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Just assume that whenever someone talks about their asshole ex, it went both ways. Women who are sometimes nice and sometimes jerkish pick with men that are sometimes nice and sometimes jerkish, like humans tend to be. Then when they break up the woman goes around telling everyone about all his jerk behaviors, none of his niceness, and the opposite for herself. To you it might look like nice girls are choosing assholes but you shouldn't be taking what she says at face value.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 04:32 AM
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Relationships always consist of making compromises. You stay because the good parts outweigh the bad. The real qyestion is why does having sex daily, weekly, or even monthly have to be the expectation for a romantic relationship? That's the cultural norm right now and you basically have to take it else be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 04:07 PM
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I consider myself normal but our culture is so male centric and hypersexual that people would see my lack of interest in sex as abnormal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 04:00 PM
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Well I am not making that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 02:57 PM
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We are primates. I don't know why you think talking about fertility is wild. It's part of our biology. We are only fertile for about a week a month so why would we have a biological desire for sex ouside of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 02:54 PM
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For women like myself who don't like sex, it is something we give men to make them happy. We aren't doing it for any other reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 02:50 PM
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I didn't say that. I said it's natural for women to not want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 02:49 PM
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Well if you want to go down that route, most female primates only want to have sex when they are fertile which is a few days each month.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 08:54 AM
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Not really because all those people are busy making plans, having families, and living with their significant other. You won't be life partners with any of them. I'm not clear on what you are arguing. Are you trying to ask if a man would agree to life long, sexless relationship. I would like our need to not have sex be treated equally as important as your need to have sex, whatever that entails.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 08:47 AM
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I disagree. I think its natural for women to not want sex but they are pressured into being sexual to please men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 08:34 AM
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It's odd to me that you group all non sexual relationships into the same bucket. It seems you would think that a cashier and customer relationship is the same as having a lifelong best friend because sex isnt a part of either. So what is. Sharing a life with someone. Caring for someone and having them care for you. Working together to achieve goals that you made together. Supporting each other and having a constant presence in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 08:31 AM
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Yep, Male sex drive = good and natural. Female lack of sex drive = unhealthy and abnormal. That's what we are always told.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 08:22 AM
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Men do not try to reduce their sex drive for women. They pressure, guilt, and pester women into having sex with them, and when that doesn't work, they resort to other means. Sometimes men don't get sex when they want, but that doesn't mean they are withholding for her sake. I suppose they don't rape her, maybe you want credit for that? If you ask a man to take a pill to reduce his sex drive, he would be thoroughly offended. Ask yourself if you would do it. I already know you wouldn't. Zero men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 08:11 AM
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Social media is not a relationship, not even close. You seem focused on validation but that's not the only thing you get from a relationship and its not even an especially important part.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 07:59 AM
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What if women needed to have a sexless relationship to thrive? Or at least have a relationship with no expectation or pressure to have sex? Would men try to accommodate by taking pills and going to therapy to 'fix' their overactive sex drive as we try to 'fix' our low libidos. Not likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 07:29 AM
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The way you responded to the parent comment made it seem like you agreed with his assessment but I'm glad I was mistaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 07:18 AM
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In the more measured side of my brain, I know that men have a right to pursue their wants like anyone else. It's their right to pursue sex, but at the same time, I can't help being thoroughly repulsed and sickened by it. These men don't care about you. They don't even like you. They just want to take something from you so they can pat themselves on the back and then never think of you again. Unless of course they get horny and you are the most likely option.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 07:01 AM
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Yeah, I think this is common. I do this too. If this is what the men here meant when they talked about comparing the current to the ex, then I would agree with them more.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 06:46 AM
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You compare things when there is a reason to. You compare traffic routes when you need to decide which route to take. You compare apartments when you are shopping for a new one, or deciding if you want to renew your lease. Once you've made your decision though, you don't think about it anymore. The first guy is the ex, and the second is the current boyfriend, the decision has already been made and thinking about it further is a waste of brain space.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 06:38 AM
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It's just not something that comes to mind. It's not like we forgot, we just don't have any reason to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 06:30 AM
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I think this might just be a guy thing. Men are always comparing women to other women, ranking them on their bodies and faces, placing them on scales from one to ten. I think that this is even how Facebook started.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 06:26 AM
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Do men actually see the ability to have sex with women as a commendable character trait? If not, then what traits do you see as admirable? Why wouldn't you align your identity with those traits instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 05:55 AM
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It's not about money, its about being loved. Men use sex as an act of violence against women. They use sex to degrade and humiliate women. How can we tell if a man loves us? How do men treat the woman they love? Does anyone have a better answer to this than what FDS proposes?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 02:11 PM
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I like her. All her comments are on point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 08:09 PM
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Sometimes the men here argue that this is a fringe group and their views don't represent all men, and sometimes men say that all men feel this way. Which is it? Do you all only value us for sex and see us as interchangeable holes or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 03:21 PM
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Men also stop doing the stuff that women like later on in the relationship. Going on dates and spending quality time together usually dries up much faster than the sex does. If men can relax in LTRs, why can't women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 03:19 PM
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That was my assertion. Did you have a point or did you just want to nitpick?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 12:30 AM
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I'm not ignoring China it's just irrelevant to the overall point. There is clearly not a trend in feminist countries having a higher male suicide rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 10:29 PM
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Does it change my point? Do you care about the truth or winning the argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 06:06 PM
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They are separate things. White men get hired more than black men AND men hire their buddies or family over who is the most qualified.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 05:54 PM
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It's not
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 03:33 PM
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You are going to ignore ever other country just so you can feel right. Does anyone here actually argue in good faith?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 03:32 PM
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It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 03:30 PM
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I moved out at 18 with a retail job.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 06:35 AM
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You are being overly pedantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 06:34 AM
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Not really that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 05:56 AM
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So do you need to be 6"4 and wealthy or just not an incel living with his parents? There is a lot of men in between those two extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 05:54 AM
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You found one country out of the entire list with a small female lead and you think that supports your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 05:43 AM
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Go to Walmart.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 05:32 AM
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Tell me exactly what are the issues causing male homelessness. Alcoholism and substance abuse is my guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 05:05 AM
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Men don't supply their girlfriends with goods unless it's for her birthday. We don't fuck our boyfriends twice a week to get flowers once a year (and I never even got that). We do it because we want to make him happy. All women aren't on OnlyFans, obviously. I'm not sure how you can even say that in seriousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 04:48 AM
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Whenever this topic pops up on normal subreddits, men mention that male-male friendships can be overly competitive and that men just aren't as affectionate or empathetic with each other. So that could be a reason. But also this seems more like a case of 'there is nothing to eat' when facing fridge full of food. There is plenty there, you just don't want anything except pizza so you discount everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 04:41 AM
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More recent studies show the same thing. If anything social media has probably made women feel worse about themselves with all the filters, photoshop and plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 04:25 AM
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I think her point was that male suicide is still higher than female suicide in Saudi Arabia, not that it was higher than America. If you look at suicides rates per country, it's always higher for men. It makes no difference if the country is feminist or patriarchal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 04:20 AM
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This happened to me exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 04:01 AM
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It's important to see how men really think of us when they don't have a filter.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 03:48 AM
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You can give examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 03:43 AM
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Vague = bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 03:30 AM
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What kind of value are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 03:09 AM
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There is no between relationships with my friends because they have been with the same guy forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 11:56 PM
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Value meaning your company? I just can't believe this because I have never asked my male friends for anything. And I helped them move, paid for their food when they were short, gave them a ride. I never asked them for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 11:54 PM
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I agree but the act isn't for money. Its to make her boyfriend happy. If we wanted money for sex we'd have OnlyFans.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 11:50 PM
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My experience matches hers. I think the dating world appears to have a lot of promiscuous women because normal women are already in relationships and stay there for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 11:46 PM
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Women only expect things from you if you expect sex from them. I doubt your platonic female friends are constantly asking you for stuff. That would just be weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 11:40 PM
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It's an outside in perspective but so is men's interpretation of female sexuality. Women aren't thinking "I want someone better than me" either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 08:01 PM
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If you have seen pictures of incels, most of them are normal looking guys. They are also young and most wont still be virgins by their 30s is small. The percentage of women that want sex just for the sake of having sex is very small, even with Chad. Marriage is declining because religion is declining and there are less social pressures to get married. People are still becoming forever girlfriend/boyfriends, living together, visiting relatives together, doing all the marriage things but without t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 07:59 PM
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Men of all attractiveness levels have sex, relationships, and marriages. If you want casual sex you will have to compete more because the demand is high and the supply is low. For marriage, the demand and supply is roughly equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 04:30 PM
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The top men marry the top women. Average men marry average women but would prefer the top women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 04:20 PM
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That's not true if you look at dating and marriage statistics you will see that men indeed preferentially go for the top women, only lowering their standards for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 04:10 PM
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Women aren't going after top guys anymore than men are going after top women. The only difference is that men will lower their standards to just get sex and women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 03:15 PM
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Just calling it hypergamy is shaming women. (She wants someone better than herself? Who does she think she is, someone special?) Notice that men want someone who is younger, hotter, thinner, better hygiene, less slutty, and of a more desired race than themselves but no one calls this hypergamy. What we really should say is that women want someone more masculine than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 02:09 PM
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Do you guys not understand supply and demand? Women don't need to pay even with Chad because the demand for sex with women far, far exceeds the demand for sex with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 08:36 PM
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Equalize the unequal dating world by only responding to women that are more attractive than yourself...while women respond to men who are equally attractive. Indeed, there is some evidence that less desirable women are more likely to aim higher than less desirable men. This is only a small minority of women who message men first. Most women don't do this, where most men initiate AND message more attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 06:54 PM
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Well part of the reason it is so rare for men is that women don't want sex as much. Also why do men see this scenario as an 'opportunity'? An opportunity to what? Get dumped?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 06:49 PM
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You missed this part... The receiver analyses showed that both female and male daters have no difficulty ignoring requests from less desirable suitors. Indeed, women who receive messages that progress to repeated exchanges connect with men equally as desirable as themselves. For men, these repeated exchanges are with female suitors more desirable than themselves. Men initiate more but taper off messages unless the woman is more attractive than himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 06:46 PM
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Okay now all the rare men come out of hiding. I'm glad to hear it. I hope you get what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 06:33 PM
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Okay but I am a below average woman, not some Stacy with a million options. How many below average men would refuse a more attractive woman? How many men here actually don't have casual sex by choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 06:31 PM
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I'm proud of you lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 06:29 PM
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What happened to the guy's 2-4 relationships? Did he also not take commitment seriously? Is that is why he is not still with those girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 06:17 PM
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If he has the data, why doesn't he ever share it? I'm not going to take the word of some random guy just because he works for Hinge. Including a very left wing centric okcupid. No it doesn't. This is from the OKCupid Blog. To put a number on it, men are reaching out to women 17 percentile points more attractive, and women contact men who are 10 percentile points more attractive. This means that if a woman does nothing, her inbox will be filled with less attractive men. source
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 06:14 PM
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I never had casual sex. Not even once. I probably had less sex than all the men here whining about their lack of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 06:04 PM
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I've read that guy before. He's a manospherian that happens to work for Hinge. He never actually gives the source for his numbers .
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 06:02 PM
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There is no statistics here either, just a question and answer article.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 05:58 PM
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I didn't see any stats just a collection of blog posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 05:52 PM
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You don't even need to go that extreme. There would just be a lot more male prostitutes if the demand for Chads was anywhere as close to the demand men have for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 05:45 PM
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I mean comparing dating sites not in general. I don't think the statistics site you linked has any data for 2019, but I found it for 2018. Tinder is men's favorite and EHarmony and Match.com are women's favorites. https://www.statista.com/statistics/809443/us-users-favorite-dating-websites-apps-gender/
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 05:43 PM
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What were the percentages on your source? I couldn't really see from the picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 05:36 PM
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No we don't. I would be happy without ever having sex again in my life. I've had attractive popular guys who were out of my league try to initiate something with me and I backed off immediately because I wasn't interested. How many men would refuse an attractive woman who was coming onto him? My guess is zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 05:36 PM
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I hate and mistrust men by default, but I still like individual men who are exceptions to what I described above.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 05:29 PM
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We've already established that. Women expect that he wants them for sex, that's a given. We want something in addition to this. Are you saying that men ONLY value women for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 05:27 PM
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I mean I agree but your graphs are no better. In 2016 CMB is 57% female compared to Tinder which is 43% according to this source.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 05:25 PM
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I am on mobile and can't find the original source, but here is an article talking about it. Link Researchers used eye tracking technology to follow people’s eye movements as they perused online profiles. The results show that men spend 65 percent more time looking at photos than women. Women, on the other hand, spent 50 percent more time than men actually reading the profiles. Women spent an average of 84 seconds looking at a profile to find out if the profile was to their liking, compared to 58…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 05:17 PM
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Because men only want us for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 04:45 PM
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FDS is for recovering pickmes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 04:44 PM
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Actually, studies show that women spend more time reading profiles and that profiles with longer profiles do better. Women prefer dating sites that have profiles like Bumble and CMB to Tinder, which is heavily skewed male.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 04:44 PM
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All you need to do is listen to how men and women brag about their dating lives. For men it's "I bagged this 9/10". For women it's "he treats me so well!"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 04:11 PM
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Women don't find photos of men arousing. This is just a consequence of women being less visual, e.g. less shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 04:09 PM
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Most of the women here are in happy relationships. Most of the men here are either single or bitch about their wives/girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 04:05 PM
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It is not unequal, you just don't see the other side. I put a lot of work into my relationships, but never have expected anything in return. Like none of my boyfriends ever had to do a single chore, take me out on a single date, or even get me a valentine's day present (I would buy them a video game or something else they wanted just the same). They didn't even have to get off the couch to put their dish in the sink so I could wash it. I would hand them a plate full of home cooked food (whatever…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 03:54 PM
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Yeah, there was the sex tape but she was also the original instagram model that all the other girls tried to copy. Now it's shifted to her sister, but she was first.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 03:40 PM
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You have better character than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 03:35 PM
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How would suggest we find a man who likes us for reasons other than sex? I'm open to new ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 03:30 PM
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At least we recognize that some men are decent. If you pay attention you will see that we define a HVM based on how he treats us, not how hot or rich he is. FDS brag about how great their boyfriends/husbands are. TRP just bashes all women, even their own wives and girlfriends. You don't even have a chance to be good according to TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 03:29 PM
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I am FDS and a misandrist. So? I don't know how you can see how men talk anonymously and not hate them. They only see us as holes to fuck and validate their egos. At best they treat us decent during the 5 years of our lives that makes their penis the hardest. If we actually give them want the want we are branded as sluts. They want to take away our rights and force us to fuck them. If we don't they threaten rape or say they will go ER on us (kill us). How can I read stuff like this and not hate …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 03:26 PM
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I don't want to be wanted for ONLY sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 03:19 PM
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Well Kayne married Kim. I actually think HVM (defined by society, not me) have less hang ups about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 03:11 PM
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That's still better than only doing the bare minimum to fuck me. I should say that I don't actually like or want men to spend money on me. I am more of a quality time spent together kind of person. But seeing how men are more than willing to dump resources into women they actually like and lust after, without even getting sex in return, I understand why women want this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 03:10 PM
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Who agrees to that? I have never thought that about any man I've ever dated. Since women do not want just any man, then it becomes very difficult to replace him. given that women are most likely to start divorce, This is true but when men do initiate divorce they are more likely to list the reason as "loss of love". Also, the longer the marriages lasts, the less likely the woman is to divorce the man. For men, they are more likely to initiate the divorce the longer the relationship lasts. They a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 03:05 PM
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I think that being made to feel special is all that's required as long as she is attracted to him. If she is not attracted to him then there is nothing she can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 02:54 PM
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Why do you think we wouldn't also treat our boyfriends as special?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 05:08 AM
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I know what it means obviously. Im starting to think you don't though since you can't give me a direct answer. Incels make the argument that women treat LVM as second class citizens since they won't fuck them, so I was guessing that's what you were trying to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 04:59 AM
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I'm not playing dumb. I'm asking you explicitly what you mean by "second class citizens" and you can't answer me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 04:47 AM
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Are LVM men not allowed to sit at the front of a bus? Do they have separate drinking fountains?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 04:36 AM
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Being wanted for sex? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 03:45 AM
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No I don't actually. What does it mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 03:44 AM
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That's expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 02:36 AM
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Men will fuck just about any woman but it doesn't mean he likes her. Men don't spend a lot of time, effort, or money on women they don't like. We want to be the woman he likes, not the woman he fucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 01:46 AM
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That is just an example of men giving money to women that they adore even without having sex with her. They give them huge donations and buy their bathwater for hundreds of dollars just to have a little piece of her. This isn't money to see her nude. That's already available online.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 01:42 AM
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If he spends a lot of time with me without the possibility of sex then he likes spending time with me. That's two sources of value. He likes spending time with me and he likes me for sex. That's preferable to only one source of value, sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 01:35 AM
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Can men stop the hamstering and admit that younger women are just more arousing to them? Its so stupid. When you choose your same sex friends you don't patrol around younger guys so you can be there for him during his "critical period". You pick men your own age because that's who you have most in common with. The ONLY reason you don't choose women your same age is you think younger women are hotter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 01:28 AM
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It's more like getting 100 job offers which sounds great but 99% of them are scams or MLMs. This is the 99% of men that act interested in us but really just want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 01:24 AM
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Men have sex with women they don't like, even women they don't find attractive. There is nothing validating about a man wanting to fuck you, it's insulting more than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 01:15 AM
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It would also mean that 80% if the sex was being had by 20% if the woman. So men are all competing for the top 20% most promiscuous women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 10:31 PM
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All evidence points against this. There was a study where an attractive man approached women for sex and an attractive woman approached men for sex. 80% of men said yes to the attractive woman and only 2% of women said yes to the attractive man. Another study measured happiness in marriage as a function of spouse's attractiveness. Men were more happy if they had a spouse hotter than them, but women were no more happy if their spouse was hotter than. Another study looked at female physical arousa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 08:04 PM
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You are more special than the women who he didn't throw money at. He at least thinks you are beautiful which is a form of special. If that's not special enough you can always add additional criteria to determine how he feels about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 07:53 PM
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Men will expect sex eventually either way. Players and guys who just want to have sex as quickly as possible won't invest a lot of time or money into one girl, because they play the numbers game usually. The goal is to eliminate these men. By the way, what is love to you? Something I give to a man by caring for him and trying to make him happy at my own expense.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 07:41 PM
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No it doesn't. It eliminates men who see you as not special.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 07:28 PM
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If he's spending money on every beautiful woman he is exposed to but not you, then it means he doesn't think you are beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 07:11 PM
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Well usually there is no reason to bring it up but since I read both subreddits I recognize the names.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 07:00 PM
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If they did it with all beautiful women they'd run out of money pretty fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 06:55 PM
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All the femcels describe themselves as below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 06:54 PM
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What is the chicken sandwich reference about?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 06:42 PM
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This is the place of women who a man feels are either not his attractiveness ideal, or who he feels that he can have sex with without putting in much emotional commitment, which is often the state of affairs in the west these days. If this is most men, then it becomes her natural place in men's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 06:30 PM
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I like frugal men so you don't have to tell me. But I understand why some women want it. Men throw money at beautiful women that they like without even expecting sex in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 06:24 PM
3

That's disrespectful imo. I'm not going to call him that unless he wants to be called that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 06:20 PM
2

That's weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 06:19 PM
5

I am below average and have always been outspoken about this fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 06:17 PM
1

