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snf3210/r/seduction02/08/19 12:15 AM
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Right. I agree there is a time and place to just go for direct - like when you see someone that is not going to be there for very long and you know once they leave or you leave you'll never see them again, like in passing. Do you not do walking approaches then?
/r/seduction03/10/19 10:35 PM
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I see. Problem I have is approaching someone walking - compared to a lot of the indirect game with casual situational openers (waiting in line, being in a store, in an event, etc) it seems very abrupt to stop the girl and it puts a lot of pressure on you having something damn good to say.
/r/seduction03/10/19 08:11 PM
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many women, even if they might be attracted, feel put on the spot if you go direct. This is my main argument against direct. Most of the time this comes at the very beginning of the interaction in direct approach and it puts her on the defensive or she feels like she has to make a decision about you NOW, even if it's just in her head. Also, it immediately puts her on a pedestal because you're complimenting her off the bat. Check out Todd V's video on this - "showing intent" - I think it's pretty…
/r/seduction03/10/19 07:54 PM
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Do you prefer indirect vs direct? I have always liked indirect because you can start with situational openers and just get a feel how into it she is. And if she's not, you can just find a stopping point to peace out as if it was just a nice conversation, without having to go around to every girl starting by exclaiming "hey I saw you and thought you were cute blah blah..."
/r/seduction03/10/19 06:47 PM
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RIght, I've experienced this and it's my golden rule now. I'm speaking mostly about waiting for IOIs before approaching, ie. warm approach (with IOI) or cold approach (no IOI from the girl)
/r/seduction03/10/19 06:39 PM
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Good point, I am mostly going on this video from ToddV where he argues against immediately giving her value and compliments. I think it's a great video but realize there are guys who can pull off the direct thing as well and that the confidence that it takes to do that is often appreciated. However, I feel that making what seems like small talk at first can be a good gauge for how interested she is, without putting your intentions out there off the bat. And then if it's not going well, you can p…
/r/seduction03/10/19 06:24 PM
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Sure, you don't want it to sound like an interview. I was just giving a suggestion to what they might say they're doing and not just going "oh". From my example there's a lot of paths the conversation can take from there (school/classes/hard professors/what she's studying/etc)
/r/seduction03/10/19 06:21 PM
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If you see a girl walking and you're unsure which one she is then approach her anyway but just give her a compliment or ask for directions. I have trouble with this because I usually do an indirect/situational opener, usually in a semi-captive environment (waiting in line, waiting for an order, at an event, etc) where you're already physically close to each other, and stopping someone walking feels very direct and abrupt compared to that, whereas if she's already in your general proximity a situ…
/r/seduction03/10/19 06:19 PM
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Damn straight, this post needs to get removed. I know his intention is good by sharing the info but it's very bad advice, the "on the menu" line would require previous rapport/interest/tension with the girl, and otherwise have to be delivered perfectly and in the perfect situation assuming she is a stranger. 95% chance of fail.
/r/seduction03/10/19 06:13 PM
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Seriously, I can only imagine this working in some romcom movie where the chick ALREADY LIKES HIM.
/r/seduction03/10/19 06:10 PM
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being that you're not on the menu I guess I have to settle for something else Yes, the "giggles" after this would most likely not come. If she likes you for some reason already, or you know her and have some sexual rapport with her, sure, it might very well work. That's something I would say to someone who is already flirting with me and I know they are very receptive, or knows my personality and how that line would be funny given that. But otherwise NO. It sounds like someone's uncle. That line…
/r/seduction03/10/19 06:04 PM
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Do you particulary wait for IOIs ("warm approach") or just open anyway (cold)? I've heard people say both.
/r/seduction03/10/19 05:58 PM
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This is gold advice, if you're too pumped up it's going to be super short. Not even saying it has to be right before, but even that morning or the night before doing what you have planned helps tremendously.
/r/seduction03/10/19 05:56 PM
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If you have recently though, I find you generally last longer if things get hot.
