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"Affecting the emotional response of people will get you much farther than trying to affect a logical rationalization of the same thing."
/r/seduction08/03/13 11:27 PM
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Yeah, but this specific post of mine was made in jest. I suppose if I have to explain it is obviously from Office Space, then I put together a very badly written joke. But still -- I feel like this sub can use a little more lighthearted-ness
/r/seduction25/10/12 08:04 AM
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Ouch - that's a little rough, don't you think? Spite? Perhaps you should read it again, without such a knee-jerk reaction. And because I'm in such a good mood....
/r/seduction25/10/12 08:00 AM
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Exactly - that's the funny thing about it. Cartman presents an alpha figure, but is he the alpha of the group? The answer is yes....and no. It's a shifting social dynamic and raises the perspective of cooperative alpha personalities for shared group survival and cohesion.
/r/seduction21/10/12 03:16 AM
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Easy. Keep separate scales of value. Allow me to give an example. I was in a group even split up in different tables. At my table, I was one of two alpha. We were playing a drinking game, having a lot of fun. The other alpha was loud and aggressive in making people drink and controlling the action. But I had the last word. I was calm and authoritative in reversing decisions and making new rules for the game. We weren't in alpha competition -- we were in coordination. Then, a new guy came to our …
/r/seduction21/10/12 01:59 AM
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I do your "bad responses" all the time, and they work all the time. I understand where you're coming from. But didn't I say it sounds stupid? Of course if you tryhard, then yes - it will sound stupid. It's not something you can just rattle off. It takes practice and confidence. And nothing works all the time.
/r/seduction13/07/12 11:13 AM
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Any serious response is a bad response. Any half-way serious response is a bad response. For example: "Absolutely, we're planning the wedding!" -- sure, you're joking, but it can still sound creepy no matter how joking you make it sound. "No way, she's not in my league" -- now you just sound like an asshole. Again, joking, but you're opening yourself up to negative follow-up questioning like, 'yeah, right - I remember when girl xyz wouldn't even give you her phone number." So, what you need to d…
/r/seduction12/07/12 03:21 AM
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Of course it's bad and one should feel bad about doing it. But it's like sticking a fork in an electric socket. When you're a young guy, you need to do it so you can experience how wrong it is. You do it, know how it feels, the damage it causes, and grow from it. And obviously there is a line between objectifying and rape (kids, don't cross it!) Or rather would you have a guy go through it when he's 40 and married with kids?
/r/seduction10/07/12 11:00 PM
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I know you're tempted to think of girls as way out of your league and thus need respect -- you need to be able to just see them as being in the experimental part of their lives. Seeing them as objects is key. Women have radars for guys they can "get to do things for them" and guys they can "have a inhibition-free time" with. Trying to be natural will make you unnatural, so fuck it, just be comfortable with being unnatural. You will worry about how losing virginity will change you, which is good.…
/r/seduction10/07/12 11:33 AM
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Of course - anchoring/NLP is powerful stuff. Of course, it is also very very difficult (easy to try difficult to master) and IMO the juice is usually not worth that squeeze. That said, with the right scenario, person, and skill set, it can be incredibly effective. For example, look at something basic. One part of the equation. Every time the girl has a positive emotion, I make a motion (anchor) with my hand. Every time she has a negative emotion, I have a different anchor. And every time the tal…
/r/seduction19/06/12 08:42 AM
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Any old park would be bad - too open and foreign. But a good park that you both know around dusk would be good. The place should have some element of control. Your car, your house. I'm not saying kidnap her, but you want to give her the notion that this is an intentional plan by you. Plus, you're asking her to submit to your frame and you need subtle indicators of control. I.E. - let me get you a glass of water. Let me turn down the radio. I need to make a quick phone call, wait here.
/r/seduction19/06/12 08:18 AM
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Opposed to some other viewpoints, I'll just give your straight tips. It seems like she has feelings for you at least, so that helps. First, those to fail to plan, plan to fail. This is key. Second, realize you are going to break some hard boundaries (i.e. Friend Zone). To break hard boundaries, you need a hard, confident frame. Believe me, the frame will take a beating with her "but I don't want to throw away our friendship," and "but my boyfriend..." and "but...but...but" etc. Your frame should…
/r/seduction18/06/12 08:50 AM
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I wonder what kind of Freudian slip that was...
/r/seduction18/06/12 08:03 AM
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Maybe reddit thought sock puppet? Thanks for the unabashed compliment - and no good compliment goes unpunished I suppose.
