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I'll acknowledge that I'm extremely fortunate that I've always been welcome in my wife's family. In her culture, marriage ties are nearly as strong as blood. But, that carries the weight of responsibility and expectations. Our son is currently halfway around the world in her home country spending the summer with cousins, prior to starting grad school. They're that close. I recall those types of relationships here as a youth. I feel for our single friends of both genders as we all approach 60. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:54 PM
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The elderly women in your life regretted marriage? I don't believe the ones I knew had that sentiment though I doubt that I explicitly asked them. I do recall them being content and highly regarded. Friends come and go, sometimes painfully. Even the definition of friend changes with time. Family has a permanence that can't be replicated. Marriage rates dropping aren't causing the social issues, but they're certainly contributing. There are fewer family ties with fewer marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:28 PM
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I think this idea that back in the day many people in marriages were secretly unhappy, is greatly exaggerated. Part of the social engineering agenda. No marriage was perfect but most were content enough in my GenX memories and experience. You're just talking about the perception of others, or the nuts and bolts of marriage. Like that's all there is to it. The best thing about marriage is the special bond that can only come with commitment and sacrifice. The secret sauce that makes a person "your…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:05 PM
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Invisibility is such a nebulous term, but I would point to relationship and marriage rates as evidence. This phenomenon is complicated, but is at least partially attributed to a growing divergence (esp. socially, politically, and economically) between young men and women. Leading to a breakdown in traditional courting and social interaction. Of course not limited to men, but is far more isolating for the pursuers than the pursued.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:08 AM
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I believed in the ideal of romantic love as a young man. As an older man married 30 years to a fantastic wife, I believe I am living it. It's sad that so many have become so jaded.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:34 PM
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I'm long married and have no dog in this fight, but however you want to define 'invisible' (whether sexual attention from the other gender, or any notice or acknowledgement at all), a huge percentage of men are far more invisible now compared to just a couple decades ago. It can be debated as to why that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:19 PM
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Ok. A lot of that sounds pretty complicated. Bringing things like baggage, projection and trust issues surely complicates compatibility a great deal. Like puzzle pieces to form together. So maybe the model is turned upside down in that case. Odds would be far lower regardless, with complications in the picture. Our experience was very different, as I had minimal and my wife zero baggage. Probably because we were young in our first semester of college. I definitely recommend dating with intent fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 05:47 AM
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Based on 35 yrs of experience with my wife, I do not believe there are any short cuts to bonding and love. My rather simple theory on compatibility and attachment, and consequently bonding: For the short term and fun, seeking someone quite similar is no doubt more exciting, with higher highs and lower lows. Attraction tends to fade with time. Often a fast flame, faster burnout. For the long term, someone different will be more complementary when building together. Partners grow as individuals by…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 03:49 AM
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Interesting theory. I believe it can definitely be a factor given the complexity of human psychology especially female. I would say the effect is more likely the higher the N. Promiscuity is literally self sabotage in many ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 05:57 AM
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Huh? Lots of respectable people go to places like that specifically to meet people. If a connection happens, it happens. World travel is fantastic including the social aspects. Edit: you seem hyper sensitive to how others perceive you. That's a massive handicap.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 10:04 PM
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Concur. My wife and I were heavy into gaming for about 20 years. That chapter is behind us now, but we were anything but losers. It was more of a hobby. I suspect it may be far different for solo people of either gender who use gaming as escapism. The regret of time and opportunities lost must be brutal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 09:58 PM
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For many if not most of them, the "choice" about being single was greatly assisted by a drop in interest coming their way. Let's be real.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 11:09 PM
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He isn't talking about guys who just want to bang. Those guys don't give a damn about her, or her past. He's talking about relationship oriented men who desire relationship oriented women. Nothing crushes those feelings faster than finding out she's been promiscuous in her past.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 07:28 PM
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Interesting commentary about The Matrix whether you wrote it, you found it, or AI. you're one of a (un)lucky few to have the choice. Oh, I was as blue pilled as they came when I was young. Lost my first 2 GFs because of stupid pedestalizing, I'm assuming. Yeah I was a fool, but I thought that's what guys were supposed to do. Chivalry and all. That ended up being fortunate. My younger self was then wise enough to marry college sweetheart. 30 yrs later she's still wholesome, free of any baggage an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:54 AM
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The reason it sounds circular to you is because it is almost impossible for us to grasp the dating challenges of the other gender. Because the expectations and experiences are polar opposite in many ways. It's difficult for women to understand that men are effectively (initially) invisible to women if they don't possess superficially attractive traits. Which is most, by definition "average", men. It's difficult for men to understand why women don't choose better. Being over saturated with the il…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 08:23 PM
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What do you mean by "treat women poorly"? If you're talking about general manipulation tactics, emotional distance, using them for sex then ghosting, etc, well that behavior is far more likely to come from men with options. Because, well, they like to keep it moving and acting "avoidant" is a useful strat. If you're talking about controlling behavior, abuse or outright violence, well that's probably a subset of all men. Hence, I would advise women to take their time getting to know a man so he w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 07:07 PM
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It has everything to do with what is being discussed. Do you at least admit that some men on the apps get lots of interest from women, e.g. having options? What would you expect those men to do when presented with options? Some men getting the lion's share of attention in dating necessitates other men getting significantly less attention. This effect is, of course, compounded by the mismatch in representation between men and women on OLD. It's not rocket science, or a "cult". It's basic logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 06:30 PM
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Good luck ever getting them to admit to being the source of the problem. As you said, the vast majority of them pursuing a small subset of men. What happens when those guys have options? They keep it moving. What else would you expect. Then acting like it's some mystery why there are so many "avoidants" in modern dating is icing on the cake. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 05:52 PM
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Well, I'm pretty sure that women fantasize and lust using their imagination too. About all sorts of things, based on those steamy romance novels. Also, harmless fantasies are night and day difference from something very specific and real, like missing "Chad's dick" as you do eloquently put it. As shitty as porn and the addiction to it is, it isn't really sex and thus is completely reversible. As opposed to being hopelessly stuck on some Ex from her past, aka alpha widowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:07 AM
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It's a bit tricky when a couple has differing cleanliness thresholds. Let's be real, that's probably just about all couples. I'll admit my wife does most of the cleaning for our common spaces. I'm incredibly lucky that she also loves to cook. So I clean the dishes and take the trash out, which I'll admit is easier. I tend to do all the vacuuming and mopping in our large house, as well as most yardwork and fixing things when needed. I also do whatever chores she asks, no questions asked. Since sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:09 PM
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That does sound like quite a double standard. The silly "gold digger" accusation couldn't apply in my case because we were college sweethearts and spent lots of time together organically (classes, activities, study partners, etc) without one investing financially more than the other. I'm very glad she made me wait, because it let me know that she would've done the same for any man before me. A huge part of the appeal. It's tough these days, because how do you navigate those challenges in the era…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:12 AM
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That sounds like blatant deception and manipulation, and lazy and weak at that. It blows my mind if that's considered normal these days. I understand (as well as a man can) what women are facing because I have a daughter who has to deal with the BS. I hope she continues to listen to my advice. I've been married 30+ yrs and went to great lengths to prove intent, over a significant period of time to my wife. But then, she comes from a stable, highly successful family with strong values and morals.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 02:58 AM
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Which male animals stay and live with female animals? Not many. Your point is more comparable to one night stands than relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 02:21 AM
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It's even well known fact among men that timid and depressed women are easy lay if you pretend to care for them then you can smash and dash. That's why women used to make men wait for intimacy, in order to prove intent. On the advice of caring male elders who loved them. That simple act weeds out the vast majority of dishonest sexually predatory men who have always existed. Alas, due to the disintegration of family, those caring male figures are largely gone. Hence, the countless broken women (a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 02:06 AM
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As inferred in our other exchange, I believe promiscuity is mutually exclusive with the ability to pair bond, and therefore deepen romantic love. The real secret sauce of a relationship. But it's fruitless to argue with someone who has probably forgotten what real intimacy was like (e.g. the opposite of sport fucking), or what it's like to have a woman feel uniquely special to him. Such that he's willing to sacrifice much to commit, share time, thoughts and dreams, and ultimately life experience…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 01:31 PM
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Well, some of us do have the control to last precisely until the moment she finishes, or shortly thereafter. Whether 5, or 20+ minutes. Lol Exceptional cardio fitness ftw.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:08 AM
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Those are either desperate men, or they have a fat fetish. Ugh
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 02:06 AM
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I do think promiscuity renders men unfit for relationships, albeit not to the same degree. They don't tend to become broken and bitter. Just jaded. Too much objectification can definitely spoil one's view of women, and make it difficult to commit to and stay loyal to just one woman. For both men and women, once intimacy becomes recreation or sport, it cannot switch back. Capacity for pair bonding, vital for relationships, diminishes. Regarding STDs, I was referring more to viral infections. Viru…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 01:59 PM
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From a societal standpoint, a subset of men cycling through large numbers of women isn't good. They leave behind a trail of broken and bitter women, attracted to toxic traits. Unfit for relationships. Many promiscuous men are also effectively super spreaders of disease. And yeah, many of them lie and manipulate to get what they want. Like some sort of perverse sport.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 08:41 AM
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My biggest beef with red pill are those that assert that promiscuity is only bad for women. That's not just hypocritical, it's idiotic. Promiscuity is terrible for many reasons, for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 06:34 AM
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As a man, I think promiscuous men absolutely should face backlash. But that's out of our control. Women are free to define their preferences regarding promiscuity, just as men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 05:56 AM
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As a man, I think promiscuous men absolutely should face backlash. But that's out of our control. Women are free to define their preferences regarding promiscuity, just as men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 05:54 AM
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Indeed. Echo chambers are worse than counterproductive, they tend to keep people stuck. Reddit is full of echo chambers, easily identified by lots of emotional up and down voting, as well as heavy handed mods. Subs like this one, with a decent balance of views, can be interesting and informative.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 01:48 PM
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Logically, the more Exes one has the greater the amount of baggage and trauma. Which factors into loss of capacity for commitment and pair bonding, and being unfit for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:00 AM
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The bitterness in your projection is tangible. Good grief.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:34 AM
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Has feminism made men weak? Let's think about it... Women becoming career oriented and gaining financial independence has resulted in a loss of interest in marriage and family. Men not only ended up losing potential romantic partners, they gained direct competitors for employment and resources. With little hope of success, a family or greater purpose, many men lose motivation to work, instead falling into sloth, vices, and passivity. Therefore, feminism has certainly contributed to the general w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 08:53 PM
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First, clarify that when we say men and women we are talking averages, not subgroups or individuals. One could argue that women have fewer "excuses" in dating today simply because they have (way) more options. Of course, everyone is responsible for their own choices and actions in dating. Excuses get you nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 11:34 PM
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Marriage with the right person (compatibility) can become remarkably easy and low maintenance with time and experience (cooperation, communication, conflict resolution). As someone who has finally mastered relationship skills after 30 yrs with my partner, I would say maintaining friendships is much harder. At least for us introverted types. Thank goodness my wife is the more social one, and her friends (and their hubbies) are my friends too. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:12 AM
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I think most men realize this. I'm not so sure that most women realize that it applies to them as well. The next financial crisis will likely be severe. A reminder for everyone that ultimately we're on our own.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 04:14 AM
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Unsure of what you're trying to say here. We have very rich lives individually and jointly. It isn't our job to make each other happy, we can and do handle that on our own. We do, however, enhance each other's lives greatly by being together. I'm sorry that love and relationships appear to be a foreign concept to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:33 AM
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Not a proponent for arranged marriages either. Lol I was referring to when people often met through mutual acquaintances, or paired up with their life mate in college.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 04:30 PM
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Aren't we on here to share opinions? Social issues tend to be highly subjective. Just because it's a small part of a relationship doesn't mean it is unimportant. But most people who have been married a while (30+ yrs in my case) will tell you that libido tends to fluctuate over time for many reasons. Sometimes you're more aligned with your partner, and other times less. Thus it is very important to have other relationship aspects binding you together in order to sustain over the long term. (in m…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 02:09 PM
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Dating and relationships were far more stable and long-term before. But, online dating has largely monetized, commoditized, and rendered the process into something similar to a shopping experience. So now, people have been conditioned to expect and accept much more transitory relations (fwb, situationships) revolving purely around sex. But, sex is a relatively small part of any (healthy) relationship. Having it as the primary driver is inherently unstable and collectively unsustainable for any s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 01:18 PM
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Reality? I quite enjoy married life, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 03:07 AM
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Not all women, just immature women. Dry dick is better than being a lying scumbag. Better yet, find someone serious who doesn't want to fuck around playing games and wasting time. Commit to her and leave all that toxic BS behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 01:48 AM
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Well, unless times have drastically changed I would say it's the opposite for long married women. At least my wife, and her/our friends.. I find it actually is more likely to get her in the mood if I'm extra helpful around the house, or if I offer to do store runs for anything we need. Or anything else she may want or need. Why would acting like a lazy slob or like a pompous a-hole be attractive? Who wants to be like that anyway...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 10:09 PM
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A deep and loving relationship with someone highly compatible with us is the single greatest life enhancer there is. For the vast majority of people. That's why it pains me to see people heading down a path that will complicate if not outright prevent any chance of that happening in their future. A travesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:08 AM
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My guess is that males stay in miserable marriages because they still love their spouse. At least most of them. I encourage those men to prioritize themselves for a while to build themselves up physically and mentally. You attracted her before, and you can do it again. My marriage has had some significant ups and downs, but we're better than ever now as empty nesters. Living the life!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:10 AM
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Thing is, when unstable and scary times come, many will wish they had someone by their side. With inflation potentially pricing food out of the budget for many, who do you think they will target? The weak who have resources. Hunger is primal and easily overrides morals and values. Or you can put your head in the sand and think that can't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 05:47 AM
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Sexual attention != relationship. It's bizarre why this is such a mystery to so many women. So many guys when horny will F anything, including older less desirable women. The question is, can she find and keep a man. Probably not because then 'long term relationships' would be singular.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 02:39 AM
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Ran through girls make better partners? What a crock. Good luck to any poor sap who accepts a current or former harpy. Pleasure starts in the minds of women. It will be a steep uphill battle for anyone to measure up against Exes from a promiscuous woman's past, idealized romantically in hindsight. Exes whose attention she was probably competing for at the time, and (consciously or not) tried to win over by initiating and being extra freaky under the sheets. This is also called limerence, which i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 01:51 AM
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If she's that way by choice or principles, then hell yes I would say she's a keeper. If you find her otherwise attractive and interesting enough. She probably has strong values and morals, and wants any future intimacy to be meaningful. Likely to become an awesome mom, too. I'm extremely fortunate to have 30 years with someone like that. Just gets better with time...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 08:26 PM
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That is simply unrealistic. Relationships aren't static, they change and evolve over time. Who makes decisions only considering the here and now? The future is more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 02:15 AM
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This is even a question? 1, of course. Because that kind of relationship has the potential to evolve and get better with time. Additionally, with some work on your part 1 can likely expand to include 2 frequently enough. For you only of course, which is special and an amazing feeling. You must choose well: someone loyal and not attention seeking. Treat her well and always be building yourself up in some manner. Her friends thinking highly of you or envying her relationship fast tracks the proces…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 12:54 AM
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Not a RP'er, but wife goggles? Is that where your wife looks more beautiful to you compared to other women around her age? My wife and I have been together 30 yrs and that's most definitely the case for me. I attributed it to love, and seeing her younger self in my mind's eye when I look at her. Wife goggles FTW.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 01:55 AM
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Much of that is permanent viral STDs (HPV, HSV) reactivating with the natural decline of the immune system. No sex required. GWs in old age sure sounds fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 09:07 PM
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Love over sex, no contest. Thankfully, I don't have to choose. 8)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 05:55 AM
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It's more socially acceptable to slut-shame men because it's more acceptable to criticize men in general. No complaints, as being held to a higher standard makes us better. Slut shaming throughout history has actually come primarily from other women. Why? To look out for each other and to guard against a massive, glaring blind spot. It's a blind spot because we have great difficulty perceiving the preferences of the other gender. Sex, dating, relationships and nearly every other gender-based exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 01:00 AM
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Wow, I'm so sorry you went through all that. What is wrong with people. How did you continue dating after being treated so horribly. That sounds more like running the gauntlet. I'm grateful that my wife never went through that kind of BS, and is mentally and emotionally strong as a result. The most stable person I know. The thought of anyone mistreating her enrages me. But we did marry young (college sweetheart) and I'm her one and only. Things were quite different some 30 years ago. Most people…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:09 AM
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Same! Married my college sweetheart and we both couldn't be happier 30 yrs later. Life is good, so glad we didn't waste time, giving more time to grow together.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:27 AM
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I was always the relationship type. My first 2 GFs went similar to your high school experience. I must've been too boring at the time I guess. Funny how things switched, when they "caught up". Heh They did me a favor in the end as I went for someone completely different in college. Someone I'm still married to 30 yrs later. Sometimes you get lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:45 AM
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My wife and I are well matched, which is a major reason we're stable and happy together after 30 yrs. There are too many positive, healthy things to list in our relationship. Main things we've improved on over the years are probably listening and communication. Also notable is an understanding and appreciation of each other's preferred expressions of affection. We're at our best, in a relationship sense, when we strive to meet each other in the middle. In other words, compromise. Valued traits? …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 12:06 AM
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We've heard similar stories from the property manager for our duplex. It's sad. Agreed about long term cohabitation. It goes best with the benefits and security of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:04 AM
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In our social circle we hear so much about this phobia towards commitment from the single folks, and all of our kids. Generally speaking, From men about women less than 30. From women about men over 30. We talk about possible causes, but nobody has a clue when it comes to solutions. Those of us in committed relationships, are just grateful that we are. Definitely provides motivation to put in work and not take things for granted...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:31 AM
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This topic appears to be bait, but whatever. A great thing about healthy long term relationships is that other forms of intimacy become every bit as potent as sex. As a couple grows closer over time, this is more than enough to bridge gaps in libido that naturally occur with time and circumstance.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 02:45 AM
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Exactly! We're in Busan currently and I concur with your observations. It's really cute how nearly all the couples we see hold hands and smile contently, young and old. Maybe they're faking but I don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 03:01 PM
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We've been traveling S Korea (Busan, currently) and I'm wondering if the supposedly strained gender relations are overstated. Anecdotally speaking, we're seeing more happy appearing couples per capita than back home in the US. Most of them walking holding hands and smiling contently, including older couples. It's very cute actually, and we've been joining them in the hand holding lol. For sure we're seeing fewer children per capita than back home, but I think there are complex reasons behind tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 02:56 PM
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You can't reason with sex addicts lost in perversion. Sex is literally like a handshake for them. It's bizarre how some people can swap fluids with random strangers without thought of hygiene or STDs. But we live in strange times.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 10:04 AM
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Projection much? It's pretty 'gay' to think that based on what I wrote. Too many are overly sexual these days. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 03:17 PM
