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Discussiontonyghow/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 08:27 PM
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My bad. Thought you were Aimee
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:21 AM
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👍
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:06 AM
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Replying from your alt?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:54 AM
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It all comes back to media and the pornification of EVERYTHING. ... More fake sex is equalling less real sex. It’s a turn off. Are you including the women that create and sell fake sex for their own personal gain online? Or are they also victims of the media.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:48 AM
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> If he actually treats her well, then they both agreed it was temporary thing, so who cares? Why are you assuming there was any agreement. She may very well be under the delusion that she can lock him down long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:19 PM
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The shittiness is irrelevant. A 10/10 guy may treat a 2/10 woman wonderfully yet most likely temporary.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:48 PM
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> the ones that do have ALOT of value. Then you should change your post to say, “Women who only want sex have ALOT of value.” Agreed, water is wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:02 PM
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You’re rambling about bringing value rather than addressing my point that attempting to lock down someone who has clear leverage over you is delusional. Furthermore, dating someone with significant leverage over you is a recipe for insecurities and potential for cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:55 PM
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> The ugly women who usually allow guys to treat them like shit, those guys are typically attractive. Those guys actually have leverage. You stumbled upon a self-rebuttal for your title claim. That leverage men have is exactly the reason women have inflated egos. Ideally, people should be in relationships where no one has leverage over the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:29 PM
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> If she's able to get a 10/10 man's sexual attention, that means she's very valuable in the dating market. Valuable in the *sexual* dating marketplace, not in the marriage marketplace. You’re delusional if you think a 2/10 woman is going to get proposed by a 10/10 guy. In what upside down universe do you think that’s possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:20 PM
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> You're only talking about a very few dumb women with mental health issues. Is it still misandry if you think the numbers are low? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:13 PM
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Threat: Noun Merriam-Webster: “an expression of intention to inflict evil, injury, or damage.” Dictionary.com: “a declaration of the intention to inflict harm, pain, or misery.” Oxford Learner’s: “a statement in which you tell somebody that you will punish or harm them, especially if they do not do what you want.” What harm was coming to her exactly? Is not having a relationship with him a punishment? Women love to embellish words to suit them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:17 AM
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Yes, there are many hobbies in common but there are notable ones that are very gender (self?) segregated: Men: Building PCs Playing video games (men are called losers with this hobby) Boardgames, D&D Fishing (women complain a lot about these pictures on dating apps) Sports (watching or playing) Martial arts / MMA (I know you said you do that, but this is hugely male) Car repair Building / flying drones Powerlifting Chess Writing software (women are increasing but it is still far outweighed by me…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:22 AM
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Any reasonably curious person should have interests - or potential interests, things they are up for trying Requiring men (or people in general) to have a dozen interests is rather presumptuous. And I live this. I'm [A, B, C , X, Y, Z, ...] Your exhaustive list of profession + masteries is just a humblebrag. Most people have 1 maybe 2 true creative interests. Consuming pop culture (movies, music, sports) doesn't count. I work in an office with a good split between men and women for many years. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:13 AM
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I partially agree. Yes, men's attraction towards women is normal and expected. (water is wet). AND shallow. But it's ok. "Men are just dumb lizard-brained animals." Women's attraction towards men is seen as shallow because women themselves have pushed the agenda that they are NOT shallow. That they supposedly value men for their character above all else. But that's not true. Women want a man with good character AND a man who's tall and attractive. So the lie that women care more about personalit…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:46 AM
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Or even just stating to women "i prefer blond women" is weird just like women announcing to a group of men "i like men who are X height" Women are praised for stating a height preference. Other women respond posivitely, "Yas! He must be 6'2". I love wearing heels!" Men are ostracized for stating a preference for any physical trait on a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:23 AM
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This is totally a guy cosplaying.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:03 AM
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Huh? I’m agreeing with your “logic” that men should unfocus pussy. Thanks for the honesty (?) It’s just ironic that RP has been handing out that “logic” for many years, and you’re using it as a criticism or a gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:16 PM
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Women know all these reasons but refuse to spell it out because they'd be called shallow. They'd rather resort to "he's just not my type." (as seen in a few comments here)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:11 PM
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Yes, you should consider changing your tune to promote men to unfocus pussy, improve their career, their physical health, and their sense of style, then the pussy will come… you know, the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:09 PM
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There's a reason every guy I know who revolves their life around pussy are loser. 100% agree and very red-pilled of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:45 PM
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Bitching about men doesn't make the criticism against a woman or a group of women any less valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:43 PM
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You’re assuming that without these stimuli, women find normal men interesting. Yes, actually. Removing the excessive consumption of how the perfect man should behave would reduce the expectation and entitlement to such a man. It is the same as the social media globalization effect on dating. If the only access women had were to local men, they would select the best of the available normal men, and not even know to complain that they are boring. Similarly, if all local women were tall and voluptu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:11 PM
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Yes. That’s exactly my point. Men can’t identify with a post to lower their standards. Men’s physical standards: “don’t be fat.” Men’s non-physical standards: “be nice.” Why should men raise their standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:30 PM
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Right but women claim that men have really high standards for women physically. It sort of implies that men don't think of themselves that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:07 PM
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If someone asked me, "Have you considered whether monogamy might actually suit you better?" I wouldn't be offended. Sure. But that's just lifestyle choice. Men see who they are attracted to as not-a-choice. "Have you considered that you would be better suited being attracted to men romantically?" is akin to saying, "the people that you want to attract romantically may not be for you." That is telling someone that they are barking up the wrong tree. Especially if a man wants a female romantic par…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:01 PM
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Average women date average men: eventually. Their delusional phase where they think they can punch above their weightclass varies from woman to woman, and often decreases with age. Re: control: No, it is not the same as a physical trait. Women do eventually control their attraction for a top tier man. Many will realize that their desire for a family and kids eventually trumps a man's height, status, and money. Re: effort: Women want the man that puts in the most effort, and will easily monkeybra…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:23 PM
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It's interesting that this post is tagged as "Debate" but nearly all of the top-level replies are from woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:34 PM
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As the OP implies, women keep lowering their "best partner possible" bar, that eventually your statement should be, "Most women would rather be alone." When, in fact, most women end up settling for a practical equal. e.g. Walk around Walmart enough and you can see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:26 PM
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Does the word "would" mean the same thing as "are"? You're absolutely right. Those auxiliary verbs matter. You didn't say men are homoromantic, but suggested they would be [happier] if they were homoromantic. That still can be interpreted as "sorry, straight guy, your romantic self-identity is likely making you unhappy. Try this other one." And that would be taken very negatively by anyone other than a cis-straight man. It's unloading intense emotional material without regard for timing, consent…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:06 PM
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If a man is clean, respectful, financially successful and still can’t get a date, then there’s something seriously wrong with him "It's always the man's fault" is getting really old. 🙄 You might as well rewrite it as "He's a 10 but he's a zero." Women's accountability asymptotically approaches -∞
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:19 PM
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Wow, good for him!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:15 PM
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This is basically “men are robots” with extra steps Just because men have different ways of coping and addressing their issues, doesn't make them robots. Women don't want to soothe a "man-child", which he will quickly be labeled were he to dump the most minor (recurring) issue onto his partner. Men can report such an issue but he needs to quickly resolve it, otherwise it becomes "emotional labor" for the woman. Men are more valuable to women as support rocks, safety nets, and empathetic sounding…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:54 PM
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The fact that you think "men seek admiration and emotional fulfillment from other men" automatically means "men want to fuck men" I never said anything about wanting to fuck men. Being "gay" can be considered romantic. But no, seeking the help of other men is not "emotional fulfillment". That's what women do. Men don't need to cry on another man's shoulders and be patted on the back. Men want logical often black-and-white solutions to their problems without resorting to feelings. If a man is ang…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:04 PM
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Completely the opposite. Men falling back on the unemotional objective unbiased problem-solving skills of other men, is the furthest from romance. Your take almost sounds like jealousy. "Why aren't men wanting to open up to me!?! They must be gay!" Maybe it's because men unloading emotional issues onto women for them to solve is a huge turn off. Women want to be heard, supported, and enjoy mild commiseration, without having to solve any of the man's problems. Women don't want to be burdened with…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:50 PM
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Calling bro-code or understanding amongst men homoromantic is lazy and homophobic. But you’re kind of kind of telling on yourself. You’re inadvertently implying that women are not easy to get along with, but are still necessary for sexual needs. Would you call out women who hate men homoromantic towards other women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:28 PM
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That’s right. * Height and face: out of the man’s control. Difficult to change without plastic surgery. * Confidence and charm: within the man’s control. Also difficult to change if the man has spent the first ~35 years being an introvert. Basically, nothing is easy. To me, that is the definition of masculinity: doing the things that are difficult to do, for yourself and others. Pointing it out is not necessarily “complaining”, it just is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:31 PM
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> 2. I dont like them Why? Why not put in egalitarian (financial) effort if you *like* someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:38 PM
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> There's women who also dont have a house and stay with family/roommates, but it's so obvious you dont want those women. Maybe in their 20s. I’m more referring to older established women. > Notice you had to do a false dichotomy to not admit the woman you're talking about is a UMC Stacy. A lot of women want MC and UMC men regardless of their own status.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:02 PM
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These are the (non-physical) standards women want as a bare minimum. Even for non-Stacys. What I listed is not sugar-baby money. They may be willing to waive those basic standards if the guy is really attractive or comes pre-vetted by friends, family, or other women. Are you saying women are ok with the unkempt McDonald’s fries guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:36 PM
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I love Jimmy for his raunchy humor but what advice did he actually give? * “Be a gentleman and be a mensch.” * “Be of service to others.” * "Stop asking what you want. Start asking what you have to offer." Sounds simple, right? That takes a lot of hard selfless work. And why are these gendered? Do we tell women to be of service to others and lead with what they have to offer? No. The rest was random factoids as to what’s going on in the world of boys— video games and porn (yawn). Anyway… The iss…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:50 PM
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A man needs a career, a degree or high commission stable job without getting fired or laid off for contiguous years, a house, not living with parents or roommates, a decent car, extra cash to provide travel experiences, cultural enrichment of some kind, a nice $100+/month gym to get fit but not too shredded, and much more… If there are kids involved, there are even more requirements. Not sure what you’re hinting at. That an average man that works fries at McDonald’s, wears Walmart clearance clot…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:29 PM
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Based BP take.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:20 PM
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While humans generally take the path of least resistance, men listen to the manosphere/RP for *some* path to results. And it usually involves maximum effort. Phrases like “get your money up”, “get your body right”, “groom and dress your best” without worrying about women, then the women will come. The manosphere also pushes to not even bother in your 20s to early 30s until you have some standing. It takes ~20 years of maximum effort to be of some use to society and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:17 PM
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This is exactly what women do. They hookup with the tallest, most attractive man they can find, then start complaining that he’s not emotionally intelligent enough or doesn’t want to grow in ambition, and expect him to transform into a leader. There’s a reason a “fixer upper” is used more from women-to-men than the other way around. The, “I can fix him” is a more common trope than, “I can save her.” And “I can save her” doesn’t involve changing or expecting a woman to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:55 AM
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It is very much a gendered phenomenon. It is entirely different with the genders reversed. The abundance is the key. Even if a woman can’t tell a bad apple from the bunch, she still has many apples to try. A woman can continue biting apples until she either finds a good one, gives up and settles for an average (matching) apple, or gives up and stops taking bites (stays single voluntarily). She is always able to take bites out of apples any time she wants. Men do not have that luxury. OP is parti…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:48 AM
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> Sexual attraction being entirely connected to looks is blue pill. What? No. The blue pill is the mindless acceptance of mainstream progressive ideas usually in regard to feminism. White-knights, male feminists, etc. nothing to do with sexual attraction. More so that everyone is an individual and they get choice without shame. > Men at mass never attempted to improve their personality lol, especially not to attract women. Women tell men here all the time to improve their personality, and be con…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:03 PM
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> Personality has nothing to do with sexual attraction Disagree, but never thought a woman would promote the black pill as a fact of life. Men should give up improving personality to attract women. If you’re short or ugly, just give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:27 PM
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> men despise "easy" women Maybe men in their 20s, but a man in his mid 40s doesn’t want a headache or having to solve Hellraiser’s cube to secure a fulfilling relationship with great sex and companionship. Men after a certain age definitely want someone “easier.” Maybe you’re referring to women who are “loose” with sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:17 PM
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Guess you’re not part of the “personality and actions matters more” sub-hive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:03 PM
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Equalizing men and women presumes abolishing male simping and female hypergamy. Two impossible feats. It’ll never happen in the realm of relationships. > When you equalize men and women. When there is no obvious status difference. A lot of men seem unappealing. Women would also seem unappealing. > Because equalizing men and women has been extremely beneficial to our economies. Women are highly productive in the modern world… Beneficial to the GDP and tax revenue, but detrimental to the dating ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:55 PM
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Great post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:17 PM
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IMO, RP is about the roles and duties. BP is about individual choice. Both are good things. We have to find a balance. Perhaps something where roles and duties shift during a relationship. But no one gets upset when it’s their turn. Regardless, choice is what makes BP seem incoherent, because individuals are all over the place. They are consistently inconsistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:31 PM
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Physical Attraction. The comfort and care I provide. My talents and accomplishments. I want to be wanted for #1 and needed for #2.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:20 PM
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I was going to ask the same question.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:16 PM
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Did you ask those men why? My guess is the lack of femininity on the part of the cis men. Femininity is what a straight man wants the most. Curves, soft, delicate, demure, clean (not rugged), nurturing, etc. I would bet straight cis men don’t go for rough butch lesbians, even if there’s a vagina present. There are some super hot trans women out there. They are a rare commodity. I could certainly see thousands of swipes and messages piling up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:35 PM
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There is no “solely”. Especially for bi people. They could be pursuing both. The gay online scene is also very different. Horny gay men are much more aggressive. The trans women I know are more meek/insecure. And… feminine. Bonus for a mostly straight cis man. We’re all on a spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:09 PM
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Yes, there are a lot of bi-curious men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:38 PM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:34 PM
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Women are definitely playing the numbers game. They will pass on a good guy, because he doesn’t have all the qualities. So she keeps looking (numbers). You like to post TikToks and YT Shorts. There are thousands of examples of women letting go of a nice guy because they want it all. That is numbers in practice. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8psqwaR/
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:24 PM
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So women should have kinky sex with men on the first date. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:15 PM
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What worked? If you mean making him wait. You’ll never know he if would have also stayed if you had sex on the first date. I’m sure he would answer “yes, of course” if you asked today.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:12 PM
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Not in the slightest. The numbers game is exactly to try to get a person that has all the qualities at once that you want. Otherwise, we would all just accept the first person that shows interest. Men would marry the fattest, most appreciative woman they can find. And women would marry the shortest sweetest guy that made $12/hr.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:10 PM
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But most people learn from their mistakes and do better. Guys here dont seem to want to. Except “do better” to you is just acquiescing to what women want. You’re basically regurgitating “happy wife - happy life” in a dating context. “Just do what women want, bro. And you’ll get a woman.” Um, no. Do you want all women to have sex with men on the first date, just because that’s what men want? They would surely get out of the numbers game if they did, right? 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:02 PM
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So it’s not really a numbers game for men if they’re not willing to be what the majority of women want. The whole point of the numbers game is to get what you want, not what you think the other person wants. Hence why this sub exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:54 PM
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No. Because most average men will end up in a relationship (jackpot) within their lifetime if they keep increasing their numbers and adjusting their strategy and standards. While with the Powerball lottery, you’ll never win in 100 lifetimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:23 PM
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Agreed. Men are addicted to sex (ideally within a long-term relationship, to continue getting more of it)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:02 PM
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What? A number being greater than zero is not a bad number. A man will eventually get a relationship, the lower he moves his bar, and the higher numbers he attempts. Proof: I just left Walmart because I needed cat food, and I saw all sorts of bottom of the barrel men with bottom of the barrel women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:59 PM
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women are willing to make their dating prospects close to zero… Those are terrible numbers. Correct, but they are non-zero numbers. So we keep trying. So with them wanting a tall successful man, that's 7% to 15% she's looking for. And if we're believing OkCupid that 20% of men are considered attractive, then 1.4% to 2.8% of men are left. And that's not even including personality or if she has something to offer that would appeal to these 1.4% to 2.8% of men. RP based! I think women are particula…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:50 PM
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The lesson women don’t seem to learn is that sleeping with a man early or later will not alter the chances of him leaving.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:24 PM
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So I’m looking for understanding if dating is truly a numbers game for most men or if this is just something some men believe. Yes. It is a numbers game. For both genders. You want what you want but there’s the reality of supply and demand. Most men want a woman who like sex with them specifically. Bonus if a great relationship shakes out of it. But those women are rare, so they keep trying (numbers). Most women want a tall, ambitious, emotional supportive man, that is also attractive. Bonus if …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:13 PM
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They just don’t act desperate in person. I avoid men IRL but I still have to see them when I’m out; they seem desperate and give me the heebie-jeebies. How does someone not act desperate but seem desperate? Examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:51 PM
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Committing to a woman the man likes is also the same amount of (a lot of) work. There’s no guarantee that the woman puts in the same amount of effort back. OC is mostly right. It’s still a net loss. Just slightly less of a loss if the man likes the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:46 PM
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Would you want to be treated lesser in a future relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:05 PM
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Women aren't getting into relationships with people they aren't attracted to or find desirable. r/deadbedroom begs to differ. Unless you believe women remain highly attracted to their husbands and simultaneously withhold sex as a weapon.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:01 PM
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It’s good to not birth kill children you can’t or won’t care for ??
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:57 PM
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Low effort post. Do some research. Most physically-based kinks/fetishes involve discomfort, but most women that engage in such discomfort are asking and consenting to it. Because they enjoy it. I dated a woman who never wanted to be spanked. And I dated another woman who needed to be spanked very hard (bruises) to unwind from a stressful week at work. She couldn’t live without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:49 PM
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A man wants a woman that is shallow (reckless and quick to sex, enthusiastically and ravenously attracted, objectifying) to him, but unshallow (deep, conservative, patient, scrutinizing, standoffish) with other men. Just like a woman wants a man who is domineering, aggressive, imposing, and menacing to others, but comforting, emotionally patient, empathetic, and caring towards her.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:19 PM
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Based.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:26 PM
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It is definitely a skill issue. If a woman is gaslit, manipulated, controlled, emotionally “abused”, for any period, she should leave no matter how good he was to her at the beginning. Add-in some physical abuse, and she should leave immediately. No excuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:25 AM
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It just shows that a woman wanted to have sex with you. And drink vodka from a water bottle. So he was red flag and put a woman in an unknown precarious creepy situation, but you absolve her from noticing because she wanted sex and vodka?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:12 AM
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OC is so bad faith. It’s futile arguing with her. Her women-can-do-no-wrong attitude is boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:07 AM
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The seduction and PUA community based in red pill ideology, specifically teaches makimg your woman uncertain about how you feel about her and pretending like you have an abundance of options so she's always on her toes and constantly trying to make the man interested in her. I agree that is an awful way to go about things. But “based in red pill ideology” is a bit of a stretch. PUA can be RP, but RP is not PUA. RP is a descriptive, observational reality. PUA is action based tactics. Alas, this c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:09 PM
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Right. I just don’t believe “most women” are necessarily looking for “growth” or starting some sort of “journey” like OP is claiming. It seems to be that women are increasingly playing the field and having a good time not needing/wanting commitment, just like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:58 PM
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No, both people should feel secure in their partner. If i felt a little fear constantly that my partner was going to leave id never truly be able to trust them or love them fully. The subtlety that I’m trying to distinguish is not that your partner makes you feel insecure. It’s that we all have a natural tendency to feel fearful of losing a good thing. There are a lot of relationships that assume the other person is there and would never leave, only to be blindsided when someone wasn’t really co…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:45 PM
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You know my ex played those games with me. Always made me worried that he'd dump me for a "better girl." That’s bad. I wasn’t talking about intentional fear-mongering. I’m referring to knowing you have a good thing and have low-level fear to lose something if you don’t put in effort. I divorced him. Good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:34 PM
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I didn’t say anyone should fear. Or be made to be fearful. But we are humans, we fear things all the time. We fear losing our mind, our health, our job, our elderly relatives, and yes our relationships. IMO, having a little fear is good. It makes us work harder and put in more effort into keeping the good things/people in our lives. Otherwise you risk complacency and taking things for granted. I don’t think anyone can feel fully confident and safe with anything in life. We’re not kids anymore. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:42 AM
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Are you almost claiming AWALT ? 🤔 I disagree. Anecdotally, I have a buddy who is recently single. He’s very successful in his mid 40s divorced with 2 kids. He’s been dating on the apps and has gone on a date with different women at least once a week for several months. The women he’s finding are established professionals also divorced with kids, but he says they are happy getting wined and dined, have sex on the first or second date, then they ghost or let him know it’s not a match. He says ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:32 AM
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An RP man shouldn’t have to explicitly instill any fear. He became who he is by working towards his goals without focusing on women. A woman that has such a man will fear losing him implicitly because he is a rare find. The core RP advice is for the man to build himself and the women will come. If a guy has to play games or run tactics to intentionally scare a woman, then he’s just a player.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:13 AM
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The happiest relationships come from two people working together as a team throughout their journey, respecting the boundaries and wishes of the other, and willing to grow and learn with them. Some women may be seeking what you describe, but I believe others are happy when they have a man that leads, is ambitious and successful, calls her out on her BS, and who she can’t easily replace. A man who is already fully “grown” and doesn’t need to evolve or be involved in any other “journey” but his ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:52 AM
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I would consider these guys normal, “average” men as in, the kind of men that I am surrounded by in my day-to-day life. Idk what you mean here by top tier vs. average men. You can answer your own question by the implication of your statement, that these men are average, normal, [meh]. Ask your friends and family why they wouldn’t swipe on those men. Their answers would be interesting, assuming the men they actually go for and “worked” fall within the 6% swipe stat.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:55 AM
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If something gets 10 million views it's not 10 million people watching. This is not quite correct. TikTok, IG, and other major platforms have sophisticated ways to filter repeated views from the same user or IP address. Someone would have to go to greater lengths to artificially inflate views on a video. Like manually rewatching a video for X amount of time repeatedly. That’s why you see Chinese engagement farms with 100 android phones on a wall. If you’re claiming all of the misandry/misogyny v…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:11 PM
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Describing reality without proposing changes is rather annoying. Watch any Scott Galloway video where he rattles off percentages of how supposedly things ARE without offering solutions. Then people create reaction videos claiming he wants women to bow down to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:55 PM
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even though things like blush and pink lips are natural to human skin tone already. Agreed but they are natural to young women, which is more evolutionary desirable. The first sign that someone is younger is their rosy cheeks. For both (light skinned) men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:45 PM
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Try again without using the words “should” or “ought”.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:40 PM
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Women don’t want men who are terrified of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:32 PM
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The latter never happens, while the former does.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:51 AM
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A friend zoned simp with money?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:22 AM
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Ha. “Sorry [current bf], I did big penis positions with my ex, I can only do small penis positions with you.”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:58 AM
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Nope. That’s what women say. I’ve dated a 5’7” woman who was 135lbs and a 5’1” woman who was 210lbs and many in between. I’m good as long as they’re pleasant and into me. And not contradicting me at every interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:06 AM
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I admit I have a type. A woman who is not a contrarian and doesn’t hate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:37 AM
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Yes, we know all women are Goldilocks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:51 PM
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Translation: “Why aren’t the hot men that sleep with me also perfect dads?”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:42 PM
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When men say “choose better” it doesn’t mean for women to raise their standards even higher than they already were. It means to reevaluate their standards to match reality. Perhaps let go of the bad boy and embrace the introvert. But it doesn’t matter. Supply and demand is the only thing that matters. Men would behave the same way if women were horny for all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:29 PM
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Yes, but what type of men are being chosen? Likely the best of the bunch. That 25% of men would be the most attractive, ambitious, and/or tall. Btw, I don’t blame them. Men would likely do the same given the abundance of choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:13 PM
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So you admit that women only want to date the top men regardless of how many men are available in total. Even if there were 20 million men and 200k women on the apps, they’d only date the top 200k men (1%).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:09 PM
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> Dating is important can heavily impact your life so be picky. That’s actually the best argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:58 AM
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It’s amazing how hypergamy cannot be more clear. The top 20% of men are valid candidates. All other men are homeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:48 AM
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Again with the bleak. > not letting people control your mental state This sounds like it comes from a place of trauma. Causing women to throw the baby out with the bath water. > not being willing to live a miserable life No one said you have to live miserably. But choosing to create a home and family via intimacy and devotion in itself can be very fulfilling, the opposite of misery. Women used to embody those traits. Now it seems it has flipped to (undesirable) men wanting to be loved by someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:39 AM
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Wanting intimacy and a family over matching petty hobbies and music tastes is not throwing anything away. Sounds like priorities are backwards for a lot of women. Or technological privileges make them so comfortable that being selfish and hyper individualistic is more gratifying than being devoted to another human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:16 AM
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> Why would you willingly lower your standards and quality of life just for access to sex and kids? What a bleak way to view humanity. Intimacy and procreation are our prime evolutionary directives. Are you ace? > Staying single is far superior to settling so it’s easy to be picky when you’re enjoying your freedom. Says the gender that can easily access sex and kids and abortions at the drop of a hat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:07 AM
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That’s actually a pretty good analogy. You’d think after X years of dating lemons, women would eventually become mechanics and make sure to kick the tires, check under the hood, and rev the engine to listen for misfiring cylinders. And not just drive off the lot because it smells good and has a nice paint job. If the car breaks down a few months later, it could still be that you chose badly. Especially after going back to the same used hot rods dealership. It may be time to try a different make …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:59 AM
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Louis Theroux, is that you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:04 AM
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If a man wore 3” elevator shoes on a date to push him over 6 feet, then took them off when they got to her house, women would surely call it lying and manipulating. Just like makeup 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:01 AM
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What? No one is shaming women for dating ugly dudes. Maybe other women in your life are shaming you? On the contrary, women are getting called out for getting into relationships and situationships with attractive men, and then complaining all men are bad because they were treated poorly. > I dated men I wasn't attracted to… Both relationships were disastrous. Maybe they were disastrous because you weren’t attracted to them and didn’t put in any effort? Why is that men’s fault? > The last one was…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:37 AM
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Agreed. And within a business transaction, the person being asked has to give a plausible (non-personal) reason for the rejection, “sorry I don’t do mentorships”, “my schedule is too full”, or “I charge $500 per hour”— “ah ok, that’s too much.” And not the implication that, “you’re old, ugly, and overweight.”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 04:19 AM
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Why is it ballsy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 04:09 AM
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Then your standards don’t match reality, no matter how reasonable they may seem. You can claim that your standards match your attractiveness and that the man you want simply does not exist, but we all have to work with what the widget factory pumps out. Unless you’re willing to go on a crusade around the world to find him, or rent out billboards to advertise yourself and your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 01:17 PM
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because being able to afford means that if i can then i can have that man, and i can't. Why “can’t” you afford?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 01:07 PM
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Ah. I partially see your point. What do you mean you “can’t” [afford] ? Are you saying you’re attractive but can’t find what you want? I left out the part where many people eventually settle because their desire to have a partner outweighs their shallow or unrealistic standards. It’s fine if you refuse to settle, but again, that does not prove you’re not shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 01:01 PM
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You can have whatever standards you want, but they won’t help you unless they realistically match your attractiveness. At least to get your foot in the door. Just because you have agency to choose to remain single until your “bare minimum” is met, doesn’t mean you’re not shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 12:50 PM
