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Potential selection pressure towards dark personality traits is very bad news. Why depressed over potential? Also, there is a difference between fantasy and real life desire. . If you enjoy killing people you're sadistic and part of the problem. You replied to a comment about people playing computer games involving kiling. Do you believe the billions of people who have played computer games where they kill people are a problem? Also, do what do you think about people who watch movies and TV show…
/r/BlackPillScience12/05/25 02:16 PM
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If you want a truly depressing blackpill experience, go on Google scholar and look up "rape fantasies". Why is it depressing? I play computer games where I kill people, as have billions, is that depressing to you?
/r/BlackPillScience09/05/25 03:32 PM
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You literally just stated this... And it’s true. They don’t unless such men have looks, money or status In reponse to this... Not based on what I've seen online when I see the topic of misogynistic or egotistical men who complain about their struggles dating, their misogyny and egotism is usually pointed at as being to blame. "Women don't want to be with someone with your views/attitude" is what I've observed is pretty common. So you are mocking your own statement too. And if you are going to re…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 11:39 PM
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I think you lose the argument when you use the term “gaslighting”. That incorrectly casts intentional deception where there likely is none. I've no doubt there are some who are earnest, but I think a lot of people are probably gaslighting. I find it very difficult to believe (unless they have only lived in wealthy areas) they've never known serial cheaters, self-absorbed, neglectful men or people in an out of prison who have never had a problem getting women. And if that's so, how can they hones…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 10:51 PM
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I’m not trying to be condescending, I’m just southern. OK, I'll choose to believe it's a cultural difference then. My apology. I think you’re ironically calling gaslighting on one group while completely ignoring the gaslighting going on across the aisle. If we’re advocating for information and awareness here, let’s paint the full picture. Otherwise, what are we doing here? Because it's not productive to talk about everything. What you wrote sounds like Whataboutism. If you want to focus on that,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 10:36 PM
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Your OP is some reality TV show, and the show itself doesn't explicit push a pill narrative. If you read the rest of the OP you're know it speak about more than a reality TV show, and mentions the Red Pill and what motivates people towards the Red Pill. Also the verbiage of the Christian/atheist debate is very much taken wholesale into the pill debates: in fact the whole debate over the ulterior motives of the "nice guys" (only the core & beginning of all this pill nonsense) is whether good deed…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 10:23 PM
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Sweetie, the manosphere is gaslighting you. I don't know why you're being consdescending. (I'm slowly realizing it's pretty much impossible to have a reasonable and good discussion in this sub. Not only do most of you reply to posts without reading them, you then write arrogantly.) The point of this post is to help steer boys and men away from those people. This is what I wrote right at the start... (Disclaimer: I am not justifying any misogyny, nor am I promoting the red pill I'm just describin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 10:05 PM
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Point of my post (it's seems a lot of you can't get past Temptation Island); Do think women date a range of men of moral character? Or do you think IRL only virtuous men have success dating? Also, do you think that perhaps boys and men are partly motivated to listen to the manosphere because they aren't gaslit when they speak about their observations of women's behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:59 PM
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Did you just read the title? Since school, boys have seen highly self-absorbed and/or anti-social (in the clinical sense) boys have success with girls, and lot of men observe that pattern continues into adulthood. That observation seems to be denied by a large number of women online who say that if a man is misogynistic or emotionally neglectful, etc, then they they can't get women. Which ignores the large amount of misogynists or emotionally neglectful men who have no problem with women, like o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:56 PM
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Declaring it so doesn't make it true. Exactly what I said being in the OP that you can read for yourself makes it true. Not to mention both of the main pills borrowed a lot of the rhetoric and doctrines from the internet religion/atheist debates. Of course they would, they had plenty of overlap of membership after all. And a lot of Christian apologist borrow arguments from Thomas Aquinus who borrowed from Islamic scholars who included Aristotelian philosophy in their philosophy, so by your reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:53 PM
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The Red Pill is mainstream now, so are other pills. Also, a problem is debates between Christian apologist and atheists aren't relevant to my post. I mentioned the mainstream and redpill, and I did not mention Christianity and atheism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:45 PM
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Attraction is amoral and it says nothing of the woman’s character either. That's exactly what I've argue. Unfortunately some people seem to think it does, and then they think the woman "deserves" to get cheated on or abused. Just world fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:40 PM
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Benevolent sexism is not misogyny. It is in fact a great appreciation of women and yes it is very attractive. Let me clarify. IME of listening to people who promote benevolent sexism, they can have views of women that I don't think most women would like. .e.g women are less capable of being leaders than men, women who have sex outside of relationships/marriage have less value or are less capable of being partners and mothers, women shouldn't do contact sports or have visible muscle because it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:35 PM
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No, that wasn't the point. It's clear at this point you haven't read my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:29 PM
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The debates between Christian apologist and atheists about morality aren't mainstream culture, and has little influence on mainstream culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:23 PM
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I don't spend much of my time with career criminals or self-absorbed people and I never have. I'm not sure why you would choose to spend any time with that kind of person. I didn't go to a school as nice as your, nor have I lived in a area as nice as yours. A lot of people don't. Assholes get women, nice people get women, different women are attracted to each group. That's been my experience, anyway. It's annoying when people don't read my post, but respond anyway. I literally said the exact sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:17 PM
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I think bitterness is going to be the most unattractive trait, but I don't think misogyny won't be a problem, depending on location, the kind of women they go for, and how it's phrased. Benevolently sexist views when said through the narrative of chivalry tends to be generally still positive regarding by women. IME Andrew Tate is a good example, when he's just talking to men he is generally very aggressive, crude and mocking in how he talks about women. But when he is with women, he basically ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:15 PM
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For their views/attitude to be the casual problem, then I take it you don't think any body who is kind and respectful can struggle with dating? If you reply that looks, money and status is needed even if they are kind and respectful, then you are saying that their views/attitude doesn't matter, and isn't the cause of the loneliness or success.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:08 PM
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That's a claim you need to defend. Fair point, I don't know a single male that hasn't observed shitty men have no problem with partners. Let's turn to yours experience, because maybe it's different to mine and the men I've known (including violent career criminals)... In your experience you haven't observed self-absorbed or career criminals have no problem find women to sleep with or have relationships with? In your experience only virtuous men have success with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:06 PM
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I agree. However, my point was beyond this show (which I made clear in my post). There are plenty of misogynistic men who have no problem getting women or wives e.g. misgynistic rappers, the Tate Brothers, traditionalist conservative pundits, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:00 PM
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Not based on what I've seen online when I see the topic of misogynistic or egotistical men who complain about their struggles dating, their misogyny and egotism is usually pointed at as being to blame. "Women don't want to be with someone with your views/attitude" is what I've observed is pretty common.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:57 PM
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That's pro TRP. I haven't come across a TRPer (I do not base TRP on this sub) who says that women cheat more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:55 PM
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You didn't read my post... Whenever men discuss struggling with women and they espouse Red Pill views or adjacent views - or simply point out dysfunctional or frustrating patterns they see in women dating's habits - IME they are often told (this applies to this sub I've noticed) that their attitude towards/views on women is the problem. However, Temptation Island is a prime example of the kind of thing that many men have observed since their school days, namely that shitty men can have no proble…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:54 PM
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To date successfully, you have to have some morality. By some, what do you mean? I'm not going to say something ridiculous like you can't be horrible to each and every person you come across, every second of the day, because that is obvious. However, there are plenty of violent career criminals who have success.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:53 PM
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True. Your responses are don't address any my arguments though, probably because you don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:51 PM
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Honestly, if you read some replies from women on this sub (and whenever the topic of men struggling in dating comes up elsewhere online)... No. They often tell misogynistic or entitled men that their misogyny or bitterness is the reason why they are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:49 PM
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Why did you comment on this thread if you don't care? What was the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:48 PM
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It doesn't matter if you think this happens IRL, this post doesn't support that. You didn't read my post then... Since school, boys have seen highly self-absorbed and/or anti-social (in the clinical sense) boys have success with girls, and lot of men observe that pattern continues into adulthood.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:48 PM
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Just world fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:47 PM
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(I've watched the aftermath of this show, and what happened on the did happen according to everyone on the show. I don't think it was all lies. Reality shows can be heavily edited to suit a narrative, but that doesn't necessarily mean everything that happened is fake.) This discussion is beyond reality TV. The dynamics that happened on Temptation Island happen IRL, and most boys and men have observed that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:45 PM
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I'll repeat what I wrote to someone else; This discussion is beyond reality TV. The dynamics that happened on Temptation Island happen IRL, and most boys and men have observed that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:45 PM
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This discussion is beyond reality TV. The dynamics that happened on Temptation Island happen IRL, and most boys and men have observed that. Do you think that the women who get cheated on have abusive or neglectful partners IRL deserve it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:44 PM
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You argued that these women are often just missing red flags. I didn't say often I said... I'm sure many men and women, have seen blatant red flags in people that others have insisted seem like "good men" (or women), and then they seem surprised when they turn out to be bad partners despite us seeing the glaring red flag early on. And Perhaps some of the women who complain about the the "good guy" not being good weren't "good" themselves, as their definition of good is of a man that has major re…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 12:17 AM
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So for example, that credit stealing douchbag at work you hate isn’t “cruel”, he’s just shitty and selfish. That's a good example of what I meant by a shitty person, which you agree with. Regarding the rest of your post... Nothing you wrote disagrees with anything that I wrote. Do you think it does?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 11:15 PM
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Anyway recently decided to join a gym. As you probably know it's gonna require dedication for years as a natty (and I advise staying natty under 40), with a disciplined diet and bodybuilding program, but it sounds like that's what you need to do. I'll pass on a few channels that you might find useful... https://www.youtube.com/@BasementBodybuilding/videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puoOeoE5x6A Edit: If you want motivation I advise watching Physical 100 on Netflix, if you haven't already see…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 07:13 PM
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I think that’s what’s going on with you for you do consider her any kind of example of normal women. I'll repost what I wrote to someone else who mistakenly thought the same thing... I never said, nor intended to imply, that the average woman behaves like that. Not once did I mention that the average woman does anything that I've said. I'm specifically talking about possibilities regarding women who say they found a "good man" who turned out to be a terrible person. I don't think the average wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 07:02 PM
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I never said to specifically take advice only from men, nor did I say to take advice from any men. If you don't trust any man to give you good advice, then don't do it. I just advise finding some people to get feedback from, and to not rely on your own judgement if you have a track record of choosing bad men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:09 PM
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Getting attention and being "hot" are 2 different things. A 25 year old Miranda Kerr is likely getting a lot more leeway from the average man than average woman a man walks past down the street. Being "hot" lets men and women get away with treating people like shit, to a level an average looking man or woman likely won't get away with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:39 PM
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Who are you talking about as "the messenger"? The partner they are dating? If so, that's why I mentioned getting feedback from others (e.g.. friends and family). Not a good idea to only rely on your own judgement when you have a history of making poor decisions when it comes to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:36 PM
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You used an extreme outlier to make a point about how the average grown woman behaves. I never said, nor intended to imply, that the average woman behaves like that. Not once did I mention that the average woman does anything that I've said. I'm specifically talking about possibilities regarding women who say they found a "good man" who turned out to be a terrible person. I don't think the average women have that hard of a time, and that every ex partner they've had has been abusive, etc, I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:32 PM
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I think there is a negative bias on places like reddit whenever a man says something (and conversely a positive bias for women). I've seen people do tricks where they reverse genders of stories on Reddit and the men seem to get judged far harsher than women. I've seen the reverse being true in Red Pill/MGTOW/Black Pill circles though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:30 PM
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To graphically illustrate a point and capture attention. I clarified my point after the example.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:28 PM
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That's true for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:23 PM
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That's a 16 year old girl. You realize that her frontal lobe is far from mature. This is what I wrote after giving that example; That's an extreme example In response to... This isn't even a gendered thing. Men get taken in by horrible women too. This is what I wrote; A big problem we all have is learning how to vet people (friend or partners), and understanding that we all have blindspots and can sometimes need feedback from others. I didn't write that it was gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:22 PM
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I acknowledged it was an extreme example. I also alluded to your point before. Like I said, it depends on what people consider good. Perhaps some of the women who complain about the the "good guy" not being good weren't "good" themselves, as their definition of good is of a man that has major red flags. A man may be benevolently sexist to a woman and that's enough for her to call him a good guy (e.g. female Andrew Tate fans and defenders like Layla Hepburn) despite them observing the man being s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:36 PM
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I think what you are saying is true. However... And I’ve said this before, the “give a guy a chance” lecture I notice this sub likes to give because the “good guys arent given a chance when the hot assholes are”. But them when women go into details that the ‘good guy she gave a chance to’ turned out to be an unattractive asshole and creeps, then we’re back to ‘choose better’. He obviously wasn't a "good" guy. But the problem is what she may consider a "good guy". For example, I had a conversatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:14 PM
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Why is this some scapegoat excuse I hope you're not addressing that question to me? If you're with a partner who treats an other group of people badly. You are a bad person. " Oh, my boyfriend is a nazi but he's so sweet to me A youtuber video made video (forgot his name) had a title of a video that I've come to agree given my life experience and observations; People don't defend what's right, they defend what who they like. It's the basis of tribalism (this is blatantly obvious when conservativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 12:37 PM
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OK, so you have no evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 08:15 PM
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Which movies?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 05:49 PM
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Middle school boys are calling themselves incels? Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 05:49 PM
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Andrew and Tristan Tate do not behave like that with women, they do benevolent sexism. It's part of the Loverboy method, in the initial stages they are "gentleman" to the women, and then the women fall in love with them, and that's how they manipulate them. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qfsKY8WE2Sw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL127d_3wGk Here is a woman talking about how she was "invited to Romania" (i.e. almost trafficked) by Tristan after dating him... (From 17:00)... https://www.youtube.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 01:11 PM
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Andrew and Tristan Tate do not behave like that with women, they do benevolent sexism. It's part of the Loverboy method, in the initial stages they are "gentleman" to the women, and then the women fall in love with them, and that's how they manipulate them. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qfsKY8WE2Sw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL127d_3wGk Here is a woman talking about how she was "invited to Romania" (i.e. almost trafficked) by Tristan after dating him... (From 17:00)... https://www.youtube.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 12:18 PM
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The Tate brothers approach is being a "gentleman" (benevolent sexism) when dating women, it's their way of getting the women hooked before they start their abuse or manipulation. If you think I'm wrong... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qfsKY8WE2Sw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL127d_3wGk Here is a woman talking about how she was "invited to Romania" (i.e. almost trafficked) by Tristan after dating him... (From 17:00)... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZX5t3PSJ34 He outlined the "Loverboy met…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 12:11 PM
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Incel black pillers do not like Andrew Tate. Honestly, if watch a few vids from those guys they mock Red Pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 12:05 PM
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You want to keep arguing about the why? At no point did I say that it was the right way of thinking. I never said you were. I've said to you before that this isn't about you, and I don't know why you keep reframing this that way. I am also not going to keep going back and forth with you because you didn’t live it and refuse to acknowledge that people dying had a massive cultural shift in the way sex and sexuality is handled. I'm arguing that the idea that a lot of the Millennials and Gen Z women…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 07:07 PM
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It’s context for why people still think that way. Have you considered that perhaps you were wrong, and the younger generations do not think that way for the same reasons your friends did growing up? Reasons and justifications can change based on social environment. Which is why the hypothetical tests those assumptions. It is easy to be contrarian to people’s lived experience It's also easy for people to project their lived experience on to other generations, and outside of their social environme…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 05:41 PM
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OK, what are you basing your assumption about a lot of women avoiding bi men due to HIV risk on?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 04:55 PM
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I wasn't asking about you. So a lot of women won’t date Bi-Men because the assumption of promiscuity can also be sexually dangerous to them. I'm asking you to give that hypothetical to women you know who won't date bi men, because it eliminates the HIV risk as a reason and so it tests that assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 04:42 PM
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So a lot of women won’t date Bi-Men because the assumption of promiscuity can also be sexually dangerous to them. There's a way to test your assumption devised by another user. The next time you come across a woman who says they don't want to date Bi men, please ask them this; . the HIV point is interesting and one i assumed was the main thing for my friends, til i asked them “if you knew the bi guy asking you out 1) was traditionally masculine, 2) was known to be loyal/not a cheater, and 3) has…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 04:19 PM
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Do you not generally engage in introspection? If you do introspective, why don't you like to do it when it comes to what you find attractive and unattractive? Why is that off limits?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 03:54 PM
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Not wanting to fuck or be with someone for any reason whatsoever is not a phobia. Am I reading this right; you don't believe there is any reason for not wanting to date someone that can be based in prejudice? Edit: I see you clairfied your position; Someone can be homophobic and refuse to date bi men becouse of that. Not wanting to date bi men is not homophobic on it's own.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 03:38 PM
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They already said, but asking this question basically eliminated that possibility... “if you knew the bi guy asking you out 1) was traditionally masculine, 2) was known to be loyal/not a cheater, and 3) has never slept with a man before, and they still said no they wouldn’t consider dating him. that our earlier points are most relevant They explicitly are traditionally masculine, and yet are still rejected for having an attraction to men (despite never acting on it).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 03:29 PM
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Just commenting to say I found you post really insight, and I believe it's probably accurate. However, I think it will be practically worthless, because IME most people do not like to examine if their preferences are the result of prejudice or conditioning. (Based on looking into preferences for a trait which I can't talk about in this sub without getting warned or banned.)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 03:24 PM
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internalized misogyny. How does misogyny create a women rejectiong bisexual men?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 03:16 PM
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I have the same perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 10:10 PM
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They may not be, but when women do them - it’s positive femininity. When men do them, it’s positive masculinity. See how that works No, because then it makes the notion of masculinity and femininity meaningless, because their associated traits are interchangeable. (Apart from the good Dad suggestion you made.) Do you see any traits or inclinations as feminine or masculine?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 06:30 PM
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No, because that doesn't address the question asked, which you responded to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 05:30 PM
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I'd rather kill myself than approach some person who LITERALLY DOES NOT KNOW ME and ask her, "Hey so what's the best dick on the market?" THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU. Again, you are not all women, your friendship group does not represent all women; There are women who have had sex with men who their friends have had sex with. Just because you may find it repugnant there are women who have no problem with it. There are women who talk openly about sex, and are not ashamed or embarrassed to talk about who…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 04:01 PM
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OK, so do you have 3 examples of positive masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 03:36 PM
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I never said it has to be friends, it could be acquaintances or friends of friends recommendations. I said; women can ask other women. Not all women are like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 03:35 PM
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I've had the best success with women when I just appraised the role of a dumb fun loving meathead About 10 years ago I used to consume a lot of PUA content from RSD (toxic company and founder) and what you descibed was a core part of what they taught. They said it's really important to give up a vibe of non-judgemental easy going, easy to get along with guy. So, basically the biggest PUA company in the world agrees with your advice (I literally remember him near shouting at the screen that (para…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 03:31 PM
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My solution for men is to either improve to a point that they don’t have to complain about sex because they are having it. And.. However, they need to follow this up by making an actual effort to be social and to form social groups, rather than complaining about how no women swipe right on them on dating apps. And Men with poorer social skills probably are going to have a lot of trouble meeting women, and these men probably need some kind of therapy or training about how to be more social and co…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 03:26 PM
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How are those things inherently masculine? If they're not, then they are just positive human traits, and nothing to do with the concept of masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 03:22 PM
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I took what OP meant as women can ask other women which men are good in bed (OP confirmed that in a reply to you). I'm curious if you think that would be a bad strategy to find a man who is good in bed?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 03:14 PM
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^^^ I agree with this guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 02:11 PM
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Human beings don't operate by logic, IMO. I've seen the same with women who complain bitterly about men online, but still continue to date men. (Here's an insightful video on the topic, if you are interested; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4xCbmCG2Rc ) How I understand it is they still have a desire for sex and companionship, even if they resent those that they are getting the sex and companionship from.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 08:28 PM
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If you're not going to link it, I'm not going to take orders from you and track through your comments. It's not that deep, so you around.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 12:14 PM
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Have you compared the rate of men with impotence and the stats of women who don't orgasm during sex? (occasional impotence is different from never cumming during sex, so I think it's only fair to compare it to stats where men have chronic impotence.) I'm genuinely curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 11:58 AM
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Introverts can be social, they just get drained quicker. I think you are talking about a social people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 11:44 AM
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I get you, I meant in order to have orgasm when they are in the process of having sex. I've experienced that I can have sex with a and woman they enjoy it but do not orgasm, but then you can literally do nothing different the next time you have sex with them and they orgasm. The difference seems to be their mental space.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 11:42 AM
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From what I have heard a woman's anxiety level matters a lot, so if a woman isn't in the right headspace you can eat their pussy all you want an they aren't orgasming. Essentially, usually, a woman has to be in the right mood to orgasm. Whereas with men there is a much lower mental component. Do you disagree with what I wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 09:30 AM
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Not everyone processes information like you... https://www.lesswrong.com/w/typical-mind-fallacy everyone wants to be attracted to their partners, why would anyone want to be with a partner who disgusts them, they wouldn't. The issue is those guys assumed they were "attractive enough" or believe even if they are more on the ugly side of the spectrum (meaning they don't look like a gargoyle but no woman is swooning over the way they look) women care about the inner qualities of a person. That's th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 10:00 AM
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Yes, huge impact. It is the foundation of stoicism.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 12:19 AM
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Your'e moving the goalposts. Here's the evidence you've changed your argument... They wrote: I work out as a married lady, not because I want to attract a mate, but because it makes me feel GOOD. It’s why I’m not on anxiety meds. Serious. You are someone who needs to decenter women and give yourself self care. You replied: Self care is not real, we are a product of outside stimulus.” They replied: You in fact may be an earth room but thousands of years of philosophy - developed by men - tells us…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 11:20 PM
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It does need to be said for the sake of clarity. Not everyone understands what's implicit. I can't begin yo tell you the amount of men who a bitter awakening to how important looks are that I've observed on the internet. Many complain that they were never told and had to figure it out. Also many women in this sub immediately assume if a guy is having issue it's due to personality, when they may be have a bad looking fave, dress like crap, poor posture, etc. Many seem to assume the guy is decentl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 11:07 PM
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Stoicism and Epicurean philosophy is about changing mindset when their are aspects of life that can't be controlled. Stoic philosophy has strong similarities to cognitive behavioural therapy. Also Yamamoto Tsunetomo presented Samurai philosophy in Hagakure, a large part of it about mindset. Aristotle said that contemplation and developing discernment was a crucial part of happiness. If you are simplifying their philosophies to "life is shit, go forward" then you are ignoring that mindset change …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 10:59 PM
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Regrading leagues things are more comicated when you factor in location and race. (Can't elaborate more on than that due to sub rules). Regarding location: there are guys who travel to other countries and nothing changed except location and they date outside of their league, sometimes due to their looks (can't elaborate) being more favoured in that country and/or having more money than the average man there. Personally (on platforms that are OK) I would ask questions about those topics, along wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 10:19 PM
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Hopefully you understand my point now (that your question was irrelevant). That's all I wanted to say. See you later.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:30 PM
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I had typos, so maybe you didn't understand this sentence; Not acknowledging the importance of looks is not the same as saying looks don't matter. You not have to says "look aren't important" to not acknowledge the importance of looks, you simply do not have to mention them when talking about attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:09 PM
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The looksmaxxing stuff makes people marginally more attractive. It won’t make up for a flabby body/shitty diet/sedentary lifestyle. Pursuits that lead to permanent changes, like working out and other healthy habits, are far better than spending an hour before you go out making yourself look hotter than you actually are. Diet and exercise to improve body composition is a part of looksmaxxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:07 PM
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You don't want to be settled for? You don't want duty sex? Then become attractive! Go to the gym, dress well, shave your stubble and trim your mustache and beard. Develop personality traits that women find attractive because our sexual attraction depends on personality to large extent. These are all positive things and they will make you happier independently of female attention. You will be strong, healthy, confident, competent and charismatic - all good things. This is basic Red Pill, Purple P…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:43 PM
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He didn't say. He said. women acknowledging that looks indeed matter a fair bit when it comes to dating Not acknowledging the importance of looks is not the same as saying looks don't matter. IME what commonly happens in this sub is when guys talk about struggling a lot of women here blame/focus on moral character/attitude rather than asking about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:38 PM
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OP hasn't argued that. Who is?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 10:24 PM
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My assertion is that you can’t accuse someone of being unwittingly deceived by their sub conscious thoughts and feelings without also recognizing that you’re as equally likely of being unwittingly deceived by your own subconscious thoughts and feelings. It isn't necessarily likely in the same respect, meaning just because women may generally understate how much they value looks it doesn't automatically mean that men do. Women men deceive themselves regarding the important of other traits, or thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 09:45 PM
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But in spaces like this only women are deemed too dumb to know their true intentions. Somehow men are magically intuitive and know exactly what their subconscious is doing? It's may not be due to a lack of intelligence, it may be that they have internalized social pressure to not be in touch with their sexuality and so have self-deceived to not be aware of how much they value looks. There's also virtue signally.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 09:43 PM
