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People often tell me that they don't get what I'm speaking about. It provokes thought though - meaning is relative. I'm accusing feminism and mainstream 'woke' social justice of being theology. i'm saying that they put empathy into a sacred role, for them Empathy is God, but they actually are way out of touch with genuine empathy. Instead they systematize everything despite the fact that you can't classify and order human lives like that. I wrote a thing here At this point following after reflec…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/23 01:14 AM
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I've written a longer argument here. People often tell me that they don't get what I'm speaking about. It provokes thought though - if I say incomprehensible shit then every person who reads it will interpret it differently and it can spawn like a cancer
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/23 11:35 PM
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That's clear from your post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/23 08:28 PM
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Clearly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/23 07:03 PM
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My arguments against the problematic parts of feminism are arguments against unilateralism, authoritarianism, dogma, taboo and censorship. If you are only coming across arguments against feminism that the feminists are willing to endorse, that should be a sign that there is something else happening outside of view. We need to have more genuine conversations about what it actually means to make space for diversity. It's not just about the control passing from one privileged group to another. My v…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/23 06:58 PM
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A recent season of the Aussie version of Survivor had an IRL narcissist, it led to one of my new favourite Survivor exchanges. Coming back from losing a challenge, one of her tribemates says, "Well, nobody here is perfect!" Her answer - "Speak for yourself!" 😂
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/23 06:38 PM
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No, they don't seek therapy, they kill themselves instead
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/23 05:53 PM
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I support feminism within a pluralistic system. I support people's right to identify themselves and speak about their lives from their own point of view, but I draw the line when a group takes its own standards of justice and starts imposing it on others. I am strongly opposed to unilateral viewpoints, or viewpoints that represent supposed diversity but that encourage conformity and adherence to dogma more than anything else. Too many people behave as if they are grandmothered into a position of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/23 05:44 PM
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That's really interesting, i understand better now materialism is used in this context. What comes to mind for me is that the materialist as you describe it, doesn't identify with the material, they identify with the mental freedom that comes if the material is taken care of. I don't mean any of this in a pejorative way, and when I say 'you' I mean a general sense "a person". An analogy - If I just had my mother to take care of me, I could be the man I want to be. I could pursue positive goals. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/23 01:51 AM
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The trouble, is that if the extremes are at 0% and 100%, still people are skewed, like two bell curves at either end of the spectrum. Someone like /u/VisceralSardonic will claim not to be polarized when they are at 80% rather than 100%. They claim not to be polarized on the basis that they don't support a new apartheid, but still they're clearly at one end of the spectrum or the other. The space around 50% is largely uninhabited and that's what I'm talking about when I say "middle ground".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/23 01:21 AM
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I'm still getting acquainted with Marx; I have a hard time with his use of the term materialism. If in a Marxist framework being strategic, disciplined and hard-working is materialistic, I can't shake the feeling that he has it backwards. I'm going to go out on a limb here into some etymological hand-waving. "Material" and "Pattern" are gendered words. They compliment each-other. Anything material is arranged into some sort of pattern, and any pattern is made up of some material. I say this as a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/23 01:16 AM
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I really appreciate the voice of support.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/23 11:58 PM
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I like the article you linked 100% right up until the last line... The universe is indifferent to your demand for justice, and will remain so until you bother to try to change minds. Nobody gives you what you want. That’s not how it works. Do politics. Think and speak strategically. Be disciplined. Work harder. And for fuck’s sake, give me a simple term to use to address you. Please? Because right now it sure looks like you don’t want to be named because you don’t want to be criticized. Think an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/23 11:55 PM
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I considered that, but I find it's too tit-for-tat. It would be too easy to just disregard altogether. Same thing is true of "toxic woke" though. I've changed my mind, I'd rather have it be something with some meaning just in the word itself. "Toxic empathy" would suggest even just with those two words that it's a specific concept, a specific thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/23 08:49 PM
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Please don't encourage people not to speak. Taboo is bad. A person's way out of ignorance is by asking questions like this one. Would you criticize a child for trying to stand, saying "well if you can't walk, why would you try standing?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/23 06:40 PM
