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If you look at studies on domestic violence, in most cases the violence is reciprocal. Also, people almost universally leave out the parts of the story that make them look bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 11:59 PM
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Communication doesn't fix issues like BP says it does. Most decisions are made pre-rationally. Rationalization only comes in after the decision was already made. Romantic idealism (e.g. true love conquers all) sets people's expectations for relationships too high. As a side point I think Rpillers have just replaced the ideal of true love with true lust, so a lot of them are still idealists and haven't yet escaped their previous mode of thinking. Women put too much responsibility for their happin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 11:14 PM
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I would love to have a pill that you could take to just turn off your emotions for a few hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 10:59 PM
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Do you really look at pictures of hot men on a regular basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 10:54 PM
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I'm not sure. I just know it happens when I talk to men but not when I look at pictures of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 10:48 PM
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Pictures of men aren't stimulating that's all. It doesn't mean we think you are all ugly. More like neutral.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 09:33 PM
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I didn't mean you in particular, just men in general. Your OP reflects a common misunderstanding of the SMP/RMP. A woman's market value isn't determined by how hot she is compared to men. Her value is determined by how hot she is compared to other women, and other women wear make up too.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 09:26 PM
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You aren't competing against woman so it doesn't matter that the average rating for women is higher than the average rating for men. What matters is where you stand in relation to other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 09:14 PM
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Even is cases of cheating and abuse it's rarely just one person's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 08:18 PM
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So like muscular guys? I'm pretty sure OP just made that part up. Here is the link to the study. See if you can find anything about hyper-masculine men. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006899306009899#section.0040
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 07:59 PM
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Women responded strongly when they were shown pictures of hyper-masculine body-types. I think this study goes a long way towards proving that a woman is genetically programmed to respond positively to dominant male traits. I know this is off topic, but where does it say this in the study? From what I read it showed women pictures of couples engaging in sex acts, not hyper-masculine images of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 07:53 PM
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Can we change /r/IncelsInAction to /r/Supportcel on the sidebar? The latter is less circlejerky and has more discussion. It seems a better subreddit to visit for anyone looking to talk about incel issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 06:55 PM
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I had to look it up to see what this meant. Why don't you like being called a very hot woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 06:50 PM
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I wouldn't ask just because I'm afraid of what his answer would be. What adjectives does your boyfriend use to describe you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 06:45 PM
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In other species, selectivity is partially a function of how much variation exists in the opposite sex. So if all men were similar, whether they all had six packs or they all had beer guts, then hypothetically female selectivity would decrease. There would be no reason to hold out for the next man if the next man will probably be the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 06:39 PM
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It is partially genetic, correct? And that's not true btw, only 20-40% of height is due to environmental effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 06:04 PM
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Tall men are more likely to reproduce than short men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 05:52 PM
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I don't think you understand what natural selection is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 05:50 PM
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natural selection since it doesn't work in the modern world How do you stop natural selection from working?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 05:45 PM
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If you started aborting men, then male children would have greater average fitness (evolution, not exercise) than female children. Natural selection would favor women who gave birth to more male children, so more male babies would happen and eventually it would even out again unless you kept forcing more and more abortions. I know it's hard, but be patient and keep trying. The virginity rate for men after 40 is less than 1%. Chances are you will find someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 05:41 PM
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The number of male to female virgins is only off by a couple of percentage points. After 30 both drop below 5%.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 05:32 PM
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Yeah, my feelings would be hurt if my boyfriend said anything less than 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 05:11 PM
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What kind of vulnerable behavior do women punish in men?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 07:03 AM
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He's already supporting himself on his income at Walmart so what additional expenses would you have by being in a relationship with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 04:28 AM
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I'd rather have the sweet older divorced guy that is crazy in love with me and thinks I'm wonderful. Why do women care so much about the guy being able to pull his weight financially? If you can make enough money for the both of you, what does it matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 04:23 AM
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If he was a spherical cow on an incline with no friction and in a vacuum at zero Kelvin, then sure. I'd prefer the guy to be taller than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 12:32 AM
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What did they say to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 11:03 PM
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If a woman loves you she will think you are the best she ever had regardless if you actually are or not. Women being serially monogamous works in your favor here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 10:07 PM
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Tell us the secret woman word.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 07:56 PM
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How do you know they are incels?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 07:53 PM
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I think incels are being blamed unfairly here. The guilty person mentioned in the OP is a woman, not an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 06:14 PM
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I'd probably ask her to consider the sweet older divorced guy who works as a cashier at Walmart.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 06:05 PM
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Me too. At the very least the two categories seem to overlap quite a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 05:40 PM
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Women with cute faces and tiny pot bellies have had sex with you in the past, but the swimsuit model might as well be a hands off exhibit at a museum. So you have been conditioned to respond more to the merely cute girls. Is this right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 05:35 PM
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What do you think about dividing attraction into separate categories for sex and relationships? Do you think her desire for you, her personality, and the rapport you have with her only make her more attractive for a relationship, but does not inspire lust?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 05:31 PM
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Weird. She thinks like some of the lookist men here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 11:35 AM
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Is this how you feel about the woman you have sex with? Do you often wish she had bigger boobs or a prettier face? Edit: Since I found out you are a woman, is this how you feel about the men you slept with?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 11:31 AM
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What do you think of the theory that sexual attraction is different than attraction for a relationship? Under which category would you put personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 11:27 AM
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Yeah just the fact that they are interested in you bumps them up a few points in attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 11:21 AM
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Yeah. I understand that. It's a bit of an unfair expectation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 06:48 AM
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The guy I originally was replying to mentioned out of wedlock births, and that's what my response was referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 06:47 AM
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Yeah, but she wants to be special and doesn't like the idea that he's pursued other women besides her.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 06:38 AM
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Out of wedlock births do not necessarily mean that the father is absent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 06:23 AM
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If they thought these men were all losers, they probably wouldn't care if they were having casual sex with other women either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 03:12 AM
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I think women would care more because commitment aligns with their own goals and values. The male desire to have lots of casual sex with beautiful women is a threatening idea to a lot women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 02:28 AM
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Do you have the link to that study? I'd be interested to read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 02:19 AM
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Why? If you have one person that loves you, then isn't that enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 02:15 AM
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As long as people are still able to raise happy healthy children I don't see it as a problem. Single parent households aren't ideal, but this is more of a class issue than a problem with gender relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 11:30 PM
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What is there to be concerned about?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 11:09 PM
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I think his strategy is smart because the primary determinant of success is exposure to opportunity. You can get social proof by becoming a regular part of running groups, which usually consist of a few regulars and a rotation of new people. You have plenty of opportunity to talk to women while waiting for everyone to show up, or even on the run itself. If he's really fast, women will be admiring him too, which is almost a guaranteed way to get women interested in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 08:25 PM
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They won't be happy unless you can fake being attracted to them exceedingly well for years and years on end.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 08:13 PM
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A or C depending on the details. Then D. B would be the worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 01:36 PM
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Oh sorry about that. I guess I misunderstood your question. Was it just rhetorical?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 08:21 AM
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Do you think discussing the truth or falsity of TRP is useful?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 08:16 AM
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Why do you think that part of my post was passive aggressive backhanded BS?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 08:03 AM
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Most of the women here are in monogamous relationships with beta or at least average guys. Single moms are not as common in the middle and upper class. I don't know why there's an increase. My perpetually single female friends are single because they are exceedingly picky. The vast majority are in monogamous relationships though. If don't know what you can do to improve your chances except be as social and as active as possible. Join dancing classes because they tend to be woman heavy. Make frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 07:56 AM
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The answers would be the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 07:22 AM
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Monogamous with a gay best friend that I could talk to without bothering my husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 11:20 PM
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Make yourself happy, do what you want, and don't listen to women unless you have something to gain from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 08:09 PM
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You are going to drive yourself crazy by listening to these women. Please, listen to me instead lol. Just make yourself happy and don't worry about what they think. They are probably dumb anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 07:59 PM
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Yeah, it's really unfair because the guy is taking all the risk of rejection. He obviously wouldn't approach the woman if he knew it was unwanted. He doesn't want to be rejected anymore than she wants to reject him. So the poor guy not only gets turned down, but he also gets called a creep too. I think this is giving men serious complexes so some of them are at the point where they are too afraid to even talk to women anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 07:31 PM
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There's the issue of genetic diversity and protection from outside threats, both which would be increased with more men. Also, evolution favors what benefits the individual over what benefits the group. Polygamy became popular because a few men amassed the majority of the wealth, so they followed the sexual strategy that benefited them, not what benefited their group as a whole. The ideal ratio is probably something close to the sex ratio, 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 07:24 PM
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I wasn't saying you were wrong, just mentioning a way monogamy could be advantageous to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 07:09 PM
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There is no reason why men should only have one sexual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 07:03 PM
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Men who are monogamous can have a competitive advantage in some circumstances, because they can mate guard and be assured of fatherhood. They also invest more in their children, which gives these children an edge over their peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 06:59 PM
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I don't think it's the incels who are saying that. They would be happy just to find a girlfriend that loves them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 06:50 PM
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What's the longest period of time you've tested this over?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 05:42 AM
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How can you pick out the women who will have sex with you in the future? Are you able to tell?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 05:32 AM
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Seems mean and insulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 05:25 AM
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Invest in the people who are invested in you!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 11:24 PM
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Do you ever confront them about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 11:20 PM
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What do you want her to do to help you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 11:06 PM
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I always believed that lack of empathy was the reason many women interpret so much of male behavior as creepy. For some reason, a lot of women can't tell the difference between a nervous, awkward guy, and one who is actually intending her harm. Since empathy is defined as understanding and identifying someone else's emotions, then a lot of women are making empathetic mistakes by misinterpreting nervousness in men as nefarious or creepiness. When it comes to understanding sex, I think women just …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 10:58 PM
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Is this hard to do? (outside of the internet)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 10:25 PM
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Preselection can work in your favor here. Get one women on your side and she'll talk you up to her friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 10:15 PM
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It's hard to be happy when the men you care about aren't happy. So you are right in that most women aren't going to care about some strange man's sex life (nor some strange woman's love life for that matter), but they will care about whether or not the men close to them are happy. So my solution is for guys to befriend women and get close to them, if they want these women to care. For your second point, I agree that men have no obligation to care about women's problems. Most of the women problem…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 08:44 PM
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Is fuckboy just a promiscuous man, or a player?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 06:06 PM
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What way exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 05:54 PM
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I'm sure I have before. BTW, if you happen to live near me I'll come out of my isolation cave and advertise you to my single girl friends. If that doesn't work I'll try wingmanning for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 05:35 PM
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Will you call me out if you ever see me being dismissive? I worry about doing this without meaning to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 05:23 PM
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How do you equate 'men only value women who are young and beautiful' with 'women get to go through most of their life being inherently valuable'?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 05:06 PM
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The woman is only inherently valuable if she is young and beautiful. The princess was never a ugly 50 year old woman. She was always the witch or the evil old hag.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 04:59 PM
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When the kids get a little older, yeah. We played Mario when we were around 8 years old. But this also teaches men that they are the hero, the actor, and the main focus of the story. The woman does nothing, which isn't a good thing either. Do you approve of the newer Disney movies like Mulan and Frozen where the female protagonist saves the guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 04:51 PM
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You are taught this from the moment you are conscious. How? Young kids are read stories about fishes and trucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 04:41 PM
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Occasionally, but it's not usually the place where you find lots of women. Men would be better off taking a dance class if they wanted to impress women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 04:39 PM
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Hmm, well I don't believe that men are doing this to impress women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 04:33 PM
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Are there a lot of teenage women there? The skate park in my city never has any girls around.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 04:29 PM
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Have you ever been around little boys? They are like this long before anyone has a chance to indoctrinate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 04:19 PM
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I think men are just less risk adverse and tolerate violence more than women. Like how many mothers yell at their sons for skateboarding or taking unnecessary risks? What mom is okay with her son buying a motorcycle? Men do this stuff without any prompting from women. Maybe they do it to impress their male friends, but there aren't any women at the skate park.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 04:05 PM
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What would it take to satisfy men's need for sexual validation? Would the approval of one woman in a relationship be enough, or do they have to have lots of casual sex with hotties to be happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 03:54 PM
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Men view themselves as disposable. I can't get my fricken boyfriend to wear a helmet when he rides his bike.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 03:52 PM
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I don't believe women see men this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 03:44 PM
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Yeah for us it's almost the opposite since guys want to fuck us, but they don't love us. So we don't understand why guys would want sexual validation so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 03:37 PM
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I think women are ready to settle down at 21, but 21 year old men are not. That's why women shoot for older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 03:34 PM
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I think part of the problem is that it's often framed it as a lack of sex problem rather than a lack of love problem. Women can empathize with the latter, but have trouble sympathizing with the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 03:31 PM
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Yes, I meant for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 03:26 PM
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That would only be true in the SMP though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 03:18 PM
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Well that's super easy. If that's all guys want, then I don't see why we can't accommodate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 03:17 PM
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Oh yeah, I agree with that. I don't think feminists are pushing for men to open doors for women or pay for their meals, but you are correct in that they do push female hypo-agency and male hyper-agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 03:14 PM
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How would you prefer people to respond? It's sad that there are so many men who can't find love or validation from the opposite sex, and I would like to help in anyway that I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 03:11 PM
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How?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 02:56 PM
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Thats the hard part about talking averages in the sexual market place - everything, for both genders, is highly skewed to one side of the distribution. Looks for men (80/20), age for women (younger great, older terrible), imbalanced desire, etc. How can women simultaneously be less visually stimulated and care more about looks than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 02:17 PM
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Why is having fun so important? You can have fun at any time in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 07:07 AM
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When this happened over the course of one day, was the guy very similar to a certain type of person, like a person you had loved in the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 05:12 AM
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Why do you think some women, and some men too, are unable to feel lust without love and trust already in place?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 04:51 AM
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Women only care about the RMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 04:21 AM
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Why do you think the Weinstein case had anything to do with attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 02:36 AM
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OP was saying only unattractive men got accused.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 01:56 AM
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I don't know if women really see it as fun judging from my single friend's stories. They seem anxious and unhappy until they find one guy that is committed to them and who they also like.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 10:40 PM
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I think women do this to some degree. Most get in a LTR or married in their twenties. They are looking as soon as they hit puberty just about. Since we are only able to have babies for a short amount of time, we basically have to start looking immediately. There was no period of time where I was just dating for fun. To give you an idea, I met my first boyfriend when I was 18 and I was with him through my entire twenties. There was no time when I was just basking in male attention, fucking Chads …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 10:24 PM
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I think that's what I meant by "hiding your flaws". I had to learn to tone down the amount of emotional intimacy I dole out because men never want it as much as I do. You probably just do this naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 10:13 PM
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You won't be decaying away in your thirties. Also, 20's aren't the best times for women either. A lot of women don't want to have the kind of fun that men want.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 10:10 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 10:00 PM
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Why would you prefer decreasing in value over time as opposed to increasing in value over time?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 09:56 PM
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Oh. I bombard men with my feelings and they get sick of me. Maybe I should try to be more like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 09:53 PM
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That's assuming she didn't already settle down with someone older first It's not all the same woman. As a whole, women will be more attracted to him. Which is very understandable I don't understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 09:52 PM
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They will be when he's her same age. But men resent the fact that women find them attractive in their 30's, because they still feel like they missed out on fucking her in her prime.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 09:49 PM
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Maybe you could tell me some of your good experiences with intimacy. To be honest my views are based entirely on two men, so I could be completely wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 09:47 PM
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The people who expect this aren't BP feminists, they are old people and conservatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 09:44 PM
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Yes, they ignore women over 30, because they are only interested in fucking young, hot women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 09:38 PM
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The Duke Lacross team were unattractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 09:36 PM
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There is always something though. It may not be that thing, but it will be something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 09:34 PM
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Not many I guess. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 09:33 PM
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It doesn't even have to be that extreme, he could just find out you had casual sex in college and then lose attraction to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 09:22 PM
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Is it good? Should I read it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 08:41 PM
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These are still flaws that don't interfere with what they want in a significant way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 08:34 PM
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It's commonly interpreted as having a political nature but I believe a better interpretation is about the frustration of being a beta 20 years old and seeing how your female peers (who are at the peak of their feminine beauty) routinely ignore you in favor of alphas their age or in favor of older men. This statement implies that you are ignoring all the women who aren't at the peak of their beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 08:21 PM
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Yes, but if you hide your flaws you can make it last a lot longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 08:18 PM
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What was their reasoning?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 08:11 PM
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Well if you ended up breaking up then it seems like what I said is true. You couldn't accept her reckless spending, and she couldn't accept you kissing another girl. We make too many mistakes for people to love us entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 08:08 PM
2

This is only true of harmless flaws that make you goofy and relatable. When your flaw interferes strongly with what the other person wants, then they will lose interest almost immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 07:59 PM
1

Never read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 07:52 PM
1

I can't relate. It's hard for me to even separate them in my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 07:49 PM
0

What has been your experience? I've found that the best way to keep a man's love is to emulate his ideal vision of you for as long as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 07:48 PM
1

Isn't it all or nothing though? Do you lust after men you don't love? Do you love men you don't trust?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 07:42 PM
3

I always thought that women primarily wanted exclusive intimacy. To achieve and level of understanding and acceptance of each other unavailable to others. When this level of intimacy is achieved, it seems like trust, lust, and love follows naturally. Unfortunately, it doesn't work in real life. When someone really knows and understands you, they stop loving you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 07:29 PM
3

