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Fascinating... When you indicate that you want to have sex with someone, is that a sign that you find them attractive? As for me, I'm puzzled by people sleeping with someone they don't find attractive. I'd rather exercise, read or spend time with someone I actually find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 12:30 AM
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How long would you like a guy not to show much interest in getting sexual? Let's say it's a guy who's right up your alley in terms of sexual attraction. Also, after how much time of no signs of sexual interest would you start wondering whether he's not very attracted to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 02:23 PM
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What makes Davidson awesome? I don't know much about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 02:09 PM
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I don't know how accurate what you said about men's and women's respective views on quality vs. quantity is, but my preference is basically the same as yours. What's the point of bragging about having slept with 100 people if you found only three of them attractive? Equal parts hormonal and socially conditioned, ok. How convinced are you that it isn't close to 100% a question of conditioning?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 08:05 PM
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Ok. Since you said that men are super easy, does that mean you think you're not necessarily significantly more attractive than your brother, but rather that men -- for whatever reasons -- are more interested in sex-based relationships than women are? Be it due to differences in terms of social conditioning, libido, safety concerns, worries about pregnancy risk or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 07:32 PM
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Ha, but would a man version of you really be short? Being short as a woman isn't the same as being short as a man, right? Maybe the equivalent of a woman being short is a man having wide shoulders or something. Some trait that isn't negative anyway. Don't you agree? So, with that in mind, how do you think a man version of you would fare?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 06:16 PM
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Which of their attractive traits do you think has benefited them the most in terms of making women pursue them relentlessly? Whatever your answer is, do you thnk that happens to be the same trait as the one they'd be most opposed to losing?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 11:16 PM
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Why do you think your brothers are pursued relentlessly? Are they very handsome and very fit? Tall? Are you and them roughly equally fit?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 10:55 PM
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I'll ask you what I asked another commenter not long ago: try imagining a man version of yourself. How do you think he'd do compared to you, in terms of attracting women for casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 10:52 PM
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1) What made you extremely sexually attracted to them? 2) Insofar as you're able to imagine a man version of yourself, how do you think he'd do compared to you, as far as attracting people for casual sex goes?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 10:28 PM
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The idea of the seducing secretary and the harassing boss aren't mutually exclusive. Somewhere, maybe one of those things happens, while elsewhere, the other thing happens. As to how often each happens, I don't know. Even if the harassing boss were more common, there's the question of by what margin. 75/25? 55/45? Regarding your sweater example, of course that happens. But again, that and what I have in mind aren't mutually exclusive. As I said earlier, there is preferential treatment by others,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 07:58 PM
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For instance, I recently read that, when the pandemic hit and students started doing their tasks at home, attractive women's grades took a hit, while attractive men's grades didn't. It's also interesting that this difference applied mainly to fields where grading is somewhat subjective, as opposed to in the case of math et cetera. Of course, it can't be guaranteed that this boils down to preferential treatment, but the researchers seemed to lean in that direction. It's not inconceivable that thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 07:14 PM
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It's not possible to run the test I mentioned initially, but I can ask people whether their experiences with harassment etc. have had a stronger impact in the negative way than their experiences with preferential treatment due to good looks have had an impact in the positive way. The preferential treatment I have in mind is not limited to having doors opened for you, and then there are the people who themselves actively leverage their sexuality in order to obtain benefits they wouldn't have obta…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 06:30 PM
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That unrealistic scenario is just one of various possible approaches to the, issue though. It's another way of asking how much negative attention people would be willing to put up with in order to keep the benefits. I actually think it's quite interesting to know what people make of this kind of trade-offs, since it gives a better idea of exactly what they make of the negative attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 05:36 PM
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I think it's this poor assumption: man attractive, woman want man automatically unga bunga. Yes, it's more complicated than that. It's not all sunshine and bunnies. Indeed. So, does this mean you think most women would prefer the kind of reality I described in my previous comment? There would be no unwanted sexual attention in that scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 05:05 PM
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On one hand, you're right, but this also touches upon something I'm curious about: would most women prefer that only people they find atrractive would find them attractive? Meaning, if you find some guy unattractive, then he would find you equally unattractive. This would, of course, entail less unwanted sexual attention, but it would also make it impossible to manipulate -- by means of your looks/sexuality -- people you don't find attractive to obtain benefits. And random average strangers etc.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 04:32 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 02:42 PM
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You mentioned looking good, but to what extent do you think stereotypes explain why you've had so many positive first reactions?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 10:11 PM
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If I go to a bar it is usually pretty easy to find a guy I like to hook up with. How would you describe those guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:30 PM
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With all that in mind, but also taking into account various social pressures, which arguably have targeted women more, at least historically... Would you rather be an average man or an average woman? I suppose you'd prefer being a woman if it were simply a question of having casual sex, but what if it were a matter of whose life you'd prefer?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 03:18 PM
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Yes. As it happens, I find skinny as well as overweight women attractive, so I can relate. It's more complicated with men, since I'm heterosexual. Who knows what my attitude toward men would have been if I were sexually attracted to them. However, I think at least some (probably many?) overweight women look better -- not just sexually, but also in a more neutral/aesthetic sense -- than most overweight men do. Could I be blended by my sexual attraction, though, making me assess women more generou…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:51 PM
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Right, that fits with my impression. I've seen some bisexual people (men as well as women) say things like "I'm interested in any women, and men who are muscular, young, handsome" and so on. I wonder how strong this tendency is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:35 PM
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But it's not just a matter of finding them! They'd have to be willing to get down to business with you too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:25 PM
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Ok. What if the guys didn't just have to match you, but they had to be significantly more attractive than you? Would it still be easy?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:05 PM
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Would it also be easy if one requirement were that he'd have to be at least as conventionally attractive as you are? Or at least as attractive as you are, in your subjective opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:53 AM
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Since you're bisexual... Have you noticed any patterns in terms of who seem attracted to you and not? Or, how about this: do you think you'd struggle more attracting an attractive man or an average woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:19 AM
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The cuter/more modelesque/naturally attractive looking women get the most attention from...other women. Men are nowhere in sight, yet those same men are too busy complaining about how women fake too many things. What makes you think that those who say they dislike fake looks actually like them? Is it possible that you've rushed to conclusions about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:06 AM
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Absolutely! Why wouldn't I see a woman as an equal (or better), assuming her abilities etc. warrant it? It would be silly not to see her as an equal, if e.g. her problem-solving ability and knowledge levels matched mine, she managed as many pullups as I do, made me laugh as often as I made her laugh and so on. This is not really a gender issue for me; it applies regardless of whether I compare myself to a man or a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:41 PM
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That is, you're trying to understand why some men dislike women having sex with other men faster? If so, I have an analogy that may be helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 10:01 AM
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Give some examples of those non-negotiables...? Maybe some that don't involve looks and some that do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 05:24 PM
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Since you mentioned having an aesthetic preference for bigger dudes, does your height preference boil down to visceral attraction, or is it also to a far extent about social norms and how being the taller person makes you feel? /u/extrachromozomes: same question for you!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 05:05 PM
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That's when you made them wait, to gauge their interest, that is? And all of the guys' looks were all over the place, as opposed to those you slept with sooner generally looking better than those you waited longer with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:01 PM
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Ok, interesting. Was that the trend when it comes to the guys you were more cautious toward? Or was the guy you just described an exception? I guess what I'm asking is: were the guys you waited longer with overall about as sexually attractive as the guys you slept with sooner?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:58 AM
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How sexually attracted were you to those guys? Was there any particular tendency, compared to how attracted you were to the guys you had sex with sooner, or was it all over the place?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 12:33 AM
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Regarding your penultimate paragraph, would you likely be uninterested in that type of guy if he wanted to be your fuck buddy/FWB/you name it rather than a relationship too?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 01:09 PM
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By what margin is height seen as more important than e.g. handsomeness and overall physique?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 01:32 PM
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I was/am not angry. To the contrary. I had just read through and upvoted some of your comments. Anyway, maybe you thought my comment was sarcastic, invasive or something. It was a genuine question I thought would be acceptable on a venue like this. I've gotten good answers to similar questions here before.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 01:22 AM
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Given what you wrote in the first paragraph ("to me he is perfect"), I assume you weren't even close to choosing him somewhat despite his looks either. If, however, you were that, then it would have been interesting to know whether you have ever been tempted to cheat on him with someone whose looks excite you much more than his, even if he's the purest person you've ever met and makes you feel like the most special woman on the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 12:01 AM
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Just to check: is your attitude toward OF performers the same regardless of whether they are men or women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 07:33 PM
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What do you make of the first point the person you replied to made?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 05:39 PM
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Is it conceivable that they happened to be very physically attracted to you, though? And that they gravitated toward you despite -- not because of -- your attitude?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 01:27 PM
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So you'd say it's not possible to be hot without being handsome? I recall a Joe Rogan Experience episode where they were talking about something similar, but it was about women. The guest said that some women are hot, but not necessarily pretty/beautiful or how he phrased it, whereas others are the latter, but not the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 06:15 PM
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Would you mind elaborating on handsome vs. hot? I think I know basically what you mean, but I'm not sure, since people may have different views on how much the two overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 05:48 PM
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Really? Not what I expected! Would you mind elaborating on how that aggressive personality is? Maybe I thought of something different than what you have in mind. I suppose I thought more along the lines of mean/rude/manipulative than aggressive. You said "toxic", though, so maybe I was thinking along the right lines after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 09:49 PM
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Would you say it has worked wonders overall, or does it seem to work primarily on a certain kind of person? I struggle letting go of the thought that it probably works on some people with self-esteem issues, but less so on more stable people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 05:46 PM
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I saw this comment of yours, if that's what you had in mind (I saved wekacuck's comment yesterday and checked it out again today to see if he had gotten more replies -- I may have neglected some comments). I just wanted to ask about how much difference there is between sentiments like "I don't usually date short men, but..." and "I don't usually date Indians, but...", since both are immutable traits and can be a source of dissatisfaction. That is not to say that, generally speaking, being short …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 02:01 PM
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If stereotypes are involved, that's not a good sign, but isn't it possible to have racial preferences based more purely on physical attraction (I don't really have any such preferences, but I think some do)? I didn't assume that the guy in the discussed case had any stereotypes, which is why I found wekacuck's reference to women's preference for tall men relevant. It could just be a case of "I'm usually not physically attracted to this, but..." in both cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 12:27 PM
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Well, is any reality where women have to worry more about safety and pregnancy really 'artificial'? I'd say so, because if a woman seems more reluctant to have sex than a man, it could, depending on the circumstances, have to do with safety and pregnancy risk in addition to physical sex drive, and men are arguably less worried about those two factors than women. And yes, these things do matter as far as the good ole' science goes. Right, you won't hear me say that current researchers are fools. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 11:25 PM
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You made some interesting points, but you simultaneously seem to neglect/downplay a point that I think is crucial: you mentioned constructing extremely artificial realities, but hasn't it always been the case that women have had to think more about their safety than men do, in terms of dating etc.? Then there is the fact that women are more worried about pregnancy. Don't you think factors like that have a significant impact on how women behave, perhaps making them seem to have a lower libido tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 10:44 PM
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Now, if you want to get into the more theoretical stuff of what male and female libido might look like in some type of ideal cultural setting engineered to eliminate as many of what seem like the cultural constraints to innate female libido as possible, then I'm not sure. That would be pretty esoteric stuff. Esoteric...? I think it's precisely what would be required to really put the various hypotheses to a test. Thanks for the reference. I'll check it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 09:45 PM
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Sure, it's not racist to have a height preference, but if you or your friends say to a guy "You're quite attractive, even though I usually go for taller guys", how different is that attitude to the one your acquaintance has? Both concern immutable traits. It could be a sensitive issue in both cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 09:40 PM
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I understand your reaction, but what do you make of wekacuck's point? That someone in an equivalent situation saying they typically date tall men conveys a similar sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 09:33 PM
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If you were to challenge someone whose perspective is the opposite of yours, are there any particular sources you'd like them to consult?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 09:17 PM
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Perhaps it would make sense to distinguish between "too fat to be very healthy" and "too fat to be (visually/sexually) attractive". I guess it doesn't take much to get unhealthily fat (most Americans are overweight?), but I nevertheless find many "plus size"/SSBBW women very attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 08:17 PM
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How convinced are you that men's libido is much stronger than women's? I don't know enough to deny your claim, but I'm aware good cases can be made both for and against it. Women being more worried about safety, having been more socially conditioned to be sexually restrained etc. are a couple of points that could be mentioned in your claim's disfavour. Then there's been, among other things, some research on gay men's and lesbians' sex lives, which seem to substantiate your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 07:47 PM
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I don't know whether it applies to most men, but it probably does apply to a good number of men. I imagine that the reluctance to admit it can be partly explained by social conditioning/pressure, just like in the case of some women's attitude toward shorter men. As for me, my outlook is basically the same as that of another commenter I saw moments ago: I find many fat women attractive, and there's nothing secret about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:36 AM
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So it does boil down to something visceral rather than something social/personal?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 10:31 PM
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Am I wrong in assuming that that doesn't really have anything to do with physical attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 09:48 PM
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Not sure how common it is to reject women for being too tall, but I imagine that insofar as it happens, it's largely because some men can't deal with being shorter than the women in question rather than tall women being seen as physically unattractive by those men. However, when it comes to women rejecting short men and men rejecting women they deem fat, it's arguably about physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 09:47 PM
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Who's "Lizzo"? Not Lindsay Lohan? Maybe I'm not up to speed on her physique.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 12:50 PM
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You've never seen neither a good looking 60-year-old man nor woman? Or did you mean just men?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 12:37 PM
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Overall, I don't think the dad bods will rank anywhere near as high as the guys you mentioned, but that doesn't preclude that some women also are somewhat (in some cases even very) attracted to dad bods. Moreover, what if the dad bod guy in question has a much better dick than the lean and muscular guy he's compared with? As to the bigger picture, though... Yeah, I won't be fooled.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 11:34 PM
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Nearly one in three college men admit they might rape a woman if they knew no one would find out and they wouldn’t face any consequences, according to a new study conducted by researchers at the University of North Dakota. That's disgusting. I don't know how reliable the study is, but I know this type of guy exists and it's bad. Somehow, it reminded me of: https://nypost.com/2019/06/21/a-third-of-women-only-date-men-because-of-the-free-food-study/ Also about a third. No, rape and using people fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 12:19 PM
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Then there are people like me, who haven't been abused but who acknowledge that there are bad men out there, but who nonetheless hesitate adopting some of your perspectives. It's more likely that your personal circumstances explain your perception than that only 5% of men would make good partners for women while 60% of women would make good partners for men. I have the same reaction to e.g. people who demonize immigrants, by the way. Or to men who generalize excessively about women. There may be…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 02:10 AM
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I haven't weighed in on to what extent women make exceptions like that for men they find physically attractive. I got curious about NarniaFox's assessments of looks. Have a look at the third guy she linked a photo of, for instance. Then imagine a woman on that guy's level. Can you easily say that she would not be attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 01:19 AM
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I'm not surprised that there are men you don't connect with, but I'm curious about the generally negative impression you have. Not everyone shares your experience. How come? Do you have any suspicions regarding that? Maybe you have been a lot in one kind of environment/around one kind of men. Or do you somehow trigger them sexually to an abnormal extent? I am sure wealthy men skew the numbers with very large donations. Right, but if we're going to bring up such explanatory circumstances, then th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 01:09 AM
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That does make men look bad, but again, I'd have to get a better idea of the share of killers and rapists relative to the overall population. Let's try to angle things differently, though. Is it conceivable that men are overrepresented also among people who e.g. donate money and among people who save others' lives? Something similar might be going on when it comes to this as in the case of IQ: men being overrepresented on both extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 10:34 PM
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I'll admit I picked one of the better pics of Teller when I challenged you. I don't know how often his body looks like that. Yeah, how should that be determined? The criterions should be what most people find relevant, but what does that mean in practice? Facial symmetry, the nature of the skin? Hair/body hair? Bodily proportions? I haven't really tried to make any actual rankings before. It's difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 10:26 PM
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Right, but the share of the total population that are killers (war-induced killing excluded, I suppose?) or rapists isn't excessive, one would hope, in which case those numbers don't really say much as far as your 5% vs. 60% claim goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 10:17 PM
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It's tricky, because what I find most sexually attractive (somewhat chubby, feminine women? legs, ass, hips!) isn't necessarily what I find most aesthetically impressive/pleasing (crossfit women? good chest-waist, shoulder-waist and hip-waist ratios, lean physiques, symmetry), if I try to look at it objectively insofar as that is possible. Then there is the complicating fact that men and women prioritize differently. Being short isn't much of an issue for women, but it can be for men. What's the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 10:05 PM
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I find the topic very interesting, but it's difficult to assess. I guess Paul Dano and Seth Rogen might be decent examples, even though in pics like this, Rogen looks pretty good. Either way, your categorization of Miles Teller as average made me wonder about whether you'd hold women to a similar standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 09:37 PM
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What makes you think the difference is that striking? Have you come across any interesting research about it? It's pretty sad if true, but I'm not convinced it is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 09:29 PM
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Ok, in what way would the woman equivalent of the third guy be not attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 09:22 PM
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When you say that the bar is low for just sex, then that's probably ambiguous, don't you think? While you don't care much about his personality, you may still have very high standards for looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 09:20 PM
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I'm not gay, but I wouldn't say any of those guys look bad. One of them looks older and unfit, though, but age should be taken into account. If you try to imagine the female equivalents of them, what do you imagine? All unattractive women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 09:09 PM
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Do you find Ansari average largely due to his height? As to Miles Teller, if he's average purely based on looks, then I'd like to know which women you consider average.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 08:44 PM
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The result is that I don't look slim even though I'm a low weight. Regardless of Hollywood ideals, what do you think about your thighs? Thick thighs turn me on. Anyway, who's to say you can't look slim even if your thighs don't? You could still have a narrow waist, for one. Besides, having big thighs can make your waist appear narrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 07:49 PM
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Basically, that different people prioritize differently. That appearance doesn't explain everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 03:32 PM
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I do actually get it, but now, as opposed to yesterday, I also get that you're not always communicating in good faith, judging by some of your replies to me and various other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:33 PM
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Insofar as it can be objectively determined, he's not out of your league in terms of casual sex. However, I was less sure when it comes to a relationship, because maybe he somehow is rich. I wouldn't think so, based on how you described him, but he could have had some inheritance or earned a lot of money years ago. I guess not, though, and that his redeeming traits are his intelligence and personality. Nothing mysterious about that. Maybe your personality isn't as interesting as his, just like h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:17 PM
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There might be a mitigating circumstance if they favour traditional gender roles, though. But I don't know yet whether the person I asked does that. Either way, I think "don't approach" is a fine recommendation for everyone, assuming they're fine with possibly not being approached by anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 01:52 PM
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No, but I do sometimes face backlash due to... people taking liberties interpreting. Though, that happens mainly with a certain type of person - and only online. Anyway, what made you think that? Not sure if you reacted to something for good reason or just misinterpreted whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 07:42 PM
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Ok, I see. I didn't quite understand why you'd be interested in him, given how you described him. I think you only listed what you consider his negative traits. Do you have reason to think he has options? Options that are on your level, looks-wise?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 07:02 PM
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What made you approach that guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 06:45 PM
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I second the "go ahead"!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 06:13 PM
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What made you realize after having sex with the guy that you were not attracted to him at all? How in doubt were you before you had sex with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 06:11 PM
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By the way, have you ever come across guys whose confidence has been higher than one would think their characteristics really warrant?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 06:04 PM
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The context being casual sex? One would think you are a good number of leagues above him, yes. That said, why did he reject you? Do you have a shitty personality? Does his dick not work? Also, as far as I understand, there are women who reject guys who are a league or several above them. Not long ago, I read an article about overweight women who weren't satisfied with average men. They needed fit men. I don't blame them. If they can pull it off, good for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 05:49 PM
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Do you have any inkling as to why they don't want a relationship? Maybe they all just don't want a relationship with anyone, but if that's not the case, what about your personality could be an issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 05:39 PM
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Do the men who hurt you come from all walks of life, or have you gravitated toward certain types?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 05:26 PM
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I think they are true to some - maybe a far - extent. More true when it comes to long-term relationships than casual sex. However, for the statements to be as true as you suggest, a good amount of women would have to be liars, and I don't see why they would lie about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 05:16 PM
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Have you approached guys in various areas/states/countries or has the location largely been the same? Have you approached a variety of guys or one narrow type?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 05:10 PM
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Don't rush to conclusions. You might actually be the one with the most extreme perspective here. I would of course not deny that you and others are attracted to men who are shorter than you. I am, on the other hand, wondering whether the statements "If you approach a girl at a bar and you’re at least her height, I promise that it isn’t a factor in deciding whether or not to give you a chance." and "Dick size isn’t important at all as long as she’s comfortable and feels wanted." are a bit inaccur…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 05:00 PM
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What's the solution, in your view? Should "don't approach" be a universal recommendation? Or "everyone should approach"? Or men should, but women should not? Yes, a man approaching does show some initiative, which may indicate sincere interest, but couldn't that apply to both men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 04:54 PM
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What would be your reaction if somebody recommended that men too ignore those who don't approach them? Do you think that women who don't approach are suspect (e.g. will exploit men in some way if approached?), not properly interested etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 04:45 PM
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So you think that those who say they simply aren't attracted to men who aren't taller than them are lying? And that self-styled "size queens" are bullshitting? I guess it's not impossible, but I'm not quite ready to think so. However, I don't know exactly how common those preferences are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 04:06 PM
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I wonder whether your two last sentences are a bit exaggerated. No, I'm not speaking from experience, but I have read a lot of discussions of this kind in the last five+ years. Granted, of course I can't know for sure that whatever internet people are who they say they are or that they are truthful about their preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:51 PM
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Just to check: do only stereotypes about such men or all stereotypes exist for a reason? That is, stereotypes about women, stereotypes about whatever demographic group?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 11:59 AM
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Do you live in a generally sunny country/area? and I tell any young women to start young if they want to age slower. Maybe you should rather tell young men! I dont say it to be dismissive, its just the reality of many men my age. Its my dating range. Its just truth bombs. LOL Yeah, as I said, it seems like it doesn't apply as much to you as I first thought. However, how prevalent do you reckon it is overall? That is, to talk about how they look better than whoever, all while one's own looks are …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:24 AM
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My injections are not really a factor at all. Ok. I have no reason to doubt that. I dont rely on it, if I did I wouldn't not be run out right now if you catch my drift. Hahaha! I dont find it problematic, I dont need to emphasize it, it is what it is. I took care of my skin and others didnt. I see now that this perhaps doesn't apply to you, but generally speaking, I find it problematic to describe other people's looks in dismissive terms and boast of one's own looks if one's own superior looks t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:07 AM
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Thanks. Though, I've been reprimanded by a mod once. I wonder whether there will be a next time!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:55 AM
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Does this mean you dismiss the suggestion that it's generally easier for women than for men to get casual sex with people who are out of their league?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:28 AM
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I find that the area under - and that on the sides of - the eyes typically gives some clues about aging, so in those cases, some will be incentivized to use make-up to deal with that. Maybe you don't need it, or wouldn't care about it anyway, but I strongly suspect that it's not a wildly uncommon thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:22 AM
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That said, women are becoming increasingly independent, which influences societal norms. And being fascinated by youth is universal. Anyway, you said "dating", but I (misguidedly?) thought about casual sex too, not just relationship-oriented dating, which partly explains my reaction to your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:16 AM
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Ok, good for you that you thought about these things in your 20s! I'm in my 30s (and a guy), who started focusing more on it a few years ago. Do you wear sunscreen regardless of the weather? Do you find it slightly problematic to emphasize that you look young and that many men don't, considering your reliance on artificial means? You seem to have good habits, so who knows how much of your youthful look the injections account for, but it is apparently a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:09 AM
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But do you think it would be equally easy for you and him to attract not just "partners" (whoever they may be), but people who are more physically attractive than yourself/himself?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:01 AM
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I hope reality isn't quite as bleak as you depicted it there. Anyway, you forgot about the aspect I was most curious about: if you were into casual sex, do you think the experience of your hypothetical male equivalent would be disappointing compared to how your experience would have been? It boils down to how much easier you think it would be for you than for him to attract people considered more attractive. Or, I guess not if you prioritized other factors than looks a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:41 AM
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I don't know... Some half-subtle make-up around the eyes would in some cases go a long way as far as looking younger goes, one would think.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:37 AM
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Why do you barely have a wrinkle, you think? Not tanning excessively, wearing sunscreen, minding your diet? Have you resorted to any artificial means?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:32 AM
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Why did you expect the number to be lower?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:30 AM
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Not denying that cancel culture is a thing, but whatever happened to Marilyn Manson? And when?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:06 AM
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Do you have an example of a woman being paid less for the same amount of work? I see so many conflicting perspectives on this issue that I don't know what to think. I don't see why an employer would discriminate like that. It doesn't make sense. Not in terms of fairness, nor in terms of pure business. This is why I am a bit skeptical of your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:57 PM
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Would you mind elaborating? What truths about the system do most men want to bring attention to? What disingenuousness do you have in mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:11 PM
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Can you get it from men (way?) more attractive than yourself now? If so, how different do you reckon the experience of a hypothetical man equivalent of you would be in this respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:07 PM
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Would you like that to change? Do you think it will change?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:03 PM
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If so, do your economic views also align with your relationship views? Pretty much. Just like I struggle (at least I did struggle the last times I tried hard) finding non-contradictory arguments in favour of forcing peaceful people to do stuff (including giving away whatever share of their wealth), I find encouraging people to get romantic/sexual with people they aren't interested in to be a bad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:17 PM
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Interesting that her husband is more masculine. In what ways is he less physically attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:09 AM
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That sounds concerning. Were you less impressed by him (looks and personality) than by the guy she cheated on?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:50 AM
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As I tried to communicate, I agree that nobody should be forced to have sex with anyone. That, however, doesn't render your comparison immune from criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:00 AM
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No, it's not completely blind to what you said. Don't build strawmen! Of course a woman shouldn't have to be penetrated (even by her husband) if she doesn't want to. However, in the case of the man in your scenario, there is both him being penetrated by someone he isn't attracted to and him engaging in an activity (anal sex) he arguably thinks his body isn't made for.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:33 AM
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That is, you think men are biologically wired to want sex more? I'm still trying to get to the bottom of this issue. There are some indications in that perspective's favour, but some people are very determined that insofar as men appear to want sex more than women, it's because of various forms of social conditioning and safety issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 10:24 PM
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And how many are there in that group?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 10:09 PM
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That seems like somewhat of an imbalance, assuming you have about as many man and woman acquaintances. Do you think the imbalance is representative, or does something else likely explain it (sample size, women possibly being more secretive (which I now see you mentioned!), you name it)?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 10:03 PM
