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I have a 32 year old woman simping after me like a dog right now. They will take anything 40-50 that showers them with attention. I mean it's nowhere near dating a 21 year old like when you are a kid, but it's....something, I guess. For illustration, Taylor Swift is like 30, 31 years old. So it's not like being 40 is horrible. But you aren't going to be getting 21 year olds a la the Richard Cooper grift. Such is life!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 10:20 AM
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I am a writer and was in a band: cute, short term young girlfriend who backs up your ideas and vison or comes to the shows is a huge benefit. I still keep love letters I got 10, 20 years ago that really built me up What we are getting at is male ego here, and having a woman enjoy your work (at least as an artist) makes you feel like a king. Big dopamine hits beyond just the sex. She is validating you on a higher level. Just my take.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 03:37 AM
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Oh, that sucks. I hope she is ok. I might have cancer, too....waiting on tests. Horrible. I was kind of a distant boyfriend and it became obvious that I wasn't a good long term catch as far as resources. I also drank a lot. I honestly sort of dreaded the prospect of moving in and supporting her, because she was pushing for marriage. We just imploded after a bad Valentine's Day date. She was pretty good to me, though. She went on to ride the C.C. (and I mean, why not? Good for her.) with a bunch …
/r/TheRedPill31/12/21 12:50 AM
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Yeah...I was 31 or 32 at the time, so not even in my prime. And only a dorky Chadlite, to be honest. But right girl, right time. 24 year old pin up model type chick...Betty Page bullshit. Giant tits. It was like God "knew" and was making up for it. Lacked the emotional connection of the previous girl (thought we were "forever"), but it was hot chill sex for two years. Amazing. I'm glad this happened for you, too. I thought I was doomed, too, cuz the previous one broke up with me within a few wee…
/r/TheRedPill31/12/21 12:40 AM
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I was able to transform into a River Phoenix pretty boy around 20 by simply switching from clunky glasses to contacts. I slayed in my 20's while never leaning how to drive, almost always living with my parents, usually being unemployed and also being an alcoholic with bi-polar. I did, however, keep my hair on point and I always wore decent Western style dress shirts for a little rockabilly effec. This is pure cope, you are either hot while young or not. This is some Richard Cooper stuff. It won'…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 12:33 AM
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Well, perhaps not the Christian god, more like the old idea of fate or The Wheel of Fortune. It can be kind to young men who have just been dumped, if you put yourself back out there. You never know what you might catch in youth....could be a goodie.
/r/TheRedPill30/12/21 09:58 AM
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Just as an aside: I got dumped by a baby face blonde girl who I thought was "the one" when I was 29. Spent a year wallowing in my own bullshit and bar hopping. A year later, I ended up in a two year thing with a goth/pin up chick who was 24, had huge, fake tits, and blew my mind in bed. Absolute sex bomb. She was also super chill: it was the most peaceful and sexually fulfilling two years of my life. I just say this to give younger guys hope; you never know what could pop up next. God sometimes …
/r/TheRedPill30/12/21 03:17 AM
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Nah, the best thing to do is actually fuck a lot of women in youth (18-35ish) and then grow old in peace, knowing you slayed on the battlefield. And let them marry some beta provider guy. Everything else is just cope. It's amazing the mental gymnastics young guys in their 20's have to do to cope with the fact that they aren't banging young girls. What a world. 2001, take me away....
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 06:27 AM
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Yeah...I would legit 1.) approach hot hipster girl and then 2.) be invited over for intercourse or to watch Dave Chappelle Show (which was huge, btw). Different times, different face. Different White Stripes outtake that "hits" just right when you are drunk at a bar. What do you think the hope is for you guys? We had ours....
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:29 PM
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The goddamn pumpkin socks went to her upper knees. She was a Jewish goth JAP with a baby face and curly, black hair. 18 years old. What's under the pumpkin socks? Her calves. Where do the pumpkin socks lead to? Her thighs. What's above the thighs? Where to the pumpkin socks lead to? What area of her body is this all indicating towards? If you go underneath the pumpkin socks, what is there? Her pale, white feet, right? What could they look like? What are her toes like? What color toenail polish d…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:06 PM
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The particular girl I am thinking of came over to my house in 2002. A friend brought her over. She was wearing orange socks with Halloween pumpkins on them and I though I was going to have a heart attack. I looked like River Phoenix and was in my early 20's and played in a rockabilly band. She was 18 and looked like Betty Page, I could tell by her shit eating grin that we were going to be together. I simply got her AIM screen name, bullshit seduced her for about a week and sealed a relationship …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 01:59 PM
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I am probably handing out boomer 2000's emo kid advice. People back then dated. It's just what you did. Ugly girl with ugly guy, medium guy with medium girl, hot people with the hot. Everyone knew their lane. This is what incels call "looksmatches". Most people in 2001 went out to a coffee house or a punk show hoping to get into a 1950's style "Happy Days" relationship. These were much simpler times. I "get it". You can't just drive around at 2am (slightly stoned or drunk) with your 6/10 girl-ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 11:40 AM
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Man, I will tell you kids something (42 male here). I thought I would be dead by 19. I had a scar near my genitals that gave me BDD and had severe mental illness. It took me until 21 to ascend (which I did, hardcore, mostly with 2000's scene girls). I made it my goal in life to just enjoy life while I still had it. In my 20's. When I was driving around at 1am with my goth girlfriend, I wasn't thinking about "alpha fucks/beta bucks". I wasn't worried about "holding frame". I wasn't worried about …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 12:36 AM
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You'll never stay on top forever, I guess. Just a wild ride. You can be hot and all that, and women will fawn over you for like a year, but if you don't have your money together or have substance/emotional problems, they will move on. Women want stability later on in life. If you can't give them that, you lose. Other side of that coin: she can always divorced you. So yes, no one wins.
/r/TheRedPill12/12/21 05:56 AM
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I was a pretty boy hipster who partied, drank and dated all through my 20's: life sucks after that. You will never get over it. Especially if you knew a lot of people and got really close to the women in your life. I yearn for that shit. I yearn for those times: 42 now. BUT...the beta bucks guys I see my ex's settling down with later in life appear happy. They go on trips, are buying houses together, I dunno. Me, I am all burned out. So it depends.
/r/TheRedPill12/12/21 05:50 AM
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It depends on the age of the guy. In his 20's, yeah, he is going to value sex over anything also. But also love. When you get to be my age (42), you would rather cuddle and chat. I want a woman to love and hug more than I want sex at this age. I am a strange guy, though. So it depends. Everyone is different. From 20-35ish, though, yeah: intimacy was sex and physical, not chit chat. Or the feeling that I could "protect" you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 01:05 AM
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I didn't even know what this was and was "blue pilled" from over a decade of pretty positive experience with mating/dating (but don't fit a provider role, so women tended to leave after a year). I loved and still love young women. I only got pulled into this because it was telling me "marriage is a raw deal" and I was using to to cope from a failed almost-marriage at 32. It's absurd how deeply you get sucked into this. Based off like a ten second random video encounter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 01:35 PM
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btw, I am exactly like this: I am still in love with a 24 year old I dated when I was 30 and a drunk. Men never get over it; women wanna fuck an alpha. The same shit over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 09:12 AM
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"The Virgin Suicides" (which is now widely taught on campus) also touches on this: middle aged losers can't get over thinking about young, crazy women who lived alone in a house together in high school. Married guys with kids and they still obsess about women they remember from age 15.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 09:08 AM
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I have a B.A in English (and I write) and my reading of men in lit is usually reading about a dude who idealizes a girl he knew or dated in youth. A la Gatsby. I am like this, too. For women, on the other hand, it's usually about a girl who cheats with an alpha. Or can't get over an alpha from her youth ("The Dead" by James Joyce nails this).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 09:07 AM
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Ok I was missing the part where they actually cross paths. My reading of it was that he loves his cousin, never says shit about it (very beta) and then just marries some boring woman who he isn't into. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 09:04 AM
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Isn't "The Age of Innocence" about how a guy never get over his cousin? And marries another women, and never tells the cousin, but dies still in love with her? It's been years since I read it. I read it as a guy who never gets over a woman that he doesn't even have the guts to hit on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 08:46 AM
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"Madame Bovary" nailed AF/BB all the way back in the 1800's. Bored, married housewife falls for rich asshole to cheat on husband with. Strangely, most male centered fiction is about how men idealize women and never get over them. "The Great Gatsby". "The Age of Innocence". Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 07:29 AM
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Yeah, you could start talking to a girl at midnight and she would get dropped off by 2am. Stupid easy, plus they knew no one was going to find out. You could easily suss out the total sloots on AIM at like three in the morning. They were up, haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 02:35 AM
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I was lucky enough to be AF as a kid and dated some (pretty amazing, by today's standards) 2000's hipsters: women prefer men FIVE or maybe SEVEN years older. I wish people in RP circles would get this. Same with men. So a 22 year old woman is going to want to date a 27 year old. Not a 40 year old. It sucks, it's not yr Playboy fantasy (I am 42), but this is what women mean by "older men". I little bit older, but in their same demographic, same music and movies, etc. Pretty good post, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 12:55 PM
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I was a pretty boy as a kid and got with my fair share: "abusive" (I am convinced) is just a shaming term thrown around at young, good looking men who are dating, but have other priorities in life, and don't want to be transformed into a beta bucks. Meaning if you are young, artistic, have hobbies, whatever, this is going to be thrown at you. Without actually "abusing" anyone. This used to be reserved for actual wife beaters, but not any kid who has other shit going on (band, DJ, art, school) wi…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/11/21 06:35 PM
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I was a scum bag alcoholic Chad as a kid (so very blessed), and I never had the cash to BB later in the game. HOWEVER, if I did? Why not just string them along and then ditch after awhile? You can almost be AF doing this. Just ding-along-dong 30-33 year old hotties until you get too old to play ball. Sound feasible to me, but what the fuck do I know? I am old and ugly now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 06:19 PM
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I would tell you to walk to the punk show at the independent coffee shop down the street and hit on your pink haired looksmatch so you could could spend an epic year dating, but you know.... it's not the fall of 2000 anymore. Although I wish it was. Mainly because I wasn't fat and old. In all seriousness, try to make the most of it. Get out if you can, even if it isn't with females. Create memories, live. Maybe travel is the way for you guys? I know fucking a goth girl for 12 months might not be…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 05:05 PM
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I did it from like 18-21. Three years, about. I had moved to another city and left my friends behind. Took meeting a whole new friend group to get a GF, people to party with, etc. Up until then I would just watch TV and early net, I guess. Very boing. People have been doing this since the 90.s But not as many as now (30 percent, I bet?). Sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 03:46 PM
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Yeah, it's bad out there. When I was 21, three of us would go out in a pack. The mall, book stores, record stores, shows. Trying to get AIM screen names. Cold approach was 100% acceptable when I was a kid: there was no other avenue to meet people. Get that AIM screen name and take it from there. The worst she could do was politely say no. I met every woman I dated in the 2000's through social circle or cold approach, face to face. Bars, punk shows, whatever. It was a blast. These are different t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 02:00 PM
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I think it is lookism and a lot of young men giving up. I don't understand this "blah" attitude towards women when you are 20-26 years old. Like "blah, I will just play Nintendo". I was biologically driven to go out and date and mate, even though I had alcoholism, bi-polar, severe depression, social anxiety, etc. I was persistent. So I think part of it is men giving up too easily, which must (somewhat) be due to lower T count for these guys. Because when I was a kid 20 years ago, we were ALWAYS …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 08:57 AM
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I tended to just date the alcoholic. I dated three hard core drinkers for a year each when I was a kid. This is a pretty safe bet. You just drink together every night and have sex. Pass out, wake up in the morning. As far as a one night stand, yeah: that is pretty dicey. When I was a kid in the 2000's, this was just par for the course though. Awkward goodbye and you never see them again. Today I am sure it is much riskier.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/11/21 08:18 AM
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I'm 42 and my first girlfriend in 2000 was an 18 year old, loud mouth, chainsmoking, beer drinking, left wing, pro-gay, pro-feminist loud mouth who always started fights with people. And had different colored hair every week. At that time I thought it was "cute" and agreed with a lot of her talking points about female liberation. 20 years later, I am not so sure.....
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/11/21 09:17 AM
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It was a "thing" women I knew did to be cool in the 2000's, but yeah, I am noticing it more now. It's partly because they keep pushing this 200 gender/gender confusion ideal. Everyone wants to get in on those brownie points. Just being straight and white is boring, man.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/11/21 09:14 AM
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God, when I was 23, I was dicking around in community college and dating an 18 year old Jewish virgin. Back in the 2000's. It's amazing how fast these females live. I was still a child back then; I could barely figure out what was going on around me. Dumb and not even ready for state uni, just the local CC. Wow.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/11/21 09:12 AM
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I'll one up that: some guy with low self esteem (but non-Chad) was messing around with this girl, for sure. But in the back of his mind he was like "god...why am I doing this?". On some level he felt bad about it. As soon as he found out she was knocked up, he hit nightmare mode and bailed. That's my take.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/11/21 09:04 AM
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I was a potential dead beat dad as a kid: these women just say that stuff to excuse the fact that they are attracted to an unemployed loser. They must know, on some level, that this person isn't going to work out. If someone has been "looking around" for work the entire time you have been dating, that's a red flag.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/11/21 09:01 AM
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No, and drug and alcohol use is SEVERLY under rated by these communities. I was 1.) a Chad and 2.) an alcoholic as a kid, and you would be amazed how many women in their 20's are in active alcoholism and addiction. Well dressed, good looking girls who you would never know drank. You couldn't tell I drank as a kid: I was always clean cut, hair gelled, dress shirt, etc. At least half of the women I dated as a kid were full blown alcoholics, and probably still are. Nightly drinking behind closed do…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/11/21 08:58 AM
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When I was young and dumb, I had sex with 1.) the girl I sat next to at a phone sales job and 2.) my neighbor in college, while drunk, the night after her boyfriend dumped her. Both turned out to be a very, very bad idea. I also briefly dated a girl I was taking an English class with in college, which I must have been out of my mind to do. Because I had to see her all the time after we broke up. I have no idea what I was thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 02:16 PM
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42 here: it was just as bad (maybe worse?) 20 years ago. Everyone was sneaking around on AIM late and night fucking everyone. It was easy to get a 2000's scene girl to come over and sleep with you. Sex was all over the place. People just dated more in between, which was "official". But it's been a sex fest for at least 20 years now. 2000 was INSANE: Brittney, Xtina, sex all over the place. It just wasn't as talked about, but everyone knew through gossip. Women also weren't as open about it and d…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 11:01 AM
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Yeah...when women post here, I sometimes question why I even post on MGTOW shit. Maybe just to be a dick? Women were wonderful to me as a kid: I was in a band, and basically got to date a lot of cool women for free. I love the fact that young women get to pick who they have a romance with, it's true freedom. What I find with a lot of Red Pill and MGTOW guys is that they never had an success with women in the first place. And listen, you are going to get old, you are going to have health problems…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 10:59 AM
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I am older and was in the same boat in the 2000's, although we still did shit under the umbrella of "boyfriend/girlfriend" (but everyone was fucking everyone). The modern sexual liberation of women only sucks if 1.) you are a young guy who isn't being chosen by young women and 2) you desire a marriage and kids. If you are a decent looking guy and just want to have fun in youth, there has never been a better time than the post-2000, post-internet dating market. A guy like me would have been DEAD …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 10:55 AM
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42 year old guy who shit posts Red Pill stuff: going to have to agree with you. When I was a kid in 2000, the booming internet and the sexual independence of women was the greatest thing that ever happened to me. I was poor, but charming and cute, so I dated incredible, cool women. I loved every girl I dated and we had a blast. Guys like me can't "make it" in a trad con, 1950's model, because we can't provide. We are artists, musicians, indie guys. At least when I was a kid. So think god women g…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 10:51 AM
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I didn't start dating until 21 and yeah, once you get one year long thing under your belt and have some social circle (at least when I was a kid in the 2000's), dating becomes easy. You can go from one girl to the next for like ten years. I mastered the art of year long, drunken, bad relationships. Bam bam bam. So yeah, that first relationship really shoots you in the right direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 10:16 AM
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I think men need the Red Pill information about marriage to temper any long term Blue Pill fantasy of "the perfect marriage", but decent looking young dudes who use protection shouldn't be turned off from dating a young woman for a year or two. These can be the best times of youth. I dunno....seems to make a lot of young people paranoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 10:00 PM
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I got into Red Pill and manosphere stuff around 34, after over a dozen years of very fun, alcohol fueled dating and sex adventures. I really enjoyed the women I dated. For me, I was having trouble coping with the loss of a fiancé/potential marriage, so shit posting about women and sharing stories with other dudes was fun for me. The marriage horror stories helped me cope. In hindsight, I was mostly talking to bitter divorced men who went through a custody battle or lifelong incels. People who re…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 09:04 AM
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I know, it's weird: a house with a mortgage, a kid, cars, the whole shebang. My very obese (but low N count) writer friend who grew up with us is always livid about these girls. "How did this slut find a husband?". She's not wrong. I'm going to assume it's lies/he never asks. Or some guys are just super liberal now and don't care about her past....which seems hard to believe.... One goth girl who fucked every guy in my old band (and isn't even that hot) is now a librarian, full time mom, rich be…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/11/21 08:26 AM
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The girls I dated who settled down with a boring, stable guy later in life were never mega slutty, even as kids, no. Oddly enough, some of the biggest sluts I knew back in the 2000's later married well and now have a kid and the stable family life. They all wear cat lady glasses and have young children. I'm assuming they cover up their past lives pretty well. Or the guy never asks. Or they lie about it. I dunno. I always find this comical.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/11/21 07:16 AM
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Family money is possible, yeah. I'm seeing a lot of vacations being taken and property being purchased, whatever is going on. The smart women in my social circle all have gone the BB route. The really dumb ones are like 36 and still renting with roomates and chasing Hawt Guys. So I can't shit on the move, it makes sense.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/11/21 04:25 AM
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I can never figure out what they do: one guy does some sort of camera work on films. Not IT guys. My ex's were all alternative rock/leftist/hipster chicks, so there is also that connection. Because these guys are hipsters. So yeah, he may be fat and ugly, but he likes Sonic Youth, The Pixies, Nirvana, whatever. I'm sure that was what started the whole thing off, mutual interests.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/11/21 04:03 AM
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It comes from both ends, though. I know the women I dated when I was young and we were both in our prime: very sensitive, artistic women who already felt like shit about their bodies at 18, 23 years old. Gorgeous girls at the time, but now that they are ACTUALLY old and chubby, God knows what kind of black hole they climb into. So a fat, bearded guy with a good job doesn't seem like a bad catch. And the bearded guy knows that he can't get any better...so there you go. A mediocre post-30's marria…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/11/21 01:03 AM
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All of my hipster, college educated ex's married balding, fat beta dudes with beards who look like cartoon characters. They do it for stability, and maybe there is a fraction of sex appeal at the beginning of the relationship. Some also have poor self image, themselves, from being chunky, and don't want to be lonely. Mostly, it's about money and financial security. The pretty boys, band boys and musicians of youth can't afford to buy a home together. So mostly money. I've seen this happen all th…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/11/21 12:20 AM
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Shitty dive bar that is mostly 40+ losers, but occasionally has 20 something chicks show up for shits and giggles. There are probably some near you. I was forced into this because it was my neighborhood bar, but it works. Someplace where you are basically Chad because nobody else is there. Old women will sleep with you, too. Some older guys get kind of hostile about a younger dude creeping in, so don't be a dick, though. That's their territory for romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 10:26 AM
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It could take like a month, like four weekends, before she shows up. I ended up dating "the love of my life" from this bar because I haunted it and she was out on the town doing dive bars the night we met. You just have to be really patient. This was in Florida, so everyone is old. Also cougar and older women will hit on you if you do this. Just make friends with all the old people. And be patient.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 10:23 AM
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Yeah...I was a Chadlite as a kid and always haunted this bar full of 40-60 year olds. I made friends with all of them: they were nice people and it was the only bar within walking distance to my house for years. Anyways, long story short: any time a young woman came into that bar I would usually go home with her. Because every other guy was 50. Lame way to meet women but it does work.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 09:32 AM
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I get this, actually: I would sometimes bring a girl home in college and then just sit up all night and talk, didn't even want sex. It's the knowing you could that is good enough. Dunno what to tell ya!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 10:27 PM
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I dated a girl who came close to the "manic pixie dream girl" trope you would see in movies like "Garden State": gorgeous baby face blonde, indie rock fan, totally supportive of my dreams and ambitions, very loving. She was also an alcoholic. And became very pushy at the end of it. I still obsess over this woman ten years later, but there is no "perfect" woman. She is now also 35ish and obese. So that charm never lasts. I've also dated two "Big tiddy goth" GF's, and wow: zzzzzzzzzzz. Some of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 08:48 PM
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Yeah, this makes a lot of sense. I've been knee deep (and dick deep) into many "alternative" scenes like goth, punk, 2000's scene kids, whatever. The bottom line with most of these groups is hyper conformity; everyone does the same exact thing. The real outliers are...out there!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 01:59 PM
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I'm not a dad, but two thoughts: 1.) You share actual DNA with your kid (hopefully, unless mom was a cheater), while you share no DNA with your wife. So your kid should come first, sure. Also, since divorce is so high...you might as well invest in your kid more than your wife. She can leave anyway. Just random thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 11:30 AM
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Yeah, I agree. Just suck it up. There isn't anything out there for you, anyways, at that point. The women will be single mothers and the guys will just be clueless about dating...and also have to wade through single moms. Grass is always greener, I guess!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 11:02 AM
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No, I didn't mean to point out a mistake, you are right is what I meant: no where in there does it say being married will make you "happy". If anything, from what I read, they tell you it's going to suck. You also (as per Jesus, himself) are not supposed to divorce unless there is adultery. Hardcore Christian preachers who don't water down the message will tell you that yes, that means even in an unhappy, shitty marriage, you are supposed to say (unless they cheat).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 10:55 AM
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Buddhism is the only religion I can think of that is KIND OF anti-marriage: there are statements to the effect that family life is bond similar to a cage or being tied down. I forget the exact quote. There are also stern warnings against sleeping with a married woman, so there is also some family stuff thrown in. Hardcore Buddhist monks, however, would consider family life (a "householder" they call it) to be a hindrance. First Corinthians, if you read it, actually warns AGAINST marriage. It say…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 10:49 AM
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The women I dated were the grand momma's of the modern Tic Tok indie hipster girl. They were the ultimate liberal arts stereotype. But so was I, as a kid. So we meshed well. Still, these women are all alike. Perhaps not true AWALT, although they all did AF/BB (as in fuck good looking losers as kids and then marry a beta guy for security in their 30's).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 05:53 AM
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Women I dated as a kid: indie rock and punk nerds or goth girls, heavy drinkers, very social, followed whatever social trend, totally LGBTQ/pro-choice supporters, always voted Democrat, feminist, tree hugger, sometimes vegan, YOLO, stay up late at night and drink, lots of sex, college/career girls, child free, later moved to Portland/Denver/NYC. Same story over and over and over again. All claimed to be "artists" while never making art. I mean, amazing women. I still love a lot of them. I had th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 05:44 AM
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I dated exclusively alternative rock/indie liberal hipster women as a kid. Girls who were "different". And they were all kinda the same. Same bands, same political ideas, same hippie or vegan outlook on life. Same YOLO philosophy. Great people, but they were AWALT. The one NAWALT I dated was a really obese, rather unattractive 30 year old I met when I was 40. She was an Episcopalian, a chemist, into genuinely weird stuff, acted like a grandmother and didn't have sex until she was 27. She was leg…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 05:16 AM
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I was a successful pretty boy Chad in my prime: I would freak out after break ups and think about the girl for years after. Lots of bad poetry. Men are sensitive about women and romance. At least I was. Not all guys are pump and dump assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 12:25 AM
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I can't speak for now, because I read that one third of young men are sexless, but 2000-2009 culture was probably the best time for hooking up and dating. I am 42 and have had more sex and experience with women than either my dad or my grandfather. The last twenty years have been really, really loose for women. And the LGBTQ life has never been this good.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 04:17 PM
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My kids, my kids, my kids! Good lord.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen14/11/21 07:48 PM
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I turned into an asshole, too. But IMO, if you don't live off them or get them pregnant, no big deal. The real assholes are the Chads who impregnate them in youth and then take off. I cared about all of my girlfriends. I think it's dick to knock them up and leave. Or live off them. Otherwise, game on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 07:45 PM
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I know dudes who have LIVED OFF fat women for TWENTY YEARS, so I don't feel that bad. I got some free shit and I needed rides (no car), but I never impregnated a woman or lived with/off her, so I don't feel that bad. The Chads who knock them up and leave them should feel bad. All I ever did was need shit like free rides or a place to hang out/drink. I would throw in gas money here or there. I was a prick, but I don't feel bad. They got the sex and affection they wanted. I have no money, if I had…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 07:41 PM
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It's only a few guys who can take advantage of it, though. Most men do the opposite: spend a shit load on women and get frienzoned or fucked in the end. You gotta be good looking to get simped on by young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 07:38 PM
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Yeah, you must be pretty, then. GF's would always baby me and help me to to get jobs, etc. After about a year, when I still didn't have a job, they would take off. I am also a writer and musician, and they would push me on that. 18-24 year old women are actually saints....to Chad. But I get where ugly men are coming from. I can't tell you how many free rides to places I got...not car.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 07:33 PM
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I have an incel tier, half Native American friend who married the fattest, ugliest chick in our high school. She has been financially supporting him for about 20 years now. He is an ex bandmate: she let him turn the garage into a rehearsal studio. The passion has worn out and they are mostly just room mates now. He spends most of the time making music in the garage and doesn't work. I believe he was also alcoholic for the first ten years they were together. No kids. Very unattractive people, bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 07:31 PM
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You must be good looking. When I was a kid, I was a real pretty boy and had a fear of driving. All of my ex's (up until the age of 30) would pick me up and drive me around. Basically like a taxi service. Women basically would mother me for like a year and help me "get back on my feet", etc. Women are nice...if you look nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 07:28 PM
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Yeah, I saw a bit of "American Beauty" awhile back after being a fan as a kid. No way would it pass. It makes the wife look like the villain, which is not kosher. It also has that subplot where the closeted gay neighbor army guy might not be a "good guy". He's sort of an abusive villain. And you can't have a "bad" gay character. That movie would never make it today. Ever ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 09:13 AM
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Jack Nicholson takes off on his pregnant girlfriend in "Five Easy Pieces" and he's the hero of the story. There are a few other post-hippie films about men leaving their families and looking cool doing so. "American Beauty" is another, he is the protagonist of the film. We are supposed to be rooting for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 08:57 AM
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I totally get that.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/11/21 03:43 AM
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Nah, I just play stupid. They seem to think they will "adopt" in their 40's, even though they don't have the money to do so. One girl bought a book about freezing your eggs the last time we went to the book store. I mean...you can't wait forever to have children. But they do.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/11/21 09:59 PM
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Nobody seems to do math on these: at 40 years old, you will be in charge of a teenager at fifty six. I am 42 and already too old and tired to bother with this stuff. Imaging mid to late fifties? I mean, Paris can afford to do it, but not many will be able to. You run out of energy.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/11/21 09:45 PM
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Yeah, "therapy" for everything. Even if you ask people for straight up advice, they will tell you to "see a therapist". Which costs a fortune.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/11/21 09:43 PM
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Two of my best female friends are 37ish and both are still "undecided" about children. It's absurd at this age. The clock ticked out already. Crazy. Or they will talk about adopting a child...good lord!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/11/21 09:41 PM
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I was a hipster Chad in my youth and had a very intense love affair with a girl in her early 20's when I was about to turn 30. She was a little blonde girl from a rich family who had a baby face: she looked like a little cherub. We would stay up all night drinking and listening to indie rock, then we would fuck and pass out. She broke up with me because I couldn't take care of her financially. She came back about a month later, asking to have sex but not date. She claimed it was the best sex she…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 08:16 AM
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That's my whole point: when women say they want "older men", it's like a 21 year old who dates a 26 year old. These aren't normally massive gaps: it's just a guy who is in the same generational ballpark but has five or maybe ten years on her. 21 year old women don't make a habit of dating 42 year old men. It's rare. Five to seven years is more the norm for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 07:37 AM
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I was a Chad in my prime who always dated younger, but my experience of what 18-24 year old women want in an "older man" is a dude five to seven years up from them. So at 23 I was dating an 18 year old. At 32, a 26 year old introvert/shy chick. It doesn't seem like younger women (who do want an older, more "mature" guy) go HUGE in how far they date up. It seems like it's within seven to ten years. Last year I was 41 and dating a 29 year old going on 30. So that was like your ten year thing. 20 w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 05:09 AM
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I was a Chad in my youth: women who date these guys are very forgiving. I didn't have a car and got free rides all over the place. You don't have to spend any money, etc. It's a good life, you get the best of the girl in her youth without having to put resources into it like the beta guy. So yeah, to a certain extent, women do simp for good looking men. Most of the women I dated basically mothered me and took care of me. I could never relate to some of the horror stories in MGTOW forums about ha…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/11/21 07:40 PM
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The thing about fair distribution of pussy: what about the guys on top? Top 20 or even go so far as 30%? What about their shot at having an awesome life and dating a ton of women in their 20's, like I got to do as a young pretty boy? Guys like this really thrive in an open sexual marketplace that isn't tied down to resources and is only based on good genes. So life is always "unfair" at the bottom. I am 42 and SMASHED into the male wall. Should I bitch about how unfair it is that 22 year old Cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 06:35 PM
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The thing is, if you take a right wing viewpoint that aims for the greater good of society (nuclear family, etc), do YOU, yourself, want to live up to it? I tend to think children do best in a two parent home, which is kind of right wing. It's ideal. Would I shotgun marry a woman I got pregnant? Me, personally? No, I would pay child support and ditch. Abortion PROBABLY IS murder. Ok, fine. Would I tell a woman to keep the baby if I got her knocked up while barely knowing her (this actually happe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 06:31 PM
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She just got married last year. She is content. She lives in NYC and works for Adobe.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 03:48 AM
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We fought like cats and dogs, but when you look back on your relationships in middle age, it all plays out like some weird indie romance where everything is perfect. Or you only remember the good shit. Which there was a TON of good shit. But yeah, we argued, bickered, etc. She threw me out of a moving car once. Ah, sweet romance!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 01:11 AM
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I hopped from girl to girl in my 20's because I have mental problems and thought dating would "mature" me. All it taught me was how to bullshit my way through a 12 month love affair. I think real growth probably comes from long term relationships or marriage. All relationships are in the honeymoon phase the first three months: people just jump from one warm glow to another. Probably not the best idea. Did it myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/21 10:09 PM
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I had a "practice" girlfriend for my first mate at the advanced virgin age of 21. It was mostly because I thought she was cute, but obtainable. Had probably been shooting too high before then. I fell in love with her in about two days. I think if you date down or date someone for "practice" and then fall in love with them, no big deal. Everyone settles in looks to some extent. If you seriously think she is just a practice girlfriend the entire time and want to date other women, then you are an a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/21 10:07 PM
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Yeah: I was an incel until 21 in the early 2000's because I wore glasses. I got contacts and looked great, but had no experience with women. I ended up going for a kind of chubby, cute but kind plain hipster girl because I thought she was cool and it would be good "practice". She treated me like a God. Cheated on her three times: she finally left after the last cheating incident. Next girlfriend (I was cocky by now) was an 8/10 goth girl who kinda sucked. I still think about the chubby girl 20 y…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/21 10:03 PM
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Yeah, it's cool to find out you are the winning side, right? How old are you? You could slay.
/r/TheRedPill31/10/21 01:40 PM
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Yeah, some of those dudes think you gotta be six foot six to get women, though. Seems to be a big fear among young dudes. But again, I get it if you are five three or whatever. Gotta be tough.
/r/TheRedPill29/10/21 08:20 PM
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I would hug her and try to comfort her. Good lord! I mean what am I supposed to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/21 03:52 PM
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I look young for my age, too. Probably early 30's. But face it: the women our age are mostly single moms. Best time for sex and dating is when you are a kid, which is why I try to push these guys.
/r/TheRedPill29/10/21 02:27 PM
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I was good looking, but wore Weezer glasses as a kid and never approached. My male friends always told me women liked me, but I lived in total fear of female rejection. Got contacts at 21 and ended up slaying my entire 20's. You have to put the work in and switch it up a bit here and there. A lot of good looking younger guys don't even realize they are nice looking young men, because they never approach. I've seen pictures of those "incel meet ups": some of the more hipster guys who look nice co…
/r/TheRedPill29/10/21 01:08 PM
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Seize the day, fortune favors the bold. I was an angry incel punk virgin who wore glasses until I was 21. I had legit given up and thought I "knew everything" about life, like these guys. Without even really living. Got in with a new crowd, joined a band and got a girlfriend within a few weeks of joining it. Continued to slay in my 20's because I WENT OUTSIDE and put effort into meeting women. Got my cold approach down tight, dated a ton of hot women, had the most epic 20's you can imagine. A fe…
/r/TheRedPill29/10/21 12:53 PM
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I was 5'8 5'9-ish as a kid: I slayed with women. If your face looks good and you can be charming, that is all they give a shit about. I've had ONE chick make fun of my height in my entire adult life, and it was some ugly Jewish girl I wasn't even that into. She gave me the "sorry, I like tall guys" routine. Probably when I was like 26. This is twenty years of dating. If you are average height, it will not matter. I get it if you are like 5 4', though.
/r/TheRedPill29/10/21 12:50 PM
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Misery loves company and it is also easier to give up on shit than to do it. I went to FSU as a kid with massive social anxiety: I almost moved home the first day I was on campus. It's fear, man. Or laziness. The human condition. I was a virgin until I was 21 because I just gave up on women. Got contacts, started to dip my feet in by dating a short, chubby (but hot) punk girl and slayed in my 20's. You gotta start somewhere.
/r/TheRedPill29/10/21 12:38 PM
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What these guys don't understand is that life SUCKS pretty bad after 40, man. I am 42 and slayed with females as a kid: sometimes the only thing that keeps you going or that makes life bearable are fond memories of youth. If you just keep sitting around on an incel forum, you will soon be 30, and most of your prime years will be behind you. I was a virgin until 21: I got contacts, started going out to shows, met the right crowd and had a GF in no time. Continued to slay in my 20's because I put …
/r/TheRedPill29/10/21 12:34 PM
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I was a pretty boy as a kid and was "emotionally distant" from my best female friend who I was fucking, but didn't think was hot enough to date. I met a hotter girl out at a keg party around this time and suddenly became extremely emotionally available. It means the dude doesn't see you as girlfriend material.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/21 01:00 AM
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I was a pretty boy in the sexually swinging 2000's: it takes away the incentive to improve yourself if you get easy sex. When I was 23, I lived at home, went to community college part time and dated the hottest goth girl in my area. When it's that easy, it fucks things up I think. Fucked me up a bit because middle age sucks in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 06:13 PM
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Sorry, I didn't see the tag. Took it down. My bad!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 12:54 PM
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Fat women try to go for Chads in youth and then marry a fat, funny guy for stability. The dudes my ex's (a lot of them are now chubby) married look like the dudes in those stereotypical "my mouth is wide open" shots of beta dudes. They are probably nice guys, though. Such is the cycle of female dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 12:21 PM
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I get what you mean about health, but people take this way too far. I am 42 and dated a fat chick last year: she was great. Fat people try to lose weight and can't: it's hard to lose weight. She was too busy with work, whatever. People get fat, etc. It's just life. She was a highly intelligent chemist who did well in her field and had a ton of self respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 11:43 AM
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It's for sure a problem, I just think kids on here worry too much. Live your life while you are still young. That chubby (and super cute) girl I dated in 2001 didn't let being fat hold her back. She's dated a ton of men and just married some beta dude at 38 (she's quite fat now). I mean, yeah, lose the weight, but don't let it stop you from living life while young. It just seems like a lot of young people are going to live it up tommorrow...and tommorrow...and then when they hit the gym...and no…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 05:17 AM
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This is neurotic. I think a lot of the stuff on here is. I know you guys are young and want to live "your best life", but if you can only be happy with a six pack and a six inch dick and trying to look as Chad as possible, you will be miserable. I was actually a borderline Chad as a kid (good genes) and my first GF was a chubby, short scene girl. We had the time of our lives. People get fat, people have guts. Lots of women are fat. I'm not trying to get on some "you go girl!" fat chick rant, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 03:32 AM
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I say this as an aging pretty boy, so I had the looks down, BUT: even with no booming night life, most towns have a bar you can sit in with other young people. I moved from FSU back to my parent's house in my mid-20's with no car, and my only option was a bar full of older people; younger women rarely came in. I crept that place HARD and eventually had a year long, time-of-my life romance with a 23 year old who just happened to be out with her friends. You have to put in action and you have to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 03:17 PM
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Older guy who was an incel virgin until he got contacts chiming in: I lost mine at 21 in 2001, and it was considered odd. I was dating an 18 year old, but not having sex with her (we were really in love) and she was bitching about it and wondering why we weren't having sex. I finally had to break down and tell her. She didn't freak out over it, but since I was older (and was faking like I had dated in the past...I hadn't), she considered it odd. I remember this and it's a tough nut to break, esp…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 05:15 PM
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Modern child-free women this age will still put you third behind career and whatever stupid pet they have. In the case of my last GF, three rabbits. And your position in third place will be to listen to them bitch about 1.) their job and 2.) whatever illness the pet has. Loads of fun!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/10/21 09:50 PM
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Thank you. And to all the busty, 18 year old girls out there: no, I DO NOT want to "Netflix and chill!" Have a little respect. #me #also me #my turn
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/10/21 07:57 PM
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You're right, it's probably better for the kid. In this guy's case, he and mom were both crack addicts, so there was no possible way. Still, very unfair to mom and dad. Getting bailed out of jail, hospital shit and probation showing up are par for the course if you have a wayward child. But leaving a kid on the door step? A bit much.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/10/21 07:42 PM
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I don't know if this fits, but: I was a pretty boy in my prime and played music and I was always ASTONISHED at how big of control freaks young, not-very attractive males could be. Either guys I was in bands with or guys I just hung out with. Always trying to cockblock, control where the sex is going, control who is hanging out with who, etc. Complete envy over anyone who was getting laid. I was in a band with an ugly kid like this (who thought he was alpha) and you could NEVER just relax and enj…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 03:32 PM
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It's the same with men as it is with women: if you aren't comfortable with it, don't do it. I wasn't going to break into a girl's apartment with a fucking ski mask on and assault her. Not going there. I also wouldn't expect a younger woman to let me fuck her up the ass just because I kept badgering her about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 03:11 PM
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At 32? I was engaged to a very pretty 25 year old, and I wish that would have worked out. But she's just now getting married ten years later in her mid-30's, so it wasn't the right time. We parted ways. Different? I dunno, my dating life in my 20's was insanely good. I guess I always knew I would eventually end up an old bachelor though. So not really, to be honest. Unless it was forcing that girl to stay with me, which was beyond my control.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/10/21 03:03 PM
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Nah, I was a pretty boy as a kid: plenty of women will admit to this. It's got to be on their terms and with a good looking guy, though. Even as an older dude (38 at the time), I was talking to a 26 year old whose fantasy was for me to break into the house wearing a ski mask and fuck her. Like a burglary? She talked about this all the time. I declined.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 01:40 PM
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I dated almost all of 2000-2012 and got into the online dating world at an advanced age, 34, after years of face to face stuff. Biggest thing I noticed was how far into BDSM and DDLG shit women had gotten, and how they mentioned this right away during the first conversation. Talking about mostly younger women. Part of this was probably me aging and fitting into that stereotype, but the other part was this having been injected into the culture so hardcore because of porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 01:36 PM
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Thanks! #self love #self care #self worth #self #me #myself.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/10/21 11:58 AM
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Yeah...back in 2001, I was still a pretty boy, still quite alpha and played guitar in a punk band. Dated a riot girl/feminist chick who was a hanger on of the band, and quite loud. And aggressive. Cute girl, but like the poster child for what 2021 feminism would become. Anyways, after about a year of dating, it became painfully obvious that what she wanted most in life was to be A GUY IN A BAND. It's projection, yearning, whatever. They see cool Chads who spit on the ground and do cool shit, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 11:26 AM
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Yeah...I can remember after my band days were over, around 31, I was just using my job for online dating. And a good picture. Not a lot of success. I am a wanna be writer, so I started doing a poetry blog. Starting opening my lines with a link to my poetry blog: instant feedback. It somehow upped my social crediblity. This was with 29-35 year old women, too. Not college girls. Kind of absurd, but kind of cool if you can come up with a good gimmick.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 11:23 AM
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With some younger women, perceived social status trumps money. I was in an indie band all through my 20's and was broke: dated almost exclusively rich, pretty hipster women who leaned way left. These chicks would laugh at a 5 million a year plumber, at least in youth. There are weird indicators that signal "class" more than money these days: education, SJW political bent, social status (band, DJ), etc. It's a weird world we live in. Plumper, despite making a million a year, will always be percei…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 11:12 AM
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Women who aren't elitist will, sure. I remember back in the 90's, alt. folk singer Jewel (who was huge at the time) married some rodeo cowboy guy. They were married for years and had a family. People were kind of baffled by it. Dude was a Chad, though. Fat, bearded dude who is a redneck, though? No. I think looks play into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 11:07 AM
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White collar guy OR...artsy Chad. Good looking, completely unemployed guy who is artsy but spews SJW and progressive shit all day long will probably trump a less attractive blue collar guy these days. No joke. Was like this with leftist women even in the 2000's. Leftist women are elitist and frown upon Trump voters, it's just how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 11:04 AM
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I was a fit, Chadlite guy well into middle age and am guilty of hooking up with tons of fat women for fun. They treat you like a God, the sex is usually amazing and they don't expect much from you. Multiply this by a lifetime of guys who were like me, and these chicks are fucked for life. You have to look at it the other way: if women were as open minded about sport-fucking as men are, and all the kids who post on incel forums occasionally hooked up with 10/10 models just for fun, the incels wou…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/10/21 10:24 AM
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I am 42 and accepted years ago that marriage and kids had passed me by. The best luck I've had was a two year relationship with a woman who was 30 and it was "ok": we hung out at the beach a lot, had good conversations. That's about as much as I expect from middle age. This women cling to the delusion that they can re-create something that happened at 26 when they are 40. You have to let that stuff go. Middle age is VERY mediocre, including dating. You're lucky if you can find someone to just sp…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/10/21 10:14 AM
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I'm 42 and just dated a woman around this age who was also career/job obsessed. Trust me, they won't "make time for you". Expect a year or two of only hanging out a few nights a week, with the vast majority of communication being via text or phone calls. Also, expect them to bitch and complain about work constantly.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/10/21 10:09 AM
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As a guy in recovery, there is no bigger dick move than to leave your kids with your aging parents. My parents have had to lend me money, bail me out of jail, etc. My parents have been through hell with me, but I would never expect them to raise my fucking kid. So hopefully the dad has it. Some guru older guy who I used to go to 12-step meetings with was the highest, mightiest guy in the world. Probably about 55 and owned a recovery house. Someone suggested him as a sponsor. During the phone cal…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/10/21 10:07 AM
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I think I can "except" her current situation. As in "except for the fact that you have four kids, are still married and are beat as fuck, I would ask you out on a date."
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/10/21 09:58 AM
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I'm just going to be honest with you guys: I am a 42 year old wanna-be Bukowski who has serious financial and emotional problems. I am also starting to get kind of fat after being a Chadlite as a kid. And you know what? I DEMAND a 21 year old college girl who will worship me like a God. Must be able to cook and clean. Must be a virgin. Would also help if you could financially support me. I know my worth, guys.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/10/21 09:35 AM
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Yeah it can turn into a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 09:56 PM
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Older dude here: this is wise. I've had long term relationships just based on good sex from a one night stand. Would you buy a car without driving it around the lot? I had a great, very loving relationship in college based off of this. Might as well find out ASAP what the deal is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 08:24 PM
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You are close, but it's THIS: disagreeable plus good looks. Most of the kids who post on incel forums are disagreeable bad boys with extreme, sometimes anti-social views, but they don't get laid because they are ugly. There is no way you can tell me the kids on that forum are "agreeable". It;s a combination of tude' plus genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 04:50 PM
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Yeah, most of the guys who claim they want to go back to "traditional values" still live at home and live in this fantasy world where if things WERE like 1955, they would have gotten off their ass and gone to law school or something. Men do mediocre in today's society and make mediocre money, so the best looking guy who makes mediocre money wins (genes over resources). I get you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 04:43 PM
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I'm not saying this to brag (I am old and beat up now), but if you are an above-average or attractive young man AND you have a big penis, you will basically be passed around. There isn;t much better position to be in. I had a very, very attractive goth girlfriend in my early 20's who basically later passed me around. "This is a guy you want to hook up with." She even offered up her room mate to me in college (I passed). Women are way, way more into big dicks than people realize, IMO. They also t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 08:07 AM
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I was good looking as a kid, so I've had a few women pursue me who I wasn't interested in. I would just be really indirect and make up a lame excuse. "I am really busy with school right now", "I am not ready to get back into dating", etc. Anything that took the focus of THEM and put it on MY OWN SHIT. Usually I was lying, but it seemed to work ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 07:49 AM
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I mean it makes sense based on what they tell me: if the revolution took off in 1968, by 1973 (five years later), being able to buy weed at your high school and hooking up with girls was common. The hippie thing didn't just "go away" after it started, it slowly became normalized into the culture to the point where by 1984, experimenting with sex and drugs was just considered "normal" teen or college behavior. We are still living in the ripple effects of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 07:39 AM
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This was the 2000's, but I have always heard the 70's were amazing. Mostly from older guys in recovery programs. Drug culture was totally normalized by the early 70's, as was the open sex thing. Very decadent times, plus no competition from online dating. 1970-2009ish was probably the best time to be an average dude who wanted to party: the only reason it sucks now is too much competition from other guys via online dating. I've talked to tons of average Joe guys in A.A. about youth to compare no…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 07:21 AM
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He was probably never hot in youth in the first place, and he did the tradcon thing and married young (he is divorced and has a kid). So his 20's were probably spent with the same woman. These guys actually know very little about women (who, based on my experience, prefer hot men in their 20's), yet ramble on about how they know everything. A guy like Richard Cooper could do well WITH SINGLE MOMS AROUND HIS AGE, but that's about it. Dude is bald and old.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 07:18 AM
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31 is a good spot to be, man. No worries.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 06:06 PM
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I did best from 21-33, although I was definitely the "pretty boy" type. Absolute slayer years. I think guys like Cooper are way, way off about sexual dynamics...or never had any luck as kids. I had sex almost constantly from 21-26, too. This is the time when older gurus will claim that "nobody has luck with women". Are you kidding? Everybody is different, though, everyone looks different and has different peaks and experiences in life. Mine is certainly over, and I think it can be healthy to acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 05:34 PM
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No 21 year old kid who isn't having success with women can predict what will happen to him at 40, though. Life is weird and shit happens. I just feel like he gives a lot of false hope to younger men who aren't doing well now (but somehow think they will in middle age).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 05:30 PM
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Dude is really uptight, as will be anyone who has shit to "prove" with women past 40. I am glad I had massive success in my 20's and early 30's and no longer give a shit. Like, get it out of your system and then chill out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 05:26 PM
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Nah, he is talking about Richard Cooper and Red Pill gurus who make money coaching men online. They tell 21 year olds they will slay later in life to get viewership and money. Not going to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 03:43 PM
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I'm probably one of the older dudes on here, and it sometimes gets mentioned: the cope that 35+ year old men are in full swing and date hot young women if they have their finances together. Like the Richard Cooper cope? My friend is my age (early 40's) and got into a two story house and a decent new car: he can't get anything. You might have sex with a younger girl here or there, but nobody in college is dating guys my age. Sad cope. I think most kids on here see through it, but if you are gunni…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 02:12 PM
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Yeah...the funny thing about my friend (and I kind of did this, too) is that he makes it sound like HE is the victim. Like someone put a gun to his head and forced him to take advantage of a fat chick he wasn't into just so he could have a house to drink in. He could have stayed single, tried to date a hotter chick, lived with room mates, whatever. People often think fate fucked them over in dating and family life, but it is usually their own bad choices. I could have told this chick to fuck off…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/10/21 10:39 AM
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Having done it, myself (more so for stability and companionship in middle age), I dunno how women can bring themselves to do this past 30. I spent like a month dilly-dallying around with it (the girl was pursuing me, not vice versa) and was even praying about it and shit. Massive feeling in my gut that I was making the wrong move (and was basically a liar), but decided to do it anyways because I had been single in recovery for awhile and she was stone cold sober. Horrible mistake. I have no idea…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/10/21 09:13 AM
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I was a pretty boy as a kid and I slept with/dated a ton of hot young women (lots of them alcoholics) and I tried this same tactic at 40: it doesn't work. I am in recovery and dated a very wholesome, very homely 29 year old girl who was kind of obese. The type of girl who was still involved with family and church well into adulthood. I thought it would be "good for me". I couldn't stand it. I got to the point where I resented even dating her and I should have never agreed to it in the first plac…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/10/21 08:10 AM
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I was a mentally ill pretty boy (River Phoenix looks) as a kid and lived with my parents. I could not drive a car due to anxiety, did not have a job, went to community college part time, was in active alcoholism, had the maturity level of a twelve year old, slept until noon most days and couldn't handle most of the basic chores I was expected to do around the house. I slept with seventy women between 21-26 years old and had four serious girlfriends, all hot nubile young women. One was asked to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 07:33 AM
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I don't suck toe, but visually, yeah, they gotta be tight. Long toes are a hard pass for me. It's like evolution didn't take you very far. Prefer small feet, tiny toes. A lot more men care about this than will admit. Eddie Murphy used to do a skit about it. Dated two women with perfect feet: that shit is nice. So for me, any kind of long toe bullshit is a hard pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 08:19 PM
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The love of my life (I am 42 years old and still never got over this woman) had a hairy butthole. Otherwise perfect, short blonde girl with a big butt. Perfect white girl PAWG hipster girl. But man, that asshole. Did no one ever tell her? I never had the heart. I guess nobody else did, either. Would have taken five seconds to get rid of.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 08:14 PM
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I rejected like three women in my prime to chase a bigger target, and all three women were objectively hot 18-24 year old females. So yeah, I can agree with this. It might not mean you are a total goon, it might just mean they have a bigger target.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 06:55 PM
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I'm an older guy who agrees that a one night stand who is drunk and throwing up is a bad idea for 2021 kids. But life is life, and alcoholics date alcoholics. IMO, having sex drunk is perfectly fine if you are heading into a serious relationship. There are a lot of variables that play into this idea. It's basically impossible to not have a lot of drunken sex when two addicts/alcoholics are in a relationship. Dated three alcoholics (I am in recovery) and everything was kosher after the break up. …
/r/TheRedPill22/10/21 06:28 PM
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I was a Chadlite as a kid, so like a pretty solid 7. Always had an attractive girlfriend. BUT..there was no way I was going to get an actual ten. Just a girl-next-door cutie in the prime of life. Which is fine. A guy who is a 7 will date a cute 6 or 7 and be more than happy with it. A six or a seven will also become a nine in your mind once she really starts to grow on you. And when you get old and middle aged like me, she will appear to be a ten in your memory. Men are way, way way more realist…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/10/21 06:19 PM
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Nah, they just love food. I dated a girl who was obsessed with food and hotels/hospitality. I also dated two women who were Fashion Merchandising majors and obsessed with clothes and fabric. Women are so fascinating!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 05:20 PM
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It's a stand out, chicks dig fashion and one of the cool parts of being young is that you can dress wealthy while being poor. I lived in a $400 a month shithole when I went back to college in my mid 20's, but I dressed like I owned a condo. People don't know what your background is, and if you look and dress a part, you can wiggle into certain scenes. Not bragging, but I dated the daughter of a millionaire in college, mostly because I looked a certain part. Wasn't too thrilled when she finally s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 04:28 PM
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I believe the tight fitting ones have a bit of a slimming effect if you are a bigger dude, too. Nobody can go wrong with these. Honestly, women look great in them, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 04:18 PM
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Tight black pea coat (50 bucks at Old Navy) is the most fab jacket for colder days. You will look very James Bond on a college campus.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 12:27 PM
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All I know is that if you are a hipster with a swimmer's build: well fitting jeans, western style dress shirt (kinda tight, buy a small), shaggy haircut, Converse All Stars. Worked for me. This was also in the 2000's so I don't know if women are still attracted to men who try to look like they are in The Strokes. Probably not, but I don't see why it won't at least help. Gel a short hair cut if you don't look good shaggy. Wear cologne.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 12:24 PM
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You'll be fine. Just get out there. Don't be super picky. 21 year old women (so juniors) are old enough to buy alcohol and old enough to date older dudes. It's a matter of getting yourself out there. Cologne and dress shirts help.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 12:20 PM
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" I was 24 and almost dated a 19 year old and I felt like it wasn't right." Oh, lord, my son. Oh Lord....my sweet boy. Yeah you probably should have hit that the second it popped up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 12:16 PM
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I transferred to FSU from 24-27. You'll meet a girl. Don't feel weird about being a little bit older, because 27 is actually what women say they like "older men" for. You will be about five or six years older than the other girls. Just socialize, join clubs. Get out there. I bet you will get a GF. I was horrified to be going off to college at a late age, but it's not even a big deal at your age. I had a 21 year old girlfriend in no time. Btw, she was Catholic and I was a hardcore, leftist atheis…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 12:08 PM
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The thing you have to understand about self aware pretty boys is that THEY THINK THEY ARE AS HOT AS WOMEN. I used to hang out with big groups of women and think I was as sexually attractive, if not hotter, than most of them. You literally develop a huge ego and act like a girl because you get treated the same way a woman does, at least until you are like 26. I was a narcissist and would stare at myself in the mirror. This usually means being an arrogant, vain dick. You also tend to date arrogant…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 11:23 AM
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Maybe not bad boys so much as "fun boys"? I dunno. Being boring probably doesn't help with women. I drank a lot as a kid, so that probably worked in my favor (in a sick way). Alcoholic women tended to want to date me and drink with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 07:38 AM
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I was a pretty boy as a kid: the idea that young men who do well with women and get a lot of sex are going to be negative assholes, but that men who struggle to get laid at college age are going to be perfect angels sort of flies in the face of all logic, doesn't it? I mean, I was pretty chill and content from 20-30, because I was getting, you know...sex from nubile young women. Didn't see a big need to beat one with a club or shoot up a school.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 07:18 AM
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Yeah, I touched on this above: I was a legit Leo-style pretty boy as a kid, and very arrogant. I was honestly kind of a dick to everyone I knew, but was very sweet and loving towards my girlfriends. And didn't try to control them. One of my girlfriends once told me she liked that I was "a dick to everyone else, but you love me." If that makes any sense. Not supporting being an arrogant dick, but this was the feedback I got. I dunno why some dudes think all women want a man who will beat them to …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 07:15 AM
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I was an arrogant pretty boy who was obsessed with James Dean and rockabilly music as a kid. I was generally a dick, but was always very nice to my girlfriends. Very protective and I was a loudmouth, smart ass person. My girlfriend always said she liked me because "you are an asshole to everyone else, but you love me." If that makes any sense, I dunno.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 07:10 AM
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ps- the "overseas" Asian chick cope is the best among 20 year olds. "I am 22, work part time and live with my parents and can't get laid with American women. Is it time to move overseas?" Like moving to another country is like switching cell phone providers and not some massive, time consuming thing that you need money for. "Is it time to go to Japan?"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 06:21 AM
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I, myself, was unathletic in my 20's. I read a lot and played in a band. Now that I am 42? I'm trying out for the NFL. Coaches see something in me that they didn't see in my 20's. Sex, athleticism and physical prowess only get better with age, baby! By 65, I will be playing a Super Bowl. Life can only go up, correct? Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 06:19 AM
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Right, like Brad Pitt. Or Clooney or Leo. Not some average Joe guy my age.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 05:08 AM
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Right, women didn't like me for "me" at my sexual prime, but now that I am older and past my sexual prime and have money, they will love who I am. This makes a ton of sense, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 05:07 AM
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I'm a 42 year old male (and was even a Chad as a kid): older men cope hard with this, but I agree with you. When a 21 year old says she likes "older guys", she is talking about a 26 year old, not a 45 year old. Or for example, when I was 29, I was dating a 23 year old. Five or six year age gaps at best. They aren't trying to hook up with men old enough to be their father. Well, in my dreams they are.... Part of this cope comes from guys who aren't getting actual 18-24 year old women in youth, be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 05:38 PM
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Yeah, 18-24 is a bit of a stretch. And this is coming from someone who will admit to being kooky about younger women I can no longer get. My first three girlfriends were all 18 years old; my last serious GF of youth lasted two years, 24-26. Honestly, she was as hot as a 26 year old as my 18 year old girlfriends were. Plus, by that age, you can have actual conversations about long term plans that aren't complete horseshit. There is a way bigger spread of youthful beauty than Red Pill guys will ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 05:31 PM
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Yeah life was a lot better from 2000-2009. Shit really started to go downhill around 2012, probably with the rise of Tinder. We live in a bubble now.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 11:11 AM
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I dated a rich hipster girl in my prime at uni and was shocked to find out that her (also hot and rich) roommate was merely dating a townie. Plenty of dudes go off to local lib arts college towns at 18 or 19 and just work at a gas station to party and have the experience. No 20 year old woman is going to care: they will just fuck these guys till they move back home. So yes, this won't affect women at all.
/r/TheRedPill21/10/21 09:25 AM
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I was a Chadlite in the mid 2000's and it was already heading in this direction: over half the population was women. If you are a decent looking dude, this will mean no excuses not to be doing well in college. There will be a shit ton of options for you. I have a completely useless degree: the only thing I remember about college was dating a very sexy hipster girl for about a year. So in a way, this will be favorable. At least to attractive younger men.
/r/TheRedPill21/10/21 09:21 AM
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I had great success with women in my 20's, but I realize how hard it is. For me the harder part is realizing that my heyday of dating and mating with 18-24 year old women is over with. Not really that into women my age, and not wanting to date a girl with a kid. Pretty much got into MGTOW in my late 30's and said "fuck it". Dated a 29 year old girl last year and it ended in disaster...but wasn't that great to begin with. The real magic is when you are a kid, and this is why I feel so bad for you…
/r/TheRedPill21/10/21 09:18 AM
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I was in two drunken, sort of mediocre three ways (meaning I hooked up with two women at once), and I can assure you, I know exactly who I was with, where we were and when it was. It's insane to me that someone could forget this. I can find three of these women on Facebook right now if I wanted to. I know who they are and what they do now. You don't "forget" details like this unless it happens A LOT. This was like fifteen years ago, too...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/10/21 04:18 AM