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What you can do (not 'you' per say, but normal men who don't get off on degradation and domination of females) is stay the fuck away from extremely damaged or mentally ill individuals, lest you start enjoying nonsense like that. It's a slippery slope. Dominating women is weakness not strength. Real power is being able to dominate other men, physically or otherwise. Whether or not one chooses to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 10:43 AM
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Being able to physically dominate a woman as a man isn't power. It's normal unless you are physically handicapped, or otherwise weak. It's pretty whack to get turned on by such a disgusting thing. Wake the fuck up. Real power is being able dominate other men. Whether or not one chooses to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 10:12 AM
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Maybe I'm getting old and boring but reading that is depressing. I would never ever put my hands on my wife's neck and I would be ready to kill anyone who would, or did. I view myself as her protector and simulating harming her makes my skin crawl. I weep for those that are lost in porn, or so sex addicted that they think that shit is remotely normal and healthy. It isn't, nor has it ever been.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 09:59 AM
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All those mentioned say controversial things to draw in viewers, rile people up and get fame/money. There are truths but plenty of exaggeration and distortion as well. Kind of like the rabble rousers on the other side demonizing men, calling them incels and pushing them towards red pill content. Like politics, whatever happened to moderation. Best to unplug from extreme rhetoric and BS on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 09:32 AM
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As an early 50s long married guy, we have quite a few single friends both male and female. I don't believe one gender handles being alone better than the other. Generally speaking, it does seem like women are less hesitant to initiate, less concerned about being the "3rd wheel" when hanging out with us (and usually other couples). One of my best friends is long single. He hides it well but I know he gets lonely. He's a very successful and decent looking guy, but for some reason he seems to be do…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 04:33 PM
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Many men find purpose in other things as well, but family and legacy are by far the most meaningful when it comes to long term fulfillment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 05:36 AM
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Lol. I'm not sure why you perceive such a thing as a threat but ok. It only makes sense if one doesn't like the "goods" where they are, to go elsewhere. I never said anything about "passport bros". Men of means have been seeking foreign brides for ever. My college gf who became my wife is SE Asian. She's amazing. Many of my friends met their wife in her country. It's not like it's some rare thing, although admittedly more common among the affluent. It's weird that such a concept seems to trigger…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 06:41 PM
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Meanwhile, smart Western men will build up resources then look overseas where the market is in their favor. Lots of options out there if one is motivated.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 06:09 AM
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Well, duh. That's one reason (of many) why you don't "settle down" with women having a toxic Ex, or many Exes for that matter. Leave them to desperate men. Obviously, women who fuck around accumulate baggage/trauma instead of actual relationship skills. Or best case, a clean slate with little to no experience. If the dating landscape is so bleak, work on your resources and go overseas in search of someone with a clean past and compatible values.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 07:55 PM
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It's disgusting how you put it into words, but I suppose that's the reality of it with the apps and such. I really hope most women have better sense than to give into whatever urges, but it's their choice. Just be honest about it so some poor sap doesn't come along and get blindsided by a stark mismatch in values/morals, after developing feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 07:00 PM
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Does sexual promiscuity matter? I think it matters a great deal. It's no accident that a high count is usually accompanied by other negative traits. Like distrust, lack of vulnerability, inability to establish a deep connection, and other general baggage if not outright trauma. Promiscuity is absolutely terrible for both men and women. I believe that the more someone separates sex from love, the more they are unable to love and therefore establish a deep bond with another. After all, sex is the …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:47 AM
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Yeah, the whole idea of objectifying, using and sharing women with other men for pleasure, is a bit off putting. Most people aren't sex addicts, nor use meaningless sex for recreation. That often represents a critical mismatch in values, and people who have ever engaged in casual sex need to be honest about their past should they ever settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 03:51 AM
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Are you talking about swinger groups? Ewww, thankfully that's a very small subset of the population. At least, I hope we haven't degenerated so far that even that is becoming normalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 08:47 PM
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The term "late bloomer" implies some level of success. Why would that involve self hate?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 04:15 AM
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Just realize that when it comes to STDs, infection risk is a function of promiscuity level. Exposure is both direct (# of past sex partners) and indirect (past partners' partners). The highly attractive guys that give most women the tingles? Lol those dudes are basically disease super spreaders, if they're fucking around on the apps or elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 09:45 PM
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Someone who is or has been promiscuous is far more likely to cheat. Once sex becomes casual and recreational it's no longer special and intimate. Mutually exclusive and irreversible. Emotional connections are blunted due to diminished bonding ability. Agreed on the second part, men who slut shame while engaging in casual sex themselves, are huge hypocrites.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 07:00 AM
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"Do men leave their wives that they met young when these women reach 40?" Of course not. Why would we throw away our relationship that we have invested decades into. Would I "date my wife" had we met at 40 years of age? Who knows, as we would be entirely different people compared to when we actually did meet. For me, one perk of having a long term partner is that I still see her younger self in my mind's eye. This accents her look in a way that is unique to me. She still looks amazing to me 30 y…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 09:55 PM
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Be real. Those guys did not lose interest. They never had interest if they didn't also pursue some sort of commitment or exclusivity. Those guys wanted an available hole to satisfy carnal desires. Lust drops quickly with familiarity so they kept things moving.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 09:52 PM
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Disagree. My opinion is that men should be willing to have a baby with whoever it is they're willing to have sex with. Maybe they'll actually raise their standards for physical intimacy off the floor. Don't like it? There are options: 1) don't lie down with her 2) get to know her well enough first to trust her 3) and/or use protection or other contraceptive measures 4) better yet, find someone you can commit to before having sex. No sympathy from me here. In fact, I've swung hard against the abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 06:13 PM
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Well... although we've had some significant ups and downs, I love my wife as much as ever, after 30 yrs together. We have an amazing marriage in every way I can think of. I like to think we're not that unique, and such a jaded view isn't warranted...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 03:19 AM
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Just because a bunch of broken women prefer fboys doesn't mean you should descend to their level and become one. Just for the sake of getting your D wet. Just imagine what dealing with that kind of woman, over and over, will do to your overall impression of women. The sure path to jadedness as you age. Do you want to be part of the problem, or part of the solution? Why not take the high road? Anyway, that's my take on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 08:16 PM
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There are many women who are soft (not weak), feminine, loyal, optimistic and extremely family oriented. Women who have not been jaded romantically and who view sex as intimacy, not recreation. 0 or very low n-count is a huge factor there. Which matches our natural instinct. However, these women are becoming exceedingly rare in the West, so you will probably have to go to them wherever they are in the world. If you do find one who is a good match, you will not be disappointed. That I promise you…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 07:07 PM
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Because they probably lacked a father figure. Healthy, aka high value, women are much more secure and make better choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 06:52 AM
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The HPV vaccine only protects against a small handful of strains, and many people still get infected albeit usually less severity. Still it's obviously a good idea to get vaccinated. HPV is forever, and those with high risk strains will need invasive examinations yearly from that point onward, and be dependent on their medical system for screening and treatment. From: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6291628/ " Among these, we identified the complete genomes of 83 previously unknown …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:45 PM
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First off, it's repeatedly stated on r/HPV and elsewhere that 80% of sexually active people will be infected with the virus at some point in their lifetimes. That certainly didn't used to be the case only a couple of decades ago. Secondly, Sweden has a great database of HPV statistics. I'm trying to find a video I watched a while ago that showed some pretty obvious trends. Unfortunately I didn't bookmark it. Here's one that shows distinct upticks in HPV-16 prevalence, and related oral cancers (a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:22 PM
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I do not believe they're accurate for 2019, no way. Even less so post-pandemic, which was a huge game changer. It's really hard to imagine women resisting the always available temptation of OLD, given the complete anonymity and secrecy factor. Especially if they've spent much time being single. Even CDC statistics can be fallible. The proliferation of serious STDs like HPV, and associated cancers, also suggests a much higher rate of promiscuity now.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:49 PM
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Off topic, but given the astronomical levels of leverage and debt around the world (govt, corporate and consumer), the next economic crisis will be severe. Like a Greatest Depression. The current situation is unsustainable, and all that debt cannot be paid back in anything but inflated dollars/currency (hyperinflation). Or, alternatively, debt cancellations (deflation). Either scenario will be devastating to regular people. Men and women will put the pettiness behind them and be forced together …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:05 AM
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I think things like power, superiority and domination are overblown between the genders. Although you may be right. No system is ever perfect. I've always thought women to be naturally superior at weilding "soft power" and men "hard power", generally speaking. If that makes any sense. Unfortunately, I think one effect of all this is the proliferation of radicalized men (eg. Tate followers) on the one side, and hardcore feminists on the other. I believe there will be a hard swing towards hyper co…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:40 AM
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I'm not remotely religious, although I'm now having to eat crow and admit the benefit they have to society, in the form of social cohesion and preservation of family. I think a big issue is that men and women should never, ever try to be like the other. We are fundamentally different in so many ways, from biology to psychology and sociology. Literal polar opposites. Women should be extremely choosy about who they give sex to, and men should be extremely choosy about who they give relationships t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:15 AM
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I think a lot of other men automatically get lumped in with the ones you're referring to ("leftover creators" or whatever). I know several guys who have given up on dating shortly after their divorce, and a few others who moved overseas as expats to escape toxicity and find relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:59 AM
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While an unpopular opinion around here, that is precisely why healthy peer and family pressures need to make a comeback in Western society. To assist our women and men to make better decisions in their young adulthood. Such a short period of time has profound influence over the trajectory of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:42 AM
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No one's claiming women can't get men, but keeping them is a whole different animal. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:36 AM
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What about all the men who've only been with their wives (and perhaps a GF or 2 prior), who then divorced them for whatever reason. What leftovers have they created? Women shouldn't assume things about men they meet, nor vice versa. But such is the nature of baggage and trauma, and why ppl tend to avoid it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:31 AM
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When I married my wife, I was 27 and she 25 (started dating 6 yrs prior). She's as attractive as ever to me now at 52. What a strange question.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:16 AM
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They won't if they're smart. That's why what grandpa said is spot on: "there are good time girls and there are long time girls, and you better learn the difference". If you're foolish enough to marry a good time girl, you get what you deserve. Lol Of course, that kind of wisdom is in short supply these days. But it is poised for a comeback. Just wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 01:56 PM
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That's because far too many men are willing to fuck anyone with a pulse, unfortunately. Including celebs.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 07:32 AM
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Do female celebs have male groupies? Just curious. I've always thought of groupies as females desperate for a whiff of attention lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 07:26 AM
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Yeah whatever, I've got better things to do than argue with stubborn bitterness. Maybe someone else will take you up on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 01:42 PM
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Well, I will beg to differ on that one. Regardless of their intent, results speak otherwise. So many feminists seem to just demonize all men, just as RP'ers seem to always criticize women. Of course I know there are exceptions, my wife is one! She's a blend of modern and tradition, and is just plain awesome which inspires me to be my best. I guess that's why we're still married after almost 30 yrs lol. So far, so good. I view hardcore feminists and red pillers as two sides of the same bitter coi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 12:42 PM
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Yes, I know both feminists and red pillers tend to treat the exception as the rule, as a rule lol. It doesn't mean we should follow their example. I do wish you the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 10:05 AM
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It's weird but sort of funny hearing Western women's take on 'passport bros'. As if they're all the same. I think many equate them to sex tourists, which is incorrect. I'm not sure where such vitriol comes from, but it's not healthy. Women from certain parts of the world still retain traditional values, and prioritize relationships and family very highly. Which is a big part of the draw. Women with traditional values are far more likely to remain loyal and committed. Although my wife is from SE …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 08:14 AM
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The kicker? A high percentage of Women are acting like prostitutes nowadays. Both these groups are fucking perverts, and corroding society. What a shit show.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 02:38 PM
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What adults are taking advantage of kids??? I was referring to more young women acting like whores, which appears to be the case. Foreign men aren't walking around here with their dicks almost hanging out, which is the equivalent. My wife is Indonesian, so I've been to Bali several times before. It's never been this bad as far as inappropriate behavior goes. Any other part of Indonesia, women dressed like that would be arrested and deported. Once young local girls start mimicking the tourists, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 01:24 PM
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We're traveling around Bali, Ubud currently, and it's shocking how many young Western women are walking around in over revealing clothing. Many with butts and boobs almost hanging out of their clothing. Or, tights that leave little to the imagination. Don't believe me, go look for yourself. It's completely disrespectful of local culture and customs. WTF are they thinking I just don't get it. It's like they're thirsting for attention. I really feel bad for the locals. Something has definitely cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 11:48 AM
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Technically, they all "suck" - right? Lol Anyway, one's currency is $ and the other's is validation/sex addiction/etc? I don't see any difference, as they're all for temporary use only. For people who engage in that. The STDs are bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 07:39 AM
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I don't get how those guys can go through women like that, not caring about shit like genital warts and other forms of hpv, hsv that are rampant among the promiscuous. There are many different variants, some very nasty. How can people not give a rip about their personal hygiene and health. It's so much better to have one serious partner you can trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 01:19 PM
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For most people, a muscular arm looks more masculine without a tattoo. Masculinity doesn't need any sort of assistance or adornment. Besides, people with confidence are more likely to ignore than follow stupid fads.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 02:52 AM
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It's crazy that some can't see the difference between voluntary and involuntary attributes. It's like men judging women based on their height or something like eye color. Men absolutely are the romantic gender, because they are the pursuers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:50 PM
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I'm sorry you think that way about men in general. Of course, many men would not engage in casual sex. Just as many women do not. Whether due to beliefs or feelings about sex and intimacy, concerns about personal hygiene and STDs, or just not wanting to share intimate areas with strangers. It's not hypocrisy or insecurity to seek alignment on moral values. In fact, it's critical to any relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:38 PM
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Yes, people make all sorts of judgements based on appearance, at least initial impressions. What else are men and women supposed to do when we do not know someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:18 PM
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They can't see how defeating and self sabotaging that behavior is. You can't use logic on something that is illogical. Thankfully that isn't all women. That behavior will probably continue until the so-called "top men" and the promiscuous women that pursue them are avoided and/or ostracized for being disease super spreaders. Serious STDs like hsv and various hpv strains are already prominent in this group, and spreading. Viruses that are permanent and can reactivate in many people, especially la…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 08:46 AM
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No one wants to marry someone who was a swinger in their former life. Good luck trying to explain away shit like hoe phases, fboys, rotations, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:35 AM
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That's more than typical horniness. Way too weird and desperate. Something isn't right with that one. Obviously a massive turn off. Aging alone is tough. She probably has a deep need for some company and validation, and/or she has a sex addiction. Or, maybe she thinks that is what a younger men wants from an older woman, thus going way overboard with whoever she gets her hands on. The proper response is to run for the hills.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:47 PM
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The "catches feelings" thing is bizarre, since feelings are supposed to be attached to sex. That's the whole point of intimacy. Lack of feelings is a lack of capacity for intimacy, and a huge red flag. Feelings are long gone, or scrambled, for those who have engaged in rotations. They will never be the relationship type. They cannot pair bond and are incapable of establishing a deep connection with any partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:08 PM
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Does she really have to test it? The thought of rubbing privates with people of unknown hygiene is a massive turn-off for many people. Many if not most care about cleanliness especially the intimate areas. Casual sex simply isn't consistent with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:49 AM
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It goes the other way, too. I appreciate my wife of almost 30 yrs so much more, after spending time on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 09:05 AM
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That's what I'm trying to figure out. Why the heck so many of the young men I know are struggling to find someone. These are average guys not some basement dweller. When I was dating (90s) it was very easy to find a GF. I was just a typical guy in college, albeit fairly introverted. I believe women valued a man's potential much higher in those days. I think it comes down to the perceived options that women have nowadays, which makes them more picky and less tolerant of difficulties that are inev…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:35 PM
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Married guy (25+ yrs) checking in. Not sure why I find this forum so fascinating but I do. I suppose it is the vast difference between (happily) married and single life. Also, trying to better understand the current dating and relationship environment to advise my son if needed. So different from when his mom and I were dating!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 09:30 PM
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Exactly, it's in their nature and they are probably not even conscious of it. The pursuer and the pursued are opposites, and that's just the way it is. This is why I advise young men to focus on themselves rather than women in their 20s. No sense in getting jaded about women before you even hit your stride. You risk thinking all women are the same, when there are exceptions out there. Those are the ones you want to identify and pursue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:41 PM
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If you're saying you are pro-vaccine, I am too. My concern is that it gives a false sense of security since it only protects against a small subset of known strains.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 07:29 PM
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The common cold does not require repeated invasive procedures and biopsies from intimate areas. One of my aunts passed from cervical cancer. It was terrible. HPV is a virus with over a hundred strains, ranging from ugly, persistent warts to the risk of precancerous tissue developing, like a ticking time bomb. That's the strains with known long term effects. Therefore, HPV and the common cold are viruses that don't even belong in the same sentence. It's shocking that such a serious virus is so pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 04:39 PM
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Given that there's currently no CDC-approved test for men, I'm assuming that the stats quoted in the study are self reported. Also, the dating landscape has changed massively since 2017 so it would be interesting to see updated estimates. The info graphic does show much higher rates of infection for women than men in the early 20s age group. That would be consistent with common narratives on here and elsewhere. Relatively new HPV strains have unknown long term effects. It's mind boggling that ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 04:12 PM
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A lot of age gap relationships are actually older women with younger men. But most of those aren't really relationships, just young guys settling for the only option available to them. Essentially practice for when they go for the women they really want later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 08:30 PM
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A great many men are late bloomers, especially compared to women. Physically, but also mentally and in terms of emotional maturity. Put simply, the vast majority of men have to make something of themselves in order to gain attention from women. It's just the way of things. Young men who are still developing themselves should know that better days (in dating especially) are ahead of them if they keep working towards their goal. During that time it's best to minimize pursuit of women, in my opinio…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 08:21 PM
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Those supposedly "high value" men on the apps are basically disease super spreaders (hpv). Women who pursue them deserve what they get. Real high value men don't just fuck about endlessly, but seek out high value women for serious relationships and raising a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 04:31 AM
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Well... You did imply he doesn't stand by his values (re: single moms) and that he's a bad lay (compared to hubby). That sorta comes across as sour grapes lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:59 AM
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Sorry but trump and celebrities in general aren't the poster children for "rich people". Lmao Most actual upper class types are in the business of accumulating generational wealth. This means close knit family units and strong moral values. That's simply incompatible with promiscuity and relaxed attitudes towards casual sex. Hence the lower N counts on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:59 PM
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Very true, which is why it follows that upper class people generally have lower counts than lower class people. Not surprising if you think about it. How can people share their most intimate parts with others of completely unknown habits and hygiene, let alone character and morals? That goes against all common sense yet apparently is common these days. Is there any wonder why disease and mental illness are rampant? Something is overriding common sense. My theory is, lots of people have shitty li…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:28 PM
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You can't extend that logic very many layers until you run out of women. Ergo the 80/20 rule, which is more a concept than a numerical calculation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 11:28 PM
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I have recently been thinking about the concept of love, and what it even is. What it means to the genders. I believe, it is more important for men to give love than to receive love, and more important for women to receive love than to give it. I'm certain that the physical act of intercourse affects how we define love. The primary target of a woman's love is of course children [if she has them], which is how nature intended it. [Edited lol.]