One of the ones I particularly hate is arguments using analogies. Analogies are useful for explanation an idea, not supporting an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 06:13 PM
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I think it is part of the female imperative, because it's one of the most important ways we select for men. If he hits the attractiveness bar, then making us feel special is the next criteria we look for. because women reject many men who would try to make them feel special. These men might have tried to make the woman feel special, but weren't successful. A lot of guys use the same 'tricks' and that just makes us feel like its a script he's following in order to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 06:11 PM
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The best way you can judge the character of a man is by his past relationships. If he has had casual sex in the past, that's a huge red flag. Men try to keep this lifestyle up as long as possible until they are ready to settle down (with someone hotter than you). If his past relationships lasted less than two years, that's also a huge red flag. If he gets in a relationship and stays in one, then you know he is willing to commit. The second best way is to see how pushy he is with sex. Guys who ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 06:06 PM
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If you are not sure he is that interested = he is not interested. Yes this is very true. There should be no mixed signals.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 06:00 PM
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LVM throw money, attention, and commitment at beautiful women without the women having to put out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 05:57 PM
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I think that being made to feel special is all that's required as long as she is attracted to him. If she is not attracted to him then there is nothing she can do. He is going to expect sex and that's not sustainable long term unless she is attracted to the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 05:51 PM
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Should women say "Stacy gets money, attention, and even marriage proposals without having to fuck men why should we have to fuck men to get a dinner out once a year on our birthday?"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 05:49 PM
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Men signal a desire for a LTR just to get laid. We can't trust anything men say because 90% of them lie. The only way to tell if a man genuinely likes you is time and the money and effort he spends on you without any promise of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 05:45 PM
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There are two conversations happening. The women are responding to him not caring about the woman after sex but he thinks they are responding to the shoe lift thing. No one actually cares about the shoe lifts.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 05:34 PM
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That proves that you are okay with getting fat, but not old. Men are always railing about women who fuck chads in their youth and have epiphany. The same applies to them. If you prefer younger women now, you aren't going to have an epiphany when your wife gets older just because she's your wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:18 PM
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You are a superficial person if you seek out young women specifically. You will gradually treat her worse and worse over time because her value in her eyes is decreasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:09 PM
2

But they are over. And at that point you are lesser to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 01:59 PM
2

He will think of her "best years" as behind her. Who would want that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 01:52 PM
1

Women say that to make the guy feel special, like "you have the biggest dick I've ever seen". It's not actually true.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 01:47 PM
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Some men fetishize youth more than others and those will be the men that look for younger women rather then women their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 05:55 AM
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Male attraction doesn't change as they get older. If he is attracted to 18 year olds now, he will be when you are 35 too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 05:31 AM
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He will obviously be more attracted to 18-20 year olds when she is 35 though since he thought of those as the "best years". It would be better to find a man who likes older woman from the start because then you know he will still be attracted to you as you get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 05:20 AM
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I would be fine with that if he liked the idea too. I would be afraid to ask though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 05:15 AM
4

Usually the friend gives us the secret signal "get me out of this!"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 05:12 AM
2

Men have the option of enjoying meaningless sex with strangers without getting attached. Women don't have that option because it's not enjoyable to us and we get attached more easily and therefore hurt more easily. I don't know how men do it but they seem fine using people for their own benefit and tossing them aside. I could never do that voluntarily. Even if I despised the man I couldn't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 05:10 AM
2

Find me a group of women as large as incels + red pill + the manosphere that adheres to the same ideology as SCUM.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 05:02 AM
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Second class citizens means what? Not fucking them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 05:01 AM
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Because they don't think that casual sex is fine for certain men and not others. That's the part you are trying to sneak in there that's not correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 04:58 AM
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They are completely opposite lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 04:24 AM
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You just made that up though. Women do not think this.. Chads having sex with little or no commitment = "fine" (actually ranging from at least tolerated to outright encouraged in an attempt to secure commitment in the future.) It's not fine in either case unless the woman is fine with casual sex and then its fine in both cases. (Lvm amd chad)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 04:24 AM
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I dont actually care about a wedding, ring, or even the piece of paper, but I would just like to call the man I am with my husband instead of a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:39 AM
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To be consistent you would have to see older low n count women as the ideal. And avoid both high n count women and young women. Also, I am mot sure if low n count women are that rare since older women tend to be more conservative and online dating isn't as much as a thing for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:36 AM
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You lost me. What observation?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:32 AM
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I know the views of these men are extreme and not all men feel this way but it still reflects the general path of male thought. And yes the extremes in feminist ideology do the same for women. You don't see large masses of women advocating to take men's rights away or keep Chads as slaves. You don't see extreme feminist groups promoting the idea of male robots to replace men. Women, even the extremists, never try to have ownership of men. It's because we don't see men as objects to possess like …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:32 AM
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No, it's the exact same for Chads or LVM. Chads having consensual sex = fine. LVM having consensual sex = fine. Chads pumping and dumping = not fine. LVM pumping and dumping = not fine. There is no "staying in your lane" aspect or "only Chad deserves to get special sex". That's the part men make up. I think they get it from themselves since that's their whole madonna/whore dichotomy in reverse. They think women are the same as them just opposite, but we aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:24 AM
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You said incorrect and then proceeded to list statistics that confirmed younger women are more likely to divorce than older women. We already know that higher body count has a higher chance of divorce. So does marrying young but men don't avoid young women like they do high body counts. That was the point if you didn't get it before.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:18 AM
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Well the implication was that women are fine with being pumped and dumped by Chad, or at least more allowing of it, which is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 10:52 PM
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Oh, bullshit. If I loved my ex-wife as an object or possession I would have had her replaced the day she left. Funny that you would mention this because men are much more likely to get remarried, and get remarried sooner than women after a divorce. So men do replace women more easily than the reverse. There's the problem with women right there: they think they know how men think, love and feel. And because women can only project their own ways of thinking, loving and feeling, they perceive men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 10:28 PM
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We rely on you to think this way actually because we are trying to find the men that like us for other reasons than just sex. Men like you will move on to easier women and the men who like us will stick around.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 08:55 PM
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High body counts are undesirable because they're objectively worse for relationships. I know this is bullshit because marrying a younger woman makes for a worse relationship too according to statistics on the matter, but you don't see men calling younger women undesirable because they are worse for relationships. You're talking about a tiny minority of men if you want to talk about murder. It's an extreme manifestation of male behavior, but it exists in all men to a lesser degree. It shines a li…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 07:02 PM
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I think it's good that we found out that men only want us for sex. If commitment needs to be incentivized by sex, then it's not really worth anything anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 06:52 PM
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There never is. He can always dump you. 10 years into the marriage he can still leave you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 06:49 PM
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Men don't seem to understand that 'alpha' is a label that men put on other men to give them a pat on the back for 'winning' in the SMV. It has no special meaning to us. We only use it here because it's somewhat necessary to adopt the language of the person you are talking to as a starting point to communicate ideas. Most women don't believe that the alpha/beta categorization of men exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 06:47 PM
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What makes that casual sex? The fact that you dump her afterwards for a hotter woman that you like more?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 06:42 PM
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You don't use studies, you cherry-picked lines from studies and ignore everything else. It is absolutely obvious that men can only love women as possessions. Why do you think men kill women "so no other man can have her"? Why do you think that men see sex robots as a viable replacement to women? Why are men obsessed with n-count and a woman being 'used-up'? EVERYTHING men do related women all points to the exact same conclusion, they see women as objects they possess, not as people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 06:39 PM
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During sex, men look at the woman's face much more than vice versa This is a dominance thing. He wants to make unbreaking eye contact to show his dominance. I HATE when men do this during sex. And men are very concerned about their partner's orgasms. Men want women to feel sexually satisfied because it proves to himself that he is a stud who can make women orgasm. It's just about placating his ego. We tell men all the time that orgasms aren't necessary for us to enjoy sex but they still try to f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 06:35 PM
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Yes there is because men make all the wrong conclusions based on this fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 06:32 PM
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No, obviously. I am denying the porn fantasy that she is overcome with lust for a man and that's why she has sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 06:23 PM
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Men are more likely to kill women after the breakup because they don't want another man to 'own' her. The stalking, the inability to get over a breakup, is all about the man keeping ownership over his possession and not any love for the woman. If he loved her, he would leave her be and let her move on. Your point about body count further collaborates my point. He hates women he can't fully own (women who had sex with other men). Do you have any support for your claim that women are more likely t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 06:21 PM
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Yeah?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 06:10 PM
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It's not preposterous because female sexuality isn't object driven like male sexuality. Men are aroused if they see a sufficiently desirable woman. Women are aroused if she is put into a sufficiently arousing context. The exact same man can be arousing in one context and not in another, that's why female arousal seems so fickle.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:52 PM
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Men can love women as possessions, as an object, but not as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:47 PM
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Correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:46 PM
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No it's a porn fantasy that you are such an unbelievably sexy stud that she is overcome by desire and that's why she has sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:32 PM
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That's a porn fantasy not real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:07 PM
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There is no "enjoy the decline" for women. Being made aware of male nature would only convince women to stay single. There is no way we can win or get what we want, because men can't actually love us as people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:04 PM
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That's not how it actually works. If she actually liked you then she would want a relationship with you. If she doesn't want a relationship with you, then it means you are deficient in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 04:54 PM
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Guys use cuddling to try and get sex. They spoon you and get a boner and then start dry humping you. It doesn't work because it's no better than saying "I want to have sex" with a hint of manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 04:53 PM
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No they don't. Otherwise men would put "looking to pump and dump" on their dating profiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 04:38 PM
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I think you have the wrong idea. It's not that we are like "How dare a low value man have wants and needs of his own!" It's more that these are the men that advertise that they want a relationship and not just casual sex, and I assumed they were genuine. The surprising (and sad) thing is that ALL men want to pump and dump you. The ones that don't just feel like they aren't high value enough to pull enough replacement woman to get them consistent sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 04:15 PM
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I had crushes on short guys before, and it was because they made me feel like their best friend. Since we were at eye level it was easier to bond this way than it is with a tall guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:55 PM
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Why though? Why do men idolize shallow, vapid things and consider meaningful things shameful?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:16 PM
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Men by default are respected. Their roles are always respected. Throughout history having a son granted the family status but a daughter was a disappointment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:15 PM
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Casual sex makes you the MOST replaceable. Any woman could get 20 new casual sex partners by noon, all of them hotter than you. Do you think I can find a guy I actually love, respect, and have kids with that quickly? Obviously not. I know why you want casual sex though. You want to feel like you are "winning". Even though the prize is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:10 PM
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Yeah they don't want love or affection, they want to feel their masculinity validated and like they 'won'. See the recent thread that states any man in a relationship is a cuck. Relationships are seen as a concession to them, a blow to their ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:22 AM
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It was the opposite for me. I thought only "Chads" and popular/attractive guys were like that. I thought that the unattractive guys would be nicer, but then I found out through reddit that they think the same things, maybe even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:15 AM
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What skills do you mean? Social skills?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 09:09 PM
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Don't play dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 06:44 PM
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You are missing the point. Men find women that emulate children more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 06:43 PM
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Doesn't surprise me at all. I bet if we were looking at just arousal the percentage would be much higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 06:26 PM
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What does it matter if it's voluntary? We are talkng about what men find attractive. They find childlike features attractive and prefer women that are completely bare like a child. What about all the women raping kids? Those women are fucked up to but it's not a feature of female sexuality. Men don't have to try and emulate children to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 06:24 PM
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Yeah sure...you bragged about banging her jokingly. You tried to frame it as a joke but I see right through it. The reason you said that was to further cement your power and superiority over her. I just want to know why. Why do men do this? Women is nice to you, you assault her character, and then brag about having sex with her "jokingly". Wtf is wrong with men?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 06:08 PM
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And now you are bragging about banging her? You just don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:54 PM
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18 is just the legal limit. That's the only thing holding men back from fucking 14 year olds. What are these "child like" features? A shaven pussy, no hair on the legs or arm pits, neotenous features, small frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:53 PM
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We were specifically talking about men wanting very young women despite being old themselves. It's fucked up because men are sexually aroused by child-like attributes. They like her to be "pure" and "innocent" so they can be the one to defile her. And once she is defiled she is essentially used up garbage to men. It's disgusting to us. Why are none of women's standards "fucked up"? There are some fucked up women but in general women aren't sexually attracted to childlike features.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:46 PM
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Men aren't going to change. The conversation isn't to convince men not to be lusting after young women, they will always do that. It's to warn other women about how fucked up men really are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:36 PM
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She was putting herself down to make you feel better. She sounds like a humble person. If you were a good friend you would lift her up not try to push her down. Second combined anecdotes dont make a data, and if you based your opinion on that, just remember that it is not a smart move. You just want me to be blind to how men are and what they say? Nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:30 PM
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You shouldn't. Do whatever you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:12 PM
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Your interpretation of her crying over your story was not that she was empathetic and cared about you, but that she was just so privileged that she had never heard of bad things happening before. That's not appreciation. I don't know what it is actually. Why do men feel the need to put the women who were kind to them down? You immediately jump to some weird and bad conclusion about her as a result of her kindness instead of just thinking that what she did was kind. Why not just leave it at that?…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:03 PM
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It's just a part of male sexuality that is particularly disgusting to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:51 PM
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It always amazes me how men talk about the women who were kind to them. She was empathizing with you and your struggles and in return you call her a privileged princess who chooses to be unhappy. Men actually have no loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:47 PM
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Too little too late. Men never respected STAHMs. Dying in war has nothing to do with the amount of respect men had for women, even back then. Read some old literature or look at old advertisements to see how men felt. ”The nobler and more perfect a thing is, the later and slower is it in reaching maturity. Man reaches the maturity of his reasoning and mental faculties scarcely before he is eight and twenty; woman when she is eighteen; but hers is a reason of very narrow limitations. This is why …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 06:17 AM
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I'm guessing you never took an anthropology class in college. There are some cultures that practiced dowries and some practiced the opposite where the groom's family had to pay the father of the bride. Which occurred depended on the value of the woman and how much of a burden she was on the groom or family. Cultures where the woman had little value and was considered a burden were the ones that had dowries. And, evidence is in the history. Don't forget, it was men, not women, who went off to war…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:38 AM
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It has nothing to do with how good in bed or how much he cares about my orgasm. Sex will never be enjoyable no matter how good the man is because it will always be about him getting what he wants (sex) and in direct opposition to what I want (to not have sex). For him to "care about my pleasure" truly, he would stop trying to have sex with me so I wouldn't have to feel this constant pressure to be sexual when I am not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:29 AM
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Do you know what a dowry is? Its money the father pays the man in order to marry his daughter. If anything, this proves the opposite of your point. Rather than men paying the father to get his daughter as a stahw, the father has to pay him! women would have been treated as slaves.. It's a huge leap from "not respecting" to "being treated like a slave".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:01 AM
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Men did respect the role of the SAHM. Men would respect the role of a SAHM, if marital law wasn't bias against them. This is bullshit. Men never respected SAHMs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:48 AM
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I would be happier if I never had to have sex again. It just feels like a burden, something I have to do to make men happy despite my own needs and wants. Over the years that has built up a lot of resentment as you can tell. I can't even imagine what it would be like to enjoy sex honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:46 AM
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The women here all seem to love their boyfriends/husbands but all the married men here seem to despise their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:28 AM
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I think it would be fine but not if he expected sex. And I don't mean "a man less than ideal", just a man I am not attracted to. I am attracted to men that are less than ideal, just to be clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:18 AM
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"Sexless epidemic" is the stupidest idea this sub has come up with. Do you think in the 20s every man was getting 5 cute FWB until he was ready to settle down with a nice virgin girl? What about in the 30s, the 40s, the 50s? MAYBE it was closest to this in the 60s, but it certainly hasn't been the norm. Yet the modern man is so deluded by porn and social media that he thinks that there is an epidemic because he has to fuck a fat girl and doesn't get sex 4 times a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 03:52 AM
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And other men will surely respect such an important role and appreciate all the hard work mothers, especially single mothers do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 01:28 AM
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You could also phrase it as 20% of the promiscuous women are having 80% of the sex. Men are all competing for a minority of promiscuous women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 11:46 PM
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I'm a woman and I 100% agree with you. I never orgasm during sex because I cant be bothered to. I just don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 01:52 AM
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No but it's typical and I feel I have more to offer a man than a woman. I'd be open to something different though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 01:47 AM
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No. I am not telling him he can't watch porn and sex. He can do whatever he wants. I am making a choice for myself and myself only. I want to be with someone who shares my values already without me having to control him or change him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 01:44 AM
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I would like to have someone to care about and love.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 01:41 AM
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Hotter/prettier means more feminine looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 01:29 AM
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No one disagrees that women lose interest in sex as they age. Everyone does to some degree. You are pretending like men don't accuse women of much more than this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 01:28 AM
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Never had that problem. The opposite actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 01:27 AM
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It does but she said yes to you also. Unless you knew her in the past and asked her out and she said no, then I don't think you can assume you aren't her preference just because now she is older.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 01:26 AM
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Women don't generally chase men. They were chasing her and she just said yes. It would be like if a young woman tried to have sex with you while you were young. You might say yes but this doesn't mean you prefer her over all other women. You might actually prefer the older woman but she wasn't the one propositioning you at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 05:52 PM
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Feminine tokens. A fart, loud belch, or hairy legs will be excused if she is feminine enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 05:27 PM
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I think that women have a lower sex drive in general and that it's more prone to decrease over time due to hormonal changes and child birth, but after factoring out those variables we would find spontaneous loss of attraction to be equal between the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 04:08 PM
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You were just doing the romantic things to get sex then. That is a turn off, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 03:37 PM
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I keep saying this too! The difference between a high n count woman and a low n count woman is that the high n count woman says yes to more men when they proposition her for sex. The low n count woman says no to most of them. The 'slut' is just a more agreeable, nicer person.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 03:31 PM
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You acted in your OP like it was a woman only thing and I am challenging that assumption. You said "most" but I doubt you even looked for the male-loss-of-attraction threads because there are a ton. You already had an idea in your head and you went out and looked for threads that would confirm that idea and ignored the ones that didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 03:14 PM
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I said in the subreddits you listed in your OP but ok. I can find the same threads written by men. Man loses attraction to wife after only 1 month of marriage even though she is a 'good girl' Husband cheats on his wife, says he prefers short girls and his wife is tall, loses attraction. Husband just wants to watch porn, is not attracted to his low n count wife, wishes he had played the field more
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 03:04 PM
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I've read many threads where people (mostly women) saying they found that they are not attracted to their partners after all those decades of being together, I doubt you are seeing these threads on any of the subreddits you listed. If you have then can you provide a link?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:42 PM
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Yeah I don't know how it works out in cold dating. To me telling a guy that he has to wait defeats the whole purpose because then he knows he will get sex if he just waits. It's better if he doesn't know because then he can decide if he likes you enough to hang out despite no possibility of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:38 PM
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I do let the relationship progress naturally but if the guy tries to have sex too soon then I know he's not the one for me. Honestly 3 months is too short. My rule is more like 6 months.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:36 PM
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If it wasn't an instant grossed out reaction, then how did you know that was it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:35 PM
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So weird how the tune has changed in this thread. Men are trying to convince women not to try to date betas and that the average men can get sex frequently enough that a 3 month wait would be a huge sacrifice for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:33 PM
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If I tell him then it defeats the purpose since he will just wait 3 months and then say "sex please". If you turn a man down for sex without explanation, he's going to assume you don't like him and move on. I don't know if you read my other post but if he even tries to have sex I will next him.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:30 PM
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No but since I know you are trying to draw a parallel with women, it's not the same. The equivalent scenario would be that young women propositioned him while he was also young, and he agreed to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:20 PM
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For me its clear from the beginning that we are friends just from the environment. We only hang out in group settings and everyone pays for themselves. If I can tell he is interested in me and I like him, I try to spend more time with him. Since we were friends first, that sets the precedent and he won't want to fuck up the friendship by making a move on me too soon. I don't have to do or say anything, it just happens naturally. The guys that tried to have sex right away I cut off and stopped ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 06:15 AM
1

You are so nice and empathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 04:31 AM
1

Except I can directly see my own thoughts. All you have are assumptions about what the girl is thinking. You don't actually know.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 04:30 AM
2

Well one watched porn and that was a deal breaker for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 04:17 AM
5

You didn't like her enough to be friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 03:19 AM
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Who is to say they are? Maybe I am dating one now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 03:18 AM
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Like I said, I never had a problem with the attractiveness or quality of men that I dated and were willing to wait. The fact that you or other men think they are losers is meaningless to me. I respected them and that's all that matters. I actually would love to find a low libido religious guy but none of the men I dated were like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:50 AM
11

According to you, a man. What we see as high value is not the player Chads you all think we want.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:41 AM
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There are plenty of average men that can get laid but aren't sex obsessed and have no issues waiting. I've always waited and never had a problem with the quality of guys. Losers are actually pushier because they want to try to fuck you before you figure out they suck and are more likely to see sex as a means to get validation. Also I want to marry a man I respect and I could never respect a man who can't control himself for just a few months.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:39 AM
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According to this subreddit, the majority of men are sexless. Do you agree or disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:22 AM
2

Whenever seems right. You still don't have to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:22 AM
1