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Everyone is as shallow or deep as their attractiveness allows. Hotter men and women are shallower. Uglier men and women can’t afford to be shallow so they train their “emotionally deep” muscles. Or they try to looks max. There is no underestimating going on. Everyone wants to advertise themselves as not shallow. Especially women. That said, yes, men primarily want sex followed by respect and admiration (for who they are), and women want attention followed by appreciation for their body and mind …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 12:23 AM
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how they are supposed to know that they are good dads or not. By vetting for longer than a year, by discussing at length if/when/why/how they want to raise kids, by watching them interact with other children, by selecting men who have solid families with nephews and nieces, by watching how they interact with pets, teenagers, and the elderly, by not ignoring when they get cranky when doing mundane, annoying, or repetitive tasks, by choosing men who are respectful to their own parents, by choosing…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:12 AM
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Women are judged harshly. … by other women. And yes, it doesn’t matter to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 10:59 AM
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“If I’m feeling/doing X, then approach. But if I’m feeling/doing Y, then don’t approach.” So you proved OP’s point without enough detail as to what X and Y are, or what “reading the room” means in most situations for most women. The real advice for men is “try [once] and get used to being ignored or rejected.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 08:37 PM
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Not including gay and bi guys, men instinctively signal competition against other men. That’s what makes them feel accomplished. But that’s also what (some/many) women want deep down. Women want a man that outshines other men in whatever department the woman cares about. E.g. women want a man that is taller/more successful than them, but they primarily want a man that is taller/more successful than most other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 06:59 PM
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The cleaning lady stealing your watch is an interesting analogy. It’s exactly what I mean that women jump to the conclusion that the man was a thief of her precious body. But it’s possible that she was overly hopeful and misunderstood his intentions (dropped the watch behind the bed).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 10:22 PM
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The implication is that she made a mistake for trusting a con man. That she was deceived. True accountability would be that she acknowledges that they may have just been sexually incompatible. Just like a man has to swallow his pride when he’s dumped for being boring or unambitious, after a woman goes on 3 to 4 dates with him, that he has to pay for. I don’t agree with men crying that they were “used as a wallet.” We do that to ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 10:12 PM
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Don’t all depends on the circumstances. Agreed. If instead he does what I said and goes the “‘I’m not really looking for a relationship right now so let’s keep it casual”, that’s different. He still wants to have sex her and only faked the commitment to get there. How is that any fakery, trickery, or deceit on the guy's part? He clearly stated that he wanted to keep it casual. If a guy starts with, "Yes, I want commitment", has sex with a woman, then flips it with, "Sorry, I want causal", that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:50 PM
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She made a mistake and mistook his interest in sex for interest in her. Yes, but that could be her mistake, her misreading of the situation, or her assumption that it would lead to commitment. Hence accountability vs. victim. when a man only wants to use her body. That's just one possibility. There are other reasons for ending a relationship, before sex, after first sex, after 2nd sex, after 10th sex, after 1 month, etc... Anyone can end a relationship at any point for any reason (women say this…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:43 PM
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Then if the guy immediately bails and says he’s not looking for a relationship after they have sex, they feel used. So men can never dump a woman because of bad or incompatible sex? Simply to avoid the woman feeling used? What if a man has sex with a woman 5-10 times then dumps her due to bad sex. Is that ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:30 PM
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It’s a common sentiment here that an n count over 0 makes a woman undateable. This is not really a gotcha (22). Women don't have to reveal their n-count to anyone. Clearly sex with a man is a much more degrading and devaluing experience If a woman feels degraded and devalued when having sex with men, then maybe she shouldn't be having sex with men. You make it sound like you're forced to eat maggots naked in a swamp because that's the only way to secure a relationship. will feel betrayed at bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:25 PM
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Like say I want to have sex with a woman if she doesn’t have STDs. If she lies to me and actually has herpes, HIV, etc. I’m going to be angry because my desire for sex was conditional. Your analogy assumes that the guy clearly asks, "Do you have an STD?" Women never clearly state, "I will only have sex with you if you promise me a relationship." They sheepishly hope for a relationship or assume that because the guy clicked the "Long term relationship" box on the dating app, that it 100% guarante…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:16 PM
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she mistook That phrase creates a label of victimhood or accountability. Women need to choose one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:09 PM
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Because they desire to be used for their bodies. That's the real truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:07 PM
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how likely is it that this person actually holds these opinions versus how likely is it that they're a troll IMO, the likelihood is high that it is the former. I've read that not as many women engage in online trollish manner as compared to men. [1] [2] Come to think of it, perhaps Lillth can post about how troll = narcissist = man, to suss out her true intentions. This thread has one flared woman replying once out of 90 comments. Re: this. Perhaps other good-faith women can't/won't come to her …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 05:11 PM
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Changes from what to what?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 04:49 PM
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Cool band name.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 04:40 PM
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I think it’s fine to have 1 or 2 Lillths. I love this forum. Unlike FDS-type subs, I hope we don’t silence lonely angry voices that will eventually learn that their lashing out won’t improve their circumstances. She wants love just like all the other incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 04:24 PM
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☝️Most of her posts are cope or projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 03:25 PM
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That’s fine, then advertise the overtime rate, and display how many hours each person works clearly for all to see. Bob Smith - $45,539 + $15,000 for 70 hour weeks average. Jane Williams - $45,539 + $5,000 for 50 hour weeks average. Accurate measurement and transparency is the key.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:26 PM
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Women are "dating down" more than they ever have in any other time in history. Stats to backup that claim? And by how much? Dating a man that makes 2% less than the woman is not the same as a woman dating someone that makes a fourth of her salary, or her providing 90% of the finances into the household, like men used to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:31 PM
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Said he didn't experience that with men. Otherwise he would also have shitty experiences with men. The shitty-ness doesn't have to be identical for it to be equally shitty for both genders. He didn't say men were perfect and always provided smooth relationships. For example, men can be controlling, emotionally immature, prone to anger, etc. While women can be overly emotional and entitled to have their feelings resolved immediately regardless of what the man is going through, etc... Trends (as O…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:44 PM
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The gender pay gap is solvable. We have laws for equal pay already. All that needs to happen is simply plastering everyone's salary at the front door of each workplace. You walk up to Bob at his cubicle, and it clearly says: Bob Smith - Senior Copywriter - $45,539/yr Right beside Jane's cubicle: Jane Williams - Senior Copywriter - $45,539/yr Removal of negotiation and salary secrecy would fix all that nonsense. Merit-based pay should be reflected in a title change, and it's your own fault if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:48 PM
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Sure, that is most people's assessment here. "You're the common denominator." Another possibility is that OP chooses seemingly normal women who don't overstep boundaries early on, then later they reveal their overbearing nature. Just like women claim "most" men charm them, then become verbally abusive, controlling, insecure, only want sex, etc.. It's so easy to victim blame, when in reality there are a lot of shitty people out there of both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:36 PM
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The bigger issue is that men tend to over estimate their own attractiveness and misjudge their league. Are you judging the man's league as a woman would judge him? Based on the economics of the sexual marketplace? If so, then I agree. Women are in higher demand (sexually and relationships). IMO, women rated: 1-3 go after 4-6 4-6 go after 6-8 7-8 go after 8-10 9-10 go after 10s (Notice how it's always up) But men tend to go up and down: 1-3 go after 1-4 4-6 go after 2-7 7-8 go after 5-9 9-10 go a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:25 PM
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When people are comparable in looks though, it's more likely that that friendship will turn into something more. That sounds reasonable. The issue is that "comparable in looks" is very subjective (eye of the beholder). And women tend to define what they find comparable to themselves as much higher than themselves. He can leave the friend zone with a comparably undesirable woman. I think your assessment may work at the lower end of desirability, especially for women. But even those women want at …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:09 PM
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So she had a good point that he missed. OC saying that she has/would never date an ex-con/drug dealer but that she understands how other women fall into their trap because drug dealers have charisma, is a good point? Strange to label that as a “shut down”.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 04:05 PM
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Precisely.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 04:02 PM
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Not sure what you mean. I wasn’t framing anything based on shallow or deep. My point is that an undesirable man (for whatever combination of reasons) will never leave the friend zone, but the reverse is not true. Also, not every friend group screens out people who are loud and obnoxious. Often times we have friends that have a wide range of personality traits, positives and negatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:17 PM
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Yes. Fat, ugly, loud, obnoxious, can disqualify a woman. But even so, average men with low prospects for relationships would still entertain it (settle). Women don’t settle as much anymore, to just have a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:08 PM
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people should know their friends well enough to know whether or not their feelings would be reciprocated. Women know this (luxury), men do not. There is a very high chance a man will reciprocate romantic escalation from a woman friend. Unless he is a tall super Chad or she is unfortunately ugly. There is a very low chance a woman will reciprocate romantic escalation from a man friend. Unless he is a tall super Chad or she is unfortunately ugly. Men shoot their shot after friendship and personali…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 02:52 PM
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Why do you see that as a shutdown? Women being successfully deceived by smooth talking awful men is actually a self-own towards women, who claim to be discerning and picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 02:15 PM
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For me, romance is linked to physical attraction and magnified by personality. The more attracted I am to the woman, the more romantic I behave (perhaps to my own detriment - obsessed/needy). Here's a rough formula: Rm = Aw + ( ( Pw + Rw ) * ( Am + C ) ) Rm = Amount of romantic gestures I make towards the woman. Aw = How much the woman is physically attracted to me (and made obvious). Pw = The woman's personality (peacefulness, respect, emotionally self regulated, etc...) Rw = Romance the woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:59 PM
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so I have to do the work to NOT attract them. If you have to do work to not attract certain types of people, it sort of implies that what you're looking for is more rare than it is common. There are a lot of obsessed, overbearing, jealous people out there. Finding a calm well balanced, humble, secure person is difficult. Which means OP has (half) a point. It's both OP's screening problem AND a problem with women who commonly cross boundaries to prioritize their own needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:42 PM
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Agreed. It's a clear sign of (learned) immaturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:29 PM
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Fair response. Most people operate in a mode where they attempt to prioritize their own needs above others.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:25 PM
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Just wanted to say that you gave Lilith perfectly reasonable and calm responses. And of course, she has no more retorts. Especially regarding the idea that the goal for a lot of (good) men is sex AND a relationship, in that order. And that they are both equally valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 02:47 AM
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You don’t get it. A pick-me that a man is attracted to for an actual committed relationship is well received and respected. And she is still very much a pick-me. In other words, pick-me behavior is not a turnoff. On the contrary, it boosts the fragile male ego quite nicely. In other other words, pick-me is a superpower that women can exercise. Assuming she picks men below her league or slightly above hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:47 PM
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They do. Pick-mes they’re attracted to, are still pick-mes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 02:31 AM
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Just accept it, we like looks and personality, money doesn't do hardly anything. Ha. That’s definitely the laughable part. Most women refuse to date a man that makes less than them. Money definitely matters. And no, it’s not just to filter out freeloaders. It’s an innate need to be with an equal or more ambitious man (that can show objective results). But I do agree that women also want looks and personality AND money. They want it all, because, why not? There are dozens of simps orbiting around…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 04:42 AM
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Men aren't more fit at 34 than 24. Peak male fitness is 18-25 If you search around. Several sports average men’s prime/peak at around late 20s: - Basketball 27-31 - MMA 28-33 - Body builders 29-40 - Soccer 25-27 - Gymnasts 27-32 - Cycling 25-30 An 18yo is still a boy. The low end for prime for most physical disciplines is 25. Unless maybe you’re talking about sperm health or sexual prime. Ambition is a character trait, money is an object. Agreed. A trait that provides an object. Something women …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 04:14 AM
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Do you just want to contradict to contradict? In my example, I put peak physical fitness at 30. If that’s what you care about, then the man’s prime would be between 26 and 34. If the woman cares more about money, then the prime would be a bit later. I was trying to provide a balanced view. (Some women lower the physical requirements for a man if he can make up for it with ambition.)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 03:44 AM
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That’s why it has to be both. Something like this: <image> Which would imply men are in their balanced prime at around 39-40. Some women may care more about money, which would put the prime at around 50, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 03:12 AM
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When the peak of their earning potential crosses the peak of their physical fitness.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:17 AM
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Most of that list (aside from right wing stuff) applies to unattractive or undesirable women as well. I truly believe OP is projecting hard, also lonely, and feels the same “curse to never find love” and is mad that she’s in the same boat as regular men that can’t find anything. While wishing she could be like other women who easily get attention and relationships. Just a hunch.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:13 AM
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As long as you agree that the crazy high attraction requirements women have are a sign of the times / socialization. Much the same as men finding rotund and Rubenesque women attractive a few hundred years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:29 PM
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This needs to be a t-shirt. Or a shirt that says: Women: be honest Also women: be kind
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 07:04 PM
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Partially agree. Let me amend a little: Hot guy: Gets foot in door regardless of initial interactions. Later interactions would have to be very bad for her to become turned off. Mid guy: Does not get foot in door unless he is pre-screened: other women around him, obvious signs of success or niche interests that match hers. Even with pre-screen, interactions will require a lot of effort to assure that she's not settling. Ugly guy: Nothing matters. I believe most men fall in the mid category. Henc…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 01:39 PM
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Agreed. Given hot guy, bad interactions will turn her off. The opposite is not true. Given mid guy, interactions won’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 01:15 PM
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there are A LOT of men who will still try to fuck her even if they wouldn’t necessarily want to date her after. They’ll consider her a “plate” or “jump off” or will “pump and dump” her. This is not loving anyone for who they are. Males are quicker to arousal. That doesn’t mean they love and commit and are mutually considerate human beings by default. This is a rather tired misandrist trope. Just because men are quicker to arousal and want sex asap, does not mean that they don't also want love. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 04:09 AM
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Notice how women aren't responding to this well-worded reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 03:44 AM
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These are likely it. Which indirectly agrees with some redpillers saying that a man should never move in with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 02:23 PM
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Everything that men call simping is what desirable men enjoy doing Yes (?) That's what men have been saying on here forever. An unattractive man showing interest is simping. An attractive (desirable) man showing interest is never simping.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 01:51 AM
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The range is much wider for men. I’d be happy with a 5’0” 180lb woman. Would you be happy with a 5’2” 110lb guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 10:39 AM
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Fat is very different than chubby/thicc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 10:34 AM
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They cope by either falling back to a FwB/FB or offering (better) sex to try and keep the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 09:21 PM
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Makes sense but you’d have to give examples of “mad” and verbally abusive, because if by abusive you mean that they stop being extra sweet and helpful. That’s normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 02:46 PM
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My guess is women would mostly answer ‘no issue as long as he takes the rejection and stops asking.’ But I think the reason they’d be ok with it is because women love the attention and being fawned over.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 02:43 PM
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Casual sex is instant gratification. Sometimes they’d rather buy something from a local store that you can see and touch versus ordering from Amazon and waiting for delivery.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 09:38 PM
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I knew a guy for 15 years and literally the day we moved in together was the first time I met the real him. Why did you wait so long? Strange way to get to know someone. Did you ever learn about his habits in his own home? Did he keep an immaculate house for 15 years? Did he leave dishes all over the place in his own house? Or did he live with his parents? Did he keep a clean car? When he wasn’t with you, was he playing video games all hours of the night? You never truly know someone until you l…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 09:23 PM
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As someone who's been in plenty of relationships with men, most men are like this. If all women had the standards you're suggesting then most men and women would be single Are you saying women knowingly get into relationships with (attractive) lazy slobs and hope they change? No wonder there’s so much disdain for men out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 08:11 PM
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When they were alone, the dog's owner would swear profusely at him as a way to show affection. Ha. I wonder if there are human couples who do this, and actually enjoy it. “F you, Todd! F you, Margo! ❤️”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 02:24 AM
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A woman doesn’t have to pay $500 an hour to get used.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 06:59 PM
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Why does it matter that the men get no attention from women? Are you implying that they should try to go gay?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 06:48 PM
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The (insensitive) humor thing pops up every once in a while and is annoying, but she has other good traits. But that’s a great question, one that I asked myself often. Women seem to value humor in men far higher. Would you continue dating a man who has mismatching humor?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 06:42 PM
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It really depends on what you mean by funny. • ⁠ if you are the type of man to provide in a relationship or go 50/50, or whatever in between My current gf and I go 50/50. We’re both in our 40s with high paying jobs and our own separate kids. • ⁠if you are in a relationship, do you think your wife/gf is funny I don’t find her funny. On the contrary. She thinks she’s funny when she makes deprecating jokes at other’s expense. To be fair, that is a trait that I find with both men and women. Jabbing …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 06:33 PM
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Multiple things can be true at once. A person can tell you that they want something serious, but also discover over days/weeks/months that you’re not the one. This is how dating works. How else do you want it to be? Do you want men to reject you instantly like women do? Then you’d be complaining on here just like men do. Do you want men to outright tell you that they always hold out judgment until they get to know you? Then you’d likely be complaining on here just the same. or he just wants to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 03:55 PM
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Because the “be attractive” part is gate keeping a large swath of men who possess the other politically correct behavioral requirements. It doesn’t matter though, the women with too high standards will eventually end up with their dream Prince Charming (very low likelihood) or alone and happy (as they claim).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 05:48 PM
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This is a good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 10:05 PM
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Most communication is non verbal and subconscious. What? Tell that to women who beg men to communicate more. Should men just make faces and grunts?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 09:49 PM
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What symptoms do you personally have such that you (or a doctor) can label yourself autistic? (curiosity)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:29 AM
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What makes you autistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 03:41 AM
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What makes you autistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 03:39 AM
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You said… I have yet to see or hear of a romance novel that has incest or violent rape as a romantic turn on. I never claimed that all/most women are turned on by that. It is certainly niche and I hear that it is often tied to trauma bonding. I provided links to the existence of male and female written topics for incest and rape. As well as anecdotal evidence of women that love that stuff (as fantasy or perverted turn on). Just because you have “yet to see it” doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 11:52 PM
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I have yet to see or hear of a romance novel that has incest or violent rape as a romantic turn on. Literotica has a whole section on incest and non-consensual sex. Are you referring to finding such writings at your local Barnes & Noble? Of course they won’t be there. I dated a couple women that would send me links to some of the raunchiest taboo stories I’ve ever read. I don’t fault them for it. But let’s not be hypocritical here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:46 AM
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A mostly evenhanded comment. Upvoted. Wanting your partner to be subservient to you is different from, and worse than, wanting your partner to be more powerful than you, even if both are equally unrealistic. Regardless of gender. What’s worse? A lazy person who expects to be taken care of… or a responsible adult that has to take care of that lazy person? See how that can be spun in a different way? What is the point of this post? To prove that women, on average, are morally "as bad" as men, on a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:31 AM
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Yeah that was pretty funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:15 AM
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Coming up with exceptions does not disprove the general rule of thumb. (Successful) women prefer tall, imposing, strong, masculine men. And if the man doesn’t have those physical traits, he must make it up 10-fold with intelligence, confidence, and other mental prowess. Just because there are sports where a shorter man (like horse jockey) can have an advantage does not mean women prefer them. I can also link studies that point to taller men being more successful and earn more $$$ over their life…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:10 AM
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it's not the same because in a trad relationship where the man is the provider, he's still in power In a trad relationship, there are a lot of benefits to the woman. She doesn’t have to worry about where the money comes from, how to pay for food, the house and its maintenance, the car she drives, the debt she accrues, the taxes that must be paid, protection from bad actors, and much more. It’s fine if the woman would rather deal with that all on her own and keep the so-called “power” but then do…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:54 AM
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Expecting a man to be tall, rich, and protective is also a transactional demand The function of being tall is… what? Why do you keep excluding the other aspects of the OC? The transactional utility of a man includes tall/strong AND rich, protective, confident, leader, and much more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:49 AM
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Yeah. If the roles were reversed, and I was bombarded with what I thought were low quality women, I would also sit back and wait for someone “worthy” to put in all the effort to impress me. Frankly, I don’t really fault women. It is human nature to follow the path of least resistance.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 04:42 PM
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True. I should have added, “they have to do a lot more [to get the men they want]”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 04:32 PM
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Yes, women only have to exist to get sex or first dates. But for commitment, they have to do a lot more.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 04:26 PM
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The unaccountability is you taking away women’s agency and condoning unethical abusive behavior towards their female peers because they want to reward fictitious men that aren’t even in their lives yet. You are degrading and reducing women to children who push other kids on the playground so they can get to the picnic table first where there are sugary treats waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:59 PM
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“The queen needs more dancing monkeys! 👏👏. Bring them well dressed this time!”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:45 PM
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“Stop looking for the perfect match. Instead find a good natured perfect match.” 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:42 PM
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At what age does romantic partnership become a business exchange Right before and up to divorce, when women demand unchanging men to become more ambitious. and at what age does it turn back into a romantic partnership? When divorced people find their desired relationship based on niche compatibilities. (Not including cross-cultural arrangements like passport bros with Filipino/Thai women)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:20 PM
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If a 5 man can get laid with confidence then he’s not a 5, unless he’s banging 2s. Source: women on here say they can’t sleep with a man they’re not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 01:24 PM
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most women who hook up with 10s know that it’s never going to go anywhere. That is almost true. Women love to try to lock down a hot guy for commitment, until they realize later in life that they can’t, and eventually settle for their match. It’s the average men… The fives and sixes who pretend to care about them and lie to women in order to get laid and then ghost them as soon as they get what they want. Nope. Once the 5s and 6s women realize that they can’t lockdown 10s, the equivalent 5 or 6 …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 04:21 AM
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Your claim sounds intuitive, but I think it’s more complex and less gendered. There are highly literate populations that could very well be knowledgeable about what’s going on in other parts of the world with birth control, individualism, career advancement, etc…, and still decide not to embrace the childless lifestyle. Some cultures prefer to have large families which is deemed more enjoyable and fulfilling than zero or one kid. This has nothing to do with their lack of knowledge about the worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:38 AM
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My experience has been that the men I know all seem to want kids. The women I know have more of a “idk if it happens it happens and I find the right person to be with” feeling about it. ​That is probably more a testament to the ubiquitous inability to find an adequate man up to their standards. Or the fact that early 20s women believe they have a lot of time to wait. 30+ is a different story. How old are these men women in your experience? IME, some women I dated were desperate to have kids wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:10 AM
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Debate neutralized. Nicely done.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:32 AM
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Women bully women because men want women? What kind of unaccountability logic is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:31 AM
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Every woman has replied a variation of the "it's not the same 20%!!!!1!1!" But what they don't realize is that it IS the same 20%. It's just not about ONLY physical looks. I would dare say that nearly all (hetero) (non-BDSM) women want ambitious, confident, emotionally supportive, funny, honest, kind men. Add in "tall" and the percentage of men that possess all of those qualities shrinks rapidly. As a hypothetical exercise, 15% of ALL men in the US are 6'0" or taller. And 50% of men in the US ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:40 AM
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yeah, look it up what % of people are virgins in your country, you'll see the % is usually small Having had sex once is not the same as the ability to have regular sex. Something which most women can do easily (with attractive men that may or may not want to commit to them). Researches from Indiana University say that nearly 1 in 3 U.S. men, ages 18 to 24, reported no sexual activity in the past year. Can you imagine being 1 of 3 people in college and your first 3 years of adult working life tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:03 AM
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I don’t know where you get from my comments that I personally have impulse control issues. But thanks for the needless personal attack. 🤷‍♂️ Regardless, it is well known that testosterone drives sexual desire. To the point where women use it to restore lost libido. As well as trans men reporting huge surge/need for sex and even saying they now understand how much self control men need to walk through life. Men must learn sexual self control. It’s something regular women don’t (need to) understan…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:56 PM
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A bisexual woman is a different creature. They have a fraction of the testosterone that makes men want to seek to sex. Anecdotally, the bi women I’ve dated were irrationally hornier than hetero women but not by much. Though there have been studies that found that bi/lesbian women have slightly higher testosterone levels than heterosexual women. We conclude that the small amount of heterogeneous research, from 50 years to date, suggests little discernable difference in sex hormone levels between …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 11:53 AM
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I've already had my kids, but I would definitely be up for having more as a SAHD if the woman was a high earner. (And there is mental/physical attraction, of course). I've dated high earning women in their 40s who already had kids and didn't want more. I've dated high earning women in their 40s who never had kids but couldn't have any for female reasons. I've dated women in their late 20s / early 30s that made $15/hr and desperately wanted kids. And also wanted me to be the breadwinner. The abov…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 11:26 PM
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I'm bisexual, and get crushes on lots of people. If I had to end a friendship every time someone didn't want to escalate to romance, I'd have no friends at all. As a bisexual man, I'd have no friends at all if I had to avoid everyone I could potentially be attracted to! You keep repeating this as if it is some sort of ace card. When in reality it muddies your argument even more. What do you do with the attraction you have towards most (if not all) of your supposed friends? Do you bury it deep do…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 11:04 PM
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No script. I’m always seeking a relationship AND seeking to get laid with the same woman. It’s not an either/or. Hookups are empty for me. That said, I am more sexually direct if the woman is not super attractive. And I’m a lot more careful with my words if she’s significantly above my league. Unless she’s throwing herself at me, at which point there’s probably something fishy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:35 PM
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then why do incels exist? Theyre assholes who refuse to stop being assholes and theyre still not desired. Not all incels are assholes. I know a few from college that keep to themselves, play their MMOs, and paint their Warhammer figurines on a Saturday night, without even the thought of complaining about women. I wish there was a stronger word than misandry, because the utter hatred and disdain towards unfortunate (yet content) men who have neither the physical traits nor taught social skills to…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:25 AM
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Patently false. No one is able to fully know a person on the offset. I never said “at the offset”. The example red flags I listed pop-up over months. once the woman has kids, he becomes unbearably useless or skips out on being a father entirely. Now you’ve moved the goal post. A man who turns out to be a bad father is not an asshole. He’s a bad father. That has its own set of red flags that women ignore. Women may be happy with the man before children because he’s adventurous, spontaneous, and o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 11:11 PM
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Men are way more likely to do this than women because they're desperate for sex. Women are also likely to do this because they're desperate for a relationship [with an attractive man]. She likely knew he was jerky at times, snippy with waiters, aggressive at a hotel check-in when the room wasn't ready, complaining a lot about work colleagues, commenting on ugly people when people watching, cynical at the quality of food at a restaurant, blew off a friend to spend time with her, always choosing h…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 10:26 PM
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average looking guys can have multiple women (they are cheaters) Tea App and "Are we dating the same guy" groups have several categories: Some woman is dating a guy that another woman has dated in the past and wants to get dirt on him. Some woman is dating a guy that another woman is currently dating and wants to get dirt on him. Some woman broke up with a guy that treated her poorly in her opinion, and wants to warn other women. Some woman was broken up with, the guy treated her badly, and she …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 10:08 PM
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Chads end up naturally good with women because they're attractive. See the "Halo Effect". It's a self feeding cycle where Chad... gets smiles and touches from women because he's tall and handsome. can tell a mildly amusing joke that gets roars of laughter. gets communication effort from women during the early phases of dating. does not have to suffer as much rejection. gets access to a bigger social circle because people want to be with attractive people. can focus on non-women-related pursuits …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:39 PM
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Yes, a man can have ambition for a low/no-paying job like non-profit, helping the needy, starving artist, musician that never makes it big, etc... But a woman won't likely stay with a man like that unless he's really attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:26 PM
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Correct. Because Chad doesn’t have to put in work to get benefits. It’s a simple case of envy. It’s easier to blame women who choose attractive men first and evaluate personality later.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 02:52 PM
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Not true at all. A guy who is ambitious in a low status, low-paying job will be seen as a chump unless he is trying to get a better job. What? A guy in a low status job with no desire to improve is not an ambition guy. You’re basically saying, “an ambitious guy is not an ambitious guy unless he’s an ambitious guy.”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 02:38 PM
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Of course, an equally ugly woman will eat up those lies. No different than Chad lying to hot Becky. The question is more regarding unequal physical attraction. An unattractive man lying his way into the heart/pants of an attractive woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:44 PM
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A lot of western men will basically be “love bombed” by women who, while not directly “scamming”, are nonetheless desperate to escape poverty and to help out their families. Yes, a passport man has to accept that the rescue is what generates the “love”. But a lot of western men can only define real love when there is no financial incentive. Hence the disdain for gold diggers. It’s a double-edged sword because men want to feel appreciated for their efforts (rescue) but also want it to be challeng…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:39 PM
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Those work coming from unattractive men?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:00 PM
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Agreed. Passport bros are prequalified and can waive ambition, since they have achieved a status that a native man from that country can only dream of. I would become a passport bro myself, but it seems like a daunting task of weeding through scammers, let alone the language barrier. I didn’t know you were a passport bro, wtknight. I hope it has worked out for you, and that your marriage is a happy one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:58 PM
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Check out this video for an example of a woman receiving a reward for her (covert) actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 11:17 AM