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 08:30 PM
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If you think most couples in their 70s and 80s today are only tolerating each other, than you don't understand what real love is. Heck, my wife and I are only in our early 50s but have been together 30 years. As fresh empty nesters, we're closer than ever. Especially romantically, which sounds like your only notion of what love is. Go to any RV and observe all the happy older couples. I hope we continue to follow suit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 08:34 PM
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Spot on. Fwiw, many of those fathers feel similar about dating apps, and casual sex in general. One's daughter racking up intimate partners is similar to sons becoming troublemakers. It instinctively causes stress to think about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 07:49 AM
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Me? I've been married a long time, and was a relationship kind of guy before then. I totally think promiscuity is a problem for men too, but at the end of the day women have to be the judge of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 02:23 AM
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But to assume sleeping around =trust issues , baggage, and trauma means that men will traumatize women. Well of course some men are only too happy to traumatize women to get what they want. That's what I meant by predatory men. Those guys will use whatever tools necessary to sleep around as much as possible, including deception. Why should normal, non-predatory men be responsible for the lying dirtbags that far too many women seem to be attracted to? They're getting shafted by those guys too. Lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:03 AM
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That's not a reflection of all men, and not even most men. Rather, the cross section of men she is choosing. Very often predatory men, especially if on the dating apps. Women choosing to have endless "relations" with multiple men over a real relationship with a man, fail to learn the most basic of relationship skills like communication, compromise and conflict resolution. They do develop trust issues and accumulate baggage and/or trauma. Man hating usually follows. I think all that is compounded…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 10:37 PM
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Lonely men need to learn how to socialize better. Period. What better way than to practice together. It would be great if these guys could somehow match up by interests and meet online. Say in small groups of 3-5. Maybe transition to IRL meetups. I know this type of socialization comes much more naturally to women, but why is it so hard for guys? I'm fairly introverted myself, and some of the most interesting people I've met are folks less social than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 10:25 PM
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Unfortunately, there are far too many men just looking for a warm orifice to help them get off. Basically, nothing more than a masturbation aid. Hard to understand how women can't wrap their heads around this fact. Why do you think those guys skedaddle so fast after the deed is done.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 01:30 AM
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Believe it or not, many men do not want sex with a woman they don't have any feelings for. It could be argued that it's conditioning overcoming nature, but it's true for a significant portion of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 08:17 AM
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Women are doing a terrible job of sexually selecting. At least in the West. At the rate we're going, there will be a massive tidal wave of social change within a generation or two. I wouldn't be surprised if much of humanity will be back to parents matchmaking for their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 12:55 AM
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They are however dopamine addicts if they fornicate for recreation, sharing fluids with strangers of unknown hygiene. Just a different type of addict.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:09 AM
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You can simply replace "slightly addictive nature of gaming and porn hit young men harder than women." "slightly addictive nature of social media hit young women harder than men." Then much of the rest of your post would hold, but flipped between men and women. IMHO we need more attempts at understanding and less finger pointing. Both men and women have their unique issues. The way out of this mess is working together like we were born to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 08:10 PM
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Firstly, I would recommend not F'ing up one's own attraction standards by associating with non-committal men with looks (and/or height) most likely being all that have going for them. Once your attraction standards are FUBAR'd, well then I hope you like cats.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:46 PM
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F.boys are essentially STD super spreaders, and anyone who falls for them deserves the consequences, physical and mental. The trash always takes itself out in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 05:57 PM
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My wife and I met in college 30 years ago, and are still happily married. As are many of our friends. Perhaps it's a generational thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 06:52 AM
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Speaking as someone on the outside (a long married guy), I think it's not so much about romantic relationships being a "privilege not a right". Rather, finding any romantic relationship is looking like an impossibility for a huge number of people. I can't think of a historical precedent for that kind of widespread sentiment. Of course there will be consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 11:23 PM
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Maybe they meant funnier looking?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 08:28 PM
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If you're saying what I think you are, before you reach that point you may as well spend a few months traveling through other parts of the world, especially SE Asia or Latin America. Away from all the toxicity and social cancer, I'm willing to bet even the most jaded might just find some purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 10:08 PM
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I don't know, that's a question for women. But we should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:26 PM
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I think many of them recognize perceived acceptance of promiscuity to be the primary enabler of female hypergamy and casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 11:01 PM
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I'm speaking generally. I think a lot of young men probably are blaming their personal problems on the effects of promiscuity. I would hope they have the sense to not hate on individuals. I personally am indifferent towards promiscuous women, but then I'm long married not dating. I don't respect them since I despise their behavior, and think it's harmful to society.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:52 PM
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There's a massive delta between "distribution of sex" among men nowadays compared to only a couple of decades ago. That might make a lot of guys, having the misfortune of being born into their generation, a little sore. Individually, of course women have the right to live however they want to without obligation. Collectively however, there's a gargantuan problem that society needs to solve, if it cares about its future.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:36 PM
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They aren't individually hated by most reasonable people. Are they disrespected? Most definitely. Collectively, promiscuous women (and men) probably are disliked, if not outright hated, by those who fear the effects of widespread promiscuity and the breakdown of relationships/family, on greater society.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:22 PM
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Men do not hate promiscuous women. Many do fear the consequences of widespread promiscuity and the resulting breakdown of family, on society. In fact some men desire promiscuous women. But only temporarily until they get off. These women are repulsive to men in the relationship sense. Why? It's simple. A woman who has given herself to many different men isn't worth anything. The very definition of low value. I would argue it's the same for promiscuous men, but women have to be the judge of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:01 PM
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Yep, women no longer seem to value potential in a young man. They want it now and are willing to wait at the finish line with many women for the few established winners. So, many young men fail to realize their potential, because as men our primary motivator is purpose. The primary purpose for most men is finding a woman and building a family together with her. If that dream is crushed so is the drive to excel and win, for many. In short, Western society is screwed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 09:02 PM
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Wow, I suppose a chunk of my marriage has been DB by that standard lol. We had periods where we had a lot going on, career wise as well as family stuff, when we were younger and we were simply exhausted much of the time. But, we made sure to connect daily, usually talking while embracing each other until we fell asleep. That form of intimacy is as powerful as actual sex. Nowadays we're back up to 1-2x per week, since it's just the 2 of us at home living way more relaxed lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 10:13 PM
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Agreed. For us, and probably many others, sex loses significance over time. It's still wonderful of course, but sort of the "cherry on top" of our relationship. Other forms of intimacy become more prominent. Like for us our nightly embrace, talking softly before falling asleep. It doesn't get better than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 08:30 PM
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-- 53m and 51f -- 32 years together (married 26) -- 1-2x per week. Been ramping it up again since we became empty nesters -- Can't recall since we were busy college students, but probably as high as daily at times -- 1 child in college -- I initiate 95%+ of the time Absolutely no regrets. We started from basically nothing and built ourselves up together. I'm a late bloomer, so I am very fortunate that she saw my potential. We lived frugally relative to our combined incomes, aside from world trav…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 08:17 PM
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Incorrect, in my opinion. Men tend to pine about the one that got away in the relationship sense. Like that first love that we dated and fantasized about, then were heartbroken when it ended. Having been suckered into being nice/good guys and romantic. To be honest, the quality of sex mattered little looking back at various Exes. Men typically direct how the sex goes, and honestly as long as she's into it, it's not much different from woman to woman, . As I understand it, women get alpha widowed…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 06:43 AM
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You don't care about the world your kids will inhabit, and their kids, etc? Well I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 05:38 PM
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40+ women do have sexual value, for young men desperate for any female attention. I think a huge age diff is disgusting, but those guys would literally F anything. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 03:13 AM
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On the one hand, I think it's pretty shit that some men do this shotgun approach. Like you said it cheapens male attention. It also inflates female egos. On the other hand, what are these men supposed to do? I can't say I wouldn't do the same if I was a young man with very few options. OLD is basically crickets for these guys, and approaching women IRL can be considered creepy. Even while doing hobbies and activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 02:45 AM
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There's a difference between talking about personal problems, and "anything deeper". Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. I do enjoy talking about deep topics and concepts. My son and I can do that for hours on end. However, there's a limit when it comes to discussing my personal issues with my wife, who I've been with 25+ years. I simply do not like to cause her anxiety. Luckily, problems are rare aside from the occasional workplace issues and stressors. But like I said, vigorous exe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 02:19 AM
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Let's be real, men complaining about their problems is a major turn off for most women regardless of what they say. Hence, men tend to bottle things up and deal in silence. What men need are confidants to vent to when necessary, whether trusted male friends, or male and female family members. Even better, engage in regular, vigorous physical exercise. My personal choice is cycling... better than any therapist!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:23 PM
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Chad doesn't date. U up?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:11 PM
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*Most men. When speaking in generalities we are talking as a rule, not the exception. But carry on with the accusations of insecurity and hypocrisy if that makes you feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 01:29 AM
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It's "ho" and we're not in middle school sex ed. You don't have to come up with stories to scare people into abstinence. Men do not want women who have had a whore phase. Sure some will objectify them whenever it's offered up, but most wouldn't want those tarnished by promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 05:00 PM
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There's a wee bit of difference between "not saving ones self for marriage" and changing up sex partners monthly, or even weekly. Any woman on the apps (in populated areas) can do just that, and many do. Many women who have been promiscuous at any time in their past are a ticking bomb in any relationship. Not just the baggage, but once sex becomes recreational or business, it cannot be reverted back to intimacy. The risk of a future dead bedroom goes way up. I like that the RP teaches men this, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 12:51 AM
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That entire post was sad, on both sides. What a life, for people that actually live that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:18 PM
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You can play the game with the pieces laid out in front of you, or you can choose a different game. Ie. consider someone from overseas who grew up with a modicum of healthy family and peer pressures. I found someone like that. As did a brother, and several of my friends. All happily married for a long period of time. Not saying that's a panacea, but your chances will probably be higher. It's an option for those who can or want to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 11:42 PM
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So you are saying, fuck around until you find the one? Ugh Editing to add: Unless I completely misunderstood your post, that's terrible advice. If you're legit looking for a relationship (not 'situationship' or some shit), you shouldn't be fucking around, period. Even if you could. Firstly, because that will take you far away from a relationship mindset and increasing your count (hint: that's bad for men too). It's crude, but a valid metric. Second, you're very unlikely to run into a relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 11:12 PM
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Yes, it is hypocritical to sleep around yet expect monogamy. I believe the deepest bond and closest emotional connection possible is an exclusive relationship between a low or no count woman and a low count man. Besides - if you truly love your girl, then you shouldn't hurt her by cheating on her. Even if you can and she would still stay with you. That isn't honorable. If you don't love your girl, then why are you with her?
/r/TheRedPill15/08/23 06:07 AM
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Refuting the belief that promiscuous women are not able to pair bond...huh? When did I say that? I definitely can be cringe, according to my kids. Lol I absolutely believe that promiscuity harms both men and women's ability to pair bond and form a close emotional connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 02:37 AM
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If I wasn't already long married, all other things equal, I would absolutely choose a 30+ virgin over a 30+ high count woman. Could she be low libido or even asexual? Maybe. It's a risk. But that's way better than the baggage, bitterness and likely dead bedroom and/or infidelity that often comes with an overly promiscuous woman. How can they be content when they feel they're settling. The more of a past, the more likely that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 02:24 AM
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I think the guys who want casual sex, yet expect chastity in return, are huge hypocrites not to mention scumbags. From my male perspective that is a small minority of men, despite the bluster from various spheres of influence on the internet. The vast majority of men would rather settle down, than sleep around. Period. If that has changed then we truly are in trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:55 AM
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Unless times have changed, most men do view sex as special. This used to be especially true for low count men back in the day (or at least the early 90s, for me). They weren't looking to bang random chicks, except maybe to lose their V card, but moreso looking for a serious GF. Are you telling me that all those undesirable men out there (the majority) wish they could be chad and use random women, rather being with the right woman? I'm not so sure about that. It goes against man's natural instinc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:41 AM
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Well summarized. I would add that a high count is terrible for men too, as it messes with the ability to bond and feel closer to a woman. Sex is obviously no longer special and intimate once it has become recreational. Most men want to feel an emotional connection, more than just a simple bodily release. Promiscuity blunts then destroys that ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:19 AM
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I think the guys cringing at the thought of dating high count women are interested in actual relationships, rather than in meaningless casual sex. Most men who are inflating counts see sex as purely recreational, like high count women themselves do. Of course they wouldn't care at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 12:53 AM
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Ok - I'm no fan of religion, but being duped into believing that the time of year you were born is somehow correlated to character traits? That's a whole nother level of bonkers. Like orders of magnitude more idiotic, like believing in the Easter Bunny.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 12:59 AM
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Jesus that is bonkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 05:06 PM
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Yeah there's a lot of magical thinking in mormonism yet I've met some brilliant engineers who are pious mormons. Like, how?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:51 PM
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I don't think it's a particularly healthy or honorable thing to do, but if that's the best or easiest way to access women, I get why some men do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:26 PM
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Hey, 100% agree that jaded is better than naive. My point was to not be so jaded that one doesn't realize that there are still good ones out there. Traditional minded women worth investing in. Especially overseas in SE Asia or Latin America, if one has the means. In those places there's often (still) family and peer pressures on women to have morals and to be feminine.
/r/TheRedPill07/08/23 10:02 PM
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IMO this jaded viewpoint is the main reason men shouldn't fuck around too much. Past some n count threshold, will begin to look at all women as objects and it will become difficult to have feelings and respect for them. Good luck after that trying to commit and form a bond even if you do luck out and find a virtuous woman that isn't a hoe.
