TheRedArchive

~ archived since 2018 ~

summonblood Archive

View 17 posts and 643 comments by summonblood on TheRedPill subreddit and various other subreddits related to The Red Pill community.
Search in:
In subreddits:
More
Filter by year/month:
Upvotes Title Category Author Subreddit Date (UTC)
115

Social Issuessummonblood/r/MensRights28/05/19 02:34 PM
49

Social Issuessummonblood/r/MensRights01/03/19 05:09 PM
36

Legal Rightssummonblood/r/MensRights01/06/19 10:39 AM
34

Social Issuessummonblood/r/MensRights12/03/19 09:09 AM
34

Marriage/Childrensummonblood/r/MensRights01/12/18 04:10 PM
28

Feminismsummonblood/r/MensRights13/01/19 10:10 PM
24

Generalsummonblood/r/MensRights09/02/19 03:21 PM
24

Legal Rightssummonblood/r/MensRights22/12/18 01:18 AM
24

Generalsummonblood/r/MensRights06/12/18 09:34 PM
14

Activism/Supportsummonblood/r/MensRights08/04/20 08:19 AM
13

Edu./Occu.summonblood/r/MensRights13/03/18 05:09 PM
12

Social Issuessummonblood/r/MensRights01/05/19 02:09 PM
11

Social Issuessummonblood/r/MensRights27/11/18 02:17 AM
10

Generalsummonblood/r/MensRights28/02/19 11:04 PM
9

Social Issuessummonblood/r/MensRights03/10/19 07:28 AM
4

Marriage/Childrensummonblood/r/MensRights03/12/18 10:33 PM
1

summonblood/r/MensRights05/01/19 11:10 PM
Upvotes Comment on Subreddit Date (UTC)
2

You’re damn right I’m afraid of commitment - not interested in my kids having to grow up in a divorced home.
/r/MensRights06/04/20 11:39 PM
1

The irony is that as women make protected spaces that exclude men, men will find new avenues & innovate and succeed there. Stay one step ahead boys. Create our own futures.
/r/MensRights06/04/20 11:31 PM
2

I mean - this is basically the concept behind fraternities. Brotherhood is your rock, not women.
/r/seduction06/04/20 10:38 PM
1

Meh, I think the Conrad Roy case isn’t quite the same. She supported his decision, not the cause of it.
/r/MensRights23/11/19 03:28 AM
1

the way we are so desperate to not be seen as victims that we become and stay victims in an attempt to be “strong”. Well I think this just stems from the mentality of men wanting also to be seen as stable, dependable, persistent, and fearless because these are admirable traits of leaders. We admire people who can remain calm in the storm, perform under pressure, and be keep going when everything else seems to be going to shit. Think about the motivational quote: “Courage isn’t about not feeling …
/r/MensRights22/11/19 01:40 AM
4

Oh my god, I’m reading the study now too... They had two groups come up with these traits, which were small groups of 4, to determine dominant masculine traits in the US. So 8 people basically determined this. And one of them was a Canadian-Haitian woman, who’s not American nor did they include a similar man. They had one Asian American male as well, but not Asian female? And what’s surprising is that they prefaced this with the ‘dominant’ culture, that being upper, middle class American Caucasi…
/r/MensRights21/11/19 07:46 PM
2

Wow this was incredibly insightful. Can you share with me the sources? I would love to read further into this.
/r/MensRights21/11/19 01:29 PM
2

I have stumbled upon your pair because I just joined this sub and needed to engage because I resonate so much with what you said. Sorry this turned out longer than I anticipated. Thought your point about feminism used to be about women’s liberation and is now more about women’s advance is so poignant. I’m gonna steal this! You basically described my entire journey as well, I just, as far as I know as of now, not bi nor part of the LGBT community, but I’m from California, have Lesbian and bi aunt…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/19 01:26 PM
0

Just joined this sub, so saw this pretty late. But I think a big reason this bread-winner mentality easily happens is men tend to marry younger women and so making as much money is more likely & women tend to prefer men older men so the men will likely make more money than them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/19 12:07 PM
1

Could you define toxic masculinity for me?
/r/MensRights21/11/19 11:49 AM
2

I feel like at this point “toxic masculinity” has just become a straw man. Like it’s a caricature of exaggerated Hollywood examples of toxic masculinity.
/r/MensRights21/11/19 11:49 AM
4

I mean there’s a whole team of guys who have been pushing for this for a full decade and have been the ones lobbying for it. I doubt they’ll be considering this, because a reason Trump would make this move is to appease certain voters. I have a feeling there will be a point made intentionally not to include a female on the board.
/r/MensRights21/11/19 11:33 AM
1

Yes, selling drugs is illegal, bullying is not. Also, she didn’t bully him into suicide. He was suicidal long before they met (4 attempts), was already getting psychiatric help, and was suicidal entire time they were dating. Basically she just supported and helped him with what he wanted.
/r/MensRights20/11/19 08:06 PM
1

Exactly, I saw the HBO documentary. The Conrad & Michelle situation is so iffy on her guilt imo
/r/MensRights20/11/19 07:58 PM
1

I don’t know the story of the first guy, but I watched the HBO documentary, “I Love You, Now Die” which is about Conrad Roy & Michelle Carter The headline doesn’t actually showcase much of the nuance of their story. 1st, She was 17-yo at the time. 2nd, Conrad had already been planning multiple times for suicide for a long time and even before meeting her. He had 4 previous attempts. He was on meds and would get cognitive behavior therapy regularly, and went even the week before he died. He talke…
/r/MensRights20/11/19 07:50 PM
3

Bro don’t even worry, they are fronting. All the guys I know who pull the most girls are fun charismatic short dudes. I’m 6’3 and my buddy is 5’8. Girls are more open initially to me when I approach and I get noticed more, but once he starts getting them in conversation, I lose to him every time. This guy pulls way more often than I do. Confidence + humor > height. You can do something about the former.
/r/PussyPassDenied17/11/19 03:38 AM
0

Girls put on makeup, guys put on confidence
/r/PussyPassDenied17/11/19 03:30 AM
2

Highly doubt China & Russia are leading in the tech race - they over play their capabilities whereas US tech companies try to underplay. There’s a much healthier tech hub in the US. While there may be more diversity quotas in big companies, men are more likely to create startups which is the lifeblood of tech advancement
/r/MensRights14/11/19 04:34 AM
2

This is just my two cents: but I truly believe that male suicide is going to the one thing that gets Men’s Rights to be taken seriously and shouldn’t try to muddle the message with too many things. Suicide as the consequence of male pain with have all the empathy and no one can say suicide isn’t a big deal, like many of the other issues. I think if we’re going to bring up other male issues, it should be all related to how it leads to suicide. Things that cause serious long-term anxiety, depressi…
/r/MensRights07/11/19 12:14 AM
1

You can just select a girls ticket. Doubt they’ll say anything, but you can always just say you bought it for a friend or if you’re extra worried put your sister or moms name and say they couldn’t go.
/r/MensRights04/11/19 04:22 PM
1

It’s called framing the conversation. Let’s them control what’s being talked about for their agenda
/r/MensRights31/10/19 03:40 PM
2

I think one of the core issues that most people don’t really realize is acknowledging the struggles of men just in general. And when it comes to struggles men face, they are usually talked about from the female perspective. You’ll start to notice that women’s issues & shortcomings are men’s & societies fault, men’s issues and shortcomings are men’s fault. Whenever there’s offered solutions for men, pay attention to whether it’s about how to help men or whether it’s criticizing men for not being …
/r/MensRights31/10/19 02:11 PM
2

It’s very similar to sales. Cold-calling is a bitch. If all you think about is hitting quota, you’ll lose steam. But if you focus on getting good and dissecting and analyzing and testing your methods and treat it more like an experiment and gathering data, then you’re ego is no longer attached to the results. You’re just analyzing and looking how to improve. You learn the most from failures. Once you get to that mindset, it’s much easier when you get rejected.
/r/seduction30/10/19 06:45 AM
10

Something that I learned from simple pickup long ago was that the best thing to say in response to “I have a bf” is: “(Casual) That’s fine, but you probably have cute friends that are cool too.” Girls with bfs still can determine value and if you impress her, she’ll want to introduce you to her friends.
/r/seduction29/10/19 09:35 AM
1

I mean, the thing that will always be unfair for women in the sense that men will never have to deal with, is pregnancy and birth. TBH this is honestly the single thing that really makes this whole push towards equality (from feminists) really complicated. They want to change the perception that women are independent and not helpless, but pregnancy will never not make women not helpless during this period of time. But with this drawback comes a lot of privileges that they aren’t willing to give …
/r/MensRights25/10/19 04:02 PM
5

“Ma’m were you aroused while he was raping you? If a women feels aroused and becomes significantly wet, then this raises questions about whether or not you are a victim.” Feminists are incredulous about questions like, what was she wearing/she was wet...yet flip the narrative..
/r/MensRights24/10/19 11:55 PM
15

100%, have had to learn this lesson the hard way many times. Only share negative emotions sparingly and not until you’re official. Girls are always looking for red flags and red flags are always expression of negative emotions. Rely on your close friends (guys or girls), family, or therapy/psychiatry for that. Girls only want your emotions when it benefits them in understanding how you’ll react to their actions/behaviors. They’ll push your buttons to test your confidence, reliance, and how much …
/r/MensRights21/10/19 08:46 PM
2

Same. I’ve tried the angle of, if consensual sex doesn’t legally require women to become a mother, why does consensual sex require men to become a father? You can’t argue, if you didn’t want to have a baby don’t have sex for one gender and not the other. Otherwise it’s discrimination on the basis of gender.
/r/MensRights15/10/19 12:58 AM
1

I do love my aged cheese
/r/MensRights14/10/19 11:27 PM
1

Okay, let's get into it.. ---Women I support the legalization of abortion. I believe that a woman should have complete control over medical procedures that affect her body and should make the sole decision on abortion because of the mental, physical, and social, life-changing consequences of going through pregnancy and birth. I also believe that should she choose to give birth to the baby, she gets to decide whether she opts out of parenthood by giving it up for adoption or agrees to becoming a …
/r/MensRights12/10/19 12:12 AM
1

Are you in favor of prohibiting abortions? Because that's the only way this argument would work.
/r/MensRights11/10/19 10:34 PM
1

Yeah, it’s like men, once they ejaculate lose ownership over their sperm, but then are held responsible if a baby is made from their sperm. Consent for sex =/= consent for parenthood. If women can opt out of parenthood - so should men.
/r/MensRights11/10/19 05:31 PM
1

Wait, I thought it was a Netflix ad?
/r/MensRights07/10/19 05:13 PM
0

Link?
/r/MensRights07/10/19 05:00 PM
2

Make men work in very dangerous yet necessary jobs women would not do Treat men like cash/productivity cows
/r/MensRights07/10/19 12:07 AM
3

Something I’ve also been thinking about, using ‘toxicity’ for specific behaviors also ignores the situational benefits of so called ‘toxic masculinity’. For example: people often point out the phrase, ‘man up’ as being toxic. However, man up, when used properly, is actually an in-the-moment challenge to push through self-doubts, fear, or through something difficult. It can be a quick phrase that a coach or mentor can use to inspire action. Almost like a drill sergeant yelling in your face. Somet…
/r/MensRights03/10/19 07:42 AM
1

Well we should be divorcing the word. Now the discussion becomes about what the good parts of masculinity are. Now men don’t need to be on the defensive, but rather decide for ourselves what kind of man we want to be.
/r/MensRights03/10/19 07:40 AM
1

I will say that the UK is much more finance driven than tech driven. But what's really cool right now that the UK is leading the world in is FinTech companies. You guys are leading the way for Challenger banks to out-innovate the stagnant banking industry. I will say, it's hard to get a lot of interest for engineers if you don't have lots of jobs for engineers. In the US, we have a lot of tech companies.
/r/MensRights02/10/19 08:44 PM
2

Same, something really interesting is that misdiagnosing ADHD actually has more to do with how old the child is. If they are on the younger side for the birthday cutoff, they have a higher likelihood of being misdiagnosed.
/r/MensRights02/10/19 08:38 PM
1

Thanks!
/r/MensRights02/10/19 05:42 AM
6

Interesting, happen to have a link to that?
/r/MensRights01/10/19 10:36 PM
13

What’s rather interesting is that by taking this approach, it disempowers women from taking personal action. It further promotes the idea that women cant have their problems solved unless society at large steps in to solve it for them. This would imply that women need community support before taking action, which is counter to feminist narratives about personal empowerment and independence. I also find it rather ironic that current feminist rhetoric about tackling men’s issues advocates increase…
/r/MensRights01/10/19 10:34 PM
2

Same - if anything I think it’s, men have been socialized that their problems are less important than women and children’s problems, so they are less likely to reach out.
/r/MensRights01/10/19 02:20 AM
5

Women attempt suicide 3x more than men and talk about their feelings a lot. How do we know men’s attempted suicide numbers won’t increase to match women’s by opening up more? We know men will choose more fatal options, so who’s to say this won’t increase suicides among men?
/r/MensRights01/10/19 01:40 AM
2

I’ve stated taking a different approach when engaging with feminists. I’ve found that telling them stats about Men’s issues isn’t going to work. Something that feminism right now is trying to tackle is getting guys to open up about their feelings. They want that right? Well the best way to go about this is to show how the ways in which men are communicating is showing their feelings in an indirect way. I’ve tried incorporating into my language more feeling words and point out when feminist try t…
/r/MensRights30/09/19 05:51 PM
2

I swear these people have never been to cities before.
/r/MensRights29/09/19 01:54 AM
5

Haha exactly, feminist AI looking for things it’s feminist creators don’t like determines critics of feminism to be bad. 🙄
/r/MensRights26/09/19 07:07 PM
3

I think a great analogy here is comparing feminism to the founding fathers belief in equality. They had the right belief, but didn’t apply that belief to everyone. All men are created equal seemed to skip over people who weren’t land-owning white males.
/r/MensRights26/09/19 06:54 PM
1

Here’s the best way that I can explain it. It’s not a perfect analogy but captures the same logic. All men are created equal with certain unalienable rights is from the declaration of independence. This belief became the foundation upon which our entire government was built and is a huge part of our culture. However, we know that those rights that they talked about didn’t apply to everyone at the time. In fact, it was just for landowning white males. Not even all white males got the vote until 8…
/r/MensRights26/09/19 06:36 PM
8

Well the whole point of definitions is about nit-picking. Ultimately feminism is about equality for women. Just for women. It’s not equality for men. But Gn.
/r/MensRights26/09/19 11:02 AM
6

https://reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/d9fnzn/_/f1hhad3/?context=1
/r/MensRights26/09/19 10:56 AM
1

Exactly - this is just belief in romanticism
/r/MensRights26/09/19 10:48 AM
2

Just FYI, coercion actually does include physical force: “the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats”
/r/MensRights26/09/19 10:37 AM
5

https://reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/d9fnzn/_/f1hdjfk/?context=1
/r/MensRights26/09/19 10:32 AM
11

I agree, but here’s the thing. He still raised him. Not everyone has to like their Dad, but what this poster is saying is that if he’s not going to acknowledge him as his Dad legally, then he’s not going to be a father to him. He can be his friend and not cut him out of his life, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with his reasoning. —— This is why DNA testing at birth should be mandatory.
/r/MensRights26/09/19 10:31 AM
8

1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes 2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests Hmmm, so feminism is about equality of the sexes, but isn’t also organized activity on behalf of men’s rights and interests? That definition itself again shows that helping men for that belief in equality is not part of feminism.
/r/MensRights26/09/19 10:24 AM
161

Didn’t you know? They know everything about being a man and they know that there is no sexism against men. Because they have spent a lot of time learning about male issues and after spending a lot of time learning about it discovered there are no issues! Reminds me of that meme, “We’ve investigated ourselves and have determined we have done no wrong-doing.”
/r/MensRights26/09/19 10:17 AM
7

I’m referring to my other comment
/r/MensRights26/09/19 10:12 AM
21

Dispute my comment - you won’t
/r/MensRights26/09/19 10:07 AM
6

Hey you don’t need to try to delegitimize the definition because the definition this person used it being an advocate for women’s rights, nothing to do with men’s rights. And the fact that they just defended its legitimacy, only validates our criticism.
/r/MensRights26/09/19 10:03 AM
17

Feminism: “The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.” This definition is arguing for women’s rights using the argument of equality. If women have a right that men don’t have, you won’t be an advocate for men to have access to that right because it has nothing to do with women by that definition. By definition, you are not an advocate for men’s rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes. Maybe if the definition was “The advocacy of women’s & men’s rights on…
/r/MensRights26/09/19 09:45 AM
1

People doubt fatherhood more than they doubt motherhood. As a man, having your children take your last name tells the world you are there father. People will be more suspicious of men so having that is your proof in a sense.
/r/MensRights25/09/19 09:01 PM
16

They basically trying to port female.exe to run on a Male-intosh.
/r/MensRights25/09/19 08:55 PM
1

So you’re referencing technology and being familiar with a technology and using it even though there might be new stuff. There’s going to be technology that our generation doesn’t understand 50 years from now, and making fun of older generations is just going to look stupid when we try to pay with credit card and that’s like trying to pay with check. It seems like you don’t fully understand what traditions are and it’s way more simple than you think. If Christmas is important to you, then tradit…
/r/MensRights20/09/19 04:29 PM
1

This is entirely my point. There are no traditions that have no purpose. I also don’t think you know what traditions are: they are simply a transmission of customs or beliefs that are passed from generation to generation. Is celebrating Christmas the only way to celebrate the birth of Jesus? Or is just the established way in which our culture has traditional celebrated it? Is it the only way to join together as a family? No there are millions of ways. So why do you celebrate those things in that…
/r/MensRights19/09/19 07:16 PM
1

But why that specific holiday at that specific time? Why celebrate it in that specific way? Why do we light up a tree every year? Why sing these kinds of songs during this time. Why this guy with a sleigh and reindeer? You do that because “it’s the done thing”. Just because people forget why we have traditions, doesn’t make them entirely invalid. And all those benefits you mentioned came about because everyone does that thing because it’s tradition, so we made it as part of our laws. Companies d…
/r/MensRights19/09/19 05:55 PM
1

So I guess we should stop celebrating holidays?
/r/MensRights18/09/19 10:53 PM
1

Yes, it’s called military tradition. If you want to retain your military tradition and continue to lead the way in military innovation, you kind of have to keep recruiting people. You know how in other countries almost every able-bodied man must serve a few years in the military? Well I personally am not a military kind of guy so I am so very thankful that there are plenty of volunteers to ensure that I can just focus on my own life.
/r/MensRights17/09/19 08:17 PM
8

Oh I’m sure you’re read into all of the classified meetings. I’m sure the entire Cold War was entirely the US’s fault yeah?
/r/MensRights17/09/19 10:43 AM
6

We praise army heroes because without the US, the world could have easily become dominated by Fascism & Communism. Because the US become the central global power after the fall of the USSR, the global maritime economy essentially operates under the protection of the US Navy. Do you know how costly it would be for the rest of the world to operate and develop their own merchant fleets to protect their trade? Quite a lot. So countries essentially pay for that protection. Asking for NATO allies to h…
/r/MensRights17/09/19 09:11 AM
4

No, I’m saying that, like police officers, they go out and proactively tackle problems that could be a threat to our safety. I mean why else do we have military bases all around the world? We don’t want problems getting anywhere close to home. I’m pointing out that what she is likely referring to (in her mind) are unjustified wars and use of military a action for political gain. While I sincerely hope our brave soldiers are not used in such a way, in the game of politics, corruption and abuse of…
/r/MensRights17/09/19 09:01 AM
93

Something that came to mind after reading your post: Sure she says this, but she doesn’t seem to recognize one core thing: What is the first purpose of the military? To protect your country. What she’s critiquing is what happens when your country is well protected, how can that military be used further to benefit your citizens if there is no imminent threat? In a similar vein - if no one is calling 9-11 for police help, what should you have your cops do? Should they just sit in their offices wai…
/r/MensRights17/09/19 05:43 AM
1

This is a great analysis on my own similar difficulties in tackling the issues with 3rd wave feminism. Just for those that are unfamiliar, when MRAs speak to feminism it’s not typically feminism as a whole movement beginning with its inception, but rather it’s contemporary evolution and current from in which it operates to seek the goals of its predecessor movements. To aid in your further debates, you’re correct to say that no one has a singular definition and critiquing the contemporary moveme…
/r/MensRights17/09/19 05:19 AM
2

I know you’ve been attacked here, and it’s not the goal In my post to do the same. I just want to have a real conversation. I get that socialism has a lot of benefits and is a solution to the failings of capitalist systems in a way what attempts to address collective suffering. All of our goals should be towards addressing suffering by our fellow humans. I give merit to socialism for looking at a problem in the world and offering another option. — Capitalism, just like socialism, began as a theo…
/r/MensRights17/09/19 04:01 AM
1

Well the problem in itself is that because girls have learned it’s important to protect themselves from bad actors, the safest first option is reject. I mean, think about all the marketing and sales calls we’ve gotten on the internet. We’ve gotten so much that we generally just default to rejecting it. And then when there is a guy that girls actually like, habit and experience almost takes over. Even if we know we might benefit from learning more. —— I’m in sales and the interaction between buye…
/r/MensRights13/09/19 07:42 PM
1

I’m sorry that’s been your experience and wish this wasn’t the case. Typically those kinds of men are the ones who talk to as many girls as possible and so tons of girls have the same experiences from just a handful of guys. A majority of guys are too nervous to approach or will be respectful. But they aren’t memorable. The guys who made you feel like your life was in danger are the ones you don’t forget because obviously you need to take care of your safety and try to avoid that in the future. …
/r/MensRights10/09/19 10:14 PM
3

I think this youtube video can provide a set of good strategies for you to learn. It analyzes an interview with Jordan Peterson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS9W-wlJHPA
/r/MensRights27/08/19 09:55 PM
1

Well, to be fair, this is just an extension of masturbation, which men have done for a long time. I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say that Swedish women are such a mess that men are replacing them with sex dolls.
/r/MensRights14/08/19 12:07 AM
3

And pets can’t give consent to ownership, so I guess pet owners are slave masters. Taming them? More like brainwashing them and manipulating them with food. /s
/r/MensRights14/08/19 12:05 AM
1