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I think the distinction is that sex is a subconscious reward to someone’s attraction and sometimes intentional effort. And I believe it is often gendered because men are the ones that have to put in the effort to get access to this rare commodity. A Chad may be rewarded easily because of genetic luck. And a regular man will be rewarded by being kind, confident, and personable, without it being his sole purpose to get sex, of course. Women can’t see the reward aspect because sex is easily obtaine…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 11:05 AM
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Not sure what morality has to do with it, but Ambition is the #1 requirement for women. That one word encodes confidence, resolve, resilience, mental growth, potential financial success, and often even social skills. An attractive man may be able to begin relationships easily but he will be divorced within a few years if he remains stagnant. I would even say ambition is synonymous with masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 10:32 AM
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Good explanation of the lying conundrum. I, too, want to hear what lies women are falling for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 03:12 AM
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That’s easy for women to say since they rarely have to endure rejection upfront (zero likes for months on OLD or looks of disgust IRL). But you’re right, the “shitty people are shitty, you didn’t want them anyway” mentality is the only recourse. It is men’s lot in life to learn to take rejection in stride (politely) and move onto the next attempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:11 AM
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They only know women who go after attractive assholes. Thats not normal. That's an interesting claim. How do you know what type of women men know? I have actually befriended women who have had asshole boyfriends: all of them victims of abuse and parents who werent paying attention to them. Abuse is wrong. Parental neglect is unfortunate. Those are not right for anyone. But it still stands that women go after attractive assholes, wanting them to kind to her and be an asshole only to other people.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:12 PM
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attractive assholes do well with shallow dysfunctional and/or women Yes, that I have seen you say. That's an important distinction. But attractive assholes do well with most women, dysfunctional or not. And guys here want the ones that dont Guys here want the ones that don't what? Are you saying guys here want women that don't want men with good personalities? I've never read that from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 09:52 PM
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Exactly. But also consider that it is very difficult for men to approach IRL because women get icks and label men creepy if they are personally not attracted to the guy. So it's quite the catch 22. It all boils down to being attractive: OLD: Need to be attractive to get a swipe. IRL: Need to be attractive to not be considered a creeper.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 03:31 PM
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it’s just nice guys are unattractive assholes that wish they are attractive Everyone wishes to be attractive to the opposite sex. Being ugly doesn't necessarily make a guy an asshole. "You can get away with being unlikeable if you're attractive." I’ve been sayong that. You guys just dont listen. No. You never really admit that men can get away with being unlikeable if they're attractive. In fact, your above comment about guys being "assholes" proves the opposite. Most women supposedly want a man…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 03:27 PM
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You can get away with being unattractive if youre likable. You can get away with being unlikable if you’re attractive. That’s the first based thing you’ve said in a long while. Now, which of those two groups do most women prefer when dating online? The former or the latter?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 11:22 AM
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Sure. That’s why rules #1 and #2 exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 08:57 PM
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Although you are correct in saying men don’t have enough support systems— the “support” is not the point of my comment. It is the minimization of the effect of rejection afforded to women by everyone. Men are supposed to take rejection in stride and keep approaching/getting on the horse no matter how repeatedly demoralizing it feels. Hopefully we grow thick skin and mentally regroup to try again. Almost like Wile E. Coyote trying to catch the roadrunner. In contrast, women are taught and instill…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 04:26 PM
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Gotcha. Are you implying that adults instilling gender roles into you as a young girl makes you feel rejected in romantic adult relationships? (Trying to be as charitable as possible here. Otherwise, an example of romantic rejection would be helpful)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 03:43 PM
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Whenever i asked for some kind of a need to be met - it was rejected and i was ordered to meet theirs or someone elses needs. I was hoping to hear a specific example where you asked for a need to be met, and someone said no, and ordered you to do something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 03:25 PM
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I promise you average and below average women experience rejection plenty, especially when younger. That is true. I have some overweight and tall female friends that have a slightly harder time in dating. But they still get to date a lot of men and lean hard on quirky guys with niche hobbies that don’t groom themselves much. I.e. They end up lowering their standards to avoid rejection. In middle school, my crush asked me out and I was so excited… until I heard his friends off in a distance, chuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 03:17 PM
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I constantly experienced rejection from when i was a child. Who rejected you as a child? Whenever i asked for some kind of a need to be met - it was rejected and i was ordered to meet theirs or someone elses needs. Who ordered you and why were you taking orders? As fragile little things that aren't allowed to do anything. And constant fearmongering, so that they won't want to do anything. Who feared you into not doing things? This sounds like some kind of bad parenting / evil stepmother situatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 03:12 PM
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not really Not really what? I will probably graduate college at like 24-25.. 24-25 is still young. That’s a good age for marriage and kids. But you still have to be intentional in having invested time picking a good guy by then. I'm not WAITING The point is that if women don’t prioritize LTR in their 20s, they’ll end up rushing to pick a man just for having children (if they want a family). If you don’t want kids, then sure, you can wait until 65. I have a female friend who worked on her “studie…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 01:56 PM
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So how long are you going to wait? After you graduate from college at 21, you’re still very young.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 12:02 PM
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This 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 11:58 AM
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Man argument: “explanation on biological imperative” Woman argument: “that’s weird” 🍿
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 11:53 AM
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I dated a man shorter than me. He was chubby. I paid for 80% of stuff. I helped him through his insecurities. And he still turned out to be a lying, manipulative redpiller. Geez, lady. Name two redeeming qualities shorty had that made you want to date him. Maybe he was a good manipulator but women usually smell an insecure freeloader a mile away. Or were you in a stage in life that you hadn’t yet red-pilled yourself to seek confident providers?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 11:44 AM
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Being rejected is a normal part of life For MEN. That is a skill men must learn quickly or they end up black pilled. Women only begin experience rejection much later in life. And when they do, other women coddle them by saying, “oh, he doesn’t deserve you!” your parents who raised you to think life owed you whatever you desired. That is how girls are typically raised. As princesses.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 11:34 AM
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No actual rebuttal. You’re just repeating yourself. Good luck on your crusade to nuder men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 10:31 AM
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Obligatory, “two things can be true at once”. And both states often go hand in hand for men. Ironically, you’re claiming that the whining men are not lonely and lead fulfilling platonic lives full of family and friendships who want to spend time with them. Then they log onto PPD just to complain about lack of sex. No, the men who complain about sex are horny AND lonely. They want someone who “plays with them at the playground” AND someone who wants physical intimacy. And they don’t have to be th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 04:30 AM
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Women don’t want to approach at any point. Cold, warm, hot, or anywhere in between.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 02:20 AM
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Because you said, [not attractive] “right away” which implies it takes time to build attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 06:36 PM
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Then slowly get to know him, then approach when you are attracted. The amount of mental gymnastics women do to justify fear of rejection is staggering.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 02:02 PM
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I am passive sexually verging on seeming asexual if it’s not offered up on a silver platter. So you’re a… typical woman. I wouldn’t even think to approach someone Women are socialized not to have to think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 01:40 PM
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ngl. You sound like a dream gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 01:46 AM
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But I’d never marry someone I felt luke warm about or didn’t show me he adored me. 💯 Men should strive towards the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 11:44 PM
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No offense, but if it’s true that you just learned that, means many women don’t know how to make a man feel desired non-sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 11:43 PM
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Yes. Flowers, plants, candles. All great gifts that are seen as traditionally for women. The thought is what really counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 09:11 PM
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That’s fair to say for strangers at a bar. But the lighting up should always be there for established relationships. I’m referring to a “hell yeah” attitude in a relationship. People (especially men) should not be settling for partners that don’t truly desire them, partners that don’t light up most of the time. And I agree that some charm, time, and effort should be spent to get to that point, on both sides. OP is implying that men should settle for women that have lukewarm desire for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 08:52 PM
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Thats a great question to tell the men here. It’s a question to you. You seem to be 100% sure men only care about sex. Men know what makes them feel desired: compliments, flowers, little gifts based on his hobbies, food without planning or paying for it, holding doors open for them, receiving pictures of their partner (not necessarily nude), praise for their work, respect, and peace. Basically things most men only receive when they’re at the hospital or at their funeral.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 04:17 PM
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So when it applies to women having disgust towards most men, is it manophobia? 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 04:04 PM
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Sounds exactly like what women say. 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 04:02 PM
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No. Men want women to light up and be excited to spend time with their man most of the time. Not borderline rolling their eyes waiting for the man to impress the woman. How many hours per week are we awake, 7x16=112 ? A successful sex life (to me) would be like 3 times per week for an hour at a time. That’s less than 3% of the time. The other 97% should still be filled with kind, pleasant interactions where both men and women put in the effort to make the other person feel desired. Can you stop …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:46 PM
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A thank you. If there's a second date, I think the woman/other person should pay then. That seems reasonable. But in your recollection, how many first dates turned into second dates? Also, since you are bisexual, do you go on romantic dates with women? If so, which woman pays on the first date? You or the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 11:48 AM
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Well put.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 04:22 AM
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Where is the proof that the so-called red flagged men are cheaters? From what I’ve seen is that the men are players or pump-and-dumpers that date the same women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 06:13 PM
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IMO, “protected” means they want the presence of a benevolent dominant. A man who can mentally and physically command a room, other men, and even her at times. He has to be kind to the woman, but firm with anyone else in her defense. Put people in their place. He has to do things right most of the time, but humble, and not reckless or error prone. Basically a father figure that can set things right for the woman when things aren’t going well in her life. Someone who knows more, with quick soluti…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 03:19 AM
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That the person they are opening up to won’t hurt them. They won’t use words and memories and fears shared in moments of vulnerability against them. You mean the very thing that happens to men when they are vulnerable with women? (It’s time to start calling women unsafe)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 03:01 AM
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So let the losers be together and continue searching for non-loser people. If it’s rare to find people who don’t thirst, there’s not much you can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:55 PM
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This is the most reasonable answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 06:26 PM
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That should be a strong incentive for more women to ask men out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 06:13 PM
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What's that red pill quote? "Pay attention to their actions, not their words", something like that. The actions/words red pill quote is attributed to women. Men talk and act on sex. Women are all over the place with their words. So the source of truth is their actions. Men tell women, "you don't need to do xyz" but women know full well when they're more likely to be hit on, they know what they look like when they're treated better or when they're treated worse, they've seen which friend gets mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 05:40 AM
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LOL what? You.....you think women just arrive looking like they do? Not OC, but yes. Women “arrive” as they are and men are attracted to them. Countless men keep telling women that they don’t need to cake on any amount of makeup, or put on expensive dresses. Wash your hair and put on a T-shirt, some jean shorts, and your ponytail through a ball cap, and men will still want you. Again, if men were so visual it wouldn't just be specifically focused on women. This is a very odd take. Yes, it is spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 08:33 PM
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Or… there are men who don’t require a looksmatch (or better) and see most women as attractive enough for relationships. e.g. I’d marry a kind butter-face over a hot annoying woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 08:44 PM
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When I was 40, I once got a compliment on my pants from a semi-drunk girl at a Dave Matthew’s concert. I said, “Thanks!” and she walked towards her seat with her girlfriends a few rows back. I had been dating someone for a few months at the time, otherwise I would have introduced myself. Does that count? Besides that, I’ve had genuine reciprocal interest on dating apps. But only after I initiated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 02:26 PM
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Forgot 3.) people who have no issues obtaining relationships but come here to troll others who are less fortunate. Likely because they want an anonymous venue to disagree with ideas/explanations they don’t like. (misogyny + misandry)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 08:13 PM
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Of course, who wouldn’t want someone they find attractive to be obsessed with them without having to reciprocate, AND who proactively plans exciting and unique activities. It’s like experiencing your birthday for every date. Besides the obvious entitlement and laziness of that concept, the problem is that women want the obsession to come from only confident, attractive, attentive, ambitious, emotionally mature men. But that is extremely rare, especially for the average woman. It’s going to be ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:55 PM
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I get it. But let’s at least acknowledge that there are two bars: Reluctant requirements bar: “I won’t settle, I’d rather stay single than take a man that’s not up to par.” Actual SMV bar: “Oh damn, I’m getting old and I want kids, let me give my friendzoned guy a chance. He’s not very ambitious or intelligent, but he’s not an asshole to me. The bar is in hell!” Anecdotally, I have one female acquaintance who went the second route. Her and I dated briefly, but she wanted kids and I didn’t, so I …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:36 PM
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I’m not convinced that average women maxx much besides hair and makeup, if that. There are a lot of overweight people out there. My posh local gym still has a high ratio of male to female. I’m more inclined to think that men will date a wider range of “looks”. Especially after women end up having to settle for them. The ones men actually notice looksmax a fuck ton. Noticing and able to date are very different concepts.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:26 PM
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I agree with men just existing. Isn’t that what women do— wanting to be accepted as they are? (besides putting on makeup) It’s more like “men’s quality is in hell according to me” not that women’s requirements bar is in hell. It’s the complete opposite. Until they settle, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 02:51 PM
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My apologies for deleting. I was agreeing with you after noticing you were red pill. So I figured my comment would be preaching to the choir. Here the gist of my reply: “It is a delusional dream lol. List the qualities that put the bar in hell.” Basically the man, the average woman settles for… As to your example, I also agree. But the key is that is what women “settle” for. Not what they’re seeking. Many women now say that they’re willing to stay single until they find a good man. Which really …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:04 PM
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You’re blowing this out of proportion. It is the same as women asking men to dress well for their profile pictures. Would you go out with a man with no pictures or wearing sunglasses and a ball cap?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:56 AM
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No. I’d just like to see her true self as well as the effort she can put in when we to go to a public function/party.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:47 AM
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Not settling: Kind Intelligent Financially self sufficient Health conscious Family oriented I’d be happy with 4 out of those 5. As long as kindness is always present.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 12:24 AM
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The bar is in hell when it comes to our expectations for men Women wanting men that are attractive (but not cocky), fit (but not a gym rat), financially stable (but not a workaholic), chivalrous, generous, emotionally intelligent (but not a crybaby), confident (but not arrogant), funny (but not corny/goofy), empathetic (but not a pushover), sets boundaries (but not controlling), and much more… is not a bar in hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 12:12 AM
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A picture with and without makeup. E.g. one dolled up to go out and one chilling at home with a pet or a book.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 11:46 PM
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If men want to experience women If by “experience” you mean visually, then sure. But not for touching them. Online sex work is increasing. In-person sex work is decreasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 09:09 PM
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The one tenet of RP I fully subscribe to is “genuine burning desire”. A woman that shows that is miles ahead of the conventionally attractive competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 12:06 PM
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For number 1 💯- add-in a great personality and she’s marriage material.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 12:03 PM
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A woman who isn’t a fucking headache is worth more than beauty in most cases 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 11:59 AM
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“Patch” is a key word. $100K man with $150K woman sounds doable. If the man is ambitious. $80K man with $400K woman is fraught with issues. Especially if it is prolonged. Or the man is lazy or isn’t trying hard to get out of that 500% hole. Check out this Dave Ramsey call. In any case, women who make that much more will rarely (if ever) date a man who makes much less. There has to be some magic D or strong signals from (past/future) potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 03:30 AM
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By how much? 15% , 200% ?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 03:16 AM
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This is why all my female friends swipe right maybe 1% of the time. Which makes them even more choosy. It’s fun/sad to watch them stop at 1 out of 100 to scrutinize their profile, read something that gives them an ick, and swipe left anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 03:02 AM
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A man who earns X% less than a woman for a prospective relationship is always considered a bum, dusty, hobosexual, seeking a sugar momma, freeloader, etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:42 AM
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Great distinction. You sound like a very cool friend. How are you during relationships? Sounds like you need a confident man that can handle the cuntiness. 😂 In a similar vein. I dated a woman that was 100% nice to strangers and her friends, but would be difficult in the relationship whenever she had an issue with me. Contradictory, combative, and borderline controlling. It’s almost as if it is easier to be nice, kind, and empathetic when there are no expectations towards/from the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 12:46 AM
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If I could find such a woman, I’d marry her. Truly kind women are rare, IME. And even when they are “nice” it comes with conditions. I’d rather date an ugly/fat kind woman over a hot high-maintenance annoying woman. It’s the corollary of a woman who would get tired of a Chad with no emotional intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 04:08 PM
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That’s the point, and the definition of low maintenance IMO. There are women (people) who have fewer “wants” so it is less likely to run into problems. They are more easily contented with what they already get from the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 08:03 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 02:14 PM
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The corollary should be that relationships are happier when the woman finds the man more successful than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 02:12 PM
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I like that UT study! You may be right, then. What I believe is happening is that a man is driven by physical and sexual attraction, which will likely make him put in more effort into the relationship, which in turn will make the woman happier. The issue is that the (lesser attractive) man has to figure out how to attain the relationship to begin with. In this online world of increasing access to attractive men for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 02:09 PM
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Thanks for the links. Men agree a lot more about who they find attractive and unattractive than women agree about who they find attractive and unattractive As to the first one. There is no surprise there. The study was about relative ratings. Of course men will rate women more attractive than others. That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t get into a relationship with the lesser attractive women. … reading the other links now…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 01:55 PM
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Genuinely curious, what literature? Men tend to have a wider range for what we find attractive. I would be very happy with a 4 that is perfect in every other respect over a 9 that will jump ship when another 9 comes into her life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 01:44 PM
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I believe a relationship is more likely to succeed when the man is more attractive (to her). Less likely that the woman will get bored or feel like she settled and is entitled to a better man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 01:37 PM
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includes things like: being emotionally intelligent, marriage-minded, having compatible values and personality, being physically attractive (to her), professionally driven, liked by family and friends, and enjoyable to be around, etc. Very few men check all those boxes You’re describing the perfect man, not just a good man. And of course most women want those traits. Hence why they have such difficulty. etc Can’t emphasize the “etc” enough. There are a lot more traits missing from that list that…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 01:27 AM
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No. I wouldn’t take it. Anecdotally, I have a few gay friends and while I see them be hot for their partners and other gay men, they don’t seem to produce that longing love that women are capable of. And they are just as picky, if not more so than women, when it comes to looks and romance. But you will get lots of indiscriminate sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 08:01 PM
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That’s only true if already partnered.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 05:12 PM
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That's the majority of men. Majority of men? Over 185cm (6 feet) is 14.5% of men in the US and 16% in Scandinavia.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 09:37 PM
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Height, facial structure, confidence, pre-selection based on success markers, ovulation, and more…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 10:09 PM
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Agreed. But most women here balk at men being friends with them hoping for more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 02:10 AM
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Sounds safe. But you shouldn’t s### where you eat.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 02:06 AM
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I wish it worked that way. Even if it’s just one man, he’d still get rejected. And the women would be staring at the door waiting for a better opportunity to walk in.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 01:50 AM
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So now you don’t deny it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 01:40 AM
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From our own PPD. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/U5i53wW7OF I can find you other links. Speed dating events are mostly women because men get insta-rejected on sight.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 01:39 AM
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Most men get zero matches for weeks. Maybe. Assuming a healthy group of friends. And if you have that, there would be no complaints anyway. Only women go to speed dating. And the local singles groups I see, are mostly mixed crowds taking a group selfie at a bar, but no one matches with each other. A few months later, there’s another selfie with the same group plus a few more newcomers that don’t match either. As you said, iffy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 01:34 AM
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Friends with women without wanting sex at all, right? Good luck (to those men)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 01:27 AM
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Yep. It is the same sort of rejection when men tell women, “you’re great, but _____” The imagination runs wild with what comes after that “but”. And “not for me” doesn’t always cut it. Not that it really matters in the end. It’s not gonna work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:54 PM
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Those are great points. We do evolve (or devolve) every decade. And no one should get into a relationship expecting change. I think because we know that people have such different personalities that what isn’t compatible for one person may be exactly what another person is looking for in a partner. What are some examples of “trash for you” but “treasure for me” ?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:40 PM
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Great doesn't imply relationship material though, and "not for me" doesn't apply lack of attraction. I know lots of lovely and attractive guys who I would never date, because we just wouldn't have compatible lifestyles. Ok. Agreed. But the devil is in the details. Example - I knew a guy once who was hot, lovely, funny, good company. But he was a bit of a hippie who had just left uni and wanted to go live in a van and travel about Yes. Ambition and stability are pretty much universal requirements…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:36 PM
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Understood. “Great for friendship” is very different than “Great for romance”. One is tolerance and enjoyment in doses, and another has a lot more (nuanced) dealbreakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 09:26 PM
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I understand. But “clashing personalities” is still vague, especially when they describe a man as “great.” It comes off more like a politically correct gentle letdown to tell a man, “you’re amazing, and there’s someone else out there for you, just not me.” It is the quintessential friend zoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:18 PM
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I can understand extrovert versus introvert, and people who do or don’t want kids. But there are a lot of women who say that you don’t have to have shared interests. That opposites attract, as long as you’re passionate about something, or you can teach them something. But I agree with you. I’ve dated women who don’t share my interests, and were persistent about staying together, but it was just not enjoyable when we couldn’t relate with movies/shows, video games, political stance, beach versus m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:06 PM
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I’ve met plenty of men who are really great, maybe not for me; I’m always curious when women say this. And they say this a lot, even when they’re about to divorce a man. What constitutes the “not for me” part? Too short? Don’t like his line of work? Too poor? Don’t like his particular face? Lacks hair?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 07:01 PM
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their date Not sure why you call those men “their date” as if there is some sense of possession or commitment. You should call them “a stranger they met once or twice.”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:07 PM
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This is the answer. Women want it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:52 PM
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Women: ideally I want 6/6/6 Women never say this. On here or IRL. Women are very PC about what they want from men. They only mention behavioral traits. Maybe you’re referring to Fresh’n’Fit OF girls after they’re forced to answer questions about height and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:39 PM
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That makes sense, and very red pill of you. Women’s value is tied to their age and men’s value is tied to their provisioning. So we are back to supply and demand. Especially if we refuse to categorize women as “average” within their own (young) age group.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:59 PM
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That’s fine, but the discrepancy is that average women in their youth refuse average men, then eventually realize that they will remain single unless they market-correct themselves to their looksmatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:50 PM
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your looksmatch is a woman that wouldn’t be able to do better than you. She either says yes to you or stays single forever. I agree, but women who don’t want to be single forever only realize that they should settle for their looksmatch after they’ve burned out their youth chasing a career or a top guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:41 PM
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If anything, it’s men who are inflating egos by constantly competing for the small % of attractive women The rhetoric and the reality is the complete opposite. Most men go for whatever they can get. It is women who are picky. (Rightfully so because of supply and demand).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:36 PM
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Gotcha. Yeah, social media FYPs are rife with before & after / Hag to Hottie transformations. Men need to be aware of those, for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:24 PM
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I was granting your claim that women have lower self-esteem for argument’s sake. They can believe they have lower self-esteem— “woe is me, I can’t get the man I want, I must be flawed”, “but I refuse to lower my standards.” Basically a victim with inflated ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:19 PM
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Large numbers of 5'2" women dating 6' men leave many 5'7" people of both sexes without a suitable pool of potential partners. I agree, but this implies that women absolutely require a man at least as tall as them, but not too tall to take away from taller women? Humans are greedy. If they can take it all or the best, they will. There’s no real point in shaming people for a biological need even if it’s an extreme. This would be like shaming people to not buy all the food/gas/toilet paper, instead…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:12 PM
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That doesn’t refute the OP. Women may partially have lower self-esteem precisely because they feel unable to secure a top 10% to 20% man for the long-term.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:31 PM
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as it stands most men genuinely suck at recognizing what’s natural and what’s product applied lol Why does that matter? Just because you can fool somebody doesn’t mean it’s real. Unless women plan to never show their face after a shower.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:20 PM
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The only way to actually reduce the supposed inflated egos, is to just not think about women. I mostly agree. That could be #7 or replace all other OP points. But you can’t just ask men to stop thinking of women entirely. The red pill advice is to maximally improve yourself to the point where women come to you, without centering women in the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:17 PM
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Thanks for the insight about yourself. You sound too good to be true from a guy’s point of view. Lucky partner if you have one. Bonding over sexual visuals is something that a lot of guys would want. But I really don't think it's purely just testrone, hormones in genreal are complex from what I have read and watched. Testosterone is very powerful. I would still bet you’re on the high side for a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 04:05 PM
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Do you happen to be bisexual? It would be curious to see your testosterone levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 12:40 AM
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And red pill theory is that sex is a barometer for a woman’s true desire for a man. Not that it’s the only thing necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:32 AM
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You’re the one confidently assuming all men “OnLy” want sex. Women cry that men are the ones who generalize AWALT and here you are doing it. A bit hypocritical. Show me one post of a lonely man saying he only wants sex and doesn’t care for the romance and desire from the woman. I’ll wait. My boyfriend is under 6’ lmao. Does your boyfriend ONLY want sex? Why do you accept that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:29 AM
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I’ve been on this sub for many years. Women think men only want sex just like men think women only want emotional support. Stop going after arrogant tall assholes, and you’d see a large world of lonely men that want it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:12 AM
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But so many of these individuals insist they only want sex. No one says “only”. Just because it’s higher/highest priority doesn’t mean it’s the only want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:09 AM
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men who only go after women they actually like. That’s most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 10:57 PM
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No. Picking one example of an extreme still does not negate the fact that it is better overall if people (both men and women) try to be civil and maintain an intact home when there are young children involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 08:06 PM
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You mean like TwoX and FDS ?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 10:33 AM
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Not OC, It’s a statistical improbability there’s that many bad men… So? So, the statistics imply that women are mostly doing the bad, not the men. Which goes against the title of your OP. now I introduce that Lesbians divorce at a higher rate than hetero… So? So, the statistics imply that women are mostly doing the bad, not the men. Which goes against the title of your OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 02:16 AM
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No, a child being raised in a stable and happy home is ideal. Anyone who thinks otherwise is naïve. Statistics that children’s outcome is worse in single parent homes is not a thought someone has. Just because there are some stable single-parent households does not negate that fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 02:09 AM
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You’re saying you have to stick every landing in one sentence and 2 sentences later say you can’t be wishy-washy unsure of yourself around every corner. Does the ocean of space between those two extremes not register with you? It does but it doesn’t register with women. But that’s why you don’t stop at 5%. You need to completely overhaul your life, like someone who had 60% body fat would So you’re agreeing that women don’t want 60% or 55% body fat, they want 6% to 18% body fat? (To use your anal…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 02:04 AM
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Some dudes here are so anti-woman that they genuinely don’t stop to think about the fathers that aren’t showing up for their kids. I believe women would make great strides in the PPD sphere if they somehow compiled statistics of abusive men who abandon their children, as being average, and not tall cocky attractive assholes. It would kill many birds with a single stone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 01:57 AM
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The two ways: A man with money+age, or woman who can’t survive without a man. Pretty simple. And most would prefer the latter. Unless it’s really just one way: money+age+necessity. I agree with you. Was just making sure I was reading a BP woman’s words correctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 01:28 AM
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Gaining 5lbs of muscle may be easy to see and do, but it won’t make much of a difference. Same goes for confidence. Gaining 5% confidence (or whatever measure you want to use) won’t get you very far. Women want Olympic levels of confidence. And that takes years of training. Confidence where you stick the landing at every decision point in your past and present life as well as any experience you share that affects her. I’ve lived this in every relationship. You can’t be wishy-washy unsure of your…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 01:23 AM
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Knowing “quite a few” doesn’t make it a large population. I agree with OC, women that present as dominant are extremely rare, and even more rare are the ones who genuinely Want and Need a submissive man. I am also part of the kink community. 9/10 dominant women I know, want an even stronger dominant man eventually. They are just unable to find him and are happy to lap up the adoration of submissive men in the meantime. Especially those men that worship and respect women to a great degree. The ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 01:08 AM