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Yes. In my previous thread I was talking about how this is a fundamental part of the problem. It's a tension in the relationship between subjective and objective positions. Woke considers itself subjective, empathetic. They don't want 'woke' to be defined because defining something means putting it in a box, and putting people in boxes, reducing them to objects, that's a violation of empathy. Except, they are hypocritical in doing so, because they refuse to be reified, but at the same time they …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/23 04:51 PM
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This is the main thing. There needs to be a specific word for how people leverage empathy to put themselves in positions of power. Their ability to do so is specific to the Left right now. Toxic Empathy? In an earlier version of my post I literally used the word "weaponized" and I took it out because I thought it was too provocative. If people here can recognize that we are on the same page and come back with clear language and concepts about what the problem is, without just turning the thing a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/23 04:34 PM
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Heh, me I'm a lurker on the internet who hardly speaks to other people IRL. I'm glad to hear that people out there who have friends are having real conversations about these things! (Sarcasm, sort of. I'm very socially isolated) The middle ground needs its own terminology, its own theses, its own artworks, its own people with recognizable viewpoints. I would love it if there was solid ground there to stand on, rather than it being a tightrope walk between extremes. The middle ground is largely o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/23 04:25 PM
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That huge middle ground remains largely unexplored in the current polarized political environment
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/23 03:40 AM
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Another thing I say over and over is that we need new words. We need new 'isms'. There needs to be created new perspectives that can shed new light on all sides of the cultural divide. It would do a lot of good if there were a new group of people really pushing for "conservative values" like personal responsiblity, honour, self-discipline, etc., but without bringing along with it all the outdated and harmful social baggage. Change happens whether we want it to or not, history keeps on moving for…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/23 03:27 AM
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I don't know if you're trolling or not but this is such a bad idea lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/23 03:09 AM
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I'm a centerist, a critic and a progressive. Yea, I've been raised to be wary of conservative politics, insofar as conservative in its literal sense means to be in support of the status-quo. What I share with the left-wing voices that I am so critical of is a desire to move society forward towards something better. It's true that responsibility, trust and honour are conservative values and those are things that recently I have been gaining more appreciation for, both for what they are in and of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/23 03:01 AM
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Yes, I agree completely, especially the part about people not even having their terms defined. It's a conflict of contrasting world-views. How are we meant to sort anything out if we don't have our own language to speak in? If it's best not to call it 'woke' then what other words are there to even use? Social critics on the left need our own new structures.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/23 01:06 AM
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Yeah. There isn't much I can say in response to that, you're obviously right that this is what's happening. The difficulty is that these are the words people are using right now, there's an ongoing dialogue in society right now about these words and their meanings. People are trying to describe a toxic pattern in society, this is the word they've chosen for it. I'm trying to make a more clear definition of the problem people see. It's hard not to be resentful, it's something I struggle with. I w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/23 11:09 PM
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I've been struggling with how to best make that point. I'm saying that there is something unique about their relationship with empathy, that comes from the movement's roots. I'm saying, they put empathy and compassion forward as important core values, more so than other people, and that's what they claim their work is based on. If you disagree with them you'll be accused of lacking empathy. The difference here between the left and the right is that people on the left wing truly are getting away …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/23 10:41 PM
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Concerning your first quote - there's an 'and' missing from my sentence... I'm saying that these people don't recognize the underlying problem, and indeed they have their own coherent views about the world, but the issue is that the same disconnect keeps turning up time after time. Concerning the word 'pretending' - Indeed, I'll recognize that that is not the correct word to use here. I am saying, they present themselves as compassionate, they presume that they are compassionate, but they discri…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/23 02:30 PM
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Cool, that's a really reasonable reply to what I'm saying. Thanks for this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/23 12:20 PM