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When you are saying sexualize do you mean inside your own head as well as communicating it, or do you just mean communicating it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 03:17 PM
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In the context of looking at women on social media and sexualizing them (which is what I was referring) too?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 10:42 PM
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Yeah, I think most men watch straight porn more than lesbian porn based on pornhub stats and what porn has the biggest market (straight porn). 7th is pretty high. I don't know why you refer to things you don't like as "cringe" though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 03:12 PM
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The problem is, how can you know if someone is consenting to being sexualized? We can guess from implication (e.g. being a bikini model), but it wouldn't be consent in any meaningful sense unless they explicitly state it? There are instances of men being confused when a woman who is scantily clad or showing cleavage online objects to being sexualized. There are implications via context, but these problems still persist. Also, some naturally voluptuous women have complained about being sexualized…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 12:37 PM
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But the thing is a lot of Eastern European men are providers. So yes women are gonna date them even if they don’t look that well, The average wage is significantly lower than place like the US. So they are not providing anything other than an OK lifestyle, relative to their nation. Men do that too in Latin America and South East Asia. There’s a reason why they can’t pull off what Melania Trump pulled off, it’s not because of the ratio.. lol the rich men in their country are not single.. they sim…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 12:06 PM
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Came back to say out of all the answers I've received yours was the best. I'm gonna put it at the end of the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 10:59 AM
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I'm surprised to hear that view from a blue piller. That sounds almost word for word what a maroon piller says. Very atractive women dating averagely attractive men is a stereotype for eastern europe. Also, you seem to thinking everywhere is like a 1st world nation. There is an abundance of beautiful women in places like Venezuela, Brazil, Dominican Republic and Colombia but there is a much lower ratio of rich men in those countries. So do you see how it's going to be common for beautiful women …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 09:21 AM
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If red pillers do not want it, why do you think they give advice that leads to a sugar baby relationship? People often do things that lead to undesired ironic outcomes, it's a part of human nature because we aren't omniscient.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 09:59 PM
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Your viewpoint makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 09:01 AM
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I don't think it's going to be the kind of attention that a young man gets. From what I have seen a large part of it is attraction to resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:57 AM
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In terms of desirability/results? Which I do not believe is middle aged for the high majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:55 AM
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I disagree with your 1st statement, I belive looks and status are what make a man most attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:53 AM
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I haven't looked at the studies Macken has posted yet, but I think it's a mistake to rely on data from one dating website (OKcupid).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:49 AM
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5, so you're saying she's average looking? I'm guessing you live in Miami or Medellin to say that she looks average?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 10:04 PM
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6 or 7 isn't "ugly as hell", which is what you said. Are you saying a 6 or 7 rating is ugly? C'mon we all bullshit from time to time. I don't hold it against you if you admit that you were being hyperbolic. I do it, but I own up to it when people call me out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 09:54 PM
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I think you're bullshitting. https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/a6405106adb8cddac7632ce5c3a2df4f
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 09:46 PM
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I didn't write super rare, I wrote rare. Uncommon is a better word though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 09:32 PM
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...who said that? That looks like your inability to get nuances. Hyperbole. Getting like 4 years younger women will be easy for them. That's easy for any man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 09:31 PM
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OK can you answer my questions? I wasn't asking about you as an individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 08:02 PM
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Yeah, that is an accurate belief I was engaging in hyperbole when I said college aged, but the belief you are saying is also wrong based on statistics. Women tend to date men who are 3 years older approximately, based on the data I've seen. Also, relationship dissatisfaction from women towards men with a 10 year age gap, and relationship failure rate, his higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 07:26 PM
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If you’re good looking enough it isn’t going to matter. OK, so you're saying they will serious date a man men in their 40s if they guy is hot, regardless of his career and financial status. And they want to date these men for looks. These 15 year age gap relationships you've had and your friends have had, what is the longest? My gf and couple of her friends see a hot 40+ guy and they check him out like he’s the hottest guy possible, then a total chad muscle guy their age is sitting next to them …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:28 PM
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No woman likes a loser regardless of age, but they aren’t asking for anything either. OK, but I wasn't talking about losers. Do the woman who you and your social circle date also date middle aged men who make an average wage? (Do you consider men who are middle aged and make an average wage a loser? Is that why you said it?) I'm assuming you guys make an above average wage, but maybe my assumption is wrong and all you guys make average wages? Guys who are young can make a below average wage and …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:10 PM
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How is that a response I just wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:05 PM
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That was a typo, I meant to write 18 to 23 year olds. Can you please re-read the post and re-reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:03 PM
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OK, will you please answer this question in regards to the ones who are seriously dating middle aged men; Are they giving 40 year olds who have no established career or financial stability a chance like they would give a man their own age? (Maybe it's different where you live, but where I live young beautiful women dating young guys who are living on an entry level wage is common. I'm curious if you see the young women who date the middle aged men who make average wages?)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:57 PM
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Perhaps in your location. I can tell you that I've seen plenty of very attractive women date men who date men who date men with average jobs, but that was when they are young and generally don't care about those things. (It's actually something I've heard passport bros warn about, that many exceptionally attractive women in Latin America and south east asia will have a broke boyfriend who they are dating while pretending to like the gringo.)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:56 PM
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I agree. It's extremely common in the Red Pill circles to point to celebrities as examples of how "Men age like fine wine". I use celebrity examples because I consistently see Red Pill creators do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:53 PM
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I agree. This is about the Red Pill though, and IME this is a near universal belief that the Red Pill community has, that middle aged men can date college girls who sincerely desire them with ease (provided they have the 6 figures, game, muscle, etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:50 PM
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I said quasi sugar baby relationship in the OP. Meaning, she would not be dating the man if she couldn't live a life of financial comfort with him (paying for trips, going to fancy restaurants, etc). Or, maybe a better question, are they giving 40 year olds who have no established career or financial stability a chance like they would give a man their own age?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:48 PM
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I do think that if you take a 20 year old gym bunny and a 29 year old gym bunny most guys wouldn't see much difference in their attractiveness. In terms of wanting to date, I believe there would be a significant difference. Prime is about general desirability - looks rating and behavior. Like Macken says it's about who do men seek out, meaning dating behavior not simply rating. 18 ti 25 year would likely seek out and approach the 20 year old to date seriously, but not the 29 year old (lifestyle,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:43 PM
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Going from average to exceptionally attractive is a very different ball game. They are exceptionally handsome with exceptional status. You are not, and the high majority of Red Pill men are not, but they are using them as examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:36 PM
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OK, you fit into the upper end of what Macken said in the video. He literally said the upper end that a rare woman who is 23 is willing to date is 33, not the ages that the Red Pill is talking about. So, you personal experience is in accordance with what Macken and I are saying. You are not in prime age, but you weren't middle aged and dating a 23 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:35 PM
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Prime is to do with general desirability, not whether an individual is good looking at any age. Prime = peak desirability. 29 year old women aren't the primary age of women that men of all ages are seeking out. The concept of prime age in regarding to dating is not individual, it's impersonal. Brad Pitt is still very good looking, but he's not in his prime. Do you consider that ridiculous?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:32 PM
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I would like to know the city you are in where 18-26 year overwhelmingly want men 15 to 20 year older than them. I can believe that if it's South East Asia, I'm very skeptical if you tell me it's a city in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:24 PM
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No. That's not what I said I know I was asking for clarification, because that was the context of what you quoted and responded to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:23 PM
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OK, in your personal experience are you dating women 10 years younger than you, or is the gap smaller?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:21 PM
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They are usually good looking even before the cosmetic surgery. Men like Chris Evans, Jensen Ackles and Brad Pitt were exceptionally good looking men in their early 20s, and any work they've gotten done has just kept what they have. Going from average to exceptionally attractive is a very different ball game.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:19 PM
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If you're not attracting women in their prime, on what basis are you claiming those men are in their prime? A mid 30s woman going for a man in their 40s is predicatble. However late 20s is a likely a small section of women. Also large age-gap relationships - meaning 10+ years - statistically have a high failure rate and less satisfactory relationships, it seems based on study summaries I've heard and read - an example; https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6785043/ "Our key findings are: 1) M…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:17 PM
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I thought your point was more nuanced, so I initially agreed with you, but I think you are very wrong here. IMO and IME people feelings don't always match their moral convictions (I've seen this a lot in the kink world). There can be a dichotomy. Someone can be not mentally ill, have a strong moral conviction against anti-social behavior and still be atracted to anti-social men. However, there's a different between being attracted to someone and actively dating them. I agreed with you because I …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:11 PM
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I agree with you. However, in the words of Chandler Bing... Chandler: I'm hoping that when Bob doesn't show up, she will seek comfort in the open arms of the wry stranger at the next table. Ross: Oh my god. You are pure evil. Chandler: OK, pure evil (holds up his left hand), horny and alone (holds up his right hand). I've done this (He shakes his right hand.)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:05 PM
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You believe that want that while they are in their early 20s (meaning to date a middle aged man with money)?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:58 PM
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Are you talking about getting cosmetic surgery?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:56 PM
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You think men in their prime who work at it are going to be highly desired by women in their prime? Meaning, women the men in their 40s are going to get a lot of regular responses and attention to women in their 20s? If so, do you think it may be gold diggers they are attracting?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:54 PM
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When you say that range, do you exceed the 10 year age gap of the women you are dating? Also, do you think your experience is the norm?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:53 PM
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I do, but I'm still envious of having such a hot partner. I agree that it's completely superficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 10:56 AM
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I don't think anyone is jealous of Kanye at this point. I wish I had a partner as hot as Bianca. That's all I'm envious about regarding Kanye.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 09:53 AM
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I have, and there's none that I see. I asked because I'm not omniscient and perhaps OP has information I haven't seen. Have you looked it up, rather than rely on your personal experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 09:08 AM
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I'm not asking about your personal experience, I'm asking for scientific evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 08:55 PM
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I don't believe that social skills are simply "beating around the bush". Social skills include things like "timing" (when to say something), making people feel emotionally and physically comfortable in your company through a mixture of verbal and non-verbal communication, understanding context when communicating, etc. Traits that a lot of autistic people can struggle with (e.g. standing too close, not making eye contact or making too prolonged eye contact, saying things at a bad time, being blun…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 03:32 PM
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That’s just worse version of a date, and its basically a job interview. Fair point, but that is what I've heard a lot of men complain about dating women over 30 is like on a 1st date. So perhaps my advice is better for men to insist on, because it must be an unpleasant experience to get groomed, travel and be then pay to be interviewed for a couple of hours. I don't see the point seeing as we have phones not to vet people using phones, instead of going on physical dates. Sometimes you can find o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:20 PM
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How are you suppose to vet before the first date? Facetime to learn their story, values, character and to try to discern if they're an honest person. (I gave that answer to a woman who was defensive in a thread where men complained about first dates with women above 30 being like job interviews. She asked how else am I supposed to get answers to my questions without doing it on a date, and I said Facetime.) But "vetting" is an ongoing process in the initial stages.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:08 PM
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Do you think it's the same men making those statements? I'm not saying people can't hold contradictory beliefs, because they've can but I suspect it's different groups that you're putting together. Edit: to be fair, I have seen Myron Gaines have that contradictory belief. So you could say you believe his followers have that mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:18 PM
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Sorry, my bad. No idea why my brain skipped the 1st line.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 05:29 PM
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It’s not really that women see and random man on the street and think “Oh my god a predator!” It’s more like, if a man buys me a drink at the bar I won’t accept it unless it’s made in front of me by the bartender. I don’t use ride share services because I don’t like the idea of putting myself at risk from strangers, especially ones who are bigger/stronger than me. I agree with (what I think to be) OP's general point, and I don't see being cautious of men who are strangers as being misandrist. In…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 05:28 PM
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OP, I generally agree with your point (which seems to be hatred or disdain on the basis of race is no different than gender), but they have pointed out that it is different based on history, your reply is that it may happen in the future. You asked how it's different and they gave a clear and simple - and irrefutable - explanation of how it's different. If I were you, I would accept they have pointed out a key different, and to acknowledge that, and that you (it seems to me) your main point is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 05:19 PM
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Now, do I believe every redpiller is like those psychos? No. Of course not. But I do hope that they would stand up to psychos like that. And you want women to acknowledge that saying that is bad, and those women should be told they are disgusting. We do. Many of us do, on many platforms. OP isn't talking about redpill men, he's talking about men in general. There were/are many men who have taken a stand online against Andrew Tate, Sneako, Trump, etc. Even recently a liberal political commentator…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 05:15 PM
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even if believed to be true, doesn’t prove misandry is worse than racism. OP said Misandry is just as bad as racism, they didn't say it's worse than racism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 05:10 PM
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I'm a black man The same is not true of race. Have you checked that recently? Lat time I checked there were unpleasant facts that I uncovered. I agree with OP. A blanket hatred and disdain for men, is no different than a blanket hatred and disdain for black men. It's a small minority of people who commit most violent crimes, that's true in regards to gender and race - last time I checked.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 05:05 PM
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Advertising only works on unconscious life without possessing ability of constructive criticism and reasoning People online always believe they are immune to the influence of marketing. Do you plan on getting married? If so, will you buy an engagement ring? I never bought any women anything and none ever complained. What are the ages of the women you are dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 05:02 PM
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You are not a woman so how can you speak on “most women”? I didn't phrase what I wrote as speaking on behalf of most women, nor did I phrase it as a definitive statement. I phrased it as a guess from my perspective; I wrote "I think", to make that as clear as I could without writing a paragraph to explain that I'm not making a universal definitive statement - which is what I've done now. You don’t need to concern yourself with “a lot of” women anyway, you only need to worry about one. I don't th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 01:32 PM
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For Valentine's day, those are certainly options. I suspect most women wouldn't be happy with those options. I think sharing what your partner did for you for social validation is a very important to a lot of women, especially in today's age where sharing you life in images and videos group chats and social media is important. (Saying their partner cooked them a meal and nothing else probably wouldn't be that novel to most women's social groups, unless the partner never cooks for them. I may be …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 11:47 AM
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We all love to believe advertising doesn’t work but it’s absolutely influenced a lot of aspects of society. Engagement rings are overwhelming evidence of the power of advertising. The Debeers corporation created a marketing campaign that literally changed large sections of the planet. In observing the couples around me - none of them make a big deal of the holiday. Simple things like flowers and maybe chocolate are bought, maybe a romantic night in/out but it’s no different than a lovely date ni…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 10:28 AM
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Gender equality is definitely very high in China and Japan. Top ten? Based on what data? https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gender-equality-by-country . In fact hypergamy is even bigger in those countries Again, based on what data? It seems like you have an orientalist view of east asian countries. Based on what? You seemed to write that a retort to my comment about you being US centric, which was based on you making a comment about the California fires and the military being und…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 12:50 AM
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he population implosion in every progressive country Would you say that China and Japan are progressive? (If so, does progressive mean secular to you?) They are experiencing a fertility decline. It seems to be something that happens when the general population of a nation reaches a certain standard of living combined with secular culture. With less and less people working important jobs, the society's important infrastructure and services will slowly deteriorate. The military is already understa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:32 PM
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I've been hearing this shit since the early 00s. Wether it's the economy, sexual liberation, "weak men", etc. It's all the same thing, people preaching doomsday on civilization for 20+ years.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 03:59 PM
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I can't go in depth but your A view is much closer to the blackpill pespective than your opening sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 10:14 AM
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That is the black pill perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:10 PM
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Yep, unfortunately. On side note; The loss of fast motor units (which fast twtich muscle fibers are a component of) is a fatal problem for the longveity community.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:39 PM
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Just to add to what you are saying... You're talking about type 2x fast twitch muscle fibers for sprinters, and Type 2a fast twitch muscle fibers for strongman/powerflifting sports.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 02:15 PM
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Where have you read that muscle mass drop begins at mid 20s?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 02:12 PM
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I don't know what you mean by "rule", which seems to be the key to your misunderstanding. Can you explain what you mean by rule. Here is what I wrote; Looks, Money, Status and Game primarily determine your general desirability as a man. And Looks primarily determine your general desirability as a woman. I disagree with a lot of what the Red Pill says, but the above is solid IMO (based on studies) and IME (based on IRL observation). So please tell me what primary traits have you observed or seen …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:34 PM
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I don't what you mean when you say a "rule". There are no "rules" when it comes to human behavior ultimately, just patterns. Please re-read my first post, the man and woman I just described are the opposite of what I described in the 1st post. To which you said there are "too many" people that don't follow those "rules". So I asked if you've seen many obese women with ugly faces who are highly desired? Or ugly men with low social economic status and poor social skills who are highly desired? Bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:25 PM
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You think there are "too many" men who are ugly, broke, low social status and have bad social skills who are generally highly desired? Also, you think there are "too many" obese women with ugly faces who are generally highly desired?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:18 PM
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Why you don't believe this basic teaching of the Red Pill is accurate... Looks, Money, Status and Game primarily determine your general desirability as a man. And Looks primarily determine your general desirability as a woman. I disagree with a lot of what the Red Pill says, but the above is solid IMO (based on studies) and IME (based on IRL observation).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:01 PM
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A single friend says she's "smart and confident". Another friend tries to tell her that she has character issues and needs to work on herself more, and she bullies him into shutting up - probably displaying the exact character issues he's talking about. The woman in that video is obese and (based on that clip) is domineering (look at how she speak to a friend after he tries to diplomatically be honest about her shortcomings, after she asked them to). Bad combination. If she was better looking an…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 02:44 PM
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Nonsense. At this point we know how babies are made. Unless this man had no way to know that the woman he was having sex with was married to someone else, then "intentions" mean nothing. Ultimately the reason that we don't have mandatory paternity testing before birth, is because it would create more work for the men in power. It's also highly likely that these men in question are far more concerned with their own marriages failing, and their bank accounts suffering when it comes out they've got…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 02:35 PM
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From what I can tell, the average citizen in Abu Dhabi and Dubai in the UAE live well, the government tends to do things for the citizens to keep things that way. Low skilled immigrants are not treated well, like you said. However, plenty of foreign women go to live in Dubai and love it there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 12:05 AM
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Yeah, though unfortunately treating women as 2nd class citizens can still be part of prosperous nations (e.g. the UAE and Saudi Arabia).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 11:01 PM
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I really don't like the man, nor his worldview, but I remember Andrew Wilson making the argument: If tomorrow every man decided women didn't have rights there would be nothing women could do about it. The only way they would regain any rights would be if enough men stood up to the men that wanted to take their rights away. He is unfortunately right.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 10:36 PM
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More generally, do protections for women ultimately exist at the mercy of men? That is an unfortunate reality, simply dude to men's superior physical strength. If hypothetically men and women were to have a global gender based Battle Royale women would lose. (In case any unhinged PPD women read the above and may be furiously typing... The above isn't gloating or saying it's a good thing. I'm simply saying it's an unfortunate reality, based on the science of biology and empirical data from every …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 10:27 PM
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Nowhere in his comment does he say that older women are generally more desirable, he just said he's liked by older women. That doesn't necessarily mean they are more desirable to him, just that they are demographic that are attracted to him. Also, you said "them" after saying "by redpill". Did you just mean a single redpiller?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 09:12 PM
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Which red pillars are saying older women are more desirable?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 11:09 AM
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What I've observed frustrates people the most is denial that this happens. For all the flaws of the red pill it teaches men everything OP said.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 09:28 AM
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Based.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 09:23 AM
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The guy helping women to “ease into sex” isn’t doing it, because he’s so great and selfless and gets no gratification from it. He still gets to have his orgasm and most likely enjoys the experience. I agree. Aside from the physical pleasure, some people get off on the idea of (like you said) being with someone who is inexperienced, and/or being a memorable sexual experience for a person. I remember a street interview where a guy asked a woman if she would be with a virgin man, and she said "yeah…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:33 AM
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I think women being promiscuous is usually not associated with the attitude I'm talking about. I understand, but I don't think they would care about the underlying motivations or attitude, she would just be judged for sleeping with a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:29 AM
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There are women that exist like this, they just usually aren't respected by a lot of men. One I knew was referred to as a "Town Bicycle" by a guy I knew. If there was a woman sleeping with a bunch of men, in your experience what is she called by a lot of men? (In late 20th century American movie had a trope of an older woman being a first sexual experience of a young man and "showing him the ropes". In the modern west that kind of behavior would be considered predatory e.g. Bonnie Blue, who is 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:20 AM
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Hunter gatherer tribes came before agriculture. You are skipping an era. If making friends is due to propaganda, how do you explain that all hunter gatherer tribes did it? You wouldn't survive outside of modernity. You would have no male friends to help you when a group of violent men come to take your resources, or your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 10:46 AM
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A Lone wolf doesn't exist in a hunter-gatherer society, because they don't survive. You have to hunt together and bond together to survive. Social isolation was literally punishment, because you are at risk of dying. You are promoting social isolation from other men, and think that you can be like that and still be successful - in a hunter-gather society - and impregnate a woman and start a family. You seem to be completely unfamiliar with hunter-gather society, you can't start a family unless y…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 10:07 PM
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How do respond to all observed hunter-gather tribes behaving like the description of the Spartans, which you can watch in documentaries or read the accounts of anthropologists? Lone wolfs die in primitive societies. Noone; watches your back, fights alongside, defends you from accusations, helps you hunt and with general tasks or if you get ill. You can only be a thriving lone wolf/sigma in modernity with technology and modern infrastructure. Another tribe would come across you and probably kill …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:49 PM
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Horse Shit. The RP spaces themselves are littered with men pouring their hearts out about how worthless and weak they feel and asking for advice / help. The sentence he wrote was.. According to redpill guys NEVER show emotions to a woman but they also never talk about healthy ways of emotional expression among friends. The aren't pouring their hearts out to a woman or their friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:33 PM
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My take is men are fed propaganda that they need friendship I strongly advise looking at masculinity throughout history. (Mods, I'm not promoting the following societies and cultures as ideal, I'm simply presenting a Red Piller a historical context which he might understand.) If you look at hunter gatherer tribes of today, men have close bonds and spend a lot of time together. You can watch documentaries about them, or read anthropologists writings about them. If you read or do research into cul…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:25 PM
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Yeah, I think this is a key reason. To add to what you are speaking about; men not receiving understanding. I think a lot of women mistake men receiving status for men receiving understanding (or believe that receiving status compensates for men not receiving understanding). Another reason, and an adjacent one, is that the mainstream/blue pill advice teaches men that virtuous character = generally desirable partner. A lot of men conclude from research and/or experience that looks, status, money,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:11 PM
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Online doesn't mean dating apps though, which is what OP seems to specifically be talking about. Meeting a partner online can happen through social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 04:27 PM
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Good on you for doing the work. I hope you get the kind of man you want in the future. and for a long time my nervous system generated a contracted posture that served to attract predatory humans towards me I was in a store the other day and was waiting in line and a young woman was in front of me. I got the thought that she looked like someone I could exploit if I wanted to (not that I would, it was just oddly apparent to me), she gave off a really strong vibe of having no boundaries despite he…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 03:51 PM
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The reason for me asking for single people: I don't think it's a useful exercise for people happy in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:52 AM
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I'm glad you've found what you were looking for. It was predictable based on the 3 men you slept with prior to meeting your fiance (which I think is part of the point of the exercise).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:37 AM
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This isn't about abuse partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:34 AM
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Yes, ideally. However, many people make pragmatic decisions regarding dating. Do you honestly not believe people (voluntarily) marry for reasons other than love? Do you honestly not believe "settling" (marrying or being in a LTR someone they are lukewarm about because they don't want to be alone or they want to start a family) is something that people do?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:28 AM
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But there were years in between so what I wanted/was looking for definitely shifted. Like when I was 25 I was very religious, so being religious was on my list. I understand. A shift in values tends to shift the kind of person we are looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 07:41 PM
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Your attraction is basically aligned with the kind of man you want, so you'll probably find a satisfying relationship. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:59 PM
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What was were the traits of the 2 men before that (if there were 2 other men)?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:58 PM
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I don't understand the question. Are you asking whats the point of the relationship without that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:24 PM
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Ah I see, understandable. This was before he specialized in abusive relationships. Thanks, I'm going to edit my post to clarify that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:11 PM