I don't know what the bar is yet. What is it about strippers that inspire men to lavish them with vacations, cars, and marriage proposals?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 07:14 PM
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They don't realize that she's only play acting his perfect woman. What is this perfect woman? Is she just sexual and attractive, or is there something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 06:58 PM
2

Oh yeah, haha. Can I request my therapist be a 50 year old gay man?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 06:33 PM
4

I wish they made gay-best-friend prostitutes for women. Some guy that would just listen to you talk, but not want to fuck you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 06:23 PM
1

I'm sorry, I just have deep ingrained Christian prejudices towards casual sex. I can't look at it with any other feeling except disdain. I can't respect anyone that holds it in high regard and uses it for validation. Is it more fun to go out and get shitfaced with your friends, or is it more fun to repeat to yourself that you're doing the responsible, healthy thing by staying in all by yourself and getting an early bedtime? I don't like drinking either lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 06:20 PM
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All of them in the past 60 years. My guess is that people don't go out as much due to the internet, netflix, and social media. It has nothing to do with sexual liberation, which happened much earlier. If you're a woman, the sky's the limit - you can probably go and find a reasonably attractive, high quality guy to take home with you at any moment. If you're a dude, you just get to watch. Hooray. It's hard for me to sympathize because I don't want to have sex with some random hot guy. It doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 05:39 PM
1

I've never dated a guy who had any sort of provider instinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 05:29 PM
2

I see a lot of Kylie Jenner look-a-likes calling themselves bad bitches, but I'm not sure what this means exactly. And sure! Yey! =)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 05:18 PM
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We are having less sex than which generation? Surely we are having more sex than in the 40's and 50's, right? Maybe less than the 60's and 70's, but that's when the sexual revolution happened. I think that RP men's expectations were just exceedingly high for some reason, and that's why they are frustrated. I'm not sure what caused them to have such high expectations though. Was it movies? Porn? I don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 05:14 PM
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Not really. You are only looking at one specific group of women. This is female equivalent of the type of guys that are proud to be assholes or dark triad. Also, want to play leagues tonight? =) I'm getting better!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 04:45 PM
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They say that it's part of female nature to have fun, no-strings, casual sex with alphas in their youth and only decide to settle down with a beta later. In my experience, it mostly guys who want to have their fun during their youth and then settle later. The majority of women are looking for a relationship and want to settle down from day one. This also makes more sense from an evolutionary perspective. Women have a shorter period of fertility, so they need to secure an environment conductive t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 04:43 PM
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To other bitches maybe. Most people would just call her a bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 04:29 PM
5

Unless my picture of history is wrong, the average man is having more sex. Were people having college hookups in the 50's? If they were, it was in secret. Now something close to 80% of men have at least one hookup during college and they can talk openly about it. You can also have sex with a girl before marriage and not be judged by anyone except your grandma. The only reason men had more sex during the 70's because that's when sexual liberation took place and the cultural attitudes have travell…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 04:26 PM
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There is no comparable act that a man could do to a woman, without seeming like a total dick. That women seemed like a bitch though too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 04:19 PM
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I have been saying forever that AWALT is really about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/17 08:13 PM
8

What about writing her notes, making her lunch, or showing he loves her in other non-monetary ways? If he's not doing anything to show that he cares about her, then that's obviously a red flag, but I don't see why his method of affection has to be monetary in nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/17 07:58 PM
1

Do I need to know anything to join?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/17 04:41 AM
1

If you message me and I know you are there I will get on for a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/17 04:31 AM
1

This is what I believe too. The rest is just good people skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/17 04:28 AM
2

That's a not a gynocentric frame. It's the opposite. Alpha =male imperative, beta = female imperative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/17 02:44 AM
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She is saying that she doesn't mind artificial sausage if it doesn't come with added misogyny. are you gonna get on irc later? I'm thinking about it, but probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 08:16 PM
1

Can you give an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 08:07 PM
1

I don't think it's necessarily malicious to try and appeal to your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 07:54 PM
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Then I can't see why male-female relationships are any less of a team than male-male or female-female relationships. Individual interests often conflict with other's, but we can form relationships to minimize this conflict and create something that is mutually beneficial. It's different from a competition, because in a competition, the other team's loss is necessary for your win. One person wins, the other loses. In a romantic relationship, it's more both or neither. Either you both win, or you …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 07:40 PM
1

Despite male nature being 'wanting a rotating harem of young beautiful women', some men want to form lasting relationships with one woman. If some women want the same thing, can they not be on the same team with these men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 07:32 PM
2

What is this inherent difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 07:28 PM
1

Would the same conditions hold for female-male relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 07:26 PM
1

Are men on the same team with other men and women on the same team with other women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 07:22 PM
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To me it sounds like he was on the fence about being in a relationship with her, decided to give a shot, and then changed his mind about a month later. She was probably overly clingy and neurotic during this time which pushed him to make up his mind sooner rather than later.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 07:14 PM
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You can judge it based on your own experiences. Do you only want to have sex with the top 20% of men? Do you want to have casual sex with Chads right now, while planning on settling down with a dependable, boring man later on? Do you only love men for what they can do for you? Are you always looking to trade up to a better option? Do you only find alpha traits attractive? Would you have anal sex if the guy was hot enough? Do you despise vulnerability and weakness in men? Has been being obedient …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 06:57 PM
2

Which do you think they would prefer?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 07:58 PM
2

I see. Would men want a harem of young women if it meant that these women secretly hated fucking them and were just there for the fame and money?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 07:55 PM
2

Being BB is the RP lifestyle?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 07:51 PM
1

Hugh Heifner was the ultimate BB. He just didn't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 07:49 PM
2

If this were true on a large scale, then the most attractive women would have the hardest time finding relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 03:12 AM
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Why did it fail, if that's not too personal?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 02:55 AM
2

Are you in a long term, happy relationship OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 02:41 AM
1

I thought wealth made you a BB unless you were attractive in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/17 06:09 AM
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You don't have to be richer than her, just better in whatever way RP thinks women are hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/17 06:05 AM
2

Why would women stop doing something that men validate and reward?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/17 05:55 AM
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If women are hypergamous, then why can't men fix all their problems with women by dating down a few pegs?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/17 05:53 AM
1

What about having a long, healthy, happy relationship with one woman? Would this man be successful in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/17 05:44 AM
1

How are you defining success?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 04:02 PM
3

And what's wrong with that? Why do you care if they keep doing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 03:54 PM
3

Why don't you just unfollow/defriend the women who post that stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 03:40 PM
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I originally started playing video games because my boyfriend liked them. But now I genuinely like playing them. Isn't this the same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 03:32 PM
1

Well you are an oddity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 08:41 PM
1

You have only slept with one woman? Is this by choice or by circumstances?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 08:14 PM
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The dicks are long gone, but the porn remains, so I would say that his porn habits more relevant to the current relationship. I'm not arguing that she didn't do something wrong. She obviously did. But to me there is a difference between a woman pretending to like a guy so she can get his money (predatory), and her lying to a guy because she is afraid of his judgement (defensive).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 07:55 PM
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the woman will say some shit about his fragile masculinity or ego. a woman when she tries to tell you how to feel This is abusive behavior imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 07:47 PM
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She is not intending to harm him. She is intending to keep him from breaking up with her. It is the same as guys hiding the type of porn they watch out of fear of judgement. It's not intended to hurt the girl, they just are afraid that she'll be disgusted by the fact that he jerks off to gapping assholes, and so he hides this fact from her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 07:42 PM
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Predatory would be attempting to harm the other person in some way. She was attempting to prevent harm to herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 07:29 PM
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That's not their decision to make haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 07:19 PM
3

I wonder if it depends on the denomination. I've had great luck with my Mormon guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 07:18 PM
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Well I guess it works for guys. I'd feel like I was disqualifying myself by asking directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 07:16 PM
1

Does asking directly work better?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 07:12 PM
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If they are trying to hide it, then wouldn't they lie about their past anyways?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 07:11 PM
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Can't guys figure out a woman's past based on her values and personality? Like a tattooed guy who smokes weed and drinks and who you met on Tinder is likely to be a high n count guy. A guy who spends all his time studying, was raised religious, and was shy in approaching is less likely to have had a promiscuous past. Can't guys deduce what women are promiscuous the same way? Why do you have to ask directly? It makes you seem judgemental and tacky.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 05:29 PM
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The way I've always seen this work out is the woman will take up the guy's interests and also become a part of his social group, but the guy won't hang out her friends or take up her interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 02:30 PM
1

It sounds like you were in an abusive relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 04:04 AM
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You will have to rely on research papers for that, which brings us back to my original point, most redpillers don't actually read these papers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 08:22 PM
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How would they be able to test to see if this is dependent on culture or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 07:46 PM
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I live downtown and either walk or bike to work. I think I've been called beautiful twice, and one time someone said he loved me. So it's happened to me three times in 2 years. I would always just stop and talk to the guy for a little bit and thank him for the compliment. I want to empathize with the women who complain about this, but it's really hard for me to relate. Perhaps you live in a bigger city where it is more threatening? But when I lived in a bigger city I don't think I ever got catca…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 07:09 PM
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What are some examples of evo psych claims that can be tested in everyday life?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 07:00 PM
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So if a RPiller is making a claim X that can't be tested in his every day life, and is also not backed by the research on evo psych, then what can we conclude about why he believes his claim X? How did he ever come to believe X?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 06:41 PM
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How are you going to test the claim that men are biologically predisposed to value chastity in real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 04:30 PM
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Yes, I should have been more clear. I explicitly told my then-girlfriend how much honesty and monogamy meant to me, and that I wanted to date a woman who had always vetted her sexual partners (as opposed to exclusively vetting me). She insisted, "I am not, nor have I ever been promiscuous." I took her statement at face-value, and didn't respond with incredulity. It was only later that I discovered that she regularly had ONSs with random men she could barely remember. Oh then this is a very clear…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 04:12 PM
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Did you originally tell your girlfriend that you found promiscuity behavior to be disgusting, and as a response, she claimed to have never had casual sex in the past? I think you misunderstood. I never professed to "believe in TRP." I reject the broad majority of the Red Pill pathos, yet find myself agreeing with some of the practical descriptions of male and female tendencies in the dating arena. Oh, sorry. I just assumed from your flair. P.S.: Yours were among the most well-considered and well…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 03:59 PM
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That's your argument now? Yes. When researchers call something culturally dependent, they look at it's variance as a function of different cultures. They don't look at simple percentages, because something can be widespread and still cultural. One, it's not. It's saying that what men will answer in a questionnaire is dependent on culture to a larger extent than what men truly value. Two, I don't deny that it's dependent on culture. The point is that it has strong roots in biology. Everything has…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 03:51 PM
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Their data disagrees with their statement. Good evidence against the evolution hypothesis is finding that 50% of cultures value sluttiness and 50% of cultures value chastity. It's unlikely to be that simple. Because your list contains the countries where feminism took hold. Slut shaming is bad, you're not a real man if you are afraid of other cocks, etc. That shit doesn't happen in Saudi-Arabia. Give those men real options instead of a questionnaire and you'll see their true preferences come out…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 03:15 PM
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Do you disagree with the researchers on this statement? These results provide only moderate support for the evolution-based paternity probability hypothesis. They also yield equally powerful evidence of proximate cultural influences on the degree of importance placed on lack of prior sexual intercourse in a potential mate. Also, why do you think, where men would be looked down upon for valuing chastity this would be true in some cultures and not others?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 03:02 PM
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even though almost all cultures place very high value on virginity This isn't true though. Table 6 shows the results for the variable of "chastity: no previous experience in sexual intercourse." Cultures in this study vary tremendously in the value placed on this mate characteristic. The samples from China, India, Indonesia, Iran, Taiwan, and Israel attach high value to chastity in a potential mate. At the opposite extreme, samples from Sweden, Norway, Finland, the Netherlands, West Germany, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 02:54 PM
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Why do you think they trusted that these people were telling them the truth about what evo psych says? Why wouldn't they just do a quick google search to see if what RP claimed the research said was actually true? The reason is because they already felt it was true, based on their own experiences or just because it's useful for them to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 02:49 PM
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No lol. I'm only offended that you can't get everything you want, because you are such a nice person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 02:40 PM
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Earlier you said that honesty is the best policy. Knowing that you share some views of TRP would be very important information for any woman dating you. For me personally it would be a deal breaker and I would be very upset to learn that my boyfriend had been hiding his RP views from me. I would want to know from the start what kind of websites he visits, and while we are at it, what kind of porn he watches too. Do you plan on telling future woman that you are RP in order to uphold your policy o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 02:39 PM
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Do you really think the majority of RPillers have ever read an evo psych paper?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 02:33 PM
1

I somehow totally misread your previous comment and thought you had broken up. I'm glad things are still going well!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 02:16 PM
1

I just found your post touching and sweet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 02:13 PM
1

You break my heart nwm.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 07:10 AM
1

What happened to the new girl you were talking to? =(
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 06:51 AM
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You are okay, don't worry about the complainers. They will always find something to complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 06:14 AM
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I loved that game.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 04:09 AM
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There are a couple of really nice incels on this forum that I know about. Would you be genuinely interested in talking to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 01:09 AM
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I try to make everyone happy, but my boyfriend takes priority 90% of the time. He's not just a casual boyfriend though, we are planning on being together for life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 12:38 AM
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If she actually was trying to marry him just for his money.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 12:31 AM
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How much of a Stacy does a woman have to be for this to happen regularly enough to become annoying?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 12:02 AM
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Ah, I just miss her, sorry. You sounded a bit like her. Also, my post was just describing what I personally like about relationships with men. No other woman needs to feel the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 11:33 PM
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Is this /u/questioningwoman?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 11:21 PM
4

Out of curiosity OP, do you tell the women you date that you are RedPill?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 11:05 PM
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Yeah it does matter somewhat for your future interactions with the rattlesnake.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 09:19 PM
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I agree. It's better to be honest because then the people who won't like you can eliminate themselves. However, it seems her being a bad choice for a partner has little to do with her changing her vetting process, but due to her dishonesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 08:55 PM
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Not saying that it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 08:42 PM
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I think you are justified in breaking up with her. It's ultimately your call in deciding what is important to you and what's not. She lied. That's wrong by most people's standards. However, all lies are not malicious. For instance, suppose some guy really likes a girl, and he hears her complaining to a friend that all guys want to do is play video games. So before asking her to come over to hang out, he hides his video game collection. When she asks him what are his hobbies, he doesn't mention t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 08:42 PM
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I think that's up to the person being deceived to decide, but for me predatory deceit is worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 08:30 PM
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Yeah, it's an understandable deal breaker. I would also be upset if I found out someone I was dating had lied to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 08:20 PM
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It deceptive for sure, but I don't think it's predatory like you are making it out to be. She probably liked you a lot and was ashamed about her past. She lied not because she was trying to trick you into being a BB, but because she knew that you would judge her based on her past. And she was right.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 08:19 PM
1

Would you date an incel?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 08:16 PM
2

Why does he have to have a good job?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 08:12 PM
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It seems like you think her deceit was predatory, but really it was defensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 08:08 PM
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The best thing about men is when you do something that makes him happy, and he smiles, it's so beautiful. You had a part in improving the life of another person that you love. It's the most extraordinary feeling in the world. It doesn't have to be a huge thing, just making a joke and seeing him laugh is so wonderful. And then he does the same to you. You smile at something he does, and then you see that your happiness makes him happy, and it turns into this infinite loop of happiness. Also, you …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 08:05 PM
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She probably just didn't want you to think she was a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 07:39 PM
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Would you have continued dating her if she had been upfront from the beginning about her promiscuous past?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 07:15 PM
2

What's the maximum number of baby goat videos can I watch while maintaining my progress?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 10:05 AM
2

I think that most men end up in relationships too. There are a few unfortunate men who don't though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 08:50 AM
2

Can you easily go overboard with complimenting men like you can for women? Does it ever feel too much when a woman says something like "you are the hottest man on the planet"? I've had complaints about this before. For me I don't care so much about compliments as I do about a lack of criticism. If a guy is criticizing me all the time I get frustrated very quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 07:42 AM
2

You don't know anyone who is physically attractive but has such poor social skills that they still have problems dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 07:29 AM
2

I can hate for at least 15 minutes at a time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 07:07 AM
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He was more of a pretty boy type, but at his age girls like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 12:07 AM
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It’s a balance. Yeah. Does anyone disagree that both looks and personality matter? You can be ugly but charming AF and get women. You can be hot and dumb AF and get women. The top guys are hot and charming. The bottom guys are ugly and socially inept.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 12:04 AM
1

Elliot Rodger was good looking and rich. He couldn't get laid because he had a crappy personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 11:47 PM
1

How are most women in relationships then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 11:45 PM
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Again if she was willing to lower her standards she probably could find a relationship in no time Yeah, that's what I said. You seem to be missing his point. You realize that even 6 women have an issue with hooking up with a 6 guy? Thats what we're talking about when we say the market is skewed. The SMP is skewed, not the RMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 11:42 PM
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They can't see his personality through the dating site.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 11:40 PM
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RPillers I just want you to know, even though I hate you and I think your entire subreddit is stupid and mean, I would rather you be a Redpiller than be sad and lonely and hopeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 11:35 PM
1

Your dating pool is bigger because more women are looking for relationships than casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 11:27 PM
2

