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Question For Womenwtknight/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 02:09 PM
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It’s the idea of variety and trying new things out, including new women. Think of it like a food buffet. Do you always only want to eat the same food at a buffet? Don’t you want to try new foods sometimes, even if you don’t “love” those foods? Men can afford to think this way because they don’t get pregnant like women do. I would venture to guess that even trans men don’t think this way due to the still possible danger of pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:03 PM
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I don’t think that it’s completely contradictory to what things to be fairer but also want to be with someone who has ambitious goals. The ambition in a man is kind of a biological marker that he will try to provide well for their offspring, but one doesn’t need to have a grossly unequal capitalist system to desire that. A lot of progressives only want a few important things socialized, such as health care.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:58 PM
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it’s really my main argument here to prove age gaps are biologically optimal You say “psychologically optimal” in your title. They aren’t psychologically optimal for a young woman unless that young woman is very poor, and most western young women are not very poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:51 PM
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Sure. This is what male family members should help to prevent, and why it might not be a good idea to let young women live single, by themselves, and on their own. You can say that this restricts women's freedoms. But if you are arguing that some men are not going to change and are not going to abide by restraining orders, then what is the alternative?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:55 AM
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I agree that it is harassment. Some sales pitches are also persistent on a daily basis, though. But if one eventually says yes to an ad that one sees many times, then one did not buy something "under duress". This kind of thing is people trying to avoid responsibility for their own decisions and is one of the biggest problems that I have with the thinking of today's younger generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:49 AM
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Women aren't into men even if they are not scary if said men do not act confidently towards them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:43 AM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:38 AM
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I always used chatrooms, and preferred developing bonds in chatrooms. I'd probably be using Discord today if I were young and trying to date and not Tinder or Hinge.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:32 AM
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I don’t think so. Every rejected women I’ve known, including a few that I rejected, took no for an answer easily and just got mopey for a bit before recovering. I’ve never heard of a woman getting overly persistent or overly angry about being rejected like I’ve seen some men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:52 PM
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So if the man sent you a text advertising himself and asking for sex like how companies send out ads to be viewed asking you to buy their product then it would be okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:55 PM
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This is just “treat all guns as loaded” philosophy and is no different from thinking that every man has the potential to be violent or to be a rapist. Someone who has a problem with one perspective should always have a problem with the other. And even thinking “many or most” women is likely no different than thinking the same thing about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:52 PM
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Women possibly caving in to men who ask for sex a lot and then not taking responsibility for their actions is gross to me. I don’t like women who enjoy trying to make themselves into victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:13 PM
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If a company shows you the same ad on television everyday and you eventually buy the product, then did you buy the product under duress?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:02 PM
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Sure. Men shouldn’t be pestering women asking for sex everyday. I even think that it’s grounds for a restraining order if it happens too often. I just don’t think that it’s “rape” if she eventually gives in and says yes. As humans, we need to be responsible for our actions and held responsible for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:59 PM
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There is a law that allows me to block television ads that I’m tired of seeing? I had no idea about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:55 PM
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Post removed. Only one post allowed per user every 12 hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:53 PM
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Because we live in an adult world. Companies send people ads or make consistent sales pitches all the time. If I eventually buy their product, it is irresponsible of me to say that I did not “consent” to buy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:46 PM
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It seems to me that the things on your list promote attachment rather than independence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:44 PM
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Urbanization means more dating options, which is good for choosy people who don’t like the fewer options in smaller places. There is certainly a cultural mismatch that some people experience living I. A small town.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:42 PM
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I kind of like it when women are good at something that I’m not as good at. However, from past experience women don’t seem to look highly upon men like this due to female sexual hypergamy. Women seem to like men who are at least as good at something as they already are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:40 PM
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Isn’t this just how to create a “mama’s boy”? Men who are too attached to their mothers are usually not attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:16 PM
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I don’t think that it’s because they are weird about it as much as men are just less social and socially skilled than they were in the past. And for the men who are socially skilled, online women are more aware of the “games” that men play due to private conversations that men previously had with each other now being had online anonymously where all women can see them. Women can form their own social groups online to talk about how terrible men all are-groups much larger and influential in the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:13 PM
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I think that there is a difference between making someone attracted to something that he or she is not attracted to at all compared to telling that person that perhaps some ''icks" are not as really big of a deal as they think that they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:36 AM
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Probably for some people. I think that some therapists could talk people into being realistic about their standards, or to give people whom they might not normally give a chance a romantic chance a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:34 AM
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It's not "gaming" the question if it's what a lot of men really think.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:14 PM
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Manga is gender-coded in Japan and the companies can basically ignore what the other gender thinks of the genre. In addition, the Japanese certainly don't care much what non-Japanese people think about their genres. They make their media for themselves, not for woke westerners. It's only in the west, where companies are so greedy that they try to appeal to both genders at once, where things like "objectification" become an issue. Frankly, I think that western companies should become more like Ja…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:12 PM
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You got an answer. If you don't like it, then maybe your question is poorly written.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:43 PM
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Was it nine times in a row on the same day, or nine times on nine separate days? There is a stronger argument to be made that the first example is coercion and non-consensual. In the second example, she probably needs to be an adult, use the legal system, and just get a restraining order if she is not interested in the guy and feels like she is being harassed and stalked, or talk to HR if it is happening at her job.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:37 PM
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Well, this is kind of the life that women chose when given a choice. Western women still complain a lot about western men, of course. But whenever some woman from some developing country mentions how life is like in her country, western women are always talking about how much better life is in the west for them in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:34 PM
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I was chatting with multiple women online at the time I met my now long-time wife. The other women had jobs, while my wife was unemployed at that time. She was simply online more often when I was not working, so I developed a stronger rapport with her than I did with the other women. So yeah, the fact that "she was there" played a big part in me choosing her and us ending up together and eventually married, as all of the women whom I was chatting with seemed like pretty nice people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:28 PM
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Most western men don't think that it is something to be ashamed of. Women, on the other hands, often have reservations about having it. This is why men try to find subtle ways to seduce women into having sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:36 PM
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By some radical feminists, sure. Liberal choice feminists are usually fine with women doing whatever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:07 PM
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Sure. Many men think that some other men are the problem. Those individual men just do not want to be grouped in with those men, because they think that they are not part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:03 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:52 PM
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No personal attacks
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:51 PM
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Be civil.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:46 PM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:39 PM
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Replies to Debate posts must challenge the OP's view.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:01 PM
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Corporations don't have an "end game". They are trying to make the most money they can in the short-term. This means having more labor in the labor force (meaning, more women) so that there is more competition for jobs so that they can pay labor less. Corporations also, in general, try to pay women less than they pay men too, which is why there is often still a wage gap despite women often having the same prestigious jobs that men do. Men are usually much more assertive about demanding fair wage…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:43 PM
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Women who do make moves often make moves towards men who are significantly above their league. Men can do much better when they have the courage to make the first move themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:55 PM
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Older women always seem more demanding and often get annoyed easier because they have put up with more crap from men (crap judged from their perspective, at least) and have more baggage. Younger women are more difficult to actually attract, but are often much nicer and less demanding than older women if one can manage to actually attract them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:56 PM
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Sure. Being able to survive as a single woman means that women can be more demanding. I do believe in sexual hypergamy. I am not sure that the standards have increased when it comes to basic attraction when a woman first meets a man, but when it comes to what a woman will put up with when man does not behave how she wants, I do believe that he might have to be better looking or more charismatic in order for her to make the decision not to leave him and just live on her own.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:54 PM
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I am not sure why it doesn't. Why are women so afraid of men when they encounter them in dangerous situations in real life, then, such as in an empty parking lot at nighttime? Men certainly aren't afraid of encountering a woman in a similar situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:47 PM
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Humans are indeed animals. They are Homo sapiens, and subject to the same evolutionary principles as other animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:46 PM
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I'm not sure how much someone who is in full adulting mode and someone who is still navigating through young adulthood have in common. I personally don't think 35 and 24 is an issue, since a 24 year old is usually living a full adult life. But 30 year old men pursuing 18 or 19 year old women seems strange to me. I'm not against it, because I am in full sort of adults making their own decisions, but I hardly think that it is some kind of "normal" relationship. The "power differential" argument ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:42 PM
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Sure. We should be better than our biology, but a lot of "base" behaviors such as dating behaviors that seem to be prevalent cross-culturally (such as men pursuing and women being the choosers) likely come back to biology just because they are very common in cultures that are completely unrelated to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:53 AM
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Sure, that is the law of nature. Civilization is actually pretty fragile. If enough people of either gender or some particular ideology are unhappy, things can get bad quickly. It is most men's ability to follow laws at least to a certain extent that keeps everything from unraveling like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:46 AM
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Related to this, though, is that with each successive generation of men, men are doing gradually more and more housework. This doesn't end up benefiting said men, though, as Western divorce rates continue to rise, and reasons for divorce initiated by women shifted from 'he doesn't do housework/ support me' to 'he doesn't emotionally support me' Yes, I think that the issue is that women have very quickly taken up the burden of doing full-time 40+ high-income, white-collar work due to rapidly expa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:40 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:34 AM
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No personal attacks
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:31 PM
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I don't like women who act overly aggressive like men do. I don't like men who act overly aggressive either, but I am not romantically interested in men, so it's easier to try to just avoid men like that, and it's more understandable why men do act like that, since it's their traditional gender role.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:27 PM
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Yes. I have only been in three, and I married two of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:53 PM
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The outdoor work and repairs is not as much of a consistent labor, though, which is why the traditional husband still found time to do these things even while working 40+ hours a week, while the housewife did all of the domestic work. The problem is, most women do not want to be housewives anymore, and they are expecting men to be both traditional men and part-time househusbands. It’s not a role that men have traditionally had to fill. So when men overtly, covertly, or unconsciously rebel, the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:52 PM
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I was hoping to eventually get to that point as long as I continued liking her, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:47 PM
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Largely because mostly men are policing other men so that it no longer is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:41 PM
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I genuinely want someone to explain this to me without falling back on evo psych just so stories. Evolutionary behavior of animals, a category that humans are also belong to, is not a just-so story. Many people believe in evolutionary principles for other animals. Are you a creationist?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:37 PM
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what women already bring to the table If she is a woman with any value, then she will do some chores, be pleasant to be around, have interesting conversations, enjoy going on outings, and, yes, be enthusiastic in the bedroom. I’ve never dated a woman who didn’t fulfill all of these requirements, although I am sure that some who don’t are out there. what do you wish women start to bring to the table Most western women, and especially American women, act too much like men. So what I wish more wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:54 PM
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Removed. No posts about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:02 PM
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No personal attacks
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:19 AM
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No racially charged comments
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:17 AM
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Do not circlejerk in Debate posts
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:13 AM
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Either demand is increasing a lot, or supply is decreasing a lot. It is simple economics, and it's likely both are probably happening, as there are more desperate men and fewer women who need or want to have extra money.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:53 AM
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The bar is low for men if they act like women. Unfortunately for many men, they have been raised in cultures where they are raised to be like traditional men, where having a job, doing outdoor chores, and perhaps making small repairs, is the important male bar to clear, while doing domestic indoor chores and helping with child care is not as much of an important bar to clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:51 AM
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An average woman can’t have casual sex with a high value man and expect an average man whom she makes wait for sex to be happy with that. Why would he be? Women just need to treat all men whom they want to be potentially intimate with the same. The problem is average young women putting high value men on a pedestal and then taking advantage of the sexual freedoms that feminism has given them, not men putting women in a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:56 PM
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Gender fluidity is not cultural. Trying to destroy it is. My point is that some things, such as men trying to find a variety of partners while women trying to find the best one partner, are likely biological in nature due to their high prevalence cross-culturally. There are also biological explanations for behaviors like this that make a lot of sense and can be seen in many other animal species.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:47 PM
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One can also find hunter-gatherers behaving in very similar ways to more sedentary, supposedly connected cultures. Saying that indigenous American cultures, for instance, are very similar to continental European cultures seems very silly to me. Just the diversity in languages shows how much cultures change over time when they are separated. Yet, I am supposed to believe that highly disparate cultures managed to retain some of the exact same sexual behaviors over time due to only culture?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:41 PM
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A relationship isn’t some kind of contract. I personally don’t like the idea of dating without the eventual intention of something permanent, but I can see how some men don’t consider it “deceptive”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:31 PM
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If you would like to challenge the warning, please take it to Mod Mail.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:26 PM
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I didn’t hang around these men much, but groups of men do talk about certain things when women aren’t around compared to when they are around. My wife has similar stories regarding groups of women who were not her friends but whom she was acquainted with, so I know that it’s not just a male thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:25 PM
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That’s not what alpha means the way Red Pill defines it. Alpha is the capability to have sex with women easily because those women are viscerally attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:23 PM
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If every disconnected culture across the entire planet behaves the same way, then it would be very coincidental that they all just happened to develop the same cultural behaviors. It is more faith-like and less scientific to think that they would.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:22 PM
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Men that get casual sex may be more attractive but that is about it in terms of what features they have that are "better" This is precisely what makes them “alphas”. Men who aren’t as attractive for casual sex but who can attract women long-term through mostly a display of emotional commitment are “betas”. Note that a pure beta often has to wait for sex. While provision of resources is not as important as in the past since many women are better off financially, it is still sometimes important, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 11:12 AM
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But men prefer to not wait for sex. Why put off pleasure? And if the man likes the woman enough after that immediate sex, then he will stick around try to make it into a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:25 PM
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Most men do not think that waiting for sex is better than not waiting for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:24 PM
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Then women should understand why this bothers some men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:23 PM
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I did not say that I find the men disgusting, just their attitude towards women in this particular situation. Most men like to hang out with other men even if they do not agree with every single way that given way choose to live their lives, and ratting out the things that one does not like about certain men is not a good way to ensure future male friends. Instead, men try to give each other advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:23 PM
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Men don't usually do that. That’s kind of breaking an informal code. It’s a good way to get ostracized at best, beat up at worst (although the guys I hung out with didn’t do the latter kind of thing).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:46 PM
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Because guys talk to each other and say things to other guys, the same as women often do, or at least guys did back when I was young.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:45 PM
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Women not being sympathetic with male issues is just as bad as when men are not sympathetic with women’s issues, in my opinion. If women aren’t going to be sympathetic to men’s issues, then they can’t expect men to be sympathetic to theirs, which is often why they are not, these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:03 PM
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I personally would not have a problem with a woman getting “burned” once by having immediate sex with a man in the past. What men usually have a problem with is when a formerly promiscuous woman is now making him wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:02 PM
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Cross-cultural surveys by evolutionary psychologists have shown that women prioritize different traits when it comes to short-term sexual partnerships compared to long-term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:58 PM
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Yes they are by definition of the Red Pill definition of it, as they are getting sex purely out of sexual attraction rather than through some form of long term, “beta” promise of emotional support.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:57 PM
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No. I knew guys who did this before, or guys who knew beforehand that their first girlfriend was a “starter girlfriend”. I always thought that it was disgusting and usually subtly told these guys so, in which case these guys subtly told me to mind my own business. Social shaming doesn’t seem to work as well when men do it to each other as when women do it to each other. Usually only challenging a man’s masculinity works.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:54 PM
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And why do you think that it would not bother the typical man when he has to wait for sex, but “Chad Thundercock” did not have to in some club restroom right after meeting said woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:19 PM
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Why are you laughing? AF/BB is Red Pill 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:17 PM
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Yes, it is. Especially Google Gemini. “While age-gap relationships dominate social media, data shows large age gaps are actually becoming less common.”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:15 PM
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Women should be making every man wait, and men should be patient that with every woman that is making him wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:10 PM
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Responses like these are what makes me think that many women don’t really like men. Women who have no empathy towards possible male insecurities should probably either just date other women or become asexual, as that is probably their actual sexuality to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:09 PM
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If you would like to challenge the warning, then please take it to Mod Mail.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:06 PM
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This is because relationship is a long-term, productive goal and sex is a short-term, hedonistic goal. Of course, women do sometimes want just sex, but a man disguising his intentions when he only wants sex is what is bad. Women want the men who only want sex to be completely upfront about it, because when they are not, then it basically amounts to manipulation because it pretending to want a friendship or a relationship just to get sex is much worse in women’s minds than pretending to only want…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:05 PM
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Removed. No internal questions (men asking men or women asking women).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:32 AM
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Post removed due to OP abandonment
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:23 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:17 AM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:14 AM
