is that there is still massive public support from men for keeping it legal and widespread. If men don't care about it, then there's no way in hell women will either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 09:45 PM
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but rather that many feminist goals do end up helping men as a byproduct, which is true When women fought for the right to wear pants, did that automatically mean men could wear skirts or dresses? If anything, it's the LGBTQ+ movement, not feminism, that's spearheading that effort. When feminists set up resources and support groups for women experiencing domestic violence, did that automatically mean that male victims got them too? No, men had to fight for that in court. This is why we can't ass…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 09:42 PM
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Nobody has ever claimed that women were perfect. "Believe all women" implies women never lie. Regarding the derogatory comments, equating an acknowledgement of men's issues with outright slurs and gender role enforcement only helps actual misogynists.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 05:53 PM
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Right, feminists use terms like "toxic masculinity" and "fragile masculinity" to mock men
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 05:25 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/message/messages/18y86vz not sure if you can access it here's the comment that got me banned: Too many feminists think expanding freedom for women automatically results in expanded freedom for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 05:24 PM
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I got banned just for saying feminism wasn't perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 04:22 PM
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r/Menslib is ineffective because it is too careful not to offend feminists, that men are effectively de-centered in their own space, they're no better than MRAs who almost exclusively talk about hating feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 04:17 PM
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No, it was your choice to label us misogynists just for saying women aren't perfect and that man can experience sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 04:10 PM
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I, too, like laughing at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 04:08 PM
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Again, I see feminists advocating for men and women Where? How exactly are feminists advocating for men? All I see is feminists calling men privileged just for being men and dismissing the very real issues they face. You get to escape your gender roles, now how about you show support for the men who also reject traditional gender roles?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 04:06 PM
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Misandrist is calling men beta simp cucks, which feminists do not do. Feminists aren't against it either. Misandry also includes telling male rape victims that they don't as much as support as female rape victims. Misandry is denying the reality of domestic violence against men. Feminists proudly do both these things
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 04:05 PM
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Misogyny is bad, and so is misandry. Instead of vilifying people over minor differences in beliefs, try to be a bit more understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 04:02 PM
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manosphere nonsense any acknowledgement of men's social issues is labeled "manosphere nonsense" by blue-pillers and leftists.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 04:00 PM
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The red pill and the manosphere is popular among young men, because they are the only ones talking to young men...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 03:57 PM
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This good enough? Canada is a feminist nation, so whoever is in charge is at least a strong support of the movement. Now show me the condolences and criticisms of the government from women that you claim to exist. Mens shed is a massive organisation, and that is one singular instance of women being admitted in one singular location Give them an inch, they'll take a mile or two
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 03:44 PM
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NO, you just can't tolerate men discusses their issues in a way that does not center women or promote the feminist narrative. You are an individual, you don't represent any movement. Go to Youtube, and you'll find lots of footage of feminists protesting events focused on male mental health and societal issues. A man named Earl Silverman tried opening a shelter for male domestic violence victims but feminists fought against him every step of the way. When he committed suicide, they cheered. And j…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 03:24 PM
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https://cne.news/article/29-danish-parliament-rejects-ban-on-boys-circumcision Denmark refused to ban it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 12:30 PM
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Because feminists only care about women, it's in the name.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 12:28 PM
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Men who advocate for solving men's issues are routinely labeled misogynists or accused of "derailing" efforts for a similar women's issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 12:27 PM
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Apparently plenty of adults love gossip
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 03:16 PM
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You want him to pay for you, you accept that he controls the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:50 PM
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Wow, you feminists really love patriarchy when it benefits you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 01:33 PM
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So it's a coincidence that your preference is also patriarchy's preference?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 01:30 PM
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If that is your preference, then you have no right to complain about other men being insecure about their height, and you cannot blame "patriarchy" for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:45 PM
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If a woman wants her man to pay for everything, she must accept that he is the one in control. His role in the relationship has been established, and now she must accept a role too, otherwise leave the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:42 PM
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Women can have the preferences they want, as long as they accept the implications of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 11:53 AM
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So what percentage of the guys on r/Askmen are lying when they said their partners left them for showing emotion? What incentive is there for a woman to stay with an overly emotional guy when they have another, more stoic and traditionally masculine guy waiting in her DMs? Not all women are like that, but the incentives are there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 01:17 PM
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and what makes you think your actions are the norm?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 12:04 PM
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The women here aren’t speaking from experience, they’re only mentioning theoreticals. Whereas the men here are speaking from experience
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 11:03 AM
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Yet men are expected to be women’s therapists
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 11:00 AM
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Doesn’t mean the man will get it, though
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 10:30 PM
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But if we did decenter women, we’d be called misogynists even more
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 11:33 AM
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The one thing feminists don't fully realize is that, for all the privileges that men were given in the past, they came with strict responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:55 PM
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nope, not for the 99% of men OK, That second paragraph was clearly added after I made this comment
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 12:05 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1n2gs2/comment/ccf5lr0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button you calling this guy a liar?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 10:04 PM
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It is assault. Yeah, no shit. I am glad that you were able to help your brother get out of an abusive marriage. Female-on-male DV is a major blind spot for the feminist movement (and society as a whole), and I encourage you to tell your (presumably feminist?) friends about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 07:16 PM
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I know that most feminists don't outright say it's ok for a woman to grope a man. Stop putting words in my mouth. But feminists aren't sensitive to instances of women groping men like they are with men groping women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 07:13 PM
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Good for you, I said "feminists" collectively. Sexual assault can be done by any gender towards any gender, and all survivors deserve support. (EDIT2: I will stand by this belief no matter how many downvotes I get) (EDIT: No way you downvoted me for this)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 05:15 PM
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They can joke about their own experiences, not rape in general
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 04:32 PM
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One continued to try to touch me after I had clearly said no Feminists would call that sexual assault if the genders were reversed
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 04:26 PM
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This crap, again?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 08:40 PM
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and I know exactly 0
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:37 PM
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Thank you for the good advice and not being a jerk like the other guy
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:05 AM
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such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 12:48 AM
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wrong, seriously, where the heck is the female age 25-30 demographic?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 12:47 AM
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Dating apps simply do not work for straight men, get that into your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 11:20 PM
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RIP autistic men
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 11:17 PM