What has never made sense to me is when women justify cheating for "love" and it's disgusting that guys will cheat for "sex". The later is fulfilling a basic human need and has no commitment. Cheating for love is ultimate betrayal and showcases the fact that they didn't take the time to talk through their problems with the relationship and then end it if things can't be resolved. If they cheat for love, they had plenty of time to develop that love and could have ended their relationship, but the…
/r/MensRights03/08/19 12:33 AM
4

“Can’t wait for HR to Thanos you”. These guys are fucking hilarious, hope they do more commentary on social issues.
/r/MensRights19/06/19 05:52 PM
1

Aren’t there also tons of studies that show that women check out other women more than men do?
/r/MensRights19/06/19 02:53 AM
1

I think alimony should be viewed like a pension. There’s a threshold of years and your rank and amount of years influence how big that pension is. For marriages that still resemble marriages of the past, e.g. my own parents who were married for 17 years while my mom was a stay-at-home parent, yeah it makes sense for alimony because she supported my Dads career and he immensely benefitted from that. She enabled him to grow his career, raise a family, take care of his property. That’s an investmen…
/r/MensRights19/06/19 02:52 AM
1

Alimony doesn’t make sense nowadays unless there are still these marriages that resemble those of the past. It essentially allows women to claim ownership over men’s work, regardless of the situation. Women are no longer investing themselves into their man’s career, they are investing in their own careers. For women who are investing in their men’s careers, it does make sense for a joint ownership. But women who are not do not deserve the fruits of their husbands labors any more than men deserve…
/r/MensRights19/06/19 02:41 AM
1

In the US, soccer doesn’t draw that much revenue, but that’s pretty cool. I know women’s soccer has some interest in the US.
/r/PussyPassDenied15/06/19 01:26 AM
5

Even more important than that, it’s about selling stadiums seats during the entire tournament. The women’s finals might have seen this much viewship, but how many seats did they sell for the semis, quaterfinals, etc. the entire tournament makes bank, whereas here..
/r/PussyPassDenied13/06/19 05:43 PM
1

That’s right, put women in childcare, support the patriarchy!
/r/MensRights12/06/19 06:44 PM
2

It’s almost like athletes get paid based on supply demand rather than for having a penis. Soccer team owners would much prefer to pay theirs stars the salary women do, they just know that competing teams will pay more to attract talent.
/r/MensRights12/06/19 06:42 PM
4

You’re right that you’re not going to convince a feminist - they have invested way too much time into understanding why it’s important and view themselves as important activists. They view people who disagree with their worldview as the enemy that they need to fight. You don’t let your guard down in a fight. What you will be able to do is talk to people who take a more moderate opinion. People who don’t have strong opinions but they believe in equality and fairness. Average people. The average p…
/r/MensRights11/06/19 07:51 PM
2

I agree. The most important thing is to make sure that when you do bring it up in person, people are going to, without really realizing, start parroting feminist talking points. In person it’s incredibly important to be articulate, logically explain yourself, talk about your experiences, and bring real statistics and be able to cite them well. Most people’s understanding of men’s rights is from a place of misinformation. For most people, the only thing they know about men’s rights is about misog…
/r/MensRights11/06/19 07:30 PM
3

Probably something a long the lines of...omg he was hitting on me and when I turned him down because I got a boyfriend, he got offended. I mean me and Boyfriend have been having problems - like you know - and while it would have been nice to just forget all that drama and have a nice time with a new guy I trust, he just got all butt hurt suddenly. God men are the worst.
/r/MensRights11/06/19 06:58 PM
2

We’ve become too exasperated to fight the logic of “but you’re just a privileged male”. The problem is we care too much about convincing them to remain logically consistent about their values. I’m sure Gen Z and the generation after are just going to eye roll like we did about the hippy movement. Basically, what killed the hippy movement was Charles Manson. He fully embodied hippy culture, then murdered a bunch of people. I guarantee something like that will happen again. Evil people taken advan…
/r/MensRights11/06/19 02:02 AM
1

Exactly, essentially it is, just place your full trust that other people won’t screw you over if they had the chance....which is contrary to all advice given about corporate business.
/r/MensRights11/06/19 01:58 AM
1

Just have men boycott, can function without a revenue source
/r/MensRights06/06/19 11:26 PM
3

Do you have a link to that thread?
/r/MensRights06/06/19 10:52 PM
1

It’s a numbers game bro. You gotta think a bit like sales. You can either market yourself or make cold approaches. Best ways to meet people are by joining groups that have hobbies similar to you. I personally like to go to the club and bar, and I won’t know their values until after I go on a few dates with them. Not sure how old you are, but another great way is to invite your friends out and have them invite their friends. Ask girls about their cute friends, they also love introducing their fri…
/r/MensRights06/06/19 10:48 PM
2

What’s wrong with helping out single fathers? I mean, I would also like to spend quality time with my kid when s/he is born.
/r/MensRights06/06/19 10:41 PM
1

“What if the 8 year old boy wanted it.” Yikes.
/r/MensRights06/06/19 10:35 PM
5

Lol, “Women were not necessarily in government to represent women’s needs and and interests.” Welcome to politics ladies. So I guess we can start saying that men in government were not necessarily in government to represent men’s need and interests. Thanks! It’s almost like gender doesn’t matter, the candidate does.
/r/MensRights06/06/19 10:30 PM
6

I mean to be fair, I think it’s more of a survival tactic. It doesn’t mean they like it, just that it increases their chances for protection.
/r/MensRights06/06/19 10:25 PM
1

I agree, but it’s easy to argue that men are responsible because it’s his child that is born. But if you define the point at which moral responsibility occurs, then you can legally argue a consistent point. Any pro-abortion logic ends up applying to men. Because all of these thing are a legal argument, they must remain consistent logically. Knowing that paper abortion can tag-along with regular abortion is important to recognize.
/r/MensRights02/06/19 09:44 AM
8

And? What’s wrong with that?
/r/MensRights28/05/19 05:45 PM
1

Divide and conquer. They started with white people, then white men, then white cis men. They need to create a common enemy in order to conquer.
/r/MensRights22/05/19 09:56 PM
4

Remember, they are going to praise the movement they want to happen rather than the movement that needs to happen. They will praise any movement that smears their opponents.
/r/MensRights21/05/19 02:54 PM
2

Also, remember that just because something is a social construct doesn’t also mean it’s a bad thing and should be changed. It just means it has the capability of being changed. Consent is a social construct Laws are a social construct Language is a social construct Rights are a social construct Morals are a social construct Social constructs are good things.
/r/MensRights21/05/19 02:41 PM
2

Thank you for that incredible history. I didn’t know any of that and appreciate you typing that out. To add to your last point: men had to fight for the right to vote for the entire history of mankind. Women just had to fight for it after the men finally fought for the tough part.
/r/MensRights21/05/19 02:31 PM
1

Just so people are aware, I tried to look up that 117% stat, it comes from an old 2006 study. Then it gets reused in a 2010 story. So I’d be careful citing that unless someone has found a newer study (I haven’t yet).
/r/MensRights16/05/19 11:15 PM
1

You’re right, basically the guys who complain about dating and the girls who complain about dating are complaining about the top performers in the opposite sexes. The closest thing that can emulate the dynamic is a buyer / seller dynamic. The best sellers are going to be able to get the best “accounts” and the best buyers are going to be able to be the most picky about their vendors, not worry about doing market research, and get the best deals. Bad sellers are going to complain that picky buyer…
/r/MensRights16/05/19 05:57 PM
-1

I actually don’t believe selective service should be abolished. I think it’s important for everyone to make the commitment that they will sacrifice for our country. In fact, excluding women from the draft basically admits that women are so useless, that they should just stay home, even if we desperately need soldiers and are resorting to conscription. Very anti-feminist.
/r/MensRights16/05/19 04:44 PM
10

Another thing to do add to your part about the female vote: They were worried that they would have to join the draft because for men a requirement before being able to vote is by signing up for the draft.
/r/MensRights16/05/19 04:19 PM
3

More like hello higher suicide rates. Japanese culture has a strong sense of community & shame.
/r/MensRights08/05/19 02:39 AM
10

I’ve had this theory that equality will never happen because women prefer high status men / leaders. As soon as women like taking care of men and men who are submissive, it will change things a lot. But until then, all that’s going to happen is that men are going to keep competing for top positions and women will keep competing for the top males.
/r/MensRights06/05/19 02:10 PM
5

Nice to see the truth about how it was never about equality, it’s about equality for women.
/r/MensRights06/05/19 01:41 PM
1

And expecting the world to change immediately is naive. You gotta be in it for the long haul.
/r/MensRights02/05/19 01:39 PM
2

Wow, you’re completely right. Very eye opening. Updated my post to feminists.
/r/MensRights01/05/19 03:07 PM
2

The fact that we hear about the handful of bad cops that exist and there are hundreds of thousands of police officers make me agree. It’s insane how we can talk constantly about unfair stereotyping when it comes to race relations, but then hypocritically turn against another group because of bad eggs.
/r/MensRights01/05/19 02:12 PM
1

Of course! It was rally eye opening. Also sorry for that previous comment, it got copied by accident somehow.
/r/MensRights01/05/19 02:10 PM
3

https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a
/r/MensRights01/05/19 02:00 PM
14

You know, I’ve been thinking about this and realized that society is actually really slow to embrace change. I mean it took a while for women to change the definition of rape to what it is now. At least a decade ago, maybe even more recently, they would ask if a girl tries to fight as a requirement for rape, or if she got wet, it wouldn’t count. We just have to stay strong, keep drawing parallels to their warped perception and slowly over time they will change. Unfortunately for many women, they…
/r/MensRights01/05/19 01:59 PM
5

*UK Rapist Mother FTFY
/r/MensRights01/05/19 01:56 PM
2

Maybe they should try shock therapy, worked well with gay conversion therapy camps.
/r/MensRights30/04/19 11:33 PM
2

Huh, it’s almost like grindingly hard work that makes you sacrifice everything is what’s required to be successful. It’s not about intellect or education - it’s willingness to sacrifice family time for providing for your family. Someone has to do it, and women less willingly do it.
/r/MensRights30/04/19 11:27 PM
17

Unsurprising, 80% of women go after 20% of men, as found by tinder. Only a dating & marriage culture evens things out.
/r/MensRights30/04/19 11:21 PM
2

“They had to undo the ban because porn was in some cases up to 70% of their data traffic” haha hot damn. Porn makes the internet go round. I’m curious what those numbers are for the US.
/r/MensRights19/04/19 05:55 PM
2

It would be rather interesting to ask her who would put men in cages. Other men?
/r/MensRights19/04/19 05:39 PM
2

Well here’s the thing though too. It’s evolutionarily advantageous for men to be attracted to a wide range of women and evolutionarily advantageous for a woman to be attracted to narrow amount of men. If you have only a few chances for a child, you want to make damn sure they’ll be great. If you have theoretically infinite, you’ll not be very picky. This is actually why I think women think all guys are assholes — because they are all talking about the same guys. These guys don’t commit and don’t…
/r/MensRights19/04/19 05:33 PM
1

Speech is irrational rather than rational, for this view regards reason as nothing but an instrument of power with no power of its own. Wow. Truly a way with words.
/r/MensRights19/04/19 05:26 PM
1

Exactly, by definition it’s equality FOR women.
/r/MensRights13/04/19 01:08 AM
1

Not only does this ignore female rapists, but it also allows women to legally remove parental rights of men if they can just get the father convicted for rape. I’m also curious if they remove financial responsibility as well or if they lose parental rights & still have financial responsibility.
/r/MensRights13/04/19 12:14 AM
1

Breaking news: Police chief recommends getting rid of the judicial system because women might be found guilty of lying.
/r/MensRights28/03/19 07:28 PM
1

Classic, let’s ban the method, not try to fix the reason why they want to shoot themselves in the first place.
/r/MensRights28/03/19 07:23 PM
27

My sperm, my choice. Women cannot lay ownership a man’s sperm. Imagine if a woman’s eggs were frozen and man sued to have rights to use her eggs without her consent. Good one.
/r/MensRights28/03/19 07:19 PM
2

Lol, she basically says that men have been sticking their heads in the sand and male problems have been ignored, but then says the cure to that is for men to focus on female issues...uh....what? Also this is quite hilarious: “...(It’s women, after all, who often bear the brunt of men’s rage.)” This is so obviously false. Men face the brunt of men’s rage. And how is it that leftist reporting always talks about socialism. I’m becoming more and more convinced that left social movements are just a w…
/r/MensRights21/03/19 06:36 PM
2

See I think you’re discounting that fear. When I was suicidal, the one thing that I feared was not hospitalization, but rather they will treat it not as a problem to work through but rather a danger to yourself and make it a huge deal. The thing that my psychiatrist does really well is openly talk about it very casually that helped me articulate why I felt that way and then challenge the assumptions I had about the decision making process. Like I think we haven’t de-stigmatized feeling suicidal …
/r/MensRights21/03/19 05:54 PM
3

This is incredible. I think this male bonding, sharing the things that plague your mind and coming together as brotherhood is what this is all about. Our whole movement is about giving male pain, injustice, and life experiences a voice. That men do matter and men do hurt. This is incredibly powerful and I hope it sparks more interest in listening to the male voice.
/r/MensRights19/03/19 07:07 PM
3

The dumbest part about this is it actually does nothing to solve the problem because cost is on an individual level, not a group level. Men don’t collectively bring their money together and pay for things. Each person pays for themselves. This is how you know feminists don’t understand economics. If a man making six figures pays for the ticket, each ticket is not much. If a man makes $30k per year, each ticket is a lot. The second man doesn’t benefit from the first man making more money than him…
/r/MensRights18/03/19 06:53 AM
5

Wowza that sub
/r/MensRights14/03/19 02:58 PM
4

So then what do they think about FtM?
/r/MensRights14/03/19 01:53 PM
9

Never even heard of gender critical, I presume not worth the trip?
/r/MensRights14/03/19 05:38 AM
1

I share your disappointment at these kinds of people and don’t like misogyny or fear of women as being a part of Men’s Rights. We don’t censor free speech here, so they make their noise and are typically ignored, downvoted, or argued with. I do it often. I also agree - those kinds of people are hypocrites, just like the feminists who do the same. But here’s the thing. These kinds of comments are men sharing an emotion - not all emotions are great, but for a long time men have been expected to su…
/r/MensRights13/03/19 11:17 PM
2

You’re definitely correct to say that it gets overblown and some people’s reaction to this is to hate women. We are an open sub that don’t censor, so you’ll get those kinds of people, but don’t let some people’s impulse reactions define the majority of the sub. These obvious fear mongers or misogynists are not upvoted very high, and often debated within our own community. The fear of these situations stems from this fear that there is no institutional support for men to defend against false accu…
/r/MensRights13/03/19 05:36 PM
1

Nobody MAKES you feel anything. Nobody forces you to commit suicide. Suicide is weak and selfish. So do you believe that domestic abuse does not include non-physical abuse? That psychological bullying or manipulation can only happen to the weak? What if its someone you are supposed to love & trust? Who’s opinion you care deeply about? Suicide is strongly linked with neurological disorders, wiring in the brain that causes abnormal reactions to situations or chemical imbalances that make it imposs…
/r/MensRights13/03/19 05:18 PM
2

You may not be wrong - but it’s best not shame our brothers who are equally upset with feminism and just choose to walk away from it all. Ridiculing them with “incel” only makes it more difficult for the general public to sympathize or support the frustrating consequences of 3rd wave feminism.
/r/MensRights13/03/19 05:03 PM
14

As you continue your work and start to get experience I would highly encourage you to share your experiences with us in how to better help men who experienced sexual assault and highlight the differences of male vs. female experiences with sexual assault. We have been taught how to equip ourselves to support women who experience it, but there’s not a whole lot of information about men. I would encourage you to also (with permission of course) document how many men do come forward with these thin…
/r/MensRights13/03/19 04:59 PM
49

As a female MRA, you were probably more informed to answer that question than most of the others that interviewed! Good luck and thank you for your care for others.
/r/MensRights13/03/19 03:59 PM
12

Meanwhile girls still openly mock short guys & small penises
/r/MensRights13/03/19 03:56 PM
4

They claim gender quotas because the patriarchy is holding them back...as we in society that intentionally gives women a bit more consideration for employment & management consideration.
/r/MensRights13/03/19 03:40 PM
1

Wow. If she’s not letting you have your phone calls there has to be something you can do to force her. I don’t know if sue is the right word, but damn. That really sucks.
/r/MensRights13/03/19 02:31 PM
1

You’re assessment has merit, but we need a niche. Just like any startup, we need to start simple and grow from there. A startup with tons of products will lose to enterprise companies with tons of products. We need one or two things and specialize in it and grow from there.
/r/MensRights13/03/19 03:07 AM
2

I agree. Wanted to gauge whether there were other great things. This post was mainly around what can lead to a successful movement, rather than what’s an important issue. Obviously we have a lot we want to accomplish, and finding the most potent issues can be a great first step.
/r/MensRights13/03/19 12:30 AM
2

No need to explain yourself, I share in your frustration. There are many things we need to tackle that we spin our wheels.
/r/MensRights13/03/19 12:27 AM
2

I agree — it’s tough right now for people to see men as victims because they focus on the female victims of the crime. It’s a societal bias probably based in biology, protect women. But if we start with something that women can’t hi-jack, that’s a uniquely male issue, that victimhood starts to be acknowledged.
/r/MensRights12/03/19 11:04 PM
1

This kills me. You’re her father, you pay child support, you have every right to see your daughter, you are a human parent who wants to care and show love to your daughter. This is why I believe our first movement she be centered around fathers.
/r/MensRights12/03/19 11:02 PM
3

Absolutely feel the same. We need to show MRA & WRA can have the same goals of equality, just from the other perspective.
/r/MensRights12/03/19 07:00 PM
2

Alright. What if maybe they did their own survey about what they think about the most important issues?
/r/MensRights12/03/19 06:25 PM
1

I agree with you that this is an important issue — so if we did, how would we be able to tackle this issue?
/r/MensRights12/03/19 06:25 PM
1

I agree it’s an important issue. My only thought is that circumcision doesn’t trickle down into other issues as naturally. Not to mention — it’s a very religious issue so it’s even hotly debated among men (not this sub). We do need something that is very easily unifying for everyone beyond this sub. I feel like we need something as unifying as sexual assault. No one can be in favor of sexual assault, just like no one could be in favor of male suicide. There is literally no justification for supp…
/r/MensRights12/03/19 04:11 PM
2

What was the reasoning they gave you for not letting you take a survey?
/r/MensRights12/03/19 03:51 PM
2

Damn that’s too bad. Thanks for doing this work though!
/r/MensRights12/03/19 03:39 PM
3

Thank you for your brave service to our country and the resulting sacrifice of your relationship with your daughter. It’s men like you that I want to fight to have your voice heard.
/r/MensRights12/03/19 02:48 PM
4

Knowing your shit and telling the truth is a kind of rhetoric. Understanding their rhetorical traps is also part of knowing your shit. I think what you mean is using their style of rhetoric, which includes lies & half-truths, should not be encouraged, which I agree.
/r/MensRights12/03/19 09:21 AM
13

I think another great survey would be centered around what do you think the goals of MRA are. Ask this sub, then ask feminists, then a control group of random unrelated people. Would be a great look into the perception of MRA and show us what we need to work on for our brand image.
/r/MensRights12/03/19 08:13 AM
1

Male suicide is higher, but attempted suicide is not. The question is not whether feminism is linked to male suicide, but rather if traditional masculinity is the reason for higher rates of male suicide and by undoing it, will lower it. The fact that women attempt it more, who do not adhere to traditional masculinity, reveals that by sharing your feelings more, crying more, being open, does not lead to lower acts of suicide. It’s impossible to say that dismantling traditional masculinity will re…
/r/MensRights12/03/19 08:00 AM
1

I’m sure it will — and the saddest part will be that it will just be accepted and we never get to relish in their demise. They will go silent and a new group of people will be charge arguing about new things.
/r/MensRights12/03/19 07:00 AM
10

Precisely, we are not arguing to convince them, we are arguing to convince the readers/viewers who are still deciding what they believe.
/r/MensRights12/03/19 03:43 AM
23

I hope these kinds of people keep getting huge attention, it will just be great canon fodder for the future when this kind of behavior isn’t acceptable. I look forward to the day where we dig up people’s like this tweet decades later to get them in trouble for male hate-speech, just like what’s happened right now. Thank god for all the archiving sites.
/r/MensRights11/03/19 11:48 PM
15

I think what he means is learning their manipulative tricks so you don’t fall into traps without realizing it. It’s not about beating them, it’s about not letting them trick you. At the end of the day all politics is rhetoric, so if we want to affect political change, we will need to know how to better handle them and develop our own. Like this: https://youtu.be/nS9W-wlJHPA
/r/MensRights11/03/19 11:41 PM
1

This is great
/r/MensRights11/03/19 11:25 PM
6

Consider this: every generation changes what’s cool & rebels against the system. It doesn’t make sense to the older generation and often times they get offended and try to censor. Feminists are going to be viewed as the new “traditional Christians” by this younger generation. Being insufferable in dogmatic belief and being very “preachy”. Feminists want to tell them what to do, what to think, etc. 50s traditional Christians tried to do this for the hippy movement and the younger generation rejec…
/r/MensRights11/03/19 07:53 PM
6

It’s because we keep operating as if feminism is about equality and expecting them to care. They don’t, they just want everyone to care about their issues.
/r/MensRights11/03/19 07:25 PM
5

This is the ridiculous part about this argument where men don’t express their feelings/cry enough because of masculinity, so that’s why male suicide is so high. Historically, men have not committed suicide at this high of rates and traditional masculinity has been around for a long time. Women don’t have to adhere to masculinity, are encouraged to be emotional, encouraged to share their feelings, encouraged to cry — yet they attempt suicide more than men. Clearly the problem is not with traditio…
/r/MensRights11/03/19 07:23 PM
1

Funny you ignored the part about obvious discrimination against boys and chose to debate a different talking point. That’s fine, but it’s not paranoid fantasy to worry about young boys being marked down due to sexism. What’s interesting though is you say boys are culturally taught into poor life habits & anti-social personality, but weren’t you yourself a woman this whole time while you were biologically male (assuming you’ve transitioned)? How would you know what it’s like to be neurologically …
/r/MensRights07/03/19 03:21 AM
3

She’s also 5’6. This girl will die. Does she not realize that the offensive line, the ones who will be tackling her, in college are easily like 250+ lbs? Yikes.
/r/MensRights07/03/19 01:49 AM
2

