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CMVtheogfrankcastle/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 11:28 PM
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Probably cuz it isn’t as bad as a lonely man
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:28 AM
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Ur minimizing what in this case would be a crime
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:43 AM
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Exactly. White ppl always win with every framing under that lens
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 04:09 AM
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Yup, and then they act oblivious to what they’re doing by suggesting it was common sense all along lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 06:12 PM
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Oh well
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 05:38 PM
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I didn’t compare men’s and women’s looks, I compared the perception of their looks (+ earlier I even said the comparison arises due to various factors). Thought you’d be smarter to figure that out
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 05:28 PM
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Lmao no, there is “whining” going on for a reason which is why OP literally made this post Anyways, I don’t think u actually are agreeing with the extent that I am positing the difference in looks barrier is for men vs women and that men know how high their looks barrier is for certain treatment OP is referring to
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 05:09 PM
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The subjective part muddies the whole conversation and gives false hope instead of acceptance of what it rlly is, which would yes get in the way of what OP is trying to achieve
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 05:02 PM
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This is the rhetoric that I think gets in the way of what OP wishes every man would just accept ^
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:47 PM
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Lol, I disagree that the EXTENT to which it is accepted that looks gives u more leeway is not mainstream yet. I think most would say the same thing. And to ur second paragraph, that’s literally what I said in my response, don’t complain about the “whining” then from men
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:46 PM
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Lookism has higher barriers to receive certain treatment from women than the other way around (which happens for a variety of reasons), that is the colder truth which I’m referring to that many women either unintentionally or intentionally (due to the implications it leads to) want to gloss over and act like doesn’t exist
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:40 PM
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Well, ur admitting it’s true and so guys should accept it and move on. The issue is that isn’t universally accepted where not every women will even admit this is true, and so this “whining” ur complaining about will not resolve until it’s become mainstream that lookism is real and u need to have hit a certain genetic lottery as a man to experience certain (or any) treatment from women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:25 PM
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While I do agree, the difference imo is that that’s reactionary and not the initial cause
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 04:42 AM
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Ik
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 08:18 PM
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True Also I said 6ft+ for height, not just the “taller than me” height phenomenon which I guess sure I’ll give u that, could be argued to be slightly rooted in biology
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 03:34 PM
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So the same way as most of the other preferences for women (eg. 6ft+ height)… wonder what this says about those women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 02:56 PM
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U don’t see why marrying a man who’d also fall in that category (ie. both, like yall were talking about above) is ideal then?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 03:45 PM
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Saying you’d have a one-night stand with someone is basically an indicator that you’d have sex with them with no strings attached
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:39 PM
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Well the point is that if ur in that group of guys she’s enthusiastic enough to fuck, ur already in a very small group (ie. there’s wayyyy more she rejected) It doesn’t matter that there’s other guys, it’s the proportions here
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 05:39 PM
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I’m not even factoring in the other stuff. Like I said, don’t get fooled by her skincare, I wouldn’t say her actual facial features make her that much more attractive than Akaash
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:47 PM
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I’m talking about her
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:35 PM
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Don’t get fooled by the skincare, she’s not “leagues above him”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:34 PM
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U don’t expect that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 12:57 PM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 12:15 AM
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Depends what ur view is on other races as well
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 12:01 AM
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Probably ur dating choices, specifically an overwhelming gravitation towards white men and a subconscious view of POC men as unmasculine/unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 11:30 PM
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Should there not be some sort of balancing force to account for the huge attraction difference & behaviour between the genders that nature or god (if u believe in it) has instilled in us? There’s wayyy too many benefits to being a women and absolutely zero for men if we don’t acknowledge & allow those ideas to perpetuate
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 08:56 PM
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The counter would be those guys who once they find out they’re friendzoned / have been rejected, immediately leave the girl because that then signals that the relationship was superficial anyways and not a real friendship
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 11:32 PM
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If ur not implying what im assuming ur implying, then there wouldnt be a need to reconsider political ideology
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 02:32 PM
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Promotes vs allows for are 2 different things
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 12:32 PM
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Curious what ur take is on the bus stabbing incident and how to proceed forward
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 03:45 PM
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While that’s true and I agree with u in principle, I think my first point is what makes everything trickier to accept: that both genders at the end of the day WANT a relationship. Not having one or never rlly succeeding in this department of life negatively affects most ppl’s mental, and so they seek out relationships. Simply telling someone to step away from relationships just seems like what a privileged person would tell others.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 02:47 PM