/r/seduction03/10/19 05:55 PM
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Doors as in IOIs mostly?
/r/seduction03/10/19 05:54 PM
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That's good advice, if you don't go for it, even if she likes you she is probably not going to initiate it. And if she doesn't like you, you'll find out and have nothing to lose anyway since you guys probably weren't going to get together for another date.
/r/seduction03/10/19 05:52 PM
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Yeah, "busy" is their "no" most of the time. If they like you enough, it's crazy how they'll make time appear out of thin air to hang out with you.
/r/seduction03/10/19 05:50 PM
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Ask something about what they say they're up to. "Im waiting for class" "Oh cool, what class, at _________ school right down here? My friend used to go there, he said it's really hard"
/r/seduction03/10/19 05:47 PM
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How about an indirect/situational opener? I like those since you're not going right at it by telling you that you like her off the bat, and gives her some time to talk with you before feeling like she has to decide how to accept your interest (saying Hi You're Cute etc kind of puts her on the spot)
/r/seduction03/10/19 05:43 PM
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Good stuff I think you'd really like Elisha Long's Youtube channel, he speaks the truth about all of this kind of stuff. Keeps it real real.
/r/seduction02/08/19 12:13 AM
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And it's easy for her to seem like she has more value online - from the "adventurous" profile, to the instagram-worthy curated photos (beach photo, vacation to india 5 years ago photo, party photo, etc) that when you meet them in real life it really can flip to her being just a normal chick. I always have to remind myself of this... Combine that with the ease of anyone making a "digital approach" or message where she doesn't have to actually speak with you - and might not even see your profile -…
/r/seduction02/08/19 12:11 AM
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Meandering park is also a great opportunity for pausing and testing some escalation, also this way you can get a feel for the level of comfort at that moment by whether she wants to stop with you or not. Funny story was once we were walking by the waterfront and there was all these geese on the grass, she said something about how they were going to attack us so I teased her about it and I had her hop on my back and we ran away from them. Stuff like that.
/r/seduction02/08/19 12:03 AM
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Right, what I mean is that even if they were discriminating on the basis of those things, they definitely would not say anything about why the person was not hired, or even reply further to them saying they didn't get the position which is unfortunately pretty normal these days. being super common to just not tell an applicant why they were not selected.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 11:49 PM
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a flat structure and Blur personal and professional lines This is increasingly common I'm afraid, it's getting too "buddy-buddy" and the separation of work and personal time is increasingly being broken down especially at newer companies.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 09:36 PM
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And that you're talking to her because you want to Right, the whole "self amusement" thing goes along really well here. You're talking to her because you saw her and you felt like it while you were going about doing your thing, not to make her like you, but rather almost to see if she's cool and worth your time. At least that is the mindset, outcome independence and all that. "I thought you were kinda cute". BAM. That information is out there in the open and whatever she decides to do with that,…
/r/seduction12/01/18 01:38 AM
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It's about not making "her" your first priority, as it well should not be. You need to be that guy who is driven to something else, and she is a side effect of that life. They will go crazy for that dude who makes himself emotionally available but just aloof enough with his own life that they can't 100% get through all the time. No girl wants a guy to say "you're my world", but is definitely happy to be a part of a guy's bigger world that includes her.
/r/seduction12/01/18 01:36 AM
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It's also a great line because "make out" is kind of vague, low-investment and low pressure, lending itself to some good plausible deniability and spontaenity, even though it clearly can lead to more things.
/r/seduction12/01/18 01:30 AM
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It's weird because I've had some of the best interactions with someone who was initially wearing headphones or otherwise focused on something else, and who instantly opened up when talked to. Not as a rule, but it's an interesting anecdote. Maybe just coincidences and the person was going to be receptive anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 01:04 AM
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Exactly, stupid lazy ambiguous term is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 12:58 AM
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Also being outcome-independent and detaching ego from the interaction, and not taking a "no" too personally. Easier said than done for many though. This takes away a lot of the neediness that can seem uncalibrated and overbearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 12:27 AM
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I hate the word because in the context it's just such an ambiguous, lazy catch-all. I wish they would use more descriptive adjectives instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 11:39 PM
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Have you read Models?
