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You aren't making the point that a behaviour is wrong. Or wrong for people in general to do. Only that's it's wrong if men do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:29 PM
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Because you are describing it as a negative thing when it happens... ...if men do it. Only if men do it. Not if women do it. Not if people do it. Only when men do it. It's the same with a whole host of things. Dodgy relationship where there's a power dynamic? Not a problem if it's women with the upper hand. Coercive control? A phenomenon that concieved of as something men do to women. The other way around? Celebrated. Fucking celebrated. Domestic violence? Again, if a woman is the perpetrator it…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:22 PM
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You've said men only put effort into having sex as a form of self validation. Again, women also do that. I don't see anyone pointing out to them that they're wrong to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:09 PM
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Yeah right, the 40 year old women who beds teenagers is valorised by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:06 PM
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Did you not describe yourself as a slut? Idve thought that means you are as willing to use men to scratch the itch of sex in the same way that men get pilloried for
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:04 PM
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It's clear that you see men as beneath you, and then when you do have sex they're just a mean to an end for it. Why are you not self critical about your choices the way you criticise men for using women to scratch and itch the way you use men to scratch an itch?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:06 PM
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The women on question are getting exactly the same thing out of it as the men are. From their point of view, they're leagues ahead of those men in terms of desirability so it's not like the women feel anything for them. They're just using the men to scratch an itch, just like the men. How on earth are you critical of the men then and not critical of the women doing the exact same fucking thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:04 PM
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And women don't get vengeful?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:41 PM
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Women taunt men about how repulsive they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:29 PM
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Because it doesn't work. You can only get as far and recognising the utter pointlessness of talking to a woman, you can't get rid of wanting it. You've got to accept to broken and cursed futility of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:26 PM
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So women don't publicly complain about men who have the audacity to talk them if they're too ugly to be seen? Come off it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:21 PM
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Isn't that just mirroring the language women use to describe undersiable man? As in, she can't stop at being him being ugly. That has to expand into being toxic, and short, and cruel, and unwatmre of how far below her he is, and even further to how he makes her feel disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:14 PM
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That woman only went to have a few drinks with him in the first place because he's physically attractive. She's not going to risk getting beer goggles for an ugly man, but if she wants some, she may well stack the deck. That way, she guarantees only have sex with the highly attractive men and get to claim that "oh he gave me good vibes, and I was just feeling it, nothing to do.with look"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:11 PM
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He was a religions man who waited until marriage. How much more of an undesirable desperate man could you get? He fits the description perfectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:08 PM
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So a woman who gets rejected if she's 30 or older is only being rejected because the man is trying to punish her?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:06 PM
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Ie, the concept that she is rejecting those men hasn't even crossed his mind. And if she was entertaining the advances, what then? Usually the response becomes that she's not responsible for that, either
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:00 PM
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Women are wonderful can't ever be contradicted
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:57 PM
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Women learn how to be good in bed Do they? Or do women learn that they're already amazing and perfect to begin with, so anything that's wrong is not their fault, but the man's?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:15 PM
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He's not blaming her. He's just not dealing with the bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:13 PM
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Being “desired” unless that desire translates to actual tangible benefit” doesn’t mean anything to women And yet if a man says he's not going to bother with a woman because he's not going to benefit from it he's a vicious selfish bastard
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:12 PM
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You're missing the point entirely. It's that the previous men were on a she actually desired versus you who she doesn't. And the way you can tell that is that even if she's the most vanilla or vanilla women, if you always have to do more for her than she ever asked nr expected of the other men for her to want to be around you, the difference can only be down to she doesn't desire you whereas she did desire them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:09 PM
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Why can't women get blasted for their insecurities then?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:04 PM
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prefer the friends to lovers route Doesn't that make you a deceptive liar who wastes men's time and poisons the well?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:09 AM
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I think he is a victim, and could also be a moron True enough for both men and women. Why then can you not say this about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:06 AM
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It sounds like you think that “empathy for men” means women should change to think like men The advice women give here essentially boils down to making men think like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:27 PM
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Therapists would tell you this is the place to use 'I' statements instead of 'you' statements. It isn't 'you play videogames too much,' it's 'I want to do X with you during your videogame time' or whatever. Their perception doesn't really matter, which is why making it more accurate almost never does anything to defuse the argument. Their feeling that they want X matters. That just means her perceptions and what she wants are more important than his perceptions and what he wants. If anything thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:26 PM
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In what way is it a non sequitur? What is the means by which you can demonstrate your capability and improve knowledge etc etc, in the time you spend not doing your job.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:18 PM
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People face career setbacks when they have career interruptions. You seriously think that doesn't happen to a single woman who decides she's going to spend 3 years "finding herself" across south east Asia and south America?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:48 PM
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That 1/3 of the time that's he suspects he's been cuckolded, he's right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:46 PM
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The playing games thing isn't about how much you actually play but how that feels for the other person. If they feel neglected you could play half an hour a week it wouldn't change anything. Same with having sex. You could get sex once a week and still feel grumpy about it only being once a week despite statistics saying it is average. At this point women are trying to have it both ways. That their perception of what's happening is more important than reality if he's only playing games for half …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:45 PM
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That's not even logically consistent
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:32 PM
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I'm sure that because of the disparity of sentencing that exists, women wouldn't ever face the death penalty, just men. Knowing that, why wouldn't women support it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:10 PM
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So why can't I as a man say to a woman that nothing about her is good enough for me to even consider her, the way women can to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:08 PM
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Women say men are so suit that they have to take what they get, that it's actively offensive not to treat a woman like the sun shines out of her arsehold because amongst other reasons, "shes so.kuch more accomplished that him, he's lucky she's agreed to.meet him.in the first place, he's never going to get a chance with someone so amazing" It's women who state that men are so shit and pathetic and functionally ugly and vile and you mad at men taking what women say word for word without question? …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 07:45 AM
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Modern women are typically lonely and, much like a lot of men, have had their brains turned to mush by harmful social media algorithms. Except that's not the case because women say that they're fine and perfect and completely uninfluenced by social media as opposed to the pathetic stupid men. And given that we must take what women say as gospel what you just stated here cant be true. being single is harder on everyone, men, women, and NBs, Again, women say they're great, why would being single h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 07:40 AM
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I don't know why when this energy is mirror d by men we get shit on for it. Women's problem aren't any only our concerned but when you say that your some kind of evil bastard apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:27 PM
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I wouldn't say cruel but certainly not interested. Which is absolutely fine by the way, but what's the point in trying to appeal to people who you never will appeal to? That's just a futile excersize in masochism and any attention you may get us nothing more than proof that you have no backbone and that there's no depths you'll plumb for even derision from women. I wouldn't respect that, nor would I expect anyone else to
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:36 PM
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What would be the point in actively feeding myself to the wolves?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:31 PM
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So you think people are unattractive and have no sexual or romantic attention at all. Then they become attractive and get sexual and romantic attention. But despite the change being in attractiveness only, the reason people are interested in them after the change has got nothing to do with attractiveness. Really?!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:43 PM
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I'm saying they should be honest and admit it's about looks, not the bullshit about personality. At the very least, it shows they are honest and will say what they actually think. Which makes listening to what they have to say far more valuable than someone who will swear blind that looks have nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:03 PM
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It's resentment that they are lying to your face about it being about a charecteristic you always had, rather than you now looking good. It may not be nice, but at least the person going "oh, you're hot now" is actually being honest. The one going "I never noticed before but you're intelligent etc etc" is the lying one there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:50 PM
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So people don't suddenly try and cite things about them which have always been there as a reason to like them? Surely you can seen that when you "glow up" and people start describing your temperament or intelligence - all things that were true pre "glow up" - that it will make people think that those reasons are not the case. Because then they are lying to you, and that is unattractive and enough to trigger a disgust reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:48 PM
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Because it's never the case that they claim to be attracted to the person because theyre hot. They claim to be attracted to them because they're "a good person" or something else which is clearly false.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:49 PM
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If you routinely say things you don't believe, you are a liar then. What's wrong with being taken at your word? I've had lots of things said at me, and when asked why I then treat them definitely, I cite what they said. There's no comeback from that. I believe what I say has meaning, that's why I wouldn't insult someone for something I don't think is bad. If I insult then for something I think is a bad thing, and they don't, at least I'm being honest. I'm not trying to hurt someone, I'm simply s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:24 AM
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If you go around using the fact that being blonde is insulting, then it wouldn't be strange for people to think that you think ill of blonde people. Given that you are happy to use it as an insult, and be known to use it as an insult, it must therefore be the case that you look down on blonde people. Why the insistence that you shouldn't be taken at your word?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:46 PM
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You can't insult someone by using a word you think is a good thing about them. Nobody goes round saying "oh you're tall, good looking, wealthy" as insults, because it makes no sense to insult someone by telling things that are good about them. You insult someone be telling what's bad about them. So by definition, if you insult someone as "short, bald, poor, ugly" that means that you think those are bad things to be. You can't weasel your way out of that. If you don't think that's a bad thing abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:43 PM
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Why are you arguing in favour of ignoring boundaries being fine if the consequences for doing so aren't as great as ignoring them in other situations? It's a blanket statement, not a qualified one. There's no wriggle room here. Not for men. Not for women. This argument boils down to nothing more than "it doesn't really count is a woman does it" l, which stinks to high heaven.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:31 PM
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Pretending and then later showing your true colours feels like a betrayal. Women do this and it's encouraged
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:54 AM
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That not the viewpoint being communicated in any of these articles.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:26 AM
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The women are using it for emotional companionship I imagine a sycophantic yes man is what they imagine an appropriate level of emotional connection actually is. The women already have good interpersonal skills, the boys do not, and AI isn’t helping. If they had good interpersonal skills, they wouldn't have to rely on AI. They're exactly the sort of people who, if male, you'd be crying incel at and trying to hound them out of society. Where's that energy? They're clearly just as utterly pathetic…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:20 AM
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One person having a feast and another scraping crumbs together doesn't mean both were fed
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 08:13 AM
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The love bombing only works if he's attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:56 AM
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Women. If men say that they don't want to help women because it's not their job to, all hell breaks loose despite the same sentiment the other way round being completely fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:46 PM
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And when the aren't apparently it's a problem
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:42 PM
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What's inaccurate about that statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:33 PM
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Exactly. So despite what is being said, women may well derive sexual excitement from being being desired, but only if the man desiring them is valuable i.e. attractive themselves. This just proves that being ugly or average means that there's no point talking to women, and any woman saying she's interested in you is lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:57 PM
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So an ugly man desiring her is going to work for her the same as an attractive man desiring her? I doubt that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:39 PM
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So the men chased a sexual experience prioritising their own desires. You descred a woman doing this, and it was fine. A man doing it? Evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:29 PM
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Women are not delusional about how men think.of the women they hook.up with. WE KNOW. If women know they why do they say that they get hurt by men using them?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:15 PM
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What is important though, is the guy you just hook up with is nothing but an animated sex toy. That's it. Nothing. Oh to see your reaction to men describing women like that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:12 PM
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Most women will say they only find a tiny fraction of the men they see attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:06 PM
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"Women's attraction is all about themselves" Pack it up lads, no way we can compete with a mirror. In all seriousness, this does mean the people saying that a man having to put effort for a woman is never going to who she wants is always going to be correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:02 PM
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It's the women who settle that view their partners as shitboxes
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:01 PM
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Yes, how does ending up partnered mean they caught a woman's attention. Catching their attention is more than just having something mundane. Those men are the box with 4 wheels vs a coach built Rolls Royce coming the other way. You'll be driving the shit box, passing other shit boxes that don't catch you eye, but one of those comes along and you'll notice. That is catching your attention. Ending up partnered doesnt mean you aren't just the shit box. Utilitarian, and indistinguishable. A car you …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:39 AM
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I'd rather be looking for water in the desert than looking for clean water in a sewer. And thats assuming that the water in the desert isn't as foul as the sewer water. What's with this belief that the men are shit and the women are wonderful. Women are just as bad as men, the water is just as foul, you get more of it. My ugly or fat female friends get no dates either and in the rare occasion that they do, it's only to get pumped and dumped, and that's not a "win" for them - they will not orgasm…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:36 AM
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What's the difference if everyone is socialised to think that all women are better and more attractive that men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 02:18 AM
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Most men in real life do catch women's attention How is that possibly true?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 02:14 AM
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Feminism isn't exactly clamouring to correct the leniency women get in criminal convictions as an example. On the contrary, it seeks to increase it. That's hardly an attempt to establish equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 02:13 AM
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What's gendered is the support/outcry for it. Woman comments domestic violence, there must have been a reason, let it go etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:14 AM
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Are your dates emotional needs your responsibility? No. Then why are your emotional needs his responsibility then. And as for showing affection, you are only going to accept if from the peopem you want to accept it from. Using as a tool to get close to someone is fucked up. Keeping me as backup option Come on, it's women who will date multiple men, it's not the women being kept around as backup options Could be that they stopped being into you (they will never communicate why), they found someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:12 AM
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The point is women will do all these things, think that they're justified in doing them, and still think they're morally superior to men
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:19 AM
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That's just embedding a female privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:47 AM
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What I was responding to was a comment saying consent wrt sex if different to consent with anything else. Which it isn't, consent is consent. If you do think no is no for sex but isn't no for other things then you flat out don't believe in that no means no as a universal principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:19 AM
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If a woman says no to me and her having sex it means no. In exactly the same way I mean no if she wants to talk to me and I say no. In both cases to take the no and you leave. Just because in one example its conversation and not sex that's involved doesn't means for that the no is in question, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:08 AM
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Where did you get the idea that I thought a no didn't mean no?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:24 PM
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You think someone saying no should be ignored?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:21 PM
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I don't see why. Saying no should be understood the same way whether it's a woman saying no to sex or someone saying they don't want to talk
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:10 PM
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So if you are having to agree to a monetary or equivalent benefit then you can't truly consent as there's a power dynamic? How does not extend to a load of things, even like only agreeing to a date if the other person pays for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:50 PM
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Agreed. But she wants you to play those games instead. Fuck those games.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:24 PM
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If they got with someone they don't like, why would I believe them if they say "but actually I do like you". Similarly if they previously got with someone who was 'better than nothing' what wrong with questioning them to their face if I'm just better than nothing. If they've used somebody before as a placeholder, how am I not also just a placeholder. It might be a male and female behaviour, but women for some reason think men should be called out for it and face the judgement for it but women sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:59 PM
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I'm brown, so this: It is also inaccurate to say women only do arranged marriages due to pressure and desperation. Is sadly something I'm that I have seen as super pervasive. Millions of people of people are in arranged marriages - how ridiculous to claim all these men are ugly and worthless. Go ask one their opinion? It's pretty clear what women think of most brown men. Being a brown woman doesn't change that, nor should it. "Because he/she is the same race as me" isn't a description of attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:03 PM
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Women routinely say the man they settled for are shorter than the men in there 20s, as well as uglier, and for whom they asked more. And that they don't find home as attractive or, have as much desire for, and fine less exciting, and the men on their 20s are ones she's still fantasising about. That's in women's own words.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:53 PM
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I presume being a woman you'd be far more forgiving of indiscretions committed by daughters as opposed to sons.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:00 PM
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Women also have to convey interest, even if they don't make the first move. Maybe they should, but let's be realistic, if they don't they aren't alone. Women talk about being alone for months at most. Not decades. And that's for time between having sex or being wine and dined on a date. Every woman who's alone for years has had the FWBs, the sneaky links etc etc during that time that they aren't counting. Nonchalant women also get left behind. Again, that doesn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:58 PM
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Who in this situation are you proposing is “cycling” through sexual experiences? Men or women? Statistically, it will be equal. If 1 man is having sex with all the women, then he is the one doing the cycling, not the women. So stop insinuating that women are sluts when that doesn’t add up. You were insinuating that women being in relationships and having sex and being half the population meant that men were also participating at a similar rate. I gave an example thats statistically the same but …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:54 PM
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Where does a mother come in? Why does she have anything to say, and why is it only regarding her son who she wants to control and not her daughter? You are only saying things arent right once it becomes something that can happen to women. When you think it could only happen to men, it's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:39 PM
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Bollocks. Do you say women should put effort towards men for the purpose of earning their interest? Of course not because it's demeaning to the woman. In which case neither should men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:34 PM
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Again, men shouldn't do it, but another thing women are encouraged to do. In which case, why can't men do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:31 PM
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And yet you tell a women she's just a starter wife, she's not going to take that well. Almost as thats not a good thing to describe someone - except if youre a woman actualling that way regarding men, then its fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:30 PM
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Again, there's nothing that the women has to do in your description. Yet we see women will put in effort for men that are attractive. Therefore, if there is no effort from a woman, there's no point. Effort becomes a perfect barometer for if a woman actually has attraction to you. And if she's not attracted to you, nothing will make her attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:21 PM
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Common parlance for women is the starter boyfriend and the starter husband. Men are objects that are traded in constantly by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:13 PM
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I just used that as an example. But as this is a discussion about men not engaging with women and that being the cause of the lack of relationships. I'm just flipping that round and seeing if it's seen the same way. Women not engaging with men. That's not seen as an issue. Therefore men not engaging with women isn't an issue. Any argument you have regarding men not making effort, women not getting offers etc etc that come ls downstream of that is therefore irrelevant. You say that men acting dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:11 PM
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And they are called out for it. So would women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:52 PM
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Because if you then tell women, "you're probably gay/bi" they flip out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:48 PM
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If dating around is what gives you knowledge and worth, doesn't that prove that men who aren't as prodigous and women in dating and sleeping around aren't worth it for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:45 PM
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You do have a basic knowledge of mathematics, don’t you? If half the population are men, and half are women, then for every woman having a relationship or sexual experience is also a man having one. (Not including gay community). Not if there's an imbalance between men and women in how many people of the opposite sex then can spend time with. If there are 10 men and 10 women, and 10 sexual encounters, that's not proof that each person is involved. That condition can be fulfilled with each woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:39 PM
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It's "despite her past" because the men she's with aren't at the level of the men in her past. Therefore she can't value him like she did those men, or enjoy him like she did those men, or appreciate his like she did those men. Lowering herself to him creates a debt to her in the woman's mind that the man can't ever repay, and that means he can't truly make her happy. Her "having a past" means entering a situations in which nothing you do or are can every be valued.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:36 PM
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The point is that women do it all the time. What's wrong with doing it to women? Nobody thinks it makes them more attractive, it's about getting on a level playing field. If someone does something shitty to you, the best response to get them to stop is to do the shitty thing to them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:27 PM
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Would you have turned down her getting tickets to a local band playing in a pub? Said that it's not good enough, and that's she'd need to come up with a better offer if you were going to enjoy going to a gig with her? If you had, then yes, I'd say you don't enjoy spending time with your wife
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:25 PM
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She's going to act distant and be confused why you didn't talk to her. Acting distant is just levelling the palying field.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:16 PM
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Obviously they're mutually exclusive if what's she excited about is the event you are going to and not the opportunity to spend time with you. The former is dependent on the venue, the latter isn't. If I were to ask a woman to a fancy restaurant on a date, she's not excited to spend time with me. All her effort and anticipation is for the event, maybe to meet a man there. I'd just be the way she gets there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:15 PM
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Why do you say its mens coldness and not men calibrating themselves to womens interest in them. I'm hardly going to pretend a women is anything other than going to see me as beneath her. Her perception of me will devalue in her eyes anything and everthing I do. Knowing that, what's the point of not being cold to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:12 PM
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The point is you had to buy your way in. She's not excited to spend time with you, it's only the restaurant, event etc. that you had to sort put that holds her interest. You are just the means to what's she's excited about.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:05 PM
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I'm talking about a situation where despite talking to you, it's only because her freinds or teammates or whatever have left, and not because she's actually interested in you. For example, on a night out, and deciding to speak to a man expecting him to buy her a drink for the privilege. She may learn lots about him in that conversation, but as her initial intent was to use him, any subsequent connection that's established is tainted and diseased. Isn't that what women say about speaking to men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:03 PM
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Bollocks, you can improve and withhold it from her the same way she's withholding from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:58 PM
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Because the defend women doing the same actions that they criticise men for. They can only do that because the principle they are adhering to isn't that x or y is a bad thing to do to someone, it's that men are always wrong and women are always justified
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:57 PM
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By not choosing to talk to me or similar as a shit option they were forced into.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:54 PM
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Its worthless if the reason they noticed that in you was because they were bored, not because they liked you. It's like when people try to butter you up to get you to do something. It's makes whatever they said bitter, and disingenuous. So much so that when you can tell that you will reflexively go "can I please stop you. No I won't do what you want now can you fuck off. See how I didn't need to butter you up before asking for what I wanted from you first?"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:50 PM
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Does anyone? When they're not there to enjoy your company, but to distract themselves with food until their hookup is free?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:48 PM
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Oh no, the prospects are going from zero to zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:15 AM
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So what's the issue with ghosting then? Surely thats the best thing to do, you as a man shouldn't say that you like or dislike something she does because that could influence and therefore pressure her. She should be free to make her choice and if that doesn't work you should disappear and cut her out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 06:54 PM
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Their choices? It's perfectly normal for a woman tomjudge a man based on his choices, what's the issue with it the other way round?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:57 PM
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That's why I don't get it when people are morally outraged when a woman has sex with a "lowlife". You shouldn't be outraged but you should be able to judge them on it, same as a man and ho only sleeps with junkie women will be judged for it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:46 PM
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you look like you just got punched in the face and skulk away without trying to de-escalate, as understandable as it is, you actually put giant strain on them because now they are feeling bad for you and their couple of hours at gym are truly ruined over something that they never had control over. They won't feel anything about it, let alone feel bad about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:38 PM
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He's highlighting that women see it's as a viable way to treat men. If gender swapping it makes it wrong to do then it was always bad to do and women shouldn't be doing it in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:51 PM
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If women were wery they wouldn't date. They wouldn't fuck. A mind bendingly long time to not have sex for a woman is barely a few months. It's never decades. Unless that's the time between dates for women, saying women are weary of dating and fucking men is hyperbole.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:27 PM
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Women think dating men is always risky. And yet women routinely go.out and pursue casual relationships, which can only happen if they want the man enough to overcome the risk. So if a woman has overcome the risk to have a one night stand more often than to date an ugly man, she values the one night stand man more
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:05 PM
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And yet women still routinely pursue it all the same
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:41 PM
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even if small is genuine and respectful for the most part. Bold assumption. How is it genuine and respectful if her attention is because she couldn't get the man she wanted? Or it turns out out it's only because she thinks she so far above you you can't possible refuse? Or she's subconsciously (or lets face it, consciously) trying to punish herself?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:41 PM
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You responded to my initial statement as if I had said men don't have mood swings when I did no such thing. So given that, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that you think it's acceptable that men have to accept from women. No one gets to be a jackass - men or women. Women categorically do
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:39 AM
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I don't think men having mood swings justifies them being cunts, no. I've had to bear the brunt of men having mood swings at me and it's not great, I've let them know I'm not having it and that they can fuck right off with it. The idea that if its a woman doing it I should accept it is mindbendingly preposterous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:23 AM
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What are mood swings referring to then?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:00 AM
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That's not the same as having the financial and emotional responsibility dumped on you them, and them having mood swings allowing them to periodically abuse you. That's reasonable to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:58 PM
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And deal with mood swings?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:53 PM
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deal with her mood swings, or take on financial and physical responsibilities. Who would?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:52 PM
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They are there to socialise with their friend, not with you though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:12 PM
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I’ve always advocated for extended social circles where you and your friends always kinda know each other and are familiar with each other’s behavior. We're talking about asked Ng women out, why the hell would you do that withing an extended social circle. Everyone within it is on a box labelled friendship and you can't break them out of it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:53 PM
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When a woman likes you, she wants to be near you, she’ll invite you to come closer, if you talk about something you’re doing after work, she’ll be enthusiastic to hear about it. This is obvious, and clear. Yet you are amongst the people who will claim that men should take it upon themselves to "put themselves out there" and talk to women who don't do this, and clearly don't want those men anywhere near them. I've said before, that if a women doesn't seem excited to see you then you shouldn't eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:03 PM
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If that's the case how can the vast majority of individuals do things that call be called misogynistic? As they do not have power. Most men don't have power, so following your logic they can be as dismissive and hateful of women but their lack of power means they can never do anything that qualifies as misogyny
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 12:23 PM
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It doesn't matter because she's always going to have access to sex to keep her self esteem up, and when she does want a child shell just go fine and 18 year old to knock her up quick fast. At no point will a woman who doesn't want a man, want a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 11:14 PM
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You don't build a life to suit your friend and that cannot be bought.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:08 PM
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Seems an empty life if all you are there for in to provide funds. If she's not attracted to you, where and why has the need to be with you come from? If it's not there it sounds like friendship, and no matter how intense and deep that is nobody should be building a life to serve a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:51 PM
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But it was never like that… they were always attracted to a combination of looks, confidence, success, and all that… but young guys in their early 20s etc. just don’t HAVE any of the other stuff. The attractive man never had any of that either but women still go for him. That can only be because they're attracted to him so much it doesn't matter, but the rest of us require the other stuff to barter our way in to a date with a woman that doesn't find us attractive. That's a terrible deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:00 AM
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Why? Surely from a woman's point of view it's desirable? You can cut out ever having to interact with a great swath of the underclass, no man you ever talk to or see is going to be attractive to you, you'll all be happier
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:08 AM
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What's the point in trying to solve it? Women want the minority of attractive men and steps to change that are pointless and only delay that. The best thing to prevent this is just not interacting with women so that their desire comes true. They won't disparage men once they only men they ever have the option to interact with are the good looking ones. That's truly the only guaranteed way you'll get women to stop hating men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:02 AM
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Are women going to stop? Not a chance. Why would anyone party stop when they consider what they are doing as a reasonable act, and themselves as morally superior as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:40 PM
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Quite similar to the story about Krishna and Kansa, where Kansa is told his eighth born nephew will kill him, so he decides to imprison his sister and brother-in-law, kill all the babies his sister births and when questioned by his minister as to why he won't just spare his nephews and kill the eighth one replies "if you draw a circle and draw eight dots within it, how am I to tell which is the first and which is the eighth?". It's meant to show how monstrous and evil a being he is, but now this…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:37 PM
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But when you did it at the time you will have had your justifications, so what were they?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:46 PM
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Why do you need to communicate to them that though?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:25 PM
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You aren't leaving it days or weeks though right? Anyone saying that the men should be giving women grace that can't respond in reasonable time are all just advocating for those men wasting their own time and self esteem
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:01 PM
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You'd respond "I'm busy" at least
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:49 PM
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Has she announced it? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:48 PM
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Why? It also assumes that it matters to the other person. The scenario is all about a woman that doesn't care and has checked out. That means that nothing you can do or say matters to her or can upset her. So what's the point of hanging about just so you can claim that you haven't ghosted? It's an action that has no point to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:34 PM
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Where did I say it's feminine? I said I've observed it's justified when women do it. And if it's fine for women to do then it's fine for men to do, this is justifiable behaviour for people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:20 PM
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Justified, not feminine. If you're playing a sport and the other team are getting physical, the appropriate response is to match them, not back off and let them win. If it's wrong, it would be wrong for both sides to do it. If you notice flying elbows and knees not being punished by the referee, well then, it's open season. Maybe it descends into a violent farce, but that's the only way to get it punished if you don't like it, moaning at the referee isn't going to help, that's just being weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:16 PM
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"I don't want to continue the relationship, I wish you the best"? You think if a woman cares about being sent that, that's it's because it's well received by her? The only way that's going down if she even does care to read it is a response of "how dare you!"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:56 PM
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Women say a man having standards is toxic and misogynistic, because how dare they! The assholes thing is more that despite what women say, you can easily observe that women aren't turned off by it and give it a free pass is the mania attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:53 PM
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So a short message "I can see you don't give a shit, I'm out" Is helpful? How?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:45 PM
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What is good about telling a woman, "I'm leaving now". It's a waste of both persons time. Will she notice or care? No, she's not interested in him. Will he somehow benefit? No. It's not like he's lying. Of course if he was asked he should tell the truth, but the fact that she's not even asking is proof enough that nothing matters and what's the value in going out of your way to basically bitch to her about how she doesn't care?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:40 PM
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Why would a man who she doesn't give a shit about leaving elicit any sort of response from her? If she's disinterested, nothing he can do is going to hurt her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:36 PM
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Do women think that it's fine for them to do it? Yes. So its fine to do it to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:27 PM
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Women do it all the time and it's justified. That's just the way the game is played, and given that's the case, being happy to dish it out, it's justified to for them to take it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:24 PM
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Because that's what the woman would do? Why would anyone man go out of his way to show courtesy to someone who wouldn't ever show it to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:22 PM
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So you wanted to have a one night stand, no not unreasonably you put yourself amongst the men you find most attractive and valuable. That's the point, when you are attracted to the man, you act like you enjoy being with him and will make an effort to do so. There is no clearer sign that you as a man are unattractive and only seen as a backup to women than her having to get something out of you for it to be worth her efforts to bother being near you, rather than being excited just to spend time w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:19 PM
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So clearly they were so attractive you changed your mind. That makes them better men than ones who are too ugly to be desirable to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:53 PM
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I don't think anyone believes that, if they did, they'd call it out on principle. They only call it out if men do it. That means they only think it's wrong if men do it, it's all fine if women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:41 AM
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I'm saying women think they should have the man fall head over heels for them, whilst they make him justify why she should choose him. And I agree that's mad, I'm then showing it is by flipping the genders and asking " now, does it still seem reasonable?" , to which the response is always that's it's not, but never because it isn't right in principle, but it isn't right to do to women. Which just creates a justification to disparage women, in much the same way men claiming "it's wrong to lie and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:36 AM
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I take it that not a good thing to say to women, but apparently men are duty bound to rejoice at being told it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:21 PM
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Why else would a woman have to delve into the box of rejects?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:58 PM
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Id counter that with the case of Caroline Flack, whose case in the opinion of the CPS crossed the threshold of a victimless prosecution (one where the victim refuses to co-operate) yet is somehow seem as police misconduct despite the evidence they had. She commited suicide and how there's been a prolonged public image of her as a trouble woman put under strain by an investigation and not just as a domestic abuser. Any man doing what she did would have been seen as a coward who committed suicide …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:56 PM
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Because when you question it, as opposed to taking it at face value, that caveats all come tumbling out. I'm mature now the last guy hurt me you'll won't ask as much from me she's recently broken up Etc etc. You can dress it up but it all boils down to you best try and talk to her while she's hurt before she gets her mojo back. To which they only reasonable response is "why the fuck should I if the only way she's open to talking to me is because shes hurt?".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:47 PM
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Why mention it being bad for men to do rather than people to do ( including men)?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:27 PM
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Which is fine, can I say that to women? "You're fuck ugly, but you'll do"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:24 PM
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No actually. But I don't agree with anyone saying he's dutybound to listen to that horseshit. Anymore than a woman has to listen to a man. But the expectation is that as a man, he is dutybound to listen to her and feel good about it. That's bollocks. You can do the right thing, or perform your responsibilities, but you don't have to like it. Women demanding that the men like it is baffling.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:22 PM
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Just because you could doesn't mean you will. It does mean she's not pretending to like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:20 PM
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And you'd be happy with being with a man that would sum you up as "Eh, fuck it. She'll do"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:19 PM
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Consolation prize. As soon as he loses the ability to perform that skill she's off. It's not real, and never will be. It's not like she likes him for who he is, she saw that to begin with and was generously, neutral. Who in the world is always top top and kind every second of every day
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:18 PM
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Again, not a question women are asked. All female expressions of emotions are valid, no matter what consequences result from it. Lonely? Cheatings fine. Angry? Hitting men is fine. If that's not right then it should be the case for both men and women. I just don't get why the double standard is celebrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:16 PM
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Why? It's fine for women to have anger and rage at men, those emotions are fine for women to have and express. Why not for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:12 PM
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You may think that but the signal.they get is that they are justified in anything they do. Even discussions like this where they may recognise as being about behaviour they do gets undercut with the caveat that it's only bad and should be called out of its men doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:56 AM
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Women also participate willingly in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:54 AM
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I would argue it's rational given that it's going to happen whether you want to or not. Which makes the choice between hoping it doesn't happen and being unprepared when it does, or anticipating it for when it does happen and not being defeated by it. It's the same thing with vulnerability/weakness. You may not want them to be one and the same but sadly if showing vulnerability shows a weakness then they are functionally the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:11 AM
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You mention testing your partner instead of trusting them. Women shit test, and it's encouraged.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:49 AM
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Maybe it's just as prevalent in women but you only want the spotlight to be on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:41 AM
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No woman thinks they're unattractive, and even if they did they still aren't going to see anything but the top men as attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:36 AM
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Isn't that a state that women create, their genuine attraction is lto.limitef men, that are attractive to a plurality of women. And women are willing to be a mistress, fling, secret partner to a man in a great number of cases, so they have a part to play in creating that scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:35 AM
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You're saying it's a reason that they sabotage relationships. But if that was a valid mechanism that sabotages relationships, it would be true bor both men and women and it's clear from what you say that you're don't think it's relevant for women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:33 AM
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Oh come on, women think men are evil useless degenerate bastards and nobody says that's making them sabotage anything, they're celebrated for it. This is yet another example of "It's only bad if it's a man doing it"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 12:30 AM
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Which means that only the attractive men can engage on a relationship that's not devalued by on party having to trick themselves that she's attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 11:59 PM
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Attractiveneas is still a necessary and primary condition though, even if it's insufficient
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 10:39 PM
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What they falsely passed that filter? What if you subsequently find an incompatibility? What if you find that you aren't emotionallly investedM what if any or all of those things occur if the second dates or the fifth date, or the tenth date etc etc? Does that mean none of it counts as you dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 10:34 PM
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So the second date only counts because you've learned all about the person? You're aware of how ridiculous that sounds, surely? What exactly is the threshold of knowing someone enough that it counts as a date then, and why is that threshold only ever passed between the first an second date, and not ever any other point in time?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 10:15 PM
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In what way? The first date is a subset of dating
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 09:49 PM
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Sure, and if you only have one pint a night you're teetotal. A first data is still a date. Would you go on a first date with someone you thinks ugly? No. Would you go on one you think is horrible? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 09:48 PM
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How can dates not count as dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:00 PM
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Women do judge men for not being sexual enough, say you are a virgin or inexperienced as a man and the women will judge you far more harshly than any man judges a women with a past and you know that. It's why even women advise men who are inexperienced to lie to women about leat they get weirder out by it. Women who sleep round are judged less hardly than men who don't, and it's not even close
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 11:20 AM
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All of that to say "It's only shitty when guys do that... and end up hurting women" Only when men do it, women get a free pass. Even when you are trying to argue against it its so embedded in the language you use you can't help but give it away
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:55 AM
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Lol, the robot sex toy caveats only there because it's so ubiquitous for women already
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:06 AM
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Nor should you. But in no way should women be able to get away with pretending the man they settle with is in any way one they desire. If there honest about that the man would know he's justified in being as cynical and arms length with her as she is with him - at present women get to benefit from the men they settle with treating them better and in higher regard than the women treat those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:00 PM
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You can empathise with the choices someone makes, and still call them fucking idiots for doing it. I can empathise that someone thinks because I'm brown that I want "good Indian boy things". The empathy is necessary to recognise I'm not viewed as a person by them and to avoid interaction with them as much as possible. I can empathise that someone thinks I'm short and therfore will back out of a 50/50 challenge. I use that to know I can go into that challenge and they won't be prepared to take th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:28 AM
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A) why should they? Would womengo out of their way to defend a man who's been abused by a woman they dont know or whose action they condone? B) women are requiring those men to feel guilt for it, as they are asking them to face the consequences for it. A man may not have done either of thise things but he has to agree with the burden of suspicion women place on him. It's used to justify forums where unsubstantiated claims can be just made amount men with no proof and it be treated as fact. Its u…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:17 AM
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Yeah, but women will say that man what an immature selfish and callous man for sleeping round when he was younger when he could have been serious etc etc. and then turn round and say bur it's fine if women do it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:08 AM
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So why the push back when men say there's no point to dating because women aren't looking to dating them? Women should be cheering on the majority of men not bothering as they are too ugly for women and leaving only the attractive men for them to date, fuck and marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:28 AM
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Women are complaining that men are as cynical about them as they are about women
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:13 AM
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They're complaining that they're doing the same thing that the men they want are doing. In which case those women should have a go at the men they want, not at the men they don't want. Frankly it ruins the only perk of being ugly, that nothing you do actually affect women so really women should have a reason to get upset with you or have a go with you or even interact with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 08:02 PM
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Women moan about the dating behaviour of men in general, but for me hat reason. How can the choice to not date by men she wouldnt date be a choice that negatively affects her? Women say that all the time to men, hell I've had it told to me by women I knew wouldn't ever date me
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:51 PM
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The issue is men are blamed for making things worse for that woman because he's not dating. He's now apparently at fault for her finding it difficult to get a man despite him not being a man she would want to date, and certainly why should he bother to try if the only reason he's duty bound to do so is to make the dating life of people who despise him easier. I certainly wouldn't bother working overtime to get a middle manager a few rungs above me who never has or would even talk to me a bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:14 PM
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Men struggle with finding dates with women, but when they do, they often find women who are seeking something long term and are trying to measure compatibility. Why is this such a common assumption that the women out there are somehow "better quality" than men? Women can easily find dates, but when they do, they often find men who are seeking sex instead of a long term relationship and the men are willing to say anything to get the sex that they want. No woman would ever go out with the intentio…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:10 PM
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Yeah, as it's the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 04:03 PM
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That's my point though, if women are using it to describe men who no woman would find attractive, aren't they using it wrongly even in their own definition of that description? And yeah, men do know that when women say these things those women are describing that behaviour from an attractive man. But somehow its an issue to just state that - that the personality only counts from an attractive man, and that as an unattractive man, even if a woman is saying your personality is what woman would wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:14 PM
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So women use it as a way to describe a man women would want to date? So if women use that to describe their friend, who women do not want to date, aren't they wrong then?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 02:14 PM
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Looks are not enough, however they are a necessary but insufficient condition. And I would say for the other traits to be noticed requires them to be looking at you in the first place to notice them. It's not for no reason people either notice that all the men will good personalities are attractive, and all the men with bad ones are attractive. It's not the looks creating those personalities, it's that you pay attention to the penalties of attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 02:13 PM
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That's like describing a car with a luxury interior being a catch despite all the wheel being stolen and the wiring missing. A catch implies both looks and personality, to pretend otherwise is gaslighting pure and simple. Just because a woman gaslights doesn't make it ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:50 PM
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Look, if a person has a trait, it's visible to anyone who pays attention to them, right? What you are describing is that you have noticed a traite because he's your friend that you think is good, but you aren't attracted to him. If, from his perspective, the only people that notice him are ones he's friends with, then he is ugly, otherwise other people would notice him because they are attracted to him, and notice the traits, and go out with him. Given that never happens, he must be ugly. Do you…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:48 PM
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If the only people who think he has those good traits are only ones who wouldn't date him, he's ugly. It's just not feasible or realistic to think that you as a man have some wildly attractive traits but that also they are only visible to people who aren't attracted to you. If you were attractive, every so often a woman would come along who'd see those trainers and be attracted to you. The fact that that doesn't happen just means youre ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:13 PM
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If they're ugly they can't be a catch
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:10 PM
2