That would only tell you that hotter men got more matches, which we already know.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 11:26 PM
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Most women get in relationships. I agree this is a problem for the perpetually single women who are crying about there not being any good men left, but this isn't the experience of most women. How do you think all these average woman got relationships? We can't all be dating Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 11:26 PM
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In order to be able to determine that, you'd have to make an identical profile without the misogyny and some beta traits and see if it got more or less matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 11:20 PM
1

It forgot to subtract 4 cm for being European.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 08:20 PM
2

What's wrong with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 08:07 PM
6

I am taller than the average man, and skinnier than the average woman. Woohoo!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 08:02 PM
3

They are all billionaires with 9 inch cocks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 08:00 PM
2

I think you have to be careful because if someone genuinely believes that their nose is ugly, for an example, then complimenting it will seem fake and even patronizing. It's better to be realistic in your compliments because it makes them more believable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 07:56 PM
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The first two guys have some strong beard game that bumps them up a notch. The one without a beard would be average except he's tall. The guy in the second picture has body shape that's attractive to a lot of women. Any 30 year old woman would be all over that. The guy to the right in the blue shirt looks average though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 07:49 PM
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Yes, that's what you said before. I still disagree lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 07:43 PM
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Here are some pictures of average couples because I'm too lazy to find pictures for men and women separately. http://static.thefrisky.com/uploads/2009/03/30/engaged_average-couple_c.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/15/article-2421400-1BD4F5D8000005DC-622_634x470.jpg https://static1.squarespace.com/static/531ba741e4b07c42c347c942/t/54c77681e4b09ee1b22f4ffd/1422358147253/ I tried to find some average black couples but they were all too hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 07:42 PM
3

Most women come out of the revolving door of being pumped and dumped by chads and eventually settles with a man who is willing to commit and provide for a future together. Well I strongly disagree with this, so it seems we are at an impasse.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 07:33 PM
2

True. Do guys try to compliment their girlfriends about stuff that matters to the girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 07:30 PM
2

The second picture guy also has a very masculine frame with broad shoulders and big arms.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 07:28 PM
2

I think women do this for their boyfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 07:19 PM
3

Your average woman looks about right, but the guys you posted look a little above average to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 07:09 PM
2

I am convinced that as long as there is someone out there having more sex than them, men won't be satisfied lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 07:04 PM
5

He is settling for one woman as opposed to fucking mutliple women. Also, women don't consider the most physically attractive guy the best. The best guy is the one she had the best relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 07:02 PM
2

I know that men want this, but women can't just change the way their attraction works. So what do you want us to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 06:57 PM
5

What does this have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 06:53 PM
3

Even if you take every single woman in her 20's it's still only 25% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 06:52 PM
2

Yeah, but it's not off by much. The female percentage is probably slightly higher and the male percentage slightly lower making them about the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 06:48 PM
1

I think deeper in the paper, the average number of sexual partners was also mentioned and it was also about the same with the average slightly higher for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 06:44 PM
2

"If they lower their standards enough"... thats a slippery ass slope that heavily favors women. If a woman was having problems finding a relationship, I'd tell her the same thing. So a [5] woman can then get a [6] guy ( cause the 6 girl is shooting for 7-10 level men ). That 5 guy has to "lower his standards" to a [4] or [3]. And it keeps going until the bottom 30% of men dont get anything, cause women in that age bracket are dating better guys (due to having a vagina) or opted out cause they do…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 06:21 PM
3

All the stats I've seen have shown this to be the case
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 05:54 PM
4

Yeah. I linked a study here. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/76u8l1/q4men_if_a_woman_had_a_past_of_casual/dohxyx6/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 05:53 PM
6

I don't know, but I know the percentage of men and woman having casual sex is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 05:42 PM
5

Don't men also sleep around when they are young and then settle down later in life?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 05:41 PM
2

I agree that the least attractive men have problems, but everyone else in the middle can find a relationship without too much difficulty if they lower their standards enough. Those swipes are unlikely to result in a relationship with a guy who has options. FTFY again. Swipe on a average chubby dude? Instant relationship if you want it. On OKCupid, unattractive women responded more to unattractive men than the reverse. Look at the last three charts. Unattractive men responded to unattractive wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 05:39 PM
1

Here's one study. You can see the percentages of hookup behavior in Table 1
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 05:27 PM
2

I don't think you are actually being valued for your body.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 05:14 PM
2

In the RMP, its still in favor of women. I disagree. Women want relationships more than men. Also, the number of men and women in relationships is roughly even. Someone will come along when you're ready, its only 3-4 swipes of an app away. Those swipes are unlikely to end in a relationship. Men cant sit out the SMP, we have to try because thirst. You can have your thirst quenched in the RMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 05:12 PM
1

Why is it that when ever you look at statistics on casual sex, the percentages for women and men who engage in casual sex are very similar?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 04:56 PM
2

What about saying that 20% of women are having 80% of the casual sex? Wouldn't this be the Pareto principle too?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 04:52 PM
5

Why do you want to be valued for your body?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 04:50 PM
2

Only in the SMV. In the RMV it's even. You can choose not to participate in the SMV. I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 04:48 PM
8

This is just a consequence of women not being visually stimulated by men. Hardly any men are attractive to women but just about any man has the potential to be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 04:38 PM
1

Not on the same scale as men. Smells like misandry tbh So?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 04:27 PM
1

Women objectify themselves because men like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 04:26 PM
1

My one friend who is very promiscuous is not attractive enough to get guys interested in her without sex. Eventually it worked for her because she's married now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 10:42 PM
2

Same here. If he's confident asking you out then it either means, a) he's done this a million times before, or b) he doesn't think you are all that hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 09:46 PM
1

Oh yeah. Didn't think about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 09:40 PM
0

Men tell us how they think of women. I am only repeating what men have told me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 09:18 PM
2

I don't know how you could possibly relate to someone who didn't have any vulnerabilities or weaknesses.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 09:13 PM
2

How would we even meet people to cheat with?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 08:56 PM
4

I think you are confusing RP with the male imperative.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 08:53 PM
-1

That's not even what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 08:41 PM
1

So women can understand men better.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 08:16 PM
1

It's just an observation to help women understand how men think of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 08:13 PM
1

No, why do you ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 08:01 PM
1

Maybe. This is the best argument so far. They are definitely dehumanizing men by punishing them for having normal human weaknesses and emotions, but I'm not sure this is the same as objectification.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 07:52 PM
5

I wasn't virtue signalling, you are reading too much into what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 07:46 PM
0

No, I have never heard this. Mostly women demonize men by calling him abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 07:43 PM
2

So, demonizing men is ok because you don't objectify them. But demonizing women is not ok because we objectify them. I didn't say either were okay or not okay. I was making an observation not a value judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 07:42 PM
1

Example?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 07:30 PM
1

That's probably true. It wasn't the point of this thread though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 07:29 PM
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Can you not see the remarkably different way that men and women talk about each other? I am not saying that men objectify women because I saw some ad that contained a hot chick. I came to the conclusion that men objectify women because of all the men that told me directly how they feel about women. Men in this very forum tell us all the time that women are only good for sex, that non virgins are damaged goods, and that men only love what they own. Women do not talk about men like this. We demoni…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 10:18 AM
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Yeah. I don't believe women are oppressed. Gender roles actually gives women an unfair advantage over men in the legal system. How are you doing btw? Everything still going okay with your girlfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 08:42 AM
1

You think that commercial accurately depicts typical behavior of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 11:44 PM
1

So you think that TRP and incels doesn't reflect the views of average men? Can we just dismiss them as assholes, and that's it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 11:15 PM
1

You had to go back to 1998 to find an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 11:10 PM
0

Yeah, maybe I need to take a break for awhile. I'm starting to legitimately hate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 11:01 PM
1

Seriously? You think the kind of person who is forced to use a sexbot or do that "waifu" shit because no woman will even look in his general direction is somehow "perfectly happy" about it? The men in this documentary seem to prefer their sexbots to real women. Some even have girlfriends but they still keep their sexbots. The guys aren't unattractive either. And no, you don't order a Russian or Asian wife like you shop on Amazon. That's not even ridiculous, that's patent crazy talk. Have you see…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 10:59 PM
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The only real way you could not objectify someone is to live alone and be autonomous. Reductio ad absurdum? If in defining objectification you remove any possibility of not objectifying someone, at least within the scope of normal human behavior, then your definition is too broad. They do, yes, but that isn't originally what you were saying. You said that the more that women emulate a plastic doll on a shelf will equal the more that men will love her. Not many people, other than neckbeards, are …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 10:35 PM
1

Why is it ridiculous? How do women do the same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 10:13 PM
1

Of a man who isn't like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 10:12 PM
1

The point of this post was to point out that everyone sees everything as objects. We are nothing more than tools to each other to be used to obtain things that we want, whether it be food, money, sex, or good feelings. As opposed to what? If valuing someone for some purpose is objectifying them, then what would be an example of not objectifying someone? That's just not true. Why don't you think so? Don't men lust over women airbrushed and posed to look absolutely perfect? Don't men want women yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 10:11 PM
1

Can you show me a counterexample?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 10:00 PM
1

Men always do stuff like this. http://i.imgur.com/EsOwgTg.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 09:15 PM
3

I think they always felt that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 09:13 PM
2

The men on reddit. TRP, incels, askmen, PPD, or any subreddit devoted to men talking about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 09:12 PM
4

Listening to men talk about women online.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 09:06 PM
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Men actually see women as objects though. It's not just that they desire us for sex. They organize us into categories with rankings from 1 to 10 like we were restaurants on Yelp. They compare non virgins to used cars. They call their girlfriends plates. They order Russian or Asian wives online like they were shopping on Amazon. They are perfectly happy replacing women with waifu's or sex bots. They dislike any evidence of us being human or having lived a life. The ideal woman to a man is one who…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 09:03 PM
1

Oh, okay. I agree with your OP then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 08:13 PM
1

Do you see it as true or just useful? For instance envisioning of women as fucking a different Chad every week might be useful to remove women from the pedestal in your mind, but it's not necessarily true, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 07:24 PM
1

RedPill without the lingo is BP.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 06:51 PM
1

They are both correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 06:50 PM
2

Societies with a higher prevalence of benevolent sexism towards women, also have a high degree of hostile sexism towards women, and both benevolent and hostile sexism towards men. This makes sense if the society pushes people into gender roles, as it rewards those who conform to the roles, and punishes those who don't, but wouldn't make sense in a society that prioritizes women universally.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 03:32 AM
1

Does RP even advocate paying for dates? I thought that they recommended not to do this until after sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 11:34 PM
3

And your previous low n count, traditional woman was okay with being a plate? For how long? For the rest, I think it depends on the person. I like being alone, but maybe you are an extrovert.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 11:23 PM
1

More capable of doing harm is something negative in my opinion. People see men as more violent, abusive, even more evil than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 11:12 PM
1

Is that supposed to benefit women or men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 11:09 PM
3

Were you before you had health problems?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 11:09 PM
1

Do you think that any negative attitudes towards men play a role in this discrimination against men? Maybe I'm not expressing myself clearly because that's exactly what I was saying. I was giving an example of a negative attitude towards men and a positive attitude towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 11:09 PM
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Although it isn't mentioned as often as the reverse, sexism also benefits women and harms men. Prison sentences are an example of that. Women are seen as harmless, so they get shorter sentences. Men are seen as more capable of harm, so they get longer sentences.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 10:59 PM
3

Are you in an exclusive relationship with a low n count traditional woman now?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 10:42 PM
1

I doubt that it would be okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 10:36 PM
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Yes, but Guitars wasn't saying he didn't like it because it was hard, just that it was non traditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 10:33 PM
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No, the whole point is to find the most compatible partner out of multiple options. If you personally value a traditional relationship structure, then it would seem that choosing to date women who are okay with a non traditional dating scenario would go against your goal of finding a compatible partner. And on top of that you automatically don't choose that partner just because you are needy at that moment. You are not needy, sexually or emotionally, because you already have it all covered. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 10:31 PM
2

Would it matter if some post supported the feminine imperative if it were true?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 10:25 PM
4

It seems like it would attract more attention from SJW's this way, not less.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 10:19 PM
4

If the whole point is to not get too emotionally invested, you can produce the results without relying on the methods by learning how to be content with being alone. This is arguably better because spinning plates still relies on other people, but being happy with aloneness does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 10:09 PM
3

I didn't think you were like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 09:59 PM
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The negative connotation doesn't come from the act itself. Literal spinning of actual plates takes skill. The negative connotation comes from referring to women as objects.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 09:03 PM
4

Why do you want it to have a negative connotation?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 08:09 PM
4

What are some current PUA theories?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 07:12 PM
2

Dr. Nerdlove I guess. Can't think of anything else they would approve. Mark Manson?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 07:09 PM
1

If they were unattractive neckbeards, their position would be more understandable and it would be easier to sympathize with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 07:04 PM
5

Benevolent sexism is a more complete and descriptive theory imo. Edit: To give an example, the majority of protagonists in our movies and literature are male. It's been shown that people relate better to male characters, even women. It would be hard to justify why this is the case in a society that prioritizes the female perspective. However, it makes sense in a society that upholds gender roles, as men are the heros and the agents, and women are only passive participants.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 03:06 AM
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Gynocentrism is just another word for benevolent sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 02:56 AM
2

That's not due to feminism. It's due to the belief that women aren't capable of doing much harm to others on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 02:45 AM
2

What if she suggests things that is even kinkier than you like?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 10:19 PM
2

I wouldn't care either way. I wouldn't even call myself a feminist, so it wouldn't bother me if a guy didn't either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 10:10 PM
1

I don't have any good alternative advice, I just can't imagine how communication would fix things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 09:56 PM
1

Well I'm a woman so in order to prevent a dead bedroom I just keep having sex with my boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 09:26 PM
2

Do guys lose respect for their girlfriends when they act slutty, even if it's only for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 05:21 PM
1

I've maybe had that happen twice in my whole life and I go to the gym at least 3 times a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 04:58 PM
1

By approached, do you mean that guys just talked to you, or did they ask you for your number?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 04:49 PM
1

The fact alot of women view mens sexuality ( and alot of men put a huge emphasis on their sexuality as a key part of who they are ) as garbage, says to him he is garbage. A man and his sexuality are intrinsically linked, by rejecting that part, youre rejecting the whole. That's his view though, not mine. Rejection hurts but you are being cruel to yourself by attaching so much significance to what someone else think.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 04:48 PM
1

You don't have any female friends that you like and respect as individuals, but you wouldn't want to date? Even if you aren't attracted to someone, it doesn't mean you think they are garbage. You probably aren't attracted to 90 year old women, but you don't think they are garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 04:20 PM
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Even if you find them attractive, you may not want to marry them, correct? So you probably don't think they are garbage. They might just not fit with what you want for a lifelong partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 03:57 PM
1

How many men even get close to maxing out one or the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 03:52 PM
1

I hope I wasnt too harsh with my wording. Its just outside of my life experiences. Nah, it didn't bother me any. I admit it was pretty dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 03:51 PM
1

Bars is one thing, but being approached at the gym multiple times is surprising. You must have been looking fine that day.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 03:42 PM
1

It was cold and our lot is far from our apartment so I planned on parking on the street temporarily and returning before the meters started the next morning. Since we only use the car once a week any ways, the next day I just went straight into my normal routine until my boyfriend needed the car a few days later and discovered it wasn't in the lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 03:41 PM
1

I keep my feelings to myself on this. I'm never going to discourage him to better his life, despite how insecure I feel about his success.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 03:33 PM
1

I don't know. What has worked for me won't necessarily work for other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 03:30 PM
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How many women that you meet would you want to marry, have children with, and live with for the rest of your life? Do you think the rest of the population is garbage?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 03:27 PM
1

Better looking. Better job. Better personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 03:20 PM
2

Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 07:01 AM
6

/r/TRP became popular because reddit users would link them constantly as outrage porn. Now they are doing the same thing with /r/Incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 05:30 AM
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TRP is already old news. Incels will be taking their place as Reddit continues to share them everywhere for shock and awe.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 05:05 AM
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It's not healthy that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 02:53 AM
1

I get that you are being sarcastic but I don't get your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 02:04 AM
2

Yeah, I like nature too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 01:44 AM
1

Is it that much different than picking someone from a dating site?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 01:38 AM
2

Yeah, this is why women often string along their beta orbiters. These guys are their safety net in case their current relationship doesn't work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 12:36 AM
2

I don't think so. It's more just exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 12:27 AM
2

Most probably haven't heard of it, but how do I know they don't feel the same way about women and relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 12:18 AM
3

what do you think I'm scheming? Sorry I didn't mean you personally. Just TRP in general. I don't really consider incels RP. I think you just want a girlfriend and you're not scheming anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 12:08 AM
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He was raised Mormon so he doesn't drink, do drugs, watch porn, want anal, or want casual sex. He also respects me which according to RP is rare. He has never yelled at me or called me names despite the fact that I do stupid stuff all the time. Like once I forgot where I parked the car for 3 days and got a wad of parking tickets as a result. I was afraid to tell him but he was very sympathetic and not mad at me at all. I actually did this multiple times and sometimes he will shake his head, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 11:49 PM
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Don't assume that 'doesn't want to date me' = 'thinks I'm garbage'. There are plenty of guys that are better than me in every way and I still don't want to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 11:26 PM
3

The chances of me finding someone like my boyfriend are slim especially as I'm getting older.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 11:23 PM
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Maybe, but that person is a stranger and I don't know what he's like. He wouldn't be my boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 11:02 PM
2