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That’s just being extremely reductional. The first reply’s statement simply comes down to both genders wanting a relationship to settle down with, but men having less options than women. Considering both of these, would u not say that comparatively, women would be the pickers?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 02:22 PM
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End thread lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 06:12 AM
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What about most of them being on the uglier side disproves hypergamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 06:13 PM
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Because it’s hard to problem-solve something that inherently has quite little tangible solutions. For a lot of men, you either got it (to attract women) or u dont, and for the latter group, putting huge amounts of effort very often doesn’t bring even a quarter of the results that those who “just have it” get. For example, if everyone could work towards being 6’3 tall, having A+ charisma, completely rearrange how their skull is shaped (ie. looks), getting women wouldn’t be something that’s compla…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 02:09 AM
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Not in reality. But that’s simply the label given to that specific type of women (ie. the men-hating bitter women on those subreddits that OP is citing for example)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 12:22 AM
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Yes , women and men literally will lmao. U can only get away with the same level that women are socially accepted to put on if you’re gay
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 02:35 PM
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Got way more tools to do so and society/men allowing u to use them to your will. Not that fair of a comparison
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:50 AM
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Yup agree, face over everything. And ya that’s smart of u. I usually say, ppl should go with that approach u mentioned or if they wanna go all out + have the time/money, they can try their luck at surgeries to fix where their bone structure didn’t develop as attractively. Women can get away more with slight recession and stuff (cuz it can actually give a cuter look), but surgeries for higher bonemass are much more high-upside for men
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:47 PM
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Rlly appreciate that comment , glad it does make sense to others too when I say it out loud haha. And ya i could accept those numbers
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:34 PM
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Hard question lol, is 75% too high or low u think?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:58 PM
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Right pic definitely exposes how unattractive his bone structure actually is (the increased balding also doesn’t help his case). Regular ppl who don’t have a model-like skull & frame need fat to hide deficiencies. Leaning out just exposes them, which it clearly did here Women aren’t lying when they say “dad bod” and how they need a little bit of fat on men. Some fat on most men with a slightly muscular physique is our version of frauding and making sure we remain attractive to women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:52 PM
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Getting to rlly low body fat % only benefits you when u actually have good bone structure underneath. Otherwise, u need some fat to hide the deficiencies and make sure ur not exposing how unattractive u rlly are, which is why women definitely aren’t lying here. Women do love abs , but only in men where the rest doesn’t look bad. It’s not a dealbreaker or necessity if it compromises other aspects of ur attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:47 PM
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No no I know that, that part of the statement wasn’t for the pic specifically but rather a general statement for all men that I was getting at. Ur definitely right about the muscles being probably the same or even less in the right pic, he clearly went on a cut. The real truth I was getting at is that here, his facial structure (and more balding in the right pic) let him down. Being a “gymcel” who tries getting to low body fat % is a two-edged sword: it’ll make u much more attractive if u have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:37 PM
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Exactly. Low body fat % is a two-edged sword: it’ll make u much more attractive if u have the bone structure underneath it (because then it rlly showcases how great it is), but if u don’t, it just exposes how bad ur face rlly is. That’s why for the majority of ppl, we obviously do not have a model-like skull or skeletal frame, so u need at least some fat to hide those deficiencies. No need to force yourself into eating disorders!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:28 PM
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It’s just a case of men having the wrong understanding of the female gaze, which as evident by the number of men confused here, is why so many men are just lost & feel like women are aliens. For the vast majority, more effort in the gym and muscles don’t make u attractive, that’s just gymcel cope. I’m a guy and I automatically knew the one on the left would have been found more attractive by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:15 PM
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Ur description of the different types of ppl is 100% correct, but he’s saying that u can get away with being that person with little impact on ur dating chances and having ur partner accept it, only if ur a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 05:59 PM
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Not exactly. There are relationships outside of marriage u know, I’m referring to sharing only being okay by women when it’s casual
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 06:42 AM
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Ya that’s who I’m honestly referring to lol. My flair is “black pill” after all, lookism trumps a lot. I was just trying to stay consistent with OP’s wording
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 06:40 AM
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Women wouldn’t mind “sharing” a high-value man in the sense that they would want to fuck him while having no issues with him also having a very active sex life (because other women also are attracted to him) You’re conflating that with women being okay with sharing a high-value man in marriage, which i think is absolutely very very rare. You’d be hard-pressed to find any real examples that are actually true love
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 05:15 AM
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Ya we’ve finally realized that it wasn’t “bad boys” all along but rather, it was good looks. The behaviour displayed and positively reinforced from “bad boys” is not something you can emulate to achieve success if you don’t have their level of looks
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 08:42 PM
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No, it’s because it’s a different game that women have to play. Women have most definitely “gamed” dating and “cheapened romantic interest” from their end as well, just in different ways because they are generally not the pursuers. It seems like u are trying to frame changing one’s behaviour to get more of what they want in a very negative and biased manner when men do it, but that is quite unfair unless u don’t want to admit that women are strategic in dating as well
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 07:10 AM
