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Debatetiddymilkguzzler/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 10:32 PM
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Question For Womentiddymilkguzzler/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 12:26 PM
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discussiontiddymilkguzzler/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/24 07:31 PM
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We could not be further apart in our ultimate goals and values but I feel I agree with this to some extent. Men are too porn-addicted and docile, physically inactive to be as horny as they should be in a way which motivates a true, near lack of sexual standards for women and fuels the libido necessary to content themselves with having sex with the women actually in or below their league. I feel a lot of men are not truly as sexually desperate as they should be because if you exercise, limit porn…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 07:13 AM
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If it weren’t for my current relationship the personal residencies and offices of mental health professionals would be among the first places I would vandalize and bomb. I probably am not the most stable individual, I think I got what they would categorize as borderline personality disorder, but even more repulsive than my behavior is the idea that people such as I should be forced to repress their true nature to conform to the poorly defined if not completely arbitrary values and acceptable ran…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 07:14 AM
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Again, “if.” It’s always if, if, if with women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 06:43 AM
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Will what do you feel then? Would you love a man as vulnerable as I described?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:49 AM
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Yes, including but not limited to abuse and infidelity If I could feel safe in a woman’s love there is zero limit to what I’d tolerate
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:47 AM
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Ok, so there are individual women out there who will mother their man?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:46 AM
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My personal alleged complexes are besides the point, irrelevant and that’s not what I said I’m pointing out that because women’s interest in you is so conditional and limited that it is not love
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:00 PM
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Ok well any conditional arrangement is not love and certainly not loyalty no matter if it’s with a man or woman Even if men are guilty too I am tired of conflating terms like love and conditional transaction
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:55 PM
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Currently with a woman And it’s cool if you like your relationship I’m just saying her supposed love for you is conditioned because if you were truly vulnerable she wouldn’t care
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:54 PM
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Do you not want both? I know it’s impossible but stop letting women control what you’re even allowed to want or wish were true
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:52 PM
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Even if I concede that men can’t love women that’s really women’s problem to deal with. I’m trying to address a very serious issue men go through whereby they allow a woman’s illusion of love destroy their life worse than women already manage to do with just sex
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 11:41 AM
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If I’m an average woman I would find men I find attractive and express clear, enthusiastic interest in sex and then get an ugly man to financially support me by feigning the enthusiasm I actually feel for hot guys, zero makeup needed if I am actually a 5 If I’m a 4 or 3 then I can do the same thing but with a few basic makeup tutorials and slight downgrade in the quality of alfa fux and beta bux
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 11:35 AM
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I would personally butcher the founding fathers and subject their colonies to far harsher rule under the British back then if I could, but their intelligence and eloquence far exceed mine or that of any half-literate intellectual elite from today, so it’s not an insult at all to hear I supposedly sound like some of the best sophists to have ever scammed humanity throughout history And my main goal is to highlight the inherently transactional nature of a woman’s love so men stop giving women long…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 11:23 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 11:15 AM
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It’s based off 1 flawed study in which the vast majority of men didn’t abandon their partner anyway Yeah there probably are some sociopathic outliers like me but most men love a long term partner in a way a woman can’t
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 11:14 AM
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You and I both know these supposed standards men have are pure cope and fantasy, especially in a time as disadvantageous for men as ours. Men do grow to love women in a way so much more selfless and real than women can love back, but even if they didn’t my point that women do not love you still stands even if it turns out men can’t love their partners either
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 11:10 AM
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Ok, but that’s not love, that’s a transaction, and that’s all I’m trying to highlight for men, that women don’t love them
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 11:07 AM
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While I don’t mind debating the veracity of claims with anyone, even including women, (it’s marked for debate) the main point is to convince men that they can never truly trust a woman to have their back and get them to plan accordingly
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 11:05 AM
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Are you willing to love your man when he’s truly vulnerable? Not angry or sad while still an ultimately functioning, independent adult, but childlike and incapable of facing the world or even his own crippling existential dread any thinking person should feel? That’s what I mean. I’m tired of conflating what you feel with love
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 11:03 AM
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Can you necessarily demand tribute from Chad and Chadlite for sex? No. But if you are a non-obese woman between the ages of 18 and 45 you absolutely can have sex with them whenever you want even if you’re like a 3 or 4 if you make it easy enough. The reason I say you may not have to work is because you can very realistically get an unattractive male to financially support you if you fake interest hard enough even if you simultaneously are cheating on him with more desirable men. And you know wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 11:00 AM
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It may be a reasonable expectation to have as a woman. It still means your love for him is conditional. I’m tired of people conflating what women feel with love
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:52 AM
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Ok well my point is the fact she’s not willing to do it means she doesn’t love you regardless if you want it or not. It means there’s always an “if” attached to every good thing she does
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:51 AM
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IF she can make me feel unconditionally loved despite rationally knowing that’s not possible then yes idc what else she does
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 11:44 PM
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I mean yeah even as a bitter misogynist because my partner has me convinced she’s at least not using me for money I am ironically most willing to let her do whatever with my money as long as I have food and utilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:15 PM
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Idk why you people revel in men’s suffering so much. Especially crazy men’s suffering like mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:32 AM
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All of those sound amazing but the important variable underlying them all is they mean a woman really loves you and not your utility, a form of feeling and assurance worth more than any specific action but also impossible to experience as a man
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:24 AM
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Basically yeah that would be epic but there are not realistically women willing to do that
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:22 AM
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This is cool if it’s true, but it’s worth making men aware that if they are ever rendered useless by physiological or physical problems they cannot count on their wife to have their back
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:19 AM
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Idk about your experience with men but a man who loves and trusts you will give you full access to his money and accounts to spend as you wish and not even mind as long as he has enough for basic utilities and food. That’s literally how a lot of men are with their partners
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:16 AM
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I’m curious. Would you advocate men only marry if they can find a relationship in which they are more valued than the woman they marry? I wouldn’t expect such a take from a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:09 AM
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Well then your reading comprehension is even less than that of the average woman
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:02 AM
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if the love one feels towards his child is what parents claim it is then obviously id want them to have that regardless what envy I feel. I don’t intent to have children though I don’t see how it’s feasible given how much power women have to destroy a family on a whim
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:58 AM
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Your style of writing is dry and easily replicable to AI. The hallmarks of a typical, truly deficient education of our day and age adapted to the needs of the market instead of the communication of any depth or idea more complicated than what a sub-80 IQ consumer can understand
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:46 AM
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Yes tbh I wish I were gay sometimes because I can’t even fathom how nice it must be to be actually desired by your preferred gender without having to mask and fight for every scrap of validation
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:37 AM
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The reasons you can’t actually love a man may be both evolutionarily and personally valid. It doesn’t change the fact that men ultimately can’t rely on women to truly have their back though