I don't, I would never assume that. I'm saying that if a woman did say they were attracted to me that's it's so anomalous I'd have to test whether it's genuine or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:11 AM
1

You joke but women do have databases of exactly that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:37 PM
2

Men should probably ask a woman if she's talking to him if she's on that part of a period and if she is, shut her down because it's her hormones and not her that wants to talk to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:33 PM
3

You can try, but only your friends are probably coming, nobody new will. Frankly women are going to have more pull that a man when it comes to organising a social activity and have people come to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:16 PM
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Theres a difference between blaming everything on others and refusing to validate everything a woman says and does. If a man were to suggest that how a omwoman is describing him isn't correct, he's automatically a man with a frail ego who can't hack his own mistakes because he dared to say that the woman wasn't perfect
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:11 PM
2

Both men and women operate under the general principle that if the man fucks up, it's his fault. And if the woman fucks up, it's his fault. An example of this is how men cheating is because he's a piece of shit, and women cheating is because poor her she couldn't help it and he's a piece of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 09:54 PM
3

And how exactly are women held accountable? Do women pay a social price, or show remorse or show a recognition of their inferior decision making? Or, are they socially supported and celebrated?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 09:51 PM
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If they thought it's just their man, that's what they'd say. They don't say that, they say we're all evil. Whats wrong in judging a woman from her own damn words?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 09:48 PM
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You can't flirt at someone, only with someone. And frankly if you're too ugly for women, you aren't qualified to flirt And as for corrupting someone? A man saying that would be ostracised, why'd you get to do it and it be fine and normal rather than the demands of a control freak?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 11:09 AM
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They know that if the selection was just a bunch of men standing naked in a room, with no futher info about their income, status, family wealth etc, they would probably get omitted even by average or below average looking women. That's the nature of attraction. Isn't this the optimum dating scenario for women - where only the attractive men exist and women no longer have to interact the with rest of men. I'm confused by why this is trotted out as something women wouldn't want when we know women …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 12:04 PM
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I see no indication that she thinks folks in the trades are dumb— especially since she says she herself is intelligent and is in trades. That's literally what I wrote, and you accused me of not being able to read. maybe you're the illiterate one? I'm picking up on the fact that she only mentions dating people she's qualified as acceptable because she's on their level. I can tell that you and her found out they had an interest in things they didn't share, you'd discount them immediately. I know t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 12:55 AM
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She says she considers herself intelligent and that she went into a trade. She can hardly say that and consider her colleagues morons, can she?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 12:26 AM
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All those things you mention, they are relevant only to you, yet you use them as a means to place yourself above others.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 10:06 PM
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I mean in the way that if a woman thinks you are uneducated, she won't talk to you. If you appear poorer than her, she won't talk to you. If you are a lower class than her, she won't talk to you. Forget a relationship or a dare or just sex. She will literally see interacting with you as beneath her, so what's the point. It does enrage segregation, sure, but it's what women want. It's less about being fine with being desperate, it's the opposite. It's knowing she's always going to see you as less…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 09:47 PM
3

Again, it a man told a woman "I wouldn't ever date you, you're too poor" it would be beyond the pale. Men on the other hand, know that's what every woman assumes of him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:35 PM
2

To what end? So a woman who's crashes and burned can lie to herself that she's attracted to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:47 PM
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Women should stop trying to fob people off onto those men then.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:41 PM
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Why would women want more men to be attractive? A man who has to become attractive can only be inherently flawed. If a man is flaw d he isn't worth a woman's attention, let alone attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:40 PM
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So then, why not as a woman make it clear that unless you are a highly attractive man, that you shouldn't date. Women should be broadcasting loudly that whats ideal for them and society is all women dating and fucking only the attractive men, as that's what means women are all satisfied and removes the penalty for women having to settle with men who she thinks are below her ( all women being 10s).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:22 PM
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Right, but a man has to become economically viable to become worthy of dating. Women don't have to. The whole "date whilst you are making progress" is only for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:01 PM
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I had a friend whom I liked, and whom I would have considered dating if I had been single If you were a man that's already beyond the pale though. You've just described how much more leniently women have it when it comes to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:00 PM
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Only an injustice of it happens to women though. Men are supposed to be told they're fucking useless. Women are so unused to it even gender swapping a scenario that originally has them cheering somehow becomes unjust
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:58 PM
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So you entertained it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:47 PM
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That's fine. Its therefore equally valid for men who want get laid to also be the subjects of their desires. Somehow that's evil If I gender swap a situation nothing should change. But it does. That means there's an inconsistency. If it benefits women, your fine with it. Well then, you should be fine with the ones that benefit men then. You are not. Pick one. Either both men and women should be selfish in their desires or neither. Not yes for women and not for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:44 PM
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No emotional or physical affairs then?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:26 PM
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I see you demand men treat women as someone desirable, but nothing on women doing the same for men. An egalitarian would think women should treat treat men as someone they desire as well, otherwise the women should be ignored for romantic purposes. You then are no egalitarian, but a supremacist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:24 PM
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Difference is in such relationships, the men are aware she's only picked him because she fucked up and had to (though why you would accept that I don't know), but the women go round thinking whes hot shit, and treats him like she's somehow above him and where he has to commit to her, she owes him no such thing (or anything) The whole his money is their money, her money is her money being one such example of this. Another being of he fucks up it's unforgable and she can use it as a get out clause…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:03 PM
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She's still going to covertly date and sleep with attractive men in that instance. He may be committed, she won't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:33 PM
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Average women aren't going to preferentially date an average man over an attractive one though, which is what you are assuming.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:31 PM
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"economically attractive men" Imagine telling a woman she's "economically unattractive".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:28 PM
2

Those average looking women will not treat those average looking men like they are desirable, especially because they have experienced men who are attractive and desirable. But woe betide those average looking men who dare treat the average looking women like average looking women and not as the best thing that could ever happen to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:27 PM
1

So women can lie. Women can defraud. Women can molest. Women can murder. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 07:15 AM
1

What context could possibly justify that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 07:09 AM
1

Where have I done that? What you've done is quote an assertion that you've made.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:38 PM
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And how exactly have I done that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:35 PM
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And how's that? As far as I can tell if a man does it it's hateful and wrong, but gender swap it and it's fully justified. How?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:30 PM
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So where's your condemnation? You say men hate women, and condemn that.but the other way around? Just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:25 PM
0

Again, women can't ever do anything wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:22 PM
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By that standard women don't like men either, where your vitriol for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:21 PM
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Ah, so when a man does it it's because he's a piece of shit, the woman is fine. When a woman does it she fine, it's because the man is a piece of shit. Pure women are sugar and spice and everything nice, that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:20 PM
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Why don't you shut down women doing the same thing though? Surely that's also wrong, but no, that's justified. Women are wonderful and infallible and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:10 PM
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Sure, sure. In much the same way there are highly educated people who end up taking the shit overnight warehouse job for minimum wage to earn money. But it's not like they want to be there. And god knows they are still allying elsewhere for a job that better suits their skills. And the moment they get it, they are out of there, no hesitation. Except in this case, the warehouse knows as much and aren't being insisted upon to pretend like they the graduate dream employer. But for ugly men, the wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:09 PM
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They may wish they were and only in the relationship because of the external socialetal.pressure to be a parent and settled down. That's not exactly a good thing, especially when women themselves would be far happier alone for most of their lives and only briefly with a man as long as the man is actually attractive to them, not just useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 01:15 PM
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Women are valid in losing interest when there's no spark but what the hell are they doing going round telling men that they should ask out and entertain women who will never have the spark with them because theyre not attractive men? It's like they enjoy making idiots of delusional men. Just be honest, unless you are attractive, no woman is ever going to feel a spark and so the entire business of dating for those men is nothing but pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 01:13 PM
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Not man is that stupid. Any woman claiming that it is is clearly lying and trying to butter him up for something, likely the guillotine. Run. Away.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 12:20 PM
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So if one must "leave immediately" at the first sign of asshole, then the relationship would never get off the ground. Women say constantly that men deserve no empathy or chances. This is therefore entirely coherent with what women say about men. People make dumb mistakes- is he a crappy person or was he just anxious? Did he deserve to be fired? Did he have a bad day or is he always like this? You need time to figure out another person's baseline. And are women asking these questions about the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:53 PM
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I'm saying trusting someone includes knowing what they chose in the past and why. And before you cut me off with "women mature and change", women also use and justify the dissemination of information of what men did in their pasts, so it's definitely a valid thing to use to judge someone and whether there are worth trusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:24 PM
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Including what they used to choose?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:56 PM
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So to prove you are worth trusting would require an insight into why you do what you do, wouldn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:53 PM
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So you should be fine with not being trusted until you prove you can be then?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:19 PM
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Ok, what are you ways women show attraction that aren't immediately catorgorisable as just friendly behaviour? The fact is what you list with be laden with caution and nuance and such but when attractive men are around said caution and nuance go out of the window. As an example, the only time I've had a drink bought for me was an incredibly unsubtle bribe to leave a friend the woman hads pent 5 mins pawing at before saying a word.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:43 PM
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Women are not expecting commitment for making out, what lunacy is that? The entire trope is that she starts making out with him and then has to stop herself before things progress to sex. For the attractive men, of course not. She does that for her own enjoyment. That's entirely valid and correct. If the woman is not showing interest in you prior to sex, that should tell you something. Women (and men) show physical interest prior to sex even if they both don’t want to cross the sexual boundary y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:32 PM
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You can fake that. Plus women will do that with people they aren't attracted to, so I hold them at their word. I guess if that's the case you aren't going to use that as a means to shame... Oh wait, yeah, you are. Guess you have to be a ultra attractive man who regularly sleeps with many women in order to count to women. The fact is that women expect commitment from the less than attractive men to permit engagemenr with kissing and touching or other such "indicators of attraction" because with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:03 PM
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But not because it's fun, or you're attracted to him, or frankly because you want to like times you have have had previously. No, he has to be committed to her. So he's had to barter his way to that point, without any hint of enthusiasm or attraction from your end. And then what happens when it's not gone well, and he leaves? You now have carte blanche to bad mouth him then, with a free conscience. He's broken the contract in your mind, and he has to pay. Yet if he were to say that you have to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:36 PM
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Oh no, men want enthusiastic sex with women as opposed to bartered sex, how delusion of them! Why is that a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:15 PM
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Right but it's not like she acts attracted to those men by being attentive and within his personal space whereas you are throwing brickbats at him right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:13 PM
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Right ght, but the point is even if the men who inspire the attraction may vary between women, they way women respond to it isn't as varied. A woman acting friendly is just being friendly, it isn't attraction so you shouldn't delude yourself into thinking that it is
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:12 PM
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Yeah, if you say you don't deal with shitty behaviour, what the hell were you doing not leaving immediately? After missing hat first chance, you hold some responsibility for what comes after because you had the opportunity to leave and you chose not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:09 PM
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If I had it would be my fault. No cop out description of "it's not really my fault". Any woman saying she had a bad relationship before and staying that is basically telling everyone that if something goes wrong she's going to blame it all on you, claim that she only made the decision because of some reason that absolves her of the decision making responsibility and that you are evil for taking advantage of that. I am responsible for the decisions I take, so I have a responsibility to avoid that…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:31 PM
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I did it because I had low self esteem from an abusive childhood and wanted to save him like I couldn’t save my dead brother. That's tough and all, but you know full well you wouldn't accept a man using that an excuse for their choices, why is it acceptable for you or any other woman using it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 10:31 AM
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Come on, you know full well with men it's a one strike and you're out deal. Should be the same for women. Men using the "I was young and dumb" excuse is pathetic, women shouldn't be able to use it as a cop out either.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 10:29 AM
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So what's wrong with admitting the truth, which is that woman can only find a tiny monory of men attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:30 PM
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Give the women the chance and those average men are history
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:29 PM
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Yet when do state just that, that women do desire men but only a subset of men, that's shouted down
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:28 PM
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Splendidabrown isn't a forever alone sub, it's a brown womens sub dedicated to making sure they don't have to debase themselves by interacting with brown men. Another example of if it were men it'd be called out for what it is - white chasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:41 PM
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Because they don't want to be treated like they're genuinely subhuman for it, which is what many many dudes (and plenty of gals) do, and that shit is often wielded as a tool, a weapon and an excuse to insult them, ignore boundaries and try to abuse them. Not cool. So just like men who aren't mega successful with women then? But that's just fine and dandy apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:55 PM
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I know what you want the answer to be is the 7, but let's be realistic. She's still only talking to me because she's failed to be with the man she desires and has been forced by her own failure to lower herself to talking to me. Why would I look on that with any grace? She's still only there because I'm a "safe option" that should be thankful she's talking to me. A fallback for when it all went to shit. I couldn't do that. Id end up calling out the lie. And hating myself for being such a spinele…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:22 PM
2