Lol, fuck em. You were smarter than they are and took the best route. If you fought at all they win regardless. They call you a pussy to try to bait you into a lose-lose situation. You beat the girl, you’re a sexist woman-beater, expelled. You lose, and you’re a pussy & got your ass kicked & still expelled.
/r/MensRights07/03/19 01:46 AM
2

Wait, there’s a girl on a college football team? You have a link for the story?
/r/MensRights07/03/19 01:39 AM
1

This is because girls are typically more diligent about completing their assignments than boys are. They put more effort into the class, so they get higher grades even with the same amount of raw talent. This would explain progress and ending assessment, but they took tests in the beginning of 6th grade, both blind & non-blind. From page 8, 2nd paragraph Figures 3 and 4 show that boys outperform girls [for math] when grades are blind, but the opposite is observed when teachers assess their pupil…
/r/MensRights07/03/19 01:34 AM
3

Hey appreciate you taking the time to get exposed to viewpoints different from what you are accustomed. I do want to address some things that will make navigating this a bit easier. When we talk about feminism, it’s not feminism as in equality for women. It’s 3rd wave feminism and the tactics and rhetoric that is used in present society. You will come across blatant misogyny — this does not represent our community and we will typically downvote or call them out for it. Comments are not typically…
/r/MensRights06/03/19 08:55 PM
-2

Important issue - but don’t see how this is relevant to MensRights.
/r/MensRights06/03/19 08:28 PM
28

White boys — who can’t get scholarships to schools, choose to pursue apprenticeships. Go figure, they go find other options and vilified for choosing those options. At this point anything men choose to do as a group is oppressive to women.
/r/MensRights06/03/19 08:21 PM
1

Yes, you likely haven’t experienced it, just like I haven’t, but it’s affecting young boys right now and that’s who I’m fighting for. This is not fantasy, this is reality: https://mitili.mit.edu/sites/default/files/project-documents/SEII-Discussion-Paper-2016.07-Terrier.pdf The abstract: “I use a combination of blind and non-blind test scores to show that middle school teachers favor girls when they grade. This favoritism, estimated in the form of individual teacher effects, has long-term conseq…
/r/MensRights06/03/19 07:55 PM
2

It’s a major shame you have to ignore the best critics in the industry in order for your movie to better perform. It’s almost like they are mad their pandering didn’t work. It’s almost like they want to be evaluated by a different standard, but present a success as if they weren’t. The reason people trust critics is because they are reviewing all movies by a consistent criteria. The number means something. If they change it, the number stops having meaning.
/r/MensRights06/03/19 07:22 PM
1

Similarly, if men are 95% of all workplace related deaths, why does that almost not figure in to the wage gap? This is a really interesting point. If you wanted to really look at the wage gap, they should include a dead mans opportunity loss. Women does teaching job $36k/yr Man does logging job $42k/yr Man dies after 5 years on the job. Total life income: $210k Women teaches for 30 years & retires with pension & social security and dies at the average age of 81.6: Assuming retire age of teacher …
/r/MensRights06/03/19 06:41 PM
1

This is basically socialism, but just for women. If I was the other tech companies, I would start sending job offers with the salaries the women are making to poach male talent.
/r/MensRights06/03/19 06:22 PM
1

There’s nothing in a “female brain”, trans or otherwise, that has anything to do with shopping or sucking at math or anything. and I never claimed anything as such. But my question is — how does a trans person know that they are not the correct biological reality? Is there not something neurological wired there that tells you that? From my basic understanding, I was under the impression that from brain scans they can determine a trans person because they mirror brain scans of men/women. Is this …
/r/MensRights03/03/19 01:27 AM
1

Your reaction to this is valid and I would like to better understand. Isn’t the trans experience about having the neurological makeup that is opposite to your biological reality? Something I often hear is that transpeople were always a man or woman prior to transition. How can that argument be made unless there are distinct identities of male and female? I often see the argument that gender performance according to your biological reality also plays a big role in the difficulty of the trans expe…
/r/MensRights02/03/19 07:08 PM
1

I would imagine if there was any bias in the making of the survey, it would be against men. But I just made an edit that reveals more accurate info. It was correctly pointed out to me that 67.4% of lesbian women reported only having female perpetrators of intimate partner violence, making it 29.5% of lesbian women experienced domestic violence from women.
/r/MensRights02/03/19 06:32 PM
1

Huh, I didn’t see that part, but you’re correct. What’s interesting is that 78.5% of bisexual men experienced intimate partner violence from only women — but I wonder if that’s because they mainly had female partners.
/r/MensRights02/03/19 05:40 PM
1

When I saw that 61% of bi-sexual women experience domestic violence, it made me incredibly sad. Thank you for sharing your story and it breaks my heart that you had to had to go through this. You may not know it, but you are an incredibly strong person. Fuck that person. Evil exists from evil people. Evil has no gender. I hope you’re doing okay.
/r/MensRights02/03/19 05:16 PM
1

I think our debate really relies upon what a majority of gay men do, so it’s tough to say one way or the other. I will say my bias comes from my Californian perspective. But even if a gay man wasn’t flamboyant, would you say he would be judged for being flamboyant? There is at least an out. He could choose to become flamboyant and there wouldn’t be huge surprise. Which is at least a little less restricting.
/r/MensRights02/03/19 04:49 AM
1

That is a solid point, but I would agree with them that there is a different kind of freedom to express non-traditional aspects of masculinity if you are gay because people expect it.
/r/MensRights02/03/19 03:30 AM
1

They would probably make the argument that gay men don’t conform to traditional masculinity so that’s why they’re less violent. The whole premise of their argument about “toxic masculinity” is that it’s all learned behavior. So men would be naturally kinder. But the best part is if they use that logic, what does that say about women since lesbians don’t conform to traditional femininity?
/r/MensRights02/03/19 03:15 AM
2

Exactly that only applies if the survey was for couples, not individuals.
/r/MensRights02/03/19 01:44 AM
0

Women expect a provider and a protector. Men cannot damage their SO’s faith in them being a provider and a protector. They can’t share anything with them that would damage that image. They can share that with each other... just not with women. I don’t think it’s fully true for every guy. Have you never laid in bed with a girl post-coitus and just talked openly? Men are more likely to show their soft tender side — the romantic side — with their wives/gfs in a way you wouldn’t with your guy friend…
/r/MensRights02/03/19 01:26 AM
2

There is a difference between reporting to the authorities & reporting to a survey.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 11:07 PM
2

Something I’m surprised someone has pointed out, is that Facebook is basically following down the rabbit hole of hate speech and how ridiculous it is. — They keep realizing that it’s incredibly difficult to properly regulate because context is everything. This is the real issue — regulating speech is way to complex to distill into something as ‘hate speech’ vs. ‘not hate speech’.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 09:36 PM
2

Yeah being forced to talk about emotions only creates a negative reaction. I do encourage you to speak with a professional to get advice on how to better cope. They’ll teach strategies and help give you a new perspective on your thoughts to notice when you fall into mental traps. The good ones will focus on what you want to talk about.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 09:16 PM
3

It’s the big irony — they want us to talk about the emotions they want us to talk about.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 09:13 PM
2

You’re doing tough work, and appreciate people like you. Something that is incredibly lacking right now is a reminder of what good, positive attributes of men are and look like. Things to aspire towards and emulate. There seems to be an overshadowing of pointing out bad things rather than good things. Modern critiques of masculinity seem to favor the stick and no carrot.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 09:11 PM
3

I don’t fully agree with men not sharing with women — I think men do share with their gfs/wives deeply personal stuff that they don’t usually talk about, but I do agree with you about the other stuff. From my own experience — I typically speak with my guy friends about stuff when I’m looking for their perspective or advice. That’s something that I noticed is a big different between guys & girls, is girls usually want someone to just listen and be sympathetic and that’s how I listen to my mom & s…
/r/MensRights01/03/19 09:04 PM
1

NOT acknowledging those factors would be dehumanizing, it would be reducing the criminal down to their evil act and ignoring their humanity while reacting with vitriol to anyone who has the temerity to point it out. THAT is how men are treated.” This is a very succinct way to put it. Well said. I’ll be using this in the future.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 05:59 PM
5

The hypocrisy of this all is starting to rear its head and reveal it was never about ideology and just politics. People have accepted feminist rhetoric & adopted their language, but when it’s used to talk about men’s issues in the desire for equality, suddenly were being snowflakes and playing oppression olympics. If their own logic can’t be used, why should we care at all about their rhetoric?
/r/MensRights01/03/19 05:58 PM
2

Women have to take care of children more than men do. Sexism against women does exist. That’s not sexism against women lmao. that’s sexism against men that has evolved in a way that it also negatively affects women. Because men are seen as unempathetic and more violent and inept than women, they get lower expectations of child rearing.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 05:41 PM
9

Something also interesting in this study: 28.6% of heterosexual men who experienced sexual violence other than rape in their lifetime reported having only male perpetrators.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 05:22 PM
14

Edit: I don’t want to spread misleading information, it was correctly pointed out to me that on page 8 it says: “Two-thirds of lesbian women (67.4%) reported having only female perpetrators of intimate partner violence.” This would mean that female on female domestic violence in lesbian couples would be 0.674 * 43.8% = 29.5%. 98.7% of women reported only having male perpetrators of domestic violence, so 0.987 * 35% = 34.5% is male on female domestic violence, so for lesbian women domestic violen…
/r/MensRights01/03/19 05:11 PM
1

Life-time prevalence of violence by an Intimate partner summary: Women: Lesbian - 43.8%, Bisexual - 61.1%, Hetero - 35% Men: Gay - 26%, Bisexual - 37.3%, Hetero - 29% Life-time prevalence of severe violence Women: Lesbian - 29.4%, Bisexual - 49.3%, Hetero - 23.6% Men: Gay - 16.4%, Bisexual - numbers too small to report, Hetero - 13.9%. ——————— Go figure, when it’s two men, they have the lowest instances of domestic violence. Toxic masculinity anyone?
/r/MensRights01/03/19 05:07 PM
3

Do you have the source for this? This would be an incredibly powerful thing to include in this sub. Edit: found this, https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_sofindings.pdf Life-time prevalence of violence by an Intimate partner Women: Lesbian - 43.8%, Bisexual - 61.1%, Hetero - 35% Men: Gay - 26%, Bisexual - 37.3%, Hetero - 29% Life-time prevalence of severe violence Women: Lesbian - 29.4%, Bisexual - 49.3%, Hetero - 23.6% Men: Gay - 16.4%, Bisexual - numbers too small to report, Heter…
/r/MensRights01/03/19 04:39 PM
2

They should be compatible! Men’s Issues should fall under equality and Democrats would greatly benefit by toning down attacks against men and including men’s issues for more support of their issues. But they are plagued by radical feminists who labeled men their enemy.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 04:28 PM
3

Hey I’m a right leaning liberal who frequents this sub, my definition of liberal being separate from the left. My guess for why it doesn’t exist is because standard liberals and leftists have aligned against cis, white men. So any issues that benefit cis, white men take away from their agenda. In my ideal world, liberals should be including men’s issues under the banner of equality. But as it stands now, the only equality they seek is where women are unequal in their mind.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 04:26 PM
1

Something that the left does is redefine words so that people who still hold onto the hold definition still support them, while they counter opposition in debate. Be careful of the left’s definitions, don’t assume you actually know what they mean, clarify their definitions before you start debating.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 04:17 PM
1

It seems like you’re changing the definition of toxic masculinity to fit what you want it to. Here’s what the APA said: “The main thrust of the subsequent research is that traditional masculinity—marked by stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression—is, on the whole, harmful.” I am challenging that these words are not on the whole harmful and have many benefits. There is no mention of misuse or overuse in the APA’s definition. If they did, then I would agree with you. But in pretty much …
/r/MensRights01/03/19 02:41 PM
2

I did choose their battleground because these have been now used for illness. I want to use their same words to highlight they are not bad. To cause doubt in their negative connotation. By using different words, it lets them still focus on these as bad and gives them cause to eradicate them and say they are just toxic. By highlighting the positives of these words, it shows they are not toxic by nature. By talking about all the benefits, it shows they far outnumber the negatives. Examples provide…
/r/MensRights01/03/19 03:30 AM
1

Exactly, and it’s these tools and self-reliance that men would prefer to rely on. Men crave being self-sustaining and being able to provide. They want to solve their own problems, they just need to proper tools to do it. Men don’t need to keep talking about their problems, they just need to know how to solve them.
/r/MensRights28/02/19 06:20 AM
2

The difference is, they are telling someone to change the book title from what the author wanted and saying he should have written about women. That’s telling the author what they should or shouldn’t have done. If you don’t like a book, write your own. (Not you) If gender doesn’t matter, they shouldn’t be offended if they aren’t inclusive. Being intentionally inclusive actually means that gender does matter In fact, if the book was titled, People of Mathematics, they would get way more hate if t…
/r/MensRights27/02/19 11:28 PM
2

This is the perfect example of institutional sexism. I am so sorry you had to go through that. Fuck them.
/r/MensRights27/02/19 10:53 PM
3

Exactly, just because someone vandalized my house, doesn’t mean I get to murder them. Self-defense from bodily harm is the injunction case where you get to hurt someone else. Imagine if a man hit a women every time she yelled at and was controlling. Women would tell him to man up, it was just words.
/r/MensRights27/02/19 10:48 PM
10

I once asked a guy if he’s in an abusive relationship, and he said no just normal stuff like, her emotional manipulating me, guilt tripping me if I want some alone time or hangout with friends, screams if I don’t pay for things, withholds sex if I don’t do what she tells me, hits me when she’s mad, and lies to her friends about how I don’t do anything for her. Girls are just crazy. That’s how normalized abuse against men is when men think this is a normal part of dating bec ‘it’s not a big deal …
/r/MensRights27/02/19 10:42 PM
4

And the problem is, when men ask for help they are looking for a solution, not a sympathetic ear. We don’t open up to family because we don’t want to make our problems other people’s problems. We want someone who actually knows how to deal with it.
/r/MensRights27/02/19 10:27 PM
4

I agree — they typically cater to how women solve problems. The big issue is, in order for CBT to take place, the docs have to listen to what you say to challenge thinking. But it should be framed in a way that men resonate with — problem solving and advice.
/r/MensRights27/02/19 10:22 PM
17

This is such fake activism. Let’s be vulnerable? How? When? Is being vulnerable to people actually the best way to combat suicide? Instead of trying to get men to talk about their problems like women do, why don’t we level with how men actually deal with their problems? Instead of using words like, “be vulnerable” or “talk” or “open up”, why not use words that actually resonate? Conquer your self-doubt, fix your depression, learn how to endure through suicidal thoughts, how to build confidence, …
/r/MensRights27/02/19 10:20 PM
1

An immediate counter that would be used is that most rapes go unreported, so the number would be much higher. There’s not much you can do to counter that, as it relies on pure ambiguity. How would you debate this point? The only thing that I can think of is bringing men into the picture and using their our ambiguity to include male victims of rape also therefore being unreported. Thoughts?
/r/MensRights27/02/19 09:49 PM
3

Now this is institutional sexism
/r/MensRights27/02/19 09:45 PM
6

And yet it’s well know that having a mother & a father is the best for children. Especially if you have a daughter. I still believe in the importance of family and the value of family. I just want my own rights protected and the rights of my future sons. Should you have a son through a surrogate women, you will still have to negotiate with women who control the education system. And if you don’t have men who are convincing these women through activism, you lose.
/r/MensRights27/02/19 10:18 AM
1

Thanks! Appreciate you keeping me informed.
/r/MensRights27/02/19 08:46 AM
1

Appreciate the kind words. I try to take a tempered stance and challenge people who don’t make sense. It probably helps that I enjoy debate and when someone whole-heartedly disagrees with me, it forces me to get better. I’m surprised you read all the way down here. Wish I could have kept my cool, but once the attacks start coming out, it’s hard to resist.
/r/MensRights27/02/19 08:40 AM
2

Holy, okay other people are basically giving advice for abstinence. You’re not going to do this nor want to do this. Parties are basically how you make friends in college and meet girls. You’re going to want to hookup with girls so let’s have an actual good plan. Not fool proof but will be a great safe guard. This will be fairly long, but it’s what you’re really looking for rather than the other advice in here. I am part of a fraternity and when I was in school I was given sexual assault trainin…
/r/MensRights27/02/19 08:32 AM
1

Lol, “I should have written this differently” “actually it was a bait”. I’m talking to you patronizingly because you come in hot acting like your opinion is obvious fact. You also can’t seem to decide whether NASA’s report is “science” or science. Your fake attempt to bait me? Lol, this whole time you kept saying, “this is my last comment” or ‘Good luck!’, and yet here you are still. Dragged you out long enough to stop being consistent and started resorting to ad hominem, what a treat for me thi…
/r/MensRights27/02/19 06:56 AM
1

Oh I agree, I was just simply speaking to the quote. Well I think American health is more complicated than just our medication problems. We should save a shit ton on medical costs if we just got rid of obesity.
/r/MensRights27/02/19 04:46 AM
6

MGTOW is great for single adult men, but if you’re a man who wants children or has children, you’re going to need advocates to help you maintain the rights to your child. All the young boys who don’t have positive male role models, will be sucked into feminist rhetoric their whole lives and won’t be ready for MGTOW until they are adult men and that’s only if they stumble upon it. MRAs want to stop future violence against boys, discrimination against boys in school, and violence and jailing of bo…
/r/MensRights27/02/19 04:42 AM
1

It’s true, the only data I had was about the pharmaceutical industry so I focused on those talking points. And I know the US isn’t the only place, I think I read somewhere that the US accounts for 25% or something. That quote you’re citing basically means that they get all their margins from pricing higher to Americans, despite accounting for only 27% of revenue. This just means that they are making very little profit off of the other 73% of pills they sell to the rest of the world. Americans ar…
/r/MensRights27/02/19 04:30 AM
1

I didn’t claim they “don’t matter.” And I didn’t claim you think they don’t matter, you just downplayed how much it matters. You sure love making assumptions. One, I said the only value science has is its ability to predict. If it doesn’t predict, it’s not science. Lol. You clearly have no idea what science is. So basically all bleeding edge science isn’t really science? Where they make a discovery but still need further testing? Is that not science? Or in one area of science, quantum physics, w…
/r/MensRights27/02/19 04:18 AM
1

Okay, do you have something you can point me to that breaks down the funding for drugs comes from? What exactly does “much” funding mean? Like percent wise? I’d like to learn more. Because from the stuff I’ve read Pharmaceutical companies invest on average $800M - $1B per drug, I’m curious how much of that is private vs. public.
/r/MensRights27/02/19 02:47 AM
3

First of all, humans taking part in climate change/global warming is emphatically true: https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/ Also just for reference, here is some more data on why small changes in degrees matter: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/world-of-change/DecadalTemp Also, don‘t let averages confuse you. It doesn‘t mean there aren‘t more extreme changes in certain areas. If you really think NASA scientists just whore themselves out, well it sounds like you’ve been brainwashed in…
/r/MensRights27/02/19 02:28 AM
2

Oh I’m not socialist by any means, in fact I hate socialism. I’m a capitalist dog through and through. And I didn’t advocate for Medicare for all, I just said there can be solutions out there that help tackle the problem. And I also said too, that if we were to keep the same exact systems in place, it would not work. So we’re on the same page here. Perhaps you saw that I said I’m a liberal and therefore you just jumped to the assumption that I’m a socialist? Far from true, my past time is arguin…
/r/MensRights27/02/19 01:19 AM
0

Here are some stronger arguments that you include: https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-global-burden-of-medical-innovation/ Something you can say to counter obvious counter-arguments about the wealthy should be paying more taxes. Basically American is the wealthy people paying for Medicare for the rest of the world. Sucks to pay more for the poor people of the world, huh?
/r/MensRights27/02/19 12:56 AM
2

I don’t agree with him, but answering that is far more complex. Basically Americans are subsidizing the research cost for medical advancement for the entire world. Our increased costs are basically the incentive for medical companies to keep throwing millions of dollars into research. To highlight: Total branded drug revenues in America are about $334B, if American prices dropped to overseas levels, global profits would fall by $134B. About 46 to 96% of global profits (depending on the drug prof…
/r/MensRights27/02/19 12:35 AM
6

I think it’s disingenuous to make flat out claims that there is a permanent truth in climate change not causing problems & free health care is impossible. —————————— Climate change —————————— The thing that is true about climate change, is we are dramatically changing the global equilibrium for our environment as a direct result of our industrialized world. This is emphatically true. We don’t know exactly what is going to happen, we just know from studies done on the past, that when the Earth go…
/r/MensRights27/02/19 12:21 AM
2

Triggered became popular among Tumblr girls who wanted to equate their negative reactions with PTSD triggers and it became so ridiculous that people started mocking them for it. Remember the, “literally shaking” from just internet insults? Trying to turn it around only validates the initial mockery, which was about redefining it as negative reactions. Reversing it still makes fun of the original girls who exaggerated it in that way. This is a lie - they aren’t triggered. They are disagreeing. Th…
/r/MensRights26/02/19 09:43 PM
2

Well, in a political sense, yes. But triggers I believe (I could be wrong) were started with those with PTSD that ranged from war veterans to rape victims. I believe it started on Tumblr where girls would list all their trigger words, where they started casually mentioning things that upset them as PTSD triggers. Then it started getting ridiculous so people started mocking them for it because things that upset them are being used as equivalent to PTSD triggers. But now the left is reverse mockin…
/r/MensRights26/02/19 09:38 PM
1

Do we have a list of women getting off basically scot-free for heinous crimes?
/r/MensRights26/02/19 09:18 PM
10

Even Jordan would admit he’s not infallible, he would still tell you to think for yourself. But he makes strong arguments and is willing to use talking points most people are uncomfortable with which enables you to think a bit more critically about what you actually think. I used to be a pretty far left liberal, now I’m more a right leaning liberal, the change came from getting exposed to different viewpoints from conservatives who helped me think more critically about what I actually think vs. …
/r/MensRights26/02/19 09:16 PM
5

I haven’t seen the full clip, but a perfect rebuttal to the lady’s point about how in representative democracy women should hold equally as many people. Isn’t that assuming that women should only vote for women, whether or not they agree with her? What if a man better represents her views? Women are represented in Congress, they voted for their congress people. Just because their congressperson has a dick or vagina doesn’t mean they only represent the person who has the same genitalia. This iden…
/r/MensRights26/02/19 09:07 PM
2