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Yea - part of my argument that I haven't really expressed here is that everyone has a different balance of yin and yang within themselves. Not just in the sense that one or the other is stronger, but also in the relationship between the two - for one person they might go along together mutually, or alternate one after the other, one keeps the other subdued, or their rationality and intuition could lose their connection altogether, or any other number of things. There are people of all walks of l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/23 03:55 AM
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I hear ya - and really, it's not too hard to get used to it if you just roll with it. If that's their minimum bar to be allowed into the room, then sure I'll play along - for now. Personally pronouns are not my hill to die on; I'd encourage you to put your energy into how to best communicate your ideas about social leverage. Because I agree with what you're saying. We need to develop our own language that will exist alongside theirs. I hope that you get where I'm coming from with this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/23 04:38 PM
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I guess this is what you get for arguing with ghosts
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/23 01:24 PM
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I can't believe the extent to which this is the pot calling the kettle black. Really, congratulations on doing exactly that in this entire thread. You've engaged with nothing I've said other than to call it meaningless. Tell me again how you don't understand edit: bam, all of this person's comments deleted. Above they accused me of running from my critics. This is what I get for arguing with ghosts
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/23 12:03 PM
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Great, let's try to do something positive then. Can you clearly define to me what it is you believe?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/23 04:36 AM
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I'll answer your question with another question - how is it, if 'woke' is not meant to be clearly defined, why do I need to be so? Why am I held to a higher standard than 'woke'? Why don't I also get to be an undefinable mist? The point of me speaking is to express my being. I refuse your taboo. I speak because I have a voice! What is the point of you listening if you are not even going to try to understand? This is the same pattern. Demand people define themselves. Demand that I make my point c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/23 02:03 AM
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100% agreed, we are right on the same page about this. DEI doesn't encourage diversity, it encourages nepotism. Sorry if I misgendered you, I'd be happy to have you join me in my heresy edit... it's really cool that we both compared this to the artistic process
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/23 01:49 AM
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The 'he' I was refering to was the man who killed himself that I was writing about. & I guess yea indeed not a guy if I'm refering to you. It's hard to keep track some times. The 'slang word for person' who was commenting sounds unhinged, lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/23 01:41 AM
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Look, I appreciate that you're egging me on here. I am also trying to communicate what I'm saying. I have autism, I perceive things very differently, and this is a special interest of mine. I'm speaking about really abstract concepts. You're sort of asking me to explain my spirituality, which is not at all easy to do. This is like trying to explain what is art, what is the artistic process? Big parts of what I am saying come from my own intuitive sense, and that's why it's so hard to communicate…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 11:07 PM
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I'm copying this here so people see it, this is from further down: Consider the Marxist concept of reification. I'm specifically talking about the conversion of the subject into object. I disagree with most of Marx's conclusions, but I like his premises. This is described in the wiki page as converting a subject to an object, in this case a worker into a commodity. But at a deeper level, resisting reification is resisting 'yin' energy from becoming 'yang' energy. This is when a person with their…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 08:24 PM
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Actually - I will add one more thing, because I do want to explain better and I'd rather end this respectfully. Consider the Marxist concept of reification. I'm specifically talking about the conversion of the subject into object. I disagree with most of Marx's conclusions, but I like his premises. This is described in the wiki page as converting a subject to an object, in this case a worker into a commodity. But at a deeper level, resisting reification is resisting 'yin' energy from becoming 'y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 07:39 PM
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It's about self-awareness
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 06:41 PM
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lol I know you are but what am I
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 06:39 PM
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Why am I going to bat for them? Because I find it funny. And because astonishingly things aren't black and white. This is not 'us' vs. 'them'. I thought this was about diversity, then you're going to put this other poster in a box, this person is bad and therefore compeltely bad. Your bias is starting to show more clearly now. You follow the pattern I'm describing - rigid beliefs and a negative attitude. I didn't have to look very far to find an example of that causing harm. It's not some weird …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 06:38 PM
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That wasn't the case here. Treat people with respect based on their work and ideas... Except not him, his work and ideas don't count. They're different, but not that kind of different. Guy you're replying to does sound kinda unhinged tho, lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 05:46 PM