Ok, can you see why if a man went on a date with a woman and she didn't seem to show any excitement or interest, or comfort, that it's in the best interest of both of them that he jacks it in rather than trying to get her interested? It's a futile pursuit. And no, there's a difference between a woman being excited to see a film or go to a restaurant or some other event and being excited to spend time with him? All men here are saying is that where this happens, he should leave - if she's interes…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 04:26 PM
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Attraction and arousal aren’t the same thing. Attraction is “I like this person and I’d be into them touching me.” Arousal is “I’m turned on right now and want to have sex.” So if you were on a date with someone and you never even sat next to them, it's a pretty open and shut case that you aren't into them then. If you are into them touching you, then you'd be into touching them. If you can't bring yourself to sit next to them, then... When I went on first dates, I sometimes felt attraction, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 03:54 PM
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No, I think having to jump over a million hoops just for the chance to be noticed means a woman is not attracted to a man. You say turning a woman on takes work, so if that's a means of calculating how much you are valued by someone, it stands to reason that the men women put effort into are the one women actually want. Women aren't putting any effort into men unless they're highly attractive. So by your own yardstick it's easy to see who women want, and it's not the average man. And the questio…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 03:29 PM
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Sure. But men aren't going round they're morally superior because they don't do this. Women are. Women are painting themselves as being morally superior to men when that's utter bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:54 PM
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No, but I don't see how this makes a difference. The online profile of attractive man Vs knowing an ugly man? You'll know more about the attractive man because you'll read his profile Vs not paying attention to the ugly man. The online profile of an ugly man Vs knowing an attractive man? You'll know more about the attractive man because you'll pay attention to him and not bother reading the online profile of the ugly man. The critical condition governing whether you'll pay attention or read a pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:53 PM
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Again, will you notice if a ugly man is disrespectful or unkind? No, because you won't have any interaction to find that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:37 PM
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No, if I pay attention to the picture and ignore the video.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:34 PM
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But you only noticed the other aspects of men, good and bad, b cause of looks. It's a human thing. The thing men get shafted for doing, paying attention to who's fit? Women do it to. The idea your brains are less visually stimulated when you describe women claiming they care more about personality than men? If that's the case, why can women recite War and Peace on the pros and cons of attractive men, but the square tool of fuck all on the personalities of ugly ones. Women need to stop pretending…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:33 PM
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They're the same person. They can't be uglier or more attractive on an app as opposed to in person. And my point still stands. You aren't going to look at how a bridge troll holds themselves. How the bridge troll holds themself is not going to register you at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:28 PM
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Only shallow people don’t bother to assess someone’s personality just because theyre not attracted to that person. This mindset actually makes more sense about why the sub thinks most people are like this. In the context of dating, sex, relationships? Really? Isn't the whole damn point to be with someone you find attractive? So they it makes sense that women only assess the personality of the men the find attractive. What godforsaken desperate woman is bothering to assess the period a man in thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:25 PM
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Why would the threshold be lower on an app than in real life when the looks threshold determines whether any other aspect of your personality is looked at to begin with? You may get to assess it more immediately in person as opposed to having to arrange meeting up with a man on an app, but in both cases that only reason you are paying attention to it is because he's passed the attraction threshold. That's not a sign the the threshold is actually any different.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:19 PM
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I think those are all things that become relevant considerations if you are attractive. If you're ugly, every aspect of your personality is irrelevant. You could be the perfect counterpart to someone but it counts for nothing if they aren't looking at you for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:16 PM
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To answer your question, I’ve gone out with people where I felt a bit of connection. I liked something about them and enjoyed their company, but that initial spark didn’t always turn into anything real. More often than not, after a date or two, I realized it was a false alarm. This is precisely the point. Who are you trying to explore the possibility with? Men you are attracted to - spontaneous desire. I don't expect you to go on a date with a man you find ugly as son to explore a possible conne…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:14 PM
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No, the point is there no way in hell a woman would accept a difference in how she's treated. But for some reason men should be fine with accepting a second rate version of "attraction" from women. If women rightly would accept it, then why should men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:57 PM
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Who do you let get to the kissing and caressing stage and what did they have to do for that? Because your find them attractive, interesting, exciting? Or did they have to make sure they entertained you, bought you stuff, proved they liked you without you having to do a thing? That first man, that's spontaneous desire. That second, that's responsible. And it sounds like you actually liked the first man whereas the second had to bargain and barter to get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:55 PM
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Because the women will still be dating, having sex, having relationships. Just with the minority of men that are actually desirable to them. The missing bit is enforcing the 90-10 sex ratio that would mean that in futuee, no men or women will be forced into engaging with people they don't desire
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:38 AM
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That not what the post is saying. The post is saying that you artificially create a bottleneck on this generation so that the conditions in the following ones fit what woman want. You aren't being replaced by another man at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:23 AM
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You do realise this requires manipulation of the sex ratio to work right? You'd need to make it 10% male 90% female for this to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 09:40 AM
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You're describing a process where you are counter man you don't like and says you find it's dissatisfying. If you carry on doing that you can't exactly say it's the mens fault, it's yours. You could not go on apps. That you keep on doing so is only on you, not anyone else. Why do you have a problem with that? As a man, I get all sorts of shit. I get bollocked for thinking women find me unattractive. I get bollocked for proving it. I get bollocked for deciding not to bother. I get bollocked for n…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:15 PM
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Like that's changing anything. Women avoid such men anyways and if asked why, cite that those men must have something wrong with them if no other woman has been interested with them before. It wouldn't be such a problem if women spread that distrust everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:08 PM
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Except when your a man apparently. Then you're always to blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:05 PM
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When women claim they are decided by men, they claim that they havld no part in it, and that that therefore they have no responsibility to change anything they do. That's what I'm pushing back on. You're doing something similar. You're describing men saying things on apps, you disapproval of it and somehow that's their problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:04 PM
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People say that they get tricked, that the deception is all on the decievong party. That's not the case, people don't believe the stories told by people they don't want to believe in. Whether the story is true or not. The reason people get tricked is they want to believe the story the person is telling them, and that's what opens the door. If you stop yourself from thinking "he's hot, I'll listen to what he's saying" then you won't get tricked.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:57 PM
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Nobody is in control of the choices that you make apart from yourself. Therefore you are responsible for the consequences of your choices. That applies to women as well as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:18 PM
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No, just be grateful that they aren't in the "instantly regard as human trash" box
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:02 AM
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Better than being so horrifying to women that even talking to them triggers a mental health event for the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 03:10 PM
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If that's the case all those women should be discarded to the same bin the men are. Of course that wouldnt happen, that's not the equality women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 03:07 PM
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It's be quite nice to think I'm not having to make up for my height, or race, or wealth, but that's asking way too much of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 06:00 PM
1