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If a young man can be just as hurt by another young person too, then just make sex before some kind of state sanctioned declaration of adulthood illegal then. If we want to make 25 year olds “adult” enough to choose to have sex with an older person, then just make sex between two 24-year olds illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:30 PM
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Yeah, of course. But there’s a chance that the guy is still going to stealth or get too rough. And even if he doesn’t there is a good chance that she won’t orgasm. Casual sex was one of feminism’s dumber ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:26 PM
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I’m glad that more younger women are into relationship sex, although it becomes a problem when a woman has a casual sex past. This makes “relationship guy” think that the casual sex guys were more “alpha” than him. Older relatives should be discouraging young women from ever having casual sex for precisely this reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:24 PM
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Men don’t prefer ambitious women. Most men want hot women with nice personalities. They usually don’t place a lot of importance in her job and her ambition as long as it’s not one that is going to embarrass him among his peers in the particular social class that he is in.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:20 PM
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That doesn’t bother me. There are plenty of poor women in the world who still need men for what has historically been their best uses, which is their earning power, and their ability to protect women from the environment and from predation. In fact, western women probably still need men for the latter uses, but the system has been built so that men still have an incentive to cooperate in women’s protection. This may not always be the case, though, in which case those women who have male partners…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:15 PM
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Why? They like young bodies and young personalities, and these people are deemed by society to be adults. My point is that we are not deeming certain people as adults, then why don’t we start making it illegal for them to have sex at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:10 PM
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Age gap relationships are on the rise? What is the source for these data?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:07 PM
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Sure. Casual sex is gross and dumb and was advanced as a misguided supposed “freedom” for women. But the women who aren’t attracted to men should just stop lying to themselves about being heterosexual too, because a lot of the rhetoric against men makes it seem like some of them aren’t attracted to men at all. By no means do I think that all women aren’t attracted to men, but I get sick of reading the complaints of supposedly heterosexual or bisexual women who don’t seem to be attracted to anyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:03 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:20 PM
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This is why more young women listen to music from other women and want to see movies starring women and decentering men. They don’t need anymore since they are becoming more educated and wealthy, so they get to start dictating the culture and the acceptable behaviors now.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:03 PM
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These posts happen all the time. 75% of people will usually say “it’s legal but creepy”. The other 25% say that it’s terrible that this happens. Manosphere usually get upset at the 25%, but still don’t like that the other 75% think that the practice means that the guy is kind of creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:58 PM
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You're expecting a person in the first 25% of their life to fully understand and know what they sre getting in But it’s just sex, and a young adult is just as likely to have a bad sexual experience with a young adult their own age. Yet, I don’t see anyone saying that young adults should be completely banned from having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:52 PM
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The debate is that the minds of these young adults are still too young. Child marriage was the past, not the future, which makes it different from homosexual marriage or interracial marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:49 PM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:14 AM
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No personal attacks
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:11 AM
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Biologically it is, although I do think that women need to realize that they are only going to be able to attract men in their league, and that the men in their league probably are not going to like it if some higher league man had casual sex with her, but that she is making him wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:02 AM
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A lot of men don't believe that they really can improve themselves much, or enough to attract women, at least. It is kind of like taking something on faith for men to believe women that less attractive men can improve themselves enough to be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:00 AM
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What I am saying is that women should recognize that men did not have this same challenge in the past. I am not saying that women need to change. It is men who need to adapt, but women should recognize that men in the past often did not have to behave in ways that they are being asked to behave now, so this is something that is new for many of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:05 PM
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I am not sure why you think that. If you want to argue the warning, then you will need to take it to Mod Mail.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:03 PM
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Well, if it works out for her, then of course they are wrong. It is generally accepted that older people have more wisdom than younger people, though, and that friends who are looking at things impartially might have insights that the person who is clouded at the time by emotions or lust might not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:01 PM
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Even women with means are going to prefer partners who make her hypothetical offpsring's life potentially better, I think. It is why women tend to prefer men who have ambition rather than some guy who is just a nice slacker.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:58 PM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:51 PM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:50 PM
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The problem is that all men needed in the past was a decent job in order to bring value to a woman. Now that many women earn good money on their own, they need to bring more value than that, and many men struggle with that. Just being "decent people" alone usually isn't enough. Men who are friendly with women often just become friends. This new western order when it comes to relationships has frustrated many men who do not want to put in the extra work that previous generations did not, and perh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:48 PM
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Sure, women may have exploited hypergamy more when these conditions happened, but I don't think that that means that this is the origin of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:50 AM
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I believe that it says that men make value for themselves, but that female attraction naturally comes when men do become valuable for themselves. In that sense, it was meant to distinguish itself from pick up artistry, which was all about "tricks" to attract women and did precisely define value by how often those tricks worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:42 AM
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Yeah, but just being around women usually gives men more confidence to make the kind of conversation that eventually will attract women, even if those friend women at the time have no interest in that man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:40 AM
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Huh? There were not really that many men who were just completely asocial in a way where they did not come into regular contact with women when I was young pre-internet and pre-social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:39 AM
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Sure. Families can sometimes be wrong. But when the people whom a person is closest to are telling someone to do one thing, but then that person does the opposite and it backfires on them, that is when it is most appropriate to say "told you so" (hopefully in a sensitive way), even if it has nothing to do with relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:37 AM
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It is why women become more attracted to men with other masculine traits in societies that have more gender income equality. This is hinted at by studies that have been done in Nordic countries. I mean, it makes logical sense for women to be attracted to something masculine about a man, even if it no longer has to be resources. If they were not, then they would just hang out with their female friends, which the women who are disillusioned completely with all men often do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:35 AM
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Men don't get offended when mid women are attracted to highly attractive men. Men get offended when mid women believe that they are entitled to relationships with men who are much more attractive than them. Okay, that is a fine distinction. Of course I meant when women act upon the attraction, which sexually emancipated western women often do these days, rather than just being attracted in their brains to men who are more attractive than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:32 AM
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Hypergamy as defined by the Red Pill is sexual hypergamy. Anything that a woman defines as "better", whether it is status or fitness that makes her select better men, falls under the umbrella, I believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:31 AM
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Yes, this is a good point. As long as there were groups of "other" tribes that men can take things from, women and their offspring benefitted by being with those men who were able to take those things from those men and thus to provide more resources for their children. I kind of disagree that feminism encourages this dynamic. If anything, it makes women more likely to look for men who will share in domestic duties, as women are able to earn more money themselves under feminism rather than only …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:30 AM
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A stronger or faster man could still better protect a woman from both animal predators and other men even before agriculture. A better looking man still had the signs of health and virility that less attractive men do not. Women were likely not formerly attracted to weak, inferior men and only became attracted to "better" men once men got patriarchic power.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:38 AM
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However, we don't have good grounds for thinking that women are BIOLOGICALLY hypergamous whereas men are not in the human species, this is a much more tenuous conclusion. We do have good grounds for thinking that women sexually select for "something", as sexual selection is well known in evolutionary science. It would also make biological sense for women to prefer to select for the men who have the greatest amount of that "something", as that would imply that that man's traits and genes are more…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:02 PM
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What evolutionary psychologists do do is look at traits across many diverse cultures and see if the same ones are present across cultures. When cultures with vastly different origins and vastly different geographies have similar behaviors when it comes to things like sexual choices, then it is much safer to say infer that these traits come from our biology rather than from culture or from genetic drift in one particular population, even though it can never be "proven", of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:58 PM
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Maybe when a lot of friends and family are telling her that the guy is bad news, but she chooses him or stays with him anyways, and eventually gets mistreated. It is probably not appropriate when the man starts acting in a way that most of the trusted people around her did not expect him to act.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:08 PM
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Men get offended when mid women are attracted to men who are much more attractive than them. They think these women are being delusional at their chances of actually attracting these men beyond anything that is sexual. And if they do only want them for something that is sexual, then they feel inadequate when these women eventually "settle" with them for relationships, especially if these women make these relationship men wait for sex when the more attractive men had casual sex right away.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:06 PM
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The false accusation rate is really pretty low, and I know men who do fine in traditionally feminine occupations like nursing. I don't know many men who have been falsely accused, but I know many women who have been harmed by men in some way. I don't think that the harm levels overall really compare.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:14 PM
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Yeah, the online option only being mentored by toxic men is kind of a big problem. In the past, men really could not help but be around other women when they had a normal social life. The only kind of men who weren't associating with women at all were the very few that were into a hobby like Warhammer 40k, perhaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:10 PM
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Sure. I think that that is because male sexuality is inherently predatory in some way, and women who are not attracted to a man (women are usually only attracted to a few men) are not open to those advances. Men who know that they have "bothered" women somehow with their "predatory" nature are going to be naturally bothered by the negative generalizations, I think, because they see themselves in some of those generalizations, even if the men who women are really upset at are the ones who go over…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:08 PM
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Sure. It is very easy to choose to be online and disassociate oneself, though. In the past, the alternative was just sitting around bored, so one basically had to find a real social life in order to not suffer from complete boredom.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:04 PM
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Men don't instinctively want to kill women. The point of my comment is that men normally instinctively want to protect certain women because it protects their future genes, and many men are not incapable of empathically bonding with women, especially their mothers and sometimes their wives, depending upon that man's personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:01 PM
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Really all of the experience men need is just having some female friends and talking to women. He may not be able to attract one of those friends, but at least he will learn how to talk to women and to understand how their minds are different than men's. It sounds like the type of thing that you are suggesting is more like "gifting" men starter girlfriends. This kind of thing just alienates women. Men need to figure out things on their own, and Red Pill negative stereotypes about women usually d…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:57 PM
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Wanting to protect "his honor" is still a natural instinct to protect some women in his family. It just is not for a reason of empathy. It is more for the evolutionary reason of protecting someone whom one shares genes with, and not wanting to have to provide resources to the possible offspring of a rape. I would argue that men do develop emotional attachments to their mothers and often (although not always) to their own wives that go beyond mere genetic and resource provision interests, though.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:22 PM
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Contentless rhetoric really means anything not having to do with directly debating the topics of this sub. Harmless contentless rhetoric likely will not result in a ban, but it can be removed by a moderator anytime at his or her discretion if he or she wishes. Contentless rhetoric that serves only to annoy other users will usually result in a warning or a temporary ban.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:26 AM
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Yeah sure. Women are like restaurants. Everyone wants food. But some places don’t get many customers even if the food is cheap. And even if that place does get a customer, he doesn’t really want to keep going there long enough to be a long-term customer.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:15 PM
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Power imbalances are only bad if the one in power takes advantage of them. Almost everybody has had a boss before, and many times people have had good bosses that did not take advantage of the “power dynamic” that they had over their employees.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:09 PM
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Most of them are poorer. “Poor” is not an insult word. Generalizations about poorer people are silly to me. The women in poorer countries vary just as much as individual Americans do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:05 PM
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Now you think that women are somehow not surviving in poor countries? The condescending paternalism that many westerners have towards people in poorer countries just astounds me sometimes. Women in poorer foreign countries can make the same rational judgments and choices that western women can and do about men. Please stop considering them as poor desperate children.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:00 PM
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I can’t discuss race on this sub, but I do point out that other -isms have real harms like job discrimination and violence against that group. Men are not being discriminated against due to misandry except for sexual choice. I have a really not been personally harmed because some men who are not me hate women and are violent towards them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:57 PM
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A lot of masculinity is traditionally predatory and potentially violent. I’m not sure why it bothers so many men when it is pointed out, when they can just say that they aren’t one of these men and be proud of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:54 PM
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I’ve never seen women making light of sexual assault when it happens to men. If some do, I think that it’s a minority. While most men also do not assault women, I do think that male assault of women is more pervasive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:51 PM
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Everyone seemed to back when I was young. I was about as nerdy as a guy could get and even I got invited to parties. Eventually if a guy talks to enough women he finds one or two who might like him. I don’t think that today’s lonely men get much chance to really socialize anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:49 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:43 PM
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No, it makes things more difficult than meeting people at parties and other social gatherings like people did in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:41 PM
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Dating has always been hard. People went to parties a lot more in the past and had more interactions than they do now that they are stuck on the internet and their phones. It was always hard to meet the right person, but now it has become more difficult to even meet people at all, and that makes dating even more difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:40 PM
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Don’t make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:14 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:14 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:13 PM
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Why ask for masculine women? Men who really want more masculine presence in their lives should either make more male friends or try dating other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:10 PM
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How so? So if a woman in a poor country gets a job overseas to make money for her family, then the employer is a trafficker? Because this kind of thing happens all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:28 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:24 AM
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I don't completely understand why men get so upset by this. All they have to do is think to themselves, "I'm not like those other men who women are complaining about." Since it's not really an issue like job discrimination like it is with other -isms, the only thing that I can think of is that men get upset because they actually do see themselves somewhat in the criticisms that women have of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:20 AM
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Truthfully, it really varies. Some of the women are like how you describe and some are like how the user whom you are replying to describes. Generalizing all of the women in an entire country is a pretty big mistake to make, and men who know what they are doing know how to "test" the women to tell the virtuous ones from the gold diggers and the ones who are basically prostitutes (although some men don't really mind the latter).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:00 AM
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Are most of your female friends like this with richer western men? If not, then why are you insulting foreign women from poor countries by calling them gold diggers and worse than western women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:54 PM
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It's not an issue if the foreigner and the local both fetishize each other. Then it kind of works out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:48 PM
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Yes sure. This applies to the ones who do it who respect the local women and their culture and who are not misogynists who dislike all women and who are just using women in poor countries for easier sexual opportunities. Some of these men are in the latter category, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:44 PM
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Do not promote black pill on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:25 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:23 PM
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No invalidating
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:20 PM
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If she leaves her country and/or gets money, then she is not being taken advantage of unless somehow the harms to her are even worse than the benefits of that, such as actual abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:14 PM
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They probably should care about the costs to society of those choices, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:13 PM
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A prison is not analogous to a bar or a club. The last part of my reply spoke to how there is a difference to the attitudes of men and many women being approached even in places like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:55 PM
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Then it doesn’t really solve much except encouraging more children. It just makes an existing and arguably worse problem worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:53 PM
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If a man actually cares for the women whom he meets, then how would that not be good? Even if he is neutral about her and just supporting her financially, she will end up better off than she was before.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:51 PM
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the left has yet to offer a better alternative to the manosphere, calling men trash and saying everything is our fault doesn't cut it, which is the biggest thing. This is because a lot of them want to get rid of the “patriarchy” age replace it with a matriarchy. They have no interest in men and women working together, so the best way to enable this is to label anything masculine as toxic and to ask men to act like women. Of course, we definitely need less harms of aggressive masculinity such as …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:50 PM
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This is an over-generalization and probably only describes half of men. From everything I’ve seen and experienced, western men can probably be put into one of four roughly equal categories. 25% of men easily to fairly easily attract women. Women either approach or give overt signals of interest to them. 25% of men struggle to attract attractive women, but do not have problems attracting some less attractive ones. 25% of men have to put in an effort to attract almost any woman. They might complai…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:41 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:25 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:25 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:05 PM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:36 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:28 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:22 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:22 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:18 AM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:15 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:06 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:02 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:01 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:28 PM
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It is probably a fair question to ask a heterosexual man, then. "Would you be bothered by another man doing the same thing that you are doing towards a woman?" The problem is that I do not think that it is a direct one to one comparison. as I don't think that even men are bothered by other men cold approaching them. Maybe if one asked it as "would you be bothered by a man 100 pounds heavier than you cold approaching you?" Still, I do not think that many men would be bothered by this if it were d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:24 PM
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One who treats the women whom he meets well, I would think.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:15 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:13 PM
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Having and raising children alone probably just creates more marginalized men, as these men do not have a positive male role model to look up to growing up, and instead turn to online manosphere grifters. Therefore I don't agree with the conclusion of this paper.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:12 PM
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No, it’s easier for multiple reasons. A man can attract women from a greater age range. Women in their early 30s get more desperate to settle down, or are at least “more ready” to settle down. Their libidos often increase at this age, too. Furthermore, men are more economically established at this age and therefore more attractive to women in their age range. Finally, men in their early 30s have “figured out” women more and therefore know how to attract them better. These men may not be able to …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:30 PM
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Just wanting to have sex with women is not really "liking" them. This is certainly how many women see how men like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:32 PM
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There are reasons that we do not allow discussion about race, even if one's intentions are not bad, that are outlined in our rules wiki. Please do not bring up race again.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:28 PM