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2 observations here: It's hard to try and take this point seriously when much of the "data" you're giving seems to be fabricated, anecotal, and intended to summarize the conclusion of this experiment. I think you've massively overestimated what this is. It's a simple coaching exercise, which I thought would be interesting to share and to observe the results. Nothing more. Did the women actually say that their past 3 partners were "a bit of dick to people" [sic] "insensitive" and "unambitious"? O…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:50 PM
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Because you’re trying to make a claim that women don’t find good men attractive. That’s the premise of your post. You phrased that if as if you are certain. Do you understand that you're making up a motivation in your head, that may or may not be accurate? Or do you think you are absolutely right, with no possibility that I had another motivation? Furthermore, why would a woman need Do have sex with a guy to find him attractive or to have dated him? You can date without sex. Yes, and you can dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:19 PM
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The point is to see if there is, it's not assuming that there is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:01 PM
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Why would a woman need at least 3 sexual partners to say she struggles with finding a good man? They don't, only to do the exercise. I believe the purpose of the exercise is to introspect about pasterns and attraction. A woman would need at least 3 people to consider something a possible pattern. 1) To observe a possible pattern of attraction. 2) To see if there is a difference between what kind of man they are genuinely attracted to and what kind of man they want to "settle down" with. If they …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:01 PM
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To convey that it's a lukewarm attraction or mental attraction (as opposed to a romantic or sexual attraction).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 01:54 PM
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That's not what I said. If a woman doesn't have 3 sexual partners, then she obviously can't answer the question and so it doesn't apply to her, because no pattern has been established.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 01:47 PM
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What country is those statistic from? Also, I'm guessing that statistic is across age demographic? So Boomers are going to bring down the average, like they did here in the UK (their average was literally 1 partner according to a yougov poll.) Boomers generally aren't part of the dating pool, so I wouldn't include them. Statistics are useful for large populations. (for example let's say 9 in 10 people eat bacon, that statistic is null in a heavily populated Jewish or Muslim area). Some areas/sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 01:45 PM
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I’m in my 40s. I have plenty of life experience and know plenty of people. Some people have sex with lots of partners. Some don’t. Do you know a lot of people by 25 that haven't slept with at least 3 people? If so, would you say you live a religious conservative area? People pair up because they like each other, and part of that is being sexually attracted to each other. Generally speaking that I believe that is true. However, "settling" is a well known concept in dating for long time now. Which…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 12:12 PM
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So this is very particular women with a very particular issue? Yes, like I wrote in the post; "used to do an exercise with women who were confused why they couldn't find a "good man"." What's the point of the post? To see if what the single women of PPD results will be. I see many women here complain bitterly about men in dating, so I was curious what kind of men they are attracted to vs the kind of men they say they want. Plus, it might be useful for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 11:49 AM
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Or maybe the traits you want on paper aren’t super common, and who you actually date/sleep with is determined more by who you’re in close proximity with and shows interest in you vs. who is your dream man/woman? Fair point. He did also ask if they are attracted to men with the traits they list on paper, and they expressed that they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 11:37 AM
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You do realise this is because they hadn’t yet found a man who had possessed their desired personality traits, who were also sexually attractive to them and who saw them the same way and were actually available? That's a possibility. It's also possible (and has been said by many women) that they had to working on changing the kind of men they were attracted to via therapy (self-help or professional) and introspection.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 11:34 AM
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That's why he followed up by making a suggestion, and seeing what their response was to his suggestion. He also outright asked them if the were attracted to men who displayed those traits they say they want, and they confessed they weren't. (I'll add that to my post.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 10:56 AM
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I'll ask a last question out of curosity; From a scale of 1 to 5. (1 being uncertain to 5 being certain.) How strongly do you believe you are right about your conclusion about me?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 10:54 AM
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All I did was simply correct something you got wrong. Please learn to control yourself. You're behaving immaturely. I'm turning off reply notifications to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 10:49 AM
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Because the idea that everyone sleeps with at least three people is stupid, Most people likely have, if they are least 25. nd the idea that people only end up with people because they look good on paper and aren’t attracted to them is also stupid. That wasn't what I wrote. However, if you think that doesn't happen, then you don't have much life experience or haven't looked much into the lives of others. People dating people they aren't really sexually attracted to happens. I advise reading and l…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 10:42 AM
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The exercise isn't about looks it's about personality traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 10:39 AM
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Abusers are attracted to people who have a high degree of empathy and who tend to be “fixers” Also people with poor boundaries, they test for people who will let them violate boundaries without leaving. Often by doing smaller boundary violations early in dating. I don’t view abusers as evil monsters. I view them as people with broken inner children who could have grown up healthy had they been given the right early intervention. That may be true, but I wouldn't advise any woman (or man) who is s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 10:38 AM
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OK, so you don't have the life experience to answer the question. Why did you answer the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 10:34 AM
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It’s not about making random choices, you can control who your naturally attracted too, You believe people can choose who they are naturally attracted to? Or did you mistype? If you think you can make yourself attracted to any man, then you possess a unique traits that is not as universal as you seem to think it is. Please ask the women in this sub if they can make themselves attracted to any man. Again, people can put down what they think they might be attracted to on paper but there’s a good c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 10:30 AM
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Question is for single people. But, if you want to answer the question; what were the traits of the 3 men you slept with before you husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 10:25 AM
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People are not patterns or numbers, People's choices are usually patterns. Unless you think that people just make random choices? everyone can put their ideals of a fairy prince/princess on paper but that’s not how life works. Again, that's not the point. The point is; are they attracted to the kind of person they've put down on paper? Most people will have an answer when you ask them what kind of person they are looking for? (Perhaps you are an exception, and no answer to that question.) this i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 10:24 AM
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That sounds so stupid, how do you measure chemistry between 2 people? You can’t Nothing about this is measuring chemistry, it's identifying patterns. Everyone can put their ideals on paper, but that’s not how real life snd real relationships work. You've misunderstood what they were writing. They were writing down traits e.g.; Life partner desired traits; Respectful to everyone. Sensitive. Ambitious. Whereas the men they slept with may have been; A bit of dick to people. Insensitive. Umambitious…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 10:14 AM
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Of course, but the point of the exercise was to see if they are attracted to them. He made the suggestion to the women and there would be agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 10:11 AM
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Like u/Aggressive_Sweet1417 you've created a false dichotomy. We can hold abuser accountable, and encourage people to treat people with respect. While simultaneously on a practical level, we can teach and encourage people to screen/vet people better. It also fails to take into account that abusive relationships don’t just start out that way. Abusers typically lovebomb their victims and slowly start to acclimate them to the abuse. They manipulate, play mind games, shift the blame, and don’t drop …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 09:16 AM
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That photo of Luigi is a skinny to you? You must be trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 09:00 PM
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When they do seek out material for sexual stimulation it's - on average - erotica, not porn. How does having a higher spontaneous sex drive mean that men seek out porn? How does it cause seeking out porn?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 08:57 PM
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This isn't a politics sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:10 AM
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Only porn made by people in the industry that are widely known to be coercive (e.g. Rocco and Pierre Woodman). My disgust sensitivity tends go down quite quickly once I encounter kinks. So I might be initially uncomfortable if they are into a kink I've never heard of, but then I'd probably be OK pretty soon. I don't know how I'd feel if my partner was into BNWO content. (I'm black.)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 05:59 PM
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violation of free will. 50 Shades of Grey and 365 Days
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 05:52 PM
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4) People that don 't look like me. (That isn't my reply, I've just noticed it as recurring comment.)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 05:50 PM
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"Coolness" is status. I’m too young to know and I’m sure everyone else is here too. I believe there was once a time that traits that were beneficial to humanity and the ability to acquire resources was what was selected for. Skilled artists/entertainers and athletes have been popular with women since the beginning of film.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 12:25 PM
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Are you talking about men who complain about men being expected (by a percentage of society) to protect and provide? If so, your post doesn't apply to them, because whether something is happening or not has nothing to do with criticizing an expectation. However - regarding providing - men (in the west and many other countries) often as the norm do pay for; dates, engagement rings, romantic gifts on Valentine's day, etc, and probably experience negative feedback or rejection if they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:10 PM
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I don't think the same men who say they want it are moaning about it. Like I gave the example of the Passport Bros, I've never once seen them complain that money is attractive to women. I've only ever seen them say that having more money relative to the average population makes you more attractive to women. I've never seen them complain about being providers. Are you sure it's the exact same men who say they want traditional relationships are the ones complaining about traditional relationships …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:46 PM
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Red Pillers, passport bros and cultural conservatives do, but they want traditional roles. To be fair, I think most of them probably would provide and protect in the traditional sense for their partners. (I've looked into the passport bros community, and while a lot are sexpats, there are a lot looking for partners and they have no problem being providers for women who make less than them. And they say a reason why they go abroad is that they want a traditional relationship.)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:37 PM
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The men who usually say these things are the men that want traditional gender roles, and they tend to find women that want traditional gender roles too (i.e. the man to make more money than the woman, and to spend more on the her and the family than vice versa. Also provide protection by being a threatening presence to anyone thinking of harming their partner or kids. ) You seem to think all men are saying this, and all men want traditional gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:31 PM
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They test the predictions of their models) e.g. "If X is true, then Y ought to be true." They test what ought to be true. Sometimes psychologists test with no underlying model "what happens when X occurs" but even non-evolutionary psychologists haves model that have suppositions about what drives human behaviors. Non evolutionary psychologists too test what "ought" to be true based on their suppositions of human behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 09:34 PM
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Good Evo Psych creates a testable/falsifiable hypothesis, pop Evo Psych creates Just so stories. However, I used think like you did about Evo Psych until it was broken down to me by 2 Evolutionary psychologists about their use of triangulation, and the Evo psychologists debunking other Evo Psychologists through testing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 02:16 PM
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This isn't how Evo Psych is done, this is pop Evo Psych. Good Evo Psych creates a testable/falsifiable hypothesis, pop Evo Psych creates Just so stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 02:14 PM
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If you meant money, then why didn't you say that. Money is not status. You can be broke and have high status (happens to athletes and music artists).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 10:55 PM
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There is a positive correlation between education and relationship success, based on the data I've seen. You know the 50% divorce statistics for marriages in the US? If you remove people who do not have a college education, then the rate is far lower. Also, if you look at the following link the occupations with the lowest rates of divorce are the ones that basically require a college education (software developer has some leeway). The occupations with the highest divorces rates do not require a …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 07:20 PM
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Girls make their own money, most of the girls i recently dated were usually very happy to pay for dates, splits the bill, pay me gift etc (im in western europe) When a girl likes you, it actually make her happy to pay stuff for you You're speaking as if you're making a universal declaration, but Western Europe doesn't equal the world. Norms are different in other parts of Europe. I'm sure if you go to places in Russia or Eastern Europe with your attitude it won't work out well for you (e.g. beli…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 07:07 PM
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Everyone is free to decide what kind of man they want, but it seems the kind of men you want don't want you. So will you go the way of incels and MGTOW and stew on your own resentment, or change your values? It honestly makes nod difference to me. I was only debating you because I thought this was more than a personal issue and you really were arguing that all women above 30 can't find a loving relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:15 PM
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They kind of men you are after, you are likely right. Rich white guys that date skinny white models, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:13 PM
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I want to be pursued, loved ,spoiled You'll get the love part, and the pursued part, but if you want the spoiled part (meaning a rich man buying good and services for you), then you'll need to get the looks to attract men like that. The gym and healthy eating can get you the body, but the face... Aside from skincare... If you're not born with it then you'll need cosmetic procedures/surgery (which I don't recommend). That kind of advice is the same "tough love" advice that men get in the Red Pill…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:32 PM
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Height is really not as much of a concern for men as it is for women. You seem to be fixated on height. Sydney Sweeney is apparently 5"3. Until her recent photos (and even after them) she is still one of the most lusted after women in the world. Ariana Grande (before her current weight loss) was lusted after by a large number of men, and is apparently 5"3. A lot of fitness women with large accounts - who are lusted after on IG - are not tall, just regular height women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:22 PM
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Yeah, I agree. But that doesn't mean that she would have a hard time finding a long term partner. Also, there is a downside to being beautiful. A downside is that some men date you just to be "trophy" and not because they actually like you. (Although it's only one side of the story, that is Paulina Porizkova's story.) An average faced 5"1 kind, loyal, pleasant personality and fit woman in her 30s likely would not be single long, unless she wants to be. Fit men would snap her up (that is if she's…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:02 PM
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I didn't mean literal beauty queens, if that's what you mean. I meant model looking women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:00 PM
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compared to an average beauty queen Beauty queen level beauty is rare. a 5'1 woman who is in her mid 30s would stand a chance in the dating market compared to an average beauty queen? even if that "old" shortie is super fit and with symetrical face. 5"1 is likely not a negative to most men. Like the user said; having a fit/in-shape body, with fun hobbies, and pleasant personality is going to stand out amongst women in their 30s (unless they live in somewhere like Miami), and definitely in their …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 10:26 PM
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I mean… seeking fame seems to be hard on people regardless of what they’re famous for. I don't believe that. I've heard multimillionarie streamers Asmongold and Hasan who literally sit in their rooms playing video games, reacting to content and talking to chat, talk about hard it is being a streamer and that it's harder than having a regular job. I've worked for minimum wage with abusive members of management. I'm not the only one that said the guy is talking absolute shit. Even other multimilli…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 04:32 PM
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I am chronically online and I just had to google it. I guess it really just is what circle you travel in. Fair point. It popped up on my feed because I dip in and out of manosphere content.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 04:16 PM
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She clearly isn't traumatized by it considering she plans to do another. That isn't evidence of not being traumatized. There are many vets with PTSD who stay in the field. (No, I'm not comparing what she did to Military Veterans. I'm making the point that repeating an action doesn't mean you are traumatized. In fact there is a concept in psychology called repetition compulsion, which is partly about people compulsively seeking out experiences similar to adverse experiences they've received.) I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 03:33 PM
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I wouldn't say that OnlyFans has freed women from the porn industry (As a caveat, there were other platforms where people could be independent creators, but most people knew nothing about them. OF hit the mainsteam, and that's why it revolutionized the industry.) Basically, they can be independent creators if they choose to, however, some chose not to be and sign contracts with agencies. Before they had to go to agents and companies to produce porn. Now they can film it with their phone and uplo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 03:25 PM
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Well said. A friend of mine isn't chronically online, and he had no idea about Lily until I brought it up. He just watches short vids on IG about his interests (fitness, funny stuff/podcasts, interviews, and martial arts).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 03:20 PM
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No response?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 11:53 AM
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I don't think any ideology would claim you can't cherry-pick some counterexamples. It refutes nothing. A few dozens examples is basically the same level of proof offered by RPers that "high value men" don't choose single mothers in their 30s to be their wives. They will point to rich men who don't, and other point to rich men who do. They are referring to a small percentage of the population from the outset. I strongly doubt more powerful and wealthy people behave much differently. I agree... Pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 10:52 PM
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IME people need more specific information/advice than that for it to be useful or motivating. Whu did you mention age gap relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 05:39 AM
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Because statistics do not apply to individuals, they are only useful for generalizations. The post sound like an individual asking for advice, not a general analysis of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 05:26 AM
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I'm planning on making a thread about how many rich and powerful men have married single mothers in their 30s, which is a demographic that the red pill says are for "recreational use only" and have "hit the wall". Those rich and powerful men (including popular and handsome actors) could marry model looking college aged girls, but they chose to marry single mothers in their 30s. Likely because those men actually value other things beyond youth and appearance. A woman late bloomer who has worked o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:26 PM
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In countries where there was no slavery and lynching on the basis of race, is it still worse? (e.g. the Muslim slave trade, which enslaved people of all race). Also, will you respond to my point about height discrimination... There's also implications or outright statements about character, namely masculinity and ability to protect. I'm personally OK with people having preferences, depending on the reason. However, the reason you give sound like rationalization to me, because there are character…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:55 PM
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When you call someone short, you are insulting their height. There's also implications or outright statements about character, namely masculinity and ability to protect. A short man can protect a woman, and a short man can be masculine, however there are women that don't believe that is the case. "I don't feel like a woman if my man is shorter than me." Is paraphrasing something I've heard. So what you said about insulting weight = insulting character (which I don't believe is necessarily true) …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:48 PM
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If there is no violence or right violations involved, racism is less worse than insulting someone because of their weight? Exactly the same? People become short by eating too much and being a lardass? This is what I was referring to when I said exactly the same... Additionally, the reason why I said insulting someone's weight rather than their genetics was worse is because insulting someone's weight often implies an insult of their personal character Which is why I wrote... It's implied or said …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:30 PM
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No, racism is a far worse societal problem because societally people have not been lynched or enslaved due to their weight. If there is no violence or right violations involved, racism is less worse than insulting someone because of their weight? Additionally, the reason why I said insulting someone's weight rather than their genetics was worse is because insulting someone's weight often implies an insult of their personal character - due to the fact that overweight people get there by eating un…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 08:44 PM
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When you insult someone's race you are insulting their genetics. By your reasoning; fat shaming is a more serious social issue than racism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 07:13 PM
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. I highly doubt they are sex traffickers they have no need for that. It's a myth that only desperate men will engage in sexual assault. Diddy (allegedly), Roman Polanski (allegedly), Danny Masterson (convicted), Cosby (confessed) and Mike Tyson (confessed twice on film to assaulting other women, just not the woman he was convicted of) all did not "need" to assault to get sex because they were famous, but they did. I don't doubt though that providing free drugs and a luxury accommodation/lifesty…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 02:48 PM
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Yeah, Annabel Chong was the woman in the documentary that I mentioned. As you likely known, she too had severe trauma from being gangraped.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 01:24 PM
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(Not Red Pill so I'm answering under automod) Literal force... Yes you can. (i.e. slavery, marriage under duress, etc.) Force as in social pressure/negative social consequences... Yes, I believe you can. Do you disagree that interracial dating amongst women in the west has more popular because of less social pressure and negative social consequences? If using social pressure is ethical or not is another question.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:29 AM
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The study does justify my conclusion because the data sets are predictive Ah, I think you're trolling. Brilliant job, you got me. See you later.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:37 AM
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Its only rare because logistically its hsrd to get 100 men to show up in one place and its hard to get a place to host a porn conveniention. But it would happen far more often it is possible. There is no way to know that for certain. I hope you don't think your idea is fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 10:43 PM
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I would expect that dating is easy for you then. If women all think the same, then your dating history can reflect that. Once you've slept with one woman, then it would be extremely easy to replicate seeing as 1 woman = all women. Is that what your dating life is like, sleeping with women at will?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 09:51 AM
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Even if what you say is true, please think of the amount of porn videos that get filmed every single year, and you're saying out of the thousands upon thousands that are released every year there is only a single video that involves a woman doing a 100 person gangbang. That is rare. If there was a single video of anal sex released every year people would say that is rare, relative to the amount of porn that is released each year. The sheer number is far, far more than was released in the 90s.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 11:59 PM
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A lot of pornstars have done gangbangs, but triple digit ones have always been rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 10:20 PM
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I wouldn't equate having a mansion with happiness. If you're interested, here is a write up from a woman who is known around the world for her gangbang birthday celebration about they woman in question... https://x.com/Aella_Girl/status/1866582074775441574
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:26 PM
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I also think it depends on the individual's motivations... If someone genuinely enjoys the experiences then I don't think they are going to be an "empty husk". However, if they are disassociating from the experience because they are only doing it for money/fame or because they are following a trend, then I think it will grind down their spirit. I think it's about congruence with who and what you are. People like Riley Reid, Maitland Ward, Cherie Deveille, and Angela White seem like genuine high …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:59 PM
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Please see my other comment to you. These kind of gangbangs have been around since the 90s, and they are rare. Even hardened pornstars rarely do these kind of gangbangs, despite the thousands of pornstars that have existed there's less than 10 that have done these kind of triple digit gangbangs (to my knowledge). (Also you are disgusted by this, wait until you find out about the Houston 620 gangbang that took place in 1999.) Perhaps you think that due to social media more women will engage in it…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:31 PM
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Nobody tried to stop this woman. Nobody sat this woman down and tell her how what she was going to do to herself was going to destroy her. I don't know how old you are, but these kind of gangbangs by pornstars have been around since the 90s. (The one that was the most popular when I was coming of age was the Houston 620, but there were 2 other pornstars who did like Jasmin St Clair and another pornstar who had a documentary made about her but I forget her name.) It's rare, and it's not new. They…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:26 PM
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If the only person this hurt was her, that would be one thing Lets assume she is hurt by this; Who else is hurt?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:24 PM
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1)No Pill. 2)Blue Pill to Maroon Pill to no pill. 3) Blue Pill by default due to my social environment, then I saw that there were patterns to dating success that the Blue Pill ignores or outright gaslights people about. Then Maroon Pill because I saw that the Red Pill and "the Pill that cannot be named" recognized patterns and made accurate predictions about desirability in dating. However, if you want a relationship with an intellectual and emotional equal, then the Red Pill and "the pill that…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 01:47 PM
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No. Obligation only exists depending on a person's foundational values/objectives. The unconditional perpetuation of the species is not one of mine. (e.g. lets say mass sexual assault was the only way for the species to continue... Then I'd advocate for us to die out.) Regarding the birth rate argument; I want the human race to flourish, but I personally find it disgusting that people want to have kids, or encourage people to have kids, for the primary reason of producing a new generation of wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:37 PM
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But I should also mention that unconditional love doesn't mean putting up with abuse or a partner thats using you. Unconditional means without conditions, and you've just set conditions. However, there's nuance; you can still love someone but not be in a relationship with them. Or do you believe that love is a set of behaviors and not a feeling? If so, behaviors can be done with out corresponding emotion (e.g. caring behavior without caring feelings, like narcissists do). If you do believe that …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:21 PM
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I've criticized both the blue and red pill for exactly what you just pointed out. There's lack of nuance in both perspective, IME. The "pill that cannot be named" actually IME has more niched advice (race/ethnicity, social environment, etc), and when paired with the Red Pill (which is called the Maroon pill) is likely going to improve men's dating prospects far more than Blue Pill advice or Red Pill advice alone. The Blue Pill (I'm just talking about people in this sub) w advice works if people …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 02:32 PM
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Youre effectively arguing the very common and basic restrictions section of a data set refute its premise and findings. This is laughable and incorrect. I haven't critiqued the study, I'm critiquing your use of the studies as justification for your conclusion. Given that this fact is what your argument hinges on, figure that out and get back to me. I haven't made my my argument, I'm critiquing yours. The fact that you thought that referring to other studies was a metastudy shows that you're out …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 06:58 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 09:54 PM
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lol I would get interested in poetry, Why aren't you doing that now? (Please don't reply with rap = poetry. I mean actual poetry.)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 02:34 PM
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Have you considered the following; What most men are looking for is likely a mixture of both a base level of attraction towards (a woman doesn't have to look like a model) and someone they have shared interests with. A base level of physical attraction is different for every man, and fashion plays a role (e.g. blue hair, lots of piercings and healthy tattoos on very average looking woman IMO wouldn't do that woman any favors in the dating market).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 02:31 PM
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You ignored, but it's crucial because you keep talking about basing your perspective on evidence... Can you show me the stats of male strangers attacking women vs bears attacking women, per capita? You also dodged answering this question. I'm not concerned with the why around stats, I'm asking you a very simple question... Also, based on your saying if you want to use stats, then you must advocate for women to be extra careful around black men, because statistically per capita black men commit m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:09 PM
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You don't seem to realize you are arguing an extreme. The high majority of men are not rapists and serial killers, and are not more of a potential threat in comparison to a bear. Again, even when it comes to rape, the majority of rape is carried out by someone the perpetrator knows, not a stranger. So you are basing your opinion on fact, but you keep citing that you are. In your mind, what has been proven?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:05 PM
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I simply don't believe that you've seen men on this forum complain about being rejected for having bad hygiene.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:03 PM
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The point is, they don't think it would be painful or "that painful" before it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:17 PM
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You just finished high school and already see through the BS. Good for you! IMO this sub is basically as gender war fest, which is fun for entertainment but IMO you aren't going to find much beyond that. Men and women portraying men and women as a near monolith, ignoring all nuance and variables, which results in them talking about men and women as if they are textbook archetypes. People in this sub generally do not understand that statistics don't necessarily apply to individuals, nor that over…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 11:56 AM
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Of course we understand, it’s not difficult An easy test to see if someone understands is if they make logical inferences or if they can repeat back to you what you said in their own words. I see a lot of women (and men) in this sub failing to understand when dating struggles are expressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 11:41 AM
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Victim blaming transcends sex crimes. People who are bullied as adults are children are likely immediately asked "Why don't you stand up for yourself?" When people get scammed a lot of people's first response is "LOL, you fucking idiot." If a man is being abused physically or emotionally by a woman, a common response is "What a pussy!" or if he hits her back "A man should never hit a woman". It's not unique to women victims of sex crimes to face victim blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 11:38 AM
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I would not want to sit and listening to my partner every day venting to me about problems. I don't think the high majority of people do, regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 11:34 AM
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Where have you seen men complain about those things?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 11:07 AM