/r/TheRedPill07/08/23 04:41 PM
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The majority of men would not leer at girls like that. Get real.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:01 AM
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And, men are raised being gaslit with this bullshit. And, you end up with a generation of adult men who sometimes figure it out and then are mad as hell. I think this is one of the things that upsets me the most. Movies and culture always taught boys to be the 'nice guy' to women. I lost my first two GFs relatively quickly, because I was clueless as to what most women really wanted. I say most women because my wife was next and valued what I brought to the table. We grew and worked together esta…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:04 AM
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Single moms aren't looking for love, they're looking for help.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/07/23 12:59 AM
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Is that dating with intent, aka a relationship and building something together with someone else, or casually dating for fun? There's a wee bit of difference there lol. For anything serious, it's far less risk to choose someone more of a clean slate. All else equal that means younger. Before woman has been played too many times and hardened her heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 10:55 PM
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Of course! Men in their 20s are mostly if not completely 'potential' at that point, which simply isn't attractive to young women anymore. So it makes competing with older men who are inherently more established and confident (= attractive to women) tough if not impossible. The young men who don't give up hope but rather invest in themselves during their 20s, become those confident men later on. This actually represents a massive social crisis. A big part of the appeal of marriage for men is buil…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 10:25 PM
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That sounds like jest, but I think exactly that may be coming to the West. If enough men collectively feel ignored and left out, a swing to hardcore religion may be in the cards. This kind of social change happens slowly, then all of a sudden. For the "good of society" or some other BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 05:59 PM
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False. If you get a traditional woman who is very close to her family, the pressure will be very strong to remain faithful. My wife is from SE Asia, although her and I met in college here in the states. However, many of her friends came here after marrying an American, essentially passport bros before there was such a term. They're still much more traditional than modern even after a decade or two living here. All of them seem happily married from what I can tell. Moral of the story is, the peer…
/r/TheRedPill11/07/23 06:40 PM
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This is probably entirely fiction, or quite embellished at a minimum. There are truths in what he wrote, although I believe the less secure "average looking" promiscuous women would have the highest counts because they need more validation. I am long married (25 years) and I get a ton of looks from other women since I got back into top shape. I'm not super jacked, but more of an athletic leanness, vascularity since I do more cardio than weight lifting. If I didn't value my marriage it would be s…
/r/TheRedPill11/07/23 06:25 PM
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That's sad, if that's how OLD dating really is. I guess what I've heard from my single friends is true: these days women are more interested in hooking up than settling down.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 05:39 PM
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Maybe men have come to the conclusion that most women would rather hook up than settle down. So they're only liking them in that way. Or going overseas to find morals and values. Or saying f it and writing them off altogether. Us long married guys are appreciating our wives more than ever. No desire to join that clusterf*ck.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 05:04 AM
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Money certainly helps, but cannot replace the best things to be had in life. I wish this woman the best as she approaches her 50s and beyond. That's when people generally become aware of mortality and how finite life really is, and spend more time thinking and reflecting on the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 04:47 PM
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When I first heard of "love languages" I thought it sounded like gimmicky rubbish. But, after 25 years married to my wife (30 total), who has very different preferred ways of expressing affection, I believe there's a lot of truth behind the concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 03:55 AM
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There's been basically no evidence published to date to support the idea that people generally prefer to express and receive love in one of these five ways, or exploring how these love languages influence relationships and some to the opposite. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pere.12182 Shows that love language compatibility shows no increased relationship satisfaction in those couples. FWIW, from my own experience, I think it's healthier in the long run to have different rather than…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 03:36 AM
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The "love languages" sound gimmicky, but there's truth behind the theory. My wife and I married in our 20s, well before I ever heard of the concept. Because she often seemed "cold" I wondered if she really loved me. It made me feel like we weren't clicking/vibing, and we had our share of difficulties. Like many if not most men, my primary ways of expressing affection are physical touch and verbal. I have always initiated intimacy with my wife. In fact, she has only ever said "I love you" in resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 03:13 AM
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The best things in life are even better when shared with a special person or partner. That's priceless.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 12:52 AM
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I'm no expert on RP, but I think their main point about 'alpha widows' is that the more past lovers a woman has, the more likely she is to have that Special Ex she cannot get over. It would most likely be an impressive man, or what they perceive as 'alpha'. Much of their terminology is juvenile and stupid. Wtf is alpha anyway. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 01:27 AM
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Not everyone acquires baggage as they get older, though. Many are content in healthy long term relationships. Obviously that wouldn't include alpha widows or anyone else not over someone from their past.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 10:58 PM
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That's because the one leaving such an impression is usually "alpha" but not always. What's required is that their was a strong bond, at least from her side.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 08:47 PM
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I'm responding to disagree with those who say family members and friends are functionally equivalent to the role of a romantic partner. I'll concede that "partner" is a spectrum, and my perspective is at the spouse end. I never said that sexlessness was equivalent to loneliness. There's so much more to a (healthy) romantic relationship than sex. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 07:37 AM
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A relationship partner should not be responsible for "curing" depression. I never suggested that. It's up to the individual to take charge of their own health, mental and physical. However, I fail to see how someone can be lonely when they're seeing and interacting with their partner very often. Especially if they live together or are married.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 07:15 AM
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Claims? I know very well what I like about my wife. Lol If I said a romantic partner is the only cure for loneliness, I misspoke. However, I strongly believe it is the best cure, and the easiest and most reliable (with the right person). It blows my mind that people even argue this. I guess dating and relationships in the West truly are fubar'd. Very sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:43 AM
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Of course I have "true" friendships. However, I don't live with them nor share (many) experiences and memories with them. They aren't typically a factor in my achievements. I don't love them (in that way) or embrace them at night. They aren't my partner. However, my wife is my partner and all of those things, and much more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:22 AM
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Who is talking about sex here? Intimacy is a major part of romantic closeness and connection, but sex is just a part of intimacy. Sex alone can't be the cure for loneliness. But,(healthy) relationships can be. What makes me feel incredibly close to my wife? Well, she happens to share all of my greatest experiences, memories and achievements. In fact, I consider all those things as "ours". She's someone I can count on, my confidante. She's the person I'm in love with and who I get to embrace ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:14 AM
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People claim otherwise because they don't want to admit the truth. Or, apparently they haven't experienced a healthy romantic connection before.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:59 AM
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If you think even the closest friendships are remotely similar to the depth of connection in a healthy relationship with a romantic partner, you haven't experienced the latter. It's not about the duration, although the connection with a romantic partner generally deepens with time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:54 AM
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The OP was inferring a normal, healthy relationship when talking about solutions for loneliness. Duh The fact that some people remain in bad relationships doesn't invalidate his point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:48 AM
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I agree with the statements regarding parents and other family being close. However, even the closest familial bonds pale in comparison to the depth of connection with an LTR romantic partner. Roommates? Ummm no. Lol How is this news to some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:41 AM
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You really think that of average men. Do you realize how biter and jaded that sounds. Spoiler: no, most men wouldn't be players even if they could be. Men like to build things, and that includes a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 01:28 AM
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Great comment. Women effectively control the dating market. Men know what women want more women do, and they adapt accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 01:18 AM
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I married in my 20s...together now for 30 years, 25 of those married. Sure we've had our ups and downs but who said it was supposed to be easy. I'm so thankful we persevered through it all. Nearly all of my greatest experiences, memories, and achievements have been with my awesome wife at my side. That makes everything so much better. I wouldn't change anything. As empty nesters now, we're having a sort of second honeymoon. It's a wonderful thing to get to embrace my woman every night. Someone w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 08:43 PM
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Makeup?! Putting on a mask is 100% done to boost their own ego. They end up looking homogeneous, like fake clones of each other. I'm so glad my wife only rarely wears that crap. Natural is best!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 06:21 PM
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Edit to clarify: your typical promiscuous woman is an example of a traumatized woman. Chasing what you cannot have, and lying to yourself that it isn't casual sex, really seems to f them in the head.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 12:20 AM
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Chiseled and vascular is pretty much standard year round for endurance athletes, depending on the sport and level of competition. Especially if those athletes are naturally muscular and/or also lift weights. I believe it's the strength athletes who get jacked who have to cycle the leanness depending on their goals. But they lose muscle as well as fat getting extremely lean. So, attaining that state is rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 12:08 AM
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Jesus what a mess.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 02:34 PM
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FWB is no friendship, it's using each other for sex. Situationship is a better word for it IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 02:29 PM
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Again, men and women are different. For the vast majority of men, access to sex is scarce. But it is abundant for just about any women. Hence, it's natural that we attach different value to it. Sex and intimacy are a special thing for (most) men, and also to women who reserve themselves for commitment. Men are the romantic gender. It's why we're capable of greatness to impress the right girl. There are always exceptions to the rule. I wish you the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:05 PM
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You're looking through the lens of being a woman. We view it differently. Sex is sex for us, there aren't different flavors (eg ONS vs whatever). I'm sorry, it's just the way it is. That's why throughout history women exchange sex for commitment, and men exchange commitment for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:35 PM
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Exactly. It's guaranteed her past is a significant issue for him, whether he voices it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:28 PM
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Whether he states it or not a woman having a past, aka high bodycount, is a major "ick" for men. Just thinking about his woman having been there, done that already with so many random dudes destroys attraction. Thus, men stuck like that will likely have intimacy issues with their partner. Many end up heavy pr0n users, or resort to cheating to get their rocks off.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:20 PM
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Men an women "aging badly" is completely optional. Take care of your body and it won't let you down. I feel and look as good as ever at 53 because of healthy eating and high fitness from cardio (cycling). Anyone can do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:13 PM
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Have tried mixing up the traits you prioritize in men? Many ppl weigh superficial things like height and looks far too highly. If looking at younger 20-something men, it's more important to measure potential rather than current status. Many young guys with potential are hungry to build a family, together with a good woman. Commitment is the only way to do that and is tremendously motivating for them. Expecting to get a man who has already crossed the proverbial finish line (achieved status), wel…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 01:00 AM
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Dating is the prelude to relationships? Uhhh not anymore, just look at the outcomes. There are even new words in regards to dating, in this abomination of a dating market. Like "situationships", "rotations" and other perverted shit. Comes off as a swinging lifestyle. Ick People need to quit lying to themselves, and also quit being blinded by libido and falling for others' lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 09:37 PM
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Because obviously, their strategy isn't working. For the record, I think the chads and players, who look at dating as a sport, are douchebag liers. More boys than men. But, it's the women who are doing the choosing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 09:31 PM
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This is a point I've made on here before. Many women are lying to themselves that they aren't having casual sex, when that's exactly what they're doing. The intent doesn't matter, it's about the outcome: meaningless sex without commitment There was a time not long ago when this was common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 09:24 PM
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Thankfully, there are other dating markets. But you need to figure out how to secure the means to travel. Obviously, this means working on self development unless you're from affluence. Nothing worth having should be easy. Women should understand this. Men looking to commit and invest in a partner are NOT attracted to women whose track record is lots of time spent single and seeking the company of many different men. It gives them the ick. It's one of the reasons many men go for younger women, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 09:10 PM
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I'll have to read the full article later when I have time. But, a few points: 1) True, it specifies from age 18, but most would definitely not identify as virgins if they had sex in high school. If anything, men tend to embellish their experience to appear more "manly". 2) The (for lack of better words) "male virginity" chart shows a clear divergence from the mean since 2008. We can agree that OLD has only gained dominance since then, and thus is positively correlated to the chart. 3) This trend…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 07:25 PM
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That's most men, not just on here. It's a consequence of the 80/20 rule, and most women are bitter about the difficulty in attaining commitment. The dating apps are a brazen assault on dating, relationships and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:01 PM
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I've loved women who had been with 5 guys, and I've loved women who had been with 500. That's nice. But love != commitment, though. I refuse to play around with virgins though! Well I married one and she's amazing. A great wife and mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 05:35 PM
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Well said. Sex and commitment are completely different things to men and women simply do not understand this. Or, they feign ignorance to be the nymphos they always secretly wanted to be. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 05:25 PM
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You sound like the type who doesn't commit but, if you are, what type of woman would you seek in terms of N count.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 05:16 PM
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Who the hell wants to marry someone that is so burned out on sex with randoms that it's no longer special or important to them? Only desperate guys lol. Not to mention, if sex isn't special it is far easier to step out on their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 05:07 PM
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Many high-N women are simply accustomed to variety and will get bored with just one guy, no matter how good he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 04:25 PM
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Believe it or not, morals have not completely gone by the wayside in modern culture. Sleeping around with different people, aka 'enjoying hookups', has always been considered immoral in most if not all cultures. It's a free society, people can be nymphomaniacs, fuckboys, swingers or whatever sex addict if they so desire. But, they should be honest about their past if they ever do want to settle down one day. Morals and perversion are still a major deal for many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 09:02 PM
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Actually, many men that do one night stands, DO regret them later on. It de-values intimacy and sex, permanently. You cannot undo what's been done. Well, barring amnesia I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 08:43 PM
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That's a bit of a crude post. They obviously love one night stands on some level, which is why they do it. Or, their lives are lacking in other areas so they need the dopamine hits. It's a free society, people can be nymphos, fuckboys, swingers or any type of sex addict if they so choose. However, they shouldn't be deceptive about their past if they ever do want to settle down someday. Loose morals and perversion are a no-go for a great many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 08:19 PM
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The people you're meant to be with and go through life with are the people who you choose to be with in the absence of any feeling one way or the other. Very much agree with that. My wife and I started off as study partners, in physics class of all places. I'd describe our relationship as a 'slow burn' in the beginning, but we grew very close over time and then built a family together. 30 years later as empty nesters we are enjoying a sort of second honeymoon period. I think prioritizing physica…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 08:44 PM
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Connecting douchebag players with average women has never been easier. Have fun, ladies.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 08:23 PM
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Can confirm, as someone who used to be a heavily muscled lifter but is now lean and vascular as an aerobic athlete 20 kg lighter. It's definitely other men who tend to notice a 'jacked' physique, and women tend to notice the lean, 'athletic' body type more.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 08:28 PM
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You're doing it all wrong. You should be on the endless self improvement treadmill for you and yourself alone. Result will follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:06 AM
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Yeah. It looks like modern (online) dating is like fishing, in many mens' eyes. The more times you cast your line, the more fish you reel in. The end result of that on a large scale is the clusterf*ck that is dating today. Women would do well to realize it's a numbers game to men, and that they aren't anything special. Men would do well to quit being idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 01:50 AM
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My wife almost never wears makeup, and she does just fine professionally. I doubt it's a necessity.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:31 AM
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Maybe the women are telling themselves that it wasn't casual sex, because they were in pursuit of a relationship. The boys were more honest with themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 01:49 AM
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I wonder if young men and women are defining 'casual sex' the same, in their minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 01:46 AM
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Promiscuity has always been considered a big deal, traditionally. As in a huge negative. It's coming back around to that as society realizes the damage done by dating apps and casual sex. So many people are now completely incapable of sustaining any sort of relationship. It's a major problem. Historically, sl*t shaming has been done by women to protect other women. It's been certain types of men, say like a 'chad in training', who want to keep women easy so they get their turn. Pretty damn selfi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 06:01 AM
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There's no benefit at all in choosing a promiscuous woman, except maybe for those men seeking a casual fling or a prostitute. For men seeking a relationship, women who are sex experts (sexperts?) are a libido killer. There's nothing enticing or appealing about them. Zero, zilch, nada. I mean, she's been there done that, and basically seen and done it all. Loveless sex is worse than worthless. It's a major negative, since intimacy and sex are clearly no longer special for promiscuous women (and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 05:44 AM
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It says a lot about her values though, and men that are relationship oriented have a right to know if there's a significant mismatch in values. Besides, there's nothing enticing or interesting about a woman who's done it all and seen it all already. Promiscuous women and men really should stick together and just do their thing. Of course promiscuous women think about their Ex(es). That's not 'anxiety thinking' or 'insecurity', or whatever else you want to call it. It's just a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 05:13 AM
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Some women go for abusive, badboy types. They typically have some pretty severe issues and character flaws that make them attracted to toxicity in the first place. They're doing you a big favor in ignoring you. Last thing you want to do is pretend to be something you're not in order to get attention. Stay true to your ideals, and away from them. There are still plenty of good women available, especially if you also consider other parts of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 06:32 PM
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As with any grouping of people, it looks like "passport bros" are a spectrum. While I wouldn't take urbandictionary as gospel, I'm sure many do want someone they believe that they can control. I'd say, they are the exception not the rule. All the passport bros I know aren't even aware of the term. They're simply nerdy young professionals that want to try a Plan B before giving up on dating. For now. Bashing on passport bros will just raise awareness, and produce more passport bros. So many men d…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 10:41 PM
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You must know different "passport bros" than I do. I have never heard such ridiculous sentiment, let alone statements, about foreign women. I will say, if any are deluded enough to believe such things, they will be in for a rude awakening lol. More traditional, foreign-born women are far from pushovers in my experience. Many men who look for love overseas are simply tired of the superficiality and formulaic nature of modern dating on the apps. Rather than dealing with attitude and baggage from t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:58 PM
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I'm not a passport bro, but I have traveled overseas extensively (with my family). It's pretty judgemental to label all passport bros as "lacking substance and personal growth". That's an ignorant and pretentious statement. Perhaps for some of them, the whole point is to avoid the entitled attitudes of many Western women. I've seen several people with failed marriages (to Western women) remarry someone from overseas. With much better results!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:18 PM
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Bottom of the barrel to you maybe, but apparently not everyone. Pretentious much? Good grief.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:08 PM
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I do not blame "average men" for looking overseas for love when they're effectively invisible on dating apps. That's the primary way to pursue romance now in the West, which has of course completely warped how people match up with each other. They might as well go to where they will be noticed and appreciated. I highly doubt "showing those skanks" factors into it at all. That sounds like projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 08:58 PM
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Apparently you can't tell the difference between the demands of different sports. I was a strength athlete before, but now an endurance athlete. Endurance athletes are far more fit than strength athletes, simple as that. But you can think what you will, it's cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 09:53 AM
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Sadly, I think you're right. Given the extreme debt problems world wide, at all levels: personal, corporate and sovereign, things are looking very bleak indeed. I'm afraid assisted suic*de will be a booming business down the road. Our furry friends can only offer a bit of companionship before their short lives end, blunting the loneliness somewhat. We need to do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 08:11 AM
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I don't think you realize how difficult it is for 'ugly' men to get any attention from women. They're beyond foolish if they attempt to play stupid games. Perhaps we have a different definition of the word ugly. Anyway, I'm sorry you're so bitter when it comes to men. Men and women belong together so this type of gender-based distrust and animosity won't end well if your sentiment is at all prevalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 01:40 AM
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BS. A great many men are only looking for commitment. Most of them find women looking for the same and voilà they're off the dating market. You're probably used to seeing the men (actually, immature boys) who pretend to want commitment in order to get laid. The other leftovers who do want commitment are not up to your par in looks, and thus off the radar. The longer you wait, the slimmer the pickings. Simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 12:25 AM
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Yeah, it may not as easy or affordable as it used to be. My wife is originally from SE Asia (met in college) so we went to Asia every year typically spending a week in her home country and a week elsewhere. Aside from that, we would alternate trips to Europe with tropical vacations, usually the Caribbean, every year. Also occasional domestic (US) trips. Dual engineering income, avoiding consumer debt and living frugally aside from big trips helped. Perhaps I'm biased, but traveling and experienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 06:24 PM
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We traveled all through our 30s and 40s with our son, and it was amazing. Those experiences really were a positive for him, and I believe contributed to his current success. You do have a point though, because the kid(s) will be your focus and priority, which makes the travel a little different. I will say, having raised your kid(s) already once you reach the 50s is incredibly fulfilling. Assuming they're doing reasonably well, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 04:53 PM
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Exactly. If you stop at 1 child like we did (for a variety of reasons) you can still do nearly all of the things you can do without kids. We've always been big into world travel, and he went everywhere with us. Being involved in his sport (swimming) also became a hobby for my wife. Note: not helicopter parents, although we saw plenty of those lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 04:42 PM
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The flip side to that is the sooner you have kids, the sooner your life becomes "about you" once again. My wife and I had our kid in our late 20s and are now empty nesters. As we're refocusing on each other and doing a lot of fun stuff like travel and going out more, it's sort of like a 2nd honeymoon period. Our friends with kids still at home are definitely envious. Just presenting the other side to that argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 04:32 PM
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Apt username. I didn't say I was performing at a higher level than I was then. But more fit now as a competitive cyclist, in terms of metrics such as bodyfat level, resting HR, threshold power and general endurance. Point is, we can hold onto exceptional fitness for a very long time if we train hard, eat well and take care of our health.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 05:48 AM
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He sounds very, very far from perfect to me. But then, I'm not a woman, nor attracted to men. Women have their reasons for being so attracted to a guy like that. I'm very driven, not just professionally and financially, but in athletics and my hobbies as well. Plus, I'm thankfully introverted. I could never just drift along like that, women or no women. It sounds like he and his GF complement each well. I hope it works out for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 03:20 AM
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I'm in better shape at 53 than at 23, and I was a collegiate athlete. Take care of your body and it won't let you down... for a very long time, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 03:03 AM