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Most of the comments I read on Reddit are along the lines of "I am not into most men, but I really love my boyfriend". I think that women make an exception to their general disinterest in many men with the men whom they are actually interested in. Men often do not understand this because their sexuality does not work the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:24 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:44 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:41 AM
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This is a debate sub, not a circlejerk sub like most subs on Reddit where one will get banned for arguing. I will debate with exploitative passport bros if I see them on this sub and they admit to exploiting women. I already tell the men here that do not already passport bro that I do not think that passport bro'ing is good for the type of man who cannot handle cultural differences well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:36 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:31 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:25 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:21 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:18 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:18 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:17 AM
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Not as undersocialized as the comphet posts that are now banned, which this post is dangerously close to being. At least OP is acknowledging that a few men might experience genuine sexual desire from a woman, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:55 AM
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Attracting the best women has always been about outcompeting other men. It is Blue Pilled nonsense to believe that there is “somebody out there for everybody”, and that men don’t even have to try. Women even get offended if they know that men aren’t putting in any effort and expect women to automatically be attracted to them. Western men can outcompete many developing country men. It’s that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:34 PM
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Why does the loneliness and unhappiness of average men with the means to travel outweigh the loneliness and unhappiness of poorer local men in these places? The above average men sleeping with average women in the west aren’t thinking about “depriving” those average men. Why should average men in the west be thinking about depriving average developing country men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:29 PM
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As an arguably “good passport bro”, I have better things to do than go on some misogyny-oriented sub and eventually get banned for calling out actual exploiters. This is why I can understand egalitarian feminists not going around “calling out” radical feminists. They just don’t want to be in those spaces to begin with, so when are they realistically getting the opportunity to call them out?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:27 PM
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The difference supposedly is that women are hypergamous, while men are just looking to date and marry their equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:20 PM
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How is that different from long-term prostitution, though, if his only attractive quality is his money?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:19 PM
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There are evolutionary psychology studies supporting some of the ideas. They don’t support misogyny, of course, but they might support ideas like “attempting to fulfill traditional gender roles in order to satisfy evolutionary needs”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:12 PM
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I don’t really agree that the average man can’t attract a western wonan. I think that he can, but that he might not like the quality of woman that he can attract. So I don’t agree that it is the “only real” solution for average men. I do think that is the ideal solution for men who either wish to optimize the quality of woman that they attract, whose personal values don’t agree with those of western women, or who no longer find western women all that attractive due to western women becoming more…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:02 PM
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If TRP gave out “licenses” and used many of the “studies” that they cite, I’m not sure how TRP would be structurally any different from therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:46 PM
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I can understand why men might find the prevalence of female therapists off-putting, or might think that talk therapy wouldn't be effective for them personally, but where does this idea that therapy came from or is intended for feminists come from? Probably from men who went through marital counseling and did not like what they were told. My own issues with therapy are only about its expense rather than its efficacy. I’m just saying that some men seem hostile to it and think that it is a “grift”…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:43 PM
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And Red Pillers claim that TRP “can work” too. They are comparable in how the other side can accuse each practice of being “grift”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:41 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:39 AM
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I’ve never dated overly sexual or previously promiscuous women, so this has never been an issue for me. While I have always actively avoided known promiscuous women, I wouldn’t necessarily avoid a very sexualized women. I just don’t think I really matched as well with any of the ones that I’ve talked to. More sexually conservative women seem to feel safer around me and those are the ones I seemed to attract, I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:01 PM
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It’s like blaming a difficult video game for being difficult. It’s silly and whiny. If a given man doesn’t want to put in the effort, then he should just decide not to play, or perhaps find an “easier mode” by going overseas.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:56 PM
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I’m not making any threats. I like most women. I just think that either sex taking a hostile attitude towards the opposite sex is a wrong approach. I dislike misandrists as much as I dislike misogynists.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:50 PM
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Recognized by whom? Psychologists? What gives them any more authority? Simply a degree? Furthermore, anyone can say that they are offering some form of “therapy”. I’m not even sure that everyone who calls themselves a therapist is properly licensed in some way. A lot of men already do think that therapy is basically a “grift” since it is feminist-centric.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:48 PM
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How would you even know if you are her best sexual experience? Maybe if she mentions it? Not all women are good at being quiet about things. Alternatively, if one is acquainted with one of her exes or previous sexual partners. Furthermore, many men feel that one man having sex right away while he has to wait as that other man receiving “better treatment”.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:46 PM
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But that is how men view a woman’s “sexual best”, and that is right in the title of your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:43 PM
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Why? TRP thinks that they are “helping” men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:42 PM
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Several cultures have some kind of “coming of age” parties for girls or young women. I think that they were historically to mark her as “marriageable”, but there is no reason why they couldn’t be repurposed, or adopted by the cultures that don’t traditionally have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:41 PM
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A woman will make you plan the whole date, then judge you for not making it good enough, even though you're both there for each other. She'll feel she only has to show up and look nice, and if you're/ she is not impressed that's your failure. But a man who exhibits these preferences straight up just look toxic. A man who thinks he's the prize is thought of as problematic. I’ve had women ask me out on dates before. One doesn’t get these kinds of questions when it’s the woman doing the asking. So …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:42 AM
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I think that there were some famous scientists and academics who were single that society appreciates. I think that what “society” considers important is that a man contributes in some way, but not necessarily by providing for a woman and having a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:40 AM
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Replies to Debate posts must challenge the OP's view.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:42 AM
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No contentless rhetoric
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:41 AM
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No contentless rhetoric
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:31 AM
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I don't think that being raped and a man being slapped by his female partner because he is rude to her are comparable harms.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:16 AM
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Women do not inherently value loyalty. They remain loyal if the man continues to fulfill their expectations. They often cheat on men who do not fulfill those expectations, as statistics about female cheating show.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:15 AM
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Well, it is all about changing the perception that men have of women. If you don't think that it can ever be changed, then I suppose women should just do whatever they want and hope that men won't eventually harm them more than they already do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:14 AM
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That's because their grift requires lying to you, and those lies don't work in a progressive environment. "Therapy works" is arguably a Blue Pill grift, mostly aimed towards women at the moment. And if it is not currently a grift, there are men out there who could certainly grift men by saying that their brand of therapy does work, which would be a Blue Pill way of doing things. Many therapists certainly do like making money.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:07 AM
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Men are more likely to be the victims of violence than women. Not when they go on a date or when they are with their opposite sex partner, I think, which is what this question is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:45 PM
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I could like and “love” a friend who has a compatible personality, but I’m not going to commit resources towards a household and potentially a family with her unless we are sexually compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:41 PM
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I wish men understood that women are acting rationally based on the cost/benefits of sex just as much as men are. Our math leads to a different result than men's. The problem is that birth control and the subsequent proliferation of casual sex altered this equation. Many men see some men having a lot of sex with women that is not for the purpose of eventual reproduction. As a result, many men envy those men and want to be one those men, and blame women when they do not end up becoming one of tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:39 PM
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I come on here daily telling men what they can do, but not many of them listen. Unfortunately, while there are some smart men, there are also some really dumb, whiny ones. You’re not going to get an argument from me defending the male gender. I’m just telling you how men think since I am one myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:26 PM
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If she has only had relationship sex before or no sex at all and she wants a lot of sex, then I would prefer that woman unless our personalities are not compatible. Women with “compatible personalities” who do not want a lot of sex would be called “friends”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:23 PM
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A man feels he is being treated better if he gets his sexual best from a woman. That is in the title. You can’t edit that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:21 PM
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I don’t know why men say a bunch of disturbing, distressful, and depressing stuff about their own gender and then expect women to grovel and pander to them in response. I don’t expect that. Both men and women know that there are other options out there if the person whom they are with doesn’t meet their expectations. To many men, some of those options might be younger women if said women happened to be attracted to them in some way. For women, it might be a man who is more responsible, more ambi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:20 PM
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Many men will view it that way, though. How someone is being treated is a subjective judgment. And to men, sex is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:16 PM
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Sex isn't a restaurant. It is to many men, apparently. If formerly promiscuous women who treated other men in the past better don’t like that then they can either date other women or stay single, the way I see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:15 PM
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I wouldn’t date someone who wanted to either have sex so little or who was promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:13 PM
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Again. This is diabolical. You basically describe men as only loyal because they don’t have the option to cheat. Biology isn’t moral. Women often are not loyal either if a man is disappointing them in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:32 PM
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I quoted right from your post, I believe, although you seem to have edited it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:30 PM
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If someone sees that someone is being treated better, of course they will be upset even if that service is still better than a fast-food restaurant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:30 PM
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Women are nowhere near as indiscriminate in our sexual behavior as men. Yet men want women to act like men with regard to sex, and it’s completely delusional. Men expect it because women are (supposedly) giving that kind of sexual attention to certain men, and they therefore get upset when the average to below average women in their league are giving it to much more relatively attractive men. TRP is supposed to be a “hack” to help these average to below average men and to stop their whining. How…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:27 PM
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If it’s in your post then it is part of the debate. I’m telling you why men are offended when they are not treated as the “best”. It is because, like at a restaurant, one does not want to see some customers get treated better than oneself when one is “paying” the same amount of money to dine there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:01 PM
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The single dads that I know usually ended up with single moms. As there are many of those, I would say that they are still fairly desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:58 PM
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Women don’t tell men to cold approach. They tell men to get involved in social groups. Most women don’t want strange men cold approaching them, often even at times when it might be expected such as at a bar or club.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:11 PM
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The obvious outcome of this is that most men are going to perceive themselves as failing, which is bad for their self esteem This usually doesn’t happen if a man finds a woman or multiple women to have sex with, hence why men try desperately to attract women when masturbation serves just as well at relieving sexual urges, which is something that single women are often aware of when it comes to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:09 PM
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I’m not sure what this has to do with my point. My point is that men are attracted to many women, and they are often still attracted to their wives even after they no longer look optimal. Many men do not have the option to “trade up” even if they wanted to, as, yes, men age too, and younger women often do not prefer older men, especially when those younger women are capable of supporting themselves financially, as possible financial support is the main advantage of getting involved with an older…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:05 PM
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It should be about the experience with her. Yes, and being treated as well as or preferably better than her other partners is part of that experience. The service that one receives at a restaurant is part of the whole restaurant eating experience. Why wouldn’t the same be true for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:02 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:58 PM
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Hence, it makes sense they get upset when the first few dates dont result in sex. They were led to believe women would be eager to fuck strangers. Most men know guys who have casual sex, and many women readily admit to having it, even if they later say that that phase of their life resulted in disappointment with how men treated them. It makes sense that women want their “sexual best” from a woman (having sex as soon as possible), even she has had sex quickly with other men, because men do value…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:27 PM
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They are compatible, though, because they are not as picky as women. Men will still get horny and erect for their flabby wives with stretch marks when younger women are not as option, and even sometimes when they are. Hence, the number of men who have fathered many children with one woman, especially in more traditional or poorer cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:19 PM
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I suppose. I think that the issue is that men, at least until fairly recently, are not given negative messages about how not to act towards women. They are told to be “nice”, but they are not told to not be shy and wishy-washy with that niceness. So instead , they become the “nice guy” that gets friendzoned and eventually becomes bitter towards women. Women’s positive messages towards men are for the men who already attract them. They are telling the good-looking, confident guy with interesting …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:28 PM
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I don’t. It’s why I had better success attracting women from poorer countries. Sexual hypergamy is real. Men have to be more to attract western women, but I don’t actually “fault” western women for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:20 PM
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I don’t fully agree with this. I do think that there is a kind of “social intelligence” that lower IQ men develop in lieu of academic intelligence. Men who are “boors” rarely attract women regardless of their intelligence. I think that what one finds instead is that these lower intelligence men have a kind of “charm” that higher intelligence men just don’t develop, whether it’s because of background or because of being some degree on the autism spectrum, which is what aids in terms of much of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:18 PM
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No contentless rhetoric
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:47 PM
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No contentless rhetoric
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:27 PM
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Replies to Debate posts must challenge the OP’s view.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:27 PM
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a man is celebrated when he is assertive and headstrong, and woman are called cunty and bitchy when they are assertive and headstrong. But it makes sense for men to be upset when they don’t like the standard that they are being held to. I was attacked here by some more bluish women previously when I said that I’m not attracted to most western women because they act too masculine, even though I’m in full support of women’s rights, freedoms and education. Nobody likes to be “discriminated” against…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:06 PM
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No personal attacks
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:24 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:15 AM
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Governments already screen overseas relationships to ensure that they are legit through an interview process (at least the American government does) before offering a visa. So most of your arguments do not even apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:30 PM
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Be civil.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:25 PM
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Replies to Debate posts must challenge the OP's view.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:24 PM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:05 PM
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No personal attacks
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:04 PM
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No personal attacks
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:45 PM
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I think that the biggest problem with views attacking passport bro-ing is that tbese views infantilize the decisions of foreign people, mostly women, and treats them like they are stupid and incapable of making their own decisions. It is western colonialism all over again. These women are capable of identifying poor value men in their own country just as well as western women can. What makes westerners think that they cannot recognize poor quality western men, as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:01 PM
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I generally agree with this. The toxic, confident guy has enough confidence that he will generally meet someone who does not care enough about his toxicity after going on several dates and the ones smart enough to screen him properly or who have standards reject him. It is awkward, unconfident men who do not necessarily have toxic views about women who have the most problems. Unfortunately, these days these men are steered online due to their lack of success and become both toxic and awkward due…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:25 PM
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i agree that passport bro'ing as written is just escorting, but a lot of these men do end up in relationships with these women. A lot of them are fairly high quality women and often have more traditional outlooks than western women, so the complaints that they have about western women do not come into play as much. Sure, there are a few scammers, but women from some of these countries often prefer western men to the men from their own country, so they do not end up just using these men for money…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:14 PM
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Do you have a link for that? I read the opposite when I ask AI. And even if some of them end in divorce, they certainly all do not end that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:11 AM
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Removed. No posts about incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:09 AM
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Those men are delusional. On the other hand, there are plenty of age appropriate couples who meet by means of overseas romance, and I would venture to say that many of these couples actually do care for and love each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:02 AM
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American women are not divorcing men?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:58 AM
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I do not think that one can generalize and say that all men who seek overseas romance are abusive. In the end, these women (and sometimes men) are making choices much like they would choose a partner in their own country. We cannot be treating grown adults like they are children.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:58 AM
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Huh what? Having consensual sex with a woman feels much better than using one's hand. I'm always surprised about what I have to explain on this sub sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:53 AM
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I constantly see these younger women developing deep resentment because they aren't truly attracted to the guy. They treat him like crap and use him strictly for his money and status. Is it really worth it? Isn't it better to live in a dignified solitude? Nope. Sex is more enjoyable than solitude. Why do you think men use prostitutes? It is not the same for women because they can always find a man willing to have sex with them, and because there is more of an orgasm gap between men and women, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:51 AM
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Removed. No posts about blackpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:32 AM
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I don’t warn anyone unless the “circlejerking” is obnoxious in some way, or if it goes on between two users for multiple replies.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:49 PM
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Because women have higher standards regarding what “attraction” means to them in regards to sex that men do not have.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:47 PM
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i'm not talking about marriage fraud. i'm talking about women using marriage as a tool to improve their standard of living. That would be a fraudulent marriage if it eventually ended quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:46 PM
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I suppose, although a lot of cultures don’t have sex before marriage, so this is not always an appropriate question.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:44 PM
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No. I’m explaining Red Pill philosophy. And yes, Red Pill does explain a lot of complicated evolutionary psychological concepts with simplified made-up words.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:43 PM
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That doesn't mean they love you genuinely, just because they stay. Having regular sex beats not having it. It is why men often make the decision. “Love” is somewhat irrelevant. Do you think the 50 year old guy cares whether the hot 20 year old woman “loves” him?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:42 PM
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If you’re having enthusiastic sex that is what matters. Most men know when they are having enthusiastic sex and when they are not. Furthermore, having any consensual sex at all is better than not having it. Any man who gets married to a woman before having a sexual relationship with is an idiot, whether that man married a foreigner or a woman in her own country. So if a man can go overseas and find a woman willing to have sex with him, whether she “loves” him or not, it beats being sexless and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:40 PM
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Why do you think that only abusive men are the ones marrying foreigners and that all non-abusive men are perfectly satisfied with women in their own country?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:37 PM
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I don’t think that that’s true. Most American women are doing the divorcing, not more traditional women. It makes logical sense for less traditional women to divorce more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:36 PM
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Yes, the idea is that men believe women do not pair bond, not that they do. Hence, the expression “she’s not yours, it’s just your turn”.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:33 PM
