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"It mean he has no sense of adventure"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 07:49 PM
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But it happens. That and strange red flags like "he won't cross the street if the light isn't green" (had an IRL friend say that to me for why she rejected a guy).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:34 PM
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I think that's cope. They're not lying because they believe it's true, even if it is not. They became used to it and realized this is as good as they're going to get, so as a psychological defense mechanism, they convinced themselves that this is awesome actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:30 PM
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It is an instant yes-or-no from women as well, and if it's a no you cannot turn that into a yes. It's just that you can turn a woman's yes into a no with more interactions with them. "The ick" is the example of this. They find any minor reasons to turn a yes into a no.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:28 PM
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Yep, one reason society as it's now structured is gynocentric. Men can't even have standards like "be even one day younger than me" or "be capable of getting pregnant" or "don't be morbidly obese" without getting yelled at. Women can demand a man over 6 feet tall who makes $150k, even when they work at Dollar General and have 4 kids by 3 men and people never tell them to set their sights lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:05 PM
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Dating apps meant that for the first time, women had a nearly endless stream of men who were totally willing to have sex with them that wasn't limited by their existing social networks. Pre-internet, you basically had your friends and family and everyone they knew and any social clubs/organizations you were a part of, and that was all the men you could possibly meet. Now, basically any young man in your general area is an option. It turned hypergamy up to 100.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:40 AM
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Takes two to tango. If they don't get this, they're going to turn down men for arbitrary reasons and think (falsely) that he'll have as many opportunities as they will to find someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:38 AM
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People will deny up and down that the 80/20 rule is right or anything even close to it could be true. Women are just slightly less horny than men, to hear most normies talk. They're just being more cautious about sexual assault but they very much want the same general amount of sex. They'll point to how not-top-20% men eventually do get laid/partnered as proof it isn't right. Everyone kind of intuitively grasps that 80/20 being true would be wildly unfair and show women have no interest in the v…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:35 AM
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That's just it and WHY there is a red pill to begin with. Women cannot understand how someone cannot be desired unless something is seriously wrong with them. They get desired just for existing and being a normal person, so they assume that's how it is for men, but it's just not. A man can do everything right that's in his power to do and STILL not get play.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 02:44 AM
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Okay but you see how the average men date average women? Chad can fuck as many women as he wants, but he can only marry one (legally and ethically normatively, anyway). Women who are average looking eventually have to settle once the carousel dries up around age 30, and they settle for men around their same MV.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 02:34 AM
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Because monogamy is still the norm, women who aren't the top 20% generally do not get married off to Chad. He'll fuck them if they're available, but he's not going to wife them. The Wall happens both because women have a limit on how long they can reliably get pregnant and because most people who will get married in their life tend to do it between 25 and 35 and it's rare beyond that. Men want to have children, so they tend to pick younger wives who can guarantee them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 02:31 AM
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It p much does. The only benefit for the man is the slight tax advantage while he's married. It doesn't guarantee him access to his children if the marriage goes south. It makes him gamble half his stuff that a woman will love him until one of them dies. It only barely proves the kids are actually his biological offspring (and there are other ways to prove that now).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 02:22 AM
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It does seem like things have changed MASSIVELY in the past 10 or so years, in the era of dating apps. Covid also majorly changed things in ways we probably don't understand yet, probably in taking away/pushing back the other ways to meet people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 02:19 AM
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Plenty of women in their early 20s already have kids of their own and it's not unheard of to have a nanny who's that age either. IDK where you're getting the idea a 23 year old cannot raise a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 11:30 PM
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Indirectly as in "not because they did anything to help, it just happened around them"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 08:32 PM
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Oh wow, haha, holy shit. No, girl. EVERY man on the planet would want to date a woman in her early 20s. No matter how old they are, men's prime age for women is basically 18-25. Women older than that only get picked because there are too many men women that age won't entertain and men have to go for their second choice. The good news is you'll age out of this and be undesirable in 20 years so I guess ride that carousel while it lasts and hopefully lock down someone you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 08:22 PM
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Nah, men built basically all of society and women benefitted from it indirectly. Any building you see on the street? Very good odds it was designed and assembled entirely by men. Roads you drive on? Very likely paved by men. Train tracks/power lines/sewer networks? Men again. I also meant "We've built society" as a commentary on recent trends in the US, where women have had a lot of social capital and have intentionally shifted things this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 08:19 PM
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That'd just be age inappropriate for me. It's not my fault that society shifted a ton before I was born.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 08:16 PM
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Oh buddy. They hate the (apt and accurate) analogy of women as employers and men as employees. They know that's an entirely unfair power dynamic where one side can dismiss the other far more easily than the other, and they know what it's like to search for a job for months until you eventually take what you can get, but cannot apply that logic to dating because it would mean (dun dun DUN) men actually have something worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 08:08 PM