/r/seduction18/06/12 08:01 AM
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Would you rather have a cool, sweet girl or a sexy girl down for sexy sex all the time? It's a bad question because guys want both. They want a girl who can impress their friends during the day with their comfortableness and coolness but isn't afraid to show you her wild/slutty side at night. So it's not bad to be sweet/cute. It's good - it's one half of the equation. I take it as an opportunity to point out that the girl is totally missing out my other half. "Of course I'm sweet during the day.…
/r/seduction17/06/12 11:16 AM
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Uh, did you actually read my comment? Look at the OP. Then look at my comment. You probably just skimmed it all and assumed that I was providing these as lines. THESE ARE THE OPENERS OP PROVIDED IN THE POST. No where do I support him using these openers. Yes yes, of course I could have said, "Uh, those are some dumb lines. What are you thinking?" But I feel it's better to provide a perspective of WHY guys think these lines are good, when in fact they are not. I was trying to break down the perce…
/r/seduction11/06/12 08:48 AM
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When approaching three girls, you have no idea of the social value they hold among themselves. So from different perspectives, let's look at each comment: "Hi. You girls look nice tonight." Who are you talking to? The perceived hot girl thinks you're running a line because no way her friends are as pretty as she is. The perceived unattractive girl thinks that you're talking about the other 2 girls and not her. So already you're unconsciously enforcing whatever social status they hold. However, t…
/r/seduction10/06/12 07:56 AM
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Congrats. It's a whole new ball game now. Bad news: you won't have the time/energy you had during your college days to do all the things you want. It feels like you're losing out on a lot, but there is Good news: you'll now have money (at least some) to invest in doing those really cool things that you've always wanted to do. You just don't realize it yet because it takes a while to build you're financial base. Sky-diving? Motorcycling? Off-roading? Fancy snob dining? Secondarily, look to enhanc…
/r/seduction26/05/12 11:43 AM
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Ok, let's do this. First, realize that there is a way to make it turn out how you want it to turn out. Every situation is different, of course, but I think we have enough info to sketch something out with. Looks like you're a place-holder. I will never forget when a girl told me she had a boring boyfriend. When I asked why not break up, she responded that she was hoping something better would come along. But if nothing did, then he "would do." (I'm sure she was hitting on me, but that's auto-tur…
/r/seduction21/05/12 11:54 AM
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Depends on the venue. For the approach (first 30 sec/1 minute), the content doesn't matter (mostly). It's more about exhibiting your confidence and security in yourself, and just showing her that you're not crazy. Yeah, it's fabrication, but you don't walk up to a girl and ask her to go home with you. (Unless you've had jager and like the Apoc. opener). For most anything beyond the approach, date, etc. You have found one method hidden in your question. Basically, connecting with a girl (or guy) …
/r/seduction20/05/12 12:01 PM
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da fuq did I just read?
/r/seduction20/05/12 11:44 AM
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Haha, Tofutofu is not really high energy. And that spontaneity is just a mixture of giving no fucks and a solid internalization of the how women work and respond.
/r/seduction10/05/12 08:27 AM
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First, the more you get used to acting social in your "normal state" (when you're at home or with family/close friends), the better off you will be. Many of us try to act like a PUA instead of just being a PUA. Pick-up information is the "software" where you're natural self (sometimes called inner game, but I never liked that) is the "hardware." Many MANY great things will flow from good hardware, including confidence, attitude, and poise. The better your hardware is, the faster and more effecti…
/r/seduction09/05/12 10:28 AM
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Just came to upvote this.
/r/seduction09/05/12 09:37 AM
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Glad you found it useful. Success is opportunity meeting a prepared mind.
/r/seduction09/05/12 09:26 AM
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First, realize that with some forethought and planning, you can totally do it. Gotta work for anything worth it. First, prep. Have a business card/some nice card with your first name and phone number. Also, have a piece of paper/pen to write down her number (preferable than giving your number, but you never know.) Have a place in mind you'd like to take her. Have a second place in mind in case the first place doesn't work. (Only two places. If she doesn't like either, then fuck - it's up to her …
/r/seduction08/05/12 11:33 AM
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Perfect - a sights of the city outing is great. Especially if you can take her to the hidden, local bars/spots. Yah - you got the last point down. Don't only limit yourself to facts, which can be boring, but also wild assumptions (so you have wine for breakfast right? Haha, no? But drinking is a big part of the culture, right?) She'll get to teach you in a fun way and build good rapport. Don't forget your funny misunderstandings -- they can be used later (when you remind her of them) to anchor p…
/r/seduction07/05/12 06:52 AM
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I've lived in many different countries (well, 4 might be many for some people) but I mean lived. House, girlfriend etc. Sometimes I had the language, sometimes I had a little, sometimes none. All decent advice here. But you really have to make multifaceted changes to successfully cross the language barrier. Sure, if she digs you and you're like, "let's hook up," then easy. But rarely it's not - and you may look like a creepy guy who just wants to screw (how much ever that may be); plus it may be…
/r/seduction06/05/12 02:12 PM
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IOI's, specifically subtle ones, can be incredible hard to read, especially because what passes for a IOI for one girl may not for the next. My general rule is that the energy trying to notice subtle IOI's can be better spent on focusing on your game. "Ooh, she touched her hair...IOI perhaps?" Forget that. If she's there talking with you and appearing interested in what you're saying, then just let it flow. However I make an exception before you kiss her. You know she's interested, but sometimes…
/r/seduction02/05/12 12:28 PM
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I fully support this policy.