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An ugly or old rich dude with a hot wife is a beta, by definition. So is a passport bro with a much younger gf You think it’s not bad to acquire women in those two ways?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 12:55 AM
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the “nice guy” was the absolute worst. What made the guy nice? (Besides him claiming he’s nice) Do you believe everything someone says they are?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 09:35 PM
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That’s only true if you didn’t co-mingle the accounts. I speak from (regrettable) personal experience. And anything you accumulate together is also considered shared. Even there are no kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 12:00 PM
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If a person goes into a marriage with 20 years of savings, and loses half in 5-7 years, that’s not one financial entity. And certainly not savvy decision. Need prenups all around.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 02:36 AM
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You could go the route of only dating women that earn more than you, in which case joint assets divided would be in your favor. Women don’t date down financially. Or negotiate a prenuptial agreement. Unless you’re a celebrity, women balk at prenups. And honestly, if you married a person that brought zero to the game Not zero, but usually a lot less. As compared to a single person moving through life, a married person feels several financial benefits including shared rent, food, covering for each…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 02:34 AM
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Glad to hear you and your husband communicated. One virgin (OP) in a relationship is rare enough, but two, like in your situation, is extremely rare. That is a very different dynamic where preferences and desires are unknown on both sides. It’s a beautiful journey of exploration usually without expectations. In general, when non-virgin women say, “I want a man with communication skills.” (in sex), what that typically means is that they want the man to listen when she has concerns, but to show up…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 07:55 PM
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It does go for everyone. But generally, women don’t want to deal with a man with trauma. They expect men to be stoic, confident, “the rock in the relationship”. And help handle her trauma without much reciprocation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 01:12 PM
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It’s better to have nothing than a debt (trauma, emotional baggage and habits form failed relationships). So I would actually very much prefer a virgin. This is one of the red-pill tenets for why they suggest seeking younger women, even if there is an age gap. Less baggage to unpack.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 12:40 PM
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If for some terrible reason I had to date again after years of marriage, I’d prefer to date someone with compatible experience, Good point. not someone who has to be taught the basics Also a good point. Women don’t want to teach men anything, much less how to be sexual. They want to be the ones taught something. Teaching a man is the opposite of a man being confident and knowing how to please her. I’ve seen countless profiles on dating apps where women say, “teach me something.” Because that’s a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 12:35 PM
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Good point. When women say they want a kind caring confident man, they don’t mean ONLY those traits, he must be attractive and tall as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 07:19 PM
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While the CDC claims 4.2 partners median for women and 6.1 partners for men, (which I highly doubt since it’s self-reported)… they also list the percentage of people who said they’ve had 15+ partners. It turns out to be 21% of men and 10% of women. That is not insignificant. Every 5th/10th first date someone has could be with someone who has had 15 to 50+ partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:16 AM
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She is acting way too entitled That’s many women. the girl who made the video also didn’t make a single move. That’s many women. With the date, if you made the plans, you pay. You can also offer to split. The other girl asked her out. If I were to meet this girl, I’d swipe left on her. fucking gross. Yep. I listen to Dan Savage a lot and many lesbian women call in saying they don’t want to date bi women because they’re entitled and wishy washy. And bi women call in complaining they are passed ov…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:41 AM
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Men were at an advantage when they didn’t have these numbers to wallow in constantly. Men were at an advantage because women used to have less choice. Limited to men in their local vicinity. Now they swipe over 500 men in a month and line up 4 dates per weekend. Short-to-Average men don’t need to turn to numbers to wallow or experience rejection. It happens in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 02:23 AM
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No. All short women (5’-5’3”) I know as friends vocally want 6’+ men. A 5’0” women won’t date a 5’2” guy, unless it’s in the Mexican culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 02:13 AM
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That’s great! Amazing sex paves the way for everything else to be enjoyable. You can’t really be mad at your partner when you can always keep things sexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 09:59 PM
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not all women date with "intention." For some of us it's casual until it's not. "Equality" to use sex as a vetting process is happening faster than I thought. Not a bad thing. CC: u/LillthOfBabylon
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 09:22 PM
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For most women who routinely hook up, the hookup is part of the vetting process. "Equality" to use sex as a vetting process is happening faster than I thought. Not a bad thing. CC: u/LillthOfBabylon
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 09:21 PM
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What do you consider waiting? Weeks, months? As to your questions: I wait to make sure the woman is comfortable, enthusiastic, and gives clear signs that she’s attracted to me sexually. Typically by waiting for her to bring up her fantasies and kinks in conversation. The anticipation of sex is far more enjoyable than a quick nut, that I can get on my own. Apps. It has been 5 dates or so IME. Yes, a peck or kiss on the first date is a huge sign of attraction. Followed by a sweet text from her lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 07:52 PM
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That’s good. Then you’re a great catch in my book.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:56 PM
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Mostly green flags, as long we're attracted physically, she is sweet, and as she's willing to date a single dad. Potential red flags, childless people tend to be more selfish and set in their ways. In that regard, I prefer single moms with kids similarly aged to mine. But she may be an exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 03:04 PM
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That’s a specific context. Mediocre sex plus nagging won’t keep a good man. But it will keep a desperate man. In that case, the woman will leave. And by “good man” I mean a man with a backbone. Which is a trait many women desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:44 PM
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Cardi B is a pick-me now? I can’t believe you want to use some slutty celebrity ex-stripper as a role model. Is that how you want to portray women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:13 PM
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Go make a different post about cheating. Stay on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:05 PM
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Yes, pussy can make a man stay. But she has to also be sweet, as I already said.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:03 PM
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lol. That is your go-to response when someone doesn’t disagree the way you want them to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:02 PM
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Oh, I forgot. Me and other men in my life are unique snowflakes— never to be replicated again in humankind.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:00 PM
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Huh? Do you only accept replies that confirm your disdain for men? What I wrote is what works for me and what some of my male friends have found in their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 11:55 AM
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Yes, it works. A woman should take her time to vet and give sex to a man when she’s ready, but if she eventually and consistently gives him the best sex he’s ever had and more importantly, she is sweet and kind (not nagging or combative), she will keep him. As to the character of the man, that’s up to her to decide if he has what she wants in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 11:48 AM
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Well, what’s special about you? Not much. But the women that most men date are also not very special. What did she do? Put on $0.50 worth of lipstick, blush, and wash her hair? Maybe she wore that $25 Shein dress she got on Amazon? Women on dating apps only think they feel special because of simps throwing themselves at them. And maybe the one time that THAT guy pumped her and dumped her a few weeks later. It would go a long way if women actually admit this. Average women don’t deserve special t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 03:12 PM
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this "wall" men say we hit is a blessing in disguise Yes, I've heard the same from women. But usually because they're happily married with children and no longer need male attention. I would bet unmarried women still want male attention. It is the primary mechanism for obtaining desirable relationships. Women want men to initiate and pursue. That requires male attention. They use fertility as an excuse for their ulterior reasons. I agree with this, but it is a subliminal excuse. Fertile women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 04:36 PM
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if you approach it in the right way That’s the million dollar question. And the answer for men is to be attractive and confident without appearing needy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 07:45 PM
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She doesn’t spell out why she left the supposed good husband / good father. One can only speculate. But if women were to be honest when they leave good men, the reasons would likely be judged as shallow or selfish. But yes, mystery and keeping the women guessing as to what he will do next (in a good way), has a better chance of success, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 12:09 AM
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Esther Perel says women want mystery and security. A man can rarely maintain both. That video is more of a lesson to men that you have to keep things interesting and varied. It’s a lesson that women will rarely be happy with a man as he is. There has to be constant change or growth. And unfortunately, the men who keep things interesting are the bad boy borderline abusers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 06:04 PM
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So according to you, all men ONLY want sex, the attractive and the ugly? No. There are plenty of men that want loving relationships, which also include sex. Just like women want the whole package of a confident, respectful, accomplished man that is also tall and easy on her eyes, LOTS of men want the whole package, too, but women’s high standards make them invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 03:48 PM
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That is good to hear. Were those extremely positive experiences with men you didn’t find attractive? (One can hope)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 04:22 AM
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Who would I be surprised by? And what are those men actually saying and how are they actually behaving? Are you saying short ugly fat bald dudes want to fuck around but can’t? And they’re vocal about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 04:20 AM
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Easy. Women have high standards for the men they have a lot of sex with. Both things can be true at once.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 03:04 AM
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The manwhores are the chads. There are plenty of average dudes that want to settle down but don’t even get first dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 02:59 AM
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Isn’t “fat acceptance” exactly the same as “love yourself” ?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:55 PM
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What sub and what women? Are you posting pictures of hot celebrities or are you pointing to r/marriage engagement photos of happy women with rich short bald dudes?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:54 PM
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Maybe the men that worry about n-count just have to white-lie that they “didn’t feel a connection” and let the woman go. It’s all about tone and tact with women, right? /s
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:49 PM
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I’m actually surprised you believe in men that much. All my female friends and all the women I’ve dated have horror stories. They only have positive stories to tell after they’ve lowered their standards just enough and found a man that is more in touch with his emotions rather than just being tall and accomplished. And yes, plenty of men settle. That’s a universal truth. The issue is that women settle only after they’ve had their eureka moment about their true SMV. So your OP is technically corr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:27 PM
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Sure. And a certain type of manosphere man thinks women’s standards are too high and there are way more great/amazing men than there really are. Manosphere does not claim there are a lot of great/amazing men. On the complete contrary. They talk about how there are extremely few worthy men, and most women are trying to find one. To the point where the women would rather be single than take a lesser man, and continue playing the 1% lottery.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:16 PM
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You forgot to separate into two categories. High desirability for sex and high desirability for deep LTR. I believe the numbers would be completely opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 01:33 PM
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Nah. I get one match per month when I’m on dating apps, but I give that match a chance even if she’s 5/10. Which means that’s my rating as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 11:19 PM
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Maybe with a pill invention that greatly reduces male sexuality. Or another pill that makes women even more attracted to effeminate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:35 PM
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Non-monogamous roommates. That’s how we live better together. /s (kind of)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:53 PM
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That has the implication that women would be happy to fulfill a masculine role between 50% and 100% of the time. It doesn’t matter that they claim they’re already doing it, they don’t want to do it. I believe roles of dominance and submission are directly tied to sexuality. So you can’t just reassign them to men and women equally or liberally.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:49 PM
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I think it’s possible but only with a LOT of lack of attraction on BOTH sides. The female friends I have fall into 3 categories: 1. women I’ve dated that I rejected. We keep in touch to chat about our dating life via text or the odd coffee meetup once a year. Sometimes they reminisce about our brief dating period almost alluding to trying again. 2. women at work that appear attracted to me and flirt a bit more than others while admiring the quality of my work. But I never entertain it because it…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:42 PM
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You can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube, unwrinkle the sheet of paper, unscrew the pooch, put the cat back in the bag, etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:32 PM
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Because they’re not attracted to you. Or you don’t have valuable qualities for friendship (to them).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:21 PM
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Did you ask your friends why they call them gold diggers? Maybe the women started demanding more lavish experiences. It concerns me because these men are average looking at best and feel entitled to cuff a model level woman. However, once these women agreed to be with him, he accuses her of being a gold digger. But I call BS on your post because an average Joe isn’t going to get a “model level woman” to “be with him” without any sort of vetting. What did your friends do to “get” these women? But…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 06:08 AM
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Try making a profile with your most average male friend’s pictures. Make the text blurb the best you think a woman would respond to, then come back when you’ve amassed a whopping 3 matches in a month from desperate unfortunate looking women, 10 matches of OF/scam profiles, and one accidental right swipe from a normal looking woman who promptly unmatches because, “oh sorry, it was a mistake.” For the average guy in OLD, you don’t even get the chance to get to the luxurious ick phase of the first …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 05:34 AM
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Ah, that’s unfortunate but understood.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 05:25 AM
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I agree. But the box you painted is richly decorated and welcoming. Not a cardboard box in a dank narrow alleyway :-)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 05:22 AM
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I really like your definition of real woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 05:07 AM
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A “real woman” yes but not “a real man does XYZ” as OP stated (quoted below). That’s why I asked if she meant, “an alpha man does XYZ”. A subtle but distinct difference. “A real man does X,Y,Z” (any time I hear the phrase “a real man”, I wonder why these people never say “a real woman”)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 04:41 AM
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Agreed, even though your post is basically “don’t use water if you don’t want to get wet.” After one lackluster marriage under my belt, marriage is a bad investment, unless you’re desperate for kids and have money to burn. I tried the trusting leap-of-faith, combine all finances blindly type of marriage and now I’m shuffling kids back and forth and still locked to an incompatible person for life. Fighting about who’s going to pay for college, cars, insurance, clothes, food, etc. If you need 1200…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 01:41 AM
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I thought it was mostly women complaining that they filed for divorce because their guy was great at first but then became lazy (read: stayed the same / didn’t grow) We don’t have crystal balls to ask if divorce is in our future.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 01:23 AM
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Interesting take. I’m trying to see that as a good faith argument. Sounds like you’re speaking from experience of a woman that did not want to feel dumber. IME, women do like to be right, but they do want to the man to show them new things in a non-patronizing, non-condescending way. And women love an intelligent guy that can put other men in their place intellectually, or intelligence that brings financial success. But you may be right that it doesn’t necessarily apply to the relationship betwe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 01:16 AM
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“If you care about n-counts you’re insecure.” Women say this to downplay any promiscuous past. Not men. Non-religious women don’t care about men’s n-counts nearly as much if at all. “I am not like other men, I am a romantic/nice guy”. Men who say that have self-screened to go straight to the friend zone. Women want men to be implicitly romantic— knowing and acting on her preferred flavor of romance without saying a word. Most men are pigs/perverts True, but women and dads with daughters say this…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 12:35 AM
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That’s what I’m asking you. What do you consider “random” that doesn’t involve protecting pre-marriage assets? You make it sound like this hypothetical man is unreasonable. What is an example of an unreasonable prenup?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 07:17 PM
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What is an example of a “random prenup” ? What would you not sign?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 06:49 PM
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Women in general operate on 4 pillars of attraction: height/face, intelligence (book/street/emotional), financial status, and humor. The men in your social group should maximize at least two pillars to have a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 03:08 AM
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I’m all for the male double standard of being the well-connected sole provider. But raising some low-value man’s child and condoning women’s promiscuous mistakes are definitely not high-value traits. Even if men are natural rescuers of the fragile.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 03:02 AM
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This is the proper analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:30 PM
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Yep. Sex is a powerful drug.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:30 PM
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Ha. Except for the first one, I read that list with the voice of an ex. I would bet those phrases are uttered more by women than men. And I could add a dozen more where the woman thinks something needs to be done in a certain way and/or imminently.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:28 PM
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A steadfast man with a backbone would leave a nagging wife and find a willing sex partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:24 PM
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Women love mansplaining that comes from an attractive man. They interpret it as, “he’s so smart. He’s teaching me something.” Manspreading is a biological need to avoid nut crushing. Unless there’s a pregnant woman on a train, a guy spreading his legs to let the boys breathe doesn’t affect women. Manipulation comes from the Latin for “manus” which implies a task that uses your hands. Nothing to do with being male. Nag has two meanings: irritate/harass and an old (female) horse. I believe that ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:20 PM
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There is a not-so-subtle distinction between willing, respectful submission and a “happy wife, happy life simp”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:12 PM
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Are you a certain male red pill podcast host in disguise? Everything fits RP except “6. Should date single moms.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 06:57 PM
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I heavily favour the “friends before” because it feels more easy-going. This is when men find themselves in the friend-zone more often. Hoping for a woman to choose him among all of her orbiter “friends”. It also legitimizes men seeking a relationship via friendship which many women see as an ulterior motive, especially once she’s determined he’s not worthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 05:19 PM
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That’s probably a very sturdy limb.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 12:47 PM
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I’ve witnessed the same. So do you agree with the OP that men should at least seek that version of pick me ?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 12:46 PM
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Most everyone has responded with the opposite view, but I’ll give you a positive take. The failure rate may be the same, but I’d rather be in a relationship where my partner wants to show us off versus one that posts only solo/selfie(ish) content.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 12:37 PM
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At work and the platonic: no cover judgement. In seeking relationships: all covers judged.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 12:32 PM
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Yes, thanks for the honesty. Maybe some women will reflect on this when men categorize certain women’s traits/behaviors as un-feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 12:10 PM
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So why do you find it unappealing?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 11:57 PM
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the point of having sex is have your partner do stuff to you, it’s not masturbation with an audience. So the man should just lay there and have the woman do all the work? Or only the woman gets that luxury? So what is it? Women do nothing to reach an orgasm or they are multiorgasmic? you are contradicting yourself. Two things can be true at once. Multi-orgasmic women exist and can also expect the man to do all the work. Multiorgasmic women is are a minority. I’ve found articles that state most w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:47 PM
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Nice. Lucky man to have a partner that shops for toys to improve their pleasure. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:24 PM
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Many women claim they can give themselves orgasms in 30 seconds when they’re alone. They should do the same thing whenever they’re having PiV with a man. The men I know IRL don’t care about women using vibrators. I don’t care, either. A lot of women claim they’re multi-orgasmic. Heck, give yourself 3 or 4 orgasms with your favorite toy during PiV, that’s an amazing superpower that men should be jealous of. Personally, I prefer to delay my own orgasm as long as possible, so that the woman gets he…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:20 PM
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A woman only “always wants” a relationship after sex with a man that she deems more attractive or a lot more successful than her. You are correct in that sense. For other average beta men, she’ll use sex to lure a relationship from him, and then gatekeep the sex. When she’s ready to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:13 PM
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Cool, I am a woman and have heard it directly out of the mouth of men. Doubt. What’s a verbatim example of how a man has shamed a woman’s labia? The only one that I can think of is “roast beef” but only in the context of how hot it is and how much of a mouthful it was. The men I know talk about labia but only positively and how much variety there is out there. You must also not know of the hundreds of subreddits on here specifically for different types of labia.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:00 PM
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Smell is a temporary hygiene problem. Women smell and taste heavenly when it’s clean. Men don’t complain about women being loose. It still feels great to us. I’ve only seen that as an attempt from men to reverse small-dick shaming, but it never works. Women claim that vagina always gets tight even after having kids. I don’t even know if there’s any research about sexual non-medical vaginal tightness. Doesn’t sound PC enough to study. And not once have I heard a man shame a woman for how she look…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:49 PM
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Why the “lol” ? That’s actually solid advice. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:39 PM
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In the world where average men have to get into relationships in order to have sex. Likely with 3s and 4s because average women believe they deserve 8s. Only attractive men gatekeep relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:38 PM
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women have to come from what their partner is doing to them Where does this idea come from? Women claim they can orgasm in 30 seconds when they’re alone, but during partnered sex something has to be done to them and they can’t help themselves in any way? Or at least communicate what they want? The best orgasm I’ve witnessed a woman have is when she masturbated during our intercourse while making out at the same time. I didn’t even cum, I just pulled out and she squirted one long stream.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:30 PM
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So it’s biology that the woman should do nothing to help achieve her own orgasm during sex with a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:15 PM
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Yep. I will coin them a new term, “power victim”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:06 PM
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That’s a good solution. But many women feel obligated to stay for the duration to be cordial and not create any angry backlash from a virtually strange man. (I’ve seen posts about that). And that disinterested failed date will be full of nods and awkward silences and no questions from the person that is not attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 11:08 PM
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I hear ya. A 3-4 point jump is a big leap. Unfortunately, a 5/10 with money will bring abundance of 3s to 6s without a lot of effort. Since even average women think they deserve 8s. So you may be right.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 10:14 PM
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Well, my bf asked me plenty of questions on our first dates beyond “and you” while also telling me about himself. It’s good that your bf did that. Maybe you’re really attractive to him, and he wanted to make sure you felt appreciated. it’s fairly easy to identify if someone wants to get to know you regardless of how attractive they are. In general, I don’t think you can separate attraction from effort. We naturally put in more effort when the person across from us is attractive. Even if it’s not…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 04:09 PM
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This. It also happens with genders swapped. An attractive woman displaying her beautiful smile counts for about 3 or 4 questions that she doesn’t need to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 03:45 PM
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You sure it’s not the other way around? That the attractive guys appear more engaged because they’re attractive. Even if all they contributed was, “and you?”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 03:31 PM
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For sure. Height and facial structure will open more doors for higher leagues. It’s not easy-mode without the face, but you should be killing it within your physical league if you have money, height, and confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 12:55 PM
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I know what you’re saying. Yes, men should carry an equal load when taking care of young kids. That will help the majority of typical relationships with low-libido stressed women. But there are still women who use sex as stress relief regardless of what’s going on in their (daily) life. Maybe they have more testosterone than the average woman or some other hormonal “path”, as you call it. I have met women that are far hornier than others and have to beg their male partner for sex. It is not univ…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 11:57 PM
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I didn’t say jump ship. I meant to find a woman from the start who uses sex as stress relief. Women who have sex to distress can only do that when they feel supported by you. It is common that women need emotional support and being unburdened by their male partner. But it’s not universal. I was referring to women that don’t need that. There are women who don’t require an emotional safe haven to have sex. Just like there are men who need more than a naked woman to want sex. They are rare but exis…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 11:17 PM
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I didn’t say jump ship. I meant to find a woman from the start who uses sex as stress relief. Women who have sex to distress can only do that when they feel supported by you. It is common that women need emotional support and being unburdened by their male partner. But it’s not universal. I was referring to women that don’t need that. There are women who don’t require an emotional safe haven to have sex. Just like there are men who need more than a naked woman to want sex. They are rare but exis…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 11:17 PM
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There’s some truth to that. Unless you made all your money and became a recluse. How tall are you, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 02:56 PM
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Paying for date Be tall Success
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 02:44 AM
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Sounds like good boundary setting. Though, the wife not detecting that on her own goes hand in hand with the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 02:59 PM
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The equivalent is attention and commitment from a tall well-off man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 01:53 PM
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Cillian Murphy at 5ft7 Sure, where every million in the bank and Oscar-winning film implicitly adds 1 inch of height to the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 01:22 PM
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Everything you say rings true as the state of the union. But I like how, in the relationships where the typical low-libido stressed woman is rightfully holding back, that the compromise is for the man who needs “regular sex” is to accept “seldom sex” and focus on other things. Compromise is a two-way street. What is the woman compromising in that situation? But for others sex is very integral to their feelings of intimacy Yes, which implies there exist women who use sex as stress relief. So the …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 12:45 PM
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“Just get taller and chiseled, bro”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 12:06 PM
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It’s fine. It’s fair to use. Just not much of an argument. It needs more substance. E.g. how can you possible know how to pick non-cheaters? Men usually pick based on attraction and any woman that actually responds. Where’s the tell? (I know of one after 8 years of dating. Can you guess what it is?) Women pick based on height, confidence (typically exhibited by arrogant men), and credentials/accomplishments. It seems like there are more clues for women, but they can’t seem to look away from tall…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 02:21 AM
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Ah, the classic, “you’re picking wrong”. Because it’s easy to filter for liars and cheaters in the dating world. lol. Also at least it’s not the same as with men. You can’t completely trust them, even in a relationship. That’s fine, women don’t have to trust men. It was my point. You can’t trust anyone in modern dating. Especially after a certain age. All of this is still “getting red-pilled”. Waking up to the reality that no one is a saint.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 02:11 AM
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Really? Women have all sorts of standards, red flags, prerequisites, and icks for any man’s past behavior and present consequences: * Recovering alcoholic, no. * Comes with 100K of debt, no. * Has no savings, no. * Has no degree, no. * Still lives with parents, no. * Overweight, no. * Never learned how to dress, no. * Never learned a sense of style, no. * Never went to therapy, no. * Never learned how to be interesting (not boring), no. ^ all of which are based on bad past decisions. It seems yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 02:06 AM
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It’s objectively not true You can’t ever be certain of that. Even one anecdote can contradict your categorical assertion. I was a one-woman married man for 18 years, love being a dad, going on family trips, etc. She met a married coworker on a work trip, spent a year cheating, then felt remorse and confessed. After the divorce, I began dating and I would ask every woman if they’ve ever cheated. 100% of them said yes, but supposedly wouldn’t do it again. Painting it as “growth.” From then on I wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 01:47 AM
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makes the necessary changes, and is never betrayed again What are some of the necessary changes to prevent getting betrayed again?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 01:30 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 10:04 PM
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See, even now you can’t say OPs views are shallow without immediately pairing it Dang, lady. Take my response at face value. OP's views are shallow. But this is a gender debate forum. We inject our experiences and views from other sides as well. "untraumatized youth” (ugh, that is a terrible way to phrase that, buddy!) Why are you so bothered by that? Is it because you know that people become bitter as they get older? Are you jaded from past experiences? Women should also want men who are more o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 11:04 PM
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I already stated that OP's views are shallow. Just like women's view of preferring tall men who are successful in status or money. When women state those as preferences, no one bats an eye. But when men say that untraumatized youth is preferred, then women go crazy. That it’s ok to be completely self centered and not regard your partner as a full human No, it's not ok. That 's why I said in my first response to you to tell the same to women. I've experienced many shallow women on the internet an…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 10:19 PM
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I get that the tik tok ladies are very distracting It's not distracting, just eye-opening. They out themselves all over the internet. Not sure why they're so proud of laughing about a short or broke man. and you really want to turn this into a competition about who’s more shallow I didn't say it was a competition. I even stated that both genders have shallow preferences. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth? do you think that those are normal views to hold? I'm not sure what is normal any…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:48 PM
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Yes. It’s shitty to vocalize shallow preferences. But a lot of people do have them. Both genders. I don’t feel like searching PPD at the moment. I’ll make sure to tag you on ones I find more recently. In the meantime, here’s a TikTok someone sent me promoting the desires of our wonderful young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:15 PM
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Tell that to women who filter first on height, status, money, hair, muscles, facial symmetry.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 08:35 PM
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You’re describing a different time. Not a country. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 08:26 PM
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So the CMV in the title and the sarcasm couldn't penetrate your thick skull? My apologies for the thick headedness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 12:03 AM
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If a man doesn't have anyone to provide for, say a break up. Does he lose masculinity. He does not. Is this a "tree falls in the forest" analogy? Those traits I mentioned are desires and tendencies backed by past, present, and future actions. A masculine person is driven and ambitious. Just because they don't have the outlet to do so, doesn't mean they lose it. They would lose it if they willingly change their behavior along the masc/fem spectrum. I'm sure you can point to your friends/family an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:44 PM
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Right. You brought up the topic that your definition is the only one and everyone should be happy with it. You didn't ask for everyone else's definition. That may have made a more interesting OP. But if you really want it, my short definition is that masculinity and femininity are two ends of a spectrum. Where masculinity is physical strength of a driven provider, and femininity is emotional strength of a nurturing supporter. Both are socially constructed sets of behaviors and are not solely att…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:20 PM
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I would believe the anecdotes of women that claim they want egalitarian dynamics when they start approaching men, asking them out, and paying for most first dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 12:28 PM
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Yes, that’s likely what the OP meant. Ask for = Expect from a man. Not begging a man weekly to be dominant because he’s failing at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 12:24 PM
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That’s a lazy definition. It’s like someone asked you to write a research paper in college asking how monkeys behave in the wild, you filled out the minimum word count with random junk, and wrote the conclusion as, “monkeys behave like monkeys behave.”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 12:19 PM
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So women who are desperate for male validation. That's all women. Take away male validation from any woman and she'll become sad, depressed, or at the very least confused as to why the world is suddenly mistreating her. This happens with women who were hot at 25 but don't understand why they gradually become invisible by 45. Followed by a lot of coping that they actually enjoy the lack of male attention. And most women arent going around saying they want bad boys and assholes, yet that’s the cla…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:15 PM
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Did you tell him about the bad breath??