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:35 AM
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The reasons you can’t actually love a man may be both evolutionarily and personally valid. It doesn’t change the fact that men ultimately can’t rely on women to truly have their back though
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:34 AM
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If it weren’t for my current relationship I would vandalize and commit arson against the offices and personal residences of mental health professionals
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:30 AM
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Well men don’t get any unconditional love from women so I’m simply bringing more attention to this fact and it’s implications so that men can be aware For the most part men have 0 leverage in both the sex and relationship market but what little power they still wield in relationships needs to be used while aware how abysmal it is even with the best of women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:28 AM
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Idk how what I want isn’t at least closer to love than the hyper-conditional transaction women tend to demand of men There is absolutely an initial looks threshold to get into a relationship but beyond that men only grow more attached over time whereas women will contrive 50 different reasons to nag and test their man if he’s not perfectly on top of everything
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:24 AM
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If you are at least a 4/10 you can if you make it easy enough No Chad or chadlite is saying no to nsa sex with a 4 if it’s made easy enough. Uglier women just have to go lower on the looks scale
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:21 AM
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I know you can’t write better because you’re a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:49 PM
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If the average man were given the leverage and power of an average woman they’d never have problems again
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:47 PM
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Why should it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:46 PM
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Again, to women vulnerability in men seems to mean admitting to having a bad day I’m talking about the real, existential vulnerability and loneliness which torments any thinking man. Masculinity is a literal cope and pure fiction men use to compensate for what they lack in looks to pretend they have any idea what they’re doing or are in control of anything
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:43 PM
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How is this not just literal armchair psychoanalysis of someone you don’t know?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:39 PM
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Tbh kind of cool if true
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:32 PM
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I’ve yet to hear a good reason not to do this if you are a woman under the age of 40
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:23 PM
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I can very clearly see women don’t actually seem to love men for anything other than their utility whereas men develop actual attachment to a long term partner
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:22 PM
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Tbh valid attitude to have if you’re a woman I guess but I’m a man and want other men to know that what you just said is the best case scenario for them. They can’t expect to be loved for who they actually are, but rather their utility
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:20 PM
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Why? Why would you not want to be loved for who you are instead of your utility?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:17 PM
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I hope I am in fact the problem for women if they in fact are this averse to loving men who are vulnerable instead of a fake mirage of masculinity, masculinity being pure cope and delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:16 PM
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Wouldn’t matter if you actually loved them
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:06 PM
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🥺
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:04 PM
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Never had a mom, but who wouldn’t want a partner that actually cares about them and not their utility?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:45 PM
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You didn’t address the main point I made
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:44 PM
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That’s not what I’m lamenting in this post
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:43 PM
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I’m just saying the fact we have to pick one proves women really don’t love you because women absolutely do not have to pick.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:43 PM
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There are two factors I don’t think are being considered enough: supply of men and the potential for perceived quantity and quality of options to affect genuine attraction In a lot of historical contexts the fact so many men died in wars and from more dangerous working conditions inevitably made things better for the surviving men in the dating market. If it is literally impossible for all women to have ă monogamous partner, not just undesirable due to their hypergamous instincts, then even beta…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:23 AM

Nothing I said in my post says anything like that
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:24 PM

If you want to androgenize everyone I guess but if you believe men and women are different and should act differently then as much of a misogynist I am I would not wish to impose a distinctly masculine approach to dialogue and thinking on women who are just trying to be feminine. I don’t hate women that much
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:22 PM

17-year-olds think everything is cringe and tbh they may be right
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:16 PM
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Hard disagree It’s literally technology + abundance of resources. Women’s liberation only occurs when men are too comfortable and complacent to do anything about it If men weren’t so sedated and weakened by entertainment media, porn, all the sugar and carbs you could dream of, it would be a very different story for women. Just look at poorer nations in the developing and especially underdeveloped world. Women’s lib is a result and not a cause of over-abundance. You barely need to go back much fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 11:53 AM
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lol I have read it but I’m more recently influenced by Cioran, Nietzsche, Bronze Age pervert whom I don’t take very seriously but whose sporadic style I like, Jesús G Maestro
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:02 AM
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It is to me the most valid question women ask
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:18 AM
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Yes, among the best kind of hoes mind you
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:56 AM
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Tbh I’m convinced if a man is hot enough he can be as insecure as he wants in a relationship. Masculinity, while far preferable to femininity, is pure cope and a way average and ugly men compensate for what they lack in looks to women by essentially pretending they have any idea what they’re doing and that they can take care of things. I’m not some chad mogger so I have to do it some too but if you can’t afford to express some insecurity in a relationship then your consort simply doesn’t find yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:54 AM
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Why
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:59 AM
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Very good response
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:58 AM
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Yeah it’s an issue with men simultaneously wanting women to be feminine and coldly logical
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:56 AM
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It is valid if you zoom out enough, consider all life on earth No, I mentioned in the post that I can’t love unconditionally either. It doesn’t make the fact that love is such an exclusive, rare privilege any less debilitatingly depressing
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:52 PM
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You have neither style nor substance
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:08 PM
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The stigma against alleged run-on sentences is a psy-op to further lobotomize the English language so it can be more advertiser friendly and used to market garbage to a broader pool of mongrelized consumers with no identity who are incapable of parsing thoughts which demand complex syntax
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:52 PM
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The question is incoherent but an attractive, feminine woman isn’t supposed to be coldly logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:46 PM
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Setting aside the morality of the situation how do you afford to treat women with this kind of blunt honesty? Are you a mogger or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:44 PM
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I am deliberately using my more unhinged thoughts but they are genuine. I unironically feel this way
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:39 PM
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Thank you. I’m expressing sincere feelings and thoughts but they are my more unhinged thoughts because this sub is getting boring
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:38 PM
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Well I guess I’m an idiot because I find the insecurity underlying the question very valid and any partner should tell me they’d still love me if I were a worm
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:37 PM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:35 PM
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No problem. I am trying to make this sub more interesting because im tired of the same stuff here repeated over and over again
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:35 PM
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False hope is the only hope you you get to temporarily experience in this life I’m afraid
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:31 PM