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Different time. Even if you were dating a woman you weren't crazy about, there was always this feeling you could go up and up. And I kind of did: the girls I dated got better and better and culminated in a gorgeous goth woman at around 31. There was plenty of hope that you would have an ample sex and romance life in your youth. I believe this feeling is gone, now.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 03:51 AM
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You would be better off spending a month in the Blink-182 soaked early 2000's. I grew up on punk and used to be hyper jealous of people who grew up in the 80's hardcore scene (so they got to see Black Flag, The Misfits, etc), but upon reflection now as an adult, I would take The White Stripes show I went to in 2001 over any 80's stuff. Way easier to get sex, the culture was dripping with sexuality (Brittney, Xtina) and in general it was just a really good time. I think the best youth periods in …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 01:42 AM
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Yeah, Facebook and Tinder and also Youtube...the internet started to get interesting. It started to compete with reality. The early 2000's net was very boring: livejournal, AOL messanger. It was mostly just an extension of the landline and used to navigate real life. Slowly but surely, young people started to basically "live" on the internet. As per the mall thing, I have noticed the same trends: kids don't hang out there and loiter all day like they used to. In my area, the mall was vital to me…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 03:24 PM
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Right, well I don't know what to believe: all I hear is that Chad has fucked up the market and the other 80% of the young men are sexless. I have no clue because I am 42 and go on Reddit (where the young men who can't get laid talk the loudest). Very confusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 01:46 PM
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No, the market was pretty even. A six would date a six, for example. All the girls I knew had sex with boys. A five would date a five. Whatever. I am being a little generous in describing these women, as memory gives youth a glow. But like, for example: the incel tier skinny guy was dating a fugly goth girl...but she had big boobs. So at the end of the day, the dude still had a girlfriend. I mean I'm not saying we got MODELS, but we got average, attractive 18-25 year old mates, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 01:32 PM
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There was a punk show every week in 2000, or a few times a month even in small cities in Nowhere. Every idiot on earth wanted to be in Blink 182 or Taking Back Sunday, so every town had a scene. Show up with that pen and paper and get those AOL screen names. Or better yet BE in a shitty band, like I was! You will most certainly get that goth girlfriend. But yeah I can't imagine men who go out in their 20's don't hit on women at Barnes and Noble like we did. Creeping never dies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 01:03 PM
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Yeah, the information I get online from guys in their 20's is wonky. I can't imagine flirting with women IRL outside of bars would die off. Especially not in the era of cell phones, when you can just ask for a number. When I was a kid, you had to get the number (landline) and the AOL screen name, so you had to stop and run and get a piece of paper or a pen. Or if you were a professional creeper like I was, you carried that shit on you. But yeah, how could this die? In 20 years? Why would it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 12:58 PM
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Yeah, I was in community college at the time (and rocking a Strokes hairstyle and general demeanor) and had the standard issue punk rock and goth girlfriends. Also some chick who thought she was Avril Lavigne/a skater. I hung out with a younger crowd, 18 or 19, everybody was paired off. Blink 182/Sum 41 was all over the place, so being a loser was considered a normal, if not "cool" thing for a guy to be. And the women were hyper sexualized by Xtina and Brittney, so there was a lot of sex being h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 12:54 PM
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Yeah, is daygame even dead? Is that just socially unacceptable among youth now? Clubs and bars and parties were always the "proper" venue to meet women to date, but certainly the book store or the mall was ok when I was a kid. Is this dead now?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 11:21 AM
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In the west, in the 2000's, particularly in "scene" or emo culture (I hope you kids know what I am talking about, I am ancient), everyone had a girlfriend. Fat guys with beards had girlfriends. Having a girlfriend was not a big deal and was expected. I speak of pre-online dating, Florida scene kid culture 2000-2005.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 10:29 AM
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Do you think average Joe guys who still do cold approach get women these days? As far as men your age? Bear in mind that was ALL you could do when I was a kid. It was cold approach or sit at home, alone. No POF, TInder, whatever. One other thing I will say about the 2000's (and this is mostly with emo kids, so it could just be the culture I was in, but...) is that social circles used to run pretty deep. Maybe 20 people deep or more? So even if you just made friends with a guy who had ten other f…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 10:26 AM
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It just seems very hard. My understanding, however, does come mostly from what I hear younger men bitch about on Reddit and whatnot. I don't actually KNOW what it's like to date as a 23 year old. But I do know what it was like to date as a 23 year old in 2002 or whatever, and it was pretty easy. Basically, you got a participation trophy for even showing up. Everyone I knew had a GF. These days it seems like it is a Herculean task for young men. And it kind of breaks my heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 10:21 AM
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It's made it easier for women to get top tier men off the internet. It hasn't made it easier for low inhibition (but dorky and not very hot) men to simply approach women at Starbucks and not have to worry about a lot of competition. I edited that comment since your comment, so perhaps the end makes more sense. Women were basically more willing to take whatever popped up via serendipity in real life back then. Which, for some women, was a fat dude or a nerd.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 10:16 AM
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Nah, I remember 2001 like it was yesterday. Fat dude I knew named John with a beard was dating a high end brunette. My overweight (but funny) friend and drummer always had a prime GF. My incel-tier friend dated a few hot 18-22 year olds. Worst case I knew of within my social circle (this is all alt rock/scene college age kids) was an ugly-as-hell, skinny nerd. Absolutely zero sexual market value. He was still dating a semi-ok goth girl in our circle with big tits. Chicks just took whatever they …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 10:02 AM
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Correct: you had to best maybe five other guys, one of whom was like a fat dude she went to school with an the other might be some nerd who was friends with her friend. It was like taking candy from a baby in 2001, especially if you were remotely hot and could spit good tongue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 09:59 AM
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So this gets into the area where perceived SMV and human value collide. A lot of people talk shit about people they would not simply DATE. I, in all honesty, would probably never date a single mother of multiple kids, or a much, much older woman (I am 42, so let's say she is 62). However, does that mean that I DESPISE these people? No. It simply means I don't want to date them. It;s not like I can't empathize with them. Single moms have a tough time in life, I get that. I just don't want the dra…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 09:06 AM
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I also agree with your statement about being alone, HOWEVER...most 22, 26 year old men aren't going to go for this. Your entire being is screaming for you to go out, mate and get a girlfriend. Or at least a one night stand. This culture has changed so much in 20 years: every loser had an "ok" looking 21 year old girlfriend when I was a kid. Nobody didn't date and you were considered odd if you didn't have a mate. Now it's common place, and it seems like guys have to pass some equivalent of the G…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 08:51 AM
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It wasn't like this in the 2000's. I hate to drone on and on here like an old man, but I (Chadlite at the time) and all of my friends (incel level dipshits by today's standards) all had 18-25 year old girlfriends when we were kids. There was no online Global Mass Market for dating, and if you made a pilgrimage to the mall once or twice a week to get AOL screen names, you were basically in the dating game. I don't remember anyone in my hipster social circle being shut out, and even the most incel…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 08:47 AM
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Correct: I had a great dating life in my 20's, always with 18-24 year olds. Younger women with some of these issues (or whatever you want to call them) can seem endearing and cute. Most women that age are, especially in the 18-22 range. But 42? It's absurd. My friend (43) just went on a road trip to CA with his new GF (46). I guess she drank beer in the passenger seat the whole ride there, got a chest tattoo along the way and was basically acting like an out-of-control 18 year old girl. They par…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/10/21 08:40 AM
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Men prefer younger women, sexually, until they are like 90. That's basic evolutionary psychology. Younger women are fertile. I've never read a study that doesn't confirm this, just human nature. Like it or hate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 10:00 AM
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I've actually dated goth, pink haired punk and Bettay Page-wanna be pin up girls. They were all exactly like the other girls I have dated. So when someone who looks BEYOND AVERAGE AND NORMAL says they are "not average", I shudder. They all are.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/10/21 10:30 AM
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Yeah, you could almost feel the culture shift that year. Plus I noticed that smart phones had really taken over by that point. So even meeting other men was hard. The dude you might want to strike up a friendship with was staring down at a screen. We've been in a free for all ever since. I started OLD stuff at 34, after a good 14 years of successful dating. I instantly went from dating high quality women to picking from the bottom of the barrel. Part of it was aging, but most of it was because I…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/10/21 04:30 AM
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OLD is the problem, but OLD was still a joke until 2010, kind of. All the women I dated (and I dated decent women in my 20's) preferred to date through social groups. It took some time and some social brainwashing for women to chase Chad online. The women I came up with wanted a Chadlite within their social circle, who they could do a back ground analysis on via friends. Much simpler times. You were in competition with like five or ten guys, not the whole planet. This is how nature intends.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/10/21 01:45 AM
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That must be a current generation thing: he was a major sex icon in the 1960's. Overall, though, yeah...it seems like men worship Morrison more than women do.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/10/21 04:32 PM
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I was 23 years old and just about to go off to a nice state uni after working my way through community college. A little late in life, but finally on track. This 18 year old girl who I didn't even like that much, but was seeing, claims she is pregnant and is going to keep it. Tells me not to go off to college. Then on top of that, I later found out it could have been either mine or one of the many other men she slept with? I had eyes in the back of my fucking head after this incident, man. Btw, …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/10/21 08:34 AM
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Guys tend to think the "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" story should end with the girl. But this guy found out the hard way he was better off being a bachelor. I feel for him: I had a pregnancy scare at around 23 and later found out the girl had been cheating behind my back. She was going to keep the kid and had it not been a false alarm, I might have been stuck raising a child that was not mine. The girl Red Pilled me more than anything and I have been on guard with women ever since. Sad wo…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/10/21 05:24 AM
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My most vivid memory of the entire ten years of my 20's was the night I licked cocaine off my 21 year old college girlfriend's vagina and then fucked her in front of a dirty mirror. Nobody cares about emotional intelligence at that age. But yeah, you can find a mature and boring relationship after 35 where you sit in the backyard and drink coffee and talk. I just had one with a chemist. Wow, what a thing to look forward to, kids!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 12:59 PM
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Yeah, but these guys WANT a Pornhub fest before they settle down. So when they do settle down, they will be pissed. And when they find out the Mrs. had more sex than they did in college...time to call Richard Cooper to maintain frame!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 12:55 PM
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Yeah, I dunno. 20-26 was my sexual peak. I had sex with 70 women in five years. I somehow don't think I can repeat that. But whatever keeps people from blowing their brains out. I'll leave the 20 year olds to Richard Cooper, I'm retired. Maybe if I could still maintain frame, bro....
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 12:49 PM
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Hmmm excellent point and I don't have a retort for it. In that sense...I guess yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 11:52 AM
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Yeah, your post is spot on. It also makes ZERO biological sense to think like this. Why would your sex and dating life get BETTER when you age, start to have aches and pains and your t-count goes down (or egg count for women)? Like, don't you think the reason men and women are so healthy and horny at 22 or 23 is because that is the age that nature designed them to FUCK at? Not 35? Makes no sense from any way you view it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 11:34 AM
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I was a pretty boy in youth and slayed in my 20's, particularly 20-26. But you know what? I have to agree with you. Life doesn't OWE anyone a fun youth. And some people just get really lucky with the right genes and the right social group and the right era, like I did (42 here). I used to feel all kinds of pity for sexless young men, and I still do, but you are correct: no one is owed or guaranteed a sexed out, alcohol fueled, decadent youth. The media might portray that as an ideal, movies migh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 11:27 AM
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I was a legit pretty boy in youth: if you are going to be desired by nubile young women, it's gonna be from 18-29. 18-26 being the peak. Then you will get a little something decent in your early 30's, then it will end around 35-40. In my opinion, both sexes decrease in market value over time, with males have a slight advantage over females. I am sorry, but if you are 20-26ish and not getting women, it's only going to get worse. Or you are going to be settled for. Whatever Pornhub party you were …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 11:22 AM
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The original is a killer, killer blues riff/jam if you want to youtube something sweet tonight.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen14/10/21 02:26 AM
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Yikes!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/10/21 11:53 PM
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Nah, it's old school slang for a lover who sneaks in through the back door. See the classic Howlin' Wolf song (it will rock you) or the Doors cover of it. Been around for awhile. "When you come home, you can eat pork and beans/I eats more chicken than any man seen/I'm a back door man/the men don't know what the little girls understand". Probably the most Black/Red Pilled blues song of all time.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/10/21 11:06 PM
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Ah yes, you can see Howlin' Wolf's classic "Back Door Man" for proof of this going on in the 40's and 50's. ​ "The judge's wife cried/let the man go free!"
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/10/21 11:05 PM
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Older guy chiming in, but used to do well with women: there once existed a kind of "wholesome" type of scene girl who dressed and acted like Ellen Page from "Juno" (minus the pregnant part) and made decent 1-2 year long girlfriend material. I don't know if you can still find that, and I don't know if I can define "wholesome", but I would know it when I saw it. I'm speaking of the 2000's, so no clue if this is still a thing. Thrift store shopping, glasses wearing hipster women used to be somewhat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 04:49 AM
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I have a morbidly obese, but extremely well educated best friend who teaches English. She is mid-30's, lives with her mom and comes from money. She's not a Chad chaser, but insists on finding a beta guy who makes "you know, $80-100,000 a year or whatever". She thinks these are low standards because she doesn't care what he looks like or if he is divorced. She has admitted to me that she hates teaching and really only wants a man to help her escape the rat race. She also thinks she can still have…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 04:46 AM
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"You'll never believe what my sister said/did/thinks! Let me come over for two hours and bitch about my sister!" (She lived with younger sister). What an epic joy! This was on a good day, when nothing bad was happening to her aging rabbits and it was only hers sister/work that got on her nerves. Dr. Phil to the rescue!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/10/21 03:58 AM
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I am a mentally ill, aged out ex-pretty boy with severe mental issues (depression, anxiety, bi-polar, etc) and based on my own long dating history I would advise you 100% to AVOID women with mental problems and addictions and to 100% PERSUE normal, boring women who like to stay in and watch TV, hook up or chat. This is based on 2000's hipster women, so not sure if you can even find the last type now, but it took me about ten years to learn this the hard way. No matter what YOUR OWN PERSONAL MENT…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/10/21 03:56 AM
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In my case, two years of dating made it painfully obvious that I took second place behind her three rabbits. Yes, she was a rabbit nut who owned three bunnies. Her job and the bunnies came first; I was lucky to get third place, unless family shit popped up. Just generally was not a priority. It's bad out there. Anyways, I hope her rabbits are ok!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/10/21 02:16 AM
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I am a decent looking middle aged guy and I met ONE woman in my area (Florida, so...) who wasn't complete trash. I had to go way down in the looks department, but she was a child free career girl and didn't start talking about BDSM within the first two times we talked on the phone. Dated for two years: she was a decent human, not very hot, old school Christian values and treated me pretty well. No surprise, after about two years it was "let's build and move in together" and it ended soon after. …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/10/21 10:23 PM
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It's almost even worse with the women we don't make fun of on here: single, childless women from around 25-30. Those profiles won't make the cut, because these are young, career women with no kids and their act together, but in my experience, they go straight into sex talk during the first or second phone conversation. I had been out of the game for awhile before I got back on POF around 34, and I was amazed at how brazen and forward the single, child free younger women I was talking to were. Th…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/10/21 05:47 AM
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Older guy chiming in here: I always thought "chemistry" was more of a female attraction thing. Because I felt a strong sexual attraction to almost every woman I was around in my prime who was in the 18-25 year old range. Men are not picky. If she is young, we will have sex with her. I wanted to have sex with almost every girl I knew when I was a kid. It's not rocket science: men want to get with anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 06:31 AM
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"Don't hit me up if you don't like big girls" Was this disclaimer necessary? Are some of the men who use POF using braille and are blind? I mean, seems silly. Who else would hit you up?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/10/21 03:26 AM
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To thine own self be true: if you are Chadlite or above, Chad it up and always wear a condom. If you are incel tier, accept it and find peace and meaning in other avenues of life, such as spirituality or helping others. If you wanna get married and have kids, go back and review those MGTOW videos made by divorced men from five or six years ago. Also check out Child Free and Parental Regret content on this site. You might quickly change your mind!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 11:37 PM
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As per my advice to young men or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 11:20 PM
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All I know is that I saw my dad bust his ass 60 hours a week to support my mom and his four kids. He looked miserable. I spent until almost 35 casually dating and sleeping with attractive women who were a bit younger than I am (I was cute, so I know that matters). I was pretty content and have warm, fuzzy memories. I don't have kids or child support to pay, and I will never go through a divorce because I will probably never marry. 42 now, so the game is pretty much "over" for me, but yah...femin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 11:16 PM
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The problem with this stuff (and I say this as an aged out former pretty boy, so I am glad women operate like this, not bitter) is that men aren't really attracted to character development. The women probably did "grow" in terms of who they picked for mates, but they are now 29, 34 years old, etc. What guys want (youth and fertility, so 18-24ish) is given away during their more primitive period, when they hadn't grown as much as people. The guys who got this anger the men who got settled for lat…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 08:41 AM
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I was in the top 20% (like a rock solid, pretty boy 8) back before online dating, and the world was never better. It was like living in my own Pornhub movie and I felt like I mattered. Middle age and poverty have brought me into the lower levels of the totem pole, and yeah...it sucks. Always better to be a winner than a loser. I guess all I would tell 18-26 year old young men who aren't doing well with women is that they probably aren't that attractive to girls. There are other things in life be…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 08:25 AM
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I was piss poor and dated a ton of attractive young women in my youth: AF/BB always struck me more as women not wanting to live in a cardboard box or a studio apartment when they hit middle age. Like, I think it is pragmatic. I don't see the issue with it, but I guess if I were a doctor, it would mess with my ego. Seeing as how when he was busting ass in med school for ten years she was with a D.J. or whatever. To me, it's just a practical choice women make when they want to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 02:43 AM
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I got to be the "first" or at least pretty good choice for women in my 20's, because I was a Chad lite type and dated a bit below my level...so I hesitate to say this. But it's like, geez...young men in their 20's really have this thing with being "number one". Nobody is ever really number one and most people compromise in a LTR. If you guys are hanging out, love each other and are monogamous, who cares? I dunno, there are always going to be "next best' people down the block. I feel like fear is…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 07:34 PM
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I think for me it was a combo of aging and Tinder, for sure. A lot of my friends were either married with kids or had moved away by that point, too. So I didn't have anyone introducing me to other people. Also stopped playing live music in a band that year, stopped going to bars, stopped drinking. Just a lot of crap at once. My solution to not being out at bars was to trawl POF...and what I found wasn't very great. I dunno. You might be right.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 01:29 AM
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There are going to be a lot of lonely people in the times coming up. And a lot of young men (like a massive amount, IMO) are going to end up as like 30 or 40 year old virgins. It will almost be normal at that point, ten years from now. I am glad I hit 20-30 in exactly the 2000's, before this started. It is just a nightmare for young men now. And women, too. Assuming they want kids...all the women my age are telling them to either not have them (I am child free, myself) or are telling them to "ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 12:28 AM
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And yeah, it didn't happen right away: there were still a few ok years from 2012 to maybe 2015 when it wasn't a cesspool. By 2016, the party was fully over. That's when the pills started to come out, incels, the manosphere and a whole generation of 20-something men were cut out of the dating pool. At least until they hit their 30's, so they could be a clean up man (how fun!).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 11:31 PM
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Fertility falls like a rock (already happened with all my girls and I am 40+), male sexlessness on the rise, 35 year old virgins, shootings, etc. It's not going to be good for either sex. A lot of lonely girls and a lot of men who can't get dates and won't get to experience any romance in youth. Human males were not meant to compete with 1,000 other local guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 11:26 PM
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Yepp, "reasonably attractive", could pull off good cold approach and could best maybe 3 or 4 other men she knew in real life to go in for the kill and become the boyfriend. It was like taking candy from a baby for me as a kid. As soon as POF hit, it was nothing but obese women. Some were cool, but...it was never the same again. 2000's were the best time for mating and dating, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 10:49 PM
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I was a Chadlite (solid 7) who SLAYED before Tinder. And yeah...Tinder killed me. It was mediocre women from then on out. I still dated...but nothing like before. I had a really, really bad feeling when I got dumped in 2012 that she would be my last "really hot" GF...and I was right. Been a dump since then, but I will admit you can meet some nice women as you age and your looks criteria go down (keep it child free if you can). Just my hot take.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 10:18 PM
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It's a lose-lose. The mom is going to be stressed out 24/7, whatever provider guy is going to hate his life once the romance wears off, bio dad will be in and out of court for child support and the kids only get one parent. It's almost as if having unplanned children is a bad idea. Btw, my bad...this particular woman doesn't have kids yet, I don't think. Just looking to lock someone down.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/09/21 05:39 PM
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I've had sex with about 70 women and once dated the hottest Bettie Page-type goth chick in my entire area. The "will to reproduce" was quite strong with me, to the point where I thought mainly with my dick. Have you heard of something called condoms and birth control? They tend to prevent alcoholic losers like me from having the 5-6 kids we would have had crawling around prior to the sexual revolution. Evolution doesn't give a shit about your feelings, man. To thine own self be true. If you get …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:58 PM
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I can't even really blame these women: we all make dumb decisions in youth. I thought with my smaller head on A LOT of my GF's and dated some real...pieces of work. Still, I would not want to be her new provider guy...especially if there is a kid involved. To be honest, I would not want to be her "Chad" either (he is on the hook for child support). No one wins with unplanned kids, I guess.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/09/21 03:13 PM
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And yes, of the few people I know who got married and had kids, they all told me in private they resented it. One worked through it via A.A. and stayed with her for the kids (he told me they were a "liability" in private once), the other is an ex-band mate who told me I "dodged a bullet" by not getting married and having kids, and spent a month bitching to me about his marriage and his kid before his wife discovered his emails and we had to cease talking. Third guy loves his kid, but his wife DI…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:11 PM
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Some of us do not have the mental fortitude to handle having kids, even as a child support payer who never sees them. I am one of those people. I would have been in jail (and in and out) years ago if I had children. Evolution doesn't care about your feelings. For some men, yeah...it's better to avoid a wife and kids. I would have left mine years ago. Not everyone is mentally healthy, even if they look good.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:07 PM
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I used to be best friends with/bang a chubbier version of this girl in college. Campuses are filled with women like this, if she is of college age. Might be a few years out. The girl I dated had already blown like ten-fifteen guys on Facebook a month after she got it. She admitted this to me while drunk. Proto-hook up culture shit going on at FSU; she would just get invited over, blow em' and never talk again. 2006. You still had to have a college email address to log in back then. This has been…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/09/21 11:52 PM
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I'm 42, so that shit has long since sailed, but I "kind of" thought about settling down with a straight edge goth girl I dated about ten years ago. She turned out to be a total 304 after we broke up, so it was probably a bad idea. Every single guy who I know who settled down regretted it. One friend's (this is harsh) wife just died after 20 years of marriage and he admitted to me in private that he was more relieved than grieving. He wanted out years ago. Horrible to say, but he was being honest…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 11:23 PM
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I was a free wheeling, alcohol drinking, douchebag Chadlite who used all of my girlfriends for free rides and places to crash and drink until I was like 34 years old. I have since sobered up, but it was a great life. That's probably the best place to be 20-30. After 30, sure, if you want kids, be husband material. You are probably going to resent it, though. All dudes who I know who got married did. Especially if you have had the taste of being a reckless asshole (and still got validation for it…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 09:39 PM
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I was a narc, hipster Chad asshole at and around her age, and this is exactly the kind of woman my friends and I would use or sleep with. Minus the two kids. This look...it's a free country, ok? Do whatever. But this look doesn't scream "girlfriend material". She has tats on her face, for Lord's sake. What a world!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/09/21 04:10 PM
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I was single between 33-39 and had a lot of male friends who were also in a dry spell. I got a pretty cool, but very unattractive 29 year old careerist GF with no kids around 40 and dated her for two years. I can remember feeling "sorry" for my single, male friends and would kind of rub it in that my GF and I had gone to the park that day, gone record shopping, etc. Still, deep inside, I was pretty disappointed with what I was able to get later in life and wasn't that happy. One of my friends, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 04:01 PM
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As an older guy, I feel like most younger people (under 30) are into each other. I was cute as a kid, and even the more obese/not very pretty women I messed around with were attractive to me. At least on a primal level. These are like 18-26 year old women. I think when you start to get into 35+, you will find people really, really settling. You kind of have to when you get older. I dunno. Just my hot take.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 04:45 PM
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This thinking assumes a woman would even desire dating a man she doesn't want to have sex with. "Listen, he's a five foot tall Indian janitor. We don't have sex, but we are dating. He was the only man who agreed! They control that aspect, unfortunately."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 02:05 PM
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My last sponsor in A.A. is a SAHD and his wife is a medical doctor. From what he has said, she is also hot, too. He's sober, but just stays at home with the kids all day. Tall but not "great" looking guy, mid-40's. Kind of a doofus. I have no idea how he pulls this off, unless she just really likes having a baby sitter. She stayed with him through active drinking and DUI's, too. I think he briefly worked as a teacher, but hated it. I have no idea how these guys pull this stunt off, but I wouldn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 01:36 PM
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You can't see inside their minds. I was 40 and spent two years with my ex, who was 30's: we appeared to be and acted like a very happy couple. But it wasn't the same as stuff that happened when young. It's nice, it's comfortable...but it's not as intense. I always had a longing. Just my experience, maybe other 40 year olds are thrilled, I dunno.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 11:36 PM
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I'm 42 and just got out of a relationship a year ago: it's not the same, though. It's pleasant, but it it just companionship at that point. People meet after 40, yeah, and they are more mature, but it's not the same as youthful romance. And to be honest (this is going to sound harsh), the guy will always be thinking about younger women. And the woman will probably still be hung up on the father of her kid or whatever. Most people have romantic tragedy from the past they never get over.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 06:29 PM
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Unwanted children that they admitted they didn't want? I'm just curious, it seems like admitting to parental regret is becoming super normal now. I've had a number of people with grown up kids tell me this now. Both online and in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 06:26 PM
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It's absurd from a purely selfish standpoint: if you have a kid at 50 you will be 65 and trying to train up and deal with a teenager. You will be very tired. People don't realize how hard life gets after 40 and how tired you will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 06:20 PM
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I dated almost always younger women in my prime (so not an incel and not trying to promote Red Pill garbage) and I have to admit that 26 is when I noticed a sharp change in attitude. Maybe not even so much looks, but attitude. I dated a super hot goth chick when she was 21 and again when she was 24-26. She was wonderful at 21, 24 and 25 and then became very demanding and not at all fun at 26. Anecdotal, but it is what I have noticed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 06:17 PM
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I was handsome as a kid and 21-33ish was the best time of my life as per dating and just enjoying life and feeling good. Steep but slow decline after that into 40-something. 20's are the best time of life, bar none. Anyone who says otherwise is coping hard or had a HORRIBLE 20's and then had a glow up after 30 (rare).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 06:14 PM
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Can confirm: I was a pretty boy from around 21-30 and it will never get any better than that. Unless you are a super high earner (rare), a good looking guy's peak is like 20-26, same as a woman. I can see how guys who didn't get anything in their 20's and are using resources in their 30's could see it as a step up, though. It's not for people who were actually super hot...beginning of a long decline into 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 06:10 PM
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It's fucked up to analyze young love and mating in such a cold, hard way. I dunno it's fun to talk about but this place gets weird. I dated and had sex with average, attractive young girls when I was a kid and I loved them. That's about all there is to it. I went after who was cute who I thought I could get. This place gets insane with how overanalytical it is. No romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:54 PM
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Agreed. Life is bleak.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 05:03 AM
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Because sex is pleasure and raising children is displeasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 09:14 PM
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That's why I am saying it's the whole culture that has changed. People are totally fucking selfish now. It wasn't like this twenty years ago. We didn't Google MGTOW and INCEL shit and ramble on about this on Reddit. We just respectfully dated and tried to love our partners. Social media has made everyone prideful and haughty. And vain. It's probably Facebook, maybe Tinder. A combination of everything. The world is insane, there is no unity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 02:08 PM
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Sometime around 2012 is when I noticed the shift: part of it was me aging into my 30's, but I could tell something was wrong. People started taking the internet way too seriously and basically lived online. Dating seemed to be dying off and everyone around me was a single mother. All the women I grew up with, the hot girls I used to party with, all became single moms. Just something weird happened that last decade, mostly driven by the internet and whatnot. It's crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 11:00 AM
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I love all the women I dated and I will until they are 80. I think once we get past our dating and mating point, maybe 40, we need to reach into the spiritual realm. Or maybe even young guys with no luck do? It's good to explore your spiritual side. And stay in kindness and love, not in hate an resentment. Sometimes this modern dating situation between kids feels like a war.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 04:30 AM
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I'm 42, was hot as a kid, dated pretty much who I wanted to date (within reason) and only got set on fire twice in my life, in my 20's. The other relationships were just experience, sex and companionship. Young people, if good looking and lucky (and out there) will find real love and passionate connection like once or twice in youth. What old age brings, not sure. Probably not much based on what I can see.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 03:50 AM
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You have to be kind of selfless to be in a relationship. I remember women being like this up until about 2012, and then not. That's when it just started to become a hook up culture mess and everyone stopped thinking of other people or dating. I guess it was Tinder? But also the culture and the way people behaved just changed. Because I also had trouble making male friends past that year, and I was only like 33. 2000's were a much better decade and I see kids starting to open their eyes to that. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 03:48 AM
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Yeah, you guys care about looks for sure, then personality. I was a solid seven pretty boy as a kid and once I hit the attractiveness button, my personality could shine through. There were intense emotional connections, but there has to be that raw sexual feeling, too. Hardcore. Then you can play your Romeo bad boy games. OP might not be that hot, not to sound like a dick. I know (at least from youth) what it is like to have both the physical and emotional connection. There is nothing else like …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 01:38 AM
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I was in a band, and there was a show every weekend. I was either playing a show or promoting my own band at another band's show. See cute girl, approach. Back then AIM was the big thing, so she would write down her phone number and her AIM screen name and you would hit her up later that night. XPunkGothX probably had four or five guys hitting her up at a time (so there was still competition) and whoever was Chad won. It was like now in some ways (looks mattered), but you were competing with onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 01:01 AM
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I was in a band in the 2000's (the entire decade) and you have to be relatively good looking to get any women off of it. We had one, ugly older guy play bass for awhile (he was trying to get laid) and I don't think he ever got anything out of it. So if you are ugly, guitar won't work. I can tell you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 12:55 AM
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Guy 1: "Merr, my girlfriend did anal with a Chad before we dated!" Guy 2: "I feel you, bro. I got my skull blown off in Iraq and half of my legs are metal."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 05:08 AM
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If this is one of the most "traumatic" things that ever happened to you, you have had a cushy ass life. Weak generation, man. Very weak. And I would like to see studies where actual shrinks claim this can give you PTSD-level trauma, which I doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 04:17 AM
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I was a Chadlite in 2001 within the context of a local hipster/emo scene of about 100-200 kids: if you were even APPROACHING being a Chad back then, you were like some kind of heralded celebrity who could (within reason) date any 18-25 year old woman you so desired. And average and normal guys could date these same women given some time and patience. Guys like me and other "solid sevens" I knew within my social circle would be incels jerking off to Suicide Girls in 2021. So yeah...women knew may…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 08:38 PM
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Makes sense, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 03:38 AM
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Symptom of rising standards, do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 02:48 AM
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In 2001, at 21, in my local "hipster scene", I was considered a high end player and a catch. I am 5 9', gave off a bad boy vibe and kind of/sort of look like Ewan McGregor from "Trainspotting". This was living the high life, getting invited to parties and hang outs, dating popular local goth girls. I would guess a kid like me would be playing Fortnite these days. Alone. It was a different time with different standards and "just above average" was enough to get you tons of sex twenty years ago. "…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 02:17 AM
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One disturbing trend I have noticed is that this garbage has filtered up to women my age who I grew up with: those around 36. So you will have a woman who was just a laid back hipster girl, jeans and t-shirts/skater back in the day, who wanted to be known for her personality, suddenly using all these insane filters and trying to dress like a junior in college. It's really wild. I've noticed a lot of women 35-45 going back to the gym, too, Real nuclear arms race, and I think most of the competiti…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:06 PM
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Correct: I am 42 and the trend in the 90's was to be as plain as possible, with some sort of skater/hipster thing being the "cool" thing to do. Looks still mattered, but people didn't want to look like they were trying hard, and whoever was naturally hot was hot. This extended into the 2000's, at least among scene kids. We did not have "Chads" in my social group, and I was probably the closest thing, because I was metrosexual/hipster. This Tic Tok pretty boy thing is new.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:58 PM
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Yeah, go outside in a NON college town. Despite the Red Pill community's emphasis on youthful dating, there are a zillion people in this country over 50 who look like shit. I live in an area of Florida where you are hard pressed to see a 30 year old throughout the day, much less a 20 year old Instagram girl. And the young people I see usually look like crap. Any trip to Walmart in any city is a reality check as to what people actually look like in real life, which is not that great.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:56 PM
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Competition is higher, so there is a nuclear arms race to be hot to attract 20-something women. I was Chadlite level as a kid in the 2000's: my only competition was 5-20 local guys the girl knew. It was easy if you dressed cool, had moderately good fashion, etc. Maybe try to look like Jack White or a guy from The Strokes. I slayed. I wouldn't even know what to do in today's market, where you don't just pick up local girls at bars and shows. Would probably have ended up an incel. You can also add…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:53 PM
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I think I can get behind this in terms of: men 18-26 should be out with their friends, being boys/men, dating women and generally living it up. And the incel culture of sitting at home playing video games, which is the opposite of being a young guy or what a young guy should do, is toxic. Because then you end up with an Elliot Rogers type of kid who goes insane from lack of female interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:47 PM
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I think some guys just don't realize it or aren't aware. Many people don't think out the logistics of having a baby. So when the wife no longer dotes on you, but has to put all her energies into a child, it can come as a shock to some. A guy recently opened up about this at a meeting and the shift has caused him to isolate in the garage and drink. Guy loves his kids, but not the fact that she dotes on the kids. This is very common, I feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 06:05 PM
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Well my point is also: they have it much better today. If guys don't want to date them on POF, boo hoo. At least their kid isn't being called a bastard and landlords will rent to them, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 08:52 AM
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One thing that also never gets talked about, even with "normal" married couples: many men resent the fact that the mom spends so much time with the kid after the kid is born. The focus goes from the man to the children. I know guys in my 12-step program who are dealing with this and the sudden shift drove some to drink. If this is true in NORMAL BIOLOGICAL couples, how much more fucked would you feel if the kid is not even yours? Just being real.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 08:51 AM
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The "Chad" thing with single moms is a bit overblown. I know plenty of ugly ass dudes who fathered children with a women real young on accident and that woman was probably the only piece of ass he ever got. I know an ugly-as-fuck ex-bandmate who was roommates with a girl and had a "whoops" baby with her...this dude has probably not been with a woman since. They couldn't make it work out. I know a ton of ugly dudes who had kids early on. A lot of it is Chad pretty boy types, sure...but not all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 08:44 AM
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Folks, you are young: single moms had a huge, huge stigma in the 1960's, when this whole thing started. Many hippie women (including my mother, after giving birth to my older half brother) were shunned for getting pregnant out of wedlock in the heat of 1968. The kids were referred to as "bastards" and the mother was basically seen as a whore. This stigma has gone down a lot since, then, but it it still kinda/sort there. So I dunno...single mothers certainly have it better now than they did 40 or…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 08:36 AM
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Yeah any long term thing requires understanding love. You are going to be living together, getting fat, farting around each other, etc. This is partly why I never wanted to love with a woman, haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 06:01 PM
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I'm going to agree with these two definitions of love, but add this: passionate love comes with it the illusion of unconditional love or future understanding love. You believe she will accept whatever she finds inside of you as you open up, especially in the heat of passion. Once the wild sex and partying starts to fade, you might find she is not into your depression, bi-polar, whatever issue. Many people get burned like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 05:42 PM
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I think you answered your own question: an ugly or unattractive man could produce bad offspring. Men don't mind a one night stand with an ugly or obese woman because they will not probably be around to take care of the child. You would be amazed how little some men care about their children. I am talking to a guy in my 12 step program in his 50's: his son just went to prison. He doesn't care. "I need to focus on me." It's the women who do the investing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 10:06 PM
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I did well with women in my 20's and was in college and sleeping around. I like the idea of women who were also living it up and doing the same. I was in active alcoholism, though. But yeah...dated exactly one girl who never did the college thing and was kind of a trad con shut in and she bored me. Modern liberated women can be kind of fun if you aren't looking to tie them down. Not a popular opinion, but the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 10:03 PM
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Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 08:39 PM
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I was drawn to the same in women when I was a kid, but be real: this only matters past a certain looks threshold. But yeah, education and having a lot of friends was (to me) a sign of a stable partner. Plus it gives you a new social group to hang out with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 11:27 PM
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I was very good looking but compassionate as a kid: if you are high in empathy, you are well aware that you have an advantage over friends and other people in your social group and humbly take advantage of it (mostly sex, also school and work) without being a snob. If you are low in empathy you will rub it in other people's faces and use people with it. It depends on how self aware you are and how arrogant you are, I think. Just my two cents.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 07:13 AM
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This was in regards to married couples and I have no idea where the study is from. He is a bit hyperbolic and also claims that 70% of marriages end in divorce, which I was always of the opinion that that was a bit high. So it could be off: the book is full of weird stats he uses and gives no resources for.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 05:55 AM
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I've dated/been with two "near ten" women who were legit a nine. Both rich Jewish girls who were in the same social circle. One was a complete angel; the other was a complete bitch who was talking about gold digging as early as 18. So I don't know if it is looks so much as upbringing and genetics. Some hot women are amazing, some are really arrogant. These women knew each other and grew up together and the difference in attitude as per being hot was astonishing. The nice one was super humble abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 02:59 AM
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Yeah, this. I was a solid Chatlite as a kid (at least a 7, rock solid) and tended to either date at that level or below. Which was fine for me. The two times I with ACTUALLY SUPER HOT women (legit ten, actress/model hot), it was very off-putting. I dated one and then didn't really bother with the other besides hook ups because she was too hot for me. It's a real thing. I never got the best girl, but I got the best girl FOR ME.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 02:58 AM
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I think this about all of my ex's and to be honest, only one or two were super hot. The rest were just "cute". But there are things called emotions and "growing on people", and it makes you find "just cute" women to be a Stacy. I dunno, sometimes there seems to be a certain level of psychopathy on these subs. Yeah, looks are huge, but people do date and fall in love when young. It might not last long, but oxytocin and pair bonding are real things. Gets weird how academic and cold we can be on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 02:55 AM
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Ok so just to weight in: according to Coach Greg Adams in his book "The Free Agent Lifestyle", men and women cheat at about a 50/50% percent ratio. Meaning half of men and half of women cheat. So he claims it is pretty well even. Just passing this in here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 02:51 AM
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Resources. Hot guys who sleep around a lot tend to not have a lot of resources and aren't looking/willing to support a woman long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 02:45 AM
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Men desire a wider range of women than women do men. Men tend to like everything from skinny to chubby. Women don't. That's the difference in your 20's. Men will basically sleep with anything, I know I did. Everything from hot to not hot
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 02:44 AM
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I was mentally ill in my 20's and living with my mother and I still had some of the hottest women in my social circle coming over to sleep with me. I was literally...I should have been in a mental institution. Women always said the same thing about me: "he is hot...but he is crazy!". Why would all these women sleep with me? I just looked at a picture of myself at 25 years old and found out the answer...my face. They put zero thought into providing, because 18-25 year old women already live at ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 01:58 PM
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I completely get what you are saying, but the security of modern birth control since about 1963 over rides a lot of this stuff. Women tend to be going for men with good DNA, regardless of the security he can provide. Or provision. Why else would there be so many dead beat dads? Why did I get laid constantly as a kid with no resources and no job? Because I had good DNA and good facial structure for a baby. "Sexy sons hypothesis"- aka a good looking loser who can get a girl pregnant will beget ano…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 10:00 PM
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I looked like River Pheonix as a kid and was an absolute pig. Any weird thing you can think of, I did it by the age of 26. If men had the options women have, they would do the same thing. Then settle down later in life. There just happens to be a bigger demand for women than for men. Sex and hook up culture is out of control, but people can be very puritanical about this stuff. I have heard guys complain about a notch count of ten. That's not even that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:13 PM
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Agreed on that.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/08/21 01:56 PM
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Yeah, but she doesn't have to wipe asses or clean up crap for the next 18 or more years. Career women can at least have fun. Girls like this are confined to a life of drudgery and bad dating prospects. Career women are merely jaded and picky. I dunno, both bad, but the career girl trumps this, I think.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/08/21 12:53 PM
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I was in a band as a kid and was "pretty" and pretty much fit some kind of alcoholic/bad boy stereotype for the women around me: The "first guy" doesn't end up with her in the end, but he gets her basically for free in a very casual relationship that (for me, at least) mainly revolves around having sex and drinking. I didn't even own a car: the women would just pick me up. So that's like the bad boy from youth. She isn't going to hassle you for money or to do much, other than hang out and have s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 09:02 PM
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This is why I never understood the shaming of career/cat lady women on Reddit and men's spaces. Yes, college/career/travel women are insufferable, but they did the right thing in not having children at 20.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/08/21 03:30 PM
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I just see two annoying brats who are not mine, so I think this is backfiring.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/08/21 03:28 PM
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I continue to make this claim: 3-4 kids is the domain of the uneducated and stupid. I dated upper crust, college educated women throughout my 20's and NONE of them turned out like this. They are careful about sex and will abort if pregnant. Only my trashiest girlfriend had a kid. The rest did college/career and either are cat ladies or married really late in the game to a beta in a child-free, wine/travel relationship. This does not happen to the upper crust kids. I'm not trying to be classist, …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/08/21 03:14 PM
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How do you load up on three kids by 28? I fucked and partied/drank my way through my entire 20's and I was still pretty much a clean slate when I turned 28. Birth control? Condoms? Abortion? How do they let it get this far?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/08/21 03:11 PM
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I dunno. I've never made a good friendship since quitting bands at 33. And I have been in A.A. (where you are supposed to meet other guys and bond) the entire time since then. I've yet to see a friendship/relationship that wasn't based on an exchange of something, even if it was just good DNA you could give your girlfriend in youth because you were cute. People are selfish and look for what they want. Most people get their "companionship" from the 'puter in 2021 and don't seem to be looking for …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 03:03 PM
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Had one of the most epic years of my life with this women. Was in a band: she was front and center at every show. We did everything together. She didn't want kids, but was off to a different college and then NYC. I wasn't along for the ride. Ended because I cheated and got caught. Still feel horrible about it. Probably the purest love relationship I was ever in (she was 18; I was 21). She later got super fat and smashed into the wall at jet speed, but was able to land an ugly, seemingly very nic…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 02:59 PM
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I dated a short, chubby punk girl with a good face at 21 because she was super outgoing and went after me, which made dating her really easy. It was all pre-set up for me; she knew me through my social circle. And I was on the Chadlite/pretty boy end of things. Her other boyfriends were all Chad level, too. I would say you have to be at least hot in the face, but short chubby women who are outgoing like this can kill it. Whereas if they were anti-social they might not get as much. Still love and…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 11:27 AM
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I say this as a pretty boy who came up in the 2000's, but when I was a kid you had to 1.) chainsmoke in the corner of a parking lot at a punk show in drunken attempt to look like James Dean and 2.) get up the courage to approach her before everybody went home. Lest I am accused of pretty privilege, this is the same approach technique my lesser, ugly and plain male friends used and it always worked. If it didn't work, on to the next girl. If that night didn't work, on to the next show next weeken…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 11:23 AM
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I just commented on this: if you have good DNA, walking for thirty minutes is all you need to do to maintain it. And prior to getting into walking, I spent 20-30 basically chainsmoking, eating junk food and sitting on my ass. Got laid and dated constantly for those ten years. No gym for your face, and like the incel meme goes, "just take a shower, bro" was all you needed to do before she came over. Keep the hair short so you can gel it. DNA is 80% of youthful dating and sex. And yeah, models don…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 11:17 AM
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Simply walking kept me at near-Chad levels until around 40 years old. If you have good DNA, a half an hour walk and some light exercise is all you need. Gym is for people who want to morph into something non-human. Big money making rip off. DON'T run, though. You will destroy your body....half hour walk...every day. Don't skip.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 11:14 AM
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As a 42 year old, this stuff is insane to watch. It appears that for an average male, unless you are going some Tony Robbins level self-help guru shit and "hitting the gym" five times a week, you will never even get near a woman. When I was a kid, you chainsmoked Pall Malls, grew a Strokes haircut and called it a day. You could easily get a girlfriend. There is something that exists called being "cool". Does this not exist anymore? This self help bullshit is ridiculous and if I were a woman, wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 11:08 AM
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They don't wake up at 30 and decide to be a good mate, but they do wake up at 30 and decide that any chubby, bearded hipster loser with a steady job is a better mate than a shiftless, alcoholic Chad who lives at home. I was the AF as a kid and ALL of my ex-girlfriends later just married ugly dudes with "meh" but steady jobs. So yeah, you can wait them out. You won't get them at their best, but they also won't be 50-60.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 11:05 AM
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I was in bands as a kid and "friends" were usually "building relationships" in order to used-car-salesman you into playing in their band. But...that's life. People don't hang out with other people who don't provide anything. Sad but true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 11:01 AM
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In 2001, any given loser could grow a shaggy haircut a la Jack White or The Strokes, go out once a week and end up with a girlfriend. All you really had to do was overcome the fear of approach (which takes about two weekends). This stuff is insane, dude. I am 42 years old and I am mind boggled by how hard dating is for you guys. EVERYONE wanted to date when I was a kid, women and men. And women would just date their local looksmatch. There were a few outliers who could only date obese or ugly wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 10:59 AM
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The more I read this sub (which is more realistic than Black or Red Pills subs), the more I would say everyone should just go their own way. This is insane, dude. Dating has always been competitive, like in the 2000's when I came up, but never like this. This is like some kind of Hunger Games shit, only the prize is to get a shitty girlfriend for six months. I mean, I don't know how we came to this, but as a 42 year old...wow. I would just say forget it. I see why so many young guys have given u…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 10:54 AM
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I don't know, but I looked good as a kid, and had a lot of non-acquaintance one night stands. Meaning people who were total strangers and that I met in a bar. Usually, these leads to a really awkward thing in the morning where you would kind of regret what you did, sober up if you were drinking, and politely excuse yourself. Not really a "pump and dump" thing done with malice, more like how awkward strangers react after they just had sex. You ditch and don't see them again. Sometimes if I left m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 03:37 PM
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You HAVE TO be smart and keyed into this. I was a hipster Chadlite as a kid and dated hipster high level Becky women. Right below a Stacy with some flaws. Like an awkard, but still hot, sister of a Stacy.They were amazing young women who were sexy as hell, but you have to stay in your lane. Some might have been a little chubby in the behind. One had some acne scars, but was still gorgeous and had a baby face. I got EXACTLY the kind of women a Chadlite should get in his 20's: they were hot, but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 10:38 PM
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Jesus, hypergamy is insane. You are a good man who did the best he could. How did you handle the divorce? Painful?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 09:26 PM
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Jesus, that is awesome. Did she get the kids? Like how did it all pan out? How did she meet this joker?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 08:42 PM
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I am sorry. Are you still practicing law? My dad was a lawyer and my dream was to be a lawyer. But I have mental illness. Did you get out of public defender office to to do private practice? What age did you go to law school?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 07:39 PM
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Hey, how old is your wife? You started a family at 47? Could you expand upon how you did this? Do you have a lot of money. I am 42 and single and would love some insight. You seemed to make it work later in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 05:43 PM
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Well when I was 26 I dated a 21 year old and I just saw her as a beautiful woman I wanted to love and protect. And cuddle with, love on and just be loving on. And now I feel that with say a 31 year old. Sounds weird, but I am a weird guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 05:39 PM
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I meant that you fade out with younger women. No 21 year old is going to give you attention. However, 31, 36, 37? That is possible. You just have to be open minded. My last GF was 30 when I was 40. You need to start looking at 30 like you looked at 21 when you were a kid. Gotta be real.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 05:20 PM
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62 is pushing it, but my point: there are women 30-50 (and even above) who are still cute and might be a cool human being to connect with. We tend to dehumanize women with this "wall" crap, I think. Some are quite nice. Some have no kids these days. I ALWAYS see 30-40 year old child free women on POF. Some are cuties. Are they 21 year old Pornhub material? No. Could you have a cool connection with them? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 05:11 PM
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You can turn to God and spirituality and you can start to be more open minded about who you date. At 40, I was dating a very obese, but very sweet 29 year old. No kids, career girl. She was an amazing person and I miss her very much. If you drop your looks bullshit and don't worry so much about age, there is a 30-50 or even more group of women. Some are very sweet. It will be ok. The false narrative about men "killing it" in their 40's needs to end with this MGTOW b.s. I was hottest from like 18…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 04:59 PM
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I have a sweet and friendly disposition, I have women interested. I am just going through some stuff. A 36 year old was into me, I dated a 30 year old. 35-45 or older is probably where I can go now. Some are chill. Maybe I will have another romance, who knows? But yeah I work on myself spiritually all the time and would love to find a very spiritual middle aged woman to hang out with. I am in A.A. so who knows what could happen later.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 04:46 PM
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I saw a 62 year old hottie at my A.A. meeting today. You just have to adjust. It's hard for sure, especially if you did well as a kid. How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 04:43 PM
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I am 42 and it's over for me. I was hot as a kid and got laid all the time with no money: you start to fade out around 35, 38. It;s all downhill for younger women from there. They don't want you. It sucks, cuz we want you so bad. And want to take care of you. Such is life!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 12:08 PM
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Yeah: I was hot as fuck as a man as a kid and my peak was like 30. You go up and up form 18-30 and then in early thirties you become like a daddy figure. A lot of mid-20's women will want to have sex with you. After 35, women stop caring as much and you fade away. This is when you need to become a spiritual person and stop worrying about sex, IMO. Guys in their 40's who are getting laid must be taking very good care of themselves and have money. So yeah, 20-35? Is the peak for men? that was me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 12:07 PM
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One of my ex's has borderline personality disorder and has been with...God knows how many men. I would guess 100 as a conservative estimate. She sucks at relationships. Guess what else she sucks at? Holding down a job (is on SSI), taking care of her pets (she still lives at home) and being independent (she is 35 and lives with her mom). So yeah, people with a high N count often have mental health issues, which drive this. Not the high N count.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 12:42 PM
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I was a self centered pretty boy as a kid and a really arrogant prick and I did quite well with women. You almost have to be selfish to survive in this world, otherwise you will be dragged down into someone else's bullshit. Like marrying a single mom who is 33 and dealing with that. That guy may be the most "ethical" guy in the world, but who wants to be that guy? As Christ said, "do not cast your pearls before swine." Don't be nice to people who are just going to take advantage of you. Foolish.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 11:30 AM
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Jesus, but the seed was planted, you know? Might become a thing.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/08/21 08:57 AM
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(In a lawyer's office, seven years later) "Yes, he was very abusive" "He emotionally abused my child." "Yes, I feel I am entitled to half." "I don't want him to have ANY custody over Timothy!"
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/08/21 08:17 AM
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Are you serious?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/08/21 08:04 AM
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I grew up in a 2000's emo/hipster circle and the displays of AF/BB I see in it are insane. Dudes who wouldn't have even been shit on by these women end up marrying them mid-30's once they have some cash in the bank. Meanwhile, every local band drug addict artist fucked/dated her in her prime. I know this is huge in every community, because it's just female nature, but WOW...that 2000's emo scene was loaded with it. All the broke pretty boys got the girls and then the girls later married a beta.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/08/21 08:03 AM
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I'm a dude who does 12 step programs: I will take that over therapy any day. They don't put up with self pity because it's considered a self centered character defect. As a hardass 80 year old woman at my local church says, "suck it up, buttercup". If you can find a good, no bullshit A.A. clubhouse, you will be better off than therapy, IMO.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/08/21 08:00 AM
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She got pregnant in the prime of life and has had 12 years to secure a beta guy. So you know there is some crazy backstory. Maybe sex work. Maybe just continued to date bad boys...maybe even supported herself, the kid and the bad boy at some point. Very fishy. That's 12 lost years where I can assure you a chick in her 20's isn't just working and raising her boy. There was a lot of dick in that decade.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/08/21 07:55 AM
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"You're not my real father!" "Sorry, I'm just not that sexual of person." "Don't tell him what to do, you are not his real father!" "Can you buy me a car?" etc etc etc etc etc.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/08/21 07:52 AM
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She's had 12 years to secure the beta buxx dude with no luck. And was in prime of life when a single mom (remember, being 18 can kind of even out being a mom). So my guess is women like this still Chad it up until the kid is 12 or 13, then look for the beta guy. Cuz and 18 year old with a child, while way behind her peers in terms of SMV, should still be able to find an older sucker. Oh well.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/08/21 07:51 AM
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Correct: was later made into a black and white film in the 30's, I believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:35 AM
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I dated what I consider to be high level leftist hipsters in the 2000's (well educated, hot, etc) and ALL (and I mean all) of them dated around and worked in their 20's and then settled down in their mid-30's. My first GF just now got married at 37ish after moving to New York City and focusing on career goals after college. She's really lived the life. None of these women wanted to have children. They all partied in their 20's and dated around (I was one of those guys). They seem content with li…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 11:31 PM
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I looked like River Pheonix in my 20's and my life was filled with women and sex: I was walking in a booby trap the entire time. I was constantly paranoid about pregnancy, constantly dealing with women being upset/mad at me, etc. I liked the attention and I kind of miss all the attention that goes along with being young and handsome, but Jesus...I have some great memories from when I was a kid, but I also have nightmare memories of being yelled at, hit, pushed out of a car, etc. It's a curse, re…
/r/MGTOW01/08/21 09:14 AM
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I'm not huge on the 90's, maybe post-1997. I am more into 2000-2009. Remember, things were actually kind of boring in the 90's. 2003 or so was a perfect blend of internet at home and NO internet when you were out and about. Socialize until 2am, come home, maybe sit online for a few hours. The digital revolution seemed great around 2000, because young people had achieved some kind of balance. And weren't on the phone face to face. It was just a fun, interactive thing to do when you got home that …
/r/MGTOW01/08/21 05:52 AM
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Yeah and it's just gotten worse and worse since then. Also the year Tinder and online dating became a real thing, normalized. What a culture. Hard to believe there was a time you could sit at Denny's with your girlfriend and her friends, everyone talking, no cell phone distractions, people just meandering and hanging out all night...totally in the moment. What a time!
/r/MGTOW01/08/21 05:13 AM
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In 2001, when I was 21, if you were 21 and just sitting at home playing video games and going your own way, I would have told you you were wasting you life. That you needed to come out to the club or the show with me. But from what I see now, in 2021, twenty years later...the only sane guys are avoiding this whole thing. Different ballgame and the big shift happened around 2012, IMO. Been downhill since.
/r/MGTOW01/08/21 04:13 AM
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MGTOW guys bitch about the death of the 1963, high school educated factory worker who brought home the bacon for his whole tribe, all the while maintaining they don't want to be this guy. But yet lamenting the death of this culture. MGTOW guys should be happy: never has their been a better time to go your own way. Women can take care of themselves now.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 02:26 AM
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I pointed this out above, so I will point it out again: through most of human history, the majority of what we ate came from gathering, a lot of which was done by women. Hunting was hit-or-miss (literally), so meat just filled out the rest. Women staying at home was a short, brief part of history. Most women have worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 02:25 AM
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Most of what our ancestors ate came from gathering (mostly done by women); the rest was filled out with men hunting for meat. If you think that cavemen weren't led around/bossed around by their wives, you are delusional. Women have been running the show through most of history.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 02:22 AM
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I am a mentally ill aged out Chad who has struggled with depression and PTSD his entire life. How about help me? Pay me? Love me? This is why I don't feel bad about being a prick to my girlfriends when I was a Chad loser. I would make my ex drive me places. One I hit up for food. FUCK THEM. USE THEM. If you can, you have to look good. Get shit from THEM. Why do WE have to be good to THEM? Because they have a smelly pussy? Guess what, I have a huge, fat cock. You are no better than I am. ​ God I …
/r/MGTOW01/08/21 01:28 AM
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It's a lose-lose for both parties. It's completely against any sort of Godly understanding of marriage. This step parent shit is just some hippie bullshit people came up with. Man. God never intended it to be like this. It's always a mess.
/r/MGTOW30/07/21 12:19 PM
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From what I have read, women do it more for attention, yeah. I have no idea who attempts more. I just know that men are more successful due to the means they use. Which are more lethal.
/r/MGTOW30/07/21 03:40 AM
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100% agree and you don't have to fuck a million women or provide your wife and brat children with a 150/K a year Smartphone Programmer income to be of value. All men have value, even if society tries to shame us into thinking we are pieces of shit.
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 01:53 PM
1