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You must go on a lot of dates, share your wisdom with us.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 11:17 PM
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What hobbies have women in them? Rec centers are total sausage fests, and the only women there are over 40
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 11:15 PM
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A man (or woman) has every right to be concerned about his partner's (or potential partner's) sexual past. This isn't something that's going to be resolved by paying $100 an hour to talk to a stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 02:12 PM
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Now we know why early feminists fought to criminalize sex work
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:48 PM
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You can't stop the horny
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:47 PM
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Yet both still stand, stronger than they did this time last year
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:27 AM
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shamed out of developing male-specific support networks well, this is still a real problem, and the result is that men's spaces end up being run by men with no shame (Tate, Peterson)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 07:14 PM
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If we weren't allowed to have male-specific spaces becasue of gynocentrism, then there wouldn't be red pill. Heck, there wouldn't be a Republican Party. Unless by "non-feminist" you mean anti-feminist spaces that do nothing about actual men's issues, but instead focus on opposing feminism and doubling down on the rigid gender norms that created men's issues. Fraternities and men's sports leagues are examples of "non-feminist" men's spaces, and their existance is not under attack
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 07:11 PM
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Sure, as long as you apply this to both genders
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:29 PM
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Him: "Women are this, but so are men, but at least men are called out for it" You: "But men are also like this" You are literally proving our point that women don't like being called out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:09 PM
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The problem with modern women all comes down to thinking they aren't like the men they complain about, when in fact, they are much more similar to the men their age than previous generations of women were to their own generation of men. They complain about men being self-centered, abusive, emotionally undeveloped, when women are the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:06 PM
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Ain't no way you're a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:46 PM
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act like women and what does that mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:27 PM
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There are ways women have it bad, feminism focuses on that. Feminism is one part of the greater gender issues discourse which analyzes the impact of rigid gender norms on what opportunities, however big or small, an individual has access to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 03:02 AM
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Personally, I think everyone should do whatever possible and reasonable to defend their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 05:39 PM
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The who tf are feminists advocating for?!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 05:38 PM
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Here's why you're actually a feminist even though you just said you aren't a feminist." No, the more likely response to "I believe in gender equality but I'm not a feminists" is: "Then you don't actually believe in gender equality".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 05:37 PM
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Should we blame women for being attracted to abusive men just because those men are confident and often rich?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 02:59 AM
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If you are at a concert or show, you can walk right up to a woman who is dancing and say "You seem to be having a good time and I think you are really cute. Want to go grab a drink?" No the hell you can't! That's literally textbook definition of modern sexual harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 01:07 PM
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So blame men for the shallowness of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 12:51 PM
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What men’s interests come at the expense of women’s?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 12:02 PM
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What part don't you understand?
/r/MensRights03/04/25 03:57 PM
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Correct, everything we do, we get shit for. And we're going to get shit for not caring too. Better not care about that either. The more we care about others' opinions, the more empowered they are to control us. The other part is that we men should not engage in this same judgement that we ourselves are trying to escape from.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 01:27 PM
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Because SAHDs actually do the housework while SAHMs spend the day getting their hair and nails done at their husband’s expense.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 08:54 AM
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Go on. Tell me.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 08:50 AM
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Men are too busy busting their asses off to go shopping for a bunch of unnecessary crap like wall posters or elaborate coasters and couch pillows.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 08:47 AM
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Just accept what feminism is in reality. I don’t care what feminism was “meant” to be. Feminism protects female sexual predators like this bitch, and celebrities like Asia Argento, Katy Perry, Blake Lively, and Amber Heard.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 08:45 AM
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Feminists don’t stop being feminist just because they did something bad or worse.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 08:37 AM
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Yes, and to no one’s surprise, she’s the real abuser
/r/MensRights03/04/25 08:34 AM
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Reverse the genders, if a male actor had simply asked to grope a female costar’s privates, his career would be over. Do you think Henry Golding had the option to say no? He would have been labeled gay and lost his career.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 08:33 AM
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You are not required to support women's rights. You are only required not to be part of the problem i.e. not to engage in sexist behavior toward anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:38 AM
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If women having rights makes it harder for you to date, then you don't deserve to date
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:36 AM
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Dressing provocatively does not directly lead to sexual assault. Someone would have to do that to her. Sex directly causes pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:37 PM
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A woman can claim to be on birth control when she wasn't This is a major reason why people shouldn't have sex with strangers or anyone they aren't committed to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 05:37 PM
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When you do stuff, you accept the risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 05:36 PM
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Feminism advocates for women, as the name implies. If majority of women believe it’s the man’s job to make the first move, then it’s only logical that feminists won’t challenge that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 03:49 PM
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If feminist =/= woman, then who are feminists advocating for?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:38 AM
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Good point. Feminists always say rape is underreported, but when it comes to rape against men, they don’t even consider that a factor and just roll with the popular narrative of rape being a women’s issue only.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 03:34 PM
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You know what I meant. Rape is almost always defined as penetration, not including being made to penetrate. Ironically, a lot of feminists uphold this definition when it is based off a patriarchal view of sex as something done by men to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 01:27 PM
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90% of rapists are men because it's not considered rape when women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 01:23 PM
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Makeup is as much a hobby as shaving or wearing suits
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 01:31 AM
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Ok, so you, and other women who make the same claim, may not complain that the "patriarchy" forces you to wear makeup. Thought experiment: If you decided not to wear makeup one day (no foundation or concealer either), how many people are going to think you are sick?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 01:13 AM
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Because I enjoy aesthetic things and dressing up. Those are just some of my hobbies. They add happiness to my life. Cut the crap, it's social pressure and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 10:45 PM
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Rich men get more dates, that's a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 04:03 PM
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Most young women still prefer men who earn more than them and cover dating expenses (dinner, outings, presents, etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:47 PM
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Why don't men care about men's issues either though? We do, we can't do much because anything we do would draw the ire of both radical feminists and sometimes far-right conservatives. That means only the jerks end up speaking about the issues. When men talk about sexual assault or domestic violence against men, feminists call it "derailing" and accuse the men of being misogynists. Any woman involved is labelled a "pick-me".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:37 PM
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My guy, you literally said that feminism isn't just about women. Now you are agreeing that feminists don't have an obligation to think about men's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:29 PM
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How many times have feminists said that (insert men’s issue) is not their problem to solve?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 12:32 PM