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Logically moronic? Yes but women are at their best when they aren’t being cold and logical. I don’t date a woman to have a sophisticated discussion any more than women date men for intelligence in and of itself. The fear underlying the insecure question is very valid and has no rational solution. There is no reasoning your way out of loneliness. There is only deceit and distraction
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:28 PM
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All human relationships are predicated on abuse and exploitation
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:47 AM
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How is it I so evidently “have problems?” I have revealed nothing other than the fact I perceive the world and dating in terms of complex networks of both overt and covert enmity and reality constantly vindicates me whenever collective delusions prove insufficient to distract people from how things really are. I only have problems in the same way we all have major problems to deal with by virtue of being alive
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:45 AM
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I’ll still trade harpships with you. a bunch of hags hitting on me would be still at least make me feel attractive and if I were single I’d go along with it because as a man I am conditioned early and often to know I am neither valuable as a person nor object, that I must I fight for ever ounce and scrap of validation I get I rarely get validated for something even as base or objectifying as my looks or attractiveness; I get appreciated and validated usually for putting up with more abuse and no…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 09:01 AM
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Simple? Probably not. As a westerner I know you can still end up miserable even with material comfort and luxuries which are historically without precedent for low status, slave classes like modern wagies. I also know I would at least prefer to be valued some way than not at all, which is the reality for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 04:43 AM
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The thing is I’m actually a Christian; I just can’t justify further helping western women even from a moral perspective of extreme Christian charity. I kind of stick to secular arguments for Reddit though
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 12:23 PM
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Inconceivably based and well articulated
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 12:18 PM
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You’d have to ask redpillers Redpillers are too delusionally optimistic about the current dynamic between men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:21 AM
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Unless you are some exceptionally hung height and face mogger or very rich or some mix of both you pay dearly for every additional ounce of power you wife gains through her employment and disposable income independent of you Again, I don’t know you and maybe you’re some top 1% guy but if you’re not your relationship is at best based on some pseudo-contractual set of expectations and boundaries by which your wife abides out of mercy and you out of necessity
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:05 AM
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Rights are simply freedoms granted by a government of higher authority Women already possess an immense amount of leverage through their sexual value. In western societies women absolutely have more freedom and autonomy as a result Across the board, women have it better than their genetic equivalents You need to be Johnny depp or trump to have the material conditions comparable to an average woman who plays her cards right and even depp got abused and used by a woman because I guess not even att…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:56 AM
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Both Women’s sexual leverage equals more power especially when compounded by legal rights and personal autonomy Only very chuddy cultures strike a fair balance in power between men and women Very few, obscure cultures impose an arrangement actually worse for women. For example, if you want to claim it’s unduly harsh to practice fgm then yeah, I don’t hate women that much My ideal is a society which eliminates female exploitation of males to the extent it’s possible without destroying quality of …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 09:30 PM
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Yeah even I’m apparently not evil enough to make up for what I lack in looks
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 12:42 AM
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Help doesn’t exist for thinking men Like Emil Cioran says: “Este sigur că in lumea aceasta singurele experiențe cu adevărat autentice sînt cele izvorîte din boalã.” (The only authentic experiences with the truth in this world are surely those sprung forth from illness) Happiness and love are the exclusive privileges of women, children, and unthinking men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 12:36 AM
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Yes, yes it does. You’re conflating freedom and privilege Captivity can be nice if it provides certain material circumstances Not that western women are really captive to anything which doesn’t affect men even more, but if being loved and fed meant I had a curfew and bedtime id accept that deal in a heartbeat Freedom and respect are not themselves superior privileges; the are the best of a bad situation for men because no one will love you the way children and women get loved so you may as well …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 12:32 AM
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Being a loved and valued child is absolutely a privilege What are you even on about? Unlike women and children however men only get exploited when vulnerable, whereas the vulnerability of women and children inspires pity and mercy in others
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:38 PM
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Politics is amoral Either you are making others do what they don’t want to do or you are doing stuff you don’t want to do It should be apparent to anyone who has a job or been in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:35 PM
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They shouldn’t I wouldn’t if I were a woman I’m a man though So I want men to do what’s necessary to combat this and other ways men’s interests are undermined by society Men and women have irreconcilable differences and it’s not even really their fault. Life is just violent and cruel
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:34 PM
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Human dignity is at best a useful construct I was disabused of this lie from an early age I don’t personally blame women for organizing to exploit men but I must advocate men defend themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:31 PM
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Not really relevant to the post aside from the fact they were women. Women are too exceptionally gifted at manipulation and endowed with too much raw sexual power for there to be a fair dynamic better men and women when women have the same legal rights
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 04:17 AM
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Sexual, physical, verbal abuse, neglect, manipulation of any and all weakness These behaviors aren’t exclusive to women but I’m a man so I’d prefer my demographic be in a position of power even if I personally don’t like harming people for no reason
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 04:02 AM
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There’s more but I just wanted to give a very pertinent example from something she just said.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 02:44 AM
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Sounds great to me Idk what they’re complaining about
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 02:43 AM
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Yes, politics is amoral even if I’m not personally amoral
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 01:24 AM
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It’s a problem for men. I’m a man. I write to convince other men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 01:21 AM
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They shouldn’t, I sure wouldn’t if i were a woman. If i were a woman I’d be too busy having sex and being happy Men face a different set of challenges and battles
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:04 AM
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Tbh I’ve long suspected I’m borderline and therefore experience sex as simultaneously a source of validation and a terrifyingly vital expression of exploitation and abuse underlying all human interaction because I live and breath ambivalence I absolutely do envy women and gay men for so effortlessly getting it wherever they want and am baffled that women don’t take more advantage of this while they’re still young
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:44 PM
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I’m just ahead of the curb. Men need to realize women will not ever defend them the way they’re inclined to defend women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:35 PM
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No, just very broad. The aggregate will I think can be generalized enough to categorize two distinct interest groups
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:30 PM
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It doesn’t necessarily unless I convince enough men to my side
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:01 PM
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I am both in a relationship and also care about my grandmother. What I say outlines a general principle men should apply to women as a demographic despite their personal relationships or lack thereof
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:59 PM
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I am a normie in terms of dating success Average women have access to any and all sex they want They absolutely leverage their sexual value which when combined with equal legal rights leads to unfair advantages, nothing approaching a truly equitable arrangement between men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 08:27 PM
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Noroc 🥂
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:03 AM
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Well for one they regard my need to date and have romantic relationships as unnecessary as you just did.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:01 AM
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It’s true that I can’t affect your right to vote but my post is about why I should harbor any goodwill towards women at all. I am proposing men willing to hear me out stop supporting and (through only legal means of course) actively hinder women where and when they do have power in a situation involving a woman, and no one has given me a good reason to the contrary
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:41 AM
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None of us have inalienable rights If you live in the first world like me your rights exist as long as you don’t meaningfully inconvenience people with actual, institutional power. If you don’t live in the first world then idek how you have this delusional concept of rights as anything other than a legal privilege afforded by a government that figures your freedom is more politically expedient than more violently subjugating you. Idc about hate speech. Your concept of rights is akin to the relig…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:09 AM