I don't like talking to people in real life. It makes me uncomfortable when they look at me and I'm required to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 11:01 PM
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No lol. I dread game myself by imagining spooky things that probably won't happen, like my boyfriend leaving me for a beautiful, young, Japanese woman just because he likes anime. Right now I'm having problems because he is achieving a lot of success in his job. I want him to go back to being the guy working retail and living with his parents. I scare the fuck out of myself lol. If anything I think women have the mentality that being alone wouldn't be so bad. Not that they can replace their guy …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 10:46 PM
2

I rarely leave my house, so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 10:22 PM
1

What would be a practical application of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 10:09 PM
3

We can learn things outside the scope of our experiences. For instance, I can learn some things about what it's like to be a man and understand them better. It's also an exercise in empathy because it's super hard to empathize with a faceless paragraph of text who seems threatening and apparently hates you. But if you can manage to create some sort of understanding with this person, you are rewarded as they transform in your head from a predator into something human and relatable. As you said, n…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 10:05 PM
5

Your way of speaking is very abstract and flowery which can be difficult for some people to understand. I think he's asking you to reexpress yourself using concrete, straightforward language so he can understand you. (Something I would appreciate as well)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 07:53 PM
1

He doesn't seem insane to me so I'm probably just as bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 07:20 PM
1

Are we talking about verbal communication?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 07:17 PM
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It seems like you are saying that you need to build intimacy through communication, but that is a skill most people don't have. Instead of telling people to communicate, you would have to tell them how to communicate in order for this to be effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 06:53 PM
1

Yeah. I think is the best explanation so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 06:48 PM
1

Literally all you have to do is meditate on it, and try to magnify their positive traits in your mind. This works for women too. It's a pretty effective relationship maintenance strategy and I think it could potentially prevent dead bedrooms. A girl being low maintenance is the most important thing a man can select for when looking for stability. Sometimes when I read your posts, you seem like the male version of me. I also think this is the most important quality women can select for. Find a gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 06:26 PM
3

I just can't see what problems can actually be solved by communication. Suppose the wife isn't having sex with her husband. He communicates to her that this is a problem and that he is unhappy. Now she feels pressured to have sex when she doesn't want to have sex in order to make her husband happy. In my experience, this makes the situation even worse, not better. It has nothing to do with being a narcissistic or autistic. It's just that the problem (the wife is unattracted to the husband) can't…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 06:07 PM
3

Learned game doesn't lead to misogyny. It's just that the places that teach game also commonly teach misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 06:43 AM
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It would be interesting to see the overlap. TRP advice is commonly considered to be very similar to sales.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 06:41 AM
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GreasyPole always says that women don't like seeing sausage being made in reference to TRP. The idea is that the only reason women don't like RP is because it makes fake alphas. OP is saying that women don't care about how the sausage is made, or that it's fake. They only don't like the extra additives thrown in by PUA and TRP. It's another way of saying that women don't care if men improve themselves, they just don't like the misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 06:33 AM
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If that was your goal, then I suppose it's good. If your goal was to find a happy relationship with a woman though, then I would say PUA failed you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 06:23 AM
1

Did the books teach you how to be one of these yuppies?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 06:20 AM
2

Misogyny is a typical additive in making artificials, but at no point does she claim it is necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 06:17 AM
1

Can you tell us more about this yuppy mindset that plagued the 80's?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 06:06 AM
1

Where did she say that learned game leads to misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 06:03 AM
1

Do children have the same personalities as their parents though? I'm sure it's not as simple as kind father makes kind baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 05:59 AM
1

That could be it too, although tallness in women doesn't seem as detrimental as shortness in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 05:55 AM
1

My guess is similar. She is selecting for 'beta' traits out of fear that the child will become a violent thug.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 05:54 AM
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Are you in a happy relationship now?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 05:49 AM
1

No, but it just takes less priority over other factors for this reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 05:47 AM
1

My theory is not very good, but if I had to guess I might say that parents were trying to get a child that would be easy to raise. They are essentially trying to avoid the worst case scenario which would be having a child that they can't control and who turns into a violent criminal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 05:43 AM
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I'd assume that they are choosing someone who looks like the father in order to avoid awkward questions. That is likely, although single women placed the lower priority on physical traits than couples. Anyone who has anything to do with children knows how untrue this statement is. How do you figure?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 05:40 AM
1

It doesn't make sense to me either. It seems like physical features would take priority in these decisions, and for good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 05:36 AM
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Yes, unfortunately neither study looked at what the men preferred.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 05:30 AM
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Maybe because even though it is not the most important feature, it's an easy feature to determine unlike intelligence and reliability.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 05:24 AM
1

Oh sorry, you are right. We don't know the sexual orientation of the single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 05:22 AM
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The single women (as opposed to hetero-sexual couples and lesbian couples) were the group that selected most strongly for personality though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 05:07 AM
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I included that point in my OP. In the second study, the researchers only looked at independent sperm donors who advertised online and didn't go through a sperm clinic. Even then, height wasn't a top predictor of sperm donor success.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 05:05 AM
1

This is true, but I wonder why they wouldn't be the same since generally speaking, attractive = will produce successful children.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 04:54 AM
2

Wouldn't having height and being physically attractive benefit the child?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 04:51 AM
1

Can you give a guess as to why this might be the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 04:44 AM
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Women on dating sites request certain heights, so I'm not sure why this would be different.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 04:41 AM
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Women like when other women find her boyfriend/husband attractive, but for her to see this, women have to be actively flirting with him. Women aren't able to see a guy's n-count. And if women are actively flirting with him, then going further wouldn't increase his attractiveness to his wife. She wouldn't see this anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 12:56 AM
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I think that you wouldn't care unless there was some part of you that wanted to be able to sleep with other women. Moreover, I think being at least somewhat attractive is a not-insignificant part of WHY one's partner remains with them. Yes, but if they are with you then it's already assumed that they find you attractive enough to have sex and a relationship with. It wouldn't matter if other women find you attractive or not. I think the true reason is that it gives the guy a sense of security in …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 12:32 AM
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It depends on what you want. If you want to have a lot of sex with a lot of different people, then getting really good at approaching and making a good first impression is important. It doesn't mean they will like you long term though. If you want a lasting, healthy relationship with someone who knows all your faults but still likes you, then the length of your relationships and the happiness of your partner will be more validating than your n-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 11:30 PM
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I think you will feel significantly better about yourself, if you make a point of noticing whenever your behavior is consistent with these values and spend less time thinking about things that you don't even value that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 10:58 PM
1

Sorry I looked and it was Groovy, not you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 10:55 PM
2

Hey were you the one who convinced me that high n count men weren't necessarily bad people?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 10:28 PM
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I had a long discussion with someone, I think either Groovy or GuitarsAreGettingOld about this. I was arguing that male sluts were predatory and manipulative people. He told me that this isn't the case because, like him, some guys want relationships with the women they sleep with but these women end up dumping them. Yo_radical_one told me he had the same problem. He goes into it a little bit here. https://www.reddit.com/r/ppdPersonalAdvice/comments/715a73/how_to_deal_with_a_complete_lack_of_smoo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 10:25 PM
1

Ignoring your friends for a moment. What character traits do you personally value? What kind of person do you admire?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 10:12 PM
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Imagine a guy who makes a first good impression and can attract women easily, but women keep losing interest in him over and over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 10:08 PM
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Oh gotcha. So you wanted the respect of your friends, and sleeping with women is how you achieved this. What about your current friends? Do they also respect you because of your n-count?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 10:06 PM
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It wouldn't necessarily mean that one woman would fuck you often, because you might be good at creating, but bad at sustaining. Anyways, OP answered and said it was to gain the respect of his friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 10:03 PM
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Edit: Sorry replied to the wrong comment. Reposting in the correct place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 10:00 PM
2

Why is having this sense of worth valuable unless you wanted to fuck lots of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 09:55 PM
1

What sense is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 09:41 PM
1

What exactly are you proving? Do you think women only have sex with admirable, worthy men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 09:37 PM
1

This is exciting! How did you guys meet?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 09:19 PM
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I was thinking that handling all the emotions that must be involved would be nightmarish, but you probably deal with them better than I would. And I don't blame you for not wanting a relationship with her given that you know she's okay with cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 09:15 PM
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He is extremely laid back and easy to please.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 09:06 PM
1

He might agree, but it will be "let me finish my game first" instead of humping me like a wild animal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 09:01 PM
2

Yikes, that must be a nightmare to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 08:55 PM
2

Is this the same girl you were talking about last week?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 08:16 PM
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There is a difference between "So, how about we go back to my place and get to know each other intimately" And "So when are you gonna fuck me?" :P Which one of those is better? I've also been wingman for some of my guy friends and I thought I was going to be good at it, but it turns out I suck and I hated it. So I know I'm bad at cold approaching. Do women consider what strategy they need to use before going in or do they just stumble in and hope he gets the hint? Stumble. There is just not enou…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 07:17 AM
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Internet. Not a dating site, just a forum for our city.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 07:06 AM
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He probably felt more guilty about sleeping in a bed with another women I guess. But anyways, I moved away and he called me once about a year later. But he's married to his girlfriend and I have my own boyfriend now, so I keep my distance for obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 07:01 AM
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It was intentional. I was pretending to be sly and 'do it in my sleep' though, because I didn't know how he would react. That was as far as it went and we never talked about it, but he acted weird the next day. No doubt he felt guilty and I feel bad for putting him in that position.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 06:54 AM
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Hell yeah I would lol. One guy we would do our math homework together and he was so much fun to be around. We would have a blast doing homework and try to scare each other by imagining there were ghosts everywhere. I felt like a little kid again around him. He actually slept in my bed with me once and I put my leg over him and felt his boner with my thigh. However, I shouldn't have done that because he had a girlfriend at the time. I put him in an awkward position and we stopped being such close…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 06:38 AM
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Yeah I think you are right, there was an guy here that had a really good looking face but was short. Remember /u/Incel_Because_Short or something like that? Well last we heard from him apparently some girl was playing footsie with him, so I think he'll do okay. I wish all incels could have their problems solved so easily haha. I don't even care about "really hot." I'm pissed off that even your run of the mill plain jane will be like "too short. Fuck off." That's all my standards are. They aren't…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 06:30 AM
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Yeah, I'm tall for a girl. The shortest guy I dated was 5'9", but I've crushed over guys shorter than that before.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 06:11 AM
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Glad things are still going well with her!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 05:54 AM
1

What else are you going to do with your time?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 05:53 AM
1

I also have friends from Nepal (everyone thinks they are Indian) who do well, but they are both very Americanized and have good looking faces. One Indian guy probably would struggle just due to his thick accent, but he has a wife back home in India. The other guys I don't know what their dating lives are like. You are probably right that being Indian hurts a little, but not enough to kill your chances. I'm average looking in the face, but my height makes it fucking worse. Shorter guys have it ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 05:38 AM
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If I want to have sex with my boyfriend. The best way is to wear little shorts and then don't pay attention to him at all. He'll come up behind me and start humping me. When I am more direct he just laughs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 04:38 AM
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I can see how being 5'4" and Indian would put you at a huge disadvantage if you live in America. I try to imagine what it must be like to not even have one person ever tell you that you are attractive and I bet it would be awful. Of course I don't know what you look like, but i find your personality on reddit charming and you have female friends...so maybe it's not entirely hopeless? I think if it were really bad then women wouldn't even want you to be around them. But anyways, is there somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 03:19 AM
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Do you live in a very Indian area? Sort of. I'm in STEM. Are you a stacy? No, definitely not. Also how tall are you? I'm pretty tall for a woman, almost 5'10".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 02:15 AM
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No, I was thinking about a different context.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 01:54 AM
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Being direct is one of those things that men say they want from women, but every time I've tried it's turned the guy off.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 01:10 AM
1

I think we have similar taste in men. I've noticed this before from a few of your comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 11:56 PM
1

I remember reading somewhere that even high school boys prefer women in their mid 20's because this is around the time women's fertility peaks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 11:45 PM
2

I'll talk about them with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 11:29 PM
2

You are such an angel. I mean that in all seriousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 11:16 PM
1

Did he have OCD by any chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 11:11 PM
1

Yeah, we tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 11:00 PM
1

I would probably like your ex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 10:59 PM
3

He cheated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 10:57 PM
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Why would you even think about considering dating a man you don't find physically attractive enough to fuck? As a necessary or a sufficient condition? Physical attractiveness is necessary for lust, but it is not a sufficient condition for lust. Otherwise, women would be masturbating to pictures of Chad. They don't. If you were dating me and I knew you weren't at all physically attracted to me I'd break up with you on the spot. I'd consider any further interaction a total waste of time and effort…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 10:55 PM
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But what if women don't feel that way about any man, at least initially? It would be like women telling each other not to sleep with a man unless he marries them first. That would eliminate most of the male population and not really accomplish what the women wanted to anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 10:20 PM
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Oh, well I agree that adultery is part of female sexual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 10:11 PM
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Should these women just not date any man then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 10:08 PM
1

Yes in high school. Was it about cuckoldry or adultery?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 09:58 PM
1

What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 09:41 PM
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A lot of reasons, but for one if you look at scripts in women's romance novels, a repeated theme is a man coming in and saving the woman from an awful relationship, but you don't see any scripts that describe cuckoldry in any way that I know of.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 09:38 PM
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I think women cheat as a preemptive move to branch swing, not to trick a guy into raising a man's child.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 09:06 PM
1

It's a pretty big risk though, don't you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 08:38 PM
2

That would make it more understandable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 08:36 PM
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That is fair and your feelings are important, but it still says nothing about how they felt. A lot of guys here say they would pick a hot girl with a great personality over a very hot girl with an okay personality. If they had just met both of the girls though, then they would likely pick the very hot girl because they can't make a decision based on information they don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 08:34 PM
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Racism?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 08:29 PM
2

Women control the market when there are more men than women. Men control the market when there are more women then men. I got this from directly from one of David Buss' papers on sexual strategies. RPillers believe every line of that paper except that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 08:28 PM
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I think that the men aren't necessarily settling for less attractive wives, but they are settling for monogamy with one women, when they would prefer to keep fucking college coeds for eternity. When they realize they can't maintain this lifestyle is when men start to settle. It's ironic that men complain that "she didn't find me good enough to fuck when she was young", but in reality it was that she wasn't good enough to commit to when she was younger. The reason I know this is because when wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 08:23 PM
1

How would she not get caught if the baby from the other guy looks nothing like the supposed father?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 08:16 PM
1

That's a good point. I can see someone doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 08:11 PM
1

When guys are dependent on women, either financially or otherwise, I wonder if they try to compensate by controlling the woman. This way the retain some feelings of power in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 08:04 PM
3

I missed some critical piece of the puzzle. How do you know they were your second choice? Originally they wanted your friend because they didn't know how you were. But when they found out they chose you over him. You even said that you stole your friends plates, so they left him to be with you. I don't see how this makes you their second choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 07:54 PM
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Oh, yeah. Now I know exactly what you are talking about. Like complaining when you go visit your family or when he has to make himself dinner one night because you are working late?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 07:01 PM
1

What do you wish the previous men you dated had done?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 06:51 PM
1

There is variety of course, but certain traits are valued by a larger proportion of the population than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 06:30 PM
2

Men don't talk this way in front of other women. They say it to other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 06:24 PM
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Deadbedrooms are related to women's sexuality, but unrelated to whether or not she values his body. No woman values a man's body independently from his other characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 06:22 PM
1

Well I asked him directly. Even though it hurt a lot, he wasn't volunteering the information just to be mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 06:12 PM
3

But if you were grateful for getting to ride the used lambo, why would you deride it to your friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 06:10 PM
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Well no woman values male bodies in the same way men value women's bodies. But we do like male bodies. Our liking of them just doesn't exist independently of his other features. There's nothing to be done about this and it's unrelated to dead bedrooms.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 05:55 PM
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A man values a woman for trait X, and this trait in all likelihood exists in varying degrees in the population. Therefore he is perfectly capable of making a meaningful comparison. Susan is more fun to be around, Betty is a better cook, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 05:36 PM
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If I love a man, why shouldn't I show my love for him in the way he wants, not they way I want? For an example, perhaps you don't care about cuddling after sex, but it makes your girlfriend feel good. Are you lying to her by cuddling with her in order to make her happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 05:01 PM
2

I think your attitude is admirable, but can you tell me why men degrade the women they sleep with by calling them sluts/whores? Why do they punish women that give them the sexual validation they crave?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 04:51 PM
3

Women say that because men like to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 04:46 PM
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I have an anecdote. My 'ex' and I were having a conversation on how to keep our friendship going because I obviously still had feelings for him and it was causing problems. He told me to find another guy because falling in loving with another women, in his words, "cured him almost immediately".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 04:10 PM
1

I have an anecdote. My 'ex' and I were having a conversation on how to keep our friendship going because I obviously still had feelings for him and it was causing problems. He told me to find another guy because falling in loving with another women, in his words, "cured him almost immediately".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 04:09 PM
1

I just have one anecdote. My 'ex' told me that he lost his romantic feelings towards me when he fell in love with someone else. This was during a time when we were trying to figure out how we can just go back to being platonic friends when I still had feelings for him. He urged me to pursue another guy because in his words he was 'cured almost immediately' when he fell in love with the new girl. I really don't understand how people can let people go so easily. Not just men, but people in general…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 03:52 PM
1