/r/seduction29/04/12 10:26 AM
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Lol, that works too. I was imagining you were some sort of stockbroker or something. Restaurants are like the utopia of NSA hookups.
/r/seduction29/04/12 10:25 AM
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I believe the grand consensus here is that you fucked up? You wanted to have your cake and fuck it in the office place too and you know that's bad. Usually there is nothing you can do to avoid some level of discomfort/HR involvement, etc. HOWEVER, you have one advantage - that is you haven't technically started a relationship yet. You might be able to head this puppy off at the pass. But it will take some crafty shit on your part. I offer this from experience. I have done it, and it takes effort…
/r/seduction29/04/12 12:37 AM
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Any time you feel you're not in control when you're kissing, tug her hair. Right behind where her head meets her neck. You should already have your hand there anyway, so give it a gentle tug. I can't find any relevant articles, but I recall reading that hair pulling is a biological trigger for control and attraction. So try this: lean into a kiss, then right before you kiss, pull away and tug her hair back. You're in control and command how much and when. Some girls are really into it. I've had …
/r/seduction28/04/12 12:39 PM
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First, relax. Stop over thinking it. Second, throw away her number. Yes, trust me on this. Rip it up into tiny shreds and dump it into the wastebasket. Trust the grand plan. This will not only help you approach her in the future (yes, I am NOT saying give up on her), but it will benefit your future dating life and how you approach women. If you actually have the balls to rip up her number, examine how you felt beforehand. Did you think this was absolutely insane? Why? What did you feel like you …
/r/seduction27/04/12 10:52 PM
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Dance. Dance a lot. Have fun whether she's there with you or not. Feed the vibe of there to have fun. Kiss her on the cheek in the middle of the night to thank her for coming. Go out afterwards.
/r/seduction27/04/12 10:26 PM
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Yes, it is a solid IOI but maybe not how you think. Nine times out of ten, she's building a model of you as a potential boyfriend. DON'T read this as she is definitely looking to you as a boyfriend for herself (though she might depending on tone/body language), likely one of her friends that said she thinks you're cute, etc, and she wants to find out your status. Having a better understanding of the likely motivation behind the question, you can see that "I have one for each day of the week" and…
/r/seduction27/04/12 10:21 PM
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Well, that is a whole other can of worms. Many more variables come into play, such as how you broke it off, who she is with now, and the quality of your past relationship (i.e. bf/gf, hookup pals, etc). Without a detailed understanding of the past relationship, and even then, be assured there's no magic bullet. All I can say is if you personally address the 'why' of getting back together, then you'll be more able to reach the 'how.' But I'd be remiss to throw out options without a better underst…
/r/seduction27/04/12 09:53 PM
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Of course. It shouldn't be too difficult. I assume you haven't had a physical relationship before with the girl and you're starting from scratch. Primarily, you need to focus on three concepts. First, define how she has changed. Create a persona of who YOU are after college. Third, you need to PLAN triggers of your previous relationship before college to fire off at the appropriate times. 1) So you're both coming back from college as two different people. Sure, you've talked, but now this is in …
/r/seduction27/04/12 09:52 AM
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I work in a unique, high-stress social job. It's not at all related to seduction, but many of the...concepts transfer over well.
/r/seduction27/04/12 09:20 AM
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Most vapid questions like this aim to fill dead space or project one's thoughts out loud. So don't try to give a substantial answer or it will sound...off. Rather, say something like "I was about to ask you the same question. You have some cannons there." (no matter how she looks, unless she's really really insecure.) Then, if you already have good rapport, you can ask her where the beach is. If she doesn't know what you are talking about (shake your head in failure), give her the "beach is that…
/r/seduction26/04/12 09:01 AM
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Forget the guy, forget trying to make sense of it, forget any "line." This one you'll have to think with your balls instead of your brain. She's clearly down for spontaneous, crazy awesomeness so you must re-create an atmosphere that promotes such. It could be a party, a bonfire, or anything where you have people having fun. Invite her and yr friends. Or, look for her at someone else's party. Mainly, it's preferable to re-engage her at a social event rather than text/FB. Boom, you see her again …
/r/seduction17/04/12 05:54 AM
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I'm speechless. I never in a million years could have inferred that. The comment makes a great deal of sense with the back story, but really -- '77 Happy Days?