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Unless you’re older than 50 or morbidly obese one way you can leverage your power is you can always find a subservient provider even if you don’t find him attractive, then you use your free time to pursue other endeavors and men to whom you actually are attracted. You may not even have to settle for a provider arrangement given how quick average or below average guys will be to literally jump at your command if you make them feel genuinely desired while leading them on. Literally go on tinder an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:56 AM
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As someone who currently has access to both (I’m a bitter normie, not bitter incel even though I think more like an incel) I personally would value the ability to date and have relationships with my preferred gender over the charade, sham which is voting. Tf do I care which puppet of the political class gets to pretend they are in charge for 4 years? So if your attitude towards an emotional but no less material, pertinent need of men is so callous and dismissive, why do I care about a your needs…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:29 AM
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Ok then you don’t strictly need a right to vote as far as I’m concerned
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:19 AM
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Yeah I do
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:03 AM
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Then you are blind to your privilege You can leverage it for so much out of life and it would be immediately apparent how much harder it is without this advantage like ftm transgenders will openly admit and lament
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 08:55 AM
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That’s like saying the bourgeoisie don’t have power over workers
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:07 AM
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Literally what cons are there that aren’t even worse for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:04 AM
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I think they are a lot more capable of caring about women than vice-versa, but that might just be my make bias, it’s irrelevant to my point
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:44 AM
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I don’t like Tate. Red-pill ideology is very spurious at times to begin with but Tate is completely devoid of any analytical value the red pill once had I see gender dynamics even more through a lens of power and enmity than Tate who at least pretends he advocates for the best course of action to give women what they want I don’t care what women want at all
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:37 AM
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It’s not about deserving or not deserving. I’m saying men have no more reason to care about women’s interests than women have to care about ours, and I’d say it’s an inherent conflict out of everyone’s control. You don’t even need personal animosity towards women to see it any more than women need personal animosity to exploit and discard us
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:01 AM
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Most people are not Buddhist monks and therefore must fight and argue in favor of their own very material interests. Idk how this mentally is applicable on a large scale
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:58 PM
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Well hopefully men’s animosity only amplifies
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:56 PM
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I said they are better adapted to modernity and post-scarce settings, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:55 PM
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I said only in terms of dating success, ie, it’s not a fuckfest or a compete drought, I am not a normie nor would I want to be
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:54 PM
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I wish I lived in a society where empathy and goodwill were still viable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:53 PM
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Yes, I can, but I don’t have to mask on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:51 PM
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Contentious women are simply more aware of what they actually want: in a way I have more respect, at least intellectually, for them than normie women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:07 PM
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Men want lots of casual sex and a perfect virgin to settle down with (unrealistic for most men) women want a provider chad with options who chooses her (also unrealistic for most women). These desires are even less compatible than the conflicting goals within either gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:05 PM
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No, honestly. People are only entitled to that which they are able to take, which for women right now is basically everything and for men is very little. Women have expressed they do no care about men’s problems so I’m asking why are women entitled to our goodwill and continued belief in the necessity for their legal rights and autonomy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:02 PM
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I am a normie in terms of dating succes. Women who don’t have a nasty attitude towards men simply haven’t considered the inherent incompatibility between men and women’s interests/goals
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 10:56 PM
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Sex to me is as relevant a material resource as any other. If you’re a woman it probably makes sense to promote the status quo by which you get any and all sex you want while most men struggle. I don’t see why I should also promote this status quo, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 10:54 PM
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I have always been a normie in terms of dating success even though I obviously don’t think like a normie. If I’m frustrated it’s because of how much I have to mask to get into and maintain relationships But how does this meaningfully address what I’m saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 10:52 PM
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Despite the fact I can tell from your username and posts that you represent a set of values and goals irreconcilably incompatible with mine I think this analysis contains valid insight from an angle I haven’t previously considered I really do only want sex with the vast majority of women. But when I try and think about why that is I realize it’s because most women are legitimately too vapid and boring to appreciate for non-sexual reasons. I guess I feel like this about most men (except I’m not i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 10:21 PM
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This makes sense if you’re a woman If you’re a man it is not in fact a good thing There is ultimately no reconciliation between the interests and goals of the two sexes now Whether or not that becomes dangerous for women depends entirely on if modern comfort and safety can be maintained long term If you’re a woman you kind of have to support techbro dystopia and hope it succeeds and continues to sustain itself through innovation because the alternative is capitalism’s unsustainable growth collap…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 01:16 PM
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I hate conservatives because I consider myself a different, more extreme kind of Nietzschean right wing, but IF conservatives could enforce their delusional values it would be mostly better for men in developed countries whose armies enforce and control more than they ever actually confront existential threats The REAL issues men face can only be addressed with a level of violent imposition of our collective masculine will, camaraderie, and excellence that just never thrives in societies as comf…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 12:22 PM
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I hate conservatives because I consider myself a different, more extreme kind of Nietzschean right wing, but IF conservatives could enforce their delusional values it would be mostly better for men in developed countries whose armies enforce and control more than they ever actually confront existential threats The REAL issues men face can only be addressed with a level of violent imposition of our collective masculine will, camaraderie, and excellence that just never thrives in societies as comf…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 12:20 PM
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Blackpill tinder experiments are enough to convince me that looks exponentially affect attraction way beyond what virtually any woman will admit I can’t completely dismiss the idea that personality traits help though. Serial killers and criminals who aren’t at all as hot as Richard Ramirez have groupies, and status seems to also be very powerful if a literally unwashed, stinky white trash specimen like post Malone has all the adoring female fans he does It’s going to be marred with bs to sift th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 11:55 AM
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Probably because it’s hard not to compartmentalize as a man It’s interesting but also difficult to imagine as a man the idea of a woman’s presence and personality contributing to her purely sexual value Except maybe behaviors and mannerisms which signal availability like sultry voice or seductive expressions; I would argue the whole alt girl/egirl aesthetic signals this kind of availability even if a girl using this style isn’t in fact more available or easy a sexual prospect, but as a man you s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 06:14 PM
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Just like a woman can’t actually survive or get relationships without directly applying force to certain issues Neither is objectively better or worse even if I as a man prefer masculinity for subjective reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:47 PM
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Interesting I don’t think masculinity can be defined by any specific hobbies or values but is in essence simply any kind of strength and direct application of one’s will as opposed to the feminine indirect, manipulative means of manifesting one’s will. No one could conceivably be fully masculine or feminine therefore
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:59 PM
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That’s very interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:53 PM
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Does who a man is help if he is short and ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:50 PM
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Ok then the distinction I mean however is the sexual value from personality, presence, body language vs his facial features independent of expression and his stature independent of how he carries it even though what you said is an interesting, potentially useful reframing of concepts