So you're saying you're mentally aroused enough to go out with and sleep with a many that's ugly?! Come off it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 10:55 AM
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It's not just sexual, but social. You can walk into a group setting as a single woman and no one has a problem. Hell you can turn group keetilups as a personal dating event and aggressively flirt and pursue men you find desirable without being kicked out of that's what you wanted. As a single man, you have to be precise with what events you attend, and make sure you limit your interactiona to just that. So meetup to play football? Turn up just before it starts. Play football. Leave. If you want …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:50 AM
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Is a woman being single really the same as a man being single? A single woman isn't deemed a threat or forbidden from social interactions the same way a man is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:46 AM
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Surez you need both, but women will still go out with and sleep.with men who just have physical arousal. And then with mental arousal she'll say "oh he has both". This suggests that metal arousal requires physical arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:40 AM
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Well there you go. What's wrong with educating the 95% of lek that they are never going to be attractive to a woman and therefore never to bother doing or turning anything with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:46 PM
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Women have responsive desire except when they don't. Its those 5% of men that women have spontaneous desire for that prove that women do have spontaneous desire, those are the ones women genuinely want and the responsive desire narrative is just really meant to help the rest of men cope. It's not like women would put any effort or value towards the other men anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:19 PM
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If it helps they act like most men are ugly as fuck as well
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:23 PM
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Ask a woman what proportion of men she finds attractive and the answer won't break 5%. It's women who are saying this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:48 PM
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What's wrong with what I said? Surely you have the ability to explain why
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:14 PM
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We know that women generally feel safe much less often than men, especially around men. Because when there's a nutter having a meltdown nearby men are completely unbothered by it. Obviously /s Unless a woman knows a man well, and often even then, she won't trust that he won't hurt her. This is drilled into women from birth, that the world is dangerous and there will be people who want to hit you. Men are comparatively pretty oblivious to this. How are men oblivious to the fact that people want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 05:52 PM
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God no. For one, most women, even the one who consider themselves highly attractive wouldn't make attractive men. And secondly, not being attractive means any other facets would be rendered pointless and irrelevant. Not to mention that women do get used to acting in ways that are, let's say, problematic if they a man and not a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:03 AM
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Cool, as a mid woman you'd be happy with the man you are with barely giving a shit about you? Because frankly being mid means your love, care and attention simply isn't all that valuable. God knows women constantly remind men of that fact, but of so it applies to women just the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:27 PM
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Because money isn't a facet of you as a person, obviously being liked because of money is worthless
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:24 PM
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Lmao because women would totally call out women disparaging men
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 05:52 PM
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Because all these things you say women select for they select for from a pool of men they already find attractive. You can't competence, or life skills or adult responsibility your way into being attractive to a woman's because that's are all things that require her to take notice of you to see and appreciate. So the question then is who are the men ant women will take an in depth look at to see if they have those qualities, isn't it. The upshot is, if you are ugly you can be the most component,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 05:41 PM
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I think men develop themselves in lots of ways that they know have no importance or relevance to women. And what backs this up is that these traits or skills are never mentioned by women at all when describing those men. So what else are men supposed to conclude from this? And for the cases which you undoubtedly say show women do care about those things in men, it's okay because they are attractive to them in the first place! They are, at best, of secondary or tertiary concern to women if at all…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:26 PM
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The point is that the woman is the one whose reducing his value to that. But it does mean that those mean shouldn't have any worries about leaving those situations, as because she doesn't value him, him leaving isn't going to upset her either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:57 PM
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I think this is describing a woman attracted to the lifestyle, not to the man himself. That man is essentially irrelevant and interchangeable. He's merely performing a function for her but there's no emotional or sexual bond there. She's attracted to one and not the other. If asked, she can describe what she's attracted to about one man, and for the other only describe what he does for her. She's not attracted to him. Which isn't a good thing because that man is of no concern to the woman, he's …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:26 AM
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Yeah but can she explain why she's attracted to him if he's not the hottest or the best?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:20 AM
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Ugly guys who pull boss babes sounds like it sprung from the delusional imagination of the 5fr nothing Indian janitor. Why would she like him? What is the reason? You can't state things and not have a reason for why it happens. The reason I don't think it's a genuine thing is because people state that it happens to refute a point, but never describe why the woman in that case would make that choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:36 PM
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And when women describe those men, they aren't describing attraction but only describing utility. Which is because they aren't attracted, they are being put into a position where useful is all they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:26 PM
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The insufficient but necessary condition in all of this being is the man attractive. Like not interacting with women ever is extreme, but thinking women will be attracted to you if you aren't in the apex is delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:10 AM
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Because men know that the men women are wanting to choose is only a minority of them. The bear / man analogy just demonstrates that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:07 AM
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I don't think men are under the impression women will come after them. It's more questioning the point to trying to essentially negotiate her attraction when we all know if an attractive man dies come her way she'll be off and leave you high and dry.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:04 AM
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Depends on why
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:07 AM
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If you are talking about enforcing transparency though there's no way she could walk back to accept a standard whe had previously denounced. It's effectly a ratchet
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:04 PM
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So put in a ratcheting mechanism, she can't walk backwards in any parameter of man, ever?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:39 PM
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There is no way. There's just enforcing what women desire and that's making sure they can't interact with 90% of men and they can't have their merry way fighting for what's left.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:37 PM
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Women themselves say it. They have to settle for worse physiques, shorter, uglier, more acceptable to family and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:19 PM
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So her standards improve, and she's now with worse men. How does that work?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:05 PM
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Exactly. So when she tries to pretend that any man below the level she was sleeping with for her personal enjoyment is something she genuinely is attracted to, youd have to be an idiot to believe her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:28 PM
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So if a woman spends her time chasing tall attractive men to sleep with, including taking on a load of risks and making questionable.choices regarding personal safety, going along with obvious unrealistic lies for them, and then turns up with a short ugly fat man who she says is safe, you'd honestly think her self described attraction to him is genuine?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:22 PM
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Clearly in such a situation the man is just a front for family, the women will still be sneaking away to sleep with the men she wanted in her 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:20 PM
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I gave a response saying that the same thing happend to older men. But they are still not seen the same way. Do you think they should be seen as creeps? If so, why are you defending the older women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:56 PM
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Again, 40 year old gets with mid 20s woman, he's a creep, even if she's the one that pursues him. Should be the same for a woman. For some reason it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:29 PM
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Because the men she picked at 21-23 benchmarks the type of men she has genuine attraction for.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:17 PM
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It's not because she may only be getting into a relationship with a man that's socially acceptable for family or society. An example of this are south Asian women getting married to south Asian men. Did that date those men? No. Only got an arranged marriage to them as that's more acceptable to family. The men they are truly more valuable and attractive to them are not those men, the men they marry are only there to mitigate risk, they aren't worth risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:09 PM
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So who are women bedding for the "trial run". It's the attractive, tall, men. Just a coincidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:03 PM
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Why isn't the older woman in this case not just a loser who having to predate on younger, inexperienced men? She should be as reviled as a man doing the same thing is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:01 PM
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If she's experienced, what went wrong then?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:59 AM
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How can you have fun knowing the other party had better than you and therefore the only reason she's there is that something went horrifically wrong? That's not her actually wanting you, thats basically having to rely on a woman having been so comprehensively beat down that she's had to accept a shittier man. That's not exactly fun now, is it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:58 AM
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It matters when women state that you need experience to be able to be a competent partner sexually. So if you know you aren't, you are going to be subpar. Why would she agree to that? Is her decision making unreliable? Is she making do with worse because there's something wrong with her that she's not informing you about?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:55 AM
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He's entitled to conclude she's not attracted to him, and to leave
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:52 AM
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It's not. How often to women break up with a man and then say how x, y and z was wrong with the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:00 PM
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Yeah, but in order to interrogate the issue you have to come at from the other side. It's deemed acceptable, even encouraged for women to act this way. So what happens when a man does it and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:59 PM
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I'm attacking the issue the same way a woman would. To see if it's fine. Apparently it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:28 PM
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So it's fine for a man to deal with loss of interest but it's wrong to subject women to it then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:26 PM
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Why'd she think he'd be accepting of a facsimile of attraction in the first place. Before the break up or getting together. What about him made him a mark?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:24 PM
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I meant why did she assume the man was so pathetic he'd just accept any small morsel of interest she deigned to trow at him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:07 PM
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I'd want to ask why she thought I was so pathetic though. Like clearly that's a personal failing, I'd want to avoid that and I'd also ask why she thought I'd be happy with being the backup.optu9n so.i could prevent it from happening again.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:55 PM
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I wouldn't mention them in the context of "look at what I used love doing, you're too boring for it though"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:53 PM
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The context of saying women change their interests and then only list examples of women losing interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:49 PM
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Nope they have to have consent to ask questions like Do women have to have consent to ask such questions? No. Therefore neither do men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:48 PM
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Which is just strange to want to have sex with someone that’s not enjoying it Of course you don't. Which is why it's important to learn whether she's a actually attracted to you or not, and being uninterested or unenthusiastic about you is a sign she's not attracted to you, and that you should do the right thing and leave her as soon as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:47 PM
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Men are as within their rights to ask questions of a woman's past as a woman is to ask questions of a man's past. Women have made that a right enshrined in law, set up online groups with the some purpose of disseminating that and even joined an app that ended up doxxing them in order to do that. Are you going to argue that women should be able to do that? No? Then you must accept that men also have that right to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:36 PM
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Instead if telling her and guilting her and condemning her. Just. Leave. For which she will guilt and condemn him. Which will be fine because it's a woman doing it to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:31 PM
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I see. All women do is lose interest then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:30 PM
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He's not claiming he was into it though is he? Women with their past exploits are mentioning them in a "look how fun and uninhibited I was with all though attractive men that were better than you. Now be happy with me being uninterested"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:29 PM
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The same reason she expects him to explain, and justify the statement he makes. She would say she can't just trust the word of a man, that he has to warn her trust and explain his decision in detail in order to see if he's the right fit for her. Why expect this of someone and assume that you are above having to justify yourself to him in return?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:47 PM
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How? Can she say how? She can't expect to simply declare it and be believed, she, like she'd expect a man, should qualify, justify and explain the cause and effect that has led her to this decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:43 PM
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Look, if I swapped the genders in what you say men should be fine with, so that it's women on the receiving end of it, every man, woman and their dog can see it's wrong. But when it's men on the end of it, all of a sudden its fine despite* nothing in the described behaviour changing!* You say it's not women's problem or responsibility if they act in a anyway that men don't like. That's fine but the reverse must then be true. But nobody thinks that. Everyone says men have to tiptoe and baby every…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:41 PM
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The point is you know full well women hate it. So why would men welcome it then? You think a woman is sitting there going "I really hope he thinks I'm ugly as fuck, but that I can weasel my way in out of sheer usefulness"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:38 PM
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I doubt women are doing that with men who aren't seen as hookup material. Christ if one did that to me it's more a sign that she's drunk out of her head or something has clearly gone very catastrophically wrong for her personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:37 PM
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Casual sex is just sex you have with people you find attractive and don't need to find other reasons to justify your choice. Women have that sort of sex, and then after they don't burden those men with the expectations of covert contracts they've made to themselves to make them feel fine about doing it. Of course men want that. Nobody wants to find out later she only slept with you because she thought that you'd subsequently be honour bound to do something for her any more than women would want …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:31 PM
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That's the line women take, therefore that's the line they should be judged against. Being nice isn't attraction, it's just being nice
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:25 PM
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Just because she won't have casual sex with you doesn't mean she isn't attracted to you. In the absence of any evidence of attraction, only usefulness, what else would you conclude?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:24 PM
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The first is competing with women. The grievance is usually about effort. She doesn't pay for dates. She doesn't approach. She doesn't do whatever he does (real or imagined). And that becomes the whole thing. Not "do I like her, does she like me, are we having a good time" but "is this fair compared to what I'm putting in." As if dating her is a competition between them, and he's losing. And then the next paragraph, when it's how a women would frame that behaviour, it's all fine: And to be clear…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 12:13 PM
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Because you're literally listing examples of behaviours that you say men are wrong for doing. But they're fine for women apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:59 PM
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Lucky him. But most men are in the position where they know women were never attracted to them. That means when one does talk to them they obvious question is "what went so badly wrong that youre having to lower yourself to taking to me then?".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 02:08 PM
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Positive from the woman's point of view. I doubt they'd mention how they were worse and less attracted to them than the men they were with when they were younger, more carefree and who they had more effortless connection too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:28 PM
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What's wrong in wanting to divert your efforts towards things that actually will change, as opposed to something that wont
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:52 AM
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Did the women on the thread who were downvoted say they loved their husbands for their wealth, for buying them things, for their quality sperm that made beautiful kids, and whatever else would be the equivalent? You've never heard anything like this? Are your ears sewn shut?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:47 AM
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Bollocks is it. Any man can guarantee if he needs to turn off a woman and get her to leave immediately and never contact him again, all he needs to do is drop "I'm a virgin" because women find it so sickening. We all know it's a severe and fatal moral failing for men. People make moral judgements on other people all the time, this is no different. And no-one bats an eyelid and will be shocked to hear that its wrong to judge men. So it should be for women then.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:45 AM
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I have always wanted a man to fall in love with my intelligence, dry wit, varied knowledge, and a bunch of other things. You are literally agreeing with me. You aren't saying " I have always wanted a man to fall in love with my wealth, fertility, homemaking, and a bunch of other things." Nor should you. Neither should men. What about you? You like a woman because she has brown hair, athletic build, perky breasts, high cheekbones? Is this supposed to be meaningful? Hell no, because we all know yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:27 PM
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See that's interesting, what you say there. Complaining about the lack of it certainly. It makes you question what actually about them was attractive - and it's the looks. Enough to make the lack of all of the being nice, showering, hobbies irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:04 PM
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Those men women genuinely were attracted to can talk about what they liked about them. And it will include things about them as a person. But if they only got together with a man because what they can get out of them, they can only really describe them in the same manner as a utility. There's a clear difference. You spend time with the attractive men in your youth because the time spent with them is valuable and exciting, and you are enthusiastic about it. But the useful idiots? Only if it's a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:02 PM
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Yeah you do?! You hear it all the time! "be nice, have showers, have hobbies etc." That must be deliberately shit advice because nobody is saying any of those things are attractive to them personally, but to some ethereal idea of a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 04:51 PM
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Yeah. So why would you believe a woman who says she's attracted to you because of that or any other similar pointless reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 04:29 PM
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But nothing changes aside from not having to deal with unattractive men. She's competing with the same amount of women for the men she wants because those women aren't going to be entertaining the unattractive men either. That's a net benefit, not a loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 04:28 PM
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If you were right, those women would be able to describ what they liked about those men without having to say what they benefit from them. They can't. It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 03:40 PM
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Well if they're are trying to make a logical case you'd would think they'd be able to recognise the shortcoming of those men? But if they're decrying them in an entirely unreasonable way, it clearly undermines their argument
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 03:39 PM
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Once they've had their fun maybe. That's just cashing out chips if you've had a winning streak. If they really loved those men they be able to describe why independent of what those men do for them. Because you know for sure the men she's genuinely was attracted to she could describe in detail things about him they admired etc. that they didn't benefit from.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 03:37 PM
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How does it make it worse for women when the men that are being excluded are the ones women don't want?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 03:33 PM
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I'm quicker to anger if the guy who did something is shorter than me, most guys have this complex though. I think it's extra offensive or just that they are seemingly less of a threat because of their inferior frame. Lmao that's so typical, the amount of times I've been called violent in matches where there a 50/50 ball and the 6ft behemoth juts blithely assumes I'll get out of his way and isn't prepared for the contact vs me trying to win the ball and preparing for the hit after. They're always…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:21 PM
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If a self confessed premier league footballer finds himself on a pay to play contract in the seventh tier, he fucked up big time. Likewise a woman who's had access to abundance and quality having to talk to a normal man for a date has also fucked up big time. Both would get asked what went wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:01 PM
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Treating thenlm like a person shouldn't make them attracted to you. If a woman tells a man that she's attracted to him because he's treating her normally, she's clearly desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 11:42 AM
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It's just judging people badly for having a sexual/romantic past that I disagree with. Why is that? It's fine to judge people at being bad at sex/romance. It's fine to judge people who are inexperienced at sex/romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:30 PM
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Oh come on, women will judge you based on the choices you made on your past. That makes it fair game and proper right? So as it's correct to judge men, hence it is correct to judge women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 06:31 PM
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It's questioning what went wrong that meant she lost access to the quantity she enjoyed previously.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 06:23 PM
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Well yeah, but if they decide to hit below the belt, then they've decided they're fine to keep on doing it. Being nice back won't stop it. Using the first time they do it (and not before, or preemptively) as a declaration that it's open season and all is fair game to do it back, will.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:40 AM
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Only if it's one way only. Apparently it's just what woman fell they have to do. In which case it's a part of the game and they should be equally fine with having it done to them. The adage "don't dish it out if you can't take it" comes to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:17 AM
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So shit test them back. Go full Diego Simeone with the shithousing back and see how they respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:08 AM
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They’re too busy being angry at women for such crimes as “wanting to enjoy a date” or “expecting to have a conversation.” You make it seem as though they don't have conversations with women. They do it all the time. It's just very noticeable that when people go "all you need to do is speak to women normally and with no agenda, and you find some of them will be attracted to you", that they have something you don't, because no conversation ever ends with interest from the other party. So you are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:04 AM
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That's what women seem to expect men to do to show genuine interest. I'm saying that's it's a clearly absurd requirement. Note I added that she doesn't need that from the men she actually likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:54 PM
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Yeah, that's what you do. She doesn't want to talk? Don't bother her, ever. I'm baffled at the response I get from women when I say this though, it seems to be an affront that I take what they say and act accordingly
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:51 PM
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Look maybe you ask once. After that never again. If she's not enthusiastic about it that's not her fault, but it's not your job as a man to change her mind on that. It's also not your job to lie to yourself that "oh she's just shy, she really likes me". What isn't right is this expectation that's your are setting up that the man should engage in some sisiphean effort whilst she goes with someone else with joy. That's bollocks she just likes the other person more. She's not going to come to you, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:09 PM
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I'm talking about her wanting to even entertain the idea of spending time with you. It's telling that for you, women being enthusiastic is just assumed, you must be extremely attractive, and having a chat, sharing a coffee etc. is something that you are lucky enough to not require a visa applications worth of evidence to be eligible for. If I've got to do a DBS check and put a security deposit down to be allowed to talk to someone, I'd just think they don't want to talk to me and not bother. I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:21 PM
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This sounds like a person describing a 2 hour long warmup procedure to allow an engine to start up and then going "oh it's very user friendly". Everyone can see that it's not. Maybe a man who has to move heaven and earth to get you in the mood is one you're less attracted to than one who doesn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:02 PM
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He's short so he must have a Napoleon complex. Can't risk that. He's not got a lot of experience so I'll have to teach him stuff. Can't risk that. He's ugly so he's not going to be nice to me. Can't risk that. All those things are acceptable if women do it because their primary responsibility is to themselves. Buts it's based on observation just like what you criticise when men do it. You can't say it's fine for women to do and not fine for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 12:59 PM
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No it isn’t. When you ignore what a specific woman is telling you and rely on “observing women,” you’re basically projecting patterns you think you’ve seen in other women onto her. Another example of something that is wrong except when a woman does it. Then it's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 12:12 AM
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That's fine. So you ask. And don't get an answer past "because I do". A response so unspecific that it's pointless. You'd conclude that if you ask someone why they like something and they can't answer why, that maybe they don't like it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:35 PM
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So you'd go on a date with a man you thought was ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:53 PM
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A date you would only go on if you found the man physically attractive. It's laughable to pretend it works the other way around. The sentence itself is preposterous: "I liked his behaviour so much I decided to go on a date with him to figure out if he's physically attractive". That wouldn't ever happen and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:49 PM
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Feigning attraction is an act.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 02:47 PM
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In making the point that women benefit from being able to act in ways that they don't think men should be able to? Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 02:19 PM
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Again, imagine you are fat, ugly, ginger. I then proceed to tell you because of those things you need to cemater to my sexual desires, without question, to personally compensate me for being with someone fat, ugly and ginger. From what you say you respond to that by jumping for joy, celebrating it. Everything you do is for me. If I don't like it, you stop because you aren't allowed to do things that don't make up for your shortcomings. I could go on, but I'm clearly describing an abusive, contro…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:38 PM
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It reduces the value of what that man is doing to only being worth something because the woman benefits from it. Not in of itself. That's insulting, no matter how you want to assert that it's not. Again, if a woman had a certain passion or skill, but was told it's only value was what it had to her man, rightly, she won't have it. So neither should a man in the exact same situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:22 PM
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That's not the issue. It's being asked to view women's actions with nuance knowing that women wouldn't ever do the same for men. Like cheating. The nuanced view is that whoever cheats felt a lack in their relationships, a void the try and fill with another person. That's sounds like how women's cheating is viewed. Not men. What does that show? Women get to benefit from nuance. Not men. If we're equal, both should or neither, so lowest common denominator it is. No nuance or grace for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:19 PM
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You've only mentioned physical attraction as positive and described how behaviour detracts from it. You haven't mentioned what attracted you for the first man, only claimed that you were. It's all well and good going "there's loads of things that women find attractive in men" but when all that is both mentioned and observed is looks, then its a reasonable conclusion that that is the driving force behind genuine attraction, and other things merely acts as multipliers. Behaviour and personality do…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:15 PM
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Why would anyone apply nuance to people who would never give it to them? If I am expected to act without imperfection and judged fatally for any flaw, what's the lesson? That's just the game. You play by those rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:05 PM
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I would want the good things I do or am to stand on their own two feet. If I leaned that it was worth nothing more than an offset for some other aspect I'd nuke the relationship. Do you honestly think any woman would take "the fact you're x, y & z makes up for the fact that you are fat, ugly & ginger, I love that you want to overcompensate for those shit things about you" in the way you expect men to take it?!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:02 PM
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Why do you think having to overcompensate is a good thing? Its always used as a pejorative. Would you welcome being described for having to overcompensate for your looks, race or wealth?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 11:56 AM
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Yeah, so you think we should ask those women. Fine, ask a woman what influenced her decision. If he's attractive she mentions it. If he isn't she dances around it. You observe the ommission and judge accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 11:53 AM
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I don’t use the word “gay” as an insult, I just know that on social media people do Why not? Using your logic you'd happily call a homophobe gay to hurt them. How are you squaring that with your statement that you don't use the word "gay" as an insult? Surely with your reasoning anything can be used to hurt someone as an insult, sexuality, race, gender, religion, all of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:11 PM
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How can it be an insult if they don't think it's a bad thing? That's nonsensical. The fact that they use it as an insult is conclusive proof they think it's bad. Would you call him gay to hurt him? No, right? Because being gay isn't a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 06:40 PM
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How would she believe him? Her actions don't reflect that, especially when they cite his unattractiveness as a reason to think he's trying to fool them. Women ascribe malevolent intent to men who are unattractive more than men who are attractive, despite attractiveness not being a factor in whether a person is actually deceitful or not. It's even cultural, in stories and films etc. ugliness is a visual signifier for evil intent. And futhermore women shit test ugly men more and for longer than at…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 10:25 AM
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If she finds him attractive, she might want to date him based on that. Right, because she believes his words that he wants something serious with her. She believes that's true. But if he weren't attractive, she thinks he's just lying to get her interested because his ugliness means he has to lie to be an option. The truth is there's no difference between either man in terms of the validity of their words. She's just willing to trust one and not the other. That is her choice and the consequences …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:42 AM
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How is it mens fault that women are unable or unwilling for men to have actual fucking feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:11 AM
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Exactly, she's not attracted to him so it doesn't matter what he says. But if he's attractive she's more willing to believe it, despite what's being said not being any more or less plausible. It's a basic is/is not test. Has the story changed? No. Has the man telling the story changed? Yes. Has the woman's willingness to listen changed? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:10 AM
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Well yeah, isn't that the point? They become willing to believing anything she says, how are women any different?! And when afterwards we all reconvene the men were being fucking idiots who weren't thinking, and let her use them and then discard them, how are the women who do the same thing and better? They're also being fucking idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:45 AM
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Do you think men who manipulate do not exist? You can only manipulate the willing, never the unwilling. Sure a man may have spun a yarn, but the woman can only fall for it if she's motivated to believe his story, it's not like she would believe the exact same story coming from a short ugly man a. Thats because she is not motivated to believe his story. She doesn't suspend her disbelief for him, but she will for the man sh finds attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 12:37 AM
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no inherent sense of decency or desire to respect women and treat us well, merely doing so if they don't have the "option" to get a new partner. As if this doesn't also describe women
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 12:31 AM
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Let's say you confide a secret to someone. Then they tell everyone in earshot. You l are mad and hurt, but it's fine and you shouldn't because when you told them you didn't explicit say not to tell anyone. That's your line isn't it? Could be something personally devastating but because you didn't say to them not to tell anyone else (and despite all context) him deciding to tell everyone is actually as it turns out according to you completely justified, and actually how dare you even suggest he's…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:14 PM
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Why would anyone share something personal with someone who's incapable of keeping their mouth shut at best, and at worst thinks that now they know they have the right to tell everyone about it, their feelings be damned. You'd never tell them a word, but according to you, that's his fault for hurting her feeling kg and not hers for being so inconsiderate its better to shut her out because she won't shut up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 08:58 PM
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You think it's controlling? What does that make the women who assume they have the conceited right to speak about things that have nothing to do with themselves? I don't want people to discuss things that only concern me and that makes me controlling? I can't imagine what it must be like to be a person who assumes they have the inaliable right to disseminate information about other people, purely because they think they're above them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:54 PM
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That fact you think it's a perfectly normal thing to discuss things you have no right to discuss is indicative that the person you are talking about has no importance. Otherwise you would only discuss things that are happy to be discussed, a category that only they have the right to define, and about which if you had any respect for them you would not blithely assume you had the right to talk about
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:32 PM
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“Maybe I've had to be reminded to take out the garbage. But I've definitely had to remind women that my personal business isn't content for group chats. Somehow that never gets the same energy.” Youll argue that he should have to told to take the bins out. Fairly. And then you say she needs to be told that talking about his business isn't on? That's exhibit A in women never thinking their shit could possibly stink! She shouldn't be told. She should know.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:12 PM
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Better to be able to have chances to fuck up than to never even have the prospect of a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 12:44 AM
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Can't he ask the same question?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:44 PM
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She may say that. Doesn't mean that's what she'll do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:21 PM
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If there are no guarantees in relationships, why should men have to prove anything or show any concern for anything on the woman's side? Because women consider that necessary. Sounds a lot like women have guarantees in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:18 PM
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Sure, I would imagine he'd be pretty mad about entering a covert contract agreeing to enter a relationship with her that he wasn't informed about. Sounds like the woman in this situation doesn't understand informed consent at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:16 PM
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And why the fuck would you accept dating a woman who thinks that about you? I wouldn't. What wrong with saying it out loud? Women are empowered to criticise men. Why cant I openly criticise this. I certainly am going to say a woman doing thing that she's full of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:05 PM
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Oh come on, you can't seriously think that this isn't what's forcing women to do this? There's a load of context clues that point to this. Having to lower their standards for how tall a man is. Having to lower thier standards for how rich a man is. Having to pretend that they are attracted to uglier men than they wanted. Having to think about a man who would form an acceptable choice for family/cultural reasons. Having to loosen basically any standard they held previously when younger basically.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:49 PM
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Why? It's just an accurate assessment of her. What's pathetic is years of thinking they're above the little people down there and then having to engage with the filthy proles because you fucked it up so badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:41 PM
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You don't get it. This isn't what you think it's describing which is two people while had a past. It's a woman who only wanted tall dark and handsome, only a particular race because its what excites them, and would have loudly insulted you for even thinking about talking to them. And now they want "to settle down, don't need excitement, someone who'll be acceptable for their parents and understands their culture, oh its fine that you aren't super tall, or super handsome etc." And you know you ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:29 PM
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Because it logically makes no sense to make this conclusion. Thinking that if a woman has some casual experience, but then stops, it is because she all of the sudden turned asexual and stopped being attracted to men is straight up wrong. I don’t think it’s common to become asexual randomly throughout life. It's not that she has become asexual. It's just a clear sign shes not attracted to him specifically. A man who she's attracted to could walk in the next day and she'd be all over him, and he k…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:18 PM
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Why would she get upset about it? Only the men she's not attracted to will conclude this. The men she is attracted to won't because she'll actually be enthusiastic with them. She wins either way, so what's the bloody problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:15 PM
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The fact of the matter is, that the person who decided to go out on a date with you, at that moment, is interested in you. Only because things went wrong for her. If they hadn't you remain someone she'd turn her nose up at. That's what you are. Someone reliant on something devastatingly bad to happen to someone for them to lower themselves to you. Why on in the world would it be a good thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:03 PM
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It's accurate
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:57 PM
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I don’t believe men should be entitled to sex from women just because she had casual sex before. Correct, but he is entitled to not having to engage in the delusional charade that she likes him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:55 PM
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Oh, you think relationships are about guarantees? Pull the lever and you get X, Y, and Z? Women. That's who think that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:41 PM
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That sounds like a shitty concealed contract that she's tried to enter into with him, that's all on her, not him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:37 PM
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If that were truly the case then it would be framed as something women engaged in to show their attraction to that man, not as something that was supposed to leverage them into a relationship. You can't simultaneously hold the opinion that men who don't enter a relationship with women are using them and that sex isn't something used to encourage and reward men women want to be in relationships with. They contradict one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:36 PM
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It's not a reward, it's something to be enjoyed. It's just blindingly clear that women only enjoy with certain men, so what's wrong with concluding that those are the men women actually want to be with?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:32 PM
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How exactly is it heartbreaking?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:28 PM
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He wants to be treated like an ultra Chad despite knowing he isn't very attractive or is mid. Obviously you hold the opinion that woman who demand to be treated like princesses and wined, dined and made to seem like the Most Important Woman in the World on dates despite knowing they aren't exactly hot shit themselves (basically all Valentines day is about) are some delusional and degenerate women who are fucked up in the head. No? How interestingly one sided.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 09:59 AM