I just have one anecdote. My 'ex' told me that he lost his romantic feelings towards me when he fell in love with someone else. This was during a time when we were trying to figure out how we can just go back to being platonic friends when I still had feelings for him. He urged me to pursue another guy because in his words he was 'cured almost immediately' when he fell in love with the new girl. I really don't understand how people can let people go so easily. Not just men, but people in general…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 03:51 PM
1

I just have one anecdote. My 'ex' told me that he lost his romantic feelings towards me when he fell in love with someone else. This was during a time when we were trying to figure out how we can just go back to being platonic friends when I still had feelings for him. He urged me to pursue another guy because in his words he was 'cured almost immediately' when he fell in love with the new girl. I really don't understand how people can let people go so easily. Not just men, but people in general…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 03:51 PM
1

Why did you give up on relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 05:41 AM
1

It's not what I usually go for, but I will check it out. I was reading about it online and it has very good reviews.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 05:25 AM
1

Yeah, but I also like playing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 05:09 AM
1

No. When did I say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 05:05 AM
1

I've never played a simulator type game before. Should I try it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 05:03 AM
1

What do you play now?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 05:00 AM
1

Do you want to play leagues?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 04:56 AM
2

That's the only one you found crazy? I thought at least 5 of them were.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 04:54 AM
4

Incels are actually funny unlike TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 10:03 PM
4

I wouldn't want a RedPiller, but these are the things that I would do for a normal guy that loved me. I would use myself as a human shield to protect you from any flying fists, and attack all those who insult you. I would help you hide the evidence if you ever decided to kill someone. I would completely ignore all your flaws and greatly exaggerate your positives in my mind until you became something like a god. As a devote follower in your religion, I would fight all those who oppose you with vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 08:04 PM
2

Yes, this is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 07:17 PM
3

Thanks, that does make me feel better lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 07:09 PM
2

I think that men judge their attractiveness based on the hottest women they can sleep with, but women judge their attractiveness on the hottest man they can keep in a relationship. If a woman gets pumped and dumped, she doesn't walk away from the encounter feeling good about herself, despite how hot the guy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 05:44 PM
3

You wish that your girlfriend becomes a popular webcam model and leaves you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 05:37 PM
1

Has it happened to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 05:34 PM
2

Who makes me feel safe? Mentally ill people?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 05:28 PM
6

She approached him I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 05:17 PM
3

No clue.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 05:15 PM
4

Okay, so you are saying that basically all men feel this way, not just redpillers? That's even worse lol. women don't think men are wonderful I did until I found TRP. The men on TRP are the ones who grew up thinking that women are wonderful for thinking men are wonderful and deserve to be treated like they are wonderful. Why do we have to be either wonderful angels or Satan's spawn? Can't we just be normal people?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 05:14 PM
3

Of course I don't know what those women are thinking, but if I wanted to date someone safe, I'd find someone unattractive enough that I could be relatively certain they wouldn't leave me for a hotter woman. He would have to be significantly less attractive than myself. If you are within the attractiveness range for these women, then I doubt they see you as safe. The dating market is pretty much like the red pill describes it in my experience. Male thirst makes women over-estimate their looks/ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 05:10 PM
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I am not attracted to shortness as a feature in the same way someone would be attracted to blonds, but I find certain short men attractive, yes. But I also don't find tallness attractive in all cases either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 05:00 PM
2

They were in 2014.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 04:38 PM
2

Oh, so you just don't think you are as attractive as the women you date? Just trying to make sense of all this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 04:28 PM
2

So women either see you as a safe bet or a player, but nothing in between? Why do you think this is?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 04:02 PM
3

But they also see you as a player? This doesn't seem to make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 03:52 PM
1

If we were best friends and you did something awkward, I could laugh at you and call you a creep and you would understand that I was just teasing you good naturedly and that I don't actually find you creepy. If I did that when we first met, there's a good chance you'd just think I'm a bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 03:49 PM
3

How do you know they see you as a safe option?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 03:15 PM
7

I think this is just because beards are in style right now and older women are less likely to be affected by this trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 03:11 PM
3

As a first impression it's almost universally obnoxious. After you've established some rapport, it's fine. For instance my boyfriend can tease me endlessly about how weak I am, and I didn't mind. I laugh and it's a good time. But if he were to do this when we first met, I'd just think he was a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 03:06 PM
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Every guy I have ever dated has had the same sort of mental disorder, but I think these are the men I pick. I don't think I could be attracted to a healthy person to be honest. I find OCD and slightly autistic men attractive. Probably because I associate it with intelligence. Tall guys approach me a lot, probably because I am also tall. I don't get approached by shorter guys very often. Foreign guys of any nationality seem to like me more than American guys. The first time I ever was called beau…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 02:58 PM
2

I think women don't have to imagine it because we meet men that do this in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 02:26 PM
1

I am sceptical if you can classify people up into this simple division. For an example, my parents were very Red Pill when it came to gender roles and identify, but also very much in favor of applying Christian values universally.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 02:18 PM
2

What changes from online to real life that makes RP palatable?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 01:47 PM
1

Nah, they probably just think it's funny. I doubt they care enough to hate me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 07:19 AM
5

Looking fine as hell now.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 07:15 AM
7

It kind of sucks to find out how men think of women, yeah. I don't know how to not hate men after reading some of the stuff they write.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 03:53 AM
2

Can you give some examples? What type of questions could you ask to determine if someone cares about identity expression and uniformity of ethics or varying ethical expression and uniformity of identity?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 01:40 AM
1

What are you going to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 09:24 PM
1

Noooooo!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 08:31 PM
1

What do you mean by identity differences over ideology?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 06:51 PM
1

Explainlikeimfive?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 06:33 PM
2

How are you defining RP/BP?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 06:17 PM
1

/u/LittleWindowPane is hilarious. Example.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 06:02 PM
4

It used to be when it was gaining popularity, but I think feminists just gave up when they realized it wasn't going away. Back before video games were popular, rap music was blamed for everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 05:45 PM
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argues against the stuff from a male perspective that has the male benefit in mind. I'm not a man so I can't argue from their perspective and men are better at figuring out what benefits them more than I am. I'm saying that your also argument holds in the opposite direction. Any arguments against BP are futile because your experiences will never override our experiences. The best we can do is understand each other better. the practical application of the stuff. Like I said. Their advice for wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 05:16 PM
1

Did what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 05:02 PM
3

From the other side, TRP makes second hand observations about women, but I have first hand experience. There is nothing RPillers can say that will convince me that I want to fuck Chad, or that I settled for my boyfriend, or that I like dominant men. Also RPW's advice for women is shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 04:55 PM
1

Yeah I'm sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 06:39 AM
3

If I was only a little more than a quarter of the bullshit content that existed here. Haha! I love how you just assumed you were the remaining 25%
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 05:30 AM
2

Please Atlas. Permaband me instead. It means so much to him and he already has to live without a jaw.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 03:00 AM
3

I already knew that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 02:32 AM
1

If you are okay with rape, why not just get a prostitute?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 01:26 AM
3

But we will never know what happened with footsie girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 01:14 AM
2

I haven't seen him say that. He's even got a gf now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 01:03 AM
1

Oh I misread. I thought ARS wanted a pro incel mod.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 01:02 AM
2

Can I nominate /u/Carkudo? He's actually pro incel unlike your other suggestions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 12:10 AM
1

You are ridiculous lol. Give us an update!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 08:15 PM
2

<raises hand>
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 07:03 PM
1

This is what I make too, except my smoothie isn't as fancy. I just do banana, ice, and almond milk. You can add spinach into the smoothie too and it doesn't effect the flavor at all for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 06:42 PM
4

Sometimes I will call a guy cute when I mean hot because it feels less slutty.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 06:35 PM
2

Befriend the 17 year old and date her when she turns 18?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 06:20 PM
2

What isn't RedPill about her post?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 06:11 PM
10

Most of human interactions run on covert contracts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 06:07 PM
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I think that women and BPIllers just don't understand how Nice guys happen in real life. They read stories on the internet and form some idea of what happened, but this idea is missing the critical pieces needed for the Nice guys behavior to make sense. They laugh at how ridiculous the NiceGuy is, because in their imagined story he actually is being ridiculous. No non-insane human being would keep doing favors and showering attention on someone who was clearly not interested. The missing piece t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 06:06 PM
1

Your face is not shit dude. It's actually above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 05:40 PM
1

Nope I didn't. I don't know much about you so it will be hard for me to guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 05:41 AM
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The top 20% of men don't approach average or especially below average women, so why would these women give a fuck about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 05:38 AM
1

Did you post a picture?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 05:28 AM
1

You are so beautiful. Does every man you meet fall in love with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 04:33 AM
1

Come back Electra! We could have a PPD LoL team! Wouldn't that be so much fun? =)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 02:26 AM
1

I love your face. I could look at it all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 02:14 AM
1

You are one of those good looking people. Killer yoga poses too. I can't do a full wheel that well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 01:50 AM
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I don't understand how you can be incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 01:46 AM
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They are using alts so what would the point be?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 01:37 AM
1

Hey when do you want to play?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 12:52 AM
1

Oh, makes sense. AWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 12:51 AM
1

Er.. do I want to know why?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 12:44 AM
1

Lux here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 12:10 AM
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BP men are difficult because I never talk to them. I might have guessed wub, but he's gone now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 10:53 PM
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Aww. I'm flattered that you think I'd be that cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 10:41 PM
1

It's too stressful talking in real time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 10:33 PM
1

Do you share pictures there too? Have all the cool people seen each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 10:31 PM
6

Stephen Spielberg came up. Can I have your autograph?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 10:29 PM
2

What the hell. I hate you lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 10:24 PM
1

I want to see you and Atlas the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 10:21 PM
1

Hint?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 10:04 PM
4

Before he's said that he's really skinny and looks like a serial killer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 10:02 PM
1

I don't hate you OP. <3 I actually like talking about incels. It's interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 09:49 PM
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Yeah I have no clue.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 09:37 PM
2

Oh I didn't know that. I just remember her saying she modeled.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 09:25 PM
1

I like your style, especially the second outfit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 09:19 PM
4

This thread is so weird. I don't think I believed any of you were actually human before.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 09:15 PM
3

My guess is Butt_....something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 09:14 PM
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His jaw game is too strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 09:02 PM
2

I have no idea what you are talking about in your OP now. What does it mean "to accept all of a woman" if "accepting all of a woman" includes sometimes dumping her. You clearing did not accept all of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 07:52 PM
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So you are defining unconditional love as "I still have some feelings for my ex's despite the fact that I dumped them"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 07:32 PM
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Seems unfair to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 07:00 PM
1

I never had this urge.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:51 PM
1

I agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:49 PM
1

Improving the man or herself?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:47 PM
1

Not just Love8Death, but Tyler_Gatsby, BPPremium, PaperStreetVilla, LewisCross, and even you have all mentioned that men and women love differently but I don't know what real behavioral differences they are actually observing. You mentioned that men's love is performative, but I don't understand why shaving our legs and pits, faking orgasms, and being sweet and bubbly is any less of a performance than going to the gym, being dominant in bed, and acting authoritative.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:45 PM
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Okay, did you answer my original question at all? I'm just confused now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:37 PM
2

So you didn't accept her despite all her flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:36 PM
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Is this what you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:35 PM
1

So suppose that person A prefers a partner that's good at sports and person B prefers a partner that is beautiful. What does that tells us about how they love each other? If person A stops being beautiful, will person B necessarily stop loving them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:33 PM
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But how does an outside observer know how either person A or person B feels?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:26 PM
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What does standards have to do with love? Does having very particular standards mean that you love someone who meets those standards less or more?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:24 PM
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Have you never broken up with a woman OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:39 PM
1

Now it sounds like you are arguing that men are hypergamous and branch swinging.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:35 PM
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It says that they evenly spaced the attractiveness groups. You are thinking that they just kept the ratings as is, but they didn't because it says they didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:32 PM
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No, you are reading it wrong lol. The y-axis displays the percentage of recipients who replied to the sent message. When the least attractive female senders send a message to the least attractive male senders, the men reply 35% of the time. When the least attractive male senders send a message to the least attractive women, the women reply 45% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:31 PM
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Ah, okay. Well good luck for when you try. Maybe you can find a sci-fi or comic book convention near you and find your own geeky lady.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:24 PM
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I don't see how you can really blame her for mistrusting you after that to be honest. You broke up with her. Even if I loved a guy I could never trust him again if he did this to me, despite how much he tried to prove his loyalty later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:22 PM
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https://theblog.okcupid.com/your-looks-and-your-inbox-8715c0f1561e Scroll down to the "Message Success by Attractiveness" graphs. There are two, one for female and one for male senders. You can compare the success rates between the two. This is what I was talking about. It's like you guys never read the second half of the blog for some reason lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:19 PM
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Most women find an exclusive LTR by their mid twenties. It's a minority of women that do what you are describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:15 PM
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I'm not saying they are high. I'm just asking why you don't lower them further if you are not having any success with the women you are currently pursuing? Can you literally not lower them any more than you already have?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:12 PM
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What you are saying doesn't match the graphs. The least attractive women reply to the least attractive men 45% of the time. The least attractive men reply to the least attractive women 35% of the time. So if anything, the least attractive men are ignoring their looks-matched counterparts more so than the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:11 PM
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If women are hypergamous and men are attracted to a wide variety of women, then why wouldn't lowering your standards work? You will satisfy her hypergamy and you will still be attracted to her any ways since you are a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:00 PM
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Why do RPillers always ignore the second half of that blog post?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 04:58 PM
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Oh sorry, I got you confused with a different guy that I was having a similar conversation with. Looking at the numerous online dating studies men are primarily going after women more attractive than themselves. Women are going after men more attractive than themselves too, but the point is that it's not a sex specific tendencies. Everyone aims high. If a woman has an overinflated perception of her SMV, then she will just price herself out of the market. This doesn't happen though, as most women…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 04:46 PM
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According to the study you linked men are going after women more attractive than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 04:28 PM
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Here’s the graph for female senders, plotted in evenly-spaced “attractiveness groups.” To put a number on it, men are reaching out to women 17 percentile points more attractive, and women contact men who are 10 percentile points more attractive. It also says 20 percent of men never get a message from women. What about them? Do they not count in your eyes? Most women don't message men at all. Also if you look at the OkCupid study the least attractive women responded to messages from the least att…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 04:15 PM
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There are an equal number of men and women in this world. If a woman is a 5, only men 1-5 will seriously consider having a relationship with her, maybe a 6 if she's lucky. Same for men. If a guy is a 5 he has women 1-5 available to him. The only people who really have limited options are the 1's and 2's.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 04:02 PM
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This is not specific to women. Very low value men and low value women have less options and will cling to their partners harder than more attractive people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 03:54 PM
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Why would they want us to agree that we don't love men? Do they want to feel like they are morally superior to us or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 03:52 PM
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Yes they did normalize it. You are just linking pictures of the graphs which tells us nothing. If you actually read the articles, they separated the profiles into evenly spaced attractiveness groups. Also, the study you linked that you agree is normalized still says that men end up going on dates with women more attractive than themselves so what are you complaining about? Men have the advantage because they initiate. It says exactly that in the study you linked.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 03:51 PM
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Guys will put more effort in early in the relationship for sure, but this always tapers off once the relationship settles. I think maybe the reason RPillers believe that men are more invested in relationships is because most of their relationships are relatively short or they only consider the initial pursuit and not the long term equilibrium state of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 03:43 PM
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Why did you break up with her the first time if you loved her?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 03:30 PM
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OP and LewisCross and BPremium.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 03:30 PM
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Yeah, but RPillers act like they do know women's inner thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 03:27 PM
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Didn't you break up with her originally though?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 03:26 PM
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The person who invests more is usually the lower value person, but this is true for men as well. Also, women only have lots of options to fuck, but that's not important to us and doesn't even factor into our decision to stay with someone or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 03:25 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 03:14 PM
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Men kill themselves more than women in general, whether it's due to a breakup or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 03:04 PM
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You say that 'true' love is loyalty+ putting up with shit. There exist relationships where women are loyal and put up with a lot of shit. So why is it not 'true' love when women do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 02:35 PM
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How could they want their man less if he's the one that breaks up with her. Obviously he wanted her less. Also, it would be impossible for me to replace my boyfriend. I could find another man, but he wouldn't be my boyfriend. Men find women more or less interchangeable as long as the new girl is equally hot or hotter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 02:32 PM
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OP was talking about love. He was saying that his experience is that he invests heavily into women and they still end up leaving him. Don't you think that women experience this too? If so, then how can he say that women are incapable of this kind of love?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 02:19 PM
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Do you think that men always have loving reasons for breaking up with women and women always have non-loving reasons? And you can tell based on how much shit he puts up with just to be with you. If he sticks around after he gets laid, he loves you or at least is well on his way. What about the shit women put up with? Does this not mean the same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 02:13 PM
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Yes but women are more attracted to men their own age. Men are perpetually attracted to 20 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 02:11 PM
3

What does this have to do with the capacity to love?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 02:09 PM
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How can you tell? If I break up with him then we could say that he loved me more, but what if he breaks up with me? Then wouldn't it be true that I love him more?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 02:05 PM
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Women also have to win the attention of men and keep them interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:39 AM
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Those feelings aren't particularly meaningful anyways. Think of them as your brain trying to trick you into falling in love so you'll breed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:34 AM
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I don't believe that. Men are attracted to youth and fertility which is necessarily transient. Women are attracted to status which is at least potentially sustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:20 AM
1

Define performance?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:06 AM
3

What are the different circumstances?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:05 AM
1