/r/seduction17/04/12 05:16 AM
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I think your badger is hammered if you think "jumped the shark" is a saying of any sense.
/r/seduction16/04/12 03:06 AM
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Your objective is not to find a girlfriend. You objective is to place yourself in a dynamic where a girlfriend can find you. This includes having friends hook you up with their friends, etc. Of course, you need the will to approach and ask her out once she finds you. Since you've given little info on what type of guy you are, I will assume you are not totally out of shape, moderately attractive guy who can hold down a decent conversation. You say that you have low self-esteem, but is what causes…
/r/seduction15/04/12 09:53 AM
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Glad you find it useful. It's ok to do nice things for hot girls, but not just because they're hot. If you do it's a disservice to them (because usually there is more to them than their beauty, or at least the girl thinks so) and to you (because it messes with your judgement and decision making, leading to reaction patterns that favor her getting what she wants with the least possible effort).
/r/seduction15/04/12 09:17 AM
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Treat the disease not the symptoms, to wit. Don't focus on the hot quality of the girl. Focus on the request or whatever she wants. This will solve many problems. A hot chick asks you to play a crap song. She's hot, so you say yes. You play it, and feel shitty about yourself because you didn't want to but were manipulated by her beauty. So you decide to say "fuck this" no more requests. But you feel bad AGAIN because you legitimately don't want to be a dick DJ. Responses to shit tests might feel…
/r/seduction15/04/12 05:02 AM
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Yah, what the hell, buy the girl a drink. Done in the proper way, there's nothing wrong with it. You need to have the proper mindset and avoid the common pitfalls. Try not to buy a drink on a girl's request. Especially if that's the first thing she asks you to do. Similarly, try not to approach a girl with such an offer. Never buy a drink because you think she'll like you more. The timing of the drink should be up to you. Buying a drink for a girl is all about you and what you want. Get your val…
/r/seduction01/04/12 11:27 AM
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Excellent answer for the shit-test. Usually if there is a question you find difficult to answer beyond "uh...um..." then that's an indication to turn the question around to her.
/r/seduction01/04/12 10:57 AM
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Excellent work. Use it as an opportunity (I see you already have to some extent) to really push your limits. Getting used to your "zone" will allow you to get there faster/easier when faced with AA or a couple shoot-downs. The streak is a great thing. I'm sure it'll keep going.
/r/seduction27/03/12 10:53 AM
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The best ones make it seem just like talking. Just as the ballet pros make it seem like pretty "jumping up and down and spinning around." As for the names, yeah - some are dumb, like sarging. But others are necessary for the newbies and fuck-ups out there (like me). For example, kinesthetics (kino) is an important part of building a relationship and there are good times to do it and bad times. After a while, it just becomes natural. I understand where you're coming from, but there are some peopl…
/r/seduction21/03/12 01:56 PM
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It's a applicable answer, but I think it's missing the point. These aren't shallow, insecure girls who are smoking hot or have high social value (though some might be.) Rather, correct me if I'm wrong OP, these are the punk/athletic girls who have the confidence to knee you in the crotch if you piss them off. They mountain bike all day then slug scotch. They tag buildings and buy prints of obscure street art. Basically, they're cool girls from whom you "learn and grow more." I've dated a few and…
/r/seduction20/03/12 10:01 AM
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Start the second date during the first date. There is a right way and wrong way to do this. The wrong way is to overtly hint/state your interest in a second date. Don't try to "sell yourself" in order to get a second date. Don't immediately accept her so long as you think it will get you a second date. You should fairly confident of the 2nd date at the end of the first date. The shotgun approach does NOT work and makes you seem desperate. The right way is first, to act like she is in a job inter…
/r/seduction20/03/12 09:15 AM
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Great work -- I see your skills have sharpened with age. And apparently you're a celebrity. I have to visit SF sometime.
/r/seduction19/03/12 02:17 PM
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Yah, looked good but I've seen better. Specifically, in Tokyo. Sure it was a small apartment complex, but fuck, we kicked ass. You'd think the tall Puerto Rican would get all the ass, but no, it was not the case. Keep at Tofutofu, I'm sure you'll get there soon enough.
/r/seduction19/03/12 02:03 PM
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Whatever. Yeah, maybe there a few slick points, but overall I can't say I'm impressed. Why not take better advantage of the circumstances? I know a guy I used to go to school with who would blow this out of the water. Seriously, he was great at hooking up with girls. Simply amazing. I met him in Japan and we would all go out and it was like fish in a barrel. We had a great posse.