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Its creating a picture of actual attraction from women, useful if you've never personally experienced it and dont want to be fooled by a woman merely imitating it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 09:03 AM
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But unfortunately it was just sexual and just one night but damn what a night! It’s really bad if you use that moment to compare other guys to. And you or other women dont?!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 09:01 AM
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I don't understand why you are so offended by the existence of a descriptive term
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 05:37 AM
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Right, you should just leave her alone, you should leave all women alone. But again that's somehow a problematic statement
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:24 PM
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And I think that is what some women are reacting to when they push back on that phrase. Because when you say you feel like a dancing monkey, it implies the woman is sitting there as a superior judge, demanding tricks, dehumanizing you. Most women are not sitting on a throne waiting to be impressed And if that's precisely what they are doing, we can't say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:12 PM
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It was like a fever breaking. Lust or no, I realized he was not someone I could build that romantic love with. Take away the lust, and there was nothing. I moved on. Was I using him? No. My feelings were legit. But they burned out. If you were a man saying this about a woman, absolutely you'd be a lying, deceptive user and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 01:50 PM
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Right but who you are motivated to get to know is not uninfluenced by popularity or looks is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:28 PM
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The description betrays your self perception of yourself as superior, and his as inferior
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:37 PM
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I'm not sure you can claim anything about having a sense of fairness likening men to pets.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:31 PM
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It's at least a better position to take than the women who happily embrace the benefits of benevolent sexism whilst claiming that they have a principled opposition to sexism
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:24 PM
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There is no one singular thing that is a foolproof, “If she does this, she’s attracted to you” signal. You have to look at behaviors as a whole, all of them together. This would be believable if women extended the same grace to men. But if a man does something the wrong way, he's out. Clearly women do not "look at behaviours as a whole".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 06:23 AM
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What is the point for asking for something that the other party would never in a million years accept? Unless you were trying to get her to leave l, the I'd see the utility in it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:24 PM
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That's true, but the person contributing to the situation they perceive as unsatisfactory and harmful to themselves always has the greater onus on them to stop facilitating their own harm. In this case, that's the woman. The man's contribution is suiting him just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 02:21 AM
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That man? Obviously not. Another completely unrelated man that you are acting as if he did that to you? Yeah, fucked up. You do see that a lot on the discourse as to why women distrust men. They act as if the guilt of the actions of the tiny minority of men at the apex of wealth and power can be ascribed to the rest of us. That the wrongs that were suffered in the past are the fault of those alive today. And you may not personally but the in group preference that women have can and is that stron…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 03:09 AM
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Are you saying empathy has to be uncritical agreement? I mean for example your man hating era, what's wrong about understanding why you say that but also going "that's really fucked up and wrong of you"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 03:01 AM
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Like a woman who actually finds ylu attractive will sleep with you immediately. Even if yall are trying to form a romantic relationship. And they never consider being attracted to the man is the bare minimum. But we have to choose to have sex or not based on a million other factors beyond just physical attraction. Like our saftey and emotional security that men just don't think about. Yes but those other factors from the way women talk about it becomes less prominent the more attractive the man …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:58 AM
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Why do red pill men feel entitled to Automatic sex to prove she is attracted to him? We all want something that makes us feel desired or seen in the way we feel most understood I don't know about automatic sex but id say if it seems like she's not excited to spend time with me or she's only there because she had nothing better to do/had to compromise to see me then yeah, if say I'd feel entitled to not want to have to deal with that. That's being desired right? Or is that unreasonable? Notice I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:02 AM
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But why do you require automatic validation of your feelings and statements? Surely the validation only has meaning if it's actually what someone thinks, why means they need to be able to not validate you if they don't agree with you. It sounds more like you want a man to state your opinions in his voice, and god knows it's annoying when men demand that. Why would it suddenly be fine for women to demand that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 01:34 AM
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And I would hope id be able to do that for him You expect actions and behaviour from men that you merely hope you are able to reciprocate? Like it's fine for you to not do?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 01:11 AM
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And any woman who there's even a suspicion of not actually desiring but trying to trick me into thinking she does is similarly disgusting to me. However I can't demand that she does find me desirable, I have never thought that. You on the other hand are insisting that men take what you tell them and desire that, in an up is down way. Not only that, but when told men don't see it as a good thing, you insist they change their opinions and actions to suit you, rather than recognising that you have …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:46 PM
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You can't make men think that as much as men can't make women attracted to ugly men. It's a wish you have, not an order you can give
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:58 PM
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Nothing in the first list is contradicted by what's listed in the second. And given that the men in the first criteria are the ones the women look for/take notice of/the only men women have physical attraction towards, those men get a chance to then demonstrate their ability to meet the criteria in the second list. And as for men who only fit the criteria of one list, at least the hookup material only men get to spend time with genuinely excited, attracted and enthusiastic women. The husband mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 08:45 AM
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What you've said there makes it easy to understand why settling is clearly a bad thing, and both men and women's men understand that clearly. But switch the genders and suddenly women seem to b come deaf and dumb to it being wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 11:56 AM
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That lying to men, either directly or by omission, is seen as permissible by women. But if you hold to the principle that it's a bad thing to do you should punish it as you would when a man does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 07:02 AM
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As with everything, it's not the right thing to do... except if you are a woman. And rather than treating women as harshly as you would treat a man who lies to get what he wants, women are cheered on for doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 01:51 AM
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How much, if at all, does personality matter when it comes to being successful with women. Does it matter more than LMS, less than LMS, the same amount etc… I disagree with the framing here. It's not really relevant whether looks are more or less important than personality, women do say both that personality has been what turns women off men they are highly physically attracted to and women say that if they aren't attracted to men is doesn't matter how good his personality is. What is revealed h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:44 PM
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Both are possible, women are perfectly within their rights to demand standards that seem to outside observers comically inflated
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:43 PM
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Because that's shaming language and judging her
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 04:41 PM
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So why then demonise the men who hear that and go "yeah, I'm out, it's not my job to wait around for someone who isn't attracted to me"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:19 AM
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Mutually. At least it's mutual gratification. When a relationship is framed as a trade of providing effort and assistance in someone's life in return for something you have no use for, then yeah why the hell would anyone feel that's a desirable choice? When women think a relationship is not worth the effort, that's all fine. If a man methinks so? He's selfish, and shaming, and small. That's a ridiculous double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:59 AM
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"why aren't you earning enough money", "ive had bigger better men than you before", "I only decided to meet up with you because I couldn't get what I really wanted" Oh yeah, sounds like men should be really psychologically comfortable enthused and horny for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:51 AM
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The perk is the relationship with the woman. And we all know that y'all don't value relationships. When women frame that as her doing things for you that you already do for yourself, and fuck all more, then yeah such a relationship has no value. The amount of times I've been told "a girlfriend would do x, y & z for you" is numerous. But I already do all that shit. Will she be excited about me as a person? No? Then what's the fucking point? To do what, provide utility in her life in return? The w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:46 AM
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I agree in principle, however the following statement: "If a man is happy being single then he can have whatever standards he wants" just wouldn't fly
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 08:31 AM
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Right and that's the logical conclusion when the overwhelming response to being asked what wives like about their husbands are the things they get from him. Nothing to do with who he is as a person, how good he is at things. No. Just what they get out of him. A bargain basement piece of equipment, thrown away the moment it's no longer useful. And if asked what they liked about their flings, hookups etc? Who they are as people, what they're skilled at. Like living breathing flawed human beings, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:07 PM
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That's almost all women, given that they're actually attracted to the man in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 05:45 PM
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So when he marries, he is “settling”, and his boring wife is his last choice lame boring ball-and-chain after he had all his fun in the past with women he was far more attracted to. He views marriage as setting and fucking around as the best option— seems like you expect women to stupidly want to be settled for by a guy who hates wife material anyways. Clearly yes. What woman wouldn't respond to being told "yeah I say I'm attracted to you, but first heres an exhaustive laundry list of things you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 05:43 PM
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It's not. People back them up and make them think they're right and deserving instead, just because they're women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:27 PM
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Look if you insult anyone for a particular reason, anyone seeing that would think "they must think being that thing is bad". So Trump mocks disabilities - it's a fair conclusion that for Trump, being disabled is a bad thing Someone insults a persons intelligence - they must think not being intelligent is bad And so on. Surely you see that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:07 PM
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If I called a woman a virgin it would mean nothing to her and wouldn't hurt her feelings If you did that, what anyone observing you would conclude that it's because you think being a virgin is bad If im trying to make a vain woman insulted ill attack her looks. Not cuz I value looks but because she does An observer would conclude that you think being ugly is bad If I want to insult a woman or person who values their intellect I will insult their intelligence and call them stupid. An observer wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:04 PM
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But you are saying "but they don't really mean it"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 10:59 PM
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The point is, you would only use it as an insult if it's something you regard as a negative. Anybody, including you who uses virgin as an insult only does so because they regard it as a shameful thing to be. Would someone who things there's nothing wrong with being homosexual use gay as an insult? Of course not. You can't obfuscate the fact that you think virginity is a shameful thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:17 PM
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As i commented to another person, that's bullshit. You can't go round and say to people you don't like "Paki this, n-word that, chinky whatever" and then claim "I only said those things because they were dicks and I knew those words would hurt them the most because they were brown/black/east asian" Nah mate, you're just fucking racist. Same for using virgin as an insult "just cause it hurts men". That just means you despise virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 09:08 AM
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I'm sorry, that's bullshit. You can't go round and say to people you don't like "Paki this, n-word that, chinky whatever" and then claim "I only said those things because they were dicks and I knew those words would hurt them the most because they were brown/black/east asian" Nah mate, you're just fucking racist. Same for using virgin as an insult "just cause it hurts men". That just means you despise virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 09:06 AM
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Like a woman announces on a first date that she has absolutely nothing going for her, not school, not work, nothing, doesn't intend to raise her own kids either or help whatsoever around the house, and the majority of men are going to think "yup, that's wife material right there." Whether or not a man is going to accept that doesn't affect the fact that women expect men to accept it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 08:49 AM
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I would absolutely be fine with a man expecting me to maintain an attractive weight, keep my depression at a manageable level, etc Oh, I'm talking about the only way you are seen as fit to associate with is if you do everything they want, as they want when they want, without question. And if you don't, you are some ungrateful horrible goblin. I've had enough of that from parents, extended family, random fuckers who I don't even know. Why the fuck would I accept that voluntarily from a woman, whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:36 PM
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Celibacy and virginity is by definition out of your control as ending it requires the consent of another person. The difference is I identified that as the main problem, so I was able to make progress on it and start having sex. Yes, you just start having sex. Only a woman could genuinely say that. Even though you have personal weaknesses and you may work on them, it won't matter since that's the sort of thing that only becomes apparant on knowing somebody. The issue occurs way before that. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 08:32 PM
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Because the looks are all that matters
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:32 PM
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You can have perfectly high self esteem and recognise that women wouldn't touch you with a 10 foot bargepole. I don't see how you could ignore that, navigating through life knowing that whilst having high self esteem means knowing how to avoid putting yourselves in pointless situations with women, or that any apparent attraction or attention will be faked. It's the fact you value yourself that means you know not to be fooled by it. Also I'm not saying cutting off desire is what you should do. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 03:25 PM
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If what you say is true that women are not attracted to a majority of men, but that at the same time womens attraction is disparate, then you would see a fairly even distribution of female attention across the male population. You don't. What you do see is that there is a clear hierarchy in popularity, some men are clearly more attractive to women than others. Therefore women's taste must be more similar and alike than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 11:40 AM
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They are not an automatic red flag. Virgins can be good at sex the first time, similar to how I was good at sex the first time after a decade of celibacy with essentially no memory of what sex was like How is that remotely similar? You knew men could and would be attracted to you. You knew that sex is something you had done before, and successfully. No matter how long it had been, that's an unfalsifiable fallback you can rely on. By definition, as a virgin, that isn't there. What is there not a …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 11:06 AM
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So your response boils down to "no, it doesn't affect your sense of self because virgins should change their sense of self to deal with it" Do you understand what that means? If you are a human being connection is vital to your sense of self, and yes that includes romantic and sexual. If your advice is to mutilate it by cutting off the desire for romantic and sexual connection, you are advising virgin men to stop being human. I doubt you would tell women they should do that. And once you have do…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 08:55 AM
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How is it pessimism if its real? You said that if they're bad first it's a red flag. Well if you are a virgin you are an automatic red flag then. Its an automatic failure on your part, and it means it becomes pointless to try and pursue women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 08:46 AM
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or who does want sex but it just hasn’t happened and they don’t let it impact their sense of self, The thing is, how could it possibly not impact your sense of self?! Asking for that is tantamount to saying the man shouldn't be human.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:24 PM
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So you have to be good at it first time round otherwise you are forever useless? That's great odds, it's a mystery why male virgins think they're doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:23 PM
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And women use the same rationale to decide on whether they are receptive to men, irrespective of what the man goes on to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 02:20 PM
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There is no dating scene. It's a non-entity
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 02:19 PM
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Women absolutely want to be approached by attractive men. Men who are self aware that that doesn't include them therefore don't approach women. Somehow that's a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 02:18 PM
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Entirely. Because it would be over. It's like original sin. It sullies and poisons everything after.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 07:51 PM
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Well yeah. Women don't value interacting with normal men at all. So if that's happening it much therefore only be because something is forcing her into doing that. And why would anyone value an interaction driven by nothing other than compulsion?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 02:15 PM
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Women do the same thing though. Attention is valued or not dependent on the looks of the man providing it. You can't castigate men for it and then at the same time give women a free pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 10:19 AM
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Preconceived? We've seen our conversation is less than worthless to women. We're just acting accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 08:12 AM
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Right, because the old women weren't the younger women in the past
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 10:09 AM
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Who else would you socialise with?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:52 PM
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Where does anyone go to be social? I don't go to pubs and bars on my own, that'd be pointless. There's nobody to talk to, you have to buy an expensive drink and sit there. Its not worth bothering with unless you are with some friends. Is your idea of being social just appearing somewhere and that's enough? That's revealing
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:47 PM
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That's a loaded and dumb question. Obviously it's never started because women aren't ever going to be interested. You go somewhere to be social, you go be social. Then you go home. There's no point looking around
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:40 PM
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What I like in people is irrelevant and secondary. It doesn't matter what you like if you aren't ever going to have women want to get to know you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:08 PM
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Going to a class and vibing with someone after chit chatting after class and light flirting is completely fine and not predatory. If you are going to class to learn, you do so and then leave. The focus on the learning part of it means you aren't going round looking at other people, at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 11:56 AM
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So in a social situation, being social is special? Come on. That's just nonsense. And why would I ask her for coffee any more than she would? She wouldn't even bother, would she? That would be because she's not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 11:52 AM
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Whats the functional difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 11:47 AM
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What's wrong with it? Women are obvious if they find a man attractive, this just wastes less time and energy
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 11:45 AM
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This makes no sense. You can only do that by initially being indiscriminate and then from experience narrowing it down. Women's confidence in this regard comes from this: dating and fucking all sorts of men. Which means that women like yourself are all looking down on and criticising indiscrimination in men even though its exactly the behaviour they themselves engaged in earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 11:34 AM
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There's a difference in desire, urgency, and excitement between friendship and attraction though. Why is it important that men conflate the two? This is not something we try and trick women into thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 07:31 PM
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That's friendship. Not attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:50 PM
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"we have a laugh and get along" is categorically not "shes attracted to me". I'm not a moron.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:49 PM
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That's the "we get along as mates" bucket. Cool bucket. Can't get out of it though. If it did it's only because there is a hole in the bucket and that's only happened because something has gone very badly wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:49 PM
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That's great and all, but you are ignoring that her interactions with you are all within the context of the shared activity. Take that away, and you have nothing. There's no reason for her to say yes. I mean you make friends and all, obviously, and do stuff socially with them. You aren't asking them out though are you? Whether they're a man or a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:29 PM
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Explain how going to an event or a class with covert motives isn't inherently predatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:13 PM
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Someone meet on job/classes You're there to work and learn some join hobby group You're there to enjoy your hobby Some meet in bar. You're there to get drunk knew a guy who joined dance class to meet woman Surely then if he's not there to focus on dancing, he's being predatory?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:03 PM
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Look, when those attraction triggers require conscious thought on the part of a woman, that's a really bad sign. Attraction is automatic and unconscious, not a cold clinical decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:25 PM
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You can be the party without being attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:23 PM
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They've got to b open to you as well. And it's painfully clear who they are happy talking to and who they are flirting with. It's a two way thing. You can't talk at, flirt at, date at or have sex at people. Without the openess for it to come the other way, it's not happening, and it's clear when that's the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:23 PM
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Plenty of people are highly social, gregarious, popular without being desired. This idea that being social is all it takes for women to be open to you is delusional. Men will go somewhere to enjoy themselves, see friends, see something, and know that's all that's going to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 02:50 PM
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. I do believe that men don't deal with anything approximate to what women deal with, based on what i hear from men, and how they react when i tell them stuff, show them stuff, or talk to them as other men talk to me. And what do you mean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:37 PM
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Sure, i can have men's attention in a quantity they never dreamed of about women's attention, but the quality is also not something they have dealt with. That's clearly a statement negatively comparing the quality of men to the quality of women, even if it's only implicitly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:00 PM
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My point is your inbuilt bias is clear: you think all women are wonderful and all men are perverse and horrible. Otherwise you wouldnt blithely state that the quality of women is better than the quality of men. If one group had 100 red m&ms and another 5 blue m&ms you would like obviously say the group with red m&ms are better off because they have more and there's no real difference between red and blue m&ms. Anybody could follow that reasoning. But you, like others somehow think it's incompreh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 02:50 PM
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Why this assumption that the women men come across are any better than the men women come across? The quality is no different, the women just have more opportunity
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 02:39 PM
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Nah, sexuality is a core part of being human. Only if you are a woman or an attractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 05:36 PM
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I don't understand what you mean by this
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 06:50 PM
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That sounds tragic if I'm honest. If I wasn't a woman's type, it's reasonable that she ignores me. If I wasn't a woman's type and she didnt pass me up I'd question what the fuck went wrong for her to force her into association with a man she finds ugly as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 12:43 AM
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And women hate being given access and drinks for free right? Pull the other one. There's no way that a woman evaluates a man online differently to a man in person. All there's to go on are looks. Assuming they're good enough, then his persona, just as easily faked online as in real life. Then his claimed skills. Again, online or in person could be true, could be lies. No difference. The men that pass online will pass it in person, so there's no difference
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 12:32 AM
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irl meet ups in public areas are most women's go-to meet up places that I know of Right, and who are women open to meeting in those spaces? The men they like on apps. Dating apps are the way they are because they cater to women's preferences, they aren't some parallel space where the rules of attraction are completely different to real life. They cater to women, therefore they have to be shaped in a way that offer women the men women want. Online or offline, the men women will choose are exactly…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:20 PM
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Why would women care? A future in which they don't even see the unattractive men? That's a win. The only men that they encounter are all attractive? Massive win.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:16 PM
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What if you unbetray her by murdering all possible thoughts and feelings about her the moment you realise you are having them? Surely women should want men to do that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 05:14 AM
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It's as useful as strategising about what you will do after you've scored a hat trick in the world cup final as a double amputee
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:12 PM
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Because whilst I do believe women when they say they are open to being approached more, to being flirted with and chatted up, I'm not naive and stupid enough to believe that applies to any men other than attractive men. I am evidently not an attractive man, therefore there will never be a situation in which my company or conversation will be welcomed rather than reviled
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 12:45 AM
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Heartbroken? Not a chance. Personally insulted? Absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 11:24 AM
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Because it's fine for women to do it. And if it's fine for women to do it to men, it's fine for men to do it to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 09:26 AM
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So it's fine for you, as a woman, to end a potential connection with a man because he's not into you enough, but woe betide any man who does the same to a woman?! What's wrong with what he's saying? If a woman doesn't seem attracted enough to you, cut her off.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 09:23 AM
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I'll be dead
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:03 PM
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So if it's such a bad thing to do to someone, how is it acceptable when women do exactly what you describe to men? Women are open about lusting after attractive men, even when in relationships. They will follow attractive men on social media. And the message to men is just that have to suck it up and let them. How do you square that hypocrisy?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 09:42 AM
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And women don't do exactly this? Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 09:39 AM
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If women didn't want casual sex they wouldn't do it. You can't make people do something they don't want to, and if you asked those same women whether they had ever engaged in it, they'd say yes. So they did want it. Why this view that women aren't somehow sexual? That they gave responsive desire - yeah and as soon as an attractive man turn up, you bet that "responsive" desire turn pretty fucking spontaneous
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 12:09 PM
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If women didn't want casual sex they wouldn't do it. They do, voraciously and enthusiastically. The idea that women have it harder to date as a result is baffling.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 11:59 AM
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Oh no, one year, how painful, no one else could even compare. Surely the fact that one year for a woman is indescribably bad for a woman shows that women can get sex when they want far easier than men. Your horribly painful bad luck spell wouldn't even register for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 11:56 AM
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How can you disagree with someone and validate their idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:38 PM
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Oh you can improve yourself. Improve your upper body strength. Doesn't mean you'll be able to fly by waving your arms about. Those men will have improved themselves in the meantime but have the self awareness to know that it will never make a difference for women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:58 PM
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I mentioned it because it's an example of a man just wanting validation and I don't give it where I disagree. I don't see why I would treat a woman any differently. And I'm not twisting your words, I'm illustrating their ultimate conclusion. You can't say you must always validate women and then say "oh I didn't mean that"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:54 PM
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The point is they have to be perfect, whereas attractive men can be flawed and still not being written off. Now being flawed is realistic. Perfect? Impossible. So it's an entirely rigged game where your failure is guaranteed. Whats the point of taking part in that? Also, the guys Im talking about have had the same problems in their 20s and are now in their mid 30s with no evidence of improvement. Obviously there's no improvement. You go from not being able to achieve the impossible in your 20s t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:57 PM
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It's women themselves who describe themselves as "XX year old teenage girls" as a way to absolve themselves of responsibility for their actions
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:34 PM
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They mess up those chances constantly because they aren't given the benefit of being flawed people. The women who "gave them a chance" did so in a manner that predisposes them to look for any error and to write them off. If an attractive man is a little awkward? They'll persist with the interaction. But if an ugly man is a little awkward? That's it, they've fucked up, no coming back from that. What those chances really are is just a chance for those men to metaphorically hang themselves for the …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:23 PM
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Have you ever considered that the resolution is her feeling validated? Is that always the solution? What if validating her is actually just reinforcing her bullshit? Is that right? It's what my father wants when he describes his ideas to me. All he wants is for me to go "great plan". Sometimes his ideas are pure bollocks, and then I let him know that. Then he will get mad at me. Still, it's the right thing to do. But if its a woman, I'm supposed to deliver pure uncritical validation no matter ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:16 AM
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Because if you going to go down that route you can't just expect to be the side that's being understood. You also have to understand them as well. Women seem to come at this from a "you need to understand my feelings and issues.... fuck your feelings" standpoint. And amy self respecting man who realises this with anyone, male or female, is simply going to readjust by giving back as good as they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:04 AM
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They said they were ugly and then messaged them. Who in their right mind would try and connect woth someone they thought was ugly? Is there sone kind of "oh he's ugly so he has to be thankful: thing going on here? Or "he's ugly so he'll have to try super hard and be super attentive and accept crumbs from me" dynamic?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 07:58 AM
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So women messaged men they think were ugly. What good could possibly come from that, that's just absurdly disingenuous
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 11:49 PM
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You tell women to judge men on their past. That's fair. Why can't women be judged by men in return on exactly the same basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 11:39 AM
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Ooh men can certainly do a lot of wrong. And they don't get a "I was naive" cop out. Neither should women. If a woman was lying to a man, he's not responsible for her lying to him, but to can bet we are going to take the piss out of him for being dumb enough to fall for it. That's the bit he's responsible for, taking something at face value that doesn't even seem plausible. I just hold women to the same standard. Man lies to her, that his fault. She believes his lie? That's her fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:06 AM
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Right, and all you worldy, wise and immensely superior and intelligent women only ever notice the inconsistencies after you've fucked him a few times. Does that not seem incredibly unbelievable? You can't be both amazing and intelligent and superior and yet be as naive as a child at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 07:39 AM
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Fuck it, women get to absolve themselves of all sorts of immoral and ridiculous behaviour just by saying "I'm a 35 year old teenage girl, tee hee", can't do that and claim you don't stand for bullshit cop outs
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 10:50 PM
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If what you say is true, then women would never have caused to complain that men they've slept with turned out to be deficient in some way, like uncaring, or selfish, or arrogant etc. I find it highly unlikely that none of these things were unknown to women when they met those men. More likely that these men showed those attributes, but given they were attractive, those women found those things to be irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 10:38 PM
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If the bar is lower for casual sex than a relationship, then any person you would have a relationship with must also be someone you would have casual sex with. Yet that is not the case is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 09:13 AM
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I don't understand your description of casual sex as something men pursue out of selfishness, to use a woman to get off. And that women choose to avoid it because of the orgasm gap. Implicitly you are arguing that women who pursue casual sex are doing so altruistically, and that it's men's selfishness turning them off. That to me is laughable, because of you are being honest, women pursue casual sex are doing so for the same reason men do. To use another person to get off. In which case it's a *…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 09:11 AM
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You said that every woman you knew is in a relationship with a man they saw casually at first. That means the attraction preceded the relationship. That must mean that if you aren't attractive enough to be desired, you can't have a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:42 AM
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Coming from a person who has had way more sex than the average person would throughout their lifetime... Casual sex is too much of a risk and liability for women. Wayyyyy too much to be worth it anyway. So it's a risk and a liability to women, specifically to you yourself. And yet women still pursue it, religiously. To do something that you see as highly risky must only happen because you value it so highly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:40 AM
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Nobody cares that you've haven't had casual sex. Literally, nobody cares. They care that you're ugly. And if a woman learns you haven't been having casual sex that's a clear sign that whatever their feelings, women don't find him attractive. That's enough for her to subconsciously revise her attraction to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:37 AM
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There's nothing different. Everyone I know who had casual sex, got into a relationship with someone they started out having casual sex with. Well then that backs up that women don't want men they won't have casual sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:26 AM
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Unappealing meaning won't automatically and unquestionably bend to any woman's will
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:08 PM
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And we don’t want to be your mommy servant sex dolls And who says that men that won't break their own backs to fulfill any and every woman's whim wants that either?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:04 PM
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At the basic level, a lot of men simply don’t even know about effective attraction dynamics. What's there to know? Be attractive, don't be unnatractive. But be attractive is primary to don't be unnatractive. So looks are primary and behaviour secondary. Therefore attractive behaviour is irrelevant if you aren't good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:02 PM
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Still doesn't make it equitable, that just means you want to maintain an upper hand. I don't know why you need to lie about it, seeing as you are so irresistible to men you could openly be genocidal manics and and get what you want
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 10:54 PM
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Do women give a shit/not act like dicks? No? Then how is expecting men to do that in any way equitable?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 10:16 AM
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It's not wrong if your judgement of the situation is accurate
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 12:40 AM
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You think a womans no, maybe, or anything short of an enthusiastic yes is infact a yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 12:44 AM
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I mean, even your statement implies failure, and failure is bad
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:34 PM
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Attraction can grow and shift from a seed. But the seed has to be present. That seed of attraction is something that women will have from a number of men possibly. But they will all be attractive to begin with. If the man is unattractive there's nothing there to grow.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:30 PM
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It should have been irrelevant and not worth querying - that is if as you say being a virgin isn't something shameful.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:14 PM
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The fact you asked about how it could possibly happen implies disdain.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:27 PM
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Ah yes, so if you are ugly you have to hope unicorns exist. Do you think it's plausible that there exists a woman who finds a man attractive if no woman before has, and no woman after ever will? I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:26 PM
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Well yeah, the point is that if you are ugly, anything and everything you do is hurting your chances. Theres no winning, only not playing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:28 PM
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Well, wont ever know unless we try. I mean you can look in a mirror and then look at who she's comfortable with, or fawning over (online and in person). That's a pretty reliable gauge. Have to also see it from a womans perspective, they get approached A LOT. I cant stress that enough. I do, and from her perspective it would be better if she only got approached by attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:21 PM
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Yeah, but you want a sex life with people who want to be with you. You cant demand otherwise, that's rape. If they don't want to experience that with you, that's their desire and you can't change that fact. Therefore engaging in behaviour in an attempt to change the unchangeable is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:19 PM
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Changing a state or breaking an atomic bond is the definition of a practical distinction. It's even measurable. Or is the difference between ice, water and gas meaningless to you? And how is the attraction of women an unmeasurable, indistinct spectrum? Is a woman moving away from you as you sit down not a signal of how she feels?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:16 PM
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Exactly. And if you are an unattractive man, no location is appropriate, nor is any time appropriate. The interest women want is from attractive men. That means the interest of an ugly man is worthless and unwelcome
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:13 PM
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Unattractive man is what I meant. Sure romance is wanted from attractive men. If a woman gets the same thing from an ugly man thats no longer romantic, it's repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:11 PM
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Well yeah. Tact being not to bother and if there is cause to talk to her, to make sure it's as short as painless as possible. At least that way she's free for the men she actually finds attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:10 PM
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The amount of thermal energy, either to change states, emit light or break down atomic bonds. It's not some amorphous spectrum where theres no identifiable boundaries. Likewise women's attraction isn't some spectrum devoid of clear boundaries or breakpoints. That's just wishy-washy nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:09 PM
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They should be doing it in the first place. What exactly is the prize he's fighting for? A woman who doesn't desire him, will dem an him and will leave him at the drop of a hat. Why bother?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:03 PM
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Lol, from "I don't think men get shamed for being a virgin" to "How the fuck could that happen?!" in double quick time. It's the core assumption that you display, that he must have some great defect. And if he has a defect he's worth less. And if he's worth less, he should be shunned. That's what it looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:01 PM
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I mean, it's what women ask of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:54 PM
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What is the practical distinction between hot and cold? Loud and soft? Light and dark? The amount of energy involved. You can even measure such things.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:51 PM
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Reactive would imply that women would change their minds on being appealed to, even if you have to debase yourself. Rather than the reality of it being pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:49 PM