I have been looking into this for the obvious AF/BB aspect, but what happens? Sorry I don't want to bother to watch it. He lets her cheat with Brad? Or what?
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 11:32 AM
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I am studying Ephesians and it's got a whole part dedicated to how a woman should submit to her husband. Jesus also spoke of not getting divorced unless there was cheating. And of course, adultery is one of the Commandments. The Bible gives a complete run down of how a tradcon family should work: man at the head, no cheating by either party and kids respect the parents in a two parent family. This was the norm for people for ages. We have gone far from it.
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 11:23 AM
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I was the dom in a daddy dom relationship I had with a 24 year old when I was 33. She was completely submissive, had BPD, did whatever I told her to do and had huge, fake tits. Goth girl. It was the closest I will ever come to having or dating an actual sex doll. I cannot even describe how good this relationship was when it was running well. I felt like god. Of course, two years later when I backed out of marriage and the claws came out, the sub perfect angel left and Satan came out. I've never …
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 11:20 AM
2

This tradcuck and Shapiro are actually smart guys who make a lot of sense on issues...unless we are talking about marriage. Both are beta buxx deluxe. Steven Crowder is the same way. All the right wing commentators are married, etc. Very foolish. They sound smart when they mock the left, but when you look at their lives...pathetic.
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 11:17 AM
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He's funny and his conservative stuff can be entertaining, but he is basically a married beta buxx moron. Def. not a MGTOW...totally family man.
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 11:14 AM
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A lot of what you guys are talking about is conditional, ie, achieving goals, etc. Albert Ellis, the only good shrink there ever was, said any human can respect themselves and claim to be good just because they are 1.) alive 2.) human and 3.) unique. That's it. As long as you are alive and breathing, you can count yourself as "worthwhile" or "worthy". This works best for me. Because even if you are single, "I am doing well" or "I achieved my goals" can get conflated into "I provide for my family…
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 11:12 AM
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I know women who are 80-100 K in student loan debt for worthless degrees that they never even completed. They would just transfer from State Uni to State Uni and use it basically as a travelling gimmick. We really need to get (and I include my English degree self in this mix) 18-25 year old humans out of the mindset that they can "do whatever they want" and stop shoving college down everyone's throats. We don't need to know any of this shit. I wish I would have just started my own lawncare busin…
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 11:03 AM
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I dated three rich girls in my prime (product of a Rabbi, doctor and a real estate guru) and they were all horny as fuck. But then again, so were the working class women I dated. Background does make a subtle difference, though. The rich girls just seemed more decadent. Big drug/drinkers, too. They never think about police or laws in my experience. So you have to be very careful, because she might get bailed out of whatever trouble you get into, but you will be on your own.
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 10:59 AM
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I had a male therapist in cheap group therapy I went to for like three years: the older ones are just blue pilled simps, though. Part of our homework assignment was to find a girlfriend. A lot of the older ones are married beta buxxx dudes who don't even understand what they are to the woman, let alone how the brain works. I've found both male and female shrinks to be blue pilled as fuck.
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 10:55 AM
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More suicide victims are male because men choose more violent, lethal means, ie, guns, jumps, noose, etc. Women use piddly things like drug overdose or wrist cutting, which they can easily survive or back out of. It's not about the shrink seeking: it's just a matter of the methods men vs. women use.
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 10:54 AM
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Most men don't think their lives have inherent value, though. They feel they need to be providing or else they are useless. I was a pretty boy/Chad as a kid who always had a hot GF in my 20's, but was piss poor: I never could enjoy it, because in the back of my mind, I always thought I needed to provide for them, long term. I didn't know AF/BB or any of that shit. Had I realized they just saw me as "fun" in youth and I wasn't a long term prospect, I wouldn't have worried about it so much. I was …
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 10:52 AM
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The stranger living with your kids thing is what pushes dudes over the edge. If women divorced, struggled like hell trying to raise their kids and ended up celibate for the rest of their lives, people would walk away from this shit much less upset. That's what ended up happening a lot years ago. But in today's society, some Chad or whatever will be moving in ASAP. It's them going on to have great lives that fuck men up. I think.
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 10:48 AM
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I recently had chronic nerve pain in my back that was supposed to last for years and years (it only lasted 7 months). I also was having chronic pain issues related to my teeth and have a host of mental problems. I was close...but made it through. I think if shit is SO BAD that you can barely make it through the day (sickness, chronic pain, etc), then you are legit in killing yourself. Anything to do with other people? Fuck no. If you are divorced and in the shitter but still healthy, there is no…
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 10:46 AM
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It's actually because women ATTEMPT suicide at the same rate with piddly stuff like wrist cutting and pills. Men are more likely to get a gun and Cobain it, ie, really die. The methods men and women use are totally different. Men drug/drink and then go out violently, usually with a gun of a jump. Women don't.
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 10:41 AM
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I have to admit I find her hot as hell: she really played down her sexuality when she was 18 or so, but now that she is getting a bit older, out come the tits and the blonde hair. She was saving that for later once the attention got off her for a bit. Very sexy girl, not going to lie. Very annoying, very sexy girl!
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 10:38 AM
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I was a pretty boy who got laid a lot as a kid and dated all over the place: the fucked up thing is that they don't really care about EITHER guy. The dude they just want to party with and have sex with is tossed aside because he doesn't have the money. The beta guy they settle for later on is used for money but seen as "boring" compared the party guy. Women want a man who doesn't exist....the alpha male model resource provider! Men will settle for anything.
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 10:34 AM
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The bad boy who dates/fucks here when she is 18-24ish was the real winner. The dude or husband she ends up with long term isn't. It takes awhile for men to figure this out, and it was actually a huge relief to me later in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 02:27 AM
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Yeah, a lot of "open minded" guys who go along with this are just desperate to keep the chick around. Yeah, another guy fucks her, but she comes home to me, etc. I don't think many are that willing. There are a small amount of bi-guys who probably get involved, but straight dudes are just going along with this the same way a wife would go along with a wood shopping in the garage or whatever. Just to maintain things and not put up a fight.
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 02:13 AM
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As a young guy, I started drinking to cope at 16. I dated a lot of party girls/alcoholics in my 20's, and realized they were drinking more to party and have fun than to deal with mental issues. But now that they are older, they drink to cope. Makes sense. Starts off fun; ends up being medication for any trauma you experience in your 30's, 40's, 50's, etc.
/r/MGTOW29/07/21 02:07 AM
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I'm a burned out Chad from the "scene kid" era of the 2000's, and I can tell you this: almost all the women I slept with/dated liked to 1.) drink/drug to black levels and 2.) get fucked. A lot of young guys here are projecting some kind of tradcon shit onto 18-25 year old women. Sorry, guys, 18-25 year old girls are decadent sluts. Ride with it and have fun with them or avoid them. DO NOT expect to find a unicorn or a girl who doesn't want to live like this under 27, 30 years old. The few girls …
/r/MGTOW27/07/21 06:40 PM
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I was a Chadlite in my 20's (so had options) and dated an emo girl who I thought seemed sweet but later found out she was a townie who was escorting and not a college student. She was like 19. I figured I was a pretty liberal dude, but I made it two weeks with this chick before I called it off. I just couldn't handle the escort shit. So as she left my apartment, she poured bleach all over my carpet. Wonderful. Two weeks was as long as I could do it. My best friend dated a stripper/escort (not ev…
/r/MGTOW27/07/21 06:30 PM
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I am a 42 year old burned out Indie rock Chad and when 1.) I see the 22 year old with the pink hair and the nose piercing 2.) I poop my pants. Works like a charm and has since 1999. Quite powerful!
/r/MGTOW26/07/21 11:37 PM
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I remember that in 2001 you could find an "ok" 18-24 year old woman. I even dated a virgin who was quite pretty at one point. Shit like that no longer exists. Anyways, all those women ended up being career gals who rode the C.C. until their 30's. Some married around 35, some did not. Younger generation of women has caught onto this and plan to do the same thing. It's up to the youth to wake up. It's a real shit show out there. I sometimes think about my first 18 year old girlfriend from 2000 and…
/r/MGTOW26/07/21 01:58 PM
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I was an alcoholic loser pretty boy as a kid: if memory serves, I slept with almost every woman I bought a cheap well drink for. I also supplied the (cheap) bottles for the alcoholic women I dated for a year or so. And I bought my own condoms. They usually supplied the location to hang out. And of course, the sex. You have to do SOMETHING. Way better than paying their rent, buying a home, etc. Not that bad.
/r/MGTOW26/07/21 11:43 AM
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I usually scoff at this, too, but there are a number of scene girls from my punk heyday in the 2000's who are now local single moms. Some I slept with, some I did not. I could easily see myself dropping my guard if one of these girls came into my life, because a lot of them are still very hot. One is a yoga instructor and wow.... So yeah, context matters. If you just met her on POF and you are both 40, no. If you knew her when she was 18...shit changes. Nostalgia, she might still be hot, etc.
/r/MGTOW26/07/21 09:22 AM
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Yeah...I had a lot of girlfriends and sex in my 20's. That was always my biggest fear, and for some reason I was convinced it would come true. Both of my baby boomer parents had kids 19, 21 years old. But thank God it never happened. Nothing against kids, but it's not for me.
/r/MGTOW26/07/21 09:20 AM
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"I've grown a lot" "I've missed you." "I have herpes" ​ etc. be prepared!
/r/MGTOW26/07/21 08:41 AM
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Yeah, this is why Buddha left his wife and kids to go meditate. He needed time to reach Nirvana and figure things out. Also, Christ (my friend had to point this out to me) would often get away from the 12 and go chill by himself in the woods for long periods of time. Often days. Even while he was doing his works on Earth. He needed the solitude to think. All great intellectuals and spiritual leaders were kind of loners, thought in seclusion, etc. You need to get away from "the world". And nothin…
/r/MGTOW26/07/21 03:25 AM
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This woman I speak of is a real trip: uber hipster 35 year old Portland woman who fucked every guy in my area before she moved (including me). She is low-to-medium IQ and argues with me about everything. 100+ K in student loan debt for a liberal arts degree she never got. Abortion at 20 with a model-hot Chad and didn't keep the baby...but now wants a baby. Dresses and acts like she is still 25 years old. On Facebook all day. I could go on...these aren't memes or caricatures, real women are like …
/r/MGTOW25/07/21 06:08 PM
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68 was feminism, sex revolution and entire cultural revolution all rolled into one. And the shift from Catholic to heading into these Eastern religions. It all happened in one or two years, all at the same time. I think the gay rights movement was the same time frame...68, 69? The only thing that was stretched a bit further than this was abortion, because Roe. V. Wade didn't happen until 1973. All in the same era.
/r/MGTOW25/07/21 04:06 PM
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I think the sexual revolution was the major shift, but you also had feminism, people starting to freak out over Roe. V. Wade by 1973 (so all that shit) AND...this is the major thing with hippies...a rebellion against the church they grew up in. So a slide into secular life. A lot of bombshells went off at once and we still live in the shock waves of it now.
/r/MGTOW25/07/21 03:06 PM
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The dumbest guys I know in A.A. are married/kids tradcon dudes 30-50. The smartest guy I ever met in A.A. is basically a MGTOW monk who lives alone. Wife/family simply does not give you enough time to sit down and think logically, nor study anything of value. You are too busy brining home the bacon. Most dude's last intellectual spree was college, so they stopped at 22. If you ever read incel forums, those kids are some of the wittiest, brightest kids on the planet, IMO. Hilarious website and th…
/r/MGTOW25/07/21 02:51 PM
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WW2 people were hardasses who created total pussies. They sent their kids off to college and they all became liberal hippies. I also have a theory that blue pilled Boomers never felt "man enough", because most didn't go off to Vietnam, so they never fought in a war like their dad did. There is some weird competition going on there. So they become further blue pilled.
/r/MGTOW25/07/21 02:46 PM
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It made sense to people who went through 1968. My dad is a totally blue pilled lawyer. You went to college, got a job, got married, had kids. Blue pill worked in blue pilled times, when Christianity and Catholicism still reigned and you didn't have to work 9,000 hours a week to maintain a family. College, medium level of hustle at a job, easy to find a wife.They are just projecting the early 1960's onto the shitshow of 2021. Clueless.
/r/MGTOW25/07/21 02:43 PM
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Yeah, all the hipster feminists I grew up with/dated were raised by tradcon 80's dads. It's not the father's fault. The kids weren't listening to their parents, they were listening to the culture and peers. Past 14 or 15 I think, parents become secondary to peers and culture. You can only do so much. I dated punk girls and feminists in my youth, lots of them. The dads were good guys, hard workers. Construction guys, firefighters, etc. I blame the mom, culture and peer group.
/r/MGTOW25/07/21 02:41 PM
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Also Christ never married and Buddha (which, btw, is basically Christianity with an anti-family bent) left his wife and kids to find enlightenment. No great spiritual leader ever got married and had kids. You only do this if you "burn with passion".
/r/MGTOW25/07/21 02:39 PM
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Do you have to go solo parent then? I get it, she was probably hot and "fun" when she was young. Men grow out of this scene and tend to lean conservative and women fucking get more and more LGBTQ/gay satan worship with age. To the point of dropping out of parenting. Maybe she will do van life? Lol. I'm sorry man, this sucks balls. I bet you are a good man, too. Maybe she will get some cool tats to commemorate her "journey". Perhaps she can dive really far into Eastern thought. They tell you fami…
/r/MGTOW25/07/21 02:29 PM
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No doubt this guy grew up in a blue pilled fantasy world and claims "MGTOW" while being a tradcuck.
/r/MGTOW25/07/21 02:23 PM
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Tradcuck bullshit, and it all depends on what you are like and what you look like. I was piss poor Chad dipshit as a kid, and feminism is the greatest thing that ever happened to me. I was able to fuck the hot daughters of local doctors, lawyers, etc in my 20's because women run wild now and make their own choices. I wouldn't have gotten NEAR these women in tradcuck times. I'm not saying this to gloat; I'm just speaking reality. For every dork computer programmer who wishes we were in 1963 and w…
/r/MGTOW25/07/21 02:19 PM
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There was also Catholicism and Christianity: The Bible explicitly states that women are to be under their huband's rule and submit themselves to him. 99% of the population who didn't want to be completely ostracized went along with this shit because it was the norm. People used to go to Catholic schools, etc. Shit was a lot different before the cultural revolution of 1968.
/r/MGTOW25/07/21 02:13 PM
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If you don't get sucked into a wife/kids, you are above and beyond what you need to be doing. All the dudes I know who did the tradcon wife/kids model are completely enslaved by this. All the rest of the people I know who didn't have kids (including some women) have clever ways to avoid this kind of shit, or at least ONLY work 8 hour days. 12 hours days should be for people who have children.
/r/MGTOW25/07/21 02:01 PM
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You can't do long term with an alt, punk, etc girl. That was my dating pool all through my 20's and they are only good to date from like 18-24. Not to say NAWALT, because this would have happened with a "normal" chick, but any kind of hipster chick is to be avoided past 25, 26 years old. A 30-40 year old former alt rock chick isn't going to suddenly become a conservative housewife after ten years of LGBTQ/green hair/craft beer outings. I'm not knocking you, just sympathizing.
/r/MGTOW25/07/21 01:54 PM
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I grew up in 2000's punk and scene kid culture and dated a riot grrrl in 2001. For those not familiar, this is the most extreme feminist version of a punk girl. The kind who listens to Bikini Kill. Anyways, her big gripe was that all the local bands were male. When I asked her if she knew ANY females who played ANY instruments, her reply was "no". Gee, I wonder why there were no female bands in my scene? I was so brainwashed by punk rock that I thought dating this chick was some kind of badge of…
/r/MGTOW25/07/21 01:46 PM
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I dated three women in my 20's who I met while drunk and the entire relationship was just a one year long, drunken one night stand. 1.) leave house 2.) hit on girl while drunk 3.) go home with girl drunk 4.) see if she calls you the next night. Easy, peesy, kids. This was in the 2000's, though. Now which one of you stole my Hives CD?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 07:54 AM
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I always bring this up when this topic is posted: I dated the two most attractive women I will probably ever get while on felony probation in my late 20's and early 30's. Very serious offense, could have gone to prison. One used to pick me up from my probation meetings. I was also in active alcoholism. There were not white trash women: one was the daughter of a prominent local doctor and one was a high end rockabilly girl who dressed like Betty Page and came from a good family. Just saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 03:21 PM
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I was at my youthful prime in 2000's scene kid culture and it was NOT like this. Everybody I knew had a boyfriend or girlfriend. Even the ugly dudes. Everyone was in a serious relationship, cheating was a big scandal and 21 year old kids were like old married couples. No one could predict most of us would either never get married or not get married until we were 35, 36 years old. It was a completely different time period. People would hook up in between relationships, but most people wanted to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 03:10 PM
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Exactly: well, if you move to a different city/state and do the librarian routine, you can act like you've been a Catholic school girl your whole life. I fucked so many women in the 2000's who are either now some clueless gork's wife or married with a kid. You can't blame women for wanting to play both sides of the AF/BB field, but the deception really trips me up. They do a 180 degree turn. As a Christian, I am all for forgiveness and repentance. I, myself, was a male slut in the 2000's. But th…
/r/MGTOW23/07/21 02:50 PM
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My friend and I (this is more geared towards hipster circles) always joke about "Big move/cat lady glasses." Basically a chick sluts it out in her hometown, gets tons of tats, etc. 18-26. Then she moves away. Years later, you see a picture of her with a baby, a beta husband and cat lady glasses on Facebook. Like a librarian. Mom and dad both have huge, shit eating grins on their faces. I dunno why this is a thing, but every reformed scene slut I knew/fucked did this in their 30's.
/r/MGTOW23/07/21 02:13 PM
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I was in bands all through my 20's, in school for most of it or working. I always made sure the band, school or work came before the GF. Even if I was really crazy about her. You can't let women think they are your whole universe or you will get bored. I was also an alcoholic, so chicks always came in number two behind booze. If you have ANY luck getting women at all as a kid, you shouldn't be focused on just one girl, anyways. You can date a different girl every year in your 20's if you look go…
/r/MGTOW23/07/21 12:09 PM
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The one love letter (I was a bit Chad in my heyday) is like this three page assurance that she will "never leave me!" and will "Love me forever!" Love love love! So much love! Forever! Yeah, she was gone six months later and I have never seen her again. We were both drunks. They don't care. We do.
/r/MGTOW23/07/21 11:44 AM
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I will agree with you on 30-35, with my early 30's being when I had the most younger women on me. But after 35? I can only speak for myself, but it started to go down hill. I could still get women (dated a 29 year old at 40), but on the level I did at 28? Or 30? I dunno man. But that's good that you had luck. I will also add that I only like 20-26ish year old women, so I passed on all the 30+ women I could have had in my 30's. Maybe you are factoring that in? I ghosted or friendzoned that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 09:40 AM
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I've been studying Buddhism hardcore and throughout their teachings, it tells you not to be a "householder" and that having a family is a huge bond/attachment you need to let go of. He was MGTOW as fuck and even left his wife and kids to go find enlightenment. What's crazy is that The Bible and most of what they teach are exactly the same (The Ten Commandments are all in the teachings), except for this weird MGTOW-y anti-family bent he seemed to have. Which is why I think so many Christians kind…
/r/MGTOW23/07/21 09:30 AM
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It's predicated on a 1950's (and I am in A.A. and read The Big Book, so really 1930's) idea that women will be raising the kids and not working. It didn't factor in the modern all female pussy workforce that has taken over almost every easy, high paying job in this country. It's so outdated!
/r/MGTOW23/07/21 09:27 AM
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I have a love letter from and three pictures of myself with a girl I dated ten years ago. I have a birthday card from and three pictures of myself with a woman I dated in 2001, when I was 21. I keep them in a little cupboard next to my bed and sometimes look at them. Do you think these women ever even remember me? Remember, "The Great Gatsby" is about a male, not a female. Women move on fast and don't care. Men are romantic and pretend not to be. Women pretend to be romantic and are 100% tingles…
/r/MGTOW23/07/21 09:24 AM
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I was a decadent Chad pretty boy (I looked like a really hot gay twink) in my 20's, thought like a woman and ran with women. They only live for the moment, for that night's drinking, for hot sex on the staircase while their parents are out of town, etc. I was a total piece of shit alcoholic all through my 20's and got along famously with women. I loved women. They didn't care that I couldn't hold down a job or didn't even have a car. All they cared about was that I showed up that night with a bo…
/r/MGTOW23/07/21 09:12 AM
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Just to thrown down my own Book of Proverbs warning: I was a pretty boy Chad dipshit in my youth and thought exactly like this. I am 42 and now go to A.A. meetings every day. I have a criminal record and barely escaped not getting some local rich chick pregnant. I have massive dental problems and other health problems from not taking very good care of myself due to drinking. So if you are on your grind, can't get women and are 20-30, it could be worse. Just focus on you and not on the moment. Li…
/r/MGTOW23/07/21 09:02 AM
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The thing is, enough of these women are smart/upper middle class enough to not get knocked up in their 20's (or at least have an abortion), so they will easily be able to settle down in their 30's. I was kinda Chad-ish in my 20's and dated/partied with upper crust hipster women who sucked/fucked/drank their way through youth and easily found a guy from 33-36ish to settle with. Said guy probably rarely got laid in his 20's. I think this is a bit of a class thing, and the real victims of this are …
/r/MGTOW23/07/21 08:59 AM
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I went on at 41 hoping to peep on 21 year olds. Turns out these dating sites cuck you: you can only look at women your age. Total shit show of divorced (or never married) single moms who had sky high standards. Everyone tires to look like a celebrity on there, even though you know they are a struggling single parent who is stressed out. POF may be shit, but at least the people are more realistic. Tinder is nuts!
/r/MGTOW23/07/21 08:55 AM
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ps "friend of Bill" just means Bill Wilson, founder of A.A.
/r/MGTOW23/07/21 07:53 AM
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We are talking about A.A., man. Do you drink? Whatever your issue is, we are just talking about 12 step programs. Do you jerk off to porn too much? Join SA or something. This is just 12 step talk.
/r/MGTOW23/07/21 07:52 AM
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It's odd: I talked to him today. I guess she is five years older and he met her at 30. Which is even dumber, IMO. He's a good looking guy and makes good money. I was a loser at 30 and still had a hot 25 year old, younger GF. I dunno. But yeah you don't know what you don't know. Six hundred bucks per kid is what she kids. He said he can barely make it and was talking about van life. Unreal.
/r/MGTOW23/07/21 03:22 AM
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I guess Bill would tell ya she is spiritually sick and to pray for her. I know so many guys in the program who got hosed in divorce. I know a guy who lost $400,000 and two kids in a divorce. He built it all back up though in the program. They work the steps, I guess. Share with others. Like we do here. Keep coming back!
/r/MGTOW23/07/21 12:54 AM
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You sir, are a God among men. May you never work a day in your life!
/r/MGTOW22/07/21 02:30 PM
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Buk is weird, because he is like half MGTOW and half simp. He was a beta buxxx for a younger wife before he died. Dated a bunch of ugly drunk women. It's weird...he goes back and forth. Love Buk though and love this quote.
/r/MGTOW22/07/21 02:28 PM
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I had a female dermatologist in my 20's who was top notch. But otherwise, yeah...I won't go to a female for anything. I needed a lawyer once and my dad, who is a blue pilled lawyer, suggested this local woman attorney. I told him to fuck off.
/r/MGTOW22/07/21 02:06 PM
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Red Pill dudes have been destroyed by modern 1-2 year relationships, where as incels are 22 year old kids who think a one year relationship with a 6/10 women will completely turn their life around. What they don't realize is that it will suck, she will be a pain in the ass most of the time and that when you go through your first break up it will hurt worse than being an incel. They are completely hung up on youthful romance.
/r/MGTOW22/07/21 12:00 PM
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She basically did a "female Steve Jobs" thing and banked on the novel of being a woman in tech. From my understanding, there was no tech behind any of it.
/r/MGTOW22/07/21 11:57 AM
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I am 42 years old and I can assure you myself and all the guys my age are disgusted by women over 35, 40 years old. 40 year old men still crave 22 year olds. Not saying I can achieve this (I am a washed out Chad and it's probably over for me), but no sane dude who is being honest at 40 wants a fucking 40 year old woman, for God's sake. Especially one with kids. Most older MGTOW dudes on these forums desire the exact same chicks the young guys are eyeballing. I can't believe women don't realize t…
/r/MGTOW22/07/21 11:55 AM
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They take less chances because risk taking isn't something men find desirable in women. That's why there are so few women in jail. Also, like you said, they know they will have to take care of the kids. Risk taking is HUGE for young men, because it can result in mating. Could be sports, cars, band, crime, drug dealing, etc. Single moms probably don't teach risk taking to their kids because it isn't adaptive for them. At all. Works fine if she has a daughter but will turn son into vidya incel.
/r/MGTOW22/07/21 11:50 AM
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I am from a classic "stable" two parent family with a Blue Pilled, hard working lawyer for a dad. All seeing this fucker come home from work after 12 hours in a rage and scarf down dinner my whole life did for me was make me want to become a lazy ass bum. Thankfully, I was a Chad and my parents let me bring girls over. So I would just sleep all day and fuck. A lot of loser dudes I know in A.A. (I am in recovery) are from two parent families and didn't want to end up like dad. So they just became…
/r/MGTOW22/07/21 11:46 AM
1