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Yah. I kinda cringe at the quantum systems argument, but still there might be something there. I think time will tell. Newtonian physics changed how people understood the world, 21st century science may well do the same thing. We don't know if it's entirely probabalistic. What if things can relate beyond time and space, merely by resembling one-another... Is it really objective to dismiss this possibility out of hand? Maybe it really does go beyond the probabilistic, into new kinds of forces tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 05:41 PM
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Agreed that it predates Christianity. That's what it's associated with in Western culture though. Anyways, if you're trying to argue and I'm trying to explain, we're not going to get very far ¯\(ツ)/¯
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 05:30 PM
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Okay. If it doesn't make sense, then, it might just be that you don't understand. It's hard to describe these ideas. More than anything I'm posting here so that I can figure out how to better express all this. You're helping me by asking questions. Yin: intuitive, subjective, holism, emotional, fluid, time Yang: rational, objective, reductionism, categorical, solid, space The completely yin person is a lunatic, they have lost all reason. The completely yang person is solipsistic, who has lost to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 05:23 PM
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Yah. Dissecting the ways people think is definitely rationality. I'm talking about a science of subjectivity. From my understanding all of this has a lot to do with intuition. It's hard to explain, though. Intuition and subjectivity in and of themselves does exactly what you say, it is a different way of relating to nuance that indeed erases diversity. I'm arguing that we can look at it scientifically but also with phenomenology and that you can undo these paradoxes just by pointing at them. We …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 05:15 PM
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This is why we need to separate the discussion of thinking styles from the discussion of gender. I'm using gendered terms because that's how these topics are most often discussed today. I would love it if I could intruduce new language. Even calling them 'yin' and 'yang' is helpful. But still, all I'm saying is that understanding the difference between 'yin' and 'yang' is super important today.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 04:59 PM
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Yea, we seem to be describing the problem in similar terms, although we come to different conclusions. I would describe your self-admitted prejudice as putting rationality above intuition, which is a positivist perspective. From my point of view, you've put the things in the right boxes but I object to your claim that there's no value to the kinds of knowledge gained merely from human experience. You can definitely do engineering using only the scientific method, but I think you need both in ord…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 04:37 PM
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Yeah, I agree about the origins of the term to some extent. Wikipedia says it arose in Black culture in the US as far back as the '20s and '30s. The idea of mocking people by demanding they define a word that's defined as being undefinable, that's from the '60s. There's some agreement that the word roughly means 'aware', but even then people who propose definitions are still able to wave their hands and make absurd roundabout statements because the meaning is still fundamentally intuitive. What …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 04:24 PM
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You can't get past gender roles, any more than you can swap your arms for legs or start seeing with your ears. It's how our bodies work. It's in our hormones and our brain networks. The conflicts in society stem from people using their brains in different ways. It would be helpful if we could talk about the differences between the gender roles without having it be associated with people's actual gender.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 03:59 PM
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What I'm saying is the "rational/objective" vs "intuitive/subjective" distinction is essential for understanding the current political situation. Everyone has both rationality and intuition, what is different from person to person is the relationship between the two. Some people think rationality is more valuable than intuition, and some believe the opposite. These days those people tend not to like each-other very much... I'm saying that there is a lot to be gained by talking not just about "wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 03:43 PM
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I really would prefer if the terms used weren't gendered. My favourite terms are 'solar' and 'lunar'. Better branding. But whether you like it or not, these are real things people are talking about. I'm coming at this from a 'solar' angle, defining things and making logical arguments. If you're bringing more 'lunar' energy then the way you represent these things would naturally be different from mine. Fortunately we're two different people so that's not really a problem if you ask me. We just ha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 03:35 AM
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Yeah, I agree. It's a frame that they put on the conversation. Funny thing to consider - I'm also on the spectrum. The singular 'they' thing is funny to me. English used to have singular and plural forms of 'you' as well. 'You' was the plural, and the singular was thou. In French you still have both, 'tu' and 'vous'. Kinda interesting
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/23 11:59 PM
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Yep, pretty much that. I think the etymology is clear... Why call it 'woke' rather than 'ate', or 'shat'? I'm convinced it's from Christianity & the notion of spiritual awakening. Liberation theology was big then, lots of Christian influence in 'woke' morality. They are the ones whose souls are saved, they are indeed more "aware" and fortunately they're here to rescue the rest of us