100% this!!! We created marriage with the idea that it is until death. Then we got divorce and the laws created for it were made during a time that women weren’t in the workforce and were stay-at-home moms so they needed to help these women because they were screwed for taking care of children. This isn’t the reality we live in anymore. Marriage isn’t forever as divorce is highly likely. There needs to be disillusion terms built in. Hell I think there should be laws that allow you to get married…
/r/MensRights26/02/19 12:38 AM
1

This is absolutely correct — and they try to argue that fraternities and sororities are a title IX violation because they allow them to advertise on campus.
/r/MensRights26/02/19 12:30 AM
2

Sexism & racism = power & discrimination. So I guess this actually shows sexism & racism? Also, where women are a majority, are they also excluded?
/r/MensRights26/02/19 12:29 AM
1

One of the top comments: "New York courts do not appear to have specifically addressed this situation, but states that have have uniformly decided that fathers who were the victims of statutory rape are, nonetheless, obligated to pay child support. The general reasoning is that, although you were not able to consent for purposes of criminal law, you could consent for purposes of civil law. Unless you were forcibly raped, you probably owe child support." And here we were all taught that without c…
/r/MensRights25/02/19 11:56 PM
4

I saw the ad and thought it was hilarious that Serena Williams, who got ejected for getting coaching during the game, the coach admitted it, and she threw a tantrum, is narrating this trying to act like she didn’t deserve it and it’s because of sexism. Are women the only ones who are called crazy? Also, doesn’t crazy also have a positive connotation when used in sports? He is crazy tonight! Replays slam dunk
/r/MensRights25/02/19 11:29 PM
22

The funniest part is, it is illegal by law to pay based on gender. The government already did its job, there are 0 rights that men have that women don’t. But there are rights that women have that men don’t. Perhaps we can use these arguments against the draft?
/r/MensRights25/02/19 11:13 PM
3

Your last sentence I think is the real problem. We’ve gotten to this point where science and studies provide authority for policy change, and so now it’s become important to control the research. We’ve stopped doing research for the sake of research. We’ve started valuing marketability over the search for truth. We’ve stopped trying to figure out reality and instead look for ways to figure how to shape reality to fit what we want. It’s sad :(
/r/MensRights25/02/19 06:23 PM
3

Something I would like to point out because I feel very much to the same way you do — you aren’t leftist, you’re a liberal. And there’s a separation between rightist & conservative. The spectrum: Leftist - Liberal - Centrist - Conservative - Rightist True conservatives think the government has no right in dictating how people live their lives. Gay marriage, weed, guns, self-identity, etc. They think the government should be small and mind their own business. Liberals believe similar values, but …
/r/MensRights25/02/19 06:18 PM
3

Wow this kind of rhetoric gets used so much it took me a second to realize how silly your second sentence sounded. I think our society is losing the ability to think critically and skeptically.
/r/MensRights25/02/19 06:01 PM
7

Yeah there’s this phenomenon that they studied around road rage, where when people get in cars they get rid of their filter. There’s actually a funny Louis CK skit about it: https://youtu.be/iHnsajl-kB8 But basically we do things we wouldn’t normally do when we aren’t actually with the person because we don’t have to deal with the consequences and we just get rid of the the community driven empathy. In regards to the disrespect part, if I were to guess, women feel more often disrespected based o…
/r/MensRights23/02/19 01:22 AM
2

When imagination has to confront reality
/r/MensRights22/02/19 09:31 PM
47

Like this is the first ever ‘sign of disrespect’ that has happened in league history during the banning phase. Like back with 3 bans, people used to ban C9 Hai’s champion pool back when he injured his wrist. Or when people used to 3 ban Bjerg/DoubleLift/Huni/Faker. Shit there was a TSM v. Fnatic game where they 6 banned Huni. That’s some disrespect. To bring this back to a larger discussion that is more relevant to non LoL players, the dumbest part that feminists don’t seem to understand is that…
/r/MensRights22/02/19 04:52 PM
24

Hahaha, wow. What a joke. They want to be inclusive so badly that they chastise their own pro curcuit for doing their job and playing to the best of their ability. They are so sexist against women that they have to convince their player base that the only way that women have a chance is if people go easy on them.
/r/MensRights22/02/19 04:35 PM
3

If right now i see a topless woman, people will think she's perverted. Won't happen for men. 1st pex & boobs are not the same and obviously not treated the same. Boobs are treated as nudity — definitelty part culturally, but men are aroused by boobs, and when women get aroused they like nipple play. If you disagree with that, then my question for you is, if men expose or grab a women’s boobs, do you think it should sexual assault? Or just regular assault? Would you be fine with 16 year old girls…
/r/MensRights22/02/19 01:02 AM
13

The assumption that men should always be ready to lift things, open things, and help with manual labor. The assumption of being the emotional stable ones to support their gfs/wives, but called a baby if a man becomes emotional in frustration, anger, or from physical pain. That if a man isn’t interested in sex he must be gay or something is wrong, if a woman isn’t she’s just not in the mood. That men are bad listeners, when really we just express we are listening in different ways than women do. …
/r/MensRights21/02/19 08:31 PM
1

There have been threads on Reddit about it, and basically they say they are great in different ways. Then if they have a preference, it comes down to the individual, which inherently makes it subjective.
/r/MensRights20/02/19 11:40 PM
2

That first part you quoted, was in reference between male & female comparison, not female - female comparison. Basically challenging the idea that we can say objectively that either men or women are more beautiful, because their beauty is subjective depending on their sex. I believe their are beauty standards that have importance, like you mentioned, but no standard for which we can objectively compare men & women. Perhaps some find beauty in strength — they will think men are more beautiful. Bu…
/r/MensRights20/02/19 09:19 PM
3

The irony of this rhetoric is it’s using the exact same rhetorical reasoning as a white supremacist.
/r/MensRights20/02/19 06:38 PM
1

Yes, it wouldn’t work well because we are dealing with long years manipulation. Women have been using sex for manipulation since the dawn of time.
/r/MensRights20/02/19 06:16 PM
1

Yikes, no way he said that
/r/MensRights20/02/19 03:21 PM
1

I’m taking a philosophical stance. Limiting objectivity to the human perception of beauty, has implicit bias. Recall that this discussion began with who is objectively more beautiful, men or women? And men & women women have different criteria for beauty. Like mentioned, hip ratio for women and chest ratio for men. There is no objective standard to determine which is better, only simply statistics based on the sexuality of the person perceiving the beauty. If beauty is changing, it is a subjecti…
/r/MensRights20/02/19 03:21 PM
1

No problem — it was done in good intention.
/r/MensRights20/02/19 01:53 AM
2

Oh wait, I totally understand and accept it. This was in the context of argument over beauty.
/r/MensRights20/02/19 01:25 AM
1

Yeah it’s a bit of a leap, but my main point is that, men get filtered out in a way that women do not. Filtering leads to better trait selection.
/r/MensRights20/02/19 12:40 AM
1

But that’s still not objective beauty, that’s subjective beauty because we’re using the human perspective. To a blind person, beauty exists differently. We like symmetry because our brain craves structure and symmetry. But not everyone will agree on beauty. It is a purely subjective experience. Some like older people, some like children. Sure there’s a lot of cross-over with commonality, but again, everything is subjective. Not every single human is going to believe in the same beauty. Especiall…
/r/MensRights20/02/19 12:37 AM
1

It’s sad that we have to cheer for women being held accountable for their violence.
/r/MensRights19/02/19 08:34 PM
1

You know, this is actually great. I think this is how we get back to reporting correct facts. Where news stations intentionally troll each other and then ridicule them if they print false statistics. Forces them to do more due diligence. Remind of that time that some researcher passed some obviously misogynistic study with false testing to see if it would get peer-reviewed. And it got peer-reviewed by a bunch of gender-studies schools. This is the way to expose bias.
/r/MensRights19/02/19 08:25 PM
1

Well, the only thing I’ll give her is he did overreact. But the saddest past about this is that the reason he overreacted is because this is probably something that brings him immense anxiety and fear. Fear of rejection. There is an incredible stigma of having a micropenis, and in our society we’re able to publicly mock people for it. It’s used to emasculate men and demean them. It’s sad that no one can empathize with the source of his emotion. Why is he reacting that way? He would only react th…
/r/MensRights19/02/19 08:13 PM
7

It’s about control. They use it to remind us #1 that we want it, and #2 that we need to gain their favor to “earn” it. As if we should cave to their every need because they are giving us our “need”. By presenting it as a reward, it creates a feedback loop of control. Imagine if we presented emotional support as something we reward them with. Oh you haven’t done this for me yet? You haven’t earned “emotional support” from me yet. That would make women think they have to work hard to get that, nor…
/r/MensRights19/02/19 07:17 PM
1

There is no such thing as objective beauty. But 2nd, I would disagree because men are designed to be attracted to pretty much most women because it’s in men’s best advantage to be attracted to as many women as possible. Whereas women are selective. If men evolved to be attracted to as many women as possible, that would be we have a lower threshold for attraction which would mean women wouldn’t be as attractive. There was a study done in tribes in Africa that found that every single woman in the …
/r/MensRights19/02/19 07:07 PM
1

Or height acceptance. I'm a 6'3 guy, so I certainly have no problems, but I have so many friends that are 100% more interesting, better looking, fun, caring guys and girls will overlook them just because they aren't 'tall' enough.
/r/MensRights19/02/19 04:47 PM
1

Something that I am somewhat sympathetic to, but still strongly disagree, is that Hollywood is the only place where the extremely wealthy are highly leftist and so he’s doing this for acceptance. His community, probably in a never ending fervor, remind him and everyone of their ‘problematic’ films, music, and art. This probably is just a way to get people off his back. It’s literally just endless shaming and guilt and outrage that probably gets exhausting for the people industry who aren’t as po…
/r/MensRights19/02/19 12:30 AM
2

Exactly, I do my best to call out flat out misogyny in this sub because that’s not what represents Men’s Rights and this also is a place for women to advocate for their fathers, sons, brothers, and friends. But, we don’t censor so they do show up. Misandry pops up in feminist subs and it’s sad they don’t call that out because in an ideal world I can be a feminist & MRA, always hoping to solve gender unique issues. By we’ve moved passed ideas of equality and more towards ideology and opposition.
/r/MensRights19/02/19 12:23 AM
1

I agree, but there is one aspect that I think the tradcons do highlight that I think is valid and that is, a society that views a partnership between men & women as important is much better than a society that believes men and women can be better on their own, independently. Men & women have inherent differences that together complement each other well. A return to family values has a huge benefit to child development. But that’s doesn’t necessarily mean a return to our traditional familial stru…
/r/MensRights17/02/19 10:58 PM
12

Whenever I see these articles the saddest part aside from the horrific situations these poor guys are in is the fact that these kinds of stories get ignored in the media. These men’s stories get lost and forgotten, but the trauma and sadness never goes away. Women might view this as our sub just trying to paint women as evil and build misogynistic feelings, but posting stories like these is so important for us to really know there are men out there quietly suffering, their pain ignored and nothi…
/r/MensRights17/02/19 10:51 PM
2

The more we can expose feminist hypocrisy, the more we can win everyday people who believe in equality
/r/MensRights17/02/19 10:43 PM
1

It’s just a reaction to call out hypocrisy. Society already doesn’t care about showing male empathy, so flipping it back on them gives men a way to have a dialogue about Men’s Rights to mirror feminist rhetoric so men don’t have to feel like they just have to take this bs. Getting offended by ‘toxic masculinity’ is also just mirroring feminist reaction to things they don’t like. It allows us to dismantle the craziness by showing them how they react and using their own logic to expose their hypoc…
/r/MensRights17/02/19 10:32 PM
3

And then when they give the inevitable “fragile male ego”, you just say, so you’re invalidating male feelings? Way to perpetuate “Toxic Masculinity”.
/r/MensRights17/02/19 10:22 PM
11

She hits a lot of points that even I wasn't able to articulate properly and it's refreshing to see women explain how men feel about the situation. It's sad that these things will only be taken seriously by women if a woman tells them about it.
/r/MensRights05/02/19 04:51 AM
1

'Real Feminism' is about as real as 'Real Socialism'. There is this Utopian idea about how it should be, but in execution it doesn't work because it ignores the desire for power. They both focus on equality utopia, but forget that those in power rarely willingly let go of it, making true equality impossible. Both of these ideologies exist in opposition to a larger power: Men & Rich Capitalists in a quest for 'equality'. They require a boogey man to gather support. And when the tide of power turn…
/r/MensRights05/02/19 04:48 AM
1

This is highly interesting. My hypothesis would be that men have a positive coping strategy for short term emergencies and negative coping strategy for long term problems. And women have negative short term coping strategies and positive long term coping strategies. To highlight this: If you need to defend against a predator that is threatening your life or the life a loved one, you crying hysterically and freaking out will not help you or others survive. You have to focus and ignore your emotio…
/r/MensRights05/02/19 04:21 AM
2

I actually think the biggest factor that leads to disproportionate male suicide is not that men have to toughen up, but that women are allowed to be crazy. Women being crazy has been normalized and accepted by society. We are forgiving when women act crazy because it is expected. This probably has ties to the monthly PMS mood swings. Men on the other hand, are not normalized for being crazy and are more actively punished for displaying crazy behavior. This makes it difficult for men to be public…
/r/MensRights05/02/19 03:51 AM
1

Exactly! My common example is Terrorist Muslims. We were often reminded that not all Muslims are terrorists, which is the exact same arguments we are making about masculinity. Repeated negative associations lead to stereotypes, which leads to discrimination.
/r/MensRights05/02/19 03:35 AM
1

My best counter to this 'version' point is to bring us back to the debates about radical Islam during 2016. Today, the rhetorical arguments of why men get upset about toxic masculinity follows exactly the same rhetorical arguments of why Muslims got upset when there was a focus on radical Islam. But this time, feminists are using the same rhetoric of the Anti-Muslim side. Otherwise, why would the Huffington Post feel the need to write this article? https://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-alnatour/mu…
/r/MensRights05/02/19 03:23 AM
1

Don't get me wrong, I love debating as well. But she isn't trying to win an argument with debate, she's ignoring your logic because you just don't 'understand'. You're wasting your time because you won't change her opinion. She's not here to have her opinion changed, she's here to act intellectually superior.
/r/MensRights05/02/19 01:45 AM
1

So is her point that people don't fight for women's rights and that women are less lobbied for and have less rights than guns/gun owners? It's simply wrong. Her actual point is to intentionally use hyperbole to antagonize gun supporters by labeling them as misogynistic.
/r/MensRights05/02/19 01:39 AM
1

Don't waste your time with people like this. She won't be using logic to make her points, she is acting intellectual superior to absolve herself of critical thinking.
/r/MensRights05/02/19 01:18 AM
2

Okay, but here’s the thing. History is never going to change. So you’re going to have young men, like myself, who were born and grew up with the messaging of equality and supporting feminism and don’t experience nor affect the the history that is talked about. It seemed like the obvious thing to support equality and didn’t understand why other people didn’t. But then as I got older and started to hit my 20s, the messaging from feminisms & liberals shifted — it no longer became a message of equal…
/r/MensRights19/01/19 10:14 PM
1

You’re right and wish there was too because if we just start getting into awful things we do it would be much more productive than men are awful and need to change or women are awful and women need to change. The thing is though that people only ever talk about toxic masculinity so by bringing women also into the conversation it doesn’t become just a man hating topic. It’s like someone who has a dirty room complaining that you have a dirty room. They’re not wrong that you have a dirty room, but …
/r/MensRights19/01/19 09:11 AM
3

What he did was claim there is no toxic masculinity to counter your point, but he knows you’re going to say it exists as it’s a big talking point within feminism, so he then just assumed you would rebuttal with examples. He then began pointing out how there is also toxic femininity because you want to claim there is toxic masculinity. A common statement is that there is no toxic femininity.
/r/MensRights19/01/19 06:38 AM
3

Yep having a male role model definitely causes “toxic masculinity” 63% of youth suicides come from fatherless homes 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes 85% of all children with behavior disorders come from fatherless homes 80% of rapists come from fatherless homes 71% of all high school drop outs come from fatherless homes https://thefatherlessgeneration.wordpress.com/statistics/ ———— Story about how even juvenile male elephants who lack an adult male role model di…
/r/MensRights19/01/19 06:23 AM
2

Be sure to cite this as well: 63% of youth suicides come from fatherless homes 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes 85% of all children with behavior disorders come from fatherless homes 80% of rapists come from fatherless homes 71% of all high school drop outs come from fatherless homes https://thefatherlessgeneration.wordpress.com/statistics/
/r/MensRights19/01/19 06:19 AM
7

Next time you have a conversation with someone like that, reference this story about how even juvenile male Elephants without an adult male role model show “toxic masculinity”. http://thesestonewalls.com/gordon-macrae/in-the-absence-of-fathers-a-story-of-elephants-and-men/
/r/MensRights19/01/19 06:12 AM
42

I had this exact debate with my friend — the argument that gets made is because black Americans have been historically discriminated against, it’s not the same thing. Men haven’t been oppressed like the black community has. Which is correct, but. This means that the emotional reaction to the situation is the same, but the only way in which they are willing to empathize with the emotional reaction of stereotyping is if that group has experienced stereotyping in the past. Which means this isn’t ab…
/r/MensRights18/01/19 07:11 AM
2

Sure you can it smarter because it’s safer, but it’s not smarter if your only goal is to win big. You win big if you bet big. Thanks for that study though, I couldn’t find the part that describes what you were talking about.
/r/MensRights17/01/19 09:21 PM
2

Getting men to pay for drinks at a bar and then walking away, sexual provocativeness to get out of trouble, calling another woman a slut for going after s guy they like, pointing out if another woman is wearing the same dress as another occasion, a woman lying to get full custody of the children
/r/MensRights17/01/19 09:18 PM
12

And the biggest irony of that rhetoric is that the super wealthy are all people who took an immense risk to found a company. They are the 0.001% of companies that get it just right at the right time. Most entrepreneurs fail. Women typically avoid high risk situations.
/r/MensRights17/01/19 04:35 PM
1

Exactly, women demand these products that make them look more youthful and are advertised those products. Men aren’t asking for products that shame them for their masculinity — and Gillette isn’t selling that either.
/r/MensRights17/01/19 03:49 AM
1

Exactly, the whole point of posting these things is to help counter the narrative that woman = victim, man = perpetrator. By breaking this narrative is helps open up the radical idea that men are victims too.
/r/MensRights17/01/19 03:01 AM
2

I get where you’re coming from and agree this isn’t really gendered, but feels like old resentment from the campaign about “manspreading”. I’ll say I haven’t seen this rhetoric in a while, but there was a lot of rhetoric about men taking up too much space and crowding out women. This story is an example that taking up space isn’t a male problem, it’s a shitty human problem. Basically an example of the pot calling the kettle black and pointing out the hypocrisy.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 08:29 PM
9

Exactly, what women don’t realize is men will endure a lot before saying something. They’ll bite the bullet until it’s a serious problem. Women keep trying to encourage men to speak about their problems but don’t like the answers they are getting because it doesn’t blame “toxic masculinity”. It’s just going to keep growing. They’ll double down on this rhetoric and it’s going to reach absurd levels. I can’t wait to see more brothers join the movement.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 08:26 PM
9

100% it’s women explaining behavior they don’t understand but observe often with boys. Guys will look at the situation and say, ah they’re just messing around or give the actual explanation or thinking behind it. Women don’t understand the thinking at all so they just say it’s how boys think.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 08:23 PM
19

This is the most emotional ad I’ve ever seen. This is celebrating masculinity.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 08:18 PM
3

It’s too bad that they didn’t refocus on why she got so angry in the response to making a female ad highlighting women’s bad behavior because it perfectly explains why men are upset with it. He didn’t get to make the driving point of him bringing it up which is: It unfairly associates bad behavior with all women.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 06:00 AM
1

Shit...26 minute video. Any tl;dr?
/r/MensRights16/01/19 05:43 AM
1

An incredible amount of chastising for such a minor offense of giving undeserved praise. This is harmless in the grand scheme of things, especially juxtaposed with the amount of actual attacks on masculinity.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 05:42 AM
2

Agreed, but this certainly is behavior that is not unique to Ariana Grande and deserves to be called out.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 05:37 AM
2

Likewise. I do my best to remember that it’s not the end of the world if I can’t convince someone, especially if it’s over semantics. In the end, we are both fighting for the same thing — improving the messaging for men. We’ll take different approaches, but with the same goal in mind. No ill-will for a brother-in-arms.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 05:33 AM
1

I got it from a book I was reading about ADHD and how to encourage better behavior in kids with ADHD. It was talking about this exact phenomenon so I’m just re-telling what I learned. I thought it was rather interesting and thought it was somewhat related. You’re right to say that it doesn’t make it worse, I was incorrect. What I meant to say is that it’s not as powerful an affirmative word, and affirmative here doesn’t mean positive, it just means that it’s a word without a “not”. I think our r…
/r/MensRights16/01/19 05:29 AM
2

A moderate dem would be considered far right to them.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 04:46 AM
2

Whenever anyone asks me what Toxic Femininity is I always say the movie Mean Girls is a perfect example.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 04:43 AM
1

Giving a compliment or praise is an act of kindness. Here’s the thing though and this has been shown in studies time and time again. Saying, there is nothing wrong with being male, gets read by your brain as: it is wrong being male. Don’t believe me? Read this phrase: “Don’t think about an elephant” — — Now you’re wrestling with the idea that you shouldn’t think about an elephant or you accidentally start thinking about things related to elephants, or maybe you started thinking about. Certainly …
/r/MensRights16/01/19 04:30 AM
2

You didn’t answer the question, but you’re not required to. The intention of my question was to see if you would be willing to make an exception for your requirements if it meant that you would never be rewarded. If you did, it would be you see value in praise in and of itself for how it improves life. If you didn’t, it would mean your a person who would rather bite the bullet to remain consistent. It would tell me a little bit about who you are and how you think. Eh regardless, you are entitled…
/r/MensRights16/01/19 04:21 AM
10

But how does not comparing as a percentage mean that individual cases are a joke? Female suicide is nowhere near comparable to male suicide. Therefore is female suicide a joke? It would be like this: Post 1: “As a woman, I’ve attempted suicide and won’t buy this product until this company acknowledges female suicide.” Post 2: “LOL” Your reddit comment: “This is a joke because female suicide is nowhere near comparable to the amount of male suicide.” Congrats, you’re an asshole with a lack of empa…
/r/MensRights16/01/19 04:15 AM
1