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They’re upset that women don’t need men as much as men need women. This used to be the case in the past when men oppressed women, but not so much now.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:30 PM
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Don’t make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:44 PM
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This is just one woman. She was probably more compatible with the bad boy. Some, but not all, women are. If he is as much of a catch as you say he is, he should just move on and he will find someone more compatible with him soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:41 PM
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No contentless rhetoric
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:22 PM
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No contentless rhetoric
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:07 PM
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No personal attacks
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:04 PM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:31 AM
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No racially charged comments
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:26 AM
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I don't disagree with any of your points about women, but I'm not sure that manosphere men talk about women and pair bonding as much as you think. From what I have read, men seem to say that women like men for what they do rather than who they are, and TRP always talks about how important it is for a man to maintain frame and not to lose respect from a woman. To me, these beliefs would seem to de-emphasize a belief in a pair bond rather than support men believing that women develop one, as a "bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:22 AM
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Most of the men married to women from overseas are not getting divorced. One is more likely to be divorced from an American woman than a foreign one. Men who think otherwise should just keep dating and marrying western women in their own country and experience for themselves how that works out for them in terms of loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:54 PM
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People who are angry at the opposite gender in general as one gender would probably be angry at the opposite gender in general if they were the other gender too. I think that the people who are angry know who they are, but are likely delusional of they somehow think that they wouldn’t be angry at women if they were men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:05 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:39 PM
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So women date up because there are qualities they admire? That's not definition of hypergamy. You are confusing hypergamy with attraction No. That is always what sexual hypergamy has meant to TRP. They are telling men that women will not be automatically attracted to you just because you exist, like men are with most women, or because you are “nice” to them, which is not a hypergamous quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:37 PM
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That rarely happens. An American man is probably more likely to be divorced by an American woman than one from a foreign country with a traditional outlook on marriage, or where it is even illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:34 PM
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You replied to my comment that I made towards another user. I was just pointing out how your comment changed nothing that I originally said to that other user.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:33 PM
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I still don’t think that it’s actually happening. And if you are in immigration law, you should know how legally challengeable these memos and others are. I sincerely doubt that if anything is ever implemented that it is going to impact the K-1 visa program. Once again, if you are in immigration law, you should know how this visa program is already screened for fraud. A lot of these women marry their conservative husbands and vote conservative with them when they eventually become citizens, so i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:31 PM
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There is already a screening mechanism, and any marriage that does not last at least two years is likely to get the immigrating spouse sent back to his or her own country due to suspected fraud. I’m pretty sure that marriage fraud is quite rare based upon everything I’ve read, and many conservative men (I’m not one of them) are the ones desiring to marry “traditional” women from foreign countries in the first place who are eager to adopt American values. There really is no reason to limit spousa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:26 PM
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How so? The appeal of overseas women is often that they have more traditional outlooks than western women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:13 PM
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Women not being hypergamous just was not my own experience. Every woman who has been sexually attracted to me (not many that I’m aware of) was sexually attracted to me because I had some quality that they admired. Despite what some women say, women were never attracted to me just because I was “there” and they were horny, like how men are often attracted to women, or because they wanted to increase their number of sexual partners and I was potentially one of them, as men also think about women. …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:12 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:32 PM
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Are you under the impression that the king baby ruling by executive order gives a shit whether or not they have the authority to do this? It would be challenged in court just like everything else he has tried. But I do not get the impression from what I have read that the administration as a whole wants to get rid of fiancée marriages (although certain individuals in the administration might). They are more concerned with things like students or workers overstaying visas.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:11 PM
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Another user basically did.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:08 PM
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Because they can’t always do it. Do you think poor Vietnamese women could immigrate to the USA in some other way to be with their male partners after that war? Yes, you can argue that we can make exceptions for veterans, or people from prosperous countries, or whatever. But there already is a vetting process for these interviews. The foreigners are already being interviewed and being required to provide evidence of a genuine relationship before receiving a visa. The people upset about passport b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:07 PM
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The K-1/K-2 visa programs were originally founded to reward service people (mostly men) who met their future spouses overseas. Yet another proposed way to further cement disrespect towards veterans, I suppose
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:57 PM
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A guy can get dates with better looking women overseas, though. A western guy who can only attract a 4 in his own country can probably attract a 6 overseas. Should he just be content with the 4 if he knows that he can attract a 6? And before you chastise me for being looks-focused, note that women will openly state that looks are important too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:54 PM
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I’m sure the Americans falling in love with Canadians will love that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:42 PM
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That doesn’t make Vance a passport bro, then. His wife is an American with an American accent and an American education.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:41 PM
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From what I’ve read (and personally experienced a long time ago), adjustment of status is part of the K-1 visa process. If an immigrant fiancée does not adjust her status after marrying, she must leave the country anyway as the visa will then expire. It makes no sense to make a spouse go back to her own country to adjust status after marriage for a visa program that already required it. The administration is targeting people here on other visas, not ones who are expected to become family members…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:37 PM
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I’m pretty sure that JD Vance’s wife was born in the USA, which just makes your comment racist instead of funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:10 PM
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I personally believe that people can simultaneously respect people and also see “good treatment” from those people as a reward. I do not have such a black and white view. I think that the way that manosphere men see women is sub-optimal for a long-term, respectful, loving relationship. However, it is relevant to how many women tend to reward men for casual sex, which is why men pursue the strategies. Naturally, when they see women actually want to be treated differently in a respectful long-term…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:09 PM
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Some men are successful, though, and men strive to emulate the men whom they see are successful. When they see attractive, confident men being successful with women despite these men’s attitudes towards women, men seek to emulate these men. This is why I always say that, for things to change, women need to stop having casual sex, as women tend to disproportionately award attractive, confident, but eventually poorly behaving men when they do choose to have it. Casual sex is not “feminine empowerm…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:44 PM
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It’s not happening. They are biting the hand that feeds them if they do this. Do they think that liberal men are the ones going overseas?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:38 PM
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In a lot of cases where the woman ends up getting married to a foreigner she ends up with a better life than she would if she had married a poor local. Furthermore, this kind of thing brings in remittance wealth to a poorer country. This is why men going overseas to meet women is not always a bad thing, and why it is not likely to ever be banned soon, at least by the poorer countries. I doubt it will be banned by wealthier countries, either. Quite a few conservative men or military men meet thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:36 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:30 PM
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They aren’t ending it. Quite a few conservative men find foreign spouses.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:29 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:38 PM
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Most very attractive men like being very attractive because it gives them either an opportunity to cheat with other women, or at least attention from other women, which is validating to them rather than threatening. Men are not women. They do not find the other sex to be threatening, and they value a variety of at least potential sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:50 AM
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since abuse and manipulation from someone with far more life experience and at a complete different stage of life happens far more often than not. I’m not sure how a 30 year old man can manipulate an 18-year old woman more than an 18-year old man can manipulate an 18-year old woman. I knew plenty of manipulative men back when I was 18. In fact, men were more manipulative back then because they were less mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:59 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:49 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:48 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:48 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:47 PM
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Dads from the previous generation are the ones who have antiquated views and have no incentive to teach their sons domestic values that they do not even have. Many fathers are even absent from their sons lives. Mothers not taking responsibility for molding their sons into better people means that the next generation of men will be just like the previous one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:08 PM
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I would argue that most men see sex like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:05 PM
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One cannot discuss race on this sub. It is against sub rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:00 PM
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If part of one’s enjoyment of sex is being able to make the other person orgasm, then that is not an issue. I suppose some people just see sex as some form of enhanced masturbation, though, so I see your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:59 PM
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I believe that arguing with people is good exercise for one’s brain as it ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:57 PM
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Nothing systematic. I’ve encountered some misandrists before, but I have not been disadvantaged by anything systematic like women in some industries might still experience from men, and I have never felt like my safety was in jeopardy because of a woman, although I have met a couple of “creepy” women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:13 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:42 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:16 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:15 AM
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It’s possible to see a woman as a person and also to value sex as a reward simultaneously.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:32 PM
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And I am telling you that this is how men view sex she how they always will view sex, at least until realistic sexbots or virtual sex exist. Anyone who does not understand this does not understand men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:28 PM
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Who else is supposed to teach them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:21 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:46 PM
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One can understand what women are (supposedly) attracted to and try to emulate those traits, though, which is what TRP is trying to do. It is not like TRP is telling men "try to argue logically with women and convince them why they should be attracted to you". These men do not think that women are logical to begin with, which is why they call them things like "the oldest teenagers".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:43 PM
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We're not a prize to be won That is not the male perspective, though, as men enjoy sex a lot and it is not an easy thing for many of them to have like it is for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:36 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:33 PM
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How young men are raised by the previous generation is not really preparing them for life with contemporary women. I have had this argument with other women on this sub before, and I do think that this is the case, and that men are not really taught by their parents to by default do domestic duties when they should. Whether women are more biologically inclined to want to do it, or whether they are more likely to want to do it because they are socialized like that is debatable, but there is a dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:33 PM
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I agree that the men who do not want to wear condoms but then advocate for financial abortions are pretty dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:28 PM
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Women are surprised because they solipsistically believe that men will behave exactly like childless women and that these men will be fine with their same sex friend networks and with spending their money on travel and buying new clothes. As a non Red-Pill man, I am not surprised that men are being radicalized at all.
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/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:07 AM
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If a man has had sex with his traditional wife who has never had a job of her own, does that make him a virgin because he has always been a provider for her, even though he might have multiple children with that woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:53 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:44 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:26 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:24 AM
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Men are bellowing at women that women trap men into fatherhood. Yes, as I said, men do not want children when they are not ready to settle down. That is not the same as never wanting children.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:24 PM
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Until they are developed enough that their women don’t want children either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:22 PM
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I think that many men don’t want children at the wrong time while they are still young and with the wrong woman, rather than never wanting children at all like many young western women profess.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:17 PM
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If a man has enough value, then he is that someone to some woman out there. There isn’t anyone else. Men who are not that man to any woman are just low value men. But that is my no means all men out there, and likely not even the average man, as most men report being able to have sex with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:04 PM
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Nah they should join something outdoor to talk to other people in real life. Talking to women just gets a guy female friends unless he actually knows what attracts women and how to attract them, though. So I do think that OP has a good point, although I think that a man needs to know how to attract women and how to talk to them like normal people, which just reading romance novels won’t provide the practical experience for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:58 PM
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Women aren’t any better at knowing which women are high quality and which one aren’t than men, and they might actually be worse. They criticize the conservative women that many conservative men are happy with, for instance. They automatically think that every woman from a developing country is some gullible, easily manipulated woman when some are master manipulators themselves. Women might actually be more prejudiced than men when it comes to women who do not tow their particular approach on lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:19 PM
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Nope. I have no problem enjoying the advantages of being born a man. I don’t think that I would enjoy the physical pain and the consistent harassment involved when one is born a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:01 PM
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Whether men want to admit it or not, we all have women who are interested in us but whom we consider undesirable. We won’t offer them anything more than sex. No, some men are so undesirable that they have nothing to offer women except money. And even then, some of these men don’t even have that. This is a minority of men, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:28 PM
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So would you kill your own child if he or she asked for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:53 PM
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Modern men still do those things, though. Men may be more enlightened than in the past, but many are still harming women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:43 PM
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I do nice things for friends, if I wouldn't even want to do nice things for a spouse, why on earth would I be with them? Sex? Men really like sex a lot, and it is much more difficult for them to find it than it is for women to find it from men. Hence, why prostitution exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:42 PM
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And men explain that this is deeply, horribly cruel and they don’t want “duty sex”, they want “real genuine visceral attraction” and they want her to fuck him instantly on the first date on the bathroom floor of the club, and they want to be the very best man she’s ever seen. Sure, this is what men ideally want. But most are happy as long as they are having sex. Men just work differently than women. They would ideally like to “collect” women whom they are equally attracted to. The behavior of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:40 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:33 PM
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It looks stingy when a man does not want to pay to most women, though, especially when there are other men out there who are willing to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:32 PM
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Like they've no understanding of how human interactions work. A lot of men know how to interact with other men just fine. Interacting with women in a way that attracts them is a different kind of challenge, though, and essentially a “puzzle” to many men who do not know how hypergamy works. Just being a woman’s friend and her “equal” will probably not attract a woman. Women are not attracted to their male friends all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:30 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:26 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:17 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:13 AM
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Many women still report a lot of bad behavior from contemporary men. Perhaps the problems were worse in the past. But it’s not like modern men today are blameless for at minimum bothering women, at most assaulting and killing women (a minority of men, of course), and in general getting in the way of women’s progress. Of course, some men are more guilty than others, but I don’t blame women for continuing to bring up issues that are still obvious issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:47 PM
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The dead bedrooms thing you describe is not typical. There are many more comments about mismatched libido across Reddit where the man wants more sex than the woman does. As for the women cheating, you make a better point there. However, dual mating strategy does not apply to men, because men cannot have sex with more sexually attractive women than them without paying for it. Yes, you are right that some women cheat because their partners are not “alpha” enough, but I do not believe that, in this…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:11 PM
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I mean how attracted does “attracted” need to be? Men will still do nice things for their wives and girlfriends and have sex with them even if they are more attracted to other women who they can’t attract. As for the “settling” thing, men are bothered by that because women can have sex with men who are more attractive than they are. Women only have to worry about this if men pay with money, which is understandably why most women are against things like prostitution and men going overseas to find…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:05 PM
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Every woman whose post I read on Reddit will gush about how wonderful her husband or boyfriend is, until he is no longer “wonderful” and she completely loses all attraction. Men are not the same way. They can be “kind of” attracted to their wives and still enjoy sex with them while lusting over more attractive women too. If OP wants to know if a man will always be most attracted to his spouse, then that might be a no. But he’s likely not going to lose all attraction and completely ignore her or …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:14 PM
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Even “doctor” still has status. It is just for “marriage sex” rather than casual sex, though. Anything that a woman might boast about to her friends about a particular guy qualifies as status. It’s just that women are not going to boast to their friends about having casual sex with a doctor like they will about having casual sex with some famous celebrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:31 AM
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Men want lots of women, from the hot celebrities to the average ones whom they can actually marry. Women and their focus on “binary attraction” (a person is either totally obsessed over or completely unattractive) just never seem to understand how “analog” male sexual attraction works. Average men are very much sexually attracted to their average wives, and also sexually attracted to the women who are much more attractive than those wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:24 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:20 AM
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The Red Pill believes that women are the same everywhere. Whether the women are western or not is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:52 PM
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Giving any small group of people too much power is a failure, whether it is government oligarchs or corporate oligarchs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:05 PM
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Yeah they can. More powerful men oppress lesser men all the time. Furthermore, many male norms are fairly toxic and do not have much positive impact to many men’s mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:04 PM
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Even young men are sexually attracted to older women. Isn’t MILFs a popular thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:57 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:39 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:22 AM
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Yes, that will get removed. Discussion of the blackpill is not allowed here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:19 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:17 AM
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Most women want comments from female friends and acquaintances and men whom they are attracted to. Most women do not need comments from either a plethora of NPC men out there. I don’t think validation from social media is why some men are having trouble dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:58 PM
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I never did. I thought this one older woman in her early 30s was attractive once back when I was in my 20s, but I wouldn’t say that I had a crush on her. She took good care of herself and still looked like she was in her 20s, so I think that is what is key for older women hoping to seriously attract younger men for more than just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:52 PM
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Patriarchy helps the men who are at the top and damages the majority of the men near the bottom. Men near the bottom defend it because they either hope that they get near the top, they mistakenly think that they are already near the top, or they enjoy the relatively small amount of power that patriarchy actually gives them in their lives. These are the same reasons why many poor people, both men and women, defend capitalism, even though they suffer compared to the wealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:45 PM
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I suppose because I’m the one suggesting the coffee shop or whatever inexpensive first date I end up planning. If a woman insists on a dinner date as the first date, then we would need to split that, or else there is not a first date. On the other hand, if I offer to pay for an inexpensive first date, it is at least proof that I am capable of being generous.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:20 PM
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It’s thriving due to women not settling down to monogamous married lifestyles while they are young, plain and simple. Men still want sex just as much as they did before, but women do not want domesticity just as much as before. I’m not blaming women here. It makes sense for them to want more education, financial security, and power. But men have failed to adjust, and digital spaces have filled the void that in-person male social activities used to fill for young married men trying to get away fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:11 PM