In the end, everybody is an invisible "nobody" because we all get old. I do A.A., and they are great people, but when I look around the room, these are 50-70 year old (mostly) older people who are basically invisible in society. They sort of realize it, too, and are very chill. If you want to explore this idea further, hang out with older dudes. Or even women. Some women still cling to the idea that they are "desired", but I have found most older (55+) people have had some kind of ego death, pro…
/r/MGTOW22/07/21 11:37 AM
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They killed off rock music for whatever reason. Music always sucked, but you generally had rock in the background. 90's for example was loaded with bad pop music, but you had Nirvana and Green Day to even stuff out. 2000's, a prime era that I grew up in, was overwhelmed with bad pop like Britney Spears and Xtina. But you had that White Stripes/Hives garage rock stuff in the background to even the industry out and give rockers something to latch onto. They just destroyed that aspect of it for wha…
/r/MGTOW22/07/21 11:29 AM
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Yeah this is also a very Buddhist view of the world. Buddha left his wife and kids to find enlightenment and The Dhammapada has an entire verse indicating that family life should be avoided. Just go solo and isolate. More and more when I study their texts and verses, I see MGTOW and monk mode is very similar. It's odd, actually.
/r/MGTOW22/07/21 11:25 AM
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Back in my pretty boy youth, I used to date a big tits 18 year old when I was about 23. I was going to go back to college soon, so I wasn't taking it very seriously. We had a massive pregnancy scare and she was going to keep it. Said I needed to drop out of school, work for her dad and move in with her and the kid. False alarm. Later found out she was fucking five (yes, five) other guys while we were dating. Any of the six of us could have been the dad. I would have had no clue. I mean, it's eas…
/r/MGTOW22/07/21 11:22 AM
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Working with other people is the cornerstone of recovery and the 12th step is actually what kept Bill sober for the first two years, when he was miserable. If you read "Bill's Story" carefully, he "two stepped". Stayed sober and helped other people stay sober. The more you preach to others to stay sober, the more it reinforces your own desire to stay sober. Or "social pressure", as you put it. The main thing they tell you to do in A.A. is "get out of yourself" and help other alcoholics. Kept me …
/r/MGTOW21/07/21 08:39 PM
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Ok, gonna ramble: I am in recovery and had a major, major relapse a few weeks ago due to dental issues. I ended up being taken to a place to dry out for five days. EVERY single person who worked there was a female. There was one guy there, who was the person I had to go see as a clinician. After I told him I had seven years sober in A.A. and was just going to go back to A.A., he told me A.A. doesn't work (but yet I had seven years clean?). He told me I need therapy and lots of it. Big money (A.A…
/r/MGTOW21/07/21 12:32 PM
1