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:47 PM
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That’s why I’m avoiding mentioning traits which are too specific because that’s where I know women start to delude themselves or lie Mainly focused on if non-physical traits, even though I don’t trust women to honestly relate which exact traits, can at all affect attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:33 AM
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Brutal, but thanks for honesty
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:30 AM
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So you don’t consider physical attraction “genuine”?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:32 AM
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Mfw I can’t femboy-max bc I am a 6’2” hairy balkanoid
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:31 AM
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I’m on Reddit rn bc “tell me your most visceral shameful desires” is the kind of thing you probably can’t ask women irl
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 12:39 AM
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I’ve heard the Kama sutra mentions paternal behaviors towards kids as a means of seducing a woman so that sounds like it’d probably true
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 12:19 AM
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That’s kind of white-pilling tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 12:18 AM
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I would definitely prefer to start slow and gradually work the ratio down to test the waters in case you’re right But I suspect scarcity will absolutely improve things for the average man because we have a recent historical precedent after World War I and II where you get all these stories of high-tier normie men who today would be average or sub 5 having an obedient house wife and a mistress their wife either pretends doesn’t exist or begrudgingly accepts I don’t want to bring unnecessary miser…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:32 AM
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Idk if you’re agreeing with me that judeo-Christian values are an oxymoron or if you’re suggesting I’m being oxymoronic. There are inevitable similarities but without wishing to suggest that there is any inherent evil in being ethnically Jewish, the religion is explicitly opposed to the very essence of Christianity. This is very far off topic so either way I’d only want to further discuss in dms
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:07 AM
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Well the solution I propose has the potential to make a society where we REALLY don’t have to care about what women want, at least not more than they have to care about what we want. Imagine how much more men could focus on a fulfilling life if they didn’t have to worry about women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:45 AM
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Tbh there isn’t much more to life than sex but what little there is outside this activity would also be improved for men. They would be more valued in general and treated better, not just disposable laborers, cannon fodder, providers, or best care scenario breeding stock if you’re like top 1 percent attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:06 AM
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Why let fear of the unknown prevent us as men from taking measure that might make us actually valued by women? Most men will never be what women ACTUALLY desire and any cultural shift to mitigate this ultimately boils down to expecting more effort, more self-justifying and self-humiliating behavior from men. Why not just create the scarcity required to alleviate a lot of loneliness and misery for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:20 PM
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Well I would I guess. Idk why you would go against your own best interests as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:13 PM
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I am in a relationship and have had a normie level of success with dating. And I don’t like having to repress what I feel and believe just to appease vapid women who base everything off vibes and conformity to the always abysmal set of values promoted by the majority. Especially when I know that they would hypocritically not care about my eccentricity and controversial ideas if I were just hotter. I really just don’t see why you wouldn’t want to make things easier for men, even if you think it’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:09 PM
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Why, though? Literal appeal to nature fallacy and only easy to promote when you benefit from It Why would you not want a more fair world?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:57 PM
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They imposed a one child policy in a country which preferred sons to daughters So yes they did
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 09:13 AM
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It would though since value is relative. We have a recent historical precedent: all the privilege and ease men had with dating up until recently was first and foremost due to the fact so many men had died in two world wars
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 09:04 AM
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Also whatever the motive was for the Chinese government, they emphatically did NOT have the interests of the average Chinese guy in mind. I do care about the average guy in my country
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 09:02 AM
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I didn’t say it isn’t used, just that I can’t personally promote it. I even stated it politically makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:59 AM
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I’m open to the possibility that social skills and confidence can help but I have no reason to believe that they are anything other than a means of compensating for a lack of looks similar to feminine personalities in women. You can’t be smooth big man in charge and in control over the course of an entire ltr, but your partner might be more inclined to stay if there simply aren’t better alternatives
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:58 AM
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Would you honestly say you represent the average black woman? I don’t understand the people on here who can grasp and acknowledge biological differences in sex but not any other category
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:53 AM
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Regardless what people do with the quality of genes, a scarcity of men will make things easier for men in the dating market. That’s the point im making
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:49 AM

I don’t believe women are as autistically competent at tech as men but I’m sure white-majority countries have women more than capable and intelligent enough at stem to technologically outmaneuver the cultures and ethnicities short-sighted and dumb enough to destroy their own dating and marriage dynamics with excess males. In a way I believe in you, women, you got this, especially if we propagandize an emphasis on stem for women. Just look at how many amazing female scientists the Soviet Union pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:30 AM
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Yeah, I know we could do that but I personally can’t advocate abortion. Politically it makes sense to do it, though, but with the goal in mind to reduce the amount of men. I have no idea wtf the Chinese were thinking and why they thought it was a good idea to make things even harder for men, but I’m sure the elites had their reasons which seemingly made sense at the time. Reducing the amount of men or rather reducing the ratio of men to women would make things more fair between the genders by co…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:19 AM
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People will most definitely be more interested in quality of genes than fixing men’s sexual problems. I’m just saying this is also something they can consider. I personally can only advocate non-violent means of modifying genes as a person with Christian but emphatically not “judeo” values Not that any kind of morality will ever actually determine what people do politically
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:25 AM
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Yes, and am I to believe that it wouldn’t be worth it if it meant we as men could be treated as actually valuable? We don’t even have to start with the ideal ratio. Can be a gradual transition but I doubt anything would make it not worth it for most men. Men already sacrifice everything for so much less
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:19 AM
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Amen
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:17 AM
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Learn all the social skills you want; you very much should no matter what happens. It’s not going to make men more desirable. Only more looks or more scarcity can do that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:17 AM
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As a lonely, bitter man I just have to completely repress myself down to basically nothing, and while it’s very bland and doesn’t inspire love or admiration from anyone it also doesn’t incite the kind fear and exclusion from polite society I’d experience if I let out a fraction of my true self. The messed up thing is that most of my dating success came from the time in my young adult life where I recklessly and openly railed against everything about modernity and western values the average Reddi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 03:47 PM

Because you refuse to think If you accept that both men and women feel attraction independently of morality then human sexuality must be repressed and controlled
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 04:49 AM
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Why? So they can pathologize me for having a more accurate view on the inherent evil and abuse in all human relationships? Psychology only protects the needs of society at the expense of the individual or at the very least at the expense of the truth, but it’s not even as beneficial for society as traditional religions when they lie
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 11:30 AM
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I resent the pathologization of black and white thinking since I’ve only heard of it in the context of cluster b personality disorders Maybe society needs to pathologize such supposed disorders and the people who have them for being able to perceive the inherent enmity and abuse in all human relationships bc society’s in the business of promoting lies which make people get along and begrudgingly tolerate each other. Regardless how incompatible the truth is with peaceful coexistence or even a hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:33 AM
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Yes that is the rational conclusion I guess I’m too addicted to petty pleasures and am not myself a good enough person to Do that though Antinatalist prohibition of sex I can advocate because the very nature and disgusting immorality of sex I think has rendered me functionally asexual, however, so I am not being hypocritical there