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Well I was directly responding to what u were labeling as feminine. But I guess if we are staying along the same lines, I’d imagine opening up emotionally would also lump in with what ur referring to as feminine - basically things women are allowed to do that men aren’t given the same grace when doing
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 10:59 PM
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It’s one of multiple examples of WOMEN being repulsed by the feminine in men tho
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 05:27 PM
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Your standards? This whole thread isn’t personal, it’s about other women / women as a whole
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:09 PM
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It’s implied in the dating process when u have standards higher than u should
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:00 PM
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I see what ur saying, but I’d still be curious what that person’s assessment/ranking of a “nice guy” (as per OP’s description) would be then. Unless a “nice guy” doesnt even get seriously considered compared to the 2 categories mentioned above 🤷🏽‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:55 AM
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Well usually u want those kinds of ppl (genuine badness) to be upfront & honest around u so that u know to watch out and stay away from them. But the problem OP has is the phenomenon that relationships with women are weirdly the exception to this, with those ppl being rewarded lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:32 AM
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I don’t think the point is that there’s only those two options, but rather, that the former is still less attractive than the latter (which OP has a problem with)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:25 AM
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U rlly do switch from topic to topic when I get u at something lol. But anyways, sticking to just what u said here, idk why u responded as if im talking about what u should do when we’ve been talking about society this whole time… Clearly if like I mentioned, society incentivized being non-shitty, those ppl would take over the role in couples where there is a shitty person being rewarded with a relationship AND there would likely be the added effect of shitty ppl wanting to improve their behavio…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:21 AM
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Yea I had to double take this top comment here lol, she’s literally saying there’s ONLY 2 groups of men and both of them at the end of the day are only there to fuck 😭😭
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:11 AM
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So does EVERYONE deserve a cookie for being less shitty than some other person? Your first comment^ Anyways, if we aren’t all shitty like ur saying u actually meant (and like I said how there’s an objective line), what is the issue in incentivizing not being shitty ?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 07:53 AM
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It literally would tho. I get what ur saying about changing the label of nice guys to “less shittier guys” and how it’s subjective depending on the perspective u compare it to, but there’s definitely an objective line one can cross to enter the realm of “shitty person” (and those are behaviours we can deincentivize lol) By going with what ur saying, that leads to no real incentive to improve one’s behaviour because none of that matters (“we’re ALL shitty so who cares who’s shittier than who”) an…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 07:36 AM
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I mean, if we’re aiming for a better society over time, it’d be advantageous if we reinforced better behaviour. But alas that will never happen because at the end of the day, looks make us shut off the “rational” part of our brains 🤷🏽‍♂️ I get ur nihilistic view that “theres always someone worse so who cares” but I think ur just avoiding the discussion if u are complicit in that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 07:06 AM
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When u join a conversation but end up missing the whole point
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 12:25 AM
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Viewing specific ppl as creepy isn’t tho, and that’s what we were talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 12:10 AM
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Yup, ppl aren’t willing to openly state & reflect on their preconceived notions because doing so will shatter their own “Self-Righteous Bias” and force them to admit that their behaviours/choices aren’t truly free of bias
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 07:07 PM
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Cuz it’s an easy cop out to avoid further thinking about a topic that may lead to cognitive dissonance from what the reality might be lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 11:02 PM
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Need something harsher and more genetic than that. Maybe WHR (waist to hip ratio) , lol idk Women are lucky
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:48 AM
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Holy shit this is so good 👏
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:36 AM
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U can’t be disappointed if ur reality stays the same. Majority of women are voting for self-serving reasons , why should that sector of men be altruistic to women in situations they’d never find themselves in (needing an abortion) lmao It’s a completely idiotic expectation that lacks perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 03:34 AM
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Would it be less cringe to u if he’s choosing amongst a pool of younger women (ie his choice is still based on other factors after the “age weed-out”)?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 06:18 AM
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Bro posted in r/purplepilldebate instead of r/lengforgirf by accident 💀💀💀💀
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:57 AM
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By incel content, I think they mean discussions about looks (which typically falls under Black Pill stuff which this sub rlly tries to avoid lol). But oh believe me, I’m probably with u on anything looks-related
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 04:12 AM
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That would make sense as a response but I’ve often seen this as a response (combined with liking other guys pics as well sometimes tbf)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 06:35 AM
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Agreed , but cmon we can still talk about parts of it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 06:31 AM
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While you may be right when looking at all black people, but aren’t her stats correct for successful/high-earning black men?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:51 PM
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I’ve seen that already but cmon, u know its disingenuous to see that and conclude someone is gay
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 10:52 AM
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Myron isnt gay lol wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 10:14 AM
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I’m having such a hard time picturing how that would look like 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 04:34 AM
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But what if the opportunity presents itself because of him putting his time and effort into a girl (I.e. dates, texting, gifts, etc.) and not just because it happened ?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 12:58 AM