At least you gave it a courageous go. You can't say you didn't try!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 07:05 AM
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Is it? Buy five nice dress shirts from Express for Men at the Mall. Start going out every Friday and Sat. Cut your hair well. Talk to people, even if it's just men. Try to meet women. I'm not trying to be a dick or preach to you, but 21, 22? Is it that hard to get laid now? I grew up in the 2000's and was hot, but....everyone I knew got laid. Even ugly guys. It's THAT bad now that you can't just go out? I dunno.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 01:48 AM
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Meh you make a good point. I was in a band and had a huge friendship circle. Probably a dozen people and I was out every night. HOWEVER...is this the case for modern incels? Most just play vidya alone. That being said, 16-21 of hanging out with male friends everyday didn't do too, too much for me. One year of dating made me grow exponentially.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 09:41 PM
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Naw. But I mean some dudes here are pushing 35 and at that point...it's hard to catch up. Any 20's seems ok by me, especially in today's "hard to meet women" climate. But I would get out there!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 09:40 PM
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Early early early on in 2000-2004ish, people were just on AIM 24/7 negotiating their social and sex lives. I mean, yeah, we were the first to overuse it, but we were using it for hook ups and other real life stuff. But that laziness that in engendered in people and the zombie/zone out it produces just got worse and worse, And eventually people stopped going out and stayed in. We started the fire, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:57 PM
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I was at my hottest from 21-26, bar none. I was husband material from 28-34. I am 42 now and have been thrown into the dustbin of Chad history. I could care less because I converted to Christ, but....men don't always age like fine wine, man. Nor does every women turn into a witch at 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:44 PM
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Poverty, a gut, bad hygiene, not giving a shit about women because I converted to Christianity, turning women off because I converted to Christianity (pro-life rants), not cutting my hair anymore, wearing shorts all the time instead of pants, not going out to bars to hustle women because I got sober, MGTOW forums, leaving the house a lot without taking a shower, etc. What the fuck do I care? I dated some of the hottest women in my area as a kid. I don't need to fucking prove shit to people. Just…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:40 PM
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Was Chad pretty boy pussy slayer in 20's and early 30's: am now old, broke piece of shit. Make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:22 PM
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Whatever Pastor you have needs a closer look at First Corinthians. Not being married was considered superior to marriage. These dudes always preach that feel good family values thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:21 PM
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I slayed in the early 2000's: people got out all the time. Sitting online all night was a loser thing to do in 2003. The internet and early AIM was used to negotiate plans and parties early in the evening: you would be gone by ten. It wasn't at all like today. It was a tool to do real shit. People didn't start to zombie out on it until 2010ish.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:28 PM
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Women could give a shit about men, unless you are Chad pretty boy as a kid (I was) and then they will "love you" for a year. Men love women, women love children, children love candy. My retarded boomer dad has always hated me because my mother likes my brother and I more than him. Dude never got clued in that he was just a beta provider and that women could honestly give a shit about men. But they love their children to death!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:25 PM
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Yeah and 1960 WASP high school student who married his 18 year old girlfriend put 40 into that factory job and that was it. Come home and eat and no work at home. High school education. The wife wasn't trying to get her PHd in psychology on the side. We live in insane times.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:21 PM
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It ain't economical, because I was Chad in another lifetime and had no trouble dating the finest goth girls in my area while living at home, not owning a car, not working, being a drunkard and taking three credits a semester at community college. So Immma say it boils down to looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:14 PM
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I'm not going to disagree with you BUT...I was Chad pretty boy as a kid and also a mental case. Didn't work, didn't drive, drank all the time, played in a band. EVERY time I got a girlfriend they would mother me and try to help me work on my driving and my getting a job. Sometimes I would get a job. Guess what? As soon as that chick left, you quit your job. That dude will be a fat alcoholic again as soon as she leaves. You can't depend on women to motivate you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:09 PM
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Not to sound like a dick, but what do you look like? Not saying this to attack you, because 300 women is commendable. But I was a pretty boy as a kid, dated six women and my 20's and asked out exactly six women. Some dudes just won't get with women due to looks. Do you look ok? At least you made the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:05 PM
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In 1960 you could marry a hot 18 year old right out of high school and do a labor job that was enough to support a family. You needed nothing beyond high school. I was recently in a detox (I am alcoholic, 42) unit with two older dudes. Total losers and they were both homeless trying to get sober? Guess what? Both had married their 17 year old high school sweethearts back in the day and had kids scattered around. Later came the divorce and the drinking. These dudes aren't even that fucked up beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:03 PM
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Swear to God: I was a shy pretty boy who had a lot of options as a kid but didn't date/have sex until 21. I wanted to find "the one" and it took that long. Even with years of validation beforehand and ONLY being 21 when I started having sex and dating, I was fucked for life. I never, every really got over not dating or having sex in high school. Had a lot of sex to make up for it, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 11:58 AM
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It's a total MGTOW cope: if you aren't fucking a ton of women by 21, you never will. I was a pretty boy as a kid and aged "like fine wine": the eye contact starts to decrease by 35. You will get women thinking you look young for your age or whatever, but that primitive mating signal you got at 18-35 is toast. Leo is a fine example: total slayer as a kid but "meh" in his 40's. I mean the dude isn't that hot and most 22 year olds wouldn't check him out at a bar. He is just money and status. So it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 11:56 AM
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Yeah...I was a shy late bloomer and didn't date/have sex until 21. This gave me over a decade of dating in my prime, top shape, fucking like a champion. Body starts to fall apart by mid-30's and at that point people are over the physical shit and looking at finances and building a life together. You can still make it happen at that age, but forget about hot sex with a young girl. You will get that chubby 34 year old who wants to buy a house. Which is fine...unless you crave hot sex with a young …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 11:51 AM
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I am an aged-out Chad who is in the "it's over" phase at 42 due to dental issues. Gotta agree with you. There is "someone for everyone", but only if you want to settle for shit you don't want. Good shit that you really want only certain people get. Life sucks. Sorry for your luck,
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 11:46 AM
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I understand this attitude from guys who are 41 on here and never dated. Or even 31. But yeah...it's insane to me that a 22 year old virgin isn't buying the best clothes he can find and basically living in clubs and bars. I had a ton of success as a kid, but there is work involved. You should be so horny and crazy about women at 21, 22 that you are chasing girls every day. I dunno how they can just give up. However, yeah....past 31 I see how men give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 11:44 AM
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Interesting: I am a 42 year old aging Chad who dated a ton of women in his life. All kinds of sex. Recently, I lost most of my teeth. Long story. Obviously, it is OVER for me as far as women. But I have used this time to get closer to Christ and I am deep in the Bible. I don't even care about women. HOWEVER...isn't this easy for me to say after a lifetime of debaucher? I feel for you, man. And I won't lie: you have probably missed out on a lot of beautiful stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 11:42 AM
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Up until not that long ago, Christianity was the dominant religion in the USA. And Christianity advocates stuff like celibacy, not having sex outside of marriage, etc. This whole idea of having a shit load of one night stands and dating a bunch of people before you got married is a post-hippie thing. Not that long ago, if you didn't make the cut of getting married right out of high school/college and popping out babies, it was legit to just be a bachelor. A lot of these men were Christian. It wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 11:35 AM
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Agreed, it's a total failure. You will still have the relationship skills of a middle school kid. I was a super, super shy pretty boy as a kid who didn't have a GF until I was 21. Prior to that there was some making out at shows with girls and some titty grabbing. You think that is going to take a guy through a developmental stage? Hardly. One night stand is some validation, but it's not the same as a 1-2 year long intimate, loving relationship with a girl your age or younger. So if you have had…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 11:31 AM
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I was a virgin until I was 21. Good looking kid, but super shy. And I wanted the woman to pursue me (insane). Cute 18 year old finally did, but I remember the six months or so before that happened. Really dark, dark time. Just turned 21 and still a virgin and losing my mind. Going to clubs and standing alone. Listening to The Smiths. Just a bad place. I remember being suicidal, etc. So I totally can have compassion for this modern crop of 18-29 year old virgins. Especially if you are the type wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 11:28 AM
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I am an aging pretty boy who dated an obese 29 year old when I was 40. I settled in looks because she was intelligent and super Christian, which was a big deal to me at the time. Also very wholesome. Just not hot. Honestly? It was ok and I will always have a soft spot for her. HOWEVER....this is after 10+ years of dating hot chicks when I was a kid. So yeah, settle in looks later in life if you already got the good shit. But 40 and never had a GF? Don't settle. You will be miserable. The only wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 11:24 AM
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I am an ex (and now ugly) Chad and I can tell you this: 29-33ish is when handsome men destroy it. I was having the most insane sex during those years, dated two of the hottest women I will ever get, and was just killing it. I felt 100% like I was crushing in life both at work and in the bedroom. Probably a good time for a normal dude to marry and have kids. I am speaking of dudes who had been having sex all through their 20's and have now hit 30. Magic, magic age to date a 22-24 year old girl an…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 11:18 AM
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I was very shy due to a scar I have on my body and didn't begin dating and having sex until 21. Even that was pushing it and I always felt "off". It took me until like 30 to really feel comfy dating have having sex. At 30 I was having the sex and relationship competency that I should have had at like 23, 24. So no sex by 30 must be no Bueno based on my experience. After 40 with no kids each man should stop pursuing sex and go after the spiritual life. At that point you should repent from sexual …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 11:15 AM
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Just FYI, I did group therapy (cheaper) with an older male psychologist and an all male group and his main point was to get everyone hooked into a stable, loving relationship. Part of the homework assignments were to try to get a girlfriend if you were single. I was a Chad in a former life, so I was able to do this, but it really fucked with a lot of the men in the group. Shrink was totally blue pilled, married man. You will be hard pressed to find a shrink who would advocate MGTOW. They will te…
/r/MGTOW08/07/21 10:28 AM
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Oh yes, and she was studying to be a nurse. The memes write themselves, guys. We don't need fiction.
/r/MGTOW05/07/21 01:59 AM
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I've dated Christian girls. hardcore Catholic girls (Catholic school, the whole deal) and the daughter of a Rabbi and they were some of the nastiest women I ever encountered in bad. The one semi-chaste woman I dated (and this was in 2001) came from a working class, secular background. So yeah....
/r/MGTOW05/07/21 01:24 AM
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I was Chad bad boy dipshit in my late 20's (not proud of this) and a hot a super hot blonde girlfriend during a stint on probation. Her room mate was this fat chick who was dating a really nice army guy. Totally stand up guy. Even as a kid, I found it odd that I, the fuck up with a probation officer, was dating the hot roommate and this poor dude who was serving our country had to date the fat chick. She later cheated and they split. She also had a "Live, Laugh, Love" sign on the kitchen wall. Y…
/r/MGTOW05/07/21 01:14 AM
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I'm not even going to compare the two, because I respect men who have served this country, but it is like this in bands, too. Very similar in how you bond as a unit and once girlfriends (beyond just fucking groupies) gets involved, shit goes way south. She will always interfere with the band and it takes time away from promotion and practice. Once more than one guy in a band has a GF, forget it. People want to stop showing up at practices, join another band, etc. The trajectory of a hot local ba…
/r/MGTOW05/07/21 01:11 AM
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I've spent years in and out of psych wards due to severe mental health problems and I have NEVER been in one where there wasn't a guy wandering around the hallways who was Mid East vet, half made of metal and with severe mental problems. Never, ever has there not been one of these guys. Usually they get drunk and threaten suicide or someone else and get Baker Acted. I am sorry you had to endure that. In a perfect world, guys would have loving wives to come home to and comfort them until old age.…
/r/MGTOW05/07/21 01:05 AM
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I dated the two hottest women I will certainly ever get in my lifetime when I was on felony probation from 27-33. I also drank and played in a punk band. Rarely worked. Loud mouth, fine talker (I am the fuck up son of a lawyer). No shortage of women. I was also, at this point in life, quite hot. Bad face and boring is your worst bet. Good looking and exciting will maximize your youth. I should also hasten to add that OTHER MEN prefer to hang out with other bad boys/musicians/losers/men who get l…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 11:11 PM
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I dated and mated in the hipster gene pool as a kid, so mostly pretty attractive young women. So I know people 35-43. Most did not marry and work and just date. The three married couples I know, they both have to work (one chick is a nurse, one is food service and one is some sort of stressfull NYC office drone worker). All three of the women got fat around 33; two of their husbands are fat. One dude (fat nurse's husband) maintains gym and great shape. This is why I come on here less and less, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 11:06 PM
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Yeah, that is ridiculous. Nice black dress shit and jeans is cheap and fine. I never wore suits and got laid. Women in their 20's don't care.
/r/MGTOW27/06/21 03:47 PM
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I'm not as extreme as some guys on here: you can have a good time with a woman, provided that you are only in it for a year or two and don't live together. It seems that once you move in together, shit goes south really quickly. Or if you marry.
/r/MGTOW27/06/21 01:34 AM
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If you want to see what a woman is really like, come down with chronic pain. I got an annular tear (worst nerve damage you can do to your back, 24/7 pain), and the women who I was with for two years left me over the phone while I was in the hospital. We had been talking about marriage before this. She stuck around for a couple of months and was "ok", waiting it out. Once she realized it was going to last awhile, she ditched.
/r/MGTOW27/06/21 12:08 AM
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meh, I differ with some MGTOW about clothing if you are young, hot and poor. I was carless and kind of a bum in my 20's, but nice fitting dress shirts and good pants/hair helped me mooch a lot of women out of my area. It depends on you, as a person. Fancy car, etc, I scoff at. But good clothes? Also keeps cops off your back.
/r/MGTOW26/06/21 11:06 PM
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I was in bands as a kid, and I now realize most people just wanted to use me for bass/guitar skills in whatever shitty garage rock band they were trying to promote. I was naïve, though. One kid is still after me 20 years later and just came over here tonight. People want what you have.
/r/MGTOW26/06/21 10:55 PM
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I was a pretty boy before I got old and ugly, and would fuck with obese, not very attractive women all the time. Usually if they were into the same subculture I was, because I thought they were "cool" (punk, goth, whatever). I had a lot of fun, but I now get why women like this develop insane standards. A few FWB with a hot guy like this and suddenly men in their league are beneath them.
/r/MGTOW26/06/21 10:51 PM
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Women "cared" about me as a kid, because I had a River Phoenix look. I thought they cared about me because I was a good writer, musician and had a good heart. Was wrong. Later on they all "cared" about beta guys with money, who they now live off of. If you are lucky, one or both of your parents care about you. Maybe a sibling. Otherwise, nobody cares. Welcome to life. Even if you are a HOT MALE....it sucks. Trust me. Was one for like 20 years.
/r/MGTOW26/06/21 08:35 PM
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This is all by design. They have been trying to get rid of the father figure and destroy the nuclear family for decades. Single parent households are like 40%, I think. We are doomed as a society. We are now a Godless society with women in charge of everything.
/r/MGTOW17/06/21 05:36 PM
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It for sure would have been a shit show, most likely abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 12:44 AM
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ps- Thank God.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 09:54 PM
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18-24 will take a good looking, poor guy over an ugly rich guy. Any time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 09:54 PM
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100% my story, I hate to say. I've described it like this: it's like 21-35ish is some kind of epic romance movie/porn video. And then the rest of your life is the closing credits, over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 08:17 PM
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Back in my pretty boy youth, as a piss poor college student ($400 a month apartment), I started dating a girl who turned out to be inheriting a large fortune in the future. Like millions. We dated for a year and had sex like rabbits. Looking back, that was probably the best shot for a poor guy to pass on his genes. I could have impregnated her, and if she didn't terminate, my kid would be set for life. But I wasn't that devious as a kid. Only now do I kind of regret it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 08:07 PM
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I was in the same boat as a kid: other men HATE when slacker or "loser" men (I was in a band) get hot chicks. They despise it. They think you have to be a Fortune 500 CEO. Many, many, many men (especially in the past) are not black pilled and don't realize looks trump money for younger chicks. Clueless.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 08:06 PM
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You are correct, it's AF/BB. Hot losers 18-24, then they go for the beta guy with cash after they move closer to 30. Or after 30. Hot asshole with no money trumps plain guy with money at that age, the prime. 21, 22, etc. Even 25.
/r/MGTOW15/06/21 04:22 AM
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I got the two hottest women I ever had while on felony probation, no job, no car. Living at home in my late 20's. One was from a rich family. I was an alcoholic. So yeah, looks matter. Cash is a suckers game, although a lot of not-great looking dudes can throw it around and get women. But it's not real animal attraction, can't buy that.
/r/MGTOW15/06/21 04:20 AM
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This is common, and think about it: the mom is like 45 if she had the kid at 25. The daughter is now a hot, 20 year old college girl getting all the attention. The mother gets pissed. I've seen this happen in families. It is fucked up.
/r/MGTOW15/06/21 02:56 AM
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She will tell her to do this because for awhile, it feels good, Probably until 30. Somewhere between 30-40 women are having trouble finding that next stage of life guy to settle down with. Or some just sleep around in their 30's, too. Not going to lie, I was very hedonistic up until at least 33, 34 and played the field. Men do it, too, I dunno. Not to sound like a simp.
/r/MGTOW14/06/21 09:34 PM
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Women only love men for their resources or for their genes (sexy son). That's about it.
/r/MGTOW14/06/21 08:34 PM
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I got into MGTOW stuff to cope with a fiancé leaving me in my 30's/sour grapes kind of thing. It has it's points, but I get the vibe a lot of these dudes did not get laid in their 20's. Or it's 20 year old incel guys in denial. I got with women for most of my young adult life and always find some of the hatred and revenge fantasies pretty weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 07:43 AM
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I grew up in a tradcon family made up of two fuck ups from the baby boom: my mom was a single mom with my half brother by 19 and my dad got his hippie girlfriend in college pregnant by 20, 21. They had a brief marriage with one more kid. My dad couldn't stand living alone after his first divorce, so someone hooked him up with my mom. Seeing as he was already divorced, he didn't mind dating a single mom. I am a product of their 80's/90's, more stable marriage. It was kind of a shit show. My half …
/r/MGTOW12/06/21 04:37 AM
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In my 20's, the punk/garage rock band was the only domain I had that was an all boys thing. HOWEVER: when I was in high school, my first band had a female bass player. The guitar player insisted on having his girlfriend in the band. Holy shit, did this suck. I had a guitar player who wasn't interested in picking up women (because he was tied down) and a female bass player who could never learn the bass lines right and was always complaining. I later found out the guitar player (my best friend) w…
/r/MGTOW12/06/21 04:26 AM
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I was in a band from 21-30 and almost always had a mate. You have to understand, these are college age (about) kids, not 40 year old hardened MGTOW. The main thing you want in your life is women at 23, 24. I could NEVER have gone MGTOW when I was a kid, I was too big of a simp. Luckily for me, I was able to get what I wanted. But for a frustrated loser kid? I can see why he would get that lonely. As a 42 year old man, I try to remember how hardcore the need for women was when I was a kid, and my…
/r/MGTOW12/06/21 01:28 AM
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In 2003, I was 23 years old and had an 18 year old virgin girlfriend. Goth chick, always dressed to the nines. Very feminine. Good luck to the youth, unless you have a time machine. Btw, this same woman is like 36 and still not married. "On the fence" with a cop who is a single, divorced dad. Did something go wrong with my generation? Oh, only about everything.
/r/MGTOW10/06/21 08:00 PM
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You forgot that she is pregnant on Tinder and if you can't deal with that, this your problem. If you don't love her at her worst, you don't deserve her yadda yadda. They go online dating WHILE PREGNANT now. Do you realize how insane this is?
/r/MGTOW10/06/21 07:58 PM
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the sad fact is that this is her 18-25, her best years. That;s the best time to get a woman. In my experience. After that, she is looking for beta buxxx.
/r/MGTOW10/06/21 07:56 PM
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I am a Chadlight and I had a girlfriend in 2012 who wanted to get married. Big, fake tits, kind of fluffy (but very hot), pretty face and docile. After she left, I watched her ride the CC on social media. It's insane what has happened since 2012. You could do just fine in the 2000's. Just fine if you looked good. If anything, it was a Golden Era. All that is done now. I feel for the modern youth.
/r/MGTOW10/06/21 07:51 PM
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I'd stetch that from 200-2009 and even upgrade it to 2012, before the Tinder madness. Yes, you could find an 18 year old virgin (or close) in the 2000's without much work, You could be an average guy. Chadlite at best. It's all over now. OP isn't missing out on much, because I feel there is nothing to miss out on in 2021. Good avice.
/r/MGTOW10/06/21 05:17 PM
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Brother IG looks good for his age, and he helped invent punk. Respect. He has earned every line and crease. Recently, he was freaked out about Covid taking him down and posted about it. Brother Iggy Pop is too strong for Covid-19. This was the punk rock hippie who refused to die. And honey/ I'm the world's forgotten boy. How dare you even compare these two people?
/r/MGTOW10/06/21 05:12 PM
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I was a good looking Chad as a lad, and dude....before I understood any of this, I went NUTS trying to be the most charming, well read, articulate, loving, funny guy. I thought I had to make up for not having resources. Young Chads need to realize this AF/BB shit so they don't sweat not having money so much. Anyways, yeah...I was the clown jester. And the stunt cock. I honestly feel used about the whole thing, Nobody was taking me serious for the long haul due to mental issues= no money. Sorry f…
/r/MGTOW10/06/21 03:48 PM
1