More women donate their kidneys to save men than the reverse. Also men have killed much, much more women than they have ever saved. The ship thing is a Hollywood myth, look it up. Everyone just tries to save themselves and actually women are more likely to die than men in a shipwreck.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:21 AM
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Contrary to popular belief, we all don't actually want a playboy Chad who has a rotating harem of sorority sisters. If an average guy goes for a year at a time without sex, he won't have any issue waiting a few months for you if he actually likes you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:16 AM
2

You can just ask about kinks?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:10 AM
1

The whole point was to be considered equally human as men. Men were already hoes and they weren't ostracized or shamed for it. Women thought that if women could be like men, we could be considered equals. Didn't work obviously. I think they had too much faith in men. They believed if given the right cultural context men would be fair. That will never happen unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:10 AM
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Women wanted to not be shamed for giving men what men want, what men say they NEED to be happy. It was a bad idea because men will never change. They will always be disgusted by women who give in and respect the sexually unavailable woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:53 AM
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Why has it never happened to me then? If it is a part of female arousal than I should have experienced this first hand. I still think there was some other reason and you are just picking the explanation that is most convenient for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 10:49 PM
1

Even if your story is true, I suspect there is more to the story than just a middle aged woman never finding the men she dated attractive enough before you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 10:45 PM
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Okay. I am pretty sure they can abandon ship before sex happens though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 10:19 PM
1

Maybe they were lying or just young.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 10:17 PM
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I scrolled all the way up to the original parent comment and I still don't see it. Are you sure he said that? You don't need to share your life stories and spend 200 hours together to build sexual tension lol. If you do it right you can easily build up the soon on the first date. It is stronger if you don't fuck on the first date tho. That's obvious. If 200 hours of tension building makes it better, then why not wait? 200 hours is not enough btw. Having to wait means having to wait more than 3 d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 10:16 PM
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A lot of women don't. You guys think that women give out sex quickly to the "right man" and make others wait, but really it's two separate groups of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 10:10 PM
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I disagree. I don't think comfort creates attraction but it is absolutely necessary for arousal in most women. I think we evolved to be this way since being pregnant having a child opens us up to so much vulnerability. Men like to say this because its ego saving. "Women don't like me because I am too nice!" It's just a way to deflect their problems onto women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 10:01 PM
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He just said that he doesn't fuck women he doesn't like. Where did he say that? He said there is a scarcity of likable woman so men have to make do by fucking whatever comes their way. For the rest of your post, it all just seem contradictory to everything I hear other men hear say. They want sex right away, so there is no chance to get to know someone and build up sexual tension like you describe. They resent having to wait, but why would they resent spending time with someone they liked? They …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 09:52 PM
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Nah, it's nice when coming from a man you already like. You are probably seeing a negative reaction from women who already didn't like the man or wasn't attracted to him. Of course romantic gestures from such a man won't be welcomed because reacting positively would just be leading him on.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 09:44 PM
2

Is sex a certainty with SB? I thought that it was just like normal dating except the man paid for everything and bought you more stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 09:38 PM
2

Well so what if there is a lot of unlikable women? Why do men want to fuck women they don't like anyway? What's even the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 09:35 PM
1

He said there are not enough likable women to find one that you can have sex with. Maybe he only likes really hot women out of his league.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 09:30 PM
1

Guys are fine with time. This is my primary strategy. I only date friends so we always split the bill anyway. The men here don't seem fine with it, although I've never had an issue with men in RL waiting. But.. you see my point, Sugaring solves and reconciles everything. I don't actually want money or stuff though. A sugar baby in this thread says that her SD treats her far better than regular men ever did. Its kind of sad that we have to demand money just to determine if the guy likes us. I'd r…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 09:28 PM
1

Women routinely have sex on the first or second date if and when she's feeling it. I never did.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 09:16 PM
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We are discussing how to find these "good guys". The good guys that we dated spent time and effort on us, were happy to take it slow, and wanted to spend time with us. The "bad guys" would just next us because it's too much effort to get sex and they don't like us that much anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 09:15 PM
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How else do suggest women figure out which men like them, and which men don't? "And liking just for sex" doesn't count. You can like a woman for sex and have a laugh with your friends later about how you fucked a pig and never call her again. Being liked just for sex is actually insulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 09:10 PM
1

Can you explain your argument with words instead of using a dumb comedy sketch?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 09:06 PM
1

Women want relationships not sex. Its like asking, what's wrong with only being wanted for your money?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 09:01 PM
0

So men don't like women then. Why don't men say this instead of pretending online like they love women simply for existing?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 08:59 PM
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Wow, he sounds nice. Maybe this should be how dating is in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 08:57 PM
1

It is on topic because men were using the arguments listed in my OP to justify their desire for younger women. I think it would be interesting to see if they had the same logic in their friendships. If they prefer friends to be the same age because they are more likely to share life experiences and have more in common, then why wouldn't they want to date women their same age for the same reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 08:55 PM
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Couldn't agree more! Sex with a man actually has negative value, because the more the you have, the less men respect you. Men have created a situation were there is no incentive to have sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 08:52 PM
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Yep! All problems would be solved if men would only fuck women they actually liked. We would no longer have to make men 'jump through hoops', we could have sex right away because we know we could trust him, and we'd value male sexual attention because it would be actually meaningful.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 08:40 PM
1

Okay, but its not in-group either since I am a BP woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 08:36 PM
2

Do you have feelings for your SD?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 08:30 PM
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How is it off-topic? Its related to the recent thread on men dating younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 08:27 PM
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The amount of money spent on dates is not worth the effort and time for women, and it certainly is not enough to pay for sex. To even consider prostitution, you would have to be offering me millions. Even then I probably wouldn't do it unless my mom was dying of cancer and I needed the money to care for her or something like that. Women just want to know if you like them or not. That's it. Men will fuck women they dont like. Its sick and disgusting, but that's how men are. So women need to figur…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 08:26 PM
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Why should beta males who hit that upward career mobility and his increases in social standing and his social power to put up with women his age who rejected him? Since this is hypothetical rejection anyway, wouldn't the new younger women he is dating also reject him if she had met him previously before he had status?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 08:13 PM
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Yeah but we don't get the "Stacy treatment" either. Men will fuck us but won't put in the effort they would with a hot chick. They don't love us as much. It's fine. I never once expected men to treat me the way they do very attractive women. I think men believe that women only exist to satisfy their sexual urges and are angry when a woman doesn't fulfill her "role". They sometimes give a pass to Madonna-types because her role is to be pure and innocent, but they get outraged when sluts won't fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 08:11 PM
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Why would they be bitter? There are a lot of fun and exciting things that I didn't do, sometimes by choice and sometimes because I couldn't. I am not bitter because I don't feel like I was entitled to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 08:04 PM
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If he is a kind and non-selfish person in general, it's very unlikely that he is going to turn into a selfish asshole in bed. All the other stuff you can talk through either before or after. For instance if he is not giving enough foreplay, you can just ask for more foreplay. If he is not an asshole, and you know this because you spent a lot of time determining his character, he will oblige. As far as dick size, its not that important to me. Most guys are going to be average, but if you are real…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 07:36 PM
2

I think this is because so many men use this tactic to try to get sex that women see it as manipulative now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 07:24 PM
2

It's not behind a paywall for me. Maybe search for the title in google scholar.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 07:16 PM
0

Its just stupid. When will men grow up?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 07:12 PM
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What are you going to find out about him specifically? That he has some sort of kink that you don't like? You can discuss that beforehand.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 07:11 PM
3

Studies show that people who wait have longer happier relationships and 'sexual compatibility' makes no difference. link
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 07:08 PM
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I didn't say it did.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 07:05 PM
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I respect such a man a lot because it shows he can control his base urges and think about the future rather than being obsessed with what seems fun and pleasurable in the short term.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 07:02 PM
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It definitely would be because if you aren't horny you won't care. I've talked to low libido men before and they don't view sex as the epitome of human validation like other men do. If anything it's just a surrender. To the bitchiest, least likeable people in human history, no less. So it's all about your male ego. Big surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 05:17 PM
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No. I don't sleep with strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 05:14 PM
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Sexual compatibility is total bullshit that men spew to try to get women to sleep with them faster. All the important compatibility parts of sex can be determined without having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 05:12 PM
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She is not "making" men wait. They can leave at any time. The ones that don't actually enjoy spending time with her and are okay with not having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 05:10 PM
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If you aren't willing to take a pill that would easily fix your issue, then being sexless can't be that bad. As I figured men are grossly exaggerating how much they 'suffer'.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 05:06 PM
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Yeah I noticed the same thing about hardness. Guys who watch porn don't get as hard and take longer to finish. They have fried their brains through over stimulation and ruined their sensitivity too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 05:03 PM
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You are already the weird single guy. Once you get into a relationship you can stop taking the pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 04:56 PM
0

No one has to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 03:36 PM
4

If he doesn't propose he is damning her to be a cheater through no fault of her own. It's not her fault he didn't want to marry her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 06:46 AM
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If having sex with a man before her husband is cheating, then every man should propose to every woman he sleeps with, so she can avoid cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 06:33 AM
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Men should only have sex with women they want to marry and always propose then.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 06:10 AM
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You do by showing respect and deferring to some men and not others.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 01:38 AM
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They kind of are. About as much as other women are in control of who other women sleep with. Women sleep with men at the top of social hierarchies and men are the ones who choose is on top.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 12:28 AM
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Why don't men voluntarily take medication to reduce their sex drive?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 12:03 AM
1

I think my views of men were slightly higher than average, but that normal women with an average opinion of men will leave this place hating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 12:00 AM
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I had a very high opinion of men before I came here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 06:10 PM
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TRP scours the internet looking for out of context examples of women saying things that seems to support their views. The woman is not present to explain what she meant either. If you ask the women here if they agree then most will say no. I come to here looking for discussion on gender dynamic. There is no established stance on PPD. I am not going to sluthate.com or some obviously fringe website. Here I can talk directly to the SAME men spouting their views and also clarify with other men and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 05:22 PM
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No it doesnt apply to me because I just repeat what men say verbatim. When men talk about women they make assumptions about what she is thinking. They dont repeat what women say directly. That's the difference
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 04:39 PM
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I think the views expressed by the majority of women here can be generalized to the general population, yes. Of course not some random troll is representative, but I am not even considering them in either case. TRP is wrong about women because they don't base their theories on what women say or do, but what makes most sense to the male mind. (Aka projection)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 04:05 PM
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Its not contradictory since I select men that aren't like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:18 PM
0

Actually that's a myth. Studies show that men try to save themselves first in disasters. As they should, but just saying...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 07:32 AM
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No the men I dated in real life were fine. I generalize based on the men here and what they say, not the men I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 07:23 AM
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Actually most often women cheat when they feel emotionally neglected with a work friend who they feel listens to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 03:09 AM
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You are not a typical male. Most men don't care. They fall in love with a woman without knowing anything about her just because she makes his dick hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 03:08 AM
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You should try dating a guy who doesn't watch porn. It's so refreshing and the sex is actually romantic. I will never go back to porn watchers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 03:06 AM
1

It's not even weird if you only date friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:43 AM
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FDS. I see a lot of investment early on as a red flag, not a HVM. I look for sustainable investment that is proportional to the amount of time we've been together. If he is taking me on fancy dates from the start he's a love bombing type.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:40 AM
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If a guy wanted anal or watched porn it would be a huge turnoff and he would no longer be a crush.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 04:43 PM
-1

Don't you require her to have sex like twice a day?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 04:42 PM
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OP is a man that's why he said that. There is no "right man" that I would enjoy anal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 03:04 PM
1

Except we date men who watch porn and those who dont. Those who don't are much better. They haven't pounded their penis so much they can barely get hard from a real vagina, you know you are the only naked woman he has seen for awhile so he will be more attracted to you, and they don't ask for disgusting things like anal. Having sex with men who don't watch porn can actually be nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 02:56 PM
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Judging from your other comments, you also have unreasonable expectations for sex which kind of proves OPs point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 02:51 PM
0

I don't expect men to keep up the effort but I want him to let me relax too. He doesn't have to fake being nice and I don't have to fake being interested in sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 07:11 AM
0

No that's not how it goes. Even if she married the Chad she used to hook up with, the same exact thing would happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 07:08 AM
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You are off topic then. My OP is a response to a specific argument that men here make that studs are respectable since they have to work hard to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 08:07 PM
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Like I said elsewhere, if its so easy to get laid then the slut vs. stud argument falls flat. And if you are just talking about two, long lasting, meaningful fwb relationships then that's not a high n-count is it? If you have 20 fwb relationships then they aren't going to meaningful or long lasting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 07:48 PM
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She is getting her validation needs met and maybe some jewelry. Its actually worse for men to sleep around since they are hurting the woman. Women who sleep around are helping the men. Men who sleep around hurt others and women who sleep around help others.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 07:44 PM
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Marriage is a bad example because it's not trivial like one night of sex. For a different example though, imagine a woman who just "collected" marriage proposals. Suppose you meet a woman who just likes the validation of a proposal. She spends a lot of time and effort getting hundreds of men to propose to her. What would you think of her? I would think she has issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 07:39 PM
2

Women can't easily sleep with Justin Bieber. And ugly men sometimes sleep with hot women too? There are anomalies in either case.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 07:29 PM
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If you are calling them gynocentric values then you agree that women don't respect these men either?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 07:27 PM
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I did answer the question. You are going to dump your fwb eventually. That's why they aren't meaningful. And you are planning on it because otherwise they would be girlfriends. And the rest of your post just says well its actually easy to get laid. That's fine, but then the slut vs stud argument falls flat.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 07:26 PM
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They sleep with HOT no name groupies. Don't they have people who pick hot women out of the crowd for them? And the same thing can be said for men. Be in the right place at the right time and be attractive enough and you can sleep with a woman too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 07:22 PM
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Nah, so many girls want to get with him. You aren't even going to be able to get close to him if you aren't attractive. Maybe if you are a nanny or maid, but I'm not talking about that. Im talking about actively seducing him, winning over all his other fans that are trying to do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 07:14 PM
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He has thousands of fans that want to sleep with him. The girl he picks had to be valuable or more attractive than the others in some way. If you look at his past girlfriends they were all models.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 07:09 PM
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Look at the men who make this a lifestyle though. I can't think of one who isn't majorly fucked in the head. And the men who do it for a short time realize how empty and meaningless it is and move on to something more meaningful. Its like men want to just try it out just to see what it feels like, knowing it's not something that is going to benefit them long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 07:07 PM
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I don't like incels but a man who was a virgin due to his own choice I would highly respect. A man who was virgin due to religious reasons would be ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 07:03 PM
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There is a difference, but the difference doesn't make men more admirable for having a high n-count. Thats was my whole argument. I'm not sure where you disagree now. Even if a tiny minority of women can sleep with Justin Beiber, I don't see how this makes it admirable or respectable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 07:01 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:57 PM
2

The fwb will be dumped at some point otherwise you would be in a relationship with them. I don't think you plan on dumping your friends. There are bad friends of course, but I am speaking in general. On a whole, friends add long term value to your life. Casual sex is trivial in the same way as the facebook friends example is trivial. You are getting a validation hit but it doesn't go any deeper than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:56 PM
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Porn and social media has set men's expectations too high. It used to be that you only had sex with the woman you marry, now men expect their lives to be like a pornographic movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:49 PM
2

Okay think of someone who is admired by society. Nelson Mandela or Bill Gates. Can you imagine this person voicing their respect for a man with a high n-count? I can't. I think it's only LVM (losers) that respect high n-count men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:44 PM
2

Why do you society in general does not respect PUAs?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:40 PM
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Cooking is a skill that benefits you your whole life and also provides value to others. Having a high n-count just makes you more likely to have mental problems and doesn't benefit anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:39 PM
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I am an average woman that is disgusted by them. I don't know any woman that wants a guy who has slept around, besides promiscuous women who are worried about being judged. I think the women going "gaga" aren't going gaga over his n-count, but other factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:36 PM
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Okay but if high n count men don't have to try, then the argument that "studs are respectable because it is harder" falls flat.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:35 PM
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Yes, think about Rollo Tomato or whatever his name is. Do you ever see him being respected in society? No, the only people who respect him are small members of his little cults. The rest of the world rolls thinks he is cringe and creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:25 PM
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For a woman to sleep with Johnny Depp she has to be attractive and have some value beyond this too. It doesn't make sleeping with Johnny Depp admirable unless you are a teenager.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:14 PM
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They aren't considered more attractive by women. At best women are neutral. Pre-selection happens when a high value woman approves of the guy so he must be high value. This doesn't apply to players, because no woman wants to be another notch on his bedpost. For an example, if you put a pic on you dating profile with a lot of women, women will be turned off by this. But if you just have one attractive woman among a group of friends, this could help you. Women will think "he has a female friend so…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:12 PM
2

Okay but in that case the stud/slut argument doesn't make much sense if its also easy for attractive men to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:04 PM
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I didn't say that it wasn't more difficult, it is. I just think the more effort and time spent trying to have sex = more cringeworthy = more pathetic. There is a reason why no one respects PUAs even though they put the most effort into having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:03 PM
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Would you admire a woman who slept around with all the a-list celebrities? This would be difficult to do, but I don't think it makes it admirable at all. In fact spending effort on something so shallow just makes it more pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 05:22 PM
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We actually do. Male sluts are looked down on in most female circles, especially among women who are not promiscuous themselves. But just like promiscuous women still get married so do promiscuous men. Not everyone cares but a lot of us do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 05:19 PM
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Unpopular opinion here but I hate it when guys try to please me in bed. It just means I have to put on an act like whatever he is doing is the best feeling in the world when really it just feels weird and uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:35 AM
2

This makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 07:03 PM
2

They pay 5 bucks to see her in a batting suit, not have sex with her. And he probably gets some of that 5 bucks too if they live together.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 07:03 PM
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Men are always talking about how unfair it is to have to pay for something another man got for free, but Leafy is the one getting it for free. It seems so inconsistent and I can't figure out the real motivation behind all of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 06:36 PM
1