/r/seduction12/12/17 09:40 PM
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I hate that shit. "Oh do you have instagram? Can I give you my snap?" It's like no, you have a phone number. If on the offchance I turn out to be a crazy person blowing up your phone you can block me.
/r/seduction12/12/17 09:39 PM
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Classic advice; either basically ignore, or "agree and amplify".
/r/seduction12/12/17 09:37 PM
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Yeah it's kind of like a better version of "he's a lucky guy" I think it shows real confidence to be able to be happy for her and the other guy, even though it wasn't him. Acknowledging others' success and good fortune is an awesome trait to have, kind of like being grateful.
/r/seduction12/12/17 09:30 PM
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If seriously married/engaged and she seems happy a good reaction is to try being glad for her and a little surprised while maybe poking a bit of fun at it, like "he must be all that, huh?" or "aww, see now this isn't going to work, you've ruined it! (Playfully)" All in all just don't act like it affected you and changed your frame or made you ashamed that you asked - it should mean nothing and you should be happy you went for it. It's a WIN. You may say: why should it matter if I react if I'm ne…
/r/seduction12/12/17 09:25 PM
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Totally. Used to take breaks to walk around outside but now it's just a lot harder. It's not that they're not outside, I'm also not outside!
/r/seduction12/12/17 09:13 PM
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If you are a man, you will get rejected. Every man knows this. Also: realizing that a person you just met can never truly reject "you", or "who you are", but just the short interaction you've had so far and how you are presenting yourself in that moment. Realizing this for guys is powerful and enables taking "rejection" non-personally as it should be. The only thing a new person can reject about you is based on your personal presentation in that moment, their emotional state and any preexisting …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 08:46 PM
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But what about the womens' look acceptance? (ie. Large is beautiful etc etc) Is it all still just a farse like the dad bod thing and just trying to include everyone possible so nobody feels bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 08:14 PM
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The worst thing is how some men seem to think that moaning about their wives is like opening the door for flirting. Right, that's some fake movie / porn intro s*** right there. Life doesn't go down that way! Corporate suit: "Yeah, so my wife recently... not so good... barely talks to me... I can't get it up... took the kids and went to her mom's for a while... blah blah... like what the hell, right?" Secretary: "Oh yeaaahhh...? You don't say...... That makes me suddenly attracted to you ;) ;)"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/17 10:30 PM
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They do. I'm not sure about this comment. There's a lot that's in an individual's control, regardless of genetics. It's all about maximizing your potential and what you're given.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/17 12:00 AM
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Or no hoe to row. Related:Isn't the casual mention of a boyfriend sometimes just a shit test?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 11:53 PM
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Exactly, it's deflecting the proposition by basing her lack of interest/availability on an external entity (the boyfriend, etc) just like being "really busy" or something else, rather than something intrinsic to her that can be negotiated or argued with by the rejected party. An irrefutable force-majeur, kind of. I used to not understand this mechanism but it makes sense once you figure it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 11:46 PM
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Yeah that's crazy. Gives all guys just trying to meet someone a bad name.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 11:17 PM
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Exactly. It takes all kinds.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 11:15 PM
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or using seniority to try and create some stupid secretary porn scenario, because perhaps maybe you might get a bigger bonus if you give them the sex their wife is too disgusted to. +1 Kind of like a cop-out for being sorry for yourself and not having your (social, marital, spiritual, etc) life together. If a man really has his s*** together he's going to be getting it in other places than having to resort to an affair scenario or make a pass at interns. Resorting to that is the lowest-hanging f…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 11:12 PM
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who cares what some non-work woman thinks who you ask out as long as you’re not being rude or inappropriate. Definitely true. There are ways to express direct interest while still having a modicum of social awareness and calibration as to whether the other person is interested and reciprocating that desire. If not, it should be easy to move on to someone else, no harm no foul. I think this is the mindset that a lot of people (guys) need to work on developing but end up taking a rejection really …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 10:59 PM
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I'd like to hear a hypothesis on their low testing levels, if you have one. I've heard people regard them as effeminate (I agree) but I don't know if that's part of the cause, or the effect of having low levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 10:52 PM
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I'm all for observation comments, I just ask because I've seen that a lot of the good natural game/pickup guys seem to usually have some variation of "hey, saw you over there, thought you were cute, wanted to say hi" so I thought it was an indicator of its feasability. Maybe it's just their delivery and voice that's so spot on that makes it work.