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You’ve never seen the posts excusing men for cheating but not women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 12:34 AM
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But in most situations, I’d say it’s fair to say that it’s not equal between them both and the women get more attention. Hence my post. While I agree, it doesn’t matter the gender - cheating is bad, u can still always say which is worse of the 2 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 12:32 AM
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But didn’t u just cite the investment that men have to make? “Taking her on dates, courting her, buying her stuff”. Seems like a lot to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 12:06 AM
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Did u not read the first 2 sentences bruh
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 11:37 PM
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Lol Do you agree tho or na?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 06:27 PM
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If you’re not religious yourself, I don’t think it’s easy to get a virgin gf nowadays (unless your rlly young ofc)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 06:25 PM
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Your bang on with this post OP Clout is the biggest trump card a man has in today’s dating market. If you have huge clout (and thus money and status), the dating dynamics change drastically. Now women are the ones chasing you. Now you get to pick “the cream of the crop”. You get to experience what it’s like to be a women in today’s dating climate. But the caveat is that it has to be in something respectable. Not clout for something that undermines you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 06:19 PM
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Clout is the biggest trump card a man has in today’s dating market. If you have huge clout (and thus money and status), the dating dynamics change drastically. Now women are the ones chasing you. Now you get to pick “the cream of the crop”. You get to experience what it’s like to be a women in today’s dating climate. But the caveat is that it has to be in something respectable. Not clout for something that undermines you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 06:12 PM
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Cheating But I’m a HVM, it’s just “exercising options” /s
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 03:15 PM
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I definitely agree with what ur saying. However, I don’t think black men should be in that mix nowadays (correct me if I’m wrong)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 08:12 PM
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Lol look at my last post. I agree with that statement and said this exact thing in it (that if women wanted to be promiscuous, there’s no logical reason not to in today’s society)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 06:13 PM
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Because then they have to factor in what many of those men’s preferences would be (if they wanted to maximize their probability of success)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 06:08 PM
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I agree, we should never shame anyones preference. But just saying, if we were being shamed as a man, it shouldn’t be as severe as a height preference because if WE HAD TO choose which of the 2 was more shallow, it’s obvious that it’s the height one
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 05:53 PM
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Look at my last para, I 100% accept it - there’s nothing we can do about it. We can’t convince women to suddenly fall in love with short guys lol. But if we’re comparing the 2 preferences either party gets heat for, I’d say at least the n-count one makes sense (and thus, shouldn’t get as much heat as it does). Whereas a women saying they wouldn’t date anyone below 6’ for example is way more accepted (but is more shallower than the n-count preference). This post was just pointing it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 05:42 PM
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I agree with u, I personally think low n-count people should be for low n-count people. However, we've got to unfortunately accept that it's not about women "wanting" or "being forced" to marry community dick, it's that those men tend to be what more women themselves are attracted to (the n-count itself isnt what's attractive, but a man with a higher n-count is PROBABLY going to be more attractive than a man with a lower n-count, because they were able to get those women and then chose to fuck t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 05:40 PM
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Oh I see, I actually do 100% agree with that and it is important for women to have high preferences for who they should fuck. But you may have misunderstood my post (or I wasnt clear enough). Women's height preference is a lot more accepted than a man's n-count preference - even though height is the more shallow of the two and at least the n-count preference has real benefits to a relationship. The purpose of my post was to point this out. Just because I think a preference is "shallow" doesnt me…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 05:35 PM
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I’m not saying it’s all men, and I’m sure not all women who have a height preference too. This post is for those that do …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 05:18 PM
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Ya, it is a CMV. But this post was about something different - change my view that a woman having a height preference is more accepted than a man having a n-count preference, even though the height preference is more shallow and cannot be justified like n-count can. Also, I can have personal viewpoints on things but still accept that the majority’s viewpoint may be different right? My post is more about the majority’s viewpoint
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 05:15 PM
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What do u mean “without also having preferences”?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 04:55 PM
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Look at my last para, I 100% accept it - there’s nothing we can do about it. We can’t convince women to suddenly fall in love with short guys lol. But if we’re comparing the 2 preferences either party gets heat for, I’d say at least the n-count one makes sense (and thus, shouldn’t get as much heat as it does). Whereas a women saying they wouldn’t date anyone below 6’ for example is way more accepted (but is more shallower than the n-count preference). Just pointing it out
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 04:45 PM
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Na I’ve seen that in the RP space too and also think it’s kinda delusional lol. But, when they mention that I think they say that for 2 different types of women. Theyd prefer if their wife has a low n count, but any other girl would be ideal to fuck on the first night. Kinda makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 04:39 PM
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Read my last para in the post, im fine with accepting that
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 04:24 PM
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As long as we can agree that a height preference is shallow, then yes it is. Keep in mind the definition I put for shallow in my post: “Not benefitting the relationship”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 04:20 PM
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Ya but look at my second para, I’d say a height preference is more shallow than a n-count preference (yet is more accepted generally)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 04:07 PM