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 10:05 AM
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Epic
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 01:31 AM
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Out of curiosity are you viscerally ATTRACTED to such men? Can you maintain monogamous relationships with them while remaining sexually satiated? Or are you just better at thinking long term than most people? Or do you simply indulge open relationships or other non-monogamous excuses to cheat and sexually reward men who least deserve it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 12:17 AM
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It certainly is a me issue and I personally am repulsed by man’s hypocrisy in simultaneously claiming to be somehow more dignified and moral than the animal kingdom while simultaneously indulging in something as immoral or at least amoral and Darwinian as sex for pleasure I wish we could at least pick one: either moral nihilism or complete repression of human sexuality because I believe my affinity towards the extreme to simply be a matter of principle and a level of consistency few people even …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 12:09 AM
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That’s what I’m proposing for everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 12:04 AM
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Idk how I can perceive other people’s choices as anything other than real if that’s what they choose I do not consider anyone’s choices valid including my own because I find existence itself so absurd and lonely. I’d kill myself but then that too would be meaningless and deprive me of a few more decades of petty pleasures to which I’m addicted I do sincerely believe personalities are a sham, at best an organizing principle, but more likely a deceptive, delusional mirage, espejismo, lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 11:18 PM
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I’m not an incel I just find the relationships I’ve had to be unfulfilling and always lacking up until now I don’t like embracing narcissism and psychopathy even though these have granted me the most success It’s the hypocrisy that irritates me I have more respect for both the unrepentant tyrant and the the renunciant monk than I do for the the blue pilled normie
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:37 AM
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Good point, in which case male attraction is also immoral and sex should still be abolished
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:23 AM
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I agree but it makes me wonder if there is something about my nature as a man that I’m equally blind to
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:20 AM
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Nice catch
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:18 AM
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I said it’s amoral As in without morals good or bad
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:15 AM
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To live is to repress or undermine another And even the winners experience no small amount of suffering due to circumstances out of their control
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:12 AM
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Is sex not a vital part of human nature, if not THE vital part?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:06 AM
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The dissonance whereby man thinks himself a just or more moral life-form while still desiring and allowing for participation in sex for the sake of pleasure I at least wish we could pick one Either we control and fully repress our sexuality or we embrace moral nihilism. I can’t stand unprincipled moderation and hypocrisy: I’m drawn to extremes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:04 AM
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I sincerely would like to know if it’s different for others I have no doubt there are people who sexually discriminate based off morality, but it seems that it’s in spite of attraction not because of it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:00 AM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:04 AM
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Even sex positive people with a brain should be able to admit that it poses problems
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:02 AM
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I feel alienated from it It exists but I find it depressing and am slowly becoming functionally asexual
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:01 AM
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I’m not personally an incel but it’s not true that everyone, especially men can necessarily find someone
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:00 AM
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Yes they make me uncomfortable but is it not immoral to sexually reward or refuse to sexually disincentivize bad behavior? Both men and women do this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:51 AM
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I like this reply even if it contains more optimism than I can muster rn Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:49 AM
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Ok How do you gain confidence and get what you want without eliminated that possibility for someone else in a world of scarce resource?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:37 AM
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I don’t see any possibility for non-violent solutions I simply propose one which more efficiently reduces the suffering man subjects himself to
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:35 AM
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In this context, I’m using it as a very generic term for harmful
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:33 AM
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I don’t like male sexuality either The fact that sexuality even in the best case scenario is amoral and does nothing aside from bring more people into the world to suffer It should be beneath us if we’re going to pretend we want anything resembling justice. The problem is I’m not above it either. Only the most extreme measures can even theoretically repress this hurdle to human betterment I’m starting to appreciate the burgeoning technocratic dystopia bc I think it has to potential to extinguish…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 01:17 AM

I’m not an incel or particularly weak I don’t like my own male sexuality either
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 12:58 AM
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I am curious what you think my mentality is
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 12:47 PM

Women cheat more than men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 08:26 PM
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Maybe specifically the men you want aren’t but in general most normal guys just desperately want a long term partner
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 06:35 AM
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I do have trouble seeing women as good for much outside of sex tbh. Unless you had a good mother you’re not getting anything from a woman that a male friend can’t do better If you’re into men I imagine this applies even to sex but I am unfortunately hetero
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:18 PM
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I personally do not in my current culture and country Because I am not part of the elites and the powers that be favor women more than men right now To clarify I just want strictly enforced, life-long monogamy and not to rape anyone but I only make this distinction to emphasize how much rights as they are understood in the west are a sham. I as a man want monogamy and you as a woman want anything other than that It therefore may make sense for you to oppose my interests by any means possible jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 07:07 AM
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I think strictly enforced, life-long monogamy serve men’s interests It is clearly not something women are interested in though
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 12:08 AM
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It makes sense since you’re a woman I as a man have to promote men’s interests though
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 10:06 PM
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Most people who bash the French are angloid copers I have my own criticisms of the French but they are more eugenic and intelligent than most other Europeans
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:43 PM
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People only care about the consent of people who have the power to enforce boundaries Rights are what you are willing and able to take regardless the institutions and entities which impede or aid you So I want men to know Hitler couldn’t have been more eugenicist than nature if he tried, that they must see the relationship between men and women as one of enmity more than one of réconciliable goals and interests
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:38 PM
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Rights are what you are willing and able to take regardless which institutions institutions and entities impede or help you So yeah, I prefer to have what I need and promote what benefits me since no one else is going to do it for me
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:31 PM
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They simply select for traits contrary to that we tend to value as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:28 PM
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I don’t see the point in distinguishing between the agents imposing reproductive criteria whether or not they’re even conscious
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:27 PM
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Yes, men selecting whenever they can afford to select is also eugenicist I don’t see the point in distinguishing between the agent imposing reproductive criteria whether or not they’re even conscious Rights are determined by what you’re willing and able to take regardless which institutions or entities impede or help you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:26 PM
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I don’t see the point in distinguishing between the agent imposing reproductive criteria whether or not they’re even conscious
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:23 PM
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I don’t see the point in distinguishing between the agent imposing reproductive criteria whether or not they’re even conscious
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:23 PM
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Desirability is subjective so this doesn’t contradict what I’m saying It’s possible for women to not desire high intelligence for whatever reason
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:21 PM