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Men care because, when they choose not to pay, it puts them at a disadvantage to the men who are willing to pay. But when they do choose to pay, there is a chance that nothing will come of it, or that they are being used for a meal. It is also seemingly at odds with the rhetoric of equality that women like to profess. If most women are willing to pay for dates these days, then that’s great. I personally have paid, but I would not want expensive first dates, nor would I want intimacy on a first d…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:35 AM
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I really think that this is an over-generalization. Plenty of men are pro-choice, for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:33 AM
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Yeah, it is generalization, but it addresses the main general complaints that each gender has about the opposite gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:31 AM
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I don’t have any empathy for men who are not related to me. I don’t expect women to have it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:03 AM
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I don’t know. It’s like going to a gourmet restaurant because there is one particular dish that one really loves, compared to wanting to go to a buffet and trying all kinds of different foods because one just enjoys so many different kinds of foods. They are both intense cravings and loves of food, but they are just different in nature. Women need to understand that men like variety when it comes to women, and men need to understand that women get very excited about certain high quality men that…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:33 PM
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It’s more likely that many women want good looking, confident men and hope that they do not end up abusive. The women who actually like openly dangerous men are a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:03 PM
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Don’t make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:59 PM
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Women are not in a “hostage situation”. Plenty of men actually care for their girlfriends or wives. Single women often have the protection of male family members, as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:55 PM
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Not all men, but enough that this is why laws were created - not so much because men care so much about women universally, but because men do not want their wives, sisters, and daughters to be raped by random men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:53 PM
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I don’t fully agree. If those three men had some kind of obvious issues, then that majority of paired up men would not have an issue with those men staying single. Furthermore, men are naturally polygynous. A man who has no special liking for any of those single men would just want to monopolize extra women for himself rather than suggest that men whom they don’t really care for “deserve” women. Most arguments for monogamy were about social stability rather than men caring about other men. Simil…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:38 PM
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And third world people get to be compared to animals. Sure. I do not agree that poorer people are any more like animals than richer people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:44 PM
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I’m not sure if it is more gender-essentialist than it is that people try to enjoy the opportunities that they have in life. I would not be surprised if the richer women in poorer countries want fewer children, or want none of them at all, compared to the poorer women in those countries. People in many countries that have money now wanted more children when those countries were much poorer.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:38 PM
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Humans consider themselves superior to animals because animals aren't sentient. The whole fields of evolutionary biology and evolutionary psychology are studying humans as animals. These are academic fields with both male and female academics involved in them. While I think that it’s wrong to compare only western women to animals, there are a significant number of people who do think that humans, too, are subject to the same kind of animal-like behaviors that other Ai Sox are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:32 PM
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go on Grindr and they would be the object of lust like he desires. Gay men could make them him so desirable. Just forget that it's a man texting you. One could get the same thing talking to an actual woman who is from a poor country - just forget that there is a chance that she just wants your money.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:59 PM
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There are some African cultures that circumcise at puberty. Filipino culture does too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:56 PM
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They succeed by eventually having a girlfriend. Sexual surveys usually show that the average 50th percentile young man is having sex, and it is especially more likely as that man gets older. The worst it usually gets is 30% of young not having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:53 PM
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I never said they "completely hated all men," this is a bad-faith engagement of my comment. I don't think that it is. You are making it sound like women are not even attracted to men and were only marrying them before due to a lack of say in the matter, which is approaching a "comphet argument". My own position is that more men are doing things that make them less attractive, including talking badly about women in online spaces that women can read or hear about. There are factors fueling this mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:51 PM
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Most of the men I know are pretty good, but I don't have a lifestyle where I might hang out with guys who are not good. I would say that 50% of men are decent enough that I would classify them as "good". Many men have some flaws that don't make them perfect partners, much like many women do, but they are still decent guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:44 PM
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I don't know. I think that enough guys would enjoy jerking off and ejaculating on a woman that I don't really think that it's an issue if a woman cannot give a man an orgasm like what many women complain about with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:53 AM
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Men have been loudly and publicly bitching about how awful women are for millennia. Religion is one of the most obvious instances of this. Women have long known how shitty a lot of men think we are. So why did so many women want to get married before, but now many no longer do? Do you really think that the only reason this was the case in the past was just because women needed men's money but otherwise completely hated all men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:47 AM
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Women are pickier than men. The average man does not “fail” compared to the average woman. He just has a tougher time getting to the dating phase. This is because: a) men’s dating and sexual success is much more skewed than women’s (above average men do much better than average women sexually, while above average women often do only somewhat better than average women romantically, and actually have fewer sexual partners than average women. And, b) There are more bisexual women than bisexual men,…
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:37 PM
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Fixing things around the house and doing outdoor work are also “chores”. Men who do these things are more attractive to women, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:36 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:35 PM
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Any man is going to be available at some point, even if he is dating another woman already at the time. Women are hoping to be enticing enough for those good men when they do start looking for someone again, and then locking him down (somehow). So it’s not like no woman ever has a chance with even the best men. Of course, women do realize that it is difficult to lock down the best men, which is why some classic romance media are about average women who lock down attractive men who are albeit fla…
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:08 AM
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Isn’t it still celebrated in some cultures with male circumcision? Manosphere men don’t seem to like that particular celebration, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:32 PM
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I think that the main reason is to try to convince women to take a chance with less sexually attractive men (like them) rather than more sexually attractive “bad boys”.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:47 PM
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I think that most people do want to find someone compatible, so there is not a desire to always be an actor. I do think that many people often do “act” because they want to be with someone and to not be lonely, but I don’t think that anyone really wants to be an actor forever, and this is why a lot of relationships end quickly. Once people find a compatible person, then the dating world for those people is no longer “acting”. Truly compatible people can be difficult to find, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:07 PM
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That’s arguable because heterosexual men are not attracted to male bodies, male genitalia, and typical male personalities (whether these personalities are created due to biology or due to socialization.). Heterosexual and bisexual women, on the other hand, are already attracted to male bodies, genitalia, and personalities. They just are not attracted to those of many men for some reasons that a lot of men cannot understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:47 PM
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Men just want sexual partners. They see the “woman next door” exposing herself to other men as a threat to that. I don’t see it as “terrible”, even if the position is basically an attempt to limit women’s sexual freedom. I’ve explained on this sub several times that men do not have an issue with a small number of women being sexual objects. The threat of OnlyFans is that even their potential future wife is choosing to openly express her sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:39 PM
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Relationships aren’t really subject to equality though Yes, that argument can be made. But it is tough for men to accept because we base so many other principles in life on equality. Monogamy of “attractiveness matches” is also arguably ideal for social stability. Angry men are likely more of a threat than angry women. Instead, the reason that a degree of feminism is widely accepted by elites now is because women are now just as valuable to an information-based economy and one focused on lighter…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:35 PM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:51 AM
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No contentless rhetoric
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:49 AM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:46 AM
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Be civil.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:46 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:43 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:42 AM
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Men obviously care because instead of the principle of equality (the 50th percentile woman dates the 50th percentile man because that’s how monogamy works), the principle of biological sexual hypergamy is being exercised instead. Average women can have casual sex or be in soft harems with better men if they really want sexual intimacy, while average men are stuck masturbating alone unless they work really hard to improve themselves. It hardly seems better for men. An argument can be made that av…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:40 PM
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You need to either take it to Mod Mail and get another moderator to agree with you, or drop the argument here and not reply at your ad-hominem arguments. You are not going to get me to change my mind about the warning. One cannot make an argument in the manner that you did on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:54 PM
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I think it’s more because any woman whom they associate with can do it rather than that these women are self-employed. It’s not women’s empowerment that bothers them so much as it is the ease of women whom these men think that they could have a chance with instead exposing their bodies to a bunch of other men who aren’t them. Actual porn actresses are more like distant celebrities. And, as I said, they aren’t really respected much either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:52 PM
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Generalizing men’s experiences dating always seemed pointless to me, because some men have no problem finding casual sex. Some men have no problem finding girlfriends, but struggle with casual sex. Some men find less attractive girlfriends with great effort. And some men cannot find anybody. These men all have vastly different experiences with women. Women likely have it worse than the first two categories of men, but worse than the last two categories. I do think that women’s experiences can be…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:41 PM
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I don't know. I don't care about their dating woes. Women are mostly complaining to other women that there aren't any good men out there. I don't think that they are complaining to the men so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:07 AM
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Because to men, theyre losing something of value if theyre not having casual sex. Studies, especially the OkCupid study comma has shown men care a lot about looks, and many studies shows they care more than woman, its just they’ll take a 4/10 if it means sex. Yes, that is the distinction that I am trying to point out here. Men complain because women are picky about sex. And even then, that 4/10 man will date that 4/10 woman long-term for sex, and maybe even start to like her personality, get "wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:05 AM
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The last sentence of your post is what is making things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:02 AM
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No, they do not want them to stop. They shame them to tell them that there only value is for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:00 AM
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You think that men respect porn stars who are not self-employed?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:58 AM
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Some women try it and they don't like it, and I don't think that that is an issue. People often have to try something once to realize that it is not for them. But yeah, I would go to a country where women do not routinely have casual sex before I would date a woman who had it at least somewhat regularly in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:57 AM
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It does not matter whether they will date these men or not. The question is about respect. The men probably would not respect these women if they were capable of dating them, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:55 AM
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A lot of them have female friend networks. There is usually a desire to have a long-term relationship, but women who are not capable of finding a man who can give that to them for whatever reason are often fine with just giving up on men when they are older.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:54 AM
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It depends upon the individual woman how much she is willing to put up with. Women usually do have high standards when they have an actual choice to stay with a man or not, but the height of those standards is not the same for each individual woman. And some women do end up with genuinely bad men. There are a lot of them out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:52 AM
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No personal attacks
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:45 AM
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No personal attacks
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:39 AM
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I do not have casual sex, but I am not sure why someone has to have sex with someone whom they respect. I do not think every woman who engages in casual sex does this either. Some just have sex with hot guys regardless of their personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:37 AM
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No contentless rhetoric
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:35 AM
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If an average man has had casual sex with one uggo and an average woman has had casual sex with several very attractive men, I don’t think that it’s going to make him feel any better or more secure when he settles down into an eventual long-term relationship with her. It’s much better for relationship security, stability, and trust if the basically attractiveness-matched people in long-term relationships have never had casual sex with anybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:31 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:27 PM
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It’s not a contradiction if they don’t want relationships with those women, but they would have sex with those women. Sex and relationships are two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:52 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:09 PM
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They would have supported feminism because it mostly means more money for a household. What some men may not have been supported is the sexual revolution, since some men do not benefit from it as much as others. But even then, the average man still has casual sex once in a while, and sex with his eventual girlfriend sooner, because of the sexual revolution, even if they might not have sex with as many different women as higher value men do. It’s only the lowest value men who do not benefit from …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:15 PM
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Don’t make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:02 PM
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The women who do hook up, even if they are average, tend to be picky too. Studies by David Buss have shown that women emphasize certain traits in short-term partnerships that they do not in long-term ones, traits that ostensibly not as many men have. Men do not show the same kind of trait preference. They will often take short-term sex with any woman as long as she is not repulsive. Hence, as I said, your view is only true in long-term relationships, and even then I think it is only true for men…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:00 PM
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Posts that generalize both men and women are allowed on this sub. TRP is arguably misogynist. If you don’t like posts that criticize men, then feel free to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:52 PM
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Due to economic inequalities, not due to technology. A small number of people hordeing resources is not an inevitability. A works with technology is still potentially a more beneficial one for humans than a primitive one with inevitable starvation and disease because of a lack of that technology. I mean, seriously, do you want to go back to a life without farms and modern medicine and vaccines to living in caves?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:49 PM
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They are not as picky about sex is the point. Attractive men will have sex with very average women. But sure, they are often just as picky when it comes to a committed monogamous relationship, although not all men are as I think that there is more of a stigma for a man to be alone than there is for a woman to be, and men’s egos suffer more if they are not having regular sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:46 PM
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I think that it takes more willful agency to push for sex rather than to submit to it. I don’t think that it is infantilizing to a gender, either. A gay or bi person, whether male or female, can do exactly the same thing to someone of the same gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:43 PM
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most people unless they are literally and truly wired different would prefer a relationship and that's okay, just don't lie about it. I think that this is true when women are younger, but when they get older and are fed up with bad relationships, (whether the men were the cause of them or not), I really think that most of the these women are not larping a desire to be alone. They really are fed up with men, whether it’s because of actually having the bad luck of picking bad men, or because of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:40 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:03 AM
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Do not circlejerk.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:02 AM
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Do not circlejerk.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:59 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:52 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:51 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:49 AM
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They are individualistic.​ They think welfare state is free and infinite. They think resources are infinite. They think war and police are not necessary. They think being promiscuous has no consequences and men should never judge it. This paragraph addresses that somewhat. It seems like his problem is with the progressive mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:35 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:33 PM
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No personal attacks
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:32 PM
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Okay, you cannot reply to my argument with a personal attack. I am going to have to give you a formal warning.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 04:42 PM
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Saving humanity from suffering unnecessarily due to death by starvation and disease is arguably not a mistake. If one thinks that merely being alive is suffering itself, then I suppose that your argument might have merit, but I am not so gloomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 04:41 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 04:37 PM
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Do you have sources for that besides this Dr. Grande person (who I am not sure is even part of the manosphere)? I don't like to "sea lion", but this sub is a pretty good representation of manosphere men, and I do not think that most of the men here are agreeing with what you are saying, so your post is not generating much good discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:56 AM
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No "cope"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:53 AM
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I'm an older man and I do not believe that, although I could listen to an argument where someone tries to argue that men peak in their early 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:52 AM
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Manosphere men are "fighting" the best they can (although whether there should be a culture war being fought in the first place is debatable). The problem is that the media are mostly liberal and on the side of women and feminism. Even conservative media like Fox News are somewhat careful of what they say because a lot of conservative women are even offended by some points that the manosphere tries to make, although taking away abortion rights is something that conservative women do not have a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:50 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:45 PM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:41 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:38 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:36 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:34 PM
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I do not think that it is a mystery that men do not trust many men. The father not trusting the young man dating his daughter is a classic trope. Men just get offended when a woman thinks that they themselves might be one of those dangerous men. Even the suggestion that women might choose a bear over them is enough to offend some men. Nobody wants to think that they might not be trusted and respected and treated with caution at first.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:21 PM
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Taking care of children is definitely work, and it is work that some men are not willing to do, maybe even a few women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:48 PM
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No. I would not date someone who I wanted to emotionally hurt like that. On the other hand, I am not very tolerant of women's "pasts". I would rather just be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:42 PM
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There are Blue Pill men. Of course, I don’t have an issue with western men using their economic advantage to attract women who might need them more, such as the ones living in poorer countries. But I can understand if western women with the position that they are now in don’t want to put up with men who no longer impress them anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:28 PM
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If people would rather live in societies full of conflict rather than compromise and cooperation, then I can’t do much, although it saddens me since it doesn’t have to be this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:21 PM
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I do not think that this kind of reaction is widespread, though. Plenty of women report having single male friends. They do not all think that they are terrible people just because they are single, or else these men would not be their friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:17 PM
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They shouldn’t. In a society where men have not forcefully restricted women’s ability to educate themselves and to earn their own money, it is up to men to impress women if they want their romantic company. A lot of men are doing a poor job of that these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:13 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:09 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:07 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:34 AM
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If men and women are working the same number of hours, then what I see upsetting her is more that she is working even more hours when she adds in all the work at home rather than that she is seeing him relaxing. The chores obviously need to get done and the children need to be taken care of, so the man not helping to get them done when they spend the same amount of time at a full-time job is really what is bothersome, not that he has a different attitude towards relaxation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:56 PM
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Perhaps. Apparently there are still enough men happy enough to be helping out women to keep the current system in place, though, so that women can think that they don’t need “low value” men. Things might eventually change, though, although I think it would be in the form of most men just not working hard enough to try to impress women and have families rather than men actually subjugating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:50 PM
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You do realize that this is the type of rhetoric that strengthens future misogyny in the younger generations? Saying that it is okay for one gender to do something but for the other gender not to do the same thing because of “differing outcomes” only serves to anger young men because they feel like they are being discriminated against.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:40 PM
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No comments about incels