/r/seduction25/10/17 11:46 PM
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"Hey, I know this is random, but you look cute and I had to say hi" This line is so overused in pickup, and it screams of unoriginality. I thought it was refreshing for them for someone to be so transparent and direct, especially when they don't normally get approached in the day. I think the line could be pretty fresh if she has not been picked up a lot... am I wrong?
/r/seduction24/10/17 10:41 PM
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I think if it's a pretty universal response, I would re-examine if it's something about yourself - maybe you're intimidating like you said (which can be a good thing if you work it right) You have a gift. Use it. I would look more into this, if you look super badass this can make them shut down or act timid. What happens when you DO approach? Is your body language "friendly" to offset your large frame?
/r/seduction24/10/17 10:30 PM
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What if she looks multiple times from far away?
/r/seduction24/10/17 10:24 PM
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Doesn't return eye-contact as you pass each other. I've gotten this a lot but they often turned out to be quite receptive and conversational. I think a lot just don't like to make contact from nearby, it can seem intense or overly-communicative. TLDR not necessarily a dealbreaker
/r/seduction24/10/17 10:19 PM
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Lunch break is great for daytime. Walks are great for you, it's de-stressing, and you might run into somebody along the way. A lot of daytime game concept is that you're just going about your own thing and you happen to run into people which creates opportunities.
/r/seduction24/10/17 10:13 PM
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Are you supposed to give them a hard/funny time about being obvious or just play it off?
/r/seduction24/10/17 10:10 PM
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I wear them EVERYWERE but I often feel like it puts a "barrier" up, or that the fact that they can't see your eyes it makes it more impersonal. Thoughts?
/r/seduction24/10/17 10:09 PM
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Thanks, that's kind of what I've been doing. Goes well if they are climbing casually. The numbers I've gotten haven't gone anywhere, though - no replies to a text/voicemail. Kind of just dies there.
/r/TheRedPill14/12/16 07:57 PM
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Do you have any tips specific to asking out at the climbing gym? I'm still feeling out the dynamic.
/r/TheRedPill09/12/16 08:35 PM
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Click the left thumb stick while moving and you'll start to sprint. That will make you stand out.
/r/seduction11/12/15 11:55 PM
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This is good advice, and at least by talking a few minutes OP might even be able to introduce a pretext for getting her to move somewhere else. Just going up like that kind of triggers a kneejerk reaction from the other person (generally a no).
/r/seduction11/12/15 11:45 PM
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In either case, pay by check.
/r/seduction11/12/15 11:39 PM
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Women are less visual than men - muscularity and physicality is a factor but it's not as big as it is for men. If women are less visual (which I agree with), I've been meaning to ask how you would explain things such as the Magic Mike movie or other such things with crazy ripped guys that appear to be 100% visual on the surface, and they go absolutely crazy for. Or in some way is it not about the raw physicality, but rather the musculature is just communicating something deeper about those peopl…
/r/seduction11/12/15 11:29 PM
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Tone.
/r/seduction11/12/15 11:19 PM
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Is a low % mostly genetics or is there something specific that lowers the %? (cardio comes to mind, maybe)
/r/seduction11/12/15 11:17 PM
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Any sort of wide-eyed craziness. I like the way you put this, and I think I know what you're referring to, but could you be more specific?