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I think it's a man's natural confidence that usually increases with age, as you figure out what life is about and establish yourself professionally and financially. That alone translates to a higher SMV. Obviously, don't let yourself go too much physically and you're golden.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 03:00 AM
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Again, that's clearly a small group of men as well as a subset of women who apparently respond to them. I'm not assigning fault, nor justifying anything, I think it's immature behavior from both sides. If upset enough to make sweeping generalizations of an entire gender, a timeout from dating sounds warranted. But that's just me. Surely you don't think the important men in your life behave that way, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 04:01 PM
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Please stop pretending as if all men act this way when in reality it's a small percentage, usually on the stupid dating apps, who do this. Besides, that type of woman actually likes being "lead on" because they crave attention. Consequently, they are more likely to succumb to flattery or seduction. You absolutely do not want a weak partner like that. Quality women are resistant to cheap seduction tactics and those are the ones worth pursuing for a healthy LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:25 AM
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It's simply supply and demand in a highly commodified dating marketplace. This is what happens when humans use a stupid application to seek other humans as if they're ordering some product, or food. Men "above your league" will also be above that of many other women. What did you think would happen? Those shitty guys can only "use you" because so many of you are apparently willing to be used.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:00 AM
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Yes, women who succumb to seduction so easily are trash, and to be avoided. To state the obvious lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 11:09 PM
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Most of those women who cheat on their partners so readily were promiscuous in the past. Hence why the past is so important. Those "chads" are literal pieces of shit, but the women are doing the choosing here. Be wary of perversion, past or present.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 10:29 PM
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I love my female partner very much. We've been together 30 years (married for 25) having started off as study partners and then college sweethearts. I'm so glad I listened to my gut that she is the one. What we've built together as a team has surpassed all my expectations. We've had our moments for sure, but we battled through. Now as fresh empty nesters re-focusing on each other, life couldn't be better. It's an amazing feeling to fall asleep and wake up embracing someone who is both best frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 06:46 PM
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I personally have never used a woman for sex and never will, but it seems too many women assume all men are this way. This is no doubt due to the popularity of dating apps, and accompanying mutual objectification. Treating sex as recreation or a "handshake" is highly immoral by my values, hence I would never use those apps nor date anyone who has used them. Thankfully, I'm in a healthy LTR with someone with identical moral values. Western society is dealing with an epidemic of promiscuity and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 05:34 PM
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Chasing women is a complete waste of time. A literal drain of energy and resources. Establish what you want to do with your life first and get to work on it. Once you're well on your way they will sense it and come to you, in one form or another. Then be choosy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 06:30 PM
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I concur with some points, and agree that we're well past the tipping point towards something frightening and terrible... economically, politically, culturally, socially, pretty much everything. Probably when the bond market breaks, which dwarfs the stock market. The East is poised to emerge from the collapse in the driver's seat. I'm not sure about the hormonal stuff and stats, but there's probably something to that whether cause or symptom. However, standards definitely have tightened if you b…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 06:34 AM
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If more women are choosing to be single than men, it is because it's easier. Let's admit the obvious: any woman can get attention on demand. Shit quality attention usually, but that's better than no attention at all. I doubt many women can fathom the soul crushing loneliness that so many men are enduring today. Growing up, the dream of making something of myself and then building a family of my own was a primary motivator. Simply because I'm from another generation (genX) it was way more obtaina…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:53 AM
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No one should be with anyone they don't want to be with. Problem is, when standards tighten and that happens on a large enough scale, a huge percentage of the population is left out. Effectively useless and invisible, often having no human contact at all. That is when societal breakdown and change happens, and not for the better I'm sure we would all agree. Unfortunately, the West especially seems to be accelerating in that direction, with no obvious solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:19 AM
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Alpha widowing definitely is a thing, especially since dating apps started matching up average women with player/chad/badboy "alpha" types on a massive scale. So, while these females on dating apps are basically one step above jerking off to the chads they chase, they in return get alpha widowed, or ruined for romantic relationships. For a very long time if not permanently. It's a heavy price, but their own fault for conflating sexual attention with true romantic interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:47 PM
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One solution: Passport YW
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:42 AM
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Honestly, I wish women would STFU about the ince1s. They cannot remotely relate to the challenges those guys face. Do you realize how difficult it is to excel enough to be noticed, when you've been dealt a lousy hand in life (ugly, short, poor, born to single mom, etc)? Women seem to get endless attention just for being women. I feel for these guys that everyone likes to shit on. I can understand why so many retreat into their video game worlds. I don't condone it but I get it, and would rather …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:50 AM
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Tattoos have traditionally been associated with impulsive behavior and the lower economic classes. Or certain groups like soldiers, sailors and criminals. Assuming tattoos aren't just a fad right now, sentiment will take time to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 04:42 AM
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Please don't give up yet, as I'm sure there's someone out there who is a good match. One thing I would suggest is to let a trusted male family member meet men who are interested in you and say they want to take things further. Unfortunately, it seems that is a manipulation tactic many of these guys use. If they decline or give excuses, you have your answer. Men are usually pretty good at sniffing out the BS from other men. Our son is far too busy right now for girls, being a Physics major and an…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:14 AM
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I've been married for 25 years. Have we had our issues? Hell yes we have. I've made my share of mistakes, including a couple major ones. But, we worked through everything rather than throwing in the towel. In hindsight, I'm so grateful for that as my wife and I are closer than ever now that we're fresh empty nesters (son in college). It sounds cheesy, but it almost feels like we are entering a sort of second honeymoon phase now that we're very well off financially, and can focus more on each oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 01:55 AM
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You must be referring to certain, well known individuals in the "RP space" . I disagree vehemently with them. These are supposedly high status men who want their cake (a harem) and eat it to (have a committed wife at home). Dirtbags like these are the ones enabling and perpetuating hookup culture. Thankfully they are a very small minority of men. Anyone who claims to love his wife yet cheats on her, is lying and doesn't really. How could you deeply hurt the one you love, so callously? That, or t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 12:21 AM
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Did you read the other part of that sentence, about sex being the glue that holds relationships together? That implies, or rather requires, regular sex with a committed partner to maintain a strong, emotional pair bond. That's the crux of it. Within a committed relationship sex isn't recreation, but far more than that. I believe it's the physical, emotional and even something deeper (spiritual?) manifestation of love and commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 11:33 PM
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Or, they can find some way to pay off debt like men must do. At the end of the day, exploiting their own bodies for money is a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 08:33 PM
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Uh... actually, it's men who only have female friends = gay
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:59 AM
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A rich slut is still a slut, so no thanks. Jokes notwithstanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:01 AM
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I've been married 25 years to my wife, and we dated 5 years before tying the knot. We met through mutual friends back in college and actually started off as study partners. I was coming off a breakup so we started things slowly, with attraction and feelings building over time. We've certainly had our moments, but I would definitely call our LTR a success. We're closer than ever now as fresh empty nesters at ages 52 and 50. There's nothing quite like having a special person you love with so much …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:50 AM
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Don't be silly. Of course it's discussed IRL but not out in the open. Like most subjects related to sex, it can be awkward and embarrassing. When it comes to sex, different men are looking for different things, and thus have different views on female promiscuity. This is where the cognitive disconnect comes in for women: Men just cruising for sex are perfectly fine with high n women. Hell, they may even prefer it since she's probably more freaky and is used to being pumped and dumped. A hole is …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 03:38 AM
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Someone who has slept around a lot sees sex as sport or recreation rather than procreation, and the adhesive that binds a relationship together. Thus, they are more likely to cheat. This applies to both men and women. A high n count is a major risk factor going into marriage. Especially as a man with so much to lose in divorce, or worst case paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 03:03 AM
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This is true, which is why it's important not to over emphasize sex. There is so much more to life and relationships. Going the route of quality family man is so much better than that of the bad boy or player, long term. Nothing is more fulfilling than having a loving, well adjusted family.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 10:02 PM
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It's quite simple really. A woman with a high count has learned to divorce feelings from physical intimacy. This is something completely unnatural and probably irreversible. Emotional intimacy is a key component of pair bonding and maintaining relationships. Letting your guard down and being vulnerable with your partner is a feature not a bug, when it comes to relationships. These women will also likely have that special Ex they will never get over from early on when sex was still emotional and …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 08:48 PM
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Sounds like he had great genetics, especially if he played college ball (any sport) which is elite level. D1 anyway. He probably is a "natural" which is very rare. I'm a competitive cyclist and you definitely know who the naturals are...the bastards lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 12:00 AM
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Yeah, if they are big AND ripped, I think it's most likely true that they would be on something. I think even most gym bro types would admit this. If they are average to slightly larger and ripped, they could just be naturally lean with a good diet, or are cardio athletes. I fall into the latter category and stay vascular and lean all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 11:45 PM
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That is a lot of extrapolation on your part, which is pure projection. I'm not sure where your apparent bitterness comes from, but it's ridiculous to act like you know anything about other peoples' private situation. If you don't see that, you must be young and immature. In my household we do "executive, and mental labor" for each other. It's called marriage. Her and I are a team. Not only do we give each other security, we are best friends and lovers with so much shared history. I consider myse…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:43 AM
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Nope. It sounds like you need better friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 10:43 AM
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The graph I saw showed a solid trend line for at least 10 years of data. I don't think it included '21 though, so that'd be great news if average women are going for average men once again. Regarding the dating app data, the average man is having substantially less than half the matching success of the average woman. See the 80/20 rule frequently discussed on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 07:15 AM
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It would be nice to get some recent statistics. If you have them, please share. The trends I have seen show virginity surging for men and dropping for women. Dating app data show a massive contrast between men and women, which is consistent with anecdotes I've heard. Casual sex is absolutely unnatural, and goes against all traditions and family values. Many feel that sex was never meant to be meaningless recreation, and feelings were never meant to be divorced from physical intimacy. Therefore, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:02 AM
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I never claimed to be an RP man, although I do agree with much of their philosophy that I've heard. About the other part, I think that neither men nor women should be "ruled by their libido" , which is another way of saying promiscuous. In terms of raw numbers in most Western countries, many more women than men sleep around these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:36 AM
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I'm not sure when it became a competition, but ok. My wife and I bring complementary strengths to the table, and in our case the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. It's fair enough for us, and that's what matters. Depending on what you mean by "get anywhere", I know of many men doing very well on their own. I do think that both genders do better as part of a family unit, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:22 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean by "RP men" but Western men seeking traditional women certainly are doing well in SE Asian countries. I don't have as much experience with Latin American countries but I'm sure it's the same there. Women from these parts of the world are traditional high quality, and not at all superficial and/or ruled by their libido. You don't have to worry about a nasty sexual past and associated trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:04 AM
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Who belittled women in their traditional roles? Certainly no one I have ever known. My own wife has been an amazing blend of traditional and modern. The latter in the sense that she's a white collar earner like myself, fortunate to have WFH for 2 decades now. She's also strived to be a traditional wife and mother to our son. I'm lucky to have her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 03:20 AM
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Monogamy is a requirement for any committed relationship. It is delusional to think otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:43 AM
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Look at this absolute unit out here, rejecting women. Is that a dig because he claims to be voluntarily celibate? It's pretty dumb to think that all men who can get women will want to. You all are so full of yourselves it is hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:04 AM
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You can’t make a hoe into a housewife is not grounded in any kind of reality. Granted, that's a rather crude saying but it exists for a reason. There's truth behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 01:51 AM
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It's prejudice to think sluts are gross, and probably damaged and utterly unfit for LTRs? K.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:30 AM
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In the last 20 years?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 12:12 AM
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Average girls used to find average guys attractive, up until only very recently. What could have changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 07:05 AM
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That sounds like BS to me. I mean, of course it can happen that some single men will blame society for their problems, and become violent. That's nothing new though. All of the single, older men that I know are just chilling enjoying life, friends and hobbies. I imagine it's the same for most older single women. Who knows what it's like behind closed doors for single people. I'm sure it can be difficult. I do feel for them and wish they could find a life partner. Someone who matches with and com…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 10:25 PM
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Yeah I should clarify. I meant people in a committed relationship who are open to having a child, but not right now. So what is "unwanted" becomes inconvenience in terms of timing. My perspective is from my own marriage, and it worked great for us in terms of timing when we had kids. It's probably best to advise, use a damn condom all the time if you absolutely don't want a pregnancy to happen. Otherwise own the consequences. No ifs or buts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 01:14 AM
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I agree. These pretty boy types getting with loads of questionable quality women on dating apps (or otherwise) need to grow up and be held accountable. There's a lot more to life than your dick. If they impregnate someone, they should own it. No excuses. Maybe the crackdown on abortion will result in more consequences for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 12:42 AM
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Well I'm not one of those men, and it saddens me that women choose to sleep with irresponsible idiots like that. As far as I'm concerned, if you're a guy and don't want a kid, either wear a condom or keep it in the pants. Trusting the word of some stranger is foolish. Better yet, only have sex with someone you are committed to. You can then use the pull out method unless you want a pregnancy. That's far from foolproof. If your relationship is built on something more than just physical sex, unint…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 12:13 AM
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Not going to get into a debate on abortion, but how about using 1 of the other bajillion contraceptive options available? Or maybe just not sleep with someone, unless you want to potentially have a child. Sort of like, how nature intended. The economic and social percussions of having a child out of wedlock was a powerful incentive for women to guard their sexuality. For eons. Maybe the solution to today's mess is to reintroduce that. They may be getting handouts now, but the coming economic dow…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:24 PM
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It's nice to hear that at least some retain morals and standards. That will pay off because quality men want quality women for companionship. It's sad to see the devastation brought to courting and relationships because of dating apps. I used to be pro-choice. Once I realized just how many consider abortion to be yet another form of contraception, I felt sick to my stomach. People treating procreation as recreation need to take responsible for the result of their choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:23 PM
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That's cool. I am an engineer who has worked with statistics for the better part of 3 decades, especially recently. I have looked at studies that are available in this area, and the data acquisition and statistical methods were solid enough for me. I see definite patterns in the data that reinforce my own common sense. It's not really worth debating anymore, so we can agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 09:27 PM
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Remember, we're talking about relationships not hooking up. You may think it juvenile, but that just tells me you're probably younger. People gain wisdom with age, and men learn about true female nature with experience. It's not just common sense that promiscuity damages women for relationships. Statistics back it up (marital happiness, likelihood of infidelity, divorce, etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:54 PM
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It's simple, really. The thing with highly promiscuous females is, while they may be easy to get and good at fucking, they've probably lost all ability to make love. Something necessary for pair bonding and relationships. Getting with many men wrecks them emotionally, if they haven't learned to disassociate or otherwise divorce feelings from intimacy. Permanent damage either way. They have chosen to be temporary use only, so be sure to treat them as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:49 AM
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Ah, you're earlier reply was ambiguous. I thought you were referring to the OP's post. My reply is spot on, which is why men with options do not seek promiscuous females for relationships. You're more than welcome to them lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:38 AM
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Made up or not, it doesn't change the truth of my reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 02:04 AM
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Stay far away from females seeking non monogamy. Like any other promiscuous sex addict, they're probably good at mindless fucking but have forgotten how to make love. These people have chosen a life of objectification over anything meaningful, and that shit gets ingrained psychologically. Hence the term, "they belong to the streets." You would think this stuff should be obvious, but it goes to show how far society has fallen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 08:53 PM
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Thirsty men for sex, sure. This thread is about relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:58 AM
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Sorry but the "insecurity" argument is a hot load of BS. Even the most clueless of men are realizing that most promiscuous females are forever ruined for relationships. For the sake of argument, say with n-count greater than age. Which is A LOT of bodies. Women (and men, I'd argue) who engage in frequent sex with different partners have learned to divorce feelings from the physical act of intimacy. For most, this is a one way street damaging the ability to connect emotionally with any partner go…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:53 AM
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Oh, I have a daughter too and we do sometimes talk about modern dating and relationships. The solution for her was to straight up not do OLD, and to try to cut back on social media. She's attempting to meet people the old fashioned way. That is, organically, at places where normal people congregate, like at Uni, social clubs and places like dog parks. All the attention and options in (online) dating sound awesome for women, until you really think about it and the long term ramifications. Which, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 12:26 AM
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I'm saying women's "standards" have become inflated and warped. It was not like this at all only a decade or two ago, where most "average" men and women got paired off in marriage. You tell me what changed in recent years. Hint: it's unlikely most men suddenly became ugly and undesirable (invisible is a more accurate term) to most women by virtue of anything they did, or didn't do. No one is saying anyone should be forced to fuck anyone they don't want to fuck. That's ridiculous. However, most a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 11:27 PM
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From what I understand, OLD dominates dating these days. So it is very relevant to any dating and relationship discussion. That "average women" somehow feel superior to "average men" is absurd and illogical. When you dig into that phenomenon a bit, and understand that many women cannot distinguish temporary sexual attention from actual romantic interest, you begin to understand how perceptions get skewed when it comes to a person's value, sexual vs relationship. This has all been enabled by a sm…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 11:02 PM
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Uh, it's mostly women doing the objectifying (chasing attractive players), and seeking to be treated as sex objects (pump and dump by said players). Just look at online dating habits and statistics. If the shoe was on the other foot, and it was the majority of women who were the casualties of some warped artificial selectivity, there would be no end to the man hating. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 10:48 PM
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So apparently human beings are regressing. That's wonderful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 10:31 PM
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Females on OLD for an extended period of time are extremely low quality. They either actually prefer the variety of hooking up with random strangers, their sex addiction clouding judgement. Or, they're continually failing at securing a relationship because they aim too high (at players with options), and can't distinguish temporary sexual attention from true romantic interest. Thus getting pump and dumped, over and over and over. Either way, these trashy females are accumulating enough Exes and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:55 AM
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Is there a difference between a woman going on a dating app, and dressing up and hanging out on the street corner?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 10:20 PM
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Likewise. Thank you, and take care.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 08:01 PM
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Both my wife and I are very secure in ourselves. We have our own separate hobbies and friends, as well as common interests and people we hang out with. We've always loved world travel and have spent 2 decades as travel companions (with our son). That definitely brought us closer. She really is my best friend, and lover. Is there any guarantee in our marriage? Of course not, we're human and do human things. We have moments of weakness and temptation. But we trust in each other and have made it th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:46 PM
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Cool I honestly hope it works out, and you find a reason to stay together for the long term. Our son recently went off to college, and so we're now empty nesters. It's pretty awesome and my wife and I are closer than ever. We may not be as sexually active as we used to, but our commitment and exclusivity to each other all these years is so meaningful. It really is the foundation of our marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:20 PM
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What happens once the children are grown, and husband and wife are financially secure?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 06:57 PM
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I also feel smothered by monogamy and I want a man who recognizes that sex is just sex and not some super sacred covert contract. Just trying to understand a view much different from my own. If that's how you truly feel, what's the point of relationships and marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 06:40 PM
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Of course promiscuous men are just as nasty as promiscuous women. I mean, isn't this a Duh kind of question?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 06:30 PM
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For emphasis! Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 10:42 PM
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Kudos to you not succumbing to societal and/or peer pressure. Apparently the FOMO is too strong for many. Reserving that as something special for your partner will enhance your relationship and bring you closer together. Good luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 10:32 PM
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Kudos to you not succumbing to societal and/or peer pressure. Apparently the FOMO is too strong for many. Reserving that as something special for your partner will enhance your relationship and bring you closer together. Good luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 10:30 PM
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You dodged a major bullet there. I highly suggest you become a lot more selective about where you put it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 10:26 PM
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Hookup culture of the 60s and 70s was usually confined to to groups of friends, or friends of friends. Somewhat akin to modern day swingers. It was nowhere near as prevalent nor frequent as today. After all, thanks to the complete secrecy and anonymity of dating apps and social media, rando hookup sex for women is only a few clicks away. It's gross and disgusting how far morals have fallen.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 10:22 PM
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I've been with my wife for over two decades, and travel has always been a huge priority for us. That consisted of 1-3 major trips overseas every year, pre-pandemic. In '20 we purchased an RV for road trips which has been surprisingly enjoyable. When you spend extended periods of time together, of course compatibility is extremely important. My wife is my best friend in this world, in addition to lover, so there's no one I'd rather spend time with. Once our son was born it was the 3 of us traveli…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 10:32 PM
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It's primarily the fault of online dating (including social media apps) which has skewed women's perception of value on a massive scale. It has enabled and normalized casual sex and high body counts, all under the veil of complete secrecy and anonymity. As we now know, too many women have a hard time distinguishing superficial sexual attention (physical lust) from genuine interest (romantic love). Voila, the hordes of delusional women we see today with an inflated sense of value, destined to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 10:00 PM
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Ugh, this post and responses are disheartening to read. So glad I'm not actively dating. Why not call this perversion "cruising for sex". That's all it is, for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 03:29 AM
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Consider Bali or Java, Indonesia. Family and tradition are still very important there with immorality viewed as shameful. Therefore, the rate of virginity is high among the unmarried. I find the women there beautiful in an exotic sort of way, and westerners definitely get attention/curiosity... especially away from urban areas. I have American friends who married Indo women with all in long, happy marriages (none converted to islam lol).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:29 PM