Look, I’m not going to convince you. I admire your adamance about being only given what you work for. It’s a great perspective in life and will inspire you to work hard. Now this is a hypothetical of course but I want to ask you: Would you rather be given praise from random people for no reason, or would you rather never be given praise, regardless of what you do?
/r/MensRights16/01/19 04:13 AM
2

Sure I won’t disagree that it’s not perfect. I see him as someone who is high on drugs and goes around telling people, I love you. If someone went up to that person and said, Don’t say I love you to people or to me, they didn’t do anything to earn your love, I didn’t do anything to earn your love. Stop it. What are you accomplishing? Is it so tough to just accept kind words and move on? Why do you care so much? You can take his words with a grain of salt, but what if someone is so down in the du…
/r/MensRights16/01/19 04:02 AM
2

All that OP said is you are wonderful. You are wonderful for existing. You are wonderful for caring about men’s rights. This is positive messaging that is desperately needed in a world where negative messaging is dominant. Positive associations are needed to undo the amount of negative associations. If you attack the people who want to be positive, you will only be left with the people who want to be negative. Positive people care about how you feel, negative people actively want you to feel neg…
/r/MensRights16/01/19 03:53 AM
1

I’m sure you would much prefer seeing negativity around masculinity. Have we forgotten what being associated with positivity feels like so much that we attack kind words?
/r/MensRights16/01/19 03:43 AM
1

Because I am so sick of seeing constant associations of masculinity & toxicity that it is refreshing to see something that is kind & positive. Why are you so angry at someone speaking kind words? Has feminism made you believe that you don’t deserve kind words?
/r/MensRights16/01/19 03:40 AM
18

The Gillette ad says, here is toxic masculinity and what you should do instead. This ad says, here is why we should celebrate men and are thankful for them. See how one is condescending and one is positive?
/r/MensRights16/01/19 03:38 AM
4

I understand your desire for retribution, but be careful because they like to use examples like this for citing “brigading behavior”.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 03:24 AM
10

It’s so funny how feminist talk about how toxic masculinity silenced men from expressing their emotions, then when men express their emotions they call them fragile, or cry baby’s. Huh wow, it’s like you only want to hear about men’s emotions if they are complaining about other men.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 03:23 AM
4

If it was an actual fight with ill intent, parents would step in immediately. Dad’s would just sit on the side lines if they thought their son was actually in danger.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 03:15 AM
1

Better that than false negative reinforcement.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 03:01 AM
1

ITT: Guys who have become so uncomfortable with positive messaging and have been told so often that men are evil, that rather than thank OP they semantically dissect why OP is wrong. You guys are missing the intent of this post: it’s about changing the association of masculinity with toxicity, it’s about helping you feel okay to be male. Creating positive feelings about being male. It doesn’t have to be semantically correct, it’s about challenging your negative associations with your identity as…
/r/MensRights16/01/19 03:00 AM
2

It’s been studied that including the word “not” in front a word doesn’t stop your brain from making the association. By using positive language, you start to make the association. For example: Do not think about a purple elephant. Your brain then sees think about a purple elephant. If you said, Think about a Zebra, you would not think about a purple elephant because you would be thinking about a zebra.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 02:55 AM
1

Being special can take on many different definitions. Your life is something really special. Your ability to think, care about others, give compliments, assist those in need, these make you special to someone. You may not believe it yourself, but that doesn’t mean it’s true.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 02:53 AM
3

It’s okay, this is expected from men who have been told their whole lives that they are toxic or evil. They resent that women have been treated as special and resent the special praise. Thanks for your kind messaging OP.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 02:50 AM
1

He didn’t say you’re special because you’re a man. He said that you are wonderful. It’s not comparative, it’s not a better or lesser, it’s just positive messaging to you. Being male is a good thing and being female is a a good thing. This isn’t a competition, this is positive reinforcement.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 02:48 AM
10

Have you ever seen the movie Mean Girls? Toxic Femininity is basically that. ——— Have you ever spread a false rumor as a way to punish a girl or a guy? Have you ever used a compliment as an insult? Have you ever called a girl a slut, even though you yourself actively have sex? Have you ever slept with a guy to try to steal him away from another girl? Have you ever shared private information about a guys dick size after hooking up to all your girl friends? Have you ever used your sexuality to be …
/r/MensRights16/01/19 02:42 AM
2

The only to fight discussions of toxic masculinity to hold up the mirror and reveal their own ugliness.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 02:30 AM
14

Toxic femininity is praise for manipulating men into giving them gifts or paying for them. Expectations of being catered to and having their problems taken care of by others, by men, or by their friends to speak on their behalf for added strength rather than self-reliance. Expectations of needing to share their feelings, validate others feelings, and cater to others (basically being expected to understand each other’s emotions implicitly). Toxic femininity is requiring men to commit to them full…
/r/MensRights16/01/19 02:24 AM
1

It’s the only conclusive reason
/r/MensRights16/01/19 01:24 AM
2

ADHD is a neurological disorder that can be genetically tested for. I would love to see these studies that cite environmental & nutritional reason because everything that I have read says they are poor links. ADHD is still not fully understood, but it is something you inherit. You can display ADHD-like symptoms without having ADHD. And like you said, you don’t have to have a parent who has ADHD, but it will run in the family. The overdiagnosis of ADHD they found is actually more related to the a…
/r/MensRights15/01/19 09:51 PM
7

One part that really surprised me was the scene where the two young boys were wrestling each other...how is that toxic masculinity? Wrestling? An Olympic sport? Are they going to start saying that MMA & boxing is toxic masculinity? Then football? Then hockey? As long as the boys aren’t throwing punches and hurting each other with ill intent, there is literally nothing wrong with them wrestling each other.
/r/MensRights15/01/19 08:24 PM
2

We are an open sub so we’re not going to all think the same. Like the other comment said, there are traditionalists. But here’s where I do merit some of that rhetoric is that, like you say feminine & masculine qualities can exist beyond sex, but all we’ve done is flip the required traits. Now there is a push for feminine traits for men, which is also forcing an expectation and actively disrupts natural masculinity. Forcing boys to take on more feminine is just as bad as forcing masculine traits …
/r/MensRights14/01/19 11:12 PM
1

Can you please tell me which part of this article says feminists are the ones who motivated this law? I’ll save you time and tell you it’s not there. OP just threw feminists in the title because apparently they’re your boogeyman. I didn’t remember if this article was the one about the French law that is requiring mothers consent to take a paternity test. This part of the article: “As long as the man is named on the child’s birth certificate, or has parental responsibility, no permission is requi…
/r/MensRights14/01/19 07:28 PM
1

Let me say this upfront: I don’t think feminism is all bad. I think it is important for there to be a movement to look out for women. I’ve admired the movement for a long time and have been a long supporter. Women have full agency over their lives in the same way men do. I’m very proud of what feminism has done to build confidence and purpose for women. But, feminism is also doing harm and has no intent to help men. So men need their own movement to advocate for equality for men that so men are …
/r/MensRights14/01/19 06:56 PM
1

Would you like me to post the whole comment, or were there specific parts you thought were important?
/r/MensRights14/01/19 05:58 PM
1

But it can expose their irrationality, misandry and dishonesty to observers, thereby undercutting public support for feminism. This is an incredible insight. So we should remind ourselves that we are writing for other readers, not the person we engaged. This should be the top comment.
/r/MensRights14/01/19 05:48 PM
1

Well I see a lot of people in sub, myself included, engage with feminists to talk about male issues. The only reason we engage with them is because we want to point out their hypocrisy of not being about equality. But even this still acknowledges that they they have the platform for social change. It seems we only engage with feminists. That’s why I made this post, we’re arguing with feminists trying to get them to make room for male issues, but this futile. They won’t make room, they won’t care…
/r/MensRights14/01/19 05:43 PM
1

Sure
/r/MensRights14/01/19 04:34 PM
6

Because while toxic masculinity does negatively affect men, if we are only talking about toxic masculinity as a man you only have two reactions: you either accept it and hate yourself every time you exhibit it, or you reject it and get angry for being a man. My biggest problem with dissecting toxic masculinity is because it has real no definition. The only definition is whatever feminists or women consider toxic behavior. It only looks to punish men, not praise men. There is no ideal to aspire t…
/r/MensRights14/01/19 09:56 AM
2

Sure let’s dissect masculinity that is harmful, but what about dissecting masculinity that is good? Masculinity that deserves praise and emulation? We only ever talk about the bad things about men and why is that? It’s almost like feminism needs an enemy to talk about like any sort of socialist or fascist group? An enemy to point the finger to for all our problems. It’s all the same. Sure there are some aspects of masculinity that aren’t great, but the same can be said for femininity, but it is …
/r/MensRights14/01/19 08:06 AM
2

Feminism is about promoting equality between the sexes. Feminisms isn’t about equality. It’s about raising up female power with the goal to be equality, but once equality has been reached, the same driver remains — increasing women’s power. There is no desire within feminism to reach equality in things where women have the advantage. In examples, such as this article, it clearly shows this truth. Feminism can claim to help men, but it will never choose helping men over helping women, and this is…
/r/MensRights14/01/19 07:57 AM
2

Indeed, it was in this conversation of that I realized there is no point. Any attempt to convince a feminist is only acknowledging that they have the power of true social commentary. It’s a waste of time. It was in this discussion about whataboutism is what lead to me that realization. That they are trying to dismiss things we are saying by saying we’re just ignoring their issues. So then I wondered why, do we even try to engage them? Why do we bother bringing up these facts the them. It seems a…
/r/MensRights14/01/19 07:49 AM
2

Well said.
/r/MensRights14/01/19 03:42 AM
3

Exactly, this is basically the point if my post. Because feminism wants special rights & privileges for women, there is no point in men looking to feminism nor engaging with feminism to revise its behavior to better accommodate or acknowledge male issues. MRA need their own.
/r/MensRights14/01/19 03:33 AM
2

What I mean is, we’re always engaging with feminists and trying to get them to talk about male problems. Why do we engage directly with feminists? Why aren’t we engaging with normal people? People in power? One could argue the feminists are the ones in power...they have the power of being seen as the social commentators. It’s almost like religion. We used to look to the Church to offer its wisdom on social commentary. But we are the new movement, the counter narrative. We’re not going to convinc…
/r/MensRights14/01/19 03:25 AM
5

Here’s where I agree — feminism in its current state is a hate movement and it’s because there is no opposing force other than a conservative view of society. Feminisms has been able to charge forward with misandry because there is no balancing force. Differing opinion is shouted down and attacked. But feminism didn’t start that way, it’s just gotten out of control. We can no longer look to feminism to be the sole social commentators and brining up facts about how men are also suffering. That is…
/r/MensRights14/01/19 03:19 AM
3

I didn’t say it has to be obsessed with hatred of women & feminism, that’s how you interpreted my message. I agree that feminism is a good thing, but my entire point is that feminism brings the female perspective & MRM will bring the male perspective. When we are talking about changing male & female behavior we will need opposite and opposing forces in order to properly negotiate a balance between good male & female behavior that helps address both female & male issues. Feminism cannot adequatel…
/r/MensRights14/01/19 03:11 AM
7

“The Ministry of Defence tried to censor a documentary about the Parachute Regiment – for fear that it made members of the elite regiment look too aggressive.” Have we really reached a point where we are worried the military shouldn’t be intimidating?
/r/MensRights13/01/19 10:34 PM
6

For what possible gain would anyone get from him? I won’t claim that this is the truth because I have nothing to cite, but from what I gather just from my own observation with people who casually mention that they’ll claim rape, is it’s typically used to punish or manipulate men. There’s no punishment for false rape allegations, so you can use it for any situation you want to get a man in trouble.
/r/MensRights11/01/19 08:39 PM
9

False accusations imply that they were able to prove she was lying. That doesn’t imply that if they didn’t, it means she was telling the truth. The grey area in the middle where they don’t know enough to know what happened includes guys who don’t get convicted but should have been and girls who don’t get caught lying but there wasn’t enough proof. We’ll never know what these statistics should be because we aren’t omniscient. And the biggest thing about the argument about if a majority of claims …
/r/MensRights11/01/19 08:21 PM
1

So if they can include verbal threats of rape as attempted rape, can we include verbal threats of a rape accusation as attempted false allegation and include those in the statistics?
/r/MensRights11/01/19 08:01 PM
4

The thing is, comparing it to higher rates in Canada doesn’t imply that they should be higher in the US. The higher rates in Canada, which probably have different laws, definitions, and burden of proof, doesn’t prove the assertion that rates should be higher in the US. Because this doesn’t rule out false conviction due a more believed false allegation. Perhaps Canada is more willing to just convict people accused?
/r/MensRights11/01/19 07:57 PM
2

Wait you mean, they have to prove they are right? You’re just supposed to believe.
/r/MensRights11/01/19 07:52 PM
3

sToP vIcTiM bLaMiNg
/r/MensRights10/01/19 11:19 PM
4

The problem is, this comment is trying to say that these women aren’t practicing real feminism rather than actually talk about the problems feminism has formed into. No activistism to reform it.
/r/MensRights09/01/19 12:37 AM
2

Well said.
/r/MensRights08/01/19 11:29 PM
1

It’s not, but feminism is not a movement about empowering men. If a woman has advantage over men — say child custody is awarded 83% to women, if there is any pushback to equalize this, it’s fought hard by feminism.
/r/MensRights08/01/19 11:26 PM
1

I’ll respond with what I responded to her: The only thing though is that this “real feminism” doesn’t ever talk about how women perpetuate these problems as well. It’s typically talked about in a way that women suffer from toxic masculinity and that men suffer from toxic masculinity at the hands of other men. It still largely ignores the culpability and evil of women and how it affects men as a result of reinforcing antiquated social expectations. There is no discussion of toxic femininity. Ther…
/r/MensRights08/01/19 11:25 PM
2

Here’s where I see the big differences between MGTOW & MRA. MGTOW is less about dissecting and wanting to improve gender dynamics and more about abandoning it all together and forging something new because they’ve accepted powerlessness in media & politics. To me they represent the group of men who recognize toxic femininity the same as MRA, but don’t like to debate and aren’t interested in changing people’s minds. They also tend to dissect toxic femininity in the day-to-day situations, like whe…
/r/MensRights08/01/19 08:53 PM
2

My difference is, I view blue-pilled men as victims of toxic femininity and seek to help. I see this kind of compassion in this sub more often. In MGTOW, because it’s more of a life-style than a political movement, so they attack people who think that way because MGTOW doesn’t want that kind of mindset as part of their lifestyle.
/r/MensRights08/01/19 08:33 PM
22

Because their goal isn’t to eliminate discrimination in the hiring process — their goal is to end up with equal men & women and if it doesn’t achieve that goal, then they trash it. The crazy thing about all of this is they are trying to change work to be more accommodating to women, more flexible hours, more schedules so women can plan their weeks ahead. But work isn’t structured to favor men, it’s structured to increase productivity and generate wealth. That’s how business gets optimized. Custo…
/r/MensRights07/01/19 09:56 PM
3

You’re right, the more correct way to say it is the most privilege during that time.
/r/MensRights07/01/19 07:24 PM
1

Exactly, it’s usually just the immature guys who just game all the time so this is their only chance to talk to a real life girl. The sad part about this sub is there are too many people who are fully dismissive of any problems girls have, but I understand because this is kinda of a counter movement to 3rd wave feminism. But it does surprise me when I try to take a stance that acknowledges girls problems and people start arguing. Like damn, I just want 0 hypocrisy, not hate all females.
/r/MensRights06/01/19 07:44 PM
1

It’s the female to male ratio, which is 90%. I incorrectly called it 90% mirroring how feminists usually present the gender wage gap as 77 cents for every dollar. I guess I didn’t make that clear in my title. Women make 90 cents for every dollar in aggregate for the age bracket of Age 25 - 34. Which still includes the poor measurements that have been debunked in the “77 cents per dollar”.
/r/MensRights06/01/19 03:31 AM
3

Not to mention, girls joining the gaming scene is still relatively new. eSports stars are people who have been gaming for decades putting in 10+ hours per day. And have been in the competitive scene for several years or longer. Also “playing games” is different than pursuing leaderboards in games. I’d be curious to know the gender breakdown for those who play the samegame daily. I can guarantee women will dramatically drop in that category.
/r/MensRights06/01/19 03:17 AM
5

Well to be fair, in pretty much any competitive games, there is a smaller percent of girls playing, so when a girl in chat speaks then suddenly an onslaught of desperate dudes try to get her attention. Guys experience toxicity as well, but I know girls will get a lot more attention directed at them.
/r/MensRights06/01/19 03:13 AM
6

The dumb thing about of this stat is 45% of gamers are girls...but girls are not 45% of gamers who play competitive games that get into esports. The amount of people who make it to the top are like the 0.0001% of players. If the population of competitive games if a majority of dudes, who dedicate decades of their entire lives, with 10+ hours per day to the game, you know it’s going to be only guys.
/r/MensRights06/01/19 03:03 AM
21

Female privilege is age 16 - 30. Then they no longer get special testament because the girls younger than them now do. Now they know what’s it like to be a normal dude. No special treatment, have to prove yourself and go out of your way.
/r/MensRights05/01/19 11:37 PM
1

This is what happens when you get equal rights and equal treatment. The only thing next is to be completely catered to like a gf.
/r/MensRights05/01/19 11:29 PM
3

This is even using the same poor measurements for the "wage-gap". The women who typically complain about the "wage-gap" are within this age group. This still even ignores same education, experience, industry, title.
/r/MensRights05/01/19 11:12 PM
16

And they want to remind us because our dads and grandfathers used to have lots of cake so we don’t even deserve to get crumbs.
/r/MensRights05/01/19 11:06 PM
1

Yeah, it’s always better to just trust yourself. But you’d be surprised how good fakes can be.
/r/MensRights05/01/19 11:04 PM
1

I’m telling you what the reality of the situation is. Just like anyone who walks into a situation that could potentially ruin their life, they need to take precautions. Yes it’s not going to save you and you need lots more evidence, but getting a girl to communicate with you is highly important. In fact, the fact that you’re so angry about this makes me think you don’t have very much sexual experience. When alcohol is involved you have to protect yourself and communicate and pay attention. Yes, …
/r/MensRights05/01/19 10:39 PM
2

I also think if women knew that they can’t lock a man down financially by having his baby, they will more seriously consider taking contraception, morning after pills, and abortion.
/r/MensRights04/01/19 11:56 PM
1

It’s because the colleges want to control how much rape is reported on their campus. If it gets out that there were x amount of rapes at their dorms, parents wouldn’t send their kids to the dorms. They don’t want people to know how many rapes happen at their campus. So they have their own kangaroo courts to determine guilt to keep everything under their purview.
/r/MensRights04/01/19 10:27 PM
0

To your last point, sure there is plenty of sex that happens without explicit consent, but if a girl claims that she didn’t give consent and you try to argue your points, you will lose and it will be considered rape. Getting explicit consent is needed to fully protect yourself. You can also get explicit consent in different ways other than flat out asking. But if you want to protect yourself you have to be perceptive and checking in, otherwise you’re fucked.
/r/MensRights04/01/19 10:06 PM
2

One thing that terrifies me as a young man is my lack of choice over whether or not I have to be a father and financially support that child. The only way in which I can 100% prevent this is through abstinence, which is such an archaic point of view. If I want to be sexually active I only have a condom or I have to ensure that the girl I’m with in on bc. Neither is 100% effective & condoms dramatically reduce sexual pleasure. And women can either screw up their bc or be deceptive intentionally. …
/r/MensRights04/01/19 09:31 PM
5

It’s almost like the “patriarchy” is the equivalent of the religious “devil”. It’s everywhere and the cause of all the problems.
/r/MensRights04/01/19 07:48 PM
2

Yeah I think we’re on the course for a Men’s Rights movement. For us in this sub, we’re sharing our frustrations and sharing them with women and women are starting to wake up to it. However, it is difficult for a woman who is questioning it to enter subs like ours because they aren’t the victims of feminism and so it will have a jarring affect because some many men hate feminists rather than question them. It’s tough for them coming in here because they have been so far removed from it. And we’r…
/r/MensRights04/01/19 07:27 PM
7

This is the equivalent of saying if a woman got wet, it wasn’t rape — which has been categorically rejected. We’ve well established that consent that affirmative consent is needed to determine whether or not it’s rape. I’m so sorry that people victim blamed you.
/r/MensRights04/01/19 06:32 PM
1

The thing is though, would you join a site that doesn’t verify the IDs of the girls who join the site and you run the risk of going to jail because she’s underage, or would you join a site that takes care of that problem for you? If you could potentially go to jail, you definitely would want the latter. They could solve that problem just by verifying the female users, especially considering these sites won’t have issues with underage guys wanting to meet older women, nor will women face any actu…
/r/MensRights04/01/19 06:28 PM
1

Lol
/r/MensRights04/01/19 05:33 PM
3

Of course she’s suing, otherwise she loses. This isn’t a right vs. wrong, this is an exertion of power and trying to strong-arm the school to prevent proper allocation of justice.
/r/MensRights04/01/19 01:19 AM
13

I think you’re missing out on the whole point of this post. The whole point is that as a society we are quick to shame and label guys who are inexperienced and because men are the ones who have to do the pursuing and put themselves out there, men will be disproportionately shamed and ostracized. They are “pathetic loosers who don’t have the skills to talk to women” because they lack the experience to learn those skills. They are skills, they require honing and practice. Laughing at them for fail…
/r/MensRights04/01/19 01:00 AM
1

I agree, but don’t let these middle school tactics of calling you names get you upset, because then they win. You let them hurt you, then they will continue to use it. Rise above my friend. You get to define what you are. If they are blind, it’s not your job to convince them otherwise. Convincing a feminist that there isn’t a patriarchy is like convincing a religious person there is no God. Wasted breath.
/r/MensRights03/01/19 09:54 AM
2

It’s just the latest word to try to invalidate criticism. They only use ad hominem. In their minds, the only people who could criticize feminist rhetoric are incels/misogynists & women who have internalized misogyny. To them, by labeling anyone of the opposition as “insane incels” it allows them to stop thinking for themselves. It’s kinda of like how religious heads called scientists back in the renaissance, heathens and devil worshippers. It’s just a sad attempt to paint them as the enemy and a…
/r/MensRights03/01/19 02:13 AM
4