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 04:09 AM
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Skin tags is pretty shallow. But bad breath can be a sign of poor hygiene or lack of personal care. That one is understandable. I once passed on a woman who chewed with her mouth open during the dinner date. But she had other quirks, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:03 AM
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Again. Men don’t focus on or want dysfunctional women. They really want normal women who are interested in sex with them and who actually need the man. There is no opposite claim from men. No one on here is rambling about wanting dysfunctional women except you. Again. Normal women are not ignored. On the contrary, normal women ignore most men and instead go for bad men until they get too old and have to settle, or choose to remain alone with some furry pets.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 02:23 AM
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I don’t get what you’re trying to prove. Men want sex from normal feminine women (who don’t nag them) and women want attention from tall bad boy masculine men (who are nice). Water is wet? If neither side can get what they want, they complain. But it has nothing to do with wanting dysfunction.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:59 AM
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Guys, you have more in common with those women than you think. There is no “those women”. It’s most women who want men who have the potential to be dangerous but know how to control their masculinity. You basically agreed with all my theories. No. I only agreed with your 4th point. You have a knack for trying to manipulate people’s response to fit your delusional narrative. In the end. Men are driven by sexual desire which makes women the gatekeepers of sex and relationships. Almost all dynamics…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:44 AM
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No. You’re trying to shift the blame as if men and women behave equally in the dating market. Men have their faults but women are surely attracted to bad boy qualities in the hopes of changing the man. As to your theories: 1. Men don’t get to choose. They shoot their shot at most women and get rejected. Men are mad that most women don’t want them, regardless of the woman’s mental health or her life choices. 2. All women are desperate for male attention at one or more points in their lifetime. 3.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:10 AM
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From the start of the OP or in general? I date single moms because I’m a single dad. I’m trying not to be a hypocrite. But I see more and more evidence to dissuade me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:17 PM
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Wow. When they say women are not attracted to most of men, I didn’t consider it would extend to men who raised them. But he’s exactly the type of guy that women in their prime wouldn’t date. You keep referring to other women but it sounds like it’s you who’s judging your stepdad as undatable, the man who sacrificed having his own blood legacy for you and your mom. What did he do to deserve this after-the-fact left swipe? Did your mom confide in you that she’s not attracted to him and settled? Ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:26 PM
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Stop the boohoo whining and crying and grow up. This is why men shouldn’t take advice from women. Depending on what’s most beneficial, half the women ask men to stop crying and grow up, and the other half tell them to be more vulnerable and emotionally open. (A few comments up). Can’t make this stuff up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:31 AM
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This sub is fine. It is a perfect mix of men enviously complaining about the easy life of women and women complaining back that it’s not. I much prefer it to the circle jerking of RP subs or the circle jilling of TwoX/FDS-style subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:18 AM
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Sure. Those are dealbreakers in the midst of a relationship. Both genders can experience neglectful/irresponsible behavior. But I believe by the mention of “losing interest” the OP is referring to early dating. Do you have any examples of early dating flags that women think are big but men think are small?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:01 AM
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Women defend men here all the time, you downvote them, and accuse them of lying If by “you” you mean women, then yes. It sounds like you speak from experience. In what situation have you defended a man and get downvoted (or accused) by men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:29 AM
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That’s a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:16 AM
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It is exactly that, “where have all the good women gone that give a guy a decent shot?” Maybe there’s some truth to it because women are inundated with choices and think there’s someone better around the corner. So anything can become an “ick”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:34 PM
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That’s an easy answer. The question then becomes, what is the percentage of dysfunctional women? Because this ick behavior happens a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:27 PM
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Out of curiosity. What was it that felt significant enough to reject him?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:11 PM
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What are some examples of men instantly dropping women over minor issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:05 PM
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What are some examples of issues men think are small that women think are big?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:59 PM
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Because women (and men) put in more enthusiastic effort when they sleep with someone more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 04:12 PM
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it doesn’t tell you anything useful without other information, such as height True. So add both height and weight and let the person decide. A man may want to date a 5’9” woman that weighs 180lbs but maybe not a 5’0” woman that weighs 180lbs. I’m sure women would also appreciate knowing that if a man is on the shorter side, whether he’s rail thin or stocky. Regardless, screening people based on numbers is ridiculous to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 07:40 PM
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And 119 pounds vs 120 is a very dumb way to try and judge someone's fitness. And 5’8” vs 5’9” is also a very dumb way to try and judge attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 07:34 PM
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It’s possible that their 8 is a 3 to you. Some women expect men’s emotions to be at their level. Or it’s possible that they weren’t enjoying themselves in your company. How many men are we talking about? Were you with them long enough to see their behavior around friends and family?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 07:22 PM
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Not sure why the men you picked don’t express joy or emotion. You should be able to figure that out on your own, or ask them. Are you still friends with your exes? I express overtly positive emotions when I’m really attracted to the woman, and when she does generous things like rub my neck, compliment me, or text me out of the blue that she’s thinking about me. I also express positive emotions when enjoying external things like hobbies, good shows and movies, great food, sharing family time, etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 01:25 AM
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Both men and women are dumb. Man sees attractive bucket of red flags but doesn’t care, he just wants to have sex with it. Woman sees attractive bucket of red flags but doesn’t care, she thinks she can reform the bucket and take out the flags. Not sure which is worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 12:14 AM
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They want to pay because women require it. Otherwise, their chances of a second date are greatly reduced. It still doesn’t mean that the double standard is right. Real progress would be women asking men out and paying for first dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:48 AM
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Preach
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:31 AM
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Definitely. Which I believe is the point of the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:29 AM
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I agree 100%. But there are women subs, TikToks, IG posts filled with women complaining, “I ain’t going on no low-effort coffee date!” or “if he asks me on a coffee date, there won’t ever be a second date!”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:23 AM
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I knew it had to be somewhere! I’d be up for that. And abolish tips altogether and have restaurants pay the wait staff properly (though that’s a whole different topic). Dating would actually be about learning about the person and not break the bank over a year’s worth of failed first dates. Hmm. So how would a woman vet a man for provider-ship? Maybe she has to go see his car. It is definitely a game changer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:13 AM
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I hear ya. And of course, it’s easier for wealthy friends and coworkers just to throw the card on the table and say, “don’t worry about it!” As a man, it does feel intuitively icky to ask to split with a date and even sometimes among friends. There just has to be a different way in this modern day. What if there were new technology where you press your thumb on the menu and your selection is automatically added to your bill. At the end of the meal, you just leave and the items are charged to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:00 AM
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I understand that it’s easier to do 50/50 or even easier to have the man pay. So what do you do when you go to lunch with 2 or 3 coworkers? Do you split 33% or 25%? Do you take turns paying the entire bill? In my neck of the woods, we each pay for our own lunches. It’s just odd that rules are different for dates, besides the old school traditional “I want the man to show that he can provide.”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:41 AM
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It doesn’t matter how common it is. The reality is that most first dates don’t go anywhere. And women expect men to initiate all first dates. I’m sure you’ve heard women say, “whoever asks, pays,” which is rather convenient. Essentially, a man will be out a lot of money over a year’s worth of dating, where maybe he has a small chance for a few second dates, that he probably has to pay for as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:30 AM
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Splitting does not mean 50%. But good on you for at least offering most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:18 AM
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You’re right! Going to try that next time. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 12:13 PM
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Can “x” be replaced with “ass”? /s
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 12:10 PM
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Based.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 12:06 AM
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Yes, I would. Natural hair on some women can be sexy. I dated one for a few months. However, she was mostly into women. Only dates men for short term.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:23 PM
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Yes. Why not? I prefer a lower maintenance woman. My regimen: Shave face, trim pubes, clip nails/toenails, floss, brush teeth, face soap, shower, wash hair, wash feet, wash ass, wash genitals. As for what she would "go beyond", perhaps some body lotion, shave legs, blow-dry hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:04 PM
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You can tell when they seek you out. Man or woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 03:19 PM
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For a man, it means be emotionally supportive of women 100% of the time, and only show your own emotions when it’s something significant or not easily solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 01:14 AM
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Because she’s tried every type of man, according to her. So now the only options are: 1. She has high standards. 2. She’s unlikeable. 3. She’s unattractive. 4. All men are trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 12:31 PM
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I am a single woman and quite frankly terrified of dating. I haven't dated in over a year because quite frankly I don't really trust men anymore. What exactly is it that you’re afraid of? What caused you not to trust men? That may help answer your own question. I've dated shy men, outgoing men, sensitive men, nerdy men, jockey men, rich men, poor men, etc . So you’ve tried nearly every flavor of man and you still can’t find an adequate compatible guy? Is this just another, “all men are trash” po…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 03:05 AM
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Because all men are trash, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:07 AM
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I don’t think finding your looks-match is strictly blue pilled. Did you win over your wife by beating out better looking men with blue pill techniques? If so, red pill men should hear your advice. An example from gender studies courses would be great.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 12:26 AM
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Anything I see as wrong but he doesn’t. Right. Do you have an example of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:00 PM
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I agree that it’s generally a bad policy to lie. However, someone revealing that they engaged in an activity that you don’t approve of is going to always be in the back of your mind. For example, I’ve dated women that told me they cheated on their husbands and claim they would never do it again. They don’t really sound remorseful, just matter-of-fact, “it was stupid and blew up my life”, but in the back of my mind, I will always wonder if they will cheat again when something goes wrong in the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 07:47 PM
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I don’t have a preference for breasts size. I bet your “mommy milker” friend wouldn’t reject a flat chested woman, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 07:12 PM
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If a person grew out of the hoe phase, he or she nonetheless cannot change it. If a woman truly out grew her hoe phase, she can lie and opt to never mention it to a new partner. A man can’t lie about his height once you meet him in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 06:59 PM
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She’s so tall, she didn’t even see your reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 06:52 PM
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Flat-chested women may be made fun of in middle school but they’ll never lack the ability to get a partner. Unlike a short man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 06:46 PM
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That works but only with a woman significantly below the guy’s league.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 11:09 PM
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Most women on here claim they would never date an unattractive “Bob”. So the perpetual Tinder women must be hopping from attractive guy to attractive guy that doesn’t commit to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 07:32 PM
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Rare woman 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 12:28 PM
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to put it simply, a guy who uses sex work probably does not care much about consent Therein lies the paradox. Women are willing to be intimate with men who don’t care about consent, which is supposedly one of the highest regarded requirements for any interaction with a man. The fact that women are willing to forgo consent for money is very lowly (for both parties).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:44 AM
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Have you always been icked? Did you have a hoe phase?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:37 AM
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There will always be simps.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:35 AM
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Women don’t generally support broke men. They don’t even begin dating them. If the man was on her level at first then loses his job or business, the woman will leave. The rare woman who ends up supporting a broke guy must be because he’s hot, young, or amazingly charming. Then it’s on the woman for choosing to stay with him. What’s wrong with that? Why not let the cougars pay for the cubs? To answer your title question. I would leave. It’s easy to tell when a woman is faking attraction. Pussy is…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 01:48 AM
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all the sexual interest women get from men below their league is worth nothing. Half true. The missing info is that women believe their “league” is way above their actual worth for a committed relationship. Just like men, women are only as good as their options.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 12:17 PM
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Your first paragraph is basically true. Though I’m not sure if 70% of western women are fat. (CDC says it’s between 40% and 43%) But even if that were accurate, 100% of women (fat and thin) have much higher expectations since they believe they’re entitled to an accomplished, ambitious, generous, kind man. And the number of fat women that demand a fit guy is much higher than a fat man demanding a fit woman. So no, it’s still women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 02:23 AM
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You get the chance to reduce your probability of being ghosted by 2%.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 02:12 AM
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Ha. Can you imagine if you had to pay $50 - $100 every time you felt like opening a door for a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 02:10 AM
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No one teaches boys and men how female arousal works. They discover it through trial and error. That’s what the red pill is for now.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:02 PM
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So you'd accept a 31yo non-balding man that's an inch taller and makes $27K more? Sounds like more, "I want better." This guy is in his mid-30s and looks pretty average to me. Is this guy ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 01:11 PM
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I seriously wish I could help you out that. More women need to do that experiment to see how bad it is out there for men. Better photos do help, but the issue is that it boils down to height and facial structure to get your foot in the door. At least on the mainstream apps. It’s a whole different (better) ballgame for quirky LGBT people dating. Google “average man stock photos” and see if you think women would date them. Like this guy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 12:49 PM
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I clearly stated that a 5/10 man is invisible. You should try making a dating profile of an average looking man and attempt to get a match. I’ll wait to hear a report of your 1 match per month that goes nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 12:38 PM
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Not at all 😂 You just don’t understand the difficulty men have in dating without putting in a lot of effort to become above average. Which is basically what your post is saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 12:33 PM
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Note that this post only applies to men with a physical attractiveness at a 5/10 and above, which is what most men are. So you begin your post with female entitlement. Women discard 50% of the male population first, then apply their standards. The crux of the matter is that women won’t accept a 5/10 man as-is. He has to always do better. Would you take a balding 5’8” guy that makes $50K, has student loans, and is skinny-fat? I bet not. Men’s attraction to women operates on bell curve centered ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 12:29 PM
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I mean like men can earn money or have a charming personality and be considered worthy while women will always be considered unworthy unless they are physically attractive Worthy of what? Opposite sex romantic interest? I know an unattractive woman in her 40s who is very successful in her career. ($250K yearly). She’s ultra respected in her industry and by her peers. She has articles written about her in her local city on how good she is in her business. But she’s a mess when it comes to men. Sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 01:18 AM
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So you’re saying pretty women want to keep their pretty privilege? No kidding.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 01:07 AM
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I’ve seen female competition at my workplace but only over the tallest, most charismatic men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 08:48 PM
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Rare. And almost always over a mediocre musty man. Interesting choice of adjective for a man. 😂 mus·ty /ˈməstē/ - adjective - having a stale, moldy, or damp smell.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 08:47 PM
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Sounds about right. And for math nerds, as the woman’s age and weight approaches 18/120, the number of matches and hookup offers goes to infinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 07:10 PM
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You don’t have to be single to have rack up bodies. A lot of women are serial monogamists. Relationships with attempt at relationships in between.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 01:07 AM
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This is what I was just about to post.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 01:04 AM
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If you can’t get out of preschool talk of “small, medium, big”, let’s switch to percentiles. Women don’t want a 7’ colossal freak but they do want someone that stands out. For example, they’d want men who are 6’. Those men are in the 82nd percentile. 6’ tall is not “medium”. And if everything else could be measured objectively, women would also want well above average in most other aspects. They want a man who is confident but not cocky, emotional but not a cry-baby, a high earner but not a work…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 11:18 AM
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That’s right. Fewer and fewer women are setting for BB. They rather stay single in continue searching for an AF that wants to commit. That’s going to be tough but they claim they have the time and the self control to not need interim companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 11:26 AM
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Correct. Women don’t want extremes, but most want well above average in multiple dimensions. OC’s point still stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 11:21 AM
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It’s a fact that when woman reach 30’s the hormones and testosterone kicks in and makes woman more horny and want kids So there is a biological clock at around 30 or is it still invented by men? Pick one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 11:11 AM
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Yeah. I brought up height because you qualified all three guys with their height. I feel more feminine and dainty being with a bigger guy who’s tall so it definitely helped with my insecurities. I actually think it’s OK for a woman to be insecure in a relationship. I believe a man is meant to provide and reassure his partner. And I believe relationships work best when a man needs a woman for nurturing and a woman needs a man to provide for her. Any other type of arrangement, and it becomes a fre…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 12:32 PM
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The concept that a woman overlooks a man’s looks for his personality is something they talk about a lot. It sounds nice in theory. If it were true, there would be more men in relationships, and no need for complaints or even this debate sub. But in this case, you don’t really mention his personality. It’s simply his generosity and his height. This is the classic overlooking looks for money. Maybe you implied enjoying his intelligence since he’s in IT, but that’s typically an introverted geeky kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 11:46 AM
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men underestimate how generosity can have an impact on their dating life No. Men don’t underestimate the need to be a provider. That’s the second requirement most women want. A woman always wants an equal or higher earner. Classic hypergamy. A stingy cheapskate gives women the ick very quickly. Guy 3: tall And that’s the first requirement women want. It doesn’t really matter that he’s balding or obese, unless the woman is a fitness nut. A teddy bear provider is preferred over a skinny, short, lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 11:18 AM
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fat is feminine 100%
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 09:42 PM
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I agree. That’s a very anti-woke transphobic analysis which would get a vocal influencer cancelled. Some conservatives are attacking from that angle, but I believe RP is mostly steering clear. Men wanting to be women to gain privileges and advantages, or gain access to the very women they desire, is not an effective RP strategy that I’ve seen touted.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 01:00 PM
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A man women want who is genuine with his intentions and actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 11:11 PM
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There are overlaps but I think it’s you mixing the two camps. For example, RP doesn’t address religion or transgenderism. RP is strictly about learning the nature of women, hypergamy, and for the man to adjust the best way possible for him. Most other things you mention are conservative asshole traits, or grifters going for clickbait. Breaking down your points: * Conservative: 2, 3 (religion), 6, 7, 9, 10 * Redpill: 1, 3 (body count), 9 * Justpearlythings: 4, 5 * Unknown: 8 (never read this, sou…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 10:56 PM
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Exactly. No, “horny” does not compare to helping people and animals. I know the comparison seems shallow. But the fundamental release of energy is comparable. Empathy is something that most women enjoy naturally that no one ever takes it away. There are many ways to release that energy without paying for it. Men don’t have that luxury when it comes to sex. They’re ignored or relegated to paying hundreds to get it from a sex worker in disconnected and indifferent ways. Anyway. Thanks for your com…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 01:47 PM
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Alone or perpetually dumped within 6-8 months.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 01:15 AM
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I don’t care about n-count much but I have a revenge fantasy for women who have cheated in the past. They need to be put in their place.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 01:02 AM
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Yeah. Everyone lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 12:59 AM
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Because, yet again, men and women are different. It’s hard for women to fathom how men need sex, not to live but as a biological urge. You try suppressing your emotional reactions. Try being less empathetic towards someone who is crying or needs your support. When a puppy is yelping, don’t go to them. When your best friend is hurting, try not to feel for them. Tell them to suck it up. And when you feel down, don’t go to your mom or your sisters. Just eat it. Maybe that will give you a sense for …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 12:47 AM
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And there are too many women that mistake a guy being polite to them as a creeper that only wants sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:41 PM
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That’s interesting that a 5’7” woman would be more desirable. Is that your implication? Some of the most demanding women I’ve met have been super short.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 12:17 PM
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for the average man it would be more beneficial and he would be more successful if he approaches women which are not only appealing to him physically but with whom he can have an enjoyable conversation and time. It would be a lot easier to break the ice if you have something in common with the other person and be able to bond with them. After your edit, I will add: men don’t have the luxury of adding more requirements like women do. It’s difficult enough to secure any sort of interest from women…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:06 AM
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I agree for the most part. I’ve dated women who say they swipe left on attractive men because they know they can’t keep them. (which was an interesting jab towards me.) I think that mostly stems from insecurity. But I’ve also met confident women who refuse to “stoop” to short (<5’11”) men who don’t have their money in place. I have one female friend who is approaching her late 40s. She’s small (5’2”), but obviously aging. She will not budge on her demand for a top tier guy, in height, fitness, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:00 AM
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Of course! I meant it as a compliment. Cheers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 01:51 AM
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Men who aren’t particularly successful with women, will certainly be grateful with the women they can get. They are not picky. They can’t afford to be. Men know their value in the sexual market. That doesn’t mean they settle. There is some great sex to be had out there with below-to-average looking women. Sexually successful men are also typically the ones a majority of women are attracted to. Women, otoh, always shoot for the top (as you say above) and end up having to settle when they discover…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 12:37 AM
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sexual comparability absolutely means matching personalities That’s a very female mentality. Sexual attraction IS compatibility for men. Men don’t need to feel safe, secure, or compatible to be turned on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 12:04 AM
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Men don’t operate that way. Men who are not successful with women can barely get sex, so they’ll take anyone they can get. Men who are successful with women and want a relationship will have the pick of the litter. They will check for sexual compatibility first, then stay with whoever has a great personality. Those men don’t have to wait for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 11:34 PM
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Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 08:20 PM
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First. There is no disaster. Second. What would women do without that sweet sweet male attention? They’d probable become even more depressed. And if you say, “I don’t want the attention!” Then just stay away from men. I’ve encountered many women that cry and get sad when they’re not given compliments and praise. Take it away in that would be the disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:40 AM
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Men consider more women attractive than women consider men attractive. It’s not even a comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:59 PM
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It’s not the same. Can you imagine if a man wined and dined an annoying masculine bitchy woman as soon as he met her, gave her flowers, sent her cards, supported her emotional needs, pillow talked about future plans of building a family, then ghosted her a couple weeks later. But with you, a marriage minded, wifey material woman, who wants a real relationship, and can actually make him happy… he would slowly give you signs of commitment and romantic gestures, making you work for and wait 6 to 8 …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:53 AM
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Those two are typically the most listed phobias of bi-sexual men. Bi men are automatically cheaters and gross for touching a penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 02:06 AM
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If you don’t have the height, then you have to put some form of credential that will attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 08:54 PM
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Then those women should enjoy being pumped and dumped without complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 07:49 PM
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Which is the meaning of providing you shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 07:47 PM
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Because she thinks he’s attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 03:00 PM
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He was 100% creepy AF. And she was 0% experienced in dealing with strangers. Classic predator vs prey.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 02:36 PM
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Definitely. Maintaining a large social circle is a lot of work and often a good bit of drama. It’s not for everyone, and it shouldn’t necessarily be the path to finding a good partnership.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:53 AM
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Of course, cultivating bonds is a good thing. By all means, improve. But people can’t handwave away the difficulties that both men and women have in dating regardless of the size of their non-romantic social circles. My aversion is the “just don’t complain” attitude when unfairness or mistreatment exists. When women complain about men pumping and dumping them or not able to keep a relationship because they’re overweight, social media comforts them and even praises them. But for men, it’s just “d…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:39 AM
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Yes. I was focusing on OP’s idea that the social circle is the key. When I’ve known people with large social circles that have a hard time landing or keeping a partner. Your comment is slightly different. “The ability to cultivate bonds” is a skill that is difficult to learn for a lot of people. So you’re doing the same thing as OP, “just be better [at cultivating], bro”. But all of this skips the physical aspects. No one is going to give you the time of day if you’re a short uggo. Or you’ll be …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:19 AM
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Correct. A person with social circle of 2 or a social circle of 20 can be either successful or have difficulties in dating. The strategies to overcome those difficulties are different. And the size of the social circle doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll ever gain the experience to succeed. And even if recluses have a more difficult time than extroverts, you can’t just tell people to become something else. Transforming an introvert into a social butterfly would take many years, if not impossible for…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:05 AM
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It’s just fine. Completely unrelated to dating difficulties or unfairness for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 09:52 PM
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This is another “just be better, bro”. Water is wet. This is in the same vein as women complaining that tall good looking bad boys pump and dump them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 07:24 PM
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I agree that’s a lie. I’ve just never heard a man claim that’s all he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:20 AM
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That women care more about intelligence over looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:19 AM
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“Men just want someone to care about and talk to them” Who said that to you? A woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:11 AM
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Is she hoarding pussy that you feel entitled to? I implied no such thing about entitlement. She can do what she pleases. No one wants her pussy. There’s plenty to go around. However, the implication is that the man she describes has to be way above for her to even consider him. What gives her the entitlement that she deserves that top guy with those 6 stellar attributes? And even if she did find him, why does he have to settle “down” with her? I swear. The privilege women think they have is asto…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 09:15 PM
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She is choosing not to date unless the man is much better than her. Or at least much better than any other man she’s ever met.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 07:40 PM
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At this stage in my life, I wouldn't want an average men. Unless some incredibly good looking, wealthy, devoted, great-in-bed, funny, interesting guy came into my life (nil chance), why would I bother? Hypergamy in a nutshell. But very understandable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 05:59 PM
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So weaponize sex is the solution? And what prevents women from doing the same? It takes a lot of effort to keep many women happy. Some women give the bare minimum of sexual contact while the guy puts her on a pedestal for crumbs in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 11:44 PM
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My point is that men’s needs are simpler than women’s needs. Take care of the easy first then work on the more complex. If, after that, the man is unable or unwilling to reciprocate, then by all means, leave him. Perfectly mutual is ideal, but rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 10:56 PM
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So we’re back to square one. The woman must get her needs met before the man. If that’s how it should work, then say so. Like Chris Rock said about his divorce. “If you ain’t fuckin and going places, ya’ll don’t need to be together.”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 10:19 PM
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I’m just telling you how a lot of men work. If you want them to behave like women, then marry a woman. Trying to change a dog into a cat is a futile exercise.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 10:13 PM
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Just being thoughtfuland conscientious of another person's feelings handles the bulk of preventive maintenance a relationship requires. That is easy to say from the point of view of the person demanding it. Those two words encode a lot and vary greatly per woman. Some women may want to be left alone for a day when there’s an argument. Others may want to talk for 6 hours until the issues are hashed out. Thoughtfulness could mean, make sure you take out the trash and the toilet seat is down, or it…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 08:05 PM
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There are 272827 other things that make a good marriage. That is true, but if the 272828th reason is unfixable sex, then all the others won't matter. You'll become a companionate relationship and someone will start looking for sex elsewhere. Couldn’t you say that it’s actually males who suck at marriage because they’re so preoccupied with sex they often neglect other emotional and companionship needs their wife may have? "Females" have so many requirements for a good relationship, that it takes …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 04:58 PM
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Yeah. I've read it before here and there. But she has magnified it like it's something that no one has ever said it out loud, while she laughs and squints her eyes. I truly hope she's a flash-in-the-pan. I can't believe Piers Morgan has her on his show. Her voice (and content) is like 50 people scraping their nails on chalkboards at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 01:56 PM
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Congrats. You googled and found troll posts, and men comparing women's list of 50 requirements to their one. Also, half of the results are women claiming men say that like you're doing now. Are you mad at trolls? You sound a bit triggered. Regardless, I don't condone calling women land whales. And I'm not backpedaling since I'm partial to dating larger women, which is what I commented originally. I still stand by some men preferring "not fat" is a pretty low bar. I was referring to other men, no…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 03:21 AM
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"land whales." That is a Pearl click-bait term. Do you subscribe to her nonsense? There are dudes here ranting on a weekly to daily basis Link some comments. I've never read a man on this sub say something that extreme about women. The closest thing I've seen is "I want nice and not fat." Regardless, there are a lot of men who prefer curvy chubby women over flat no-hips women. I think "not fat" is reasonable and very different from women thinking all men demand someone hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 03:07 AM
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I'll reply in the other thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 02:33 AM
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Yes, I will. I'm dating a 4 out of 10 right now. But her mind and kindness makes her beautiful. u can’t even speak to what makes a woman a good person. And you haven't answered how you can screen for a cheater. Please do tell. Stop following me around the threads now. ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 02:25 AM
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We did marry young. Early 20s. But you're right. I did miss some signs. She was childish and selfish from the beginning. As a teen, she was taken on extravagant trips abroad by some family members that set her brain on course for wanting that in the future. But she was all about me for many years and didn't mention needing that much. I shouldn't have ignore that. In hindsight, maybe I should have recalled the selfishness and given her more of what her teenage mind wanted. But life went on and it…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 02:22 AM
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She's not nice at all. Can you imagine dating her and hearing "looky here looky here" and interrupting you every second of the day?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 02:09 AM
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Pearl is dumb and annoying and not nice at all. Her jump on the women-bashing-women bandwagon makes her more unattractive than anything else. She's pretending to be an ally for clicks and a payout. We can see right through her. She would be very datable if she were nice... even if she's tall and goofy looking. OC is right. Men want nice. I'll take a nice and agreeable ugly chubby woman over a hot combative one any day.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 02:07 AM
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I am accountable for remaining the same as when she met me. No more, no less. Maybe thats a bad thing in this modern world. Sounds like another shaming comment that when a man does something wrong, it’s his fault, and when a woman does something wrong, it’s his fault, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:27 PM
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Not sure why you think I was mislead. Women picking tall+hot and hoping for the rest to fall into place is the total opposite of what I did. I think this is a typical case of women seeing that there’s always more out there, hanging in during childbearing years, then wanting to upgrade later. AF hunting after BB marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:24 PM
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That’s right. She was happy until she wasn’t. Such is married life. It’ll be some other schmo’s turn at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:03 PM
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I don’t think the genders are equal in this regard. The internet meme has some merit. Men expect women to remain the same (hot/young/no nagging) and women expect men to “grow”. Women take on hot, tall men that don’t really care about their health because the men are young and feel invulnerable. They don’t look like slobs until much later. Women hope that they become solid partners and caring dads. But there is no such guarantee. Most men pretend … and then, just like your wife, take advantage. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 03:45 PM
