Mediocre or average men benefit most from strictly enforced monogamy in a way inherently contrary to the interests of women who would prefer not to be bound to one man from a limited range of men close to them in genetic quality, especially if they themselves are genetically average and have at least sexual access to much more attractive men when liberated.
I can understand the woman’s perspective. Tbh, alpha fux, beta bux sounds great if you’re a woman. I cannot blame or rationalize any personal hatred towards women for wanting and taking advantage of this situation.
What I don’t understand is why should I as an average man promote and not actively oppose women’s lib if all it does for me is harm my chances at participation in relationships and sex, lend disproportionate leverage to any partner I get, and increase the chances I’ve been penis-mogged or looks-mogged by one of her previous partners. Some people say the repression of women is motivated by men’s fear and insecurity. I agree but fail to see how my insecurity is unjustified.
There are a few possible responses I can anticipate:
Freedom and rights:
The western concept of freedom and rights is a pure idealization of human potential. Rights are and always have been privileges administered by a government strong enough to enforce them. It it nice to live in certain countries where the elites are coordinated and smart enough to monopolize corruption and ensure certain rights for people in general, but the second you meaningfully oppose one of THEM it will become very apparent just how “ alienable” your rights are. Rights serve a purpose and idk what I gain from promoting them for women.
Morality:
There’s no objective morality we can secularly derive. The closest thing I can conceive to objective morality is a commonly shared utilitarian desire to not unnecessarily harm people or animals, in which case I perceive preventing most men from having fulfilling relationships and families with women is doing more harm to men and children than the abuse monogamous patriarchy permits and the lost opportunities to have sex with Chad for most women under a monogamous, male- dominated system, but let’s be honest, there is ultimately no such thing as the “common good”, and in politics exploitation and subjugation are the ultimate goal or at least the necessary perquisite for ensuring the wellbeing of yourself and the people you care about, so why would I willingly cede power to women when their interests and goals run so contrary to mine if it can be avoided?
Women are liberated and there’s nothing you can do about it, incel:
It’s very possible I can’t do anything about it, but I’m asking what reason I have to support it and not oppose it if the opportunity arises? Also, I’m not an incel. I am and have always been a normie (ie almost all access to sex from within a relationship but able to get into relationships since I was 18) and furthermore don’t understand the need for personal attacks when I don’t wish to promote hatred. I hope there is some room for reconciliation between men and women and resent modernity and capitalism for reducing every interaction into a superficial, shortsighted transaction where I have to think like this. So please, I am actually hoping someone can give me a good reason to not politically oppose women’s interest to this extreme degree.
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