/r/seduction16/08/15 05:27 AM
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Basically. If she's interested in you enough, she will want to do something.
/r/seduction31/07/15 10:48 PM
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Nice advice (that sounds sarcastic too, but nothing is, promise!), I have been thinking about texting this way and it was good to have someone be specific and validate this way of thinking. Question 2: What if she doesn't suggest another day/time? It's usually taken as lack of interest.
/r/seduction22/07/15 11:46 PM
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Wow, mine had a Volvo as well, with constant problems. Except I wasn't Car Guy, I was Hey You Built A Gaming PC So Can You Get Viruses Off My Computer Guy.
/r/seduction22/07/15 11:12 PM
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You text back and forth, then say you should both meetup for coffee and boom, zero reply Why do you think this happens?
/r/seduction22/07/15 11:10 PM
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It could increase attraction if you can keep the rapport going from IRL, but the best attraction building is going to come from seeing her in person again. In that case, maybe text and arrange the meetup as quickly and simply as possible. I would avoid texting too much especially after only getting a number.
/r/seduction22/07/15 12:15 AM
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Yes... developed is the right word. BUT, a lot of the dress style doesn't help either.
/r/seduction16/07/15 08:52 PM
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No idea why, but some teenagers have this crazy mature-looking thing now. It really messes me up sometimes, and I totally feel you.
/r/seduction16/07/15 08:08 PM
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Farmers markets are BOSS for that, and there's a lot to talk about. And if you just start like a normal comment/observation/question/conversation, if she's not into it/you/whatever it doesn't even have to look like you were trying anything on her, that's the idea with starting with a relatively innocent lighthearted comment, if she's not into it, it just brushes off. Worst case the girl is super rude to you, then SHE looks like the weird one because it looks like you were just trying to be cool/…
/r/seduction15/07/15 10:21 PM
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3) "Beautiful and/or smart" doesn't really guarantee interest or short response time. I would maybe try one more time in a few days, and make sure you get right to the point about setting up a meeting. This reduces the possibility of the conversation stalling and also confirms if she's really worth bothering with for longer. If she can't take even an hour to get coffee or meet you (everybody has an hour, everybody, sometime in the week) she's not interested.
/r/seduction09/07/15 12:05 AM
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Working out is very good but having clothes fit and flatter is extremely important. If you're ripped but wear a baggy, ill-fitting shirt or weird pants, a lot of that gets obscured and attention is put on how your clothes don't fit.
/r/seduction01/07/15 12:36 AM
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Also girls seem horrible at texting. I don't know if it's regional but so many conversations just get lost. It's like they zone out or suddenly don't check their phone for 5 days, even if the conversation was going very well.
/r/seduction01/07/15 12:24 AM
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And escalating physically, even if it seems innocent. Palm reading is a good one, trust me.
/r/seduction01/07/15 12:19 AM
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That's definitely game on. Good save.
/r/seduction26/06/15 08:48 PM
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Meh, I think that generally as long as it's daytime out people won't think you're weird for wearing sunglasses.
/r/seduction26/06/15 07:43 PM
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I do if I have time!
/r/seduction26/06/15 06:41 PM
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I wear all-stars and always am temped to use the "I like your shoes" thing, but since so many people wear them I've questioned the uniqueness of it as a topic starter. On top of that I've had people not even realize I was wearing the same shoes, even in the same color. /facepalm
/r/seduction26/06/15 05:33 PM
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The fat thing is kind of like Craigslist.
/r/seduction26/06/15 05:28 PM
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Cool sunglasses tip, however it's tricky because if you see someone suddenly you WOULD like to make eye contact with, they can't see that you're doing it.
/r/seduction26/06/15 05:25 PM
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You mean making eye contact and then breaking, or looking at you all over?
/r/seduction26/06/15 05:24 PM
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Yes, this is great advice. I believe the scientific term is "Onto the Next One." +1
/r/seduction20/06/15 11:55 PM
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