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Do you know what triggered that itch?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 09:53 PM
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First, I thought "Damn, you got me!", but moments later it hit me that perhaps the scenario would be more analogous if you said "getting a blowjob by him", "giving him a blowjob", "be the penetratING partner" or something, since being penetrated is less natural for men (they don't even have the relevant body part).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 09:36 PM
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If she somehow knows for certain that the guy won't reject her for having sex early on, then, yes, there are no reasons to worry about what the guy thinks, but how many such cases are there in practice? If there are very many, then I cannot but assume that the women in question are paranoid. That said, I regularly see women say that they get better results by making men wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 09:24 PM
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I don't think that's inconsistent, at least not in the same way. In that scenario, the woman is more concerned with how the guy she likes a lot thinks of her, so she is more careful. In a world void of silly games (games made by both men and women), it would indeed make sense for the woman to give him what he wants early on. Assuming she found him physically attractive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 08:46 PM
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It's not necessarily women's problem. At least not only women's. What do the quality guys move on to? Another woman who makes them wait, maybe. Before you know it, they'd be back here, posting about how women are making them wait (possibly because some of those quality men encouraged them not to be sluts).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 08:28 PM
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I'll try another angle, since you don't seem receptive to what I've said so far. If society/men tell women not to make "quality men" wait, but also say that women who give in soon are sluts, then it's not inconceivable that that will make some women wait longer before having sex, which might affect some of those "quality men". So there's not only the issue of logical inconsistency, but also the issue of practical consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 08:19 PM
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I'm pretty sure that the extent to which a man acts in accordance with his own words (whether in an established relationship or early in the dating phase) has some bearing on how seriously a woman takes him. Do you dispute that? Of course, I won't deny that there also are some women who are confused or influenced by cognitive dissonance. Someone who's in a relationship as unbalanced as the one you described should probably end the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 08:02 PM
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Quite many seem to react to the kind of at least ostensibly contradictory statements I referred to. Besides, regardless of what any woman thinks of it, by being logically inconsistent like that, the person in question pretty much disqualifies oneself from being taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 06:46 PM
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It's also a possible logical consistency problem for some men, insofar as they say that women should not make "quality guys" wait long, but also say that women who don't wait a bit are sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 06:13 PM
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I wonder whether both you and the person you replied to paint with a too broad brush. There are different kinds of feminists. Some view men paying women for sex as exploitation. However, I don't know how numerous they are compared to the, I guess, relatively more libertarian ones you have in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 12:32 PM
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Ok, but then what sparked the change of attitude? What made you start leaving the comfort zone? You said it was like a switch that flipped, but I suspect there's more to it than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 12:08 PM
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Do you typically reach your goals? What if you don't reach some goal, do you then handle it badly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 03:20 AM
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If they got it faster, what share of the "quality guys" would then dismiss the woman as not suitable for a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 01:17 AM
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Ok, so defying your mother was the primary reason you didn't wear make-up in the first place all that time, not just in the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 11:56 PM
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But if you acknowledge that some men and women value these things differently, then you don't really have any reason to object to what flapperfemmefatale said. To me it looked as if you didn't actually acknowledge the different values given to casual sex, which would entail confusion on your part. If, however, you did acknowledge it, then I'm at a loss as to why you reacted. And yeah, people have becomes quite the snowflakes recently, but eh. Not sure how to interpret the "but eh"... If you're i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 11:53 PM
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What made you start wanting to use it five years after moving out?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 11:43 PM
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In that case, the men who are repulsed by those women should avoid the women in question. I don't think they should try to negotiate their attraction. The problem is that if you view being good enough for casual sex, but not for more as admirable, whereas some woman views being good enough for sex only as nothing special, then there (as evidenced by some of the exchanges on this site) will be confusion/communication problems. It'll look like you are talking about different things, while attempte…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 10:01 PM
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I didn't mean to suggest that attraction can be negotiated, so what made you think I claimed that? As to your last sentence, I think that the people who "feel that way" about people like flapperfemmefatale should try to think a little more and feel a little less. It's like if I called you "a gentleman" and you took offense, even if I tended to use it as a compliment, not as something derogatory. It would be unfair of you to try to force me to think that being a gentleman is something terrible, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 08:09 PM
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By the way, do you do any resistance training?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 07:57 PM
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But how overweight were you? I don't know how rigidly most people use the word "chubby". Also, for the sake of clarity, it was mainly your mother who made you not want to be invisible anymore, even though you liked it at the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 07:54 PM
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That's interesting, but, I guess, not surprising. Were you actually invisible when chubby? If by "chubby" you mean a bit overweight, then I see very attractive, chubby women all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 07:19 PM
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I understand where they come from, the guys who don't like the idea of having to wait longer than some other guys had to, but flapperfemmefatale did make a good point. She doesn't have the same fixation on casual sex as source of value, which is why it's futile to criticise somebody like her for having sex with some guys after shorter time than with others. It's a question of raw sexual excitement (which you'd be hard-pressed to alter significantly, given biology), since people like her don't ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 07:17 PM
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Would you mind elaborating? Did men or women seem to react most strongly to your appearance (whatever it was), or was it about equal? Was it more relevant to everyday life/work than to your romantic/sexual realm?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 07:01 PM
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Have you experimented with that performativity? Have you made a lot of observations involving the link between how you look and how you're treated?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:51 PM
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And to what extent did your mother's efforts to make you wear make-up succeed?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:46 PM
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When did you start noticing that society as a whole enforced the hair/makeup practice, and in what ways was it enforced?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:42 PM
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Did you get "tough love" to such a degree that it affected you negatively in any way? I have a prejudice, according to which people who grow up like that become at least a little uptight. And if the upbringing is messed up in other ways, well... I have some prejudice about that too, but the result could manifest itself in various ways. Regardless of possible negatives, I assume you are admirably ambitious and maybe (probably?) not very emotional/easily offended?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:12 PM
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I was about to ask about "(sometimes unwanted) boy advice", but then it dawned on me that you're probably a woman, not a man, in which case I know what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:02 PM
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Would you mind revealing when (1980s or whenever) your father was reprimanding you for acting feminine?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 05:58 PM
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I'm a guy, and both my mother and father were relatively flexible about their roles (dad cooking, vacuuming, doing groceries etc. quite often, mom fixing various practical things inside the house that, I guess, men typically sort out). I don't really remember gender roles being pushed on me at all, but my mother sometimes insinuated that she wished either I or my dad were better at/more interested in stuff that men traditionally have been good at (carpenting, electricians' tasks and so on). My d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 05:54 PM
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But that applies to everyone, and yet several commenters here seem to try to tell flapperfemmefatale how she should think about - and value - sex. It doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 01:09 PM
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Good point, but it's not a super popular question among women. Perhaps those guys (given their fixation) still would benefit from asking, though, so that either she'd answer (maybe, maybe not in a way the guy likes), or react badly to the question, only for the relationship to end.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 01:01 PM
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I think what she says shouldn't be ignored. It doesn't make sense to impose priorities on others. Men might be insulted when not seen as sexually attractive enough, but can you really blame someone who thinks differently about sex for that? Those who get sex, but not much more, are rejected for their attitudes, intellectual shortcomings, you name it. It's not only a question of what random men value (only sex?), but also a question of what the person who rejects those men value (apparently not o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 12:24 PM
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The reason I asked is that your comment made me wonder about the share of successful women who succeeded largely due to their looks (models, some pop stars, TV personalities etc.) or other factors that aren't very related to their IQ. There are similar tendencies among men too (same categories as mentioned in the above parenthesis (though arguably to a more limited extent?), plus athletes etc.), so it might be more equal than I initially thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 11:50 PM
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Ok, that's interesting too. I believe I have read about it before, but it's not what I was curious about now. I'll re-phrase: Are "low IQ almost certainly guarantees poverty" and "If someone is successful, you will often find they have high IQ" significantly more true for either sex, or is it near equally true for both?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 11:29 PM
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Regarding your last paragraph, do you find it's about equally true for both men and women, or are there some significant differences?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 11:13 PM
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I'm not trying to deflect. My opinion isn't as clear-cut as it once was. On one hand, if society were to be re-organized, and there would be a socialist society, a purely free-market society et cetera, and people could choose where to live, I might have chosen to live in the former. Safety nets of various sorts is not a bad idea. At the same time, when it comes to the world we actually live in, I find I don't have any fully adequate, non-contradictory arguments according to which e.g. (peaceful)…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 03:22 AM
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Yes, it's different, but I don't know how accurate a description "taking from one gender to provide free money to the other" is. It strikes me as very simplified, but you might still be onto something. Barely-moral has argued along the same lines before, and I remember finding his arguments interesting and worthwhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 02:27 AM
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Is it fair to take money from men and give it to women yes or no? If wealth redistribution is unfair, then it follows logically that it's unfair to distribute wealth from men to women. I haven't focused much on the moral questions underpinning this lately, but some years ago, when I did, I wasn't able to refute arguments according to which threats/use of initiatory coercion (which wealth distribution etc. rely on) cannot be justified. Whether that's because the arguments were very good or I was …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 01:28 AM
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How would the statistics change if things like maternity leave and some men preferring (and hence living with) a housewife were accounted for? What is your preferred source of this kind of numbers? The government literally takes men's money and redistributes it to women. Do you think that's fair? I feel like I've been answering all the questions here can you answer that one? Yes, because you proposed something that piqued my curiosity. I have usually not angled it in this way. Whether wealth red…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 11:39 PM
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How much more do women rely on welfare? There's also the question of how many men and women, respectively, would be happy after your hypothetical return to monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 11:04 PM
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Why would using taxation in the name of monogamy be acceptable, but not contemporary welfare? Does it boil down to a utilitarian calculation that happens to favour men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 09:55 PM
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Would the monogamy result naturally from the political changes, or do you have something else in mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 07:52 PM
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What do you think about the prospects of some men not wanting monogamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 06:42 PM
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Would you mind elaborating on the "return to strict monogamy"? How would it look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 06:23 PM
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it's weird and outdated to be hypocritical like that. Yeah, it's not really my view, but I have tried to be open-minded about it after seeing some angles/arguments on this subreddit that I hadn't really thought about before. One would think that if sleeping around causes pair-bonding issues etc. for women, then it does that for men too. However, something else that's typically mentioned in these discussions is how experienced/inexperienced men are perceived by women compared to how experienced/i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 05:33 PM
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What should be done to facilitate men's pursuit of "their natural sexual paradigm"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 05:02 PM
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But let's dig a little deeper. A guy who sleeps around and who doesn't want a woman who sleeps around has certain assumptions (about women who sleep around) that may or may not be true, depending on the individual. Likewise, an experienced woman who doesn't want an inexperienced man has certain assumptions (about inexperienced men) that may or may not be true, depending on the individual. Do you see how the cases can be comparable, even though, at least on the surface, the guy who doesn't want w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 04:41 PM
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Ok. What if a woman cares about whether a man is inexperienced? Or would like to know more about his financial situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 04:19 PM
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What's DINK? Dual income, no kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 04:13 PM
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a man who cares about pasts isn't worth it anyway Does the same apply to women who care about pasts? And what if it concerns something else than the sexual realm? How to determine whether it makes sense to care about the past or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 04:12 PM
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But that's not quite how it would work, is it...? Or maybe it's how the person who made the post meant it, but I think it's more interesting to imagine that the change would have applied from birth. In that case, perhaps the guy who turned out to be your husband wouldn't have fancied your looks. If you think about it in this way, it arguably gets more challenging (or maybe it would make the choice easier and you'd definitely not have done the trade?).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 03:40 PM
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I'm not very concerned with this issue personally, but I find the discussion interesting and it seems like your interpretation of what they meant is a bit uncharitable, so let me: Can you imagine a case of "They did it for her, but not for me" that almost, but not quite would rub you the wrong way? Can you think of a case of "They did it for her, but not for me" that definitely would rub you the wrong way?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 03:49 AM
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That Twitter woman is one person. What about the angle that women can be as attracted to a guy they make wait as to a guy they didn't make wait, but that they make guys they might want a relationship with wait lest they would otherwise be viewed as easy and then rejected?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 12:04 AM
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Has what you've had to deal with been a recurring thing? It would be if you made the hypothetical trade. Not always assault or anything, of course, but the possibility would be lurking.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 11:10 PM
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What if you did change for the better, physically, but also would have to deal with lots of unwanted attention, mostly from people stronger than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 10:28 PM
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I was about to ask whether you would have sacrificed some of your looks in favour of less attention from people you don't want anything to do with, but your fourth point may give an idea as to how you'd answer that. However, there's still the question of how far you would have gone, i.e. how much of your looks/options for casual sex you would have sacrificed. Oh, you actually said "far less options"... Would you easily have made that trade? Also if it wasn''t phrased as "far less casual sex opti…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 10:09 PM
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How not seriously do you find that what you say is taken, and in which environments? And why do you think it's the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 09:59 PM
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By the way, do you have in mind the studies/references that /u/Appropriate-Ad2175 linked or something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 04:51 PM
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I don’t think that benefits are a real motivation for cheating? I think it relatively often is the reason people cheat instead of ending the relationship. Perhaps the partner comes with some benefits that the cheater wouldn't like to give up. It could be about wealth/standard of living, household tasks, you name it. Cheating in women tends to be less about sexual needs and more about emotional needs. I've been checking out the Dead Bedrooms subreddit over the last few years, and reading there ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 04:05 PM
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Ok, I understand what was going on now. I like to hear about why people choose cheating instead of ending the relationship. I suppose it boils down mainly to a curiosity about in how many of the cases it has to do with not wanting to give up certain benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 03:26 PM
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Why did you think along the lines of cheating rather than ending the relationship with that guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 03:15 PM
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Ok, so the main issue was that your partner didn't seem to find you as sexy as that other guy did?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 12:59 AM
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Would you mind elaborating on how your insecurities made you cheat?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 12:04 PM
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I've seen plenty women on here and IRL dismiss high count men as being fuckbois etc. Yes, I've seen some examples of it on this sub too. It's only the guys on here I've seen state a preference for low n women when they themselves are high n. Right. Certain things - like this issue, but also women's height preference - were largely unknown to me until I started seeing references to them in various internet discussions. Men on here are also really against being step dads I'm at least a little puzz…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 05:16 PM
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If the studies you mentioned are reliable, what can I say? May women be liberated - from marriage, children, tradition and cultural pressure! Granted, I'm a guy who's never felt any urge to be in a traditional relationship, and I also think the planet would be fine without endless population growth, so my perspective is somewhat unrepresentative and predictable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 10:30 PM
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Yes, that is stupid. The question is whether casanovas who prefer virgins are less stupid than what one would immediately think. I'm suspicious of the argument according to which women who sleep around have pair-bonding issues while men who do the same don't have those issues. Still, do you find that there are hints of mitigating circumstances at all when considering other factors? Or would you also throw in the bullshit bin e.g. the claim that a woman having had few/no partners is (by men) cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 10:21 PM
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Right, but remind me: the attention you get isn't limited to dating apps/the online realm, correct? Anyway, men generally seem more eager than women about sex, so there's arguably something more fundamental going on (libido differences, attitude differences, whatever, regardless of gender ratios in various environments).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 09:40 PM
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Reading those discussions made me go from thinking basically "Opportunistic motherfuckers..." to "What's that? That your preference isn't a double standard, but rather comparable to women being short while preferring tall men?". I still think guys who sleep around but who want virgins are closer to relying on a double standard than short women who want tall men are, but I'm now less sure about to what extent it's a double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 09:27 PM
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That's how I used to think as well until I read some discussions about it on this site. One interesting point that's quite often mentioned is that women who have had few partners are not viewed with suspicion by men, whereas men who have had few partners are viewed as suspicious by women. And that women don't particularly shy away from men who sleep around, but that men are suspicious of women who sleep around (I'm not sure to what extent those four claims are true). So, men and women may have d…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 07:37 PM
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It does boil down to your options, but why do you get those options in the first place? Some think it boils down to men having a higher libido, while others think it's a more cultural thing (women being conditioned to restrain themselves etc.). Then there's men being physically stronger, which also affects men and women's behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 07:25 PM
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Would you mind elaborating on "But there's a lot with a double standard on that which doesn't make sense to me" then? What is it, specifically, that doesn't make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 07:15 PM
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Yeah, that's pretty fascinating. How you, as a self-styled average woman, "can't even look at" average men. What do you think all this boils down to? Men's libido? Cultural conditioning that works differently on men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 05:07 PM
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And what are some examples of what you think of as "bullshit justifications" when it comes to guys who'd like to dodge women who've had many partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 05:03 PM
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You imply that someone who hasn't had many partners would be a bad partner. That assumption may or may not be accurate. The same applies to the assumption (which you probably view as misguided) that a woman who's had many partners would be unreliable and a bad fit for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 04:59 PM
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There is the question of whether it's a double standard, yes. However, there is also you making assumptions about guys who haven't had many partners, while you say it doesn't make sense for guys to make assumptions about women who have had many partners. Do you see how that might seem like a double standard as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 04:55 PM
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How do you typically get along with those men compared to more average guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 01:06 AM
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Ok. Do you have any impression of how much more misguided it is to make assumptions about women who've had many partners than about men who have had few? And if so, why? I have a rather relaxed attitude toward both, by the way, but I am interested in what combinations of attitudes that are contradictory/inconsistent and not when it comes to these issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 12:57 AM
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Yeah, I haven't gone about it in a very analytic way, so I don't really know. Fun and easy conversation... Including intellectually stimulating? How did her overall self-discipline seem? If you're stubborn, do things your way etc., I am tempted to just assume that you'd pass if she lacked certain personal characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 12:04 AM
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I was just thinking that if you are unusually physically attractive, then it's not surprising that you're having an easy time attracting all those men. But you claim that you are average, which makes your experience/case a bit more interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 11:49 PM
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What do you think about men who don't want a relationship with women who have had many partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 11:44 PM
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I have an inkling, but what makes you find male chastity unattractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 11:41 PM
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You have your reasons for not wanting such a guy. However, what do you think about men who don't want relationships with women who have had many partners? Does their perspective make sense or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 11:38 PM
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Does this mean you don't think that guys who don't want relationships with women who have had many sexual partners are misguided?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 11:34 PM
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Would you mind elaborating on the last sentence?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 11:31 PM
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Ok. I'm aware that some men view single mothers and women above certain ages with suspicion, but if memory serves, you said that you get lots of attention when you're outside your home/offline too, so men outnumbering women on dating apps doesn't explain everything. You said you're about average all things considered, but do you still look however much better than average? At least for your age group.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 04:51 PM
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You learned how that particular woman works, anyway. I could probably find an example of a woman who's had many partners, who now is in a happy, stable, monogamous relationship. What made her interesting to you in the first place, by the way?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 04:39 PM
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What does "attractive enough" amount to? Would something like a male equivalent of yourself suffice or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 12:37 AM
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I'd be a little careful with that logic. It's conceivable that somebody who for some reason doesn't approach someone nonetheless would have been a better option than the one who approaches and seems confident. Additionally, how often are people who appear confident actually confident? Or perhaps: to what extent do their abilities/traits give them reason to act in a very confident way? There's the "fake it till you make it" crew. Then there are those who are more delusional about themselves. That…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 12:20 AM
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I'll just assume you described your experience accurately there. However, how would you rate your own attractiveness? Does your experience suggest that you're quite a bit more attractive than the average woman? Or is it more a question of men outnumbering women significantly on dating apps, which has some predictable effects?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 12:08 AM
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Have you come across any recent studies on this? I won't be shocked if it's true, but I still find it somewhat puzzling. Perhaps it should be clarified exactly what's meant. Is it a question of overestimating what one brings to the table considering current sexual market conditions, or of overestimating one's charm, fitness etc. relative to the charm, fitness etc. of the other person? It's possible that Bob has more attractive traits than Jane, but that the latter still gets better results due t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 11:52 PM
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Is that a clear tendency today, or is it mainly something that used to be the case? It's puzzling, because what guys (and, I believe, some women) say on sites like this indicates that men don't particularly overestimate their attractiveness. I've seen enough examples of men who just want "a plain, kind woman who isn't obese" or something along those lines. Granted, it's possible these guys still overestimate themselves, and they are random examples, as opposed to a study, so the representativity…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 11:44 PM
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I don't know about the people who fixate on sexual past, but I try to be principled about the way I go about things, so I don't see any issue with your ATM example. The extent to which the car and ATM analogies are accurate, though, is another question. I tend to prefer people who are open-minded and relaxed (including about sex), so I'm not sold on the "many sexual partners = trouble" idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 02:40 PM
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Some of the men who find this question very important seem shitty, yes, but not all. I stick to what I said, i.e. that it's dramatic to reject someone simply because of a guy being curious, just like it would be dramatic to reject a woman if she's curious about a guy's financial situation. I'm not sure how many who find it "disgusting". They rather highlight that guys who sleep around seem popular among women, and that men who've had few partners are viewed as suspicious. Those who react badly t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 12:18 PM
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I don't have a good answer to the "Why?", since I'm not among those who find the sexual history question very relevant. I'm trying to approach it in a more general, principled way. Would you say that someone asking their potential partner about their financial situation would be reason for an about equally skeptical reaction? Would it warrant a "Why?" too?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 10:03 PM
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Yes, but I said "in some cases". I don't know what percentage. Some might have more innocent reasons for bringing it up. If just asking about it is reason for rejection, then there arguably are many other questions (some of which involving finances, perhaps?) that also should warrant rejection, but maybe those who think about it in this way all are logically consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 06:32 PM
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I don't find that a particularly interesting question, but what I do find interesting is that quite many are so sensitive to it. Why would the other person asking about it be enough to call off things with them? It seems pretty dramatic to me, but on the other hand, I guess the question could in some cases indicate some kind of rigid, bigoted thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 05:29 PM
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I guess I'd generally think that she should trust her gut (better safe than sorry), but it would still be interesting to hear more specifically what the supposedly creepy person did. While creeps do exist, so do drama people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 01:08 AM
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What makes him below average according to current trends?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 12:28 AM
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Right, and how much do looks seem to matter compared with your personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 01:02 PM
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Personally, if I were to chase anyone, I wouldn't see any reason to prefer going after people who are decades younger than me rather than people around my own age or older, but I nevertheless wouldn't say that the hypothetical 55-year-old woman necessarily is a predator. Maybe she is, maybe she isn't. If it always is predatory regardless of the involved people's motives and development level, then I think there are some older people who should never be in relationships, have sex etc. as well. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 12:59 PM
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Sure, but there is a difference between something not being a top preference and settling for something. Aren't there some things you are just largely neutral about? Women's height, by any chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 02:33 AM
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In some cases, I guess, but there are people who just don't mind the waist not being slim. Some women say they don't mind bald guys et cetera. Are all those women settling too? Different people, different preferences/dealbreakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 12:27 AM
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What if she has somewhat of a belly, but also a nice ass and tits? What's the male equivalent of that? Maybe a chubby guy with half-decent biceps and shoulders, but I don't know how popular that type is relative to the chubby woman. As to women already being given much slack when it comes to this, to some extent yes, but it's mixed. Reminiscent of how women talk about men and height/dick size. Yes, there is some open-mindedness or neutrality, but there sure is some disparaging talk as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 10:38 PM
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Regarding the last paragraph, is your attitude toward that the same, regardless of the sex of the older and younger person? Not just in terms of teenagers and harassment, but older people seeking out younger people more generally. Would, for instance, a 55-year-old woman largely chasing guys aged around 20 be suspicious or rather likely a fine woman living her life?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 09:23 PM
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It matters, because the greater the bodyfat percentage difference between men and women can be without the latter looking significantly worse, the more slack women should get for being fat(ter). The fundamental question may not be as specific as you think. 10% vs. 15% is just a random example.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 09:02 PM
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Yes, I agree. I phrased my half-rhetorical question clumsily. I gave examples similar to yours in another comment. With the comment you replied to, I tried to emphasize that some people end up in relationships with others who are superior to them in whatever ways, but without the former necessarily actively seeking out those traits in the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 08:51 PM
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I prefer the looks (and maybe also the attitude) of those who lean towards keeping things natural rather than being very styled. To some degree, I think the same about women and cosmetics as I think about men wearing lifts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 08:42 PM
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Okay. Do you have a clear idea of the bodyfat percentage beyond which women typically won't look as good as a man with 10% bodyfat? 15% being the equivalent, but I still probably shouldn't assume you think that all women suddenly look worse than the guy as soon as they reach 15.5%.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 08:20 PM
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I did read, but your "but carrying fat better is not the same thing as being a fat woman" made me wonder. Besides, I don't know what the woman equivalent of e.g. a 10%-bodyfat man would be. 15%...? More? First we'd have to determine that equivalence, then find out how much more excess fat women might (rightly) get away with, aesthetically. Perhaps I - and the woman I discussed this with - take it too far, though, and that there isn't that much reason to give women slack in the first place! I'm n…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 07:29 PM
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But if being fat has a worse impact on men's looks than on women's overall, then it follows that women should be given some slack when it comes to this particular issue (analogous to how it may make sense to give players who prefer virgins some slack). If the criterion was health rather than looks, then I suppose it would make less sense to treat the sexes differently like this, but we're discussing appearance at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 07:13 PM
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While we're at it, what percentage of men do you find interesting/view as potential good friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 07:02 PM
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Am I right in assuming that you aren't perfectly satisfied with the fact that "fatties started to send clear signals" after you got leaner? You'd prefer more diversity among those who show interest, I suppose, but why do you think there isn't more of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 07:01 PM
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For someone to be hypocritical, isn't it a necessary condition that they demand something of others, rather than end up being with someone who happens to have some traits the former likes a lot? I'm sure many people have ended up in relationships with people who are superior in various ways, but not always because the former had any non-negotiable requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 06:52 PM
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Right, but what obstructs those feelings in those cases?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 06:45 PM
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I had an exchange with a young, chubby woman a couple of years ago, and she warmed me up to the idea that women, overall, carry fat better than men. What do you think about that? If it is the case, it should be taken into account. Part of me is tempted to agree, but perhaps it's just my heterosexuality talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 06:43 PM
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It can be tempting to answer "yes", but upon further reflection, it clearly isn't necessarily hypocritical generally. I don't see why it would be hypocritical e.g. for a short woman to want a tall guy. Similarly, I have become more open to the idea that it isn't necessarily hypocritical for a guy who sleeps around to want a woman who doesn't sleep around. For instance, if it is the case that men who have had few/no partners are viewed with suspicion by women, but women who are in a similar situa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 06:37 PM