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Men have tried, and faced great resistance from feminists (Earl Silverman is one example, something similar happened in Italy last year). That's not the best excuse, but it's wrong for feminists to say that men should organize for themselves and then fight back against them. Also, government gives a lot of tax dollars women's shelters, but nothing for men facing domestic violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 08:03 PM
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And? Masculinists are always complaining about not having that and feminists are fighting for it. Shouldn't they be happy? Reasons do matter, sometimes. The feminist rationale for parental leave for men does nothing to break the stigma of men spending a lot of time with their children. Ultimately, men aren't going to take the leave if they're still considered secondary parents. Women's rights help men's rights just like you can see here More rights for women doesn't mean more rights for men. Let…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 05:33 PM
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If not a feminist, at least be someone who understands the extent that a person's gender shapes their lives, and what kinds of sexism exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:29 PM
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Feminism's main goal was advocacy for women regardless of their relative position to men, not equality. You don't see feminists, or even feminist men, challenging negative gender norms for men. It is a movement built on a false narrative that men live privileged lives by virtue of their gender, while women are oppressed by the men. Read Bell Hooks' The Will to Change and look at the crap that boys and men have to deal with, and feminism denies it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:27 PM
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The right for male domestic violence victims to organize and have shelters and resources dedicated to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:22 PM
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The original draft of the Violence against Women Act in the 90s only provided funding for women's DV services, even though the gender-neutral Family Violence Protection and Services Act already existed. Only after lawsuits brought forth by men and men's rights activists did the bill finally get amended to include men, with mixed results.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:20 PM
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including those benefiting men such as having an equally paid parental leave of the same duration for both sexes The ONLY reason why (some) feminists give a crap about parental leave for men is because women taking time more time off work hurts their careers, and they want to even the playing field. It was never about allowing fathers to spend time with their kids. Feminist will only help men as a proxy for helping women. It is a women's movement after all. making it easier for men to share thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:16 PM
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so "not all women" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:11 PM
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Does her boyfriend emotionally support you too?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 01:07 AM
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Women want dominant men, and having high social status is one indicator of that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 11:32 PM
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Some women offer a lot in terms of logistical/emotional support. 1 in a million, my guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 11:31 PM
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and that is... ?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:20 PM
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at least men are honest about preferring traditional roles
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:20 PM
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I agree that OP's tone is off-putting, but his points have merit. Women are treated more gently in ways men are not, and that affords them many privileges that 99% of men do not receive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:56 AM
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Women love to complain about "toxic masculinity" when men act all stoic and unfeeling. But they conveniently leave out the fact that women themselves hold these standards for their prospective partners. But blaming the outgroup is so much easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 03:52 PM
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not "strong", but one who appears "strong"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 03:36 PM
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Well, problems affecting everyone (e.g SA, DV) often get labelled as "women's issues", so as a blue pill, you can't really complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 02:30 PM
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so… men do approach you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 11:49 AM
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If a man is being beaten, that isn’t the time to talk about how women are beaten more. See how it goes both ways? Maybe someday you and your friends will understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 11:25 AM
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You feminists constantly bring up stuff that happened in the distant past, like women not being able to have bank accounts. Well, this is more recent. Also, look up. Earl Silverman, he started a men’s shelter out of his home and helped a good number of men. But the feminist-led government refused to give him a single dollar, whereas the women’s shelters receive tons of money to separate battered women from their battered teenage sons.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 11:24 AM
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“Women looking for men” = Women existing in public and hoping the next guy who approaches her isn’t ugly or neurodivergent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 03:36 AM
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Many feminists are under the zero-sum perception that any acknowledgement of domestic violence against men is a diversion from discussions of domestic violence against women. That's whey they think it's derailing or "minimizing domestic violence against women"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 02:47 AM
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No one wants to be seen as weak
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 02:44 AM
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“men can be victims of domestic violence” this phrase is considered "derailing" by feminists Regarding the second point, you may say it's hateful, but it's true. How many of your friends' relationships were initiated by the woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 02:43 AM
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Men who accept "protection" are seen as weak, and a perception of a man as weak will completely negatively affect his romantic and sociallife.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:15 PM
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Where? All I see is women telling men to be "allies" to women, nothing about men being allies to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:12 PM
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We have something to lose
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 10:38 PM
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Men doing anything to prioritize themselves and each other over women is already seen as denigrating to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 10:38 PM
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Our employers aren't "insignificant" to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 10:35 PM
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Again, why does it matter that OP presented multiple problems of different severities? It's just an excuse to ignore reality and live in the comfort of feminist falsehoods.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 10:02 PM
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Women don't actively seek out men. Men come to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 10:00 PM
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A rational person wouldn't see it as misogynist, but we don't live in rational times.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 09:59 PM
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An example: Saying that men can be victims of domestic violence and deserve help isn't misogynistic (in my opinion). However that doesn't stop folks like Murray Strauss and Erin Pizzey from being vilified by feminists. Everyone's got an opinion on what is and isn't misogynist, and good men are afraid of upsetting the wrong people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 09:57 PM
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We don't want to get cancelled. We want to help, but we can't if it means risking our reputation and our careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 09:55 PM
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That's not the reason why, and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 09:52 PM
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Men supporting each other is considered misogynist, which stops good men from doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 09:48 PM
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Women benefit from the Women are Wonderful Effect This is an understatement. This is literraly the foundation of the privileges that women have in society. The false feminist narrative that men are the privileged oppressors who face no hardship because of their gender is a total lie that has done so much damage to gender relations and men's mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 09:40 PM
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Sorry, is this a joke subreddit? I must have missed the memo
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 06:35 PM
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Animals don’t wear gendered clothing Animals don’t associate certain colors with specific sexes Human gender roles go deeper than biological imperatives
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:18 PM
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https://www.theduluthmodel.org/ https://www.theduluthmodel.org/wheels/using-adapting-wheels/content-adaptation-page1/ To make the wheel gender neutral would erase the experience that so many women have at the hands of their male partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 04:31 PM
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The official feminist domestic violence model denies domestic violence against men or domestic violence outside of hetero relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 03:49 PM
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Men need to raise their standards Women would lose so much if men had higher standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 02:45 PM
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The Duluth Model of domestic violence didn't just randomly appear, you know
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 09:25 PM
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How? Womens groups are very adamant that women can’t really be abusive to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:04 PM
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not what I was doing