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:12 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:07 PM
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Sometimes the woman is just horny, so the preselection does not take long and is mostly influenced by male looks, charm, charisma, and connection. It is not always something planned out in advance by the woman, as women get horny too, just not as often and perhaps not as intensely as men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:06 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:59 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:52 PM
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What women do not like is the complaining, usually, especially if it seemingly targets them as the ones who are at fault. Whining is also considered not particularly masculine. It’s usually only other women who get much sympathy for it, although some women can be sympathetic if the man makes it fairly clear that women are not at fault. Otherwise, why wouldn’t women take offense if they feel like they are being attacked?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:32 PM
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Romantic relationships do restrict freedom, but only the kind of freedom that you shouldn't care about losing if you take your relationship seriously. Not all relationship partners are cool with another person living their life however they want. Many of the things men do before they are attached are considered very “man child” like by a lot of women, for instance. Being in a relationship means less freedom as a cost with the benefits of companionship, romance, consistent sex, and hopefully a go…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:28 PM
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I don’t think that a lot of women, and especially the more reasonable women, are moralizing some men’s difficulty being selected. What they are moralizing is the reaction that these men have when they are not selected.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:22 PM
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This question is all relative. It is worse having a bad job or a bad boss than having a good spouse who respects a woman and treats her well when she stays at home. It is worse being sexually assaulted or raped by one’s spouse than having any kind of job except for one where one is being sexually assaulted as part of that job. Even jobs where one’s life is at risk are better than being sexually assaulted, because the death aspect of those jobs is not a certainty. Manosphere men are frequently co…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:18 PM
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That is up to moderator judgment. Prolific mentioning of Chad is more likely to be in a woe-as-me context, though. What we are really trying to eliminate is woe-as-me rants here. Just noting the existence of high-value men who are easily successful with women does not necessarily fall into that category.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:57 PM
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Well, it is a matter of perspective. If one does not think that one’s demanding qualities need to be changed, as many women feel, then one does not need to go to therapy, and one can get away with blaming men. Men are more likely to want to try to change for women in some way, whether it is legit therapy or whether it is TRP, because they are sexually thirstier.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:54 PM
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This is true, of course, unfortunately for women. Just going to feminist spaces will show the large percentage of women who have been harassed and even assaulted by men. Very few young women say that no man has ever bothered or assaulted them. Hence, the implication is that men are not very sexually selective, although high quality men are selective when it comes to whom they decide to have a valid relationship with, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:51 PM
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If men are happy with their current partners, then I think that many of them can interact with other women in a non-sexual way. I do think most single, unattached men want sex, though, although quite a few women report having straight single male friends who have never considered them sexually. I’m skeptical, but am not going to completely discount what women say. But some the unattached men who do want sex are capable of respecting women and forming healthy relationships. Not every man is just …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:38 PM
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"Chad" predates black pill and is a part of Red Pill thought, so we allow mention of Chad as long as a user does not discuss Chad excessively or in a black pill manner (that's my view of how we have dealt with things, anyway).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:00 AM
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We usually allow mention of Chad because it is a part of Red Pill ideology, but "Chad worship" has always gotten a user temporarily banned here since it is more black pill than Red Pill. The entire idea of Red Pill is that men can develop themselves to be at least "like Chad".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:58 AM
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And I am arguing that it is not a scam because the alternative is being dependent upon men for their happiness, and many women have decided that that is a worse alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:05 PM
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The other men will, but women never cared or will care about their treatment. I don't think that is an accurate statement. One can go on social media and read about a lot of women who have basically given up on men because of how they have been treated by them and are either exploring their bisexuality or just living asexual with toys (and who do not seem to have a problem with it like men do living with just their hand).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:04 PM
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It is not a scam if the reaction from men is to get them to change their behaviors to treat women better. It is probably worth the price, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:34 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:51 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 07:09 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:07 PM
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I personally do not think that it is unless she has had casual sex experiences with better men. If so, it is possible that she will remember the sexual experiences that she had with these men and realize that the average guy just is not in the same league. She might "love" the average man more, but she possibly will not have the same "primal" lust that she had for the above average man at one time. This is one of the reasons why I tried to avoid women whom I knew had casual sex when I was single…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:26 PM
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Most Red Pill men do not want to get married, and one of the reasons that they do not want to get married is the belief that the level of sex will drop off once they do get married. I am not sure whom you are debating with here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:41 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:23 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:21 PM
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You’re welcome. I am working on figuring out how to word the rules now. While we don’t want to deny that comphet does exist in some cases, as is discussed in LGBTQ+ studies, we do want to ban the discussion of the idea that all women are affected by it so much that they are never naturally attracted to men at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:08 PM
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No, you do not have to mention specific races in order to talk about nationalities in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:58 PM
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What about a feminine looking and acting man for heterosexual men? I really do think that a lot of heterosexual women are sexually attracted to “penis”, which is analogous to one of the big differences reasons why men are attracted to women and not “feminine men” (the existence of a vagina and other secondary sexual characteristics). By the way, an announcement is likely to be made by moderators soon regarding “comphet” posts and comments. This is just black pill but worse, as users like you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:55 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:41 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:46 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:35 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:31 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:28 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:52 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:42 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:38 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:36 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:35 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:35 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:34 PM
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If I were single and she was attractive enough, then sure. Being a single mother is a “minus” rather than a dealbreaker for most men, I think, even if men try to say otherwise. Single mothers who look like models still get plenty of attention from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:32 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:16 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:09 AM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:05 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:03 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 12:58 AM
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It is inevitably going to be socially shamed, as people are certainly going to ask "what is wrong with the women in your own country that you had to go overseas to some poorer country?". Of course, it is not ethically wrong if the man treats the woman well (or vice versa in the rare cases when a woman does it), but I think that socially the zeitgeist is today that when men and women meet and become romantic it should be as equals, including as financial equals. "Unequal power dynamics" always ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 12:51 AM
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I just did. If you read the quotes above as Reddit posts, that is circlejerking. The basic principle is agreement (circlejerking) versus disagreement/clarification (debate/discussion).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:59 PM
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Yeah, of course. This is definitely clear for men if they bother reading feminist subreddits and taking them seriously. Women are constantly complaining about the men whom they are not attracted to who are approaching them or indirectly trying to attract them. What women don’t understand is that every almost every man (except the obvious jerks) who does this is putting himself out there and “making himself vulnerable”, as you say. A woman who experiences this as “bothersome” just cannot see it f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:55 PM
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If I post “women/men suck”, and another user replies “yeah, they definitely do”, that other user is performing the simplest version of circlejerking.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:50 PM
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Then you are at least admitting that passport bro’ing is an opportunity for all men to optimize partner choice (and number, apparently) when you point out that there are some “high value” men who do it. I like to point out the same thing to men on this sub. And you’ve also admitted that you can’t pre-judge them as “losers”, if 5 out of 200 of them are not that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:48 PM
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But men are expected to show a quality personality even for things like job interviews and to compete for status with other men is my point. It is one of the burdens of being a man and having a “forceful” personality, and it is therefore not “jestermaxxing” when a woman who is a potential romantic interest expects the same qualities out of a man that the rest of society does.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:42 PM
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Women are equally exhausted, especially when they can’t find men who have the emotional intelligence to actually step up and share the mental and domestic load. A lot of today’s relationship failures seem to happen before a man and woman are even cohabitating and are just in the dating phases. I think that the bigger problem is that men and women are further apart politically and one party is seeing things from a position of privilege and the other from a lack of privilege. I don’t think that an…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:39 PM
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Men have more sexual partners when one takes into account homosexual men, I am guessing. Otherwise, men and women would average the exact same number of partners if all sexual encounters were only heterosexual. Furthermore, there is likely a skew between the genders. There are men who have many more partners than the average woman, but also men who have fewer partners than the average women. These are the men who “have trouble”.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:54 PM
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This is a debate sub, not a sub for people to reply agreeing with each others’ views. There are plenty of other subs on Reddit for that. We do allow circlejerking to posts as a reply to the AutoModerator, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:48 PM
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Okay, you are mentioning one person who does not seem to be a “loser”. I am sure that other men who happen to use the “passport bro” label might not be, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:46 PM
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People in relationships generally don't genuinely love each other. Are you trying to say that love doesn’t exist? No one loves friends or family members? If people can love these people, then why can’t they love their partners, and therefore have no reason to cheat on their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:44 PM
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Consequentialist ethics really determines if this is good if not. If the woman’s life and the man’s life are both made better because of one of them being a passport bro or a passport sis, then it’s a good thing. But this isn’t always the case, so it’s not always a good thing. I do think that there are some mutually beneficial relationships that do sometimes occur, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:17 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:13 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:11 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:10 PM
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These young guys seriously think they are wanted because they are western, non stop. I blame the American idea that they are somehow superior because they are American. These women do get a better life if the wealthy foreigner treats her well. Do you think that she gets a good life if she marries a poor foreign guy with a traditional patriarchic mindset?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:04 PM
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It’s remnants of dual mating strategy, which is still a form of AF/BB. A young woman can sexually desire hot, fun young men and want material comfort at the same time. There is nothing in AF/BB that says that one necessarily has to happen after the other. It just happens this way either because there is a cultural stigma against female cheating, or because the woman is afraid of being caught. I supppse some women might not be attracted to alpha men at all and want to go directly for material com…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:45 PM
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I think that a lot of men want kids for the legacy aspect and because they enjoy spending time with them. They might not understand how much work and money having a child is before they have one, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:45 PM
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Most people don’t alter their behaviors until something happens to them, and plenty of women eventually have something happen to them involving at least male harassment. Someone’s female relatives warning them about men or just reading online stories usually isn’t enough to alter people’s behavior alone when hormones are so powerful. Most people of both genders optimistically think that things happen to other people once in a while, but won’t happen to them personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:16 PM
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Yeah sure. I think that the presence of the internet, including online porn, has made the gender war worse in many ways, not just with people of different genders arguing online.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:09 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:38 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:32 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:20 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:08 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:03 PM
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Initial attraction is based on appearance, and a lot of women on social media will openly say things like “why are there so many attractive women but so few attractive men?”. So the answer a woman gives really depends upon whether women think that men can improve their appearance based upon things like better wardrobes and better haircuts, or whether women actually think that men are less attractive than women no matter what they do. Of course, charisma is attractive to women too, and it is deba…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:52 PM
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I agree that most feminists are not radical. I just think that one is seeing a rise of more radical feminists that express ideas like a matriarchy being better than a patriarchy. Gen Z young women seem much less tolerant about just accepting the present way things are run economically and politically.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 11:57 PM
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A person bringing up their personal life does not give another user the privilege to make negative comments about them. That is not what this sub is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:39 PM
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I think that radical feminism is much more accepted now than it has been before. Feminism is moving away from more liberal, sex positive interpretations and focusing on things such as women not doing things for the "male gaze". This whole dynamic is arguably set up by a patriarchic system that exploits women, which is why some women suggest replacing this system with a matriarchy instead. Just reading enough feminist posts from women on social media will show this. I do not think that I have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:38 PM
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Neither. People are just more naturally tolerant based upon economic circumstances. Since more women can earn enough money for themselves and be independent, they are naturally less tolerant of the differences that they have with many men. It really has nothing to do with brainwashing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:34 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:45 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:32 PM
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I do not really care. There are certainly women online talking about replacing the patriarchy with a matriarchy. You can choose to not believe me if you want. Here is a Wikipedia link of the women in academia who have discussed it, at any rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:17 PM
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I am curious. You will have to elaborate. You are saying that lesbians get upset when another lesbian will not have sex with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:15 PM
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I did not see enough of the context to see that it was under the AutoModerator. Your warning has been removed and the comment restored.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:13 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:57 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:56 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:21 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:26 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:19 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:15 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:11 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:08 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:02 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 07:00 PM
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I think that there are plenty of women these days who are fine with 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:41 PM
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Wherever you got it from, you still can’t direct it towards another user.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:39 PM
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Yeah, I don’t collect links. One can find it in various social media if one searches.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:38 PM
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I don’t think that people are addicted to it as you think. Most people don’t want more “AI productivity”. Most people don’t want more environmental destruction for the sake of “progress”. And many people (especially women) don’t want to have and raise children in an economy where it is so expensive to have them. Thus, destroying some of the incentives is probably justified until we get a fairer, less destructive system in place.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:33 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:23 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:21 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:17 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:11 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:08 AM
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I do think that heterosexual men get more upset at women when women do not want to have sex with them. There is no real equivalent of heterosexual men getting upset at other men and then treating them worse for some reason - perhaps if he broke some kind of "bro code" like having sex with a guy's ex-girlfriend or something like that. But that is rarer than a man being denied sex by a woman. Instead, a lot of men take things out on women whom they see as not wanting to have sex with them for what…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:48 AM
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If you cannot follow the rules of this sub then you will likely be temporarily banned soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:34 PM
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It’s not the Arsenal stuff that was problematic. It was the second sentence of your comment. You can’t make things personal towards other users here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:33 PM
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It only takes one person in a poor neighborhood to rob you. Yet, only the most naive people are not going to take precautions in a poor neighborhood just because they don’t want their actions to be considered “discriminatory”.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:32 PM
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Plenty of people have met in social third spaces, especially in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:30 PM
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That’s not what making things personal means. Users are allowed to make generalizations about genders in this sub. That is essentially what The Red Pill is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:28 PM
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I think that they want to be seen more as equal partners these days rather than traditional “wife material”.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:27 PM
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I don’t see a lot of feminist women resisting the idea of having power over men. I’ve seen all kinds of material about women wanting to get rid of the patriarchy and replacing it with a matriarchy.
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/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:55 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:52 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:45 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:42 AM
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I think that reasonable men understand that women don’t want to be approached in places where they are either busy with non-social activities or in situations that are potentially dangerous. I think that what some men don’t like is women not wanting to be approached in every possible social situation in public where it used to be more acceptable for men to approach, such as in bars or clubs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:22 PM
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Taking precautions is different than making policy decisions based upon dogma. Nobody thinks that it is controversial to take precautions in a poor neighborhood because some but not nearly all of the people in that neighborhood might commit a crime against one. What is controversial is making actual policy decisions that discriminate against certain groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 12:52 PM
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There is nothing "wrong" with it. The message is more for the men to know that they are not getting their sexual best from a woman, not towards women telling them that they are doing something wrong, although I personally think that either men or women having casual sex is not a good thing. However, af/bb can happen within the context of actual relationships when a woman is younger, as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:18 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:14 AM
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I think that it’s one of those things annoying men randomly approaching at inappropriate times and then being overly persistent or even aggressive probably ruined instead. Yes, only a small number of men are like that. And yes, sometimes only a small number of people can ruin things for a majority of people by not acting responsibly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:48 PM
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No. I like gifts a lot. I’m not sure why some men might not like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:42 PM
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I imagine that if I were a heterosexual woman I would be attracted to men whom I consider physically attractive, who seem to treat people well, and who have interests and goals that agreed with my own, regardless of what kind of attention that man received from other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:32 AM
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That was a pretty contentless rejection. You will have to challenge it in Mod Mail and get a different moderator to agree with you if you want the warning removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:29 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:45 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:26 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:20 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:19 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:18 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:11 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:05 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:02 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:58 PM
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I never said that it is not her fault, which is why when a man starts using terms like "wife material", she should get as far away from that man as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:50 PM
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Yes, it definitely is because women are very picky about what they want in a man. A lot of men are going to eventually match with a woman, but it often takes a while to find that woman who is a man's match. If a man concentrates on just one woman, there is still a really good chance that she is not going to be into him due to her inherent pickiness. That is why men need to do things like play numbers games.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:47 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:44 PM
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Women don't like being used for sex, though, along with being used for domestic skills, which is what "wifey material" implies. It is the same as men not liking being used for resources and emotional support rather than not getting the full package of sexual desire from the woman, as well. It is basically the same thing for both genders, but in reverse.