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Why wouldn't you be in a relationship with either of the two women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 06:23 PM
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Do you usually like those who approach you, and what do you think they like about you initially?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 06:19 PM
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That is, it would also be easy to get casual sex with guys you find properly attractive? Why do you reckon it's that easy?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 06:15 PM
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Would it be a stretch to say that the main reason you didn't feel a real attraction was his lifestyle/being overweight, or was there something else (more exclusively about his personality) that you didn't like too?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 06:12 PM
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How satisfied were you with what you found?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 06:03 PM
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Interesting. Before you reduced your bodyfat to 12-14%, no one indicated interest? Are you sure you paid enough attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 06:00 PM
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Yeah, I saw it. My comment was a mix of sillliness and something serious, and I don't know how doctrinaire the typical FDSer is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 05:55 PM
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What made you friendzone him?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 05:51 PM
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Not sure if I'm interpreting you too literally, but do you match with many people who you don't message? To be fair, I imagine they swipe on you first, though, then you swipe, but they don't message you? Either way, that seems like strange behaviour, regardless of who starts it. What made that 40-something more attractive than you (a mid-20s woman)? Why do you reckon you attract emotionally unavailable, low-quality men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 05:46 PM
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A harem in the making...? Might not even be a bad idea!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 05:32 PM
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All of the above should be counted, while minding they're different things. It takes less effort to like a photo online etc. than to approach someone in person. Do you find that women are more attractive due to grooming/style or genetics?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 05:19 PM
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What do you view as the main means by which you attract men (whether it happens deliberately or not)? Overall, have accomplished, attractive men been about as interested in you as the less attractive/average ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 05:15 PM
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In what ways are you picky? You consider most people who have approached you as... not good candidates, but have you been approached a lot? What about people you randomly see, do you find just a few of them attractive? Finally, to what extent do your answers to these questions vary depending on whether you focus on men or women (since you implied you're bisexual)?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 04:33 PM
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But would you say that TRP is associated with misogyny while FDS is not associated with misandry or do you think it's quite equal in that respect, i.e. that there are a lot of people whose impressions are distorted/thinking isn't sophisticated in both camps? To me, it looks like it's quite equal, but I don't know exactly to what extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 04:20 PM
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What are the main reasons women are more beautiful in your view? How would you react if I came across a bisexual person who sexually is about equally attracted to both sexes, but who nonetheless said that men and women are equally beautiful (or even that men are more beautiful)?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 04:14 PM
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Would you hold men to a similar standard? Maybe you would, but you seem quite out of touch with reality regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 01:30 AM
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You have a more thorough and systematic grasp of this than I have, so I'm not able to refute your points. Maybe they are accurate. Regardless, what do you think about TRP relative to FDS more generally? I have checked out both environments (albeit not recently), and to me, it seems like there are some clear similarities in terms of how they approach and describe the opposite sex. Perhaps TRP has more of a theoretical/(pseudo?)scientific basis, but that doesn't rule out the possibility of FDS non…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 01:13 AM
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You're single, but do you find you often have to fend off guys you don't find attractive? There's being single while rejecting people east and west, and there's being single as someone few others seem interested in in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 12:23 AM
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I imagine there is some diversity of preferences even among men on this sub. Anyway, you described your looks in a negative way, but what would you say are your best physical traits?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 12:06 AM
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Do you (and/or your partner) meet other people to tend to your other desires, or are you fine without it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 11:45 PM
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Wishful thinking, maybe? I hope you get a reply from OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 11:40 PM
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Do you have any impression of how comparable the two are in terms of attitudes toward the opposite sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 11:33 PM
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To what extent does the equivalent apply in the case of FDS?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 11:26 PM
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Right. I can relate in terms of not really feeling any need for a relationship. So far, I think my interest in that has been less than in sex. How about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 02:50 AM
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How dependent is whether you'd drop such a person on the extent to which you are crazy about him due to looks rather than personality in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 09:21 PM
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Yes, that makes sense. Maybe you busted an opportunist there. What made you crazy about him initially?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 09:14 PM
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Okay, so you think the guys who complain about the assholes who women supposedly keep giving a chance basically are a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Acknowledged.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 08:54 PM
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Yeah, I'm not very surprised. If I were to choose between a skinny and a chubby woman, there's a good chance I'd pick the latter. And no, it's not about being intimidated by skinny women. I'm in good shape myself. By "fortunately fat", I suppose you mean having fat in certain places.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 08:47 PM
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Yes, but how does the economically inferior party typically react to prenup suggestions? I agree that it's a good idea in certain cases, but it's possible to exploit someone for their wealth without being married. Perhaps it's ultimately the responsibility of the exploited person, but then the same applies to people who are exploited for sex, correct? They too could just have avoided the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 08:41 PM
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Ok, that's what I in a way hoped you would say, but then it hit me that perhaps the af/bb woman is worse, since, arguably, more is at stake (the other person's wealth etc.), but if he is filthy rich and a strong man, it may not matter that much to him, whereas if the woman in the other case is generally very sensitive, she will be hurt, so it's difficult to judge.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 12:26 AM
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Ok, how about this... The man who is with the af/bb-woman (or the woman who is with the casual sex guy) has some reason to be optimistic. Let's say that the woman in the former case is interested in a relationship with the guy, but what she doesn't say is that it's mostly due to his wealth and that she probably won't be super enthusiastic about him sexually, might cheat and so on. That's usually what af/bb means, right? As to the woman with the casual sex guy, let's assume that her guy hasn't ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 12:19 AM
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Men who complain about it might be terrible themselves, but maybe not? Or do you find that their descriptions of the dynamics are inaccurate, and that that catalyzes most of your reaction? Regardless, would you say something similar about women who complain about not getting relationships with guys they sleep with?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 12:04 AM
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My point was that weight might be seen as more tied with capability/discipline than acne or baldness is, and that your "...for no reason" therefore possibly was an exaggeration.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 11:33 PM
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What made his personality repulsive?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 11:27 PM
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Doesn't that depend on exactly how the woman approaches the "af/bb strategy"? The more manipulation the latter involves, the less of a reason there would be for her to criticise others for being manipulative, or...? It seems to follow logically to me, but maybe my interpretation of "af/bb" is too basic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 10:35 PM
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People trust you more and think you're more capable for no reason. Or could it be that some people think there is a link between certain forms of capability/discipline and weight...? How strong that link actually is is a different question.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 10:16 PM
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Where would you place the HS version of you on a feminine-masculine scale?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 10:00 PM
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Did that deep dive result in any form of consensus?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 09:56 PM
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When did you lose the weight? Have you spent about as much time out and about when weighing 30 kg less as you did when you were heavier? Either way, would you say that the guys you attract largely are on your own level in terms of looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 09:49 PM
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Interesting report. How muscular did you get? I'm asking because to me, it seems like men's threshold for considering women too muscular/masculine is quite low. Maybe the opinions I have come across aren't representative, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 09:40 PM
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I figured it was a joke, but it reminded me of what I mentioned nonetheless. Right, there is no fool-proof method. Anyway, you may have answered elsewhere, but, to quote the post headline: "have you ever experienced post-nut clarity?"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 04:59 PM
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Ha, yeah, that's an indicator of something. But what's the correlation between dick size and overall sexual ability? Some women say that there is a negative correlation between how handsome guys are and how good they are in bed. That's anecdotal, of course, but I wonder whether the women who say that have made any observations concerning the link between endowment and bed skills too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 04:53 PM
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Yes, I've seen that claim too. But what if the task was to try to predict it before being intimate in any way? Just going by personality and looks/manners.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 04:41 PM
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What you described does seem a little comical, but I'd say both men and women do it. To what extent I'm not sure. Your comment also makes me wonder why you've been that exposed to such men. That is, why have you, but not everyone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 07:18 PM
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Hahaha. No mercy!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 07:11 PM
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Wouldn't the moment you're no longer hungry be more comparable to the period after the orgasm? Maybe I am weird about food and the diminishing return of additional slices (but I don't really think so!). I sure as hell enjoy the first slice more than the last. Just like I too enjoy orgasm more than edging, even though I like the latter as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 07:10 PM
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No, we're angling it in different ways. My point is that the enjoyment you experience during sexual climax is closer to the enjoyment you feel when you're eating the first slice than what you feel when you're eating the fifth or whatever slice. You enjoy the last few slices less, just like you enjoy edging less than orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 06:34 PM
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If you say so! I wonder whether that's random or due to better looking guys being used to getting away with caring less about their partner's experience or due to something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 06:25 PM
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But presumably you don't always stop eating after one slice? I don't see why edging wouldn't cause an analogous kind of satisfaction. Not like orgasm (the first slice), sure, but still something worthwhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 06:23 PM
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So this has usually been guys who have seemed like a good catch but who somehow said one odd thing that spoiled everything? Rather than e.g. really handsome guys who prove (in quite short time) not to be as interesting as you hoped?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 06:20 PM
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So a higher share of the great looking ones than of the others have been shitty?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 06:09 PM
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So that's your analogy... You wouldn't rather say that orgasm is like eating when you're really hungry while edging is like eating when you've already eaten a slice or two/three/whatever your experience is?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 06:07 PM
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Oh really? But maybe you have only gotten down to business with great looking men! Your experience would still be interesting, even if incomplete.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 06:03 PM
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Yes, I was just thinking about it, and was wondering whether traditional post-nut clarity is worse. You at least judge them on their performance!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 06:00 PM
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Okay. My view is quite different. I find the build-up very enjoyable in itself, and I like the self-discipline/test aspect, but I'm a guy. Not sure whether there are any significant differences between men and women concerning this (the experience of edging generally, that is - not the self-discipline thing!).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 05:58 PM
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Yeah, "Easygoing, can make fun of himself and take a joke" are among the traits I like best in people overall. How would a physically attractive guy have to be to repulse you quickly? Unhygienic is an obvious answer. Politically extreme in a way that clashes with your outlook? Very feminine manners? Not standing his ground toward you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 05:53 PM
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Ok, and what was usually the main source of your crushing? How much was due to their personality and how much was due to looks? Were any of them great looking but shitty in bed?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 05:46 PM
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Yeah, when you mention it... Post-nut clarity is related. Though, that's usually not as tied to performance as your reaction is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 05:43 PM
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Why is it funny? Do you find men showing emotions funny generally? Besides, I didn't interpret their comment quite like you did. It's possible to "enjoy the closeness" without being excessively emotional about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 05:38 PM
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And how much do you enjoy the build-up (regardless of whether it's done by yourself or others)? Enjoyable enough to deliberately do it without reaching climax sometimes or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 05:31 PM
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Weight-related issues can be pretty obvious, but the interesting part is where people draw the line between healthy and unhealthy weights. Anyway, what's your idea of unhealthy skin?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 05:28 PM
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So no particular personality or looks traits seem especially correlated with being a good sexual match?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 05:26 PM
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Do you know how common that kind of reaction is? Have you heard about similar accounts by men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 05:23 PM
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I won't argue against orgasms, but was their comment that laughable? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 05:21 PM
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You don't enjoy the build-up at all? Sure, it's better with the climax, but could it not also be enjoyable without? Your outlook seems very black/white.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 05:18 PM
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Is it that straightforward? Deliberately masturbating or having sex without reaching orgasm would be worse than nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 05:14 PM
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Have you found any clues at all yet in terms of knowing whether someone will be a good fuck? You have obviously not figured it out completely (has anyone?), but you may still have noticed some tendencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 05:03 PM
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Like when the sex is done and I didn’t cum I find the man next to me repulsive. That's interesting, but also seems extreme. Does this mean that if the guy you found most physically attractive didn't give you an orgasm, you'd feel repulsed by him afterwards? Either way, do you think your reaction is due to biology or some kind of environmmental factor?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 04:59 PM
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Including if your only two choices were a bigoted garbage talk guy who you nonetheless found physically attractive and another guy whose looks you thought were somewhat below average but whose personality you really liked?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 04:53 PM
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How do you define "unhealthy"? How strict are you when it comes to over- and underweight, for instance?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 04:49 PM
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How about... The ability to - independently - solve problems/understand coherences?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 08:37 PM
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I find it really difficult to answer, because what if she had some masculine traits that most women don't have, but at the same time had some feminine traits? I suppose we're imagining a woman who doesn't have a dick here, so there's one crucial feminine trait already. What other traits would she have that might offset the less womanly traits? Yes, there's a link between how feminine a woman is and how quickly my body reacts, but it's difficult to say exactly how masculine she would have to look…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 04:31 AM
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How old are you, if you don't mind answering?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 04:11 AM
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If I am "not attracted to her at all", why would being in her proximity give me an erection? Is that even possible? Or did I misinterpret something? It's difficult to explain by means of a 1-10 scale. I don't have any very clear preferences in the first place (like brunettes vs. blondes, fit vs. chubby etc.). It's a question of how womanly her appearance is. The more manly she is, the less likely I am to get an erection, but there are many ways in which to be feminine!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 03:56 AM
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I'm a man and I think women should wait for sex to gain respect from their potential dates. Reading this made me realize that I rather think that someone who is respectable is so regardless of when they have sex, and if somebody loses respect for a person because of how long the latter waits before having sex, then perhaps it is the other person who doesn't deserve as much respect as he/she might think. Whether that perspective is controversial here, I don't know. Let's see how many downvotes it…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 11:48 PM
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But in terms of their appearance, I mean? I suppose the physical traits I'm asking about have something to do with why they get away with being "serious arseholes".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 04:38 PM
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What are their most prominent traits? Tall? Fit? Handsome? Masculine?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 04:13 PM
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How did those guys look?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 03:28 AM
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The truth is, is that for an attractive, outgoing guy, it's going to be pretty easy to get a girl to sleep with him. How would you describe an attractive guy? Which traits make him attractive, primarily?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 03:19 AM
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I haven't researched that topic thoroughly, so it may be generally true, even though I personally won't necessarily find a woman aged 20 more attractive than a woman aged 40 (even if the 20-year-old is fit, beautiful et cetera). By the way, you wrote "To us", so what does "us" refer to? Most men regardless of location, or men from some particular country/culture? Even though you find your age immaterial in this context, do you still dislike revealing it for whatever additional reason, or is it e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 02:31 AM
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Which of the last claims do you take issue with?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 01:56 AM
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Interesting perspective. Do you have primarily the US in mind, by the way?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 01:50 AM
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Most of the girls I’ve seen online have only wanted to smash Does that seem to apply regardless of age, or did you focus on any particular age range?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 01:40 AM
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I cut off candidates at the age 21. How old are you, if you don't mind revealing?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 01:10 AM
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Has Henry Cavill done/said anything particularly shady?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 11:09 PM
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I do get along easier with the opposite gender because of so many interests in common, like gaming and programming. By the way, have you noticed anything in particular concerning the mood/disposition of that segment? About average? More stable/joyful? Less? Well, one is the typical mass media representation of ideal feminine beauty (in the US, read: California-girl etc.) I didn't even think about that! Anyway, it doesn't really matter as far as the example of the hypothetical guy goes. I don't d…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 12:23 AM
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To what extent is that your subjective impression rather than one that's based on something objective-ish? It's shitty if true, but I don't have much to go by as far as figuring out the accuracy of your perspective goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 08:01 PM
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Would you say that men's attitudes toward unattractive women are significantly worse than women's attitudes toward unattractive men? Do you think that social class complicates it at all, or are people from all walks of life about equally crude when it comes to this? I have asked women similar questions before, and some of them said that other women are just as bad as - and in some cases even worse than - men in terms of giving women negative feedback.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 07:25 PM
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Is it an obstacle in about equal amounts due to men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 11:48 PM
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Generally, I suppose someone being attractive enough to be desired by random strangers may have something to do with them being able to attract the person who eventually becomes their partner. However, you said you were used to zero attention from peers as a teen, which is interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 04:37 AM
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That is, you find that women prioritize men's looks more than men prioritize women's looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 04:21 AM
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In what way do you reckon it's validation insofar as they have to pay for it? I agree that it's best to try to adapt to one's circumstances, though. As you said, nature isn't fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 03:10 AM
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I haven’t experienced women saying these things for no reason. Perhaps you're a good person surrounded by other good people...? In my experience, this is not a gendered thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 01:58 AM
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Nobody needs sex for survival, but they did say analogy. The relevance/popularity of cosmetics may be an indication that people's (yes, men's and women's) "brain and life is reliant" on being desired by others to a pretty far extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 12:46 AM
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Why should I look at someone through the lens of wanting to fuck them if I'm in a happy relationship, you know. Yes, but in that case it would be situational. Maybe you would have gone for it if you were not in a relationship. I can relate to your point about recognizing beauty in your own gender. Would you say you are very feminine overall? My reaction to androgynous women has at times been similar to yours to androgynous men, but it would be a stretch to say that I come off as extremely mascul…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/21 09:48 PM
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Angling questions the way I did sometimes makes it easier to understand how people roll, which traits they prioritize the most. It's conceivable that you find someone attractive, but more so due to how handsome he is than to his height (or the other way around). That you can find somebody attractive without wanting to have sex with them is another interesting topic. How does that usually work? If they are beautiful but not masculine enough, for instance? Or look good, but there is something abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/21 01:49 PM
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Yes, it's natural to prioritize certain features. It wouldn't make sense to have an issue with that. My interest concerns how consistent people are. Sometimes, it seems as if people criticise others for having a given preference, while the person who criticises has a similar preference themselves. Right, trying to build a long-term relationship primarily on looks might prove to be risky business.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 07:52 PM
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Ok. Would you say that you privilege height over how handsome a guy is? Actually, maybe that's tricky to answer without dealing with thresholds. How about this: would you likely be least attracted to someone who is very short but very handsome or someone who is as tall as you'd prefer but very not handsome? Let's say that both are equally fit and healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 07:43 PM
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I had a friend describe her lack of attraction to short men as a dislike for a particular food. Right, so in her case, it's a very visceral thing. It seems to be about social norms and the women's self-consciousness in some cases too. Anyway, you can't fault people for being biologically programmed to be attracted to certain traits. However, if someone thinks it's bad to select based on weight, then I'll be surprised if they don't think it's equally bad to select based on height (or, for that ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 04:59 PM
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The nature of these trade-offs is very interesting. Would you likely view a guy as generally below average if he is e.g. 168 cm, very handsome and fit and has an average income/wealth? Would you prefer somebody who was a bit taller than average, but average (or below) handsome?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 04:52 PM
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Below average in height, yes, but what about the total? I'd say the same about overweight women. It's one trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 03:20 PM
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Still, I have seen enough examples of women mentioning guys looking suspiciously old in person relative to in their pics, but ok, it's all anecdotes, and who knows how accurate the assessment of the man/woman who laments it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 03:11 PM
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He didn't say slim woman with a very pretty face etc., though: I'm not talking facially beautiful slim or healthy ladies either, just average looking faces - or even below average. And he said he's 5'10, 170lbs and in good shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 03:08 PM
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Is that the case? Maybe. The average is apparently also 5'9 in the UK, but something akin to what you mentioned may be going on there too. Ok, I did a quick search. Croatia is a country with few immigrants, and the average height for men there is 180-181 cm. https://www.insider.com/tallest-people-world-countries-ranked-2019-6#:~:text=An%20average%20Croatian%20is%20173.20,5%20feet%205.20%20inches)%20tall. https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/245528/revisiting-least-accepting-countries-migrants.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 02:58 PM
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On one hand, I think it would be very harsh to react that way to someone's weight gain. Especially if it's a question of only 20 extra pounds. Granted, I like women with some mass, so it's easy for me to say. On the other hand, someone who's viewed as too short will have a more difficult time getting taller than someone who's too heavy will have getting skinnier.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 02:52 PM
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5'10 is 177.8 cm. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) , the average age-adjusted height for American men 20 years old and up is 69.1 inches (175.4 centimeters). That's about 5 feet 9 inches tall. https://www.healthline.com/health/average-height-for-men#u.s.-height
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 02:38 PM
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Is that kind of stuff really something that women do more than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 02:34 PM
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Aren't there some apps that have a section for height, but not for weight? I have never used dating apps, so I'm going by other people's comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 02:31 PM
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Do you have any idea of whether skinny women, who view men who mention weight preferences as shallow, themselves tend to mention height preferences or not? And whether tall men, who view women who mention height preferences as shallow, still tend to mention weight preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 02:26 PM
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That's interesting. I'm almost six feet and maintained 135-140 lbs for several years without actively trying until I started doing resistance training. It's fascinating how different people's experiences are. if I do too much weight training, I end up looking bulky which looks unattractive Is that you or your ex-husband speaking? Then you have bigger girls that are completely comfortable in their own skin.. and many guys love that.. Guys love the confidence more than the weight. Some of us like …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 02:13 PM
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Ok. You're only 5'1, but 1200 kcal still seems scarce. By the way, I edited my previous reply to include another point instead of making a new comment for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 01:51 PM
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I thought that too until as a woman I turned 40 and continued working out 5 days a week and began to gain weight. How was your energy balance until you started gaining? Was your weight stable for a long time? Did you already feel you were starving or would eliminating a couple of hundred calories not have been a big deal? so in the scheme of superficial characteristics height seems to be a better one. If weight is very important for someone, they could simply be clear about that when they meet t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 01:30 PM
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I only have a vague impression of OnlyFans. Does that site feature the cream of the crop, and not many average looking people?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 03:01 PM
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It's a useful method, but what if someone concludes that somebody is fat and another person disagrees? Just like in the cases where a man describes another man as average, but a woman describes the same man as below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 02:55 PM
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Would you mind elaborating on how women are more interesting people? It seems like a questionable statement to me (which, by the way, doesn't necessarily imply that the opposite is true). Along the lines of "Women just aren't funny".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 02:18 AM
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Seems like you haven't replied to the commenter who asked about the source, so: where did you come across this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 01:54 AM
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Have you had that attitude since very early on or is it something you've had to work on?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 10:50 PM
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Also, I know this is all because of looks because I didn’t use to be good looking. You basically got more muscular/fitter? What do you think she liked about the 40-something guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 10:27 PM
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I bet many men would prefer to be the kind of guy that is viewed as attractive by gays rather than the kind of guy who no gays fancy. There must be some overlap between what gay men and heterosexual women find attractive. Though, yes, it would get bothersome if those gays were very aggressive about it, but probably not bothersome enough for them to prefer being someone who nobody is (sexually) interested in in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 10:19 PM
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What if the homeless person were in dire straits due to a series of foolish decisions? And the fat woman in question had weight issues due - to a far extent - to some diagnosis.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 10:09 PM
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Right, there is a difference between "I'm struggling..." and "Fuck the rich/attractive/skinny people!", but some will argue that economic inequality is a non-issue full stop, just like how some say that about people who can't find sex partners (or can't maintain a healthy weight). Being starved and sex starved are different things, but it would be interesting to learn more about how people think about this. That is, hypothetically, how much wealth would someone be willing to sacrifice in order n…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 10:00 PM
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I agree that fat women and sexless men aren't owed anything. However, I also find it quite suspicious to ridicule/be very dismissive of both groups, unless, perhaps, the people in question have a horrible attitude. It's analogous to poverty. I guess one could argue that some random poor person has no right to extract resources from you, but it might still be a good idea to try to understand him/her and not be dismissive just for the sake of it. There is also the interesting question of how polit…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 09:03 PM
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Maybe some real beta feminist types but not even them I don’t think. It just ruins the mood. Does it necessarily...? Why? I'm not arguing that asking like that should be the standard, but nor do I see why it would ruin the mood if the people involved are attracted to each other in the first place. /u/azngirl7689
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 08:43 PM
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How often has your "I do what I want, say what I want, and am unapologetically masculine" backfired? And how badly does Brad Pitt Guy's weak character affect him? No long-term dates, ok, but what about FWB/FB? Do they too get tired of his personality quite early on?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 08:03 PM
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Ok, elaborate on the attention you get. What do they do? How aggressive are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 07:52 PM
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Disagree. I imagine e.g. Sean Connery had, and some South Korean pop artists have, a decent impression of their appearance in that respect. Their impressions could of course be off, but so could the views of others who assess them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 05:12 PM
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And how masculine would you say you look?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 02:01 PM
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Briefly put, how would you describe your looks? Fit, bearded macho man? Effeminate and pretty? Average body, very handsome?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 04:57 AM
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Quick research, already done. But I think this is an interesting topic, and I've discussed it with others recently. That is, "Can you (assuming heterosexuality) see yourself getting down to business with people who at least initially appear too masculine/feminine?". For me, it's a "maybe", for you it's a "seldom/never", I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 03:13 PM
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I'm doing some research. Here she looks better than in the photo you picked: https://media.stubhubstatic.com/stubhub-catalog/d_defaultLogo.jpg/t_f-fs-0fv,q_auto:low,f_auto,c_fill,dpr_2.0,$w_750,$h_416/performer/100311885/i0aji81roezmslhjoowj And I haven't even seen her ass yet. However, if she insisted on not showing it, and just be like https://static.onecms.io/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2019/05/hannah-gadsby-1-2000.jpg ...Then yes, that wouldn't do it for me :D
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 02:46 PM
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"Turned off" is a little strong, but that style doesn't particularly turn me on either. However, I'd have to see more of her. She could have a nice ass, nice legs, boobs, hips and a captivating personality, so it's too soon to write her off!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 02:36 PM
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Ok... I get the impression that some women like the one in the first pic want to attract women (or maybe it's just a style preference), but they could still be sexy with different/no clothes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 02:13 PM
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One would think that if they are not aware of the dynamic, then they'll have higher expectations for relationships...?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 09:05 PM
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1) How is that specific boost calculated? I'm not saying it's insignificant, I just don't know. 2) Good for men who want children. 3) Seems practical. However, they better be convinced that they are a good match, since: Almost 50 percent of all marriages in the United States will end in divorce or separation. 4) I strongly disagree. I guess some of them are very confident about their love for each other and view symbolic acts as redundant. As to the more practical issues, I have to assume they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:43 PM
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Regarding your last sentence, do you have in mind women who have been having sex with guys who won't be in a relationship with them? In which case, I imagine these women are quite aware of the dynamics (very attractive guys banging less attractive women because they for whatever reason wanna), meaning maybe they won't all consider a relationship with a less sexually attractive guy to be that much of a problem. Or am I naive...?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 07:55 PM