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 02:48 PM
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Physical toughness - a masculine ideal Can be used to protect loved ones - healthy Can be used to harm loved ones - toxic
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 02:44 PM
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Toxic - Having a negative effect on one's physical or mental health. Toxic Masculinity - Ideals of masculinity taken to the extreme to the point where they are toxic
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 02:34 PM
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That’s a great question, how did people being assholes get lumped into masculinity? Because some men think that kind of asshole behavior is "tough" and "manly", and men are often called sissies or f***ots for not being like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 02:33 PM
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women who exhibit toxic behavior and attitudes with the belief that such behavior is feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 02:30 PM
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My argument is that society's idea of toxic masculinity, is just toxic behavior. Not just toxic behavior, but toxic behavior that is considered as "masculine" by those who exhibit or promote it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 10:32 PM
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You just said it didn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 10:27 PM
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Masculinity is a social standard, there's no objectively correct definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 10:21 PM
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Who decides what is and isn't masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 09:36 PM
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This is just a No True Scotsman fallacy, as many other commenters pointed out. Regardless of what you think masculinity is, there are plenty of men who exhibit that toxic behavior with the belief that such behavior is masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 09:33 PM
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No no, it's a conversation starter you see Yeah, for someone with no social skills
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 04:59 PM
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The app doesn't handle it. The people do. So the app is nothing more than virtue signalling. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 03:26 PM
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If working 9-5 is bad for women, wouldn't it be bad for men too? This isn't a gendered thing so it isn't related to feminism. There are legitimate reasons to criticize feminism, but this ain't it, lady(?).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 01:42 PM
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The consent apps are bullshit. If someone can be coerced into sex, they can be coerced into marking themselves as "consenting" on the app. And how does the app handle withdrawal of consent during the act? Are you supposed to have the phone in your hands at all times while doing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 04:57 AM
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Your criticisms of the feminist view of privilege shows how obsessed feminists are with pushing a narrative that men are the privileged oppressors while women are the helpless victims. Framing female privilege as "benevolent sexism" is perhaps the perfect example of that. Rather than using power as a paradigm or a lens to look at patriarchy, I think patriarchy is best understood as a sort of mental virus that infects and hurts all of us. I would be understanding of this view, but is this a commo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 01:51 AM
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I've read Bell Hooks Will to Change, where she acknowledges the pressures that boys and men have to be "dominant", and that the problem is partially driven by women as well as men. Perhaps it shouldn't count because she makes it clear in the book that her views do not represent feminism as a whole. So tell me, what feminist acknowledges female privilege? Is she well-known within the community? Does she have a high ranking government position where she has influence over public policy?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 11:01 PM
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A classic example of toxic masculinity is a guy with an injury who won't go to the doctor because he thinks that would make him a pussy or less manly. No, that's not toxic masculinity. That's him having insecurities that emerged as a result of being bullied as a boy for the slightest deviations from masculine norms. The bullying he faced was the toxic masculinity, not his later refusal of medical care. You know, this is a great opportunity for men and feminists to collab and teach young boys tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 08:17 PM
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So when will feminists that women, like men, have certain privileges based on their gender? Things like: not being seen as a threat around children, more scholarship opportunities, having resources if you're a victim of domestic abuse, etc. I've never heard a feminist specifically acknowledging any of these things as privileges, rather than dismissing them as "benevolent sexism", or saying it's men's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 08:09 PM
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If it's because of men being seen as just tools for women/other men, then yes, you are correct. If it's men telling other men that they need to constantly prove themselves "masculine" because anything not-masculine is "weak", then it would be toxic masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 06:32 PM
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The thing is, "toxic masculinity", when defined correctly as "manifestations of extreme mascunlity that result in unnecessary violence or anti-social behevaiors in men", does exist and is a serious issue that needs discussion. But feminists just use it as a buzzword to mock men who don't put women on pedestals.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 05:25 PM
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You are exactly correct, but feminists are too woke to understand that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 05:23 PM
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No, benevolent sexism is used because feminists are too uptight to use the term "female privilege"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 04:41 PM
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An actual study on purplepilldebate? Heresy! /s But in all seriousness, in the real world, women aren't lining up to date effeminate or nerdy men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 09:19 PM
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Because so many men WANT to be providers. They also want to be appreciated for providing, which is happening less nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:04 PM
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I have no reason to believe otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:15 PM
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Because women aren't as shamed for viewing men as providers as men are for viewing women as sex objects.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:13 PM
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Women don't grow on trees, buddy. Unlike y'all, us men have to go out and find a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 03:27 AM
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Difference is men don't usually get that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 03:27 AM
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Feminism is a "blame men" movement, so of course they aren't going to acknowledge the role that women play in promoting "patriarchal" ideas e.g. hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 02:41 PM
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Women have the right to intact genitals while men don’t. What am I supposed to make of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 01:20 PM
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Feminism’s primary goal is the advancement of women, regardless of the current position of men. If it was really about equality, they’d be calling for women to register with selective services (or trying to abolish it), they’d also be calling for equality in area where men are disadvantaged or underrepresented such as mental health resources, representation in teaching and nursing. But they aren’t, instead they attack those men who try to handle those issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 01:15 PM
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Men who discuss men’s issues are labeled misogynists, Lilith. Feminists even call it “derailing” when a man talks about something like male sexual abuse victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 07:19 PM
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If men want to form a group to discuss how women are the reason/to blame for all of mens problems, and if women just changed men wouldn’t have any problems, Hey buddy, this is literally how feminist groups talk about men. Stop whining just because the genders are reversed. Let us have our own spaces, and we won't have to invade your spaces just to get some attention paid to our issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 02:45 AM
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If it's not women's or feminism's job to fix men and men's issues (I actually agree with this part), then don't be surprised when men start looking for solutions outside of feminist theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 10:18 PM
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Well, are half of all victims men or no? Debatable, in terms of occurrences, yes, severity is where things might be different. Still not a reason to dismiss domestic abuse against men. Sounds to me like you're just looking for an excuse to downplay domestic abuse against men. Nice talking to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 07:12 PM
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But yes, thanks for sharing. I think some of your examples align with what I had assumed. I think you have one or two in that first list that are valid imo. So can you understand our disdain when we're told that feminists are already handling a certain men's issue and therefore we should just shut up?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 07:05 PM
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This should count. https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/male-domestic-abuse-billboard-letstalkmen-criticised-10106850.html A simple billboard created by a men's organization acknowledging domestic violence against men and the lack of resources got so much backlash by feminists and others. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:56 PM
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Here's a list, with citations: https://np.reddit.com/r/malementalhealth/comments/1i9f5ee/comment/m9bnr9z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Some more: Feminists (health minister is a feminist) in Denmark opposed a ban on male circumcision https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/250441 High profile feminist Katherine Spillar denying domestic abuse against men https://imgur.com/i-recently-watched-red-pill-as-male-who-had-abusive-girlfriend-coll…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:39 PM