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But that doesn't mean it's welcome, at all. Surely one standard we can hold ourselves to is that unless she shows even a modicum on enthusiasm about us, we should always lock away the thought about trying to attract her and burn it to ash.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:48 PM
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Men want to experience love, affection, respect, acceptance, approval etc from their partner. Which is what women also WANT to experience from men in return. Yes but the idea that she wants to experience that from an in attractive man is fucking delusional. She wants that from attractive men, and she will show it. Women are not subtle at all about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:46 PM
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It's not okay if a woman does it but it's sure as hell is excused. Encouraged even.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 03:18 PM
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they complain that women are not attracted to them and don't treat them like Chad. That being that a woman who claims she's attracted to him acts like she likes him? How unreasonable!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:19 AM
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So we’re surprised when men turn down the very thing they obsess over Sounds like women despise men as a matter of course. Why should men make an effort to change their opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 02:59 PM
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But it’s not because they know who I am. Otherwise I would have problems making male friends or friends in general - so I know my personality is not the problem. You know that's an irrelevant measure for how attractive your personality is for a relationship. It means nothing, good or bad. They got to see you from a non-friend point of view, and apparently didn't like it. Women say they do this all the time, and so I find it baffling and a woman would claim to be unaware it happens to them as wel…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 08:30 AM
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Look, people are responsible for what they choose to do, and so while you are entirely correct that: That there are abusive people who pretend to be normal and healthy, which is not a woman's fault. And that as the abuser chooses to commit abuse, they are responsible for it. However, at the same time, as the victim is not at fault for the abuse, they are choosing to stay, and therefore they are responsible for staying. They have the choice to leave, they aren't being held under duress and they s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 08:24 AM
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So you get rejected once they know who you are as opposed to being rejected out of hand. How is a person taking who you are into consideration worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 08:12 AM
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Because hes so valuable even scraps are worth it. Whereas the second man is worth less to her so she won't accept a hookup. He's only valuable if he offers everything. The men she accept hookups from are clearly worth more to her than the man she wouldn't consider unless he offers to date her with all the material benefits she can gain from it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 01:38 AM
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Sugar is attractiveness, nutritional value is personality. You have cake because you want to and you enjoy it, whereas you have broccoli because you are forced to to remain healthy. Gee whiz, I wonder why people prefer being the one that's chosen because they are enjoyed, rather than the one chosen because they have to out of necessity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 01:33 AM
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Would you instinctively agree with this: And I don’t doubt lack of sex and relationships suck. Contrary to popular belief here, there are men who are sexless and turned down by women. Even if they’re fat, old, disabled or disfigured - they still exist. And I feel empathy for that level of emotional and touch starvation. What I can’t do is feel empathy for those who think saying men are all manipulators, can’t love women, use women, settle for their wives, whatever - choose your red pill narrativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 09:51 AM
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You in your response - so your own words by your own hand - wrote that you have empathy when women are alone. And in the next paragraph wrote when you lack empathy, and wrote that it's when it's happened to a man. Basically it shows that for you, unconsciously, if it's female, it's to be empathised with, and if it's male, it's to be reviled.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 09:03 PM
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And I feel empathy for that level of emotional and touch starvation. I can offer empathy all day long. This is what he's on about. Because it's women being talked about you able to feel empathy. You don't catastrophies or add malign intent to their issues. And when it's men? Can't happen
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 06:45 AM
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Isn't putting your shoes on the first step? You may have great endurance and cardio etc etc. but if you are not able to get to the start line you capabilities are irrelevant
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 10:30 AM
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This sub is hyperfocused on the first date, not the work needed for a lifelong partnership How does the partnership start without a first date?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 07:38 AM
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He wants public praise for paying his bills and refraining from crime. Why the fuck do women see this as some great personal achievement and evidence of great value as a woman then?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 07:15 AM
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They don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 07:08 AM
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You need to talk so that she can get attracted to you (that's why dating exists, nobody is pre attracted to someone unless they are very hot) Again, would you ever tell a woman: "You need to talk so that he can get attracted to you" Of course not, no woman's supposed to do anything to get a man's attraction. His attraction must be present from the get go. Her having to work for it is always an unacceptable and oppressive burden.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 07:07 AM
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There is a baseline level where a woman says “Yeah, he looks all right.” Again, tell me where women are told a man going up to her and saying "you look all right" means she now should go on a date with him? They aren't, because to do so would be demeaning them, they are told "you deserve a man that treats you like a goddess" and barely clearly his indifference isn't that. So why are men having to accept something women wouldn't ever consider acceptable? Now his idiosyncrasies start looking reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 07:05 AM
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it makes sense to accept it and adapt She's suggests that men do this, yes. Women? Women apparently shouldn't have to accept or adapt for anything
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 06:59 AM
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Your freinds and your family are all real people for whom you would think you have love for. But that is not the type of love you have for your partner. Surely you can see this?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 11:54 PM
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How? Like a friend? A brother? A child? They are all love, but that's not what is needed in a relationship. And women know this. Would you want your husband/partner to turn to you and say "I love you, like a friend"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 10:59 PM
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Why would you advise talking to her when she's not attracted to you though?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 09:03 PM
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Why even talk to her? What's the point of fighting like mad for an impossible prize?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:58 PM
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Women do just that tho. I know plenty of women who live alone with no husband and have been for years, and no sex either That's not what I mean. What I mean is the women who do partner up with the men she's had to settle for and expect to be treated with the utmost regard, like she's the best thing that's ever happened to him when she in no way expect to have to reciprocate that. If women are recommended that the men that get settled for should accept that the women won't ever be attracted to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:54 PM
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You aren't suggesting that men and women should compromise. You only suggest men should.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:47 PM
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That's being a friend to someone. Which people need. But accepting being in a relationship with them is accepting having responsibilities towards them. For what? Nothing. I don't see why that should be a thing to compromise about. You would never suggest women should consider accepting being a dutiful mother and maid to a man who won't touch her. Why suggest men should?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:46 PM
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But what use is convincing yourself of the lie that she's attracted to you when she isn't? At that point you may as well settle for a facsimile of a human being, if you are knowingly accepting a facsimile of human attraction. And we all know how pathetic and limited it is to emotionally tether yourself to an AI.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:37 PM
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Shouldn't women be left in their entirety to those few men then. It seems they'd want it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:27 PM
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That's a textbook definition of how women think most men are ugly. And that the few men they do experience visceral attraction for are the only men that for whom women being attracted to them is a reality. For the rest of us, as women should only be with men they are attracted to, we shouldn't talk to women at all or accept the second rate thing they call attraction or love.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:26 PM
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She'll actually be enthusiastic about spending time with you. Not just happy, enthusiastic
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 09:25 PM
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The point is that if at any point during the process you realise she's not enthusiastic about it? Leave. Because if she liked you she would be. If she was talking about spending time with a man she liked, she'd be enthusiastic about it, so let her go and be with that man
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 04:10 PM
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They advise styling your hair and being fit and smiling and having good posture and wearing clothes that compliment you. That's just looking neat though. Neat and attractive are not the same thing. A neat good looking man is attractive. A neat ugly man is still ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:53 AM
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is that it is natural selection when undesired and undesirable men end up not reproducing. If she wasn't so full of shit and fully into the paradigm of "women are wonderful, men are horrible" she would make that statement about people, but no, just men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:15 AM
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Nice way to say you don't think women are at fault when putting themselves in a position that were a man put himself into, he would be at fault for.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 05:58 PM
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And regarding women in the fuck zone or situationships? Is she exclusively at fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 09:48 AM
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And the general theme seems to be that women are having sex outside of marriage, but not with you, and hence they should be punished until they either stop the first or start the second. (Why aren't y'all more aiming at punishing the men?) Because when 20 year old women are knowingly sleeping with and dating married men, criticism of the man is valid. Woe betide anyone who criticises and negatively judges the woman. So in the spirit of equality, why would you punish the man sleeping with a marri…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 09:27 AM
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Women actively engaging in hookups knowing all they want is sexual gratification from the man proves that wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 05:37 PM
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I 100% agree. But as an adult, don't palm off the responsibility for the fallout if it goes pear shape onto the rest of us. That's what you leave out. That despite saying rightly that women choose men based on attraction, that women will also blame their party men for her choices and his actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 11:10 AM
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It's actually so weird that you think there's a need to make things "fair" regarding asymmetric harm in domestic violence. He wasn't but you immediately jumped to attacking the idea that men suffer from domestic violence. Hence my stating that this was an exhibit of "it doesn't count if it happens to a man"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:35 AM
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If a woman dates a regular guy, and it's going well, and then over time has to break up with him because the relationship isn't working out, what is she going to say to others post-breakup? "He was so nice, I loved him"? No, she's going to say all the bad things about him. But if she was with him that long wouldn't it be the truth that: I loved him" So why lie? Is it because saying: all the bad things about him. Implies that he only was bad to her? Which makes her look like a morally unblemished…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:27 AM
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That you are perfectly happy to declare that domestic violence is worse for women because of asymmetric harm - that you think women are harmed more than men are - and therefore you should only be concerned about the more harmed party. But if the more harmed party were to be men, that principle is nowhere to be seen. Because the actual principle you adhere to is that it doesn't matter if it happens to men, only if it happens to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:03 AM
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Exhibit A in "it doesn't matter if it happened to a man"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:52 AM
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Oh because women only have sex to lock men into an implied relationship. Sounds like they're all being pretty shitty if that's what they've been doing
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:36 AM
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Good is a primary trait The point is thats not the case, at best it's secondary. If it were a primary trait, no women would ever get together with a man and then find out he's bad. If it were a primary trait, it would be a key characteristic driving attraction: not only would every man she's been with share that trait, but every man she's hooked up with, been on a date with, or even been attracted to. Is that the case? Women don't report that, themselves. It's "he was abusive, he was unkind etc …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 08:33 AM
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Do you find what you are describing to be wrong and unconscionable? Yes? So then don't do it to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 02:17 PM
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I don't think that's a controversial opinion at all actually. On an individual basis, I'd be surprised if any individual woman found as much as 5% of the men she sees attractive. Certainly when you parse what each individual woman says she wants in a man in the aggregate (tall, attractive, wealthy etc) into a proportion of the male population you will come up with a value of less than 1%. I think women have a problem with the idea that as a collective they are only attracted to a minority of men…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:22 PM
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If a man who constantly fucks enthusiastic women and who's idea of a dry spell is a woman not being into him for a week says it's fine, yeah I'd feel able to tell him he doesn't know what he's on about. Men are used to being called out for not being able to understand the experience of certain groups of people. Men can't talk about the things women experience, fair enough. I dont talk about the issues behind pregnancy or menstruation for example because I know any opinion I have is invalid. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:23 PM
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I agree that the older women get a lot more attention than the 30+ year old male virgin. That's the point. The complaints will be taken more seriously and older men who don't want to provide the attention shamed more despite the fact that the women in question are still in an objectively better position. But that would mean their complaints should be dismissed. Are they? No. They're seen as being more unfairly dismissed than the virgin men. If anything they're the ones who should have their comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:15 PM
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Further. I don’t think it’s BAD advice to tell those folks to learn to be happy single. I also do not think it’s wrong to say if you’ve had zero intimacy for multiple decades of life it is a YOU issue. You say that but when older women enter the zone of irrelevance, where they aren't being asked on dates or having dates or experiencing male desire, they go through a period of self image and self confidence crisis. And telling them that's a them issue and they should get over it does not go down …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 07:30 AM
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The point is those periods of time that women have been single, they've been: a period of months, not a decade still been going on multiple, frequent dates still been frequently sexually active Of course prolonged single men who are inexperienced/virgins would find their singleness not so bad if that was their experience of it, but they aren't women. But they're not, they're talking about being single for years, with no prospect of a date, and not even a prospect of a hookup to tide them over. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 07:24 AM
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Having spent four years in a frat, I can say that alcohol was absolutely the primary factor in the vast majority of hookups, not the guy’s appearance. There were guys in my frat who managed to hook up with a drunk girl or two who were hotter than any girl they ever dated. A drunken hookup is pretty much the only scenario where that happens. Alcohol enables bad decisions for both genders. Alcohol doesn't just happen to people. Those women getting drunk at that location is a choice they are making…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:23 PM
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It's not my problem because I didn't choose to do it to her. If you reverse the genders, you know you'd have no problem articulating that as I chose to take the risk against my better judgement, I bear responsibility for the results. And you'd also no doubt say that the idea that you, as a third party shouldn't bear any responsibility for it or have to change your behaviour or choices because of something you had no influence over. And I would agree. You would never sympathise with a man. Fair e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 04:28 PM
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He's not the one breaking her boundaries though, she is. Of course hooking up with a man you met 5 minutes ago and going to his house or anywhere else of his choosing with nobody knowing so he can fuck you is risky, that's why women would never do it. But then some attractive man comes along, and that same woman whos oh so concerned about her personal safety and wary of the risks and STDs etc etc just goes and does it anyway. She makes that decision, not him. So yeah why would any man care? That…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 02:43 PM
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No one wants to be with someone who doesn’t find them attractive. No one wants to be settled for. Why do people describe it as a good thing if women do it though?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 02:34 PM
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I don't see how it can be negative if it's true. And I don't see how it benefits women either. Men realising that if they talk to a woman the best that can happen if being a placeholder for her that funds her for a few months while she tries to fuck the actually attractive men liberates him from having to deal with it, and women only have to interact with attractive men. They'd be in a sea of constant desired male attention without the horrible experience of ugly men thinking they want to spend …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:47 AM
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That's reliant on the man mis judging reluctant and intermittent attention as genuine instant and intense attraction. It requires the man to not know any better. Sure it's an imagination issue but it's having to imagine it's better than the reality of the situation. The truth is that no man will be in a good relationship if he's not attractive to the women, he's always on the verge of being thrown away by her as soon as a man she actually desires comes along. Women define a good relationship lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:39 AM
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You said it like "if I'm not a chad she's settling" when it's actually "if she doesn't treat me like a chad, she's settling" Which she won't be. Sure she'll insist that she is, but that's never going to be the truth of it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 10:27 PM
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Being less horny for Bob the socially awkward guy from Accounting than we are for that hot Running Back that we met on the beach that time If that's the case, what's wrong with Bob knowing this and acting accordingly? You have had that instant lust for a more attractive man and acted on it, he can't control that or expect you not to in the future. So it's prudent of him to hold back. Women if they know about a man's past are always going to remember it and use it to decide how to act. There will…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 10:25 PM
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The dry spell in question being what, 2 - 3 months max? Any man with a sexual encounter once every 3 months would count as being wildly sucessful
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 01:21 AM
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Nah, women don't give a shit and they never will.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 01:09 AM
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It certainly implies less enthusiasm, excitement and desire, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 01:07 AM
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I mean, I reckon women would have a lot more enthusiasm for an attractive man to have sex with than a man who's normal. And well, if that's the case, why would would want to be the man she's not enthusiastic about?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 10:05 AM
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women are sexual only with highly attractive men, I don't see what's wrong with this assumption, you'd hardly expect woman to be sexual with men they aren't attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 09:52 AM
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She didn’t know he was a Nazi supporter until after she fucked him Yeah, that's fair enough, I assume you'd, you know, not fuck him after you find out because of your principles right? Sleeping with him again was not a choice I would have made Lmao, then she's as big of a piece of shit as she criticises him for being then. but I could see her logic being she already did it once - why not do it again? And therefore so are you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:49 PM
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"I guess his principles didn't stand up against a nice set of tits" Pot? Kettle? No? It's telling she says that and doesn't question how this shows her principles are as robust as a Cybertrucks window, lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 07:42 PM
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. If you can't find someone you desire, marry a friend. And you would advise a woman to do this? I doubt it. Thats all what betabuxing is. A good friend that you have shared values with and can raise children with. Look, if I were to say to a woman that "I can't really get who I want and you will do. Oh and just to be clear, this is strictly business, I'm here because you aren't repulsive to me, and Thai is a useful if impersonal arrangement but don't ever think I'll actually desire or care for …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 07:35 PM
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This is the "giving men a chance" that so many men ask for. Which I dont think is right. Being the one she inherently looks forward to spending time with is honest, and right. Being the one she has to reluctantly psych herself up for isn't. I honestly don't understand the psychology of men who want to have dates and relationships with women who aren't attracted to them. Any inkling she's there on a date with you because her actual desired man isn't? End it. Using you as leverage to make him jeal…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 06:50 PM
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It's not about resources. It's the idea that you should accept that whereas that woman would have willingly been with one or many other men because she was genuinely attracted to them, she's only with you because she's motivated to do so by her failing to make it work with those men. And even then, where she knew she was attracted to those men when she met them, with you it took "her learning about you", which is nothing more than you doing enough to overcome her lack of attraction to you. Noone…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 03:05 PM
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that still got better than him So she should be with that man then. with a guy who already pulled more than his share, living a better life than the loser Yes, it really sounds like the man she's settled down with is one she desires. Oh how I dream of being with a woman who speaks about me in such effervescent terms. Are you really arguing for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:42 PM
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And so, they should let women use them and encourage it? What kind of fucked up desire is that? No, just as it's right that women should be aware of the sorts of interactions and situations they should avoid, so it's right for men. Women getting to the point where, contrary to their past, they decide to get together with a man they didn't find physically attractive should be avoided.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:29 PM
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So how is your attraction to him sincere if it took you warming up to him, where there will have been men that didn't require that for you to like them? It's at best a lesser quality of attraction, and at worst an attraction driven by perverse incentives.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:12 PM
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So she made a friend, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:10 PM
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Nah, what it is is the woman deciding to couple up with a man because of his usefulness, but as she's not attracted to him not being able to desire, enjoy or enthusiastically initial sex with him. It's her putting him in a male version of the Madonna position that if he were to do to her, shed consider perverse and misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:09 PM
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I mean it's the same as the Madonna/Whore complex women consider derogatory. So why is it fine for women to subject men to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:06 PM
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That makes both sense. Why would you ever want to meet them again if you had no attraction? That sounds terrifying from the man's pov
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 06:06 AM
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That's not exactly great is it. How about don't do that, just try and get with the fre men you do find sexually attractive. At least that's honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 06:04 AM
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You as a woman, no doubt consider any man who doesn't speak out against any of his friends doing anything dodgy as him tacitly approving of what his friend is doing, right? Especially if what his friend is doing harms women. So I'm just saying that should be a universal concept then, and women who don't speak out against their friends should also be considered as tacitly approving what their friends are doing. Why is that beyond the pale? So when you say: Should we bring back public floggings th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 01:38 PM
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However you can’t claim that this means that women don’t hold each other accountable. I can and do claim that if women deem men who follow this method you describe as acceptable for women, (not publicly challenging people) as being complicit in the actions of men they don't challenge
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:23 AM
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You mention women getting paid less than men in the first place, how is that relevant to this discussion? It's not even legal. There is no connection. I was just stating why it's not even a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 09:29 AM
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Because they aren't paid less? Maybe they earn less due to doing less hours, but that's not discrimination. If they did get paid less and it was legal, why would anyone employ the more expensive man over the cheaper woman for the same productive output?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 09:24 AM
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Like I said, you can leave the nitty gritty until later, more privately if you prefer. But at least say you disagree or that it's wrong there and then. That's all that's really necessary. Hell I've even told someone who I met not an hour earlier who was going on about his women problems that "I'd actually respect you more if you were just fully being a cunt and just straight up pumping and dumping them because at least then it'd be honest, and they'd get over it". That's not me trying to solve t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 09:20 AM
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Again I've said this a couple of times to other responders. All you are doing by that is first backing up her choices. You wait for a one on one discussion, that's what, weeks or months later? In the meantime publicly you back her up. How's that her being held accountable?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 06:25 AM
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What you are describing is public backing up of her actions, before what you described as accountability happens in private, weeks, maybe months later? It's not about dressing her down in public. It's her saying a shitty thing she's done and you publicly stating "yeah, she's right to do it". That is enabling her shit. Why not an immediate reaction of "that's bollocks mate", or "that's fucked up mate"? It leaves it clear that we don't think what they are doing is right the moment we find out abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 06:23 AM
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The thing with that is you don't find out about what they are doing one on one do you? There's going to be a delay in time which means until that private discussion you are not holding them accountable at all, you are giving them your tacit approval. Especially if you go the other way and initially defend her actions publicly. Maybe you don't think a quick but immediate reaction of "that's bollocks mate", or "that's fucked up mate" is appropriate, but it leaves it clear that we don't think what …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 06:19 AM
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Nah, they know perfectly well what they want
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 11:50 PM
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You are talking as if its not entirely by design
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 11:49 PM
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Exhibit ZZ in women justifying actions they crucify men for. I've been told off for telling women I'm an unemployed alcoholic 50 year old man for "making her feel bad when she's trying to talk to you", and I can't for the life of me figure out why
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 11:48 PM
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Women think of attractiveness as options. So if a guy sees 40-50 women he is attracted to every day that means he sees 40-50 possibilities/options every day all he needs is for some of them to be attracted to him back(+effort) and BAM she's replaced . So if they aren't attracted to him they aren't options are they? And she's going to have more men attracted to her than women attracted to him. She has more options.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 11:43 PM
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Women do hold each other accountable, just not always publicly or in ways men notice. Some of you act like if it’s not a public spectacle, it doesn’t count. Accountability isn’t always loud or performative. It still happens. Examples then. What form does this apparant accountability take?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 11:31 PM
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Fair claim if people walked round calling themselves expert paedo detectors. But they don't. Women vis a vis "abusive men" however...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 02:27 PM
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He picked up his phone from the car he was in to ring his girlfriend, who was also sat in said car? Yeah, you are right, that doesn't make sense at all, but go on.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 02:24 PM
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That's cool and all, but you need to tell women to stop conflating their sexual and romantic preferences with moral superiority.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 06:37 PM
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Do you not understand the meaning of the word "also"?!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 12:49 PM
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So what's the problem then? We are moving towards the knowledge that only a few men can be desired for casual sex and the rest shouldn't bother talking to women. Women win, only attractive men will interact with them, and the majority of men don't have to live under the delusion that women want anything to do with them
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:32 AM
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Yes, but you speak as if women don't also hit on men with base intentions as much as men do. The difference is most men are on the recieving end of those attempts, there's a stark difference in the experience of an attractive man vs an average man in this regard. I mean it's not like the whole sneaky link, casual sex thing is coming out of thin air, and you aren't saying women are morally deficient or should be ashamed of it, you would say they are sexual beings. Well good, don't lie and pretend…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:20 AM
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You're neglecting the challenge of finding the haystack in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:14 AM
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Then they should suck it up and deal with it like women expect men to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:11 AM
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Ah yes, all male attention is in bad faith and all female attention is morally upright and superior
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:09 AM
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That's what they say. But the likelihood is that they're not looking for anything serious and keeping their hookups discreet.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 04:53 PM
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Really? And how exactly are women punished for not having their shit together? What part of life are they excluded from?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 04:51 PM
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I don't see how questioning what she's saying is spiteful
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 01:50 PM
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Women do say they are perfect. Women speak about themselves as if they are perfect. Even you post describing women as wanting to wait at the finish line because they've always been responsible in their desires implicitly assumes women are perfect and infallible.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:10 PM
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If women are choosing to do things, then yes, they are also accountable for the result of those things. They don't get to be absolved of responsibility wjust because they are women. Children are absolved of responsibility, because it's recognised they aren't able to understand the consequences of their decisions. Are you saying women should be treated like children?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:08 PM
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I hold him in equally high regard. You joke with your friends about having to train him up. How's that holding him in high regard. Would you accept him dismissing you in the same way to his friends? Obviously not. Why do women always think it's fine for them to be shitty, when they know they'd never accept being treated like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:38 AM
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It's about the dichotomy of woman saying it took their immaturity and mistakes to learn and grow, but woe betide any man does that, they should know everything about how to serve women immediately. How do women give themselves the grace to be flawed, deny men that grace and say with a straight face "men are immature unlike us, we were looking for serious relationship from the start" when they patiently know that's not true, because they themselves were a young woman who didn't do that either!!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:36 AM
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That what women chase, that's what woman end up doing (they all have that story), that can only happen if it's what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:33 AM
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Women arent passive actors in that. They enjoy being taken out on minimum a few dates per week at no cost to herself. They enjoy casual sex and the validation they get, otherwise why would going a few weeks without it make them so mad? You tell a woman you don't have women interested in you, she thinks you're subhuman, it's not an experience that frankly makes sense in her head, it's so alien
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:32 AM
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Oh come on, you talk about him like he's a pet dog. What if he talked about you the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:07 AM
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The differences is women are not punished for their errors, and men are. So women think they are the ones sinned against, rather than sinners just the same as the men. Women are in a relative constant bender when it comes to "the good times". How long is a woman's sexual dry spell? Weeks. Not years, weeks. How long between dates or interest or just going and getting physical needs met? Women in their 40s or 50s probably do see a marked decrease in their ability to get satisfaction and connection…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:06 AM
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And makes women instantly perfect and infallible?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:02 AM
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They’re more likely to actually want commitment. I think you guys are ignoring that part on purpose. Lmao, yeah, that 20 something is wanting commitment with the 40 something bloke at her office that's able to quietly squirrel her away to paid luxury weekends away at some luxury hotel room, but not with her literal peer.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:00 AM
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And women never have to get their shit together. And they aren't expected to use it for someone else's benefit when they do. And they are allowed to have the freedom to explore and make mistakes whilst dating, which men are not - otherwise asking women to wait until their 35 or 49 before even thinking about dating or hooking up would be a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:54 AM
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And yet shell described the mistakes she makes as forgivable because "she was only a 20 something teenage girl". So what is it? Are you fully mature or leaning via making mistakes? And why do you give yourself leeway and not men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:51 AM
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Have you spoken to women? There's always going to be an underlying concern and wariness about the character of men when they are unattractive that women dont feel if the man in question is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:08 PM
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You asked how are women supposed to know if it's involuntary or not if he never tells her. It's an irrelevant question because the truth, yes or no, will be taken well or poorly depending on whether she's attracted to him or not. The answer itself is therefore irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 04:39 PM
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Plenty of men good enough for you to mess around and try with right? You aren't in a position where you know no matter what you do the idea of you wanting love, connection and sex is repulsive. So repulsive even talking about it is never to be done. Maybe you cant be an international player, but people are happy with you in their team. It's not like you've been told noone in the world would ever want you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 04:38 PM
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It's the reverse of the halo effect in action. It's not some extraordinary and obscure phenomenon. Have you listened to the difference in how women talk about attractive vs unattractive men? There's no dividing line on attraction vs revulsion for women when it comes to whether he's taken or not, only if he's attractive or not. That's not insecurity, that's real life experience used to filter how the wider population will treat you going forwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 04:34 PM
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And your experience with this dilemma is?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 04:27 PM
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How are women supposed to know it’s voluntary or not unless dudes telling them? By the women assuming they are morally deficient people because they're ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 04:24 PM
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It's not a guarantee we want, it's an actual equal opportunity on a level fucking playing field. You gave that rich man a chance because he was funny? Why do I have to give her a non refundable down payment just for her to consider the outside possibility of maybe perhaps at some indeterminate point in a possible or not possible future to perhaps maybe give me a 5 second look? And then when a woman gives what appears to be that same chance as the others? Oh, she's here because her boyfreind spli…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:13 PM
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A self-defeating excuse. If you wouldn’t love a woman if she were obese and covered in acne, then that means you could never ever love her… I mean, this is what you are saying about men, so I don't see where the disagreement is. Why do you argue that someone likes the improved you means they don’t like you? It's an is/is not test. Does this magnet stick to the material? Yes - it's magnetic, no - it isn't. In the same way, would she like the before version of you, with less material possessions, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 04:30 PM
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Improve their presentation? The point is it's an is/is not test. Sure, you can improve presentation, but that's a superficial change. If before women weren't attracted to you, and after some were, the is/is not comparison means that the women that were attracted after the change must therefore be superficial. Women don't want superficial men, why would men want superficial women? Learn to talk to people? I mean women just assume you are a deaf/mute monstrosity if you are unnatractive, people tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 10:39 AM
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By knowing and anticipating that and not bothering with her in the first place. It's not hard. "She's attractive but would she talk to me? No. Then don't bother." It's solid reasoning online or in real life. And it's what women want, so its a win win.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 09:34 AM
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when it comes to the way genders interact with one another in real life, Is say using a complete lack of interaction on the part of a woman is a pretty damn solid reason to reject her. Sure that can happen because shes talking to someone else. Why's that? She likes him more to open his message and not yours, which is perfectly fair. It's also perfectly fair to then cancel the match. That's not ghosting, fucking hell. What's the deal women have with moaning about their dating success, as if it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:04 AM
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if a person can aim higher they should Lmao, but only if they are women amirite? Your entire argument is that as men are doing this, is causing women issues in dating and that they should stop. I would say any argument that relies on one gender being forbidden to act in a way to allow the other to do precisely that thing is not one to be respected or taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 06:58 AM
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who keeps a list of the people he's slept with, their social media, their ratings, But women do this and it's fine?!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 09:54 AM
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That's literally just women giving into sexual power dynamics
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 09:26 AM
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I would also point out that the common advice to placeholder girlfriends is to leave because that is not acceptable Or better, don't join in the first place? Just keep in mind that for both men and women, they don’t know from date, one or date two whether you are somebody they want to build a life with. The point is, you are evaluating that on the dates right? So, who you are willing to go on dates with in the first place has the most influence on who you deem as suitable for you. So any ugly ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:29 PM
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I get not wanting men to hit on you when you don't want them to, but don't you feel worse when an ugly man does vs an attractive man? One is affirming, the other undermining.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:21 PM
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In talking with men, many of them are relate a very formative experience in their late teens or early 20s, where they’ve dated a hot chick who’s great in bed, but is a complete nut job. Maybe we weren't all stupid enough to think such a woman was either not a nut job, and second that she's even attracted to you. And vice versa. I mean some of what women say, I'm absolutely shocked the 40 something year old man who worked in the same office as you when you graduated said his wife didn't treat him…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:19 PM
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That a woman can describe her experiences with rose men in vivid technicolour, and then describe her "maturing" and only then being able to describe the men she settles with in flat monochrome. You loved the men you slept with when younger for who they are. The ones you settle for, if asked about them, all that comes to.mind is how he transfers value to you. That's just sad. Why are you doing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:00 PM
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I'm not saying you should. But its implicit in you answer that you consider being with a man who's personality you mesh with as settling. Fair enough. Make that known. The n women will only have to deal woth the kinority of men that are attractive, that's a better world for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:57 PM
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I'm saying don't settle and don't pretend that you ever will. Wouldn't you prefer never having to talk to men that are ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:55 PM
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No, I just don't get where this need to seem like it's not the first think that women filter for comes from. If it was widely understood, we'd be in a world where half the men would date and hookup and enter relationships, and the rest could do other things knowing that no woman would ever want them. And the women would therefore like in a world where they only interact with attractive men, which is what they want