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Ouch. If you truly view yourself as "community service" for horny young men, for whatever the reason, I'm sorry. I am positive that you have much more to offer than that. It's a raw deal, but at least partially self-inflicted due to choices. Hookup sex isn't intimacy, which has important mental and emotional components. Not even close. Rather, it is taking the most intimate act humanly possible and throwing it in the trash. It's good that the kids are shielded from such behavior, as they learn b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 01:28 AM
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100+ bodies is straight up insane. The average person has 1/10 of that total in a lifetime. Most rational people would conclude there's an underlying addiction to sex and/or validation going on. I hope you're discreet about it. The disgusting dudes you're getting with are sex addicts. Men like that coming and going isn't good for children to see and try to process what's going on. Ugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 04:54 PM
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Are you truly happy being objectified, and objectifying others? Just for some stupid tingles. Sex addiction is unhealthy and unfulfilling, not to mention viscerally disgusting to most people. It's too bad you couldn't secure an LTR partner who is both best friend and lover. It's one of the best feelings in the world. Giving up and living a life of depraved perversion will ensure that never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 07:47 AM
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At least in my own case, men absolutely do not peak at 45. From a purely physical standpoint, I'm healthier, lighter and far fitter at 52 than I was ten years ago (as my before/after post shows haha). When our son went off to college I had lots more time, so I transformed the old 'dad bod' into that of an elite athlete. I've never felt better. I'm also in a better spot mentally and financially, and confident in all aspects of life. I would say 50s are the peak for men who are driven with purpose…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 03:02 AM
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And women should be far more selective about who they let stick their dick into them. I sure see a lot of single mothers around. Seriously, I'm sick of deadbeats of both genders, and subsidizing their shitty decisions. Best solution is to get back to traditional, relationship-based intimacy and sex. That would drastically reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, and resulting children.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 02:15 AM
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Great response, and I agree completely! I met my wife when we were both sophomores in college and we're still together 30 years later. We complement each other perfectly, especially in the parenting of our son who is well adjusted and thriving in college. We are best friends and lovers, and have many common interests as well as separate hobbies. My wife and I have certainly had our share of ups and downs but soldiering through it all has been so incredibly rewarding. That initial spark and attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 05:13 AM
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What's that saying? Oh yeah, "the more sex a woman has before marriage, the less she will have after". Promiscuous women, who have been there done that with a bus load of other dudes, are addicted to variety. LTR sex is the opposite of this and will get dull and boring quickly. Something new and exciting is needed to get the juices flowing again. In other words, infidelity. Yet another reason why N count is critical when screening potential mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:04 PM
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Yup, I'm free to believe what I will, and you're free to do as you like. High N isn't good for men either. I've seen too many former gigolo or player types not age well, often becoming depressed and/or alcoholics later on. Husks of their former selves and perpetually single. An over emphasis on sex is unhealthy, and especially bad for LTRs and marriage because sex will always be more exciting with some unknown rando than the same old, same old. That mindset usually leads to infidelity. There's f…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 05:35 AM
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There's a difference between sexual attention and true romantic interest. Unfortunately, many women cannot differentiate, or choose not to in this era of secrecy and anonymity (dating apps). Sorry, but men with options will always choose someone with a lower N for a serious relationship. Always have and always will. How can someone feel any genuine romantic interest for someone who has been there, done that with countless other dudes? Again, N is subjective so let's say 50+ for sake of argument.…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 01:31 AM
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Body count is entirely subjective, and relative. For some people 5 is high and for others that's low and something like 50+ is considered high. For myself, I think above the statistical average of 8 is high. Regardless, it is absolutely true that as a woman's body count rises, the chance of her being well adjusted diminishes. It's the same for promiscuous men in my experience. Therefore, settling for promiscuous people in a relationship is fraught with risk and not worth it. Not to mention, it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 11:59 PM
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You could be her second boyfriend and the second person she had sex with and she could say something like that. What are the chances of something like that happening in one prior relationship vs 9? Exactly, the more someone gets around the more likely they are to be damaged. That's just one reason for the inherent revulsion to promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 09:18 AM
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Why does this topic keep coming up? Because it matters, a lot. Ask yourself why in studies the N-count data has always skewed low for women? Because they know it matters, always has and always will.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:07 AM
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Case in point, this reply. So many women cannot distinguish mere sexual attention from true romantic interest. The former doesn't care about counts, but the latter absolutely does. Real men do not commit to sluts, former or current. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:30 AM
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Case in point, this reply. So many women cannot distinguish mere sexual attention from true romantic interest. The former doesn't care about counts, but the latter absolutely does. Real men do not commit to sluts, former or current. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:29 AM
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Above some (admittedly subjective) threshold of muscularity, I believe women are more attracted to leanness and vascularity, which is suggestive of high fitness. Lots of gym rat types are not fit at all, just big. I know, as back in my hardcore lifting days I learned quite painfully that I wasn't really fit when I tried to run stadium stairs for cross training. So, I got into competitive bike racing and lost all interest in lifting. I'm now pretty much perma-ripped with veins popping (180lbs @ 5…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 10:27 PM
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Or, she may be highly social and found that a stack of books doesn't cut it. Just one more reason I'm grateful to be introverted. My hobbies are also my passions, and are highly engaging physically and/or mentally. I'm fairly certain I won't miss working when that time comes. But, you never know until you get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 10:04 PM
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My dude, good on you to achieve what you have! There's far more to life than attention from females. Especially the ones in your country, who feminism has ruined. So forget about them, they aren't worth your time and effort. Instead, work on your finances so you can travel the world. I'd be willing to bet you'd receive attention from foreign women, who are generally much higher quality anyway. I'm speaking from first hand experience there. G'luck and keep it up!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 07:53 PM
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Nah, I don't agree. My opinion, but I think it's more common for older religious folks to lack passion and purpose in life. Many of the ones I know are just going to church and basically waiting to die. The non-religious retirees that I know are busy with a variety of interests from travel, to gardening, to socializing or donating their time and volunteering. I'm generalizing but if this life is all we have, I think one is more likely to stay busy and productive instead of waiting for some sort …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 07:44 PM
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That's sad, but unfortunately not uncommon. I recall hearing about recent retirees suddenly getting serious health ailments at my previous company where I worked for 20 years. Therefore, I believe it is vital to have other interests and hobbies to engage in. At 52, I am starting to think about early retirement, or dropping to part time or contract based (temporary) work. I'm very fortunate because my wife and I are both highly paid engineers and have always lived well below our means. I have no …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 07:27 PM
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Correct. You are definitely committing to someone if you date them (assuming exclusivity) for years. However, that is VERY far from marriage level commitment. The point is to look before you leap by spending enough time with someone to fully vet them. To see how their values match up, how they handle good and bad days, and how they deal with adversity. Also, how they handle the routine of a steady relationship, including sex when it's not as exciting as it once was when it was new.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:11 AM
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That's exactly why I advocate not rushing into relationships and attachment. The more time that goes by, the more you learn about them as a person. Whether they're being honest, or not. If they are dishonest, secretive or inconsistent, dump them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 08:45 PM
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Why would this come up on a first date? It's a process.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 08:28 PM
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This is why you don't rush headlong into relationships and emotional attachment, especially these days. You date for months or even years before any level of commitment. This is called vetting and being selective. There are lots of tell tale signs about a person's past. All you have to do is pay attention after the infatuation stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 08:26 PM
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Similar to an employer wanting to know a job candidate's work history, it's extremely important to know a relationship candidate's prior relationship history. Otherwise we are going in blind, which is a no go for anyone with any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 08:18 PM
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This is absolutely true. When it comes to relationships, getting with a "hot girl" with a promiscuity problem will lead to nothing but stress. It simply isn't worth it, hence why traditional women are so highly prized and valued when it comes to commitment. Also, "hot or not" matters significantly less in a relationship due to familiarity. Even a supermodel will not seem so super after months, years of same old, same old.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 08:07 PM
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I think what you wrote makes sense. Attitudes towards something is just as important as past behaviors. However, a promiscuous past is still higher risk than a non-promiscuous past according to statistics and common sense. Therefore it is still important to be 100% honest about our pasts and who we are, and who we have been. Especially at the start of a relationship when we don't fully know a prospective partner yet. It's entirely possible if not probable that behavior could change once familiar…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 07:45 PM
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Hell... with that logic, relationships should just be a free for all. If we're going to be dishonest about our personal histories and who we are at the start of a relationship, why bother with honesty at all? After all, affairs are way more fun and exciting than the same old, same old. Go have at it. Obviously, I think this line of reasoning is bunk. No one is saying women can't sleep around if they choose to. Rather, that men have a right to factor that in their decision in who they want to com…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 07:26 PM
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That was a pretty stupid comment. All types of people go to the zoo incase you didn't know. I didn't want to be explicit but we saw what you described. That, and vastly different features. It was impossible not to notice. I'm not sure what to say about the rest of your comment about thugs and stuff. My guess is that those "females" aren't very desirable anyways, but I'll defer to your expertise on that. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 09:47 PM
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Seething? That's a bit strong. Sounds like some projection on your part. You made the point about dating, which is actually just ONS for many women these days. Traditionally, dating has meant courtship and the pursuit of relationships, or getting to know someone at a minimum. Not this one and done casual sex BS. The OP made a point about women confusing sexual attention with relationship value. The secrecy and anonymity of online dating has led to artificial selectivity (chad chasing) which is r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 08:51 PM
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The only thing women are doing is exercising their own free will in choosing who they want to date. Oh yes, 'dating'. Unfortunately, these females are often too stupid to distinguish sexual attention from relationship interest and end up getting knocked up and ghosted. Often by different dudes. I was at the local zoo with my wife this past weekend and we were astounded by the number of obviously single moms with different looking kids in tow. It was depressing to see. It pisses me off how these …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 06:25 PM
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Are you clueless or what? Dating for hookups is entirely different from dating for relationships. So while women are "dating" the men they're attracted to on the apps, those men are dating for hookups only. It's warped and twisted. This artificial selectivity of women is unprecedented, and extremely unhealthy for society as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:39 AM
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I would say most definitely. Sexual ignorance is far better than sexual expertise in a LTR partner. Sex obviously is very important to a relationship, but there's so much more to life and relationships. Someone with sex addiction or with too much emphasis on sex is a big risk for infidelity. Why? Because sex with the new and unknown is always more exciting than the same old. Especially after years and years with the same partner. Choose wisely, else you are asking for much anguish and stress, or…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:14 AM
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Female "sexual expertise" only has value for paid sex workers, or the for free ones off dating apps. Those are whores, and objects to be used rather than women to men. What men truly want is purity in their women. Then they can explore sexuality together. Infinitely better than being with some sex addict.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 07:31 AM
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This emphasis on sex is way too high these days, which is unhealthy for relationships. Sex will always be more exciting with the new and unknown. There's so much more to life and relationships, so a fixation on sex is a major red flag in my view. Women who remain virgins (or low n) either do not have this unhealthy fixation or they have the self mastery to control their urges until marriage or a serious relationship. Both are indications they were raised well and are strong positives in a long t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 05:38 AM
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No it doesn't. It's important that we hold our daughters, and sons, to certain standards. It is important for their well being and happiness, and the future value they bring to a relationship. It's on us to attempt to help them avoid self sabotage/harm like hookup culture masquerading as 'dating', that is prevalent today. Coincidence that so many fathers are absent from their kids' lives? We do this by setting a good example, along with instilling morals and values when they are young and impres…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 03:44 AM
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We're clearly making different points. Mine is consistent with the OP's post that high N brings an increased risk of trauma and baggage brought into a relationship. Marriage, infidelity and divorce stats validate this risk correlation with promiscuity. You're saying that trauma can happen to anyone, including those with low body counts. I don't disagree with that. However, when choosing potential partners, it is prudent to minimize risk factors to have the best chance at a lasting, positive outc…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 10:51 PM
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And I made the point that, like any risky behavior, the more one engages in promiscuity, the chance of trauma goes up. Of course someone low n could be unlucky. Any claim that "it's just dick" and no big deal is just silly. That dick is attached to a complex human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 07:08 PM
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Um, hello? We speak generally on forums like this. Don't take things so personally or be so quick to hurl insults at people you do not know..
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 06:48 PM
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It's not just men here. Promiscuity in women has always, ALWAYS, been viscerally repulsive for men with choices. That's just common sense. Female "sexual expertise" only has value for prostitutes, porn stars, or the for free equivalent on dating apps for men who engage in that BS. And like crossing a busy street, the more times you do it, the chance of receiving trauma goes up...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 06:32 PM
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The point is, in this context, it's a roll of the dice with each new partner. The larger the number, the greater the statistical chance that there is trauma present.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 06:21 PM
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I don't understand where this "sex fomo" has come from. The emphasis on sex is way too high these days, which is unhealthy for relationships. Sex will always be more exciting with the new and unknown. There's so much more to life and relationships, so a fixation on sex is a major red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 05:43 PM
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Given the correlation between past relationship trauma and parental trauma, it is just safer to choose someone with fewer past sexual relationships. Everything else equal. That's just common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 05:36 PM
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I'm unsure what "revenge fantasy" even means in this context, but ok. G'luck to you and your marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 08:53 AM
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Most women aren't prostitutes, but a large chunk are acting like them without being paid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 04:58 AM
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Wow, you have quite the distorted view of men. Ah I see, your exposure to them has likely been the so-called Chad's and bad boys who get off on the shit you listed. On the purity part, that is just plain old biology and evolution. Men have always prized low N women for relationships. For a variety of reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 04:54 AM
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I have been married 25 years to a great woman, so no hardship for me. Thank you very much. But I do try to understand the, yes, plight of young "average" men looking for love. How is it their fault that anonymous, secretive online dating has wrecked women's views and expectations of sex and relationships? They are the collateral damage. Maybe, just maybe, you will understand down the road when you mature a bit. Or if you join the ranks of the undesirable single women who have been overly promisc…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 04:36 AM
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Great job attempting to understand another point of view - NOT. The plight of average men forced to fight over low quality scraps, because so many women are thirsty for sexual attention from attractive men who like to pump and dump and move on. The other option is to become celibate. I would propose another option of finding traditional, loyal, high quality women overseas, but most men don't have the means for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 04:10 AM
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So the women sleeping around on Tinder are basically hookers, with Tinder making the money off the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 05:41 AM
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I know first hand from various friends and acquaintances that high-n takes a toll on many men. It messes with the emotions and reduces people to objects to be discarded. Many promiscuous men become shells of there former selves later in life. I believe it is even worse for high-n women. Being a whore may be seem like all fun and games early on for females drunk on male attention. Little do they know that these females typically become undesirable "old maids" as other women get married off. Where…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 04:24 PM
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Competitive cycling has gotten me into the best shape of my life at 52. I typically alternate intense training with easy/recovery rides, averaging 1 to 2 hours per ride, 7 days a week. Usually solo, sometimes on group rides. I'm not a fan of gyms. Adding in discipline when it comes to diet results in extreme leanness and vascularity, all of the time. I haven't lifted weights in many years but I look like I do thanks to good genetics. Definitely get a lot of looks which is a fun bonus. I'm a big …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 08:30 PM
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Bodycount is extremely important to men for relationships. There are so many reasons, starting with it is impossible to feel romantic love towards a girl who has been passed around like a whore. Zilch, nada. She just can't be special anymore, since men highly value chastity in women, basically since the dawn of time. Rather after a certain bodycount, she should just live out her life being objectified, as she chose to be. The tavern wenches of old were only good for one thing, and it's the same …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 10:09 AM
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That stat has got to predate online dating. Promiscuity for women has exploded ever since they could order thirsty men online. Men who wouldn't be caught dead being seen in public with them. Completely anonymous and private ("you up?"), just their dirty secret. That math adds up pretty fast...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 09:56 AM
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Who made Romantic love the standard to abide to? Unsure of that, as men are natural romantics and have felt that way towards women special to them for a very long time. Since the medieval period at least. What I do know is, it is impossible for men to feel romantic love towards whores. No chance, zip, nada. Those women can't be special anymore, but rather should accept being the objects they chose to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 09:48 AM
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But, that would be 20 times more likely to happen in 20 ONS encounters. Not at all. Most men won't randomly beat a rando girl. The ones who get abused are almost always in LTR or marriages Uhhh no, unless you're calling my niece a liar. One of her friends apparently got roughed up by a "date" before. Think about it, it is easier for randos to do such a thing because many women are secretive about their "activities" and probably wouldn't report it. Women have leverage these days when it comes to …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 09:00 PM
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You sound like a feminist throwing around stupid terms like prude and incel. What an immature take on this topic. I mean, yeah a woman can get raped and beaten in one LTR. But, that would be 20 times more likely to happen in 20 ONS encounters. Hell, even more likely since there is zero vetting when it comes to casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 06:16 PM
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My dudes, stay FAR away from current/former CC riders for anything serious. The exact number tolerated depends, but any self respecting man won't go much above 10. These CC sex addicts are F'd in more ways than one. Especially the ones with body counts so high that a prostitute would blush. As they say, the more sex a woman has before marriage, the less she will have after. Each additional partner takes an emotional toll and increases the chance that she will be "alpha widowed" and forever long …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 05:54 PM
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Sorry, but ONS are just plain hollow and empty. Sex and intimacy is decidedly quality over quantity for the vast majority of men who have experienced both. Of course men who have been cut off from sex during peak hormone years are going to get a bad case of FOMO. I mean, duh. It's no accident that men are the romantic gender. Romantic feelings can be incredibly powerful and intoxicating, and men will move mountains for that special someone. Romanticism has motivated beautiful things like art and…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 08:20 AM
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Why do men want romance? I believe that (straight) men are biologically programmed to move mountains for the right girl. Those can be incredibly intoxicating instincts and feelings. Some of the best memories from my late teens and early 20s were relationships with quality GFs who I had initial crushes and infatuation, and then romantic feelings for. I wouldn't trade those natural highs for anything, and the experiences were amazing too. Way beyond just sex. Feeling romantic thoughts towards some…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 04:18 AM
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If women want to act like sex addicted perverts fucking anyone or anything that makes them tingle, go for it. Don't cry later when you've forever tarnished your capacity for intimacy and pair bonding, as well as being disregarded as a low value skank when your past becomes known. Choices have consequences, what a concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 01:46 AM
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On the "dark secret world" comment... I was thinking more of the chads since they're getting with women they'd be embarrassed to be seen in public with. Thus a secret, usually in the dark of night. These guys should be embarrassed about their behavior. The women are just plain sex and/or validation addicts. Not only does it cheapen something that was once special and intimate to them (destroying pair bonding along the way), but also the thought of a woman's promiscuous past repels any high value…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 10:48 AM
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Sorry, but a promiscuous mindset doesn't have an on/off switch like that. This is why the correlation between marriage/infidelity/divorce stats and body count isn't good. You would think that this stuff should be common sense. But, women want to protect their dark world of secret anonymous encounters with complete strangers. Disgusting behavior that would've been considered perverted not long ago. Good luck finding men who want to deal with a shady past like that...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 05:58 AM
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What I find funny is that many women can't distinguish sexual attention from romantic affection. Hence, the term "standards" is a bit flimsy in this context since those two things are not the same. But whatever, have fun with your choices and consequences. They are on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 09:23 PM
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Your wife is indeed a sex addict. You better keep up with her, for the sake of your marriage. Counter to popular opinion around here, the promiscuity mindset doesn't have an on/off switch. Be/stay her best!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:30 AM
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I'm talking generally about the sentiment that men (or women) should just accept promiscuity. F that. So I guess it does hit a nerve with me. Not so much for myself since I'm in a long term, happy marriage with a high value woman, but for society as a whole. Especially our children.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 08:13 AM
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Ah yes the "insecure" argument. What a crock. Sorry to say, vetting potential partners or mates is part of the process. Especially in these days of immorality and degeneracy. Committing to someone deeply damaged and dishonest about their past is a massive risk. I tell you what, you can stick with dudes so "secure" that they need to plow through women like there's no tomorrow. Or guys so desperate that they'll settle for any used up scraps. Promiscuous people deserve each other since they have si…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 07:31 AM
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Why some men have low standards for who they will sleep with has always been a mystery to me. Some men are just the proverbial dogs I guess. Many things would improve if these morons would settle down a bit, take care of their urges themselves sometimes, or just get some damn hobbies to put their energy and vigor into. Basically, the way it was before dating apps. But, it appears they have some sort of subconscious need for female validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 09:35 PM
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Men are increasingly entering into relationships thinking, "she can't be yours, it's only your turn." This has real ramifications, aside from the obliteration of romanticism. Most men aren't into casual sex, either by choice or not, and are saying screw it and abandoning dating altogether. It's just not worth the hassle, risk and dealing with the sense of entitlement most women have these days. Many men are finding fulfillment outside of relationships. It sucks that women like the OP are feeling…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 09:00 PM
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I have literally seen demure, introverted accountants, engineers, policy folks etc order a dude off apps I thought this was hyperbole, but it's actually true. Thirsty dudes show up and leave just as quickly when the deed is done. What kind of whacked world do we live in where this is even a thing. Reducing people to objects and placing orders online like ordering a f'n pizza. It's completely unnatural, and a recipe for mental illness. On top of that, it's viscerally disgusting to the average guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 08:34 PM
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I've actually found this discussion group to be more liberal minded than the general population, and I live in a very liberal city. Most guys don't care about promiscuity for acquaintances, friendship are short term relationships. I mean that's even silly to bring up in casual conversation. However, most definitely do care when it comes to serious relationships. For a multitude of reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 08:10 PM
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Lol ok if you say so. I guess we should start sharpening our spears if we're going to regress back to being hunter gatherers. But who knows, Mad Max could be in our future with the current state of things..