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We all have to recognize that women born in the past 50 (and especially the past 30) years have been raised since childhood to think they're special and they deserve a lot and they're beautiful no matter what they look like and this inevitably goes to their heads and they think they actually are a lot more beautiful/smart/wealthy than they truly are. Nothing like this has happened for men. Boys are left to rot and are told "your SMV/RMV is only what you can get" or "if all your relationships hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 08:04 PM
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That's entirely fair. I feel a lot more sympathy for people who are homeless or living in their car than "I make $40k a year and don't think I can ever buy a house". I feel some sympathy for the $40k guy and none for "We can't afford to go to Ibiza this year because we're having the guest bedroom remodeled instead."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 08:01 PM
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The only real disadvantage women have now is they aren't as strong as men (and the risk of assault that gives them). We've built society so that they get EVERYTHING ELSE far easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 07:52 PM
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Good news is, there are very few single fathers for anything but truly sympathetic reasons. The woman has to be dead or so impossibly fucked up (drug addict/child or elder abuser/actually put in jail as a woman) that it makes perfect sense you'd never leave a child in her care.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 07:44 PM
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I think the problem with single moms is that they're pre-owned cars, so to speak, and may not have been super well maintained. They're single for a reason, assuming they were married to the dad before. It's not always going to be sympathetic reasons like abuse or him dying/running off with no trace. Sometimes women just suck to be in a relationship with and she'll bring that to the relationship with you. That and if she has kids with a previous man, he's likely to come back at some point to deal…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 07:42 PM
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Yeah, if there's one thing that truly turns me off about even the best feminist theories, it's the biological essentialism in it all. "Women cooperate with each other because we're heckin' wholesome 100 UwU". Give me a fucking break.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 01:53 PM
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You still risk getting knocked out or jumped, just not SA'd. In fact, say another of the conditions is that the "men mustn't hit women" rule no longer applies to you. The point is basically that you'd have the life of a hetero man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 01:51 PM
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The original question is just vague enough that you can hope the bear will avoid you. If the space were a bit tighter, say a boat in the middle of the ocean or a 10x10 room, absolutely no one thinks the bear is safer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:37 PM
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Not a bad idea. Avoid being alone in a room with any woman you aren't actively dating/married to. At least then you've got "but you invited him into your house and into your bedroom, he reasonably took that as consent" going for you? You need at least one other person there, preferably a woman if it's just one, to cover for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:34 PM
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I'm saying nearly all the times men are raped by other men are either boys being abused by family/teachers/clergy, disabled or elder men who can't reasonably escape or fight back, or in prison as part of the supposed punishment of going to jail. If you're an adult man (and not disabled or in jail), you're almost never even slightly at risk of being raped. You're more likely to get mugged at gunpoint or killed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:29 PM
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Even then, a lot of them pick the bear because "the bear will probably just leave me alone (note: it absolutely will not if you're right next to it for hours, no matter how meek the bear is)" or some le epic edgy "but I won't have to carry the bear's baby to term in 27 states" zinger.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:24 PM
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Dependent on how much they can get, but I'd say 90% of the time it's offered to them or more. Nobody ever has to know and one-night stands with even someone pretty gross looking can still be fun with little risk to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:16 PM
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It's a lot cheaper to buy a house in Lincoln, Nebraska than to rent a 2BR in New York or Boston.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 09:25 PM
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My life is worth more than $1 million to me, doesn't mean I don't think that's a bad prize for anything. I'd feel very proud for doing something that got me that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 09:24 PM
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Gotta say, if you or he weren't super religious, and you didn't get married before age 22 or so, I'd think someone is a real loser for being a virgin on their wedding night. Like, not even once to see how it felt or to prove he could get a girl to like him if he tried. There's "low libido" and even "depression" where you may not want or be close to getting sex much, but never having had sex before gets to be really sad at age 25 or so. Again, if he was/is super religious and thinks sex is only a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 09:21 PM
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Tax advantages, legal benefits, and convenience. Married filing jointly taxes are lower than separate single returns and have larger phaseouts. People will assume a long-together couple that live in the same home are married. You have the right to see your spouse at any time in the hospital or a care facility. You automatically inherit all your spouse's property when they die without even needing to designate it to go to them first.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 09:06 PM
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We do need to end hypergamy. The carousel needs to die.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 07:53 PM
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Not how anything works. If I drunkenly sell my house for $5, I still sold my house and can't void the contract. If I drunkenly write my job an email saying I quit, they're within their right to accept it and end my employment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 03:51 AM
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There really doesn't and guess what, testimony *is* evidence. Text messages proving you were with the alleged attacker at the time you said *are* evidence. Unless he somehow can prove that yes he was with you but you just hung out and watched a movie (even if that's the actual truth), then your recollection and evidence you were there with him is going to take priority over his saying "nuh uh".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 03:49 AM