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Or gay men who watch porn of doing this. That does happen. Big dicks in gay porn without prep or stretching for the bottom is talked about as unrealistic IRL for the average bottom to enjoy without unbearable pain or damage. Gay or bi bottom virgins can - and do - think it's OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 11:04 AM
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Yes, explicit discussion is exactly what someone autistic would need in order to successfully have sex Also people into kink (e.g. BDSM) because if boundaries aren't established beforehand you can physically injure, distress or traumatize someone. Open dialogue about preferences and boundaries before sex is extremely common to kinky people, neurodivergent or not. Edit: (cleared up confusing sentence.)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:33 PM
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I repeat from my post... Norah herself said it wasn't the experience of the problems of being a man that lead her to a breakdown, it was the deception and messing with her gender identity. Perhaps you don't think pretending to be someone your not daily and being inauthentic with your gender identity can lead to psychological issues, but I do. (Undercover police get psychological problem due to pretending to be someone they are not, as well as deceiving people.) She literally said it herself in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 11:13 AM
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I've spoken to other men, who didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 06:14 AM
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She had treatment resistant depression BEFORE she did the experiment. To repeat, she had years of a serious mental health problem BEFORE she did the experiment. Her mental health problems did not emerge out of the blue after she did the experiment. Norah herself said it wasn't the experience of the problems of being a man that lead her to a breakdown, it was the deception and messing with her gender identity. Perhaps you don't think pretending to be someone your not daily and being inauthentic w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 06:08 AM
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That's a no then. I wonder if you apply the same method of engage based on race, and not just gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 11:15 PM
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Seeing men in this sub complain about a lack of empathy is fucking rich. Have you considered taking people you engage with on a case by case basis? Treating them as individuals and not a hive mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 11:13 PM
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I respect that you acknowledge you made a mistake. You are the 1st.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 09:49 PM
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“Being rejected once can be enough a deterrent” This is what I wrote... "He's just simply talking about men's experience of regular rejections," The word rejections is plural. You seem to be committed to a lack of empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 07:39 PM
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He's just simply talking about men's experience of regular rejections, and fear of going through more rejections if they attend the event. Can people not talk about their insecurities and experiences dating without it necessarily implying "blaming women"? If I talk about being cheated on, does that mean I'm "blaming women" if I'm scared to get into another relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:42 PM
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That's not true. It's a persistent ideology serving myth perpetuated in the manosphere, by people who don't fact check, like yourself. Norah Vincent deleted herself 16 years after the experience, and she already had a history of treatment resistant depression before she did the experiment as living as a man. Her last book before she deleted was about Virginia Wolf, an author who deleted herself. I've corrected a few people who promote the myth you are promoting. No a single one acknowledges they…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:39 PM
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Because alot of manosphere talk is explaining how women are shallow and that they will totally take a guy that treats her like shit. The manopshere =/= the red pill or maroon pill. The manosphere spans; MGTOW, MRA, The pill that cannot be named, The maroon pill, the red pill, PUA/male dating coaches. So those men you are talking about could be MGTOW who basically all men not to get into relationships with women. 2) You may be assuming that I implied that PUA/Game (social skills to attract women)…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 05:02 PM
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Where, Bumble? Can you tell me about the last 3 experiences of your friends where they asked a man out on a date or for his contacts and he said he wasn't interested? Edit: (Cleared up confusing sentence.)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:24 PM
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We get rejected all of the time! Do you think that women ask men on dates or for men's contacts as often or more often than men do? It seems that women still tend to be largely be passive when it comes to dating and won't ask men on dates or for contacts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:00 PM
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I think a lot of women underestimate how much rejection you need to tolerate when it comes to being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 03:46 PM
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Reason being. because I will eventually grow old, and as I am getting older, I know his preference for younger women will stay the same, and he will always have a wondering eye for younger women. I believe you are right to be wary of men like that, for the exact reason you state, they will likely "trade you" when you start getting older.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 03:44 PM
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You're preaching to the choir if you are aiming what you are saying at Red Pillers or Maroon Pillers, because "game" (attractive social skills to women) and masculine character development is a large part of their advice. You seem to be unaware that personality development is a significant part of the Red Pill's advice. I strongly suspect that a lot of men in the red pill are high functioning autistic or have social anxiety, and (though not it's not automatic if you have those traits) likely str…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 03:39 PM
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1 no, living surrounded with a specific type of people is not itself a threat. If that white man were harassed and stalked by those people every day, then yea I would tell them to move to a safer area That's simply a double standard. You advocate for women to be afraid of every man due to a small minority of violent men. However you do not advocate for a white person to be afraid of every black person due to a small minority of violent men. One applies to race and the other gender, but both use …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 12:25 PM
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Can you show me the stats of male strangers attacking women vs bears attacking women, per capita. (Again, I'm asking very specifically for male strangers, because the original question was about being alone with bear vs man in the woods. I don't want to address your version, I'd like to stick with the original question.) Also, based on your saying if you want to use state, then you must advocate for women to be extra careful around black men, because statistically per capita black men commit mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 11:28 AM
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But many people ridicule women who pick the bear, because they've had no negative experiences of their own. They ignore statistics and just say "well it's never happened to me" or "I've never heard of that" but just because you aren't aware of those things doesn't mean there's not a high chance of that happening to you. What are you basing the idea that there is a high chance that if a woman is alone with a male stranger in the woods she will be killed? Also, please replace everything you just s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:08 PM
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It's not irrational to fear every man as a whole because for someone to have such a great fear, something horrible must have happened to them. Genuine question; would you say the same thing to a white nationalist who grew up in predominantly black or latino neighborhood? And just because women pursue relationships with men does not deter from the fact that men are dangerous. Remember most of the time the perpetrator is someone you know. Do you advocate for women to avoid being alone with men?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 10:44 AM
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You literally just contradicted a post you previously made, that aside... You tried to discredit white nationalists by saying black people commit crime in group, so their justifications for fearing black people are wrong. So why doesn't the fact that men attack men the most invalidate women's justification for choosing the bear? Why do you have a double standard when it comes to race vs gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 01:23 AM
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You didn't my criticism of the logic. I think you realize you can't without justifying white nationalism. Any argument you make in support of fearing all men using stats, a white nationalist can (and does) use to justify fearing all black people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 01:16 AM
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Women know men too, and interact with men frequently. What you just wrote doesn't invalidate my response to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 01:13 AM
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No, the original question was about being a long in the woods with a man or a bear. If you think women were choosing to never be along with a man and would prefer to be alone with a bear. Then that is counter to literally the millions of women in the US (were the meme was most popular) who have boyfriend, husbands and have sex. Do you advise them to literally never be alone with a man under any circumstance? I would rather swim alone with a great white than a man. Have you honestly never been al…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 01:12 AM
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Violence towards women tends to be done by someone the person knows. So, using you introducing in-group violence as a nuance to dismiss white nationalists using statistics and applying it to race, then we can use the same nuance in regards to the question of women choosing to be along with a bear in the words rather than a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 01:09 AM
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There are ways to defend yourself from a bear because their actions are instinctual, but men are more advanced I forgot to address this... Women can defend themselves from men too. (i.e. awareness of signal of danger, avoidance and running being the best). Are you implying that women can't defend themselves against men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 11:21 PM
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Part of the "gotcha" is using statistics to challenge the reasoning. People often cite statistics of male on female violence to justify being afraid of men. However, you can use statistics (like white nationalists do) to justify being afraid of specific races over other races. So the question, how can you (not necessarily literally you, but anyone who justifies choosing the bear based on gender crime stats) denounce white nationalists using the same reasoning but applying it to race rather than …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 11:16 PM
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It is very important to remember in arguements like these the effects of DV because many crimes are committed by people you know rather than strangers. You're right, but the question is about a male stranger vs a bear stranger. A bear does not rape, coerce, drug, pressure, blame, black mail, kidnap, or torture their victims. They only defend themselves from danger, and hunt for food. True, however a death at the hands of a bear can still be horrific... "... Olga, 19, managed to flee but didn't g…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 11:06 PM
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What do you mean by "consuming things for purpose"? I meant to write "consuming things for the purposes of arousal," Doesn't mean women are less visual, just they're not as turned on by watching something as "mechanical" as two people having sex. If they need more than just the visuals to be aroused (unlike men) how can you then say that it doesn't mean they aren't as visually stimulated as men? If men can be turned on by just seeing the mechanics of sex, but women need more (e.g. story, charact…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 10:43 PM
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Women are way more visual than men are. They like things that look appealing to them. When it comes consuming things for the purposes of arousal, women seem to be far less visual than men. If that was the case that women are more visual women's porn would be far more lucrative. There is porn made for women, and it doesn't make anywhere near as much money as porn aimed at men. I also assure you, there is porn shot with cinematography on the level of top tier music video directors, and the consume…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 03:25 PM
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I really don't know what type of double standards are you trying to show here. I think I'm being trolled so you can avoid answering this question which I posed 4 times now, if so you're a brilliant job. I'll try one last time... If the father agrees to adoption, or the father has had their parental rights severed; Do you support a woman giving up parental rights via adoption, being in no longer forced to pay child support? Or even if she gives up parental rights to the child legally, do you beli…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 08:25 PM
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Is this a serious question? Whatever is wrong with the fact that a raped child needs to be protected by the state when they are being raped by their parents? Yes, because you literally just implied the laws were unjust in a previous post, when I mentioned the parental rights severance laws... You can have an entire set of unjust laws but it doesn't imply that I support them, nor does it imply that putting another unjust law is correct . Moving on... No, the father has to also agree. Not if he ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 06:29 PM
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Props to you for being opening to revising your conclusion. Pretty rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 05:51 PM
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Again, I have no idea what you wrote befoehand, but this is my quick attempt at replication... https://imgur.com/a/zE9IdNU
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 05:38 PM
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If you send me the full prompts you sent, I can try to do an equivalent. You only showed mid way through the conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 05:29 PM
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Is this significant? No, I use Chatgpt and other similar apps practically every day. They respond to your prompts. ChatGPT follows the lead from your premises, and tends to hallucinate, use pop science, or engages in bad reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 02:11 PM
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The problem is, red pillers dismiss research regarding sexual strategy so it' seems in practice to be an ideology. Meaning it has a set or presuppositions or sacred beliefs, that can't be revised or debunked. E.g. the Dual Mating hypothesis has been abandoned by evolutionary psychologists, and he believes the mate-switching hypothesis is better. However I heard that RPers hang on to the dual mating hypothesis, and seem to spin conspiracy theories that "the truth" is being suppressed by the same …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 01:19 PM
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Coolidge effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 01:16 PM
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Someone can be delusional, and also be a real influence. The concept is called Beauty overstimulation. There has been a study on it (one study though is not enough to draw a conclusion, of course...) https://www.themarginalian.org/2013/07/03/kenrick-beauty/ I've witnessed it, and experienced it, guys thinking a regular woman is genuinely ugly because she doesn't look like cosmetic enhanced women. I saw a guy talk about the "true Beauty" of a celebrity and laughed when I called an average looking…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 01:13 PM
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Do you live the kind of lifestyle OP is talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 01:10 PM
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The problem is, we can't really argue against what you are saying without risking being banned due to Rule 6. (i.e. no lookism or black pill). Even though I wouldn't argue in support of the black pill, physical attractiveness (from all the research I've seen) are as important as money and status when it comes to improve your dating opportunities. I don't think I can say anymore than that, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 09:09 PM
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I fail to see how a parent can simply sever the other parents rights in adoption. Is this a regional thing? The court does that. Parental rights can be terminated, and then the biological parents I fail to see how a parent can simply sever the other parents rights in adoption. Is this a regional thing? I've said many times here that specific laws are irrelevant to the discussion of the merit of law. You can have an entire set of unjust laws but it doesn't imply that I support them, nor does it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 11:22 AM
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Incels and men who makeup MGTOW believe that most women marry for money and finantial and material gains and comfort and security and stability and women actually don't love their husbands - I don't know where you guys get these beliefs about incels. From I've seen incels are not generally misogynists. They tend to be more self-hating and blue pill hating than woman hating.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 10:27 AM
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Adoption only happens with the consent of both parents, i If parental rights have been legally severed from one parent, are you saying that even then both biological parents have to consent? If the answer no, then the question still stands... How can you coherently support a woman giving up custody and legal guardianship, and no longer being financial responsible for a child, but not supporting a man doing the same? You can't if you support current adoption laws. Every single aspect of morality …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 04:27 PM
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Equality is desirable, but you have to tell biology first Men do not have abortion rights because they can't get pregnant, its that easy. There's nothing biological/physical linking a man's money to a baby, so any obligation you are arguing for is mind-dependent and enforced through violence. You're calling it a financial abortion, a different description is; forcing a man to pay for a child that they may not have wanted, nor have any involvement with. If you take the argument away from an attem…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:38 PM
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No, as I said, I also did all the household chores, ran errands, cleaned and cooked. My mistake. No idea why my mind glazed over that. I would call your relationship inverted then. My WIDER contention is that even in traditional marriage, there isn't MUCH of a difference between the man and the woman. Hell, even conservative women don't act submissive - Hell, men on this sub even ADMIT that when they say "submissive", they just mean "easy to get along with". It seems you are focusing on personal…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:11 PM
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In your opinion a woman being the breadwinner is the sole criteria for a relationship being considered inverted?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:09 PM
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I grew up in a religious household, and from what I've seen, there's no such thing as an actually "submissive" wife and a "dominant" husband. In the past and still in some religious household in the present men were in charge of all major decisions related to finances and the family. That is a dominant positions, because the man has the authority to control/influence the lives of everyone in the family, but the wife doesn't. You partner being the breadwinner IMO that alone isn't an inversion in …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:48 PM
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I get the feeling that despite all our pushes for progressiveness, most people forget about hetero role reversal or just never considered it as a possibility to begin with…? I don't believe in the idea of a blank slate. I believe that women are more inclined to quasi-traditional gender roles, like studies in Scandanavian countries (i.e. the gender equality paradox) concludes. I think the high majority of women prefer a men to; pay (display that they will use their resources on them), make as muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:40 PM
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OP said... A hetero relationship with a complete inversion of gender roles Meaning you are submissive and your partner is dominant. Was that your relationship with your girlfriend? If neither of your were dominant, nor submissive, then what OP said doesn't apply to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:30 PM
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I think (and hope) a lot of them will grow out of it. A lot of permaonline young millennial men did (myself included) when the Manosphere first rose to popularity. What tends to happen is the most vocal, sensationalist (and usually ignorant) voices of men's and women's well-being groups tend to get the most attention, and the most nuanced people do not (e.g. there is a stark difference between Warren Farrell and people like Arako on youtube).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:24 PM
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The solution for this is for men to adopt the same attitudes towards women, by shunning or attacking women's issues such as abortion and hiring privileges ...Men should engage in political/social movements to lessen feminist influences. In fact this is already happening, and it's heartwarming to see young men turning out for Trump and Vance, who will do tremendous work to attack feminist and leftist interests. How exactly does that solve the problem of misandry?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:11 PM
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Fortune favors the mind prepared - Louis Pasteur Based on everything you've said, here's how to increase your luck; A numbers game approach to online dating (which is a common strategy, time spent honing the perfect witty message is better spent messaging a large number of women something about what they mentioned in their bio, and seeing who replies and is open to conversation). Put yourself in a social environment where you will regularly interact with women, so it increases the chances of you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:06 PM
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The issue I have is that there are a lot of parents that won't educate their kids, despite the reality being that they are likely to be exposed to porn before they even hit their teen years. I think we're in a agreement because you approve of educational books, just not erotica for kids, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 12:46 PM
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Edit: u/ParadoxicalFrog2 is right. MGTOW and Red Pillers do not advocate walking away from their kids. Andrew Tate advocated seeing your kids 1 a year or so, but he nolonger calls himself redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 07:24 PM
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What conservative pundits have you come across that advocate for men walking away from raising their children? All the ones I've seen preach family values. I think you're confusing MGTOW and Red Pill for conservatism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 12:36 PM
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I'll try to remember to let you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 11:54 AM
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Well the incel community and right wing seem to be very much anti-women at the moment particularly with the statements coming out after Trump's election win. This isn't an incel or right wing sub. Red pill =/= incel. Do you think it does? I haven't said I'm okay with women walking away from children. I'm aware that's why I asked. The social cost of abortion is not the same as the social cost of and uncared for and unloved child. So the determining factor for you social cost, not specifically the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 11:52 AM
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I asked because you are concerned about access to books, but - as you know - the internet gives every child access to graphic images just by typing in a single word into a search engine, reddit or X. I would honestly advocate no parent give their kids a smartphone, nor free access to the internet unless they are in the same room as their kids. However, even then other kids they are friends with or at school can show them content. So unless parents enmasse take my advice, IMO it's a losing battle…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 11:30 AM
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Reddit hosts a large amount of porn, do you support an ID pass for Reddit? (Genuine question.)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 11:19 AM
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Why does it seem to be less willing to stigmatise absent fathers? I used to regularly see shows on Ricki Lake, Maury, etc, stigmatizing absent fathers. Absent fathers have been heavily stigmatized by the mainstream and conservative communities, IME. Unless you are talking about the RP community? What a woman does after sex is not your responsibility, the act of sex however is your responsibility. You're against men walking away from children, but are you OK with women walking away from children …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 11:12 AM
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It could also be the culture within the discipline. I do notice that 70s and 80s western style karate/kickboxing and western boxing may not have the same culture of humility as say modern Muay Thai, or BJJ. That could be a factor I think that's a factor; I went to a Muay Thai class that didn't have any people who I would suspect were aggressive. We did have 2 guys come to our class 1 day who I was told by another member that they were very violent people, they never showed up again. I think beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 12:34 AM
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That was a single example, I've personally witnessed that same guy start a fight. Guys who train are more likely to be disciplined, confident and more secure, and so less likely to start fights. Again, I think that is location dependent. Also, have you considered that it just makes you more of what you are or want to be? (Like the saying; money just amplifies who you are.)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 12:16 AM
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. There’s a surrounding culture of violent career criminality. If you were to drop a martial arts gym in the middle of that culture, would it likely attract a bunch of ruffians? Certainly. So based on what you're saying, it has nothing to do with training in marital arts it's to do with social environment if people training are likely to be aggressive or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 12:04 AM
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The older women get the less they are likely to cheat, the older men get the more they cheat. Can you show me a link to that research? I haven't seen you comment shit to a man That's simply because you haven't looked. If you look through my comment history you'll find comments I made today. Okay so if you are encouraging them to see the "why" of a happiness gap in marriage what is the why? Why do men slowly begin to dislike their marriage more over time? I don't claim to have any definitive answ…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 11:53 PM
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But just because you can name have a dozen knuckleheads that were trouble makers and who also trained in fighting that doesn’t prove the point. I think you've focused on the names, rather than the sub-cutlures I was referring to. I'll make it clearer; There is a well-known sub-culture amongst white violent career criminals in London going back to the 60s, and amongst the traveller (gypsy) community here in the UK, of training in boxing. If you're interested you might find characters like Roy Sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 11:44 PM
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statistics, bro. did you mean to add instagram or?? No, survey platforms. . But stats do show that married couples are happier, married men die later, and divorce significantly has a negative impact on men emotionally. OK, like I said men being less happy compared to women in marriage, doesn't mean that they are unhappy. That's what she was talking about. Also, to clarify, she is speaking about the longer the marriage. Do the stats your aware of break down happiness by marriage length? Have you …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 10:42 PM
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May I ask where you live where instances of rape and assault are so low, but men will randomly beat the shit out of other men for no reason? Statistically, men are more far more likely to be victims of common assault and murder than women. However, women far more likely than men to be victims of sexual assault. That's true in the US, Canada and the UK. As a woman you are far less likely to have a random guy punch you in the face because you looked at him "funny" than a man. The high majority of …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 10:18 PM
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Quite the opposite in fact, those who are trained in violence are often the LEAST aggressive in the room. I've heard that before and I don't buy it. I think it's location dependent. I've trained with habitually violent and bullying men in martial arts. IMO martial arts tends to attract men with anger issues, and they are channeling it into martial arts. Here in the UK with have tradition of violent career criminals who have trained in combat sports; The Kray brothers, Lenny Maclean, Roy Shaw, Le…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 10:09 PM
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How many "dominant bullies" are whining online about being incels? Probably none, unless they are very unattractive. The Andrew Tates of the world are doing fine with women. He does fine with women. Very beautiful and highly desired women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 09:59 PM
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I agree with you. I think the majority of people probably have status based double standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 09:57 PM
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It was impressive & inspirational & that’s coming from a lady! Genuine question... Does him being a convicted rapists, and openly admitting to rape (he is on video on 2 occasions saying that he didn't take advantage of the woman he was convicted of, but he did take advantage of other woman), make you feel any way about him? I strongly suspect that if men do not have extremely high status and admit or are convicted of those things, they will not get the positive regard that Tyson still has. Do yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 09:41 PM
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To be fair to Joe (I'm not a fan) I don't think he was serious with that comment, and just found her getting the ick from that act funny, and was making a joke. (I remember watching that part of the podcast.) Also, why do you use the term psychopathic synonymous with violence? You can have a perfectly fine functioning capacity for empathy and emotion and still be highly violent. Slavery has been rampant across the globe for millennia, do you honesty think all who participated or owned slaves wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 09:37 PM
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I would say a woman is expired once she has children because us high quality men don’t deal with single mothers Red Piller Donovan Sharpe (who was in a relationships with a single mother, but hid it from everyone until someone exposed him) challenged a content creator to find a list of 10 "high value man" who was got married to single mothers in their 30s. He found 24 men, some rich and successful, and some famous, rich, and successful. Donovan never responded. A small content creator said the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 09:23 PM
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I'm going to make a thread about this topic. I think the Russian saying is more accurate, that women's desirability in the dating market takes a significant hit at 40, but 25 is way too early. (Though, of course, it's not a straight line of desirability, it declines from 20s, but seems to take a steep hit post 40). There are number of highly desired (rich, famous and successful) men who marry single mothers in their 30s, and these men can easily find a model looking 20 something who doesn't have…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 09:12 PM
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It’s not true. What are you basing that belief on? Idk who the fuck Aella is but twitter surveys with a bunch of angry men isn’t a good representation I specifically said that her samples aren't just from X. Also, less happy than women in long term relationships, doesn't mean unhappy. Though there are studies that dispute that men are less happy than women in relationships, but that is the nature of research. (I hope you know though, that happiness measurements are never static and can change wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 08:37 PM
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I agree, but I think it's more than just looks. I've learned over the course of my life that Charisma is a real thing and a person can get away with a lot if they are charismatic, and know how to make people feel good through rebuilding rapport. Looks, Status and Charisma = you can be a prick and a large number of women will still want to date you. (e.g. Sean Connery openly spoke about domestic violence as a good thing to keep women in check.)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 02:14 PM
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The literal definition of misogyny is the hatred of women. No man that wants to date or have sexual relationships with women has any real hatred towards them Misogyny has a broader definition than just hatred, it can be used to refer to prejudice, disdain, or perceived inferiority of women. You may be surprised to find that there are racists who sleep with people outside their race, members of a race that the openly express disdain or hatred for. Sexual attraction =/= positive regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 02:10 PM
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Its like the bible there is a bit of truth to it but a whole lot of really toxic bullshit. IMO the only good parts of the RP are; Getting podcasts men and women to discuss and debate dating and relationship desires and expectations (though the most popular ones are just based on intentionally creating drama and humiliating the woman.) Using psychology studies about attraction and evolutionary psychology studies (though RP men cherry pick studies and misrepresent evolutionary psychology. There's …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 12:50 PM
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Ah yes, the “women good, men bad” narrative perpetuated by those GSS surveys. The surveys don't lead to that thinking, as long as you look at age differences. Gen Z and Millennials have men and women cheating at the same rate. The Gen X and Boomer women are the ones that have a gender gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 12:29 PM
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Saying that men in relationships are getting a worse deal is offensive and insulting to women. Let's say it's true, what would you advise men to do. Aella does a lot of independent surveys (using X and other platforms) according to her men in long term relationships are less happy than women are in long term relationships. It may not have anything to do with women, it may just be the role they are expected to be in relation to being a husband and a father. They may have designed a life which is …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 12:25 PM
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Do you disregard all studies based on self-reports? If not, how do you choose which ones to accept?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 12:20 PM
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You’re not gonna get anything from another woman thinking you’re hot, right? Status. Attractive people (especially attractive women) are valued by both men and women. Like Will Storr says (paraphrasing) Status is about being positively regarded by the real or imaginary crowd. I agree with Will Storr that Status is a core human need (to varying individual degrees), and not everyone seeks status in the same way, but looksmaxxing is a predictable form of status seeking that women do. Religious wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 12:15 PM
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Again as I pointed out before most men will not agree to no penis in vagina sex, not long term anyway. You don't need most men to be something. You just need a man to be OK with something. And I don’t know the pain of fatherless children!?! What an assumption for you to make I didn't claim certainty the words I used were... "I don't think..." And I wrote that because if you did, I would find it surprising that you advocate for children to grow up fatherless. Sorry to hear about your terrible exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 08:21 PM
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You can do that, but I believe as a man that it will damage your dating prospects. It's not a hill worth dying on if you're an average looking guy, IMO. I believe the appeal of it to women is likely a biological instinct, and I think the intellectual reasons given by women why they like it are rationalizations. (e.g. "I spend this much on make up to look good", "it shows a man cares").