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lol. Family values, education, healthy lifestyle, and attraction are random now?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:02 PM
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Exactly. Why did OC’s mom marry her dad, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:01 PM
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Because we fell in love, had great sex, both wanted kids, similar education, family oriented, healthy lifestyle, and a few other things. Why does anyone get married? people don’t just change over night You’re right. She changed over years. How does that relate to vetting? Vetting happens before marriage. I’m over it now, but when we divorced, I was “devastated” that I lost the partnership for which I believed I vetted properly. Complaining about men who never knew how to cook and always ate pizz…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 01:43 PM
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I knew someone would say that. The vetting already happened. She was seemed happy during the 12 years. I was happy with who she was from day one and up until a couple years before the marriage ended when she started to check out. I didn’t change over those years, but she did. She wanted more. The commentator is complaining about men who are bums and were likely always bums. So OP is right, marriage to women is just temporary, it’s just your turn. Unless you cater to their whims of wanting more a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 01:31 PM
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The blaming of men that don’t do anything for the household or their health is getting old. It may happen to some women but it’s not necessarily the norm. Perhaps women need to stop picking men just for their height and looks and vet them for long-term partnership. A guy who doesn’t cook and eats junk was likely that way to begin with. In my marriage, I worked 8-9 hours at my job, came home and did a lot of the housework, cleaned, and was really engaged raising our kids. And I ate healthy and wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 01:13 PM
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you’re a slave to your biology and have no self control. Ding! So women are biological slaves to being attracted to the top men. They can’t help but get the ick from 80% of men they call ugly. And you wonder why men are mad? And saying “plenty of women choose to date average men” does not excuse the phenomenon. Women settle for average men after they realize they can’t do better and want a home and a family after their youth is gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 12:34 AM
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make him do Sounds like a nice cuckold relationship while you bang good looking guys on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 11:43 PM
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Higher for attractive men. So most men are pretty safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:07 PM
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It’s not biology that women are increasing their standards due to globalization, plastering their bodies online for attention, and the overabundance of simps. If you still claim that it’s female biology becoming unlocked due to more access, then it is similar to men binging on porn and only being turned on by freakier and freakier acts and greater variety of body types he can view. Both of those are not good for anyone and should be reduced. We are living in a gluttonous age and women are no exc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 04:32 PM
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And how would the government know if someone was playing the victim lmao. The woman knows and should own it. That’s the actual point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 03:51 PM
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Sex is not a good measure. Lots of people like sex early on. The real reason is the same as women claiming that a man was amazing for the first part of their relationship, won her over, and then changed to be a lazy bum that never does any household work or provide emotional support. Both men and women put up a front for an indeterminate amount of time just to secure the relationship then get complacent, sex stops, emotional baggage sets in, resentment builds, and then the someone gets bored, ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 10:18 PM
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Women certainly have less accountability for anything outside of household and child rearing. For everything else, I think there’s a catch all sentiment: When a man does something wrong, it’s his fault. When a woman does something wrong, it’s men’s fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 10:49 AM
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What makes that controversial?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 10:31 AM
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That'd be awesome. Have a huge online database of people filterable by physical measurements. You can then whittle down the 100,000 people within a 5 mile radius to 2 or 3 depending on how picky you are. Then, as they don't respond to you, you would loosen your restrictions pound by pound, inch by inch. It would be similar to the delusion calculators that have been floating around.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 02:10 PM
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Agreed on the hourglass. I take it back. Forget the weight filter. I'll take a waist-to-hip ratio filter any day.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 01:45 PM
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Se besides trying to discredit my credentials… what’s the alternative strategy? Hide, lie, or don’t talk about weight and hope the guy doesn’t care in person? It’s a legit question because women are comfortable directly asking men their height.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 11:57 AM
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Yes. I have. And I date plus size women all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 11:47 AM
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Weight filters are not very useful past a certain point, because weight does not automatically translate to an objective measure in the same way height does. Weight is certainly an objective measure. A guy who is 180lbs may prefer someone who weighs less than him so that he feels powerful, masculine, and protective, just like a woman wanting a taller man wants to feel dainty, feminine, and protected. That guy may set a weight limit of 160lbs, for example. Just like many women say “6 inches talle…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 11:07 AM
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And you should download 3 or 4 average Joe pictures and make a male profile. Maybe it would scar you for life if you realized that getting zero matches for months is a lonely existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 11:02 AM
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Even if you said, “200lbs. all boobs”. You’d get a lot of matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 11:00 AM
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So you’d date a 5’0” guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:53 AM
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You’ve had 300 chances to get rejected? Doing better than a lot of dudes out here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 10:38 AM
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Correct. I don't care that married men pay for "arousal". There are a lot of dead bedroom marriages out there that are not caused by porn. My issue is the hypocrisy. Women aren't entitled to get the ick from men that pay for porn if they are the ones getting paid to provide the porn. p.s. I'm actually *for* sex work and women being free to get paid for their beauty and services. Heck, I'd have an OF myself if women were as thirsty as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:34 PM
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Options are: Don't do OF. Vet their subscribers to be single (impossible). Don't post hypocritical responses to women on forums. Which is the easiest one to implement? This is the same as men complaining that women are sluts and have high n-counts while also enjoying pumping and dumping them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:24 PM
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Sure, that makes sense in a traditional society. And it’s the general sentiment in the all-women subs. But then why do the OF women respond with “yes! All the men that subscribe to me are married or in relationships. It’s disgusting!”… as they laugh their way to the bank taking their money.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 12:39 PM
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It is a double standard. Go into TwoX sub and find the “my BF watches porn” posts. All women call men disgusting who pay for porn. Even the self admitted OF workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 11:00 AM
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Yeah. If they disagree with her they tell her she needs therapy and leave it at that. It’s never a thorough debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 10:41 AM
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The unattractive male gaze.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 10:36 AM
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The claim is not “maltreatment”. It’s non-treatment. The good looking tall guy at the coffee shop gets extra attention while the average guy gets none. No one is entitled to anything but the dichotomy is stark when moving about in normal life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 11:27 PM
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I think one harsh truth is that some women will gladly siphon money out of men (OF, strippers, escorts, massage) and most will yell from the rooftops that sex work is empowering and should be normalized, while other women will punish men for consuming or paying for porn while in a relationship with them. It’s an interesting double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 11:21 PM
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I hear nun-chuck and bow hunting skills are key.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:29 PM
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Humblebrag delete incoming. It’s almost like a woman posting that she has big breasts and a bubble butt and telling other women to stop using hookup dating sites.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:09 PM
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I don't see any dishonesty. 1 - Dealing with a kid is not for everyone, especially for people who've never had kids and have lived a carefree single life. Why would you want to impose that on childless men? 2 - There is still some merit to the "bad decision" idea you call bullshit. A man who hasn't had any children and is on top of his game can surely judge a woman for having procreated with a bum (or whatever reason she left him: boring, emotionally unavailable, not helpful around the house, wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:39 PM
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they care more about not raising another man’s child then their so called aversion for single mothers. That is the aversion. I date single mothers since I’m a single father. But the men that have the aversion are men without children. You can’t tell them they shouldn’t have an aversion to single mothers. Edit: yes. I’ve dated a woman with a dead kid. But she still had 2 other kids with a different ex-husband. So she doesn’t fit in your attempted “gotcha” logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:54 PM
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I had sex with all kinds of gross guys I'd never show my friends and family. Why did you have sex with gross guys? (I’m hoping it’s a logical reason besides drugs or alcohol.)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 07:51 PM
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Your response continues to be vague. Either you’re enjoying the fact that more men find below average women attractive or you’re already rating your partners to looksmatch with you. I See myself as way below average, Insecurity is cute in women. You can still get a lot of attention from a lot of men. I’ve never had a partner. If this is true and no one has partnered with you, you’ll eventually readjust your (non-point based) assessment of your prospects and be forced to lower your standards. Unl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 07:08 PM
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I either find someone attractive or I don’t, I’m not considering whether he has the same amount of “points as me” This is simply not true. Hiding behind “I find them attractive or not” is not enough detail. You’re just being PC to avoid hurting people’s feelings and avoid appearing shallow. You may not assign a point value, but there is definitely relative comparison going on. Most everyone knows their own worth in every aspect— be it attractiveness, intelligence, spirituality, job pay, cleanlin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 07:01 PM
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Yep. Another “just be attractive” post.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 06:20 PM
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You don’t have to be rich, but most women want an ambitious non-lazy man. Women will consider you for a relationship as long as you demonstrate that you’re improving in some way. <unless you’re tall and attractive>
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 02:26 PM
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IMO, settling is different per gender: * A woman settles with a man who is half baked, doesn’t meet all her initial expectations, but hopes he will change over time— a project. * A man settles with a woman who gives him sex but mistreats him in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 04:37 PM
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grew to dislike Unrelated to settling but “growing” to dislike someone can be a selfish shallow reason and probably the cause of a lot of divorces. E.g. women saying the guy ended up being boring, didn’t meet her success expectations after 7 years, or she is surrounded by better men and wants to vine swing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 04:25 PM
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Same
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:52 PM
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What is your reason? Curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:11 PM
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Mate selection is not socialism. You’re right, it’s not socialism. It’s combination of free market capitalism where pussy goes to the tallest bidder, and a system where each woman is a queen monarch of her own circle demanding her loyal subjects to perform for her like jesters while she holds out for Prince Charming. If your a man getting zero likes, you are the common denominator Translation: just be attractive, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 06:28 PM
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Yeah. “Realistically” is the key word. The don’t all go after the top 1%. They go after what they think is they’re own “top”, which is blown way out of proportion due to social media and online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 09:46 PM
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Dated two divorce lawyers back to back recently. Never again.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 10:57 PM
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I like the sub, too. Not just a bunch of people piling on the other gender that isn’t present to defend itself. Like FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 07:56 PM
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They do and it’s mostly a lot of dick-swinging by both men and women as to the type of person they love to exclude or discard.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 03:40 PM
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The average male “struggle” only applies to online dating. Men that stick to IRL dating are doing fine average.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 12:56 AM
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just like everyone is telling you to drop your standards Men’s standards are on the floor. The only thing I hear around here is women telling men to stop being sexual. Unless, of course, he’s tall and she already finds him attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 03:10 AM
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Yes, life is typically boring when women just sit around waiting to be impressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:20 PM
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But aren't guys doing the same thing? Guys go after all the women much hotter than men and keep striking out, only to lower their standards Not quite true. Men go after a much wider range of women, while women go after the top until they realize they can’t lock them down later in life. The phenomenon that a person prefers to remain single rather than partner up with someone average, is strictly a woman issue. Men are content getting into relationships with below-to-average women that treat them …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:26 PM
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A lot of women know how to please themselves very quickly. I’ve known women that say they can orgasm in 30 seconds when they’re alone but report that they can’t get off during sex. I think is that they expect men to do all the work. They won’t help themselves during intercourse. Then blame men as being bad in bed— “didn’t make me cum.” When they could easily add to the enjoyment and please themselves at the same time. Especially multi-orgasmic women. Imagine if a man just laid there with a flacc…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 07:02 PM
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Men get frustrated when I don't put out as soon as they'd like and disappear. Sigh... Sounds like a standards difference not shaming. Men are allowed to move on just as women are allowed to move on when the man is too clingy, shy, lacking confidence, not initiating enough, and a hundred other requirements women have for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:50 PM
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That's a cool anecdote. And could be an interesting post on its own. e.g. "For the most part, average people end up with average people. Are average men invisible to women until they prove themselves in some way?"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 02:56 AM
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Why did I love that girlfriend so much more than I loved the other woman that were with me other than my wife. I have nothing. I know that it's unique to each couple. I've had a similar experience dating a 4 on a conventional scale. But I truly believe we know what those things are if we dig deep and recall the experiences and take account of their personalities. But instead we tend to leave it at magical nostalgia. Adorable to women is pretty much unquantifiable. I also think women know and jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 02:45 AM
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Your bf is not objectively hot. So you left out the most important part? Why is he adorable to you? It would go a long way in convincing men on here that women do go for non-conventional looking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 11:04 PM
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Even simpler: * Men: sex * Women: attention
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 09:45 PM
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If we're going by what's top tier TO HER, now you're including the time involved in vetting a guy to see if he's top tier which, once again, shows how stupid the "women have it so easy" argument is. Incorrect. Average women have non-zero chance of interacting with a top tier guy and waiting for HIM to put in the effort to impress her. She just sits back and puts on more eyeliner. Average men have ZERO chance of interacting with a top tier woman and still have to put in all the effort to impress …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 09:27 PM
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This sub simply fascinates me because it's so completely different from my real life experience. That's interesting. Count yourself lucky then. I'm here because I've experienced a lot of what is discussed on this sub in my real life: I receive 1 match every two months on dating apps. I have to put in a lot of effort to keep the conversation alive and secure the date, only to get ghosted or gently rejected that there wasn't a spark (understandable), then wait another 2 months. Do you know how dem…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 08:54 PM
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I go out with very lovely guys. That’s rare and very charitable of you. Men need more women like you. Most people are thankfully normal, kind human beings Stay non-bitter and non-jaded! What are you doing in this sub? 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 07:23 PM
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That’s true. So not sure why you say that they would be swimming in good options. Especially as they age.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 07:20 PM
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Sure. The implication is that if you don’t show an intense need, then you are living life with confidence, no clinginess, and focusing on other skills and endeavors that will produce success in other parts of life. Then women will flock. That’s like RP tenet #1 Regardless, the underlying need is still there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 06:47 PM
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The hope is that it will eventually produce a good outcome with the right person. If I’m reading it correctly, your post has undertones that men (and some women) shouldn’t pursue love and sex with intense need, and instead let it just happen? But if men don’t pursue that biological need, nothing will happen. We don’t have the luxury of sitting back and letting love and sex fall on our laps.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 06:41 PM
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swimming in good options Nope. Most women on this sub and other social media say they get flooded with mostly bad options.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 06:10 PM
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Yes. I’ve been able to get partners but it always comes with drama and stress. Only for some halfway decent sex and a little affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 06:01 PM
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Yes they do. Women look at men the same way the entire life. First a daddy protector, then a husband provider, then an alimony wallet when they ultimately divorce the man they procreated with for being boring. And then they're off to fund their next bad-boy vine swing with two kids in tow. Old bitter women on TikTok claim they would have rather lived life without being desired by men, but if you experience the lack of attention / affection that men go through their entire lives, you'd change you…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 05:48 PM
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It's funny to read women claiming to know how men pick porn. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 05:30 PM
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Most first dates are $60 - $100, with a very high ghost rate or “didn’t feel a spark”. Two or three of those per month and you can have some no strings sex instead with a woman with the body type you prefer 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 04:18 AM
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Nice!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:57 AM
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Sure. Would you date a 5’4” guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:54 AM
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Unless you are both literally the same height and at the same elevation all of time So just another way of saying you only date tall guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:13 AM
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Yeah. It’s usually posts from women who have chosen correctly and are smitten by their handsome and helpful husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 09:38 PM
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Amsterdam window workers charge €50 per 15 minutes. That’s $216 per hour. I’ve seen US prices be much higher on (semi legal) sites. Like $300 - $500 per hour.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 09:37 PM
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But there are tons of strong assholes and not a lot of strong “meek” guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 09:04 PM
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By being tall and attractive, of course
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 08:50 PM
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Prices would likely come down if it’s legalized. But it doesn’t matter, OF is here. Not sure why women would do in-person sex work at all anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 08:44 PM
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r/marriage has a lot of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 08:30 PM
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Yes they do. Women marry and have kids with the tattooed cocky guy, while pining for the special forces guy, and friendzoning the nice guy that fixes stuff around her house hoping for scraps of her attention. Then she divorces the asshole and complains on social media that all men are trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 08:27 PM
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For women our platonic relationships are very romantic in a way. At least one of you is admitting that friendships with men is more than platonic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 08:18 PM
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That’s the definition of “good enough”. She finds him physically attractive but doesn’t have everything else. She has settled for hot guy that isn’t the whole package.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 07:57 PM
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women marry men hoping they’ll change Exactly, which goes against your original statement that women always marry men who they’re attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 07:32 PM
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Sane, normal women This tired line again. Women definitely marry men that are just good enough. Because that’s all they can lock down based on their age and beauty. They keep their hopes up that the man will improve over time… because? that’s what humans are supposed to do, improve. But most don’t, they have a couple kids, then divorce the guy because he’s not pulling his weight emotionally, with housework, child rearing and everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 07:21 PM
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Dude. Just because media is dominated by men, doesn’t mean it’s not focused towards women’s attention and attraction. The whole advertising, fashion, makeup, household, holiday, food, and education industries are mainly targeted to women, who do the most consumer spending. The movie industry is even more biased towards women. Did you see Barbie? Did you see Sex/Life? Men cheating in movies is seen as dastardly and women cheating is seen as empowering. There is very much a feminist bias in most e…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:11 PM
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What women want is very much universally represented in media and every man’s upbringing. Women must be coddled, catered to, and pedestalized even if they are a virgin, an avid sex worker, or a strong independent executive. Men are taught to protect and serve women, and a man who deviates from that is either a loser or misogynist. Every movie and TV show centers around women, women’s safety and emotions. Men are always portrayed as bumbling idiots or rich businessmen that gives the average girl …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 11:51 AM
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Woman do tons of shit for attraction. Literally entire industries dedicated to it (fashion, makeup, exercise). The fitness industry is mostly dominated by men to feel powerful and attract women. And women claim they only do makeup and fashion for themselves. (Pick a reason already.) There’s no denying that most men find most women attractive for sex and relationships despite makeup and fashion. So no, none of that counts as “effort.”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 07:14 PM
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doesn't make sense because casual sex doesn't help with loneliness at all. Casual sex isnt about closeness or connection- its about a quick high. Incorrect. Sex does help men (and women) with loneliness. It does create closeness and connection. Most men want consistent sex with a woman that appreciates them and admires them. Not just a hole to stick a dick in. Believe it or not, sex is very emotional for men. It creates a high of desire, protectiveness, visual enjoyment, and intimacy. Even post-…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:01 PM
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In terms of dating and relationships… who decides the definition of “their best” ? Is it the person themselves or those around them? A lot of people sit on unrealized potential. And I think the men and women that don’t want them for a relationship are the ones that judge what is best.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 08:25 PM
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The woman paying for first dates? Unheard of.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:35 PM
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They are all very attractive for their age group. And the quote is not “just be skinny”, it’s actually, “don’t be fat”, which is a significant difference. You could give examples of plump/chubby girls, and most men would still find them attractive. p.s. you sound like an incel in the comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 11:20 AM
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Relative attraction is a reasonable expectation. If 3s and 4s go after Chads, then there’s no point to dating in modern times. I’m not a 19 year old Instagram model, and I don’t expect to be treated like one. How do you expect to be treated? What type of men do you go after?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 08:28 PM
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Makes sense. I think Tinder is going the way of PoF. And I see that Bumble is full of professional looking women in my area. Hinge is a close second.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 07:10 PM
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I would say that I’m a 5.5 to 6 when dressed well. I expect the 3s and 4s that I match with on the apps to treat me like a Chad. But they don’t. They’re just as entitled as the 5+ that “accidentally swiped” on me. And before you say women are attracted mentally first, remember that your post is all about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 05:14 PM
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Good idea. I recently went back on the apps, and it’s a shit show. I’m going to get right back off.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 03:36 PM
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Thanks for that. Not a whole lot of details, just “claims”. The GWI link doesn’t go anywhere specific. But I still believe the stat. I’m a little skeptical on the 62% male and 38% female. Others on this sub have claimed 5-to-1 male to female ratio.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 03:15 PM
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42% of men on Tinder are already in a relationship Source for that stat?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 12:49 PM
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It’s cute pillow talk but if she bases any life decisions on it then pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:22 AM
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Can you clarify what you mean by effort? Generally both people on a date put effort into looking good / prepping for a date. IMO, men put in a disproportionate amount of effort. Men must initiate, suggest dates, pay for all first dates, carry conversations, make sure she feels safe, protected, and that he’s confident, emotionally available for her but not overly emotionally vulnerable about his own past, looks and smells good, and overall impress the woman in her desired way. Women, OTOH, put in…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:17 AM
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That because you are a woman, you deserve help from men whom you do not date or have a relationship with in certain areas or things. Or in a man's view, paying dinner for a woman entitles you for sex with her. these are both entitlement problems. In your given examples, women feel entitled to men’s help and resources before ever investing any time into the man, and men feel entitled to sex after putting in a lot of effort to even get to the point of sitting at a dinner table with a woman. It sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 01:46 AM
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The only way this is true is if the uggo man is extremely funny or rich. Or the woman is an uggo herself and can’t pull anyone above a 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 12:24 AM
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Matched on the apps? Immediately. Part of an existing friend group? After she gets to know you. Or Are you attractive? Immediately. Are you not attractive? After she gets to know you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 07:23 PM
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Women don’t tell men why they don’t find them attractive. They leave that kind of locker room talk for their female friends. Men do the same thing. It could be too short, bad teeth, no hair, too much hair, too skinny, too muscular, voice too high-pitched, bad chewing, bad dresser, they’re looking for someone with specific eye color or hair color, and a million other thighs that wouldn’t be PC to say to someone directly in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 09:04 PM
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I think the same question posted as Q4M would also give you some good insight. My answer would be to find a man at your level and don’t wait for him to impress you. Be sweet, kind, not argumentative, compliment him, praise him over other men in your peer group, be intimate with him often and genuinely (don’t force yourself). And don’t scold him when he makes a mistake. Men commit when a relationship is consistently easy and sexy. It’s pretty simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 05:21 PM
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There’s no flaw. Men and women have a natural attraction to each other that makes them behave differently. Even in platonic ways there is preferential treatment for those we find more attractive. There are studies where people treat attractive people better or worse in the workplace depending if they are the same or opposite gender. So yes, if someone hangs out with people that are unattractive to them, it is much easier to accept them as friends and not want more. So if he befriends attractive …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 10:36 PM
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Another thing I partially agree with. Yes, I see hot women with hot men and ordinary looking women with ordinary looking men. But that’s after they’ve settled for the type of man they can actually keep around. And the latter relationships/marriages are far from decent. There is a lot of divorce and disgruntled people. Cheating, dead bedroom, monkey branching, materialism, people leaving when disease strikes, claims of emotional abuse and neglect— all of which women blame on men, of course. And t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 09:11 PM
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you would be really bad at that write part of a story and pass it along game. What you wrote doesn't follow on from what i said or what the comment i was replying to said I think that makes two of us, because I didn’t understand the gibberish you just wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 07:22 PM
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I agree that it works the same way for men. Just to a much lesser degree. For men, I would say the slices of the pie that make up a woman for LTR add up to 100% in terms of importance: 60% looks + 30% personality + 10% accomplishments. But for women, I believe it’s more like they require a man to add up to much more: 50% looks + 50% personality + 50% accomplishments. In other words, men want acceptable, and women want exceptional. Also, “getting along” it’s not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 07:19 PM
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Which makes it safe that you don’t want to fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 06:55 PM
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Which implies women want perfection (both looks and personality)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 06:36 PM
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What’s difficult to understand? Men can get hard for chunky single moms but they’re not attracted to them for LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:11 AM
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I can find other posts/comments by men saying men do get hard and fuck women they aren't attracted to That’s a contradiction. What those posts usually refer to is that men can get hard for a lot of different body types but they won’t get into a relationship with a large chunk of those body types.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:07 AM
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That’s a sweet memento.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:03 PM
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I’m envious of that. Keep it burning!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 06:36 PM
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Sounds lovely.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 06:29 PM
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So you visited his work over 3 months with the purpose of flirting with him or just kept running into him? Who chatted up who first? IME, IRL encounters work best when the woman is physically attracted to the guy first/more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:46 PM
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But we had 3 months of getting to know each other and building chemistry before the date. Not sure what kept you interested in him for that long, but most women online nowadays will have moved on within the first week if the guy doesn’t ask them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:16 PM
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Which is money?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:12 PM
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According to that I see only three options: 1. Women that go for abusive men know what they’re doing but it’s ok because they are unpleasant themselves. 2. Women that go for abusive men are victims who are dumb and easily manipulated and should not be required to take accountability. 3. Women that don’t go for abusive men are happy and don’t post on PPD or on TikTok crying. I wonder what percentage each group encompasses.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:06 PM
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Blind dates may be a double whammy. You find the date unattractive and you may damage the relationship with the friend that set you up for them not knowing what you would like.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 02:29 AM
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If it’s not “love” declining and not women getting bored then why do they jump ship? IMO, marriage shouldn’t be hard to the point that it takes “work”.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 02:19 AM
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Isolating a person from their friends is considered a form of controlling behavior… He attempted to control her behavior by communicating that he didn’t like what she was doing and that she had the option to leave. She wasn’t indebted or unable to leave him. He also berated her for her lifestyle and the fact she’s a model, despite knowing very well the whole time what her job is. You skimmed over OC’s point that both men and women want the best they can get and hope that the other person changes…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 08:40 PM
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Yep. Telling women what they should be happy with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 04:26 PM
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women in America should be happy with… You sound like a RP guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 04:00 PM
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That’s probably fine at first, but women eventually get bored with shy guys. Ambition, confidence, and edge get men farther if they pass the height threshold. Again. I believe women want it all. They’ll stay single until they find that Tangled Prince who is also confident and witty. Or they’ll try to reform that pretty shy guy and find out they can’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:51 PM
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So basically the guy has to have it all. Edgy AND the other stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 05:41 PM
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Likely the man because, testosterone. But IME, relationships are so much better when the woman is hornier. There’s no convincing for the man to do. She will be more sexually creative and flirty, and sexual banter happens outside of the bedroom a lot more.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 05:39 PM
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Why would a women want to ruin her body? Why would she want to go through the pain and discomfort of pregnancy and birth? Ask women that question. No one is forcing women to have kids. Find some other reason to siphon money from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 05:36 PM
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I’ve seen this, too. I always cringe and wonder why anyone would find those things funny. My guess is that women laugh at anything a man says who they already find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:54 PM
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Omg. There’s no requirement that any movement is advice for fixing the opposite gender. That was my original point. Red pill is for advancing men’s skills which hopefully has a side effect of attracting women instead of only focusing on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 09:20 PM
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Not looking for advice. Just listening to both sides to see what they’re saying. I have yet to find a single woman praising men besides grifters like Justpearlythings. The only place I can find some positive from women is in r/marriage when the guy does some chores or plans something sweet for his wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 09:04 PM
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Why does there have to be this concept of “take credit” ? Someone has to talk about how men can improve, and it surely isn’t women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 09:01 PM
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Yes there is a level of blame from manosphere content. But the core of RP is to raise awareness of women’s high standards, delusional or not. Men still want women and they need to up their game if they want women around.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 08:53 PM
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A movement doesn’t have to invent anything for it to be valuable. There are 12yo looking women on YouTube posting videos of how to boil and egg, bake a cake, or reviewing dollar tree junk that get 1.2M views… and you are peeved that there are men spreading the word that simping and pedestalizing women is not worth it? What I get from listening to red pill content is that I need to up my game in physique, finances, and social skills. What I get from listening to feminist content is that all men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:45 PM
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Enthusiastic 3 but only if she’s good at sex. I dated an enthusiastic 3 but her blowjobs hurt, and was a bad kisser. I don’t want to train someone to be good at sex, especially if she’s unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:15 PM
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I have two ex-coworkers who were very pretty. They both married rich good looking men. They each now have 2 very good looking kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 06:05 PM
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It’s not too much if you can afford to wait to align perfectly, which is what women are increasingly doing. It sounds easy to say “bare minimum” but attraction and compatibility can mean anything from a mountain to a molehill. Many women have long lists of what is attractive to them. Those things I mentioned are part of the compatibility/attraction list. It’s fine. It just means fewer relationships that last.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 04:12 PM
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The number of men [I find attractive] who have offended me with their appearance is negligible FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 09:22 AM
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A 10 guy who talks too much is a no for me. So all of this rating 1-10 is subjective every time. But the 10 gets the date. That’s the point. A 5 won’t get a date to show that he’s not an over-talker. Rating is subjective but most people can point out a 10 and a 1 out of a lineup. And most women think men are 1s on sight. And will never find out if they have good personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 09:16 AM
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Women think everything is a bare minimum. Must be tall, muscular but not jacked, nice face, nice teeth, confident but not an asshole, ambitious but not a workaholic, makes good money, well-traveled but always available, loves dogs or cats, emotionally mature, vulnerable with his feelings but not a cry baby, willing to grow/fix himself but accept her as she is, and yes, want the things she wants, and compatible in every other way. Women equate “bare minimums” with perfection, and they believe the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 08:57 AM