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This is the same thing as simply believing the accusation makes someone guilty. No justice system can operate this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 03:44 AM
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You can't. It's impossible unless you bring around consent forms to be filled out in triplicate and notarized before every sex act, and that still doesn't protect you because she can withdraw consent to sex at any moment, even after the sex is completed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 03:38 AM
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My unpopular take is that "The Implication" from Always Sunny is indeed valid consent, even though the woke writers try to make Dennis seem like some monster for it. Doing something you don't really want to do because you don't want to have a tough conversation or sit with things being awkward for a while or have anxieties about what might happen if you say no isn't actually being forced into it. Note he insists more than once that if they say no, it is actually a no. That's respecting consent. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 03:35 AM
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There's also the whole issue that DEI consultants, which all Title IX coordinators and campus feminists are don't get it twisted, would be out of a job if anything ever got better and so they have to keep inventing issues to justify their positions. "Drunk sex is rape" is an example of this that has gone so far now that men are afraid to have sex during high school or college.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 03:28 AM
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Driving while intoxicated doesn't get you off the hook for manslaughter or property damage, even if they happen to you. Most people would say it makes it worse, because you shouldn't have driven while drunk in the first place. You're responsible for the choices you make while drunk, even if they're bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 03:24 AM
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But it kinda doesn't make sense how she can be as noble and aligned with your values as OP says and like you a lot even beyond initial infatuation or looks-based attraction and you not feel anything. You can not "click" with a 10/10 because you realize beyond the looks that you have nothing in common really. That makes sense. If you're on the same page as to values/interests/personalities, then I don't get how you can't have "chemistry".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 11:31 PM
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If she feels there is then I'm not going to argue. If she's as attractive and as good as you say, why wouldn't there be a connection? "Chemistry" isn't real. It's a nice but vague way to say you aren't attracted to someone in a way that doesn't sound like it's their fault. Mainly women (but occasionally men) use it to dump someone politely. It's like when a job says "not a good culture fit". Means nothing, really, but sounds better than "we don't like you for inexplicable or very bad-sounding re…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 11:28 PM
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Yeah fr. The success stories of even just "two people get together and stay together for their whole life and actually love each other to the end" are so rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 11:10 PM
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Rule 1. Be attractive. Rule 2. Don't be unattractive. Rule 3. At least three odd-numbered moons of Saturn have to be obscured behind Saturn or another planet from your vantage point and the minute or hour on a 24 hour clock or day or month number of when you begin coitus must contain a prime number.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 10:53 PM
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Even when confronted with math, you say it's emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 06:05 PM
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But then you go out and don't say hardly a word to anyone and then go home and feel like you wasted your time and nobody wants to talk to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 05:46 PM
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Bumble had to remove the "woman must message first" feature because they just will not do it. Bumble women also collect matches from people they aren't actually attracted to just to validate that they are attractive, or will send something like "hey" just to get around the filter. It just doesn't work IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 05:30 PM
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Tinder killed it. The red/black pills are dropping faster than anyone can keep up. Men see the odds stacked against them and give up rather than get rejected over and over and still lose to Chad in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 05:04 PM
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Because men don't really ever get that sort of reassurance. The stereotype of "what's so bad about catcalling? I remember a woman saying she liked my hair 3 years ago and it's great." is the example here. Men are almost NEVER told they're desirable by basically anyone and the only way to know it for sure is to have a woman choose to go out, have sex, and then stay in a relationship with you. That's the only proof you have and if you can't get it, then you start to think something is wrong with y…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 04:48 PM
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One boost (to both sides, I think) of large cities is that people wait longer to get married and have kids. It's not weird to be single and childfree at 30 in New York or DC. Who could afford a kid and housing to keep them in even if they wanted to have one? Daycare is $1,000 per kid per month. Good luck with that. It's basically being an incel old maid in small-town Texas.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 04:27 PM
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You didn't even read that did you? Once you get what you think will make you happy, it's suddenly not enough and you're bored of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 04:22 PM
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It's also just statistically wrong to pick the bear when you know what "per capita" or "Bayes' theorem" mean, but pop off about how your fear of men is valid because some men truly are dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 04:08 PM
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OKCupid graph. Men rank women along a normal distribution, most are near average with only a few at the very extremes. Women rank 80% of men below a 5/10. If attractiveness worked as deciles, so 10% of men fall into each ranking, then that still wouldn't work. Women's self-reported attraction is skewed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 04:06 PM
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Talk of the male loneliness epidemic is based on how many close friends men and women report having at a set age. Men objectively have fewer friends than women of the same age/marital status/income/area. It's also about the nature of men's friendships with each other. They're just not like women's friendships. Men are usually friends to *do* something together and don't really spend a lot of time talking about their troubles or concerns with friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 04:03 PM