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 04:28 PM
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And what is your reply to we can also be prevented from even obtaining condoms? Don't do penis in vagina sex. When all added together it is no longer worth it. Because finding men who do not view you as a function or an object is hard as hell. Weeding through the hundreds of men who believe our soul purpose is to be a “helpmate” for men. To clean their house and satisfy their needs, have their babies and raise them doing most of the domestic labor while holding down a job that does not offer pai…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 03:52 PM
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It doesn’t make sense to ignore other important motivations for a very broad behavior (avoiding sex with men) and then claim the motivation is wrong/erroneous I've never once said it's wrong. That's what you've imagined what I'm implying and treating it as fact. What you've imagined isn't necessarily reality. I have no objection to the other reasons, if women want to abstain from sex and dating men then that's their right. They aren't obliged. I do object to brainwashing heterosexual girls (mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 03:31 PM
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I see so you think I live in the US and am lying. You have contributed noting to this discussion. No point in engaging with you anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 03:01 PM
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Plain and simple this “vetting” process is a huge pain in the ass Anyone and everyone needs to vet if they want to find a compatible long term partner. If someone doesn't vet, then they aren't approaching dating in a socially and emotionally mature way. And how old are you? Why? The pull out method does not work as sperm is present in the precum lubricant created by men. And sperm can travel you get a penis anywhere near our vagina, vulva, anus and yea there is a risk of pregnancy. That is basic…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:59 PM
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I'm only speaking about a specific cited motivation, not the whole movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:50 PM
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I think you have to understand that it's not about "punishing" men because that implies that women are always thinking about your feelings. That's not true based on some of the most popular 4B movement tik tok videos/ This is also why I have a hard time understanding the obsession of getting sex that some men have, its really nothing special, A lot of men really enjoy sexual pleasure and the female body. To you it's nothing special, but you seem to be engaging in what's called the Typical Mind F…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 09:23 PM
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Just because there are other ways doesn’t mean either or both parties want them. Especially men. There are women and men who enjoy non penetrative sex. I assure you (many bi and lesbian women and bi and gay men enjoy sex that doesn't involve penetration.) I see no reason why hetero people can't learn to enjoy non-penetrative sex. Sex without any safety guarantees is riskier than that with them Non penetrative sex is a pregnancy guarantee. But if you want a 100% guaranteed about safety from sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 09:18 PM
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I respect that. Honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 09:13 PM
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Do you plan to argue in good faith or build more strawmen? I didn't make a claim, so it's a strawman. Also, none of your posts to me have in good faith, I responded to you in the same way you've been addressing. see how easy it is to reveal your true agenda? What do you think my true agenda is? Please state it plainly. Do you think I made this post simply to say Trump and Kamala supporters are both morally bankrupt? I didn't, but that is what I think. You attempted to conceal a political agenda …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 09:12 PM
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Here's what I wrote; I don't live in the US. I also honestly don't care if some women abstain from sex with men. What do enjoy though is calling out bullshit. What part do you not understand or think I'm lying about? About not living in the US? Or about enjoying calling out bullshit?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:52 PM
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Did you use 2 forms like I mentioned? If not, your comment doesn't apply to what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:32 PM
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PIV intercourse, which is what most people want and consider sex I agree. However, to say if can't get an abortion I won't even do mutual masturbation or mutual oral sex with a man is irrational. It's impossible to get pregnant in that situation (unless you are raped).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:31 PM
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Non penetrative sex is without risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:26 PM
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What form of birth control? Every single form? Female condoms and male condoms? Another alternative is non-penetrative sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:23 PM
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Again…..pearl index. I already addressed that. Non-penetrative sex is available. You believe that long term partners would always mean well, when in reality they carry the highest risk of rape. I've never said that, nor implied that. In fact I literally just had a back and forth with someone in this very thread about recognizing that You believe that long term partners would always mean well, when in reality they carry the highest risk of rape. Where are you getting that data from? Your anecdote…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:18 PM
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They aren’t going to have sex bc fuck men. I don't understand that sentence. Stealthing still affects us bc it exposes you to stds It's clear you didn't read my post, because I spoke about using a female condoms. and it means your partner is dangerous True. However, the potential of your partner being dangerous exists even if Harris got voted in. What would be your solution to the potential of a dangerous partner if Harris got voted in, and why can't that same advice apply because Trump got vote…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:14 PM
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Tbf unfortunately the majority of guys actually treat women poorly so i dont blame them for going 4B. I'm simply just addressing this particular cited motivation, nothing a else about their reasoning. I won't (and don't) argue against the other cited motivations.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:09 PM
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If you present a deductive or inductive argument, then we can all assess if it's rational or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:06 PM
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And you totally ignore that the male partner might not work with you. An IUD and female condom doesn't require the male to work with you. They might stealth you, they might pressure you or they might simply rape you. Yes, rape is a risk. The best way to minimize the risk is with a medium or long term partner. And don’t tell me that the majority of men would say: „no p in v is cool with me“. No the majority, but you don't need the majority. I'm black, there are parts of the world I could go to (l…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 04:46 PM
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Most men don't want to use condoms. As you know, there are other forms of contraception. Most men will take condom sex over no sex. Do you disagree? And most don't want no PIV sex. There are outliers but they are outliers True. But if you abstain from any sex, then you will 100% not find the men who are outliers. To take you mind outside of this subject to understand; I could move (I'm black) to a place in Europe which is a nation renowned for a mainstream rise in White Nationalism or neo-nazism…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 04:34 PM
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I can't reply to your other post for some reason, so I'll reply here... You wrote: Wrong. There is no cohesive "movement". Some women have decided that men as a whole do not act in the interests of everyone, so they've withdrawn. Other women have decided to refuse strangers and/or vet men with the scrutiny of a government agency in order to determine their values and actions. Regardless of adherence, women know that selfish, sexist, racist men are unlikely to offer a selfless sex act, so the OP …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 04:25 PM
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Its a lot easier just to avoid sex. It's only easier for people who have a low sex drive. I was a part of a religious community, and abstinence (including no masturbation) is likely only easier for people who can't get sex even if they tried, and/or have a low sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 04:21 PM
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Testing to see if I can leave a comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 04:18 PM
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The movement is against sex for all men, so do you see all men like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 04:02 PM
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The movement doesn't differentiate between men by voting block, it's a blanket refusal for all men; liberal, conservative (or neither), any race or ethnicity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 04:00 PM
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Ah, no problem. You’ve been very measured and thoughtful in your responses and I’m happy to discuss. Same to you. I personally don’t really think the 4B movement has legs, but in particular I don’t think very many women in medium- or long-term relationships are seriously considering cutting off sex with their men in any case. You're correct, perhaps I'm being taking things too literally (myself and someone who knows me well strongly suspect I'm autistic) and without nuance. You're probably right…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 03:59 PM
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Off topic request; if you do have a child who is a boy, please do not teach him to think he is inherently awful or a predator by virtue of being male.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 03:17 PM
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I love how casual you are about sexual not assault leading to pregnancy if she takes enough precautions. You've read way too much into that comment. Edit: For the record stealthing is a terrible thing and men shouldn't do it. My point was to put any risk solely in the women's power when it comes to any issues with men's condoms. I'll copy and paste a response I made to someone else if you are willing to sincerely engage; That is a valid point. I'm not ridiculing you, I'm going to paraphrase what…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 03:10 PM
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That is a valid point. I'm not ridiculing you, I'm going to paraphrase what you are saying... The risk of being raped by a partner (even a medium or long term boyfriend) who you engage in sex with is high enough to warrant refusing to have sex with all men, even your long term partner? I honestly can't fathom why someone would date someone who the seriously think would rape them. I'm not saying that rape in medium and long term relationships doesn't happen, because it definitely does, what I am …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:53 PM
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The movement is cutting of sex with all men, not just Trump supporters. Are you arguing that all men don't respect women's rights and health?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:48 PM
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Yes, if the only complain is about pregnancy risk from consensual sex, then it's lacking in logic because there are ways to have consensual sex that don't risk pregnancy (i.e. making sure the penis is nowhere near the vagina when ejaculating).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:44 PM
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I agree. Women who really like sex with men will likely want to have sexual intimacy of some kind, and so they will find a way to do it without pregnancy risk. (e.g. the Christian and Arab girls who do anal to preserve their vaginal virginity, Oral only, etc). However, other reasons given (e.g. society issues with women's treatment) IMO very valid, and I don't (and won't) argue against them. Men can (and do) respond to what women want from sexual partners (the whole PUA and Red Pill movement is …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:42 PM
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I'm not saying I'm surprised, I'm saying it's irrational. There are ways of having sex that don't risk pregnancy. (I'm guessing you don't need me to list physical acts?)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:33 PM
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Men lie to get women into bed. I’ve had men brag about how much they love going down that never went down on me. Fair point. easier to do no sex than some sex and then stop I think the lack of self control on the woman's part is a valid argument. I'd guess that if a woman is bisexual she would have more self-control and wouldn't think it will lead to her wanting a penis in her vagina. not getting an extremely painful procedure for men. I’ve gone to the er bc a REGULAR gyno apt where all the do i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:31 PM
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Then I would advise using female condoms. To put the power back in your hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:27 PM
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I'm sorry you got raped. I want to make it clear, when I ask the following that I'm not blaming you, but I want to understand your circumstances... How long had you been dating the man? I ask that because with education (e.g. how to spot a narcissist) and dating someone for say 6 months before physical intimacy, it's easier (though no guaranteed) you can spot red flags. For example; insisting on always breaking boundaries, no matter how small they are. However, I want to make this clear, if a wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:25 PM
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most men dont go down on women Why not ask men if they do before your date them? Those men exist. —lol I’m not doing anal sex. I'll list things you can do; Clitoral stimulation with toys or fingers. Naked humping. Cunnilingus, Fellatio. Mutual masturbation. Mutual oral. Also, you can do BDSM, roleplay, and other kink's incorporating those acts I just mentioned. You are fine w the risks bc you are not a woman The risk don't exist if the penis is nowhere near the vagina when the man ejaculates. —c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:21 PM
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Which others? What demographic that I'm a part of that are you negatively stereotyping? Again, I simply don't think you understood that I was addressing a single claim (of pregnancy risk as motivation) and no other claim of motivation. I haven't (and won't) dispute the other claims. In fact, I've argued that if women stopped dating men with poor moral character that would help change things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:11 PM
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Perhaps you don't realize this, but you are simply agreeing with me that the reasoning for that specific claim is irrational. So, you weren't disagreeing with me, you simply just didn't understand what I was debating.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:56 PM
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I am tired by the same rhetoric and I asked it before. No one answered. Similar motivation. I got downvoted when I made this response in a previous thread, and noone answered.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:54 PM
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It’s very simple. If you have sex, regardless of how careful you are, there is some chance of getting pregnant. If the penis goes nowhere near the vagina it's impossible. The question is why are some men so twisted up about the life choices of women who don’t want anything to do with them? Do you think you’ll be able to argue your way into their pants? I don't live in the US. I also honestly don't care if some women abstain from sex with men. What do enjoy though is calling out bullshit. However…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:53 PM
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Nothing of what you just wrote addresses my argument. You're arguing against a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:42 PM
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This reason is irrational. (Unless, they are admitting that they lack the self-control to avoid when turned on asking for penis in vagina sex.) The other reasons may be rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:41 PM
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Typical man logic in this sub. It's simply logic, I'll show your through deductive logic... Premise 1 - Some claim that the reason why some women want to avoid sex with men is to avoid pregnancy. Premise 2 - There are ways of having sex that don't risk pregnancy. Conclusion - therefore the claim that some women are avoiding sex with men is because they don't want to risk pregnancy is false. That is my argument. You haven't said anything that actually addresses my argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:36 PM
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You didn't address my argument. And that isn't my intention, I don't live in the US. I'm simply pointing out the lack of logic. Which you obviously can't dispute.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:34 PM
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Did you read my post in full? Because I predicted your point and addressed it... If you argue that 2 forms of contraception can't 100% guarantee no pregnancy, all I'll simply do is remind you of my 1st point. There is no rational way to argue that non-(penis)penetrative sex can lead to pregnancy, but non-penetrative sex can still create sexual pleasure, physical intimacy and orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:32 PM
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That's a strawman. This is my argument; Premise 1 - Some claim that the reason why some women want to avoid pregnancy. Premise 2 - There are ways of having sex that don't risk pregnancy. Conclusion - therefore the claim that some women are avoiding sex with men is because they don't want to risk pregnancy is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:30 PM
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Like why are you so worried, I'll repeat myself; Part of the point of this sub is debate. Some people are making a claim, and I'm debating it. I'll use your same reasoning; why are you so concerned about this thread that you commented on it? There are are large number of other threads you can read and comment in. Why is your response acceptable to you, when it's practically same as mine; I commented in any I saw. I saw a point that I wanted to debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:25 PM
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Could you provide an example where pregnancy risk, birth control and maternity health isn't the focus? I honestly don't know what you're asking for. Can you give me a hypothetical answer that I could give? Because I assure you it's not the risk of pregnancy, it's the risk of being forced to carry, dying from a miscarriage ect. ] That is all contained within the concept of pregnancy risk. The risk is any and every consequence of pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:24 PM
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I see. You're arguing that the problem is a lack of self-control with the woman. I don't see that spoken about. (Obviously the man is a rapist if he doesn't respect her no.)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:22 PM
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I'm outside the US. Part of the point of this sub is debate. Some people are making a claim, and I'm debating it. I'll use your same reasoning; why are you so concerned about this thread that you commented on it? There are are large number of other threads you can read and comment in.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:18 PM
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I'm debating because I've seen it mentioned in this sub, and my post saying this got downvoted, so there must be some people here who believe it is just about pregnancy risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:17 PM
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You agree with then that it's not about avoiding pregnancy risk, like I've seen mentioned in this sub. That is the only claim I'm disputing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:16 PM
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In my experience, men, more often than not, pressure to go condomless. I advise any woman to immediately cut contact with men who try to pressure you into doing things you don't want to do. However, there are men who are perfectly fine with using condoms, and there are men who will literally insist on it. Regarding the pull out method... Please remember I'm advising to use methods in combination with another method, not by itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:16 PM
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No, I've heard it said in this sub that the reason why some women say they refuse to have sex with men is because of pregnancy risk. I'm specifically addressing that claim, no other claim. You obviously agree with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:13 PM
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Which is still not 100%. No contraceptive is 100%. There are lots of pill babies and condom babies and even IUD babies out there. Some people are just extremely fertile. Which is why you combine 2 methods. Then it's probably more likely that you get struck by lightning that conceive. How many babies do you know have been conceived by people using 2 methods of contraceptive? I've only ever heard 1 method failing, like you point out. Also, like I said, there are other ways of having sex other than…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 11:58 AM
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Sure... https://www.youtube.com/@AllAsianDilemmas https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaUnvarnished
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 11:51 AM
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Again... Why do you think women continue to have sex despite the orgasm gap?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 09:08 PM
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Exactly. Whenever people blame feminism for declining fertility rates, it shows that they have not looked at non-woke/feminist nations that have the exact same issues. That shows that it has nothing to do with feminism. I'm subbed to a few channels that translate Chinese social media videos about gender relations and dating, and I can honestly say the things spoken about are the exact same things on western social media, and China is definitely not woke.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 08:04 PM
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Yet you can't even hold yourself responsible for dating women you don't even like. Accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 08:01 PM
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Based.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 08:00 PM
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Why do you think women continue to have sex despite the orgasm gap?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:53 PM
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It just takes one pregnancy to kill us. When you combine 2 contraceptive methods the risk is basically nil. Also, there are other ways of having sex other than vaginal penetrative sex. So again, I don't think this is just about pregnancy risk. Swearing off any sex (e.g. Oral sex) to avoid pregnancy either means they don't know how conception works, or they are doing it for other reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:39 PM
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It doesn't, you don't have to have an orgasm to enjoy sex. Good doesn't mean great. One of the most memberable sexual experiences I had didn't involve ejaculation because my GF had to leave to go somewhere. Felt mindblowingly good though. Another was that I had an appointment and had to leave, and I can never forget how good it was. Also, why do you think women continue to have sex with men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:32 PM
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The odds of getting pregnant when using a condom are pretty low. Combine it with the pull out method and it's practically nil. So unless all the women who a proposing it are unaware of the effectiveness of the combination I just mentioned, it seems that they have another motive than just avoiding pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:30 PM
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I'm sure personal experience can vary, but I would find the notion that your experience is actually a reflection of general to be doubtful at best. I look at what was taught in mainstream culture, i.e. public institutions, TV and magazines. They weren't teaching men to hit the gym, make a lot of money and have a successful career to maximize desirability in dating. The advice was normally be nice, make an effort (e.g. romantic gestures) and just be yourself. In my experience I was taught the suc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 02:12 PM
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TV, magazines? No, the only TV shows I heard giving this advice were comedy ones. From my perspective the advice was not mainstream, based on what you just wrote. Which was what my original post was about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 11:00 AM
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Genuine question; do you think your location/social environment was mainstream? Meaning; if you grew up in an upper-middle class conservative social environment then that wasn't reflective of the 90s and 00s mainstream culture. I'm not talking about the advice you get from your family group, I'm talking the advice you get from media (which at the time would be TV, magazines, cross-culture, etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 10:45 AM
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40. I grew up in a liberal westerm part of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 08:54 PM
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Again, neurospicy people understand the challenges of other neurospicy people. You seem to be assuming that there would be automatic compatibility, empathy and compassion. I'm telling you that's not the case, and why I'm inviting you to actually look at what neurodivergent people are saying about their experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 07:53 PM
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Again, I invite you to lurk on the subreddit and watch videos of neurodivergent people talking about their experiences. You talk as if you have an easy solution to people's problems. I assure you, you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 07:51 PM
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Nope. Even neurospicy people should be themselves. I think a lot of people who say that think of the eccentric people in movies, and not reality. I think you are unaware of the difficulties that autistic people have socializing. A complaint many have is making and maintain friends, and struggles dating. "being themselves" has not worked. I know from experience that being myself is a bad idea. If you don't know, I advise lurking on r/aspergers and watching youtube videos of autistic men and women…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 07:47 PM
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A lot of the guys who the "be yourself" advice works for, are unlikely to be the kind of men who consume content and books about theories of attraction. I strongly suspect a lot of the men who consume Red Pill content are neurodivergent, and "being themselves" leads to issues because they lack social intelligence and emotional intelligence. I've known a bunch of promiscuous men, and none of them likely could break down dating markets like I can, but they have significantly more success than me b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 05:54 PM
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working out, making money, being successful, or even the stoic masculinity is NOT a groundbreaking knowledge. The bolded was not mainstream advice when I was growing up. I can imagine what people would say in mainstream western society if a man said (in casual language); "I need to make an above average income, have a successful career, and hit the gym, to increase/become more attractive in the dating market to women." I strongly suspect most young men would get backlash that they are painting w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 05:45 PM
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My response although I'm not blue pill; If you just want sex then the Red Pill advice is likely pretty good. If you want a healthy relationship; I think a mixture of Evolutionary psychology (The Red Pill is not evolutionary psychology, though it uses a twisted version of it), data from people like Logan Ury to learn how to maximize desirability in the dating market. And listening or reading long term relationship experts like Ester Perel, in order to learn how to develop a healthy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 05:39 PM
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Something I've noticed is that many people don't consider that generation by generation social norms can significantly change. It's short sighted to think that what was true for boomer and Gen X must be true for Millennials and Gen Z.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 10:30 PM
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I think that women's sexuality has become far less shamed (which is a good thing), but with that lack of shame means that the good and bad comes out (just like it does with men's sexuality).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:06 PM
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I believe it's a survey asking if they've every cheated, not if they are currently cheating. So an 80+ year old man is likely not banging outside of his marriage, but he may have when he was in his 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 12:03 AM
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That's it. Clear generational difference, the gap is now closed (based on that survey, though I'd like to see it replicated).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 12:02 AM
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, but men cheat more then women. That seems to depend on the generation demographic. I've only seen one study break it down by age (US stats), and Gen Z and Millennial men and women cheat just as much as men, according to research from 2010-2015 survey from the GSS according to the Institute of family studies summary... https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 09:04 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 05:06 PM
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However, height absolutely plays a role in depth. Absolutely is a very strong word. What meta-analysis are you going to present to back up your assertion? I never mentioned anything about absolutes or certainty when I wrote my reply, I made it clear I was just speaking about the consensus on forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 09:35 PM
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If someone considers it cheating, then it's cheating to them. Why not just find someone who doesn't consider it cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 04:16 PM
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all pussies are not made equal and it's honestly dumb that this is even up for debate. I shouldn't have to explain to adults that a 90 lb woman most likely has a smaller pussy than a 6'5 300 lb woman. Not to brag (seriously) but I'm on some "big dick" forums (another account), and the consensus is that there's no correlation between height and pussy size. If a man goes around saying he needs a woman with a small, tight pussy then he is ridiculed for having a small dick. Instead of normalizing sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 04:09 PM
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They have utility in a broad range of situations that occur on a daily basis, whereas being charming and flirty is basically irrelevant except on the first or second date. Charisma also works platonically and in the business context, and it's also an important part of what makes people captivating performers when it comes to art. It's not just for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 04:01 PM
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Yes. Malcom and Simone are the hosts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 09:53 AM
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Great points. A woman can be dominant and feminine. A woman can be disagreeable and feminine. But that viewpoint depends on culture. It seems (after listening to a podcast recently - based camp - and reflecting) cultures like the Spartans, Vikings, certain Southern US sub-cultures, and Appalachian cultures did not see disagreeableness in a woman as unfeminine. Nor did they see things that men outside of the cultures see as masculine as making a woman masculine (e.g. fighting, hunting, manual lab…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 08:29 PM
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I honestly don't mind either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 04:35 PM
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Out of those 2 choices, the submissive agreeable woman woman. But like another poster said, I think the most attractive woman (in general, in the west) would be a woman between those 2 extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 04:24 PM
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You're talking about abuse. She didn't warn him abusive behavior, she simply said a condition of a relationship with him was money. Do you consider a man a terrible person if they say to a woman I like to have sex while in relationships, and then after marriage the woman stops having sex with him and refuses to try to "get help" for her libido and so he leaves?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 03:58 PM
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She made it clear she married him for his money (which is wrong) Why do you think it's wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 03:56 PM
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If someone tells me they won't be monogamous, then being hostile towards someone when they aren't monogamous IMO is my fault because they were honest about the conditions of the relationship. She was honest about valuing the relationship based on money, he knew that going into the relationship, and so when the money wasn't there anymore she left. I praise her honesty. She was transparent and he agreed to the relationship. She didn't abuse him, she simply told him what her conditions for being in…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 03:56 PM
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Then how can you assert that it was selected for? That's akin to religious faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 08:49 PM
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How?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 08:38 PM
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Genes that make you want to work in feminist tech utopia 2024 may be different than genes that make you want to plow a field in 1304. If genetic determinism is true; how did the genes for 2nd wave feminism emerge? Are you claiming that a significant evolutionary genetic shift happened within decades?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 08:36 PM