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/23 09:22 PM
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It means people would like to know what category to put you in before even meeting you. I don't find pronouns all that offputting, but still, it's a Shibboleth
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/23 06:02 PM
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In the same way that moderate views about men's rights are censored, the same is true of more moderate feminist voices.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/23 12:35 PM
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Hey, well first I want to say that I appreciate your response. You of course have every right to participate here or not. I'm just some random dude posting here so, yeah... I'm an autistic person, social justice is a special interest of mine. The best I can say is that I'm an outlier. I wish people could see the connections. I feel like you're calling transphobia what I would call anti-feminism? I'm definitely very critical of feminism and that's in the roots of what I'm saying. But it's nuanced…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/23 03:14 AM
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this is also not r\menslib.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/23 04:38 AM
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I am also queer. I understand that people feel very uncomfortable with the things I have to say. I believe there are deeper undercurrents to the conflicts at hand and they need to be exposed in order for us to move forward. In what you've written, if I can say this with a respectful and open tone - what makes me feel uncomfortable is that you deny the "politicization" of gender and sexuality, but I haven't said anything against "merely exposing children to the concept" and I'm not comparing anyo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/23 02:46 AM
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"MRAs in my country (France) who tend to be part of alt-right and conservative." Thing is, that's what they say about MRA's in my country (Canada), too. But here I am, I'm a philosopher, I'm fairly liberal, I vote for the left wing party, and I care a lot about these issues almost entirely because I was brought up to care about social justice issues in general. But things happened that opened my eyes to the hypocracy and now that passion for social justice is pointed back at correcting the way w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/23 09:46 PM
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The etymology of "woke" is easy. It's from the Christian concept of Spiritual Awakening. Yes, I understand the origins of the term as a way to troll white people in the '70s (fair enough), but still it's rooted in Christian morality. Woke people are the chosen ones here to save the rest of us foul sinners. It sounds like you don't understand what the problem is, that's typical of "woke" people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/23 10:49 PM
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They discuss their name in the book. To me it sounds like their name could be some deep-rooted subconscious reason for their resentment. Also, Manley is non-binary... they say so at the end of the book. But despite what you might think of a person, still I'm going to respect the way they want to be referred to. It makes no difference in my life how a person wants to be identified, If pronouns are a distraction and a foil where they can get hung up on and change the subject about, then f- that, I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/23 02:50 PM
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I'm practising my writing, I'd like to know what people think of the style.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/23 03:59 PM
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Hey, could you briefly explain what Title IX is? I'm not familiar with this at all
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/23 10:04 PM
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It's not possible to have science without some sort of bias, at least not about complex subjects like gender. It's important that many viewpoints are able to exist, even if they seemingly contradict each-other.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/23 10:07 PM
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Just reading the two abstracts, Nathanson and Young are speaking my language. I have a lot harder time agreeing with Moxon, though - I'm very skeptical of a viewpoint that bases its validity on the fact that it is a "published science paper." Moxon is relying on supposed data and evidence, on "debunking" and whatnot, when those are attempts to use reductionism to categorize and label things. It's like making a flat map out of the globe - it's impossible not to distort the shape because you're re…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/23 09:58 PM
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Everything is biased, that's why pluralism is the answer. Many viewpoints. Feminist studies, yes, they are biased. Men's studies, yes, also biased, but in a different direction. And let's bring in some neuroscientists or psychologists or something, who are biased in yet another direction. Plus how about including some literary critics. And let all of them express their points of view. It's so valuable that both men's and women's studies exist because then by knowing about both we can get a bette…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/23 09:38 PM
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Keep posting positive content. I'm the kinda guy who believes that if you clean up your front yard, suddenly like magic a bunch of your neighbours will have clean yards too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/23 03:38 PM
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by any means it just makes it clear that people wanna learn and talk, especially our youth Sounds like a good message. If you'd prefer to tear people down rather than build them up, then more power to you I guess
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/23 03:54 PM
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