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None of those reasons matter. The privilege is that women have access to relationships using sex. The rewards outweigh the risks. When a woman is ready to find a relationship, she can easily put herself out there (online or in-person) and many men will come to her. She can weed them out to her liking. And the men are expected to initiate and put in all the effort of courting her. If you want to refer to it as a ‘privilege’ that applies to very attractive men who have an easy time sleeping with w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 03:14 AM
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Easier access to relationships is the privilege. Easier access to sex and debates about it are a red herring. This is it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 02:57 AM
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Agreed they don’t want/need Elon, but they won’t take a guy that reduces her bank account weekly. Men must have basic job and money but they’re expected to share their earnings to a greater degree than women do with men. Maybe one day women will willingly provide 75% - 100% of the household income, but we’re not there yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:34 AM
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as long as she is attracted to him, compatible with him, and if they want the same things ^ You didn’t add those things? And they are not necessary? Those are very big requirements for most people. Yes, those are unique which makes them not average. And attraction is not as snowflakey as everyone makes it seem. There are very clear markers that make a man unattractive for a lot of people. All to say that women don’t want average. Far from it. At least, until they’re forced to settle when their o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:28 AM
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… content with a nice average dude Those three very big things you added as conditions make him not average.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:15 AM
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Nice! Though this needs to be juxtaposed with what age women would take these guys. E.g. Do you really think a woman would marry a hot=3.5 useless=1.0 at any age? Also, pet peeve. Please redraw the graph as Hot/Useful matrix. Double negatives are stupid 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:00 AM
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Does being feminine put you at risk of being taken advantage of? Yes. Especially if you're a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 06:45 PM
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OP didn't talk about anorexia. But even so. The same applies. I believe anorexia is mostly a mental disorder. The guy would still pick her and hope/wait for her to correct that through therapy or other means, rather than picking an overweight woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 05:34 PM
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The thin smoker may get lung cancer and the overweight woman may get diabetes. Pick your poison. Men aren't picking based on how long a woman will live. But if they were, waiting for a smoker to quit seems like less effort than waiting for a woman to lose 50lbs. And in the meantime, you can show off the thin woman to your buddies. Also, smoking is a dealbreaker for a lot of people, just like not dating overweight people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 05:28 PM
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Sure. They're both unhealthy. Pick the lesser of two evils.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 05:14 PM
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It seems like most men (on PPD at least) would rather date a sedentary smoker who’s thin than a woman who works out, eats right, & doesn’t smoke but who is overweight. Why are those the only two options? How about an average size woman that works out and eats healthy? The cope that many overweight women have is that they became large over years of bad habits. They get a gym membership or buy a Peloton, then claim they are "fit" after a year or two of trying to lose weight. Switching to a "health…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:43 PM
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Wanting things that harm your relationship is what's worth questioning. High body count in women harm the relationship? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 01:31 AM
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Just because you had to work for it doesn’t make it valuable. Yes it does. Especially in this context. A man that can get a lot of women is proof that many women enjoy his company or at least are tricked into enjoying his company. A better analogy to your meth example is getting a Ph.D. A whole faculty body and peers awarded you a degree that takes years and talent to master. Now you’ll get hired for jobs that require Ph.D level discipline.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 01:17 AM
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Yes it is possible. I believe (modern) authority in a relationship is measured by a difference in SMV. When a man dates a woman considerably below his league/value/attractiveness/financial, he will have implicit authority over her. She won’t leave because she doesn’t want to leave. She’s dating the best she can find and won’t want to give that up. As soon as you enter into a more equal relationship, most authority is lost, in both directions. Of course this is not gender specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:00 PM
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I believe women’s requirement that the man be taller than her is similar to men’s unspoken preference that the woman weighs less than him. But yes. I am attracted to chubby women. But there are limits. She would have to be: * proportional - fat distributed evenly * hourglass - breasts and hips wider than stomach (but can still have a pooch) * a normal pretty face with no double chin * large breasts (small breasts on big women looks strange) * round ass (flat ass on big women looks manly) * under…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 01:47 PM
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Agreed. I was just pointing out that large social circle is not a requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 02:13 AM
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I 100% guarantee you that if women were as needy for sex as men, there would be tons of opportunistic men doing the exact same thing. Of course. And they would both exhibit high levels of delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 11:34 PM
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That sounds right in theory, but I think “friendly” is more closely tied to not being a nag, instead of extroversion. Men don’t necessarily want a socialite with lots of friends. That behavior tends to attract other men which causes her hypergamy to activate, and for him to have to compete for her loyalty. I agree with the domestic. Cooking, cleaning, nurturing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 11:18 PM
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Tall women don’t want average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 11:11 PM
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It is tremendously easier for women. Answer this. Would you rather have 100 matches per day where the other person has to put in all the effort to impress you, or 1 match every 6 months that unmatches you when they find out your height?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 11:01 PM
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They end up with none of them and all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:41 AM
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I'm married now. He did pay for dinner the first date. I paid for the 2nd. That sounds nice and equal except most men pay for 100 first dates before they find a relationship and women pay for 1 second date and get a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 05:59 PM
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In my area, Target is teeming with size 4 moms wearing a giant rock on their finger and leaving in Teslas or Audio Q7s. Walmart is definitely full of voluptuous duos, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 12:29 AM
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Every person is different. Tell that to women who have to worry for their safety when meeting a new man alone. When you ignore the specific for the general No one is instructing people to ignore the specific. We have to use both the general AND the specific. In that order. In dating, all we have to go on is our past experiences, stereotypes, and statistics. In fact, people give chances to and select romantic partners based on very shallow general knowledge and then begin the learning process. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 03:31 PM
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Sorry. 85% of us are not experts in statistics. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 12:14 PM
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You’re likely not putting out any signals (clothing, hair, eye contact, friendly conversation, putting yourself in situations where a man is needed, etc…). You have a lot more power than you realize. Men have to be more cautious these days with being labeled creeps or sexual harassers. You can’t just sit back and wait for confident men anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 12:07 PM
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Agreed. Most of us look like assholes when we generalize. None of us are experts in statistics or even our small social circle of experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 09:55 PM
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Short answer: based on a man’s confidence and his own attractiveness and status, he will approach all women who he determines are likely to respond to his advances. Long answer: It’s interesting that you frame your question with a focus on what men want. When in reality, it is women who control sexual access and signal that the man should approach. E.g. You can’t disconnect a desire for short women from women’s desire for tall men. Which is the chicken and which is the egg? It may seem that men …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:57 PM
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I’m sure there are plenty of men who don’t really care to improve themselves and use Reddit and the YouTube manosphere as a “get pussy quick” scheme. I just think that’s a misapplication of red pill theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:27 PM
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You can only disprove with an anecdote if someone claims “all”. But it’s a gray area when people use “most”. Many anecdotes can certainly be applied to (mostly) general statements if narrowed down to city or socioeconomic demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:23 PM
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Average relationships don’t have that. But the best ones do.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:10 PM
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There is no contradiction. The red pill steers men away from putting women on a pedestal. It tries to shine a light on how focusing on women is not worth the trouble. A man that focuses on himself will attract more women as a side effect, but that is not the goal. The goal is for the man to develop himself to the point where he has options, and becomes independent from female nature. It’s actually a leveling of the playing field, much like feminism. Women are told to focus on themselves and thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:05 PM
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Great comment. I completely understand what you're saying. For guys, you get a boner and you are good to go. Not quite. Perhaps you're younger, but I'm in my 40s. Instant boners are harder (🥁) to come by compared to when I was younger. In my teens, I would get a boner from a billboard of a woman in a tank top. Now, due to a lifetime of sexual experiences, expectations, and aging, a boner requires visual AND mental stimulation. So I can empathize with women on that front. Anecdote: I dated a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 04:54 PM
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I [20f] only find myself attracted to 1/200 men I see or even less. That sounds about right for a young woman's pickiness. Depending on your career, education level, and how well you maintain your body as you age, your pickiness will only get worse. To answer your question... men are attracted to most women for sex, and many women for relationships. Like women, men try to get the best they can but not as picky. On average, eventually everyone settles into their looksmatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 04:22 PM
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Eat well as in discomfort having sex, Not being fat. Our intestines play a huge role in this. So shaving and having a light meal before sex is being good at sex? Interesting. And if you don’t know what women do to make sex Better im sorry for you. Oh, I've had great sex with women who go above and beyond. I'm just trying to get a sense for what you think is "good at sex". Women getting off in 30 seconds usually means playing with the clit and men are notoriously bad at that. A man's penis and to…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 04:10 PM
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What you mention is all done outside of the bedroom. What are some examples of effort that you put in during sex? What makes you "good at sex" besides being present and the guy getting aroused simply because you're naked? We take time and the right mental place to get aroused. Many women say they can get off in 30 seconds by themselves, but then require 30 minutes of foreplay from a guy. Why can't that be reproduced with a man that you're supposedly already attracted to? Or does it also take you…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:30 PM
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The difference is that men are usually much more easily satisfied. Womans body requires a lot more. That is just a biological difference. Yes that is well known. If the woman constantly keeps getting less for her effort to even get aroused, What effort?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 09:24 AM
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I’m just gonna say it… most guys are not nearly as good at sex as they think they are. I don't know why women perpetuate this idea that men are the ones that need to perform for them. Do you ever think that women also need to be "good at sex" and not just wait for the man to magically know how to make them orgasm? Women can chip in and get themselves off during a short sex session with someone they supposedly love and care for, and not automatically blame the man for not being good. Idk about an…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 03:27 AM
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Hallmark movies portray what women want. They are best-case scenario romance novel fantasies. She is strong, independent, in a relationship, but still "missing something." She's dating the asshole/neglectful Alpha Bucks and then stumbles upon the Alpha Feels. They also never make her a married woman, to avoid the cheating trope, and give her an easy out. Notice also how there is never a Beta in the picture. She never settles for anything less than a silent but confident tall hunk with emotions. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 04:58 PM
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I hear everything you're saying. Everything you mention is why I think maintaining close friends with attraction is a recipe for disaster. If your better than the close friends you’ll eventually be more and more involved and their role will decrease. You're basically saying that the dynamic can be fraught with competition. The person you're dating should not have to "be better" than your close friends. Obv some twats out there are weirdly possessive and dont want to take a step back but thats an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 02:50 PM
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the whole… different things… Isn’t that what the OP is referring to? Saying things without actually saying anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 02:05 AM
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his scent 100%. Scent cannot be underestimated.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 02:03 AM
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That’s always the rebuttal. This also applies to bisexual people. Just replace “opposite gender” with “someone you’re attracted to”. According to OP, you should only seek romantic relationships with those with whom you can have a “best friendship”. If you have 2+ best (close) friends, then who do you choose? Why not all of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 01:23 AM
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Lol. Had me until the /s :-)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 09:55 PM
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That’s great. But that requires equal motivation and energy from both partners. Especially after a long day of work and kids. Sounds like you found a good gamer husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 07:59 PM
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I don't need other men's attention or approval because the man I respect most makes me feel like the most beautiful woman alive. Truth. And I dare say, very red-pilled of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 05:33 PM
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Most people have kids by 40 and are worn out lol. Tell me about it. lol I see child-free couples on TikTok having a blast playing video games together and traveling. I almost wish I went that route, but I can't imagine life without my kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 05:32 PM
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I think women like you are becoming rare... For every one of you, there are dozens of women that call men insecure for not wanting their partner to have close male friends. edit: but maybe it's because you found your Alpha. Maybe women who marry lesser men still want to have better male attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 05:13 PM
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At first I agreed with you but then I thought... I have become physically attracted to female body types that I wasn't attracted to 10 years ago. My physical preferences have changed due to experiences, the women I've dated, the women I've become friends with, women aging, my own aging, the needs I have in a partner, and even the porn I watch. For those reasons, I believe that physical attraction is malleable and not static or always instant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 05:10 PM
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I understand that you're trying to ascribe free-will, but that's not how statistics works. If a scientist were to analyze everyone in your immediate family they could certainly come up with your chance for number of children, heart disease, hair loss, other ailments, and relationship and financial success. The chances can be extrapolated outward to your extended family, neighborhood, city, state/province, country, and eventually get to the globalized numbers that are quoted on websites like the …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 04:56 PM
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29 is young. I think it's all relative. I'm in my 40s and I see anyone under 36 as really young. I'm sure you look at people 18-21 as babies. I see fewer and fewer women in their 40s looking young. It's difficult to maintain. I think women who have kids age the worst. 100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 04:17 PM
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Divorce, weight gain, hair loss, trouble conceiving, pregnancies with birth defects, heart disease, cancer, arthritis, osteoporosis, etc... are all predicted by statistics. People tend to make the error of assuming a statistic would say anything about the individuum. I've heard this before, but it sounds like vague rhetoric to make individuals feel good about themselves, like they're going to be able to escape the inevitable physical effects and events in human behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 04:08 PM
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Completely agree, except... Do we now understand that opposite sex "best friends" is a recipe for disaster if someone is already in a relationship? Adding any smidge of attraction and sexual chemistry should turn a "best friendship" into the best relationship of your life according to the recipe you prescribe in your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 03:59 PM
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Humans nature is: To be selfish. To take advantage of people for our own pleasure. To blame others for our failings. To try to change people into doing what we want. To practice the "sunk cost fallacy" because we don't believe we can do any better. Some of us fight off these tendencies better than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 03:46 PM
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But you can get sex by masturbating for example. I agree it's not a need, but masturbation is not sex. And orgasms are not sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 03:09 AM
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Yep. That was me. Yes, men would prefer variety if it were socially acceptable. But both straight men and bisexual men can control their urges and be monogamous. There should be no distrust in a man’s faithfulness just because he’s bisexual. Is that true of women? All bisexual women are cheaters?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 03:14 PM
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Ego boost and feelings of power are not the same as a romantic emotions or feelings of love. Women can become emotionally attached to a man after good sex. Men don't have that attachment. If it were socially acceptable, men would 100% prefer sexual variety with increased physical pleasure over emotional attachment to a single woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 09:53 PM
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I'm glad we're on the same page that women disregarding men who have experimented with men is as toxic as men wanting a non-promiscuous woman. Btw, I personally don't care how promiscuous a woman was. Loyalty can be proven in other ways with present actions instead of asking about her past. But apparently knowing that a man has experimented automatically labels him a cheater for the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 09:45 PM
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I'm looking for a life story that seems reasonable given the type of personality I want to see in a partner. Mostly trying to identify potential incompatibility earlier rather than later. I can't tell from your answer whether you're more permissive or want a man who is/was less experimental. But either way, it makes sense to want someone who has similar sexual goals... whatever "reasonable" means to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 09:36 PM
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Wow. A bisexual or bi-curious man automatically equals higher risk of cheating. That’s not toxic or insecure at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 09:20 PM
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That’s interesting coming from a woman since women on this sub don’t seem to care or want men to care about their past. What are some of your reasons for asking for sexual history?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 09:15 PM
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Facts don't matter now? Wow. You just dismissed the entire discipline of the social and behavioral sciences.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:14 PM
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So true. That is a difficult lesson for a lot of us to learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:10 PM
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Sex already would mean so little to them. Nail on the head. I think that's the answer to this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:09 PM
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Sure. Average men are insecure that they'll be taken advantage of if they wife-up a promiscuous woman. That's fine. Promiscuous women can continue to try find themselves a confident Alpha man who is not insecure about her past, but she better be ready to be treated like a promiscuous woman who doesn't value herself and seeks out validation from men. (As you yourself admitted to needing when you were younger). Most people don't really change as they get older, they just become more intense and se…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:05 PM
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Yes, because they're jealous and insecure. In another comment you said you continued being promiscuous because of "Insecurity, FOMO and need for validation when I was younger." And now you're blaming men for being insecure that they don't want promiscuous women? The hypocrisy is palpable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:58 PM
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virtuous Synonyms: honorable, principled, wholesome, exemplary, faithful, clean-living, untarnished, untainted. That's precisely the opposite of promiscuous. I wasn't a 25 year old virgin when I met my husband. Virgins are also stigmatized. But having few sexual partners is more "virtuous" than having dozens of sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:54 PM
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The entire basis for your post is equality. Men and women's sexual value are not equal for several reasons: Most men do not question their choices after sex, women do. Most men do not become emotionally attached after sex, women do. Testosterone drives most men to find sex, women don't. It is not easy for most men to find sex, it is for most women, regardless of the quality of sex. Men are expected to lead, be good in bed, and know how to make any type of woman orgasm. That requires men to gain …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:43 PM
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Yep. Creativity in covering up insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 09:06 PM
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Like the insecurity women cover up with makeup?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:57 PM
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Queer people make up 4% of the population, and 1 in 9 people claim that have tried polyamory. Those two groups definitely overlap. Regardless, the 80/20 rule can still apply to the remaining cis-het-mono people. And remember, the 80/20 is that hetero women find 80% of men unattractive on sight in online dating. It doesn’t necessarily mean they completely reject them. As we see walking around real life, people end up settling anyway. Both concepts can be true at once.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:04 PM
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No one cleans for 2-3 hours every day, even with kids. That sounds like OCD. Agreed on meal planning and cooking.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:32 PM
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women like this is that they're actually just as feminine as most other women, and their masculine work identity is simply a mask. That makes a lot of sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 05:10 PM
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I think you found the golden dynamic. But I think you’re a rarity because most feminine women want a masculine man. And most masculine women want an even more masculine man. You know the whole trope of, “I’m a boss lady at work and I just want to be able to come home, have the man lead and ‘take’ me in bed.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 04:05 PM
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The poly/queer/kink worlds are intermingled and they’re entirely composed of exceptions. Not the heteronormative debates of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 12:40 PM
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He’s happily settled with three very awesome women Dang. That’s not a Mega Chad or a Giga Chad, that’s a Tera Chad!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 04:03 AM
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I’ve seen that, too. The fuglies definitely hook up with other fuglies.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 03:53 AM
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Yep, it’s a given that I would do a good job. Just like it’s expected for her to go to work and not get fired for laziness or mediocrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 03:51 AM
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If yes, what would you do with your time? Pursue the passions that I wasn't able to turn into a day job. Your end of the deal as the househusband would be to cook dinner, buy the groceries, clean the home, do small repairs, all the normal stuff that single people do to keep their place well run. I would really enjoy that. I love it on my own already. It's cathartic and feels great to keep a proper home. I'd have a clean house and food ready as soon as she comes home or comes out of her WFH offic…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:52 PM
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No worries. So let me ask the reverse question. Do you think men's attractiveness drops after 36 and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:34 PM
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None of your points mention physical attractiveness. No wonder women are fixated on men's status. But to your points, my personal growth in income, confidence, status, peer standing, and cultural knowledge has increasingly grown from my 20s to 30s to 40s. I don't see when that'll stop, unless I get an illness. What hasn't continued to grow or strengthen are my hair, height, jaw line, or facial attractiveness. The 4 things women need first to even consider you. I don't think men's financial attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:25 PM
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I would like men to use the app AS IT WAS DESIGNED. I’m not asking them to be “fully interested” in me. There are no rules for how an app should be used. Developers design these apps to get money out of people. They don't care whether people find relationships, whether there's a balance of men and women, or who is to blame for who has a harder time... They'd prefer to keep everyone swiping and paying for upgrades. Re: men swiping on everyone... Tinder has always limited the number of people you …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:03 PM
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I mean I get more picky when I’m not dating multiple men honestly. ... is going to have to check a lot of the boxes That sort of makes sense. You'd be more careful choosing a man if you restrict yourself to chatting and meeting one without overlapping others. So what you're actually doing is picking lesser men (in your eyes) just because they exist and happen to match? If I’m going to start over from scratch ever time Not sure what you mean by "from scratch". Every man is from scratch. Do you me…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:39 PM
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I understand how it works. I’ve certainly taken advantage of the (extremely) rare event where I’ve matched with two women interested enough to have the chance to ask them out within the same week or even month. If men had the same match rate as women, there wouldn’t be much of an issue. Everyone would be interviewing everyone in town all at once. I also understand the stresses of preparation and disappointment of rejecting/rejection that it makes you want to hedge your bets and spread your eggs …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 03:37 PM
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She talked while chewing food.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 02:14 PM
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Wait you want exclusivity on the first date? You expect women to commit to you day one? I enjoyed reading your conversation with the supposed HVM troll. But I wonder, why can’t a man have a preference for a woman who focuses on him without talking to or going on dates with other men? It may seem innocent, benign, and efficient for a woman to continue exercising her options, but she’s mentally juggling, judging, and making multiple men compete for her during overlapping intervals. That’s kind of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:55 PM
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He left a space before his punctuations “how’s your day ?” 🥴 Did you know that a space before a question mark or other punctuation is expected in other languages ? 😉 E.g. French. He didn’t know basic geography. Making this a little ironic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:38 PM
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This is it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:56 AM
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As someone else said, message all of them. You’re attracted to all of them anyway. The privilege is that you want a guarantee that the men are fully interested in return, with no effort from you. There’s no “taking it out on others”. Men are playing the game just from a different angle. Women are so picky that men get very few matches. So men rightfully swipe on most women to avoid wasting time. If women weren’t as picky and men got the same number of matches, then they’d slow down on the right …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:35 AM
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The thing is most men swipe right on most women. Bumble has that extra hurdle after that farce of a match.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:30 AM
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Men will still spam women with likes making it impossible for women to send a message to all their matches. Why is it impossible? There’s no difference between swiping on hundreds of men and scrolling through hundreds of likes. Just look through the list for the men you’re attracted to and message them. What do you want that’s better than that? A personal matchmaker that brings you the perfect compatible man on a silver platter? Not only that like only a third of the guys I messaged even respond…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 04:10 AM
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Those guys aren’t getting matched anyways, especially if you add “ugly” to the list. So I don’t think they apply to the OP. That was my point to her. I doubt they’re matching with unattractive guys to begin with. And if they only match with attractive men who appear well-rounded, well-traveled, and ambitious, then those men have all the leverage, and the woman does have to carry more of the conversation. Do you think there’s a lack of ugly, lazy, socially inept, poor guys All threads on here can…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 09:07 PM
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The only thing that Bumble addresses, is blocking men from spamming women with initial messages. It has nothing to do with gender roles or reforming or evolving women’s behavior to be more of the initiator beyond first contact.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 08:33 PM
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EDIT: Would you be willing to post/quote a few of the chats that became "un-flirtatious" or you had to carry the whole conversation? --- I think what's going on is that men rarely get a match from a decent looking woman. When it happens, most of the time it's a bot, scammer, or OnlyFans chick selling her virtual appearance for cash. (personal experience). After he determines that she's real, it's still expected that he has to perform for her... like a witty, funny, knowledgeable, and confident m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:32 PM
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Women should inject themselves with testosterone to objectify men sexually. Men should reduce their testosterone to become more emotionally available. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 03:52 PM
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In my opinion you can't take back control from random people who never took it from you in the first place. Exactly. Yes, it's a very common theme of humanity, men and women alike, to take a hurt created by one individual and extrapolate it out as being hurt by all people who share a characteristic with them. Yes. That can be applied to so many aspects of life. Sex, age, race, religion, nationality, political party, even gender identity. —— Very sorry to hear about your sexual assault. Though gl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:02 PM
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Thanks for your comment. I agree it’s technically no one’s fault. But I have read that women having had sexual trauma in their past causes them to want to “take control” back from men by sleeping with a lot of other men. It sounds counterintuitive but can make sense to a point. In that regard, it does seem like women are blaming men in general for the horrendous behavior of a few shitty men. (“a few” being also under debate). I recall this video of “I regret being a slut”.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 12:27 PM
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You would think consider the amount men complain about being sexless they would try to improve their behaviour instead of stamping their feet and complaining “ you don’t instruct me step by step on what to do “ Those are two different groups of men that require different advice. The sexless men aren’t complaining about needing instruction. They aren’t having sex. The men that complain about needing instruction, are perhaps above average in attraction and are selfish lovers with options. I agree …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 11:56 AM
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Agreed! I can just understand the frustration of a bottom if your top doesn't even know what they're doing in the slightest. Your use of "top" and "bottom" says a lot. *Someone* has to lead or at least be interested in leading the encounter. It implies that the "bottom" is receiving and the "top" is giving. If both people are switches, however, then what? :-) You can give a little guidance but its hard to give a whole ass lesson in the middle of the down in dirty is mostly what I mean. So true!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:58 AM
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Why do women need to do more if it women are the ones complaining about terrible sexual experiences. It seems like the general consensus is that men by and large enjoy casual sex and want to have more of it and for most women it’s the opposite. That's an interesting take. The first sentence makes me think, "really? the person having bad sex shouldn't try anything more or anything new? That's very selfish to expect the man to do it all." The second sentence makes me think, "that's true, men do wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:51 AM
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Yep. And I'm sure there are books for women to help them out of starfish pose? Need an Amazon link. It does sorta just ruin it. I do agree. It's better when the man leads. It's just interesting that no one talks about female sexual competence. It's only men that can be bad at sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:38 AM
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I wonder how many of those encounters came with an actual orgasm. I bet little to none Come on. You know what you wrote. There's no hyperbole and the word "fault" doesn't have to be in the sentence to have meaning. The above quote is the same tired old mud slinging where women claim that men don't care about a woman's orgasm. It's getting old since a lot of men are very eager to please women. For the primary purpose of wanting those same women to request repeat sexual encounters with them. Bonus…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:35 AM
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An insanely low bar that 90% of men couldn’t reach The point is, as you're explaining, that it's on men to read, ask, figure out, suggest, adjust, etc... It's never spun as women need to do more. It's ok. It's usually men's responsibility to lead. It just would be nice for women to initiate with what makes them tick. But I have heard from some women that they lose momentum if they have to give a man instructions. btw, I've experienced various types: Women who know what they want, tell me outrigh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:19 AM
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A master of deflection. You did fault men for not providing women orgasms to account for their "personal choice" to increase their body count. At least thank you for not denying the topic of women's psychological issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:57 AM
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Nice deflection. Your comments still apply to women. At least there's an admission that women tend to have mental or psychological problems when they sleep with a lot of men. Is that men's fault, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:45 AM
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Before settling: Average man: 0 options without working hard to become above average. Average woman: Hundreds of options without working hard. After settling: Still an average man: Average options with 1 or 2 divorces under his belt. Still an average woman: Average options with 1 or 2 children in tow.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:36 AM
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CDC says men average 199.8lbs and women average 170.8lbs. ... and average heights of 5'9" and 5'3.5" respectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:26 AM
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Interesting. So women having a high body count is a psychological problem, not that they want to enjoy their sexual freedom? (btw, some men would agree). Also, are you implying that a high body count is ok if it comes with orgasm?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:09 AM
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Women quickly put down men as, “he doesn’t even make me cum”, while also claiming that every woman is different. Men are supposed to magically know how to satisfy a woman without the woman saying a word. Otherwise, it’s unsexy… or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:04 AM
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Dang. Men wish they could swipe right 4% of the time and have 37 sexual encounters in 6 months. I highly doubt that young women’s body count is below 10 like surveys claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 02:38 AM
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I think I’ve heard you say in another comment that most, if not all, of your friends are men. Do you think that maybe you haven’t run into romantic love because you are satiated by all the male friendship love?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:17 AM
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Cartoons don’t count. The point is that it’s a parody of real life. No woman would stay with Peter or Homer. King of Queens is a good one. Who’s fat and dumb in Fresh Prince? Tony Soprano was fat but smarter than everyone else in the show. Beast is tall, powerful, and beastly, not fat and dumb. The others I haven’t seen. I’ll check them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 10:18 PM
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I'd love to hear some examples of those. Especially ones where these smart thin women stay with the fat dumb men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:49 PM
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👀
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:57 PM
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Curious. What industry are they in? Are they still working together?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:06 PM
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Good for them! I wish I had coworkers that were fuckable. But alas, they’re all 40-55yo nerd guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:03 PM
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That’s a movie quality dream. To find someone with whom you already spend 8 hours a day. Someone you have vetted as competent and intelligent, good work ethic, attractive without having to write profiles, take flattering pictures, or compete with Chads online. There are risks if it doesn’t work out, but the risk may be worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:39 PM
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Agreed. Forgot to mention work. People say “don’t shit where you eat.” Another one that is off limits. And there’s the vaguery of sexual harassment if the man is not already attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:01 PM
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It’s funny how people say “clubs/bars aren’t real life” and “online dating isn’t real life” and “women don’t want to be bothered at the gym, grocery stores, coffee shops” Where the heck do you expect people to meet?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 01:55 PM
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Get into voice acting and dubbing anime shows. Use that skill to snap up a cute anime-loving girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 01:50 PM
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I'm kind of like your husband. 3-4 times a week is pretty good for me. However, I'm horny more than that. It comes and goes throughout the day, probably 3 or 4 times, but I'm working or taking care of kids, so sex is not an option. What I would welcome during those off times is flirting, sexting, sharing nudes with my partner, sharing hot porn links that she's watching as she's getting herself off while I'm at work, or discussing kinky creative exploration that we can try. And if she's busy, I'd…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:29 AM
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The argument for financial abortion and actual abortion can only be invoked once conception has already happened. The woman can also choose not to open her legs to a man who doesn’t want children. Especially if she’s against birth control. Women pride themselves in being super selective, dismissing large swaths of men as trash. But apparently, it’s too difficult to select a man who wears condoms or is vocal about properly raising a child if a pregnancy did occur. Can’t you at least be on the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 01:39 AM