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:54 PM
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You filter first by looks and then personality. When you are able to have the men you want, you go on dates with men you find attractive and then on the date itself to figure if you even like them. The sequencing of it gives the game away.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:21 AM
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It's not as apparent in real life even if the sentiment is the same to an extent, but the longer I think about it I genuinely think men largely don't get the way women think. I love the insinuation that men should understand and account for the way women think, but the other way round? Women can't be expected to lower themselves to doing that? Can women, just for a second, just imagine what it would feel like to know the person you are with does not, would have never, and will not ever desire yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:19 AM
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For men who value hooking up more than marriage, his wife is the lame boring loser he settles for after he’s given his best years to the women he truly adores. Men like this cannot feel real genuine passion for their wives because what they really value is sexual variety and a hot new hookup. She’ll always just be the boring ball and chain holding him back. It's funny that you recognise this is a shit situation but flip the sexes and all of a sudden you think it's disproportionate and unrealisti…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 06:18 AM
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Why not just lie about it. Fake it. It sounds like the reaction women will have to finding out a man is romantically or sexually inexperienced and that's the recommendation for that problem. Why not for this one?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:29 PM
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It's happened enough times that there's a very obvious pattern. Are you doing it as a way to say you are better than him?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 04:31 PM
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long term relationships partner selection How, pray tell, do women choose whom to enter relationships with?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 03:20 PM
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You’re really running with the car analogy. People aren’t cars Obviously. That's why it's just an analogy. But broadly speaking, women's experience of dating is a lot closer to picking from a selection of choices than it is for men so I'm not sure it's a completely ridiculous one. Women have a whole suite of men to pick from, they choose the more attractive out of the lot. Eventually, if none of them work out they get to a rustbucket with an underpowered engine (which as a man if you are only ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 12:15 PM
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But, to carry on the analogy, you are only test driving Ferraris, and purchase only cars that you test drive. That Ford Fiesta ST might be right up your street, but you aren't even dismissing it, it's not even on your radar. Similarly, what good is the ability to sustain a relationship if you are never grabbing any initial attention? With the other way round you are getting to step 2 and, yeah, failing it. But that's far better than not being able to get to step 1. Step 1 preceding step 2 is pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 11:41 AM
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Good looks gives you the leeway to demonstrate your personality. No woman if paying attention to the good personality of an ugly man, and that's fine. But that does mean you can't honestly say you find personality more important than looks if looks are your primary filter. That would be like needing to buy a car, and spending days going to showrooms and speccing out Ferraris, Bugattis, Koenigseggs etc. and then after all that claiming your number one priority is meeting your £10,000 budget.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 09:06 AM
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That's fine, and it's not fair to ask someone to change what they find attractive so they will date you. But what makes it believable that women do find the types of men attractive later in life that they would have turned their noses up in disgust at earlier in life?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 09:00 AM
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The literal average woman is 40 yo and overweight. By those metrics so is the average man. Are women flocking to that? Are they fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:25 AM
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That is, that women will always go for the hottest guy no matter what. Nor am I sold on the idea that average men are likely to be nicer. Not really. Just that his attractiveness is a massive motivational factor for women to not take notice of the red flags when they first show themselves. These men weren't hiding it, the women were wilfully believing a story they were telling themselves. And even they know that because women will talk about only noticing problematic behaviours in retrospect. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 12:19 PM
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Straight women can think they are more or less attractive for any sort of reason, it's all irrelevant as they aren't looking to attract themselves, they're looking to attract men. So it's those men who determine whether they are attractive or not, for their own reasons, not what those women tell them they should be attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 08:49 AM
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Why would 100 be insufficient if that's what she's giving him?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 11:52 AM
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In which case the women should be demonised for it as much as the men are. Are they? Are they fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 07:13 PM
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That women describe men as being amoral users who use and discard women after sleeping with them, but won't accept women who do the same things being described the same way. It's prevalent, that women cannot be as bad as men who act in the manner they do which to me is not accountability at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:03 PM
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I'm not sure accountability is wanting to be free to degrade something or someone for your own personal benefit or happiness whilst objecting that you be victim to the same. Women routinely want to obfuscate the fact that they want to play the field and sleep around with the attractive men, even going as far as to say that some men are there to hook up with for a night and then discard them. But woe betide anyone describe them as the ones to be used for a night and discarded. I mean that's what …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 02:37 PM
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But why do you find that a reason to be embarrassed about it? Are you saying that if you're having those thoughts about an attractive man and he figures it out that it's welcome, unlike for an ugly man? What does that say about how you perceive the value of attractive vs ugly men?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 02:29 PM
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What my brain finds attractive on an aesthetic level and my body is sexually attracted to on a primal level are not always aligned, I guess. This I think is key. What you are describing is the difference between what you may want consciously and what you respond to inherently. Given that they are not aligned, and you are describing your lust as sometimes being embarrassing for you, doesn't that mean that the primal attraction is more valid than the conscious attraction (personality etc etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 08:25 AM
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How can it be genuine if it's embarrassing for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 08:17 AM
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I've even felt embarrassed by the type of guy I was crushing on. And you think that's a compliment? If I heard a woman had a crush on me, but was embarrassed by it, I'd be insulted. It's as if the crush is not really valid because he's unattractive, and that's what makes it embarrassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 07:30 AM
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Why do those women deserve it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:21 PM
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Do women deserve power or sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:19 PM
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Older women don’t all act disgusted by their partners. If anything, older couples tend to be pretty sweet to each other and take care of each other, from what I’ve seen. But if there's no desire, no attraction, he's just providing safety and provision. And she'll go elsewhere for the desire, excitement, attention, sex etc. Maybe even for children.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:51 AM
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It's just consistently odd to me that some guys view it as some sort of manipulative trap women are pulling instead of the very real process of growing up and better understanding what you want out of life. Because it's clearly different when it's women dating older, more mature and refined versions of the men they liked when younger, and when it's a complete and unrealistic night and day difference. Do I think it's plausible that's the 30 year old woman who spent her 20s dating and fucking tall…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 08:33 AM
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I don't know if you've ever been in a long-term relationships, but the healthy ones operate as a team You can't be a team if you are entering it on false pretenses. Which is what the women are doing when pretending to be attracted to men they'd never have looked at when they were in their "sleep with men I'm attracted to" phase
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 08:27 AM
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The beta buxx is the guy who will be a good husband and father but not the guy she would fuck without the promise of commitment & marriage. She should forgo him completely then, he shouldn't accept being a fucking consolation prize for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 08:25 AM
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Get a job that pays enough? It's the same problem men have to deal with. Why is having to deal with it the same way unfair?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 08:25 AM
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The point is being inexperienced rules you out for both. It's marking you out as unable to satisfy her for a one night stand, and having to wait for a long time to learn in a relationship. Far easier and preferable for the woman to go for someone experienced and not have to worry about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 06:13 PM
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None of that enters the thinking of anybody dating or fucking, come on now
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:43 PM
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How so? Women go on dates with men they end up in relationships with. If asked what those relationships were like, they say they were horrible to be in. Why were they in those relationships? Because they enjoyed the dates so much. Good at dating and good at relationships mmm yay therefore be separate things
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 03:29 PM
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Nothing that I can see in the ops spots I can see implies that. From what I'm reading he's using dates in the sense of being repeatedly bad at It, serially and in a way that impairs relationships from forming on the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 02:37 PM
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You say people are bad at dates because of a lack of effort in relationships but dates precede relationships. Why mention that at all unless you are linking effort in relationships to.effort in dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 02:31 PM
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Most people are shit daters because they don't put effort into relationships? Why would how they are in relationships effect how good or bad they are at dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 02:30 PM
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She mentioned dates. As in with people you aren't in relationships with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 02:12 PM
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Yeah I basically got called a chump sucker beta cuck because I said I like to do small things for my wife to make her day better Wife. Not random woman you don't know from Adam. Your wife. Obviously that's not the same. Would you seriously treat a random woman you just met like your wife, just to enter into her thought as someone she might want to go on a date with, someday, when maybe she's lonely?!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:32 AM
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So let me get this straight, you won’t show up for a woman unless she’s over the top into you right away, but then you complain that women get excited about hot guys? I don't expect her to, but there'll be a man who comes along who she will be over the top into right away, in which case she clearly is into him way more than me. And as you mention she's done that in the past so it will happen again. That’s not some deep take on attraction, that’s just bruised ego dressed up as logic Because I sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 07:55 PM
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But that only is something people will do.if they know you care about them, that's never going to be what happens up front. What happens up front is do you find them attractive. That's where the enthusiasm and ease comes in. Women are so enthusiastic about the attractive men they have flings with you can't miss it. Am I really going to "show up" for a woman when it's taken months or years for her to think of me as someone likes when all it takes is an attractive man to appear for her to actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 07:27 PM
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Long term relationships come with bigger risks, you’re not just risking some weekend ego bruise, you’re risking real emotional fallout. Id believe that if the men women choose for this weren't chosen because of the lack of risk he presents to her. And how women will still reminisce about the great qualities of the men they had a fling with whereas all she can muster about relationship guy is that "he's there" or " he's so forgiving". And no, just because she’s not driving the Ferrari anymore doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 06:22 PM
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But you state it clearly here: Flings are fun, risky, and usually short-lived, that’s the whole point. Is the relationship man risky? No. And people being people, will take more on more risk to get something they desire. The more more.they desire, the more risk they are willing to take on. Trying to measure your relationship against someone’s past fling is like comparing your daily commute car to a rented Ferrari they drove once in college. And yeah you'll have enjoyed driving the Ferrari, loved…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 05:55 PM
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No, I think if someone is mean to me and I accept it, then I'm pathetic. Then I see the narrative is that if it's a woman, I should instead celebrate it, which to me is bullshit. However, given that that is an idea with common understanding, it's something I should be vigilant against. Hence the refusal to give women any benefit of the doubt because unlike with men, I apparently can't call them out on their bullshit without having to deal with the consequences of automatically being the guilty p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:11 PM
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And if you aren't a unicorn, how does a man compensate for such a glaring and unforgivable defect?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 03:54 PM
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Of course not, the point is if she's excited or not. She could have slept around on night 1 with a load of men, she could not have. All you know is that she's not enthusiastic and not excited. Run. Chances are if she has though, she's definitely not excited to be with you if you aren't like the men she slept with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 03:45 PM
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Speaking from my point of view, because women when they are younger, more free and enthusiastic and less demanding want attractive boyfriends. That gives you space to grow and improve and explore. Husband? Forget all that. No changing, otherwise you've decieved her. No fun, becusse you arent there to be exciting and have fun, you are there to fund her life, and facilitate her desires. What you want is now irrelevant, you have to die (metaphorically) as a man to be a husband. So when a woman who'…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 03:06 PM
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Case in point. You are talking about the food, and the experiences. Not the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:32 PM
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Yeah, and you think it's wrong right? So why should men stand for it, if you don't think women should? And Im not saying women should, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:31 PM
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That's why you try and gauge if she's enthusiastic at all. And you can tell pretty easily that women aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:30 PM
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A fling is something short term, more difficult to engage in, and comes with emotional risk. Its should be something women wouldn't engage in, regardless of situation. The reason flings are with attractive men is because those men are valuable to women. That's enough to make the downsides worth it. If those are the men women find more valuable, more worth the risk, it stands to reason those are the men women actually desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:28 PM
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You haven't done an inexplicable 180 degree reversal and chalked it up to being an immature child (despite being an adult), or that it "just happened" though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:10 PM
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do you think those women would have accepted low effort dates from chad, Yes, because for women dates have to be exciting. If you're ugly, that involves a highly specific experience curated for the woman. If the man is attractive, the thing that makes it exciting is... the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:08 PM
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Because you can only deal with the reality. All you can say for certain is that she wants to settle and then she finds that man. But doesn't show any of the desire for him that she did for men before she had to settle. Therefore she doesn't desire him. It's an easy to perform is/is not assesment. Is she willing to meet him one on one because she's excited by spending time with him as a person or only because he's proving some sort of exclusive or expensive experience. Etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:03 PM
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Hey, that's fine if women aren't attracted to me like that but where this idea that you insist on enforcing coming from? Of course I'm not going to be desired by women. But in that case why do I owe women treatment as if they did desire me? What wrong with meeting disdain with disdain, why is that only acceptable women to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:00 PM
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So what's the problem with stating it out loud and encouraging men who would be in that position to avoid it, and allowing men who are in that position to end it? Such men are better knowing and acting accordingly. They will never get used, and women with have only men they find attractive to interact with. It's a win win.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 01:02 PM
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And if he hasn't been with any? Or it had been literal years without so much as a date? No chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 01:01 PM
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Yes because being a man I really enjoy the idea of exploiting a power imbalance or a woman's personal weakness to have sex, a completely human experience. I guess having to resort to that makes me a monster and I don't want to be a monster. Mutual excitement would be grand, but I guess that's just something women are deserving of. Sez who? You have people literally shitting on “fattie” women on the looks thread. You think a Chad who decides to hit up a five treats her well? Nope. And yet shell e…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 01:00 PM
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But women experience that desire and passion. And then men are supposed to believe that they see normal men the same way? That's ludicrous. And not only a disservice to the men, but also to women. I certainly wouldn't be happy that a woman was only with me after she's been sleeping around for fun and then when she stopped saw me. Clearly I'm not fun, or sexy, or desirable to her, she wouldn't have even given me the time of day when she did have passion and desire and wasn't looking for a man jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 12:49 PM
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I agree, but that means if you haven't had success, that imagining that you will is wrong. If that man was older than 25, even his looks wouldn't stop women from being a bit hesitant and if he wasn't good looking women would never be genuinely interested. And he'd be vulnerable to believing women when they say they are, even though that would be completely implausible
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 12:19 PM
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The difference is that enthusiastic experience is something the woman has experienced and taken part in. The man she's with in this situation hasnt, and with her never ever will. She's lived in technicolour and surround sound. She gives him a poorly tuned radio with a monochrome slide show, and demands he is everlastingly thankful for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 11:50 AM
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Literally all you've done is state and explain why women are attracted to good looking men and how you can tell it. They understand that you not being able to fly them out isn't the same thing since you couldn't fly out anyone. In contrast, she has gone and treated the men she's attracted to in the exact way you describe. It's just a foolproof way to tell that's she's not into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 11:47 AM
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So the men who are inexperienced are not going to be good at it, and the Popular men have a higher chance of being good because they are so practised at it. So obviously women want promiscuous men. Obviously they want to avoid inexperienced men. Women saying otherwise sets off all sorts of alarm bells
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 11:43 AM
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Additionally, when something is easy for women like sexual access, it’s devalued. But when men do it, it’s considered rare and impressive. That’s not logic. That’s the same value system at work, one that punishes women for ease that only exists because of men’s own lack of selectivity. But when men become selective and say they wouldn't sleep with a woman for a reason women dins objective, it's apparently something judgemental. So what happens? Men reward themselves for “conquering” the bodies o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 06:45 AM
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Who wants to be the idiot who thinks the other person cares, but it turns out they don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 06:20 AM
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I'm talking about the double standard. Men do it, they are Peter Pan wannabes, immature morons who are all hedonistic and refusing to give up. Women? Empowered, fulfilled, mature know what they want and willing to get it no matter what they leave in their wake. There is no difference between the two, so if one is shit on for it, so should the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 02:12 PM
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Nah, just in the immortal words of Jamie Vardy, "Chat shit, get banged". Don't expect to chat shit if you aren't ready to get banged.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 02:00 PM
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"Why should I have to work myself half to death to maybe get a girlfriend in a decade when she can just fuck a bunch of hot guys with 0 effort" - guys aged 18-21 Because an 18 year old woman deciding that she'll go and gorge herself on a hot guy buffet for at least 15 years before deciding to think about a serious boyfriend is being oh so mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:18 PM
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It'd be news to me, I don't think those women would have ever got to a point where no attractive man would be interested in them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:41 AM
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Not really, I'd say the way women react to both is the same. Therefore they are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:33 AM
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Money is not the only thing that people can't settle for, it's just the one thats talked about the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 08:20 PM
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So acknowledging what women say which is that they don't find most men attractive is me fighting made up ghosts?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:13 PM
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I’m not saying it’s right, but I would say most women (who were promiscuous) lie about their promiscuous pasts to varying degrees, atleast by omission, so much that it’s become somewhat ubiquitous in male culture and we’ve developed ways to discern when a girl is doing it, but if she’s really good you won’t know. Look the point about needing to know this is to figure out if she's talking to you because sre actually is attracted to you, or because shes no longer able to attract the men she wants …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 09:48 AM
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Maybe she became religious, maybe she developed newfound respect for herself, could be any number of things So she lies? Great start. Really building a solid foundation of truth and honesty here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 09:26 AM
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That's surprising to me, I would say I would find at least half of women I and around my age attractive. There's no way any woman would say the same for men. There’s traveling to different cities states countries and social media. The idea that women are different in different places is some of the most delusional cope I've ever come across. Women in Mumbai, or Jakarta, or Rangoon want the same things and are attracted to the same characteristics as the women in London or New York. Passport bros…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 09:25 AM
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I mean, if that's the case why does she need to.hide the truth about herself?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 09:08 AM
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but that he might not be the absolute best she ever had but the second best - and still is amazing in bed. She'll still want the best, no relationship will stop that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 08:50 AM
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I mean, if he's not as good or as big, yeah? Women do all sorts of stupid and risky and dangerous shit for good sex. Why would that ever change?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 08:46 AM
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Where did I say that? Quote me. It's about the enthusiasm. Hot guy, the reward is the time spent with him and she's excited about it. Ugly man, it's all a fucking chore she's rather avoid, but well, it's come to this. She'll go, but shell keep her distance, don't want him getting ideas. She'll go, but be guarded to see what his game is. She'll go, but he'd better be making it worth her time, right now she's not got a better option to avoid this. These litany of caveats and requirements she has f…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 08:42 AM
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That is the same thing, how else do people judge the general attractiveness of the general population if not by going through their day to day lives? It's not like women have their day to day lives, and then step into a world exclusively populated by hot men so they can think "*oh, loads of men are attractive, just like here! Out there doesn't, doesn't count obviously" Oh wait. That's exactly what it is isn't it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 08:36 AM
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That's because you are supposed to suspend your belief watching those films. It's not different to watching a Bollywood film where the lead actor is some portly short twat whose able to simultaneously do a dance number and perform the same feats as the incredible hulk
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 08:29 AM
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Who is bad lmao, this is such a basic and normal thing to happen- friends fall for each other all the time, and that usually leads to some of the most normal and healthy relationships Why are women generally only describing this happening for them when they've got to the ages to 30 to 35. It's not like they only have female friends until then.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 07:30 PM
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Yes, suspiciously so. An honest person would realise they weren't attracted to them to begin with and therefore any change in feeling is on them. Either because they themselves have changed or the situation is different whatever. None of that makes what they perceived as a change in attraction real. And they should be true to their initial, clear and honest judgement of that person to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 07:18 PM
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So the only reason he can get away with it is that you are as bad as him then.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 04:04 PM
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Attraction isn't a conscious thing, it can't be negotiated, and it's not changeable. People find people attractive immediately because it's the first time they've met them. Knowing someone for a while and then saying you find them attractive means somyhings changed. In which case it's not attraction it's situational. The alternative is worse, that women somehow can choose to turn it on. And it's that's the case, the can choose up tygn it off. Which means you can't trust attraction. So everything…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 04:02 PM
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That sounds awfully convenient. "I wasn't attracted to him until I was, all upstanding and proper here. No messy or murky events or motives, no sir"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 03:49 PM
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I guess men cannot relate to the distinction between recognizing someone is physically attractive and actually being attracted to that person. It's not that. You are saying that you got to know him and then you felt attraction to him. Reverse the genders and you are describing a situation women think is creepy and malevolent. Men simply can't do what you did, because that means he's only interested in the women because she was there. And that is evidently something women find abhorrent. If that'…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 03:15 PM
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Because they feel like that they have to. Given they choice to do so without consequences they'd do it again. That's what women who settle do. A man they do actually find attractive comes along, they see they can have they fun and fulfillment without consequences because the man they settled for is an idiot and what do you know? They're off with them, having the sex they "grew out of" having feelings " they matured beyond". At that point the lie that their desires changed because "maturing" is r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:36 PM
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The opposite being?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:25 PM
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Why does it stop being valuable though? You still haven't given a reason. What you are saying is like claiming "cars move because cars move". There's no explanation there. If women when they were younger and able to decided out of their own free will to pursue parties, getting drunk, passing out, doing drugs, that they did so because it's what they want to do. Maybe that's where the hot men are. That's still going to be true now though. The risks and the downsides have not changed. Their proximi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:25 PM
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For whom is the woman liking you a compromise? The man being liked or the woman liking him, who is compromising? Both are. It's not a good compromise to make, it's a betrayal of yourself. What man is going to be able to look at his girlfriend, think "you're only here because you failed to get what you really wanted" and not hate himself for essentially agreeing to that? Nowhere in any of these comments was it suggested that the woman being married to a man who isn't the best she's ever had sex w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:20 PM
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How is that not what's happening? Wasn't good enough before, why's that changed now? What's the reason? And no, maturing isn't a reason that's a process. Something had to put that into motion. Was it a good reason or a bad one? If there's no reason, as women like to claim. Then it's haggling, pure and simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:07 PM
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That's fine, you liked being friends with them, doesn't mean they suddenly inhabit a different corporeal form. If one of my friends said they'd like to go on a date with me, I'd never be stupid or arrogant enough to think they'd found me attractive, I'd think something very badly wrong has happened to them. It's a cry for help you respond to as a friend, not an opportunity for a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:05 PM
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Because its never going to be enough to compensate for that lack of physical attraction. That's just how it is and trying to defeat that is futile.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:02 PM
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Women date and marry men all the time they aren’t physically crazy about alas That's a disservice to both parties then. As for the rest: Money Women make their own, if that's a reason either its a lie or she's not worth it. stability Women aren't attracted to that, it's not emotionally or sexually stimulating. social status, How do you gain social status by partnering with a ugly man? commitment, marriage potential Women never worried about that when they entered the dating and sexual buffet the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:01 PM
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Emotional reciprocity from someone who is emotionally mature enough to be able to see is as both equals and human beings and sexual beings at the same time. Emotional reciprocity but not sexual or romantic though, right. He thinks he's getting both those things, but for the women, he doesn't hit that spot, and luckily he's foolish enough to believe he does. Leaving the road open for the women to go and commit and explore and embrace her sexual and romantic self with the attractive men she's alwa…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 01:54 PM
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What is being described isn't maturing, it's haggling on a market stall. "Oh, £3.50 too much? Best I can do is £3 sir, special offer just for you"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 01:47 PM
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considering how much men complain here about how hard it is to find a woman, it can't possible be that men all get their ideal perfect woman? Everyone settles in some way, I don't see why that is such a terrible thing The woman actually liking you is a hell of a compromise to make. You'd never demand it of women. You shouldn't demand it of men. Or if you've dated more idk curvy or feminine women before and your current partner isn't that, is she supposed to crumble because you "settled" in that …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 01:44 PM
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If he wasn't initially your type, what possible reason could you have had for dating him? Simply being there? That's not romantic, that's fucking depressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 01:38 PM
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but frankly the idea that women think 80 percent of men are unattractive is asinine to even entertain and I don’t think I have a single female friend or past lover who would agree with that sentiment, if we’re talking anecdotes It can't be true that women are attracted to a wide variety of men but they are extremely discerning about who they find attractive. Women state they are picky about who they find attractive. By definition that means they find most men to be ugly. Ask a woman on a day to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 01:34 PM
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Part of being an adult is realising your culpability for fuckups, and women are in their own minds never liable for those. I find it hard to see where in a world of women you externalise fault onto men for everything, and walk round claiming they are "20 something or 30 something year old teenage girls" as a form of shield for doing stupid things how they are in any way mature. You'd never say a man acting in such a manner is mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 04:40 PM
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Women, on the other hand, are very clear on what they want. And won't settle for less than the best. Well then, "the best" can only mean the apex top few percent of men. So, straight from your words is an admission that women are only interested in a tiny minority of the very top men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 07:06 AM
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By the same token, women who delude themselves are also not victims, but willing participants who are fair game to judge on the basis of their choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 05:11 PM
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You're right, but I also notice you aren't disputing there there are men who women desire and the others who are only useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 05:08 PM
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This is a scenario which ends up with a ~5:1 female to male ratio
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:29 PM
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If you are a man that prioritize sex in a relationship and you are trying to get with women who prioritize emotional bonding, it isn't going to work. The point is whether you want to prioritse sex or emotional bonding is irrelevant if you never get a chance in the first place. Everything good and bad about you is irrelevant. Ultimately, you as a person is irrelevant. That the case for the men who don't have any interest from women. Women have their problems, but they aren't fucking irrelevant be…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 12:26 AM
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Is men wanting a woman who's genuinely attracted to him a shitty person? Why would this be frowned upon? Put it this way. If a person does not get opportunities to date, it's a fair conclusion that that person is pretty unforgivably ugly. That person will have a harder time than a person who is able to get dates. That at least means they are attractive. The second person then gets to show the other aspects of their humanity, their interests, skills and personality. The first person never does. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 12:07 AM
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Let's not change the subject here, you clearly made that point that in your opinion, all women who men can go on dates with are implicitly great, unlike what women have to deal with in men. Which is horseshit. And now with this: Keep in mind though that birds of the same feathers flock together and shitty men goes along well with equally shitty women. I guess in your opinion that means that because women don't always get dates with perfect men, they're shitty people. And if all women experience …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 11:55 PM
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and then my rebound ghosted me But you could have a rebound. That was an easy thing for you to obtain. That's the point, that's the soft landing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 11:50 PM
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But interest precedes dating. You can date someone who has not interest in you. And you have and easier time getting sex on your terms to back up that you are a desirable person, you don't have a gaping void of nothingness where the knowledge that you are attracted would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 11:47 PM
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Swamp vs desert. Water may be everywhere but finding clean water is a struggle. There is no water in the desert but if you do find it it's an oasis and clean enough to drink from it. You are making an assumption that all oases have drinkable water. Not so if the water is stagnant, highly salty, polluted by dead carcasses etc. Similarly not all women are wonderful, much as that may shock you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 11:41 PM
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You can be confident in your abilities and secure in yourself, which will make you attractive. This is delusional. You can absolutely have confidence in your abilities and so on, but that does nothing for your looks
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 12:45 PM
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Why would you want us to celebrate that? I have no issue with men who aren’t conventionally attractive. Because it makes women's lives better? I'm sure you dont have an issue with ugly men per se, but you'd want to live in a world where ugly men know nothing will ever happen with you and stay away. Wouldn't that be better for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 12:13 AM
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Yeah I doubt it's as bad as the most extreme examples, but surely if it means ugly men stay away from women women should celebrate it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 09:02 PM
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And the world gets colder and colder errday Not for the women though, why wouldn't they love this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 07:09 PM
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I don't know why women have a problem with men not approaching them though? The way it shakes out it's the unattractive men that leave the attractive men for the woman to have their fun with. Women win, what's the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 07:08 PM
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Asking men why they can provide or how they can benefit the woman is an expected and accepted question a woman can ask of a man, and it will put men on the defensive. Why the double standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 07:05 PM
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I don’t want to talk to someone who puts me on the defensive. But yo6ur fine to put them on the defensive?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 06:55 PM
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Yes because a woman's role is to be a feckless dependant
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 05:52 PM
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It makes you a bad partner who only desires a woman for use he can get out of her. Women seem to think it's fine for them to do it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 04:42 PM
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cheaters/married men Somehow lonely, how the fuck does that work?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 04:37 PM
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Men can just as easily say: "But my own flaws do not make women only wanting bodybuilder esque physiques, lack circumspection in who they're attracted to, or excuse rampant casual dismissal of how much choice and power they have." And you would say of that man that none of that is relevant and that his failures in dating are solely down to his faults, and that he's only seeing shitty women because he himself is shitty. I put it to you if you are only seeing shitty men, then you yourself are shit…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 04:14 PM
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Not really inviting the comparison, no. I would be if I was saying I preferred to date women over men. As someone who dated men, I didn't like how their attraction worked. That is it. The fact that men are people with flaws is not the straw that broke the camels backs. Thats just the icing on top that makes romantic relationships unappealing given the other negatives already mentioned But you're the other side of this conundrum. All the problems you find in men, what if they're problems men find…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:31 AM
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I wasn't making a comparison to women; I was stating I don't like male attraction to women. That's it. I don't turned on by body parts in isolation. Someone getting turned on by my specific body parts feels objectifying. Something can be selfish and not objectifying. You are inviting the comparison. Men's attraction is objectifying. That implies that women's attraction isn't. Again with the whataboutism. Where in my comment did I say anything about romantic relationships being worth it with wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:45 AM
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Women are criticised about not wanting to have the pickiness, entitlement and unreasonable expectations they have on men fired back at them. That's not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:39 AM
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Yeah, messaging someone you don't find desirable is a bad thing. That includes, and I stress this, when women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:33 AM
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I also don't like how men are attracted to women (ie getting turned on by specific body parts), as it feels inherently objectifying, no matter how nice he acts. I'm curious, how exactly is how women are attracted to men any better? Both are selfishly driven desires. Moreover, romantic relationships take communication, compromise, and a lot of time. Every dude comes with his own issues, family, debt, flaws, etc. So, it takes a lot of effort for somewhat mediocre at best benefit Same for women, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:10 AM
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Nothings unreasonable. But stick to them, if you've priced yourself out, you are going to have to live with that, none of this shit "I matured, I changed my mind, I'm looking for different things" bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 08:47 AM
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The number of women who posses and frequently use a vibrator, or have parasoxial relationships with their online object of desire outnumber the men with the equivalent sexual tool and online fascination with famous women. But yeah it's men who are going to fall for AI girlfriends and not women falling for AI boyfriends, no siree.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 08:45 AM
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Clearly, since you haven't bothered to respond to the content of my comment. I'll put it this way. How many women say they hate dating apps because they go on, an the men they see are ugly, short, undesirable and therefore that the app isn't worth the effort bail? Loads. And that's fair enough. Why is men making the same decision following the same reasoning somehow wrong then?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 08:39 AM
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Because if those men aren't inherently attractive, then they are required to put an exponential level of effort to become economically attractive to women. Effort isn't a inexhaustible resource, to do this requires taking it away from pursuits, hobbies and passions men do enjoy and get personal value, satisfaction and achievement from and putting its towards a pursuit that pays more to fund activities, asthetics and a lifestyle that the men don't really understand or give a shit about. And all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 08:14 AM
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So aside from women liking it in your opinion, why is it the right thing to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 12:24 PM
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Your point was that women love it when men do it, so men should do it. But I don't see why, women liking that men do it doesn't make it the right things to do, nor should it have any influence on whether it's right to do. Women liking something isn't a justification for it being the right thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 12:20 PM
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In a healthy relationship crying and emotions are basic, we all love that! Women may love the feeling of protection they get from being with a man who could easily beat people up. It doesn't make beating people up a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 12:15 PM
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I believe porn has further worsened the current dating crisis we have going on. Having young boys and teenagers first experiences with relationship be through not actual relationships, but through porn can have massive problems when they have their first opportunity to be in a actual relationship (even if they are aware real women and relationships aren't like porn). How is that the case? Surely if the boys and men are able to get into relationships when they want if wouldn't be a problem, they …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 06:33 PM