/r/seduction19/03/12 01:47 PM
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Don't go into the past terribleness or singleness. It's a first date, not a job interview. Don't think of it as a date -- don't even think it's a special thing. Projecting calm will appear as confidence. Simple calmness. She'll pick up on the calm and it'll help things flow. Of course, if you pick up on a passionate subject, then project passion. Otherwise, calm is the name of the game. If you start to freeze, or there is a lull in the conversation, then just smile or laugh softly. When she asks…
/r/seduction18/03/12 05:09 AM
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Wow, that's a great list. I'll have to try it out some time. Tagged as TofuTofu-San. edit - apparently I can't spell "mr" correctly :p
/r/seduction17/03/12 11:05 AM
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I hate girls who do this. No simple answer - it depends on your relationship and the integrity/self esteem of the girl. First realize that the chance she might be lying, might be exaggerating, or might be telling the truth. Believe it or not, it's partly driven by her fear that YOU are out meeting other girls and having a good time without her, since she is a "Sure-thing" for you. She wants to partially disabuse you of this notion by making it seem she seems available. There's also jealously/sta…
/r/seduction03/03/12 02:58 AM
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If you need 60% of the whole discussion to make your point, your point isn't worth making. They're not "all that kind of girl." Such absolutes are you just projecting characteristics of the majority onto the sum because you're too lazy to observe critically.
/r/seduction02/03/12 10:31 AM
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Ah the college scene. Good times. Many people will have different advice depending on their experience. First, my keyword is participation. Try not to lock yourself into one social scene, but participate is different circles. Intermurals are great as they are low responsibility but high participation. Good friends of different interests/nationalities/grade levels are excellent things to have. Second, realize it's a fishbowl. If you hit the scene hard and heavy, you'll eventually get a rep. It'll…
/r/seduction02/03/12 10:20 AM
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Excellent work - good luck
/r/seduction02/03/12 09:42 AM
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Thanks for the constructive feedback.
/r/seduction02/03/12 09:35 AM
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BEST technique I can provide is a transition from 'end of date' to 'dat kiss.' You might need it, you might not. It's good to have in your back pocket. Since you already have good rapport, it's applicable. Simply ask for a kiss at the end of the night and point to your cheek. The sudden close proximity will usually do the trick. If not, once she gives you the kiss, tell her it's now your turn (for a kiss on the cheek) and then either you go for it, or linger afterwards. If you've escalated well,…
/r/seduction01/03/12 12:09 PM
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It's a manifestation of the girl's low self esteem (LSE). She's putting herself out there and you aren't providing an equal response. So the LSE girl will think: "I'm not good enough" or "Holy shit, I'm moving too fast. I have to slow down until he gets where I am." There's where your immediate withdrawl comes from. When I hear quality IOIs, I'll play the withdraw game, like you described above. Then bring it back to show some vulnerability from my end. But when I hear massive IOIs, it's a diffe…
/r/seduction01/03/12 11:59 AM
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Driving to the restaurant, it was alright. I was able to try to balance talking to all of them. There were 4 or 5 different conversations going on. Once we got to the restaurant we were able to have a lot of laughs. Got to know each other a bit. Then I drove them home. Sounds like a success to me. Or at least something far from disastrous. You took a potentially shitty situation and made badass lemonade. You've opened up numerous opportunities to get with Girl A. First, even though the girl flak…
/r/seduction01/03/12 11:31 AM
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Body language my friend. Body language. If you're extra dense, then ask, "what kind of girl are you then?" If the answer is anything like, "Not the kind of girl who does (what you want to do)," then I'd say you're fell wucked.
/r/seduction01/03/12 11:06 AM
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Hahah. It is that easy. It's just the comprehension that is difficult. I think it's very difficult to paint a landscape. I look at a blank canvas and then a finished painting and I can't comprehend how it's done. But if I asked a long-time painter how he can do that, he might respond, "I just brush the paint on the canvas." It may sound like a stupid response, but he's technically right. He puts a tree there, a waterfall there and it just meshes. After practicing painting leaves, roots, bubbles,…
/r/seduction28/02/12 08:11 AM
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So, let's examine girl A. When you actually look at girl A, you think she's hot and you want to know how to bang her/get her into a relationship. It's human nature to immediately judge who makes the cut or who doesn't. But....every action you do (or don't do) is a reflection of that desire. You segment it out as \date\kiss\relationship. Rather, I'm suggesting forcing yourself away from that. By "small steps," I'm saying give yourself a much much smaller goal that will automatically adjust how yo…
/r/seduction27/02/12 08:22 AM
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Yes of course - no disrespect. Great list all in all. I just secretly wipe my lips when I get a taste of vanilla chapstick. :I
/r/seduction26/02/12 01:19 PM
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Fuck flavored chapstick. If I wanted to kiss a candle, I would have. ...would have stayed home with my flavored candle collection, that is.