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I don’t expect women to do any of the work. They should just stop demonizing men for simple disagreements.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:34 PM
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There is no “manosphere” as a cohesive group. You’re grouping all the menslib/LWMA types along with the hardcore Tate stans. Yes, some men are doing their best to address these issues. Most men know these issues exist, but are afraid of speaking out publicly because they’ll get cancelled and lose their jobs/careers, because they’ll have to go against the feminist narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:28 PM
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I’ll try: Dismissal of sexual assault against men by media, society, and legal system Dismissal of domestic violence against men, and lack of resources or recognition for them Discrimination against fathers in family courts (exorbitant child support obligations, custody discrimination) Discrimination against male nurses and teachers Male circumcision done on infant boys Homophobia in general Villification of men who don’t conform to gender norms (this is the big one that underlies all of them) J…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:21 PM
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elaborate
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:14 PM
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I’m not following, are ypu suggesting that anyone who is concerned about men’s issues e.g. mental health, sexual assault, domestic abuse is part of the “manosphere” and needs to be avoided?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:14 PM
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bUt wHaT aBoUt tHe mEn?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:53 PM
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On DEI, no one should get preferential status based on gender, race, or age, or anything other than merit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:04 PM
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What women say =/= What women want
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:28 AM
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So why are women more “moral”?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 07:22 PM
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Male variability has everything to do with the fact that men are expected to prove themselves worthy, so they go out and do things, sometimes good, sometimes bad. Women aren’t held to such an expectation, so being average doesn’t hurt them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 05:11 PM
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Then you tell me why women aren’t committing as many of those crimes as men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 05:08 PM
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Women are emphatic to other women, not to men or boys. Women aren’t going to be shamed for being gay for showing empathy or concern for other women. Women aren’t going to called sexist for creating services (e.g. DV shelters) specifically for other women. Women aren’t taught self-sufficiency to the same extent as men are, leading them to have less reservations (and face less social consequences) about accepting help. Women aren’t taught to constantly have to prove their femininity, while also be…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 03:56 PM
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What do you mean? Men are held responsible for anything that happens in a relationship or marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 03:54 AM
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Men are still expected to be the primary income earners, despite all the progress made for women in the professional scene Men are still expected to be the protectors of women Men are still expected to pay alimony to their ex-wives, regardless of circumstances
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 03:52 AM
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Men have the same responsibilities that they've always had to women, while women do not have the same responsibilities they've had to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 06:33 PM
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Most women can’t tell the difference either
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 10:46 AM
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What should men do?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 01:11 PM
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before Jan 20, yes Feminists and leftist control academia and internet platforms.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:30 AM
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Patriarchal gender roles that men and women both enforce, and that progressives pretend to oppose until they realize the implications of removing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:44 PM
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It needs to be men, but feminists complain whenever men do something that doesn't prioritize women, and try to shut it down, whether it's presentations about male suicide, men's clubs, or men's domestic violence sheters.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:35 PM
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All of them. Men, women, rightwing, leftwing, white, black, gay, straight, etc. No one wants to listen to a man talk about trauma and feelings, especially his romantic partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 08:46 PM
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Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 08:40 PM
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I see encouragements for men to work on their mental health, to talk to someone, to go to therapy, to have a group of friends they can be emotional with all the time. That's just virtue signaling, they tell men to talk, but they are hostile to those same men when they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 08:39 PM
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Hello, week old account
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 10:25 PM
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Is every pants-wearing woman mentally ill too?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 03:03 PM
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less than 0.1%
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 03:02 PM
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Queer women or straight allies. None of them are accepting of male crossdressers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 03:00 PM
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Wrong. Women aren't lining up to date crossdressers or femboys
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 02:59 PM
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You don't reveal your kinks on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 02:56 PM
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I don’t want to be with someone with severe mental health issues Crossdressing isn't a mental illness, buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 02:55 PM
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Does she wear pants? If yes, I have no sympathy for hypocrites like her. Women be all like "gender roles are bad and need to be broken", but then do a 180 when a man follows through on that. Either way, he should have told her within the first year, for better or for worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 02:53 PM
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The “equality movement” created the laws and police department policies that the cops follow and enforce.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 01:26 PM
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Well, the "equality" movement is doing everything it can to stop that
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 01:46 AM
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A society that prioritizes men would take sexual assault and domestic abuse against men seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 11:05 PM
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good thing you said "my feminism" 'cause that ain't the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 11:01 PM
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Most sports-related hobby groups are male dominated, so not really a great hook up or LTR place
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 04:29 PM
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Ignore social pressure If it were that easy, then why do social movements like feminism and BLM still exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 07:51 PM
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Nobody is forcing you Legally, yes, no one is forcing men to be the breadwinners. But social pressure exists, and conformity is expected in order to get ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 07:41 PM
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Never said otherwise. In fact that's inline with what I've been saying here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 03:24 AM
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Women care about who a man is Women send love letters to mass murderers
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 03:06 AM
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Really? That's your take? Blaming individual men for something out of their control? If you really want men to have standards, don't cry when women suddenly have a harder (still easier than men) time with dating and their Tinder likes go down.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:14 PM
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Men have low standards because they have much fewer options than women. Beggars can't be choosers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:08 PM
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Touch grass, dude
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 08:50 PM
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Feminists do the same with male victims of SA, dismissing them because they think it’s rare (it isn’t)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 02:34 PM
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Women are more empathetic to other women than men are to other men fixed Women are allowed to be friendly to other women in ways that would be seen as 'gay' when men do it. Also, men are raised to be more independent than women are. This creates an "every man for himself" mentality among men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 07:18 PM
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Here: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/cabinet-nod-to-make-rape-gender-neutral-riles-womens-groups/articleshow/15049606.cms A simple Google search goes a long way, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 05:35 PM
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if my company is hemorrhaging money from two issues and one is going to cost me $100 million a year and the other is going to cost me $50 million a year, I am going to address the $100 million issue first. If someone else wants to work on the $50M issue while you're preoccupied, does tha mean you should shame the other person? Because that's what feminism would do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 05:20 PM
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It's feminists who see equality as zero-sum, for example, they oppose any awareness of male domestic violence victims because they think it will divert attention and funding from female DV victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 05:11 PM