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This
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 01:34 AM
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If you’re rooting for abortion to relieve pressure on the tax system, your argument could be used to justify mass genocide of low-income or homeless people. If you’re against abortion, and deadbeat dads don’t want to pay child support, the legal system would still have to find them and prosecute them, costing tax payer money. Neither option seems good.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 01:31 AM
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That makes no sense. No one ever rates people on a scale of how willing they are to tolerate bad behavior. Who calls themselves a "high value tolerater of bullshit" ? lol And what do you have to say about the women on OLD? Why are they even there? Are they ugly low-lives with no other options? If so, why are they so picky? Is it because there's an overabundance of shitty men that they don't want anyway? That makes no sense, either. Also, point to a study or a survey that says women on OLD tolera…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:20 PM
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The fact is that those women are not average. Now you’re claiming that women on OLD are all hot Chad seekers? Hardly. You know there are a lot of introverted women out there that don’t know how to socialize. You should make a profile as a man and swipe through women. Most are average at best and still seek a 6’ fit successful man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:49 PM
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Intelligent, kind, sexual. Many beautiful women I've attempted to date have a chip on their shoulder, you can tell they *know* they're beautiful, and tend to seek out and enjoy more male attention outside of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 02:51 PM
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PUAs are masters at manipulating women into getting what they want. I'd say they're not pilled at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 02:31 PM
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I honestly want to tell them that they should lose weight and actually work on their physical appearance instead of using filters and acting so entitled in their bio. ^ from the OP. And he hasn’t even said anything to those women. He wants to be able to talk about it on a forum, but that’s not allowed, apparently. My point is that it’s socially acceptable for women to tell a man directly that he’s too short or too scrawny. But a man can’t tell a woman that she’s too fat. It’s about the double st…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 01:50 PM
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You’ve never dated as a man. Women have no shame asking how tall a man is during the initial chat. They either immediately ghost or directly tell the man that he’s too short. This is what OP is asking to be able to do. Women bash men all the time for empty profiles, incomplete profiles, lying about their height, lack of smiling teeth pictures, hat-only pictures, and more. As well as pictures that don’t allow a full view of how tall, fat, or “scrawny” he is. Plus women are quick to use a height f…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 01:03 PM
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So women who bash short men have self esteem issues? Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:37 AM
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I love chubby women. Not as a fetish or because they’re “easier”. I like them because the feminine shape is typically more pronounced when there’s some weight (breasts-to-waist-to-ass ratio). Skinny women tend to be boxy and boyish. Too fat is also not good, since shape is lost. They become amorphous.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:34 AM
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Women say that giving out identifying social media and even a real phone number is unsafe early on. They also say they don’t like to video chat. [1] [2] And even if they do video chat. They’re not going to walk backwards to show off their real figure. Sounds like you just want to shit talk a man that has been catfished by angles and pretty faced fat women, by providing solutions that women aren’t comfortable with.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:25 AM
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I like that women can have a better eye for what is aesthetically pleasing. Not just for themselves, but for their home, their workspace, and other surroundings.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 04:14 AM
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Ha. Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 12:28 AM
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Yep. You just described a very narrow window. Not too close, not too negative. Basically just an acquaintance that you run into a couple times a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 10:11 PM
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Your male best friend will always want to fuck you. It only works when the man rejects the woman. Women want to maintain a harem of attention from men, and then expect a romantic partner to be ok with that. And then gaslight them by calling them insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 10:09 PM
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If you’re only able to chat with 5 people at a time and you’re only able to go off looks, you’re going to choose the most physically attractive people. That is the nature of how the app is designed. It is incompatible with female sexuality. Right. That's why I propose a dating app that would be text only for women. Where a man has to write out a few paragraphs of what he stands for, believes in, and wants out of a relationship. Perhaps allowing one foot in the door to tap into women's brains. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:16 AM
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It’s not insignificant but it’s not universal. I shouldn’t have to explain that 40% is still a minority. 40% is quite a chunk. And it's ever increasing. This Pew Research article has a lot of interesting data: 48% of 18- to 29-year-olds say have ever used a dating site or app, the share is 38% among those ages 30 to 49 and even lower for those 50 and older (16%). You can't quite call 48% of young people a "minority". In this MIT Technology Review, you can see that since the advent of the interne…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:59 AM
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men putting more effort into their appearance and their profile to attract the opposite sex ( skincare, makeup, fashion, grooming) Agreed on effort. Skincare, yes. Makeup, no (women find that too feminine). Grooming, maybe (that's a bit metrosexual, which pigeonholes a man to certain types of women, unless it's strictly beard grooming). I think the main one is that dating apps are suited to male sexuality and male sexual attraction and they are incompatible with female sexual attraction. I agree…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:28 AM
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Interesting points. I’ll reply shortly after dinner!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:45 AM
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I hear what you’re saying. But it’s not just men’s fault. Women have standards. Anecdotally, I have watched several of my single female friends swipe on dating apps. They swipe left blazingly fast and swipe right 1 out of 100 guys. I try to stop them to ask why they’re swiping left on a seemingly normal guy, they just laugh and say, “lol. not my type!” Maybe it’s subconscious now since they know there are 500 more guys waiting on the card stack, so they can afford to wait for the perfect prince,…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:44 AM
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Why does it matter how many women there are? 10 women would swipe 7% of the time. 100,000 women would swipe 7% of the time. Or are you saying that if women outnumbered men in OLD, that it would make men scarce, and provoke women to swipe more generously? I don’t think women would change their standards only because there are fewer men. But maybe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:16 AM
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Agreed. And what you describe sounds ideal to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:11 AM
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There are surveys that say that anywhere from 19% to 40% of US internet users are using or have used online dating apps. And 85% to 95% of households have internet access. Online dating is not insignificant. And women don’t give a guy 1 hour to talk if he doesn’t pass the 2 second physical assessment. OLD or IRL doesn’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:08 AM
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That can be true. Just like women who insist on splitting a date 50/50 when she doesn’t like the man, so the she doesn’t “owe” him anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 08:21 PM
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An interesting article on Tinder data. While men swipe right on 40% of women on average, this number is only 7% for women. The same source claims that women match with 33% of people they swipe right on, while men match with only 2.5%.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 07:30 PM
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Nice! Uno reverse for women having sex with Chad and making the beta wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 07:25 PM
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I’ve read the swipe rate in OLD is 5% and under. The 20% is a different figure claiming that women find 80% of men unattractive. No one is forced to settle, being single is always a viable option. The premise isthat people want relationships. Of course, if no one ever has to engage with the opposite gender then everyone is “happy”, and this sub is unnecessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 07:20 PM
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the type of women men here actually desire, it's not just an "average" woman. Men here (on average) want a woman who's younger, feminine, fit, with at least an average face. Average face, feminine, and not super fat. That is at least 50% of women. (Chubby is actually a good thing to a lot of men, myself included). Most women, otoh, want a tall, confident, ambitious successful man. That is a lot more rare. Even the overweight women want that. This is an "average" woman in the US: https://height-w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 05:40 PM
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Technically women, based on their desires. Since men are attracted to 60%+ of women, they have to work just hard enough to find an average or below average woman. Women are attracted to less than 5% of men, so they have to work extra hard to try to hook and tame the type of man they desire while weeding through what they call “garbage” men. (All of this is before the realization that most people have to settle.)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 05:10 PM
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Unattractive face, lack of height and confidence are the main disqualifiers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 04:46 PM
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Replace “sick” with “broke”, and you have how women value men. Breaking vows for selfish reasons is what humans do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 01:36 PM
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Correct. Women don’t generally date men that make substantially less.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 10:57 PM
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"relationship market value." Which is the only thing that really matters Tell that to women so that they go for uglier shorter guys that actually want to build a good family.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 10:56 PM
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The fast pass for the sexual marketplace. Like rich Disney people laughing at the horde of average folks waiting in line for Splash Mountain.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 10:47 PM
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So you have sex with mostly beta guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 10:46 PM
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They want "equitable" instead of "equal" but not when it applies to household chores. They expect that to always be equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 01:41 PM
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I can't think of any reason a woman would want to be surrounded by husky sweaty men. Sounds not only awkward and uncomfortable but probably a little scary. The hypothetical was a women-only country. You’d be surrounded by husky sweaty women. You sound like you think women are incapable of doing medium IQ work So you’re implying women are smarter than men and only desire intelligent jobs? That proves the point even further. I hate to break it to you. There are a lot of dumb women out there. … Als…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 11:01 PM
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Because women represent less than 5% of all workers in construction, roofing, welding, oil rigging, electrical, plumbing, car repair, etc... Women would probably need 10+ generations to learn and pass down the necessary skills to keep up infrastructure. Assuming they even have the interest and desire to learn those trades.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 10:49 PM
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Zero attention, zero intimacy, zero friends, is the definition of loneliness for anyone. Just because men can cope with it a bit easier than women, doesn't make it less shitty. It is actually worse because there's no free outlet like women have. Also, introverted men with a hobby, porn, and no friends are not happy deep down. They would rather have a compatible partner with whom to enjoy those things with. But they don't have the social skills to make that happen. And women quickly dismiss men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 10:18 PM
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He always focused on self-improvement never chased girls - he really prioritized his education, athletics (he was a D1 athlete). He has some Chad-like qualities but also has some very beta-like qualities. You found the dream. This is what women are looking for. The perfect blend of Alpha and Beta. The thing is that you (and most women) probably wouldn’t have given him the time of day if he didn’t have the Alpha/Chad qualities. Regardless. Congrats!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 01:16 AM
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The red-pill tells men to: Become independent. Become confident. Improve their physique. Have and execute a plan for success. Not be clingy. Not put women on a pedestal. Don't take on another man's children. Make money and have the ability to become a provider (if he wants a family). Seek women that are not an obstacle, nuisance, or a time sink to reach his goals. A blue-pill man could technically accomplish some of the above, but by focusing on women, their independence, confidence, and success…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 06:48 PM
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Yes. It’s definitely a compatibility umbrella. It’s an effective mechanism that women use to filter men. A well traveled man encodes a lot of positive traits: * the ability to pay for the travel. * the effort and forethought to plan. * the ability to endure and resolve unexpected events. * the ability to buy and wear clothing appropriate for the destination. * likelier to enjoy different weather. * likelier to enjoy different culture’s music, art, food. * the ability to speak or potentially lear…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:42 PM
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The genes are doing what they’re supposed to do but becoming bald at 20 is not seen as socially young.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 03:08 PM
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Do both men make the same amount of money? Or are you leaving that out so that women out themselves as being gold diggers?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:41 PM
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Yeah. This is basically the Reddit version of a TikTok trend… “Ask me what you bring to the table without asking me what you bring to the table… I’ll go first.”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:21 AM
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Perhaps evolution isn’t finished yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:03 AM
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Just to be clear, this statement isn't intended for those who hold overall, consistent conservative views regarding sex and marriage The only men that want to restrict access to reproductive health ARE those who you’re excluding from answering the post. Other sexually liberal men already support women’s right to contraception and abortions. So who are you complaining about? Are you just trying to rant against men who want a low body count woman using anti-abortion as the blame?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 07:26 PM
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Blue pill how? Blue pill men will happily take any woman. Wall or no wall. The red pill predicts the wall, which exists but it is not at a fixed age. A woman's wall depends on how attractive she is and who she wants to attract. A hot woman that keeps fit throughout her life, will likely command a lot of attention well into her 50s. This woman can demand high value men at any point, as long as they are older than she is, since women rarely date younger men. An average woman that does average thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 04:38 PM
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You're dating "sugar babies/sex workers" The word 'sex' is not mentioned in the OP. Even if it's implied that they're exchanging sex for money/support, those women still get to enjoy the sex they do have with him. Unless, of course, OP is hideous and the women are out partying and banging the Chads they really want to be with using OP's money.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 09:00 PM
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Maybe the pills have allowed women to clear their minds and improve themselves to where they are now? (/s) 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 07:44 PM
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Summarizing PPD in 7 words like a champ!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 07:28 PM
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Correct. Men can’t avoid women due to testosterone and the need for sex. I don’t deny that. But they can surely avoid them for LTR (MGTOW), which is the main complaint that women have toward men. I.e. wanted for sex with no commitment. You’re right that women aren’t “sent their own way”. They choose their own way. My point with this whole subthread is that most (if not all) women complain about men. Whether they’re still trying to find an adequate one, or they’ve given up and chose a tabby and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 07:26 PM
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Exactly. In other words, they were SENT their own way. It wasn’t their choice. Yes. They were sent their own way. And the will never re-engage or remarry women because it’s a raw deal. As well as try to warn others about it. That’s the actual meaning of MGTOW. Not that there are virgin men that were never interested in women to begin with. While there are women who complain about men for their failures Thank you acknowledging that. originally I’ve been referring to those who aren’t failures and …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 07:04 PM
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Yep. Inceldom doesn’t exist for women. MGTOW men are not all incels. Many are disgruntled divorcees who lost their savings, their home, and their children. Women don’t need to advertise their lack of sex since that’s not a thing. And women don’t need to complain about divorce, since they win out financially and are awarded child custody most of the time. So you’re technically right, there’s not a formal WGTOW group as a whiny negative ad campaign. But the cat ladies do still complain about men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 06:26 PM
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So they’re unwilling to settle and would rather be single? Sounds good to me. Yep. That’s fine. And I accept that women believe there aren’t enough men with whom to “settle”. But women still complain about that fact. They’re not silent. and… you know… actually STAYED AWAY FROM WOMEN 😂I would respect them the same way. We all know men can’t stay away from women 😊 And I propose that women can’t either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 05:51 PM
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There are lonely cat ladies who want families but can’t/won’t have them because they can’t find men that measure up to their standards. Those women do complain vocally about the quality of men. Calling all/most men trash. Even lesbians trash men. The women who don’t put down men are traditional women and maybe the child-free women who don’t need a man for anything but the occasional romp. And yes, the WGTOW sign exists. It’s called the: “I don’t need no man” strong independent modern woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 04:46 PM
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I’d be wondering if there’s emotional closeness there that he feels unable to share with me, and I’d absolutely question that. … talking on the phone everyday, hanging out alone, that’s a red flag to me. I agree but those things you mentioned can still be happening with an existing close female friend. I think an existing friend is even more threatening because they share closeness AND they have years of history. The friend always has seniority. To the point that if they had to choose between th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 01:32 PM
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Neither do old cat ladies. They can’t stop talking about how men are trash. Both groups have to justify their choice by trashing the other group.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 12:14 PM
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So when women offer genuine emotional/mental intimacy the automatically process that inherit affection as romantic/sexual love since men are socialized to have zero emotional intelligence. Emotional/mental intimacy is like 90% of a romantic relationship. Sex is icing on a fully connected relationship cake. You just don’t find your male friends attractive enough to give them that last 10%. Just because men aren’t offered many opportunities to enjoy mentally intimate relationships throughout their…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 01:53 AM
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Why does ‘new’ matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 01:17 AM
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What you haven’t considered is that some people become promiscuous later in life. E.g. men who had no game but later upped their confidence and finances and became more desirable, or people who were stuck in long sexless marriages, and now want to get it into their system.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 11:40 PM
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For women: I learned that they seek equality only for things that suit them. For men: That the dating experiences I’ve had are similar to what other men endure.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 10:58 PM
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With body positivity movements it's a better time to be a short king than ever before. The body positivity movement focuses primarily on women. There is no such thing as a short king positivity movement. It’s disgusting for men to judge women on their physical attributes but its perfectly acceptable for men to be judged on their height as a “preference”.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 10:51 PM
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I think "post-wall" can be split into two: Physical: Women who are starting to look like a grandma, drooping jowls, and have gained weight that they used to be able to keep off due to youth that was taken for granted. Mental: Overly independent, career-focused, "I don't need no man" attitude, and harsh masculine behavior. The opposite of feminine youth. I've encountered women with 1, 2, or both. To me, post-wall physically doesn't really matter if the woman is energetic, kind, feminine, and givi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 09:28 PM
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I'll get right on that, as soon as you provide a source for your claim that 98% of people are having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 08:48 PM
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I don't see why jerking off in of itself could cause ED. The main idea is that porn use creates unrealistic expectations that one woman can't possibly provide the equivalent stimulation of hundreds of thousands of porn women, with crazy fetishes and a million different body types. To the point where the man won't be able to get erect or even feel aroused with one monogamous partner, no matter how kinky she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 08:45 PM
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How about this one reported before the pandemic. Or do you not believe the GSS survey data either? Since 2008, the share of men younger than 30 reporting no sex has nearly tripled, to 28 percent. That’s a much steeper increase than the 8 percentage point increase reported among their female peers. Again, where's your source for 98% of people are having sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 08:14 PM
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I looked up some before/after surgery pictures of Khloe. She looked so much cuter before. So sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 07:27 PM
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It has nothing to do with “status” it’s about physical attractiveness It very much has to do with status. Taller men are statistically more successful. That is not a coincidence. Women know this subconsciously whether they work in an office or as a server in a bar. The narrative of "I don't care as long as he's taller than me" is only part of the story. A story rooted in the need to feel feminine and protected, but there is a consensus that women are primarily success seekers. That should mean t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 07:17 PM
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I agree for the most part. But I think it depends on the generation of the Hispanic woman. First and second generation Hispanic people still have one foot in marrying within the Hispanic community. As American values and desires spread like a virus, the woman or her kids will eventually move away to the suburbs and will want what Becky wants. A tall, successful, chiseled, 6'0+ guy with a beard. I think this is mostly socialization. Just like women no longer need men to survive in society, women …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 06:57 PM
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Great points. it would get on their nerves and make them feel uncomfortable, just as it does women. I can understand how too much unwanted attention can become annoying, frustrating, and potentially dangerous for women. But men want it anyway and see it as a net positive, since women can opt-in or opt-out in most situations. I used to date a woman who had a lot of gay guy friends. Whenever we went out to gay bars, they would hit on me a lot, and even more when they got drunk. Of course, I wasn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 06:35 PM
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I think this is it. Pixie cuts are fine but no hair or patchy hair is not feminine or attractive. Still not as common as short men, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 04:01 PM
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98% of people regardless of height will have dates, relationships, and sex… Source for such a high claim? Maybe that’s true if you’re referring to 98% of women? There are multiple sources saying that nearly 30% of men between 22-35 are going without sex and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 03:54 PM
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No 5’4” western non-Hispanic woman wants a 5’5” man. Women want men taller than them AND taller than other men. There is a subconscious effect for women where they need to be publicly proud of their tall successful man. That is, it’s also about perceived status, not just protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 03:45 PM
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Not a westernized Hispanic. They want what the white chicks want. A guy 5’11”+.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 03:24 PM
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It’s interesting that in order to bring a woman down to the unattractiveness of a short man, she literally has to be a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 01:59 PM
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Several reasons: Men want to be objectified, just like women are objectified by default. Men are visual and hope they're talking to a visual woman (rare, but they exist). Men are insecure about their size, because women will reject a micro-penis. Men with a large penis are confident, and want to make sure the woman sees that as an asset. The man is aroused (by you) and wants to let you know that. Women who respond well to dick pics are preferred. So it gets that out of the way quickly. The only …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 01:51 AM
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Cool trailer. But it still seems like a plain romance with a queen-like leader. Maybe this one for a more sexist approach? But it just mocks men. I'd like to see the opposite of Mad Men, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:32 PM
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Eventually it'll reach a critical point where women completely dominate in status over men and they will be have to be the initiators, pursuers, and providers. Someone should make a movie about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:23 PM
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No. Some people are ugly on the outside but hotter for sex because of how open/kinky they are. I'd 100% take a woman who was plain, ugly, and more adventurous over a hot vanilla Barbie.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 08:37 PM
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Friends for emotional support. Or go non-monogamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 08:35 PM
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Maybe for sex. Women in their 40s and 50s love young pups for a good dicking after they’ve had their kids and divorced their boring nice guy. Most women I’ve dated who want LTRs don’t take younger guys seriously. They pat them on the head at best, and at worst they see them as kids they have to teach.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 07:55 PM
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Women don't tend to abandon their partners just because they made of bit of money and can attract younger men.... Women’s currency is not money, it’s youth and looks. Women abandon men when they become more attractive through fitness or other means. They also abandon men when the man loses money. Also, women don’t seek youth in men, they seek success, which is not found in youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 07:46 PM
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He has enough money to justify cheating in his mind. Just like women when they are young and very attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 07:43 PM
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Congrats! I envy you and those who can find mutual obsession.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 06:54 PM
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He either adores me as much as I do him or he is not worth my time. That's a fine goal to have. I have it for myself. I still think it's rare because... No it isn’t rare at all. I’ve managed it a number of times. Sounds like none of them lasted. Mutual obsession that doesn't last is probably the honeymoon phase ending, where both people were faking interest due to NRE, with wishful thinking that they are who they say they are. But then it fizzles to find out you two weren't compatible after all.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 06:50 PM
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Mutual obsession can happen but it's extremely rare. Of course, anyone would prefer that. I'd still wager that relationships where the woman is more obsessed will last longer and be happier overall. As opposed to the relationship with the obsessed needy guy trying to keep a woman who sees him as unattractive. See this recent thread for reference.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 06:42 PM
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It will not encourage it. On the contrary, it is a luxury for a man to have a woman by his side that actually wants to be with him without expecting him to be a performance monkey. He will want to be around that energy instead of looking for it elsewhere. What will encourage cheating in a man, is a woman who doesn't find him attractive and traps him into a sexless marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 06:28 PM
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Agreed. When a woman chooses and is obsessed over a man, the man is guaranteed to be near the top of her hypergamy ranking. Given that men have fewer choices and are attracted to the majority of women (60%), the dynamic you describe will allow for the best type of relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 06:11 PM
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I only mention it from the perspective of a woman because we often receive the most criticism on this subreddit for not attempting this kind of relationship. The criticism is not that women won't settle for someone below their standards. The criticism is why are women's standards so high to begin with? The problem is the entitlement as if any level of "standards" should never be questioned. But when it comes to attractiveness on some level we just can't help it. Sure. Once an adult female is rai…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 06:06 PM
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Nice and direct. Do you bring it out, say nothing, and wait for him to point to himself, “for me? :)”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 12:57 PM
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I think women are more turned off by weakness and femininity in men over butt stuff. Women can sense that a guy is effeminate very quickly. A sort of Femdar. So I agree that it’s also easy for a man to detect a slut over a few weeks over observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 12:56 PM
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A man doesn’t need height to get status. He needs talent and confidence. A woman wants a man who has height OR status but preferably both. Only 3 out of the 4 combinations work for women: 1. YES. Tall and no status. 2. YES. Tall and status. 3. YES. Short and status. 4. NO. Short and no status. And for #1 women need some sigh that he will eventually get status. (ambition) And #3 has to be such an extreme status and a pretty face that she won’t be ridiculed by other women for choosing an ugly shor…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 12:40 PM
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There are many traits and behaviors but one in particular stands out… Nurturing soft love instead of pragmatic tough love.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 08:20 PM
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I like this definition a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 08:10 PM
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Aw. I read the title thinking that it would be people listing why they themselves have red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 01:45 AM
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Yeah. I think the whole (self-reported) 7 partners average for life is way too low of an estimate for young non-religious women. I personally know and have dated women who are easily in the high double digits based on watching their dating habits for a few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 11:00 PM
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Yes. Indirectly. I briefly dated a woman who used Tinder as a weekend hobby when she was single. She said she was always loyal within a relationship and she is very attractive so I didn't care about her body count. What made me reconsider was when she said that she had had 5 abortions. And quickly added, "if you ever accidentally got me pregnant, I'd abort your baby so fast! lol" (The lol was actually out loud.) So the combination of the thought of her getting dicked down every weekend as if get…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 10:59 PM
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you literally were wah wah-ing because men have to pay for their children's college... There's no wah-wah-ing. That was the traditional responsibility for a man with no crying allowed. Work 80 hours a week, if necessary. A man only got a quality woman if he was a good provider. Now that's all out the window, right? if we make our own money what are men for? men refuse to provide emotionally. Now you're moving the goal posts. Stay on topic. Sure, men should strive to provide more emotional suppor…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 10:17 PM
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still doesn’t change the fact that comparing pregnancy vs money is incredibly dumb Sorry. Didn't mean to ignore that part. No, it's not dumb. It is precisely the reason why women are biologically hardwired to pick the best mate possible. Traditionally, women needed to select the best man that would protect her during pregnancy as well as the vulnerable years of caring for offspring. It used to be for actual physical protection from the elements and other creatures. In modern times, that translat…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 09:19 PM
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the fact you’re assuming the men is paying for everything????? Yes. The assumption is that a man will pay for most if not all of the cost of raising the child from 0 to 18 even without tuition. That is a traditional expectation. It's also a traditional expectation that a man shows initiative and asks the woman out AND pays for all dates. do women suddenly not work anymore??? Yes, women work now. Women say that they make their own money, want equal partnership, and equal effort of raising childre…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 08:51 PM
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the vast majority of fathers do not pay for their children's college education Source? Though intuitively that sounds right, especially since student debt is out of control. But doesn’t that also imply that the “vast majority” of mothers do not pay for their children’s college, either? Way to bias it against men. Also, why are you ignoring the other $300,000 needed to raise a child from 0 to 18 ? the vast majority of women in relationships also work Yes, women work more now. Even more reason to …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 08:42 PM
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Oh if there were more men like you described women would split without thinking ❤️ Understood! If women say they would split first dates for more well put-together men, then we're going in the right direction. Cheers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 06:34 PM
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A man who expects to split on dates deserves a female version of himself. So if a man is clean shaven / trimmed beard, fresh haircut, smells good, dresses up nicely with nice shoes, nice watch, drives a decent clean car... can he expect the same from a woman? Does he still have to pay to get this female version of himself or does he get a woman that shows up with baggy jeans, t-shirt, hair unwashed under a ballcap, no makeup, and a junky car full of dog fur? (personal experience) And women don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 06:25 PM
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It's a combination of hope and too much perceived choice. For women, swiping is like putting in a penny into a slot machine over and over and hoping to hit the jackpot. For men, it's like being a zombie roaming the streets of Walking Dead. When he sees a woman, he slowly moans and groans towards her hoping she doesn't run away and thinks he's a real human.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 05:57 PM
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So men's money pays for shaving, dresses, lingerie, makeup, heels, shampoo & conditioner, and selfish one-sided orgasms ? Sounds like he's paying for a prostitute. Split childbirth? In exchange for 9 months and the effects of pregnancy and delivery, the man pays for 18 years of upbringing + college. Roughly $310,000 in 2022 without tuition. I can't imagine in 2040.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 05:52 PM
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I'll just put on some jeans and sweater, wash my face and that's all preparation. Frankly, that would be ideal. I'd rather see a woman in her natural state and not a dolled up actress playing a part. And I will treat him like a male friend and talk accordingly w/o trying to prove myself I am a worthy woman to him. Less pressure for both people that way. Since he already didn't prove he is a worthy man :) You hooked me at the start. Now that's just objectifying and reducing a man to a wallet. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 05:43 PM
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Assuming no one is rich... Men should pay for modest non-dinner first dates. Then taking turns for second and subsequent dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 05:29 PM
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lazy entrepreneur Oxymoron much? Lazy people don’t make money unless it was inherited. Maybe if she’s retired from her hard work in earlier life, and is now lazy, but then she’s probably older. Shy, mellow, intelligent people can make money in tech. But there aren’t a whole lot of women in that group. It’s growing though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 04:42 PM
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What a great story. Congrats on your relationship. He’s lucky to have you. For the people in the PPD bleachers, would you have considered him an incel before he met you? Assuming he’s not tall, athletic, and successful which usually implies a man who isn’t shy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 04:30 PM
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Good point. Dominant men can delegate and still be in command.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 04:18 PM
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Then you’re probably familiar with topping from the bottom. I’ve been with many flavors of dominant and submissive women. I’ve definitely experienced the contrast of passive dominant women who expect the submissive man to pamper her and run the show. And plenty of submissive women who want to actively direct every interaction. Regardless. I agree with you in general. Just wanted to point out some nuances. And I don’t want to disagree too much with a fellow kinkster. /high-five
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 04:17 PM
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That's a lovely story. My question would be, what attracted you to him?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:57 PM
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Agreed. It wouldn't change the type of men that women are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:55 PM
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lol. If you think dominance & submission are binary you don't know what you're talking about. There are people who actively seek to be submissive and make it well known, even commanding how they should be treated. And there are people who are passively dominant, silent most of the time, hold power over others in a restrained way until the submissive needs to be put in their place. There's a whole spectrum in actual BDSM and it spills into the real world. Regardless, I don't believe the word "pas…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:51 PM
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A woman's career credentials are not a red flag or a green flag to a lot of men. Her looks, sexuality, and easygoing demeanor are what matter. I have been rated a 5-6/10 and do not get many matches on dating apps or much attention in real life. A 5 - 6 rated woman is a great catch if she is kind and easygoing. And she's not a workaholic who talks incessantly about her job. The less attractive women have to work just as hard as many men do in the workplace, if not harder, just to get by. Her part…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:28 PM
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When you’re tall you just get used for sex unlike women under 5’7” Plenty of people get used for sex regardless of height. So that’s irrelevant. Nowhere have I heard or experienced that women under 5’7” are guaranteed a relationship on height alone. However, I have known plenty of women who remain in relationships with asshole guys solely because he’s 6’2”+ and “cute”. The rest of your post screams insecurity. But at least you’re not belittling short guys, like women do on here. Why do you want …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 11:28 PM
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Likely a much higher percentage than in-person escorts. Modern numbers are hard to find. But here’s some food for thought: The professional porn industry is ~$97B. There are 1.7M OnlyFans content creators and rising. Mostly female 69% (giggity) Hundreds of amateur porn is posted daily by willing unpaid creators. There are hundreds of NSFW subreddits on here with thousands of daily posts by amateurs and professionals. There is also a campaign to de-stigmatized and normalize sex work. And then the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 08:52 PM
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