/r/seduction26/02/12 12:10 PM
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Alas, I've been just where you are. So I know no cerebral advice is going to help or be of any valuable utility...yet. So this is what I'll tell you: Calm down. Be content with the fact you aren't picking up any chicks. Deep breath. It's not the end of the world and it doesn't define you. OK. Imagine your a beginning boxer. You need fundamentals and core principles. Easy matches to gain confidence. You're playing the long game. "Pick-up" is the short game and is not your thing yet, although ther…
/r/seduction26/02/12 12:06 PM
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It's easy, but at the same time it's not as it can take some work. Something like, "hey, let's go back to my room," might be too direct. You want to isolate, but not threaten. Once she says, "nah, my friends are here, so..." it's becomes a bargaining issue and you don't want that. Rather, consider two techniques. One is to gradually pull her into less social situations until she is more willing to have a one-on-one. I call this the "car door technique" because usually you pull the trigger at you…
/r/seduction26/02/12 11:38 AM
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Sorry, let me re-phrase to add credence to your claim: "Women are just sexual material. There is nothing flawed about this concept. No one should trust women. Nor do I think anyone has ever trusted women." That better? Fit your desired impact, hmm? Mixes better to explain your username and message? At least you won't have to work to parse it in awkward blurbs.
/r/seduction25/02/12 04:18 AM
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Ah. I suppose it's all still valid except the "being hungry" part, lol.
/r/seduction24/02/12 09:37 AM
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Yeah, I looked into that, but felt too restricted with what they allowed you to eat/not eat.
/r/seduction24/02/12 09:34 AM
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Practice? Meh. It's important, but it's not the issue. I also don't think it's something you can force. I like the shoe assignment, though. Rather, let's look at what you have to work with. Quiet and shy. I'm sure that doesn't make you any less interesting. You're also probably a good one-on-one conversationalist once the conversation begins. So the answer may be venue. Who says that you have to pick-up at bars? Look for the quieter clubs, campus hangouts, or coffee shops. Remind yourself that i…
/r/seduction23/02/12 12:30 PM
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Obviously I'm not nutritionist (nor a doctor), though it wouldn't hurt to see a nutritionist. But I'll tell you how I did it. My younger cousin got heavy into fitness guru-ness, so I sucked up my pride and asked him to teach me. I told him I didn't want to measure my foods, but wanted a better "eating culture." Not to necessarily lose weight, but to feel better. There is no perfect advice, but it really helped me. In a nutshell, this is what I learned. Nutrition: First is to get rid of processed…
/r/seduction23/02/12 11:54 AM
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HAhaha, this is quite true. Simply simply wants you to think that she isn't a whore when she does sleep with you.
/r/seduction22/02/12 01:00 PM
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My 10 second gym approach. Requirements: Approach before she starts seriously working out. You leave the gym after the approach. "Hey, I've seen you work out her before. I have to ask, did you get your workout plan from a personal trainer? Me, I just come, spend a few minutes on each machine, and then call it a night. (start to leave) Perhaps next time you can tell me about it. (You suddenly remember) oh, and I'm Magicray89. (Wait for her to tell you her name). Later. If she asks where you're go…
/r/seduction22/02/12 12:54 PM
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Nothing like female recognition, however small, to brighten up your day
/r/seduction22/02/12 08:26 AM
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Night-watcher is just going through the process. We all, at one point or another, haven't trusted women beyond thinking they are just sexual material. Nothing inherently flawed about it
/r/seduction22/02/12 08:22 AM
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Very true.
/r/seduction22/02/12 08:19 AM
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That's some deep stuff, look forward to hearing about it
/r/seduction22/02/12 08:17 AM
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Since she's 19 and probably hasn't had too many boyfriends, you are, for all intents and purposes, driving the relationship. You know what it's like to be 19. She has no idea what it's like to be 31. I'd expect she'd either see you as a couple-month fling or fall hard for you quick. Usually there isn't much middle ground. But you never know since you say she's very mature. Still, I'm sure she's getting drunk at frat parties and hit on by horny college guys every week. So the gameplan for the beg…
/r/seduction21/02/12 11:43 AM
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Excellent. I win all the internets. Seriously, let us know how it goes. College girls are usually open to any sane, confident approach. If you don't feel like you're trying to pick her up and she naturally won't feel like she has to deflect you. Good luck.