Display what? Women rarely ever stay in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:54 AM
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I had a guy like this once and he got tired of it and broke up with me so I don't put much value on his type of behavior any more. It passes once the limerence goes away. He was the one guy who actually seemed to crave intimacy as much as I did but he later confessed that he hated intimacy and was just playing along for my sake. So I kind of agree with you, but from the other side because I also poured everything I had into this guy but in the end he didn't want me. I just don't understand why y…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:52 AM
2

Why is he saying that women are incapable of this type of love then. Wouldn't it depend on who breaks up with who?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:41 AM
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That's what I'm asking you. I never know what people are talking about when they say this or "love someone for who they truly are". What does this mean in reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:27 AM
5

So if a woman stays with a guy after he beats her and molests her children it's true love?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:24 AM
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Can any redpiller tell me how to observe if someone loves someone for who they truly are or not? What are you really talking about? OP, you act like women never get dumped or their hearts broken. Also men don't love women, they just want to fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:20 AM
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You said you think it's a status issue, so my thought was to try to be classy as fuck so that guys don't think that you are the kind of girl to want a casual fling. Do you have a coed group of friends you hang out with?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 04:52 AM
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The piece explicitly said that men aim 7 percentile points higher. Percentile points...not ratings. Neither the study I linked nor the study you linked measured attractiveness based on ratings so I don't understand why you keep arguing this point. We always have this discussion and then a week later we are back to the beginning again.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 04:15 AM
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Okay. It sounds weird to me because most beta men I know are too shy to just say they want sex, but maybe we live among different types of people. How are you meeting these men btw?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 03:59 AM
1

Do you have a college degree?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 03:55 AM
1

What do you think the problem is then?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 03:17 AM
1

Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 03:12 AM
2

Hmm weird. I never had this problem, but I'm not black. I do have a white male friend that only dates black women, but like you said he only wants short term stuff. Do you think men tend use black women for sex only? Can you spot a beta guy? Most real beta men (not wanna be alphas) genuinely want relationships. Where do you meet guys? You could try to find a local tabletop game group like one for Magic the Gathering to meet beta guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 03:07 AM
1

Go after the men that women don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 02:59 AM
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You can get a decent man easily by approaching. Go after short guys or older guys who work retail because they will probably be thrilled to have an attractive woman talking to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 02:54 AM
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I would cold approach for my guy friends when I would wingman for them. It sucked and I hated doing it. We also had more luck when the guy approached and I just tagged along as a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 02:29 AM
1

It's got to be for some other reason than their looks then.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 02:13 AM
1

Someone who believes dating success is determined by your genetics I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 01:03 AM
1

Can I ask why?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 09:26 PM
1

I can't imagine a liberal version of Hank Hill. It's like trying to imagine a square sphere. Do you look at your parents relationship as inspiration or something that you want to avoid?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 09:22 PM
1

Good luck! I will be waiting to hear your results.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 09:17 PM
1

Awww =( That's horrible. I hate those awful people who made your life so miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 09:15 PM
1

Thanks for answering, but can you elaborate a little bit more? I'm interested in what you have to say, but you never say very much.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 09:14 PM
1

Will you try and socialize in RL?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 09:10 PM
1

What will you do with your free time now?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 08:58 PM
2

Thanks, I'll check these out later
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 08:00 PM
1

Why did it take years? Do you live in a small town? And sorry for so many questions, but why do you have to avoid children?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 07:59 PM
2

INTJ's are the most attractive to me, but I doubt they are ideal for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 07:57 PM
1

She was probably a bitch. Women who are creeped out easily lack empathy. They can't see that the guy's awkwardness is due to nervousness and not because he is predatory. But anyways, you were brave and took a risk. That's admirable. Have you tried at all since then?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 07:45 PM
1

Can you link some of them? I would be super interested to see some.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 07:39 PM
1

I just would like to see what exactly they are doing differently than normal BP people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 07:38 PM
1

Women have an advantage when they initiate, but they don't initiate. Since men initiate, they get this advantage. What do you think about this OKCupid study? To put a number on it, men are reaching out to women 17 percentile points more attractive, and women contact men who are 10 percentile points more attractive. It clearly says the opposite of what you are saying here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 07:26 PM
1

What did you try? Can you describe some of your experiences in detail?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 07:23 PM
1

Why aren't there any videos of RPillers in action picking up women? It would be so illuminating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 07:22 PM
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Possibly, but it's probably more heavily edited and embellished than completely fake. The announcer guy is the one who started the event when he attended a similar event some time ago and I think it was going on before the show ever started.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 07:08 PM
2

The longevity of relationships has little to do with attraction and more due to the problem solving abilities and habits of the people in the relationship. Attraction is important, but in most cases it is accounted for early in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 06:57 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPR9Q8YfjMA Jump to 6:18 to see the kind of woman he wants. Jump to 9:55 to see the kind of woman he actually gets. No point here, I just think it's interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 06:40 PM
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No I'm not joking, but I'm bad at this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 05:41 AM
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More men reported having a coital hookup than women, suggesting that a larger percentage of men are having hookups with a smaller percentage of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 05:45 PM
1

Online data shows that both men and women aim high.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 05:30 PM
1

Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 04:56 PM
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I don't want the hottest man. Chad can go fuck himself. He would never even cross my mind if it weren't for this subreddit. I want my man. The man that picked me and loves me and who I love back. Men are attracted to beautiful women and are happiest when with a beautiful woman, so that's what I need to be for my boyfriend. Not for Chad. Who gives a fuck about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 04:54 PM
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Also unattractive women responded more to unattractive men more so than the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 04:46 PM
1

Why are people with BPD in high demand?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 04:39 PM
1

Both are attractive (8 maybe?) and wouldn't be interested in me. I'm guessing that the second guy has a slightly above average number of sexual partners just because he looks like he might be into partying.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 04:18 PM
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Men's preferences are more uniform than you think. 90% of them want young, feminine, sexy, beautiful, thin women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 03:58 PM
2

I'm remembering another study linked here that looked at hookups among college students and the number of men who had hookups was greater than the number of women. Edit: Here's the study While there was no overall sex difference in the likelihood of engaging in hookup experiences, there were sex differences in the prevalence of coital and noncoital hookup experiences. More males reported coital hookups and more females reported noncoital hookups. This is consistent with previous research that ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 03:54 PM
1

Borderline Personality Disorder?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 03:18 PM
1

I mean the percentages of men and women who have hookups is about the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 12:40 PM
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There aren't enough men who like masculine women to go around. Even beta Bobs love beautiful women. Before I started dressing nicer I didn't ever get approached. Looking good is necessary to attract men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 07:12 AM
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We aren't wearing skin tight clothing and spending 2 hours on our hair just for the hell of it. We sexualize ourselves because this is what men want and respond to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 06:54 AM
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They have more value in the American RMV/SMV, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 06:49 AM
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Men like women based on how they look physically. If a woman is hotter, he will like her more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 06:45 AM
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Yeah but why care so much about that? Does that translate into dating status? When the hottest woman walks into the room, all the guys look at her, not just Chad. Maybe the other guys won't try for her because they don't have a chance. But it still sucks because when you are dating one of those guys and he thinks he has a chance with her, you suddenly become old news.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 06:33 AM
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Yes, but that doesn't happen. Maybe in the SMP, but I even doubt this since the number of hookups for men and women are about the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 06:13 AM
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Yes, because people will be nice when it benefits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 06:04 AM
2

They obviously don't do this because they respect women's approval.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 06:02 AM
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You have only listed the metrics by which men excel. To try and determine who is better factually, if you even can, you'd have to list all the qualities of men and women, who is better, and by how much. You might also attach a weight to model the importance of each characteristic because obviously some qualities are more important than others. But then you run into more complications because not everyone even agrees on which qualities are more important. A more natural and easier measure of some…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 05:58 AM
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He's not saying that women don't bring anything, just that men wish they could bring less.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 03:28 AM
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So you think that there aren't any non bitchy women who match your intelligence and looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 03:00 AM
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Is this another way of saying that men don't think women contribute as much to the relationship as they do? If so, why? What can women do to be valued by men more?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 01:24 AM
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Yeah, but not very often. I worry about getting old and him falling in love with a younger women more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 12:15 AM
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Convince her to start a harem and you, her husband and I can all share her.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 12:11 AM
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I like theiamsamurai. His unabashed hatred of women is better than that annoying "I love women, but I just think they are retarded manipulative children who are incapable of love, loyalty, honor, or anything good." He owns his shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 12:01 AM
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How do you talk to women romantically?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/17 05:09 AM
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I don't know anyone that bad. They won't initiate a conversation, but they will say hi back to me and stuff. Do guys like that have jobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/17 05:06 AM
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I think incel intj's bury themselves in their work and don't care about women because they are more fascinated by solving some logical problem than relationships. The guy who sits next to me in my office is like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/17 02:02 AM
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Don't pick on my buddy or I will cut you!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/17 05:21 AM
1

Yeah I always do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/17 11:53 AM
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Honestly I don't think hyperrreal read it. He probably just looked at the title. ER doesn't seem like a Nice Guy to me. He"s seems more narcissistic like another person said on your thread. He was angry that people didn't reflect his own image of themselves which is typical of NPD. Also I think being nice is actually an effective strategy, but being a gentleman is not. I'm a woman though so I don't know how it is being a man. Have you ever tried being an 'asshole'? Did it work for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/17 04:34 AM
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It was more about Nice Guys than incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/17 04:08 AM
1

What is social pinging?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/17 02:56 AM
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Any two lol. If I were to observe a couple, how could I tell "Oh, he loves her, but she doesn't make him happy" or "Oh, she respects him, but she doesn't love him". How could I tell the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/17 02:11 AM
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What is the observable difference between the two?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/17 01:58 AM
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Why do you think he loves me?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/17 01:55 AM
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You seem pretty smart to me. I doubt the inside of their brains looks much different than yours. What sets them apart from other people is that they are extremely motivated. I think being unique and interesting can be very inspirational to others. People will notice you and learn from you. They will take pieces of your personality that they like and incorporate it into their own. You can change people for the better this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/17 01:26 AM
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Oh, well I haven't noticed I guess. I don't have a problem with either type though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/17 12:26 AM
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I thought that's why we capitalize NiceGuys to distinguish between them and regular uncapitalized nice guys. Sometimes they even add a little (TM) after it to be extra clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/17 12:11 AM
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I don't believe in internet stories where the woman gives no indication of romantic interest and then the guy later erupts in rage when she rejects him.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 11:29 PM
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Does ownership = exclusive and consistent sexual access or something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 11:02 PM
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Of course they do. Both men and women put effort into making each other happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 10:41 PM
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No, you don't HAVE to "do stuff" to "make him happy". You have to "do stuff" to make the relationship work. That's just "going through life" nuts and bolts stuff. I don't understand the distinction. I have to make him happy in order to make the relationship work. And the 'doing stuff' isn't really why he loves you and cares about you. He loves you and cares about you BECAUSE YOU ARE THERE and YOU BELONG TO HIM. The doing stuff is part of who I am. It's my behavior. If I stopped doing all the thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 10:39 PM
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Yeah, I think I've only genuinely rejected a guy once in my life. All the other times I was already in a relationship or in a budding relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 10:30 PM
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Nice guys are usually orbiters.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 10:21 PM
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My boyfriend is as good as they come. He's stuck by me through some hard times and forgiven me for a lot of my past mistakes. I don't think I would ever be able to find another guy that's as laid back and tolerant as he is. However, I still have to do stuff to make him happy. He's not content with me just existing beside him. In fact, if he was content with this, I'd be worried that something was wrong. When people don't care what you do, it usually means they don't care about you. All I'm sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 10:20 PM
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I hope so, although PPD sometimes convinces me that they are rarer than I originally imagined.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 09:59 PM
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We aren't as soft and beautiful and happy and good as men want us to be. This takes effort on our part.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 09:57 PM
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I agree with complacency some what, but I think men value novelty more.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 09:55 PM
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Because she represents softness, beauty, and goodness in a harsh, ugly and evil world. This is the woman's performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 09:54 PM
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I don't understand what you mean by "doesn't work". What bad thing happens? The guy asks you to hang out, you say no. He asks again, you say no again. This happens ten more times. Then what?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 09:47 PM
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One step at a time lol. I think if you raise the bar too high girls will refuse to jump at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 09:38 PM
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They can keep itching to get closer all they want. They can ask you to go see a movie with you every weekend. They can send you a text every night. Just keep up your boundaries and they will get the idea even if they keep trying to convince you otherwise. It's only when women start giving in and saying "well...I also go to the movies with my girlfriends" or start thinking "I don't know for certain that he really likes me" that it ever becomes a problem. Every time you tell him yes, he feels he c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 09:33 PM
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You don't have to confront him directly. Just keep strong relationship boundaries up. Like if you had a boyfriend, would you be texting another guy for hours late at night? Of course not. It has romantic implications. Same thing if you are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 09:16 PM
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It's not her duty, but it's the kind thing to do. Also, the guy does make moves on her, and she gives ambiguous or even encouraging responses in order to keep him in a perpetual state of pursuit. It's the same thing guys do when they avoid the relationship talk and conceal his intentions in order to keep getting sex without commitment. Imagine a girl saying "I love you" to a guy, but then later correcting it as "oh I just meant that I love you as a friend". This is cruel, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 08:44 PM
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Sure. Remind me in a week or so and I'll add you as a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 08:11 PM
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When you are basically a kid, it's understandable that you wouldn't know. But I refuse to believe that women in their 20's are being showered with attention from a guy and somehow are still clueless that he's into them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 08:06 PM
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After 16 though didn't you figure out that some guys do this to get close to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 07:50 PM
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The first time, sure. But if they keep having sex, and the relationship appears to be progressing into more serious territory, it's immoral of him to string her along and let the relationship progress naturally if he already knows he's not interested. Maybe they never even said it was casual. Maybe he avoids the topic because he has a good thing going and doesn't want to ruin it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 07:49 PM
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He is asking non verbally, and she is saying yes over and over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 07:43 PM
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He is happy being her friend. He's also sending out small feelers to see if she is interested in taking the relationship further. She plays along because she knows what would happen if she gave him a hard no. He would stop pursuing her and she wants to keep him on the line as long as possible. She justifies it in her head by thinking "Well I don't really know if he's into me or not, and I don't want to be arrogant and assume". Now I know it's not malicious. She really likes him and wants to keep…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 07:42 PM
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I will give women the benefit of the doubt in some situations, but if the guy is texting you late at night, wanting to hang out alone all the time, giving you hugs goodbye....I mean how is this not obvious? Women don't have to even confront it directly. They just don't need to encourage it (but they do).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 07:24 PM
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She doesn't know that. Not for certain, but she has a good idea. She is "showered by attention" from her girlfriends all the time, why should she believe the motivation is different just because it's coming from a boy? Of course it makes a difference that it's coming from a boy. If an age appropriate guy approaches you at a coffee shop, makes small talk, and then asks you to go to a concert with him that evening, you'd assume that he was interested in you. If it was a girl, you'd assume she just…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 07:19 PM
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We use non-verbal communication all the time in our relationships. It's not necessarily a covert contract if he's make clear indications (albeit non-verbal) that he's romantically interested. Ironically it's BP women that are always telling the men here that they need to understand social nuance and read other people's body language. I don't know why they don't argue the same in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 07:09 PM
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She does have a reason though. The guy is showering her with attention. 99% of the time this means he is romantically interested in her. These guys are the best. They don't pressure you for sex and actually want to get to know you. We are punishing them for this behavior by playing dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 06:52 PM
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Is agree with your larger message, but I want to argue against one point that I feel detracts from the issue. Not you? The one who's been using him for free dates, free food, endless favors, an emotional tampon and someone to entertain you when bored? Women genuinely want to be friends with the guy. They aren't using him for favors, they enjoy his company and I don't see anything wrong with that. Sometimes they might even be considering him as a potential romantic interest. The problem is that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 06:47 PM
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If they are such close friends, then why not bring he topic up? She won't because she knows it might risk losing him.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 06:37 PM
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They have a good idea what's going on they just push their suspicions to the side because it seems arrogant to assume that someone is into you when they haven't made it explicit yet. Also they may be on the fence about him so they don't want to potentially lose out by giving him a hard no. They plan on just seeing how it goes at the guy's expense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 06:36 PM
2

Relationship are ended 50/50 by the boyfriend/girlfriend though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 04:58 PM
5

Psychologically people deal with a situation better if they feel like it was their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 04:43 PM
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We aren't objecting to Rollo's masculine frame by any definition. We are just saying it's not rational, because it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 04:20 PM
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Oh, me too. I'd pick it up again though if you wanted to play sometime.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 03:48 PM
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Well you are the last person that needs to worry about being unique. You have an interesting personality that comes across strongly online.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 03:47 PM
1