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 02:52 AM
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Exception != the rule. But I do hope you remain a "boring old married lady"! That's what it's ultimately about in this thing called life. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 02:51 AM
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There's no such thing as casual sex for normal people "Normal people"? Most people have casual sex these days. Most men certainly are not having casual sex. Not by a long shot. I think most women aren't either, although the trend isn't looking good. We'll have to wait and see if what is "normal" changes. I think blowback is already happening. since that is the single most intimate thing you can do with another person. The fact that it's physically intimate doesn't mean that it's a big deal. Sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 02:40 AM
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Ok, have fun with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 02:14 AM
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Are you really comparing human sexuality to that of other primates? Good grief, that's some hardcore justification of a hedonistic lifestyle. If you really think we're regressing to some fantasy of harems for the rich and powerful, or genetically gifted (lol)... Well, that would be a volatile, violent future indeed. I think it is a momentary madness, influenced by heavy marketing by the likes of Tinder and other social media to normalize a behavior that is clearly wrong according to nearly all o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 01:56 AM
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There's no such thing as casual sex for normal people, since that is the single most intimate thing you can do with another person. If hooking up is easy for someone, then they've damaged themselves and are incapable of deep emotional connection and intimacy (pair bonding). This is why sex addiction is so dangerous, particularly for women. But also for men. Permanent effects from temporary pleasure, not unlike hard drug usage. In fact, they often go hand in hand both being reckless behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 01:38 AM
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There will be a time when today's promiscuous woman will be looked back upon with amazement, and not in a good way. Like how did that happen and on such a large scale. There will be backlash against those women, and they will attempt to hide their pasts. Barring a few exceptions, they are walking red flags, broken and emotional burnt out. It's somewhat the same for promiscuous men, but there are far fewer of them. All the players/gigolo types I know from back in the day are generally depressed a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 01:32 AM
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There's no such thing as casual sex for normal people, since that is the single most intimate thing you can do with another person. Period. If hooking up is easy for someone, then they've damaged themselves and are incapable of a deep emotional connection and intimacy (pair bonding). This is why sex addiction is incredibly dangerous, particularly for women. Permanent effects from temporary pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:43 AM
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Chads (aka attractive promiscuous men) are only hurting themselves with all the fucking around they're doing. Well, hurting themselves and the weak-willed women who fall for them. There's no such thing as casually hooking up for normal people, since that is the most intimate thing you can do with another person. If hooking up is easy for someone, then they've damaged themselves and are incapable of emotional connection and intimacy (pair bonding). This is why sex addiction is so dangerous, parti…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 02:21 AM
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Imagine all that time head down and fixated on a tiny screen. Now, think of being around and interacting with other living, breathing people with all that time. I truly feel for the young people today, many who are effectively doomed to loneliness. It's so not fair. Yeah, we (late 80s, 90s in my case) tended to just meet people organically without even trying. I was extremely introverted in my teens and early 20s, but even I had tons of opportunities with girls. I was always the monogamous/relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 08:33 AM
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If you can't understand and acknowledge that dating has become much more difficult for average young men in recent times, largely due to the dynamics of OLD, then you're not "answering the question" either. A big problem is that both sides don't try harder to see things from the opposite perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 01:05 AM
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Agreed. Reading your comments have helped me understand a different world just a little bit better. I hope others in similar relationships are finding fulfillment. I believe, the one thing we all want is a better future for our children. Cheers!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 12:22 AM
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Fair enough. For me, monogamy is the bedrock of any relationship, so it's impossible for me to understand/rationalize the alternative. What's the point of a relationship then? And no I'm not religious, at all. I am, however, completely bonded to my wife and she is to me as well. That could change as we're only human, but it's held for 25 years thus far. We have different, varied hobbies and interests, and are often doing different things with different people. Our bond gives us trust and securit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 11:48 PM
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I'm older too (52) and I've seen the exact opposite. Nearly all of my friends and family are in very long term relationships/marriages and happily stable, so it's hard for me to understand the jadedness. Perhaps it's the demographic of my social circle (educated STEM majors, high income, varied hobbies/interests, etc). Since I don't directly witness much of what I read about in these forums, it's easy for me to chalk it up to promiscuity and loose morals having consequences. It's probably more c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 09:59 PM
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You've never experience deeper, intimate connections with people if "diminished pair bonding" and the "fun and fleeting" is all you're seeking. That is the cost of a promiscuous lifestyle: the death of romanticism, intimacy and deeper connections/meaning. I guess what you do not know can't hurt you, but oh man are people who think like this missing out. What a jaded, meaningless world our young people have to look forward to. It may be all fun and games now, but what about when you're older?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 09:03 PM
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The more time goes by, the less important things like hotness or sexual "skills" are in a relationship. Much more important are connection, intimacy and physical closeness. Sex becomes a way of actualizing those things with someone you care about, which is much more fulfilling. Leave the superficial looks and "sex skillz" for those who are into casual hookups which are only one step above masturbation, and can destroy any capacity for romanticism and future bonding, which is largely based on int…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 07:15 PM
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Key words, "has good looks". Imagine that guy being unattractive and acting like that lol. Lacking in the looks dept is a huge handicap for men these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 08:15 PM
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I don't think it's accurate to say "Men want the most sexual partners possible". Rather, it's probably true that most men want as much sex as possible. For many if not most of us, with someone we're in a relationship with, or at least have feelings for. Granted, there are dudes who treat sex as sport or recreation (bad boys, players, gigolos, etc) but they are a small minority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 08:05 PM
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That's an issue of poor choice of partner on the woman's part, at least in part.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 07:55 PM
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Correlation is sufficient for most men. Choosing a promiscuous woman (or man) for a LTR is fraught with risk, with high risk of economic damage. Add in the emotional damage from likely infidelity, and the ick factor of men knowing their lady has taken fluids from random strangers just for fun. It's just not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 07:27 PM
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"But if a woman slept with lots of people, why wouldn’t it also follow that lots of people found her attractive?" Absolutely not. Women who sleep around are extremely unattractive to most men for LTRs. And newsflash, most men aren't even having casual sex. I would argue that promiscuity is unattractive in anyone including men, but I don't know as I'm not interested in men. One difference between men and women in this regard is that women are the "gatekeepers" of hetero sex. If they've had lots o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 07:17 PM
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Fit shaming? As an extremely fit aerobic athlete, I hope that becomes a thing. Sounds kinda fun. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:36 PM
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I think it's more accurate to replace "alpha male" with "good looking human", and "women" with "the opposite sex". However, it's fair to ponder why good looking men are far more liberal with who they gaze upon, while good looking women are much more selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 07:39 PM
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Yeah it's crazy. When I was in college back in the 90s, I didn't have to do any of this. Or, perhaps I did some or most of it subconsciously. Reading through it, it does make sense from what I understand of "modern women", especially the younger ones. Great post!
/r/TheRedPill07/07/22 12:11 AM
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That was me too, 30 years ago. I found an amazing woman, in physics class back in college of all places, who I am still married to after 25 years. She is extremely high quality, with N=1 and also with 6 digit income like myself. We enjoy our different hobbies, travel the world together in our free time. These days, she seems like a unicorn. I feel for the younger generation, who have to learn "game" and basically become actors to get short term action from low quality women. That sucks and is so…
/r/TheRedPill06/07/22 09:21 PM
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Actually, it is that way. At least for promiscuous women in LTRs. They tend to get bored and look for new shinies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 05:45 AM
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It's gross that I as a married man I care about the world that my kids will have to navigate? Ok. BTW, I think that all promiscuity is inherently bad, not just for women. So cool it on the "controlling women" accusation. I've known quite a few promiscuous men and most of them do not age well, becoming depressed and/or alcoholics in later years. Anyway, I do think you have some maturing to do based on your comments directed at me. But I do hope your marriage plans come to fruition. At this point …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 07:45 PM
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Well... Some of the most deeply unhappy/depressed people I have known have been extremely happy/bubbly on the outside. But I don't know your friend, and hope you're right. Getting with that many people is so far outside the norm, there must be something going on there. I mean, it would take an active prostitute quite some time to hit those numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 07:33 PM
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I think many of those women who think they like sex, actually crave male attention/validation. Not all of course. For merely scratching that itch, sex toys should suffice in the place of swapping fluids with random strangers. Much healthier and less baggage too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 07:12 PM
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Very well said. From my male perspective, meaningless hookups would be similar to sticking it through a hole in a wall. Yuck - no thanks! I'd much rather use my hand. I am very thankful for this, being in a long-term marriage! Naturally, libidos can differ and it's important to be able to take care of yourself and not look elsewhere...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 07:03 PM
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Initial "attraction" evolves and is largely replaced by deeper things like shared experiences, companionship and connection. There is oh so much more to LTRs than superficial attraction and sex. Frankly, it's surprising to me that this even has to be asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 06:38 PM
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If this is real, I truly feel sorry for your friend. Her behavior indicates that she's deeply unhappy, and male attention is like a drug for her. Poor girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 06:18 PM
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This entire thread is about N counts, and how much is too much. Reading through it reveals that many men AND women have standards when it comes to sexual history. If you want reasons for that, you can find answers in many of the replies. No need for me to reiterate. I'm not concerned about "how many men other women fuck" on an individual level. That's just silly. I am, however, concerned about the social ramifications of this behavior COLLECTIVELY. We're already seeing some alarming trends in ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 05:50 PM
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Wow, angry much? You're reading an awful lot into a few sentences I wrote. I was speaking generally, so no reason to get defensive. My wife and I have an amazing relationship. Not sure what led you to think I'm "itching for something different". Perhaps that is some projection on your part. I wish you the best in your relationship to a man who sounds like he has options. Please get back to us when you have an actual track record and/or marriage. Or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 05:40 PM
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I've been married 25 years to a high quality woman, thanks. If past promiscuity truly has no bearing on your relationship, congrats. But that is the exception not the rule, which backed up by infidelity and marriage satisfaction statistics. With promiscuity so prevalent these days, especially amongst women due to the anonymity and discreetness of online dating, the "N-count question" will come up more and more. Low N women will naturally be the prize. That's just human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 05:19 PM
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Who cares about body counts? Men and women who are looking for relationships, that's who. If you're not into that, it's cool. But promiscuity is one of the biggest red flags for relationships, so don't be too surprised when potential partners ask. It's a real issue these days. However, men just "wanting to fuck" are completely different. Of course they don't care about counts, and are just looking to score. Easy women are just that, easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 05:08 PM
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You undoubtedly did him a favor. It sounds like he was relationship minded, and you two were incompatible anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 05:01 PM
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Yes, people who can't keep it in their pants have traditionally been considered weak willed, or ruled by their libido. That's why they kept it on the down low. It used to apply to promiscuous men, but it looks like many women want to emulate those gigolos. Whatever, they can deal with the consequences later. "Can't get sex", ummm yeah you can keep your low quality, recreational sex. Sex within a solid relationship (read: healthy) with an emotional component is much higher quality. It's called in…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 02:44 AM
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Sorry, but weak-willed sex addicts are extremely unattractive, and downright disgusting to most men. But perhaps not for like minded promiscuous men. Enjoy your "recreation".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:29 PM
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Most gym rats don't look cut like that all the time. Far from it, and many take 'roids if they're not gifted genetically. Definitely not good for long term health. And who wants to hang out in a stuffy gym for hours. Cardio athletes, especially if naturally muscular, are the closest thing to "perma-cut". I do competitive bike racing as a natural mesomorph. Although I haven't touched weights in years, people think I lift. 38 bpm resting HR is a nice bonus. It's pretty fun hitting 50 years old and…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 10:47 PM
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Every group has its bad apples. I'm sure the vast majority of involuntarily celibate types are just unattractive, nerdy and/or lack confidence. Hell, many of them probably don't even realize they're given the label "incel". Stereotyping entire groups of people isn't helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:01 PM
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I mean, isn't it a 'Duh'? Men are inherently more physical, and sex is intertwined with emotion for most of them. That's why promiscuity in a partner is so much more of a turn off for men. As well as the whole giver vs receiver thing. No real man can tolerate his girl taking the DNA from another. Cheating is obviously terrible for both sexes. Not religious in the slightest, but I believe that promiscuity (a superset of infidelity) is also wrong, and things like STI/STDs, unwanted pregnancies, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 09:35 AM
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I'm just playing. Harmless banter for me, but it's generally not a good look to be overly defensive and personal with someone you know nothing about. Good day to you. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 08:53 AM
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Ok, let me clarify... Fantasies, yes of course. Who doesn't have them? They're fun after all. Revenge fantasies? Unsure what that even means, so probably not. Especially if it involves low quality chicks who sleep around, and then blame all men for their shitty choices. The butthurt part was a bit of jest in response to snarkiness. Lol buttons may have been pushed...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 08:22 AM
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52M here. No pill, since I've been married to the same amazing, high quality woman for 25 years. However, the more I follow forums like PPD, the more I think that the RP guys have the most realistic view of the current dating environment. Why am I on here? Frankly, it's crazy to watch these "modern women" follow each other over the proverbial cliff like lemmings. I would just watch and shake my head at the clown show, except that a loved one in my extended family is getting pulled into this deca…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 08:01 AM
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Fantasies? Right. I've been married to the same awesome high quality woman for 25 years. Just calling it like I see it. Opinions are just that, no need to feel butt hurt lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 06:15 AM
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I think you will see a lot of lonely, bitter women in the coming years. Too prideful to admit that they f'd up big time trying to emulate promiscuous men. Many of them will likely be dependent on the state with several kids from different fathers, especially after the recent supreme court ruling. It's a sad, self inflicted wound but choices have consequences. There's a reason that slut shaming has been a thing throughout all of history, and primarily from other women. Female elders have utterly …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:02 AM
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I was just responding to your post. I think there's a, ahem, slight difference between instant gratification when it comes to eating versus having sex lol. But apparently the latter is just recreation to you so perhaps not so much. If you want to destroy your ability to pair bond with a future partner and have a higher statistical chance of infidelity, no one is stopping you. I'm also a believer in quality over quantity, and enjoying intimacy with someone you truly care about. That is among the …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 10:04 PM
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Your life sounds like a colossal waste of time. No offense. One day you'll wake up and realize that all that fucking around did absolutely nothing but damage you for long term relationships. But hey, enjoy all that shallow instant gratification for now, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 06:02 AM
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Strange hot women are always more attractive than familiar hot women, hence why players keep playing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 09:30 PM
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It's been a painful realization for me that it's actually us men who are the hopeless romantics, and women are the sex-obsessed deviants of the genders. I mean I always knew there were gigolos and players out there, but they are a very small percentage of men. It's a startlingly high percentage of women engaging in similar behavior. I only recently realized the effects of online dating, and Tinder in particular, on the sex and relationship habits of the younger generations. This was due to a ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:26 AM
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But leanness is correlated with high fitness, and that feels far better than just being strong, especially lean AND strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 03:48 AM
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I honestly don't understand how guys can forget their morals just to "clap some cheeks". These women are expert manipulators and are nothing but trouble, and you're playing with fire screwing around with them. Perhaps I'm just old school but you better be careful. It goes without saying to bring your own raincoat.