/r/seduction21/02/12 10:00 AM
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Hmm, need a little more context. Do they just call bullshit on your opinions or do they just give you the glazed over look? Here's a test. In you mind, picture the person most commanding of respect you can think of. . . Ok. First, it's probably someone of large build, likely in uniform or at least well-dressed. So there's your number one. Dress better. Start with the shoes. Wear a jacket/sport coat when you go out for lunch/dinner/drinks. Number two is body. Don't worry if you're not 6'1" and ta…
/r/seduction21/02/12 09:40 AM
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I like the peel-the-onion strategy. It does take hefty balls. (and buying shots never hurts either.)
/r/seduction21/02/12 09:20 AM
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It's the first step in a two-step process. The second step is the alpha step: you challenge OR relate to that person's likes/dislikes. Remember when pogs were cool? People who liked them usually liked them because their friends liked them and could relate. If you were to go up to those kids and talk to them with your pog knowledge/interest, that is relation. You talk about pogs. You might drop beta, but you have friends. At the same time, if you go up to those kids and show them your...matchbox …
/r/seduction21/02/12 09:15 AM
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It's a generality. If you get in good with the leader, you're in with the group. In this specific case, it's just a birthday party. I only mentioned "homerun" in a relative sense to just basic conversation with anyone. It's not a magic bullet for picking up, but it makes it much easier to approach a wide set of people without having to demonstrate value, just by saying, "So, how do you know (birthday girl's name)?"
/r/seduction21/02/12 09:04 AM
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Absolutely. Thanks for pointing it out. Also, good overall advice. Just having a general opinion on something is usually enough. I do like to disagree more than agree myself. But it's more dangerous advice to give if the girl likes something political, religious, etc.
/r/seduction21/02/12 08:57 AM
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Don't try for a birthday girl home run right out of the cage. Sure, make it a goal, but not the goal. Conversation. Easy. Step 1 - Realize what everyone loves to talk about: Themselves. I love to cold read people. Because the person doesn't care if you're right or wrong. Sure, it's better to be right, but you're talking about their favorite subject. "Oh, you must be a scuba diver, because that's a pretty hi-tech watch." or "what do you like to do? No no, not like shopping, I mean something more …
/r/seduction20/02/12 10:18 AM
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Since she's an HB10, she might not get approached all the often. Good work giving it a shot. In this situation, I don't like pickup lines. You'll see her over and and over again on campus, so no need to close. Rather, I say approach her as you would a guy. As if you're trying to make a friend. Comment on her cool phone. If it doesn't seem like you're trying to pick her up, you are much less threatening. Say you noticed she was sitting alone and wondered if she wanted some company. You have been …
/r/seduction20/02/12 09:45 AM
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From a purely psychological perspective: dissociation. It is also a tool used to manipulate others and obtain the truth. But can be used positively to fix yourself and others' perceptions of you of that dick who did xyz. Negative manipulation (you think John stole your pen): "John, you know my pen disappeared a few months ago. I know you were going through a lot of difficult issues back then. I think the old John is over and done with. I think the new John is smarter, better, faster, stronger. S…
/r/seduction20/02/12 05:45 AM
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That's me - Mr. crazy. ^ Actually, I always think "just grab her" or "whip out your cock" are the crazy suggestions. Anything that is zero-sum I define as crazy. Practice a little bit beforehand so you can say it offhand. And don't be afraid to ask it twice if she says, "what?" the first time. Be comfortable in the role whatever her response may be.