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All those women showing fantastic decision making abilities there /s "Something something, he lied and gaslighted me!"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 09:54 AM
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And I’m not sure any man would be happy knowing the woman he is with “lowered her standards” (settled) for him Certainly not any with even the smallest modicum of self respect
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 03:36 PM
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That's fair. And women being honest with what and whom they desire don't become more forgiving, they become more stringent. The opposite would be because of desperation and women don't ever get desperate for men. That's why women lowering standards is a bad sign, it's always a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 03:34 PM
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You're poisoning the premise by assuming that if she's alone with the man,the man must be trying to rape or murder her. Your argument is dependent on this assumption. Obviously if you ask someone would they rather be alone in the woods with a distant bear or next to horny, armed Jeffrey Dahlmer, you'd not pick the man. That's essentially what you are saying by implication, because you aren't saying the man in question is as dangerous as you can expect any random man could be, no, he's a slam dun…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 12:20 PM
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How frequently do people encounter bears on a daily basis, and for how long? And how does that compare to how frequently they encounter men and for how long? Once you normalise for that i fail to see how anyone can think bears are safer. Even if you were a woman who lived with only women, drove to work with only women, had food delivered by only women and worked with only women, with the sole exception of one hour long work meeting per week which apart from one man was only women, you'd still ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 12:08 PM
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Bears are also stronger, faster, heavier and larger than women though. Your argument is pointless
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 11:43 AM
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Well exactly, so why is there this narrative going round about being kind and all that bullshit being enough for a woman to want to be with a man when he isnt attractive to her. That's barely half the story. Isn't it better to make people realise you need it all, and that anyone saying that she's likes a man despite him being unattractive is just being wrong? Like if you know you are an unattractive man, you can at least take the women talking to you and stuff as what it is at face value and not…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 04:55 PM
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Why would you want women to have to “put up with” your inability to be kind Why would you want women to have to put up with your lack of attractiveness for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:52 PM
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Nah, I think they are happy because they are never truly alone or devoid of dates, sex or relationships. It's merely a lull relative to their normal experience which they are only perceiving as "being alone"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:56 AM
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To be fair, if you don't have any past to speak of it weirds people out to such a massive degree that it's acceptable to despise people for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:52 AM
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That wasn't me somehow retroactivelyintentionally choosing poorly originally. There's no "cHaNgInG yOuR mInD tO cHoOsE bEtTeR bEcAuSe I wAnTeD tO dO bEtTeR," it requires a deliberate bad-faith reading of what I wrote to twist it into what you want to claim it said. You don't "change your mind to do better," you always wanted to do well. You're psychotically portraying making a mistake or a relationship not working out or ultimately being a bad fit for whatever reason as an intentional decision t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 06:19 PM
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You have, in your post stated quite clearly that in anonymous surveys (where women can be honest without fear) that they prefer bigger. That's the beginning and the end of the issue then. Why the need to try and find a way to make it seem like what women say they prefer when under no pressure to lie, isn't what they say they prefer?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 01:10 PM
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Who's "you?" Quote me You in the third person, the context of the whole sentence makes that quite clear, but I suppose I shall have to use the other third person pronoun. Wanting to do better, obviously. Why does anyone do differently after what they did before didn't work out?? This isn't fucking rocket science. This is exactly what I mean by magical reasoning. It's completely circular. "I changed my mind to choose better because I wanted to do better". Well clearly, but one would have said tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 09:05 AM
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Do you expect women to be psychic? Or do you expect us to be perfect? No, but you do claim to be so, so it's only right that you are judged against your self proclaimed standards. You can't choose better without having chosen worse before. What is the reason that changed though? Nothing changes without reason and yet women like yourself swear blind that the change just magically happens. That just doesn't make sense, and it puts doubt into everything you say. It's as if some man claims he's a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:50 AM
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The perspective on older women here is honestly really disappointing. Is it? Because: all of a sudden they’re inundated with only negative trait you find older woman worn down, incapable of pure love, and consolation prizes for men who can’t get their younger first choice is just how women describe men, in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:44 AM
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How exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 05:34 PM
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Why? I see no reason to. Accepting being settled for is accepting you are not worth the same regardless as a human being. Why would anyone be happy and eternally grateful for that? It's the equivalent of being made to beg, prostrate and humiliated yourself, and then being thrown scraps, and then being made to be thankful for it. It's the behaviour of people who feel above the others and only accepted by those who feel less than. I suppose it's clear where you see yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 01:31 PM
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Attraction is not negotiable, nor is it a choice. You can be attracted to someone who isn't the most attractive person or withing the top whatever percent. What you are describing is someone negotiating their way into your consideration, and then you making a choice to view it favourably. That's not attraction, even if you've convinced yourself it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 10:35 AM
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I'm baffled. You are for telling women they don't have infinite optionality? Lucky you are a woman then.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 03:20 PM
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So you laboured for years, after you got married to get to that point? How is that not sad?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 06:26 AM
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That's because you are viewing yourself as the perfect, desired person in this story. Be honest. Your husband says to you that when you first met he considered you ugly, even hideous. But through the persistence of your presence, he's come to terms with your appearance and only recently has come to feel I skiver of attraction. Are you jumping for joy?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 08:12 PM
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And eventually most of them managed to enjoy sex with the lights on just as much as with the lights offs. I don't know how you are able to see this as anything but utterly tragic
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 10:01 PM
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How else do you want me to explain it. I can’t explain WHY someone is attracted to someone else. That's exactly the problem. When you ask women, they say its an ineffable reason. So there's no justification required. But the other way round? Well thats a constant sisiphean effort when you must prove and reprove why and how you feel. It's therefore reasonable to conclude that to women, love and attraction is proof. So of you ask for it in return and are told it doesn't matter, what else are you s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:31 PM
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They have similar values. They actually find you physically attractive even if you don’t fit what is considered “conventionally” attractive. Because the universe is random and weird. The sexual chemistry is off the charts. But why is that? So far that's an assertion with no explanation. Sure, maybe if you (again, royal you) aren’t conventionally attractive you won’t have people THROWING themselves as you or whatever. But that doesn’t mean anyone who DOES want you is 100% settling and is going to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:03 PM
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What would be the thought processes then? Go through them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 08:51 PM
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No I'm saying don't bother, it shouldn't be impressive in which case you wouldn't mention it. That fact you would means you have an insultingly low view of me, in which case I'd wonder what the hell you were doing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 08:43 PM
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But you can absolutely get cleaner or stronger. You can dress in a way that flatters your body type. You can find a hairstyle (and possibly facial hair) that brings out your best facial features. You have heard of the phrase "lipstick on a pig" right? The point being that despite the lipstick, it's still a pig. Well that's essentially the case with this. You can dress up, do your hair and try and obfuscate the fact of your face, but it changes nothing about your looks. You are still a pig. You c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 08:41 PM
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And if the man were to then keep going out with a woman who said that she likes his basic functioning, he'd be the pathetic idiot. Seriously, why this demand of men to be happy about being damned with faint praise? Like it's an insult, if women were to be insulted, then she'd be right to get the fuck out of there. Why speak as though men should be thankful for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 08:26 PM
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If you take care of yourself, you feel better, you present more confidently. That's a bold assumption. women only want me when they want to ‘settle’”. That’s not “treating women with respect”, that’s looking at us like prizes to obtain, not humans. How is it disrespectful to women to state a fact about a man? (In this case being so unappealing that he could only ever expect to have the interest of a woman who's given up on bagging a man she finds attractive). What would be disrespectful to that …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 08:23 PM
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really what she’s saying is to match the effort most women are already putting in on our appearance. But that is a crazy amount of effort, and for what? Am I cleaner? No. Am I taller? No. Am I stronger? No. Am I smarter? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 08:10 PM
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The men here complain about their lack of success in attracting women, OP gave some suggestions (and they’re extremely basic things such as good hygiene, If a woman said a thing she found attractive about me is that I shower, I think I'd throw up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 08:08 PM
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None of those things are how friends treat each other You can't bring yourself to sit next to your friend? Wild. Especially in the context of being college students and NOT family. I’m also not a toddler. Because you've listed things which can be described as physically affectionate, and I grant you nobody who isnt a family member shows affection, but I don't think that means someone being physically affection means they are attracted to them. I mean women do it amongst their friends all the tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 03:43 PM
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That's just weird, like I care about the ambitions of my sister but it doesn't affect how I see her as my sister. It would be the same with a partner. But you bet if I lost my job I'd be critically diminished in the eyes of my family and any women I'd be with. You aren't being more appreciated for it, but aren't being damned by it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 10:49 AM
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Ok well all.that stuff seems like they are comfortable in your presence but that doesn't mean it's a sign of attraction in any way. They're all necessary but insufficient conditions and therefore concluding that there's attraction is incorrect. always right next to them, sitting next to them Friend or sister/cousin is a more viable explanation for that. playing with their hair, threading my arm through theirs, leaning my head against his shoulder, Seems like what a sister or cousin would do (or …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 10:12 AM
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Ok, what are they then?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 09:59 PM
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Sorry? Where's the insult? All I said is that women's indicators of interest are usually perfectly explained as those women just doing something they want to do for their own reasons and their own benefit. For example who in their right mind is going to understand a woman talking to them as a sign of interest when it's just they had a question that needed answering and you just happened to be there to be asked it. Fucking hell I didn't realise I could only say things women dictate I should
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 09:51 PM
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Women. Jesus I do talk to women, and have women as friends you know. I didnt realise that in your opinion the only possible way for men to interact with women is an attempt to sleep with them. But they will all freely state that what gets them to notice all those qualities in a man, good and bad is their attraction to that man. And then they say oh he's interesting/funny etc or bullying/stern etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 09:47 PM
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If I’m throwing IOIs to a man and he does nothing And those are... what exactly? Doing your hair, beautifying yourself with your attire of makeup, scent? That's just something a woman does for her own satisfaction. Most of the stuff women mean when they say it falls under that same category, it's all explained away as something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 09:43 PM
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Women will say as much, and even if you don't ask them they are not subtle about it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 09:30 PM
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Things which are only relevant to women if you are attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 09:24 PM
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Or maybe she actually thinks you’d be an interesting/fun/different date. How could that possibly happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 09:13 PM
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In what way? It's just recognising that women excessive their agency to talk to men they find attractive. If you are having to go up to talk to her in the first place, she's not attracted to you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 09:12 PM
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This is just going round hoping a woman feels sorry for you enough that she decides to offer you some of her patronage. It's fucking demeaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 04:09 PM
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If you believe that, shouldn't you criticise the women who do precisely that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 06:58 AM
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I slept with people quickly because I was shamed for my sexuality and using it as I saw fit was empowering for me. And you'd do that with men you didn't find attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 06:57 AM
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That's fine, but you will judge men on that basis and that's just a hilarious double standard
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 06:55 AM
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Right, and women are so tolerant about their weight or looks being demeaned
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 06:30 PM
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So you'd choose to demean someone's race, height, looks, job, clothes etc. even those you dont think they are bad things? Why? Or do.you think they are bad and can't say so publicly?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 06:29 PM
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You wouldn't think of it as something insulting though if you didn't think it was a bad thing. I mean I suppose you wouldn't call out someone for being from a certain race to insult even if you think they're sensitive about it because you wouldn't see their race as an inherently bad and defective thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 02:35 PM
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Women who can't get a relationship by 30 are equally invisible. I know a few (extended friends circle) like that. Nobody's approaching them. Let's be real, they arent reviled for it though are they? It's not like they can be in a conversation with other people, but can be ostracised from it by having it revealed that they've never had a relationship or a fling or anything like it can for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:14 PM
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Once anyone (guy or girl) hits 30 though, it's a pretty big red flag if they've never been in a relationship before. Isn't that what he's saying? That as a man you are locked out permanently with no hope (women can get away with this).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:49 PM
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Because it's a literal part of you you can't change and is used to insult and demean you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:42 PM
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Calling a woman “fat” or “ugly” or “a bitch” have also been used as common insults… If you think a woman being fat, or ugly, or a bitch is a bad, horrible thing to be then you would use those descriptors as an insult. It's absurd for any one of them to be used to insult someone and then say "oh, I think being ugly is good actually". Such a statement would be dripping in insincerity. Women say men have small dicks as an insult. Therefore women believe men having small dicks is a bad, horrible thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:40 PM
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Now once you’ve found someone you like, who likes you The fact you can just assume this can happen speaks volumes. What if that's not going to happen, what then? Its one thing if you've never been in a relationship because you've missed out on chances, screwed it up in different ways, you were the one who wasn't keen - that implies you are attractive enough that you can make a relationship happen. What if infact the past 10 - 15 years has been a whole lot of fuck all. You've never missed a chanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 06:23 AM
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That's wishful thinking, and if they weren't happy with sharing him they wouldn't engage in the affair with him, instead demanding that he leaves his partner first.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 06:50 PM
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That's bollocks, women knowingly having flings with married men is by definition sharing him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:03 AM
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Highly advise men here to learn how to flirt, Every time I'm this is mentioned it turns out what is meant by this is basic human decency, which we should all have but for some reason people like you can't see why it's therefore fucking useless to determine or communicate attraction. Like a man's reaction to a woman "flirting" by being friendly and open in talking to him is going to be "shes friendly and nice to talk to" if he's a normal human being. If you think that's a woman flirting with him …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 09:45 AM
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But the majority was men constantly talking about women, how women are evil incarnate This is different from 4B how?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 09:31 AM
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Fuck no
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 05:25 AM
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that’s why “ugly hot” is a thing Fucking brilliant. Seriously, knowing I'm with someone who sees me as ugly is just affirming. It's not like I'm going to sit there and have " she thinks I'm fuck ugly, what the fuck went so wrong for her that she's choosing to be here" constantly playing through my head at all. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 05:24 AM
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When a man is vulnerable it makes you want to tear off his clothes. Nothing says sexy like a guy venting about his fears, insecurities, and making himself available for ridicule. That's hot. Imagine saying "a woman at her lowest point is something I find sexy. I get so aroused when she's sobbing her heart out, when she's desperate and alone. When she's terrified and empty and cold inside" You sound horrible. That a man at his lowest ebb, and raw and broken is what you find attractive? That's the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 08:52 AM
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The vast majority of women can get a sweet, caring, but unattractive man the day they decide they want him. There's no shortage of lonely, desperate men out there that would worship the ground a woman walks on in a relationship with them. That's true, but why is it so bad to tell those men that those women don't actually love him, and never will then? The right thing to do is to make sure they know this so women are denied this fall back option their sense of superiority demands they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 04:46 AM
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You can have your fill of the bad guys, then move onto someone who will take care of and cherish you. Why are you owed this? He isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 04:44 AM
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Yeah to be fair, any man who doesn't get asked by women what their dating situation should realise that's a big sign theyre ugly as fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 04:38 AM
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Humor and charm always get me and he doesn't lack those. This is when i noticed that he has a very soft plushy skin on his neck and chest. So you are immune to the Halo effect then, there's no possibility that you found him funny and charming because you were attracted to him?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 04:17 AM
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women today have easy access to what a lot of virgin men really think about them Oh, vice versa as well, that's why the whole "it doesn't matter" message isn't being uncritically believed
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 01:55 AM
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Are you falling in love with men you only just meet? Or the ones you've chosen to spend a lot of time with? Id say it's the men you spend a lot of time with? Why do you choose to spend time with them? Because they are attractive. You are saying "do they acknowledge love?", as a way to describe a connection with someone that goes beyond the superficial, as a way to describe women as not superficial. But you will only experience this with people you chose initially for superficial reasons. The poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 12:42 AM
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So why are women of perceiving a male point of view if they are so superior in critical thinking skills then? As far as I can see, if a man doesn't see things the same way a woman does, he doesn't get the context of he's coming at it from a different perspective. Oh no. He's just deformed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 08:01 PM
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Like when your mom tells you to just be yourself that's not instructions for how to get laid. Or when women say they just want a nice guy that's not instructions on how to turn a woman on sexually. So adding the context of it's only valid if you you are physically attractive is fine then. That women only ever care about such things for physically desirable men and of you aren't anything and everything you do is pointless, and if it seems otherwise you should be highly suspicious of it. That's th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 07:58 PM
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Context applies to everything discussed here not just justification for bad behaviors. How so? I don't think men are subject to contextual framing, this is why men don't reflect it back, there's no understanding of what you don't experience. Likewise, you clearly think context is fundamental because it's used to justify everything you do, so it stuck out like a sore thumb when someone comes along and doesn't give you that benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 07:33 PM
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If the only time you consider context is in order to win an argument that's abnormal. So women mentioning how whatever they do isn't actually bad because context is not what you describe here? What's the relevance of gender dynamics anyway? I bet if I asked you what justified women cheating you could come up with chapter and verse outlining contextual reasons why it was justified for women to do it. Same for women causing harm. Same for women deceiving and using people. So if that's the case, I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 07:19 PM
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the vast majority of the posts here are black and white thinkers arguing against people who think context matters Is there any relevant context that absolves men if they do things that hurt women? Of course not. Context is only ever a factor apparently when women do shitty things. Why would they exist for women and not men? The reason those men do not recognise the validity of context is because men are not entitled to it, and never benefit from it. Women are entitled to it and context is used t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 06:21 PM
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But age is an immutable character people use to judge you. Women moaning about men doing doesn't change the fact that they use it to judge men, and women would say they are perfectly at liberty to as well. Besides, there's also the concern that any older woman showing interest in you is only doing so out of pragmatism, not attraction. She's still going to be more attracted to a younger, more attractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:44 PM
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The backlash about older men dating younger women isn’t so much why is he single at X age but rather why they don’t want to date women their age? What reason would he have to choose an older woman over a younger one? It's not like an older woman will treat him better, find him more attractive, will be more loyal to him, etc etc. the idea that older women want older men if they could choose is delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:12 PM
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In reality, it's because he knows how to take her initial interest, spin it into sexual tension, create a fun atmosphere where sex is a mutally enjoyable activity free of judgment That goes only in one direction. Women reserve the right to exercise judgement on men in this regard. How is a man supposed to create a fun atmosphere when he known he has the sword of Damocles hanging over him at all times, ready to drop at the sign of any misstep.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 02:52 PM
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The issue with retroactive jealousy guy isnt that he isnt getting any...its that he didnt get it fast enough or she did things with another guy she didnt do with him. It's about what implies enthusiasm. He's worked out or been straight out informed that she isn't as enthusiastic about him as other men. She should be with a man she's enthusiastic about. So she shouldn't be with him, even if she's trying trick herself into thinking she is. That has nothing to do with attraction. Unless she's domin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 09:59 AM
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The man described as "Husband material".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 09:55 AM
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If I'm having a ONS, it's because I wanted to have sex that night and I'm going to hook up with the first person who passes a vibe check. They're attractive enough to have sex with, but not necessarily attractive or good enough to text back in the morning. Being a woman means sex is nothing then. It's just on tap. No wonder woman can never understand men in this. What you are describing is you having a desire for someone for something, and then because they pass a "vibe check" going through with…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 07:43 AM
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Because he's an idiot. Nobody is saying he should either
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 07:38 AM
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I'd he's a good man, you say he's a good man. Men say "he's a decent bloke" and because it's a description that's not massively over egged it's clear it's sincere. Calling a man "husband material" is glaringly over egging it so much it's clear it's insincere.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 10:38 PM
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Yes, but y'all seem to think women do it mostly. As a man, it matters to us if women do it, not if men do it. But we aren't arguing that it's good for men to do it either
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 10:24 PM
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Except they aren't one in the same. If people say these two thing are different about they are described in the same way, it's the same thing Most people want something different as they get older. Even men. For what reason? A good one, or a bad one? It's bananas to take "husband material" as an insult. It's just one more example of the men in this sub getting in their own way. Women aren't their issue, they themselves are the issue. It's an insult because it's a polite way to call men nice but …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 10:22 PM
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She's not enthusiastic to spend time with him or about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 10:20 PM
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It's bullshit, yes, but it's validated by what people are saying here about women needing something different when you get older etc etc. being able to see the danger in the arranged marriage argument and how similar it is to what women say they deserve from "husband material" men makes you realise it's all one and the same. They're both bullshit reasoning for a socially acceptable man you don't actually love.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 09:13 PM
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That's an insane way to look at things though. I think y'all need to learn the difference between fantasy and reality. You're just hurting your own feelings for no reason with this Is it? If that's what she likes that's what she likes. I will not accept any idea that I need to change myself into the archetype she will actually be happy with being firstly that's impossible and secondly I would never ask that of her. And before you say it's not realistic, I'm sure if you have had south Asian frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 09:09 PM
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Because social pressure to get married to people who are socially acceptable?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 09:01 PM
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Fucking dumb fucks who get arranged marriaged and only get shown people their parents or the wider community approve of. Idiots the lot of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 09:01 PM
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So you see it's wrong right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 08:51 PM
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Because she couldn't get the men she truly wanted and he's too stupid to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 08:51 PM
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I personally want to be wanted for my whole person. To be attracted to the whole person includes being attracted to them physically. Would you want to be the wife of a man who loves how you make his life better, but he doesn't find you attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 08:50 PM
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A lot of men do want to get married. To a woman who's actually attracted to him, not end up with one who only sees him as safe and secure
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 08:47 PM
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So you wouldn’t want to be with a woman who talks about you being their last choice, correct? Neither do women, yet you persist in defending men who describe their future wives like this. I'm not defending it at all. I gave it as an example of a shit thing to do. Men here are the ones saying that marriage is settling for them. They are the ones saying that the boring wifey is their last, unwanted resort, that marriage is them settling for someone they had no choice in, while their real true pass…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 08:28 PM
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Lucky him then. Women can't be meaning that when they say that about men they know but wouldn't date though right? That's being damned with faint praise. Imaging telling a woman "I really think you'd make a great wife, you really would make a man's life easy. Oh, attractive? No, you don't need to worry about that. No man is going to want you as a woman, but as a wife! Be happy!"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 07:39 PM
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Who is the one who defines the message……is it the sender or the receiver? If we are going to be fucking retarded, and say the receiver, then we will forever wallow in political correctness and cancel culture This is as braindead as Musk throwing out full bodied Sieg Heils and then claiming everyone else was wrong because he meant "from his heart".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 07:28 PM
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So they shoud only ever be with those men. Bailing out late on shouldn't be an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 07:21 PM
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I dont know where you guys get this thing that women are more attracted to guys that are just hookups, Men get that idea because if you were to look at which man she's excited to talk to, be with, closer to physically, enthusiastic about and feels urgency to he with, it would be the hook up guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 07:05 PM
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No man is going to hear that and think "she likes me"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 07:03 PM
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Oh, we do. That's why all this talk about "husband material" is being rebuffed. It's absurd that women expect men to believe that they are genuinely attracted to this. Women know women aren't. Men know women aren't. Why do women get so mad when men say to women, "we know you aren't attracted to this"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 06:53 PM
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Think about it this way: would you really want to be with a woman who openly told you she “desired most men”? Would you feel special and loved? Perfect description of a woman describing how her tell, hot, rich ex hurt her, but its ok you are there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 06:37 PM
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What's important is whether she thinks she had a chance with him, and well, she did get to sleep with him, so why wouldn't she? “I’m only with you because you’re the only one who would let me” is the exact opposite of the loving flattering sign of visceral attraction you think it is. Oh, so you do understand what "husband material" means and why its not at all flattering to men. It’s precisely a statement of settling. Settling for the only option you have means you didn’t actually prefer her— te…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 06:35 PM
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If I want to make somebody my husband it's because I'm crazy about him and want him above anyone else. So he's so good compared to the ONS guy that you have absolutely no excitement or urgency to spend time with him as opposed to the guy you want to have a ONS with? I have a bridge to sell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 06:31 PM
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If "husband material" traits were things women found genuinely attractive, women would be attracted to those things inherently, not only when they have passed a certain age, or career, or being harmed or other such arbitrary threshold. A trait that's only conditionally attractive is not a trait that you genuinely find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 06:29 PM
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I know men have this idea that social media showing us hot guys has rotted our brains, Not really, more that women routinely make this argument about men, and then claim that they themselves are invulnerable to the warping effect of social media. It's an inherent ridiculous argument being called out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 06:26 PM
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So clearly she's not attracted to the guy in the second group, isn't in both their interests just to leave? If she isn't motivated to trust him, doesn't that mean something? Because the other guy likely had sex with her, built trust in the bedroom, and then naturally expanded their sexual horizons by leading confidently in the bedroom, not by demanding something up front out of jealousy. See right there. Even in your description, it's a man she's attracted to immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 06:21 PM
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Would you stay in the life of a lovechild your partner brought home?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 10:10 PM
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For anyone with real character, it’s the right thing to do. Why? If a man brought home a lovechild, would you expect the woman to build emotional ties to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 10:08 PM
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But let's be real for a sec. If you completely cut ties to the child in this situation. You are a shit parent. You clearly didn't care about what you perceived to be your child. And I think that future partners should be aware of this. Could you love a child that your partner brought home one day? It's different for women, their husband/boyfriend bringing home a baby isn't suggesting that you are the mother, and he clearly cheated, but say he bought that baby home. It's mother is out of the pict…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 10:08 PM
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make an effort to impress her An effort that would be entirely in vain. If you are attractive, she'd like you anyway. If you aren't, she's not going to change her mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 02:48 PM
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From a comment below: 15%. Of all men. Ages 18 and over. That's ludicrous. Using the UK ONS data in mid 2022 there were 25,959,394 adult men in the United Kingdom (ages 18 and over). Assuming that a 25 year old woman only wants to date men between the ages of 22 and 30, that's a population of men that in the UK totals 3,876,953. What's 15% of the number of adult men in the UK? 3,893,909. That's pretty much the same number. So clearly using your estimation a 25 year old woman finds every single m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:54 PM
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None of those things are relevant to what I'm disputing with you, which is the proportion of men women find attractive. You are suggesting a proportion which to me seems way too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:23 PM
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I think your percentages are too high. I've never come across a woman who would find that many men attractive/physically attractive/sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:49 PM
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There is a weird middle ground (the 15% to 25%) that a lot of men COULD (some dudes just get lucky) realistically squeeze into. But most men won’t, obviously. I disagree. One because you've suggested that women are sexually attracted to more men than they are attracted to, which doesn't make sense because you would think sexual attraction is a subset of attraction. But secondly because I don't think any woman would find 15% of men attractive. Women aren't going out there saying they find 1 in 7 …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:29 PM
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Women will routinely say they recognise men being attractive, and confident and charismatic and intelligent... and not feeling an ounce of sexual interest in them
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:57 PM
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That's not what you said. What you said suggests that women on any given day when out and about will find 1 out of every 4 men they come across to be sexually attractive. That's not even plausible.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:55 PM
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Women find roundabouts 15% of men PHYSICALLY ATTRACTIVE. That's... generous. But women find roundabouts 25% of men SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE And this is comical. Women find a quarter of men sexually attractive? Fucking hell mate, what world are you living in?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:40 PM
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This framing of women maybe doing something wrong contrasts with men just being wrong. Why are women excused over choices they make but men are damned for things they have no power over?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:37 PM
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More men recognise the capability they have to abuse, even if they would never do it. Women consider themselves incapable of abusing others, meaning they never think about if what they do could cause harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 03:20 PM
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So why get mad about it. You're telling men who women don't want to pipe down or else women won't want them. The threat is meaningless
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 02:28 PM
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I’m talking about a guy who LIKES a woman, and the woman also likes him back. That's a terrible reason to like someone, if that's the only thing that she likes about him, he needs to run. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Complain about the casual guy all you want, but it sure looks like he's the one for women because women don't only like him because he likes her. She likes likes him for more than that, that's where her enthusiasm is. I don’t expect anything from men who think spending to…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:57 AM
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That's rubbish. You want a partner? Then you need to be able to trust both their words and their judgement. What does being "husband material" rely on? Lying to yourself and neglecting your judgement. a real husband-material man isn’t sitting there with a stopwatch, bitter that chad got sex on day 1 while he’s stuck having long boring ass conversations. he actually enjoys getting to know a woman he likes, spending time with her and connecting beyond just getting laid. But does she enjoy getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:39 AM
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But those things are bad for people in general, and through history and across society has been seen as bad. Unattractive men being lonely is not only normal, but expected?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 08:23 PM
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And those 40 -70 year old women will have to.live with it, they'll have been able to have their fun in their 20s, doesn't make it right that when it ends that they get to have a soft landing with men they never would have and still do not desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 03:08 PM
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It's equality of knowledge. If they want to share the attractive man, they will do so knowing full well they are nothing but an easily obtainable pleasurable distraction. There's no point to even out the numbers, it's something requiring tyranny to achieve. The men with no option will know in no uncertain terms they are undesirable, without the false hope they'll be less unsatisfied. And if women aren't happy with that, they know that's it's because they're too ugly to even be the attractive man…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 01:54 PM
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Yeah, thats why I think men who are kot highly attractive need to properly internalise it. To realise that I'd women talk to them is just women talking to them. And any notion they women are attracted to them is their self inflicted delusion, and if not is the women clutching at straws. Both cases mean she shouldn't be entertained.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 11:51 AM
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And hope for the rest. I wouldn't go as far as to say they want to be treated badly, but they are willing to take the risk for highly attractive men. And you contrast that with other men, who they interact with only with a blanket of suspicion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 11:24 AM
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No, they wouldn’t win. Because then women can see that average joes are also talking to someone else. Why would they compete for him if they can just compete for Chad? Women win because competition for attractive man beats competition for unattractive man, irrespective of the likelihood of winning the battle for one or the other. Those men win because they don't get dragged in an unsustainable situation requiring unsustainable input. They don't have to choose what's left either, the ideal situat…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 10:57 AM
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Nah, it's more when they say they got burned by someone etc etc. and you say "attractiveness has no bearing on whether the person you chose would treat you kindly or would use you, but let's honest here, you never cared about that. He was just hot, and if you were thinking about the other stuff you were at most hoping for it"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 10:52 AM
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It's not unclear. Women just don't like it when you say it out loud about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 10:14 AM
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Why is women having to trick themselves into liking someone seen as a good thing? We all know attraction is unconscious and instinctual, the idea of learning or training yourself to be attracted to other things is nonsensical.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 10:13 AM
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So everyone is now clear where they stand. Men can see women are in a world of dating abundance. Women can see who the popular men are, and can see if their downgrade option man is actually available, so avoid any unnecessary competition. Everyone wins.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 09:53 AM
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Hypothetically, say you did have a male friend that you developed attraction for, what would you do? Cut him out? I think a lot of men go through this, and at least for me because they're a friend I'd put effort into trying to kill the attraction rather than dump the friend. I mean it's not her fault what you feel, so you shouldn't tell them. But at the same time, cutting them out is not the way to go either, again because they're not at fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 07:55 AM
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the most salient of which is that the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her, but she then goes right out and messages them anyway. Well that's fine then. Lads, if a woman ever initiates anything, she's doing it whilst holding her nose, that's what you are to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 07:34 AM
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Yeah, now do that for wrongdoing and who's to blame for it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 07:27 AM
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But... why?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 07:14 AM
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In what way is it an honour? If they are coming to you to date an issue they need help with, why would you bask in a self induced glow of honour?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 09:34 PM
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