/r/TheRedPill31/05/22 11:59 PM
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Exactly. I'm old enough at 52 to verify that this is true. I've had the fortune to be married for 25 years with the resources to travel the world on a regular basis, and engage in some interesting and rewarding hobbies. That said, our highlight by far has been watching our son grow and develop into a young man, and spending as much time as we can with him. What is important changes over time, but generally revolves around family for most people. I grieve for the younger generations given these s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 01:00 AM
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I don't believe that most people have some magical switch that selects between "meaningful" and "casual" when it comes to sex. But hey, perhaps you're unique. Regarding cheating, if you've invested yourself emotionally and financially, for years, into a relationship or marriage, I suspect you would be singing a different tune. And you would be much more choosy the next time around.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:44 AM
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Most reasonable people would agree that promiscuous people are FAR more likely to cheat than "sexually prude" folks in relationships. I'm pretty sure that marriage and divorce statistics also back that up. Of course no one intends to commit adultery on their relationship partner, unless they're shitty people. What I'm saying is that a viewpoint of sex as something that is special, intimate and reserved solely for the one that you love and/or are committed to, is one massive guard rail when it co…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:34 AM
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That's all well and good, but actions speak louder than words. When considering a prospective partner to invest in (emotionally, financially, etc) it's an absolute must to understand their views on sex and intimacy. Something that is a major part of any healthy relationship. Someone with an extensive sexual history, say more past partners than their age for the sake of argument, it's much more likely that they view sex as recreational. That's by definition less special and intimate, and is a mas…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:07 AM
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Good to know. However, if you do LTR a woman that sleeps around, don't be surprised when she sleeps around on YOU. It's just meaningless sex after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 01:35 AM
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One day you might grow up a bit and understand why most people feel that way about promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 01:29 AM
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"it's meaningless" she says referring to sex. There you have it. This is precisely the mindset you want to avoid when it comes to LTRs. I mean, what's wrong with a little cheating, it was meaningless...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 01:26 AM
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Right or wrong is subjective. However, someone treating sex like meaningless recreation while another views it as special and intimate, is a massive disconnect. That alone is a pretty damn good reason to know a prospective partner's history.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 12:59 AM
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You're twisting slut revulsion into slut envy somehow? Rather, it seems like you have a vested interest in defending slutty behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 12:55 AM
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I'm not sure why you're choosing to be such a champion for promiscuity, but the vast majority of men find it repulsive. Always have and always will. "80% of men would have extremely high body counts if they could" is simply projection on your part. There's no evidence for such a ridiculous assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 12:35 AM
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You're right, it's creepy and weird to care about someone's past, when it is past behavior that is the best predictor for the future. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 12:20 AM
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What constitutes a "high N" depends on the person. If the average woman wants to whore it up and act like a prostitute thanks to the ease and anonymity of OLD, well then she doesn't deserve the average man who probably has standards. That's when her "preferred" choices dry up, of course lol. Her choices, her consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:33 PM
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LTR != Casual flings. Their past absolutely matters, as it is the best predictor of the future for both women and men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:02 PM
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Women apparently want to have their fun with one type of man, and then settle later on with a completely different type of man. That's beyond fucked up when you think about it. Extremely selfish and irresponsible at a minimum, so don't be surprised that normal people are not OK with it. Choices have consequences as most of these loose women will discover. If you told some random person from just a few decades ago that that could be a future reality, they wouldn't believe you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 10:05 PM
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The whole "AF/BB" thing is beyond ridiculous even if certain aspects of it are true. Gentlemen, if you feel overlooked or invisible in dating, you really don't want the attention of these women anyways. Let them chase their "Chads". It is futile and they will likely be f'd up and full of regret in the long run. They are shallow and weak, and will be bored in any normal LTR. We know what such boredom leads to and you don't want that. It's much better to focus on other things, set goals and pursue…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 08:42 PM
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Sex is just sex. Sometimes it is meh and other times it's great, or even mind blowingly good. There's a lot of factors that go into "quality", external and internal. More important is the closeness I feel with my partner, but maybe that's just me. It might be my age (52) but I don't get the fixation some people have with doing the deed. It makes me think they must not have much else going on in their lives to look forward to, which is sad. I suppose sex might be something entirely different to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 08:11 PM
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Absolutely agree on the gym people. I know because I was a gym rat myself (way back) in high school and college. I recall thinking I was the shit when I hit about 225 lbs and getting looks. I tried running stadium stairs for cardio at one point and literally thought I might die halfway up the first rep lol. That was a wakeup call and I bought a road bike shortly after. After decades of cycling, and more recently triathlon, I'm an endurance/cardio junkie and always will be. There's simply nothing…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 07:41 PM
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As a cyclist, I'll say female cyclists have my favorite body type. Typically in great shape and lean in all the right spots. Mentally, the majority of them seem to have it together.. both genders. Which is no surprise as cycling is the best therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 04:48 PM
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Agreed, this is close to ideal for a feminine physique in my opinion. My wife's body is similar and she just eats well and walks a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 04:27 PM
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It matters. A high-N from mostly hook-ups is fucking disgusting and degenerate. Just nasty. However, lots of failed relationships indicates poor judgement or other negative attributes. So that's bad, just not as bad as pure, unbridled hedonism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 10:16 PM
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If it's true that most people are meeting these days via online dating apps, and the dating apps are reporting data that is even remotely accurate, the average women is having a lot more sex than the average man. Median != Mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 09:33 PM
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Bingo. You can try to tell women that there are plenty of good men who want LTRs. But they can't wrap their heads around the fact that those men are basically invisible to them because, wait for it, they are blinded by superficial qualities. So, all of them chasing the few superficially attractive men results in said men becoming noncommittal. Shocker.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 09:25 PM
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All else equal, do you think N-count has any influence on a person's capacity to cheat on a partner? Male or female. High N defined as say 30+ vs low N less than 5. Think about it and use common sense. Sex is completely different for most individuals in these groups of people. Something special and intimate vs recreational or a hobby. That's a massive difference in compatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 08:29 PM
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That's true, and I've seen it first hand. Some of the most miserable people are the "former player" gigolo type. Of course, this is happening with women too on a much larger scale. There are far more promiscuous women than men these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 07:24 PM
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You're sounding very bitter. Perhaps your poor view of men is correlated to your choices in dating? Ignore all the normal, "boring" guys and then complain about being played by players? Newsflash, most men are not players but alas, they appear to be invisible to women like you...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 06:51 PM
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I'm not remotely religious, but even I feel it's not fair to paint an entire group based on the actions of a few bad apples. There are healthy reasons to deny urges and go through periods of celibacy. The self mastery is quite satisfying, and sex after such a period can feel amazing. Quality over quantity any day, especially given the floozies out there who are a libido killer. Yuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 08:50 PM
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OLD seems to be largely about f-boys and the girls that chase them, which sadly appears to be most women. That entire game revolves around extreme superficiality and toxic masculinity, which women claim to abhor but at the same time are attracted to. It's a hot mess, and I believe the declining marriage and LTR statistics reflect this. Best bet for normal guys who are "invisible" is to not get involved in it. Dating can be a huge drain on time and resources anyway, especially in this time of hig…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 08:25 PM
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It is bizarre to read through this thread. Like, has dating and sex become some sort of level-based video game? So many women giving into hedonistic urges cannot be good in the long run. So many men, average by definition, being left out will not end well either. This almost seems like one giant social experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 06:20 AM
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For many women, it goes well past 22/23 due to the ease and anonymity of OLD. It's something that is difficult to overlook for those "incels and redpillers" who were themselves overlooked for so long. Don't be surprised if toxic masculinity becomes something that is much more prevalent, when it is women who appear to crave it based on their dating habits.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 06:42 PM
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My wife makes $110k and I $150k (both engineers), but neither of us are particularly materialistic nor big spenders, aside from world travel a couple times a year. I've been with her since we were poor college students, so I have no clue what she would think if I wasn't a high earner. I like to think that wouldn't change anything lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 01:43 AM
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Good grief, some people are so oblivious. Many guys are putting themselves out there and doing all the things. Problem is, due to them lacking superficial qualities that women apparently look for in OLD (looks, height, etc) they are overlooked/invisible. Of course, the flipside is all these women chasing players and then whining that they're being played. It's quite comical.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 08:55 PM
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Honestly, after 20+ years together our frequency has gone way down. The quality is still high, probably due to high physical fitness on both our parts. I think the main issue for us is our different bed times, primarily due to work schedules. We are often get physical/flirty with each other throughout the day since we both WFH. We say "later", which usually doesn't come to pass. It's on us (mainly me) to better coordinate sleep schedules. There are other issues such as high work stress.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 08:37 PM
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Multi dating and threesomes are ok, but porn is a yellow flag? I just had to LOL at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 11:15 PM
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It's because they've become accustomed to (superficially attractive, of course) men way above their level who date down for the purpose of easy sex. These girls are thus ruined because they are no longer attracted to men on they're own level. A self inflicted wound that will end in loneliness and missing out on some of the best things in life, involving a partner. Average guys, by definition the vast majority, are the collateral damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 09:13 AM
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Thanks for the explanation, as I've never done the tinder thing. I don't know whether to laugh or cry about the gamification of dating. Probably both. It sounds like a huge ongoing sociological experiment being done on actual people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 12:00 AM
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My point was that I don't think we would have such intimacy if strong feelings weren't also involved, although I may be losing track of what we're debating lol. I acknowledge that times have changed and people may be more guarded and distant now. Anyway, the post-sex connection and vulnerable closeness couldn't happen without the sex part. Those feelings are complex and can be a bit euphoric. So yes they are intricately linked, whether or not you consider it part of the sex process. That's my vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 09:31 PM
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Ok I disagree there. For most women IRL, pure looks are not sufficient unless maybe they are at the very tip top of men. Or, has modern dating changed that much? In that case, yikes. Prospects are not good.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 08:33 PM
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I suspect a good chunk of these 'tinder studs' wouldn't be so successful out there IRL. But hey, there are classes/methods for that too so who knows. They would certainly have to work harder, rather than having thirsty girls delivered to them on a silver platter. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 08:17 PM
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No judgement on that from me. And my idea of what romance is has certainly evolved from when I was a teen and twenty-something. However, it's hard for me to even imagine what sex would feel like without strong feelings involved. Like masturbation maybe? For my wife and I, post-sex physical closeness/intimacy and talking is extremely powerful. Perhaps one of the best parts. I don't think it would feel that way if we didn't have a strong connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 08:02 PM
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In my own defense, I was a bit of a hopeless romantic who usually fell for his GFs. Lol I've matured a lot since those days. Most of them eventually dumped me, so I had to keep looking until I found the right one. I don't preach avoiding relationships. God no. I do think that casual hookup sex is not the answer and is actually very damaging long term for both men and women, for so many reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 07:50 PM
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With the caveat that I've never engaged in hookup sex myself, I can envision it being awfully close to masturbation and porn at times. At least from a guy's point of view.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 07:40 PM
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This is why I try not to judge women too harshly, although I fail on that sometimes. Temptation in the age of loneliness is a powerful thing. If the tables were turned and it was much easier for men to hookup online, of course the vast majority of them would be uber promiscuous. It's a separate debate as to the ramifications of promiscuity on either sex. I just wish that both sides would try harder to understand the other on this. That is the path forward IMHO.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 07:32 PM
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That's a bit harsh. It's a plain fact that online dating appears to be extremely difficult for most men. Just going off numbers and the polar opposite experience for men vs women. I dated pre-OLD and I was pretty confident and did ok. I had my share of rejections but also successes. However, if I had experienced the constant rejection that many guys experience today, I don't know what would've happened. Maybe I would've become an "incel" myself. I just don't know, so I can't judge these guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 07:09 PM
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I believe it is in online dating where this "attraction" factor is much more pronounced. It is there where physical looks and other superficial qualities are emphasized. Out in the wild, aka IRL, it's a whole nother ballgame.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 06:44 PM
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Some women are the prize. Other women, especially these days, are decidedly not a prize.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 06:36 PM
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Sex is still special to me, or at least I think it is. Maybe it's more of a mindset. A high N count doesn't help there. Sex and intimacy in a healthy relationship, with connection and compatibility between partners, can be pretty phenomenal though. I guess that was my main point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 06:16 PM
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Oh come on, I never said she was horrible. In fact, she was pretty great to hang out with. As well as go out to the bars and dancing and stuff. We were just less compatible, sexually. She knew what she liked and what worked for her, so preferred to go straight to that. Shrug, that's fine but I liked to mix things up sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 06:08 PM
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It's kinda sad to me that sex and intimacy has lost its specialness for so many people. It didn't have to be that way. One reason I think casual sex is unnatural and unhealthy, not to mention low class and unattractive. Before marrying my (n=1) wife, I had dated women with varying numbers of prior partners. One had a rather high count of 20 and sex always seemed a bit of a chore for her, honestly. She was always more focused on getting herself off, although she was so much fun when it came to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 05:53 AM
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Oh yeah, also roaming around the dark sky sites of eastern Oregon "astro camping" in our RV. Meaning astrophotography and using our 12" dobsonian telescope for visual astronomy. Also want to get back to doing some video gaming again, and world travel every year like we did before the virus put an end to that. So much to do, so little time. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 05:36 AM
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Cycling and triathlon for decades. Recently, an indoor virtual cycling platform called Zwift. The most amazing thing ever, in my view. All types of rides at all hours of day and night, from social/easy fat burning rides, to targeted training zone or interval rides, to races. Or, just tooling around solo amongst all the other virtual riders. I ride late at night NA hours so most of my virtual riding buddies are based in Europe. All riders have country flag next to their name, which is pretty cool…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 05:30 AM
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We probably should start off by defining what exactly is a "hoe phase". Is it <10 partners, or 25? 100??? Obviously, the more past partners, the deeper the underlying issues driving this behavior. Those who engage in this stuff don't upset me. I truly feel sorry for them, and their futures. However, I am upset at the app companies like Tinder who have invested heavily to normalize the toxic hookup lifestyle, and to make it appear like all the cool kids are doing it. They've done tremendous damag…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 06:31 AM
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I think this is a big factor. After chasing random sex experiences like an out of control adrenaline junkie, how can that not ruin any and all future LTR vanilla sex? I guess it depends on degree. Are we talking a "hoe phase" of <10 partners? 20? 100?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 01:58 AM
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Uh, most people's lives do not revolve around sex acts, weird kinks and promiscuity. That's the realm of Hoes and other sex addict adrenaline junkies. Skanky behavior is rightly recognized as unhealthy and unattractive by most normal people. But hey, you do you and keep calling those who don't agree with that lifestyle "frustrated incels". Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 01:43 AM
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I think this is a very good point. Let's face it, sex in LTRs is mundane at times. No matter how you try to spice it up, especially after decades of marriage. That is normal and part of the relationship dynamic. Sort of like how any new shiny loses its lustre after a period of time. These Hoes chasing after exciting new guys all the time are basically adrenaline junkies. They are engaging in behavior that, in addition to the myriad of real risks you mention, could permanently stunt sexual feelin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 01:14 AM
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A "hoe phase" is just straight up, unbridled sex addiction in my view. Basically, weak minded people giving into their primal urges. It's neither healthy nor attractive, and is probably a strong indication of underlying mental issues. A high physical libido (SES lol whatever) can be handled by a relationship partner, and/or toys and hands. Most people engaging in this behavior are seeking some sort of validation. So yes, slut shaming (of men too!) is healthy for society as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 12:55 AM
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Ahhh my apologies, I had the impression you were much younger. I agree on all points except the long term consequences of "hookup culture". Time will tell how that plays out, but I stand by belief that it is producing generations of deeply broken people, and doing tremendous damage to marriage and the family unit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 04:03 PM
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Are you a Vulcan? Jk. :) I don't agree that all women are exactly the same on this, but point taken that many women may feel this way subconsciously. It sound a bit sociopathic, and possibly because those individuals been hurt and damaged by giving out those feelings themselves in the past. I think many young people confuse love with lust, with the latter being little more than a physical infatuation with another person. Love is a stronger connection on multiple levels that transcends the small …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 03:10 PM
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Sorry, but high-n women, and men for that matter, are considered gross by most people. Being so unable to control primal urges and engage in unhealthy behavior is low class and unattractive. These folks probably have underlying mental issues, and have a high probability of infidelity in future relationships. Not only according to statistics, but to common sense as well. It's sort of like shopping for a used car. You're likely much better off with low mileage, than a high mileage used car.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 07:27 AM
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Perhaps not the textbook definition of anxiety, but more of a general nervousness/worry, constantly playing out possible scenarios in one's mind. I grew up under difficult, stressful circumstances which is why I believe I think this way. I do believe it has benefits. It's helped me recognize a mental condition early on in a loved one. In one of my jobs I anticipated layoffs in my division and reacted. I also (very roughly) predicted the GFC in '08 and rebalanced our asset allocation. That was a …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 04:12 AM
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I can attempt to answer that one. Many high achievers do feel a fair amount of general anxiety which can be perceived as insecurities, myself included. I view it as a defense mechanism, in that it has helped me anticipate certain events that could've been difficult, if not catastrophic. Across the spectrum from family and friend issues to career, to overall economy/market conditions. That said, it's super important to balance anxiety with healthy habits to keep it in check. In my case, endurance…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 02:29 AM
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The game is not stacked against men. But it is stacked against men who don't know what they are doing; who fall in love easily; That is pretty sad state of affairs, if you ask me. Back in the day (the 90s), I was a bit of a hopeless romantic and I did fall pretty hard for most of my GFs. In fact, many of us couldn't divorce sex from feelings very easily. Luckily, in those days dating wasn't so mechanical and cut throat as it seems to be now. Girls appreciated those feelings and didn't view it as…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 01:59 AM
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The current "dating" scene is such a mess. It appears to be uber competitive for average young males, while the main challenge for young women is to remain selective and not give in to primal urges. Neither is easy, in this era of instant gratification, superficial, gamified online dating. To the men in particular, I would suggest forgetting about, or at least scaling way back on, the dating. Work on improving yourself in terms of gaining physical fitness, pursuing challenging hobbies and an edu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 08:38 PM
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This attitude here, is one reason America is on the decline. Somewhere along the way it became uncool for us men to attend college and strive for white collar careers. Studying is womanly? How in the heck does one acquire technical or scientific knowledge and (finally) grasp difficult concepts without the ability to maintain focus for hours on end? Particularly in STEM fields. It's good that women seem to be picking up the slack to a degree, but it's not enough. Men trying to be entrepreneurial,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 07:44 PM
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How would you all feel if your 19 year old daughter suddenly started hooking up with different random dudes weekly on Tinder. Asking for a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 07:10 AM
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Promiscuity is being marketed and normalized by dating app companies all for the almighty $. The futures of our young people be damned. It's so counterintuitive. I mean, why should anyone desire a person whose vagina/cock has been given out freely in the past. Not to mention promiscuity is usually a sign of deeper, underlying issues and a higher probability of future infidelity. It ain't worth it, just as a low mileage used car is preferred over a high mileage used car.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 09:44 PM
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