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All of those are empirically backed up (to greater or lesser extents, but still). The closest to emotions, since they don't really purport to measure anything objective, are gynocentric society and "chemistry isn't real". 80/20 rule is just a fact. Look at any dating app.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 03:58 PM
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Therapy for PTSD often involves cognitive or dialectical behavioral therapy where you learn to say that your fears are not real and challenge yourself to respond differently to a stimulus that would give you flashbacks. "Ignore the feeling" doesn't always mean "keep doing what you're doing".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 03:49 PM
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Worse. They think dreams they *know* they were dreaming are reality. It's not even "I have a bad feeling about this", it's "I know my brain just made this up among a lot of other nonsense but I believe it anyway".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 03:44 PM
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You care very much. People will not shut up about what Andrew Tate says. He's not even red-pilled, he's on something else entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 06:58 PM
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Feminism was needed back in the early 20th century but it's really just turned into favoring women over men in EVERYTHING. Even the supposed wage gap (which isn't a problem, if you work less you're going to be paid less) just isn't there or has even REVERSED for young professionals in large cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 04:47 PM
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I think a girl did that to me as a shit test. She specifically picked one of the steepest trails around and I got so winded doing it. It was her way of seeing if I was fit enough to hang.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 03:42 PM
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Right? I'm less welcome there than a bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 03:41 PM
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Going through this rn. If the main person interviewing me is female, I pretty much assume I'm not getting the job. If the main person interviewing me is male, I stand a chance and often get the job. Women have such an obvious and unchecked in-group bias that it's not even funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 03:35 PM
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I *don't* care what Whoopi Goldberg thinks about men. I *do* care that she can say this stuff and it's barely even mentioned outside red pill communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 03:32 PM
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For someone with the "self esteem pill", you really think it's healthy or normal for someone to think "yes, I am more dangerous than a wild bear" as if that doesn't speak to an immense amount of self-loathing?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 03:18 PM
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Disability I can maybe give him. Some disabilities aren't easily seen and people may overlook you being deaf in one ear or having a permanent limp or Celiac. Autism, nah, they only ever date other autists or they're single for life (not that they usually care about that).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 03:17 PM
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Sure, and I'm not out there dating people who are so profoundly disabled they can't talk. Sounds pretty rapey if you think that's okay or romantic. As for elderly people, everything is in comparison to what else you could get on the market. Most older men an older woman could get will eventually need ass-wiping, so there's no real benefit to picking one and if he dies, you get all his stuff as payment for sticking it out. No one is ever in a spot where most of the other partners they could get w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 03:09 PM
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Not all or even most men were called off to war. Very few were. The draft age was like 18 to 29, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 03:07 PM
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"Equality for women" isn't a joke but men only play along with it in the hopes of signaling their virtue over men who don't say it. They don't stand to gain anything from it, so it's not direct self-interest, but they wouldn't support something that didn't help them at all either. "Looking better than the chuds" is the only remaining reason to support it. There's also the point that women have as many rights as they have now only because men permit them to have those rights. If men stop being so…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 03:06 PM
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It's nearly always B and the ulterior motive is "spare coochie, ma'am?"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 04:23 PM
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Legit how? Heiress situation like I said? I don't get why a woman who makes several times your income would give you the time of day. You *might* land a woman who makes twice what you do, maybe, but that's about the limit. I can see a woman doctor and a male electrician maybe getting together as an outside chance. Every other time, nah, they usually make about the same or the man makes more money. Most women (obligatory NotAllWomen) are turned off if a man makes significantly less than her. I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 04:22 PM
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Yeah. This one got me. If all women disappeared, we'd have some difficulty but society would keep ticking along basically normally until we run out of babies and society dies out. If all men disappeared, women would be in the stone ages in 24 hours because nobody would keep the power plants or water running and they'd start beating each other to death for hot meals in a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:56 PM
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Rich men will just pile up money in a savings account or go for the high score on Money by making risky investments all day, basically gambling. They only buy nice stuff like houses or cars or furniture or clothes or vacations to impress women. Women will wonder how a young man can live in a rundown studio apartment with just a mattress on the floor, one recliner, and a TV on an Ikea table that cost $20, but that's because they are legitimately *happy* that way. To the extent men ever buy better…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:43 PM
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Looksmatch exists. Bankmatch exists. Poor people date other poor people. Middle-class or wealthy women will NEVER date a poor man. They come to expect things to be at least as good as they were when they were a kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:40 PM
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Yes and no. I have a decent apartment with no roommates because I know that's the price of entry to even consider having a girlfriend. I wouldn't mind living with roommates or at home into my 40s if that weren't the number one turnoff for a woman. After age 30 (a few outliers like New York/London/San Francisco excepted), that's basically a 100% block on ever having a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:36 PM