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in that scenario I would continue to date good looking men of average height with deep voices. We haven't really clarified how good looking they are yet! Let's say there was a negative correlation between how good looking the guys were and how masculine their voice was. Would you then maybe prefer average looking guys, to avoid having to deal with a feminine voice, or isn't your voice preference that strong?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 07:35 PM
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Ok, just checked. I won't deny that you're "at least cute". The reason I asked is because I wonder whether your reaction to voices is visceral or something you have developed because you find you can afford it. Imagine if all the good looking guys you were able to attract also had feminine voices. Would you then likely compromise, or simply go for less good looking guys who had a masculine voice?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 07:03 PM
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Yeah, that's all style. If I like her body (including face), I'm in.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 06:56 PM
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Is it possible that your Photofeeler score was determined mostly by men? I don't know how that app works. Moreover, is it possible that you underestimate the women you describe as "4-5", and at the same time overestimate yourself? By the way, I tend to ask similar questions to women who say things like "Men just are less attractive than women". It can be difficult to get to the bottom of things when we lack specifics.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 06:53 PM
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How would this "butch" be? I know of a woman with a remarkably masculine voice, and her voice didn't bother me. She has some other, very womanly, features though!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 06:41 PM
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That's fascinating. That the voice can make or break it. By the way, how attractive would you say you are?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 06:36 PM
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If how sexually attractive you'd be as a man were to be determined randomly rather than based on how attractive you are right now as a woman, how would that affect your decision?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 04:41 AM
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Would your answer to the question depend on whether attractiveness would be assigned randomly or based on how you are now?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 03:24 AM
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Not sure about the percentage. Regardless, there's also the question of if a woman shouldn't take initiative, why should a man? Many of the things mentioned in favour of not approaching apply to women and men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 06:18 PM
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Right, and if there is no dead bedroom or other obvious problems going on, I think that those who get bored and cheat comprise a certain segment of the population (those whose boredom the likes of Socrates won't be able to eliminate), in which case their behaviour is suspect yet not surprising. By the way, this does not imply that I favour monogamous relationships. It just means that I think justifying cheating with references to boredom is primitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 05:22 PM
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Sadly, this is not the case large in part. A woman who delivers herself to a man is more likely to seem "low value". Why? Maybe they should be viewed as refreshingly pro-active and high-value instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 05:03 PM
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I haven't researched this much, but I imagine that it's primarily a certain type of person who easily gets bored by "being around the same person" and who thinks it's exciting to cheat, partly because you might be caught. As to what type of person I have in mind, let's just say that it's not necessarily the most sophisticated/stable type.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 04:58 PM
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Not everything is about impact on society. My point is that there might be more women than men who are relatively (not genius-level) intelligent. And if that's the case, then men should be careful with using references to IQ when trying to back up claims according to which men overall are smarter than women. It's possible to non-contradictorily have that view, while not denying what you say about the societal impact of men with very high IQ.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 03:15 AM
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So yes, I would end the relationship in either - but so would my partner. Right, so you are actually principled about this by finding it reasonable that your partner has the same rules, meaning my suspicion of double standards was indeed based on a misinterpretation of what you wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 02:25 PM
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I agree that randomly slapping someone in the face with a prenup/paternity test is not a good approach. However, to me it seemed like you said that if you suspect your partner of cheating (even if your suspicion isn't warranted), then you have to end the relationship. You also said that if your partner wanted a paternity test while you're pregnant, that would be the end of the relationship. Hence why I thought you relied on double standards. It seems like I have misinterpreted something, but I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 01:49 PM
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I take for granted that people won't bother with prenups if it isn't likely to benefit them materially in some significant way. Maybe I'm overestimating people, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 01:35 PM
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Right, but social impact is one criterion. Individual sophistication is another.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 04:31 AM
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In the hypothetical case of, let's call her... Schmadele Schmadkins (a young and promising pop musician) and her not particularly ambitious, but quite adorable partner, can you see no reason why the former might want some kind of arrangement?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 04:18 AM
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I get your point, but whether a way of thinking about something is terrible depends on what exactly that's measured. My impression is that sometimes when men bring up this, it is to imply that men are more intelligent overall, which may not be the case, since there apparently are more women than men in the "relatively intelligent" range. It's possible that both my point and yours are true simultaneously.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 03:47 AM
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One would think that depends a lot on how old the people are. Also, "immense amount of wealth" isn't the only relevant amount.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 03:27 AM
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I guess I should have phrased it differently. If you sum up the total IQ of men and women, are you sure men would win? I'm aware that women are less represented on both ends, and I'm curious about how that affects the total.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 03:18 AM
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Are you sure? What if one of the people in question is a young, talented, aspiring actress, singer (woman) or something along those lines? Someone who has reason to think she will do very well in the future?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 03:05 AM
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Whether to see someone as marriage material is of course up to you, but isn't it likely that a woman who stays home for a year benefits from the efforts of her partner? It's for her to decide whether those benefits warrant staying home.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 02:58 AM
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Regarding your IQ remark, does that necessarily favour men? You tell me how many male dorks and geniuses there are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 02:54 AM
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if I ever started to suspect he had cheated and lost that trust (even if he hadn’t) I couldn’t keep going. And yet in another comment you said: I think the paternity test comparison some posters are making is similar - someone asking me for one when I’m up the duff would get their test, but the relationship would be over. Am I misinterpreting something, or does this indicate that you think that certain rules apply to your partners, but not to yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 02:47 AM
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I personally don't consider paying for someone a big deal in principle, but I do get curious about some of the more absolutist mindsets ("if he doesn't pay for me, he's cheap and I'll drop him" as well as "if she expects me to pay, she's a whore"). Right, but you are probably traditional in some ways that benefit men more than women too. Based on our short exchange here, I haven't gotten any cognitive dissonance vibes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 09:45 PM
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Ok, so now that you're older, you think it might be immature not to go on a second date unless the other person pays for both on the first date? Yeah, women refraining from anything physical is sometimes brought up as analogous.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 09:21 PM
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What else than the anecdote of the reality TV couple is your impression based on? By the way, I'm not necessarily dismissive of anecdotes, but it's not obvious to me why your premise would be valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 09:15 PM
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Damn, that comment is funny (the good kind), somewhat good advice, and primitive - all at the same time!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 09:00 PM
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That reminds me... I wasn't aware of the relevance of height until I started coming across discussions about it on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 08:54 PM
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I assume he asked you out, so it would arguably be a bit odd if he asked you to pay for both of you, but what if he suggested to split? Moreover, what do you view as the women's equivalent of men not wanting to pay for both?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 08:38 PM
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No, I have an ad-hoc home gym, but I do have a good idea of how fit women look. I'd say I'm very fit myself, but I find that many not particularly fit women are very attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 07:58 PM
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Yeah, it's not the only criterion. However, I wonder whether you're underestimating the number of guys who find chubby women attractive. After discussing and thinking about the subject for a while, I have warmed up to the idea that perhaps women overall just look a bit better with a high-ish fat percentage (even after taking into account that women's fat percantage tends to be higher than men's due to biology) than men do. It can accentuate their boobs, hips and ass. Some like sizeable legs too …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 07:46 PM
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Nobodies preferences would be denied Are you sure? What if I am a relatively lean guy who prefers women who are somewhat chubby? Wouldn't the somewhat chubby guys get the chubby women? Not that that would be a terribly big deal (it's just a preference - maybe not even a very strong one), but I'm mentioning it anyway, to challenge you a bit and perhaps eventually understand your model better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 07:24 PM
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Even if both those statements are true, it could nevertheless change the balance - at least if the premise is that the kind of government assistance /u/XtoDoubt mentioned makes women more willing to risk pregnancies with guys they would otherwise have avoided (or at least not risked pregnancies with). Whether the alternative reality would have been preferable, though, is another discussion!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/21 11:00 PM
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Regarding your penultimate paragraph, are you sure there aren't many skinny/lean men who like bigger women, or bigger women who like lean men? Or, I guess, petite women who like big men. Would your algorithm deny those people their preferences, or have I misunderstood something?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/21 10:38 PM
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Society can accomplish this by slut shaming women. Women who sleep or date men who are above their level (i.e. Chads) should be seen as "easy" and "whores" and "status diggers". You may be right about the diagnosis, but your suggested treatment rubs me the wrong way. Do you think it's just to exclusively blame women? Men are not obligated to have sex with women they deem inferior.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/21 10:06 PM
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After reading/participating in some discussions here, I have become less inclined to dismiss those who say that it's not necessarily contradictory for a man to sleep around while preferring women who haven't slept around for long-term relationships. It's not an issue I care very much about, but it's nonetheless interesting to follow the discussions about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/21 09:33 PM
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Right, it would be interesting to learn about the impact e.g. class has - compared to sex - on maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 09:05 PM
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they got pleasure, we got pain. Then, later, they got the military and "you" got... gender studies? Ok, I'm fooling around, but the above quote was a bit simplistic too. Oh, your last sentence might suggest you partly agree!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 09:00 PM
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While I can't argue with your point regarding PMS (or maybe to some extent I can? there is the stereotype of the emotionally immature woman on her period), guys are (or at least were in the past) conditioned to be responsible/sacrificing ("ladies first!"), become providers, be strong ("don't be a woman!") and so on, so it's definitely not a black/white issue. But what is "maturity"? Wisdom and composure...? Acting not only based on emotion, but also based on reason? My subjective impression does…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 08:51 PM
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"Average frustrated chump"?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 11:39 PM
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According to her several of her friends are guilty of this behavior rather repeatedly. What? Exactly what did she tell you? "My friends, who are just as mediocre as myself, look down on guys who are more accomplished etc. than we are"? Anyway, assuming you are right, why do you think it's possible in the first place? Does it boil down to men being excessively horny? Or wanting to provide? Edit: ignore the last question. I somehow submitted the comment before I read your second paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 11:37 PM
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Sure, not necessarily smoking hot, but you said "horribly ugly". There's some space between those two descriptions. Anyway, maybe he looked much better in the photo I linked than in the one you had in mind. Not sure who Jim Jones is/was. I'm trying to think of some woman cult leaders... Madonna doesn't cut it, does she? Either way, I need a booty update from her soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 07:45 PM
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Then there's the aspect of what characterizes those who are attracted to cult leaders. Loneliness? Lack of skeptical attitude? Indifference? Low self-esteem?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 07:26 PM
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Is this Roch Thériault? Not quite what I imagined when I read "horribly ugly". I'm pretty sure the guy in that photo looks masculine and good in a way not just a small number of people like. Not everyone's cup of tea, I suppose, but many aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 07:17 PM
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Elaborate on that difference in treatment?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 07:02 PM
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What about the "mediocre (at best)" women attracts these guys? A nice ass and agreeableness? One of the two? Something else? Or are you wrong about categorizing those women as "at best mediocre"?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 07:02 PM
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Were you basically following the Bible before?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 11:11 PM
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Your reference to "secular girls" makes me curious about whose rules you were following when you did everything you were supposed to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 10:34 PM
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Which measures that made you more attractive seemed to make the biggest difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 09:15 PM
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My results immediately skyrocketed and I got laid much more consistently and w/ higher quality women, while being completely authentic. I'm not surprised. I'm going more by logic than experience when it comes to this, but I struggle parting with the idea that it's not your favourite women who tend to respond positively to RP methods. By the way, in what ways were the ones who you did better with while being authentic of higher quality?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 08:44 PM
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What you learned in your 30s most women learned in their 20s. What are your favourite examples of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 07:36 PM
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Good point about Twitter's varying influence in various countries. I'm not as up to speed on political developments as I used to be. Where do the scandals and fanning the flames in Poland come from these days? I'm aware that their government has been increasingly associated with that of Hungary, but apart from that, my knowledge is quite limited. There was an editorial in The Economist about a controversy involving judges a while ago, but was it about Poland or Hungary? I believe it was Poland, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 01:37 AM
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Okay, so guys of the type you described spoil their chances, even if they're thinking about a one-night stand or something similar rather than a relationship? Or would you still consider something purely sexual if they were physically attractive enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 01:19 AM
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I look forward to hearing your reaction when you learn about religious fundamentalists (be they Christian, Muslim, Hindu, whatever).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 01:07 AM
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I'm tempted to say he does, but I'd like to hear the media company bosses' take on it. Counter question: Does the president (less sure about his son) likely care about "numerous other dictatorial regimes" and their populations? If my suspicion is right and the answer to that question is negative, is it then sensible to imply that it's positive?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 01:02 AM
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Yes, one would think that strong, accomplished women are popular, since they'll be able to teach you a thing or two, and serve as an inspiration.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 12:03 AM
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The problem with PPD is that anything that seems even remotely 'anti-women' is shot down immediately I don't know about that. There seems to be quite some healthy discussion as far as I can tell. Let's assume that your impression is right. Do you think it's mainly a phenomenon in the US? Or maybe a better angle: are there any countries or regions where things aren't like that at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 11:33 PM
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Do you like the thought of smashing women you find unattractive? Or do you find that near all women are attractive? Or are you an exception to the rule?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 11:26 PM
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Why do you think it's like that? You think it's mostly about biology or environment?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 11:00 PM
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In the comment I have in mind, you wrote that women like tall, pretty men who aren't fat. That argument would have been fine if you denied that men to a similar extent like pretty women who aren't fat, but you didn't deny that. Hence why I found the comment I replied to previously clarifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 10:30 PM
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Okay. I don't know enough to refute your claim. Anyway, let's say you are right. What do you think it boils down to? Women actually being more physically attractive? Men having a higher libido? Men, for whatever reason, having low standards? Women thinking a lot about safety? Women being delusional about how attractive they are?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 10:22 PM
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Ok, now we're talking. Not sure exactly how willing men are to do that compared with women, but that's a better attempt at backing up your claim than the first comment was.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 10:13 PM
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Right, so how are women more shallow, if men do largely the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 09:59 PM
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You won't deny that many men are attracted to pretty women who aren't fat, will you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 09:40 PM
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What if the guy with less resources in each of those cases was quite a bit more physically attractive than the guy with more resources? You neglected that aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 09:22 PM
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Attraction gone - in terms of a relationship, I suppose. Gone as far as only sex goes too?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 09:14 PM
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Do your friends feel the same way?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 08:12 PM
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That was my impression too for a while, after coming across references to that OKCupid 80/20 thing, but I now think that it's more complicated. For instance, some women have said that they didn't rate the men exclusively based on how attractive they thought they were, but also based on what they thought the consequences would be. It concerned something about how OKCupid worked. So that's one confounding factor. Moreover, this is online dating, where there's, what, a 65/35 man/woman ratio or some…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 08:10 PM
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Yes, but the context now was her saying admitting having a crush on a short guy would make her feel awkward, which made me think along the lines of social expectations and self-confidence. Of course there are women who simply don't find short men attractive and men who just aren't attracted to overweight women - regardless of what makes them feel awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 07:38 PM
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So your height preference has much more to do with social expectations than raw, physical attraction? Is the latter relevant at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 07:30 PM
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It's difficult to say how looks-oriented men are compared to women. Men should determine how the average woman looks and women should determine how the average man looks, then the two could be compared. It would be interesting to see. Would both be overweight? Neither? Would the woman be prettier - au naturel and not?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 07:12 PM
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Because men can't handle strong women, jacqueass. (Ok, I'm partly trolling. Partly!)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 06:59 PM
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You phrased that quite hyperbolically, but sometimes I wonder whether this and related things boil down to men's libido. Is that naive, or is there something to it? Some are very determined that there isn't any significant libido difference and that men's and women's different behaviours are a result of social conditioning rather than libido differences. Then there's the claim that women are generally more attractive (physically) than men. Ok, perhaps that's the case, but if it is, I suppose tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 06:46 PM
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Did they observe you for 15 mins or something after injecting?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 06:12 PM
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That's interesting. Why does it make you feel awkward? I suspect that this has to do with self-confidence issues, and an inability to deal with social pressure/norms. I also think along the same lines when it comes to men who don't want to be seen with overweight women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 06:11 PM
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What is the equivalent percentage for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 05:55 PM
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Realistically I would pretty much date any guy over 58 9 (Im 54), that I find even a little attractive with a good personality. How about a guy who is as tall as yourself, but who otherwise is not just "a little attractive", but very attractive and has a great personality? I'm trying to get a better idea of how important height is. /u/NarrowLiterature7322, not sure if you'd notice the comment if I didn't highlight you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 05:45 PM
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Yeah, maybe not. I was just trying to think of possible reasons why you'd be surrounded by tall guys and it not being pure luck. Oh, who wouldn't want a chubby short arse? I find that most chubby women have some tempting assets, and on top of that, there could be a good personality. That said, I don't know exactly how "chubby" is defined, where the lines are drawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 02:31 PM
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Ok, so I suppose that means that you unquestionably think that likes rather than opposites attract? At least when it comes to personality. Or maybe you'd narrow it down to "interests".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 02:10 PM
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Yes, meaning your experience has probably involved more luck than what would have been the case if my assumption was more accurate. Though, who knows whether tall guys tend to prefer women with your body type (whatever that is) too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 11:42 PM
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Okay, that's a different statement. Also, assuming my perception has been sharp enough, your location may explain some of what's going on. Edit: I googled and realized I overestimated the average height of the men I had in mind!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 11:18 PM
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How lucrative is the prostitution business? How much does it benefit the government? Oh damn, I misread your username! I wonder how many others who have too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 09:49 PM
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Many women seem to like men who like being in control, or what do you think? I find I'm in the middle too, which may be related to finding cooperation natural and being indifferent about some things.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 08:44 PM
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As in a correlation between lacking confidence and preferring submissive women? It's tricky, because some like them mainly for sexual reasons, others perhaps primarily due to things like what you mentioned (thinking they can boss them around while being lazy), and I'm sure there are many reasons I haven't thought of. I still suspect there might be some kind of link between lacking confidence and wanting submissive women, though. Would you describe yourself as submissive, dominant or in between?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 08:29 PM
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Yeah, I'm largely indifferent about people's preferences, but I'm very interested in why they have them. For instance, women wanting tall men or men not wanting overweight women - how much of that is about visceral attraction and how much is about psychology/social pressure? So you have no inkling as to the missing limb thing? Do you happen to have a strong preference for athletic/big/strong guys? And are you submissive? Based on what I've read so far, I wouldn't have assumed the latter, but who…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 08:19 PM
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Do you think there could be any particular link at all between a man's self-confidence and whether they prefer submissive women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 08:12 PM
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Where are most men taller than 188 cm? Maybe if Footballgoalkeeperstan were a country...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 07:40 PM
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And how attractive are European women compared to American women, in your view, if you're able to generalize like that? Are they about the same, but more chill?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 07:38 PM
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I don't know whether it's most common among women or men, but sometimes there's a mismatch between what people demand and what they themselves offer. Whether a guy would be delusional for thinking he deserves the kind of woman you described depends on what he brings to the table. Do you find that many men like the type of woman you described? I wouldn't mind one who relaxes about hair growth and who rather than being submissive gives me some healthy challenges.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 07:29 PM
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That seems like a reasonable principle. I wonder how many there are who would object to it. That said, some preferences can be more based on delusions/distorted self-image than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 07:12 PM
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My impression is that insofar as people get mad about it, a good amount of them do so not because they think that women should ignore their preferences, but because they find that if guys have very high standards or are picky, judgmental, you name it, then they will be criticised more for it than women will if they do the same. Whether this perception is accurate is another story, though. Why would you not be attracted to someone who's missing a limb? What if they were otherwise very healthy and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 06:47 PM
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Right. I just think the subject is interesting, because before I started reading online discussions about it, I wasn't really aware that there is this very strong preference among women, so I like to explore the reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 04:42 PM
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Okay, that's pretty common it seems. Do you care at all about social norms? Some women's height preferences concern expectations according to which the man should be taller et cetera.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 03:36 PM
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What are the main reasons you wouldn't date anyone below 5'7?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 03:06 PM
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Only if I'm interested in them (which means I think they can keep up!) and that only happens once in a blue moon. Does that seem to apply generally rather than just to certain places/social environments? I get that a lot ... Do most of them happen to be "farm boys"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 03:00 PM
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But couldn't they have self-esteem - and consequently attitude - issues due to being very self-conscious about not being "high competence people"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 04:02 PM
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That said, where does "wanting to feel more feminine" come into it? Height is a sexual dimorphism thing While one would be hard pressed to deny the sexual dimorphism factor, is it not your impression that a significant part of the reason women want tall guys has to do with the height difference making them feel more feminine? It is my impression, but it's possible my anecdotes just are very unrepresentative, even though there's nothing unreasonable about the anecdotes. On top of that, there's th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 02:17 AM
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All high competence people I've met and known have deep deficiencies in self-esteem that they are trying to cover for. What? Regardless of field? Also, what about "low competence people"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 12:43 AM
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Arrogance or delusion...? Edit: I guess "arrogance" could apply too. I still wonder whether it's possible to be arrogant without there being a mismatch between self-image and actual character, though? That is, that you are self-important and look down on others while actually being superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 12:15 AM
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How common is it to think that maturity among women is bad? Or, to think that women get much more unattractive as they age than men do? I don't think either of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 08:55 PM
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Are you sure none of them would remain silent about it if they cheated?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 01:08 AM
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Just because a woman is honest doesn't mean she routinely empathizes with men. Yes, that's why I was curious. For instance about whether some of them have said anything that corresponds with TRP teachings. I agree regarding the security/safety aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 02:59 PM
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Have those honest women told you anything you find particularly eye-opening? Which RP ideas have had the most positive impact on you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 02:48 AM
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Right, but it obviously happens, judging by the cases I've seen of women lamenting it. Either way, there is doing it the right way and doing it the wrong way, as well as taking it the right way and taking it the wrong way. How about this: do you think you are quite representative of how RP(ish) guys go about it, or do you think most are more cynical than you? Because, you don't come off as the kind of guy I imagined when I said that I suspect RP tactics alienate self-confident women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 11:30 PM
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A backhanded compliment. Nor this is straightforward, though. The intention of the one who delivers it may be to be playful or to exploit the other person's insecurities. Additionally, the object of the backhanded compliment may take offense or view it as fooling around and play along. I'm quite thick-skinned myself, but I'm aware that not everyone is. Yeah, well, why wouldn't you fuck around when she started it. It depends on the person/situation. You two were probably a good match. You liked e…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 10:24 PM
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Well, I acknowledge that it's not black and white, but it makes sense for me to highlight negging, aloofness and such if I think that that's something that might alienate self-confident women. It doesn't matter how fit a dude is if the woman he wants knows another guy who's just as fit, but whose personality she likes better because he doesn't neg and whatnot. Which is interesting because I didn't mention negging once in my original comment I don't think I have insinuated that you did. At least …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 08:00 PM
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Of course lifting weights, confidence, teasing etc. tends to be received positively by most people. However, you seem to neglect some of the other things associated with the red pill: negging, pretending not to be interested et cetera. And I'm not sure exactly to what extent one is also encouraged to outright treat women like shit. The opinions on that seem to be divided.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 07:50 PM
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I can't think of a reason why low self-esteem women would like athletic or charismatic men more than high self-esteem women would. But that's not what I had in mind. I meant that women with low self-esteem might be less likely to be turned off by RP approaches, i.e. the behaviour (negging, aloofness and so on). I imagine that women with a strong sense of self-worth won't like that kind of personality - whether the personality is faked or somehow authentic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 07:41 PM
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When I asked whether "it's" true, I meant women reacting better to red pill approaches than if you just relax and go with the flow, not playing a role. When I said "it" in the following comment, I meant red pill tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 07:29 PM
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I agree that it doesn't make sense to try to force people to be attracted to each other. However, since you asked about whether it would be bad to leave those who "aren't the top level" behind, what do you think about letting the free market dictate finances/society/the economy too? Could that also be a good way of dealing with those who are not "top level"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 07:25 PM
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I have never tried it. Maybe I should, just to test my bias. Though, it would be difficult to do it in a scientific way. Anyway, so you have absolutely not found that it works better on people with low self-esteem, maybe younger people etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 06:56 PM
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Do they just relax and go with the flow or rely on the RP playbook or something? I am aware that some claim that acting in accordance with the latter has worked for them, but I can't free myself from thinking that it must be awkward to go about it that way, or from thinking that insofar as it works, it tends to work on the kind of people that you might not prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 06:52 PM
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And what are those players' main advantages, as you see it? Being joyful? Handsome? Fit? Pro-active?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 06:32 PM
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Do you find that it's definitely true overall, or does it seem to work best/only on a certain kind of people?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 06:30 PM
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Yes, I get that, but to what extent do you think that the economy/society should be based on free markets? Would that too be a good way to leave those "who aren’t the top level" behind?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 06:18 PM
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I'll try another phrasing, based on your own question: "Would it be bad to leave people who need government assistance/market intervention behind?" I'm trying to find out what extent you'd like the market to rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 05:48 PM
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I find myself thinking along the same lines quite often when reading these discussions. In how many cases wouldn't it have been pretty much as accurate to say "people" as "men"/"women"? Moreover, I'm curious about the link between how satisfied people are with themselves/how happy they are and how inclined they are to slag off the opposite gender (and/or maybe other groups).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 05:23 PM
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Maybe it isn't bad if the market sorts it out. However, are you inclined to approach society generally (not just sex etc.) in the same way?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 05:10 PM
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You mean that it would have seen more correlated if it read "...when they turn around and start complaining that men say they're fat." or something, right? Maybe you're onto something.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 06:52 AM
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What would happen if you didn't get it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 01:10 AM
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Is it so certain that the people in these cases view it as "meaningless sex"? Presumably, they are mutually attracted to each other, so how meaningless would it really be to have sex then? Insofar as "you" might not get to "use" her for sex, perhaps she was more attracted to that guy in the car?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 01:39 PM
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How much do you think it would have changed if social conditioning and differences concerning grooming and cosmetics were controlled for, and people (especially men, because they are most biased about this?) were told to at least try to distinguish between their subjective sexual desire and aesthetics/objective-ish beauty? Do you reckon there still would have been a significant difference in favour of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 01:34 PM
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I did lift weights so i wasn't ALL flab. Yeah, I'm not surprised. By the way, you don't seem "super disagreeable", but ok, I don't have much to go by!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 11:22 PM
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That's pretty interesting. Extroversion and intellect. Also, you were obese, but maybe your fat percentage still wasn't catastrophic. You were on the baseball team, for one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 10:43 PM
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I guess I should have written "handsome" instead, even though I think many would strongly associate that with beauty anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 10:35 PM