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If you were to ask a women about her preferences, she would include a height one and it would be way less attacked then if you were to ask a man and he were to mention n-count. Both are “advertising it” right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 03:21 PM
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Na I’m fine with shallow preferences (see my last paragraph). But what I was getting at is dont you think if a women were to voice their height preference out loud vs if a man were to voice your n-count preference out loud , there would be way less backlash towards the height one (the former is more acceptable in society)?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 03:17 PM
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Id think most short guys would be rejected right off the bat from a lot of women before getting to showcase their “other things”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 03:15 PM
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Honestly I don’t think a woman having financial preferences is shallow (as long as it’s reasonable). However what I was trying to get at is that dont you think if a women were to voice their height preference out loud vs if a man were to voice their n-count preference out loud , there would be way less backlash towards the women (the former is more acceptable in society)?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 03:14 PM
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I agree with that. But dont you think if a women were to voice their height preference out loud vs if u were to voice your n-count preference out loud , there would be way less backlash for it (the former is more acceptable in society)?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 03:07 PM
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Sarcasm right ?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 12:46 AM
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Okay . I think we may be thinking of the word pairbonding differently. The divorce and breakup stats with increased bodies makes perfect sense to me (I agree with it). But when I said pairbonding, I was moreso referring to the claim that because sex is more emotional for women, that women become attached emotionally to their first (or one of their first) partner, and so, can’t “attach” and be invested in a long term relationship with future partners. It’s this that I’ve read mixed things about a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 10:45 PM
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Bruh they rlly removed it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 10:20 PM
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Don’t know why social media didn’t run through my mind when writing this lol, I def agree with that point
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 10:19 PM
2

Na I personally wouldn’t accept it (I’m a guy btw), but I was just interested in learning if its simply an innate preference for me since I’m a guy, or if there’s actual reasons behind why it makes sense (in today’s society)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 10:16 PM
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Ya ive seen those stats and it all makes a lot of sense to me logically too (I agree with it). With pairbonding I was moreso referring to the claim that because sex is more emotional for women, that they become attached emotionally to their first (or one of their first) partner, and so, can’t “attach” and be invested in a long term relationship with future partners. It’s this that I’ve read mixed things about and am not sure if that part of pairbonding is actually tru or not
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 10:12 PM
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Ya that all also makes perfect sense to me logically too (I agree with it). With pairbonding I was moreso referring to the claim that because sex is more emotional for women, that they become attached emotionally to their first (or one of their first) partner, and so, can’t “attach” and be invested in a long term relationship with future partners. It’s this that I’ve read mixed things about and am not sure if that part of pairbonding is actually tru or not
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 10:10 PM
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Okay then based on the second paragraph, ya we on the same page
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 09:40 PM
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Here’s the thing, I agree with u about men looking down on a women’s body count (I’m a guy too and I do). But also, I feel like while we can distinguish between a whore and a virgin, it’s much harder to differentiate between the lower n count women. Don’t u think there’s literally no way for us men to differentiate between the slightly promiscuous vs virgin women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 09:35 PM
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This is what I was hoping for, thanks for providing the science lol. I anticipated this may be the case for women but would u know if it also affects men? if so, would u then advocate for a “sex-negative” society (I personally would) instead of the sex-positive one we live in now? Cuz if women shouldn’t be promiscuous, where are the women that the men should be promiscuous with come from, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 09:20 PM
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To your first point, I honestly do hold that belief too that it would fuck up society. But especially in the west, I can’t think of why an individual should care about what’s better for society over themselves (especially since I’ve now read that the pair bonding stuff is kinda wrong). To the second point, I honestly do agree with that too. However, I feel like a lot of ppl just always think that they’re the exception and that they can be the one to separate casual sex from relationship sex. I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 09:05 PM
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Wasn’t going for a scientific approach to refute it (I’ve only seen contradictory stuff online) , but if there is actual science behind the claim I’d def accept it since it makes senses in theory at least
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 08:58 PM
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I’m curious, is the pair bonding research legit? I went through a phase believing it, then read some stuff about it being pseudoscience. Do u know if it’s actually legit?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 06:01 PM
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No need to awww me lol, appreciate it tho. But ya I definitely agree with that second part u mentioned
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 06:55 AM
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Nope, we are comparing the outcomes of “behaving poorly” vs “behaving correctly” for men. If one outcome is more desirable than the other, how is it not positive reinforcement?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 06:37 AM
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Honestly do think you’re right, trust me I’m not hopeless and am hoping for the right person haha. But that still doesn’t take away from the fact that a lot of the world may act in this way
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 06:33 AM
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What do u mean lead around by their dicks? We’re talking about their behaviour here. I’m saying yes women should have blame because if they think they are “acting poorly”, why reward them for it? Seems counterintuitive
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 06:30 AM
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Yes lol cuz why should those men behaving poorly change if women are still giving them what they want
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 06:03 AM
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Wouldn’t it work this way if it was the OPPOSITE (I.e. guys HAVING standards)? If more guys decided not to deal with / cuff girls that display this “hoe behaviour”, u don’t think that is when girls actually wouldn’t sleep around?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 04:59 PM