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Buddy, you hit rock bottom and you're continuing to dig, take the L and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 05:10 PM
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Feminists in India and Israel fought against their government's attempt to redefine rape and sexual assault as gender neutral offenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 05:08 PM
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I left mensrights a long time ago, mainly because the sub was all about complaining about feminism rather than actually having discussions about men's issues. However, MRAs going full MAGA was a natural consequence of feminism being unwilling to tolerate any discussions of men's issues and restrictive male gender norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:53 PM
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Like you're jealous that women have a community We wouldn't have a problem with it if you didn't call us misogynistic for wanting our own
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:50 PM
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Clementine Ford complained that men weren't dying enough from COVID
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:44 PM
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Working class men are more "oppressed" than upper middle class (mainly white) women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:44 PM
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Theory vs practice. I fully support the idea that men and women should have the same opportunities in life and that gender roles are too restrictive and only exist for the benefit of authority figures. However, this isn't how the modern feminist movement operates. Feminism views equality as more of a power struggle between men and women and is more interested in pushing a narrative of male oppression over women, than actually understanding how gender norms shape our way of thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:42 PM
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This post is about feminism, not MRAs. Everyone know MRAs don't care about men or women. MRAs don't control the media and Hollywood, feminists do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:38 PM
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That's a completely different context. No, it isn't. I doubt you'd sympathize with a man who was pressured into sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:30 PM
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So what? She’s a high profile feminist and well-received with the larger feminist community. I’d say she’s representative of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:16 PM
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That doesn’t mean it was their choice. It’s what was instilled into them by both men and women, or most likey a previous female partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:14 PM
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A man’s appearance definitely affects how a woman perceives his personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 01:14 AM
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Women are able to be picky because they have more options. Women have more options because men are hornier than women. At least until women hit the wall
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 01:12 AM
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That is University of Michigan's official policy https://www.huffpost.com/entry/university-of-michigan-sexual-violence_b_5910788
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 07:06 PM
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University of Michigan https://www.thefire.org/news/u-michigan-policy-says-no-means-sexual-violence (original UMich page is deleted) EDIT: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/university-of-michigan-sexual-violence_b_5910788 better source
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 07:02 PM
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Apparently, "withholding sex" is considered a form of domestic abuse. Insanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:54 PM
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I wish more people understood that. Also, women aren't any better at accepting rejection than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:46 PM
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Because denying sex to a woman is considered misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:14 PM
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I was winning the argument (not that I was trying), and I only spoke facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:28 PM
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actually yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:10 AM
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Don't you think women would get more upset if a man was supposedly insulting them?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:12 PM
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Jokes about a friend's weight due to unwillingness to exercise
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:06 PM
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Because modern feminism has taught women to take all criticism as personal attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:05 PM
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Men can’t tell the same jokes around women that they can tell around men, political correctness, and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 07:10 PM
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The amount of times I've heard the terms "mangina" "soyboy" or "cuck" in mensrights or other men's communities is astounding.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 02:49 AM
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Welcome to Reddit debate
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 02:48 AM
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Good, as long as you're okay with men having weight preferences
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:42 AM
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So you do have a height preference, just not at 6 feet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:40 AM
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I was referring to how the term "toxic masculinity" is actually used. The term is just thrown around, to the point where it's meaning is lost. If women don't date femboys, then a femboy is forced to change himself if he wants to be married. Where is he going to find a woman who is into femboys? Clearly feminism sees some men as "dominant" and some as weaker, even if they aren't upfront about it. This is a societal phenomenon, not a "male" phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:23 PM
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The only meaning those terms ever had was whatever the people in power decided they should mean. Honestly, those terms caused too much trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 12:33 PM
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To answer your gish gallop: Feminist women constantly complain about “toxic masculinity” whenever a man does something for his own benefit. Most heterosexual men want to be married some day, so they need to be the kind of man that women want, and women clearly are not lining up to date femboys. Last question: Because society is too quick to categorize men, and feminism is complicit in this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 12:27 PM
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"Easy" doesn't mean requiring no effort. Housework and childcare are tough, but aren't burdens. Housewives can't get laid off or fired.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:06 PM
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aren't expected to that's the main point
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 09:17 PM
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It's the understanding that the stereotypical traditional woman's life is very easy to attain and live, compared to the typical man's life. Women aren't expected to work 40 hours a week to provide for the family. Women aren't expected to make the first move or plan things in a relationship. Women are protected in ways men aren't. there's more I might add later. It's the reality that the average working class woman's life consists of fewer responsibilities and obligations than the average working…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 09:03 PM
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When you try to mention something that hurts men, like not being able to talk about feelings too deeply, you get dismissive responses like "men set it up that way" or "it's men's fault". So yes, feminists are blaming "men" specifically when talking about patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 10:16 PM
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Feminism uses the two terms interchageably.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 11:16 PM
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It was an MRA lawyer, not a feminist, named Marc Angelucci who sued the left/progressive state of California to stop denying state-funded services to male domestic violence victims. Feminists in Italy just recently protested an ad for a hotline for male domestic violence victims. Feminism had done absolutely nothing good for male domestic violence victims, creating a need for alternative groups to handle the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 11:12 PM
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Well, the Duluth Model says otherwise. Feminists don't think it's a serious issue that requires a board discussion, and you certainly don't see feminists, even male feminist allies, attempting to build shelters/centers for male domestic violence victims, or calling out police discrimination against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 07:42 PM
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yes, if it's done to evoke a response
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 07:13 PM
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I stated a manosphere/anti-feminist view that I held, as an example
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:57 PM
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I believe that men can be victims of domestic abuse, are you going to relentlessly mock me?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:07 PM
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Pure, unrelenting, merciless mockery. Sounds like shit-testing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:06 PM
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that’s because it is
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 04:59 PM
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no
/r/MensRights04/12/24 09:18 PM
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Letting millions of illegals into the country and not deporting them when they commit crimes, and instead giving them free healthcare and shelter, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 12:09 AM
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Wait till the feminist protestors show up... Anyways, this is a great step in supporting male survivors of domestic violence.
/r/MensRights18/11/24 08:17 PM
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Studies show that fraternities are beneficial to men's mental health. So why do so many people hate fraternities? You just answered your question before you even asked it.
/r/MensRights18/11/24 04:26 PM
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Democrat-run cities don't care about men, and their police officers would rather shoot innocent men than criminals, especially women.