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Do you mean sentimentally/emotionally? Sure, I get that. If you mean economically, then unless you just so happened to land the heiress of a steel company or a high-ranking banker's daughter, no way that happened. Almost zero women add significant monetary value to the relationship. Most people date around their looks and around their income and women are far less likely to date down on either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:30 PM
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This. Men don't get pregnant or have to pump milk and even a couple years out of the workforce cuts your income a lot. The way daycare is now, it often doesn't make sense for the lower earning spouse (usually the woman) to work just to pay the babysitter, so they're out of work for even longer. The wage gap is the market pricing in the uncertainty/expected lost value of a woman leaving her job for at least a year, if not longer, when she has kids. Saying it shouldn't exist or you have to pay eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:25 PM
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I feel this hard. I save up money and for what? Like, I barely want to live to be 40 let alone 80 and unable to walk or stop shitting myself. Buying trinkets or "experiences" gets pretty hollow eventually. Women/chads just do not get how awful it is to be alone with no prospect of that ever ending because they know that if they truly want SOMEONE so they don't feel alone they can get one pretty easily. An average or less man is in a relationship with whoever he gets because it's his only viable …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:19 PM
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Right? No man actually thinks he's more dangerous than a bear or that it's reasonable for someone to assume that, they just know the social rules and figure it's not worth arguing against that. They signal their virtue to others by saying the politically correct thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:10 PM
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Not to be crude, but uhhhhh, yeah. I have friends if I merely want to talk to or hang out with someone. Only reason I'd pursue a woman for dating or a relationship is for access to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:08 PM
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Even that is still just world fallacy, particularly if you say that when it doesn't happen then it means you're a bad person or you need to hit the gym and shower more like EVERY person tells a man who cannot get laid. There's no gym for your face. There's no gym to get rid of disabilities or autism. You really are just fucked sometimes by things outside your control and applying "anyone can be middle-class if they work hard enough" logic to dating is absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:06 PM
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Steer the conversation towards their point of view. Seem less obviously biased.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:02 PM
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That's a good summary. Blue pill/feminism for men is a luxury belief. They can say it all day and it doesn't hurt them because they've got theirs already. They're protected from dealing with the consequences of their beliefs. For men who don't just naturally know how to get women, feminism is cancer. It essentially robs them of their ability to find a mate or NOT be alone forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:01 PM
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He was lying and just had enough SMV to pull it off. Powerful and charismatic men don't *actually* believe feminist talking points, but they know it's useful to them if they say they believe it because women will feel they're virtuous. Even if they don't want sex, it's just abous signaling virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 02:56 PM
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Because they don't believe it and are simply saying things to get laid. They *can't* believe it except to signal their virtue to women. No man would legitimately believe this stuff about himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 02:51 PM
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And they arrest the johns if they get caught simply for doing prostitution. It's not legal. That's "the Nordic Model".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 01:35 PM
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"It's different when I do it" -ancient female proverb
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 01:31 PM
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It isn't fair to your partner to expect them to give up on experiencing a fulfilling relationship forever just because you fell on misfortune. If someone CHOOSES to stay with you despite all that, probably after years of marriage, then that's on them, but you can't be mad they wouldn't waste their time spending time with someone they are not attracted to anymore. You're so disabled you won't even know they've done it so no harm done, really. Only a woman could think she's just so special that ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 01:29 PM
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Men do not ever have a choice in if there will be sex or not. Even if he's Chad, even if she likes him back. If the woman says no, for whatever reason or none at all, then it's either accept that no or be a criminal on the run from the law and be kicked out of polite society. If the woman says yes, then sex happens. Women are the gatekeepers of sex. Just because some men have a much easier time in getting past that gate doesn't mean the gate isn't there or actually men have that power.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 02:57 AM
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It's like if someone refuses to sell their house for a penny less than $500,000 even though it's 900 square feet, 80 years old, in a dangerous area of Detroit, and has termite damage and bad wiring. No one is ever going to buy that for that price, so it just sits gathering dust and the owner never gets a cent for it. This is called "deadweight loss". If they made a rational market-clearing offer (of ~$100k at most), someone else would get a house and the owner would get some money rather than no…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 02:47 AM
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It's not the only thing they want but it's the main thing. They'll take looks into account some, but ultimately beta bucks is the reason the lower 80% of men aren't all single for life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 02:35 AM
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Sure, NotAllWomen. All women would absolutely do that if they felt they could. Some are just raised with conservative morals or realize by trial and error that they aren't actually 10s and they need to take what is right before them rather than pine for Chad until they're beyond the wall and have to settle for even worse and can't have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 02:34 AM