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Honestly I can agree with that. Do what u want to do. However, you’ve gotta agree with me here that a lot of women leave the date disgusted if they are forced to pay and so, the men who have no other options are inadvertently forced to pay to avoid this
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 12:07 AM
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No but I am. I said above that with those 50:50 women, this post doesn’t apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 11:51 PM
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Na this is more of a problem when the dates aren’t 50:50. To counter what u said, how about those women stop viewing men as wallets and free dinners instead of developing a solid relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 11:35 PM
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I am all for starting the investigation, however do u not think the "believe all women" is a massive overcorrection to the past where police "didnt believe" the woman to even start an investigation (if that part of history is even true)?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 09:43 PM
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They don't want men to ask questions. And women that ask questions are “pick me’s” to them lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 09:34 PM
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Yup thats a pretty accurate summary. ​ having a high n having a high body count requires woman to have sex with those men and this would also directly conflate with this society's goal for successful marriage because it would impede on the women's ability to have a successful marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 06:47 PM
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In today's open sex society, more likelier than not the "attractive" men are not virgins (and the "less attractive" men are virgins). Does their mere promiscuity deter you from them, or are you moreso referring to the very promiscuous men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 06:43 PM
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Ofc societies can exist with multiple different ideologies. But what were talking about aren’t ideologies, they’re actions. And actions have reactions/consequences that can conflict with other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 06:36 PM
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No I don’t think at all that a higher body count is more attractive to a woman. I was saying that if a man has a higher body count in today’s society where casual sex occurs, it can be an indication to him that he is doing something right. It is for himself, not to go around flaunting it to women. Also, I don’t agree that very promiscuous societies and marriage can coexist well with each other. It is definitely at least one of the reasons that is playing into the higher likelihood of divorce rn …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 06:28 PM
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But it’s a problem for most women (hurts their feelings which can affect your relationship with her) and for society in general. More cheating = more non-wife pregnancies = more single mother children = more degeneracy in society
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 06:27 PM
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But the options don’t come from being promiscuous itself, they come from other factors. U secure your wife from those other factors. I was saying that abstaining from promiscuity will help u increase the likelihood of success for ur relationship because you’d be way more likelier to be satisfied with the sex from your wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 06:17 PM
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Damn a lot of demonization of the word “agreeableness”. Would describing it as “kind and selfless” be nicer to read? It’s kinda like the the word “submissive” where a better response is garnered from a word like “cooperative”. But honestly, I can see where y’all are coming from. Anyways OP, I think it just comes from a lot of men preferring women who are kind and selfless like I mentioned above. I think “agreeable” can be an overstated word cuz I don’t think men necessarily want a woman with abs…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 11:37 PM
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They go hand in hand. Successful relationships lead to families
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 07:16 PM
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I’d agree that pregnancy may affect a woman’s career, but what I was trying to get at is that it doesn’t affect the relationship. My post is under the premise that the majority of individuals’ end-goal is a quality relationship (I’m not considering the woman who find more joy in their careers than they do in a family)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 05:07 PM
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Firstly, I’d say there are far more women that have a career after college and stay in their job while being in a relationship then u are alluding to. Have u considered that women have their own choice and those that you’ve mentioned staying at home may choose to out of their own will? Instead of the majority being “brainwashed” to do what is expected ?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 04:56 PM
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Colleges are actually majority women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 04:45 PM
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I’d actually disagree and say that women aren’t encouraged to stay at home much anymore but rather highly encouraged to work and pursue a career. And imo this would apply to far more women that u think. Even after getting her own money, many career women would prefer their man be at the same level or higher (I.e. not “pursuing an art career”)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 04:37 PM
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I don’t think I’d be wrong in saying that in most serious LTR’s, a woman having a child won’t make a man want to suddenly leave, but rather, he’d be more motivated to continue that relationship and make it successful
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 04:30 PM
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No u may have misunderstood that part. By exception I meant that as the women, she was okay with being the long-term breadwinner while her partner pursued that art career.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 04:26 PM
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I agree that pregnancy may affect a woman’s career, but it won’t affect the relationship. My post is under the premise that the majority of individuals’ end-goal is a quality relationship (I’m not considering the woman who find more joy in there careers than they do in a family)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 04:23 PM
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I mentioned in the post that it becomes a “priorities game” for men. I agree with you that should live the life you want to but sacrifices must be made if u have other priorities. And I didn’t only mention acceptance from potentials, I still think it applies to the person you eventually get into a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 04:14 PM
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I think that sentiment is taught to everyone, not just women. However, I’d say the way things typically work, a man has a far greater likelihood of failure if he takes on the risk u mentioned. You may be the exception women in this case (would u agree with that?), but I don’t think it would be good advice for men to hope to meet that exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 04:11 PM