This is truly disgusting.
/r/MGTOW09/06/21 06:18 PM
2

Right, but the point I was trying to make is the following: for every couple like you, there are ten women your age who are going to drink wine and work until they are in their 30's, then settle down at the last minute. It's wonderful that you found someone to start a family with, but it's hardly the norm now, and hasn't been since my generation (am 42). Saying "zero" was hyperbolic, but I don't see a shift in attitudes with this next generation. The women I dated are mid-30's now and either jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 05:29 AM
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I mean yeah, not EVERYBODY is waiting. My first girlfriend from 2000 just got married this year. She is 37.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 04:32 AM
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haha I was hoping for early 20's, is why I put the positive spin on it. I am also 42, so a bottom 20% 21 year old seems hot to me. I can see how a 21 year old would not feel the same. But yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 04:01 AM
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Well, if 20% of women want to date you, and you are still young, you can just do a heavy numbers game. Young women are generally sex-able, depending on your age. Even the lowest 20% rung can be...ok. When you get past 30, 40...the bottom 20% isn't even worth thinking about. Just some positive spins for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 03:59 AM
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I think you are off on the rating scale: being a "2" doesn't mean 2 out of ten women would date you. If that were the case, you could get by doing massive cold approach. A 2 just means on a scale of 1-10, you rank as a two. Being wanted by 20% of women isn't even that big of a deal if you did a numbers game. But that's now how the scale works, at least to my knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 03:45 AM
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At least you tried, man. It's just hard being Asian in the west. 400 is amazing and you should honestly be proud of that number. Unreal! Good work. You have guts, my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 03:42 AM
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I was very nice in my 20's and very attractive and I always thought (we all did) that I got more girls than my friends because I had a "good personality". I have a nice personality, but looking back as an adult, I got these women because they found me attractive. I think the attraction is an "in", and then when you get the girl, you can display other qualities. The same is true for men. I am sure some of the obese, ugly women who ran in my social circles were amazing people. I never went in to l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 12:50 AM
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If you are nice and attractive that will work well. If you are ugly and still very nice, I think you will get friendzoned. Looks matter a lot in youth. I think this is just the harsh reality of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 12:15 AM
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I felt this after six years of being on my own and began dating a 29 year old at 40 who I wasn't even that into. I just felt like I was wasting my life away, so I jumped back into dating. We had some "ok" times, but it's not the same when you get older. It's not like when I was 26 and dating a 21 year old. She was hyper focused on her career, couldn't hang out much and was kind of a drag to be around. Not very fun. So I dunno, you aren't missing out on much. We made it two years and it was hones…
/r/MGTOW08/06/21 05:44 PM
1

I have a buddy who is a chef and is he helping to pay his wife's way through med school. I also have an ex whose mother went back to med school, left the dad and married a professor. When women are doing this, they plan on monkey branching way, way up. I say this with the privilege of being having been a bit of a Chad and an alcoholic in my youth: you gotta take them before they take you. Be that mooch boyfriend. I didn't have a car for most of my life: I would have them drive me around. I would…
/r/MGTOW08/06/21 03:36 PM
1