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Your friend is an active and aware participant in the deception and betrayal of another woman, and potentially breaking up a family. Full disclosure; I don't say anything anymore to people who cheat or who sleep with people in relationships, but I don't pretend that they don't have a callous disregard for the dignity and mental health of their partner or the partner of the person they are having an affair. You seem to support the callous disregard of the man's partner's dignity and respect, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 06:58 PM
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OP didn't say that. Saying a group (on average) has it significantly worse than another group, is not the same as saying the other group (on average) has it great.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 06:43 PM
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the career women of the world substitute a husband for a boss to whom they are endlessly submissive to Do you submit to your boss? What do you think of the billions of men around the world that submit to their bosses? Or do you believe that men don't submit to their bosses, only women do?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 06:41 PM
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From the perspective of genetic determinsm; How do you explain the prevalence of women with genes that do want to work? By your reasoning they shouldn't exist, because women before them did not work enmasse. If you are going to argue it's due to environment influence, then women working is not genetically determined and so women who like to work won't be "selected out".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 06:38 PM
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I don't believe we can say what is true female nature by looking at the history of civilization, because history has been largely patriarchal and gave women very specific roles legally and through social pressure. Cultures that treated women different (e.g. the Viking, Spartans, Appalachians) tend to foster women who comfortably handle weapons, and did things that in other cultures would be seen as masculine but none of the men in those cultures consider it unfeminine. In the 1950s American subu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 04:05 PM
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Perhaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 07:47 AM
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They tend to report greater feelings of being used, ashamed, sad, anxious, etc afterwards. From what I've seen formally and informally.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 07:46 AM
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I think he's right, women tend to report feeling less fulfilled by casual sex than men. He's not saying no women are sociosexual, but far fewer women than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 11:42 PM
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A small town girl looking specifically selecting for a man that makes a lot of money. It sounds like she's aiming for a particular lifestyle, not just simply a family. Which I honestly think is fine, but you seem to be downplaying her attraction to your income when replying to me. It sounds like it's a value of hers, seeing as she brought it up in the very first conversation. Again, I believe that relationships are a value transaction - for a few decades at least. So I'm not saying it's wrong fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 11:34 PM
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Your looks are what got you the opportunity, not your money. This woman sounds very materialistic (if you are too, then you are a good match), but other women may have been interested in you and not your money after dating. You seem to be presenting the woman you spoke to as a good example of the benefits of making money, because good looking women who want men with money will want to date you, but like I said... I've seen way too many stories of men being screwed over and realizing the woman di…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 11:18 PM
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Then why would you tell men looks don't matter as much as you think, when you are telling us she picked you out of the could - like you said - seemingly because she was physically attracted to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 10:46 PM
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You're making a sweeping generalization from a single conversation with one woman. I do agree that socio-economic status matters for finding a long term partner, but it depends what you want from a partner. If you want "burning desire" from your partner, then leading with money likely is not the way to go. Looks, Status and Game are. I've heard way too many stories of guys being used for their money (I'm thinking of guys who go to developing countries and attract women through money, the amount …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 10:17 PM
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False. Check out the monkeys and prostitution study. That's not evidence of sexual attraction, that's resource acquisition.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 10:15 PM
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It wasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 09:27 AM
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People don't just magically become physically attracted to someone if all else remains the same. OP was talking about chemistry, you ask to go on a date with someone then you are already physically attracted to them, but chemistry is something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 09:53 PM
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There are many success stories of people who have become partners after they were previously work colleagues or friends. I've experienced it. I didn't have the intention of dating them when i worked with them, but attraction grew.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 09:51 PM
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I wasn't only talk about this thread, I'm also talking about you other response to me which had no substance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 02:40 PM
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I’m not really interested in tgis conversation. You've made it clear that you don't like answering questions or forming counter arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 02:37 PM
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I agree. So you do believe that generally powerful and successful men are like Diddy? How much money does someone need to make to meet your criteria for success?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 02:13 PM
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No. As seen with P Diddy, they treat women like objects to control. You believe that powerful and successful men, in general, are like P Diddy?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 01:40 PM
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. Its implying that men have no thoughts of their own, just pussy on the mind 24/7/365. I believe it implies that large numbers of people respond to incentives in regards to modulating their behavior. Extrinsic motivation. If men enmassed literally refused to date or sleep with fat women that don't go to the gym, then I believe gym memberships would go through the roof because large numbers women want to have relationships and sex with. It's the same with men, I think a lot of men go down the PU…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 01:36 PM
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I'm (pretty sure but to be diagnosed) likely autistic, and I noticed throughout my life that there were men who (in employment, dating and socializing) could get away with be obnoxious or toxic in a way that I basically couldn't once I left school. I came to the conclusion that many men got away with being toxic because they were charismatic, and even after pissing people off they were then at some time in the future able to replace those negative feelings towards them with positive ones, which …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 04:12 PM
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ts scientifically proven Science doesn't deal in proofs, math does. The scientific field is about finding probabilistic and provisional models, that explain and predict phenomena. It's not semantics, it's an important distinction. No conclusion is beyond revision. So this makes it apparent that they're not going to be attracted to their partners as time goes on. Most physically attracted to 20 something year olds, doesn't mean not physically attracted to older women. Also, attraction has more nu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 03:23 PM
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No Maroon Pill option.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 03:11 PM
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Do you think how that woman was treated was mean? Genuine question, how do you think he would have better handled it? I'm guessing that she didn't show how fat she was to him before the date, and so it was a shock.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 12:54 PM
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I don't personally hate them, I prefer them. (My first 2 girlfriends were sluts, great sex.) I haven't seen men in general IRL express a hatred for sluts, more like a disdain or disgust. I've seen (and my closest friend talks about experience the same thing) both religious and promiscuous men have expressed disdain or disgust for sluts. A lot of men have a double standard, and will happily be promiscuous and sleep with promiscuous woman, but will deem them unworthy of respect and love. (I've see…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 12:42 PM
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Your title is blatantly wrong because Men are far more comfortable blaming their weight for their lack of dating success and telling eachother to go workout I think he's referring to mainstream forums, not male dominated forums. Like in this sub, women normally say a man's lack of success must be due to their personality (not being nice), and they rarely mention physical attractiveness. So a lot of men are baffled (and turn to the red pill) when the "be nice" dating advice doesn't work out too w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 10:57 AM
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Being against a man for his height, genital size, simply being an average looking man is all fine and dandy. But being against a woman who is overweight is seen is a the dirt worst. I agree that's the general attitude on social media. I'd be baffled if anyone comes in this thread and disagrees with that statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 10:55 AM
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Thicc women have zero introspection in this regard. There's a difference between Thicc and fat. Christina Hendricks in Mad Men was Thicc. Doja Cat in the Say So music video was Thicc (she isn't anymore). The woman in that video OP linked does not appear to be Thicc, just fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 10:42 AM
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Even in this sub we can't talk about the significance of looks in relation to dating in depth. I believe that a lot of women engage in virtue signalling, lack self-awareness or aren't honest to themselves about the importance of looks to them. To be fair, women have been heavily conditioned to not be in touch with their genuine sexual desires, and likely internalized the belief that "Good girls" aren't aroused by good looking strangers and so they probably convince themselves it's something with…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 10:29 AM
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That's a nice thing to say. I also just wanted to say, that it was an eye opener for me when I saw how aggressive in their pursuits some women can be when they find a man highly physically attractive, and I came to the conclusion that most men are simply not physically attractive enough to trigger that level of desire in women, but do display more of the status and behavior triggers that arouse women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 10:57 AM
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I don't know what the fuck is going on with those women. I do know that generally speaking- women are finding him attractive but not getting aroused by simply seeing a picture of him. I deleted the rest of my post because I refreshed my understanding of responsive desire, and seeing a photo of those guys would still be responsive desire because it was the result of stimuli. A. generalities and averages B. You don't know what was going on inside their minds and bodies, only the behavior you obser…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 10:40 AM
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Ciswomen have what's called "responsive desire" meaning that we are not spontaneously/ visually aroused the way cismen are. Our arousal comes as a response to outside stimuli. From what I've heard it's more a percentage of sexuality rather than an absolute dichotomy. Meaning men and women have both responsive desire and spontaneous desire, but men are more likely to be inclined towards spontaneous desire than responsive desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 10:21 AM
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As you noticed, the order is this: Sexy+emotionally intelligent > sexy+bad boy > unattractive+emotionally intelligent > unattractive+bad boy It's a shame we can't openly talk about the black pill in this sub, because I think you are spot on. All the evidence I've seen (studies and anecdotally) points to physical attractiveness being the best return on investment for improving dating desirability. (Though some people go way too far in that regard and completely disregard the importance of social …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 09:07 AM
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, but earnest question: how exactly are women supposed to assess a man's moral character to your satisfaction? And how do we stop abusive men from, you know, lying during this assessment? An earnest answer; Researching into signs of Narcissism and sociopathy/anti-social personality disorder. I'm not saying that all abusers have personality disorders, but how they "test" potential victims seems to be similar. Something I've noticed is abusive people with a "nice" veneer will still transgress your…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 08:43 AM
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That was a big eye opener for me when i discovered it (not just in the context of dating), and since then it's been something I've used for introspection and evaluating others. What I've learned is that a lot people, depending on context, lack self-awareness or self-honesty and so there's a gap between stated vs revealed values.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 08:37 AM
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The first complaint about OF is people saying you have terabytes of porn already on the internet. IME that's people complaining or incredulous about the men paying for it, not that the women are immoral or unethical for not giving it away for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 07:50 AM
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Thanks for clarifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 03:20 PM
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, I’m fine with my husband doing the tests, but I want to hear nothing about them during pregnancy and after I have birth. To clarify, you're saying you don't want to hear about the results of the test?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 01:04 PM
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Personally, a good sex life is necessary for a good relaitionship. I did the opposite when I was religious, and I'll never do that again. Our sex life was so unfulfilling that I began to dread it, and we ended up sexless and living as roommates. I also realized then when I when i watch porn I basically have no drive to date. So, only speaking for myself, and not telling anyone else to agree with me... A good sex life is very important for a relationship, and sexual intimacy is the foundation of …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:43 PM
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That was exactly my point. Dating apps weren't what caused the decline in cold approaching. Removing the dating apps doesn't result in cold approaching to return. Your point about dating apps causing the issue is wrong. I didn't just speak about dating apps, I also spoke about people sliding into DMs on social media, which is not the same thing as dating apps. TikTok and IG are still thriving and people date through IG and Tiktok. There's also been a drop in IG usage with other platforms becomin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:16 PM
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People leaving dating apps doesn't mean people are cold approaching more. Warm approaching or meeting people through social circles was the norm of dating in the 20th century, and that's what seems to be reemerging. I've seen people talking about joining clubs to socialize and meet partners. I also mentioned IG and sliding into DMs, which is not dating apps. If Gen-Z is opting out of all of this more than other generations, where are they finding people to date? It’s not too shocking that the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:06 PM
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The cold approach stuff started in the mid 2000s. That doesn't mean it ended in the mid 2000s, it continued into the mid 2010s alongside Tinder and Bumble. I was following the community at the time, and by 2015 I believe it was in decline (it took a few years for dating via Tinder, IG and Bumble to really take over the dating landscape. Guy were turning to the gym to make themselves look more appealing than women, rather than paying money to PUA guys. Also around that time, many PUA guys were be…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 02:43 PM
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Yeah, I don't think it's a coincidence that the PUA scene started dying after Tinder and IG was available on both IOS and Android. But I also think it's to do with guys seeing it as an easier an convenient option than cold approach. You can message 30 women in far less time than it takes to dress up, travel, spend money and try to approach 30 women on a night out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 02:26 PM
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Nope, it was women. In the mid 2000s, cold approaching was emphasized especially in the PUA community as a response to the unfavorable male-to-female ratio in online dating Tinder/Bumble/IG didn't exist in the mid 2000s, because Tinder came out in 2012 and Instagram in 2010. Smartphones were the gamechanger that changed the world and got more people online than PC or laptops. My point is online dating was no where as big of a deal until Tinder came along. Like another user pointed out, the PUA c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 02:22 PM
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Depends on if the guy is OK with it or not. I'm not going to tell her husband how he "should" feel about the joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 09:11 PM
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When people are against OF, it isn't simply because they have to pay, they are usually preaching morally against OF and the wave of women doing OF. I've never seen the criticism of OF be simply about because they are putting porn behind a paywall and not giving it away for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:20 PM
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We've seen over decades that there have been a number of scandals where anti gay conservatives are found to have a bisexual/gay second life. People can virtue signal publicly while in private do the opposite. I suspect that many people who speak out against porn consume it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:17 PM
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Of course, they'd probably be watching the funny TikTok video their 20 year old girlfriend is showing them as they lay in bed. I'll even argue that it's much, much easier for a woman to go from being a plain jane up until middle to becoming hot post middle age, far more easier than it is for a regular Joe guy to from being invisible to being called hot. (I'm not saying it's easy or won't cost money). ( An example; Dr Elana Zinkov went from an average woman to being so good looking it's distracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 03:20 PM
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LOL! I have known a regular guy who was 38 after we had just finished playing pool in a bar had a pretty college girl dance with him (no older than 20), and then she him if he wanted to go back to her place. He is an extremely handsome man who took care of his looks and had good genetics, he looked about 30. The thing is, he's always gotten that attention. IME if a man can be on that level when they are past middle age, they were probably on that level before middle age. Leo and Brad didn't beco…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 02:57 PM
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I think OP's post, and posts like this, are designed to try to lower the self worth of people they don't find desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 02:44 PM
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^^^ Too many in the red pill don't think it goes both ways, and cite celebrity examples like Brad Pitt and Leonardo Dicaprio.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 02:42 PM
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Who gives a fuck about boomers lmao. That is irrelevant to modern dating. A quote from your first post in this thread... Meanwhile my male boomer friends were dating asian/black women at a time when race mixing was still looked down upon. So you care about boomers, because you brought them up as supporting evidence for your claim. It's relevant because you are claiming that only women are susceptible to changing who they find a attractive based on social trends. Now you only want to look at mode…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:47 PM
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You are actual misinterpreting data. White men are far more likely to be open to interracial dating than white women. We are talking about boomers. Are you talking about in the 1960s? Are you disputing that most biracial kids of Boomer were the result of black male and white male coupling? White being more likely in 2024 is evidence supporting my assertion that men also date based on trends.# Also this... According to the Pew Research Center report on multiracial Americans, the most common inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 06:58 PM
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However you ask anyone who watches porn if they know how people men specially hired because of their size, and hardly anyone of them will turn around and say no. Men are totally aware how actors are hired. So why do we blame porn? Being aware of something doesn't mean you are immune to be influence by it, awareness alone doesn't eradicate vulnerability. If that was the case, all we would need to never be negatively affected by anyone's words or behavior is to be aware of why we are, or the other…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 11:21 AM
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I can use the exact same argument to try to invalidate what you said about women. However, regarding choices... Boomer white women dated black men, more than boomer white men dated black women. If you see most half black and half white Gen X and Millennials, the majority of their parents will be a white woman black man coupling. Even today its seems to be far more common for white women to be more open to dating black men than it is for white men to be open to dating black women. Please ask your…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:05 AM
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Are you claiming that men don't base attraction on trends? I literally watched a white western's men's preferences change in my lifetime. White western men used to (pre 2010s) say that a woman had a fat ass as an insult, and white women used to take it as an insult. White women used ask their white western partners if the butt looked big in clothes, and would change it if it did because that was seen a bad thing in white western culture, but now white western women choose clothes to make their a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 08:39 PM
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What research is backing up the conclusion that the average man can't get a date until their 30s?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 06:08 AM
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You don't tell other people what their standards and boundaries are, they decide. They decide what is cheating to and what isn't to them, and you either agree to the standards or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 07:23 PM
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If the bar for this fabled visceral attraction is something that millions of men have already met and has launched millions of relationships (short term, ONS, long term, and otherwise) then I’m sorry to say that those who find themselves constantly lacking it need to look inward as to why.] You are literally repeating the advice of the Red Pill. And yes, it seems you've taken hyperbole seriously. The Red Pill tends to attract people struggling with dating, men successful in dating don't tend to …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 07:10 PM
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Infact if you look at the wording of marriage and how that ceremony plays out it's obvious it evolved from this. Gather the whole tribe together and formally declare you will be having sex with this one. If anyone else disagrees say something now or don't cause trouble later. The father literally walks his daughter to the man. These aren't accidents.. Are you aware of the concept of Ad Hoc? It seems your arguments are based on having a conclusion, and then working backwards to come up with a pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 07:09 PM
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The new normal for men is being unable to get a date until your early thirties. What part of the world do you live for that to be normal?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 07:06 PM
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I’m confused by the responses to this because I’m a woman and that’s exactly how I feel about my partner. I thought that’s what we’re all trying to find? The first time I saw his face I wanted him, and I only saw it in a picture. I want to rip off his clothes sometimes when all he’s doing is talking to me about something mundane lol. I tried explain that to OP, but he ignored my post like he ignored yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 07:03 PM
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I'm saying it is entirely possible that women evolved to reproduce with men they don't necessarily find sexually attractive. It sounds more like you are saying men have evolved to have a callous disregard for female pleasure and/or to rape women to reproduce. Marriage is a consciously created institution.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 09:20 AM
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I've seen it. Have you been to bars and nightclubs in cities with highly attractive men? If you find it had to believe, then I advise finding a really attractive guy and going out for night out with them, and watch how many women throw themselves at them. (Provided you aren't living in a highly conservative area). I've seen a pretty young women literally follow my friends around a nightclub, a girl do the splits in the middle of the dancefloor to get my friends attention, a pretty college studen…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 09:14 AM
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This is being starstruck, not attracted. No, it's attraction. Maybe you haven't seen the responses some celebrities get but women are strongly attracted to them. (A recently viral clip was of Chris Brown with Adin Ross doing facetime with randoms on an app. The girl immediately said she would suck and fuck Chris whenever he wanted after she was shocked he showed up. The is also a viral clip of minor celebrity called Cheryl Cole responding with open visceral attraction - behind his back - to Mich…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 09:06 AM
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I think OP was engaging in hyperbole when he described wanting to rip someone's clothes off (have you never heard someone say that about someone? If so, do you honestly think they were saying they wanted to rape that person?). If that was OP's intention then it's a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 09:01 AM
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Don't be a mass murderer and rapist, totally a ok. I never said he was a OK. The choice isn't binary between declaring someone pure evil and saying they are a OK. Do you assess people that simply? I reserve the term pure evil for people like Ted Bundy and Peter Scully, not womanizers like Caleb.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 08:57 AM
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I understand. Men tend to have that response a lot, a strong visceral reaction to good looking woman is extremely common from men. If a woman wants to get that attention from men it's extremely easy, and many women get it everyday by posting pics and vids online. Have you ever been in largely male environments or with groups of hetero men? Men respond with visceral attraction to women all the time. For women, much less common, but I think that's because few men have the kind of looks and demeano…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 05:53 AM
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I agree that “whining until you get sex” is troublesome though not illegal. Persistently asking after someone said no is pressuring a person into having sex, and is illegal (depending on the context, to my knowledge) in a number of places, it's called Sexual assault or Rape by acquiescence/coercion. I’m not sure if personally I would even call asking in a non-threatening way to be “coercion,” but I could be convinced. There's also the threat of verbal/emotional abuse and men are inherently a thr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 05:45 AM
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No it’s not. Because neither of these two options are even remotely realistic - there isn’t a single man out there who is pure good/asexual, or pure evil/sexual. Op's description of a man isn't pure evil (he isn't raping and killing people enmasse) but men like him exist... Diddy, Andrew Tate, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 05:34 AM
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Because apparently existence is unethical. What do you rmean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 05:31 AM
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Not necessarily anything to strive for because most people don’t want to be walking around in a constant state of uncontrollable lust like a real-life version of Quagmire from “Family Guy.” He's talking about the kind of men that get the visceral attraction from women, not towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 05:27 AM
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You cleary defined it in the 1st sentence, people choosing to ignore it are IMO engaging in bad faith debate tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 09:56 AM
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I definitely think expectation is part of the reason, however I also think it's also partly because status and identity are core motivators for human behavior. Historically (and I think there are psychology experiments concluding this too) people deemed to be low status or not part of our shared identity, usually treated with less empathic concern and respect. I think that if the drama It Ends With US had black middle class people as the lead couple it would likely be less well received, because…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 06:51 PM
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I'll simplify it for you; OP set the context - the adult demographic, so that's why it's not applicable. I'm honestly not sure why you don't understand that once someone makes an argument and sets a very specific context for their argument, that it's only refutable within that context. It doesn't invalidate/refute anything to take it out of context. That would be like replying to someone saying it's OK to cuddle your children, and you reply "if cuddling your child is OK, then it's OK to cuddle a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 04:46 PM
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OP has defined the context, he's already implicitly answered that; we are talking about how adults are valued. Just like we (As in most people) don't expect 3 year old to hold down full time jobs, nor do we hold them morally accountable for their actions, because they aren't adults. OP quiet clearly was only speaking about how adults are valued in society. You were the one who dropped the context to include children, when OP implicitly acknowledge (by restricting the context to just adults) that…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 04:11 PM
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LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 03:48 PM
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Because they've specified the context, and so their reasoning is only applicable to that context. What you are doing would be applying dating advice to kids in middle school, because "dating is dating" so why limit dating advice to just adults? However, context matters when discussing human affairs, because context changes variables.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 03:47 PM
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This is pretty extreme, and it usually just has to do with circumstances and media. Who watches television the most? A lot of housewives and people with disposable income. It happens with people who got social media online too. Though, IME, it's heavily dependent on the sub culture, and what has happened to the person. But generally I think he's right, terrible things happening to white middle class people makes headlines (in the west), but the kind of terrible things that happen in low income a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 09:38 AM
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OP clearly wrote "men" and "women" so they were only referring to adults. If we drop context for every question then it's easy to refute what anyone says (which is a common debate trick people do online).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 09:28 AM
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Why is “sympathy from complete strangers after you are raped or murdered” the way you measure value?? I couldn’t care less who reads a newspaper article about my death and says, “oh that’s terrible.” Who gives a shit? Do you disagree that the general population's view on demographics (like studies conclude) can affect things like; employment opportunities, how the police interact with you, court sentencing, the quality of care you receive from doctor's, etc? If you do agree a general population …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 09:23 AM
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It's not just appearance she also says this; interacting with their environment and with other people For example; men who maintain good eye contact with women are deemed as more attractive than men who avoid eye contact. Men who speak comfortably with various people in the room are seen as more attractive, etc. I don't know if you are aware of women talking about "icks" that's the reverse of what OP is talking about. Men doing something which renders them unattractive, which has nothing to do w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 10:28 PM
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The reverse happens really often, it's called an "ick" an it can render you unattractive, and it's unrelated to looks, it's about behavior. Have you never observed or experience that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 09:59 PM