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It is miserable but c'est la vie. That is literally just being a man in a heterosexual relationship. Read some David Foster Wallace or Chuck Palanuik (who's gay, but he gets it). Men are utterly disposable in a marriage/family situation. All they are valued for is providing resources and if they don't do that, they get dropped like a hot rock. The woman gives him sex in exchange for this to persuade him to stay. Men only agree to this because it's better to be in a shitty marriage and have a cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 02:31 AM
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Yep, that OKCupid study is eye-opening. Men rate women's attractiveness about normally distributed. Most are around average and only a few are 10s or 1s. Women rank 80% of men below a 5/10 in looks. They think even an above-average looking man is a 4/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 02:19 AM
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Having a higher libido means you want more sex and are less selective about how you get it. Women are as picky as they are because they don't want sex very much and once or twice from Chad or their betabux husband is enough for them for the whole week/month. Men in a relationship will still beat off, because they want far more sex than any woman can provide them and it's frowned on to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 01:17 AM
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You mean least to most, right? Gay men fuck like rabbits for almost nothing as Grindr and bathhouses prove. Lesbians will move in on the third date (cue U-Haul jokes) and not have sex for months even when married.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 01:12 AM
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That's a case in point. If women truly wanted sex as much as men, dick pics would not be so wildly inappropriate and universally hated. Almost any man would accept nudes from a woman he was interested in who sent them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 01:06 AM
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No, even for Chad Thundercock, the woman is still the gatekeeper of sex. She just opens the door without even thinking about it for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 12:55 AM
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It sucks, but that's just the case being a heterosexual man. You are pre-rejected and you have to convince or trick a woman into unrejecting you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 12:53 AM
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She really does not. A woman who is under 35 and not visibly disabled or morbidly obese pretty much just has to text back and show up to an agreed date and she's already done everything she can do to make a man interested in her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 12:49 AM
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Yeah. It only very technically counts as sex in a way that using a fleshlight wouldn't. You aren't a great chef because you pay for a three-star Michelin dinner and you're not a Chad because you pay for even an incredible hooker.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 12:31 AM
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Not punishing the workers but punishing the johns is STILL making prostitution illegal. "It's legal for me to sell you weed, but it's illegal for you to attempt to buy it." Then weed is still illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 12:30 AM
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It is pretty shameful to visit a hooker. It's like admitting you cannot get ANY woman to have sex with you unless you pay her for the unpleasantness. It also does not count as being high SMV and probably knocks points off your SMV if people find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 12:27 AM
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How do you have a brother in law that you've known for 30 years if you're not married? Your lies aren't even believable. You're claiming a man who makes an off-color joke has to be monitored and can't be trusted around children. You alluded to SA'ing children.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 12:10 AM
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You can apply that to everyone who dislikes being stereotyped as dangerous. Again, assume I said "black man".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 12:07 AM
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"It doesn't take much to be in the top 20%" Uhh, yeah it does, because only 20% of people can, by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 09:25 PM
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Being not a whale and having less than 3n count *ARE* her values. They tell you how she takes care of her body and her relative pair bonding connections. You don't want a high count woman because she will CONSTANTLY think back on the 100 other men she's fucked before you and you're not going to be the best in bed AND the best looking AND the most caring towards her. You can be the best of 10 or 20 maybe, not 100.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 09:21 PM
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I've turned down job offers before, but it is still absolutely harder to get a job than to hire someone. You need a job to survive, they have 10 people who also applied and are reasonably qualified and won't really miss one person.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 09:17 PM
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Halo effect is real af. You think the Chads you know would never but a random man almost certainly would. You like these men so you ignore the, apparently, mortal peril of being near them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 09:03 PM
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That too. I resent being told "I think you are more dangerous than a wild animal because of your sex" and that I'm in the wrong for being upset at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 08:57 PM
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But it's not just the perma-single or radfems or lesbians saying "bear". It's *most women*.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 08:53 PM
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They have to either underestimate how dangerous the bear is or overestimate how dangerous the man is, or both. I think many women who grew up in cities probably think bears are like cuddly fat dogs who want to eat berries and catch fish and nap in a cave and aww isn't that cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 08:52 PM
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The reason you're supposed to pick the bear is either "the bear will likely leave me alone or kill me, but nothing else" or "men can hide their intentions better and trick you into trusting them and then they hurt you, a bear cannot." Of course your Tinder date is going to seem charming and likeable. That's the point of a Tinder date. That's also something serial killers are good at learning how to mimic to build trust. Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy all did that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 08:48 PM
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I wouldn't. Assuming you mean she turns into something the size of a normal earthworm and cannot talk or show human signs of intelligence anymore, no, I'm letting you go in the backyard and we're done. Hope a bird doesn't get you. If the worm still can talk/show sapience then I might keep her as a pet but we're not together anymore. If she's some Cronenberg abomination that's human size but shaped like a worm, I'm getting a shotgun. That's worse, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 08:46 PM