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It doesn’t matter that both partners are working or not. One partner’s job holds more significance to the other than the other partner’s job does to the former is what I’m trying to say. More significance means more pressure on that partner to have it be of higher quality. Is it that part u disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 04:08 PM
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I'd say it depends on how you'd like the rest of your relationship to be like. 50/50? Okay then split the bill. More traditional? Okay you pay. The ball's in your court my friend, and how receptive she is will help you decide if you wanna continue the relationship or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:39 AM
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Ahh nvm I understand what u meant now, u mean ur stance on my post is in the gray area. I can respect that. My apologies, I’ll delete the previous comment
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:57 PM
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Funny how I’ve clearly outlined the situation for u and you resort to calling it a “gray area”. U didn’t cal the situation u outlined earlier a “what if”? It’s cool tho
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:55 PM
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You’re casually forgetting that only women are allowed to decide who gets born or not - men have no say in it. Would u call a woman a psycho for not keeping a child (i.e. aborting it) and not “owning up” in the situation where the man wants to keep the child and “give it the best life possible”?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:51 PM
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What is hypothetical here? Even if we assume ur assertion about “most” is true for the sake of the argument, that leaves “some” unwanted pregnancies that are consensually from unprotected sex that exist. Unless ur changing ur stance to all unwanted pregnancies are r*pe
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:42 PM
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“In most cases” i disagree with most unwanted pregnancies happening like this , but if that is the situation, then I have no issue at all with the man having to take the responsibility/paying for everything no matter the woman’s decision on keeping the child or not. Now in situations that are not like this, would u agree with my stance then? Or still disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:16 PM
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You think having unprotected sex isnt a mutual decision? That would be otherwise be r*pe
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:10 PM
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We talk about the present. There was no contraception and abortion back then. The contraception back then was no sex before marriage. U do understand I am not advocating against “my body my choice” for woman deciding to keep a baby or not right? I am questioning whether once the baby (that the woman chose to keep) is birthed and OUTSIDE of the woman’s body, why does she still get to choose for the man whether he has to pay child support or not ?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:48 PM
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Na the woman has to choose between an abortion or giving birth. I think we both agree on "my body my choice" that the woman should make that decision. My thing is on what happens after the child is born (which the woman made that decision for it to be born), it isnt her body anymore so why does she still get to choose what the man does?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:16 PM
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Are we completely forgetting that it is not simply about accepting "the consequences of your own actions", but rather woman get to avoid consequences through abortions?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:14 PM
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So if a man doesn't want a child, don't partake in activities that are known to result in a child Why shouldnt woman do the same thing? Cuz they do have that choice AND the choice to keep the child or not afterwards if they regret it (which i agree they should have that choice) AND the choice to ask for child support from the man when it is not in the woman's body anymore after the woman made the decision herself to birth it and (which i dont agree with) vet the woman for the possibility she'll …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:10 PM
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I don’t see how have a choice to give birth or not PLUS having a choice to have an abortion or not is entering a “no choice zone”? Maybe I’m misunderstanding what u mean
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:01 PM
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Ya we agree on that but the last part was me asking, okay the woman decided to keep the child and give birth right, the baby isn’t in her body anymore, is it still the women’s choice on whether she wants child support from the father or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:59 PM
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So the situation is: the woman decided who was born (“my body my choice”), the man didn’t want the child in the first place, she then decides not to take care of the child and is now forcing the man to take care of the child and she pays child support? Na don’t see any logic in supporting that. But this is interesting, definitely lmk if im missing something
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:57 PM
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Okay I think we agree that we can’t tell woman what to do with their bodies. They have all the say in who gets born or not. But what about after the birth? Men still don’t have a choice, it’s still all on the woman
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:54 PM
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If you dont want to keep a child, you have the choice to avoid sex with men. But say you have sex with a man and you regret, you also have the choice to get an abortion. Lots of choices for the other side isnt there?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:50 PM
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So the freedom of choice when it comes to body rights has greater importance to the freedom of choice with other rights? Deciding to not pay for your mistake and making tax payers do The man is not making tax payers pay, it is the woman for deciding to keep a child - he has no say in that decision. If you care so much about the tax payers taking on the burden, why dont the woman pay for the child?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:38 PM
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Woman not only have that same choice when consenting to sex, but they ALSO have all the other choices afterwards (i.e. keeping the child or not, forcing the man to pay or not, etc.). Doesn't seem lopsided to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:32 PM
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are we completely forgetting that if woman consider the children as "parasites" that she has 100% authority to get an abortion?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:29 PM
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Basically if it’s not rape then it is a consenting choice you just made with your wallet. Now enjoy the fruits of your labor. How is it not a consenting choice the woman makes with her body then, but she can still choose to not be responsible for the kids by aborting it? Why doesn't she enjoy the fruits of her labour
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:27 PM
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Nope, i absolutely love babies haha. Just criticizing the way the whole "baby system" is right now for both parties involved
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:23 PM
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but the woman can choose to not be responsible for the kids by aborting it? she made a mistake so it is her fault
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:22 PM