Hey man, you’re not a pussy for not wanting to share your true feelings with your female family because you doing a cost/benefit analysis of sharing those thoughts. You aren’t obligated to tell the world. This sub is a lot about sharing reasons why we should and talking about it, and ultimately giving each and every one of us the courage to do so. It’s not something that is easy to talk to and often times if we do, we get shouted down or judged for it. The best thing we can do is not feel like w…
/r/MGTOW03/01/19 12:58 AM
1

Oh I wouldn’t doubt that men will still out number women, which is why I was very curious to see that study. Thanks for answering that question about what the prison pop would be if men were forgiven to the same levels of women, but it would be interesting to learn if women were punished to the same level as men, what those numbers would be.
/r/MensRights31/12/18 10:16 PM
1

You’re right to say that men do not attempt suicide more often than women, and that’s because men usually don’t choose suicide options that allow them to attempt more than once. They typically choose a gun, hanging, or jumping off a bridge/building. Women will typically choose overdose. Something else that I think makes this difficult is also the difference in how men & women process and share their emotions. Men are taught to keep their problems to themselves and try to figure it out themselves…
/r/MensRights31/12/18 02:24 AM
1

The reason they do this is because they want to hide statistics from the public eye. They want to control the information and have complete power over it, even though this is the only crime in which they do have control. If a shooting happens or altercation, they don’t handle it, the police do. Why they are allowed to handle this specific crime is beyond me. Could you imagine a school shooter, and then they catch him and instead of going to the police for questioning, s/he goes through the colle…
/r/MensRights31/12/18 01:58 AM
2

A study in the UK found that if women were treated like men by the criminal justice system, roughly half of all prisoners would be female. This is fascinating, do you happen to have a link to that study?
/r/MensRights31/12/18 01:04 AM
2

Well it’s because we have to be careful, when Redpill got banned we were worried MGTOW & MR would be next on the list. Better to be safe than sorry to preserve what we got. But generally the mods don’t ban or remove comments, so we just try to keep in each other in check and have a discussion about it. Which is think is much better than ban hammering everything. People should be able to speak their mind, but we still need to tread carefully.
/r/MensRights31/12/18 12:51 AM
1

So it would be .64 x .185 x .2 = .02368 or 2.358% of all homicides are women killed by their partners....This....is.....outrageous!!! Wait, Isn’t that the a lower percentage than having a false allegation? Which is so slow low you shouldn’t even worry about it?? Right SJWs?!
/r/MensRights28/12/18 10:53 PM
1

Yeah that’s why I said 64% of X%. X being the percent of homicides that are from partners & family members, which like you pointed out is a really small percentage. And yeah when you do the breakdown you see that percentages are intentionally misleading to give the numbers a bigger number so it seems like a bigger problem.
/r/MensRights28/12/18 03:08 AM
2

Well technically she’s right that she didn’t say you can abuse men because they’re men. She saying it’s okay to abuse men because misogyny exists. Which is equally ridiculous. So using the same logic, men can abuse women because misandry exists?
/r/MensRights28/12/18 12:27 AM
2

By asking the sub, you are really just looking for the most upvotes to get a consensus. If there are many differing opinions with about equal upvotes, then it is clear there isn’t a consensus. Getting upset over semantics that result in the exact same results if he asked what do “you” think, is a bit much. He’s just asking a question. Your same point could have gotten across without using “outrage” tactics. Easily could have said, “I doubt there is a consensus, but I think x”. Or could have just…
/r/MensRights28/12/18 12:19 AM
3

Well to be fair, when questions are asked it is addressing the community of individuals and asking their opinion and upvotes which will reflect the most popular opinions within the sub. Think about /r/askreddit or /r/askmen or /r/askwomen. We know there aren’t leaders who speak on behalf of the community, you pose a question to the community of individuals to see the responses and corresponding upvotes. Which tells you what they think. I think it’s fair to use ‘Sub’ instead of ‘you’.
/r/MensRights27/12/18 11:52 PM
5

Exactly, most successful people are successful because of their network and access.
/r/MensRights27/12/18 11:28 PM
1

Actually it’s 64% of homocides by a partner or family member, of which the total is unknown. So it’s 64% of X% of 20%.
/r/MensRights27/12/18 11:18 PM
2

I mean I won’t disagree with the category of child abuse, but raising a child successfully is more than just preventing negatives. You also have to consider the positive benefits from two parents they are missing out on.
/r/MensRights27/12/18 11:06 PM
3

64% of X% of 20% of homocides are women. This is a serious problem!
/r/MensRights27/12/18 11:00 PM
1

Not necessarily — yes we don’t have as much data, but to suggest that a single father can do as well as a couple is ridiculous. https://ifstudies.org/blog/five-facts-about-todays-single-fathers
/r/MensRights27/12/18 10:51 AM
6

This was my thought as well. You know who they also give extended time for tests? People with disorders or disabilities. Hahaha.
/r/MGTOW26/12/18 07:37 PM
1

Huh I actually hadn’t heard that argument before. The one that I come across is that women talk about all the men who get away with crimes so it’s only fair men serve longer sentences — which is equally insane.
/r/MensRights26/12/18 07:14 PM
4

Haha I bet Elon Musk gets more hate than any woman
/r/MensRights26/12/18 07:10 PM
4

I agree, I find myself arguing against misogyny a lot more often then I used to on this sub.
/r/MensRights26/12/18 07:04 PM
1

“Outlawed discrimination based on race, color, religion, or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce; exempted private clubs without defining the term "private".” From Title II, so I think the exemption is for male-only or female-only clubs. But that section of a parking lot isn’t its own separate establishment, it is part of the parking lot as a whole. I also would say it’s a public accommodation engaged in inte…
/r/MensRights26/12/18 10:17 AM
4

You equated her to Karen and the badgers, and said her intentions aren’t pure, that’s a hell of an assumption. And even if it is disingenuous and purely for ad-revenue (very doubtful) it’s still good because these topics get more exposure and in the end is good for us. Your condescending attitude of “seeing the conspiracy” is laughable.
/r/MensRights26/12/18 10:04 AM
3

The only thing about the surrogacy thing is, I really think that a child dramatically benefits from having two parents. I think it’s tough being a single-parent, but in all honesty, I think this is the only way in which we can truly break this idea that women are the only people who can successfully raise children. But we have a lot of documented studies on how many problems children have if they are raised by a single parent. So I wouldn’t necessarily recommend this route unless it’s really rea…
/r/MensRights26/12/18 08:51 AM
11

It’s because they just look at the benefits, but they ignore the drawbacks. What they want is the benefits of both genders and none of the drawbacks — always wanting more and never being satisfied.
/r/MGTOW26/12/18 08:19 AM
1

I agree with your sentiment, however the data doesn’t support your claim. This isn’t for marriages & divorce rates. What conclusion this data gives us is a way to determine if a woman is willing to commit to you based on how many partners she has had. It means if you meet a woman who’s had many partners you should be cautious about considering long-term commitment. This doesn’t tell you necessarily that you shouldn’t get married, just that you should avoid women that have had a bunch of partners…
/r/MGTOW26/12/18 06:37 AM
1

Don’t they still know that you bought Bitcoin though? They will still see that as hiding money.
/r/MGTOW26/12/18 04:01 AM
3

I’m pretty sure he gets paid indirectly through shares. I know Steve Jobs believed a CEOs salary should be $1 and get their money via dividends & stock value.
/r/MGTOW26/12/18 03:55 AM
11

The best kind of unexpected
/r/MGTOW26/12/18 03:33 AM
52

I remember reading a thread awhile back about where a woman posted an askreddit thread about why do men enjoy going to strip clubs, and the top answer was actually really insightful into the quiet plight of men. To summarize, the guy said that when you go to strip club, the girls treat you like you’re interesting, they care about making you happy, and at least act interested in what you are saying. You don’t have to feel like you have to impress the girl and takes the pressure off of the normal …
/r/MGTOW26/12/18 02:31 AM
11

“It’s just slavery prostitution with extra steps.”
/r/MGTOW26/12/18 02:23 AM
1

lol
/r/MensRights24/12/18 08:39 AM
1

And I don’t disagree. But dialogue and conversation are the precursors to action. You have to organize, speak with like minded people, and create a marketing plan to get people to know why you are doing your action. There’s always dialogue along the way.
/r/MensRights23/12/18 05:34 PM
1

Oh, so what you’re saying is your opinion does matter? And that it is worth your time to try to convince me? Huh, you really showed me. Complaining and voicing your opinion like you think it can change things.
/r/MensRights23/12/18 05:32 PM
1

If your voice it so useless why even bother typing or speaking. Why not just keep your thoughts to yourself? No one cares.
/r/MensRights23/12/18 02:47 PM
1

Hahah man, if you believe that you must believe that your own voice has no power. You’ve clearly never have had a conversation with someone and changed their mind, or got them to think about something they haven’t before, or shared your needs and someone accommodated for your needs. It’s bad you feel powerless, you aren’t. Don’t give up.
/r/MensRights23/12/18 01:47 AM
1

Change does start with conversation...this sub? Talking to someone about your problems. If you don’t speak or write how the hell is anyone supposed to know that you have any problems.
/r/MensRights22/12/18 08:58 PM
2

And they will blame men for not being a good enough husband so women deserve the money men make.
/r/MensRights22/12/18 01:04 AM
5

You know, this article while flawed actually shows something to us that I think we are aware of and can guess that it would happen, which is the boys commentary on teachers favoring girls because “they have a better reputation.” And the part about the girl bullying and hurting him and saying he can’t do anything because she’s a girl. And the part about how they want to avoid dating because it causes problems and wanting to join an all boys school. But the later to me sounds more like they just h…
/r/MensRights22/12/18 12:59 AM
5

Ah, you’re right I forgot that part. She spends all this time talking about how feminism is infantilizing women and needing men to define their purpose, and then tells women that men define their lives and their purpose by women. I gotcha, I’m mistaken. Well shit, I wanted to like this article. But I do think this does more good than harm, it’s a step in the right direction, but not great. It’s shifting the narrative more internally.
/r/MensRights21/12/18 11:50 PM
2

I absolutely agree with you. I was more talking about your point about why you’ve heard women talk about this, but don’t do anything about it. The women who talk about it don’t have power and also are probably worried about being yelled at for betraying women. But like you, I’ve been hearing the same thing from women. They talk about it, but don’t publicly criticize it. I have a feeling many of these more sane women will become much larger advocates when they have sons of their own and realize t…
/r/MensRights21/12/18 11:37 PM
-3

Well just remember, that these women who are deviating aren’t in positions of power within these feminists groups. The leaders of these groups are in power because of their toxic ideology. They aren’t going to give that up. Change happens when new leaders rise. Power comes when these changes gain traction. This gaining traction is paramount to this becoming the norm. All social change start with conversations, then becomes articles, then grows in exposure, people agree & resonate with it, then p…
/r/MensRights21/12/18 10:10 PM
2

While I agree with your sentiment, I think she’s saying it in a way to shake up the mindset that most women hold, which is men are actively trying to push women out of the picture and don’t care about women. She’s trying to alter their mindset, and make women realize that men do want women in their lives, which most men do, and we’re just looking for every possible way to oppress them. She’s trying to empower women towards re-embracing the power that women do have in femininity, not talking abou…
/r/MensRights21/12/18 10:04 PM
3

This is fucking insane. I’m honestly convinced this is a joint partnership from both feminists and the religious people looking to punish people for getting divorces. Which is ironic considering they are polar opposites.
/r/MensRights21/12/18 09:13 PM
1

Huh, would be interested to read that study if you happen to remember where you found it.
/r/MensRights20/12/18 03:09 AM
1

I think men in prison are raped more often, but that doesn’t necessarily mean men as a group are raped more then women. I think it’s hard pressed to make the argument that this small subset of men can be argued for the larger population. Women are without a doubt raped more on population level than men, but rape shouldn’t be the only crime we care about. But it certainly is talked about as if it was.
/r/MensRights19/12/18 09:17 PM
1

Or a man can file a paper upon turning 18 that he doesn’t give consent for fatherhood unless otherwise explicitly stated. Follows the same logic of consent for sex — without explicit affirmative consent, you can’t have sex, so without explicit affirmative consent, you can’t force parental liability.
/r/MensRights19/12/18 05:30 PM
1

Women have a a long period of time to make a decision whether or not to abort. Men give consent to parenthood simply by having sex. Sure, it’s not the same because there’s no physical change for men, but there are significant life changing ramifications. For men there is no separation consent between sex & having a baby, a women has the decision to consent to being a mother. This is inequality for parental choice. This is punishing men for having sex. The religious right will never agree with pa…
/r/MensRights19/12/18 05:27 PM
2

It’s because they are socialists, who basically implement similar strategies to fascists. You’re part of the party or you get no vote or voice.
/r/MensRights19/12/18 05:01 PM
9

Evil man doesn’t stop helpless women from killing a baby and instead films! 10 reasons why men doing. nothing hurts women’s lives. What’s funny is, this headline actually showcases this reality: Society & Women expect men to solve their problems for them even when they themselves are the problem.
/r/MensRights19/12/18 04:31 PM
5

Exactly they focus on the small number as a percentage, 0.62%, to make it sound like it’s not a problem, but this ignores the actual number of victims because it tries to use 1 as the baseline for total. The study cites 1 out of 161 cases. Well if there are 50,000 cases that means there are 300 men who are falsely imprisoned. Another illustration, is 0.62% a small number? Yes? Okay so if we killed 0.62% of the US population, is that also negligible? Those 2M people are negligible, right? Small p…
/r/MensRights19/12/18 03:52 PM
3

They are completely delusional. The Rwandan government actively enabled the genocide and women & men alike encouraged violence and sexual violence mainly as a tool of humiliation. All this does is reinforce the idea of how humiliating the violence against women is. Which was the entire reason they did that. Wow, congrats! Ignores the face that women also had an active and particularly role in perpetrating the violence.
/r/MensRights19/12/18 03:34 PM
14

They always do. 800,000 men could die and that’s sad, but 500,000 women were raped that’s an outrage. I’ve asked a feminist what’s worse, murder or rape. She answered rape, so then I asked her, if a girl is about to be raped, is it better to just kill her before it could happen? So she then she tried to side step the realization by citing an extreme example of a girl who was sodomized with an extremely hot metal rod and tortured and then raped and left for dead. Said in that case yes, you should…
/r/MensRights19/12/18 03:05 PM
1

There is no wage gap, there is an earnings gap
/r/MensRights16/12/18 04:48 PM
18

Exactly, women have been dominating Biology & the medical science for a while. They just are not choosing to pursuing engineering & computer science. So feminists can just focus on that and say, sexism!
/r/MensRights15/12/18 04:35 PM
32

Yeah didn’t you know, as long as men dominate anything there is inequality. Next they’ll begin starving boys so that there isn’t an unfair “height gap”.
/r/MensRights15/12/18 04:34 PM
-1

Of course they do, most women power comes from social manipulation. Just be aware that this is how they do it and you’ll be able to resist.
/r/MGTOW12/12/18 04:28 AM
8

The want equality in things that men have the advantage, but don’t want equality in things women have the advantage — this isn’t about equality, this is just about power.
/r/MensRights11/12/18 11:03 PM
1

Pussy tends to follow the pecking order
/r/MGTOW11/12/18 10:10 PM
1

Well it is shown that men sort themselves in hierarchies much quicker then men do. Men size up each and establish pecking orders. It happens in every ape species and it comes down to competition over resources. As long as there are finite resources, men will compete. Fighting our biological nature will be a tough one, but I agree, it will be beneficial for all of us in the long run.
/r/MGTOW11/12/18 08:24 PM
3

It's definitely a crutch, but crutches are fine as long as you get rid of them eventually. Telling someone to throw away their crutches "because they should be able to stand on their own" before they can stand on their own is likely to do more harm than good. Solid point, so it’s like a transitioning phase from this validation. So you agree the ultimate goal is the same, you’re just acknowledging the pragmatic approach. Totally fair.
/r/MGTOW11/12/18 06:38 PM
1

Exactly, calling it the wage gap makes it sound like women are being paid less for the same amount of work — they are working less so their gross income is lower. They earned less because they worked less. They are paid the same wage.
/r/MGTOW11/12/18 06:21 PM
12

The only problem is you’re needing women to validate yourself. The biggest hurdle that men have to get over, especially in MGTOW, is that we are only seen as great males if we are able to have lots of sex with women. That’s needing validation from women in order to feel good about ourselves. It’s not healthy, it doesn’t provide long term happiness. You can have sex with 100 women, but if you don’t have sex with women for a year or two, then suddenly you don’t feel man enough. You need to have se…
/r/MGTOW11/12/18 06:16 PM
36

You know this mentality is the crux of fraternity values. To love other men like your brother. Take care of them and they’ll take care of you. That’s the kind of mentality we should have and aspire to be like.
/r/MGTOW11/12/18 06:12 PM
1

Exactly, for those of you who don’t know: http://judgybitch.com/2016/08/16/reblog-research-find-that-as-a-group-only-men-pay-tax/
/r/MGTOW09/12/18 02:53 PM
1

Also, don’t they give free razors to people that are required to be clean shaven? This is not the same thing.
/r/MGTOW08/12/18 10:53 PM
3

Exactly, and beyond race, lots of cultural differences. We’re a vast country with people from all over the world. We’re not going to all get along.
/r/MensRights07/12/18 07:41 PM
13

“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” - Thomas Jefferson
/r/MensRights07/12/18 06:45 PM
2

Well said. I think the other barrier to the conversation as well is this victim mentality that they focus on. By constantly perpetuating victim status, it makes women feel afraid. Feminists focus so much on fear mongering that they don’t stop and think about empowering women. It’s like they only talk about empowering to speak up if they get raped and tell them what the definition of rape is, but they never talk about speaking up during sex to express discomfort or no desire to have sex. They’ve …
/r/MensRights07/12/18 06:23 PM
1

Every subreddit will be filled with bias because it will appeal to a certain demographic. This is Men’s Rights, so it will attract more men than women, similarly feminists subs will attract more women than men, simply due to shared experiences.
/r/MensRights07/12/18 01:48 AM
1

It’s because feminism is predicated on painting women as victims and leveraging that victimhood as a source of power. They will always reframe a situation to reaffirm their belief that women are always victims. In history, both men and women know women were helpless against the strength of men. But as time has passed, strength has become less of a source of power. We have now switched to a society that focuses on helping the weak. So being weak means you get more attention. Because we try to be …
/r/MensRights07/12/18 01:42 AM
1

What bothers me about this historically women were oppressed rhetoric is uses a modern state of the world to look back on just social dynamics. They seem to forget how fucking brutal, intense, and the frequency war played a part into social dynamics. Women cannot beat men physically. In the past, it was imperative for your leadership to have military aptitude or to be surrounded by people who have military aptitudes. If you didn’t, you would be conquered. It wasn’t until modern guns were invente…
/r/MensRights07/12/18 01:31 AM
1

She’s also probably paid more than he is lol
/r/MensRights07/12/18 01:03 AM
23

Honestly I highly encourage her to continue to use this argument. It will diminish the value of the argument and make people who use it look asinine.
/r/MensRights06/12/18 11:58 PM
4

Exactly this. Schools butted in to cover their asses so that they don’t get reported to the public system and kicked out guys to keep them quiet. Imagine if a landlord conducted their own court cases for criminal investigations in an apartment complex. People would be PISSED.
/r/MensRights06/12/18 11:57 PM
3

Exactly, it’s not like they are going to change their view that white men can be victims.
/r/MensRights06/12/18 11:53 PM
3

You know, at least this helps open the door to society realizing that men can be victims. But if you do read the article, even though black students are only 4% of the student body, they make up 50% of the allegations. That’s heartbreaking discrimination. I’m glad that this will not only help with sexism, but also racism.
/r/MensRights06/12/18 11:30 PM
2

“The changes would also do away with the problematic “single investigator system” where the person who interviews the witnesses and gathers the facts also serves as the judge and jury — a method the California State University System uses for its 485,000 students across 23 campuses.” This is fucking insane. The investigators are also the judges?! Holy shit.
/r/MensRights06/12/18 11:28 PM
2

This clearly shows how society views white men; deserving of no protection. For some reason society believes that men deserve no sympathy or help. And they wonder why “toxic” masculinity exists. A deep seated expectation that men need to take care of themselves no matter their problems. Men are expected to be self-reliant and looked down upon if they aren’t.
/r/MensRights06/12/18 11:23 PM
4

Oh it’s comprehensible, they just want to have their cake and eat it too. It’s just completely ridiculous. It’s like wanting to be 18 to be legally able to do what you want, but trying to claim you’re an minor so you shouldn’t be held legally liable for being an adult.
/r/MensRights06/12/18 11:18 PM
1

Is this statement fine: “Muslims are terrorists.” I didn’t say ALL Muslims are terrorists, so I’m good right? Or: “Women are bad at math” I didn’t say ALL women are bad at math, I was simply referring to the subset of women that are bad at math. Also question, is the Men’s bathroom only meant for some men? Or is that meant to refer to all men? How do I know if I’m part of the group of men that are allowed to go into that bathroom? Should I clarify with the bathroom designer if I’m part of that g…
/r/MensRights06/12/18 10:06 PM
1

We should be well aware by now that there is no consistent logic. There is only one consistency: give women more power.
/r/MensRights06/12/18 09:49 PM
3

Communism is authoritarian rule under the guise of equality
/r/MensRights06/12/18 09:47 PM
2

Surprise, surprise manipulative girls taking advantage of desperate guys. This should be less a story of shaming girls for doing this and instead be a lesson to guys to standup for themselves and realize they are better than this.
/r/MensRights06/12/18 09:46 PM
4

Does anyone have stats on how much alimony & child support men paid out last year? I spent a lot of time trying to find these figures and haven’t found anything that shows aggregate numbers.
/r/MensRights06/12/18 09:30 PM
2

Wouldn’t the best of action to be getting a before and after video? Showing that afterwards she gave consent and had a positive experience. That way a girl has to actually communicate afterwards whether or not she was interested. Then it starts an open dialogue about the experience? The biggest problem is when girls withdraw consent without expressing that they are withdrawing consent. I think it would be most fair for guys to establish consent in the beginning, and if at any point the girl is n…
/r/MensRights06/12/18 09:29 PM
8

And this is why we need Men’s rights. They think men’s needs are less important than made up needs for an object.
/r/MensRights06/12/18 05:11 PM
5

Oh don’t you know, it’s always Men’s jobs to fix all the problems that women have as well as ease their insecurities. Women have no responsibility to take care of themselves.
/r/MensRights06/12/18 05:10 PM
2

Who cares what they think. They’re fucking insane. Let them cry out, they sound insane.
/r/MensRights06/12/18 03:30 PM
6