It still doesn't make sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 06:19 PM
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Time spent searching for them, contacting them, making the approach, landing the date, likely paying for the date, trying to impress the girl, and in the end doing the deed. I meant within a LTR. Women have to keep doing their work in a LTR (being sexual). What work do men keep having to do? Do you think it would work to have more emphasis on long-term relationships, and to delay sex as long as needed so you know the person isn't into just one night stands or short term relationships? Yes this i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 06:17 PM
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Okay but why is he specifically called the cuck when he is the one having sex with her and other men are paying her. It seems backwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 06:12 PM
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I don't understand why the boyfriend is called the cuck in the OnlyFans situation like with Leafy. Other men are paying his girlfriend money, but he is the one fucking her. Why is he called the simp/cuck? Wouldn't he be the "bull"? God I hate male vernacular, it makes me want to puke.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 06:03 PM
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When we talk about men try assuming that the guy is average and not Chad. Then you won't think we are projecting Chad's bad behavior on all men. Like a lot of men here you seem to think that attractive men always treat women badly and unattractive men are saints. It's not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 05:58 PM
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No, but usually when men talk about this it's different women. They assume a woman who they never met before would reject them in the past. They do this to justify rejecting her now because they don't find her attractive since she is old.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 05:55 PM
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I would rephrase this as male sexuality is bad, female sexuality is neutral, but yeah. Things don't have to be even. Nature made male ducks rape female ducks, male lions commit infanticide, and made men sexually predatory. It's just the way it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 05:52 PM
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Casual sex is damaging to men, women, and society so just by wanting it you are harming others for a temporary dopamine rush. Also men are seldom completely honest about their intentions. They might not outright lie, but they do pretend to like a girl more than they actually do in order to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 05:49 PM
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It appears as though she's getting our commitment but we just happen to be an item that she chose, sure, but in a pile of other identical items. They aren't identical items though. That's why she chose you and why women seem so picky compared to men. Men see one vagina as good as another, as long as they are equally hot. Women pick men based on their individual qualities and so you know when she picks you, she is actually picking you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 05:44 PM
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What hard work are you talking about specifically? You mean spending time with the woman? And sex is something men want a lot, and women don't. It takes a lot of work to be sexual for a woman. We have to put on a performance to make men happy. What do men have to do exactly? Spend time with us? Might help to tell them that, and how to achieve that? We don't want you to spend time with us just so you can have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 05:35 PM
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It is not the association of violence with a race or class of people but an ideology. Women don't have a problem with virgin men, it's specifically the men who share the same ideology with the Elliot Rodger types that women can't sympathize with. These men not only share his views on women, but they glorify him as a hero. Why would women sympathize with a group that not only hates women, but glorifies violence against them?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 05:30 PM
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Yes you said "project their bad experiences with Chad on other men". This is you assuming their bad experiences with men are only with Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 05:25 PM
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I just looked it up and Florida is shared custody by default. Link I am not sure where you got the idea that the mother gets custody by default. And are you talking about tax returns? You are required to provide receipts because labeling expenses as business costs reduces the amount you pay in taxes. If the IRS didn't require receipts you could just call everything a business receipt and not have to pay taxes. There is no such equivalent for child support. The only way to scam the child support …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 05:23 PM
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It's not the same as being a family living together in the same house.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 05:07 AM
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You all are together as a family?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 05:01 AM
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If you don't view her as a prize then why are you even wasting your time with her? It sounds like you are saying "You let other men use you for sex so you should let me too even though I look down on you and don't even like you very much."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 04:54 AM
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Not enough to be a real dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 04:30 AM
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By default you get 50% custody so if the man leaves it's his choice and not the State's. The State doesn't take kids away unless you are a drug addict or abusive. And it would cost more money to monitor spending than it's worth. If on average it cost 10k a year to raise a child and you get 6k, then the funds are going to the kid unless you aren't covering their necessities. And if you aren't doing that then we have the CPS.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 04:11 AM
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I don't see this. None of my girlfriends did this. Sounds like something a very trashy woman would do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 03:49 AM
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Can you show me an example? I never treated a man poorly just because he was unattractive. I'm usually nicer to unattractive people because I don't want them to feel bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 03:40 AM
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I haven't seen women talk about simps at all. I only see other men tearing them apart. I think it was a word made up by men to shame other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 03:22 AM
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I said I empathize with men just not the ones who want casual sex. What else do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 03:14 AM
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What does that have to do with the conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 03:10 AM
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You just did above.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 02:51 AM
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There aren't hordes of single dads because they leave their kids with the mom. If the guy was poor and the sole caretaker of the kids he would get a check too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 02:50 AM
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Not all men are sex obsessed and put casual sex on a pedestal. You are trying to blame biology but it's just bad character.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 02:32 AM
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It's not that we feel entitled to a better partner, we are just more comfortable being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 02:15 AM
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Yeah but I don't like saying this because then men start doing the "day long foreplay" with the expectation of sex and its the worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 02:10 AM
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No because there is a female equivalent of you. Its the woman who wants the biggest instagram following of her friends and wants a diamond ring bigger than Betty's. She wants easy validation in the short term without any effort or improvement backing it up. I'm not this type of woman and I wouldn't be this type of man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 02:08 AM
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I sympathize with men who can't find wives or even girlfriends. I sympathize with ugly or awkward men. But I cannot sympathize with men who are upset because they cant get casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:53 AM
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Right. They don't want us to fight back I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:38 AM
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We never actually see that outside of the men repeating it here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:30 AM
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They want you to let them exploit you. They want to be able to fuck you and dump you on their way to meet the beautiful woman of their dreams.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:29 AM
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You ASSUME that all bad experiences are with Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:25 AM
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Not to mention men from these groups have actually targeted and killed women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:20 AM
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I draw my conclusions from what the men here say. I was honestly shocked that they thought this way. I used to think that men were like women and wanted lifelong love and companionship in a meaningful relationships. I was so sad to find out that no, they just want to pump and dump women because it's the short term validation and dopamine rush that excite them the most. They just want to have fun now. It's hard for me to understand how men can be this short sighted and one-dimensional but they co…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:13 AM
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How is this any worse than men thinking that spending time with their wife is a chore? If you don't want to have sex then it just means you aren't horny. If you don't want to spend time with your wife then it means you don't actually like her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:06 AM
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It's for the kids not the mom. How do you guys not realize this? The government helps poor kids who had no part in being born into a shitty situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 12:46 AM
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Shaming the man for leaving his kids isn't the same as expecting men to care about single moms. We shame women who leave their kids too. Way more than men in fact. Leaving your kids is just a shit thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 12:45 AM
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Having sex is our seduction. Men keep expecting our seduction (sex) even though they stopped spending quality time with us and making us feel bonded to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 12:34 AM
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Both people relax. For men relaxing = playing video games and not spending time with his wife. For women relaxing = not having to suck his dick all the time. Men just want to relax without letting the woman do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 12:32 AM
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Having been in this situation before, its either too many expectations surrounding sex, too much pressure to have sex, or a total loss of respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 12:25 AM
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Men who do end up sleeping around a lot agree that is empty and is ultimately unfilling. That's why they all give it up eventually. Also people who have casual sex have more mental health problems than those who don't. The men here are so porn sick they want their personal sex on demand rotating harem of pussy. Certain values are just worse than others. Seeking validation through Instagram likes is more superficial than running a marathon to feel good about yourself. Seeking validation and intim…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 12:20 AM
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Sex is not a Maslowian need. And more sex happens in LTRs so even if it was, men should want LTRs not casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 12:10 AM
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You don't have kids with a fwb, you have kids with a wife or at the very least a long term partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 07:57 PM
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When men want shallow, superficial things that don't even benefit themselves in the long term, then I don't see the problem in treating their wants as inferior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 07:07 PM
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I didn't say anything about it needing to benefit the woman. I said it hurts the taxpayer and the child, both of who are not responsible in anyway. Both the men and the woman are responsible and should deal with the consequences. The woman ALWAYS has to take the worst of the consequences and the man sometimes has to take some comparatively mild consequences but also sometimes gets away scott free. The woman never has that option. So it's already unfair for the woman. She either has to get an abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 06:32 AM
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For the consequences of unprotected sex we have... pregnancy OR requiring a medical procedure to terminate monetary child care costs. labor, time, and loss of resources while caring for the child. The man only has to worry about one of these if he chooses to have unprotected sex. The woman is the default caretaker of the child, and obviously the only one who can get pregnant. In comparison to the other consequences, especially raising the child, writing a check is a very mild consequence. So by …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 06:09 AM
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And it's not just some out of the blue assumption on her part either. She thinks the guy likes her because the guy is actively cultivating this idea in order to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:37 PM
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I didn't say he was leading them on. I said he was sending mixed messages. He acts like a boyfriend first and then later tells them he only wants something casual. It would be like a woman flirting with you sexually all night and then telling you that she is only looking for friends. It would be confusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 05:31 AM
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Okay well if it's in your profile then I guess I can't fault you too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 05:14 AM
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I know that's just the way men are but what if being nonsexual for long periods of time is just the way women are? Does it always have to be the woman who changes to fit the man? Women do have their own forms of validation, but most men dramatically reduce doing these things a year or two into the relationship. This is just expected and I don't even fault men for it because I don't want them to feel as I do. I want them to be able to relax and not constantly have to perform for me. I just find n…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 05:11 AM
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I never have had casual sex and all of my relationships lasted more than a decade. I was like your wife at first too but over time I got exhausted with the constant expectation and demands. I just wanted to be able to come home and relax one night. I think your wife will eventually feel this too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:43 AM
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That's what we already do. You asked why sex isn't enjoyable and that's why. Did you read my present example? At first you might be like "You are so amazing that I bought you this diamond ring because you deserve the best". And at first you genuinely love buying your wife presents. But next week you happen to not buy her a present and she takes this as a sign you no longer love her. Now you feel like you HAVE to buy her a present every week or your wife will feel unloved. Do you think you would …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:40 AM
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Yeah it is super obvious but the men here don't want to let go of their virgin image of themselves. Thanks for being one of the honest ones I guess, at least online...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:32 AM
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So you are giving mixed messages by acting like you want to be a boyfriend but later sliding in that you just want to have fun, which is a little confusing. Your friends are actually being upfront by opening with what they want directly. Although you aren't technically lying you are being purposefully obscure.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:26 AM
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I'm glad you made this thread because I always say that men do this but the men here pretend like they never conceal their true feelings in order to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:20 AM
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What part of sex is for the woman? Even her orgasm is about the man proving to himself that he is a stud who can please women sexually. As a side note I think the majority of women's kinks are not about what she finds attractive but an escape from this never ending performance. For an example a lot of women are into non-consensual play because at least she doesn't have to pretend to enjoy it. When we don't have to perform or pretend, I think women can actually enjoy sex. It's sad that it takes r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:16 AM
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It's permanent in that I don't expect men to change anytime soon and I have never met a man who isn't like this. Also it can't be both. The things that men find validating are unnatural to the woman, so sex will always be a performance for her. It will always be about her proving that she is actually attracted to him. Her feelings don't even come into the equation. For an example, whenever she doesn't feel like sex for long periods of time, the default is always to attempt to increase her sex dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 03:43 AM
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No because I never give with the expectation of getting something in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 03:00 AM
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Thanks if you aren't being sarcastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 02:54 AM
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I could write a whole thread on this but the short answer is that sex is not about the couple bonding like I believed. It's not about love and mutual enjoyment. The purpose of sex is only to validate the man's attractiveness to himself, usually at the woman's expense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 02:53 AM
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No I called them incels and betas because they call themselves that. These are men online. I have no idea what they look like. And men in real life that I dated were attractive to me but they weren't Chads. If I call them attractive you will say "See you only want Chads!" If I call them ugly you will say "See you didn't find your boyfriends attractive!" They were attractive to me, but not conventionally attractive. I don't know how else to say it. I don't settle by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 09:55 PM
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I woman with a lot of sexual partners is agreeable. A man with a lot of sexual partners is a predator.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 09:43 PM
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If a conventionally attractive guy came up to me it would be obvious but you guys don't seem to realize that betas use women for sex too. Even incels pump and dump the first woman that gave them a chance. They've admitted it here. But anyway, it's not a problem for me because I don't have sex without commitment. Not all women are aware of how predatory and deceitful men are though. I am just here to warn them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 09:41 PM
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I am not the one with the complaint. I don't have or want casual sex. It's the men here that complain that they don't get enough. And then they blame women for it even though they are the ones creating the astronomical demand. Ironically it's the men here that are always shirking their responsibility and blaming women for their problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 09:36 PM
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By pretending you actually like her enough for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 09:25 PM
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And sex is not what women really want, hence the analogy. I think this is going over your head. Maybe its because English isn't your first language. You don't seem to understand what the conversation is even about. And women cheat and have one night stands to try and find new relationships. It's not for the sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 06:30 PM
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The upside is he gets the companionship and attention of a woman he is attracted to. And women don't orgasm from casual sex and it leaves them feeling like shit afterwards. It's a net negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 06:14 PM
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First of all, I promise you exactly ZERO women think "he's good enough for a relationship but not hot enough for casual sex". Women do not want casual sex they are tricked into it by men, with the exception of a few very damaged women. The reason why it seems so hard for you to get casual sex is because so few women actually are okay with it. The demand far, far exceeds the supply. By being short term thinking, pleasure seekers baboons, men have created this problem for themselves. Secondly, men…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 05:57 PM
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Women SHOULD be picky. You are picking someone you want to spend the rest of your life with and have kids with. It is the most important decision of your life. Men should stop trying to fuck women they don't actually want to have kids with or even like very much. The problem is men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 05:40 PM
1

Never seen this in my group of friends so I have no clue. Sounds gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 05:37 PM
1

Ok fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 05:31 PM
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"Families have more fights than strangers. Therefore strangers are more affectionate with each other." <- Your logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 05:24 PM
1

Oh you had to go to a poor asian country to find a woman okay with this. That explains a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 05:22 PM
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I didn't say you were justifying harassment. You are saying women get approached just for being women, well yeah? But the important part is what comes after, not the approach itself. It seems weird to be so hyper focused on the approach itself, which is over in a few minutes. I mean I can agree that approaching must suck for men, I'll give you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 04:53 PM
1

Men say this on Monday then argue for financial abortion on Tuesday.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 04:46 PM
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I would like to talk to Miss Moral myself. I don't know any women who would be happy with a man who believes her value as she gets older. I suspect you didn't tell her this directly. And you keep trying to twist words to make it sound good in your head because you want to believe that you are a good person. You are trying to spin it in a way that preserves this noble image of yourself. Let's be clear though. You value women for their youth and she becomes less valuable to you as she gets older. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 04:39 PM
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Ok change nsa sex with "fun" sex versus the "boring" marriage sex that you don't seem to value at all. Not all men view youth as a commodity. It's mostly sickos on reddit that feel this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 04:14 PM
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That's what are you are trying to do right now. You are asking hot young women to have nsa sex with you now and in exchange you will give them loyalty in the future. It's disgusting and no woman would want loyalty from a man who sees her youth as a commodity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 04:02 PM
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If you value youth and beauty now, you will continue to value youth and beauty in the future. She will lose value to you as she ages. All that honor and obligation stuff is hamstering to justify your desire for young pussy. You are trying to strike a bargain with women by exchanging her youth now for your loyalty later, but women don't want to be with a man who is with them out of obligation, internal or external. We don't want to be a man who sees our value go down as we age. Your bargain is in…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 04:00 PM
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You obviously value nsa sex with hot young girls and are just justifying it by saying "well I will stay with her when she gets older" But if you find having a family boring now and don't find an older woman desirable now, what makes you think you will value these things in the future? Red pillers are always going on about how past behavior determines future behavior and to beware of reformed sluts, but that's exactly what they are themselves. "I will stop desiring casual sex with hot young women…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 02:37 PM
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Younger women are more likely to divorce you later.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 02:31 PM
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Yeah it's so infuriating when they accuse us of settling for betas when we get older. How can they say stuff like this and not see that it's all projection? They are so sad they don't get rewarded with a couple years of hot young puss for settling for a poor old hag and having a family with her. Poor poor men. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 02:22 PM
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If you truly think that our value primarily lies in our youth and beauty, and only are with us out of obligation, then you are doing us no service. Please discard us so we can find someone who actually wants to be with us and not secretly pining after young hot women and longing for the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 02:18 PM
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If you think my youth is my best, why should I waste my time on you? You are going to see me as less valuable as I age? Fuck that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 12:43 PM
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It's not the woman who is settling... Check out the OP. They want to fuck her senseless for a couple of years and enjoy her youth and beauty before starting the "boring" family life. He is anticipating having to settle and wants a few years of nsa sex with a hot young girl in some kind of weird bargain that he is trying to make with women. Women don't want to be with a guy who thinks having a family with her is boring and would rather be having sex with younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 12:41 PM
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No when I complain about men its about the men on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 12:36 PM
1

All you are saying is that men approach women and women don't approach men. So you could say women are privileged for not having to approach or men are privileged for not being harassed constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 12:35 PM
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More like male solipsism is so pervasive that it is impossible for you to escape your own head for even a moment and think about seeing the world from a perspective that doesn't value the same things you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 11:56 AM
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Makeup doesn't affect the male market value at all. It has just upped the attractiveness threshold for women. Men get used to seeing women with makeup and so even a pretty girl without makeup suddenly looks ugly. You see this all the time on threads with photos of super models and actresses without makeup. Men are always shocked at how "ugly" they look.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 06:50 AM
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Men will come up and try to get sex from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 06:37 AM
2

Yes it is. The big difference is a man still has to “become” to get any type of girlfriend. All a woman has to do is literally exist. This is not true. A woman can't simply exist. She has to be sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 02:13 AM
1

I like it in theory but not in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 08:59 PM
1

No, read the OP again. You completely missed the point. Women can get sex whenever but they don't want sex so having sexual access to a lot of men is no big privilege to them. Just like men can give attention to lots of women and not have to fuck them, but men don't want this so it doesn't feel like a privilege to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 08:58 PM
1

Nope. Every single woman on this planet has experienced this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 08:55 PM
1

No I have normal female sexuality. I didn't start hating sex until men ruined it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 08:54 PM
1

Duh? If you want to scam men for money use a picture of a hot woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 08:53 PM
0

Women don't like sex generally. The whole "women like sex just like men!" is something lib-fems tried to push to make men and women to be the same. It's not true though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 08:53 PM
1

So you would agree to be in a relationship without sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 08:50 PM
1

Those are bots dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 05:14 PM
0

That's the whole point of the analogy. Every woman can offer her body but she doesn't get what she wants out of the exchange. Every man can offer attention/companionship but he might not get what he wants out of the exchange. That's why your comment didn't make sense given the topic. You said "well yeah a man can give friendship but he doesn't get sex"....that's the whole point!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 05:12 PM
1

Those are bots. I'm talking about real women trying to date men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 04:04 PM
4

We have to become sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 03:55 PM
-2

I guess? What does that have to do with the conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 03:52 PM
1

Then you can understand how women don't like giving sex when the guy is just going to leave too. My orgasm count is lower than my partners. Most women fake orgasms and you should probably lay off the porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 03:50 PM
3

Women don't ask for money like that unless they are a cam girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 07:35 AM
3

Why? Men would never get any sex if that were the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 06:59 AM
2

If you like a person you don't want to hurt them. You know that rejecting their advances for sex will hurt their feelings, so you just go along with it and pretend to enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 06:58 AM
1

That's been pretty much all of my relationships with men except they all except sex too obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 01:53 AM
10

Every man can give attention, company, comfort, and security which is what RPillers are calling BB these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 01:47 AM
3

I would do this if the guy didn't expect sex. My ideal would be having someone to love and take care of that doesn't expect me to fuck him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 01:43 AM
8

Having a conversation over dinner is also a human connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 01:40 AM
3

You definitely have, you just didnt realize it at the time because women are good at faking enjoyment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 01:39 AM
2

You don't enjoy giving presents to people? You don't enjoy taking your girlfriend out to eat? Also, sex is not enjoyable for many women, especially casual sex. We only have sex because men want it so badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 01:37 AM
3

In fact less attractive people probably are more loyal but will treat you worse because a lot of abusive behavior comes from insecurity. Like my first boyfriend wouldn't let me see any of my friends or family because he was afraid they would convince me to leave him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 07:40 PM
3

It just doesn't work that way in real life. Maybe if you averaged it over an entire population, but on an individual level there is no guarantee that dating a less attractive guy will mean he will treat you better.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 07:32 PM
3

Yeah when they finally get laid their true colors come out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 07:27 PM
1

So then I guess according to you it's too late for you. Women shouldn't date you because you've already done all the growing you are going to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 07:26 PM
3

Men of all attractiveness levels can be shitty people, yes. You don't agree? Do you actually believe that only hot men treat women badly?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 06:55 PM
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You are fooling yourself. This is all just hamstering to justify your desire for young women. You don't reach 30 and stop growing. You don't reach a finish line at a certain age and never have to work on yourself or your life. You keep learning, growing, and struggling with the hurdles life throws at you until you die. Notice I never said I want a rich or successful man. This isn't about me or what women want at all. It's all about your boner for young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 06:53 PM
3

Women have lived experiences too. I never dated Chads. I only dated LVM and they do the same stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 06:27 PM
1

You can't have a loving caring relationship where you broth grow with an older woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 06:24 PM
1

You are so self interested in your advice. You advised me to "grow with a boy" because your dick gets harder for young, virginal women. It's not because you actually care about what's good for me lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 06:10 PM
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They do the same shit though. It's not just Chads pumping and dumping women. There was an incel here who told a story of the one woman who gave him a chance, and he pumped and dumped her because she was fat. And then he proceeded to shame her because "if she were skinny she would just chase Chad". This was the one women who was ever nice to him according to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 06:06 PM
3

Even if they are just bragging, why would you brag about seeing women as an expendable hole to fuck? You find that perspective so admirable that you pretend to have it? I don't see how this is any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 05:56 PM
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You guys live in a fantasy world where all the unattractive, short, overweight nerds are kind and loving and loyal, and all the attractive men are the ones pumping and dumping women. In real life it's not that simple. I WISH it was. Unattractive men, incels, nerdy men, they still are men. They still want sexual variety, they still want to explore their options, they still idealize casual sex. In fact, they probably idealize it even more because they feel like it's a forbidden fruit and like they…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 05:48 PM
5

Behavior doesn't tell you directly what the other person is thinking. For any given behavior, there could be a multitude of motivations. For an example, if someone doesn't text you back immediately, it could be that they weren't into you, it could be because they didn't want to seem desperate, or it could just be because they didn't have their phone on them. Hearing how men talk about women online narrows down all these possibilities and tells us exactly why men behave how they do. They only vie…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 05:40 PM
5

No men do the same thing. "She thinks of me as a BB!"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 05:32 PM
4