/r/MensRights18/11/24 04:18 PM
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Back to your original comment: You claimed that the most influential model of domestic violence used by police departments is a “fringe feminist belief”. You do not sound informed on anything feminist related, maybe you can enlighten yourself and read the stuff feminists don’t want you to see.
/r/MensRights18/11/24 03:48 PM
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typical woke BS
/r/MensRights18/11/24 03:25 PM
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It’s much closer to it than legacy media or radical feminism
/r/MensRights18/11/24 03:23 PM
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(Not the person you replied to) Two possibilities: * They do know, and they're pretending it's not the official feminist position. * They don't know, and they're calling themselves feminists without knowing the reality of their movement. Both reflect badly on them.
/r/MensRights18/11/24 03:40 AM
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Respectfully, you're a moron. Go to X/Twitter, follow MRA accounts and see the truth, then (if you are a US citizen) vote Republican next election cycle.
/r/MensRights18/11/24 03:31 AM
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Those aren’t feminists I bet they aren't Scotsmen either
/r/MensRights18/11/24 03:30 AM
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Strippers Sex Workers / OF models Feminists Drug Addicts Fat Women Queers Sluts All off limits for dating
/r/MensRights09/08/24 12:26 PM
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I don’t recognize trans men as men, but their experiences “living as men” are a great learning opportunity to understand the differences in how different genders are treated.
/r/MensRights20/07/24 08:54 PM
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Trans men aren’t men at all
/r/MensRights20/07/24 08:53 PM
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Lock her up
/r/MensRights20/07/24 08:47 PM
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Why can’t Democrats leave Title IX alone? Just recently Sleepy Joe also used Title IX to force trans “women” into women’s sports is just pure insanity and destroys what Title IX was originally meant to protect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/24 03:00 AM
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Then write "feminist" in front of "narrative". Learn to commmunicate clearly
/r/MensRights26/06/24 10:13 PM
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Make it clearer, genius
/r/MensRights26/06/24 09:52 PM
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the fact that you’d bring up “patriarchy” in a context where it’s irrelevant domestic violence against men isn’t taken seriously because feminists worked to convince the public that it didn’t exist and doesn’t deserve attention, not because of some mythical “patriarchy”
/r/MensRights26/06/24 08:06 PM
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because Democrats hate America
/r/MensRights26/06/24 07:41 PM
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patriarchal opinion discarded, brain not found
/r/MensRights26/06/24 07:34 PM
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Both TERFs and mainstream feminists hate men. TERFs just don’t exclude biologically male trans women from their hatred.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/24 02:46 AM
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Do you trust random people behind a computer screen or do you trust people who are actually petitioning and protesting to be more representative of feminism today?
/r/MensRights05/06/24 06:04 PM
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Anything that hurts men is a gain for feminism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 07:19 PM
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“Far right” 20 years ago = white supremacist misogynists who want gay people hanged “Far right” today = people who don’t hate men or white people
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 01:43 PM
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It’s amazing how much in common there is between feminist ideology and patriarchal ideology.
/r/MensRights30/05/24 03:11 AM
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Yes, society views men as “in control” of anything that happens to them, while women are helpless victims. Unfortunately, feminism still clings to this mindset and frames sexual assault as an exclusively women’s issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 11:30 AM
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Replace every male government official with a woman, and literally nothing would change regarding to the draft. btw Finland has a female PM but still has a male-only draft
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 12:42 PM
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In practice, arranged marriages are forced marriages
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:50 PM
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“As you can see by this graph, from precisely 11:34 to 11:36, her consent level fell slightly below the threshold for enthusiastic consent. Therefore, the man is guilty of rape!”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/24 12:09 PM
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The Left hates men. They need to promote the narrative that women are oppressed and men are privileged. So acknowledging men’s issues goes against that narrative. So the Left ignores men’s issues. Then a bunch of internet personalities like Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate come along and say the things that young men want to hear, whether they’re serious about it or not. Rather than offering a better alternative, they throw insults at the men who watch their content.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/24 11:54 AM
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How is telling abused men to name their abusers against egalitarian values?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/24 10:51 AM
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Men should open up and start accusing women of SA and r*pe, then people will start caring about false accusations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/24 12:59 AM
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No men’s shelter, but let the illegals live in hotels for free. NYC logic
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/24 08:05 PM
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Yeah, and feminism is full of women blaming men for all the world's problems. You *cannot* have an even remotely productive dialogue on men's issues if you aren't allowed to criticize actions and statements from women or the feminist movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/24 06:49 PM
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In that case, why should feminism be more "acceptable" than any men's movement?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/24 06:49 PM
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Feminists (the radical left in general) are against any activism that they do not have complete control over
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/24 06:43 PM
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Feminism has never considered men's issues as serious. That's why anyone who brings them up is immediately labeled a misogynist. You'll never see a feminist support construction or operation of men's domestic violence shelters/helplines. You'll never see a feminist promote body positivity for short men. You'll never see a feminist raise awareness of sexual harassment against men in the workplace.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/24 06:41 PM
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Whatever women prefer in men is, by definition, “masculine”
/r/MensRights07/03/24 03:23 PM
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No, unless you are part of their ethnicity and religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 08:38 PM
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Reality doesn’t care about your feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 03:21 PM
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because help is available for women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 03:12 PM
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I asked this question on askfeminists, they basically said don’t approach women
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/23 02:20 PM
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Ok? We’re talking about women’s actions in this thread, stop derailing
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:18 PM
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How about changing the sexual culture that determines a man’s value based on how much sex he has with women? You cannot make women more willing to sex, they, and men, have the right to refuse sex for any reason.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/23 03:05 AM
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And what is the solution?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/23 12:44 AM
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because that was the most effective solution. Are you more worried about gender segregation in public transit or the harassment? I ain’t no feminist, but damn, y’all are getting worked up about the wrong crap.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/23 12:25 AM
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Ok, are any of those commenters using the issue of sexual harassment by men to “take away” anything from men? Women who complain about sexual harassment from men, are almost always women who’ve experienced it, and just want it to stop. White supremacists are hardly ever victims of crime committed by black or LGBT people, and just want to make those people’s lives harder.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/23 09:58 PM
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public transit is the worst place to “shoot your shot”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/23 09:49 PM
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“Hey, these women are complaining about feeling unsafe in public! How do I make this into a men’s issue, while offering no discussion points or not even explaining why I feel the way I feel?” - you
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/23 08:13 PM
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Then stop lying, manipulating, virtue signaling, and being delusional snowflakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 11:37 PM
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Exactly, if men stopped being horny, women would lose all their power over men. They have to earn attention like men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 11:29 PM