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What difference does it make, at least practically, but also in theory if it’s women or the government telling men they can’t breed?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:19 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:17 PM
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The supposed distinction between public and private enforcement of rights is laughable You only have a right to that which you are willing and able to take regardless which institutions or entities impede or help you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:17 PM
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Nature “wants” specific traits even if it’s not conscious
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:15 PM
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Nature herself and by extension women, whether unconsciously or consciously, select for desirable traits. It’s why the French for example are so beautiful very much because of their adultery and whorish culture
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:13 PM
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I suppose I ideally would deny this right to women because simply bc I’m a man and don’t benefit from sexual liberation A man’s aesthetic appearance absolutely says a lot about their genetic health otherwise why would women find certain traits appealing to begin with? Emotional reliability is just one way men make up for what they lack in looks because men with looks can and do breed women into whom they do not invest much time or effort
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:09 PM
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lol yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:01 PM
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I disagree on the last point. Any culture worth persevering has leveraged sex and participation in relationships to incentivize average and below average men to be productive and pro-social If you want to actually enjoy any semblance of civilization then social norms should repress the aggregate feminine will enough to provide all men an avenue by which they can earn intimacy through their own self-sacrifice for the betterment of their community So while no individual woman should owe any specif…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 07:46 PM
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The problem is every successful civilization has repressed women’s natural selection trends in some way. It certainly wasn’t necessarily in the form of Christian monogamy, but it always was enough to incentivize pro-social behavior and productivity in men. If we’re this complicit in allowing natural hypergamy the instability and negative consequences will far outweigh your hypothetical daughter having to pair up with someone closer to her genetic quality
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 02:43 PM

I guess that’s a positive development for men, then. Would you say they have any reason to care, however? I’m really struggling to find a reason I should support women’s rights as an average western male and just can’t think of one even though I don’t really feel any malevolence or ill will towards women in general. Perhaps if I had a daughter I’d have a more moderate stance but idk
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 07:49 PM

My life if fine so idk what you’re talking about. I’m in a relationship and have hobbies. You’re the one who feels compelled to attack me instead of addressing anything of substance
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 11:35 AM
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Would it, though? How good can the world really be if competence and healthy genes are not prioritized at least as much if not more than good morals? I think there ideally should be a balance, but regardless what I think should happen now there’s usually a very concrete, practical reason a certain trait is sexually selected more than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 10:53 PM
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I am for strictly enforcing monogamy on both men and women. This will inevitably benefit more men than it does women. Only very attractive men benefit from sexual liberation and the vast majority of women receive unfair advantages, sexual variety, and opportunities while most men become incels or exploited in the few unbalanced relationships they do get without anything in place to repress natural human sexual selection. I don’t even care about repressing other rights if this goal can be achieve…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:03 AM
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You seem atypically benevolent towards men so I personally hope things go well for you regardless who’s in charge. But it’s not strictly about just sex itself as much as it is the ability to have a family and derive meaning/joy from providing for and protecting said family, with some norms and laws in place to ensure its stability that are more substantial than the fickle hypergamous whims of a woman. Of course there are male desires and tendencies which must also be repressed to more equally be…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 10:16 PM
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If women have the same legal rights they will inevitably have more opportunities and less responsibilities because all else kept equal a woman will ALWAYS be more valuable than her male equivalent. I think civilization and the perks that come with it has relied on the repression of the aggregate feminine will at least up until now. Maybe technology will keep civilization alive despite women’s liberation; maybe it won’t. Either way, idk what I’m supposed to do as a man aside from advocate for my …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 12:59 PM
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It’s all in my most recent post. Idk how to better explain it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 06:18 AM
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If a culture and/or economic system does not leverage sex and marriage to incentivize men to be both nice people and diligent workers do not be surprised when that culture sucks and inevitably collapses
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 06:38 AM
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There isn’t. I recently wrote a post on here about why there is no mutually beneficial solution because men and women’s interests are ultimately irreconcilable. A lot of people think I’m evil but I legit just don’t know what else I can do aside from promote my own sex’s interests regardless the effect it has on women, but I don’t like this approach either because it inevitably harms people who don’t deserve it. I just don’t see any alternative
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 06:35 AM
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Excellent argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 05:42 AM
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If you can regularly get laid outside of relationships then you are not average. If you cannot then I’m curious to know how you would not benefit. I’m talking about average tendencies so it’s of course possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:46 AM
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I clearly explained in my original post one major way these two aggregate wills are irreconcilable. Most women want to have sex with and pursue men who are above their healthy relationship league. Therefore average and below average men (who by definition constitute the majority of men) benefit most from monogamy and the repression of female sexual behavior. Unless you are attractive enough to regularly get laid outside of relationships, women’s liberation and subsequent fulfillment of their nat…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 06:25 PM
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Again with the personal attacks. I’m not an incel, just a normie in terms of dating success. My point is there’s no such thing as equal rights or a common good; so why should I promote women’s interests if it inevitably goes against the interests of most men including my own?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 02:53 AM
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If I can get away with promoting men’s interests at the expense of women’s (the two inevitably clash) why should I not?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 02:50 AM
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Politics is never about what you deserve; it’s about what you can get. I’m asking why, if given the opportunity, I should ever support women’s rights or liberation (ie voting for a certain politician or influencing other men in my personal life) instead of opposing them
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 02:48 AM
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Specific beliefs or ideologies have never meaningfully affected attraction. Every dictator or tyrant from every corner of the political spectrum had more willing female partners than I could ever have no matter what my politics are. The liberation and especially the sexual liberation of women is incompatible with civilization and even in the short term goes completely against my interests and wellbeing as an average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 02:26 AM
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You’re asking me to use my empathy to promote an inherently unfair dynamic between men and women. Due to the insane leverage women’s sexual value lends them, there is nothing resembling equality of opportunity or a fair deal when women have the same rights and freedom as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 09:24 PM
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Who’s “we”? If you mean western countries then that’s only because they’ve simply outsourced these problems to the countries that produce their stuff for cheap. Just look at coffee production for example. Multigenerational debt slavery of brown and black people so that rich countries can have a cheap stimulant, and I guarantee the farms that produce these coffee beans do not care about rights we consider basic for women. You can’t save everybody and while western women are much closer to me in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 08:42 PM
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I can’t turn it off. But because politics is a complex network of inevitably conflicting wills there is ultimately no perfect solution by which everyone benefits. There is no even theoretically conceivable utopia in which people willingly go to jail, so you must first and foremost ensure you and your own are the jailers before your empathy can be of any use to anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 08:28 PM
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If you’re suggesting I lack empathy, then no. I’ve simply been forced to acknowledge the amoral nature of politics. You can not think with your heart when considering political goals and solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 08:15 PM
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The worst case scenario is that society survives instead of getting replaced by a more patriarchal culture, and it might just survive because of technology meaning there is no hope for men
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 09:18 AM
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How on earth does this help me materially? It literally makes my relationships more difficult and eliminates the possibility of childhood stability for most people including me. Edit: I consider these things every bit as material as money or food bc philosophically I’m a materialist