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Yeah, honestly, I'm not going to stay around for too long if they do that and it isn't some "wacky wizard curse that can be reversed if you go on an adventure" situation. If you're just a worm now, forever, bye. I'll tell people you died.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 08:40 PM
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Well, that's wrong pretty often, isn't it? A lot of women do get beaten and raped, by men they met through friends or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 08:27 PM
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Then it shouldn't be happening in couples under age 50 or so, right? They grew up after that was no longer the case and not given any cultural approval. Except it still totally does.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 08:22 PM
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Domestic violence is pretty damn high too. It's not all "my uncle molested me" or "my father beat me as a kid". A LOT of it is "the man I've been dating for over a year shoved me down the stairs" or "my husband raped me".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 08:20 PM
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But that doesn't work, does it? Most women who do get raped or abused by men, it's a man they already know. Similarly, women are very rarely attacked by unknown people while that's basically the only way men are attacked.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 08:18 PM
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Sure, dude, you get yours and that's all that matters, huh? It's a problem for the continuation of the species, and general social stability, if half of men are pretty much locked out of a serious relationship or get sex so infrequently that it might as well be replaced with prostitution. That many angry, horny men is not good for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 08:12 PM
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Yep. Women are NEVER told they need to improve themselves or their issues in dating were of their own making or they just aren't desirable to be around if they're single beyond 30/whatever. Men are CONSTANTLY told they aren't good enough and nobody wants them and it's your fault women don't want to sleep with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 08:08 PM
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So that encompasses the 20% of Chads and then, sure, occasionally the next top 60% may get lucky once a year or so, but that's not really a sign of "not struggling" or having a fulfilling relationship. The top *half* might even manage to land a GF but that still means half of men are going to go without except in very rare cases of pity/drunkenness/boredom.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 08:03 PM
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Okay, fine, NotAllWomen. Sure, some have their head screwed on and realize a random man being within 25 feet of them is not a life and death emergency like being near a bear. Still, my boomer aunt (still single at 55 btw) is sharing the bear meme.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:53 PM
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"At least the bear won't rape me and just rip my organs out piece by piece." "Look at what this one horrific man did and that's what I assume every man would do to me." It is feminist. It is gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:30 PM
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They think they're more dangerous than bears and are shocked when men don't like being called dangerous wild animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:13 PM
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Having sex once a year just to get your dick wet and avoid being a statistic is not much better than not having it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:07 PM
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You can say men are as dangerous as wild animals and that's fine. You say "women have unrealistic expectations for relationships" and you get attacked.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:03 PM
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You definitely would pick the bear, amirite?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:01 PM
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Men be lying about how much they have sex. Who wants to admit they haven't had sex in months or years, even if it's true?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 06:54 PM
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Average men only have a shot starting around age 30 when the chads/stacys begin to partner off and settle down and have kids and the carousel dries up for median looking women. Women having a time-limited imperative to have babies and men not wanting to raise another man's child for free makes this happen, hence marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 06:53 PM
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Bro, switch your flair. This is just blue pill entirely. Also really fucking gross to act like only creepers and weirdos have disabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 06:42 PM
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Ironically, it creates toxic femininity where women think they cannot be in the wrong and anything they do is not that bad and if it was then it's not their fault and if it was then the man deserved it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 06:40 PM
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You're kidding right? Just this week the feminist talking point is that men are more dangerous than bears.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 03:36 AM
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I think this is because women aren't taught it's never okay to hit their partners. I mean that very literally not in the absurd "teach men not to rape" way. They also aren't deterred from hitting other women because they don't think they'll be hurt as badly in response. They would hesitate to hit a man in self-defense because they'd likely get put in the hospital, but they don't feel that fear about another woman. Women rely on the "don't hit girls" thing a lot. Once you see it, you can't stop s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 02:54 AM
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They'll state that police often don't take it seriously when a man hits a woman and then wonder why men don't report abuse, like there isn't a whole other level of not being taken seriously or shame working against a man who's been abused by a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 02:48 AM
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You can't be "objectively unattractive *to someone*". You're describing it being subjective. If he's average looking, *that's* the (more) objective appraisal. I tend towards thinking it does not matter if the woman finds the man unattractive but it *does* matter if the man finds the woman unattractive because he won't waste his time with a woman he absolutely doesn't want to have sex with and who can't do him any other favors/isn't family. The only time men have truly platonic female friends the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 02:43 AM