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Haha, "vice of destructive perfectionism". I'm not very surprised. Granted, who knows how overweight you'd have to get to repel men to the extent you did when you were underweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 10:28 PM
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Do you happen to find yourself beautiful? I guess being tall, having a strong jaw, full head of hair etc. doesn't guarantee that you'll say "yes". It would be interesting to hear how someone who has all the positive traits that were listed but who doesn't view himself as beautiful/pretty is doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 09:39 PM
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Did you ever consider getting overweight as a way to opt out of sexualization?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 09:33 PM
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Are you athletic, while your friends have "mom bods", or is there no such pattern?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 09:23 PM
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And do you have reason to view any of those traits as your main advantage? Same question to you, /u/ChibsFilipTelfordd!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 09:19 PM
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How little overlap would you say there is between gay men's and heterosexual women's image of the ideal man, looks-wise?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 09:10 PM
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I personally like guys who are at least a little taller so around 5’8/5’9 What do you like about it? Is it about the ego boost you mentioned towards the end?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 08:55 PM
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Beauty is very relevant to physical attraction, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:58 PM
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I don't think though that the only or the main reason for it is that women take better care of themselves at least among young people. What is the reason? I assume you didn't mean to imply that social conditioning is the main explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:56 PM
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Looking at people and situations that defy the norm generally makes people uncomfortable. To what extent, though? Somehow, that made me wonder how long it is until fit people who happen to comprise a minority in their community will start making the majority uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:23 PM
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Do you find it's mostly men or women who "have stigma against women who date shorter guys and/or when the woman have more physical strenght than him"? Or does it seem pretty equally distributed?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:15 PM
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One objection was that he didn't tell the woman that he struggled viewing her as relationship material. Also that he said he needs women like her, because he wants to get laid, and it's "this or nothing".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:35 PM
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I rather think that if two people who are mutually very physically attracted to each other have sex, then both would describe it as quite meaningful.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:15 PM
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If you fuck someone because you're truly attracted to them, is it then accurate to say that the sex is "meaningless"?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:03 PM
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What would we need these bitches for, actually? What do you need your good friend D for?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 04:49 PM
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I see what you mean, but I don't know what they would say about it themselves. I imagine they would say that they are "going their own way" by not being married etc., but that them conveying their frustration with women in various situations doesn't contradict their going their own way. Some of them might be quite mentally possessed by the opposite gender, though. Just like the two other segments I mentioned in the previous comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 03:41 AM
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Would you mind elaborating on how the wealthier ones conceal it? By traveling far away on expensive trips? Moreover, I'm not sure how difficult it would be for a lower-class person to hide one's escapades if they really wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 03:25 AM
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Being hypergamous is good for the species. If we were to follow the sexuality of "stick my dick into everything" males, we would just breed ourselves into blobs and obscurity. Are you optimistic or pessimistic with regard to this, based on what you have observed so far about the link between things like people's fitness, intelligence etc. on one hand and the number of offsprings they tend to have on the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 12:57 AM
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I don't have a perfectly clear idea of what MGTOW is yet. Some of the glimpses I've seen so far have seemed quite one-sided, just like in the case of TRP and FDS. However, one would think it's possible to separate oneself from something, but still talk about it (including in disparaging ways). Be it MGTOW about women or women about certain kinds of men they don't like. In what ways do the men you referred to "try to get involved with women in multiple capacities"?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 12:09 AM
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it doesn’t really matter what my opinion is anyway, majority rules. Okay. I think it's interesting to discuss tastes, whether it's possible to approach objectivity et cetera. "The beautification and sexualisation of women is shoved in our faces" Right, but are they usually styled/fixed or not in those advertisements, posters and so on? and to top it off they make a heck of a lot more money in that industry compared to men Maybe so, but why? we get conditioned what to like and how to think by pop…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 10:50 PM
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If "attractive" to a significant extent also involves personality, then it's a little different, yes. Do you find that women are more beautiful than men overall - also if they were to be compared au naturel? Try to suspend your own gender/sexuality while thinking about it. Anyway, imagine a guy who is not extraordinary in any way, but who has a decently healthy body, full head of hair, average skin and is well-groomed. How do you reckon his looks would be rated by women? Then compare that with h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 08:23 PM
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When you say that there are more 1-4 men than women etc., what exactly are you comparing? Men and women au naturel, or both with max. styling?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 08:00 PM
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Yeah, maybe, but then again, there's the argument that the difference between how men and women relate to sex concerns mainly environmental rather than biological factors, so it's complicated. Perhaps those who favour the biological explanation still are right, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 07:48 PM
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It sums up the demand difference, but it doesn't really explain why there is this difference. That is, precisely why more men find women attractive than women find men attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 03:56 AM
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The average woman is more attractive than the average man. To what extent would that assessment change depending on whether everyone was assessed au naturel?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 03:24 AM
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Next up: we will nominate the candidates for composer of the decade - purely based on sales numbers!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 02:47 AM
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How would you describe your own appearance? Big? Small? Muscular? Skinny? Striking abs?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 02:25 AM
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Also when the fat comes in not excessive amounts (24 isn't even overweight according to BMI, but OK, it's quite close) and in the right places?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 02:16 AM
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You could also angle it a bit differently and say that factors like fitness make it possible to approach some answers, albeit not fully objective ones. And it's those factors that make me skeptical of statements like "Women just are more attractive/beautiful". They may be more in demand, and they may be better styled etc., but I'm not convinced that they are, on average, significantly more (naturally) beautiful than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 01:47 AM
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Really? Do you have any limits in the other direction? Or in terms of body type? Unless you were satirizing women's height preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 01:40 AM
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/u/LeJacquelope's underlying point is good though. The quote they reacted to first and foremost says something about demand. Men pursue women more than women pursue men. Does that difference primarily boil down to women being more beautiful etc. or to men being hornier/having lower standards? You tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 01:36 AM
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I think it would be a good idea to clarify the terms, to avoid confusion. When you say "Women just are more attractive.", do you mean that they are more beautiful etc. than men, or that they are more in demand among men than men are among women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 01:25 AM
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As I suggested in my previous comment, I agree that it can be annoying when such statistics are attempted censored. Moreover, not everyone who uses them do it in order to demonize. However, I think it's suspicious/intellectually lazy to just point at the numbers and stop there. That applies, in my opinion, regardless of whether the stats refer to ethnic groups, socioeconomic classes, genders, you name it. One can probably find some interesting stuff by looking behind those numbers. If some "libe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 01:12 AM
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Do you find that women are more beautiful primarily due to things related to fitness, various forms of styling or biology?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 12:54 AM
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I struggle deciding whether I agree with your first paragraph. It hinges on the definition of "attractive". One would be hard-pressed to deny that women are more in demand - as far as casual sex goes, at least. However, does that mean that they are more attractive (more beautiful, fitter etc.)? I wouldn't necessarily jump to that conclusion. Imagine a group of people assessing 1) a piece of art that a professional spent a long time making, and 2) something half-assed that a random person made. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 12:46 AM
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I don't like censoring/withholding facts, but at the same time, it's more useful to have both facts and relevant context. Just like you could say "Native Canadian males represent 40% of the prison population despite being 1% of the general population", I could say "According to stats ABC, working-class men are overrepresented when it comes to bad things XYZ". Okay, then what? Demonize both the Canadian natives and the working-class men, or dig deeper, to try to understand what has influenced the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 10:01 PM
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Sure. Supply and demand! Yes, but I have the impression that for quite many short men, their height is a sore point. Weight will change throughout one's life, which also means that it's somewhat a function of lifestyle/decisions, as opposed to height (I say this as someone who happens to find lots of overweight women attractive, by the way). Being left for a younger/thinner woman isn't fun, just like it isn't fun to be rejected in favour of a taller man. If a guy leaves you while (that is, becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:24 PM
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Ok, you edited/extended your comment, and it seems that my inkling was right: the women will move to other apps due to not wanting to mention their weight. I don't see why women entering their weight would be a bigger deal than men entering their height, though. I don't know to what lengths those who want to filter in this way would go to find what they want. Again, I wouldn't bother. I don't think putting in bogus numbers is a good idea, generally. I'm sure some short men can testify about that…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 07:34 PM
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I personally wouldn't be inclined to filter based on these criterions, but I just thought it seemed like you made something easy seem difficult. Why will women move on to other apps? I have an inkling, but I'll wait for your reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 07:17 PM
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So, her BMI is 23.58? She would have been in the healthy range if she wasn't as muscular too, as far as I understand. If your BMI is 18.5 to <25, it falls within the normal. If your BMI is 25.0 to <30, it falls within the overweight range. If your BMI is 30.0 or higher, it falls within the obese range. https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/adult/defining.html
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 06:14 PM
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150 lbs and 5'7 would amount to a BMI of 23.5, correct? Isn't 25+ considered overweight?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 06:09 PM
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Filter for height and weight, problem solved?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 05:58 PM
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The concave mistake the two more than the convex...?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 05:53 PM
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Do you think the preference for tall guys mostly is a visceral thing or more about social norms/pressure? The same could be asked about the preference for people who are not overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 05:48 PM
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What do you reckon that kink boils down to? Just acting in accordance with nature/social norms? I am aware of the latter factors, but it's still not obvious to me why women would prefer being treated as inferior rather than being worshipped.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 04:38 PM
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So the "I'd fuck her, but not tell my friends about her" attitude isn't as common as one might sometimes be lead to think?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 04:03 PM
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Right, I have the impression that being overweight is less healthy on average, but what do you think about my point regarding people's vulnerability to social pressure?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 01:40 PM
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Being overweight can coincide with having a bad personality, but the personality could also be good in many ways. I maintain that in both of the cases I mentioned, the reluctance to be seen with the short/fat person has at least something to do with not being strong enough to deal with social pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 01:23 PM
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Yes, on your level in terms of looks, at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 01:31 PM
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What? Face pulls? You mean you've gotten sublime rear delts and traps? Nevermind. I just saw your reply to the other person below.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 02:09 AM
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Yeah, that's what I told the guy: that if he's frustrated by not attracting fit women, maybe he should try getting fit. It struck me as strange to expect others to put in an effort to stay in shape, but not do so oneself. That said, it's difficult to alter something that is at least partly genetically rooted. It's for people like that guy to decide whether to prioritize their lifestyle or changing in order to attract the people they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 02:06 AM
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You mean that men, and women who don't want children, face a less severe wall than women who want children, or that men face a less severe wall than women who don't want children? I assume the former, but I'm not sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 01:58 AM
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Will those women usually reciprocate the love?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 01:48 AM
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While we're at it, what do you think about overweight people who don't want to date other overweight people? Do you view that as a double standard or not? I used to think that it is, but after discussing it with some people, I became less sure. One guy said that he can't do much about his preference, and a woman said, among other things, that fat men generally look worse than fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 01:02 AM
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I guess thinking wrinkles look better isn't common. In my case, it's more that I don't view it as a big deal. How does men's bodyfat affect your reaction to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 09:24 PM
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...who will be dumped in favour of Miley Cyrus' or Justin Bieber's son!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 09:20 PM
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There's overlap between the two. Right, but what reaction would be most natural to you in the absence of the "script"? I have always been skeptical of the idea of playing games/not keeping things natural, but I can see why it could make sense to not be dogmatic about it if it improves the outcome. Do you find that there is any link between the age/development of the women you deal with and how they react to the pickup things you've practiced? Or, maybe, between their development and whether you …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 09:16 PM
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Ok, I'll ask you about your preference again in another 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 08:59 PM
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"No difference" would be a bit strong, but I don't automatically prefer skinny women to someone who is overweight, nor do I automatically prefer a 20-year-old with youthful skin to a 40-year-old. As far as "all else being equal" goes, that's closer to being true about wrinkles than about weight for me, I think. I seem to be turning into a whore for a certain level of mass as I'm getting older, and I don't think it can be reduced to me tolerating more excess weight as I'm getting older.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 08:57 PM
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Would you mind revealing your age? I wonder how tied people's thoughts on aesthetic peak age are to their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 08:40 PM
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Replying here, since I don't really think that men age like wine and women age like milk; I rather partly take issue with some of your specific points: You can't tell me that there are any 30-40 year old men out there that looked as good as they did at 20. I can. The same applies to women too. If - like me - you don't view some lines in the face as a big deal, in some cases there isn't much of a difference. I can't imagine telling a woman something like "You look feminine and good, you have a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 08:29 PM
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No drugs, lots of water, no smoking, physically active... What about treats? Yes, I usually don't find that lines on an otherwise attractive woman's face make her significantly - if at all - less attractive. As you suggested, in some cases it can even contribute positively. While excess weight is a bit different, since it can indicate health issues, it would require a good amount of extra weight for me to view it as an issue, sexually/aesthetically.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 08:07 PM
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They're not physically attractive enough for a relationship, but definitely attractive enough for sex? Or just marginally attractive enough for sex? Did they seem very interested in seeing you more? And when you say "spark" and "chemistry", how much of that concerns the physical and how much concerns the personal/mental? Huh? So you have been following a script, in a sense, rather than just going with the flow, being yourself? It seems like you have reason to think that personality/attitude matt…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 07:47 PM
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How big does the difference between 30s and early/mid-20s tend to be, in your view? And, I suppose you think it applies to men as well? Anyway, I find that the difference between an attractive woman in her 50s, 30s, 20s, whatever, isn't very big.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 07:07 PM
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Women don't want men for sex as much as in the past? Why do you think so? One would think it could be the other way around, since women have more freedom today. Wouldn't you be more interested in sex the greater your freedom to choose partners is?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 06:54 PM
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Do you happen to have experimented with nutrition at all? Periods of making food decisions exclusively based on what's good for the body rather than what the tongue wants, for instance?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 06:49 PM
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Yeah, WTF? She looks attractive to me. I always get curious about how the commenters themselves look in such and similar cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 06:39 PM
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Is that even a good example of "less attractive"? Might look better without/with less make-up too. Why is it an embarassment to be seen with overweight etc. people? Seems like something similar to women who don't want to be with short guys. I suspect that it often has to do with inadequate self-confidence in both cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 06:33 PM
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Do you have any thoughts on not so good looking women? Or what about the desire of people to reproduce? Assuming there's a continuing, overall increase in living standards, how will that affect reproduction rates? I'm pretty sure I've read that increased living standards tend to at least coincide with lower reproduction rates and religion becoming less popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 06:10 PM
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i.e. the percentage of men that women find attractive based on looks alone is significantly smaller than the % of women that men find attractive based on looks alone. Not sure how true that is, but let's - for the sake of the discussion - assume it's accurate. What do you think the explanation is? Are women better at grooming? Are they delusional about their own standing? Are men's standards too low? Are women genetically wired to look better? Something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 06:00 PM
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Are you convinced you'd enjoy having sex with someone who does it only if you pay them? Moreover, how unlikely does it seem that you'll get with a woman (yeah, I just assume you're a man. I live dangerously!) equivalent of yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 05:46 PM
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The handful of girls I've had sex with in between, I didn't like enough to keep seeing. Why? Also, what do you view as your main traits that make you do well as far as casual sex goes?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 05:42 PM
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"Less attractive" as in generally not so attractive, or does being less attractive than you suffice for disqualification?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 05:30 PM
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By the way, by "average", do you mean primarily in terms of looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 05:08 PM
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Would you, really? What would be your reasoning - assuming your history is a clue pointing in another direction?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 05:02 PM
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Yeah, I didn't mean to tie looks to morality, but to possibilities. Few would deny that there is a positive correlation between looks and casual sex options. Who knows what the link between looks and morality is, but when talking about the deeds and misdeeds of men who are sexually successful, it doesn't make much sense to focus on men who are not sexually successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 04:56 PM
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That is, the fat and balding 50-year-old's main advantages are charm and humour? What's his financial situation? I won't deny that maybe his 42-year-old partner simply likes him for his humour and charm, but I'd still like to check.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 04:48 PM
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And the guys who do that shit don’t tend to be good lovers either (shock news to dudes, big dicks don’t always mean good sex). Are the guys who "do that shit" necessarily endowed? Isn't that behaviour likely more correlated with overall looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 04:37 PM
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Do you happen to know by what margin there are more single mothers? And, I suppose you mean in the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 04:29 PM
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The "Where are all the good men?" meme suggests this. Unless the women looking for the good men see quite many men who they deem good but still not attractive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 04:24 PM
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Depends on what the person wants and what the partner offers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 04:08 PM
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but I am decidedly masculine. What do you view as your main masculine traits?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 04:06 PM
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He’s getting months/years of sex without the added disadvantages of a relationship I get your point, but still: you can't know whether the guy who gets in a relationship with the woman later views being in a relationship with her as a disadvantage or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 03:45 PM
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Regarding your question, is it most sensible to stoically think "The market has spoken. These women just are more attractive than the men they don't want." or to suspect the women in question of overestimating themselves or to question the sanity of the men in question or to think that it boils down mostly to sex drive differences?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 03:23 PM
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Ok, now I'm following. I hope I'm not invading you too much, but this is quite interesting, so: do you happen to have gotten a good amount of attention from lesbians or bisexual women?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 11:39 PM
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I'm still partly confused. What does it mean in practice that your gender is masculine? Do you, for instance, find feminine men more attractive than masculine men? Do you identify more with men than with women in terms of interests, habits etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 11:24 PM
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"F" makes me think "female", i.e. "woman", while "masculine gender" makes me think "man", but maybe also "masculine woman" (but then you'd probably write that?) or something more advanced. I might not be up to speed on the language, so I asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 11:05 PM
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What do you mean by "masculine gender"? It clashes somewhat with your flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 10:52 PM
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Might work for some, but it's probably better for shorter guys to find a woman who is confident enough to just be the taller one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 10:35 PM
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Are you all for making cheaters pay regardless of what paved the way for the cheating? One may cheat for terrible or for not so bad reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 04:47 PM
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But do you have any specific people in mind - featured in articles or TV segments - who unambiguously promote their deceptive ways? If so, I'd like you to provide some links to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 03:29 PM
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What are your favourite non-fiction examples of what you have in mind? Any particular article or TV appearance? I'm not denying that it has happened, but it would be interesting to explore it further.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 02:26 PM
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but with my son they will say "oh he's speaks so well! he's so funny!" and with my girl they say, "she's so pretty! Look at her smile! Oh those green eyes!" Does that usually apply irrespective of the gender of the person who comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 03:04 AM
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Ok. Do you find that the nice and attractive guys were about as attractive as you, physically? What about their general knowledge level, skills, fitness etc. compared to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 09:08 PM
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And what if the guys who were physically attractive but very polite and nice were less physically attractive but more sexually aggressive, less nice etc. - would that have improved or worsened their chances with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 07:46 PM
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I just think that everyone who enters a relationship knowing that the other person will only have sex with them because they get money (or something equivalent) in exchange should not be naive about the arrangement. Sure, there are ways in which the other person could be shitty and also to blame, but I maintain that anyone who doesn't sufficiently mind the transactional nature of the relationship has it coming.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 07:29 PM
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Right, I guess that's partly what I assumed, but there is also the question of how flamboyant(?)/expressive they are. You are more attractive than them based on society's standards, ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 04:47 PM
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How do those gays/bis use body language? I have an inkling, but let's see if I'm on the right track. So, you are fitter/lighter than the guys you find most attractive, ok. Do they tend to nonetheless somehow look better than you overall or not? Basically if the guy has even slight abs, I ain't interested. Fuck... That is to say, thanks for enlightening me, and diversity is good!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 03:09 PM
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Women with large breasts and curvy bodies are universally seen as attractive as large breasts indicate fertility and health while wide hips indicate safe birthing. While I'm not going to deny this, I have never read much about it, so: to what extent are women with large breasts supposed to be more fertile than women with small breasts? Then there is the question of the link between breast size and overall body mass. To me, knowledge about a woman's fertility is irrelevant as far as sexual attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 02:57 PM
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Where do you draw the line between muscular and not muscular? What if a guy is very fit, strong and lean, but not particularly big and muscular? Do the guys you are attracted to happen to have a similar kind of body as you have yourself? I'm sure that a lot of this has to do with the fact my father, stepfather, and male school bullies were all muscular or athletic types... I was about to ask about this, but now I don't have to! And there you added "or athletic", which I suppose answers one of my…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 02:34 PM
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Yeah, bless those cranks. You like dadbods, but what do you think about fit guys? I'm a slightly-crazy-in-a-good-way person, in that I'll do or say random ass things to make people laugh or just have fun. But yeah, he's awesome. Seems like what you and FWB have is awesome, but damn, the downvote thing is starting to make sense now (yes, I have made some online (not just Reddit) observations in the recent years!). Back to your liking dadbods, do you think that's a case of likes or opposites attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 01:01 PM
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What is your opinion of men who've had more partners than the number you'd like women not to exceed?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 12:25 PM
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Since the person who may or may not be accurately described as a gold digger would be upfront about their intentions, the other person would have a good idea of what to expect, so I'd be tempted to give them a lot of the blame. If you agree to an arrangement where someone only will have sex with you in exchange for money, you have it coming.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 12:01 PM
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Would knowledge of an attractive woman's infertility actually cause you to not want sex with her at all? Hell no. I'd say pregnancy rather than infertility is a turn-off. I'm quite neutral about whether somebody is fertile. Though, since I have never particularly wanted children, a woman being infertile could even be seen as convenient. Does this answer change depending on whether you want kids or not? I don't see why it necessarily would depend on that. Fertility belongs to a different realm th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 11:48 AM
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Downvoted for a brief explanation/apology, huh? Internet these days... Anyway, what do you find most attractive about that dude who's pushing 50?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 11:39 AM
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I slowly become more turned off by them over time in spite of my own personal values. Which are the main changes you would have recommended making to avoid turning you off? Also, what if they were less physically attractive, but also less nice/polite/whatever - how would that have affected your reaction?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 11:11 AM
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They said "The man wants too and she's down to do that.", meaning, the guy in this scenario would voluntarily agree to it, so I guess he would view it as a decent deal. It seems like a terrible deal to me, but that's not so relevant, given the premise I quoted above.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 11:05 AM
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And how would you distribute the blame if that happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 10:27 AM
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Merriam-Webster's definition: 2: a person whose romantic pursuit of, relationship with, or marriage to a wealthy person is primarily or solely motivated by a desire for money So, strictly based on that, I suppose the answer to your question is "yes". However, "gold digger" has some clearly negative connotations, so I would have reserved that term for people who aren't upfront about their intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 10:23 AM
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How come women are less picky with other women? Does it boil down to the safety factor? Or is "less picky" inaccurate, and the explanation rather that bisexual women simply find women more attractive than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 08:27 PM
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I wonder how marginal the difference usually is. The more insignificant the difference is, the less reason there is to wear it in the first place, or...? And, in addition to that, I've come across some surveys that appeared to confirm some of my suspicions, but I don't know how representative those surveys are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 03:25 PM
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I don't know enough about it to tell how onto something you are. Regardless, what would you say are the main reasons people wear make-up? If the effect is severely overestimated, then the surveys I have come across about the subject are not as representative as I thought they perhaps were. Moreover, I'm also curious about the purpose of wearing so sparse amounts of make-up that somebody as familiar with the art/issue as you can't tell whether they are wearing any.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 03:07 PM
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You raise valid points about what some NEETs say about makeup tho. I just looked up that acronym. What do they (as opposed to... whoever?) say about makeup?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 02:48 PM
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Did you get an explanation of why they treated you differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 11:35 PM
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Wikipedia on this issue: Libido (/lɪˈbiːdoʊ/; colloquial: sex drive) is a person's overall sexual drive or desire for sexual activity. A person may have a desire for sex, but not have the opportunity to act on that desire, or may on personal, moral or religious reasons refrain from acting on the urge. Psychologically, a person's urge can be repressed or sublimated. Conversely, a person can engage in sexual activity without an actual desire for it. Then, on top of that, people have varying degree…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/20 01:13 AM
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Nor if the alternatives were marginally higher, quite a bit higher and a lot higher?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 08:56 PM
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Do you think those sexually successful men were misogynistic because they were generally primitive or because of whatever experiences they had with women? I guess these two possible explanations aren't mutually exclusive, but you get the idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 08:25 PM
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It's possible to like that someone appreciates one's ability to provide without liking gold-diggers. The only men who are upset with a gold digger are the ones that gold diggers aren’t interested it (aka not wealthy). Do you believe that the only people who try to be smart about taxes - because they are "upset with" tax levels - are poor people? Do you also believe that only poor people care about losing wealth in a divorce, and that someone like Kelly Clarkson or Adele wouldn't care about it? I…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 08:09 PM
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Do you climax each time, as long as it's done right, or does it ever somehow just not happen? Whether it's someone going down on you or just you masturbating.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 07:12 PM
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Has your husband ever tried to explain his apparent double standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 06:49 PM
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Approximately how much stronger is men's libido overall, in your view? I've been exploring this subject for a while, but I'm still not sure what to make of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 06:46 PM
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You did say "it comes very close to being a lie", though. Would you say it's so close to being a lie that it's almost 50/50 for men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 06:45 PM
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Did the purity movements you mentioned preach purity only for women? Because, if not, then that was about shaming people - not just shaming women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 06:34 PM
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Is that accurate? I thought sex drive was the extent to which you want to have sex - regardless of whether that is with everyone or not. Whether you want to fuck everyone is also a question of taste, not just libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 06:18 PM
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What are the common denominators in terms of why those guys don't excite the women?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 06:09 PM
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Do you have any impression of how the shaming has changed over time? Is it still bad, or has it improved significantly?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 06:07 PM
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main difference being men would bang nearly everything they can find and women wont What causes this difference (libido as a factor excluded)? Women being more concerned with safety? Men being less attractive, overall? Something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 05:54 PM
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If you're going to have children in the first place, it is preferable that the father is resourceful, but a relationship based largely on one party's desire for the other party's money seems like a recipe for a shaky relationship. Also, (assuming my understanding of gold digging is right) what would happen if a universal principle was developed based on the gold digger mentality? It could backfire pretty badly, and I don't know how many who would be fine with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 01:43 PM
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This also prevents the thousand cock stare Prevents the... what?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 07:04 PM
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They don't typically announce their inner feelings, though. I have seen quite a number of people suggest it has worked in their case, but something I'm curious about is: how viable is it to always keep that mask on? And, who are the women who fall for it? All kinds, or just a certain kind who's messed up?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 10:40 AM