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You have to call it “toxic masculinity”. The difference in terminology allows them to blame the issue on men, rather than society as a whole (including feminists themselves).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/23 04:05 PM
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When MRAs spend more time complaining why feminists aren’t discussing a certain men’s issue, rather than discussing the issue themselves, that’s going to attract the anti-feminist misogynist types. Eventually those types end up dominating.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/23 01:11 PM
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yes, domestic abuse is primarily about power. Same goes for men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/23 01:05 PM
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Just another way of demonizing men. For men, romance is work that women demand. Ain’t nothing fun about that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/23 12:03 PM
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How often do men leave after their partner gets fired?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:01 PM
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so what made you love him?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:59 PM
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Respectfully, you got it backwards. It’s feminists who see men’s DV centers as problematic and a threat of women’s DV centers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:53 PM
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That’s literally what I just said! Denying the existence of certain issues isn’t the same as not addressing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:47 PM
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Men are screwed either way
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:21 AM
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Progressives like tradition when they benefit from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:20 AM
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That part is the opinion of the commenter. I want to convince myself that the family courts are fair, but I’m just not seeing any good evidence suggesting that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:07 AM
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Then male privilege must exist alongside female privilege, since women also have opportunities that men do not. So why do feminists refuse to acknowledge that? Only reason I could think of that feminists themselves think men have easier lives. What I said disproves the narrative that men don’t need their own movement to address the ways that societal gender norms affect men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:59 AM
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Bruh, that excerpt is literally what I said. If you can acknowledge that gender bias exists everywhere, why would it not exist in the courts?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:33 AM
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Men don’t usually fight for custody because they know they are going to lose and waste thousands of dollars that would have been spent on child support anyway. The men who do fight it only do so if they know for sure they’ll win e.g. if mom’s a drug addict, and even that might not work. Basically men have to fight for custody, while women do not. Men pay alimony because women don’t marry men who make less.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:24 AM
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Except men aren’t automatically believed when they tell lies
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:05 AM
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Look at the custody stats, alimony stats, men suffer financially from divorce, women do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:03 AM
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How about feminists saying that men are privileged because of their gender and that becoming societal dogma, while the facts of male homelessness, suicide, prison population, clearly indicate that reality is more complicated than “male privileged, female oppressed”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:02 AM
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If male gender roles are defined on the idea that men must be different from women, because women are perceived as “weak” or “lesser than”, then that’s misogyny. When men are punished for violating those gender roles, that’s misandry. I’m not going to defend feminist’s refusal to use the term “misandry”, because I think misandry is real. But claiming that misandry cannot be tied to misogyny or vice-versa, is also flawed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/23 05:04 PM
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like… $100 a month? Because that’s what OF women make on average from OF
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 04:46 PM
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Yet people in general don’t care.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 04:42 PM
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Misogyny can also be defined as hating or looking down on anything associated with women. Of course, I’d still say it was misandry. But people can be misandrist for misogynistic reasons.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/23 04:40 PM
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It can be both. Misogyny and misandry aren’t two completely separate things.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/23 04:35 PM
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I’ve asked many questions there. I just get basic superficial talking points
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/23 11:58 AM
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No jurisdiction defines porn based on how easily someone gets an erection. This is a very political topic, especially in red states like Florida
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/23 11:55 AM
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We can have this conversation once people agree on what is and isn’t pornography. Are beach bikini photos porn? Are gay romance books/movies porn? Is sex-ed porn? Is fully-clothed drag porn? Is the David statue porn?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/23 02:24 AM
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The only way to end this policy (if it passes) is for men to start making accusations, whether true or false
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/23 12:14 AM
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Plenty of men making $50K get married. Even jobless drug-addicted men get girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 01:58 PM
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less demand
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/11/23 12:23 AM
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Whether there is a biological component to modern gender roles is never a justification for socially enforced barriers or sexism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/23 05:17 PM
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The Duluth Model is the main example. Feminists mainly enforce gender stereotypes (i.e. what men are) rather than roles (i.e. what men should do with their lives). But I think trad-cons are worse since they do every bad thing feminists do plus a whole lot. more
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/23 05:15 PM
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Define “looking good”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/23 05:12 PM
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Do you buy the “women are from Venus, men are from Mars” dogma? I said gender roles are socially constructed. Nursing and teaching only became women’s job in the past 100 years. The restraint on male emotional expression is also relatively recent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/23 05:06 PM
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What is “weird” to you is determined by your upbringing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/23 02:26 PM
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Burn them in a fire. You can’t call yourself a men’s advocate and still uphold the gender roles that created men’s issues. Some are just outright silly and have no biological or historical basis like * pink for girls and blue for boys * skirts/pants for women, but only pants for men * men not being allowed to express emotions besides anger * nursing and teaching being “women’s” professions * chilcare being the primarily the mother’s duty People fundamentally are individuals, and should be valued…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/23 02:21 PM
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Everyone knows the current state of society. But using a specific term makes a lot of difference. Calling it “patriarchy” (which isn’t entirely wrong) instead of an “oligarchy” lets you draw a different conclusion on who the privileged ones are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/10/23 04:52 PM
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The folks over at 2x would tell you girls being seen as weaker/more innocent and less deserving of beatings is a consequence of patriarchy. What a load of bull.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/10/23 12:16 AM
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right, they’re not caused exclusively by women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 04:53 PM
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Touch grass, don’t smoke it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/23 03:18 PM
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3rd world countries e.g. India have even worse discrimination against men, where the law explicitly states men cannot be sexually assaulted or raped, and that women, and only women, may receive spousal support after a divorce. Passport won’t save you.
/r/MensRights17/08/23 11:36 PM
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Agreed, focusing on the fact that people in general are poor rather than one gender being poorer than the other helps everyone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/23 03:41 PM
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This is u/savethebros, the OP of the original thread. That was a post that I spent quite a bit writing. I was informed by the mods of menslib that the post was removed because it read more like a biography than a critique of an issue. The mods did give a list of subs to post this in, and were supportive of what was in the post, and supportive of my decision to post it on bropill. Now, the decision to “yeet” some comments or lock the post wasn’t mine. I don’t hate MRAs, since I understand their f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 02:28 PM
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