Yes, so?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 05:29 PM
3

I guarantee that the men who say this are thinking "I don't like hot women, I like cute women" and the reason is that they associate being hot with being a slut and being cute as being 'innocent'.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 05:22 PM
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I'm not sure why you phrased it that way except to try and make me look like I was proposing a government sanction against thinking certain thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 05:14 PM
1

So you agree that the men here say they want to pump and dump women, but you just think they are lying? Here are a few examples. They don't sound like they are lying. I have a much stronger sex drive and much less flexibility. As a shorter than average guy, unless I want to pay for it, I have to feign all the behaviours of a boyfriend to find sexual relief. I have to lie, and scheme, and manipulate because attractive women don’t sleep with men my height unless I bring more to the table than myse…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 05:04 PM
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Option (c) It is disgusting and appalling and unethical and I need to warn other women how men really think of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 04:13 PM
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Do you think that purplepilldebate is populated by Chads? It's not Chads that are saying that they want to pump and dump women on reddit, its incels and LVM.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 04:11 PM
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I tried to explain this with my hamburger example. You like hamburgers until you are force fed them daily. Sex is nice when it is not expected, not forced, and there is no threat of guilt hanging over your head for just not being in the mood. Men (unintentionally) create this environment where the girlfriend has to have sex with them whenever they want and to the degree that they want, or else she doesn't love them or isn't attracted to them anymore. It's better in the beginning because there is…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 04:07 PM
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I don't get why you would enjoy it. When the men here are asked why they don't go to prostitutes, they respond that it's not just about the sex, it's also about receiving affection and validation from the other person. But if the person doesn't care about you, then there is no affection or validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 03:49 PM
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There is only a small percentage of women that want casual sex and a large percentage of men who want it. At least with relationships the odds will be more in your favor since you have a bigger pool of women to pick from.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 03:43 PM
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Can men not recognize when a woman isn't into it? If you try to touch her leg and she just sits there avoiding eye contact, frozen stiff do men not recognize that she doesn't want to have sex? Why do they keep trying? Do you want a hamburger? No? Okay what about now? No? Okay I will wait. What about now? How about in 15 minutes? Its so fucking exhausting! You might like hamburgers but after years of this you grow to hate them. And don't worry I avoid men well enough on my own.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 03:35 AM
0

Why would you want to have sex with someone who doesn't care about you? Have some self respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 02:53 AM
2

You can just not go on social media? I don't even have any social media accounts besides reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 02:51 AM
1

Oh sorry then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 02:50 AM
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Romance is dirtied by sex because once you have sex with a guy he will always expect it and you can never relax around him again. In his mind every interaction with you will be a precursor to sex and you will feel this constant foreboding pressure. It would be fine of men let you relax once in awhile and maybe spend time bonding in some other way, but no. It always has to be about sex. Go to the zoo? You know he is going to expect sex later. Go for a walk? He's going to want to fuck when you get…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 02:50 AM
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Show me an example. And I am a part of fds and read it regularly and have never seen this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 02:37 AM
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Men create the demand, women are the supply. It has nothing to do with responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 08:40 PM
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Lol wtf. You literally made that shit up. Men don't see being in a relationship as being a "cuck" or an insult. I don't even think the biggest incels see dating as being a cuck. Being a cuck...is what makes you a cuck. I didn't make up. It was based on a conversation I was having with a guy today but other men have said the same thing frequently. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/fuxo44/which_gender_is_the_most_sex_negative/fmfctki/ Your whole point is undermined because even th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 08:38 PM
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I agree that what you talk about is an issue but it stems from an even more fundamental problem, the values of the modern man, likely shaped by porn and bro cultures on the internet. For an example, relationships are interpersonal and more stable than a hookup but men here view it as being a cuck and an insult. They only want short term gratification and don't care about starting a family or building something meaningful. Their values are so shallow you couldn't drown an ant.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 06:53 PM
1

Not men, you. You only value sex from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 06:34 PM
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80% men got a girlfriend and were cuck in college. Translation: They were having regular sex but its not good enough for you because your expectations and entitlement is astronomical. Point proven. because very few men go to college nowadays. Very few? Try most. Most men don't graduate but they still go to college. And that doesn't mean that the remaining men who don't go to college don't have sex either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 06:33 PM
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Agreed but especially men because they are generally the instigators. If men didn't push for hookup culture it wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 06:22 PM
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You also ignored me saying this several times... I have done introspection and I told you what my motivation was. Sure there are some deeper underlying needs for approval and meaning but I am not here for therapy and I don't care to prove myself to you. How many times do I have to say it? I practice introspection I just don't want to share with you because I don't trust you and I don't like you and I think you are an arrogant pompous douchebag who lacks self awareness and thinks he is better tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 05:43 PM
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promiscuous society means less sex for men not more because with out socially enforced monogamy most men get left out. Men have more sex now they just get greedy and think that the sex they have isn't good or frequent enough. Reminder 80% of men have some kind of hookup in college.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 05:34 PM
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Why do you think I don't engage in introspection? I do all the time, but I just don't care to with you. You just think you are better than everyone else and assume other people are dumb sheep and you are the only one in the world who thinks deeply. Get over yourself. Go ease your loneliness with your "definitely not a unicorn" girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 05:16 PM
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You should practice some introspection to determine why you are trying to force this issue so hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 04:12 PM
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Sexlessness is an example, it makes some men here bitter that it's harder for them get get casual sex. How did we get to this point in our society where men are so entitled and privileged that they feel bitter at not having sex on demand with young hot women without any commitment? It's so disgusting and pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:54 PM
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I have done introspection and I told you what my motivation was. Sure there are some deeper underlying needs for approval and meaning but I am not here for therapy and I don't care to prove myself to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:51 PM
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Can you people not have a discussion without making it personal? I am just explaining the thought process this is not about me personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:47 PM
2

Well you are one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:45 PM
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So the issue men have is not being a beta bux but their wives are just not hot enough for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:45 PM
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It's the same thing. Being a doormat = wanting to make the other person happy. She is drawing attention to the fact that women have sex with men for all sorts of reasons other than attraction. This may seem obvious but red pillers make all sorts of wrong conclusions based on this assumption. For instance if a girl had sex with guy A right away, they assume she must have been very attracted to him, but not to guy B who had to wait 3 months. But it's also often the case that the woman didn't want …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 05:36 AM
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A) I think ego is the primary driver of men. They want reassurance that they are better than other men and especially better than women. B) I think all low value men see sex as a source of validation and a high value men self validate through personal achievement. C) Yes given my criteria above. Seeking validation from other people is not satisfying in the long term. D) I am happy being alone so my heterosexuality/asexuality is not a problem for me.
/r/askFDS04/04/20 05:28 AM
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No I think you should only go for hotter women because you can't help your nature and will treat her better. Its better to leave uglier women alone then get their hopes up and then break their hearts when you inevitably lose interest in them over time.
/r/askFDS04/04/20 05:15 AM
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80% of women cant cum from vaginal sex but 100% of men think they so good in bed that this doesn't apply to the women they have slept with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 05:02 AM
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I think you are confused. No one is not taking responsibility here. We are telling you, as in men, why we women, do things sometimes. We are telling you that the reason we have sex with men is because men ask us for it and we want to make men happy or at least not upset. That's it. 'Taking responsibility' doesn't even make sense in this context.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 04:58 AM
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It just becomes a muddled mess because each person is giving and getting a lot of things, but just because a thing is given or taken doesn't make a tit for tat exchange. For instance, he is also giving me sex and getting my attention, but you wouldn't argue that he is exchanging sex for my attention. Sex is the thing he wants, attention comes along with sex and it is more of a necessary part of the relationship than a benefit. It would hard to imagine a relationship where we ignored each other a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 04:43 AM
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badphilosophy
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 04:08 AM
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Its always fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 03:40 AM
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But apparently not from the specific men from whom you want it. I don't understand what you mean by this. The man is already giving me attention and I am giving him attention. How else would we have a relationship? Utility (in the economic sense) is not defined by whether or not it comes from a diminishing resource which you are draining. Rather, you garner it from anything which satisfies any of your needs/wants. Well in that case everything is a utility even sex so that makes the term pretty m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 03:35 AM
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No that's just your interpretation of it because you don't understand the concept. You probably have never felt personally responsible for the happiness of someone else which ironically is a very childlike way of viewing the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 03:19 AM
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I wish more men felt the same, but they seem to value casual sex over what you described above and actually see being a boyfriend as an insult. Maybe they are the outspoken minority but they talk like all men feel the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:42 AM
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Yeah that's true. I will try to pay more attention to the normal voices.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:20 AM
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They just seem to be everywhere and I rarely see differing opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:16 AM
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I hope you stick around and comment, it would be refreshing to see some different viewpoints.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:15 AM
1

What do you mean? Do you disagree with the men here about most things?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:03 AM
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Yeah, that's fair enough, and I would agree that guys should avoid women with that attitude, and shouldn't pussyfoot around what they want. Right. So no "Netflix and chill" unless the guy actually just wants to watch Netflix and chill. Of course now that is pretty much synonymous with sex, so bad example, but maybe you get the point. I will say though that you seem to have a pretty shallow and un-nuanced conception of how men work... I used to think that men were complex, multi --dimensional ind…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 01:51 AM
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You either find a guy that is upfront about being a self absorbed or a guy who will fake caring about others to get what he wants. There is no other alternative so women sometimes prefer the first guy because at least there is no trickery.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 01:37 AM
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Im annoyed if a guy even tries to make me come because then I feel like I have to put on a show for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 01:34 AM
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Don’t know. That’s for you to answer. If you are like other women: attention, affection, protection, and stuff done for you that you don’t want to do (often including work) - but mostly attention. Attention is easy to get without even having sex. Affection yeah, but that's not utility. It's not a diminishing resource that I drain from a man. And men also want affection from me. It is a completely foreign concept in our relationships with women because women never do this. If she has sex with you…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 01:31 AM
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All you have to do to avoid women like me is just don't pretend that you actually like me for more than just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 01:23 AM
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That's also why you assumed I was getting some utility out of men. You simply cannot imagine doing something for someone without getting anything in return except the joy of making them happy. "If she is giving sex she must be getting resources or labor from him!" It makes so much sense now why Red Pillers come to the conclusions they do about women. It's actually how they themselves think and assume women must think the same way!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 01:20 AM
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I'm always honest. Guys just don't care. Men in general do not care if the woman is into it. That's why prostitutes and strippers and porn exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 01:05 AM
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Yeah I think you are right. One thing nice about indifference is that you don't feel a constant pressure to have sex. There is so much GIMME GIMME GIMME from men it's actually nice to find a guy who projects "I'm actually not sure if I want to have sex with you yet". It's amazing to find a guy that's on the same page as you! However, this can also mean that he is not into you so that can also be a turn off. Somewhere in between is ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 01:03 AM
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What utility? What is it you think I get from men? Giant projection. Nope. You can tell from how the men talk here. Doing something for the sake of making them happy with no expectation of a reward is a completely foreign concept to them. That's why they say stuff like "if there is no sex then what is the point of the relationship" i.e. " if I'm not getting exactly what I WANT then there is no point". They can't fathom being in a relationship simply because you like the other person and want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:56 AM
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Yeah sisters were to help the hikikomoris not herbivores. I think the commenter above might have confused the two. Then again I only watched one documentary on it so I'm not an expert.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:49 AM
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I mean its fine because I don't want anything from men. I am happy to only give. Making other people happy makes me happy. My main problem is that men demand more than I can give.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:44 AM
2

The 'sisters' just coax them out of the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:39 AM
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It's not about being a child it's about being unselfish and thinking about other people's needs instead of your own. This is the opposite of being a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:35 AM
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Yeah if it were up to me I would never have sex. I just do it because men seem to want it so bad and I want to make them happy. I think men also don't understand doing something for someone else or prioritizing someone else's needs in a relationship. They believe relationships are about getting the most they can out of the other person. For me and a lot of women it's always been about what I can give the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:32 AM
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I mean we can't control every single person that posts, it could have even been a man larping, but if its noticed by the mods its removed. Its not a doctrine of the sub, it's highly discouraged to have sex without commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:27 AM
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It is manipulative because women on FDS preach sleeping with random guys to have fun, meanwhile vetting other men for long term stability. No they don't. You are completely wrong. This goes completely against what FDS teaches. "Sleeping with random guys" is letting yourself be used as a free prostitute. FDS teaches NO sex before commitment. PERIOD.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 12:25 AM
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FDS doesn't condone FWBs of any kind. They call it being a free prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 09:12 PM
0

Maybe not but the discussion is with them, not men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 05:21 PM
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There is no sexless epidemic. There is a 'porn-sick men with sexual expectations too high' epidemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 03:40 PM
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No we don't....we preach not sleeping with any guy unless enough time has passed so that you can be sure that he is invested in a relationship with you and and actually likes you. It is not manipulative behavior. It is a defensive move in response to men who gladly fuck women they aren't interested in and don't even like. Stop fucking people you don't actually want a relationship with and we will stop making men wait for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 03:38 PM
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Oneitis is something different. The men here seem obsessed with their lack of casual sex, not their lack of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 03:18 PM
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You get more affection in a relationship so why don't men seem to want those as badly?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 11:12 PM
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I had a boss that used to casually grope me in a way that gave him just enough plausible deniability. He would also make comments like "Sarah would look good in that outfit" (the outfit was a skin tight body suit). Do you think I ever said anything? Not a chance. I didn't want to be THAT girl, the girl who causes drama and upsets everyone's life because of a rare butt touch. Maybe people wouldn't believe me anyway. This boss was super laid back and would take us all out to eat. Everyone loved hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 03:21 PM
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Maybe a little? It seems to me that they are only interested in enough social skills to get the woman into bed, nothing beyond that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 09:19 PM
3

PUA isn't about self-improvement. It's about tricking women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 07:45 PM
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Good: Improving your social skills so you can meet someone and have a happy, healthy relationship. Bad: Using psychological tricks to fool people into sleeping with you so you can get a temporary ego boost and then move on to the next person leaving your previous 'conquests' behind like used garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 07:44 PM
1

This is the first I've heard that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/20 01:05 PM
1

Not the majority but a lot more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/20 01:04 PM
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They are so fucked in the head. I can't imagine a woman thinking that dating an okay looking guy was in any way settling if he treated her well. Men are so shallow and one dimensional its the only thing they even consider.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy31/03/20 05:04 AM
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How can I still be shocked at how men think about women? I know how men are. I've been reading this stuff for years. It still shocks me every time. I just cannot imagine thinking this way. I am no saint but imagine being THIS shallow and one dimensional. Its sickening.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy31/03/20 04:58 AM
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You can't speak about how other people internally experience life with any kind of legitimacy. You can only make statements about their behavior. "Women don't experience visceral attraction to betas but Chads only" is a statement about her internal experience of life which you have no knowledge or authority to make a claim about. You can however say that women have casual sex with some men and marry others. True or false, this at least is a statement about her behavior. But then you can also say…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/20 04:45 AM
2

I don't believe that women regularly approach you asking for money unless you are talking about homeless women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 11:21 PM
1

Give an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 09:01 PM
2

Sexual attraction doesn't come before knowing his personality/character/demeanor/status like it does for male attraction to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 09:00 PM
1

Notice that the heartthrobs women have are characters from tv shows and movies, not just random hot guys. Women need more than just looks to feel attraction. Online dating is normalized but flipping through a catalogue of men is not the ideal for women. Women prefer to meet men through their friends or at least in real life because that's the best way they can judge if they like a man or not. A picture doesn't tell us much and I guarantee most women primarily use the pictures only to make assump…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:37 PM
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Of course it is. Why else do men complain about having to approach? Men have to take the initiative and go out and find women because women don't go out of their way to interact with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:24 PM
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The men that bring up that blog as evidence that women don't find average men attractive are wrongly trying to force women into the mold of male sexuality. Under normal circumstances, women do not have a romantic or sexual response to a still image if a man on a screen. Trying to use picture ratings to characterize female sexuality is going to produce meaningless results.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 05:48 PM
2

Im just mad at men and want to vent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 03:43 AM
2

They also yell at me and insult me just when I'm trying to go for a freaking walk.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 02:19 AM
6

Yes we get that men are shallow and prioritize looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 05:20 PM
2

It's not for women. Any sex that she has outside of a committed relationship hurts her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 07:24 PM
6

Give an example. Im sure it happens but the majority of women just leave you alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 05:37 PM
6

I disagree that women are attracted to them or reward them. That's like saying grandma's reward scam artists with cash prizes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 05:36 PM
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Women don’t consider men human. They see us as interchangeable utilities to move the plot along in the movie of their lives in which they are the only star. You are projecting here. Women see men as individuals and judge men based on their individual merits. That's why on dating sites they only match with men they are actually interested in and they actually read their bios. Men just see women as interchangeable holes and mass swipe on everyone because one hole is interchangeable with another. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 04:48 PM
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The worst women do is ignore you. They will leave you alone if you leave them alone. Men are straight up predators and will blame you and shame you for not agreeing to be abused and humiliated by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 04:39 PM
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Nah there is a lot more to relationships than sex and the sex is more meaningful since you are bonding with someone that will stay in your life and not with someone who will leave you lile used trash on the curb.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 03:29 AM
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Most short term activities that only give an initial dopamine rush without anything lasting or meaningful aren't healthy for people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 03:20 AM
3

Apex fallacy. I never had an all expense paid trip either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 03:14 AM
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With the exception of the affection article which doesn't include sex, your list only shows benefits to older adults having sex in committed relationships. The men here complain about having to commit to older women within a committed relationship. Furthermore several of your links say that the benefits are not as great or do not exist for women, further undermining your point. If you want a study showing some of the negative effects of casual sex, here you go. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 02:29 AM
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The kind of sex that men want isn't the same kind that has emotional health benefits. They want NSA sex with lots of women which actually has negative effects, but men don't care. They just want the validation hit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 01:43 AM
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Porn, weed, and video games ruined most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 09:51 PM
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Nah this is just a consequence of women not being visual like men. Basically all of women find the man they date attractive they just don't find strange men attractive when all they can see is his looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 01:16 AM
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The best case would be a person that did not value sleeping around, regardless if they were capable or not. The fact that men attach something so shallow and juvenile to their ego is beyond pathetic to me. Why not build your self worth to something actually admirable? Having sex is not an accomplishment. It doesn't make you a better person, a stronger person, a smarter person. Casual sex especially just makes you kind of gross and sleasey.
/r/askFDS22/03/20 07:17 PM
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The only thing worse than a person who slept around is a person who wants to be the person who slept around.
/r/askFDS22/03/20 07:18 AM
2

Their short term motivation is to find something that will work long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 01:47 AM
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If you look at studies on this, couples that waited to have sex ended up being happier and more satisfied than couples who had sex right away. Sexual compatibility is a scam.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 01:52 AM
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Hate them. Huge turn off. It doesn't matter how well done they are, they always look trashy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 01:49 AM
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No, I actually assumed that from the beginning because I like to think the best of people. Then I started talking to them and found out what was really going on. Most of the men can even get sex but it's from fat women so they say it doesn't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 01:48 AM
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Men only complain about not getting sex. They never complain about not having love, intimacy, and connection, and if they do it's always tied to obtaining these things through sex. It would be so refreshing if men would start caring about something other than sex but I haven't seen it yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 05:23 PM
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Are men able to make a conscious, rational change in their values in order to get their self esteem from other sources? For an example when I was younger I would be insecure about my big nose, but now I can reason with myself that having a big nose doesn't make me a bad person. Similarly, lacking sex doesn't make you a bad person. Men don't have to take a hit to their self esteem unless they place undue value on sex having.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 05:19 PM
4

Is that how you'll feel about your wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 04:41 AM
1

Do you think it would work for an average looking guy then?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 05:34 PM
1

By genetics, do you mean specifically your looks? Do you think you are just too unattractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 04:18 PM
1

Why do you think it didn't work?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 05:29 AM
1