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:25 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:17 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 12:31 AM
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It is more adventurous so it is more pleasurable. There is less novelty with the less kinky sex, so while it still feels good, it is not as exhilarating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 12:23 AM
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Well sure. I wouldn't complain. I would just leave if I felt like I was not getting the best effort from a woman. All men should, and no man should feel afraid to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 12:22 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:59 PM
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Of course most men find vanilla sex as somewhat fun, but they think that kinky sex is more fun, and they therefore don't want to hear about a woman whom they are interested in giving a better time to another man than they are receiving. It makes them feel inferior to that man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 03:22 PM
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Women's bodies and sex acts shouldn't be seen as a quest to conqure. That is not how many men see it. They see kinky sex as having a more enjoyable time with that woman. So if one man was able to have a more enjoyable time with a woman than they were, then men see that man as having been treated better. Men see sex as a fun activity like any other activity that a man and woman might do on a date, and I do not think that is an unfair way of looking at sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 03:18 PM
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All of this assumes that the unselected men are good men themselves. If most men are poor selections, though, then many women are not going to be able to help from selecting poor quality men in their quest to find a good man just based upon probability alone. In fact, what one sees is young women just "giving up" early precisely because they believe that most men are poor quality selections, whether they are outwardly attractive or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 03:14 PM
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A lot of women who do not to date men or reproduce don't want to somehow save society in the first place because they think it is patriarchal and oppressive. Maybe if the men in charge started listening to these women's demands western women might not play so "hard to get".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 03:11 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 03:05 PM
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I have known women who were rarely approached by men, and when they were, the man obviously just wanted easy pump and dump sex. I would not say that any woman who is only approached by men who want sex is "advantaged", and it is male solipsism to think that these women somehow are, since pump and dump sex is not desirable for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 03:01 PM
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The comments here make me laugh. It is more than just safety and assurance of orgasm that is making women not choose certain men for casual sex. Looks, charisma, and status all matter quite a bit. I was a nerdy "safe" guy and hung out with a bunch of other nerdy "safe" guys when I was young and women were definitely not lining up to have casual sex with us.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 04:22 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:50 PM
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Probably good advice - not because women aren’t human, but because there are sides that a man will often show around his guy friends that he probably doesn’t want to show around a woman whom he is trying to attract. I think that a lot of men make this mistake and therefore come across as insensitive to women. Women really do expect something from men than what other men expect from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:54 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:14 PM
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I think that less attractive women who know that they can’t lock down a more attractive man do like the humor, though. But sure, more attractive women who can attract a man who doesn’t need humor to supplement his already attractive qualities are probably going to disdain less desirable men “trying too hard” to be funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:09 PM
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A “traditional woman” does get a living space and food, so I wouldn’t say that it is the unpaid, although whether that covers the cost of the labor provided is a separate argument. A lot of parents in the old days wanted to marry their daughters off because it meant one less person to house and to feed.
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/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:28 AM
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Some men who try to have random conversations with women are so bad at it that they immediately get creepshamed. Another problem these days is that so many women just do not want to be talked by strangers whom they do not immediately find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:29 AM
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But PUA still isn't "practice", though. It is coming up with tactics in one's head and then trying them out on women. Practice would be more like either having a female friend to roleplay lines with, or doing it with some online AI image. Just having friends is somewhat of practice, and having specifically female friends helps even more, but it is still not the same thing as real practice, as specifically having the attributes that make one attractive is different than just being a friend to som…
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Sounds good. But how does one actually practice socializing with women for the purpose of seduction? Even the guys who are already very good at this by the time they are young adults probably didn’t actually practice much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:01 PM
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But for actual serious relationships I think that men tend to have a type usually. Men won’t just commit time involved not having sex and their resources to any woman. For women those same calculations are made, except they involve sex too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:25 PM
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Women still have the innate desire to not share a man, though. And not every woman is only attracted to the same one “Uber-Chad” man in the world. Just seeing old rock band backstage dynamics shows one how this works. Just because the lead singer might be the most well-known member of the band did not mean that the guitarist or drummer did not have sex with some groupie too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:20 PM
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If skill was the main factor, then toxic, abusive, immature, and socially dysfunctional men would not consistently succeed with women either. Those men do have skills though. Perhaps this post is just mistitled. Of course not everybody who was ever able to attract a woman has been a good person. But they have all had some kind of skill to do such. Whether it is right to judge someone who does not have the ability to do this as a bad person is a different argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:16 PM
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A man who can’t attract women does not have the skills to attract women, so it is a skill issue. This does not necessarily mean that he is a bad person, but it does mean that he lacks certain skills at this particular endeavor compared to other men. Yes, some men do need to put in more work than others, but it ultimately still comes down to skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:24 PM
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I don’t even think that Red Pill manosphere believe this. What they usually say is that women are “Chadsexual”, which is much different from being asexual. But really, women are just sexually hypergamous rather than only being attracted to Chads. If a man is not a recipient of attraction from any women at all, if only means that he is very unattractive to women in comparison to most other men, not that heterosexual women’s sexuality is somehow limited.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:20 PM
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Only women have types? Don’t men have them too? Except that men are less restrictive about whom they would have casual sex with rather than an actual relationship? I imagine that women create their types whom they are sexually attracted to similarly to how men create their types that they are relationship-attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:29 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 12:05 AM
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If you say so. Us heterosexual men always hear the stories about men who rack up ridiculously high body counts. But I am not gay so I wouldn’t know. If you’re right, then there must be just some unique quality among even very attractive heterosexual men in cultures around the world that make them want to have a high number of female partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:48 PM
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I think that most of the Blue Pillers here suggest that men make friends amongst themselves and pursue alternative interests rather than “go crazy”. The predominant Blue Pill view here seems to be that there it is the lack of viable alternatives that makes men “crazy”, not that they do not have access to women’s bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:43 PM
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Well, I like socially awkward women because I’m socially awkward myself. And, from my experience, socially awkward women are more likely to tolerate the quality in men (although they don’t usually want him to be equally or more socially awkward as herself). But I can see why a non-socially awkward women isn’t going to desire the trait in a man. Since women don’t “need” men and often have many sexual options if they do decide that they want a man, they can afford to be picky in ways that men who …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:17 PM
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At no point is the woman specifically desiring the man. But the traits that make him successful are part of his personality: ambition, confidence, charisma, etc. So they are desiring him. I’m not sure what these traits are that a woman is supposed to desire that men are upset that she is not desiring. Women even like it if a man does volunteer work and gives to charities, so that would even cover the “niceness” aspect. If you ask me, because women are more likely to judge a man based upon his ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:12 PM
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Men who are into men aren’t usually that picky about other men either, from what I’ve heard. It seems obvious from the replies here that the selectivity is almost solely women choosing men, and that selectivity is likely the result of what could happen if a woman makes a bad choice. The problem that men usually have is when women choose dangerous but otherwise attractive men. I personally don’t think that all women do this, and women will rightly tell men that even men who come across as mild-ma…
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/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:17 AM
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They are the same root word. How are they not the same thing? I can't read a woman's or gay man's mind to know what they find attractive, so all I can go by is thinking that something does not look geometrically displeasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:37 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:22 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:21 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:13 AM
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Come on. Lots of women like a penis if it’s from the right guy. From what I’ve heard, when it’s from the right guy, it feels really good inside their vaginas.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:46 PM
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Some men are attractive to women or can become so. The whole point of TRP is to learn how to become attractive to women, for instance. The nihilism in your post is kind of disturbing to me. Many men are happy with their female partners and do have regular, enjoyable sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:35 PM
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No, many men are attractive enough to make women want to reproduce with them. Humans are animals, hence humans are life, and life, in the form of genes, has an interest in reproducing itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:32 PM
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A lot of men can still attract women, though. “Giving up” is an admission of physical, social, and status inferiority to these other men. Most men do not like the psychological feeling of admitting that they are inferior to other men, which opens them up to mockery, whether open or behind their backs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:31 PM
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I’m not either. My point is that acting superior and playing hard to get with women does not work because the inherent demand is not there. The ways to fix the problem for men involves increasing supply, or increasing demand from women. OP’s post proposes neither of these solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 03:50 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 02:14 PM
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None of this works because women do not really need men anymore. Their sex drive is just not so great that they need to put up from why kind of crap from men, and many women are attracted enough to other women to date them instead as an alternative. A more realistic solution would probably be for more men who are of a sexual nature to actually explore their bisexual tendencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 02:11 PM
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I don’t find any men attractive. That’s why I’m heterosexual. I can judge things like “that actor’s face looks symmetrical and none of his facial features look strange”. But that’s not attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:17 PM
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Well, I wouldn’t call him that, but I think that a lot more men are like your husband than one might think. Most of the men who I know get along well with their spouses or partners, and conflicts tend to be about things like chore responsibility rather than outright mistreatment or disrespect.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:15 PM
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Yeah. Mature discussions should be had with the men rather than more hate and over-generalizing all men as terrible people. I don’t support misogyny, of course, but one cannot deny that women have made a lot of progress pursuing their rights in socially acceptable ways. It’s a bad thing to possibly throw those rights away by just making the other side hostile towards you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:11 PM
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You can’t make things personal towards other uses though. If you want to challenge the warning you’ll need to take it to Mod Mail.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:08 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:07 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:56 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:51 PM
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If a Chad pumps and dumps a woman, then he is going to be considered low quality because his behavior discourages women from entering the dating market. But if Chad commits, then he will be considered high quality. Anything that encourages a woman to be a part of the dating market is subjectively going to be considered “high quality”. Anything that discourages her from being it, whether it is a man who is “chopped” from the very beginning, or a good-looking man who eventually doesn’t provide wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:52 PM
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Do you believe that misandry will improve misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:48 PM
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So you believe that every man hates women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:46 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:27 PM
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what issues do women have in dating on average? Maybe there really are a lot of low quality men out there. Your post doesn’t really consider this possibility.
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:21 PM
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Actually talking to someone and “advertising” without talking are two different things. It would be the same if a guy worked out and posted shirtless pictures on social media, or worked out with no shirt on, but then did not talk to any of the women (or guys, if he is bisexual) who showed interest in him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:35 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:10 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:09 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:46 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:45 AM
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It is, and has long been considered such on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:04 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:58 PM
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You used "you" and the last part of the comment was specifically directed at that user.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:12 PM
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I can assure you that anything about race is removed, at least by me. Passport bro'ing is not about race because one can passport bro in any country.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:11 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:05 PM
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I do not think your reply disagrees with the spirit of the post about women romanticizing the "wrong" things.
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:29 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:25 PM
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How is it bad when average people like their average lives? It seems like a sign of being psychologically well-adjusted, in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 11:08 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 11:03 PM
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I think that this is an over-generalization of all men. Many men have female friends who they see as people, and many men do not mind of a woman has had boyfriends in the past. In fact, many men prefer a woman with some sexual experience because she will know what she is doing in bed. What does bother a lot of men, though, is when they know that they are having to wait for sex longer than other men have. Most men also have a "limit" on how previously promiscuous that they want a partner to have …
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:46 AM
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Misandry is more accepted than misogyny - because it is considered punching up rather than punching down, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:54 PM
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Yes. I’ve made my speech before about how we are all seem to be happy with our average houses and cars when we might prefer mansions and private jets.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:29 PM
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Not really. I think that it’s fairly obvious that men are as emotional as women. They just process emotions differently and like to put a veneer of logic over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:28 PM
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If a guy is having regular sex then he usually doesn’t care all that much. It is preferable to being alone. I guess an even better question to ask men would be would you rather be with a very attractive woman who settles for you, or a very average woman who is an enthusiastic partner. But the most important thing will always be the sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:26 PM
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Isn’t your “case” also unproven? It’s certainly undeniable that male and female sexuality work differently. There are evolutionary reasons for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:23 PM
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It’s not blame, it’s biology. We cannot choose how nature makes us. Certainly men with polygynous impulses are not perfect either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:21 PM
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There are a lot of men who have female friends. Friendship between men and women does exist. This proves that not all men see women as “soulless Barbie dolls”.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:20 PM
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What is difficult to understand? Men do not have sex as easily as women do. If a woman sleeps with a man right away, then he’s very attractive. If she sleeps with him right away and has never done so with any other men, then he’s ultra attractive. If she’s making him wait though, but then she eventually has sex with him, then he’s just an average guy. Men ideally do not want to be “average guys”.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:19 PM
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It’s an unconscious thing. Average girls start by having celebrity crushes. Then they become women and yearn for that high value man (whether they let him pump and dump her or not), and then finally unconsciously convince themselves that average Brad is their dream guy. This is the normal state of things. When something happens otherwise, such as almost all men becoming distasteful to some Gen Z women, then it’s an aberration.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:15 PM
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This is because a lot of men just assume that every woman will have sex with the right man right away these days. Unfortunately, this is one of the consequences of casual sex becoming normalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:10 PM
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It’s not to sexually picky women, which is one reason why TRP says that 80/20 exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:17 PM
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Because I’m trying to point out one kind of “ick” judgment that women make. There are many more. Women are way pickier than men are. They just think that their reasons are justified but that men’s are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:16 PM
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That’s just a friendship. It’s easy to make female friends. So of course I’d choose the “rather be alone” choice. I think that 80/20 only applies to casual sex, though. Most women (at least they used to in my day) drop their standards so they can have relationships and families. Perhaps women are not doing this so much anymore, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:13 PM
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I don’t think that men should call any woman “bad” for making every man wait. Men who believe that are logically inconsistent and should be called out for that, even by other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:22 PM
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Probably. But many men don’t have a ton of sexual options lining up for them, and many men measure their worth based upon the ability to attain sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:21 PM
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A woman should have a low or zero n-count, but immediately jump on his cock within three dates and only after they get on in bed will he deign to agree to be her boyfriend (of course no way we are talking marriage). Sure. I think that it’s everyone’s fantasy to have someone who has loved only him or her. I see posts from women on social media where women actually say that a body count of one is the worst thing for a man, because it means that he is still focused on his ex rather than her. The ph…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:16 PM
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I do not prefer submissive women. When did I ever say that? Being feminine does not equal being submissive. It does mean not being crass and overly aggressive, though, in my opinion. In fact, I have openly stated many times my belief in egalitarianism for men and women. I do not like the idea of a patriarchy, nor do I like the idea of a matriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:35 PM
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Well sure. If a guy is so into anal that he can’t date a woman who won’t have it, regardless of the reason, then he should move on. The problem is that men often do not have a lineup of women sexually interested in them. So, in their minds, they often can’t afford to be as picky. So if a woman really does not want anal sex, and the guy is attracted to her for other reasons, there could be an argument made that he should be willing to give her a chance if she is willing to do other kinky things w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:33 PM
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Quite a few men prefer women on the more inexperienced dude for relationships because a) they know that they are not being compared to as many men and b) because it is supposedly a sign to them of greater sexual loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:29 PM
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Women don’t really know, but could read cues based upon his treatment of her in order to determine. It is why some savvy women often do not sleep with men whom they are attracted to right away when if, in an ideal world, they might want to. They want to make sure that they are not in the “just for fun” category where they end up just getting pumped as dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:27 PM
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Way too long. But I’ll argue this one point, which seems to be the essence of what you’re saying I bring this up not to disprove that women want men of high status, but to argue for a null hypothesis which is that men and women always want to marry up (in terms of looks or wealth) as much as possible, and as semi-rational actors, they are only limited by their options. Red Pill sexual hypergamy is about women just not being attracted at all to men who are lesser or equal than them. Men who are l…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:24 PM
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The answer is fairly obvious. Most men want women to have quick sex with them if the women are relationship material, but not to have had it with other men. If a woman is “just for fun”, though, then it doesn’t matter how many men she slept with before. In fact, if she has slept with more men, then she is likely better in bed. The dual categories that men place women into seems to be something that needs to be explained a lot here. Don’t women who are into casual sex sometimes do this for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 11:42 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:36 AM
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So it is patriarchy for older women to consider men who are the age of their own children to be like children? That is an interesting position.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:32 AM
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I would not ever reject someone for trying something once, not liking it, and never wanting to do it again. I would probably but not definitely reject someone who is not normally a kinky person, but who did a bunch of kinky things with a boyfriend in the past who pressured her into it. The reason for rejecting her would not be so much because she is not being kinky for me, though, but because her inability to say no to a man is a red flag, or her inability to leave a man who is pressuring her in…
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They aren’t into younger men, though. They usually consider them “kids”. So your comment would seem to suggest that older women are not attracted to men at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:35 PM
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Many women have more than one child after having their first. Unless you argue that these women are all being coerced, it shows that these women still want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:29 PM
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It does not. If you wish to challenge the warning, then you will need to take it up in Mod Mail.