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What exactly are you saying? For instance, what share of all people (men as well as women) who have lots of options do you think would prefer to switch places with those who have very few options?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 09:01 AM
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That's your advice for men. How different would your advice for women be?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 08:44 AM
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I can't imagine a guy ever being his true self around his wife/girlfriend How come? Always putting on an act in a relationship must be stressful. Perhaps it happens in shitty relationships where the two people weren't a good match in the first place. Or are you just saying that most relationships are shitty?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 08:32 AM
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Thanks for the elaboration. Right now, I think I'm pretty much bang in the middle, in terms of BMI.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 04:43 AM
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Yes, who knows to what extent cultural conditioning also has influenced preferences. The same applies to men's perception of overweight women, although in that case, the health aspect is arguably more relevant than when it comes to men and height. Granted, there are various degrees of overweight and I don't know everything about what being short indicates about one's health.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 09:57 PM
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How would you say the situation was, let's say, a decade before the emergence of dating apps? Was the sexual market messed up at that time?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 09:43 PM
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Yes, you did say you feel safe with him, but you didn't say much about his physique beyond his being 6'2, which made me wonder whether just being tall is enough or if the guy has to be tall, but also not very skinny and so on for you to view him as a protector.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 09:33 PM
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Not really rejected, but I have asked people (mostly women) about my physique before, and some said I looked skinny, and another person said getting a more prominent chest wouldn't have hurt. Those who said the former were typically on the larger side themselves, though, whereas the person who said the latter is pretty athletically inclined, to put it that way. At the time, I basically agreed with both those observations, even though I was borderline overweight purely in terms of BMI.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 09:24 PM
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I think everyone is entitled to their preferences - whatever they are. That said, do you think being rejected largely due to having defied obvious lifestyle recommendations is the same as being rejected due to something that is a product of pure chance? By the way, I'm not short and I like skinny as well as overweight women, so my take on this issue is philosophical/general rather than influenced by personal experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 02:10 PM
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What if the guy is tall, but skinny and not particularly fit? How does that affect your sense of feeling protected?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 01:40 PM
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Is under 5'6 a turn-off in a purely aesthetic way or is it also a question of more practical aspects?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 01:38 PM
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You get an intense reaction, but do you have any idea of why?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 01:34 PM
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When you're in good shape, you attract people who are in good shape, or is there more to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 12:34 PM
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The feeling smaller/feminine thing seems quite prevalent. Do you think something equivalent is going on with men, and that that's part of why some men don't particularly want tall - and definitely not overweight - women? That they want to be "the big one". To me, all such concerns - women's as well as men's - smell of subpar self-confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 12:23 PM
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By "couples", you probably mean relationships. What about more casual encounters, insofar as you have observed anything about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 11:33 PM
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But is that primarily why tall men are preferred? I wonder whether it's more visceral than that. Then there's the social norm factor, and how women feel around men of various heights.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 11:00 PM
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There are those who think that people who don't look so good also have a bad personality, are bitter and so on. Is that absolutely not your experience? Not saying it's my opinion, but I wanted to ask, since it's relevant to what you mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 10:37 PM
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The divorced women you referred to may not have gotten more than half of the property, but would splitting 50/50 necessarily be right in the first place? It depends on what they contributed with to the marriage. I recently saw some articles about Kelly Clarkson's divorce. She seemed not to like the prospect of possibly giving up however much of her wealth, and maybe for good reason. I don't know the details. There was also a similar case a while ago. It may have been Adele.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 09:49 PM
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That is, the guy who likes that boob girl forgets that she is not just more attractive than him, but also more attractive than most women...? Or are you saying that the guy has no standards/offers nothing himself?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 08:56 PM
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Do you have a link to one of those studies? My question is motivated more by interest than by incredulity. However, there are apparently more men than women on dating apps, so that accounts for some of the tendencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 08:49 PM
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Which interventions could result in an improved sexual market?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 08:46 PM
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Both you and the guy you replied to are right, in a sense. Sometimes, someone is willing to pay more for a product than what more objective-ish assessments would warrant paying. Also, stop obsessing about "fat ugly". What if your inbox were flooded by messages from women you deemed two points above you? Since you used 5 women vs. 7+ men in another comment yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 08:29 PM
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Yeah, but if, for instance, men are disproportionately horny and women's supposed relative unwillingness to have sex is a consequence of safety concerns, then there is a limit to how much they should be beaten up about it. By the way, to what extent do you believe that women (i.e. not just the most popular ones) can fuck "hot dudes" anytime they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 08:13 PM
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Better looking mainly due to genetics or sense of style?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 07:58 PM
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Then the question could be re-phrased: Why do top-tier women go for the top 5% of men? (Also, what percentage of women are "top-tier"?) Anyway, my underlying suspicion is that men generally have lower standards (rather than women actually being significantly more attractive genetically) when it comes to sex, but the question of why remains. Because of hormonal and related differences? Because men are less worried about safety than women? Because of the impact of cosmetics? Because men don't care…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 07:54 PM
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Assuming it's true in the first place, why do you think "5/10 women are being inundated with 7+ men"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 07:37 PM
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Concerning your second paragraph, what typically makes those guys "two points lower on the scale"? Personality? Skills? Looks? If looks, is it mostly about style/grooming or biology?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 07:01 PM
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How would you describe your physique? Generally quite fit and well-rounded? Crossfitter? Bodybuilder?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 06:00 PM
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Not sure about the general trend, but I don't know how good your example is, since it involves cheating. What if you instead focused on guys who sleep around, but who do so without cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 05:43 PM
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Pretty deep. I'd have thought you'd at least get some different impressions if you had some women you were just friends with.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 12:49 PM
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You get more compliments wearing none, but you feel better with yourself when you wear it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 05:58 PM
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Many women say they wear make-up for themselves, though - not for others. Insofar as that's not a lie, social expectations - whatever they may be - are less relevant. Do you think that women are more positive about men who are in unremarkable physical shape than men are about women who are in unremarkable shape? My impression is the opposite, but it could be skewed by focusing on how things seem online. For instance, how many websites/subreddits with men fawning over overweight women are there? …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 05:51 PM
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Do men and women equally treat you better and compliment you more when you're wearing make-up?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 05:03 PM
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You mean competitiveness in terms of skills rather than of attracting men and looking better (and consequently being treated better?)? I think it's about reaping social benefits. Exactly in what way that happens most often, I don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 04:55 PM
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Interesting. Have you always had that attitude?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 03:35 PM
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(Biden-mode: on) You seem a tad negative, maaan. (Biden-mode: off) I'm aware that there are guys who have been fucked over in divorces and that some women - just like some men! - can be unpleasant etc., but is your outlook as dark as it seems? Do you have friendly (yeah, not romantic) relations with any women or doesn't that work either? Maybe you're just annoyed by men who desperately try to impress women, but I struggle understanding exactly how deep/general your disdain is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 03:34 PM
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My one and only goal is to be in a healthy long term romantic relationship with a woman. That is, absent that, all your other interests would seem irrelevant? Be it following politics, doing some sport, learning more about some subject, helping people. Anything like that would be pointless without a long-term, romantic relationship with a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 03:18 PM
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Basically all my self-improvement/efforts have been for myself. However, if women like my shoulder/waist ratio, abs, knowledge about whatever subject, you name it, I won't complain!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 03:15 PM
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I imagine women overall are better at styling, hair and clothes, but what about fitnesss and genetics? Do you find that men are worse off in terms of that too? What were the main ways in which you changed your appearance? So, your dynamic with women is different because you're not afraid of being accused of exploiting them...? I see no reason why men would be more boring overall, so I guess you for some reason have been stuck with one type of guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 02:18 PM
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What do you find most men are lacking in terms of physical attraction? And how attractive would you say you are? Also, in another comment you said that you get tired of guys pretty easily. Does that apply only to men? If so, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 08:32 PM
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You do have a point, but at the same time: how many men are really forced into fatherhood? There is one thing men who don't want to become fathers should avoid doing. If they consciously and voluntarily nonetheless do that one thing, do they deserve your sympathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 08:23 PM
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Just physically unattractive, I assume...? I'd go with the flow. If she were friendly, I'd be friendly. If her personality were unattractive, my attitude would, more or less automatically, be one of cold/ironic distance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 06:30 PM
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I'm aware of the popularity of tall guys, but no amount of data on that is "clear evidence against everything" she said.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 06:13 PM
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I believe at least some of those who say they make potential long-term partners wait due to vetting reasons, but what if it were about physical attraction? It's undeniable that most people find some more attractive than others. Maybe you'll say that, in such a scenario, the right thing to do would be not to get involved with the less attractive person in the first place, which I guess would be a good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 05:41 PM
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Different time, different mood/plan...? Or are you implying that she had sex earlier with you because you're superior to the other guy in whatever ways?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 05:32 PM
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But are they flooded with comments because women overall are more attractive than men (be it due to biology or grooming and style), or because men are e.g. wired to be hornier? Perhaps gays and bisexuals should be consulted more about this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 05:16 PM
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Yes, the risk aspect can be easy to forget about. Anyway, what do you think about the claim that men are hornier due to biological reasons? That seems like a prevalent view, but I'm not sure what to make of it yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 05:09 PM
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I guess it doesn't matter how PC/controversial you are as long as you don't call out others for being so in equivalent ways. What do you think about guys who look feminine, but whose voice, attitude and mannerisms are masculine?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 05:04 PM
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Yes, let's put marriage aside for now. If men follow those subreddits more than women, does it indicate that they are hornier or just that they are more open about their inclinations than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 05:00 PM
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I've seen men act thirsty as fuck all my life Have you noticed any link between their looks and their apparent thirst?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:54 PM
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One time, a male sent me a dick pic all I could comment on was how the FILTH of his room caused a dessert storm. Ok, someone has to do the dirty work here, so I'll rise to the occasion: was his schlong great or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:31 PM
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So no matter how much you like someone's body in the most relevant ways, you will not really be attracted if their voice and body language rub you the wrong way? Also, did your mother seem to dismiss/ridicule your ex when she compared him with your current partner or was it more of a neutral observation?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:23 PM
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I'm not so sure. If she dislikes a short, poor guy who doesn't take care of himself, she'll arguably also dislike a tall, poor guy who doesn't take care of himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:17 PM
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Just go look at the BBW subreddits or overweight women, they are flooded with compliments of how perfect they are. How significant would you say the discrepancy is? That is, in terms of how popular e.g. overweight women are relative to overweight men. If you think the discrepancy is small, then OK. If you think it's big, what do you reckon the explanation is?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:14 PM
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Which traits beyond pretty looks come to mind first?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:02 PM
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Which are the traits that typically make you find a guy attractive? And what additional traits would make an attractive person gorgeous?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:00 PM
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men have lower standards for SMV Why? As to your last sentence, my impression is that aging women do just fine (to put it mildly) when it comes to attracting guys. Including - or maybe rather especially - younger guys. How much does your impression overlap with mine?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:49 PM
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...And how has it worked out for you so far?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:43 PM
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How would you describe your sister? Very fit and very beautiful? Average?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:36 PM
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Part of me thinks "Who cares about sexual history?". That said, I guess not only those who ask about it, but also those who feel a need to lie about it care quite a lot about the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 10:02 PM
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Ok, when you put it like that, it harmonizes more with my understanding of tactics vs. strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:24 PM
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To me, that seems like just random tactics (men) vs. more elaborate tactics (women).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:15 PM
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Some men apparently have an equivalent attitude towards strangers who they have met once. And think they don't owe their date money, just like how women think they don't owe men sex. Is that bad thinking by them? I'm not saying my approach would be like that, by the way. But it's worthwhile discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:06 PM
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Elaborate on tactically vs. strategically in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:59 PM
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"Denying" as in thinking "it's bad for you to do this, but fine for me to do this, even though our situations are the same". Right, it's not unlawful, but it wouldn't bode well in terms of ability to think clearly. Besides, if you don't see a problem with such inconsistency, then you can't call out others who are inconsistent in similar ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:49 PM
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I don't really disagree with that. What would amount to delusion/inconsistency in that case would be your granting yourself the right to reason that way, but denying a woman in a similar situation the right to do it. If your mentality is "If it doesn't affect my dating life directly, then it is irrelevant", then you'll be more prone to that kind of inconsistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:36 PM
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It's a waste of time in the same way trying to pretend that 2+2=5 is. And not only is it a waste of time, but it also gives you a distorted view of reality. To return to one of your first questions: this is why you might want to care - even if it doesn't, strictly speaking, concern your dating life. Also mind you that it should apply regardless of gender, so I don't see why anyone would oppose it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:11 PM
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It's a while since I have checked out either environment, but the rhetoric used by some people on the female dating strategy sub seems comparable to the rhetoric used by some on the red pill sub. The overall attitude towards the opposite gender on the respective venues also seems quite comparable. As to how red pill men's ideas of "high-value women" compare to female dating strategists' ideas of "high-value men", I don't really know. Perhaps it, as you mentioned, just boils down to the former ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:00 PM
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I'm not against being cautious - even hyper-cautious, but it's possible to do that without relying on double standards. If, according to a universal principle, it's OK for two people to act in a certain way, then it's just a waste of time to try to pretend it's OK for one, but not OK for the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:46 PM
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Perhaps "hypocrisy" isn't the right word for what I have in mind. I'll re-phrase from "...and avoid hypocrisy" to "...and avoid illogical/emotional reasoning that makes you hold person A to a tougher standard than you hold person B to".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:33 PM
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It may not matter for heterosexual men's dating life, but it does matter for anyone who wants to have an accurate understanding of reality and avoid hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:16 PM
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Your recent Canada example. What's going on there? Is it mainly about child support? If so, did the woman trick the man to become a father? If it isn't mainly about a child, then WTF is going on? You said they were not married.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:41 PM
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Given the decreasing income differences etc. between men and women, could it be an idea to focus more on social class, cultural environment and such factors rather than gender when assessing possible partners? Also, to what extent do the things you said about women (past their prime after the age of 27, risk of exploitation and cheating, for instance) apply to men as well? It would be particularly interesting to hear gay men's perspective on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:29 PM
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I don't immediately see a problem with your suggestion, but I say that as someone who has never felt any urge to ask anyone on a date, so my perspective is probably somewhat colored by that. Anyway, I'd like to ask this: would your attitude be the same toward a woman who wanted a date with a man, but who wouldn't have sex with him on the first date? That is, that she likely is selfish, has trust issues, isn't really romantically inclined, that it would feel awful for the man and so on?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 07:51 PM
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Perhaps money is more imortant if the comparison is lots of money and average physically attractive vs. average money and very physically attractive, but one would think that many average attractive women actually desire average attractive men (I know this is a contested issue!), so it may not be the most interesting comparison if what we're discussing is cases where the women don't actually desire their partner. I guess I rely mostly on speculation and anecdotes, but do you think game and style…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:56 AM
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Whether you think the comparison is fair depends on the extent to which you think women privilege money. Perhaps I overestimated how convinced you are about your fundamental point. I'll again quote the part of your post I responded to initially: Now, the usual counterargument is that these women don't genuinely desire these men and while this is true, does it really matter? And now I'll answer your question by also quoting you: realistically most of them will also cheat. I guess it doesn't matte…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 08:10 PM
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Yeah, ok, I thought about it myself. Change "not rich" to "poor" then. I still think it's an interesting comparison, since I really struggle believing that women will suspend sexuality and other things just because a guy is rich. The cynic in me thinks that women who are in such relationships either have "arrangements" (Melania Trump...?) or simply cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 07:41 PM
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It would make it easier, but I'd still be suspicious of a relationship where one of the pillars is one person's extreme interest in the other person's money. I'm not convinced it's the most important factor, but I haven't approached the issue in a systematic way. Do you think more women would prefer a guy who is rich but boring and not physically attractive than a guy who is not rich but fun and physically attractive? Assuming cheating wasn't an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 07:23 PM
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Now, the usual counterargument is that these women don't genuinely desire these men and while this is true, does it really matter? I imagine it matters for many monogamous men. Besides, the other person being interested in you primarily due to your wealth is arguably a shaky basis for a relationship - even regardless of the prospects of cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:39 PM
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I suppose the phrase makes sense insofar as both parties are very aware of the transactional nature of the relationship. I don't know how reluctant poor men are relative to rich men, but I'd have thought it's quite common to hesitate having sex with someone who would be motivated by money etc. rather than by visceral attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 05:50 PM
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Ok... Part of me wonders whether your having only dated younger guys has to do with not feeling you are on the same level as your peers and that you can have a more dominant/relaxed role when with the younger ones, but that doesn't make sense, given how you described yourself (like to read, intelligent etc.). I'm not sure I can see an old dude as sexually appealing. These age references make me curious about your age. Mid-/late 30s...?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:32 PM
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Sometimes when we drink together, there's a genuine warm side that I like better. Does this mean he mostly comes off as someone who pretends to be detached and tough? I was 10 years older. Were there any issues due to the age difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:02 PM
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I have one more question lined up, but I'll watch those clips first and see whether the answer to my question can be found there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 08:06 PM
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Is he very your type in other physical ways too - apart from being handsome? He could be handsome, but have a body you didn't really like.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 07:49 PM
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What is typically the issue when chemistry is missing? They're too boring/tame? No real common interests? Sometimes, "chemistry" seems to be used as a synonym for physical attraction, but you apparently don't have that in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 07:43 PM
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Ok, so you think it boils down to biology. Do you happen to be most attracted to feminine looking men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 07:16 PM
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Would you mind elaborating on that? For instance, concerning looks, how much is about style/cosmetics and how much is about fitness or something else? Also, have you made any observations based on social class differences instead of on gender difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 06:59 PM
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Yeah, I'll stick with Bethany. Stephanie "doesn’t really like sex", but I suppose Bethany does, since most people do and you didn't specify anything else, and Suzie "can be irrational" and is "not very smart" (and consequently probably boring long-term) and unreliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 02:35 PM
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Bethany seems like the obvious choice for me. As opposed to with the other two, there isn't anything about her that makes me skeptical. However, why did you say something about Stephanie's and Suzie's attitude towards sex, but nothing about Bethany's?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 02:25 PM
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Not many will doubt that it's good to be tall, but I wanted to point out that someone who is 5'8 hardly is far below average when the average is 5'9. And that while having a BMI of around 23 might be "far below" the average, it's also pretty much an ideal BMI, so they're in that sense doing way, way better than average.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 02:24 AM
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Far below average? Depends on which country you have in mind, I guess. The average height for men in the US is around 5'9, isn't it? As to 5'8 and 150 pounds, that makes for a BMI of 22.8, which is near optimal, as far as I know. That is not to say that a higher BMI and more lean mass couldn't be beneficial, of course. Anyway, for some perspective: The National Center for Health Statistics estimates that, for 2015-2016 in the U.S., 39.8% of adults aged 20 and over were obese (including 7.6% with…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 12:38 AM
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Right, I'll try to keep it civil. I usually do anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 02:33 PM
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How often have you come across exceptions to this? That is, men who just were nice and generous, but who didn't have any ulterior motives? And as to the guys who are "aloof, self-contained" etc., do you usually end up liking them?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 08:58 PM
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These men want to fuck hot attractive fit women with less effort I'm sure there are some of those (hypocrites), but I think I have seen more examples of guys who would like an average woman, but who say they can't get one, because the average woman doesn't fancy the average man. How accurate that is, though, is another question.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 08:03 PM
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You have to eat 1/3 of what he does and exercise 1-2 days more to maintain your figure, but how is your body size compared to his, and do you guys exercise at similar intensity, duration etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 07:51 PM
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it’s harder for women to keep weight off and lose weight. I'm still trying to get to the bottom of this issue. Isn't it more like... If a man and a woman start trying to lose weight at the same time, the man will - on average - lose more weight than the woman in the beginning, but then it evens out over time? I can back this up with a reference if you think it seems suspicious. If the same effort is put in by a man and woman, on average the man will be athletic and the woman will be slightly ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 05:51 PM
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In a sense yes, but also not necessarily: it could be a question of what they think will burn the most - regardless of the actual height/dick preferences of the women who deliver the insults.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 08:28 PM
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Ok, maybe I made a strawman. I think I did interpret you as suggesting that workers who aren't able to compete with immigrants should not be held responsible for their own situation, but I was apparently - and fortunately - wrong. Well, cultural ghettos or not, I had in mind the kind of burdens people who are opposed to immigration like to highlight (unemployment, crime etc.). Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm aware that a certain kind of comfortable/successful/elitist people are sometimes critici…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 09:43 PM
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Higher immigration in the name of fairness, equality, justice or whatever one wants to call it But why call it "in the name of" anything? And yes, I suppose immigration can be detrimental to less qualified workers, but so what? Why should immigrants be blamed for whatever random workers being less qualified/unwilling to work for the same wages that immigrants are willing to work for? Immigration eventually leads to the creation of cultural-ethnic ghettos That depends on the environment/context. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 03:09 PM
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True, wealth distribution is not the same as total wealth, but one has to start somewhere. Besides, redistribution requires some degree of coercion, which is a controversial topic. What are the main ways in which western culture has been duped about left-oriented policies benefitting the poor, in your view?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 01:08 PM
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I'm saying that they should be given some slack insofar as it's generally more difficult - due to hormonal differences between the genders - for women than for men to stay lean. Though, key phrase: "insofar as". I don't know exactly to what degree it is the case. It's something I was made aware of not very long ago, but I have yet to find out how much of a difference there is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 12:59 PM
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Your last paragraph seems partly excessive (who are you to say they don't look curvy and good?) to me, but apart from that, you made some good points. But then there's the question of whether women should be given some slack due to biological (hormonal) differences. How much easier is it for women to store fat, for instance? I have still not gotten to the bottom of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 11:28 AM
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As to conservatives vs. liberals, there's also this: “The superiority of economic performance under Democrats rather than Republicans is nearly ubiquitous; it holds almost regardless of how you define success.” Fact-checking groups have investigated similar statements and have found time and time again that they are true. Moreover, past research shows that stock market returns are also higher under Democrats. However, I'm not sure what to make of that kind of statements yet. To what extent the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 11:21 AM
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Ok, how about you refer to a source which backs up the claim that "There are more women in both categories" then? It's possible you are right, but I haven't come across anything that suggests so yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 11:35 PM
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I just think it's problematic to say "Women are fatter" when, yes, most obese people are women, but most overweight people are men and most of the people who are either obese or overweight also are men. Granted, I have yet to see what happens when the overweight category is age-adjusted. I don't know whether that would make the numbers look more favourable for men, like they did in the case of obesity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 11:21 PM
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I don't think many would claim that more cultural/ethnic diversity would entail less social unrest, but perhaps a better approach is to ask whether the factors you mentioned are the most relevant ones in terms of how well a country is doing. You mentioned some problems, but I could refer to economic development, free speech, military power, the possibility to become very successful if you work hard/smartly, to name a few good things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 11:10 PM
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99 million are overweight (45 million women and 54 million men) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States#Sex
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 10:56 PM
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"Obese" and "overweight" seem to be treated as separate categories, though. In the US, there are more women in the former category and more men in the latter, as far as I understand. However, I haven't seen any age-adjusted numbers for the "overweight" group so far, so I don't know how that would affect things. Age-adjusting for obese men and women apparently benefits men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 08:39 PM
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That could, however, be nuanced a bit. I saved a more fleshed-out explanation back when I looked through some articles about the subject, but for now, the following quote (note the last sentence!) from a BBC.com article will have to suffice: "Because of this “Women generally find it slightly harder to lose weight”, according to Dr Tom Little, a nutrition specialist and founder of Colour-Fit. “Men have more testosterone and are genetically designed to have a higher percentage of muscle and less f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 08:31 PM
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While it's futile to argue with supply and demand in the pragmatic/superficial sense, it's still worthwhile remembering that assessments can be confused. For instance, someone may think that a random person's painting is better than some work by an actual artist. Yes, it's possible that the former is better, but it probably isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 08:16 PM
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In what country? And "women are fatter" is vague. Check this out: Over 70 million adults in U.S. are obese (35 million men and 35 million women). 99 million are overweight (45 million women and 54 million men).[46] NHANES 2016 statistics showed that about 39.6% of American adults were obese. Men had an age-adjusted rate of 37.9% and Women had an age-adjusted rate of 41.1%. And here's something from another, apparently older, source: More than 1 in 3 (38.7 percent) of men, and about 1 in 4 (26.5 …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 08:01 PM
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Based on which criterions do you think that other, more homogenous, countries are doing better than the US? I have my own reservations when it comes to the US, but credit where it's due: it can be said that they've been doing well, depending on what's assessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 07:20 PM
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Men are not nearly as "ruled by their instincts" as women think they are (I'd argue that women are far worse in this regard, but I digress as that's a whole other discussion). Would you mind elaborating on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 04:14 PM
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It would go against what you have felt as natural, but you would find out more - and possibly get some positive surprises. You mean men faking being relaxed? Maybe to some extent, but at the same time, I'm not sure how easy it is for everyone to pretend to be relaxed when they really are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 12:47 PM
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Are you sure that's a prevalent view, and not basically a strawman? If your representation of their view is accurate, then, yes, it's a very weird place.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 11:18 AM
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That said, there's the idea of putting in less effort when around people you like, and there's actually doing it. Do you think it would be uncomfortable? Difficult to defy what feels natural?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 10:57 AM
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Right, but if the tendency persists (effort not bearing fruit), you know what to try. You haven't completed the experiment yet, so to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 10:05 AM
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Wait, wait, wait! That's a crucial detail I missed. Try showing them your low-effort side!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 10:00 AM
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If less effort really did result in more interest, wouldn't then some of the guys you are interested in also show interest when you put in less effort?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 09:54 AM
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Right. I was curious about whether some of the other commenters were onto something, i.e. that the guys you like are simply significantly more (physically) attractive than the guys you aren't interested in, and that that may explain some things. However, you seem to focus a lot on personality too, so I don't know. In what way are some of the guys you aren't interested in not masculine, mainly? Behaviour/attitude? Physique? Voice? Something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 09:04 AM
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Ok. What about the physical aspect?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 06:10 AM
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I don't think anything in particular is insinuated about myself by my approach to this issue. Not anything of the sort you have in mind, anyway. I think it's possible to like casual sex and still be emotionally stable, for the reasons I mentioned initially. What about "hedonistic thinking" specifically, though? Does whether someone is hedonistic depend on who they have sex with, not on how often they have sex? You didn't really elaborate. Using your logic, I don't see why you would not view some…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 04:41 AM
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Ok, so maybe it's about lack of mutual attraction then, and/or those guys having options, as others have mentioned. Or maybe they are shy or intimidated by you. It's difficult to say based on limited information. By the way, do the guys you are attracted to, but who seem not interested in you have any obvious traits in common? And what about the guys you are not attracted to, but who are interested in you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 04:34 AM