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Have you heard of hybristophilia? Charles Manson wasn't incredibly attractive but he still had women romantically attracted to him. He married an attractive 25 year old when he 79 in prison (he did not look young for his age). I think you're oversimplifying why those women were attracted to them, and I don't think it's simply due to their looks (though I'm not saying that isn't a part of it). Are aware of the Ghost Mask phenomenon that was on Tiktok, a guy who never showed his face started a kin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 09:52 PM
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I think it's better classified as behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 09:46 PM
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I agree. The statement I said was; it's not unusual for alcoholics to be abusive. Do you disagree with that statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 02:38 PM
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He's a self-admitted alcoholic, and it's not unusual for alcoholics to be abusive. Do you disagree with that ?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 01:43 PM
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Chris has been a literal model.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:30 AM
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They guy has been a literal model.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:29 AM
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To be fair I don’t know that’s reason but I’m sure after seeing his peers like Brad Pitt and countless others get destroyed it may have influenced his decision. Brad Pitt is a self admitted alcoholic, allegedly an abusive alcoholic (based on a court filing), his own child disregarded his name as soon as she turned 18, and by some media accounts is generally just an absent father. I've noticed that in divorce Red Pillers tend to automatically assume the woman did something wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:28 AM
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The dude literally called himself BluePill in his episode with Destiny. Did he explain why he said that? Sound like horseshit based on the views he says on his podcast, which are often in line with Red Pill philosophy. If I had to guess, he's been told by his PR company to tell people he's not red pill because red pill creators have very bad PR.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:22 AM
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Abuse is inherent in porn. The industry is built upon the sexual abuse of women. Why do you disregard the countless women who say that they haven't been abused and have been in the industry for years, and the women who produce their own porn (e.g. Onlyfans)? Ignores the physical power imbalance between males and females, also assumes she wasn’t coerced into filming that. So if the women tell you they weren't coerced, and even say they produce their own porn and decide who they want to work with …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 11:00 PM
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Based.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:40 PM
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You think that women who are submissive in the bedroom are not respected by any of their (nonspecific gender) partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 03:03 PM
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I went to a school where us guys smacking girls asses or groping them was normal. It wasn't until I grew older that I realized it we had a culture of sexual assault. I've discussed this with a friend, a lot of us men have the view that rape or sexual assault only involve women (or men) screaming, crying, yelling in protest as a man holds her down or hits her. A lot of us men tend to think that violence has to be involved. A lot of us men don't recognize that someone acquiescing to your repeated …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 02:37 PM
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Sure. But it’s not inherent, Neither is abuse inherent in porn. Unless you claiming that noone is consenting in porn? The porn industry being exploitative is a feature, not coincidental. There is no ethical porn. Simply doesn’t exist. 2 partners in a loving relationship making porn together. Ethics is about interpersonal behavior, so what ethics are they violating by consenting and making porn together? I’m a big fan of horror movies and metal music. I’m fully aware of how many of those men were…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 10:33 AM
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I'd tell him; Attraction usually isn't primarily based on virtue, unless a woman (or man) is highly (and genuinely) religious, spiritual or into ethical philosophy. Assertiveness and low social inhibition are, in and of themselves, highly attractive to women. If kind men do not have assertiveness or are high in social inhibition, then they are usually unattractive to women (unless they have status). Assholes have assertiveness and low social inhibition. I'd advise that young man to look for exam…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 11:02 PM
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It can be because they have taken their intimate moments and turned them into a job. You didn't say can, you were very clear and said "absolutely a toxic work environment". . Intimacy is meant to be shared between two partners consensually I don't agree with you that there is a rule on how consenting people need to conduct themselves. Some people are exhibitionists and enjoy people watching them, and then would post their porn for free. (Which used to happen on the internet, and still does.) Som…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 10:06 PM
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Making intimacy a job could lead to issues but having a porn partner does cut down on the transmission of STDs. OK, can you answer the question please, do you think that people in loving and committed relationship is and "absolutely toxic work environment" like you stated. Will you stand by that statement? If so, who is creating the toxic work environment? People have still been exploited in those situations. People have been exploited on TV and movies sets, and in recording studios too. (e.g. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:40 PM
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Every part of the entertainment industry, from the mainstream to adult, has been shown that there are people who are coerced or outright forced (even during filming) to be sexually abused. The Metoo movement was about rampant predators in the entertainment industry. However, I bet money that you happy watch TV and movies? If so, why the exceptionalism for the adult entertainment industry? If you consume any TV of movies shows, I hope you know that abuse is rife in the industry. You can't be guar…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:33 PM
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The distinction was what you edited out... "Just like most people aren't paying to watch porn of women (nonconsenually) in pain/distress." Your dishonesty straight away leads me to think you and I are going to have a debate of any substance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 06:47 PM
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Both. The porn industry absolutely creates a work environment that is toxic. There's porn created by husband and wives (or wives and wives, and husband and husbands) in their homes alone. Would you say that is absolutely a toxic work environment? There are porn sets where it's treated with the same professionalism and standards as mainstream film and movie sets e.g. Holly Randall. I don’t believe in glorifying sex work in the way that the music industry does or how feminists have been doing it. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 10:51 AM
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And now suddenly everyone wants to be a sex worker despite that “profession” having high rates of drug abuse and suicide for women.. Do you believe the industry causes drug abuse and mental health problems that lead to suicide, or do you think that people with those issues go into the industry? It's like when people talk about transgenderism and transitioning leading to suicide, when the research indicates that; £verbal victimization, physical and sexual violence, and the absence of social suppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 09:55 AM
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Everything you see in porn is advertised as "consensual". That's exactly the point. Your counter to him bringing up the abuse that Judy Garland suffered was to say that people weren't paying to see her be abused. Just like most people in porn are not paying to see women (genuinely) abused. So you point is moot. But it's silly to claim that porn doesn't have a long, documented history of abuse. I never made that claim, and nor did OP. You should respond to this fact by being selective and respons…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 09:47 AM
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I agree with you OP that it's exceptionalism. The rampant abuse in Movie, TV and music industry, towards adults and kids, is well known (Weinstein, R Kelly, P Diddy, a number of iconic rock stars who openly bragged about their "relationships" with minors, Elvis Presley, Charlie Chaplin, Roman Polanski, Dan Schnieder, etc), but people aren't against those industries as a whole. Porn? Why not campaign for the "clean up" of the porn industry, expose bad actors (like Rocco and Pierre Woodman) and he…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 09:05 AM
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People weren't paying money to watch Judy Garland be tormented and starved. Just like most people aren't paying to watch porn of women (nonconsenually) in pain/distress.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 09:01 AM
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They are harmed by it How can a child be harmed, when no children are involved? As another person already pointed out, there would be a dataset needed of victims. No, it doesn't need to. AI works by inference, and so it can do that without using CSAM for training. For example, it can be trained on "anime" images, which are not real children. Besides that, it harms children to be sexualized. Please read this... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_child_pornography_and_child_sexual_…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:18 AM
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The AI can make inferences, just like it does with everything else. There's "anime" using underage characters, that can be used to train AI. From there AI can make it look photorealistic, through inference.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:11 AM
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You mean CSAM. AI generated (that hasn't been trained on actual CSAM) yes. As long as no real children have been harmed I'm OK with it. Real CSAM, no. Why do you ask? Do you think each and every woman making porn (including OF) haven't consented like kids can't consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:36 PM
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Great comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:00 AM
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Hot husbanding - yeah, but not cuckqueaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:58 AM
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However, I don't think erotica has anywhere near the same impacts on the social issues I brought up (specifically the misogyny that porn normalizes and perpetuates, which then gets generalized to all women by compulsive porn consumers) If representation of women, minorities and LGBT peoples is the primary problem regarding the social issues then why not campaign for better representation and framing like the film industry has? All those demographics were not generally well represented and framed…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:53 AM
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OP have you looked into the research regarding the rate of sexual violence and porn consumption? From what I've seen, there is a nothing indicating that porn makes someone more likely to sex offend. And that there's research that it may lead to a decrease in sexual crimes. In every country studied, sex crimes have fallen inversely with the legalization of pornography. Yes, you read that right. Porn up, sex crimes down. This research, spanning over twenty years, covers three continents and dozens…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:48 AM
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No, in the sense that people like Rocco and Pierre Woodman exist. People who have been accused by multiple women, and have video evidence, of them coercing women into sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:34 AM
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But whether I watch it or not, it still exists By watching it you are directly (advrevnue) and indirectly (viewcount promoting those performers in the algorithm contributing to more of it being made, by incentivizing it through ad money and/or views. Consumption of a digital product encourages more of the creation of that digital product. I'm sure you'll agree? If you were consistent with your moral objections to IRL sex work, you would quit watching porn too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:33 AM
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Do you see why I call you lazy? Here is a post I made to another poster, what part do you disagree with? https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1fbaeq0/comment/llz6fga/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:27 PM
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Romance isn't just about doing nice things it's about signalling masculinity. I agree, but you've just agreed with me that being nice is a necessary component of Romantic behavior. We leave just as much information for men who want to learn to pick up on. Yes, and the clues are that social skills trump being nice, because very unromantic men regularly sleep with and pursued by women. Nice or not nice, a man needs good social skills to maximize he chances with dating. Autism makes that harder, be…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 09:41 PM
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Surely it's obvious that romance is about romance, not being a nice person. Romance (as a concept, unless you just meant attracting a partner) is inherently about doing nice things for your partner (e.g., gifts, kind words, thoughtful gestures, etc). There are men that are unromantic (e.g. picking girls up on apps with jokes and crude remarks, and then asking them to come over at 2am... That would not be classified as being romantic, yet there are many men who a very successful doing that.) Roma…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 09:12 PM
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Would you afford this same tolerance to men who are repulsed by their partner having slept with a black person? I didn't say anything about being repulsed. Repulsion is a very strong word. I said turned off. So I'll rephrase the question; Would I afford this same tolerance to men who are turned off by their partner having slept with a black person? I don't see race and sex acts as equivalent, so no. Would I afford this same tolerance to men who are turned off by their partner having slept with 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 07:38 PM
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But the idea that non-White men are automatically struggling is BS and something many chronically online White dudes and self-loathing minorities love to push on Reddit. Ah, interesting. Basically it seems you and I encounter the opposite on social media (algorithm difference probably). I usually randomly come across white guys bitterly complaining about white women dating black men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 07:28 PM
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By no means is the average Black man an ultra slayer but normal Black men get dates and sex all the time with regular women. Nothing in my post disagreed with that. I'm disagree with a narrative that I see spread (IMO for negative or kink related reasons) that black men are "taking white women". In the US Asian-white and Latino-white (which includes white and non-white Latinos) are the most common interracial pairings, yet whenever I see westerners brings up interracial dating it's about black m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 09:48 AM
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White men are pushed as the most desirable hands down. I'm black. Multiple dating app studies (I'm not simply talking about OKcupid's data) conclude that white men get the highest response rate from women in general. Also, the reports from passport bros is that internationally white men are the most desired race, and have it easier than other races. (The black passport bros that don't use hookers agree.) Something I learned is that an average looking white dude does get "chad" treatment in a num…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 09:41 AM
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I also mentioned af/wm in multiple comments Not in your initial comment, which is what I'm questioning. It's very common when I've seen white nationalists bring up issues with interracial dating they always lead with white women with black men, but barely talk about white men with Asian women or (non-white) Latinos with Whites. Black men are on top of their mind. What is your point in the end? I already told you...I'll repost... (I'm not saying you are one, but you brought up black men and white…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 08:37 PM
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So for example for any white man who for example wants his daughter to be with someone of the same culture, you attempt to insult and shame him with saying he’s just mad about all the bm/wf porn that exists. No. And I have no idea why you brought that up either. We are in a thread about bigotry and dating. The most controversial form of bigotry is racism. Interracial dating is the most relevant thing to discuss Yeah, but you brought up black men and white women, rather than the most statisticall…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 08:31 PM
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I said "as frequent as you seem to think it is". Again, what are you basing your belief on, seeing as you seem to dismiss studies which look at dating apps. Do you think it's nationwide? As often as it is in place you live as anywhere in your nation? Have you heard of "Just be white" theory? White guys are still at the top internationally, this is acknowledged by the majority of passport bros. (I'm not saying you are one, but you brought up black men and white women out of nowhere, and I usually…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 08:24 PM
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What are you basing your belief on? I'm basing mine on studies and personal experience as black man who has seen the difference between a small city and major city in the west. Again, my point is that it's location dependent and not as frequent as you seem to think it is. The next time you walk past people in the street, please keep a mental note of how many couples are non-ww/bm vs ww/bm.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 08:12 PM
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Let's say you are right; do you think there is anything wrong with that? Validation seeking and Status-seeking/Status-anxiety IMO is a part of human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 08:10 PM
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The reason you listed is bigoted though. What is your definition of bigoted? Simply being turned off by something your partner has done sexually in the past doesn't fit the definition of bigotry as I understand it... Defintion; the fact of having and expressing strong, unreasonable beliefs and disliking other people who have different beliefs or a different way of life: There are people who won't date ex-prostitutes (even ones who have left the life and have no STIs), in your opinion does that m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 07:47 PM
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And lots of non black girls fuck black men despite having Zero black friends or other connections. I've heard this stuff before, and I think guys like you are massively overestimating how frequently it happens, and are overlooking that it's largely location dependent. Multiple dating apps stats studies have concluded that white men get the highest response rate, literally every single study concludes that. South Asian men and Black men swap places for the lowest response rates. I'm black and I l…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 06:40 PM
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There's really no valid reason for a woman to refuse to date a bisexual man I do recognize that many people's preferences are likely based in bigotry, however I also believe that not every preference for someone not dating a demographic has a bigoted motivation. A woman can literally find it a turn off at the idea of their male partner having done anything sexual with another man. Sexual attraction (as I'm sure you'll agree) is important to a lot of people. (On a side note; I believe a lot of re…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 06:31 PM
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Bingo. I too agree for both sexes. (In the West) it used to be an intentional insult from white guys to say that a woman has a fat ass, now it's an intentional compliment. White guys did not care about ass in the 90s, but now I basically always hear white guy talking about ass and insulting women for having a flat ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 08:09 PM
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Yeah, and I'm criticizing why you believe it's a false comparison... Do you think that people object to racism because they believe it doesn't have scientific validity, rather than believing it's wrong to negatively generalize race demographic?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 08:06 PM
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There's nothing wrong with a man finding his partner sexy, but it gets old really fast when you can't change your clothes without your partner initiating sex. The male gaze is to do with media representation of women, not men having a higher sex drive than their partner and finding their partner's bodies sexually arousing. Why are you pathologizing that as something taught to them by the patriarchy rather than just a biological drive, or perhaps sexual incompatibility (if you really detest it th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 04:55 PM
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Think about it: if every man knew that women were more attracted to the excitement and thrill of bad boys, or the ruthless self-interest of Dark Triad personalities, why would they bother being nice? There's a good recent video from a youtuber called The Authentic Observer, and she has spoken about this issue a lot. The Authentic Observer says that when men are pushovers or simps, (generally speaking) women don't feel safe with them or doesn't trust them, because if they can't say no or stand fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 04:39 PM
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I'm a believer that a lot of what people find attractive, in terms of personality and looks, is more malleable than people in this subreddit seem to believe. I'm 40 and have witnessed dramatic changes in terms of what is deemed to be ideals regarding physical attractiveness from the 90s to 2024. So I don't buy it when Red Pillers say "what men like is purely genetic", because I've literally lived through dramatic changes. Also, what personality traits are desirable based on social environment. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 04:10 PM
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You already pointed out it out, and made it clear that you are uninterested in nuance; I don’t care that there are probably some of them who aren’t like that. I just want to make it clear, I'm not trying to change your mind. I just don't want anyone who may be reading to get the impression that I support your statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 03:56 PM
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I can understand why people feel a variety of ways about society (e.g. white nationalism, despite being black) but that doesn't mean I condone it, it just means I'm able to simulate seeing the world from their perspective. Just to make it clear; I don't support what you said, because it lacks nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 03:45 PM
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Science doesn't deal in proofs, it deals in probability,, so you can't be talking about any scientific evidence. Also, I'm unaware of any scientific consensus that has concluded what you've just said. So, that being said, what is your proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 03:43 PM
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From what I've heard of Eastern European cultural trends, everything you've said about the lack of protest about your statements doesn't surprise me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 10:54 AM
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Do you think that people object to racism because they believe it doesn't have scientific validity, rather than believing it's wrong to negatively generalize race demographic? I'm not asking what you believe, nor what you think people "should" believe, I'm asking what do you think people are basing their anti-racism on?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 08:47 AM
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FTFY. Hostility towards women is only really tolerated in the manosphere. I would say on the internet in general, not just specific content creators or male only spaces. I've seen misogynistic content heavily promoted and praised everywhere. Of course there's pushback, but Misandrist content also gets pushback (if you check the comment section under any video about women complaining about men, or the huge backlash against the man or bear meme.)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 08:40 AM
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And no one ever said anything about it to me and I voiced this opinion many times. Usually people were just nodding and agreeing with me. But I don’t live in the US so maybe that’s the reason. I actually meant to put (IMO in the west) when I put that. I see you speak Polish. Do you say these things openly in Poland?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 08:31 AM
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I personally accept that both things are true. What's strange though is it's pretty much accepted to either openly hate men or women based on bad personal experience, but if you were to say you hate members of a particular race due to bad experiences most people would flip on you (though that depends on the race of the person saying that). Anytime you read someone bitterly talking about the inherent terrible nature of men or women. That "men are trash" or "women are incapable of loving anyone bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 07:24 PM
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And secondly, no need for this crackpipe speculation, you can just go look at any place with a legal sex trade. What does the evidence say about the places that have legalized it, in regards to the points OP made? (Just in case you reply only about prostitution, I'm curious about all forms of sex work, like OP was talking about.)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 07:12 PM
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I don't know what part of my reply that was directed towards. The people who I mentioned who changed, genuinely changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:43 PM
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Good comeback.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:21 PM
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FWIW on reality dating shows (I'm aware that it's best to take those shows with a pinch of salt), I've genuinely witnessed very attractive men who were quiet but nice get rejected after short term dating. (One guy on the last UK Love Island was baffling. He honestly looked like a male model, but (even I noticed) he was nice, but quiet, and there nothing entertaining about his social skills compared literally ever single other guy. Any woman he dated almost immediately wanted to be friends.) It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:21 PM
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I think that neurotypicals can change their personality with sustained effort, after a couple of years. I've witnessed it happen with 2 friends, it really was night and day. (They key was they changed their social environment and immersed themselves in it.) If you're autistic (as I strongly suspect I am) then it's much more difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:00 PM
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Romantic success is not about being a good person or any other such nonsense. It's about being physically attractive, and socially adept. Nothing else. That is the exact same conclusion I've come to, and IME and IMO it applies outside of dating. I came to the conclusion that charisma is more important than virtue, when it comes to people liking or respecting people. I wish your post could be a sticky in this sub. I think it would help a lot of confused young men make sense of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:56 PM
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Have you never been poor at articulating yourself and had your intentions misconstrued due to your poor choice of words? Have you never said you wanted something, but realized (when you got it or have the opportunity to get it) that you didn't want it? If you've never done those things, you honestly are the only perfect human being that I've ever met. Most people make mistakes and are learning about themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:22 PM
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This is lying. IME it's very, very common in debates to be uncharitable and assume that everyone has a high degree of self knowledge and can articulate themselves perfectly on any subject, so if they say something incoherent on incongruent. Some women may be lying, some may just lack self-awareness, and some may just be poor at articulating themselves. There's no need to only conclude that their false information must be the result of a negative intent, when it could be due to not having an accu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:04 PM
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That sounded like a villain's monologue from a superhero movie. I can imagine a group of heros having to band together to stop a mastermind hell bent on global genocide.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:45 PM
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That meme is hilarious. I need to save it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:43 PM
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Those who can't compromise with the opposite sex shouldn't have the chance to contribute their faulty genes to the future of humanity. I'm curious if you're a genetic determinist? (Not in absolute terms, but do you believe that the high majority of our behaviour is inherited and determined by our genes? Essentially believing that social interventions or personal interventions to try to alter behavior are in high probability useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:40 PM
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I think that's true for some, and I think for others they just like variety but they know that most men or women would not be OK with their partners sleeping with other people to satiate their desire for variety. When I said "sexual" i my post I didn't just mean high sex drive, I meant the kink or sexual variety/adventure is a part of their identity or is a large part of what makes life enjoyable for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:00 PM
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I can believe that. I've had 2 attractive women in long term relationships, at a workplace, hit on me. Though, IME, women who frequently go to festivals, nightclubs or bars are probably more sexual than the average person. I'm not saying homebodies can't be sexual, I'm just saying that I think that sub-culture attracts women who are probably far more sexual. More sexual people are probably more likely to be kinky, including liking the thrill of cheating (I cheated as a 19 year old, and I can't f…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:47 PM
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I read The Game By Neil Strauss a long time ago, and he said that he found that women who are at approx 3 years married were the easiest to pick up. I have no idea if he wrote that for shock value, or it was a genuine pattern that he and his friends discovered. I've also heard stories of bachelorette limo rides and parties being disillusioning. Again, no idea if it's just a handful of experiences or a pattern. I have a strong suspicion that a high majority of the population's relationship ideal …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:21 PM
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But what's the appeal of anal sex in straight sex? A key reason is probably the same reason why men like getting blowjobs, it's a different sensation and experience to vaginal sex. Also, there is the kink of the act. The dominance, the pain or discomfort of the recipient, the mixture of pleasure and pain of the recipient, etc. Before you say "that's sick" there are many women who like that about the act too. There are many kinky people in the world, who like to explore sadism and masochism, domi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:15 PM
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When it comes to dating, and (especially in this sub) IME people tend not to talk with nuance. People tend to only like to speak in gross generalizations, and sometimes only seem to believe gross generalizations. IME that's an issue I've seen with both Red and Blue pillers. Blue Pill - if you're struggling in dating it's always your fault, and so you must have a shitty personality. It has nothing to do with your looks, height, social environment, race, age, neurodivergence, status, money, etc. R…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 09:30 PM
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That is stupid. If I dated a Indian girl who abused me, does that mean everyone needs to be protected from dating Indian girls because they are all abusive? As I'm sure you know, there are many racist people in the world who do think like that. It's a good counter argument though, and I wonder if they'll reply to you. The rational thing to do is assess things on a case by case basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 09:22 PM
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Behind their back? I hope none of you guys call those men friends, because if so I think that's a shitty thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 09:21 PM
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I was reading the study you presented, and it looks like you didn't read your own study. In fact, it doesn't make any conclusion, and says the things I've said are credible. Here is the relevant section, and then I'll spell it out to you... The present data do not address by which proximate mechanisms men's attractiveness, dominance, and masculinity may affect the timing and frequency of their partners’ orgasms. Several possibilities exist, including greater psychological excitement resulting fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 12:41 PM
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I don't think you are reading my posts. 2 parts from my previous post supports my conclusion, I repeat them for you and explain... "They also found that women who initiate contacts connect with more desirable partners than those who wait to be contacted, but women are 4 times less likely to send messages than men." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4043335/ Meaning, if men and women go on that dating site, (on average) women have 4 times more messages purusing them than men do. So if …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 07:22 PM