It’s because they dominate everything except the highest level of achievement. As long as they see any man in charge, they are going to claim sexism. Even if they then dominate the top of all levels of hierarchy and achievement, I guarantee they will then remind everyone how in the past they were discriminated against. They will use it to continue to sham men until they can break men. And when this happens, maybe men will finally wake up from this ridiculousness and start to believe Men’s Rights…
/r/MensRights06/12/18 01:51 AM
1

The amount of legal work needed to protect yourself from women stealing your money is ridiculous
/r/MensRights04/12/18 04:17 PM
1

This kills me man
/r/MensRights04/12/18 04:07 PM
4

Well they have really deep and intimate relationships because they’ll open up about their problems a lot more, but they burn hot and short. They soon start hating each other is something happens are if they don’t care enough about their problems. Guys won’t unload their problems on their friends and mainly focus on being good friends so they’ll last a lifetime.
/r/MensRights04/12/18 02:04 AM
1

Holy shit, this can’t be real. I have to think this was in a very religious state/county trying to punish men for not marrying women/premarital sex. Happen to have a link?
/r/MensRights04/12/18 01:06 AM
1

So you’re saying to allows you to feel more comfortable about the longevity of your relationship. So it’s just an easier way to feel more committed to one another, but isn’t it also equally uncomfortable to know if you or her wanted a divorce, it would incredibly financially painful in addition to the normal pains of breaking up?
/r/MensRights04/12/18 01:01 AM
2

Well I’m not advocating for a divorce, if you’re happily married stay happily married. I’m more thinking for the non-married, you can do all the things married people do without needing to be actually be married and link yourself financially to her. Not to mention. 50% of marriages end in divorce, so it makes sense to operate in anticipation.
/r/MensRights04/12/18 12:56 AM
2

Probably more related to more likely to drive with kids in the car = you’ll drive a bit less recklessly
/r/MensRights04/12/18 12:03 AM
1

So what do men have to gain from a marriage as opposed to a long-term relationship?
/r/MensRights04/12/18 12:03 AM
1

Unrelated, but I like how it simulates following the bright light at the end
/r/MensRights04/12/18 12:02 AM
11

Women always complain about the alpha
/r/MensRights03/12/18 11:53 PM
7

It’s because male hierarchies tend to not change very often and are more about leadership qualities and strength. Female hierarchies tend to be around beauty and that is always changing.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 11:44 PM
13

Hey men, all you have to do it just completely trust that we won’t fuck you over. It’s not like we could ruin your career forever and prevent you from ever working anywhere of meaning ever again.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 11:42 PM
5

Safely get targeted more easily by predators. I bet that the women who park at these are all ham planets looking to avoid parking further away.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 11:34 PM
51

Don’t tell them that the predators now know the car belongs to a woman which makes it easier for them.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 11:32 PM
2

Men used to gain a lot from getting married. They would be guaranteed someone who will give them children, raise them, and take care of the household. Now we do everything we can to prevent a child from happening without us planning and women aren’t interested in being house-wives. Now that women are in the workplace, which in my mind is totally fine and think women should be able to pursue whatever life they want, there is nothing to gain as a man. Marriage is a social construct designed to ben…
/r/MensRights03/12/18 11:27 PM
3

See and I would agree with you if everyone was a strict Christian and there are lots of advantages if you are a Christian male. But here’s the reality, even most Christians aren’t strict Christians, so this doesn’t work. So, I see your point and agree with you, but for a secular man like myself, not quite as relevant.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 11:18 PM
1

Of course! I argue with Incels on here and radical feminists all the same. Why can’t we just all love each other and find true equality. Things that are fair for everyone, rather than blame the other sex for all of our problems. We’re all shitty, so let’s all get less shitty.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 10:14 PM
1

Save the boobies apparently is better than save the testes. Heaven forbid a women loses her breasts and can’t breast-feed. But who cares if a man can’t father children ever again. You can get formula, but you can use someone else’s sperm.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 10:12 PM
2

I think it’s hilarious that wealth only accounts for 5 points. I’m sure Oprah would score very high for being underprivileged ...and yet she’s a billionaire. The Obama family would also score very high also...and yet are more privileged than 99.99% of people. Wealth and connections decide privilege more than anything else.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 08:57 PM
2

They are making statements that are true but equating them to sexism. Women think, wow I’ve heard these statements before. Men can also think, I’ve heard these statements before. But women present it as a gender issue and actually get the problem solved, while men the same problem are left out of the discussion.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 08:48 PM
1

Well said. This points out the hypocrisy and ridiculousness.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 08:37 PM
3

Dad’s Christmas present is paying to ensure his kids and his ex-wife have a nice home with 3 bedrooms while sacrificing his own living conditions while getting no thanks from the ex-wife or kids because he is expected to.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 08:20 PM
2

As far as the left / right thing goes, I (and possibly many others on here) think like a left-wing person and traditionally voted that way, but nowadays I feel like the left has abandoned its principles. Exactly. Always have been left leaning, but they began to vilify white males and paint them as their enemy, so I guess I’m not part of the left anymore? I thought the left was about equality and advancing the rights of individuals beyond race & gender, but it seems to no longer be that. They see…
/r/MensRights03/12/18 07:54 PM
2

Exactly, there are some points in the day, where my frustration from male injustice is just too much and I need a break. But this place is a good reminder that our problems are real and needs attention.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 07:43 PM
3

Well said. This is a sub about men’s rights If that’s important to you, perfect sub. If you want to talk about uniquely trans issues, this isn’t the best place to discuss. If you’re trans and want to share about your experiences about what it’s like to transition from male to female or female to male to offer a new perspective on how society unfairly views men? Perfect! The topic at hand is men’s issues and as long as it does, who cares about your background.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 07:41 PM
2

I know it wasn’t your comment. But you jumped in on my discussion where I was responding to that comment, so I encouraged you to answer so we can have a discussion about it. You know I’m trying to figure out the point of you debating me. Is it to convince me that it’s not worth caring about women? That there’s no point in engaging with women? That Men’s Rights should only be discussed with other Men without defending women in any way? Maybe you think I should only be engaging and convincing othe…
/r/MensRights03/12/18 07:22 PM
5

As with every movement, there are people on the extreme ends. There are feminists who hate men, and MRAs that hate women. Don’t let guys like this speak for the majority of us. Some are more bitter than others, but there are plenty of us that love and advocate for women when they are in the right, we just are adding a voice for the men who should be in the right but are denied help.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 06:55 PM
9

To add: Male mental health issues aren’t taken seriously Male suicide Lack of funding for uniquely male health issues False paternity Male domestic violence not taken seriously Boys struggling in school General apathy towards helping struggling males Discrimination of males in teaching and other female dominated careers Harsher punishments of males (men are given 3.4x longer sentences for same crimes that women commit)
/r/MensRights03/12/18 06:28 PM
12

We need to continue to remind them that it’s not a wage gap, it’s an earnings gap. Wages are the same, amount of time worked is not. Nor is the type of labor the same.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 05:00 PM
2

I was responding to this sentence right here: It would be much more advantageous for women if they went back to their gender roles (because men do a crap ton of stuff for women). How would you define going back to their gender role? And like I said. I’m very active on this sub, active defender of Men’s Rights, but also still admire and love women. Spent most of my time educating women on why Men’s Rights is a real thing and not just women-hating men. I intend to continue to prove that. If I defe…
/r/MensRights03/12/18 04:11 PM
2

In this comment chain, yeah it’s all I’ve done because I didn’t agree with the comment belief that a woman’s job is just to stay at home. So if that’s the topic, that’s what it’s going to look like.
/r/MensRights03/12/18 03:05 PM
2

This is so incredibly fucked up. We need to fight for you and others like you.
/r/MensRights02/12/18 07:55 PM
2

Not to mention, women have complete power over children. So anything that is discrimination against men when it comes to children by their definition is sexism.
/r/MensRights02/12/18 06:14 PM
2

Can’t you try to sublease? Find another couple that might want to move in?
/r/MGTOW01/12/18 05:59 PM
2

Deemed sexist? Lol it is sexist to not give the father any rights.
/r/MensRights01/12/18 04:42 PM
50

It’s like people forget why we have due process. Our founding fathers created due process because authoritarian governments could imprison people willy nilly without needing proof. We are a country that protects the rights of individuals first. That’s why we have a Bill of Rights as the first document they made right after the Declaration of Independence. They built a government and system of laws to protect you from false accusation. Cunts think they can circumvent the rule of law. If you have …
/r/MensRights01/12/18 04:14 PM
15

The worse part is, in some states the woman can just name the father and the father is on the hook. If you read further down, even if your the father, and the mother gives up the child for adoption, you will have to legally battle for the child vs. the adoptive parents. This would never happen if it was the mother. This is why we need Men’s Rights.
/r/MensRights01/12/18 04:11 PM
1

Holy fuck. This can actually happen? Woman just get to choose who the father is? Then I have to dispute it with a genetic test? HOLY SHIT. This is a serious Men’s Rights Issue
/r/MensRights01/12/18 03:54 PM
1

I mean it is evil, obviously. And we do need to call it ou, absolutely. But it seems like now that we are deep into race relations, “racist” is just used as a way to silence white people. If a PoC starts talking shit on white people, blaming all white people, hating on white people I just have to ignore it. I just don’t engage and walk away or just pretend to talk shit with them. I wish it didnt have to be that way. I wish we could aspire to something better, grander. Have some positive things t…
/r/MensRights01/12/18 04:05 AM
1

Huh, guess I’m misremembering something. So question: if my girl is pregnant with another mans baby and even if I’m not present, she can declare me as the father and I’m on the hook for child support?
/r/MensRights01/12/18 03:59 AM
2

Of course I’m going to advocate for women. I don’t need to hate women to be a MRA. Why can’t I support women and support men? I call out women for being misandrist and I call out guys for being misogynistic. How is advocating for Men’s rights mean I have to hate women? We are Men’s Rights Activists. Not Women Opressing Activists. That makes us no better than the goddam SJWs we hate. You think I’m against Men’s Rights because I know there are brilliant women who can do good for mankind? What, you…
/r/MensRights01/12/18 03:57 AM
1

Okay I think I get what you’re saying. This is all about the definition over “competence”. You’re saying competence as defined by comparing the degree of difficulty of competencies. Not individual competence as performing an individual job. Meaning it’s not that there aren’t competent women, but that there aren’t enough competent women to bridge the earnings gap. Which you’re right is the same argument. But this implies that high earning competencies are more difficuly, which I don’t think is ne…
/r/MensRights01/12/18 12:59 AM
2

Hmm yeah this is a complex issue and you’re completely right. But damn we never talk about racism and how to move forward positively, it’s usually racism and how it’s evil. I guess the way to explain it is: great people aspire to be like this, instead of bad people are like this. Clearly labeling people as evil who display any form of racism is just causing them to double down, so we have to try something different. We just have so much hate on all sides right now. So much divisiveness.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 11:53 PM
1

In the paper they showed that by giving girls positive bias (meaning they were more lenient about errors) by the end of the year the girls were able to perform at the same ability as the boys. They concluded that by scoring girls higher than they actually earned resulted in them performing better, showing that positive reinforcement improves learning. People like doing things they are good at. So the question is: what should be the goal of grades? To evaluate their ability or to encourage more l…
/r/MensRights30/11/18 11:20 PM
1

You are welcome. God I’m sick of these misogynistic dudes.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 11:04 PM
1

Exactly, but they aren’t quite arguing the same thing. Anon is saying that the wage gap is real and the reason for the 20% difference is because women are incompetent. Read further down the chain and this becomes more apparent. Master is saying the wage gap isn’t real, it’s just a result of different choices being made, not because women are incompetent.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 11:01 PM
1

Yeah, what I said is technically incorrect. What I meant to say was give marks to each gender as if they were getting positive bias.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 10:46 PM
1

I just don’t think that society would benefit from forcing woman out of the workplace. How many female scientists, or engineers, or business leaders, or teachers, or politicians, or doctors would we miss out on? Sure there aren’t as many women in these fields, but our goal as a society should be to encourage the brightest minds to innovate. And there are many incredibly smart women that do exist and who’s talents would be wasted on running a household. Not to mention, we’ll probably have alexa d…
/r/MensRights30/11/18 10:42 PM
2

Jeez, I’m so glad that you dodge that bullet. This is honestly my biggest nightmare and why I want a vasectomy. I’m young, got a good career, and the thought that a girl traps me with a child terrifies me. I told one of my friends that if my girl has a child, I won’t sign the birth certificate until I get a dna test with the child and she thought I was insane and asked why I would marry/date someone I didn’t trust. I told her, woman have the luxury and piece of mind that the child is their’s. Me…
/r/MensRights30/11/18 10:31 PM
3

This is a genuine question and I hope to be considerate as possible, but I really want your perspective: Do you think we can move past racism if we always talk about racism? If we always point out our differences of ethnicity and try to separate out ourselves by race? Don’t you think if we just viewed each other as human beings we would be able to move past things that divide us? Something that comes to mind is the thought experiment where it says: Don’t think about a purple elephant. Now you’re…
/r/MensRights30/11/18 10:23 PM
8

Holy shit. This is next level. Can we put this in the side bar? Also, OP care to share the link?
/r/MensRights30/11/18 10:04 PM
4

To start, I didn’t clarify that last point and I can see why it sounded like I contradicted myself, so let me elaborate. If a woman takes a year off of work and a man doesn’t, she is less competent because she now has less work experience. But that competency is a result not of her gender, but because of a choice that she made. The choice preceded the competency change, the competency didn’t precede the choice. A man can make the same choice and face the same repercussions, so this isn’t gender …
/r/MensRights30/11/18 09:38 PM
1

Haha love the analogy. I’ll have to remember that one.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 08:04 PM
1

It would be much more advantageous for women if they went back to their gender roles (because men do a crap ton of stuff for women). Okay this is simply untrue. This is presuming that women are unable to be stellar individuals in the work place. Women have contributed to bettering this world and telling them they can’t pursue their dreams is absolute insanity. The issue we’re facing right now is that women have been entering men’s roles, but men haven’t been entering women’s roles. There’s an im…
/r/MensRights30/11/18 07:58 PM
2

Okay show me the data that proves a competence gap? Because your argument is predicated on saying women are paid 20% less because they are 20% less competent. Got facts to prove it? Because the real facts show this 20% earning gap is a result of women choosing different jobs with different competencies, not women choosing the same jobs as men and showing less competency. Compounded by the fact that women choose to work less overtime (not a competency issue) and choose jobs with more flexible wor…
/r/MensRights30/11/18 07:45 PM
4

Not to mention, we only ever talk about sexual assault. There are people DIEING and yet that isn’t seen as bad as sexual assault. Women have a complete domination of what topics are to be discussed. By focusing on sexual assault it makes it seem like no other things matter and allow women to permanently be the victim.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 07:40 PM
1

Hmm thanks for sharing. It’s something I’ve been thinking about, but condoms aren’t event trustworthy.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 07:37 PM
3

Oh I’m not saying you’re divisive, you just reposted the article about spreading awareness about male suicide. I’m just saddened that race always a centerpiece of political discourse which divides the people who can relate. It’s less complaining and more wishing we could see beyond it you know? Can’t we all stand and look out for our fellow man no matter his ethnicity? It’s not your fault OP, good on you for spreading the awareness.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 07:36 PM
4

OP consistently posts stuff that is painting women as homemakers and not as competent in the workplace. He’s not arguing men’s rights, he’s trying to steer women back to antiquated world views.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 07:32 PM
1

They are obviously going to include these as part of the testing process.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 07:29 PM
1

Have you considered putting sperm on ice? Do you think the best bet for a younger dude is to get a vasectomy and save sperm for a future family?
/r/MensRights30/11/18 07:19 PM
5

It’s a male problem, I wish we were able to overcome race and just sympathize with a fellow man. Sure, middle aged white men are most at risk, but all men are hugely at risk. Why does news always have to be so racially divisive?
/r/MensRights30/11/18 07:17 PM
10

This guy is a clown. He is taking the statistic from the “wage gap”, accepting that it’s true and saying it’s because women are incompetent. Bro, it’s an earnings gap not a wage gap. This guy isn’t even arguing the actual points that explain the EARNINGS gap. He’s making the same conclusion that women do which is discrimination. He’s justifying the discrimination LOL. The discrimination doesn’t exist just like you mentioned. He fell for this dumb statistic like all the female readers do.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 07:13 PM
1

That’s what I hope is that we start to see how boys are getting way behind in school and we start to innovate and challenge the status quo. We certainly have no idea right now how to deal with it.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 06:23 PM
1

That’s my point though, men probably need to get extra energy out that allows for expression of physical movement and risk taking. School doesn’t incorporate that as part of learning. It’s a sit down, shut up, raise your hand structure. Like when I’m saying structured for boys I’m talking about a complete rethinking of how school can be organized and taught.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 02:57 PM
3

They included suspension and conduct warnings, so I think it was severe disruptions. But maybe didn’t factor minor behavioral problems so difficult to say then. So yeah it would be rather difficult to objectively asses and compare the two cases, because who knows how each country defines disruptive.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 02:02 AM
2

I’m convinced that condom companies and female contraception producers are actively fighting this from entering the market. Too much money to be made.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 12:31 AM
6

Exactly, men #1 rarely use pregnancy to trap women because they don’t get financial help from the woman #2 men don’t have an option like an abortion as a last resort. Men will take this shit. Also would women really make the argument that a man should have to shoulder the whole responsibility of contraception when this whole time they have been saying men who impregnate the girl were being irresponsible? Can’t wait for that argument to start happening. Women are suddenly going to be arguing the …
/r/MensRights30/11/18 12:30 AM
3

Oh god that thread was depressing. They were calling the poor kid an asshole for trusting his girlfriend would get an abortion if it came down to it. He was naive and irresponsible but I don’t get how that makes him an asshole. Poor guy, this is why we need male contraception. Shit male contraception should be a huge part of the Men’s Rights agenda. Equality in control over our sperm.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 12:19 AM
3

The effect of class behavior was a variable the study (OP posted) tests for and found it had little influence on outcome. The difference was a direct result of gender bias.
/r/MensRights30/11/18 12:12 AM
4

Something that is really interesting that they explore in their conclusion is: should marks be used to evaluate the ability of the students or as a motivational tool to increase the progress. This really gets to the crux of the issue. Because it is clear that men naturally perform better in math, but with positive bias that gap can close. Women would see this as a success, but it’s worth noting that they are intentionally keeping men behind in order to let the girls catch up. This means that men…
/r/MensRights30/11/18 12:05 AM
5

Something that stood out to be aside from the obvious bias was that 84.4% of all suspensions and conduct warnings were issued to boys. To me this shows that schooling is organized in a way that inherently favors girls behavior and actively punishes boys for not behaving like girls. I would really love to see studies that have been exploring how to create a school system that is aligns better with male learning and behavior.
/r/MensRights29/11/18 11:52 PM
4

The best way I’ve found to argue this is they usually talk about how there’s a small percentage of false accusers, I think a recent study the German police did found its 9%. They then say that means a majority of the cases aren’t false. But, we try people in court on an individual basis, for each specific case you don’t know if it’s that 1 in 10 or not. Does that mean you should pick 1 random case in 10 and say they are innocent? Then how do you know if you are letting a guilty person walk free …
/r/MensRights28/11/18 05:43 PM
1

I think it’s the same reasoning behind people donating on twitch/streaming services. People like getting attention and being acknowledged. It about the interaction and making it feel more real.
/r/MGTOW27/11/18 11:23 PM
0

And that’s why I think a really important thing that our movement can do is stop having debates about toxic masculinity and instead talk about positive or beautiful or prime masculinity. Talk about what we aspire to be rather than letting women tell us what we shouldn’t be like. There have been endless experiments that show when we are told not to do something, our brains just read the action and not the ‘not’ part. Like instead of saying don’t talk, say be silent.
/r/MensRights27/11/18 06:21 PM
1

All that matters is you know what you want and I applaud you for it. I just know I want to raise boys who learn from what we have learned to help change this fucked world we live in. I don’t want this knowledge to die with me.
/r/MGTOW27/11/18 06:39 AM
0

My parallel for this is trying to help feminists and people who talk about toxic masculinity understand why it makes men so upset. They don’t have any way of understanding other than men are getting butt hurt because they lack empathy for the male perspective. By comparing to the rhetoric of Islamic terrorism and not all people who practice Islam are terrorists is very similar to this discussion and shows how their rhetoric is no different than when people talk about Islamic terrorism and making…
/r/MensRights27/11/18 06:38 AM
2

It seems we’ve lost the real left and the real right. I’m as liberal as they come and yet sometimes I feel like Republican within the party.
/r/MensRights27/11/18 04:01 AM
2

Cheers friend
/r/MensRights27/11/18 03:57 AM
1

Yeah, I realized using the left wasn’t the best choice after posting but I didn’t want to just say feminists because there are far left men who defend the use of toxic masculinity as well. And I absolutely agree with your last point. I would say I’m a moderate and lean left or right depending on the issue. But overall hate this growing dichotomy between ideals. It’s starting to feel like fascism vs. socialism, where both sides want absolute power. But being balanced or reasonable seems like insa…
/r/MensRights27/11/18 03:04 AM
3

Interesting. I’m glad that due process is requiring us to delve into the semantics and redefine terms.
/r/MensRights27/11/18 02:56 AM
1

So you’re just banking on it being reversible? I guess I know at some point I want kids, but I want complete control over who I give my sperm to.
/r/MGTOW27/11/18 01:25 AM
0

Oh great. So did you freeze sperm at all? This was something I was thinking about is if anything goes wrong I want like four different places with sperm on ice just in case for the future.
/r/MGTOW26/11/18 06:11 PM
1

Do they even let young men get vasectomies?
/r/MGTOW26/11/18 04:02 PM
2

Also Jennifer Douda discovered CRISPR
/r/MGTOW21/11/18 07:59 PM
3

And that’s great and you should be and continue to strive to be the best you can be. I was talking more from a holistic society point of view.
/r/MensRights20/11/18 03:42 PM
1

I think it’s funny they praise masculinity from the time period that was categorically misogynistic.
/r/MensRights20/11/18 07:27 AM
2

Props to you fellow man. It’s men like you who give me up. And you’re right! This is a struggle against oppressive power, they want you to give up, and it’s on us to stand tall and strong against evil like many men have done before us. There is a lot of strength in masculinity and in these times we must draw on that strength. In each of us is a born warrior who can fight bravely and courageously like many of us have done before. Only now it’s with words. Don’t just do it for yourself but for all…
/r/MensRights20/11/18 06:53 AM
20