I dated two alcoholic women back to back who had entire FLOORS that were covered in magazines and clothes. Women are messy, especially the younger ones.
/r/MGTOW08/06/21 03:21 PM
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That's the thing that gets me about kids: the eventually turn into teenagers and rebel against you. I sometimes regret not getting a girl pregnant while I was young and hot, but I dunno....you only have a ten year gap there. And I would have most likely been a deadbeat dad. And child support...on and on.
/r/MGTOW08/06/21 03:11 PM
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I was the useless sexy deadbeat Chad as a kid: it always blew my mind the women I was getting in the 2000's. I didn't even have a job or a car and I was dating some of the prettiest girls in my social circle. I don't say this to brag: I am ugly and middle aged now. But it is mind blowing. A very small portion of men have benefited from these changes, the kind of guys who used to be the milk man. Once women weren't expected to marry and have kids, they just went after sexy losers. The guy who got…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 03:30 PM
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I was a Chad pretty boy as a kid: you can do really well with women, and get love letters, attention etc for about 12-24 months. Then they either leave you for a guy with money or another good looking guy. As Tupac said, these hoes ain't loyal. Even if you meet their requirements, they will get bored. Like you said, two years, tops.
/r/MGTOW07/06/21 02:05 PM
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This is insane, dude. Btw, just having sex could mean you had a shitty one night stand or a lame bar hook up. It doesn't mean regular, satisfying sex with a partner from your school or a meaningful relationship, which is what most people seek. So imagine how many young men in college don't have a girlfriend. This is absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 01:08 AM
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My church pastor touched on the "single moms produce bad outcomes" stats once, then re-wired it by claiming "but you don't have to worry about that, because your kids have a Holy Father". So they kind of glide around it. It's just a way to fill pews. Although no one is beyond redemption. But it's not ideal for the children, for sure. And we know Jesus was pro-family and against Divorce.
/r/MGTOW06/06/21 10:16 PM
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We had all nicey-nice female teachers at my grade school until grade six. Then they put you in with these two American WW2 vets of German descent. Who kicked your 12 year old ass. Real wake up call.
/r/MGTOW06/06/21 10:11 PM
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This is a little known fact, and maybe not even relevant to your post, BUT...the guy who directed the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video (arguably changed the culture in the 90's) was pulled in by the military right after to start making ads. They got their hands on him right away. They've been trying to make being in the army "hip" and "cool" for ages now. The lefty thing is just a way to promote it to woke youth, IMO. I mean with the lesbian mom ad, etc.
/r/MGTOW05/06/21 05:27 AM
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I have a theory about the modern internet and this generation: people are afraid to take risks. Most of the stuff you see on Youtube is what NOT to do, not what to do. When I was in my prime, I slept with 1.) my next door neighbor in college and 2.) the girl I sat next to at work at a telesales job. Most people wouldn't be dumb enough to do this, because word got out NOT to do stuff like this. But I don't regret it. Sometimes, you have to make mistakes to learn. I feel like a lot of modern youth…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 09:02 PM
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This is a good point: I was handsome as a kid and slept around a lot (also a heavy drinker). These are attributes that would make a female a total outcast, even at a dive bar. But for a male, it is considered heroic. So there is def. a double standard as far as men being able to sleep around but women having to be "chase".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 04:19 PM
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That 90's single mom image was so whitewashed. It made everything look peachy keen. It wasn't until recently with reality TV shows, Reddit confessions and youtube, etc. that people finally caught on to the fact that being a single mom is a shit show. I remember Dan Quayle chiming in about a TV show featuring a single mom around 1991. That would NEVER fly today.
/r/MGTOW30/05/21 07:20 AM
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I'm only talking about the US and it's just my rough understanding of what lead up to the 19th amendment.
/r/MGTOW28/05/21 04:25 AM
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"I want someone who makes me feel something more than anyone else I've ever been with, nothing less." Oi vey, where do I begin with this? At the risk of sounding like a blue pilled simp, I've felt this way twice: once with and 18 year old (first long relationship) and once with a 23 year old. I was about five or six years older than both. We had a wonderful time. ROMANCE IS FOR YOUTH. The best you are going to get after a certain age is companionship. These "feelings" she is chasing have already…
/r/MGTOW28/05/21 04:01 AM
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Not 100% sure, but I believe the rise in feminism coincided with the abolition movement. Many of the early supporters in the North were women, who were also fighting for female rights. Black males got the right to vote and women simmered down for a bit, then started fighting again. Wilson finally came through with the 19th amendment. First wave US feminism and the abolition of slavery are deeply embedded into each other.
/r/MGTOW28/05/21 03:40 AM
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I had that River Pheonix shit going on before I got old and worn out: I was also totally a lost soul. I got treated quite well by women and three of my girlfriends, in particular, basically mothered me when I was young. Some guys pull this out of women, some don't. Some get the best year or two of a young girl's life. Some guys don't get much of anything. Roll of the dice. Depends on who you are and who she is. I've had some killer love in my day.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 05:33 PM
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As a guy in recovery, my take on her is that her "addiction" and overdose stories are a gimmick to sell records. She's probably never touched drugs in her life. It's all some marketing scheme to help put her in the spotlight. I call total bullshit, and have for years.
/r/MGTOW24/05/21 04:53 PM
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Eating meat? How disgusting. Destroying the family unit via divorce? No big deal. I knew SO MANY hipster women who were vegan when I was a kid that were TOTAL ASSHOLES in every other way. It's like some vast cover up for being a jack ass. It's a fucking animal, man. Eat it or don't but don't be a dick.
/r/MGTOW24/05/21 04:50 PM
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Middle six, she is weird looking and has goofy legs/feet. Not worth ten grand. This was a mediocre Friday night ONS for me in my prime. The fact that homeboy is paying a young fortune just to watch her drink Starbucks in a hotel room...wow. That's shameful. Or shameless, depending. Sad world kids live in now.
/r/MGTOW24/05/21 11:42 AM
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Imagine paying 10K to see a middle-six?
/r/MGTOW24/05/21 11:40 AM
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Losers Chads get women pregnant all of the time.
/r/MGTOW24/05/21 11:38 AM
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The Madonna/whore paradigm at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 10:35 AM
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Hot = must have an easy life, amiright?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 04:17 PM
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The most stereotypically "hot" woman I ever dated was a well-to-do Gothic Jewess, whose father had died when she was a kid. And then grew up with an abusive step dad. One of the sweetest souls I ever met. Don't assume that because people look good, they haven't been through the wringer. They just do it looking better than most. Big assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 12:08 PM
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Thanks, trying to be that Prodigal Son way later in life. Decrease in a formerly massive sex drive has been a big help, as has sobriety. I used to be an animal.
/r/MGTOW22/05/21 07:21 PM
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I'd rather not say, but the kind that should say "stay away from this man" to any young woman. This was not the case.
/r/MGTOW22/05/21 07:15 PM
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This is all headed towards the destruction of the nuclear family. I hope they don't have a kid.
/r/MGTOW22/05/21 06:57 PM
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Yeah and if I remember correctly they still slept around and tried to act 21. Also big drinkers. But I think "Samantha" from Sex and the City really gave 18 year old women the wrong impression.
/r/MGTOW22/05/21 05:39 PM
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No damn! "Absolutely Fabulous". Remember this shit?
/r/MGTOW22/05/21 05:26 PM
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The culture kind of promotes it, though. And think of "Sex and The City". Remember how Samantha was already middle aged and still fucked Chads? It really put weird ideas in women's heads. There was a British TV show about two 50 year old women who still acted 20, too. Forget the name. It's been pushed for women to hang on to youth forever. And ever. And ever.
/r/MGTOW22/05/21 05:17 PM
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Yeah they don't realize Mr. Right came and went. That shit is over. It's sad to accept, but it's part of life. I had a lot of trouble coping with this around 36 (I was a big dater in youth), but at 42, I kind of accept it. Can you find a COMPANION? To do shit with? Sure. Are you going to find that insane "youthful spark" of a drunken night in 2006? No, you are older now. It's like anything else, it wears off with time. Sucks, but true.
/r/MGTOW22/05/21 05:14 PM
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Two hottest chicks I dated in my 20's were while I was on felony probation. 100% chicks like good looking bad boys who don't play by the rules. It's exciting. I was a total piece of shit as a kid. Trying to change, trying to be better. One day at a time. God help me.
/r/MGTOW22/05/21 05:08 PM
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Borderline here at 26 when I went back to college: chick was blowing me as I was drunk and half out of it and goes "I'm going to blow your mind". She then gets on top of me, sans condom, and starts fucking me. I didn't know what to do, so I just fucked her. It was gross but my body took over. The next day there was a huge fight about Plan B and I had to pay for it. It happens. Even though I proceeded to have sex, I felt violated as fuck by this bimbo. Stereotypical Florida blonde uni party girl.…
/r/MGTOW22/05/21 05:05 PM
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They don't realize the world, their face and their bodies have changed in 20 years. There is nothing left out there. Trust me, I was a pretty boy in youth and free hot fucks were a phone call away. They would just come over. Those chicks are all married now, it's over. None of them even live here any more. That's the funny thing about YOUTH...you only get it once. You don't stay young forever. Imagine that. A hard reality to accept.
/r/MGTOW22/05/21 04:59 PM
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I wish women would get rid of this idea of finding "the one" in old age. I'm 42 and have accepted that my "ones" are over with. I've had my major flings and youthful, passionate love affairs. We are fucking old now. It's not going to happen. At best, you will be lucky if you find a companion that you can handle doing shit with, which is how my last relationship with a 29 year old went. Pure companionship. Guys can fall for this, too. I'm pretty much a walled-out washed up pretty boy, but if by s…
/r/MGTOW22/05/21 04:56 PM
1

Bukowski, the writer, was ugly and a loser in his 50's, even while getting famous. A lot of "Love is a Dog From Hell" is poetry about dating divorced or single moms. He kind of bitches about how gross it is in the poetry. There is a market.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/05/21 03:38 PM
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I'm not saying this to brag, but I was a Leo pretty boy in my youth: you would be amazed how 18-24 (especially the 18) women treat you if they think you have the right genes. Live with mom and dad? No problem. No car? She'll drive over. These guys got the good treatment, but he either didn't want to be involved or is incapable of a 9-5. Maybe he smokes pot all day. Raw end of the deal? Mr. Provider. These guys think she will love him if he steps up. The closest thing to "love" these women give i…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/05/21 03:26 PM
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My grandfathers probably married the first or second woman they fucked. I've slept with over 60 women due to sexual liberation, probably more. And those are rookie numbers compared to taller, better looking guys. I dunno if I buy the bullshit that they had it better. There was also this thing called WW2, which was a bloody battle that gave a lot of them PTSD. Same boring chick for a life? A bunch of kids? Modern MGTOW who have slept around in their prime and now have the internet to talk to each…
/r/MGTOW22/05/21 01:45 PM
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The hottest chick I ever dated (23 year old blonde, daughter of big time local doctor) dated me while I was on felony probation at 29. The next chick I dated on felony probation was equally hot. I would often make these women come pick me up from either my probation hearing or from a bar, drunk. I had more sex while on probation than at any other time of my life. I don't say this to brag: I am old and worn out now. I say this to clue you in to reality.
/r/MGTOW22/05/21 10:40 AM
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Eh, she'll get the shit banged out of her for the next 6-7 years. Along with some loser boyfriends. She'll have her time in the sun. And then her time shall pass. And then she shall settle down with some sucker. Way of the world, folks. Hopefully she doesn't get preggers along the way.
/r/MGTOW22/05/21 10:30 AM
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I dunno guys, we can wax about "going our own way" all we want, but we have to look at ourselves, too. I am way too mentally unstable to be married and living with someone: I would be screaming at my wife if that were me. I can barely tolerate a one or two year relationship where we don't even live together and go home at the end of the day. I mean, yeah, I'm going my own way, but I also know myself. To thine own self be true. I'm better off keeping to myself and going online, hanging out with f…
/r/MGTOW22/05/21 10:25 AM
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Uggg dude, I dunno. But this forum makes me glad I dated when The Yeah Yeah Yeahs were still the rage and not in this minefield. Seems very complicated for youthful love!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 04:51 PM
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I was so shot out by 29 that I felt I had already lived two lifetimes. And my dating wasn't even done yet. The girl I was seeing was like 23 and had only dated one other guy, her high school sweetheart. So I don't think she understood how fucking tired I was. I literally just wanted to pass out next to her and go to sleep by the time I "wooed" her. This process gets really old, really fast. By the demise of my fourth LTR, right before her...I was exhausted. This isn't normal to date different pe…
/r/MGTOW18/05/21 04:03 PM
6

Yeah "try not to care" is key. Most dudes care.
/r/MGTOW18/05/21 02:30 PM
2

I have an ex who posts nothing but perfection of her, her boyfriend and her kid (who is not his, what a genius). I recently found out they have a dead bedroom, he's probably cheating on her and she's saving up to move out without telling him because she is afraid he will kick her and her child out. People post perfection on social media and their lives are anything but.
/r/MGTOW18/05/21 11:03 AM
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Try to bear in mind you got her when she was younger. I have an ex I dated when she was 18 who just got married at 35; that dude isn't getting anything near what I got. I also have an ex from ten years ago who is about to get married: I had her at like 23, 24. If you were early on in the game, you probably got the best of what she had to offer in terms of attitude and low-responsibility dating. Let these guys figure out mortgage payments with them is the way I see it. Not my problem, we spent al…
/r/MGTOW18/05/21 10:55 AM
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To be honest, I don't think either sex was. I Chadded my way through my 20's with plenty of girlfriends and one night stands and I can remember landing a GF at 29 and just being exhausted over what the last ten years had wrought. She was 23 and I was ready to be done, done, done. Shit was getting old. One more GF after her who I almost married before I got into MGTOW content. I know women lose their ability to pair bond, but the Velcro on dudes gets a little shoddy, too. At 42, I just dated a 29…
/r/MGTOW18/05/21 10:42 AM
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Not to sound gross, but there is such a thing as "analog" masturbation. I had a lot of girlfriends in my youth, I was blessed. So I will go back to that time and think of that. It is a lot better than porn and you don't feel as weird afterwards. Just using sense memories. It works, it really does. Again, not to sound gross. Porn just makes men sick. Caveat to this is the countless new generation of 20-29 year old virgins, who I guess are going to have to use porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 01:45 AM
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They are exactly the same. Except back in 2001, a chick might have actually been starting some shit when she talked to a Busher about gay rights or feminism. Now the battle has been won; they pretend to be fighting for a cause that was fought and done with by like 2006.
/r/MGTOW17/05/21 01:55 AM
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It's strictly from hunger, IMO. Unless we are talking about the top 5% cougar women who are still hot and can give a 21 year old a run for her money. I didn't stop dating 18 year old women until I was 26, whereupon I landed a 21 year old girlfriend who was only five years my junior. I thought this was a very mature act on my part and that I was finally dating a "real woman", hahaha. Jesus Christ. Then the next I moved up to like a 22, 23 year old post-college girl. Real adulting!
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 02:27 PM
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To be fair, my female friends who are in tradcon marriages with kids also use social media to try to convince the world that they live in "Leave it to Beaver". Both sides of this picture bullshit people and try to cover up the dirt. Although the mother is most likely the most fulfilled in the cartoon. But you won't see a picture of her on Facebook cleaning up shit or screaming at a child.
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 01:30 PM
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Whenever I look at a chick, I look for the bag. And then I go "oh my God, that BAG is to die for!". Then I jizz in my pants. If she has a PhD, I'm ready to get married. These are the things men look for in women. Right? Guys....right?
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 01:28 PM
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I applaud you for thinking outside the box. I dated within a pretty hipster block of women in my youth and most of them are mid-30's and child free. They seem to be enjoying life and traveling and their jobs. None of them ever wanted kids. None of them ever wanted to be a SAHM like their 80's mother was. While I do believe there are a great number of women who will suffer the pangs of regret for not having children while the eggs were still working, there are plenty of other women who loathed th…
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 01:26 PM
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My last girlfriend's 23 year old kid sister was morbidly obese and a pink haired SJW. My ex was 30 and I am 41 and we used to sit in the backyard while she schooled us about life. My ex and I would just sort of look at each other and grin. These women are beyond delusional. Btw, I supported gay rights in 1994, this is not some new or revolutionary thing. It's already been established. This fight was basically over 20 years ago, I hate how they act like it is some cutting edge thing. It's like be…
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 01:21 PM
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As an aging punker, I gotta tell ya: this generation hasn't moved beyond 2001 in terms of being "different". Come up with some new shit. Women were doing this as far back as 1977; it's forty years old. Something? Anything? Ladies?
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 01:18 PM
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I am 42 years old, and I haven't met an interesting woman since like 2012. It's like there is one mega-woman who is all women now. I can remember dating really interesting and sweet girls in the 2000's. Or maybe that's just the haze of youth and my memory, I dunno. But it sucks out there.
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 09:16 AM
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How many dudes do you know who did self indulgent world travel the last ten years? All the dudes I know were either stupid enough to get married and busting their ass at work or solo and busting their ass at work. Does she think bachelor men are all jet set? I mean travel is cool, but how many dudes do you know that do this? I don't know too many. Maybe one married male friend goes to Memphis once a year with his family. Whoopee fucking do.
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 08:54 AM
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Women made a nation-wide effort to live like Charles Bukowski or a bachelor since 2001. The thing is, only men can do this. Because most men don't care if they have kids...or even want them. Women will suffer. It's whatever, enjoy the shit show. I'll be in my room, drinking whiskey. Alone.
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 08:51 AM
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You really need to only chase money if you are chasing women. You can live on way less and be comfortable. You need money like that if you want house/kids/wife. Which, the whole point of this sub is that that sucks, haha. So why bother?
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 08:46 AM
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The BB can either be the same guy, but older and with money. Or a dude who was never an AF, but now has money. I think BB is a mix of the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 04:38 AM
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It's a sad fate. I have a shitty life, but at least I got to date attractive, younger women in my prime. It seems like a lot of today's dudes can't say this. Seeing a lot get with older. Oh well.
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 01:58 AM
1

I was always a taker with women: I was good looking as a kid, but didn't have a car. My girlfriends would always drive me around. Or let me drink at their place. You can basically date for free if you fit a certain criteria. I never gave much of anything to women, other than sex. I guess it beats being taken advantage of. I just made sure to never get a girl pregnant...don't want to burden someone with my child. There is being a mooch and then there is being an asshole who destroys lives, you kn…
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 01:38 AM
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Scary, but probably true. I've never made it past the first 1-2 year "Honeymoon" phase, but what I saw at the end of that was like a rabid dog (except for a few chill instances). I can't imagine getting into a long term marriage and what that would entail.
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 12:48 AM
1

This seems to be driven by some sense, sure. I can see that.
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 12:46 AM
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I kind of subscribe to a philosophy between Blue and Red Pill, which is that a relationship with a woman can be kind of nice for 1-2 years during the honeymoon phase. After that, I will believe divorced Red Pill guys that marriage and kids are not worth it. The divorce rate is too high. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle. To totally avoid dating in your 20's seems a bit much. You can have your nice romantic year with a woman and use condoms. You will be ok. Bad break up and then move o…
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 12:25 AM
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That was my whole point: if this was your wife, you would think this was normal. To be honest, if this was my wife after a kid, I would think I would be getting a pretty hot wife who plays with my kid at the beach. It is the fact that it is some other guy's kid that triggers people to rag on her. If you just saw this chick walking down the beach like that with her kid and her husband (and she is off the market), you would just think it was a healthy young family. She can't really help the fact t…
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 12:16 AM
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Always keep an open mind and question everything. Some Red Pill content is turning into 1984, where if you even question shit like hating single moms, Big Brother will come down on you. I thought the whole point of Red Pill was to question everything....including Red Pill "rules".
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 12:04 AM
1

As a guy who got laid a lot as a kid and dated like mad, I often get the vibe that this was not the case for the majority of posters. What is this chick supposed to do? Throw her child into a well and join a gym so that men will be attracted to her? I often think we make the mistake of bashing women we don't want to date, personally, rather than seeing them as human. I don't really want to date a single mom, but that doesn't mean I can't empathize with their trouble and hate them as people. As a…
/r/MGTOW15/05/21 11:55 PM
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Ok I guess I can see that reasoning, you mean they are less fertile? Like pushing 30?
/r/MGTOW15/05/21 09:47 AM
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"Sapiosexual" means Chad in glasses.
/r/MGTOW15/05/21 09:09 AM
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I am 42 and I think some of the younger guys don't realize there was a "window" in the 2000's when the break down of society and the social contract was actually a good thing. And so was sexual liberation for women. Women weren't as picky, and if you were even a Chad lite in looks, you could slay 18 year old women for a year or two before they moved on to the next guy. There was no expectation of marriage and you didn't have to go off to war or do much of anything to get laid. Even ugly dudes I …
/r/MGTOW15/05/21 08:34 AM
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To be fair, this is how your wife is going to look after she has a baby. Except this is not your wife, and she is expecting you to help provide for a kid that isn't your biological offspring. Hence, this is fucked up. But can't really fault a mom for having the body of a mom.
/r/MGTOW15/05/21 08:27 AM
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What is with these weird older women age gaps? "Me (F29) and my boyfriend (M23) went on a date, and ...." Jesus, when I was 24 I was dating an 18 year old girl with huge tits. Like a normal 24 year old. Aim DOWN in age, not up. Good lord I see this all the time now!
/r/MGTOW15/05/21 08:23 AM
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Yeah they either chose to go solo or don't want to "settle". I dated pretty smart, down to earth women in my prime and most of the smart ones just latched onto a fat dude after the C.C. They seem content. The really stuck up ones, I feel, are still looking for 666 or a guy in a band/drug dealer who is also (magically!) rich and will provide for them! At 35! How perfect!
/r/MGTOW14/05/21 09:48 AM
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I fucked the girl I worked next to at a job AND my next door neighbor when I was in my early 20's. Unfortunately, even though this has been passed down from generation to generation, it's a lesson most young guys have to learn from bittersweet experience. Both of these situations mellowed out, but could have turned into a nightmare.
/r/MGTOW14/05/21 07:10 AM
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Just don't revenge fuck her for a pump and dump and then accidentally get her pregnant. I would almost just back away, this has the potential to get bad if you let it. Nature has already taken care of her, no need to pull a rug out on her just for laughs. Just my two cents.
/r/MGTOW14/05/21 07:09 AM
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I fucked the girl I worked next to at a telemarketing job AND my next door neighbor in college when I was a kid. It was a bad scene. Thinking with your dick in your early to mid 20's will cause you lots of problems. No regrets, but it could have gotten ugly. This was the 2000's, before ME, TOO.
/r/MGTOW14/05/21 07:06 AM
1

I know so many 35, 36 year old women who still think there is a chance to have a kid. Or marry a guy with kids and be a step mom. These women are so delusional. Nothing wrong with not having a kid by 36, 37. But drop the dream of having one.
/r/MGTOW14/05/21 07:05 AM
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We are a minority of men. I sometimes go to N.A. meetings (recovering alcoholic) and you would be amazed how many 30-35 year old, grungy as hell women get wifed up by a simp in that program. Especially if they still look ok. I know a girl who stripped (I shit you not) for me and all my friends one night in a park and offered to blow us. It was so weird everyone just told her to put her clothes back on. This was a group of like 12 dudes. She later became a junkie, went to NA, got clean and now ha…
/r/MGTOW14/05/21 07:02 AM
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Well the thing is they CAN ride the cock carrousel in their 20's and have that kind of fun. That part of it is true. The lie is that someone will take them when they are over 30. Especially someone hot. It's more realistic to tell women they can ride the C.C. until they are 30 and THEN either end up alone or settle for a really gross looking, balding fat guy who makes "ok" money and will settle down for her. The Disney dream part of it is the lie.
/r/MGTOW14/05/21 06:13 AM
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I know so many dudes in trades and construction that could be killing it if they were single, but they live paycheck-to-paycheck because they either have a wife and kids or are on child support and then blow the money on the kids while being a weekend dad (big days out, big meals out, Disney, etc). These dudes would be rich if they lived minimal and invested most of that money. Guys who work their ass off, too. And can't figure out why they are always broke.
/r/MGTOW14/05/21 06:07 AM
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Don't forget, people also used to be (at least in public) Christian or Catholic in the olden days, and getting married was the only way to have sex. Catholics in particular were against birth control, so in order to fuck your wife, you would end up with like five or six kids. Everybody had kids in the olden days. I am in A.A. and the funny thing about The Big Book (written in the 1930's) is that they just ASSSUME everyone coming in has a wife and kids, so it's written in that direction. There ar…
/r/MGTOW14/05/21 06:03 AM
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ps- and sorry to ramble, but these dudes always make fun of the "beta buxx" schlub guy. I dunno, if you are 35 and a 32 year old girl comes along and decides to settle for you or whatever, there is at least a pretense of romance there. Sure, maybe she wouldn't have slept with you in her prime, but you have her now. These people live together and plan the future together. I dunno why it gets shit on so hard; it's much more realistic than buying 18 year old women purses in exchange for sex. That's…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 08:43 AM
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Yeah. Well my point is: 40+ red pill dudes who somehow sugar baby a 22 year old girl aren't getting real "romance". These women aren't in love with you because you are fucking old. It's so stupid that dudes who missed out on love and sex in their 20's think they can "make up for it" by buying a college girl purses when they are older and have money. It's not real love, you won't get love letters, the girl won't think of you fondly years later. It's not the same thing, not even the same ballpark.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 08:40 AM
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I was part of the 10-20 percent of pretty boy Chads who were just born lucky and started slaying 20-26. My life was one big Pornhub scene. You def. hit a wall, probably after 35. I got a little attention from younger women after that, but it goes down hill. And I still look ok. Chads hit the wall and it is very sad. But at least I have memories. Guys 40+ still banging 21 year old women are getting sugar babies at best. Not the real, genuine love you get when the girl is young and you are only 5-…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 07:08 AM
2

I recently had a tear in my back and every doctor I saw was either and idiot or evil. Nobody did a damn thing for me; one HAD THE CONDITION BEFORE and would not prescribe me pain meds. Horrible people.
/r/MGTOW12/05/21 11:18 PM
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I got laid a ton as a kid, but was kind of an effete pretty boy. So I disagree with it a bit, I think its's more good face/bad face. And in youth, women prefer men with the good face. I dunno if you have to be "alpha" and I have heard a lot of incel kids saying they are buff gym rats and still can't get laid because they have a bad face. These are dudes who are going to have to trade resources for sex later on in life.
/r/MGTOW12/05/21 08:12 PM
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My evo. psych book says it's 10-30% cucked men, somewhere in between. We can assume at least 20-25%. That's one out of every four kids, dude. That's insane.
/r/MGTOW12/05/21 08:08 PM
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Disgusting AF/BB shit.
/r/MGTOW12/05/21 08:06 PM
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I was recently in the hospital and it's filled with idiots like this who get paid to take your blood pressure once a day. What a fuckin' job. Hospitals and doctor's offices are filled with women who don't do shit all day. And FIVE kids. What kind of a Godless world are we headed towards?
/r/MGTOW12/05/21 08:06 PM
1

Disgusting world.
/r/MGTOW12/05/21 08:04 PM
1

This is disgusting!
/r/MGTOW12/05/21 09:39 AM
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Yeah but I'm saying who is behind it? We know the left, but who? Why? Why now? It bothers me to not really know.
/r/MGTOW12/05/21 07:45 AM
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Whoever the dad is, we all know he is a stand up, Conservative guy who works hard and will do what is best for this kid. Right? Right? Guys...right?
/r/MGTOW12/05/21 02:07 AM
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Hard issues, I pray for you and your family. Best of luck!
/r/MGTOW12/05/21 01:28 AM
1

It was a wasteland for me at 18, too. Started to pick up in the early 2000's, when I was 21. Different time and you could find a girl 18-24 to date for a year or two. After 25 and then heading towards 29, it becomes a wasteland again. A lot of those young girls now have kids. I am 41 and just dated a child free 29 year old. But I noticed that when I was scrolling through 29 year olds (youngest POF will let me look at, haha), they all had kids. It's really....after 25 chicks just end up with kids…
/r/MGTOW11/05/21 08:21 AM
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How does that work? Is there ever a sit down with the step dad? For example, if you are raising the child Christian and are very conservative and he is an atheist, is there a sit down about how you are going to raise the kid? Is there ever that man-to-man "talk" about which direction you will both go in? Probably not, right? Sorry just curious, Not in this boat.
/r/MGTOW11/05/21 06:49 AM
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I'm 41 and used to hang out with a real horny, oversexed hipster crowd in the 2000's. Punks, goths, whatever. Super liberal. Let me tell you, this shit was VERY rare back then. I knew one girl who posed for Suicide Girls. People considered that taboo. No girl I knew would do this kind of shit, it was still frowned upon. The normalization of this for young girls makes me think something bigger is going on. Not sure what, but this is odd.
/r/MGTOW11/05/21 06:26 AM
1

I just read the "Fall of Empires" paper tonight. I believe we are in the welfare/decadence part, just before collapse.
/r/MGTOW11/05/21 06:10 AM
1

Yeah I mean I know better, but damn....that's some goofy "Jerry Maguire" shit that some dipshit will fall for ASAP. Then the chick will dump him and the handicapped kid will be a wreck because dad left. And the guy will want to maintain contact with the kid, but the mom won't let him. Nice world we live in.
/r/MGTOW11/05/21 03:56 AM
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I was a notch on the CC for many cute women in my 20's: I would have stayed with any of them for life in exchange for 21-29 and all the sex. Instead, they wanted to go off to college, ride the CC and move to New York or Portland. This wasn't as big of a deal back in our World War 2/Greatest generation, cuz the guy already had her since she was 18 and didn't care. Plus there is a thing called "wife glasses", where the guy still somehow sees her at 25 of whatever. That's the natural way of marriag…
/r/MGTOW11/05/21 03:01 AM
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At 19, I lived with my parents, went to community college part time and collected comic books. I was not pregnant with a kid I had no idea how to support. So in her defense, compared to most 19 year olds, she is in a load of shit. It's sad that she thinks she is off to a "fresh start". A fresh start at 19 should be putting those bad high school grades behind you and taking those math and science classes at the local CC. Or getting a new job. Not having Chad's baby....
/r/MGTOW11/05/21 02:53 AM
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I've seen a better blow up for this before and noticed one thing: there is a little boy in a wheelchair kissing his 9/10, huge tits hot mom on the cheek. She looks about 24. Would be hard not to fall for this scenario, call me a blue pilled simp if you must. Hot mom? Handicapped kid? Uggg the emotional traps they set.
/r/MGTOW11/05/21 02:51 AM
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Not just that, but way more likely: abusive or asshole step parent. Step kids are way more likely to be abused by a step parent, because there is no biological bond keeping them together. No matter how good of a guy you are, you know that kid isn't yours, and you won't treat him as well. Not to say there aren't great step dads who step up to the plate. But to think that connection would be as tight as a bio dad, even in the best circumstances (and I know couples who are cream of the crop as far …
/r/MGTOW11/05/21 02:44 AM
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I just dated a child free 29 year old conservative Christian woman this last year: they ALL look good up front. First six months. They wouldn't swat a fly, they are angelic. To be honest, men do this, too. Everyone puts up that front at first to attract a mate. Nobody is honest. Single mom for sure will fake it...until she makes it (into your wallet).
/r/MGTOW11/05/21 02:41 AM
1