The whole paragraph highlighted that men are more likely to assume sexual interest from attractive women even though these women are less likely to be sexually interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:36 AM
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You could get a prostitute with less effort or even just masturbate for the same good feeling you get from sex. What men want is the validation, or at least the ego boost. That's why they attach all these weird demands like it has to be "for free" and it has to be given as quickly as the last guy got it. Now maybe they don't actually care about the woman's feelings at all. I'd agree with that. They just want the feeling of conquering her or winning whatever game they are playing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 03:16 AM
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Their niceness and loving attention is just an act to acquire sex. That's why it disappears when they get what they want. You are good for a couple of hits and then sex with you isn't as validating or exciting anymore. They don't feel as motivated to keep up the act.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy11/03/20 02:33 AM
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You wouldn't empathize with a validation junkie who just wanted marriage proposals for the ego boost. That was my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 02:02 AM
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That's not true for the men here. If you talk to them you'll see for yourself. They have the option for relationships but they want casual sex. They even have had casual sex but not every weekend like they want. Or they can have casual sex but the women aren't hot enough for them. There was an incel here that finally lost his virginity to the first woman who was really nice to him. As repayment what does he do? Trashes her, called her fat, then complained he couldn't get casual sex with a more a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 02:00 AM
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I wouldn't be bothered I would just never see them again.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 03:39 AM
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It's more like asking you to empathize with women who only get 1 or 2 marriage proposals in their lives and a 2 thousand dollar ring instead of a 50k one. Most men get sex its just not good enough for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 03:35 AM
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Women can't guarantee they will have children with a particular man. I have no idea what you think I am saying now. Evolution doesn't occur over one woman's lifetime. Your example is exactly what I wrote, and is quite different from what you wrote and quite different from the above quotation. No it's the same, you just interpreted it weirdly. Why not address my point? What evolutionary pressure would select for women who are sexually attracted to men that they ultimately don't have children with…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 10:40 PM
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Because, if you didn't mean that, you just suggested that evolutionary pressures can predict the future. No, I'm not. Over many generations, what evolutionary pressure would cause a women to be attracted to men that they didn't ultimately have children with? Woman A is attracted to man A, woman A has kids with man B. Woman B is attracted to man B, woman B has kids with man B. Man B's genes propagate, not man A's. What evolutionary pressure would select for woman A over woman B? To be as specific…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 10:22 PM
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Because that's who they can get to commit. Would it perhaps be better to pay for genetic material from a sperm bank? Yes, it might! But, that takes resources ($$) and you lose the advantages of having a partner to help care for the children. It doesn't make sense for women to evolve to be attracted to men that they don't ultimately have children with. Who said anything about divorce? You said that getting married would be a bad financial move for these women. Getting married with the intention o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:52 PM
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Regardless of whether they think they have hit the Wall or not, women "in their prime" who want to have children generally do have children in their prime (i.e. 25-32 yrs old). Most women prefer to do this in the context of marriage. Even more prefer to do it at least in the context of an LTR (i.e. an agreement of some sort). Okay, I agree that children could be a motivation, but why would women willingly choose to have children with men they deem 'genetically inferior'? They don't. You are simp…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:31 PM
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I am talking about the majority, not the top 10%.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:25 PM
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Idk, that's just what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:16 PM
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To add to your point, women who wait to get married in their late 20s or early 30s have lower divorce rates than those who got married early. According to TRP, the older women would be the ones settling and more likely to divorce but its the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:32 PM
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There is no motivation to do this. Women aren't on mass removing themselves from the dating market in their prime to enter an agreement with a man they arent attracted to with the expectation of regular sex and no guaranteed financial gain, more likely financial loss. Its just a boogy man caricature from the dark recessives of the male mind who have replaced "true love" fairytales with "true lust" ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:24 PM
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You lie to pretend you want more than sex in order to get sex then you get mad at women for wanting more than sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:17 PM
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If you look at the statistics on this women are financial worse off after a divorce and their income is less than if they had just remained single. One of the biggest groups below the poverty line is divorced single moms.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:16 PM
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That's not typical.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 07:22 PM
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Well even if he is a girlfriend kind of guy do you want to be in a relationship with someone who isn't hesitant about being in a relationship with you?
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy27/02/20 07:20 PM
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That's OP's interpretation. I'm sure the women wouldn't describe them this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 07:18 PM
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The most reasonable conclusion is not that this guy is alpha or beta but that being involved in the party scene exposes you to the type of women who is down for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:39 PM
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Do you still want that now that you know how he is?
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy27/02/20 06:30 PM
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I blame porn for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:29 PM
4

I don't know what raw sexual attraction is or what makes it special. Sexual attraction is definitely part of the package though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:23 PM
12

Men say they wish women would select men based on character but isn't this exactly what is described here?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:01 PM
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That study is outdated. More recent meta analyses show that it either makes no difference or women are just more horny in general during the high fertility part of her cycle. Source . In evolutionary psychology predictions, women’s mate preferences shift between fertile and nonfertile times of the month to reflect ancestral fitness benefits. Our meta-analytic test involving 58 independent reports (13 unpublished, 45 published) was largely nonsupportive. Specifically, fertile women did not especi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 05:47 PM
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AFBB doesn't explain that either. It doesn't make sense that a woman would willingly enter into a relationship with a man she isn't attracted to for his financial security and stability only to exit this relationship to pursue other men when she has even less SMV than she did originally and when divorce would be financially ruinous for her. Nothing changed from point A to B except that she lost value and can only expect to get a worse man than she did originally. What I think happens is actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 05:31 PM
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I don't really understand these threads. She obviously spent a lot of money and surgery to look like that. What's the point exactly?
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy27/02/20 04:41 PM
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I don't know if we can convince them, but I would like to warn other women about how men think. Its actually much worse than what we were taught. Yeah every woman was taught that men want sex but not to this degree. I never suspected that men saw women as unworthy of anything except to be used as a cum dumpster. I actually hope TRP will continue to spread so that women can see how men really think of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 04:36 PM
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Yes. I know sometimes relationships don't work out but it really seemed that he just broke up with her because he was bored and wanted to have fun and not because she mistreated him or they had a difference in values. People who believe in "the one" often are never satisfied unless they find unrealistic Disney levels of perfection. They bail at the first sign of conflict because they base commitment on feelings and not character.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy27/02/20 04:24 PM
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They believe that a woman who has been exploited by men in the past is worthless and should know her place as trash. They get angry if the trash wants to be something other than trash. She should just suck dick with anyone who asks for the rest of her life and never try to be more than a cum dumpster. They get so angry when a woman tries to be treated more than a hole! It's so fucked up and I wish I was exaggerating but this is word for word what they believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 04:19 PM
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AFBB is male projection of their own nature onto women. Men want to sleep around until they feel validated enough and then settle down with a nice, non slutty girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 04:12 PM
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I made a thread asking them if they ever orbitted women in the past and why. They were all saying that they were naive and stupid and thought that it would make the woman fall for them. Why can't they recognize this same experience in women? Why can't women be people and learn and grow just like them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 04:04 PM
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It hurts a lot. This is why we need to viligantly protect ourselves from investing too much into men who aren't equally invested. You let yourself be vulnerable around him too soon. The good news is that as you older you will learn to internally validate yourself and not give a fuck so much. Also just because he is a human being doesn't make his opinion of you have any intrinsic worth. His opinion only matters to you because you like him a lot. But if you didn't like him, his opinion would be wo…
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy27/02/20 04:01 PM
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No it's not. It's healthy, natural female sexuality. Men watch too much porn and their expectations are warped.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 03:41 PM
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Yeah the more the men here talk the more I realize they are just awful people and I shouldn't waste my time trying to understand or reason with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 03:38 PM
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Men wouldn't ever be in a situation where they were made to wait if they were upfront and honest about only wanting sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 05:23 AM
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Well at least you aren't one of the many men here want to have meaningless sex with sluts and then later settle down with a low n count girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 05:21 AM
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If men aren't willing to wait then you think it's because they don't really like the girl that much and just want her for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 05:07 AM
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So you want to fuck sluts and then eventually find a nice wholesome girl for a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 05:03 AM
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How long will you hang out with a girl without sex being on the table?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 05:00 AM
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I don't believe it's possible to observe because the whole theory rests on assumptions about the woman's motivations which cannot be observed and are always assumed by men based on their own preconceived ideas. I would also like to ask men this. If you want immediate sex with her, why not just be upfront about it? She can take it or leave it. It seems to me that men are the ones playing silly games by pretending they enjoy spending time with her when they really just want her for sex. If you see…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 04:57 AM
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She also might like him more because she wants it to be special with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 02:53 AM
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They don't actually observe this happening. Its not like they are watching these women and seeing her fuck Chad the same night but making him wait. It's all imagined.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 02:51 AM
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It also asked about sexual satisfaction and frequency.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 02:48 AM
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He said he just wants to be free and casual and have fun and be single. Translate into real talk. "Free and casual" = he wants the freedom to have sex with other women. "Fun and be single" = a relationship with you wouldn't be fun. Don't listen to his buttery, slimy double speak. He is just trying to make himself sound excusable and keep sex with you on the table. The truth is that he doesn't think you are special enough to commit to and he finds casual sex with other women a more appealing. If …
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy27/02/20 02:47 AM
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Most women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 12:32 AM
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Uh I don't obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 12:23 AM
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Yes. Would you pass up someone you believed was or could be the love of your life just so you could have a few months of freedom fucking other people?
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy27/02/20 12:08 AM
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Use https://sci-hub.tw/ and enter in 10.1111/j.1741-3737.2012.00996.x in the search bar. That will let you read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 12:07 AM
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Participants were asked a series of questions related to the following factors, overall relationship satisfaction, commitment, sexual satisfaction, intimacy, partner support, communication, and conflict. For a couple of examples they were asked to rate on a scale of 1 to 10 how much they agreed with the following "‘‘We have had problems in our relationship because one of us has become less interested in sex,’’ and they were asked to give the frequency of... "In the past year, how often has your …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 12:05 AM
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Yes. The difference is what women want is generally good for society because monogamy is a good environment for children and also everyone can have one person to love, at least in principle. Men wanting a harem of women each for themselves with no investment is not only bad for other men but also women and kids too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 11:57 PM
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I'm sorry you are going through this, I know it must be extremely painful. He wants to shop around for sex but if he finds someone he likes enough he will want a relationship with that person.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy26/02/20 11:51 PM
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They do on this subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 11:49 PM
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Here's another one from Cornell. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2012.00996.x Over one third of respondents became sexually involved within the first month of the relationship. Bivariate results suggested that delaying sexual involvement was associated with higher relationship quality across several dimensions
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 11:45 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21171775/ Both structural equation and group comparison analyses demonstrated that sexual restraint was associated with better relationship outcomes, even when controlling for education, the number of sexual partners, religiosity, and relationship length.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 06:22 PM
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A lot of women can't enjoy sex if it's right away and also we don't know if you are going to pump and dump us. It has absolutely nothing to do with wanting your money.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 03:43 PM
1

Ok so men should be okay with the idea of masturbating and stop feeling entitled to sex from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 03:32 PM
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Except even if the woman wants the guy to commit, he is still getting sex. He doesn't lose anything and still gets what he wants. It's a victimless crime. She only hurts herself. When men have sex with women they don't actually like enough for a relationship, the woman loses value, time, self worth, and never gets anything she wanted in return. She is a victim of his predatory behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 03:29 PM
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They don't feel threatened by the presence of other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 03:16 PM
2

Yet the statistics support my point of view over yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 03:12 PM
2

I don't care about how you choose to label men better than yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 03:11 PM
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This isn't him being single for awhile to work on himself or recover from a bad relationship. He is actively out there looking for women. And you mean so little to him that he is not willing to give up even the possibility of having sex with other women to be with you. Maybe he is already fucking another woman and doesn't want to give that up. Do you really want to waste time with someone who is not enthusiastic about a relationship with you? I am angry at him for your sake.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy26/02/20 03:08 PM
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Men lie and aren't upfront about just wanting sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 02:51 PM
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People who wait have longer and more satisfying relationships even after controlling for religion and ncount. "Sexual compatibility" is exactly what OP said. A bullshit lie that men tell women to get them to sleep with them faster.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 02:50 PM
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He only wants to be friends with you to keep the possibility of sex on the table and he wants to shop around more because he think he can do better than you.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy26/02/20 05:37 AM
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We are going in circles now. You said "Never marry a slut". Just go back 3 or 4 comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 05:28 AM
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Yes I know, you did exactly what I said. When considering the correlation between promiscuity and divorce, you spoke in absolutes. When considering the correlation between youth and divorce you suddenly wanted to dissect the particulars. It's so transparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 05:22 AM
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Well they were terms created by men for men, not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 05:00 AM
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If he watches anime watch out. Most of those guys wish they could date asian women.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy26/02/20 04:41 AM
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Mentally feeble is generous. I would call it entitlement.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy26/02/20 04:39 AM
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I always wondered why men respond poorly to this. You spill put your heart to them and they always respond by taking a step backwards. It's true even for the guys who otherwise seem to really love you. My personal theory is that men hate emotional intimacy because it forces them to acknowledge that you are a real person with feelings. Seeing woman as people actually turns them off. They want to project their fantasy woman on you and this works the best when you don't say anything to break the sp…
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy26/02/20 04:34 AM
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You were willing to entertain the idea when marriage with a younger women was the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 04:06 AM
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I am sure she has woken up unhappy multiple times over those 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 03:13 AM
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Yes I wish women could see how little men respect the women that fuck them. They would probably vomit.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy26/02/20 03:08 AM
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They think that if sex just becomes normalized enough then men will stop slut shaming, but that will never happen. Men don't respect or appreciate the women that give them sex, even though its apparently a dire need for them and in short supply.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy26/02/20 03:07 AM
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It means that I am choosing to be on the same team as him for the rest of our lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 02:54 AM
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What would you call a man who is family oriented, doesn't watch porn, is willing to provide, is willing to take initiative, and doesn't want casual sex? Would he be alpha or beta to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 10:27 PM
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I can't speak for the other women on FDS, but I am yes. I am very low libido though, so I am not sure it's worth anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 09:55 PM
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Not so simple. If she was vetting longer, yes. If she was riding the CC and then was vetting as long as those women who married younger, no. Now, however, I would agree with never marry a slut. So you just became the one man saying both things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 09:40 PM
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Our definition of a HVM is a man you would call beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 09:37 PM
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I don't know the individual stories of the women on FDS, but for me, it's hard enough just accepting gifts. I don't think I could ever be the type to demand them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 09:36 PM
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Are you making women jump through hoops by requiring sex early now when you didn't in the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 09:30 PM
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"Higher n-count increase divorce risk" Men: Yes! Never marry a slut under any circumstances! "Marrying a younger woman increases divorce risk" Men: Wait just a moment, let's consider all the particulars of her life and not jump to conclusions based on a single statistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 09:24 PM
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So what I'm getting from this conversation is that you believe we should pay attention to averages that fit your world view but ignore the averages that don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 09:13 PM
1

Some people manage to make it work and are happy with their decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 08:56 PM
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I think this is a normal part of the relationship process though, and its either porn or romanticism that causes people to expect anything different. Both the woman and the man stop doing the things they originally did to impress the other person. One doesn't cause the other, it just happens naturally as people become comfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 08:52 PM
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Men try to create moral justifications for their disgust. They make arguments for why 'sluts' are actually bad people and deserve to be used or hurt. That's why we are having this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 08:48 PM
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Okay, so might as well marry a woman with an n-count of 500? You don't believe in trying to reduce risks based on averages?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 08:45 PM
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Hmm, I would frankly be scared he was trying to sell me to a sex trafficking ring or something lol. Traveling overseas with a guy you just met seems very risky. There is something to the idea that allowing him to invest in you will make him like you more. Maybe you have heard of this psychological trick before, if you ask someone to do a small favor for you, it makes them like you more. I'm not exactly sure why it works, maybe people want to justify their investments or its the sunken cost falla…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 08:43 PM
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everyone knows that average men would be happy to screw anyone. Getting one to fuck you is almost the opposite of validating. So would hot men. I could easily find very attractive men that would have sex with me. It's no big accomplishment. Exploring a new body, getting to find out what makes that person tick, how they smell and taste, seeing if you can be the best they’ve ever had. Some semblance of idealization is needed to enjoy these things and it’s hard to idealize averageness. This almost …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 08:26 PM
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In that other thread they are not allowing women to learn from their mistakes. Instead of assuming she made mistakes when younger and now has moved past that, they believe she is lying about who she is to men and trying to pull one over on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 08:14 PM
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Okay, but it seems like you are the one using this same logic by giving a particular example to "disprove" an average. Saying "My girlfriend loves it when I act feminine!" doesn't change that women on average don't like feminine men. Saying "My PhD girlfriend broke up with me!" doesn't change the fact that on average PhD women are less likely to break up with you. You are strangely using an exception to the rule to try and prove that there are no exceptions to the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 08:11 PM
2

"In love" is not a feeling that lasts indefinitely. It is super intense in the beginning and then fades out, sometimes reappearing, but definitely does not stay at its full intensity forever. This is a good thing because it would be exhausting to be infatuated for a long period of time. Some people take this as a sign that "it wasn't meant to be" or that they are with the wrong person.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 08:02 PM
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I think if you were to look, you could find an equal number of these types of threads from men. Like these... 1, 2, 3, 4,. Also, I think that PPD shows the opposite. The men here claim that unless she is giving you porn star sex FOREVER, then she never really loved you at all. She was just using you for your money. This is a highly romanticized view of marriage. I think more women understand that 10 years into a marriage and after kids, he's not going to be taking you out on romantic dates and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 07:59 PM
3

Yeah, the fire that burns the brightest also burns out the fastest.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 07:46 PM
8

FDS does not want alpha men. We want men that are really into us and select men based on what TRP men would call beta behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 07:21 PM
6

I disagree with FDS on this one. I think early investment in a relationship before he knows anything about you is a red flag. I would rather him get to know me first, and for investment to be proportional to the amount of time we have been together. It seems more genuine that way. Also I have had guys show a ton of effort in the beginning and it really is meaningless. These guys probably were the ones who got bored with me the fastest. They love bomb you until you fall for them, then once they g…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 07:20 PM
8

It's just on average these women are less likely to divorce you. There are no guarantees with anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 07:15 PM
3

That they were cheating or being unfair to the women they chose not orbit. That subsequent women were less special to them than the woman they orbited since they were willing to give her everything she wanted without asking for any sort of payment for themselves (sex).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 07:13 PM
15

The most accurate and sane way to view a woman who has not taken finding a mate to marry until in her late 20s seriously is simply that she isn't a person who prioritizes marriage or someone who is probably not capable of upholding the fidelity of marriage. Marrying later decreases divorce risk for women, so the ideal (just trying to lower divorce risk) would be to marry a woman in her late 20s or early 30s who is college educated or even better with a PhD, with a low n-count, and who's parents …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 07:09 PM
3

Oh sorry. It was this one. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/f8m7tg/reformed_sluts_are_probably_among_the_worst_types/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 04:09 AM
3

I don't know, I'm not part of that 20%.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 04:08 AM
6

Women get crushes on their gay friends though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 03:42 AM
5

Studies show the opposite actually. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090626153511.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 03:39 AM
6

Then you are automatically eliminating 80% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 03:38 AM
2

You are still comparing your relationship in your head to past girlfriends though. Why not make her happy according to her standards rather than some abstract standard which is pretty meaningless anyway? And what if the behavior was what caused the relationship to fail? Would you still do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 03:10 AM
2

Because of this thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/ It got me thinking how men can even think like this and I thought maybe they believed it was true for themselves and therefore true for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 02:53 AM
1

I find this kind of thinking very weird and I would never want a boyfriend to do this. I would want our relationship to be new and fresh and for him to never think of past women at all. Why would you want to do the same thing that you did before if it didn't work in the past? Why would you want to be reminded of an ex? It seems very strange to me that anyone would think like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 02:49 AM
2

How did this work out with all the girlfriends after her? Did you never make a move on them until the same amount of time had passed in order to be consistent with the first woman you orbited?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 12:30 AM
3

Why did you break it off? She didn't leave her boyfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 12:27 AM
4

Well yes but it's due to my own choice and not because I can't find a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 12:21 AM
4

I have a lot of resentment built up about it now. I did want it in the past before I was pressured to do it constantly under the threat of guilt and being a bad girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 12:07 AM
3

Women have LESS consensus about what they find attractive than men do because male attraction is mostly based on fertility cues and those are the same across all women. Female attraction is mostly based on status and that changes depending on both her culture and unique context.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 11:55 PM
2

I don't get the icecream thing. For men the first woman will always be the best?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 11:47 PM
3

Yeah I believe you. It seems to be an experience most people have had. When you are young and have low self worth and no boundaries, you sometimes let people take advantage of you. Or sometimes you are just naive and think that the woman/man will like you if you cater to what they seem to want. Then you learn that it doesn't work and you try something new.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 11:45 PM
3

The women I'm inclined to orbit, or whatever, I realize probably aren't the kind of women I actually wanna be with in the long run. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 11:34 PM
1