Do you play LoL?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 03:39 PM
2

How do you think that affected you? Did you feel abandoned by him?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 03:29 PM
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I'm just saying that the women adapting is more typical.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 03:28 PM
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If he takes away more than adds, chances are she will leave. What other reason would there be?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 03:26 PM
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Men and women care about different things though. If we were to make the standards equal we'd have to demand that men start shaving their legs and dating women their own age. But why would we want that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 03:25 PM
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Having a masculine frame is different from being rational. Rollo just uses the word to give his work more authority and to appeal to the egos of his readers who like to imagine themselves as rational people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 02:51 PM
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LewisCross is right except the about the "happier" part. You had to pick a man who shares your lifestyle because you know that you'll have to mold to him, and you wanted to fit into a particular mold. This is why guys don't care so much about a girls interests. They know that she will adapt to him regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 02:40 PM
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The man adds value to her life, or at least doesn't take away from it. That's the only reason anyone ever stays in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 02:32 PM
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I am not assuming that women lead men on for kicks. This is about being aware of non verbal communication and understanding when people are signaling romantic interest in you. Some women will avoid communicating lack of interest even though it's painfully obvious that the guy is into them. They offer passive encouragement for the guy to emotionally invest. Maybe there is some off chance that they don't realize they are doing it, or they don't realize how hurtful it is, and that's why it's import…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 02:23 PM
1

How long was your longest relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 02:13 PM
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No, of course not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 01:21 PM
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I am the expert on this situation lol. When I was the Nice Girl, I tried to make a move but the guy said he didn't want to do anything yet out of respect for his ex girlfriend (they just had broke up). I believed him until he started having sex with another girl and then of course I realized that he just didn't like me as much as I thought. When I was on the opposite side, I think the guys never made a move because they assumed that I didn't like them when I actually did.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 07:01 AM
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I agree with this. If anyone ever tells you a story where they seemingly did everything perfect to make the relationship work, but their horrible ex ruined everything, then the truth is most likely that this person has trouble taking responsibility for their actions and will blame you for everything in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 06:37 AM
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Cool. Note that the woman also has a lot more power in this situation. Even if she says outright that she just sees him as a friend, he might be so afraid of losing her that he will agree to anything. Women shouldn't assume that he's in a rational frame of mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 06:24 AM
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You've never seen someone lead someone on before?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 06:13 AM
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Did she tell you all of this? It sounds like she has been bashing her ex husband to you which seems a bigger red flag to me than the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 05:59 AM
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It feels arrogant to presume that he is into you, but you are hurting your friend by giving him passive encouragement to keep emotionally investing in you. You don't have to call him out. Just don't dance on the line between friendship and romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 05:45 AM
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All men and women have plenty in common, they want love, romance, a relationship. What else is actually needed? What would you do together?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 05:31 AM
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Nah, I watched every episode of that show. Most of the girls really liked the guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 05:18 AM
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I think my situation is more realistic than the ghost stories you find on the internet. If a guy is showering you with attention, then he's into you. I don't think women are oblivious to this. The kind thing to do is to shut it down before the guy gets any more emotionally invested. Women don't want to do this because they want to keep him open as an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 05:09 AM
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If I was interested in a guy I would try and be his friend to get to know him and see if we are compatible and if he likes me. I would ask him to hang out a lot. Send him late night texts. I would hug him hello and goodbye. I would offer to pay for his lunch and buy him stuff that I knew he liked. I'd give him compliments on his appearance. This is still in the realm of platonic friendship, but isn't it exceedingly obvious that I like him? If he is encourages my behavior then why wouldn't I assu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 04:33 AM
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Every women gets the same boost as her for being a woman so none of this makes her competition any easier. Maybe her makeup skills makes a difference though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 04:02 AM
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That could be true even if she doesn't wear makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 03:48 AM
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Looking like a football player definitely helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 03:38 AM
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It's on youtube. Not all of the episodes have happy endings, but sometimes the couples really seem like they are in love! It cheered me up a little so maybe it will help you feel better too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 03:21 AM
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Nah, being skinnier is more important for women than men. Edit: Here's some study and shit. In addition to these preferences concerning the level of a partner’s BMI, we also find that both men and women have preferences concerning the relative BMI of a potential mate. Men somewhat prefer women with a BMI that is lower than their own and dislike women with a larger BMI. Women, on the other hand, somewhat prefer men with a BMI that is larger than their own but dislike men with a lower BMI. Overall…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 03:05 AM
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Did you watch any of the episodes nwm? They might give you some hope. The host says they have been very successful with 1 marriage, 10 engagements, and 50 seriously dating couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 03:03 AM
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The women were overweight too though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 01:17 AM
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By declining offers that would typically be interpreted as a forward step in a romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 01:15 AM
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Look at their faces when a bunch of "average" guys walk into a speed dating event with a bunch of "average" women. They are all just standing there smiling.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 12:37 AM
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I think BP has the wrong idea about what goes on in the relationship between a Nice Guy and his crush. The girl isn't oblivious to his romantic interest. She knows what's going on but doesn't want to make anything explicit since she is benefiting from the ambiguity. Maybe she is on the fence about him or doesn't have any other prospects at the time, so she plays clueless. Then a better option comes along and she suddenly loses all interest in her Nice guy. It is the exact same thing guys do when…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 11:54 PM
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Her attractiveness is based on her relative beauty compared to other women and not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 09:21 PM
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Yes. I don't understand your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 08:40 PM
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It doesn't need to be, but people will justify their behavior in order to preserve their self image. They will try to make their decisions look like they were motivated by logic, external circumstances, or fairness instead of their personal preferences and desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 08:33 PM
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The AF/BB construction is the way to justify this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 08:19 PM
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Didn't you just give the explanation? The male sexual imperative is sex with as many young fertile females as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 07:53 PM
2

Damn. You are incredibly self aware. I have struggled with the exact same thing before but never thought about it in such detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 07:40 PM
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They try to justify it anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 07:36 PM
2

That's your mistake. Men and women's SMV are judged by different standards since the qualities they value in each other differ.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 07:18 PM
2

So hypergamy means that women choose men that are different than themselves and better in some ways? Won't this be true regardless of who she chooses?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 03:22 PM
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So he is not globally better, but better in some way?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 03:14 PM
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If men all thought that the women they are dating are their equals, how would they come to the conclusion that women only date men better than themselves? If they believed their girlfriends to be better or equal, then they would use their own dating lives as a counterexample to hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 03:03 PM
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Marginally better in what way?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 02:49 PM
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Hypergamy isn't the preference for a specific trait but a judgement on the comprehensive relative value of two people. The only way to observe hypergamy is to make the judgement "I'm better than most of the women I date."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 01:41 PM
2

Why is genuine female affection difficult for you to comprehend?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 01:36 PM
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Have you been paying attention to any of the Tinder/online studies and experiments using male model pics that show women have an overwhelming preference to favor the most atttactive men? There are no controls in these experiments and are created simply to push an agenda. You can look at the message distribution vs. attractiveness on any of the dating studies and see that both men and women aim high. This is where i disagree with you. Believe me, im talking about the most boring, most plain jane …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 07:51 AM
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The alternative is to watch the women you love disappear from your life to form relationships with other men. Or you can just rotate through women fast enough so that you don't get attached to them. Or you can find a woman who doesn't care about getting married. Or you can just string your girlfriend along indefinitely with empty promises. You have a lot of options. It's whatever you want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 07:35 AM
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He learned something that doesn't work, which is more than he would have accomplished by sitting in his room all day. What was the purpose of commenting on her appearance multiple times?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 07:16 AM
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It's not best to think in terms of "better than" or "more attractive than" when considering this. How do you talk about hypergamy without using these terms? I get what you're saying, but what if they can actually see the cock carousel? Not just imagining it, but seeing it as a concept from the women around them and that they hear about from others? They pay selective attention to sexually available and abnormally promiscuous women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 07:06 AM
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Do you think men more commonly think that they are better or equal to the women they date?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 06:55 AM
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What evidence? Men primarily message the hottest women on dating websites. Has it ever occurred to you that many men do objectively aim within their own SMV but only encounter women who feel like they deserve a Chad? Has it ever occured to you that perhaps women are the ones with the inflated egos and feel like any sub-Chad man isn't worth her time even is she's not all that spectacular herself? Some women are definitely like this. I've seen it myself. However, if every women you approach seems …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 06:49 AM
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Men's sexual desire also decreases as they age, although not as quickly as women's. Having sex with your wife after ten years won't be as exciting as it was when you first started dating. Sure seems like a raw deal. It depends on what you want. Personally it is worth it to me because I have an easier time maintaining relationships than forming new ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 06:39 AM
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In order for men to observe hypergamy, it must be necessary for them to think "I am better than the women I date and sleep with". Otherwise it would be a non issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 06:14 AM
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They eventually find a guy they are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 04:16 AM
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Yeah, I can't argue with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 04:08 AM
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Some of them, but they are the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 04:07 AM
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The problem was never that women are marrying men they aren't attracted to, because women's sexual desire fades regardless of who she married.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 04:00 AM
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Most women don't want to share a man they are sexually attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 03:55 AM
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Women also lose interest in Alphas, probably even faster than they do betas. Alpha behavior gets obnoxious quick.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 03:52 AM
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That is their solution to the problem of BB, hence my suspicion that it was their motivation to begin with. They create a problem that justifies their desire to fuck young women with no commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 03:42 AM
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The market determines someone's value. If you perceive someone consistently getting a high quality mate than you believe they are worth, then you have underestimated their value. not saying that they don't have reason for doing this, but men perceive it as "unfair" that men go "lower" more commonly than women do, which there is also reason for Men perceive it as unfair because they want to fuck women hotter than themselves. I know it isn't. Not entirely, anyway. You're saying that men idealize t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 03:28 AM
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It's what women think they want. I'm not saying that they would actually like it if they got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 01:48 AM
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Women want their romantic partner to also be their best friend. That's the appeal of gay men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 01:44 AM
2

As long as it's bitchiness towards other people and not you, it can be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 01:17 AM
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Umm... It's a concept based on certain behaviors that are exhibited. There IS evidence that exists to support it, should people be inclined to look such things... There is evidence that both men and women aim high. The observation that leads to a man thinking that all women are hypergamous is that he pursues women with higher SMV that he mistakenly thinks are his peers in the SMP. Instead of thinking "I aimed too high" when he fails, he instead thinks "women don't want someone on their level". H…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 01:06 AM
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Women want men. Men just can't get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 12:46 AM
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Even unmarried men are preemptively resentful of being BB.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 12:39 AM
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I can tell the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 12:34 AM
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I think most of the advice pushed by groups with a shared ideology is motivated by their agenda and not actually helping the person. For an example, if I asked for relationship advice, I guarantee that most redpillers would say something like 'don't be a huge bitch and fuck him regularly' regardless of what my actual problem is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 12:33 AM
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AWALT is about men not women. AFBB is an expression of the male desire to fuck a rotation of young women and their resentment over having to settle down with their older wives. Hypergamy is an expression of their anger over women not wanting to fuck them. The cock carousel is what men would do if given the options of women, projected on to women. Chad is the man they want to be, not the women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 12:18 AM
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Yeah. A man with a male body and female brain is the ideal for a lot of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 12:07 AM
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I just never found any of their advice useful and I can't relate to any of the women there. Other than that I have no problem with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 11:46 PM
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Not all guys value sexual success or see it as an aim worth striving for.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 11:24 PM
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If it worked for the normies, then who are you to say it was bad advice? Maybe they already knew to be confident and dress nice (duh), but they came off as a try hard or fake. You don't know what their problem was, so there is no way for you to know if your advice is any better than 'be yourself'.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 09:22 PM
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True betas are rare because most men want to be alphas.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 09:13 PM
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It sounds like you more or less agree with me that a piece of advice can be good or bad depending on the recipient and what their problem is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 09:06 PM
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Do you think my boyfriend would give me the time of day if we had met ten years from now?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 08:16 PM
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I argued that it was bad advice for awhile but enough people told me it worked for them. Same with RPW. I think the advice they give women is stupid, but enough women said it worked for them that now I accept that some people need to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 07:58 PM
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Those are different people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 07:42 PM
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They say it helped them though. I don't see why I shouldn't believe them. It was never helpful to me, but why should we assume that good advice will be helpful to everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 07:39 PM
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Yes, absolutely. If you are a woman and can compete at the top level, people will take note. Before you get to this point though, it's easy for doubt to seep in. A lot of really smart people think they are dumber than their peers (see imposter effect).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 07:37 PM
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Plenty of people say that it was useful to them. It wasn't useful to you and me because we are weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 07:32 PM
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I would only base my guess on those same studies. What do you want to hear? The experiences of my male friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 07:31 PM
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"Just be yourself" is useful to normies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 07:21 PM
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Can you give us a concrete example of how the best BP advice and the best RP advice would differ? You say that BP makes the mistake of assuming that human sexuality is a separate force from the rest of our evolved traits, but I would say that RP relies on theories of human evolution that make intuitive sense, and this intuitive approach to truth is what BP rejects.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 07:19 PM
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I have no idea. I don't believe that only the top 20% of men can get casual sex though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 06:22 PM
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It's not even anyone's fault. I think most people want women to succeed and will even help them more in male dominated fields than they would if they were men. People like to cheer for the underdog, and also they don't want to have to deal with the uncomfortable implications of a woman failing in a stem field. However, this isn't helping women, because it's just raising the stakes even higher so that their failure is more meaningful and therefore a bigger threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 08:49 AM
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If women reward shitty, asshole men with sex, then shouldn't a high n-count in men be a token of shame rather than pride?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 08:35 AM
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I think you are very close to the right idea. For men CS is 'safe' not because they can float by, but because they can fail without being in the spotlight. No one cares if a man takes a programming class and gets a D. However, when a woman takes the same class, she will stand out just because she is unique. Since she's one of the few women, people will notice how she does. If she fails, some people will use her example to confirm their belief that woman aren't as logical as men. Perhaps even she…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 08:15 AM
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That's not defending aspects of the KKK.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 07:52 AM
1

What's been going on these past months?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 07:31 AM
2

Are you being sarcastic? I can never tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 07:40 PM
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This would give strength to the idea that most men are not able to have casual sex. One of the studies said that 53% of men have had friends with benefits compared to 40% of women. Other studies people have posted here said that roughly 80% of male college students have had some form of hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 07:15 PM
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He might, and you don't really know. But if he approached you, then you can almost be sure that he has approached other women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 07:10 PM
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Men and women are competing for the same jobs and the same money, but we aren't competing for the same mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 10:23 AM
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Toxic masculinity is "in order to be a man you must fit into masculine archetype xyz". How does OP's example of toxic femininity fit into "in order to be a woman you must fit into feminine archetype xyz".?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 02:51 AM
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It makes a difference because everyone acts to uphold the system, not just those in power.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 02:21 AM
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The patriarchy is a social system, not a group of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 02:09 AM
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That's not what toxic masculinity is though. Toxic masculinity is the gender role pushed upon men that harms them and others. It seems like you are just talking about bad female behavior which is something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 02:07 AM
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Then they didn't understand it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 01:57 AM
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You probably learned about it from the manosphere. They never understand the concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 01:55 AM
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No we understood you. You are just arguing against something that no one believes. Toxic masculinity was never said to be enforced by men only or even primarily by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 01:45 AM
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Toxic masculinity was never something that only men enforce.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 01:40 AM
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Yes. Who told you otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 01:35 AM
4

How is this the analog to toxic masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 01:28 AM
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I agree. The two main benefits are that you can pick the kind of man you want, and you can be more confident that he's not approaching other women. However I don't think (sober) women will ever cold approach men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 11:59 PM
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Can I come stay at your house while I recover from my reddit addiction?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 06:31 PM
3

The best way to find someone with a healthy approach to relationships is to look at their family relationships and childhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 06:21 PM
1

Yeah, sluts fuck them. You are right, sluts don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 03:48 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 03:44 AM
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It shows that slutty men end up with slutty women, prude men end up with prude women, and slutty/slutty and prude/prude couples are happier than slutty/prude couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 03:37 AM
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Women don't reward stable, dependable, and morally outstanding men with sex. Isn't that one of the key points of RP?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 03:17 AM
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I guess we agree on everything then.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 07:27 PM
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Whether or not something is impressive depends on who's being asked. Men find high n-count guys impressive. Women either don't care or find it gross. The minecraft analogy actually fits pretty well. For someone who plays the game, the block city will be impressive. For someone who doesn't, they'll probably just think it's a stupid waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 07:11 PM
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I don't even think it's impressive. If someone partied every day throughout college or ate 500 hamburgers in one sitting, I'd just think they were stupid despite how difficult the task. Same with players. They put a lot of effort into something stupid which makes them even stupider than someone who doesn't try at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 06:58 PM
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Congratulating men on having a high n-count is like congratulating someone for eating a mattress. Yeah it takes a lot of effort, but you have to be a little messed up in the head to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 06:47 PM
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yo_radical_one deleted his account =( If you are out there buddy, take care of yourself!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 06:30 PM
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Why would you understand how a man sees this "attracted for a relationship" thing? You're not a man. Because guys tell me they can separate sex from love. Is this not true? To know that you're little more than a walking wallet to a woman, that the only reason she picked you is because you had a job and her other boyfriends/fuckbuddies didn't, that the only reason she picked you is because "it's time to get married and get off the carousel and get serious and stop having fun", that the only reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 06:24 PM
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Like I told Lewis, I think I will never understand this unless I experience it first hand myself. Love and sexual attraction may not be exactly the same thing but they are so tightly woven together that it seems impossible to untangle them. In a previous relationship, my attraction turned to disgust almost immediately when I found out he was cheating on me. It was his failure as a relationship partner that turned me off.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 06:00 PM
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I don't think I will ever understand this. I mean, the money part I get, but the character of a man, the parts that make him a good father and partner are part of his sexual attraction. Maybe Atlas can explain this, but the times I have totally lost attraction to a guy were when I lost respect for him as a partner. Nothing about him changed physically or even personality-wise, yet now he seemed disgusting to me. For a concrete example, when my ex cheated on me, I could no longer stomach the idea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 05:56 PM
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I was just going along with the guy I replied to. Gotta pick your battles.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 07:13 AM
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I like the way the first man looks a lot. If he took off his eyeliner I'd give him a 9-10. He doesn't look that feminine to me though. He also has a long face which I like. The other two guys seem to be purposefully trying to look like women. I feel neutral about them because they just look like women to me. Knowing they have penises makes them a little more attractive, but in a weird, lesbian way. They are also more beautiful than me so I automatically assume that they wouldn't be into me. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 06:58 AM
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I can't read MRP or any RP subreddits without hating everyone so I don't go there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 02:27 AM
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A better comparison would be between a Bruce Willis type and a man with a positive feminine personality. Crying (assumedly over trivial stuff) and having difficulty making decisions are negative traits and not even attractive to men. Maybe find a guy who smiles a lot and has a bubbly as a feminine example. I can't think of any though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 02:00 AM
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How can you separate the traits that make a guy a good father from the traits that make him a good lover? They seem the same to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 01:19 AM
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When RP guys talk about BB it's usually from the women's point of view (women have their fun fucking alphas in their youth and then settle for a beta). I wanted to hear it from the man's point of view.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 01:13 AM
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He telling us this because I asked though. It was asked with him in mind as he probably knew because we argue over this all the time. If you didn't want to hear about BB, why click on a thread asking men about their experiences with being BB?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 05:02 PM
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Come on....Lewis is opening up and telling us something personal and you're going to attack him over it? Can you save it for some other time?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 04:54 PM
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Sorry you have a shitty wife. Why does any of the rest of it matter to you? What difference does it make to a Blue? I want to understand where you are coming from and humanize you in my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 04:48 PM
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Thanks for your reply. I had you in mind when typing up this post. It makes sense why you argue for BB all the time since you've personally experienced it. It seems like your wife married you for money, is that right? If your wife is just content with keeping the money rolling in, then why do you think you are no longer a BB? Also, are you happy in your marriage? Do you think your wife loves you and do you love your wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 04:44 PM
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It seems reasonable to assume that sexual attraction is at least somewhat linked with marital satisfaction. Also in your scenario, why would men be more satisfied being a deadbedroomed doormat with a hot wife than having more sex and power with someone Les attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 02:40 PM
2