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I don't see why it would indicate emotional issues. How far would you take that logic? Would you say that two married people who prefer to have sex with each other instead of masturbating suffer from "hedonistic thinking" and have emotional issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 09:05 PM
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They'd prefer it because it feels better, the experience is better. Some may use sex as a coping mechanism/validation method, yes, but that does not preclude the possibility of others having casual sex for other reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 08:59 PM
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Why don't they just masturbate? They simply prefer sex with another person, I guess. Most people seem to prefer (good) sex to masturbation. Some even say bad sex is better than masturbating. I suppose some of the people who have casual sex have some of the issues you mentioned, just like some of them don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 08:51 PM
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Perhaps some of the people in question don't want a traditional relationship in the first place, but do like variation. Or maybe they just don't want a relationship for now, but do want it in the future. Why is it so difficult to imagine non-narcissistic etc. people having casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 08:31 PM
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Is it possible that you take your attempt at being attractive too far? To the extent that people (who otherwise would have really liked you!) think you seem fake? If not, maybe it's just a question of whether there is mutual attraction or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 07:52 PM
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Right, I imagined something like a small-ish guy with long hair and a beautiful face. No prominent facial hair. That would be considered feminine by some, but I'm sure such a guy would still be popular among many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 08:43 PM
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I was just wondering whether your mood, confidence etc. also improved as you got jacked, but it seems like that was not the case, so you have answered satisfactorily as far as I'm concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 07:26 PM
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Generally, how do you feel about women? Can you enjoy them intellectually? Do you feel like you’re able to engage with them on a meaningful level? Yes. I don't really have any reason to prefer either gender when it comes to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 06:14 PM
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Yes, I saw such a reference a little after asking you the question, as I kept reading through the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 06:10 PM
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the fact that during the Middle Ages, women who were chubby/obese were considered much more sexually desirable than thin women. Is it an established fact that not just chubby/somewhat overweight women, but outright obese women were viewed as more attractive than the skinny ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 06:06 PM
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Ok, so you are pretty certain that the difference between how you were treated before and after you got jacked had basically everything to do with your physical change, and not much to do with whatever other factors?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 05:57 PM
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Did anything else about you change at the same time, that also could have affected people's attitude toward you? Mood, confidence or something like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 05:25 PM
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...presumably said by different people, in which case there's no contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 05:12 PM
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I'm not really disputing it, but since you mentioned stats, what's the most credible source suggesting it that you can think of?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 04:24 PM
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Insofar as the latter is problematic, to what extent should men's behaviour be criticised for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 04:18 PM
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And some (very attractive) women may just prefer guys who are somewhat feminine, but beautiful. Or do you dispute that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 04:14 PM
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I'm also curious about how not just surgeries, but all cosmetics that change people's appearance affect who they attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 03:29 PM
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I imagine it's not so much about whether men pursue relationships or not, but more about attitudes towards women. What does "the media" say about these men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 03:22 PM
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I think there's room for significant distortion of perception if, for instance, it is the case that men are thirstier than women. The mere fact of men being more eager wouldn't demonstrate that women have better genes. It would just demonstrate that men, overall, want to have sex with women more than women want it with men, which may or may not be explained by libido differences and other confounding factors. Ok, saying that women's genes don't matter as much as men's genes do is a different poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 05:07 PM
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But how to determine how much of Bob desiring Jane, but Jane not desiring Bob has to do with distorted perception and other things rather than genetic quality? There is talk of "male thirst", which is just one possible source of confusion concerning this. Bob could be smarter, fitter, prettier etc. than Jane, but that may not matter if the latter has a lower libido, is more concerned with safety/risks, assesses herself inaccurately and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 04:27 PM
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Which are the main criterions you use for assessing someone's genetic quality? Do you primarily go by supply and demand on the sexual market, i.e. you trust other people's evaluations, or do you have a list of criterions you judge by?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 04:04 PM
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What did those statistics suggest? What were the main correlations?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 02:01 PM
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I'm not being a dick. I like your description of your body, but your reference to ugly girls made me laugh - partly because I didn't see it coming.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 07:57 PM
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Yeah, given that description, and your pretty face, I can believe that it's "pretty easy" for you to attract guys. like ugly girls do with makeup. Oh my savage!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 07:22 PM
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What have you experienced? They told you that they'd like a well-behaved man, only to get - and remain! - with a guy who treated them badly?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 05:19 PM
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The "certain kind of people" I referred to in my first comment might somehow react relatively positively to being treated badly, but how many are that disturbed? One would think it's a minority of young/confused people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 05:07 PM
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How about this: different people have different preferences. Some women express a preference for men who are muscular, endowed, have abs and so on. What to make of that? Should I assume they're lying about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 05:01 PM
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While I don't doubt that red pill methods work well on certain kinds of people, I still struggle imagining it working on people who are confident, rational, laidback and so on. As to asking women about their preferences, sure, some lie, but what's your basis for saying that basically all of them lie? I don't think there's any contradiction between banging women and discussing preferences with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 04:56 PM
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Right. How about this: if all women with a preference for tall men were surveyed, do you think that a majority would say that the preference is primarily a very visceral thing (due to height being a dimorphic trait), or would you expect a majority to think more along the lines of social expectations ("I'd look/feel weird next to a short husband/boyfriend"), safety/strength and that kind of more rational factors?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 10:23 PM
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Yeah, well, I don't really see why someone would be brutally turned off by being approached by a woman. I guess there are guys who are fixated on the chase, but who knows how much of it that explains.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 09:54 PM
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Irrespective of their attractiveness, ok. And did you happen to find some of those who approached you very attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 08:41 PM
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I should probably ask some men about why they prefer smaller women. In principle, I wouldn't by default pick a woman who is smaller than me at the expense of someone who is bigger than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 06:20 PM
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Whether both those preferences stem from something like "I want a physically strong and robust partner" or if it's more complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 06:06 PM
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About how many of the women who approached you did you think: "She is attractive, I would have liked to get to know her, but nope, she approached me, so now I have to avoid her"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 04:58 PM
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Yeah, I actually like being detailed in this way. Plus, the preference for tall men is very common, as far as I know, but the reasons why don't seem to be as obvious as when it comes to preferring people of a healthy weight, so it's quite relevant in that sense. As to the "divide between just "aesthetically pleasing" and "aesthetically pleasing because of safety, status, feeling feminine"", I'd say that how a guy's height/appearance affects your sense of safety, status, feeling feminine etc. isn…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 03:51 PM
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Yeah, I thought about it. It's blurry. How about the following for further clarification: there is how someone makes you feel due to how aesthetically pleasing they appear to you, and there is how someone makes you feel due to how their appearance makes you think about safety, status, feeling feminine and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 03:23 PM
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NO WEAK CHINS Have you been beardfished yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 10:44 AM
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When you put it like that, it seems like it's more about how guys' height make you feel (due to safety concerns and/or social norms/expectations?) and less about aesthetics. What do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 10:36 AM
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Short-term relationships easy because you have a pretty face, but how would you describe your body?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 10:30 AM
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I've sometimes seen the claim that men don't quite realize how women can notice a nice ass on a man. So, what does a nice ass on a man look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 10:21 AM
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Why is 5'10 and up ideal? Is it mostly due to aesthetics or something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 10:12 AM
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That is, you were surprised by your being attracted to the guy who was one inch shorter than you? If so, why do you think you have tended to prefer guys who are taller than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 10:08 AM
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How related do you think your height and weight preference is?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 09:56 AM
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I don’t want anyone with long hair Is it a visceral reaction or something you have developed due to what you associate with men with long hair?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 09:04 AM
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Their lack of this need makes them a reminder of the objective physical reality I would rather fight, while they surrender, and the illusion I'd like to maintain (of ourselves as something elevated) only works if we all play along When you put it like that, your outlook suddenly makes a lot more sense to me. If those people serve as a reminder of something uncomfortable, then I see why you aren't just... indifferent about their indifference. Whether your unease about "the objective physical real…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 08:15 AM
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I wondered whether the way low inhibition affects beauty and/or health was, by far, the main source of your annoyance. I struggled coming up with possible reasons for why you'd be annoyed, as long as the people are genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 07:15 AM
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What if the person with low inhibition is a beautiful, confident woman who gladly talks about everything about her body, isn't afraid of wearing things that look stupid etc., would such a person be annoying? Ok, I just had a last-minute thought about your annoyance at the kind of people you described: could it be partly related to the link between not caring about one's body (getting overweight) and developing diseases, or is that just a small part of the explanation - if even that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 06:53 AM
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How much would suspending the aspect of masculinity vs. femininity likely affect your assessment?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 10:15 PM
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Right, personality influences language. I'm not sure whether I agree that the concept of personality is muddling. If you basically have in mind that people are conditioned by their environment ("is there a real self in there?" etc.), then ok. By "personality", I mean something like the disposition/mood/attitude, principles and mannerisms of the individual. The extent to which those are a product of social conditioning (muddling the concept of "personality"?) or not is another question. Is there …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 09:29 PM
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I don't think I find the genuine ones perplexing. Maybe it boils down to just having adapted; different DNA, different experiences since day one. Or maybe it boils down to having been conditioned by people with a certain outlook - just like how people who focus abnormally much on appearance may have been conditioned in the opposite way. Or perhaps they have somehow developed their own outlook, privileging developing some skill, enjoying life/relaxing or whatever at the expense of conforming to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 07:43 PM
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Which advantages? Edit: Nevermind. I just saw another comment by you where you elaborated on the advantages!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 06:35 PM
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Maybe the correlation is weaker than I thought, but it would be interesting to see how much slightly different phrasings would affect people's answers. For instance, there's a difference between "I have a very strong desire to always be the prettiest person in the room" and "I look pretty good and I'm glad I do". In a way you should wonder that if you are smart, wouldnt you understand how important this is? Yeah, I don't think many would dispute that looks matter, but as I suggested above: there…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 04:37 PM
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Yeah, I didn't assume you have a comparable need to be the one who knows best, but rather that you usually find that you just are the one who knows best. Anyway, your elaboration gave me a better idea of what you mean. I can relate to not feeling inferior when faced with someone who knows more than me about a specific subject and instead focusing on "sucking it in", but I can't relate at all to strongly preferring always being the most good looking person in the group. Do you think you are somew…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 01:52 PM
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Although, these ''means'' I speak of aren't about personality, partly because personality is such an abstract and slippery concept in the context of dating. It's actually about communication. But isn't communication style an expression of personality? Sure, the communication could be misleading/deceptive, but then that would indicate a somewhat deceptive personality...? Do you have an example of something that would typically cause a lag in your communication with men but not with women? As to u…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 01:02 PM
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Yeah, that's the question: if it is the case that society rewards good looks, then to what extent is focusing on appearance a sensible adjustment rather than something vain and ridiculous? There are of course those who say that they don't care much about looks, but I'm not sure how numerous they are. Or how many liars there are among those who say that. At the same time, I find it a little puzzling that you have this strong preference while also never thinking of anyone as smarter than you, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 12:37 PM
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I like the role of the most attractive one in the group. Not just in your relationship, but in the group, okay. What do you think are the main reasons for this strong preference? That it tends to entail whatever social benefits, or is it about something even more vague than that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 11:11 AM
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That is, with women, you find it easier to offset looks imbalances by means of personality? But isn't there also great variation when it comes to men and their personality? Or are they actually quite similar overall? Anyway, what typically makes them less relatable?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 11:02 AM
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But even if you aren't romantically interested in guys, you could have similar thoughts about them (on a more fundamental level) as you have about women, whatever those thoughts concern (health, loyalty/character, you name it). Granted, there is of course the perspective that men dislike women who sleep around and women like men who sleep around, and if that's the case, I guess it gets trickier to say what's hypocritical and not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 02:13 AM
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Do you nonetheless sleep around, or are you actually suspicious of everyone (not just women) who sleeps around?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 01:20 AM
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Is it possible that you were generally attractive and that she persisted with you despite the big feet remark? That is, that she would have liked you even more if you complimented her hair or something. Alternatively, perhaps she was an easygoing person and knew that you were just fooling around.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 12:20 AM
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Was it only your attitude that changed? Not your style, fitness etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 11:55 PM
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But based on your observations and experiences, would you say that most men who are less pretty than their partner tend to behave in the pathetic way you referred to? Also in the cases where the woman is prettier, but the guy is better in some other ways (smarter, richer, fitter, you name it)? That said, since you experienced it when you were a "young woman", maybe it's mostly young men who act in that weak way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 06:09 PM
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Does it generally work like that? Don't the guys you have in mind have/focus on other aspects? The kind of man you described strikes me as very weak, and I wonder how many there are of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 05:49 PM
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I have also dated guys in my league or just very attractive men and that’s another thing... Have you noticed any strong tendencies when it comes to whether the guys are below, in or above your league and how they behave? Or does it all seem pretty random? Society might see me as out of his league but i personally don’t. I think it all boils down to how mature & secure someone is in themselves. So, society would say that you are out of his league due to looks, but you'd say that you're not out of…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 05:37 PM
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This is interesting. Do you have a clear idea of why you like being the pretty one when you're with men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 05:19 PM
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Assuming "attractive" refers to looks, wouldn't you be fine with your partner being viewed as the more attractive one even if you were smarter, fitter, more socially successful, richer etc. than them either? Ok, if you were better in all those ways, maybe you'd view the other person as uninteresting in the first place, but you know what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 04:45 PM
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Yes, but do you think that there are way fewer men than women with model-level looks? Is that a big part of why those men "own the sex market"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 04:36 PM
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And what's the main reason they own the sex market? Scarcity?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 04:30 PM
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Why would such a man be leagues above the equivalent woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 04:08 PM
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What if some heterosexual male soccer enthusiasts were in an environment where there were no women. Would you expect them not to be very interested in showing off in various ways? Be it showing off impressive tricks to the other guys, or just talking about their soccer interest for whatever reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 05:11 PM
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So, when someone picks up a new hobby, to what extent do you reckon it's motivated by a desire to enjoy that activity because they think it seems fun, and to what extent do you think it's a result of the push of the instinct or what to call it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 01:51 PM
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I'm not sure I agree with that. For instance, while some politicians and businessmen probably pursue power and money in order to be more sexually attractive, I believe some do it primarily because they care about the development of society or about their lifestyle. When I played soccer when I was younger, insofar as I showed off, it was to amuse those I was playing with. If I read a book about economics now, it's because I want to understand the world better, and use that knowledge - either to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 01:54 AM
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Not sure if I interpreted your question right, but anyway: isn't it more likely that a person who shows off about the books they have read do it in order to bond intellectually and have fun etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 01:53 AM
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How much "awful shit" did you do? And did it attract all kinds of women or did those who gravitated towards you have some main traits in common?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 12:58 AM
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The "south" being most affected, was it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 09:20 PM
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I had a look at some statistics, and while 40.4% of US adult women and 35% US adult men belong to the "Obesity (including extreme obesity)" category, 38.7% of the men and 26.5% of the women belong to the "Overweight" category. So, 73.7% US men and 66.9% US women suffer from "Overweight or Obesity".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 09:08 PM
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this is supported by scientific studies that show that women are more generous, more likely to donate to charity, more likely to share and are generally nicer and more empathetic Would you say that most women want men to be more like that as well? That question may seem foolish to some, but the quoted part above reminded me of an observation commonly mentioned by red pillers, i.e. that they have more success with women when they act less nice, empathetic and so on. I'm not quite sure what to mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 11:28 PM
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Have you noticed any trends in terms of e.g. social class (or age, since you mentioned your 17yo cousin) when it comes to your bad experiences? Or, I guess your perception of which, if it's mostly been strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 11:06 PM
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Do the people who comprise the "certain crowd" seem to have some main things in common? And what about those in the "better crowd", what do they have in common? I'm thinking beyond just whether they are kind and polite. More along the lines of fitness, intellectual development, wealth and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 10:42 PM
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You were 14, so she was presumably around the same age, which is a mitigating factor. Have you had similar experiences/impressions years later too?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 06:40 PM
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Yeah, but I didn't think particularly about the cervix. I remember a woman who described herself as big, who wrote about her pereferences. She said that she needs bigger dicks, partly due to doggystyle. Then there are those who prefer it for aesthetical reasons. I'm sure some (...many?) guys obsess about this issue, but if I were to count all times I have seen dick size being more or less casually referred to during conversations generally, I'm pretty sure I would have found that women brought i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 06:14 PM
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Since you can easily get relationships, have you ever asked any of your girlfriends about what they would have thought about sleeping with you the first time they met you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 04:25 PM
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Sure, but... Ok, what size do you think is most popular? My bet would be "A bit bigger than average". Maybe even bigger. I'm also curious about whether there is any link between women's body size and their dick size preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 04:17 PM
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It's not surprising, especially if what I recently read about men being seriously overrepresented on dating apps is accurate. Does your Tinder experience correspond with your overall experience? Also, how physically attractive would you say you are? Are the guys who like you on Tinder onto something, or don't you even view yourself as attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 04:10 PM
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Are the lies you have in mind "It's personality that counts" etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 03:57 PM
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1) I see sexual rejection more as expressing an opinion than being an insult. 2) I haven't really approached anyone, except for during a couple of very drunk episodes when I was around the age of 20 and approached some women and their boyfriends(!), so I'm not so familiar with rejection. 3) Are you sure men are more insulted by sexual rejection than women are?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 03:54 PM
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Just to clarify, since a woman who sleeps around, sleeps with someone: do you think approximately the same about men who sleep around too? I'm not sure whether you think differently about men, or think the same, but didn't mention it, since the discussion starter asked about women specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 02:48 AM
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Really, no shaming at all? I don't know... I impulsively read it as pretty harmless humour. It could also be an investigative question!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 02:26 AM
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Yeah, I almost added something like "I think at least statistics would favour the guy who goes down", so what you said makes sense. If you’re ever left perplex wondering why a beautiful woman is with a broke guy or a broke ugly guy, it’s cause his sex game is fire. I'm sure it happens, but if I had to bet some money, my bet would be that beautiful women don't often go for broke and ugly guys - even if his dick is big and tongue is skilled. Am I underestimating how willing women are to accept thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 02:20 AM
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Yes. Would either of the two I described in the hypothetical be more likely to make you orgasm?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 01:46 AM
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This made me speculate... What would be your reaction to a guy half-assing foreplay and not going down on you, but fucking you real good with a big dick vs. a guy who were great at foreplay and going down on you, only to prove inadequate when fucking, be it due to size issues, endurance issues or whatever? Would one of the two be clearly worse than the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 12:36 AM
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Do you have reason to think that there is any correlation between a woman's dick size preference and her own body size? Does it seem to be all over the place in the case of you and your friends, or is there a pattern? I had never really thought about it in this way until I saw a comment by a self-described big-assed woman, who, among other things, said that she needs bigger dicks for doggystyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 12:16 AM
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Probably that this is fantasy: some chicks like them smaller I'm aware that some claim to like that. Maybe they are honest, but who knows how representative they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 12:04 AM
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"Fat" is vague. Besides, I bet the opinions are quite divided about this. Have you never seen a fat person who you nonetheless thought had pretty eyes, good skin, a nice and charming smile and so on? And if the person in question is a woman, there's the possible bonus of fortunate fat distribution, meaning... Admirable tits, ass, hips, legs, to name a few.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 09:58 PM
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Are you speaking based on your own preferences or more general observations?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 09:49 PM
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But men with higher body counts also have the potential to cheat. Yes, that's why I said "be they men or women" and "regardless of whether the skeptical person is a man or a woman". I don't single out either gender when it comes to this. It's about principles and attitudes. I wouldn't be particularly surprised if men cheat more than women overall. Personally, I don't really care much whether men or women do this or that, since I have never felt any urge to be in a long-term, traditional relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 02:07 PM
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Yeah, I was mostly kidding. I couldn't resist, since you had been stressing how most women tend to lie about it. Your approach could work well as a way of circumventing people you wouldn't like anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 01:56 PM
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Right, but does that necessarily imply that masturbation entails lower fertility? I wonder whether it could also be angled more as a timing issue. Guys have different refractory periods, and I don't know what the link between refractory period and fertility is. Short refractory period suggests high fertility? Maybe, but I don't know to what extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 01:49 PM
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Yes. So you'd actually be willing to compromise like that, even if you had options of endowed guys lined up? Or maybe you have some other feature you react more strongly to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 01:45 PM
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No, not really. Of course a man shouldn't ejaculate right before he's going to try to impregnate his wife, but I'm not familiar with the link between masturbation and fertility. Insofar as I've heard anything about the link between masturbation/sex and health, it is that it's generally good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 01:41 PM
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Do you think women are more oriented towards short-term gratification than men are, generally, or just in terms of this? Anyway, it takes a man and a woman to make children, which is just one of several reasons I don't have any illusions about men either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 11:44 AM
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Easier said than done if they just aren't attracted to small dicks, I guess. Think about some physical feature you don't like. How able are you to make yourself like that feature?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 04:24 AM
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men who have found out I am a stripper and have had sex with two guys ...should - insofar as they are fixated on these issues - mind that you also say that: MOST women lie about their body count. Statistically speaking, they should be worried! :D
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 04:20 AM
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Interesting... Where did you hear the stuff about how sex/masturbation affects men's and women's fertility?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 04:00 AM
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What would be your reaction if all the low-ish n-count women you'd consider as candidates for marriage said "I would never marry someone who has had sex with as many people as saladfingers4141"? Edit: Ok, ignore my question. I just saw that someone else had asked it earlier, and you answered them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 03:46 AM
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She will be unstable. I won't be. I won't source any of that. It's what I think. Would most men be unstable?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 03:35 AM
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Damn it, you're making me defend the people whose views I don't really share, because this comment of yours seems like a strawman, since if they had access to all relevant information, they wouldn't have chosen to be with the "promiscuous" person in the first place. I guess they aren't really able to love people who have had however many partners in the past. I don't think like that, but I'm pointing out why your rhetorical question seems misguided to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 11:30 PM
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How about this: if you really had an issue with derogatory terms, then people using them wouldn't be able to make you retaliate by using them too? Different angle: if a black woman - without provocation - said something derogatory about someone, to what extent would you consider it OK if the other person used the N-word about the black woman? Would it at least seem slightly contradictory to you if this other person claimed to disapprove of the use of slurs? While I have some sympathy with "But t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 11:09 PM
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Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that the guys you referred to "need a strategy". Just that they may have interests beyond banging people too. While they probably aren't seeking advice, they might enjoy exchanging perspectives for other reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 07:54 PM
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Yes, but what about the other question: why don't you sleep with the people many apparently expect you to sleep with?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 12:12 PM
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Straight up Natural Alphas aren't going to be hanging around on reddit. What else won't "Straight up Natural Alphas" do? Read/watch news? Participate in discussions? Read books? Are they just too busy dominating women to do anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 11:55 AM
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Ok, I understand better why you think the way you do now. It makes sense, given how you described yourself. You may already have guessed it, but I have never really considered myself very romantic, or focused on true love, soulmates and the like.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 03:25 AM
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Yes, I get that you ranked them from best to worst, and that #2 wouldn't be optimal. I just don't quite get why you would privilege virginity at the expense of max. sexual compatibility. Regardless of whether you get your first, second, third or whatever choice, that's what you do in general, as evidenced by your preferring #2 to #3. I suppose I can understand your logic if it boils down to some idea of perceived/predicted loyalty based on the other person's sexual history.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 03:00 AM
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Why would people think you sleep with film stars, and why don't you? Assuming "film stars" refers to women who are more beautiful than those you actually sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 02:46 AM
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Well, I'm a man too, and I guess I just don't agree with this possessive stuff. I definitely privilege sexual compatibility at the expense of any concerns about the woman's virginity status. Are you absolutely sure you prefer #2 over #3? Years of what you seem to consider boring sex, all because the thought of the woman having had sex with others freaks you out...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 02:37 AM
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I would never actually sleep with a guy under the age of 20 because a LOT of them lie about their age and I'm not risking that :( Ok, but that's different. That's not really about attraction. Though, you already said that men under 20 look like teenagers. That said, I get the impression that you're somewhat ambiguous about this. About the hair thing. A LOT of men COMPLETELY underestimate how hair loss impacts their sex-appeal. Maybe, but it seems to be a popular preference, just like height. Wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 01:18 AM
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But do you think everyone is doing that, as if following some kind of wicked scheme? You don't think it happens quite naturally/innocently, as a consequence of people and their preferences/priorities changing as they get older? Besides, what portion of women act this way, in your view? A clear majority? 50/50? Fewer?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 12:49 AM
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Interesting. Is it basically only hair that is your criterion when you're comparing fit guys? And are you absolutely against trying someone younger than 20?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 12:43 AM
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I didn't formulate it as clearly as I should have. Let me try again: In this scenario, to what extent does the woman deliberately exaggerate her sexual attraction towards the guy from the outset? Yeah, I didn't mean to excuse the woman. It's shitty to deceive. But I'm still curious about how many clues the guy had to go by.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 12:40 AM
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What would you highlight if you were to try to see it from these women's perspective, though? How about this: one person may make you/a woman react in one way, whereas another person may make you/a woman react in another way. Then there's the fact that people tend to change as they get older. I'm sure there are some suspect cases of calculating women who act more like how you think about it, but in those cases, shouldn't the guy be partly to blame too, for being naive? Of course, it depends on w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 12:33 AM
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Regarding 2., in the AF/BB scenario, how does the woman act? Does she fake being very sexually attracted to the guy, or is she lukewarm from the beginning? If the former, then ok, it's tricky. If the latter, then I'd be more inclined towards blaming the guy for being naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 12:22 AM
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I'm not in a position to refute your claim about the mid-30s men demographic, but what do you typically think of guys around your own age who actually are in great shape?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 12:09 AM
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Does your attitude differ, depending on whether you have a long-term/traditional or casual/sexual relationship in mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 12:06 AM
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I don't know how common most people think it is, but I think it's quite commmon. Probably very common. Many don't act on it...? Maybe, but who knows how many who act on it and never tell anyone? I'm sure some like the dynamic due to the taboo aspect, but really, doesn't good, old biology possibly explain more? Both men and women like youth (especially in terms of physical attraction)!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 12:01 AM
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Which main traits did those guys have in common? Be it physically or mentally.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 02:28 AM
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Isn't a common criticism that some guys are dishonest about their intentions? This makes me think that, all else being equal, being upright/quite direct is preferable, as long as it's not done in a silly way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 01:35 AM