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How do you know that? Your only data point is….app membership? These are study abstracts. I don't have access to the full papers (nor would I be able to critically assess the methodology or statistics in the actual paper, maybe you could, so I'm open to you criticizing the paper's themselves..) "They also found that women who initiate contacts connect with more desirable partners than those who wait to be contacted, but women are 4 times less likely to send messages than men." https://www.ncbi.n…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 06:46 PM
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The ratio of men to women on apps doesn’t reflect the genpop, where the ratio is 1:1. Apps are a common way people meet for hook ups. Less women than men appear to be interested in hook ups, based on app data. So something that you do everyday with your own friends and family, such as opening your mouth to say hello and have a conversation all of a sudden turns into huge, Herculean effort when it is applied to a club environment? Sure! I never said anything like that. Was that an attempt to inva…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 04:05 PM
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Does clubbing mean you’re sleeping around? My clubbing days are well in the past as an older millenial, but I was like you in my clubbing days. In my day, sexual promiscuity was part of club culture. It was a sub-culture where noone would be called a "creep", etc, for approaching women or making obvious advances (including light physical touch). There was an "understanding" that sexual advances was part of club culture. Of course though, you don't have to be a part of it. It doesn't have to be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 02:50 PM
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1) Women have more options. So they have more opportunities... From AI, looking at dating apps notorious for hook ups: "The ratio of women to men on dating apps varies across different platforms. Here’s a breakdown of the available data: Tinder: According to a study by Ogury, the gender ratio on Tinder is almost 9:1, with men making up 76% of the user base. (Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/975925/us-tinder-user-ratio-gender/) Bumble: While Bumble is often touted as a “female-friendly…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 02:45 PM
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The study in question used causative predictive factors to link the higher wealth status to being more attractive, and showed that attractiveness was number 1 predictor of female orgasm during sex. Can you post the part of the study that explains that? Also, a single study is not enough to make a definitive statement. You said there were studies. Can you link the multiple studies? No, orgasms don't actually work that way. They're mostly related to attraction, as the data proved. What studies are…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 11:07 AM
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You’ve gotta cast the bait for the fish you wanna catch. I personally, like muscle mommies, with those watermelon crushing thighs, that are built like mewtwo. The natural obvious overlap in interest is the gym. I like to go to the gym. But if I didn't, and I still wanted that type of woman, I'd go anyway. Because that's how you meet and get that type of girl. I think that's excellent advice. Finding your niche, and then going places where you can find your niche. One of my issues with most Red P…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:17 PM
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personality, charisma I think it's better to call it; communication skills. They can be improved. social status --> really just means how likeable and appealing the person is within a social dynamic Charisma seems to be something (IMO) people are born with, but most people can improve their communication skills. I'm neurodivergent, and I probably won't walk into a room and be Mr Charisma, but I've no doubt I can improve my communication skills with a lot of direct feedback. If I had the money (w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:04 PM
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There's LITERALLY STUDIES THAT SHOW THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO ORGASM WITH A WEALTHIER PARTNER. I'm only aware of one study, however I just wanted to point out; correlation isn't causation. Just because more women reports orgasms with a wealthier partner, doesn't necessarily mean wealth is the reason. It could be; wealthier men may have more sexual partners, and so have more experience. Or wealthier men have a high socio-economic status, and high socio-economic status is predictor of better health …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 09:52 PM
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The issue is; "shoulding" doesn't protect the woman from harm. As a black man I "should" be able to go anywhere I want in the world, and talk to any woman of any race, and not fear being killed. However, what happened to Bakari Henderson is a reality that I'd advise any black man to take into consideration when travelling. It seems you would disagree with that advice? We can educate and teach boys and men not to be creeps, and we can advise women to be mindful that (unfortunately) some outfits w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:01 PM
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My life experience has taught me, both on and offline; most people are massively overconfident in their ability to read people's psychology. A lot of people speak as if they are psychic or master psychotherapists, and claim to know with certainty what someone's intentions/motivations are - basically a lack of humility. Please note though; I wrote people, not women specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:05 PM
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I think this is cultural, not innate to women. From what I've heard, the kind of thing seen in the west (e.g. calling every woman physically attractive) is not innate, and in other cultures women will outright say other women are ugly or fat (not necessarily to their face, but if you ask them their opinion). Basically, in other cultures women are more forthright. Like in the west, very few women will express having exclusive racial preferences if asked, but I've heard in other regions they will …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:36 PM
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The Algorithm gives you a feedback loop based on your viewing habits, to keep you consuming content. A "blue pilled angry feminist" will likely have a very videos to you, possibly filled with ragebait videos of men behaving terribly to women (E.g. clips of Fresh and fit).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 12:34 PM
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He isn't saying it's a conscious motivation. It's like the Divorce Lawyer James Sexton says, Marriage is one of the few things when you ask people "why do you want to get married?" they look at you like you're crazy. People can be in love, committed relationships, and have babies in committed relationships without marriage. The difference is, marriage gives the relationship a boost in social status, it's a social signifier that the relationship is "serious". I'm not against people marrying, I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 03:49 PM
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Are you suggesting that it's haram/forbidden by Islamic scholars for poor men to marry women, or for fathers to approve of daughters being married? I used to be a muslim, and I never read any open class discrimination in Islamic texts. Poor muslims who struggle with basic necessities get married all the time throughout muslim majority nations. Again, you seem to be portraying that class discrimination is an intrinsic part of the religion, can you provide sources please? What you are describing s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 09:24 AM
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"Women are often emotional and sometimes get upset easily at small things Please post that on X/Twitter, and report back what responses you get. (Seriously.)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 02:19 AM
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You could, honestly live away from men if you wanted to; 1) Earthships are self sustaining homes. You can learn to build and sustain one. 2) Land in many developing nations is far cheaper than land in developed nations. 3) You can insist on using female farmers and delivery drivers for food, along with building a farm on your own property and hiring only women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 02:16 AM
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Yes, based on looking into cultures in East and South-East Asia. In parts of East and South-East Asia, men talk about it openly with each other, even going in groups together to whore houses. Foreigners who visit Thailand are notorious for openly using prostitutes, there are many guys on youtube who openly talk about it and it's not considered shameful in Thailand for men to use prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 12:54 PM
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So when people take issue with age-gap relationships, they’re not declaring the younger partner stupid (unable to make reasonable choices when it comes to career, politics, or contracts) - they’re declaring the younger person unwise (disadvantaged in knowing themselves and human nature due to lack of life experience). I don't understand how you seem be claiming that to make sound decisions regarding career, politics and contracts that it wouldn't hugely benefit from "knowing themselves and human…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 12:40 PM
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There's a difference between an assertion and a guess. Mindreading is when you assert. If you would have written: "I don't think this is a good faith dicussions because of [evidence]" then I wouldn't have said anything, because you gave me room to agree with or dispute the evidence. You however spoke as if you had complete knowledge... Had you intended a good faith discussion, you would have compared morality to morality or legality to legality There's no room for disagreement, when you speak wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 03:36 AM
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you would have compared morality to morality I have, and I just explained how I have. If you want clarification, then please read my replies to others. Had you intended a good faith discussion, Why do so many people in this subreddit try to mindread? Please, stop that. again, PLENTY of people object to those things but you conveniently left that out There's no need to mention that, when they aren't the people I want to reply to me. In this very thread people have tried to debate why there isn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 07:25 PM
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I don't want to turn this into a meta-ethics debate. (Were your posts just a good trolljob?)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 07:10 PM
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You asked about something people find immoral but don't want to make illegal. You then asked why other things are legal. Interpretation =/= intended implication. I wasn't writing about the legality, I was writing about the lack of moral objection to making a life altering legal decision. It's not about the morality and legality are 2 different things (though legality can be downstream from morality), and my focus was on the morality. My post is not about what laws should and shouldn't exist, it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 07:04 PM
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That isn’t an attack though. Unless you think it’s bad. You've asserted that it's bad, which is why I consider it a personal attack. You wrote this in response to someone else: So you agree that dating an old guy is just as bad of a decision as joining the military. You asserted that it's a bad decision to date an old guy. So if I was to date an 18 year old it would be a bad thing for her. It's the same thing I've seen when defending the moral right to be gay/a cuckold/a particular race. "You mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 06:41 PM
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It’s not a personal attack. You wrote this: It sounds to me like you’re asking a loaded question and want to justify dating significantly younger women. Insinuating that I'm not being honest about my intentions. I'll repeat again; I do not want to have sex or date anyone significantly younger than me. I'm a Millennial who prefers Millennial. You may not believe me, but I'm asking you to not try to psychoanalyze me, and I would prefer we just stick to the subject. It just sounds like you keep com…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 06:20 PM
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Can grown adults not receive advice? If all you are talking about is advice, then OK. I'm talking about the moral condemnation of age-gap relationships. If you don't morally condemn age-gap relationships, then my post doesn't apply to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 06:13 PM
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I'm guessing you can agree that the people who may want to pressure people to join the military can also have nefarious intentions (e.g. the - debateable - profit motive of the military-industrial complex). Also, people can be recruited into the entertainment industry for nefarious sexual gratificaiton (e.g. R Kelly, Weinstein, Diddy) at 18 (or even younger). However, people don't morally blanket condemn 18 year olds having a contract and being in the entertainment industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 06:11 PM
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I don't see how people can justify one, but not the other. I'm open to changing my mind, but I haven't seen anything convincing ITT.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 06:05 PM
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It sounds to me like you’re asking a loaded question and want to justify dating significantly younger women. I already prempted your personal attack in the OP. I'm guessing you didn't read it. It's clear you don't want to answer the question I'm posing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 06:04 PM
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Whilst I agree that considerable age gaps are off-putting, the equivocation to joining the military is incorrect because the military is a job, not someone who may fetishize your age sexually. The point is that joining the military (and being encouraged by elders to before the age of 18, which is very common) is a high risk decision, that can have severe consequences. I don't hear the same outrage about 18 year old military recruitment by elders as I do age-gap relationships, yet - if I'm guessi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 06:00 PM
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I think the bigger issue is that an exclusive preference for younger partners implies that they might be either too insecure to handle a relationship with an actual peer that has the same level of life experience or independence as they do, or they might be too shallow to be attracted to people beyond a certain age. OK, let's say that they are shallow or insecure, and that's their motivation. Would you consider that morally wrong? Personally, I don't think it's good for long term happiness of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 05:58 PM
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You don't seem to understand that my question, nor is the OP, about rights being taken away. It's asking: why would someone endorse 18 year olds making (or being encourage by elders) to make significant high risk decisions (like join the military), but being against an 18 year old making the decision to date someone significantly older than them. Again, this isn't about rights, this about the exceptionalism. Many people trust 18 year olds to make high risk decisions in all other areas, except fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 05:51 PM
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Do you believe it's good for an 18 year old to join the military, and risk all the potential negative outcomes (e.g. PTSD, being maimed, being killed)? If so, are you against an 18 year old civilian dating a 35 year old? And if so, why if you believe it's good for an 18 year old to make the decision to join the military?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 05:45 PM
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Idk why these posts keep being made. It’s obviously a plea to women to accept it. That wasn't my intention. In fact, the video that motivated me to make this post was done by a man, who was extremely critical of age gap relationships (regardless of gender).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 05:42 PM
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Will some still take issue, sure but I still think most of it comes down to the looks. All this stuff about power gaps and brain development are just post hoc rationalizations for the ick I think you're on to something. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 05:39 PM
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Where I live, the contract is longer. Also, you can develop PTSD, be maimed or killed. (Or kill someone, including innocent people. I knew someone who killed someone while serving in the military, and it was traumatic for them. Another guy I knew didn't kill anyone, but he used to wake up next to his girlfriend screaming.) Are you OK with 18 years olds making that decision, but not the decision to date someone significantly older than them?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 05:36 PM
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I never said, nor intended to imply that. I'm asking about the exceptionalism. People tend to be OK with 18 year olds making significant life altering decisions (often encouraged to do so by people significantly older than them) but are against 18 year old dating people significantly older than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 03:51 PM
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I think age gap relationships are really not that bad in most cases. There are plenty of cases where a person is groomed by some older person and then they “start dating” right when they are of legal age. At age 18 you have responsibilities and joining the military at that age can set you really well in life. I joined at 18 and it helped me escape pretty much surefire life of poverty. I agree, however joining the military can also lead to PTSD, being maimed or killed. Also, did you have people e…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 03:49 PM
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My post is about exceptionalism. Do you support 18 year olds being able to make significantly life altering decisions by being recruited by significantly older people to; join the military, join the entertainment industry (which can, of course, be done before 18), while being against college aged kids dating 35+ year olds? If you do, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 03:44 PM
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its done as a control method. To clairy; You believe that age-gap relationships are about always about control? entertainment industry and military are known for being manipulative and rotted to the core. it's money and control they want. morality doesn't even factor in. war is a racket as Major General Smedley D. Butler used to say. My post is questioning the exceptionalism. Are you against young adults being recruited to the military. this isn't faust you can escape a contract. In my country, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 03:40 PM
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Post like this are once again trying to tell men "this mental health crisis is all in you head and 100% your own fault. What part of OP's post have you interpreted as implying that? That seems to be an assumption you've made that you're asserting is fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:14 AM
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I have ADHD. I suspect I have autism (based on some test results online) but I haven't been formally diagnosed. Some solutions: 1) Passport broing. This is top of my personal list. Expats (at least in the low violent crime rate countries or areas) can - and in many cases will - be forgiven for not understanding or remembering social cues, because it's not their native culture. Singapore, Japan, Portugal, Finland, are safe places from my research, and also (apart from Portugal) more accepting of …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:15 PM
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Autism is a spectrum, so have you ever come across; Guys who have annoyed or baffled you by being socially "odd", "weird" or "obsessive/fixated" on obscure topics, etc? Guys who seemed like they were undermining or belittling you because they transgressed a social norm, but seemed to be 'oddly' sincere that they meant no offence?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 03:27 PM
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I think the sub-culture of the red pill tends to attract autistic men. The Red Pill tends to distil dating, gender behavior and relationships down to simple formulas, which I think Autistic people like (due to a usual fondness for categorizing things and for understanding social dynamics).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 01:51 PM
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Ah, I see. From what I've seen, religion really does a number on female sexuality. There's a streamer called notsoerudite who put me on to the stats of vaginismus rates for religious women vs secular women, and the issue of sexual dysfunction amongst religious women that is not spoken about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 09:54 PM
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Have you found a commonality between those women? e.g. small town recluse, autism, etc. I've found with men who struggle online, often times they seem to have autism/strong neurodivergence combined with emotional problems. which creates poor social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 07:56 PM
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I agree that a person can do hypnotherapy, EMDR and EFT at home, to themselves. However, an issue can be simply a lack of skill, and skill isn't simply a result of intelligence. Hypnotherapy is very skill based.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 08:25 AM
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There's many different forms of therapy. I think you are talking about talk therapy, and even talk therapy is a very large pool of modalities. There are effective therapies that don't simply invovle talking endlessly like; hypnotherapy (again, there are different forms), EMDR, and EFT, which are all evidence based therapies for helping people with issues like PTSD, anxiety, and depression. You don't have to sit in a room endlessly talking about your issues to be doing therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 08:32 PM
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IME, there are many people who can give a profound (and probably decently accurate) casual narrative about their problem. They've figure an origin story and how the destructive pattern is created, but... The problem still persists. IME explanation is massively overrated when it comes to personal change. OP talks about hypnotherapy (again, there are different forms), and there's also EMDR, and EFT, which are all evidence based therapies for helping people with issues like PTSD, anxiety, and depre…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 08:30 PM
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Best explanation I've seen comes from attachment theory. Women with insecure attachment patterns are attracted to men with insecure attachment patterns (abusers have insecure attachment patterns). Women with an insecure attachment style that is avoidant, will often be quick to dump partners... I don't take "Icks" at face value, and I suspect that personality traits are the primary cause (e.g. avoidant attachment style) or it's an rationalization for decision. Also, IME, intuition is usually pret…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 08:18 PM
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It's no more strange that an overwhelmingly high majority of the population being against Murder and organized crime, while The Sopranos, Breaking Bad and The Wire are considered 3 of the greatest shows every made. What a person likes in fiction or fantasy doesn't necessarily (and usually doesn't) equate to what they support or want IRL. For a lot of people, their Kinks are separate from the Politics or Ethics. It takes place in the world of "make believe", to reitrate it's not real, and that's …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:59 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:43 AM
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A lot of men are under the delusion that women like them and care about them for who they are as human beings, which is unfortunately not sure. You can see this very easily once you notice that most women expect men to pay for dates from the very beggining, and if a man doesn't pay, then she'll move on to the next one. Obviously if she was interested in a man for who he is, whether or not he pays would not be an issue, and yet it is for many women. IMO there's impersonal and personal aspects to …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 09:31 AM
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I listened to the video and I didn't hear him say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 02:42 PM
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Where did he state that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 02:19 PM
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I strongly suspect (as someone who is neurodivergent) that most men interested in debating these topics are probably neurodivergent and probably somewhere on the autism spectrum, so they'll tend to have a hard time dealing with and recognizing nuance. There's a strong tendency of the red pill crowd to see everything in simple to digest formulas. Also, to be blunt, IMO black, Latino and Arab communities seems understand women's different body types more. We tend to recognize that some women are b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 10:20 AM
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I know people better than I used to, I'm no longer so easily enchanted by the attentions of new people. And I'm definitely not willing to risk my marriage to find out if "passion" is still possible for me. Just in case there's a misunderstanding... Esther doesn't advise leaving your marriage to find passion, she talks about reigniting passion within a marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 10:06 AM
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I agree game has limits, but an average guy (a 5) can get very attractive women if they are hilarious. I really can't stress enough how much humor attracts women, from what I've observed. I don't think many average looking comedians (even before they were famous) had trouble getting attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 09:57 AM
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There was a show I used to watch (I take "reality TV shows" with a pinch of salt, but...) it was called Millionaire Matchmaker. Some of the guys on there were very successful, and even good looking, but they were seriously lacking in social skills. I remember one guy got with one of the most beautiful women I have honestly ever seen, but she was completely turned off because he was so damn awkward despite being a good looking and rich guy. I strongly advise watching reruns of that show if you ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 09:03 PM
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No amount of charisma or fuzzy feelings will make a 7 want to fuck a man whose a 5 in the dating market lol If you're funny and a mid or below average guy, you can get good looking women, from what I've observed. I'm surprised you're red pill and don't think that game is really important.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 08:44 PM
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I do however think that's what it's supposed to be in media. That was the context of my opening sentence; the belief that in porn a hand around the throat = choking.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 02:56 PM
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Talking to you helped me to see that some people think that a hand around the throat automatically equals choking, so you might be right. I assumed that people would be able to tell the difference. Maybe it's because of the generation difference (I'm a millenial). I noticed that Zoomers seem to take porn more literally and seriously I'm baffled by the Zoomers I've come across who believe the BBC meme, that white women enmasse secretly crave black men like the porn titles say (I'm black,) or thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 01:13 PM
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It doesn't convey anything if the person don't act like they are choking/being asphyxiated, which they don't. Porn performers are well known for overacting, yet they don't act like they are being choked. There are videos where performers are asphixated (e.g. pushed down when performing oral sex until they are left gasping for air, holding their mouth and nosed closed until their eyes begin to roll, etc), and their reaction is very different from when they have a hand put around their throat. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 11:58 AM
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I watched a lot of porn and I wouldn't say choking is common. A hand around the throat is, but that's different from choking.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 09:50 AM
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This isn’t really true at least not anymore. I actually think red pill guys love to talk about the personal lives of people especially women. I’ve actually learned true celebrity, gossip from these men. That's spot on IMO, the red pill community on youtube is filled with videos about the personal lives of celebrities.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 01:55 PM
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I didn't mean to elaborate on what you wrote. I meant why did you write that in response to my sentence; No disrespect but this is a dating and relationships subreddit, so people are going to talk about things within that specific context. Did you write that post in order to elicit a response out of me?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 06:17 PM
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Actually this is a dating, relationships, and gender subreddit. True, but the high majority of discussion here revolves around dating and relationships. And treating romantic rejection like a deep injustice or personal insult is maladaptive regardless of the subreddit you're on. I agree. I don't know why you wrote that in response to my post though. (I'm ND, maybe I'm missing something.)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 05:59 PM
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What does "how people treat you" mean? Are romance and sex the only things men ultimately care about in terms of how they are "treated"? No disrespect but this is a dating and relationships subreddit, so people are going to talk about things within that specific context.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 02:54 PM
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It's debatable how much that increase is due to an increase in diagnosis and how much is an increase the number of people with those traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 02:46 PM
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The premise of a one sided poly or open relationship is exclusivity from one side. I'm guessing you have a hidden premise in your morality. The hidden premise seems to be equality of sexual behavior is a necessary for condition for a relationship to be moral. Am I correct? ​ From a previous post... Let me rephrase it: it's immoral if you insist on it being one-sided forever. You've said you see it as immoral if both parties agree to the conditions of their relationship being; one partner being s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 10:42 AM
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By that reasoning I would expect you to consider monogamous relationships immoral? Because it's 2 people insisting on sexual exclusivity forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 09:58 AM
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Huh, I'm pretty sure I've read here that women are bored faster sexually in a ltr and need novelty for an active libido. What was their reasoning? If women desired novelty more than men, then I would expect that they would be having a lot more sex than they do, and commit adultery more than men (which they don't). It's a lot easier for women to find someone to have sex with. ​ Not saying that there aren't ways to work on that or that this occurs with all women, but there are so many women who af…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 09:04 AM
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Yeah, one sided poly is just immoral if you want to forbid your partner to enjoy the same freedom that you want for yourself. I don't think it's immoral if the partner consents to the arrangement. I think only non-consensual (or dubious consent) one sided polyamory is immoral. Sounds like you have a great relationship, props. I have thought about having an open relationship in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 08:37 AM
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I agree that is the most honorable thing to do, however from what I've seen people generally want one sided polyamory. Even people who cheat don't like the idea of their partner having sex with someone else. There are couples with that arrangement (on the men's or women's side e.g. hotwife or cuckold couples). Also my life experience has taught me that a lot of people massively overestimate their willpower and that lot of people don't have an accurate understanding of themselves. Meaning some pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 09:25 AM
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You fucking your hand, but you're not only using you hand. You're using porn for stimulation, you hand alone would not get you off, the novelty of the stimuation. You might be the kind of man that doesn't have a high desire for novelty when it comes to sex in person. My point is, some men desire novelty like you desire novelty in porn use. Even if an enthusiastic women is banging them, they will still desire novelty. She's not doing anything wrong, and there's nothing wrong with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 09:23 PM
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My response to that would be... Do you watch porn? If so... Did you watch the same pornstar over and over? (I know some guys do. I'm just curious if you do. I don't, I like novelty.) Someone gave the analogy... Would you want your favorite meal for dinner every day of your life? Some people would say yes. You might be like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 06:11 PM
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I believe you are spot on. Advice or practices like this IMO gives people the illusion of control over another person. I think far too many people downplay the desire for novelty. The low stimulation of familiarity can be comforting but also boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 06:09 PM
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They don’t cheat because of sex, but something deeper than that (the thrill, the external validation, being sick of their partners, etc.). I think the desire for a new partner (novelty) likely explains a lot of motivation for men. (If I rememember right, researcher and social media educator Macken Murphy said that novelty was a bigger motivator for men than women. Also, he says that in research he's seen that men are likely rate their relationship as satisfying and still cheat, whereas women whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 06:04 PM
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