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You're so close to getting it. You encounter thousands of men in your life who do nothing with you or your interactions are positive. You almost never pass by a bear and every time is a fight-or-flight level terrifying experience. Take it back to NYC. Assume you could get on a subway full of 100 men or full of 100 bears and had to take it 5 stops to get to your job. We both know you aren't picking the bear train.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 04:41 PM
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Almost certainly. How many men you did not know did you pass by just in this past week? Did you get raped or murdered? How many bears have you passed by in your entire life?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 04:37 PM
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No. I'm not to blame for what other men did to you or any other woman. I cannot rape or beat women less than I do now, which is zero times in my life. You are calling me more dangerous than a wild animal on the basis of just my sex and then asking me to not do things I already don't do, again just because of my sex. Of course I'm going to be upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 04:32 PM
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"The fact that you don't immediately agree with me choosing the bear is why I picked the bear" "Do you think women don't know bears are dangerous?" "You should not rape and beat women even more. You're guilty for what other men do on the basis of your sex." "Actually, I'm just venting the concerns I have about men hurting me and not actually appraising the dangers of men versus bears like the question asked, and you shouldn't engage the question properly."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 04:16 PM
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Right? Have her wander into a bear cave. It'd be safer than going to singles night at a bar, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 04:01 PM
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I'm not responsible for what other men did to you or anybody. This is why the question is misandrist at its core. A man is not responsible for the actions of "men" on the basis of his sex. If you don't get it, assume I said "black man" and "race".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:59 PM
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"The bear won't rape me and that makes it clawing my stomach open and eating my organs in front of me better."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:57 PM
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Your first problem was expecting females to be logically consistent or take responsibility for themselves and not blame men/patriarchy for their misfortunes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:54 PM
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Opposite ends? Like a 10 and a 1? Nah. That's just too far. Supermodels do not hang out with burn victims. Decently far apart like a 3 and a 7? Yeah, probably, I can think of reasonably attractive women who are friends with dorky fat men from work or hobbies or their brother knowing him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:26 PM
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Maybe he's not tall but is he taller than you? *That* is the only real barrier for most women (unless they're very tall themselves and realize they have to get over that, but they usually just set their floor at 6 feet).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:20 PM
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Of course you think your brother isn't attractive. It would be worrying if you did (unless you're from Alabama, then that's normal).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:18 PM
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AF/BB. They may *eventually* default to unattractive guys because he provides them a good life and that's worth something too. Second-rate men usually hit their stride around 30 to 35 once women have hit the wall and can't land that 20% of most attractive men anymore. There is also looksmatch. Sure not every ugly guy is alone, because there are also ugly women who can't land the 20% of men if they tried (not for a serious relationship anyway).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:16 PM
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Tinder made the issue of making it seem like you have unlimited choice. You only know so many people IRL and only have limited options to meet new ones. Now any woman thinks there has to be "someone better" out there and will pass up a man she likes just fine because she believes something better will come along. It's the same issue with jobs. In the days before internet job applications, they'd hire you for having a good handshake and handing them your resume in person because they didn't think…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:09 PM
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They can't *actually* mean it or you're right, they would just hide in a bear cave. It's not a rational appraisal of the dangers of each. It's an emotional statement of her fear of men assaulting her that they then try to hamster with statistics (that they get wrong) and then attacking you for not centering her feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:53 PM
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He asked it (and edited/released the video with her answer) presuming which she was going to pick. If most women said "the man, he might simply ignore me and I can theoretically run/fight him unlike a bear", he'd ignore that and pick only the women who said the bear or just not release the video. He asked it to "raise awareness".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:47 PM
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Unfortunately, this is the only strategy that works. They're either desperate for a crumb of pussy or wish to signal very much that they want to protect women (which is a true virtue, don't get me wrong) but miss the fact that they're saying they're more dangerous than bears. The social costs of not either ignoring it or "haha men suck amirite ladies" are high.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:41 PM
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Yeah, all this does is make men who've never and would never harm a woman feel hurt that you think he's more dangerous than an actual wild animal that can kill you in one bite when he has never done anything to you or try and "validate your feelings" by taking on the sins of other men as his problem to fix. It does not make men who have/would hurt women even hesitate a little before doing that. If she already thinks you're as dangerous as a bear, why even try to be better than that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:39 PM
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You hamstered all that to come to the realization that women are the gatekeepers of sex. Yeah, any man would RATHER have a 22 year old but he can't have one just for wanting it. Everyone would rather have a mansion than a trailer but not everyone can afford one. Men have all the sex they can get. Women have all the sex they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:25 PM
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And they do it over the tiniest shit. I picked an answer at trivia once that someone else (a man) suggested and a woman got her feathers ruffled and said I was misogynist for not picking her answer instead when I didn't know and was listening to someone right next to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 12:57 PM
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