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 09:16 AM
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I think that depends how much one’s perceived quality and quantity of options affects their attraction to people on their level.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 12:15 AM
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This presupposes that money is in and of itself attractive. Very very few women would desire someone like mark Zuckerberg or musk if it weren’t for their status. I think black pillers are more right than wrong in that face and height exponentially affect how attractive you are. Also this hypothetical solution affects the men in these Asian countries. I’m 6’3’’ with average white face genetics and it would feel cruel to become a passport bro just because I probably could do ok in a country whose …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 12:11 AM
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Again, I’m personally lucky to least be able to find a long term partner that is actually attracted to me. That is not the case for many men when women are sexually liberated and given the same rights
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 12:06 AM
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That is an important part of the equation to me. I am against the traditional double standards in a lot of cultures that allow men to discreetly cheat because that affects uglier or lower status men, but I also think women must be held to monogamous standards which inevitably tramples on freedoms they currently have
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 12:04 AM
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If we’re talking about me personally, I have zero interest in sex motivated by anything other than genuine desire. I’ve never understood the appeal to prostitution or any kind of transactional sex. I’d rather jerk off than pay for or accept unenthusiastic sex because sex is more a source of validation to me than a physical need. I’m lucky to have a partner that desires me, however. This is not a sustainable foundation on which to build a civilization, and I’m against forcing women to be with any…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 11:45 PM
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Or only when it is not actively harming them
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 11:34 PM
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Here I must disagree Yes, women experience situationships and some frustration but all this does is delay when they settle down and easily still find someone of similar attractiveness who then WILL put up with more bs than she does if he wants to keep the relationship. I think I see why women prefer things be this way because even a 50 year old woman has it better than the average guy if she’s not fat. I don’t think there is a harmony that can be achieved
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 10:35 PM
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Before gen z i think most men were fooled into thinking sexual liberation would mean more sex for them, which is obviously not the case
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 10:26 PM
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I like this take and find it to be a MUCH more preferable compromise
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 10:21 PM
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I don’t think I agree. I’m afraid I’d be coping if I said moggers and the kinds of men who can actually get hookups off of dating apps don’t benefit from women’s liberation and rights. I wouldn’t know ultimately but it seems they have every reason to promote the status quo because they don’t even have to provide or put much effort into the multiple women who give them sex. Why would they want to repress women? Women love them
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 10:20 PM
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It only works on an individual, local level. Politics is entirely amoral
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 10:02 PM
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Well such a compromise would definitely be preferable even though there would still be men that struggle as you say
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 09:56 PM
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If you care about actual equality then it’s at best naive and at worst disingenuous to suggest women and men’s opportunities are anything resembling equal when there is nothing in place to mitigate the absurd leverage women’s sexual value lends them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 09:23 PM
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What are you on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 09:20 PM
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Idk what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 09:20 PM
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I’m not a nice guy, but would it be nice of me to expect you to argue against your own interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 09:19 PM
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American slavery of blacks wasn’t even economically beneficial to most whites on top of being excessively cruel. This only works if you’re talking specifically about rich southerners.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 09:18 PM
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Why? Because I’m apprehensive about promoting my own destruction?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 08:58 PM
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There is an undeniable negative effect on genetics in the long term when certain societies control women TOO well like in India and Asian countries where at least up until now women were almost like an exchange token in arranged marriages based purely on practical motives. For what it’s worth I’d ideally want fathers to only possess a sort of ability to veto really bad prospective husbands while for the most part letting their daughters at least choose the one person they’re stuck with until dea…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 08:54 PM
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This is one of the more valid perspectives as to why men are kind of complicit in their own destruction right now and it makes sense though I wouldn’t fully understand as I’ve never had a daughter. Unfortunately the best world for your son is emphatically not the best world for your daughter unless he’s a complete mogger chad so I would hope men with daughters would be more moderate about women’s lib since women do not need a lot of freedom to be just fine, just protections against physical abus…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 08:32 PM
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Well that’s to your own detriment unless you are very attractive or with another man Only very attractive men benefit from sexual liberation because it effects all power dynamics within every kind of romantic and sexual relationship If you’re very attractive or gay then idk what you’re doing here; go enjoy not having to worry about this I guess
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/24 12:54 AM
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What’s best for me is not what’s best for you There are situations where even two individuals of the same gender, ethnicity, language, culture, ect end up unable to reconcile their differences So the difference between what’s best for men and women is even more exaggerated. It’s why I must advocate for men over women and why you should probably advocate for women over men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/24 12:31 AM
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I don’t identify with either incels or pick up artists I just find the term psl mogger convenient for describing the very rare kind of man who probably should be in favor of sexual liberation and women’s rights I am not that level of attractive though so despite currently being in a happy relationship I can’t ignore the suffering of other normal men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/24 12:27 AM
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Not really I find slavery excessively cruel for my tastes I also don’t want to force women to marry any specific guy but I want strict monogamy enforced on both sexes so that they inevitably only have people closer to their genetics and status to choose form Because it negatively affects marginalized groups of men or less attractive men I am against the hypocritical attitudes of traditional men which allow them to discreetly cheat.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/24 12:03 AM
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What good's your family if you can’t exert the control necessary to raise functional sons and maintain stability? There is no family anymore
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/24 11:57 PM
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None of what you propose will happen Western countries can feel like they live in comparatively just societies only because all the bigotry and violent exploitation supposedly done away with has simply been outsourced and exacerbated in other countries You can just assume some fraction of that you own has been produced by slave labor in countries that definitely don’t have equal rights What good is sexual self determination if you are the group that gets excluded from sex and relationship? Unles…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/24 11:55 PM
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Yes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/24 11:48 PM
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I don’t think it’s even unique to human nature. It’s the nature of any living thing to expand, grow, push outward in a way that can an will conflict with agents both living and inanimate There is variability in how different organisms adapt and interact with each other, that’s why not every human conflict culminates in physical violence and why we have things like empathy and complex communication I guess I fear any potential for beneficial variability in the interactions between men and women n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/24 08:56 PM
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I’m not personally amoral But to impose any moral standard you need power and the average behavior of liberated women will be to the detriment of the average man even assuming the best of intentions. That’s why subjugation is a necessary perquisite even if it’s not itself a desirable goal to you. (Or me for that matter) Again, virtually nobody willingly goes to jail in any society. You, in this case we as men, want to be the jailors at least after which we can prevent unnecessary harm towards wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/24 08:10 PM
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And what exactly has the moral high ground ever accomplished in politics?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/24 08:02 PM
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Because why would they? If you’re a woman in a modern western country it makes no sense to go against your own interests No not all of even most women are feminists they promote inherently feminist ideas now
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/24 08:02 PM
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I like this response
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/24 07:43 PM
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