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/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:01 PM
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I did not. But I still call myself one because I eventually developed a lack of interest in western women while interacting with foreign ones from more traditional countries. I also do not think that it is Red Pilled to be a passport bro. Red Pill thinks that all women are basically the same (“treat all guns as if they are loaded”). I do not believe that and believe that cultural influence plays a big part in the character of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:00 PM
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It factors in money, which is kind of irrelevant unless one goes overseas. Most young American women have enough of their own money that it does not negate a relative distaste for older men. I’m addition, money is a “beta” rather than an “alpha” quality. It won’t engender more sexual attraction.
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/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:33 PM
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I do think that she owes the same level of kinkiness, though, even if there are acts she tried in the past that she didn’t like. If she was kinky with some guy in the past but is just plain vanilla with her current guy, then what self-respecting man would want that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:30 PM
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Does having sex with someone you know isn’t in to you feel the same as being with a woman who tells you how much she wants you? I have no idea. This would involve paying for a prostitute, which I would never do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:28 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:59 PM
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Men clearly aren’t happy about this trend at all but they also don’t seem willing to sweeten the deal at all Men are willing to. It’s just that many don’t know what to do to sweeten the deal. Many men run Red Pill like game thinking that what women want is masculinity. Many men looksmaxx because they think that is what women value most. It is just that western women are not clear what truly attracts them, and men feel lost because of it. It is only men who go their own way or who passport bro wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:42 PM
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If a woman told me that she had kinky sex with another man in the past but that she would not ever have it with me, for whatever reason, then I would be upset even if I had no desire at all for that kinky sex. It’s insulting knowing that a partner was willing to treat someone else better regardless of what one’s own needs are.
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:20 AM
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The happiest and most well-adjusted men are usually the ones in good relationships or marriages. The second happiest are the ones who can manage to find short-term sexual partners regularly. Single men lacking sexual opportunities usually are not all that happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:30 PM
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Women didn't "lie" to men or mislead men. Men have always known it took more than "nice". Any man who cries about being lied to is just engaged in the whining of a child who wants special rules for them alone. No, I don’t agree. I think that the default thinking in men is that, if they are a nice person, then they at least deserve their “looksmatch”, because we are socialized to believe in things like equality and perfect monogamy and that there is someone out there for everybody. When men learn…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:28 PM
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Then you have to know that the open hostility that exists now was not as present in the past. There were many more love songs and romantic movies in the past. The emphasis was on finding a partner while still young and living happily ever after rather than pursuing more personal goals that do not necessarily involve a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:23 PM
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You’re taking about outliers here. Most of the experiences that the typical man has had with female relatives growing up are pleasant ones. “Mama’s boys” exist for a good reason, and a lot of women do see their ideal future partner in some ways as an extension of their mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:20 PM
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But technology and relatively less expensive travel makes it easier to become one, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:18 PM
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I disagree and think that it is natural for any organism to want to perpetuate itself. One is being unscientific thinking that humans naturally want to off themselves by not having children. I do think that our capitalist system and the high costs of having children as well as the desire for “luxury experiences” that often cannot be experienced as easily by having children put off many people from having children. I think that this contributes even more to childlessness than people not liking th…
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I agree that men should not be polygynous as a way to appease women, although I think that it is natural to do so, just as it is natural for a woman to constantly look for better partners than her current one if he does not fully satisfy her. Unfortunately many men enjoy sexual variety like someone might enjoy sampling many foods at a buffet restaurant. I don’t think that it’s bad on its surface, but it’s understandable why many women are hurt by it. David Buss writes about how the genders often…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:13 PM
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From the Wikipedia article: Another experiment in the study found adults' attitudes were measured based on their reactions to categories associated with sexual relations. It revealed that among men who engaged more in sexual activity, the more positive their attitude towards sex, the larger their bias towards women. A greater interest in and liking of sex may promote automatic preference for the out-group of women among men, although both women and men with sexual experience expressed greater li…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:03 PM
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I am not absolving women of blame. Women likely know that men need them more than they need men (at least these days when the advantages of having a male partner are minimal), so they know that their approach works and is therefore "practical".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:54 PM
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Yeah, I replied to another user about this already. Once again, here is the Wikipedia article about it, so you know that it is not me pulling the idea out of thin air. Yes, there are nasty women in media, but they are treated as outliers. Socialization in the past seems to promote the idea that women are mostly good people, and women's higher agreeableness compared to men, whether this is genetic or socialized, seems to contribute to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:52 PM
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Young men seem to often think that what women really want is just a happy relationship. As I already said, they do not understand that women have two different standards for short-term versus long-term relations with the opposite sex. I think that a lot of this has to do with media socialization. These days, young men are becoming more aware of women's "dual" nature than they were in the past, (thanks to mostly the internet, in my opinion), which is why ideas such as looksmaxxing are becoming so…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:49 PM
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I see unattractive people in public who are in apparently happy relationships all the time. Do you not ever see this?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:43 PM
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Yes, you are right. Women put up with a lot of crap from men in the past that they are no longer putting up with. But it does mean that men develop a lesser opinion of women in the process, too. It is why communication between the genders is so important in order to combat misogyny and misandry. And I also agree that the harms that bad men inflict on women are much worse than the harms that bad women inflict on men, but that does not change the idea that many men no longer see women as all that …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:42 PM
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You will have to be more specific. Yes, I am a married passport bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:38 PM
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Here is the short Wikipedia article about it, so you know that I am not pulling the idea out of my ass and that it is well-established in psychology. I think that it is partly positive attitudes towards mothers as you suggest, but also because women tend to be more socialized to be agreeable. It is interesting to see if this effect will go away now that women are tending to be much more disagreeable in social media spaces now than they ever were in the past. I think that an argument can certainl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:37 PM
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Sure, but I do not think most men are telling other men about how they "banged" their wife or their female FWB. Rough sex language for the purpose of mutual arousal and language intended to degrade women as conquests are two different things, even if the words used can sometimes be the same. I do not think that the former is what OP is referring to in her complaint about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:31 PM
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Madonna/whore complex is not a new idea. While not all men actually have a complex about it, I do think that men tend to view short-term encounters with women and long-term encounters very differently. Women have different views of them too, as shown in evolutionary psychology research and in the TRP pop psychology of idea of AF/BB, but I do not think that they view these encounters as differently as men do, and that many women are secretly hoping that their short-term partners end up becoming h…
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:19 PM
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Women's approach is very practical. Labor strikes do often work. This approach definitely works as there are fewer sources for "alternative labor" for men to "strike break" when it comes to dating compared to in the labor market. Passport bros are the only ones who seek a solution like this, but traveling to another part of the world is not a convenient solution and has its own complications independent of the quality of the women in those other places. Trying to tell women that their approach t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:17 PM
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This is a big reason why women will tell a man that it’s mainly his personality that’s making dating hard for him. If your only options are terrible women, shallow women, or women who make you feel like a jester, that does not prove women are terrible. It does mean that a lot of women are not wonderful, though, which counteracts the general societal belief that women are generally wonderful. If a man was socialized from childhood to believe that all women are wonderful, then his problems and tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:00 PM
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Well, the issue is dating the ones who have a phase where they sleep with only alphas quickly. I do not think that all women around the world do this, though, which is one big reason why I object to TRP’s over-generalization of the supposed nature of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:52 PM
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I’m pretty sure that men are not telling women that they want women with good Christian values when they go to parties or bars to sleep with women for the night. Men pretty obviously have different standards when it comes to casual encounters versus relationships. It is not so obvious to men that women do when they openly always tell men that they want nice men and are never just in the mood to bang some hot douchebag. This is why Red Pill has to come up with concepts like AF/BB in order to educ…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:50 PM
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Most men think that they at least deserve a “looksmatch”, and that, logically, a 6 woman should be attracted to a 6 man and a 4 woman should be attracted to a 4 man and so on. As a guy, I know how men think. And when “mid” women complain about men or, even worse, complain about being mistreated by a higher value man, then it makes sense for mid men to think that they are the ones who deserve the mid woman, and that said woman is stupid for thinking that a higher value man isn’t just going to use…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:41 PM
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Are women really that honest now? Back when I was dating no woman would say these things openly because it made them seem shallow and superficial. If women do not really care about being seen as shallow and superficial anymore, then maybe OP is wrong in his assumptions about women trying to hide their "true nature".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:54 PM
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I think that this makes some sense because one has to be with someone for a long period of time in order to notice a pattern of self-serving behaviors. One cannot usually detect narcissism in one date, or perhaps even several. Narcissism does not usually bother women until a man's self-serving behaviors start to not benefit her anymore and begin to only benefit him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:52 PM
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I think that, because sex, at least sex where men do not have to pay for it, is so difficult to have, men often consider the act of accomplishing having sex with a woman a "conquest". This is especially true if the man does not have any kind of friendship towards the woman or does not feel particularly drawn to her personality enough to want to make her a permanent love interest. It's therefore natural to some men to want to use somewhat violent language to symbolize this sexual conquest, especi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:48 PM
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It is obviously not fine to many women when I say that my "type" is women from developing countries. Many, but not all, women seem to start having an issue with this. Furthermore, when a man who is a passport bro says that women in his own country are not preferable, he gets accused of having a poor personality because he is "insulting women".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:09 AM
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I do not think that all western women are bad. I have had American female friends in the past. I just think that it is easier for a man in a developing country to both a) find a woman with attractive qualities and b) have that attractive woman be attracted to him in return.
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:04 AM
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I think so. Ideally both the man and the woman should be "simping" for each other. That's what it was like in the limerence phase for all of my relationships.
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/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:19 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:06 PM
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Just dont turn around and blame the entire female population for not caring about morals. You are choosing a dating pool where morals were never the main standard. You don’t seem to understand that these men view all women like this. Women who aren’t like this are “unicorns”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:34 PM
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Men in general seem to have an attitude of there being a time for fun and a time for seriousness. It applies to things like fatherhood versus messing around with women just as much as it applies to being a hard worker versus enjoying one’s hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:31 PM
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It is not like I hold political beliefs that are anti-woman. I believe in equality of the genders. I am just not attracted to women who I believe act like men, just like how some women might not be attracted to men who are shorter than them. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:19 AM
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Okay, if it is a far right biased poller then it is probably bogus. It does seem that the narrative "do we need to fear the femosphere?" seems designed to stoke hate. When I asked AI, it still says that, based upon other surveys, a majority of young women still are looking for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:17 AM
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Unfortunately it is behind a paywall, so it is hard for me to judge the truth of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:04 AM
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Obviously it is kind of a sliding scale. A date shouldn't seem like "work" or a job interview, though. If this is the case, then one of the two people is probably dating out of his or her league, although in the woman's case, she is more likely to just be pumped and dumped. I am not absolving men of all blame for abusing power when placed in situations where they are way above the woman's level in attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:02 AM
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If western women do not want to be insulted then they should try to appeal to western men more. I see a lack of that happening these days, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:00 AM
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It doesn't really matter. I just know what I am attracted to and it is not crassness and aggression. What I am attracted shouldn't matter to western women, anyway. I'm just some "loser" who went overseas to "exploit" women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:57 AM
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I don't think that he got the statistics exact, but here is the video from The New Statesmen so that we can stop starting to become uncivil in this post. It seems that the percentages are 72% versus 35% based upon what I read from AI summaries and other Reddit posts, and it was a survey of British men and women. I would link the actual article, but it is behind a paywall.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:54 AM
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Just a crass way of speaking and acting in general. I see the style of speaking on this sub all the time, and I see young western women acting like it in social media. Seriously, if I wanted to date someone who acted like a man, I would date a man. Women should act more feminine. I think that a lot of less discerning men just do not care, though, as long as they still have sex with them, and as quickly as possible. A big reason why men are getting so mad at western women is because they are stil…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:10 PM
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I don't see the problem with having preferences. Women have them too, and are even more insulting towards the men who do not meet them. If a man is rejected enough times by the women whom he is actually attracted to in his own country, then it just makes perfect sense for him to go somewhere where he not rejected as much. And it is not necessarily about being rejected by all women, either. A men can attractive more attractive women in developing countries, even if he can still attract less attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:02 PM
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That is not how it works. A man can attract more attractive women from developing countries with the same resources than he can from developed countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:57 PM
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Then all of your comments are going to be removed if they are reported, because most (all?) of the moderators here do not know Spanish and cannot properly moderate your comments, and we have no desire to have to translate every post or comment that is submitted in a foreign language. If no one reports them, though, then moderators are not likely to see them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:54 PM
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No. I think that men have to do this with women whom they are perfectly compatible with too when it comes to things like personality and interests. The reason men have to do this is due to relative attractiveness levels rather than compatibility. If a man is a 6 and he is dating a 6, then he is going to have to be a jester and dance through hoops, because that woman knows that there are other 6s out there whom she can attract. If he is dating a 4, though, then she is going to chase him and he is…
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/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 11:38 PM
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I don’t think that “wife material” is as important as just finding a woman who still acts like a woman. A lot of western women basically act like men now, and it’s not very attractive to a western man who has the resources to explore other options. If a woman wants to have a job and wants to split chores then whatever. She just needs to act like a feminine woman. I know some men want subservient women, but I think that equality is important.
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/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:30 PM
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I guess. Sex is pretty fun, though. And prostitution is expensive, illegal in many places, and not as fun since the woman isn’t usually attracted to the guy (plus she’s a prostitute who has been with dozens of other men).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:26 PM
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Most Blue Pill women will tell you that looks or status matter when pressed. They only emphasize personality because it is assumed that men should know as a given that they need to present themselves well. As for abusing a man’s looks in social media comments, I don’t know anything about this particular emiru situation, but it’s a common female tactic when it was more status than looks that caused the attraction. Even if the guy has model tier looks there are going to be women calling him “chopp…
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Men have always been fairly bad, of course. I have plenty of stories of badly behaving men in my youth. Like I said, I think that they are only slightly worse. I blame mostly the internet and the lack of good male role models growing up for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:21 PM
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Women like Sabrina Carpenter and Sydney Sweeney are criticized all the time for “catering to the male gaze”. It’s pretty ubiquitous on social media. Both men and women heavily criticize women for their sexuality (sometimes for different reasons), while it is only women complaining about male sexuality. Even for non-celebrity women, even though women are supportive to each other’s faces, I think that they are all kinds of critical behind each other’s backs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:18 PM
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Red Pillers just don’t want simps overvaluing women by simping for them and then complaining later when said woman dead bedrooms him or doesn’t repay his covert contract. If a guy is perfectly happy simping and not complaining about it, then I don’t think Red Pillers care all that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:14 PM
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We are talking about cheating here, not “antisocial behaviors”. Women are just as likely to cheat these days as men are. They just do it for different reasons, and they are just as likely to say “you can’t handle the truth” to these men in their own way when they do cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:55 PM
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But the message is that women are still attracted to masculinity, though. If they were not, then they would not be heterosexual women. A guy can risk not being masculine at all, but fewer women are likely to be attracted to him then. What the message is instead is “still be masculine, just do it on a positive way”.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:52 PM
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Okay. Good information. If this is the case, then women should stop virtue signaling that they are any less shallow than men are then.
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