/r/seduction20/02/12 03:40 AM
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I can relate. I would get the shakes before intimacy. So I have an interesting solution. Try this: When you're on your couch, watching TV and you feel that sexual tension, ask her when she is going to seduce you. Or how she would seduce you (with a devilish smile). It's a first move, but one that doesn't require you to initiate physical intimacy. You're adopting a beta role, but you're telling her that you're doing it on purpose because you're "testing" her. If she really does like you, then she…
/r/seduction20/02/12 01:10 AM
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There's no excellent answer. Are you still talking? Do you have plans to go out again? First, craft a plan and focus on your future improvements. My instinct says you have to up your value since she has demonstrated superior value to you. This is not textbook, and others will probably disagree since you're technically playing into her hands. But sometimes you have to play along to get along. So take her to a nicer place. Wear nicer clothes. Contrast the bar experience with this date. Perhaps sho…
/r/seduction20/02/12 12:50 AM
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Of course true disinterest is not talking about it. But that's like winning a gunfight by not showing up. Sure, the problem might go away, but if you can confront it in the proper way then I always think that's best. Personally, my best technique is shared experience. ""That guy really had the hots for you. Some sort of stalker Ex? Damn, I remember this one girl who serious stalked me for a few weeks after we broke up. I wish I saved the texts - they were kinda weird." The important this is to m…
/r/seduction20/02/12 12:12 AM
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Yes, I see where you're coming from. This was a nice bar? Perhaps NYC or LA? Somewhere not too crowded perhaps? If so, we should get together for a drink. I kid, I kid. But yes, a polite pull-away from a girl's girlfriend should elicit a similarly polite disengagement from the guy. Then follow centurygirl's advice. She is a girl (I assume), so that's as good as you can get : )
/r/seduction19/02/12 03:23 PM
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Nah, first date was fine. Don't try and metric the beginning dates out with X-amount of kino and X-amount of aggressiveness. Keep good rapport, do what comes natural, and remember to stay in the mindset that you are actively evaluating her as a partner just as she is of you. So she invited a guy to perhaps shit-test you, or just compete over her. Maybe it wasn't intentional, but it turned out that way. The problem was this: you expected a date, didn't have one, and did not adapt to the new socia…
/r/seduction19/02/12 03:13 PM
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But then she leaves and you've lost any chance of getting her number or asking out for a follow-on date. It is a very frustrating scenario. You're in the vibe talking to a girl, things are going well, and then BAM - her friend appears and suddenly the dynamic is being forced to change. Or even worse, her friend just pulls her away to go dance and you're left standing there wondering what the f#@k just happened. So let's go over the scenarios... 1 - The annoying friend. This is the best scenario,…
/r/seduction19/02/12 02:22 PM
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Everyone might have a different take based on their own experience/thinking. And context is important. First, it's embarrassing having someone take you around and help you out when you're drunk who is not a close friend. So it can be very intimate. In this case, (if you want to further the relationship) validate the action as usually (but not always) it's an extension of trust. But it VERY much depends on the situation. For example: 1- The party is winding down and some drunk girl suckers you in…
/r/seduction19/02/12 01:44 AM
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"Hey I want to see you again. How can we make that happen?" Nice phraseology. I'm going to steal it.
/r/seduction19/02/12 12:52 AM
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Sounds like you have a solid outline. As for getting back to a group, a lot depends on context. For example, you may just be getting a drink and walk past each other. You exchange awkward hi's as you walk past. Keep good eye contact, but don't engage further. You're building a portfolio of shared interaction in a short amount of time. When you're ready to go and "cash in" the portfolio, pick your place and try not to let the place pick you. By re-engaging, you are subtly saying, "all these other…
/r/seduction16/02/12 01:12 PM
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Cute and foreign huh? I can only speculate on the foreign aspect, but I'm sure you'll know how to play that. As for the cute thing, shit - just ask her. "You know, SO many girls tell me I'm cute - hopefully it's more like a "rugged surfer-dude cute" rather than a "boy-band cute." I am not too good at singing. Or something to that effect. Be confident, but don't be a dick.
/r/seduction16/02/12 10:50 AM
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My initial reaction is two-fold. First, how many girls are in these groups you try to open? What is your opening game plan? I usually recommend to stick with opening one/two sets a the beginning of the night. Don't try to look for numbers or close, just build some of that confidence that you can open. In the middle, try for the groups. I always feel that groups are always a crapshoot. A lot of social dynamics you are stepping into that can affect your results. Lastly, look to close from the grou…
/r/seduction16/02/12 10:32 AM
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Screws up your shit, right? Ok, let's break it down. I'd first ask WHY she messaged you. Chances are, she told you. (I liked your pic, omg - you like broccoli?, etc) That's important info. Remember it even if it does/doesn't make sense. Next, have her demonstrate a little value to you. Nothing harsh or negative. Shouldn't be about movies, music, religion, politics, etc. Something like, "You don't like peeps? The easter tradition? Next will you tell me you don't like hollow chocolate easter bunny…
/r/seduction16/02/12 09:54 AM
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I understand your point of view - while I usually don't like the high road being taken on me, I agree with your position. More guys should take the high road when it comes to pick-up. However, I strongly disagree to you comparing it to "finding extremely drunk girls" who, is physically unable to address the situation. This is one step away from rape. A girl in an emotionally difficult situation where she might of realized that her relationship is over is worlds apart. I'd LOVE to tell my kids su…
/r/seduction16/02/12 09:27 AM
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The first street pick-up was tough. Whenever you hear "I just met you though..." it usually indicates interest, but lack of emotional connection. There are a few good responses I use. The best one is to turn it right around. The best argument is agreement. Say she's right and she could be very dangerous. Even though she looks so sweet and kind, she could be looking to just to take advantage of innocent ol' me. After some fluff, try to move again. It keeps it positive and away from any kind of "p…
/r/seduction15/02/12 12:25 PM
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