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but the woman can choose to not be responsible for the kids by aborting it? it's not like she didnt know sex could lead to pregnancy lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:21 PM
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The child was born because one partner (the woman) decided for it to be born, not because the other partner (the man) had a say in it being born . If both agreed to it being born, then I’d agree with that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:12 PM
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But the question is why is she deciding to keep the baby (when the man doesn’t want to) if she cannot support it herself? Is it because she knows she has a safety net with the government forcing the father to pay up? I think things would be a lot different if she knew she had a decision to keep the child or not and the man had a decision to pay or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:05 PM
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If the mom wants to keep the kid but the dad doesn’t, why doesn’t she just pay for the kids? Is it because she knows she has a safety net with the government forcing the father to pay up? If women think the child will be a bastard kid running around starving, they have the choice to not have the kid. More planned births and happier parents would occur if the choices were not so heavily in favour of one side
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:02 PM
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I’d say men would be far happier with this alternative compared to years of child support. And ya ur right, it does seem fairer then
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 01:59 PM
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U consider taking advantage of youth and good looks by sleeping around, I consider taking advantage of youth and good looks by securing the best relationship. One is like blowing all your lottery money to poor self control, the other is like investing your lottery money to get even more returns.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 07:36 AM
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If someone had no say in whether the child was born or not , is it rlly their child then? The child’s rights should be taken care of by the woman who wanted it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 12:45 AM
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I agree with u on both of those statements
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 06:14 PM
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Na I acc believe TRP is pretty spot on about a lot of truths about women, but just don’t agree with this truth about men. And lol thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 06:11 PM
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I’m a guy LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 06:07 PM
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Read my last part, if we talking sugarbaby/sugardaddy relationships then we’re on the same page
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 05:49 PM
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Exactly, that’s what I was tryna get at
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 05:32 PM
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Read the edit I made in the post. And unless that 50 year old has some extreme levels of clout, I believe the last statement to be extremely incorrect (unless you’re referring to a sugarbaby relationship or where he pays to fuck)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 05:11 PM
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Guess what, I 100% agree that it takes time to get those things and that is why most 35 year olds are more desirable. However, for the few 26 year olds that are at the same level as those 35 year olds (I.e the playing field is level and the only difference is age), I’d say the 26 year old is more desirable. Women don’t go out looking for the young financially set guy cuz there’s so few of them - but if they find one, best believe he’s a catch.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 05:06 PM
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Don’t think so. I’ve been saying if all else is equal, younger is better Edit: OH I think you interpreted me saying “younger”, as in younger than the woman. I don’t agree with that, I was saying just younger in age (but still older than the woman)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 04:53 PM
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Hmm that is quite interesting. Was he very introverted and shy at 25 vs now at 32 he has greatly upped his social skills?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 04:51 PM
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But not just younger men, younger men who are financially set (which is already a very small %)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 04:13 PM
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Now that u mention the point about women’s pool dwindling as they get older, I think that further proves the irony in my post’s statement about older women asking for more in exchange for sex compared to their younger selves. I agree with u that older women’s pool of RELATIONSHIP candidates is still greater than their equal age male counterpart’s relationship candidates - but this would be ON AVERAGE. In actuality, I’d say the men that these women actually want at that age definitely have more r…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 08:32 AM
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Okay I definitely agree, do whatever it is that u feel is best for u at the present moment - as long as you are content with whatever risks come with it (including not feeling content in the future). That awareness is definitely what’s key, because (for the most part) what society has already deemed honourable or not is a good starting point for those who may lack awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 08:12 AM
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I agree with a lot of what u said. I think as long as those standards aren’t routed in delusion and they understand / are willing to accept what may come with pursuing said standards, all power to u!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 07:45 AM
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Choosing that route u mentioned of aiming to be a wife instead of hoeing it out, especially when younger, has shown the most success for women scientifically and in decreased divorce rates. It rightfully is the honourable option
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 07:38 AM
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I agree they’ve probably learned what they like but does that mean they should be commended for having higher standards compared to the past? Take a sports player for example. As they get older, although they have learned a lot about the sport through experience, their bodies can not keep up with this / make use of this knowledge because of age. Their value as a player diminishes. In the same way, as women get older, they shouldn’t be in the same position to be demanding exactly what they want d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 07:26 AM
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True. What would your advice be for the women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 07:08 AM
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But take a sports player for example. As they get older, although they have learned a lot about the sport through experience, their bodies can not keep up with this / make use of this knowledge because of age. Their value as a player diminishes. While I agree women learn what they want from their earlier flings, but as they get older, they shouldn’t be in the same position to be demanding exactly what they want, right? The question then arises, with a lower market value how can we applaud them f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:59 AM
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