They think because men are out accomplishing things that are worth celebrating it means that we are applauding men as whole — no we’re celebrating the successes of individuals. People who pioneered and changed the world. Men aren’t allowed to celebrate the success of men as a group because somehow it’s sexist to be proud to be a man. But if a women does something it’s the pride of joy of all women. By disregarding international men’s day and mocking it, shows disregard for the men who are living…
/r/MensRights20/11/18 05:44 AM
4

Like I said, I can be very pro-MR but not like a lot of other policies of his. I’m not a single issue voter, I weigh many different things and assign a certain amount of importance to each one.
/r/MensRights17/11/18 01:55 AM
14

You can be anti-trump and an MRA. I can like some of his policies but not like most of them. I agree this is a big win for MR, but don’t act like this requires me to be a Trump supporter. You aren’t required to be a single issue-voter.
/r/MensRights16/11/18 10:58 PM
2

Fair enough. Just ad hominem isn’t the best route for convincing people. Practice a little empathy.
/r/MensRights08/11/18 03:05 PM
1

We might as well start calling us Hupeople
/r/MensRights08/11/18 02:01 AM
2

Ah yes, we can kill, torture, feed to the crocodiles, shoot hundreds of people, steal, and beat up, but heaven forbid people touch a virtual feminist. I doubt Rockstar will do anything, they’ve been targeted by the media countless times for encouraging violence.
/r/MensRights07/11/18 11:53 PM
1

Don’t become like the feminists where there is outrage over every little thing that paints their gender in a bad light. Here’s a reality, stuff like this does happen. There are men like this and it adds to creepy element intended by the game designers. There’s no point in trying to pretend like every man in this world is not a criminal or a crazy rapist. They don’t depict every man in the game to be a crazy rapist. They have a single character that is nutty. And, not to mention, in this time per…
/r/MensRights07/11/18 11:26 PM
2

Hey OP, plenty of people will disagree with you and that’s alright. I feel the same way you do and many people in this sub probably do as well. I’ve never resonated with the hate against circumcision. You’re entitled to your own experience, don’t feel required to adhere to every popular belief. We’re here to let men talk about men’s issues not force everyone to become a single mind. We can talk about men’s issues and disagree. Don’t feel like you have to change your opinion just because a handfu…
/r/MensRights07/11/18 11:09 PM
1

People are allowed to disagree with you. Trying to claim your argument is more mature and he needs to grow up reveals your own lack of maturity. We don’t all have to agree on every issue here. He’s here to share a differing opinion than most of this sub, and you shout him down and attack him. Does this tactic sound familiar to any other movement we generally oppose?
/r/MensRights07/11/18 11:04 PM
2

I really like it and applaud your bravery. In terms of your paper, it seems circumcision, while an important issue, doesn’t fit in with the other two. This is just my English nerd coming out, but I think to remain thematically about abuse by women towards men, it might make a stronger case about male domestic abuse or false paternity. They would all lend themselves to a singular thesis that highlights male suffering in silence at the hands of wicked of women. I imagine your larger point is show …
/r/MensRights07/11/18 08:29 PM
4

Besides the majority of legitimate rapists are not even charged and seem to manage just fine with perhaps a couple of hiccups here and there, even in the most highly publicised cases. Do you have evidence that a majority of legitamate rapists are not charged? Or are you referring to court cases that didn’t find enough evidence to convict someome to prison as is the case with every “legitate” criminal that doesn’t go to jail? They can only be legitamate rapists if they were found guilty because o…
/r/MensRights07/11/18 06:30 PM
2

If you’re going to make a counter claim and expect people to take you serious, you need to provide proof. It’s not on us to prove your argument for you. This is an article that is proof they found a 7% false rape allegation rate. You say it’s not true. Provide proof for your claim or we are just going to assume there is none.
/r/MensRights07/11/18 06:07 PM
13

No, because society puts a lot of emphasis on male only organizations to be inclusive, but don’t put the same expectations on female only organizations. For example, fraternities are for most part, aside from business fraternities, male only. There was a title 9 complaint that women couldn’t join fraternities. They cited the fact that on fraternity composites, they would put women on them for things like sweetheart, etc. They ruled in favor of the girl and now all fraternities that allowed girls…
/r/MensRights07/11/18 05:54 PM
2

I agree, I think people use misandry because they are just throwing feminist rhetoric back in their face. And the way they’ve opted out of it is just by saying women can’t be sexist. Not an actual argument, just a shirking of responsibility for toxic behavior.
/r/MensRights07/11/18 05:47 PM
1

Honestly don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. Sales is actually not a bad job like most people think. B2B sales especially, just no one gets exposed to sales because there’s no major for it. It’s great money that most people don’t really think about.
/r/MensRights06/11/18 03:10 PM
34

Just read this, one of their reasons is "better video games". What absurdity. Doesn't even explore the societies messaging to men that are harmful? The domination of women in the education system or the lack of support for struggling males? Glad things are coming out, but I was reading this article on LinkedIn and the comments are atrocious. Anyone who posted about the attack on masculinity are met with name-calling and "You are a misognist", "You are part of the problem." Obscene.
/r/MensRights05/11/18 08:22 PM
1

I don’t have any reference to give you because I’m on mobile, but apparently positive texts the day after have been tossed out as evidence disproving rape.
/r/MensRights05/11/18 02:48 AM
2

She played him like a fiddle. Now he can’t tell his best friend without he himself also getting fucked over in the process. The only way he can truly salvage it is come clean and share that she manipulated him just so he wouldn’t tell him. No guarantee you’ll be friends, but at least you did the best of the situation and the friend might forgive you.
/r/MGTOW02/11/18 08:04 AM
2

That’s because there’s no opportunity to make it all about themselves and how they support women
/r/MGTOW02/11/18 01:02 AM
1

They can withdraw consent at any time during sex. Agreeing to it initially doesn’t mean anything.
/r/MensRights25/10/18 07:29 PM
14

This will likely fail in the long run. Football (soccer) is one of the few sports where there aren’t any budget constraints to even the playing field. Getting the best players requires as much money as possible, so this will only hurt their teams potential for picking up talent, especially knowing that part of their salary is going to pay other people. The fact that most people seem to forget about women’s sports is that it’s not sexism that makes women’s sports not as lucrative — it’s about abi…
/r/MensRights25/10/18 03:56 PM
1

And by not making it hate crime it will embolden abusive women.
/r/MensRights19/10/18 11:16 PM
3

I think the best way is simply talk about the main issues that can garner empathetic responses. Don’t play into whataboutism. If you get into an argument about men’s issues I’ve found it usually turns into the women ignoring your point and bringing out a different fact of women suffering. They are trying to change the focus of the conversation. Just share your experience and how you feel about it and talk about how this is important to you. If you start throwing facts and debating them, they won…
/r/MensRights17/10/18 10:09 PM
8

I wouldn’t consider this sexual harassment, but expectations of men. Women will always ask you help lift or move things, and if you don’t want to, you’re seen as an asshole. “Oh what, is it too heavy for you.” “Fine, I’ll ask someone else.” Nothing wrong with needing help, but they don’t put the same expectations on women to help with any manual labor and they are insulted if you don’t offer help. Male bodies aren’t your tools for labor. Just because we can, doesn’t mean we want to. You know if …
/r/MensRights16/10/18 11:05 PM
2

The problem with this is when children get involved. For example, my parents got divorced and my mom was a stay at home mom for 16 years. My parents split and my Dad was able to build his career without having to worry about the full responsibility of raising children and taking care of the home. He was able to focus completely on his career, allowing him to do well. Now my parents became unhappy and split, but now my mom without 16 years of work experience has to enter the workforce. She is at …
/r/MensRights16/10/18 10:49 PM
1

“I said we’re superior on average” If you aren’t interested in the moment, then why the hell are you in a sub called, /r/Mensrights ? Know why you got downvoted when you were talking about men being better at something in a male-catered sub? Because your approach only hurts the ability to fight for Men’s Rights. Your comment only is used as fuel for feminists to show that we aren’t about advocating our problems but a way to shout that men are better. You only help their case, which further silen…
/r/MensRights13/10/18 06:34 AM
1

I’m just going to ignore the fact this study doesn’t prove your larger point about the gender differences for full adult men & women. See that superior mindset is what I’m getting at. It won’t get you or our movement anywhere. It will just help disqualify valid concerns we have as men. It’s not about being right, it’s about making these things important. And using statistics of small IQ differences from the female perspective just makes you look like an ass. It’s like someone who is 5’8, telling…
/r/MensRights13/10/18 05:58 AM
1

This study while helpful for determining intelligence at the ages of 7, 11, and 16. It’s not so helpful when the brain doesn’t finish developing until 25. It would be more accurate to see the same test for fully developed adults to start categorizing gender. A 2-5 IQ point difference is something but basically pointless. If you were to pick at random, you would have equally likely chances of a man being a dumbass as well as being a genius. You have statistically the same chance. So where you are…
/r/MensRights13/10/18 04:05 AM
2

You said on average men are smarter — they aren’t. Men operate at the extremes, so men are the smartest individuals and the dumbest individuals. Which doesn’t mean men are smarter, it means there are more smarter men. You can’t say men are smarter than women, because women can use the same argument that men are dumber. It depends on what part of the data you are looking at. If you’re talking about men as a group, you have to include all men. Men are equally likely to be smarter and equally likel…
/r/MensRights12/10/18 08:57 PM
1

I didn’t call everyone a troll, I called you a troll. If you’re blatantly misogynistic using incorrect facts, how do you expect anyone here to take you serious?
/r/MensRights12/10/18 07:48 PM
1

This is either a feminist troll or one of the guys on the 10th percentile of the average IQ spectrum.
/r/MensRights12/10/18 02:30 PM
5

The time where you’ll mostly be in trouble is when you are hooking up with a girl and alcohol is involved. That’s when you need to be the most careful and most conscious of your actions. Do your best to constantly check in if she’s comfortable, ask her for consent. Yes, technically she can’t consent if she is drunk, but plenty of people happily have drunken sex. But this is the most important time to constantly be checking in, and following up with her the morning after. Avoid having sex if you …
/r/MensRights11/10/18 06:22 AM
7

Well looks like they proved him right!
/r/MensRights02/10/18 10:50 PM
6

This is the equivalent of inviting a person over to hangout, then weeks later filing a police report saying they broke into your home because you didn’t enjoy their company....yikes
/r/MensRights02/10/18 10:48 PM
4

Hey man, just remember that you can influence those around you. Have frank conversations, try to keep it constructive, talk calmly about the difficulties you have resonating with the feminist movement. Talk about how it only makes you anger or feel ashamed to be a man. I’ve had lots of conversations like this with many of my girl friends, and you’ll find they actually agree with these frustrations we have. They are also starting to realize how toxic it is as well. It’s a good sign of young girls…
/r/MensRights28/09/18 05:48 PM
1

I’m trying to establish what we mean by machoism. To me machoism is unnecessary fearlessness or overconfidence in strength. Trying to be appear tougher than you are. In level 1 societies as you say, it was far more beneficial and in level 2 societies, it has no place —but I disagree. To say that machoism has no place is to say there is no benefit to appearing stronger than you are. So my question then would be, when is it important to be overconfident? When you are in danger. So as long as there…
/r/MensRights26/09/18 05:49 AM
2

But what exactly is Machoism an exaggeration of?
/r/MensRights26/09/18 03:34 AM
1

So it had benefits right? So do you think that it would have made sense for evolution to select men who exhibit more macho characteristics?
/r/MensRights25/09/18 11:27 PM
8

I agree. You know this whole movement is about redefining what normal is and rejecting anything that is normal. This entire movement is about helping those who felt alienated from standard norms to be accepted — which is awesome. But they switched their rhetoric from equality and acceptance into hatred and fear. They had to paint an enemy in order to unite multiple movements of acceptance into a single movement. They picked their common enemy as the white, male. As we continue to dig deeper into…
/r/MensRights25/09/18 10:30 PM
1

Would you say that Machoism has any benefits at all? Where do you think Machoism is actually useful?
/r/MensRights25/09/18 10:13 PM
13

You know, I agree with you, but I am hopeful that this will be the spearhead for the Men's rights movement. Because at some point the discussion of men giving consent for using their sperm to make a baby will start to become more relevant as cases like these start to pop-up. All we have to do is use the same rhetoric feminists use, which is consent, my sperm my choice. But man, I really hope that we can come up with a very safe, and reversible procedure like a vasectomy to protect men against st…
/r/MensRights24/09/18 07:26 PM
276

I’ve talked about this with feminist friends before, and they say this is never going to happen. I can’t wait until this whole angelic female rhetoric fails to explain the horrors that evil women commit. The female privilege of presumed innocence.
/r/MensRights24/09/18 03:29 PM
2

It seems like these people forget why we created innocent until proven guilty in the first place. Because if you don’t, the government can just jail people arbitrarily. It’s about safeguarding against tyranny. And for some reason feminists want to do away with that. Perhaps because they want to be tyrants. Not to mention, the law isn’t about statistics. The point is to protect individuals not prove some efficiency of incarceration rates. In the words of Benjamin Franklin, “That it is better 100 …
/r/MensRights24/09/18 02:30 PM
1

I agree with you. But what he means is there are multiple arguments to support LGBT sexual preferences. One of the most powerful arguments is that they are that way biologically, so why can’t you accept them? That’s been the most salient point. Then we talk about how they are both adults so why do you care anyways? He’s saying that people are using that original argument to advocate for pedophilia, because it is who they are. But you are right, because that doesn’t make it okay because it’s harm…
/r/MensRights15/09/18 09:40 PM
10

I mean this has always been a reality for men since the beginning of time. Women tend to look at the surviving men and say look it’s unfair! While many. many men died leaving those men to prosper. They forget the individual and just make us a collective.
/r/MensRights14/09/18 05:08 AM
1

...stop listening.
/r/MensRights14/09/18 05:07 AM
1

Well considering prostitution is illegal, and Trumpt tried to cover it, and is president, he should be held to higher standard. This is the guy that’s representing the entire nation. I don’t see how this is pussy pass denied.
/r/PussyPassDenied13/09/18 01:16 AM
1

It’s a stretch to say to smarter, but everything else is true.
/r/PussyPassDenied13/09/18 01:09 AM
10

Their issue is that they turn a blind eye to the reality that men are physically better than women. It’s a difficult fact to grapple with when they have been reinforcing absolute equality across the board. The best men at the high school level can beat women at the top of their sports. At some point we’re going to have to look at biology as part of these differing factors between men & women and physicality is the first place that it is obviously apparent. You can even seen the silliness of equa…
/r/MensRights12/09/18 07:55 PM
11

Men are taught to not complain, and women like to talk about their problems as a way to process them and often times expect men to help them with their problems. Whereas men are expected to take care of themselves. Men are not complaining loudly with their words, but they are by far and away killing themselves at a much higher rate. Men are told to stop complaining and suck it up a lot more than women are and so you won’t hear them articulate their problems unless they are looking for a solution…
/r/MensRights26/08/18 12:47 AM
1

Congrats on reaching this point of your life journey! I was diagnosed with ADHD at 24. It’s a long journey ahead, but you will be able to understand yourself finally. As men with ADHD we tend have difficulty managing emotions due to the impulsive nature of it. Society has a harsh critique for emotionally, unpredictable men. Head over to /r/ADHD you’ll find a great community that will help you realize you aren’t alone. Stay strong brother.
/r/MensRights28/07/18 05:42 PM
15

Well it all started with good intentions — helping women who felt too ashamed or afraid to speak out about serious assaults that have happened in their lives. But then it reached this point where almost no burden of proof was required for a woman to get a man kicked out of school or put in prison and so men were silenced everywhere because if they tried to fight it, they were viewed as guilty. So guys figured keeping their mouths shut was the best policy because if you speak out, you’re sexist. …
/r/MensRights12/07/18 02:50 PM
0

I mean imagine if a women’s only gym just taught women’s aerobic classes and a guy came in demanding a weight training class. No one would take him serious if tried to sue for gender discrimination. People wouldn’t say I wish she signed a waiver claiming she isn’t a trained weight training instructor, just don’t be dumb and ask for someone who specializes in what you’re looking for.
/r/MensRights12/07/18 02:38 AM
1

Signing a waiver to cut hair? Seems like overkill to me.
/r/MensRights12/07/18 02:31 AM
3

I really like your point about nice guys don’t claim them being nice should entitle them sex, it’s that they know they try to be nice humans and are nicer than the guys who seem to pull the most girls. This is something I didn’t realize was the most salient frustration I used to have as a young lad. I myself always did my best to be kind and courteous and was baffled that the guys who were blatantly rude and douche would have better success. So I spent a lot of time in my younger teenage years l…
/r/MensRights29/06/18 01:34 AM
1

The fault lies in poor communication and it’s why these conversations happen. When you use it as an adjective it attaches a description to the noun. If for example it was instead phrased as, toxic qualities of masculinity, I think people wouldn’t interpret it as an attack on all of masculinity.
/r/MensRights28/06/18 09:30 PM
1

Exactly, toxic masculinity can’t explain away all of our societal problems. There are bad characteristics on both sides, not just toxic masculinity and we have to be willing to analyze both sides if we are to ever challenge and grow in society.
/r/MensRights28/06/18 06:17 PM
1

His point is even though the toxic masculinity is used to define a certain set of characteristics, most people interpret it as masculinity is toxic. It’s fairly apparent in most feminist rhetoric. And if we’re going to talk about toxic masculinity, then we should also address toxic femininity.
/r/MensRights28/06/18 01:26 PM
1

While other options are happening, I wouldn’t say it’s a majority of people. A large percentage of the population has fathers and I don’t see anything wrong with taking a day to reflect on the work your parents did for you. Sure you can do that any day, just like we could celebrate ‘Murica everyday. But reserving a day that’s planned helps make it more special. Hell imagine if everyday you celebrated your birthday 1/365th of what you normally would. It stops being special.
/r/MensRights15/06/18 08:12 PM
1

I don’t disagree with anything you have said thus far. I guess the only thing where it tends to get messy is the fact that we are looking at this very quantitatively as if life itself isn’t finite. To give up 17 years from the age of your late 20s to early 40s can prevent you from entering many careers. These years are the most prime career building years of your life. It’s hard to put a value on sacrificing your youth so your partner can focus on their career in a way that would have been impos…
/r/MensRights23/04/18 04:29 PM
1

While I agree with you, there are often situations like my family where my parents decided that they would support my dads career and my mom would stay at home to raise the kids so that they could each focus. By doing so, my dad was able to move to Japan and back while having a wife who supported him and took care of the kids. She enabled him to focus heavily on his career and be able to make moves of advancement without needing to worry about my moms career pulling her elsewhere or needing to l…
/r/MensRights21/04/18 02:17 AM
3

Perhaps, but I do think LGBTQ relationships have challenged it a bit and could offer dynamic alternatives.
/r/MensRights15/04/18 06:05 AM
4

I think the most interesting part of the article was recognizing that women in Asia want to marry up or at least marry someone who is at least their equal. I think this also greatly applies to the West as well. Women generally want to marry someone richer than them and this is going something that will hopefully change over time as women have nearly reached income equality. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
/r/MensRights15/04/18 05:33 AM
4

It’s their ultimate goal: to silence. They always talk about women’s issues being silenced, but they’ve essentially just flipped it to silence men. I hope there will be a big back swing against it. We’re already starting to see a lot of prominent people talking about it, so hopefully a few leaders will be able to create a political backing.
/r/MensRights13/04/18 03:55 AM
12

I suspected a while back that men’s issues won’t be lead by men, but rather by the mothers of young boys wanting safety and protection for them as they grow older. The last thing mothers want is demonize their own children just to push an agenda.
/r/MensRights12/04/18 07:58 PM
2

And I agree with that fear. I've long wondered why we can't just not care about identity politics and focus on what we have in common rather than what is different. But there has been a long lasting rhetoric that has been targeting men in a very evil light and I guess mine as well as this point of this sub is pushing back against a lot of the feminist narrative because it ignores the reality and ignores the pains and problems that uniquely affect men. And that these problems do matter.
/r/MensRights14/03/18 02:13 AM
2

However, alimony is included on income taxes (I know this because my parents are divorced). Redistribution of wealth does need to be taken into account because even if a man is making more than a women, he won't see all of that money. For example, a banker making $500,000 a year married to a writer earning $50,000 could expect to pay $140,000 a year in alimony. source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/04/opinion/04harwin.html (Yes it's an op-ed, but it's just for a basic breakdown of how alimony i…
/r/MensRights13/03/18 07:12 PM
3

My overall goal of this post isn't about "gender wargames", but more about deconstructing where does money actually go, and does the wage gap accurately reflect reality. But my main thought was support payments are taking the taxes a large majority of men pay, and distributing it to women support systems. Which is in effect, narrowing the wage gap in a roundabout way. Because all that really matters in where money ends up, not how many hands it exchanges.
/r/MensRights13/03/18 07:05 PM
4

Something that could make it more accurate even further accurate is I just found out recently that when your spouse dies, you get to keep their social security checks after they die. Since women dramatically outlive men, this would be another metric to consider.
/r/MensRights13/03/18 06:01 PM
3

Well If you included this, you would also include male which would lead to a better adjusted comparison.
/r/MensRights13/03/18 06:00 PM
13

In society is it expected for males to make the first move, which is a basic example of dominance selection. Being dominant means having others accept your choice for them.
/r/MensRights16/02/18 08:15 PM
1

I agree with you, but what I mean is if there was demand for a men’s only space we would definitely get it. I just think most men don’t care enough to have it happen de facto. In the case of gyms, we tend to care more about the availability of equipment rather than seclusion from women. Business follows demand. Want change? Change consumer taste. In terms of governmentally funded institutions, I whole heartedly agree with you.
/r/MensRights15/02/18 11:20 PM
5

It’s because generally men don’t care if things are co-ed whereas women generally request non-co ed. Less a discrimination issue and more a demand issue. There aren’t any men campaigning for men’s only facilities/spaces.
/r/MensRights15/02/18 03:34 PM
1

This greatest idea I have ever heard
/r/MensRights15/02/18 03:28 PM
1

Not only that, but 79% of murder victims are male as well. #malelivesmatter
/r/MensRights14/07/16 07:55 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

© TheRedArchive 2026. All rights reserved.
created by /u/dream-hunter