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"Explicit" as in colourful and maybe detailed language or direct approach/communication? I'm questioning the suggestion that they are shamed for their sexuality as such. I think it is more about lack of attraction. It's possible to view someone as not an interesting sexual prospect, but without shaming them for being one of billions of other sexual beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 01:12 AM
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Are the men perceived as creeps because they express sexual interest, or mainly because of various other traits? If a guy who was deemed attractive showed sexual interest, he probably wouldn't have been seen as creepy, despite showing sexual interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 12:53 AM
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Has it become completely acceptable these days for women to be sluts and act openly slutty? I hope so. it's actually become socially unacceptable for men to act openly slutty themselves For men overall, or do you have select cases in mind which are not really representative? Also, do you think it is much more unacceptable now than it used to be? If so, when did it change?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 12:42 AM
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But if they manage to take advantage of you/screw you over, doesn't that imply that they were right about your being weak? In which case they didn't really mistake anything for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 12:27 AM
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What made him weird looking? And what made those other two guys good looking?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 10:41 PM
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1) What are the characteristics of someone who looks smart, but not pretty? 2) So, by "ugly, but sexy" you mean bad looks, but sexy personality? As opposed to a variant of the "Not pretty, but sexy" distinction that some people stress and which I guess makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 10:34 PM
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Ok. To sum up: If your experience is representative, then this is an example of women - more so than men - maintaining certain ideas about how women should be, which makes them feel pressured to be more concerned with their appearance. Do you think this is the trend, generally? Or do men have their ways of offsetting it, meaning they should take 50% or more of the blame?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 07:16 PM
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Okay... This makes me think it's not really about competition. Or, if it is, they approach it in a strange (self-defeating) way. It seems to be more about frustration, jealousy and trying to feel better about themselves, as you said. Surely, if you're in a competition, and you have identified something you consider a flaw in your competitor, you don't tell them "Hi, competitor! This is a flaw of yours. You should fix it.".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:43 PM
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Yes, it makes sense. However, one thing about the competitive women: If some woman really thinks another woman looks worse without make-up than with it, wouldn't it be in the first woman's interest to shut up about it and just let the other woman look bad? Who knows how accurate the woman's assessment about the other woman's appearance was, but in terms of internal consistency, why would she tell her that she looks worse? When she tells her, the other woman can immediately put some make-up on an…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:18 PM
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Do you think that's most other women's experience too? I guess women are more interested in/perceptive of make-up, so it could make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:02 PM
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How else can it be enforced? Private companies pay taxes, and that's not the only way in which companies can dance to the government's tune. I also thought about the example of prisoners, but that's more problematic, because who knows how many of those who have been jailed for silly reasons? Plus, they are in prison, i.e. punished. That said, I still kind of like this example. I'm sure your tax dollars do support many bad guys who actually have committed some serious crime, and whose lives in pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 12:27 AM
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in fact they're likely to look down on successful career women. Is that an attitude among men that transcends social class, in your view? However, they don't really appreciate housewives and non-career orieneted women either. Damn... Which of those two attitudes seems most widespread then?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 11:46 PM
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I still haven't gotten to the bottom of this issue, but it's often claimed - also here - that men's libido is higher than women's. If that's true, then that could account for some of the difference you have in mind. As to women paying more attention than men to personality, status, resources etc. when it comes to just getting turned on, I'm not convinced. Ok, women have reason to be more concerned about safety, so insofar as they focus more on personality, it's probably mainly due to that, to sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 11:30 PM
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Interesting take on it. I have always interpreted being intimidated as getting defensive, primarily due to thinking the other person is more knowledgeable, competent, maybe confident and so on. However, I guess it may make sense to interpret it more broadly, as you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 11:13 PM
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No specific numbers, just an open recruitment process, ok. How has that panned out so far? Have the supporters of affirmative action been satisfied with how it works? Because, I sense a legal loophole: "Oh, sure. We always have a very open recruitment process. Probably the most open recruitment process in history. We just happen to have hired only men in the last couple of decades...". Only for companies that take federal money, right. I can see the logic. Women are not forced to be with guys wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 10:39 PM
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Yes, I'm not saying I would personally prefer to have only men in a company. Nevertheless, how various hiring practices affect performance is one thing. Whether all businesses should be forced to hire based on certain guidelines is another question. It's possible for me to - if I were in your position - prefer ensuring that the man/woman ratio always is 50/50, but still not think that every other business should be forced to do that. Besides, when I replied to you, I primarily wanted to help und…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 02:11 PM
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I have sympathy for people who were wronged, 99.999999% of the time single mothers weren't no matter how much they martyr themselves. Have you ever come across anything that is attemptedly not anecdotal about this subject? Why people end up in those unfortunate situations has some bearing on my reaction to it, so it would be useful to know. Cunning/confused women exist, but so do careless/abusive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 12:53 AM
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If the person getting the job is qualified to do the job, what is the issue? Mind the topic of the post we're discussing. I think Barely-moral's point was that (assuming he is onto something) affirmative action artificially weakens men's position vis-a-vis women, which in turn affects how the latter perceive the former. Most of the rest of your comment is a strawman, but I will add that I agree that what Barely-moral said could be wrong, even though it seems somewhat plausible.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 12:24 AM
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Show me proof that “affirmative actions and gender quotas” are putting unqualified women in positions “that should go to men,” as you claimed. Did he say that unqualified women get the jobs? I don't remember everything he said, but his point seems to be that better qualified men are discriminated against, due to affirmative action. Not necessarily that the women who get the jobs are unqualified. I don't have any data on this either, btw, but considering what the purpose of affirmative action is,…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 11:08 PM
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Yeah, I've seen some of those. Of course there's a difference, but "ill" strikes me as hyperbolic. Something I'm curious about is whether some of the difference between the before/after photos has to do with the women generally feeling better/happier when wearing make-up. The expression in the no make-up photos is often quite different from the expression in the with make-up photos. Maybe it has to do with context. No make-up when doing something boring/everyday-like, and wearing make-up when ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 08:56 PM
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How would the men who wouldn't be allowed to have children with multiple women be selected? Increasing the tax burdens on men and women beyond a certain age who don't have children, hmmm... Are you sure that would be a better idea than going the opposite route, i.e. not using the government to incentivize people to reproduce? When there are such benefits, isn't there a higher likelihood that people who (maybe for good reason!) are on the fence - or even have a reluctant attitude - regarding havi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 01:01 PM
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You almost lured me into an interesting, more overarching, discussion, but for now: what would "curtailing some individual freedoms" mean in this context? Do you have something specific in mind? Maybe I misunderstood what you meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 02:53 AM
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Did you suspect the roommate of acting at all, or did he seem natural?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 11:29 PM
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Ok, there I basically got my answer. You hid the relevant detail under your "etc". Of course, "cognitive issues/impairment" is not necessarily easily defined, but maybe we shouldn't go down that rabbithole now.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 08:04 PM
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Right, but somehow you seem to exclude people with cognitive/discipline issues from the "undesirable genes" category. I'm not sure that makes sense, and that's why I replied to you in the first place. Is it given that a dwarf is more of an issue than some confused people who reproduce, despite not being willing/able to take care of their children? The category of confused people I have in mind consists of a motley crew, to put it mildly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 07:50 PM
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society spanning solutions that may or may not include curtailing some individual freedoms This seems a bit worrying. Which individual freedoms? Perhaps, like others in this discussion have suggested, there should rather be more individual freedom. Then, if the "problem" remained even after that, it should just be acknowledged as something natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 07:35 PM
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Affirmative action is a candidate. Then there's the following quote from Barely-moral, which touches upon something relevant: -Reform social security systems for single parents. If someone can't pay for the child that someone does not get help from the state. They have the obligation to pay for the child, if they can't they are punished and the child is taken away. However, the question is how efficient such measures would be in terms of actually stopping fools from reproducing. Btw, I'm not gun…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 07:25 PM
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Nature will indeed "take them out", but do you agree that that's just one part of the equation and that some of the social programs/political measures Barely-moral criticised amount to messing with nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 07:11 PM
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Perhaps "undesirable genes" covers more than you thought when you wrote that comment, in which case there's a chance /u/Barely-moral's suggested measures wouldn't be as bad as you first thought. While I don't like the idea of sexual socialism or what to call it either, nor do I like the thought of financially/intellectually unprepared people reproducing. However, I'm not sure quite how efficient Barely-moral's - or anyone else's - measures would be in terms of solving the latter kind of problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 06:56 PM
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Thank you, I didn't know about that subreddit. I like it already!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 06:00 PM
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Right, but who knows how representative those commenters are? Besides, I always get curious about how people like those commenters look themselves. Nevertheless, I'm of course not denying the impact of cosmetic products.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 05:52 PM
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Do you have any opinion about how attractive you are, compared to most other women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 05:23 PM
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Yeah, how much does the average woman really need to rely on the "power of makeup" to trigger the interest of most men who are not libido-challeged?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 05:18 PM
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I did go to a nerdier college if that makes any difference That may explain some of: most of them won't have the courage without the veil of speaking through a computer or phone
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 05:05 PM
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I can relate to your logic. I have drawn conclusions in the same way before - except that my conclusions concerned white, working-class men, not "workout buffs".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 05:00 PM
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How is a "typical ‘gym bro’"? Or rather, what makes them disgusting? Maybe you're thinking just as much about mentality as appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 04:43 PM
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"Weakness" as in lackluster dietary discipline, by any chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 04:37 PM
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"Ego and vanity"... What if they do it because they like feeling strong and the thought of being able to stand their ground, physically? Or if it's a product of doing some sport that they do for other reasons than getting muscular? Or if they do it for general health? Moreover, would you associate make-up with ego and vanity in the same way?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 04:20 PM
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I suppose most people in lawless circumstances would prefer to be allied with a strong rather than a pretty person, but are you saying that women, overall, find strength more sexually attractive than beauty? The other stuff (jawline, hair, symmetry, height, cathnal tilt lol) is just stupid fluff, like appreciating an art piece. They don’t at all cause deep carnal desire. I'm not convinced. I think they feel more "deep carnal desire" for a beautiful, but not particularly strong person than for so…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 04:13 PM
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Btw, would you say it's possible to use make-up in such a way that you don't look prettier, but do look more presentable/put together? The way you phrased it made me speculate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 01:26 PM
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Ok, so it's analogous to what some artists do, in a sense. That is, you do it because you like to explore it, regardless of other people's opinions. ...Unless it involves work! Is it just an uspoken thing at work, or have you seen something that makes you think it's an obligation?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 01:12 PM
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She doesn't care whether men like it, ok. Does she care whether women like it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:50 PM
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Others have mentioed this remark too, but they didn't suggest they've gotten it more often from men than from women. Do more men say it, in your experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:45 PM
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I'd like to refer to what /u/misiepatysie said about this: as opposed to things like wearing make-up or working out, "Overeating and being fat do not require effort."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:41 PM
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I'm not sure who you have in mind, but I imagine those women have enough men who are interested in them. That said, your insinuation could be true. Perhaps some of those muscular women are strong personalities who don't care much about other people's opinions. Besides, being fit and muscular is good on its own - beyond just the visual concerns. I don't know how make-up compares in that respect, though I have read that some products contain stuff that's beneficial to the skin in the same way suns…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:34 PM
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I guess your men's hair analogy is partly true, but with hair, there's also the practicality aspect. Having short rather than long hair entails less hassle. On the other hand, wearing make-up entails more hassle than not doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:27 PM
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What do you mean by "for their own enjoyment"? Would they wear it on most days if they were to spend some weeks or whatever alone somewhere? If you think so, then it's clear what you mean. If not, it's less clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:18 PM
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If some men and some women were to be home alone for some days, knowing no one is likely to visit them, I hope the men at the very least would be more likely to brush their teeth than the women would be to wear make-up, but you never know. If you don't brush your teeth or shower, you'll have hygiene issues. I doubt there are any similar kind of negatives associated with not wearing make-up. As to beards, those can itch and mess up eating, but yeah, I'm sure many style/grow their beard partly dep…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:11 PM
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Before stepping foot into the workforce, women who choose to opt out of conventional beauty and grooming regiments are immediately at a disadvantage. One would think that that is also a question of field of work. The same is not expected of a philosopher as of a model or TV host. "'Physically attractive individuals are more likely to be interviewed for jobs and hired, they are more likely to advance rapidly in their careers through frequent promotions, and they earn higher wages than unattractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 07:03 PM
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that women and younger generations were more likely to become a victim of appearance-based discrimination So, when it comes to the younger generation, men are among the "victims" too?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 06:54 PM
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What was her job? I'm curious about whether there at least were hints of logic to the employer's decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 06:49 PM
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Ok, after reading the comment again, I think it's not very likely that you denied him sex and acted in a hostile way towards him. I guess his behaviour can be explained by more superficial things. Your reference to your "inadequacy" and hating yourself made me not rule out the possibility that you somehow alienated him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 06:19 PM
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I'll read your comment again and see if I agree with your reaction to my question. Yesterday, I clearly thought the question made sense. One moment...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 06:11 PM
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I guess so, but to what extent? Let's say you're right, and that men's views are irrelevant to women's make-up practices. Do most women also wear make-up for themselves to such an extent that - just like in the case of men's opinions - they don't care about how society overall reacts either?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 05:38 PM
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they "prefer" conforming with a society that will punish them if they don't. Those who refuse to conform to these social standards, do you think they generally will be punished most often by men or women? Or would you say the inclination towards dealing out this kind of punishment is quite evenly distributed between the genders?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 05:26 PM
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Also we repeatedly see men who want to characterise women as lying seductresses saying they can't even tell when women are wearing makeup. Those men must be foolish. When's the last time you came across one such example? there are very overt and obvious makeup looks that men say they don't like and there are always women consistently wearing those looks I see no reason to object to that. Anyway, what do you think motivates women to wear make-up, usually? Is it because it's fun? Is it because it …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 05:06 PM
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Ok, but have you seen some photos of the kind I mentioned? Have you noticed the same, or have I just not looked at enough photos? One thought I've had is that most of those women prefer how they look with make-up, which - quite predictably - makes them look happier when they are wearing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 04:45 PM
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Interesting. Do you think it could have something to do with your mood too? For instance, sometimes when I come across "with and without make-up" pics of women, they almost always look happier in the photo where they are wearing make-up. Do you think this applies to you? If so, then that could explain some of the difference. If you are and seem happier/bubblier with make-up, that could have a ripple effect, I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 04:22 PM
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Did he seem to say it in an innocent and spontaneous or deliberate and mean way? If he said it every time, I wonder whether it was the latter. Also, you said people are less pleasant to you when you don't wear make-up. How much less pleasant?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 03:02 PM
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Ohh, okay. Then I guess the same applies to the "i did things" part too. That your attitude was more cavalier/careless, rather than more honest or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 03:53 AM
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Maybe it's a minority, but I don't think it's all about virtue signaling. People have different preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 03:21 AM
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Heavy vs. light/no, sure... What about average amount vs. nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 03:18 AM
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You could be onto something. I haven't surveyed all women. However, how often have a guy's shoes been among your main criterions when determining how attractive he is?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 03:15 AM
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That is, men don't notice make-up vs. no make-up or don't notice the difference between different styles?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 02:59 AM
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The effort, yes... There are obese men around. Besides, even men who aren't obese will be interested in some cases. On top of that, there are those who probably just don't care about men's - or anyone else's - opinion at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 02:48 AM
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There’s probably data to confirm this (did anyone watch that season of Survivor where it was all women?) Survivor is a TV show. Wouldn't you need data from a similar context (only women), but where there were no cameras, so that the women wouldn't be influenced by thoughts like "How will this look on TV?"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 02:34 AM
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Have men asked you that about as often as women have?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 02:28 AM
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i did things with him and had conversations with him i'd never have with a potential boyfriend What? Does that say something about your fundamental attitude towards potential boyfriends? I.e. that you hesitate being honest, because you expect them not to be able to handle it? What if you did have those conversations with a potential boyfriend, and it worked well? You'd be off to a very promising start. If, on the other hand, the guy couldn't handle it, then he'd filter himself out and you wouldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 02:09 AM
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Careful what you wish for. Evening's still young...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 01:00 AM
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How they compliment random women's looks online (gonewild subs for example) Maybe it's not as random as it seems in all cases. Who knows what their rapport is? And if it is random, so what? It's sharing an opinion, giving a compliment. A quite common thing. When you say something like "nicely done!" to someone who impresses you, is it necessarily because you want something in return? Besides, men do not have a monopoly on this kind of behaviour (though, in the case of gonewild subs, I'm sure man…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 12:35 AM
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I guess, in a way, you’re right in that there are other reasons to live. I'm glad I saw this sentence, because I was about to ask you something like: how many cases of depression are caused by childlessness? Who's to say some person doesn't find great joy in reading philosophy, following world events, developing one's mind etc.? I have been speculating about the all-pervasive drive towards genetic reproduction for years, and I still haven't gotten to the bottom of it. I guess my fundamental atti…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 11:39 PM
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Would you say there was unambiguous, mutual physical attraction between you initially?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 11:20 PM
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Well, in my view, your wife alienated you by not showing affection/respect, so, in that sense, she had it coming. That said, maybe you did obsess about making things work. Meanwhile, she could have filed for divorce too, but didn't! I imagine she was not satisfied with the situation either...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 10:09 PM
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My stats buddy is very satisfied with your answer, but he has a follow-up: how many months/years of lacking affection/respect passed before your mind started wandering in the direction of "Hmm, divorce...?"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 06:51 PM
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I guess you were tongue-in-cheek there, but I'm not sure how much, so: did you or did you not mean to imply that it's better for the children when the woman cheats than when the man cheats? Basically, did you mean to counter what you deem 100% nonsense with 100% nonsense or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:11 PM
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What motivated you to cheat? Asking for my data-peddling pal down at the statistics office.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 03:58 PM
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Oh, yes, it makes sense when thinking in terms of casual vs. relationships. Or, not necessarily. Their expectations may still not make sense (body and personality are not the same thing. Granted, insofar as a guy - or woman! - has sex with a person and doesn't want anyone to know about it, that's quite cowardly, in my opinion), but your explanation makes sense, I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 03:51 PM
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I couldn’t help but feel like it was my own inadequacy that had driven him away. Did you drive him away (by acting hostile, denying him sex etc.)? Or was his motive something more trivial?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 03:38 PM
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Matching generally is interesting, but insofar as casual sex is the topic, I suppose it makes sense to focus especially on looks, the existence of "demisexuals" and the like notwithstanding. I have become skeptical of using the term "average" when talking about this subject, since, apparently, the demand for an average woman may be significantly higher than the demand for an average man, depending on who to believe. Hence my attempt at thinking in terms of opposite-gender equivalents. Anyway, I …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 12:29 PM
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Right, but do you have any impression of whether there is any tendency? Whether location or self-assessment usually is the main issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 11:47 AM
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Probably a reference to one of the popular answers given to people who ask others about past sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 03:45 AM
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How delusional exactly is it, though? Will women mostly give their male equivalent (insofar as such equivalents can even be determined) a chance? If they do, then okay. If they don't, is it because women are, overall, more impressive and attractive, or because of the behaviour of men? Perhaps there are some differences, depending on whether the focus is online dating or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 12:07 AM
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Would you mind elaborating on this? In what ways are you more impressive? And is your point that women disregard all of your other qualities because they have a certain height preference?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 12:01 AM
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Interesting... That was not what I expected after I saw the photo on your profile (if it's of you). That said, I was largely ignorant about women's height preferences until I started coming across discussions like this some years ago. Or, I guess I knew that "tall = good", but I had no idea about the extent of it. Do you have any impression of how universal it is? Is it more prominent in the US, UK or wherever than in most other countries?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 07:58 PM
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Women that act high maintenance/diva-ish get flowers and surprises. But from what kind of guys? I imagine many guys will lose interest as the signs of high maintenance (assuming we have the same thing in mind here) start piling up. So I'm wondering whether it's mainly subservient guys who gravitate towards high maintenance women. Why would strong/self-respecting men sign up for that kind of hassle? I'm speculating, of course, but do you agree that my perspective is somewhat plausible?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 06:54 PM
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I take for granted that you think you're not doing well enough in terms of casual sex - not that you aren't able to attract any women for such purposes, so: how many women (who have in some way indicated casual sex interest) have you rejected/not encouraged? Is there a chance that any of those women would have the same frustrations about you and others as you have about women who are not interested in you in the way you'd prefer them to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 06:21 PM
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And I meant he'd fake that he WANTED a ltr until be got sex Sure, but how long he'd have to maintain the facade depends on the woman in question. Maybe three days, maybe a week, maybe months, whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 09:56 PM
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Ok, but I suppose the following summarizes your main outlook: Sure I like boys with pretty faces and decent bodies but in the end if a guy has some chub or awkward features but amazing dick who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 09:30 PM
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Ok, was flirty texting all you had in mind he'd do? I thought you suggested he'd fake committing long-term, then bang her, then leave her. How much (of what he would consider) hassle he'd have to deal with before banging her depends on the character of the woman, and who knows how she would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 09:26 PM
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Wait a minute... So you'd pick a guy who isn't handsome and isn't fit but have an amazing dick instead of a guy who is fit and handsome, but whose dick isn't amazing? Or would "isn't amazing" have to be replaced by something like "is slightly below average" for there to be a real decision to make?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 09:20 PM
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No limiting oneself to one person, right... Which is partly why I question whether the guy in your scenario would obsess about that girl like you suggested.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 09:10 PM
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Ok. Now I have started wondering whether you would really prefer no attention over your aforementioned shit show. However, perhaps your answer differs, depending on whether the context is romantic/sexual or platonic/everyday life. That is, would you be fine with no romantic attention overall, but no platonic/"bonus attention" in your everyday life, brought about by your good looks, would be tougher to deal with?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 09:05 PM
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Wouldn't he rather just find another person he finds about equally attractive and forget about the first person, to avoid the hassle?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 09:00 PM
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But would you necessarily look not put together if you didn't do anything beyond not looking crazy/unkempt?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 08:55 PM
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Yes, stop it right now. It's very taboo!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 08:52 PM
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Have you checked whether it makes any difference whether you do nothing at all with your appearance? Would you also with random/plain clothes, no make-up, no anything get a lot of uwanted attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 08:30 PM
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That you are punching down, ok. Initially, I read it as suggesting the opposite. As to your last sentence, I suppose that explains some of the cases where guys react with suspicion to your direct approach then.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 08:24 PM
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I guess I should answer too. Not just interrogate all the time. I haven't gotten crazy amounts of attention, but some - both from people I liked and people I liked less. I definitely would not have chosen the "no attention" alternative. The negative attention of the "some good, some bad" alternative would have to be real bad for me to have chosen no attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:59 PM
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So yea, I’d take having very few or even no matches over this shit show. And there you answered the question I was planning to ask. I think you are the first person I see to prioritize that way. Granted, the others I have asked didn't have rape as part of their equation. Would choosing no (positive nor negative) attention instead of your shit show be an easy call to make? Has your situation made you experiment a lot with your appearance, so as to try not to attract certain people?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:50 PM
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Ok, I understand. And as I read it again now, I see the nuance that went over my head in your original comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:29 PM
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Your comment seems to imply that your answer is about 50/50, not that men complain more. Oh wait, are you saying that men getting "Stacy" is more of a pipedream than women getting "Chad", and that this explains why men (supposedly) complain more?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 06:59 PM
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This is quite interesting. Are you and your friends, who have experienced this, often approached by guys...? If not, maybe it's just about attraction, and your target selection. However, if you are often approached, then it's more puzzling.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 06:53 PM
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Could it be approx. equal in total, but about different things? Men lamenting women not considering them (usually physically?) attractive enough to be given a chance in the first place, and women lamenting men wanting to sleep with them, but refusing to commit long-term? Then there's the more universal "Those I like, don't like me. Those who like me, I don't like".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 06:39 PM
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Really? Men usually react skeptically when approached directly? Do you base this on your personal experience, or did you literally mean "...we're..."? Anyway, what do those guys typically say?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 06:27 PM
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some guys will gladly sleep with a woman who has a demonstrated hatred for him. I think I'd be able to do that. Much rather that than sleeping with someone who didn't really find me sexually attractive. I'm not sure how often this kind of thing happens. How about you? Would you absolutely not sleep with someone who you were very physically attracted to, and who wanted to sleep with you - despite, for some reason, having demonstrated hatred for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 06:14 PM
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How bad would the unwanted attention have to get before you'd choose the second alternative? I.e., how much of the bad would you be able to cope with in order to being able to experience the good at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 06:01 PM
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Just to clarify: you'd go for the first alternative, insofar as at least some of the people you'd be able to attract were potential partners of yours? Anyway, if alternative one didn't include any unwanted attention, then there wouldn't be much of a dilemma in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 05:45 PM
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Yes, it depends on what the question is. Is it "Does a deviant like me? And is this person's assessment sound?", or "Do most admirable people like me, and do their opinions make sense?". I have to admit I'm not perfectly comfortable with my own argument, though, because relying on majority opinion can be risky business too. Nonetheless, it's worthwhile asking the questions!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 05:39 PM
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You too mentioned some good points, but it would be interesting to also hear your answer to the question I asked /u/Mimoxs above.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 05:17 PM
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You brought up some good points, but nonetheless: would you prefer being able to 1) attract some people you like and some people you dislike (so, some wanted and some unwanted attention), or 2) not being able to attract anyone (no wanted attention, nor any unwanted attention)?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 05:14 PM
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Does your outlook by any chance suggest something about your social environment? That is, do you think your observation applies to men generally, or only to a certain type?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 05:08 PM
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Okay, so you don't see him as some kind of unique guy, the equivalent of which you'll likely never get with again.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 05:03 PM
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In one sense, you're right. In another sense, maybe not so much. Yes, if some generally unimpressive person manages to attract someone who in many ways are superior, then the former has succeeded, and any spectator's "concern" can be said to be irrelevant. Simultaneously, if 99 people categorize some composition as an uninteresting pop song, while one person thinks it's a piece of high-quality art, then, yes, the jury is technically out, but maybe the 99% were onto something. Btw, you mentioned …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 04:54 PM
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What did you not like about her natural face?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 04:36 PM
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He became enraged and said no one will love me as he did and I'll get in relationship with some brute who will beat me daily. ... He wasn't a bad guy btw Hmmm...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 04:32 PM
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Well, in general, first of all. The total package. Next, I guess it could be interesting to hear about the physical aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 04:26 PM
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That is, you think someone better looking than that person would be less likely to cheat in such a situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 04:24 PM
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How does that guy compare to most other guys you have met? Either way, not taking him back was probably a good decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 04:15 PM
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In those cases, what do you think the main reason for the lack of viable options is? One alternative is that there simply are no decent men around. So, a problem easily solved by moving somewhere else? Another alternative is that these women's self-assessment is off to some extent, and that they neglect that perhaps the better men have already been taken by women who themselves are better than the women who struggle to find viable options.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 03:57 PM
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