What do you like about dominant women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 04:29 AM
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Is it's about bags and putting your feet up, why is it called manspreading? Women put their purses on seats all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 02:55 AM
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Oh he only counted unsolicited messages. That's why.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 01:46 AM
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What dating site is that from?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 01:08 AM
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Why are there thousands more men than women in that table?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 01:00 AM
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Why are you dating her?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 11:03 PM
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What are you talking about then? You said they don't need to have their knees slammed shut, but at what point does it become too much spread?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 10:58 PM
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I found the weirdest thing. It's this Muslim feminist group that believes women are superior. To make it even weirder, the group consists of a harem of blond barbie-doll muslims called kittens. They all live in this big mansion and have their own tv show where they alternate discussing topics and bobbing their heads in their seats to pop music. At one point the leader mentions that women are superior because they are better at cleaning lol. Here's the video
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 10:55 PM
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How are guys sitting that is bothersome to you? Are you just talking about when they have their knees spread apart?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 10:47 PM
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She will not be attracted at all to male 4s and below. If she's in a relationship with a male 4 or below, she is almost always miserable. She hates the guy. In exchange for staying with him, she runs the relationship, wears the pants, makes all the decisions, and treats him like shit. There is a least one study that shows it's the exact opposite. Women who are married to more attractive men are less satisfied than women who are married to more attractive men. Men who are married to less attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 10:32 PM
1

Okay. Well I'll try to be a little less judgemental towards high n-count guys then.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 10:22 PM
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Huh, I never thought that guys could go through that too. You are the first one to tell me this. I really only know one high count guy in real life. He just gets bored after a month and dumps the girl. It happens over and over and over again. I guess I assumed most high n count guys were like him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 09:50 PM
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I never sensed any kind of vulnerability from you. You seem very sure of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 09:45 PM
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Do guys try to form relationships with women, but can't for some reason? If they want relationships, then how do they get high n counts?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 09:16 PM
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I disagree that women fake interest to get sex as much as men do. Women lie in other ways, like gold digging is primarily a female behavior. Being a player is a male behavior. Seems obvious to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 05:53 PM
1

As often as men see multiple women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 05:40 PM
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I have flairs turned off. I'm taking the RP stance that women want relationships and men want sex. This is why there are male players and not female players. Women don't have to do anything to convince men to have sex with them. Men will have to convince women somehow, because there are not enough women who want NSA sex to go around. The easiest way to convince women is by feigning interest in a relationship. There is no need for women to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 05:40 PM
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Aren't you RP?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 05:21 PM
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Women don't generally spin plates, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 05:20 PM
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We met on the subreddit associated with our city actually. And yes, when my depression was really bad I didn't want to be around anyone so that was a big strain on our relationship. He told me he was unhappy with the way things were, and the fear of losing him was my only motivation to get better. It took me a long time and I still struggle with it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 04:28 PM
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I was given both good and bad advice, but it was easier for me to learn which was good and which was bad because male sexuality is more straight forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 03:21 PM
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I was a nice girl in my last relationship. I think it's natural to try to make people like you buy being nice and doesn't have anything to do with the kind of dating advice you received. However, I think what we were told about women and men determine how we interpret the situation after the fact. For women our explanation is more likely to be "the other girl was hotter" rather than "we were too nice".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 02:49 PM
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Yes, that's right, although I'm sure it happens sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 08:34 AM
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If most women want a relationship, how do you think guys are able to rack up high numbers?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 08:28 AM
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Which part? I said the part about relationships applies to women too. As far as dishonesty, I don't believe high n count women get that way by leading men on in order to get them to have sex with them lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 08:22 AM
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If a guy is trying to find a relationship but girls keeps leading him on or dumping him, then he's fine, but the majority of high n count men aren't like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 08:19 AM
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I would much rather date a virgin than a high n count guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 05:23 AM
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There are more guys looking for NSA sex than there are girls. In order to remedy this imbalance, men will pretend that they are interested in a relationship when they are not. I don't care if they are high value or not, guys do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 04:56 AM
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Actions aren't immoral because they increase the risk of you committing future immoral actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 04:51 AM
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Not all, but you don't know which ones are honest so it's still a big red flag. Also, even if he was honest he might have a high n count because he sucks at maintaining relationships. This is true for women too though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 04:31 AM
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Men use dishonest means to get laid. That's where the judgement comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 04:08 AM
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If everyone is upfront and honest I don't have a problem with it, but realistically I know that's not how it always goes down. They might not hurt the guys using them as a cum receptacle, but they most definitely hurt those that foolishly choose to care aobut them. How do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 04:06 AM
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I might try and read it. I'll let you know what I think if I do!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 03:22 AM
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I don't really see people deriding virgins for being virgins here, so I can't comment on that. I do make more negative generalizations about male sluts, because I think in order to be a male slut you have to be somewhat dishonest or at least ambiguous about your intentions. I think they must have low empathy or something else wrong with them. Female sluts can also have issues, but they don't really hurt anyone but themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 03:17 AM
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What the authors did was take a pretty radicalized incel community similar to r/incels (even though at the time there were at least three other large incel communities on the English-speaking web, all of which were far more reasonable) and then went out of their way to pick out three really unreasonable posters as subjects. And then went further out of their way to provoke those subjects into expressing outrageous and silly views. Hmm I must be desensitized towards all these topics because none …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 08:40 PM
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You have autism yo_radical_one? Well time to throw out all my stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 08:23 PM
1

Uh oh. I think she found him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 03:57 PM
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That sucks so bad. I'm kind of mad at her for even starting a relationship with you if she wasn't ready for one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 03:55 PM
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In his video he said women were messaging him on Tinder but he didn't respond because he didn't want to lead them on.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 03:51 PM
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Eh, it's not the point of the thread. I wanted you to share what you thought was the romantic script for women, or share your own version.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 03:47 PM
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But I don’t know if I will post for a while, or possibly ever again. I don’t think I have anything left to say about relationships or dating. Good luck with everything wub. I really enjoyed your thoughtful, unique perspective on this sub and you'll be missed if you decide to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 03:31 PM
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How does it compare to Lord of the Rings?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 03:24 PM
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I am talking more about the general narrative that gets repeated all the time in romance stories, and not the specific details of the Phantom of the Opera.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 03:15 PM
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I'm sure that's true in some cases, but I think women should strongly refrain from assuming this. If he approached you, made you feel special, and obsessed over you, then it's more likely that this is just his mode of operation when it comes to women and not something unique about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 03:11 PM
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5 years
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 02:18 PM
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Keep us updated on how things are going. I'll be rooting for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 08:31 AM
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This is a hard question because I can't separate the reasons I'm attracted to him from the reasons I love him. Originally I was attracted to him because he was exceptionally gentle and laid back which was something I was looking for. We bonded over silly games that I think everyone else would be too mature and adult to enjoy. His disposition is always so happy and childlike, even when we are fighting he keeps it light hearted. He gets so excited over things like Christmas, and it's infectious. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 07:20 AM
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Was that the one that was ultra cringy? I legit watched like 3 secs of it lol, I havent actually seen it yet. I did read some comments, but I cant give a reasonable opinion, sorry. I liked it and didn't think it was cringey. I was again surprised at how normal looking the guys were. One of the guys was exceptionally worried about his looks. He thought his face was hideous and had all these plans to get plastic surgery. But there was nothing wrong with his face, not at all. Do you think some of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 06:34 AM
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What were some of the signals she gave? Also, sounds like she was hopping guys in quick succession. She probably didn't know what she wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 05:41 AM
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I'm very interested in incels and their lives, so I was wondering if you could answer some questions I had. This is not to debate, just out of curiosity. Have you seen the documentary Shy Guys: IRL? If so, what did think of it, and do you identify with any of the incel men featured? I watch a lot of videos on incels on YouTube and I was surprised to learn how attractive and adjusted some of them appear. They report that they get female attention, but fail to follow through. Why do you think this…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 05:34 AM
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You don't desire romance at all? What about relationships or sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 02:22 AM
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You're not a misogynist either, just a heart broken guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 02:18 AM
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Who Snape?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 02:00 AM
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Why didn't he fuck her and then break her heart if he hated women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 01:50 AM
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Yeah I know guys have no choice, but I'm saying this is why women want to believe it just happened. They don't want to think about all the effort he put into other girls, just her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 01:39 AM
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Oh, so he was interested in her, he just didn't want to have sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 01:36 AM
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I think women don't like to think that she's one out of a hundred girls he's approached this week, and there is really nothing special about her at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 01:29 AM
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How is she feminine towards the guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 01:26 AM
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How do they prove it was justified?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 01:24 AM
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So mean, vain, and bitchy?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 01:20 AM
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Yes, I think so too. Extroversion is the biggest factor in being cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 01:15 AM
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AtlasB doesn't, but the 'queen bee' archetype does What are some other examples of archetype? I couldn't put it into words before, but now I can. It is the absence of neuroticism that make the Queen Bees unfeminine. Neuroticism is quintessentially feminine. Confidence is masculine. Queen Bee types lack neuroticism and are confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 01:14 AM
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You make it sound like she just happens to be the last one standing, not that there was anything special about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 01:09 AM
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How is that not feminine? Do you think AtlasB has a feminine personality? I have a hard time believing it. Betas who game and watch anime hardly need to be impressed. Just asking them out will do it. Or just hanging around them for long enough for them to get over their shyness even I never thought that guys would automatically like me just for being there.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 01:06 AM
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What happened when I was in this situation is that the guy started making friends with my friends because I would bring him along everywhere I went. And then suddenly I wasn't the sole focus of his life any more and I got super jealous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 12:57 AM
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Yeah, it's kind of unhealthy despite it's appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 12:53 AM
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How do they behave? Extroverted, cool, confident. The dominant female. Like AtlasB. I bet she was very popular with guys when she was younger. Not because they were trying to attract betas and didn't personally care for it. I can almost guarantee there was a guy involved somehow. Every one of my hobbies was originally meant to impress some guy. Most of them I don't sustain after he's gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 12:51 AM
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It's like love has to be pure when the man loves without sex. I have this same idea. I think it's because men pursue us the most adamantly prior to sex and then they tend to relax afterwards. This leads us to think that sex somehow ruins his love towards us.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 12:41 AM
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He wants to be Chad so he can fuck a lot of sluts on rotation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 12:37 AM
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That doesn't sound very romantic lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 12:34 AM
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Femininity isn't limited to attractiveness. Oh, in that case, I don't see alpha men going for women who behave feminine. Haven't seen it. You don't know any girls who are into video games or anime?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 12:33 AM
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Oh, well in my fantasy he is too shy to show interest. It's more of a secret obsession. But what do you mean that women feigned interest? Do you have any guesses as to why they would do this out of the blue?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 12:25 AM
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My boyfriend exclusively wears anime t-shirts and collects action figures and Japanese memorabilia. He also is very shy and I had to make all the first moves. I'm not lying!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 12:21 AM
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It's more like feminine girls don't have to do anything additional to impress men other than be hot. Lots of girls take up video games and anime to impress beta men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 12:17 AM
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Belle was certainly the hero. I didn't watch all of Twilight or Shades of Gray so I can't comment on those.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 12:13 AM
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By any chance did you also like Jane Eyre?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 12:12 AM
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Men: want a pure, virginal, submissive woman who is enamored enough with her to give him pornstar sex. Is this your romantic script?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 12:10 AM
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Most girls don't try to be cool? Alphas don't like cool girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 12:08 AM
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I disagree. Belle teaches the beast how to be kind. The girl from FSoG shows Christian how to trust women again. The twilight girl sees the vampire for who he is rather than being a freak. The women are the heros in their own stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 12:06 AM
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Not me. I love male obsession.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 12:00 AM
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How can women play into this fantasy? By trying to be wacky and fun? It seems like a lot of women try this (hello spork, I am potato) but fail miserably.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 12:00 AM
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Well you always struck me as a rational, pragmatic person rather than a romantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 11:54 PM
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What are the critical elements of the manic pixie dream girl script?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 11:51 PM
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I don't think women are stirred emotionally by slay the dragon type stories. At least, the man proving himself is not a critical element of the story. The critical element is him being obsessed with her and her alone, which can mean him overcoming some obstacle to get her, but can also just mean him lapsing into depression in her absence, or even stalking her. She is actually the hero in her fantasy, as she saves the man from his lonely, tortured state.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 11:49 PM
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Isn't that part of the story?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 11:42 PM
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Betas do. Can you tell me what these scripts are? Also what scripts are there in anime that reflect the male romantic fantasy?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 11:40 PM
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Yeah, and he rejected them lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 11:28 PM
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Maybe she can join the discussion! I wish we had more couples here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 08:41 PM
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He's got a very masculine brow though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 08:09 PM
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Why do you have to explain your reddit account?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 07:57 PM
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Damn, it's just that simple, huh? Well at least he was given some hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 07:56 PM
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Oh okay, makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 07:52 PM
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I was thinking maybe he was anticipating rejection and so rejected them first in order to protect himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 07:47 PM
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He looks almost identical to one of my exes. Women find him attractive enough that he was getting messages from women on Tinder. He just wouldn't message them back because he was afraid of leading them on. Why though?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 07:44 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nksR9kL9RcU Why do you guys think this guy struggles with women? He seems to be a very attractive, normally adjusted guy with no obvious flaws. When listening to his dialogue, I was shocked to hear him say that women were messaging him, but he wouldn't respond because he didn't want to 'lead them on'. (Even though he found them attractive? I didn't understand why.) Is this what TRP talks about when they say a guy is too beta? He was too concerned about possibly hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 07:37 PM
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Not going out with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 07:11 PM
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Oh, he is an internet comedian that uses phrases like 'Godly' and 'GOOD point' so I originally thought you were parodying him by combining these into GODly. I guess not though!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 06:45 PM
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I love your commitment to this joke, but I hope it doesn't get you banned some day. Was this originally a KenM reference?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 06:34 PM
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I think you are aptly seeing that people will use these words incorrectly or even deceitfully in order to shame someone they don't like or some who made them feel bad. It is also true that these words have lost meaning over time due to their overuse. However, this doesn't mean that the labels don't accurately apply in some cases. We need some word to describe the opposite of humble or kind. If you believe that humble people exist, then you must also believe that arrogant people exist to some ext…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 06:28 PM
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Yeah. And people do this with just about any trait. They will signal having a certain level of education or belonging to a certain social class. If you signal your success or intelligence a lot or explicitly, then people will call you arrogant.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 06:09 PM
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It's overused now, but originally it meant that they had concealed, but nefarious intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 05:48 PM
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You are more likely to have a problem with your partner than a third party.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 05:04 PM
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Is that what soccerstar was talking about? It seems like he was saying that a girl choking on cum at a party was committing an immoral act.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 05:03 PM
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Someone who is virtue signalling is highlighting their own positive moral character traits with the purpose of looking good or superior to others, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 04:49 PM
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Dominant guys just walk right over you. They don't look out for your needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 04:31 PM
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Yes. When person A accuses person B of virtue signalling, does it mean anything other than person B made person A feel bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 04:27 PM
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What would a virtuous sexual decision look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 07:39 AM
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Do you feel the same way about virtue signalling?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 06:02 AM
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Oh lol. That's true!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 04:12 AM
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The same in what way?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 03:47 AM
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