So you will now willingly orbit any woman that you think is equally hot?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 11:33 PM
2

I'm glad to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 11:14 PM
4

No not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 11:11 PM
4

Someone suggested that to me and I said sure why not. I'd rather be in a sexless relationship than with a guy that pressures me to have sex when I don't want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 11:11 PM
7

Turnoffs: feminine or childish looks, like really smooth skin or pouty lips. Being very short. Also being very flexible. Being obese. Watches porn or anime, had has casual sex. Shows interest in anal or threesomes. Is a political science or business major. Is into martial arts or lifting. Too big muscles. Has an inactive lifestyle. Is a picky eater. Tan. Was or is in a fraternity. Younger than me. Loud and extroverted. Does drugs, drinks, or parties. Plays in a band. Has a tattoo. Admirable char…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 11:06 PM
3

Yeah I can see the punishment angle too. There is also that weird retrospective disloyalty thing they want to punish women for. "She should have saved her prime years for me!" But that being said, if I were a man, I also would not want to date a woman with a high n-count. It indicates a high turn over rate. It's the same reason I wouldn't want to date a high n-count man. So I would agree with their conclusion, I just think their supporting arguments are fucking stupid. It's so obvious that they …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 10:14 PM
5

It's so stupid that I don't believe that's their actual reason for feeling the way that they do. No sane person thinks this way. I think that the truth is that they just don't want to commit to a slut. The deception they perceive is a slut not always acting like a slut. This might 'fool' them into accidentally commiting to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 09:51 PM
7

Yes, if you were a beta orbiter in the past, you better be that way with the new woman too. Even if this strategy has perpetually failed, you'd better keep doing it to be fair. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 09:37 PM
4

A lot of guys seem to have oneitis for women that never slept with them (like orbiters), so is it really true that men need sex before they get attached?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 09:27 PM
3

Everyone is going to feel off occasionally. If you make a big deal about a temporary mood swing by trying to talk through it and trying to force her to be happy when she's not, you are just going to make things worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 09:17 PM
10

Yeah think it's weird when people want to have sex with someone they just met, or even someone that they know but don't like. I don't get it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 09:08 PM
8

This is an oversimplification but the Whole Package = absence of turn offs + admirable characteristics. There also needs to be an emotional catalyst to get the reaction going which is usually provided by the guy in the form of intimacy building, but it can also be just the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 09:05 PM
5

I believe in honesty even when it makes women look bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 08:50 PM
4

I never have ever thought of a guy as a stud so I'm the wrong person to ask. The only thing I can think of is that he's tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 08:29 PM
8

Yes, but I think that's the same for men and not really AF/BB. You would hookup with a hot but annoying dumb girl, but in order for you to want her for a relationship she has to be hot (to you at least) but also a viable long term partner. Maybe she needs to be smart and somewhat responsible too. If she is going to be the mother of your kids, the standards go up. It's the same with women. What I don't understand is why men would want to be the hot and annoying girl over the hot and smart/respons…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 08:00 PM
8

You would have to go to extremes to find it. Like a woman from a poor country willing to marry a white guy so she can come to America. Or an escort will to engage with a man because he is paying her thousands of dollars a month. But the typical woman isn't going to be with a man she isn't attracted to for some promise of an unknown proportion of his 50k even 100k a year job. If this wasn't the case, then men could just get on dating apps and subtly advertise that you make money and get women tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 07:44 PM
4

Men should make up their mind if they are hypergamous or not. Are you attracted to all types of women for relationships or just those equal or above you in looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 07:36 PM
4

No, we just say single.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 07:31 PM
5

Yeah I would agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 07:31 PM
6

The only time it happens that I think a guy looks cute immediately is if he looks very similar to another guy that already went through the whole process. Like if I have a boyfriend then all men who have features similar to my boyfriend will look attractive even if I don't know them. Edit: It also happens with celebrities. I never think an actor is cute unless I get into the movies that the actor is in.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 07:27 PM
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All guys look 'ugly' to me in the beginning and once I get to know them and they do and say the right things they become physically attractive. I don't know how it works it just does.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 07:00 PM
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Women don't believe in alpha fucks beta bucks. That's a male interpretation of female behavior. It makes sense to men but sounds completely alien to women. We are looking for the whole package, not delegating different things to different men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 06:53 PM
1

No we don't this is a myth. Ask the women here if you don't believe me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 06:16 PM
1

I disagree with FDS on this because if a guy doesn't know me then excessive investment is a red flag. He is not buying me stuff because he likes me so much, it's just part of his love bombing ploy to get me to be into him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 06:15 PM
2

Okay but don't pretend that men are somehow more democratic in their attention than women. Men aim for the stars MORE than women. They want the best of the best where women devote their attention more to men in their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 05:53 PM
2

Biologists distinguish between the two strategies for other animals. Why wouldn't we do the same for people? I know it's not a sharp divide, but it corresponds to two separate priorities that men have. These prioritizes result in different behaviors and optimization.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 05:51 PM
1

90% of the women I have known, including my wife, had every intention on sowing their wild oats when they were young--and they did. None of them had any intention on finding a husband until their late 20s or early 30s. That might be specific to your social circle. Do you agree that when the topic is discussed here on PPD, men generally are in favor of shopping around while young and women are generally not? The differential is what causes the demand for women into casual sex to be so high. and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 05:46 PM
2

Women enjoy knowing that the guy banging them has been successful banging other women. No we don't. No one wants to be just another notch on his bedpost.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 05:32 PM
4

Ew really? Did you ever tell the girlfriend?
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy23/02/20 06:42 AM
13

Yes it's an instant turnoff. No way I could ever respect a man who asked for either of those things.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy23/02/20 06:40 AM
1

If its the exact same people then it's probably a little bit of "Oh you think being a stay at home mom is so great? Then why don't you do it!"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 06:17 AM
3

You are getting hung up on the term. Just replace reproductive strategy with preferences or feelings if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 05:53 AM
3

You say a lot of wrong things I have to correct lol. I'll stop if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 05:38 AM
1

It's hard for me to understand where exactly you are disagreeing with me. But yeah, men are more selective when choosing long term partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 05:37 AM
0

I can't. It was removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 05:28 AM
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Right. There is no reason for women to pursue a path that is disadvantageous to them. Sometimes our historically established behaviors are no longer optimal in modern times, but being a hoe has never been optimal for women. Any short term reproductive strategy will be suboptimal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 05:26 AM
2

By strategy I don't mean men are sitting down with a pen and paper planning this stuff out. It is just innate preferences that results in different behaviors during a man's life. Men can switch after 24 hours because the new women is hot enough that he sees her as a good long term investment, maybe too good to pass up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 05:18 AM
1

Plenty of good men have sex. You just don't value it as much because it was within the context of a family. So the fact that you are idolizing drug dealer sex, probably because you view it as casual and exciting, tells us where your values are more so than women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 05:11 AM
8

There is no way this is true. I used to work at walmart and none of the women there were dating anything close to a doctor.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 04:54 AM
2

Well regardless of their ultimate intentions, it makes perfect sense to encourage men to stay at home and women to get careers if you want to dismantle traditional gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 04:46 AM
2

I don't think feminists ever encouraged men not to go to college
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 03:57 AM
1

In order to dismantle gender norms, you would need to make a role equally common for both genders. For example, it would have to be equally common for a man to stay at home and take care of the kids as a woman. Its not like that yet, so they keep encouraging men to adopt female roles and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 03:48 AM
2

Because like I said, you are trying to get rid of gender roles. They are trying to provide an opposing force to the momentum created by gender norms. It makes perfect sense. I think you just don't agree with it. I don't either actually but I understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 03:22 AM
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It makes sense. If you want to get rid of traditional gender roles you would encourage people to buck the norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 03:09 AM
1

Different conversation dude...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 02:29 AM
1

I wasn't asking for advice. I was drawing attention to the fact that the current dating environment does not cater to the preferred female dating script.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 02:19 AM
1

Aww :(
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 12:47 AM
1

On online dating sites, men disproportionately go for only the hottest women. Even though they spam everyone, even though they get much less messages than women, they still choose to spend the majority of their time pursuing only the hottest women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 12:43 AM
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To verify your point, whenever you dig deeper you find out that these poor "lonely" men aren't so affection deprived as they make it seem. Their outrage doesn't come from total social ostracism, but at not having a steady stream of porn star sex from a variety of attractive women, at least until they are ready to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 09:01 PM
2

You are assuming her evaluation of a man is fixed forever from her initial impression of a photograph in a very unromantic context which is absolutely false.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 08:42 PM
1

They only complain about it in the abstract and as memes. Looking at their personal stories you wont see much of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 08:13 PM
0

I was talking about men's problems not women's. But notice that no women here complains that she cant get men to commit to her. We are actually pretty good at filtering out the trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 08:07 PM
4

All of men's problems would be fixed if they only just collectively pursued and had sex with women they actually liked enough to be with exclusively.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 07:17 PM
2

If you look at actual studies on this, there is more variance in what women find attractive than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 07:14 PM
3

I don't believe this. No guy tells a woman that he is just interested in her for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:58 PM
6

How is great for me, an ordinary woman, to get a relationship with a family-oriented, non sex obsessed man when casual sex and porn is the norm and marriage is on the decline? It's only great for that small percentage of women who like casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:45 PM
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Also stuff like blow jobs, sex before commitment, and even anal is essentially normalized. The current market is set up so men can get everything they want. They don't like it because they have to compete heavily with other men, but that's because the male sexual imperative is extremely selfish and individualistic. With equal numbers of men and women, not every man can have a harem of women. Every man can't fuck sluts during his youth and then later settle down with a virgin. It's just functiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:40 PM
9

They aren't honest and upfront about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 06:07 AM
2

FDS is just filtering out men who don't want to wait. We aren't trying to manipulate or change anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 02:13 AM
3

Show me the post where a FDS woman says she wants different things from different men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 02:05 AM
2

I disagree with this. There is not a looks threshold for casual sex and a different one for relationships. It is the same threshold, perhaps the casual sex one is even a bit lower due to drugs and alcohol. Attractive guys are more successful at finding both casual sex and relationships because they pass the threshold for the most number of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 12:08 AM
5

It's not just a few rogue men, it's a unanimous voice. The ones that don't talk and think this way are the exceptions. But to answer your question, you can hate whoever you want without even needing a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 11:51 PM
7

All men until proven otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 11:28 PM
2

At least you aren't intentionally taking advantage of them then.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 11:27 PM
4

Did you know it wouldn't work out before you had sex with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 10:26 PM
13

I hate men almost entirely based on the views expressed by them online. The men I have dated in real life have been okay. I think this is because I am a good judge of character and have avoided the worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 10:19 PM
3

Yes that's what I think too. There is a small amount of men I would be willing to date, but that group will be vastly different than the group you would choose. Also its not rich handsome Chads in my 20% group. Its guys that aren't porn sick and share my values.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:32 PM
1

What women agrees that those things are true? I sure don't. If you are a woman and actually agree that you only want the top 20% of men can you please respond here?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:26 PM
2

You are beating around your implication here, but if you are afraid to say it out loud, fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 04:10 PM
1

He can be attracted to me but show restraint.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 03:36 PM
2

What was woman-like about her comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 03:34 PM
3

Why do you have an issue with what she said? She is not forcing her values on anyone else, she wants someone who just shares those same values.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 03:27 PM
2

If I have to "make" the guy wait, then we don't share the same values and he disqualifies himself for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 03:19 PM
3

A good man thinks long term and is not out for short term gratification. This is evidenced by the fact that couples that wait to have sex have longer and more satisfying relationships, even after controlling for religion and prior n count.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 03:05 PM
2

Most men have had at least one woman attracted to them at some point in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 02:23 PM
5

Ew. Get better taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 06:41 AM
2

I think you misunderstood my comment or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 06:24 AM
8

It used to be the norm until women started giving into men's demands.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 06:03 AM
6

So you only respect a man who does kissing, and natural normal sex. Anything more and it's into kink and porn category. Yes pretty much. Do you not have curiosity, excitement in dominating a man who is more powerful (money/physical power/influence) than you? No I have no interest in that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:58 AM
1

I don't think even high libido women keep a man just for sex unless she has some sort of mental disorder addiction. It seems fundamentally incongruent with female sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:41 AM
2

Yes but the same would be true for any kind of kink, even the non degrading ones. I assume any man with a kink watches porn and I cant respect a man that watches porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:38 AM
2

If enough women cave into male demands it becomes normalized, like blow jobs and porn are normalized now. So yeah women have a vested interest in stopping this from happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:33 AM
1

Women aren't men. That would totally be a male thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:22 AM
1

That's a lot of words to just confirm what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:16 AM
1

She made money from her looks when she was younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 03:16 AM
2

The thing about this that men don't appreciate is that if a woman is attracted to you, she is max attracted to you. You get to experience her highest level of desire. Most women never get to experience a man's highest level of desire because that is reserved for only the hottest women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 03:12 AM
2

Women are having children with these 'beta' men. That's not sloppy seconds. Men are mad because they feel entitled to irresponsible NSA sex with hot young women and are angry when they don't get exactly what they want. They don't give a fuck about having kids. The modern man is so degenerate that actually starting a family with a woman is considered a punishment or something they have to endure in order to have sex. They resent any kind of responsibility and value 5 minutes of humping with a dru…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 03:05 AM
0

I don't have friends or social media so not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 02:51 AM
3

The idea of him fucking another woman on Saturday and then meeting me for sex on Sunday is absolutely revolting. No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 03:48 PM
3

If a guy likes you enough to have sex with you and be your friend, why doesn't he like you enough to be your boyfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 06:14 AM
-1

There is zero appeal to this scenario. It would be the easiest thing in the world to resist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 11:23 PM
2

Same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 10:13 PM
1

I am going by what the men here tell me. They all make it very clear that men only care about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 10:02 PM
1

Men don't value anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 07:39 PM
2

The reason is because Red Pillers want to date young women. The justification is just there to make them feel better about their decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 07:32 PM
1

I would be interested in that but I can't say if it would be superior or not because I have never dated an asexual guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 07:30 PM
4

Most women aren't spending their youth having fun casual sex. Most women are in LTR's in college. Sometimes they get married, but sometimes they end up breaking up. There is no real difference between the two groups of women, the marriage group managed to make it work and the single group did not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 07:23 PM
1

There are some low value women that don't have a choice but to fuck guys in hopes that the guy will commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 07:16 PM
1

That example was meant to explain so you could understand my point of view. You probably enjoy buying your wife or girlfriend presents, But if she started demanding presents frequently, if you could no longer afford them, or if she made you feel guilty whenever you did not buy her a present, then it would start to feel like a burden. It's the same with sex. I don't think it's a burden until the guy starts demanding it all the time or starts making me feel guilty for not being in the mood.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 07:12 PM
2

They are it's just men don't like it because it makes them "beta bucks".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 07:04 PM
1

Is buying your wife/girlfriend a present on her birthday a burden to you? What if she started demanding presents every damn day?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 07:03 PM
1

Because if you like a guy enough to have sex with him then you like him enough to get your heartbroken. We don't detach emotions and sex like men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 06:21 PM
3

I don't have sex with men I barely know.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 03:55 PM
2

That's as good as you are going to get within the field of evolutionary psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 03:55 PM
1

I don't have any pictures. That was just an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 03:54 PM
1

Not entirely. I would look for someone with a low libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 03:53 PM
6

I'm on my phone but here is two. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1348/000712610X493494?casa_token=kuPu1n7MjwcAAAAA:KIualZqwIZSGC6_FgSMYe86mkmwfAM2mTjmlGmbyPStzpogprDG4WzWwEXlnROE7qvXreL4jmLOV6ZIS. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=related:xN2X8szwp7wJ:scholar.google.com/&scioq=aggression+and+sexual+selection&hl=en&as_sdt=0,26&as_vis=1#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DxN2X8szwp7wJ
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 06:04 AM
3

I'm just intrigued by your idea and wanted to hear the full justification. You don't think men are aroused by the female body?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 04:05 AM
5

No, I don't care about any of that. I've only ever had the opposite problem. Guys put a lot of pressure on me to cum when I don't feel like it. Then I have to fake it to make them happy and it's exhausting. I would prefer to not have to put on a performance. If a guy doesn't watch porn or request anything degrading that's what I would consider sexual compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 03:50 AM
9

Why would I talk to him about sex? Determining if a guy is interested in me for something other than just sex IS the test of sexual compatibility. Do you think I care if a guy can do 500 Hertz laps with his tongue or if his dick leans to the left or right? I couldn't care less.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 03:24 AM
1

I'm interested. How is a picture of a body part considered a performance?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 03:17 AM
27

Instead women attempt to substitute "getting to know someone" as an indicator of how good the sex might be (the correlation is likely poor). This is actually a perfect way to find out how the sex will be and you don't have to go through the heartbreak of being pumped and dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 03:11 AM
8

Yeah it seems extremely manipulative on his part. He was trying to buy your love.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy19/02/20 02:58 AM
48

"my gurlfriend has intense anal organisms"
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy19/02/20 02:47 AM
13

What would be over the top for you? Edit: Saw your edit. I never got that kind of treatment from decade long relationships. If a boyfriend bought me a present worth even half that I would be shook. I seriously thought reddit men just made up stories about men giving women stuff like that.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy19/02/20 02:28 AM
14

(That I NEVER asked for, and wasn't even over the top at ALL Like: giving me about $600, detailing my car, actual dates-which should be standard, fixing my garbage disposal, bringing me coffee, flowers and...I think that's it lmfao!) Wut.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy19/02/20 02:13 AM
1

I'm not trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 02:00 AM
3

Are you trying to make me puke?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 10:53 PM
1

Fine by me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 10:36 PM
13

I don't mind men like this because at least they are easy to weed out.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy18/02/20 10:07 PM
8

That says something more about how intellectually underseveloped the average woman is in comparison to a man. You mean the opposite. Women have to go older just to find our maturity match. Youth has firmly established biological roots that signal fertility I know but that doesn't make it any less gross to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 10:05 PM
17

Actually if you look at the research on this topic, aggression probably evolved due to intrasexual competition and altruism evolved due to sexual selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 09:47 PM
10

What you are seeing is just disgust at male sexuality. The male preoccupation to near prepubescent women is disgusting to women. I don't want to date those men and I'm not trying to shame them into dating me. I am just grossed out by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 09:43 PM
2

Yeah I know it is what it is. I just try to aim for the guys that are less pedo than the others.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 09:40 PM
74

Also, LVM will use women like this as practice to get hotter women. You might think that he will love you more since you gave him a chance when no other woman would, but this is absolutely false.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy18/02/20 09:29 PM
20

An 18 year old guy would seem like a kid to me even if he's "of age". If a guy is attracted to the youngest possible woman while still being legal, then I'm going to assume that the law is the only thing holding him back from fucking kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 09:18 PM
1

I think it's common although I don't know if its the majority of women. Some women here seem to feel differently. Yes, sex is absolutely a burden. And a husband can be a burden if he asks for sex too frequently or if he asks for specific acts that are revolting to the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 07:29 PM
1

The end result is the same. I want a guy that I can have a family with who asks for the least amount of sex possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 07:21 PM
3

They aren't sexually repulsed by them, they just don't want sex as much as he does. When you have something shoved in your face constantly without any regard to your feelings, you start to hate it even if you liked it before. It's like being force fed cupcakes. You can start out loving cupcakes but eventually you get so fed up with them that you never want to see another for the rest of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 06:13 PM
2

For me it means that I can fully relax without having to worry about if he is going to try to have sex with me. Also feeling no pressure to do something that I don't want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 04:19 PM
4

Most people want both.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 04:00 PM
1

If I don't know him very well, no. And I don't care about orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 03:47 PM
-1

Why did you have sex with her then?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 06:08 AM
2

Why don't you want to be in a relationship with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 05:43 AM
1

You are clearly trying to pull a Motte and Baily on me. No one says that hypergamy is women liking x traits while men like y traits. You are softening the claim to make it easier to defend.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 05:26 AM
2

It was more like "date me and you can have threesomes!" I puke at my past self.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 04:25 AM
4

I should have mentioned that he would pay attention to me first before I did all this. So I would know that he liked me a little. And I don't do this at all anymore. I used to get really upset because no one would do it back for me. Now I just say no when people ask me to do something that I dont want to do. I feel like a bitch but if everyone else is doing the same thing maybe I am fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 04:24 AM
1

So far we have only established that our nature is roughly comparable. Neither of us want to date undesirable people, although you probably dislike fatness more than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 04:18 AM
0

Different women do different things. Pretending to like whatever kink he is into is another big one. When I was a teenager I did so many cringey things like pretend to be a lesbian for male attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 04:07 AM
1

Do you like fat single moms with mustaches?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 04:02 AM
1

I usually transform my whole self to adapt to his interests. I think this is normal for women. That's why women started playing video games and watching anime and sports. It's so men will like us.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 03:48 AM
1

Whenever people mention men's desire to have nsa sex with lots of beautiful women, even men who may not want that seem to understand and agree that's a urge they sometimes have. I have never felt anything like that with how women's sexuality is described. Nothing every made me think "yes, that's what I want or feel". All of it just seems like what men want but projected on women. Like how they say we want to have casual sex with Chad and later settle down with a BB. That's more akin to what THEY…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 03:46 AM
1

That tells me nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 03:36 AM
1

Assuming that there were other men that did make me wet? No. And that's not what people mean by hypergamy. Plenty of guys here say they can't get hard for fat women, so by that metric I'm less hypergamous than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 03:25 AM
1

I never did and don't regret it one bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 11:30 PM
1

Some things are obvious. Like a teenager crying over not getting enough instagram likes you just know its not a long term road to fulfillment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 11:28 PM
1

Be very good at a cool sport.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 11:11 PM
2

Larper.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 11:06 PM
1

I don't think sex is fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 04:26 PM
5

I do this because I am not a social person and just want to be left alone. The very existence of other people annoys me, but if you try to talk to me I will outright want to murder you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 04:17 PM
3

What is this hypergamous imperative I am supposed to be feeling? Can some woman describe it to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 02:13 PM
3

No. I could never have sex again for the rest of my life and never miss it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 02:03 PM
7

There are some phenotypes that I also write off immediately, but for me that's the exception rather than the rule. Most guys look good enough to potentially be attractive if I get to know them.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy17/02/20 04:51 AM
1

There are several posts, including some on the front page right now that explains its not about the money its about effort. We are weeding out low interest men that want to get sex as easily as possible. We are not trying to find a rich man so we can take his money. HVM =/= rich man. It's on the front page if you were trying to find something beyond outrage porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 04:48 AM
20

I can't be attracted to a man unless I know him personally for a few months. The only exception is if he looks like a man that I already know and like. Then I can find him attractive immediately.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy17/02/20 03:23 AM
2

Oh okay. Sorry then.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 03:20 AM
3

But you ghost them so you are actually more shitty to them then guys that are just assholes from the start. At least the assholes are honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 03:08 AM
2

They controlled for total partner count. So even people with high n counts (not tradcons) had better relationship outcomes if they waited longer to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 01:36 AM
2

It's admirable of you to try.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 01:13 AM
1

What were they?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 01:02 AM
2

You are too good for this place. The men here are horrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 01:01 AM
4

Married twice, divorced twice?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 05:41 PM
4

Your expectations are too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 05:32 PM
3

Fuckboys don't commit or introduce you to their parents. I only sleep with guys within a committed relationship stemming from a prior platonic friendship. Since I only dated friends I already knew about his relationship past. If they ever had casual sex or any other suspicious behavior then they weren't an option for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 05:31 PM
5

Divorce or a previous engagement is also a huge red flag, agreed!
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy16/02/20 05:05 PM
4

Actual studies show that longer wait times lead to happier and more satisfying relationships so I don't think that waiting for sex filters out high value men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 05:04 PM
1

Many women here have never slept with or been involved with fuckboys so you will have a hard time convincing us that this is true when our lived experiences show the opposite. My guess is that this is a case of selective attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 05:01 PM
2

What if a married men has sex twice a week but the fuckboy gets laid once on the weekend and only with drunk women. Who would you say is higher value?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 04:54 PM
7

What does it really mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 04:53 PM
11

It's easy to fall for the 'dude in distress' spiel. Especially when they seem like they had their hearts broken by an "evil" ex that cheated on them. Before I figured out that it was 90% lies, it would make me want to swoop in and be the savior girlfriend.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy16/02/20 06:48 AM
5

Yes all of these would be absolute deal breakers! Very good points.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy16/02/20 06:25 AM
7

I think that there are only a small number of women that participate in casual sex so it seems harder to obtain, but women are still more selective for relationships because you will end up having to live with the guy. He has to be more than just tolerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 03:33 AM
8

Your experience is interesting to me because a lot of guys here claim that only Chads get the casual sex "reward" and other men have to "pay" with a relationship. I'm guessing you don't agree with this sentiment?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 02:52 AM
1

Something like that I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 02:30 AM
8

Reading what men say on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 02:28 AM
3

That's what I really want actually. Find a nice guy that I can cook and clean for and who won't expect sex from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 02:27 AM
12

It's like a woman valuing you as an emotional tampon. All you have to do is sit there and nod. That's a form of "inherent value" but you don't care about this at all because you don't want to be used as an emotional tampon. Well women don't want to be used for sex so having that value is a bad thing. Basically every man we interact with wants something from us. Its like being surrounded by MLM salesmen all the time. They act friendly but almost always have ulterior motives. It's worse because th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 02:25 AM
5

Nothing bad happened to me. All the men in my life have been nice and never hurt me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 02:03 AM
12

You only value women for sex. That's worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 02:01 AM
2

What part?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 01:39 AM
3

In a committed loving relationship without any porn stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 01:34 AM
1

I am not expecting anyone to love me unconditionally, what I want is a break from the constant demands and pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 12:24 AM
12

Sex is not fun, it's a burden and not validating at all for women. It can be nice but only under specific circumstances, circumstances that men find boring. Plus men not only don't appreciate the women that fuck them they actually punish women that have sex with them by calling them sluts and damaged goods. They may not say this directly to their faces but even online we pay attention and take note. The only way I can have value and be respected by men is to not fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 12:20 AM
2

That's insane logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 02:15 PM
1

It has more to do with narcissism I think. The kind of people who want to be the best at something are generally narcissists. That's why a lot of the top people like Isaac Newton, Picasso, John Lennon were such assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 07:27 AM
1

You don't understand because you see relationships as "what's it for me?" I never saw relationships like that and still don't. I see them as "what can I give this person that I love?" I never expected anything back. This isn't about that at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 07:07 AM
1

That's what we are doing at FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 06:55 AM
2

In all those Disney movies, the princess didn't have to earn the man's love with sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 06:53 AM
3

When you first start dating a woman, you are on your best behavior. Years later, two kids later, you get comfortable and don't try as hard. Does that mean that you settled for her and don't love her as much as other women you dated ten years ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 06:14 AM
-3

Good looking guys date good looking women and good looking women don't need to put up with that. Sadly, a lot of uglier women feel they have no choice but to debase themselves to get approval from men.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy15/02/20 05:26 AM
0

I always did that for men. I gave them whatever they wanted no matter how I felt. I did it because I loved them and wanted them to be happy and I put their needs above my own. No man ever did the same for me and I was okay with that. But once in a while I get tired and I just want a break and then the guy gets upset and makes me feel guilty just because I want to sit in silence after working all day and cooking him dinner and now he wants more more more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 04:58 AM
0

I'm not asking you to care. You asked me to stop shaming men and I'm telling you why I am not going to stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 04:54 AM
1

Yeah there is no good advice out there for women. I can't think of a single piece of advice that actually is useful outside the obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 04:52 AM
13

I never got even that.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy15/02/20 04:39 AM
0

I believe it is shameful though. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 04:31 AM
0

Nope. Relationships last longer and are happier the more the couple develops the relationship prior to having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 04:30 AM
1

Like I said, I don't think it's wrong, I just never would trust someone who can enjoy sex while knowing the other person is not enjoying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 04:27 AM
0

Sex is still part of the relationship it's just not the predominant feature.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 04:23 AM
5

It's impossible to respect someone who makes threads this dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 03:54 AM
1

What religion was it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 02:08 AM
2

Men act like it's the only thing they care about. Even in this thread men are saying women are only good for sex and women have no value other than sex. If you care about other stuff then bring it to the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 02:56 AM
1

Relationships where couples wait to have sex last longer and are happier than those where sex happens right away.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 02:20 AM
0

You already have that. Sex is always part of romantic relationships. Why can't you enjoy something else other than sex? Why can't we just have completely sex free days just like we have days completely free of going to the zoo or days where watching a movie isn't on the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 02:19 AM
2

If she dumps her emotions on you everytime you hang out, if she complains when you try to center your time around some other activity, if she only half heartedly does other stuff in order to appease you long enough to start venting again, then yes, she just wants to use you as an emotional tampon and doesn't see any value in you beyond that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 12:23 AM
3

OP isn't saying she will NEVER have sex with him over the whole relationship. When you start having sex with a guy they start wanting it ALL the time. Every time you spend time together it becomes about sex. Can't we just relax and play a game without the impending doom for once?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 12:16 AM
6

If a girl wants you to spend money on her every time you hang out and gets upset if you stop buying her things for a week or two, then yes, she just wants you for your money.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 12:12 AM
1

A romantic partner is all inclusive when it comes to intimacy. With a friend or relative certain things are off limits.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 12:10 AM
5

What's so wrong with wanting a guy who values you beyond just sex? Lust and the novelty of a new romance will fade. Long lasting, happy relationships are built on something other than just sex. If a guy insists on having sex, then he doesn't really like you for anything but sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 12:00 AM
1

No I'm not. It's normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 06:26 PM
3

I am not being hypocritical since I don't do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 04:53 PM
5

And the vast majority of men pressure women into having sex when they don't feel like it. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 03:21 PM
2

I could agree with that argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 02:24 PM
7

I couldn't enjoy myself knowing that the guy wasn't having fun. I'd be miserable. I think most women would agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 02:22 PM
1

I want someone from the same social class and same values as me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 02:20 PM
4

I don't think they are evil because the prostitute consented to the exchange. However all the fun in sex comes from the bonding aspect, the act of enjoying something together. If you take that away, it seems weird to me that anyone would enjoy it. It just makes me wonder about what goes on in the guy's head. He must be able to objectify women and use them as a masturbatory device which is a bad sign. He also does not need the woman to enjoy herself in order to enjoy himself, another very bad sig…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 11:41 PM
2

I want his parents to have money, but I don't care if he has any or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 08:07 PM
21

It's strange to women that men would want to be with someone that does not actually want to have sex with them. How can you enjoy yourself knowing that the woman isn't enjoying herself? It is the same characteristic that men use to rape women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 08:05 PM
4

You are so right.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 11:14 PM
1

Drinking and drug use heavily correlates with mental health issues and relationship problems. I would never date a man who did either of these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 06:05 PM
1

They were involved with drugs so that qualifies them as messed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 02:29 PM
5

Its the opposite. If you have ever seen photoes of bdsm or poly communities you would notice that all the participants are of below average attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 11:46 PM
1

And those women are messed up mentally.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 10:28 PM
2

That's not true though. Women have more variance in what they find attractive than men do. There have been studies on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 10:27 PM
1

No I'm not. Its just a consequence of women being the sex that invests more into their offspring. It's biology and biology doesn't care about fairness or making things even.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 10:25 PM
3

I think this doesn't happen very often. It resonates as true for the manosphere because it reflects some of their deepest fears, but in reality women are just unsatisfied with life in general. They project blame for this unhappiness on their marriages. It has nothing to do with them being more sexually attracted to some other man. It's not about sex at all. The men here want to make everything about sex because that's all they care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 05:21 PM
2

Hmm you might have a point. I am basing my opinion on reddit men, not real life men. The men in my life have never had a problem committing. I just assumed that this was because I am an excellent judge of character and can spot a player from a mile away. But maybe its just more common than reddit would make you believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 05:03 PM
1

Yes I agree that its human nature and not specific to men. It's just that male sexuality happens to be hedonistic and anti-social (pump and dump) and female sexuality tends to be restrained and pro-social (make a family).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 05:01 PM
7

Men don't want to control their urges. Give them an inch and they want more. Give them sex and they want NSA sex. Give them NSA sex, and they want NSA sex with more women. Now they are angry that they can't have casual sex with multiple, attractive women indefinitely until they are ready to settle down, then they want an untouched virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 04:44 PM
2

I feel the same lol. Male sexuality should be repressed much more than it already is. All the problems we see today in dating stem from men having too much freedom to express their sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 04:34 PM
3

We could take a poll. I am +1 for being demisexual borderline asexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 04:31 PM
8

I always thought everyone felt this way, even men. I assumed that ONS only happened to drunk or high people. It's pretty disappointing to find out that men don't value relationships in the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 04:30 PM
1

Which specific chick lit are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 04:19 PM
1

If you have ever had a kid want to play the same game over and over again, I liken it to that feeling. Yeah you don't mind playing the game at first, but after the kid starts demanding that you play it over and over again every day, you start to hate that fucking stupid game. There are so many other experiences to have in life but men are fixated on the one experience of sex. Can't we go for a walk or cook together, or do one of the million other experiences that life has to offer?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 04:17 PM
4

No it means you need an emotional connection before any kind of sexual attraction happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 04:06 PM
7

Nope. I was undervaluing myself to the extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 02:35 PM
1

Its more about what his parents make. A guy from a very poor or very rich family is going to have different values than what I'm used to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 04:31 AM
2

He's a jerk to the woman he's fucking so yeah, he is one of those people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 04:19 AM
1

The problem is not with your observation its with your interpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 02:41 AM
1

Women would prefer good men if given the option. Just like the men here would prefer good women but still end up getting screwed over.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 01:55 AM
6

Should have watched more sex in the city.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 01:52 AM
1

Women do generally pick older men, yes. And also most men meet their husband while they are still in their peak smv so what does that tell you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 01:46 AM
2

Women don't go for men they aren't attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 02:12 PM
1

It's not suspicious, men generally become more desirable as they age. They increase in masculinity, maturity, and financial security, all things attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 02:11 PM
2

I hate hugs. Don't touch me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 03:19 AM
4

The real question is would guys be drooling over the 20 something year old if they met her when she was post wall. Doubt it. That's where this idea comes from. Men are salty about having to settle for 30 yo women. They are mad at past her for not magically meeting them sooner so they could have her prime young flesh /gag.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 02:49 AM
90

No but I regret wasting most of my life on the first guy that seemed to like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 10:51 PM
4

When I take care of relative's kids I am exhausted after a few hours. I would much rather be doing my regular full time job. Do you sit them in front of a tv and tell you to leave then alone or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 02:08 PM
10

This is a relic of a patriarchal society and has nothing to do with feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 02:03 PM
3

A
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 04:50 AM
2

To make your situation perfectly fair, although it is still not fair for the tax payers or the child, the man should have two options: Get a vasectomy and be freed from any financial burden, or choose not to get a vasectomy and then be obligated to take on 100% of financial and labor costs of the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 07:18 PM
6

I never really thought about this but its true. Women we have to change our bodies to get men to like us. For instance they find our natural armpit hair disgusting. Men will actually call having hair in certain areas unhygienic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 05:55 PM
6

I have cohabitated for most of my life and I am older than most redditors here. I have had an argument that involved raised voices maybe 5 times in my life, and at that point I leave the situation to cool off. I would never let an argument escalate to physical violence, no matter how mild.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 05:50 PM
2

100 years ago men had to pay for ever single pregnancy. Now you don't have to since women can get abortions. You have it better now, but only now are men are saying it's unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 05:43 PM
7

I'm not a saint but I've never hit/slapped/or even shoved anyone as an adult ffs. What kind of world do you live in?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 05:36 PM
1

Women having control over their bodies helps everyone. It helps the woman, society, AND the man. If you stop allowing women abortions, what good would that do for anyone? If its men you care about then ending abortions would only be making more men have to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 05:33 PM
5

No.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 05:06 PM
7

Good job spotting his manipulative tactics. You are absolutely right.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/02/20 04:59 PM
6

I would go farther and say to never reveal any information about yourself that might be judged negatively. I think women do this because they want connection and intimacy. In order to build intimacy you need to be vulnerable and have the other person accept you anyway. This is the dream but it doesn't work. You are just handing the guy reasons to dislike you and he WILL eventually dislike you. He is never going to love 'the real you'. Either accept being loved as a fake fantasy or accept not bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 04:50 PM
2

I think a better comparison would be a guy lying about being a virgin which I think most women here would say is fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 04:43 PM
5

Read the thread...he is asking women to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 06:54 AM
6

The question was for OP who wants to change society by asking women to change their behavior. Since OP is a man it's reasonable for me to ask why not try to change the behavior of his fellow men instead of women? All the incel types do this. They come here and appeal to women to change. I am genuinely curious as to why they don't just try to get men to stop being such sluts if they want monogamy. Women already want monogamy. Its men that's the driving force behind hookup culture and degeneracy s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 06:41 AM
2

Why do you think men go on dates with women? To try and have sex with them as quickly as possible. Do you think sexual compatibility a thing? No. It's a bullshit concept men spew to try to get us to have sex with them as soon as possible. You can learn everything you need to know through talking. What exactly are you going to find out through sex? Are you worried her vagina is too loose or something? You clearly have a negative view of men. Correct. But most men aren't going to wait some 3 month…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 06:35 AM
1

Do men enjoy getting to know a woman BEFORE sex? Does spending time getting to know a woman ultimately make the sex more enjoyable for men? Yes or no.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 06:04 AM
48

I'm proud of you sis!
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/02/20 05:31 AM
3

Men do choose because they don't marry the first woman that fucks them. They use her as practice to get hotter women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 05:14 AM
65

I don't think I can ever be as strong as you guys honestly. The truth is that deep inside I don't feel like I deserve anything good and that's why I choose to be alone.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/02/20 05:03 AM
1

Play sports and try to be better at it than everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 04:41 AM
20

Yep. It makes me sad how normalized this stuff is.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/02/20 04:14 AM
1

You just said basically the same thing I did in different words. Men don't like long build ups prior to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 03:53 AM
1

The emotional buildup is the only thing that has the possibility to make sex enjoyable. Sex too soon is guaranteed to suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 03:51 AM
46

Sexually compatible = doesn't ask for anal threesomes or something he saw in porn.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/02/20 03:48 AM
5

Why don't men limit themselves by only fucking women they want to marry?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 11:28 PM
2

This is an interesting point and I think I agree. For instance scars make a man sexier because it means he had some injury but was strong enough to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 06:54 PM
2

At least you wont be the sucker that fucked a guy that doesn't respect you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 06:04 PM
4

Regardless of what he feels inside, from the woman's perspective, he treats her with respect up until they have sex. Sex is the point of demarcation between being treated nicely and not. So if you want a man to treat you with respect indefinitely, never have sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 02:57 PM
2

In this case it was negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 02:54 PM
2

So you agree with my assumption...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 02:53 PM
4

It does. The important thing to remember is not to take the temporary as permanent. Relationship damage would happen by attaching undue meaning to a momentary lapse in attraction. We have these fairy tales that the ideal relationship is a constant state of being infatuated and in love, so when this doesn't happen we start to question our choices. That's something I think the men here don't understand either. Attraction ALWAYS either diminishes, fluctuates, or morphs over time. They think that if…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 02:53 PM
7

Even without the other man, attraction waxes and wanes over time. It doesn't damage the relationship unless you let it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 01:52 PM
1

No lol. Only top level comments need to be from men. I am allowed to respond to the comments here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 05:43 AM
28

I might be in the minority here but I don't trust guys that put in a lot of effort in the beginning. He doesn't even know me. If he does a bunch of romantic shit right from the start then he undoubtedly plays the same script with every girl. Sustained effort over time is the true test of whether he's actually invested and not just trying to seduce me.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy03/02/20 05:41 AM
1

Yeah I forgot. Also you don't seem to understand the rules of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 05:32 AM
1

Oh it's you again. I forgot I had decided to ignore you too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 05:30 AM
2

His posts never make any sense that's why I didn't bother responding.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 05:24 AM
4

Seems to me that every guy likes video games, MMA, and Jeff Rogan podcasts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 04:05 AM
141

Why would leaving for another country ever be a reason to have sex with someone? This seems like the perfect reason to NOT start having sex with someone. Men are so fucking weird.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy03/02/20 03:53 AM
5

I hate dating and would prefer to meet someone starting from zero expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 03:46 AM
1

I don't judge the people that treat me well and give me what I want. I show them gratitude, respect, and loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 03:41 AM
16

Oh my god you poor thing. I feel so bad for you! I hope you have the strength to leave him or at least phase him out. Please keep us updated!
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy03/02/20 03:38 AM
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