In this day and age, you never know!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 02:32 AM
2

Just do a pop rap song about eating poop. "Die 4 Your Poop". Have a black chick sing it. Bam! Every college girl will be eating shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 01:46 AM
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I've been dating and having sex since 2001 and porn has really warped people's lives. Not so much in the visual department, but in the strange fetish department. When I was a kid, anal stuff was as "naughty" as you got. I don't remember any weird role plays or anything like that, and I dated and had a lot of sex. I started noticing around 2012 that DD/LG and other weird roleplay was becoming huge. As well as BDSM. Now every time I talk to a woman and it turns sexual, it goes to either daddy shit…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 01:00 AM
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You can fake a lot of stuff with very little money if you are smart. I was a Chadlite type as a kid who was piss poor in college and lived in the dumpiest apartment complex near my university. But I always wore high class, Express for Men dress shirts and snazzy clothes. No shorts and football t-shirts: I always dressed Metro sharp. Women have no idea how you actually live when you walk around with nice clothes on and look good. Easy. I also dated a very hot chick who was on SSDI and lived at ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 12:57 AM
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I used to think it was the end of the world when a cute 18-24 year old girlfriend would break up with me after a year or two of crazy sex. Now you can't even get a year or two of crazy sex. Some guys get no sex. It's putrid out there, man.
/r/MGTOW08/05/21 08:52 AM
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The Zuckerburg one is coming, I can feel it in the vibe I get from interviews with both of them. Something seems off or like he is def. a beta buxx. They have small kids but pretty soon I think they will split. Gonna be huge.
/r/MGTOW08/05/21 08:48 AM
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Yeah I have some ok relationships with some ex's, they are very sweet women. I just talked to my ex from college and we had a good chat. It's absurd to turn from love like that to hate. This is a fallen world, man. The family unit is falling apart.
/r/MGTOW08/05/21 06:45 AM
3

I never say anything bad about my ex's and always talk them up. I have an ex who I am still very fond of; I had to write her an amends after being in a 12-step program. I wrote her the sweetest note telling her I was sorry for any bad thing I did. The vitriol and the hatred she spewed back at me was unreal. I dunno how I loved a heart like that. It's not the heart I thought I would find. Men are the romantics, IMO.
/r/MGTOW08/05/21 06:29 AM
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I was good looking as a kid, "get" what this shit is about and have been in fiery, doomed romances with women who I could have made single mom as a kid. Relationship where we were both toxic to one another and neither of us were ready to have a child (thank God for condoms). I cannot FATHOM turning around and saying all this shit about the father of my own kid after a romance like that. I still think fondly of women I had affairs like this with 10, 20 years ago. The heart of these women is just …
/r/MGTOW08/05/21 05:41 AM
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I just came to learn and expect they last about a year or two, six months of that are pretty decent, the rest is downhill. Simple as that. Probably not worth the squeeze, but men keep squeezing. They always leave in the end, no woman will stick by you. If you are lucky, family will. That's about it. Disloyal world.
/r/MGTOW07/05/21 03:37 AM
1

It's funny: I actually dated a lot as a kid, and have a concept for a book of short stories with one story per seven women I have been in a LTR with. The other ones are fire. This one? Gonna be a pretty fucking lame short story, haha. I only dated her to make some memories because I had been single so long, but Jesus....she was a chore and a bore to deal with. I mean, decent human, but damn is dating not fun in 2021 and in middle age. Maybe the kids still have their fire, I dunno. Seems like man…
/r/MGTOW07/05/21 02:44 AM
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Yeah, the way they talk about the father of their own child is just unreal. This is a guy she clearly once was "in love" with and now she turns around and chews him out for all social media to see. It's a sad world we live in.
/r/MGTOW07/05/21 12:49 AM
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It was quite foolish, yeah. Thanks.
/r/MGTOW07/05/21 12:42 AM
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Thanks, I am just glad I didn't move in with her. I would sit in her backyard and think "what the hell am I doing here?". It had been so long since I had dated that it was BRUTALLY awkward, too. She just....I couldn't wait to get away sometimes. She just bitched about work non stop. I tried to be empathetic but I stopped caring. She had a good job, too. In STEM. I dunno.
/r/MGTOW07/05/21 12:06 AM
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This is a complex issue due to age. In your 20's, you can date a really pretty woman who may have flaws, but the flaws make her more unique. She stands out from other young women her age. As you get older, though, your looks threshold has to go down. Because frankly, neither sex looks that great past a certain point. My ex wasn't the prettiest girl I ever dated and was in her early 30's. But it's to be expected that you aren't going to date mega hotties as you get older. I liked her for her pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 11:58 PM
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Yeah, the sex drive is way down. I just felt really lonely. But I felt really lonely with her, and as soon as she would gone I would dive back into the internet or call a male friend. It was just so silly, I feel bad that I ever dragged her into it. I wasn't into it at all I could not even FATHOM the idea of living with this woman, which she brought up.
/r/MGTOW06/05/21 11:50 PM
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I've developed a sixth sense over the years. The first 6-12 months I totally relaxed, because based on experience, I knew she was falling or whatever, and I could sort of kick back and be smooth. Then when things got rocky I could sense her pulling away. Always see this at the 1-2 year mark, which means she is going to monkey branch. Normally it bugs the hell out of me, but I could feel NOTHING for this girl. Other than as a good friend, and I do wish the best for her. That romance thing was dea…
/r/MGTOW06/05/21 10:14 PM
1

yeah, pretty Leo as a teen, David Gandy in her early 20's and then beta buxxx deluxe to settle down with once she gets fat and loses her looks.
/r/MGTOW06/05/21 09:24 PM
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I really like this post, but I just want to point out one slight flaw in your argument: if it is simply unchecked female nature, it's not by design. This is simply cavewoman programming being played out with no restrictions. Have a baby with an alpha; find a beta to raise it. In this case, there is no grand conspiracy theory, it's just that in an aesthetic, liberal world, this is how people run wild. And these things used to be checked by strong values. See I just point it out because I really s…
/r/MGTOW06/05/21 08:58 AM
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Things were so much easier in the 2000's, because if you were even remotely ok looking and low inhibition, the spoils of war would go to you. Hell, even ugly guys I knew trying PUA in like 2003 still got laid. Whoever approached a chick in public back then had a decent shot and women, even select women, only had a few dudes orbiting them. I dated the second hottest goth girl in my social circle in 2003 and she didn't even know that many people in real life. Guys could shoot their shot on AOL mes…
/r/MGTOW06/05/21 07:49 AM
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I'm 41 years old and still clinging to some of the Chad of my youth. In recent memory, I have been flirted with by 1.) an 18 year old hipster girl in my neighborhood who turned out to be a stripper 2.) a cute 20 year old BBW girl who turned out to be a phone sex worker who also wrote erotica (some of which she read to me: all daddy dom shit) and 3.) a 21 year old nerdy girl who I later found out used to work as a stripper. These are just three girls from my neighborhood who I interact with. And …
/r/MGTOW06/05/21 07:36 AM
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I've dated two, big tits hot women who were covered in tats and both are 100% whores. One later became a single mom. The other one is on welfare. To be honest, I actually respected her being a whore who just didn't work and fucked all the time. She was pretty good to me and I didn't care that she was a slut. She represented a big fuck you to the rat race. If you are out there, Nikki, God bless!
/r/MGTOW06/05/21 05:30 AM
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Dual mating strategy, for sure.
/r/MGTOW06/05/21 03:32 AM
4

I slept with a woman I worked with back in my prime: she told everyone in the office about it, including our manager. Our manager was joking around about it to me. Totally gross. Imagine if the sexes were reversed? I also slept with my neighbor back in my prime: she broadcast the whole thing to social media the next day. "I got so drunk that I slept with my neighbor, tee hee". Women do not keep their mouths shut about who they sleep with and if you live next to or work with one, WATCH OUT. They …
/r/MGTOW06/05/21 03:24 AM
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It's a trend, but I would disagree that they say "fuck what people think of me." It's a big time attention grabber and is supposed to symbolize that you are "cool" and perhaps quite lax about things like drug abuse and casual sex. At least that is my take on it: most young people in NA are covered with them. Straight edge kids who get them are the outlier, I guess. It's like long hair in the 60's; it symbolizes that you are "down" or whatever.
/r/MGTOW05/05/21 08:29 PM
1

Generally, yah, but depends on the circumstances. I ran into a girl who was arguing with her boyfriend and had drugs on her outside of my local gas station at about 3am awhile back. She wanted me to stay near her because she was afraid. I wasn't so much afraid of the boyfriend, but of the fact that she was carrying drugs and we live near a police station. She went to go smoke whatever she had and I politely told her I had to go home. She was pissed. Generally, you should treat humans like humans…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 07:36 PM
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I am in the south, yeah. I am in Florida. I "get" the beach bullshit: everybody likes the beach. But there is a huge shift towards camping/hiking that I just no is never going to happen with a woman who has two kids. You know?
/r/MGTOW04/05/21 07:13 AM
4

Zero fucking loyalty, man. None.
/r/MGTOW04/05/21 02:54 AM
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There are just no good women left to date, really. It's that bad out there. I wish you the best, and keep on your purpose. I wish I made that kind of cash! You are blessed.
/r/MGTOW03/05/21 05:37 AM
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What guy here, but it is also my understanding that in the black community, if you act "white", you will be excluded from female company. Like they dismiss men like this, sexually? This is my understanding. So there is like one less incentive to clean up your act: women will penalize you for it. Women in the white community like young "bad boys" (I was one in my idiot youth), but not the same same extent that young black females praise thugs. And most white "bad boys" are of the "Rebel Without a…
/r/MGTOW03/05/21 04:55 AM
1

I would never do it, frankly. But a lot of guys sign up for it. I would be bitter about the previous rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 09:41 PM
1

At that point, I think she is long past caring about the looks factor, man. None of my ex's seem to care what the BF looks like. I have ONE 35 year old hottie gym rat ex who still dates pretty boy Chads. The rest don't seem to care. It's like they get it out of their system young.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 09:01 PM
1

I am seeing a lot of ex's marry very, very ugly guys and I do wonder how that will pan out in the 40's. Like if it will last. It does seem VERY ODD to me that people cycle through 1-2 year relationships in their 20's and then suddenly in their 30's think a 1-2 year relationship means it is time to marry. These are weird dating dynamics we live in. But you are right, most of it is staged. I just know what I see.
/r/MGTOW02/05/21 08:27 PM
1

Yeah they were in some romance movie together back in the day. Julie Deppe or something her name is? I forget what, she was a thing in the 90's Super French features.
/r/MGTOW02/05/21 08:04 PM
1

I'm gonna slightly disagree with this: yeah, she settles for the chubby, bearded beta guy later on. But is she miserable? Most of my hipster ex girlfriends did this and they seem quite content. It's like some chubby, craft beer swilling dude with an ok job. They travel together. I dunno. I disagree with some MGTOW that the chick is like....dying inside. They seem content to settle for a partner once they realize they have lost their shine. Talking 31-36. Then again, I am taking what I see on Ins…
/r/MGTOW02/05/21 07:59 PM
2

Yeah, Dual Mating Strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 06:08 PM
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She was gorgeous back in the day. He still looks amazing in his 50's.
/r/MGTOW02/05/21 03:19 AM
1

I can legitimately remember driving around with my 18 year old goth GF when I was 23 (she was driving me, I didn't even own a car) and fretting about how we were going to afford a house someday. Nobody saw this shit coming: you just assumed you would end up marrying eventually. That girl is like 36 now and still never got married. Dates a cop with a kid and is on the fence about it due to him having a kid. I was always a weirdo musician and knew that I, PERSONALLY, might end up unmarried. But it…
/r/MGTOW02/05/21 12:32 AM
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You won't change female preferences in the prime of life, which is when women are 18-25. But I do notice women tend to ease off them in their 30's once they find a guy who fits a provider role. I've seen some easing that is quite comical.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 11:22 PM
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I was the classic "bad boy" alcoholic at around 29, and this one fat, pizza faced Hispanic orbiter of my (very pretty) blonde girlfriend was always trying to point out my flaws and get in the way. His Insta was filled with pics of them together, it was so obvious this had been going on since high school. She was like 23 by this point. We would always make fun of him behind his back, that's the sad part. You are orbiting a chick who thinks you are a joke and mocks you to her boyfriend during car …
/r/MGTOW01/05/21 11:17 PM
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I don't believe it does anything to your vagina and I used to be best friends with a single mom like this. The problem isn't that they can't be sexy, the problem is that they have 1-5 kids in tow if you want to get serious with them. I would rather date a chubby 24-26 year old woman with no children than date a super fine 35 year old with kids running around. The kids are the turn off, not the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 10:29 PM
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Nah, all you have to do is move to Portland or some other city and find a beta 35-40. They can leave the past totally behind, all my ex's did. Nobody will know or care and you will never run into anyone who knows. Lie, lie, lie. I've noticed the trick with this is to wear Cat Lady librarian glasses when you do the "switch". I know former drug addicted women who were basically prostitutes from when I was a kid who later found a beta sucker who has never really had any female attention. Remember h…
/r/MGTOW01/05/21 10:16 PM
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I was a musician and a Leo pretty boy as a kid: I realize at 42 the only things people wanted from me in my prime were as a band member or a fuck buddy/boyfriend. Dirt poor, so no woman ever used me as a resource. People just want to use you for what you have, it's life. Women either wants looks or resources. Nobody cares about men. Turn away from it, I guess.
/r/MGTOW01/05/21 10:07 PM
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This is the future, kids. Open relationships.
/r/MGTOW01/05/21 10:04 PM
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If you are good looking but show red flags of not being good boyfriend material, you can squeeze your way into a FWB/make out session buddy level. So it's worth if for good looking guys to befriend ANY female. You will probably either date her or at least fuck around with her. But if she doesn't want to fuck around, you gotta maintain dignity and move on. I dated a lot of hot women in my prime, and ALL of them had jealous orbiters. It was really sad to watch. Also, very annoying for me, personal…
/r/MGTOW01/05/21 09:27 PM
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You have to maintain your dignity while young. I was blessed to be good looking as a kid: girls fit into three categories 1.) girls I was dating 2.) girls that would not date me but would make out with/get sexual with me and 3.) unattractive (but good) female friends who I either didn't want to fuck or the feeling was mutual (one was a fat lesbian and one of my best friends as a kid). If you go beyond these three and get into the friendzone with a chick you want to date/fuck, you will be miserab…
/r/MGTOW01/05/21 09:23 PM
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I find I can't stand younger women, period. Even though I am still very attracted to them at 41. I still look good for my age, and in the past, some younger women in my area have flirted with me. I can't believe how vapid they are. One turned out to be a former stripper; the other girl told me right off the bat she does phone sex. And a few years ago, an 18 year old who was always chatting me up turned to stripping. I dunno if it's just the women in my area, or what, but I have yet to meet a cha…
/r/MGTOW01/05/21 05:42 AM
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Very sad, but you see this all the time now. Marriage is dying in the West.
/r/MGTOW30/04/21 11:57 PM
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I at least admit my single life is mundane and boring. I know so many women my age, 35-37, who are single and try to still make their life look like some hipster indie movie. It's just them at home with the dog most of the time. Silly. No shame in being single, but why hype it up?
/r/MGTOW30/04/21 11:55 PM
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Yeah but for every guy like that, there is the kid who took off. I dunno. In my local experience (and I WAS like this, but never had kids), men like this take off on the kid and just date around. Wasn't trying to be a jerk. I don't care. I would have done the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 11:21 PM
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I guess you have given me a new perspective. I didn't date until later in life due to anxiety. I was also a "Chad" pretty boy with the Leo shit going on in youth. My first GF lived down the road: she was 18 and I was 21. We met at a coffee house at a punk show. She was crazy about me: she used to write me love letters. I saved them in a box. We talked about a future together. We acted like husband and wife. It was all very serious. She was a cutie pie, loyal hipster girl who wanted to be a write…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 10:44 PM
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Best comment of this entire forum. Sticky this, haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 10:21 PM
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I didn't mean to be a dick and am a musician/writer, myself. I am OP and re-reading that comment looks like a put down to my own kind. I have no doubt you are an amazing father!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 06:59 PM
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You can bullshit popularity, influence and social status (if you have looks) in ways that will have zero ability to help you provide and protect. In fact, they will be a detriment. Local pot dealer. Local band guy. Local poet/writer. Local SoundCloud rapper. All of these guys get laid and have low level, street level status. None of these guys will probably make good dads.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 07:33 AM
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Ok, let me just clarify: I think Red Pill advice urging men not to marry and have children (or at least pause before they did it) is amazing, avuncular stuff and I am glad it exists. I think I meant more the full on black pill/incel ideology: does it make sense to completely give up on short term dating when you are younger? It can be amazing. Or I guess to put it another way: had you met your wife, dated her for only a year, had a really intense time and then parted ways (sans children), would …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 07:21 AM
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It's online dating and social media driving most of this, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 05:15 AM
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What you just described sounds like a civil war, it must be VERY bad out there. I am 41, btw. If you were average you just dated some average hipster girl and had a great time. Much easier back in 2003, jeez do I feel old.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 05:00 AM
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Yeah, true: I think we are the minority who overthink this so much. I stumbled upon MGTOW content around six or seven years ago and have been sucked in ever since. You just LAND here, haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 04:59 AM
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True, thanks. Just been a rough stretch for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 04:58 AM
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Not sure what you mean by realistic vs. what isn't. Any sane and somewhat "with it" 24 year old knows their lane, so to speak. And stays within sexual marketplace value leagues. Or at least they did when I was a kid. That is realistic. I think for someone who is 21 to assume "it's over for me, I give up" is unrealistic. No fat girlfriend? You won't try an ugly chick? You aren't going to date? Depends on what you mean by realistic. Sometimes the realism that I see is just being overly PESSIMISTIC…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 04:41 AM
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Good looking pretty boy with no money as a kid: decent looking older guy after 35 and still no money. Mine was a case of a long feast and then a long famine.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 04:34 AM
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yeah, but what bullets are you hoping to dodge? As long as you don't get anyone pregnant or catch a really bad STD or domestic violence charge, all you come out on at the other end is more informed about life. I mean, are you talking about MGTOW stuff? As far as avoiding marriage? I dated a lot as a kid, and as long as you use condoms, I don't see THAT many pitfalls. Might get cheated on, gotta live with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 03:10 AM
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I have to say, I went through the roller coaster of dating in my 20's and early 30's, and being able to intellectualize some of that stuff and process it was a big help. I dunno, I almost feel like this is "hidden knowledge" and that people shot not be exposed to it until AFTER they have dated. We are so self aware with the computer! I never thought like this before I found this stuff. Just....cute girl...approach girl...date....I was more concerned with fashion, movies and music in my 20's.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 02:56 AM
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This shit is heartbreaking because...and I say this as a 90's hipster who LOATHES both his music and acting career (too cheesy)...this is a GOOD man. A big time provider for his family and a super family oriented man. And I feel horrible that his wife dragged him through cheating drama and that his kids act out like this. But that's life. Also, I can say this from life experience: the stable, two parent household with money? Yeah, it's best for the kid, but it also can produce monsters. I was an…
/r/MGTOW30/04/21 12:32 AM
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I almost had my "ideal" partner and we were planning on getting married and being child free. Commitment, tradition, sentiment, partnership, etc. All these things matter. Just because you don't want a child doesn't mean you can't get serious. Plenty of child free couples now!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 06:02 PM
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Vast majority of men want to SEDUCE a female, not fucking rape her. Surprise, surprise, a big element of sex for men is that we want to feel wanted, too. Having a chick tell you "no" and try to fight you off is a turn off for any sane man. That's why in porn the chick is INTO IT, not screaming bloody murder. Most sane men look for a yes.
/r/MGTOW29/04/21 05:49 AM
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Even men who enjoy the most hardcore BDSM style sex only get off on it because it is consensual. Most men want to SEDUCE a woman, not fucking rape her. Not being wanted by the woman you are about to have sex with is a huge turn off for any sane man: you want to feel like she is dying to have sex with you. Any indication that is not is a no go for....like you said....99% of dudes.
/r/MGTOW29/04/21 05:46 AM
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I'm not SO hardcore about MGTOW stuff that I would totally skip dating...maybe not as long as 8 years, but I did just get out of a two year relationship. So I will give you some blue pill advice that EVEN a total normie would say: You just got out of an 8 year relationship. You need a year off from dating, minimum, to get over that if you want to plunge back in. So even a non-MGTOW would tell you to get off of dating websites. Even if you don't fully get into this stuff and end up dating again, …
/r/MGTOW29/04/21 01:13 AM
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I was dating the 2001-era pink haired Riot Grrl and goth types. That was def. the first wave of what you see now. I have to admit, I had some great memories: they were fun to date. But honest to God, the only ex I have (I dated a lot) who has a husband JUST got married at 36 years old. Long waits, lots of partying.
/r/MGTOW29/04/21 12:27 AM
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I would argue that you got a better deal if you were in the higher percentage (and it's higher than 20, IMO) of men who women chose to sleep with/date once they got their sexual freedom and were bound for college/living it up, not being a stay at home mom. The man gets the freedom of not having to be a breadwinner WHILE getting sex and a short term year or two fling. The woman doesn't have to settle with the man for life. The guys who were totally left out of this and are now suddenly getting si…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 05:47 PM
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Yeah the dating market has changed so much (41 here) that I feel loathe even giving some younger guys advice. It's totally different than even 2000. My generation really made it a shitshow as far as women not getting married until 35, 36 years old.
/r/MGTOW28/04/21 03:55 PM
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I am a 42 year old who was a kind of Chad hipster: this has been going on since the 2000's. I know a few people who settled down young in the 2000;'s, but almost all of my ex's dated around and traveled around until 30 or 36 before they settled down. I know few people in my age group who settled down young. Gotta be a 50-60 thing, IMO.
/r/MGTOW28/04/21 03:53 PM
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Coach Greg Adams has this same graph in his book "Free Agent Lifestyle". It's pretty eye opening.
/r/MGTOW23/04/21 05:40 PM
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I dated probably the girls old enough to be your mother: in hipster circles, you could still find decent Jewish and Catholic women. Or at least women who had been shaped in that manner. 2000's. 34-40 now. No longer the case. May God bless you even in singlehood and consider it a great blessing.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 05:25 PM
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Your chances of finding a "Proverbs 31" woman are low, man. Not in this day and age. Don't let it discourage you: stay in Psalms and Proverbs and soak up the ancient wisdom! Better to dwell alone in a corner of a rooftop than with a contentious woman. All that jazz. No promise we were going to get hot wives! Trials and tribulations is more what you will get. Stay strong!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 04:46 PM
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Correct, I just watched a sermon about this very topic: it is only GROUNDS. The correct thing to do is try to forgive and work out the issue to keep the nuclear family together. He didn't mean run out the front door with all of your crap and start posting on MGTOW/feminist sites. Probably a long chat with the Pastor is in order, etc. Lots of people survive this.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 03:03 PM
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It took me until 26-ish to finish college, with a liberal arts degree, and the ship had totally sailed by that point. The "thing to do" in my area for folks in my Narcotics Anonymous program is to go back to school for an A.A. or an Addictions Specialist certificate way later in life: 30, 40, even 60. The local community college in my area is loaded with people like this and single moms going back to school for an A.A. they will never transfer with or use. "Stay in school" is a great slogan if y…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 02:51 PM
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Your perception of your SMV probably has A LOT to do with your mental health and self image. For example, I hated myself as a kid, but women really liked me 20-34ish. This had a profound effect on how happy I was. I started to view myself in a totally different way. This also explains how a so-called "Stacy" could have totally low self image: maybe she compares herself to Instagram models, so it's always an upward comparison. SMV and your perception of it is massive, and with the internet and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 03:08 AM
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If she was raised old school, she wouldn't be single at almost 40 with three kids. Doesn't seem very traditional and I don't remember any of my grandmothers being in this boat.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 02:43 AM
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Exactly. I dispense advice to a 23 year old, kinda dumb (but very nice) Chad kid in my neighborhood because he reminds me of a young me. "Don't get anyone pregnant." That kind of thing. I don't see him as a "threat" and I am not gunning to have sex with the local 18 year olds he sleeps with. But to a woman my age, a 23 year old is an affront to her sex status. My female friend and I have a theory that this is part of the reason women don't do as well as men in some fields. Older dudes will take …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 02:39 AM
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You say that as someone who has been married and also dated 18-26ish year old women who DID make you a priority. There are tons of virgin dudes of her generation who have no idea what that is like or how good it feels, and will gladly get into a LTR with a woman who gives about 30%, max, attention to them and can only hang out a few nights a week. You don't know what you don't know. A lot of the men who date single moms are guys who didn't date in youth and don't know love letters, hanging out 2…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 02:30 AM
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They preach "just get a degree/go back to school" as the gospel for everyone who is fucking up in life. When in reality, you need to get a decent degree 18-25, max, that will result in a GOOD JOB. Anything else is bullshit. I attend a recovery program that is loaded with people like this and much, much older who have wandered back into our massive local community college plantation because "just go back to school" for a useless degree is still preached as some kind of "out" for any bad life fuck…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 02:23 AM
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Full time school PLUS three kids = no time to ever hang out. I recently dated a 29 year old with a full time job and three pets...almost never hung out. That's a CHILD FREE woman. This woman will have zero time for you but expect you to spend a lot of money and eventually marry.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 02:18 AM
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Jesus said infidelity is the only "ok" grounds for divorce two times in Mathew. Anything else is unacceptable. So yeah, probably married too young, cheating and one of them rushed in on it as an excuse to divorce. Mind you, it's only GROUNDS for divorce, not an automatic thing. The idea was that you would try to work on it first, as marriage is sacred. And then you end up 26 and raising a family all on your own with zero prospects to every remarry. Silly.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 02:16 AM
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She just admitted to AF/BB, except deep down, she wants to get if from the same Brad Pitt/Johnny Depp man. Which, with her looks, she would be lucky to get a fat BB pushing 50. The entitlement is absurd. This woman couldn't have gotten a top shelf AF IN HER PRIME. And now at 37, with a NINE YEAR OLD, she thinks she can find it? Clown world.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 02:10 AM
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"It would be nice to find stability and excitement in the same person", good luck. That is what AF/BB is for. Btw, how much "excitement" do women need at 37? We are middle aged now, for God's sakes. I was a total bad boy dipshit in my youth and I sobered up and don't expect "excitement" in my life at 40. I just want shit to kind of go smoothly. What do they think is out there at this age? The same shit as a Friday night at age 22? It's insane.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 02:03 AM
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I'm 41 and spent 34-now in a recovery program: it's amazing how not grown up some 40 year old women are. We are middle aged now, for God's sakes. I know we don't have to cart around in wheelchairs and totally give up on life, but good lord. They act like we are still 24 years old. We aren't.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 02:00 AM
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Having a job and no felony convictions is big step up from what she dated in her prime.
/r/MGTOW21/04/21 08:43 PM
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Are you on meds? Are you insane? Do you use birth control? How many men have you driven to the point of suicide?
/r/MGTOW21/04/21 08:41 PM
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Skip the drama and focus on YOU.
/r/MGTOW21/04/21 08:29 PM
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Dude, I'm a 41 year old loser ex-pretty boy who played in a White Stripes-style garage rock band until I was 31. I am a fucking loser: the only people who get laid right out of the gate are losers and assholes. You will be much, much better off than me in the long run if you keep your money tight and focus on what you can do, career wise. I was blessed to never get anyone pregnant, but getting female attention when you are a kid makes you lazy. Consider yourself blessed highly by God to not have…
/r/MGTOW21/04/21 08:27 PM
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And stars in "The Fast And The Furious Marvel Super Hero 6: The Hero Returns." Nothing less than a king for a Kween!
/r/MGTOW21/04/21 05:39 PM
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I was Chad still-lives-at-home poor musician dipshit in my 20's: I had a boatload of women during that decade. All of the sudden around 33, shit dried up and women started asking about careers and money. I quickly went off the radar in my local scene. Free vagina makes you very lazy for some reason. Working on it! Just don't get anyone pregnant and you will be ok.
/r/MGTOW21/04/21 05:38 PM
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Probably on some level they are aware that she wasn't into them in the first place, so something is wonky. It's so funny that women do this, but for having a child, she needs that stability. So the bad boys are out, long term. But for sure they will have a kid with one. This stuff is comical to me now.
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 06:34 PM
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If she liked you and you showed interest, she would have dated you 18-24. That's just the cold, hard truth. She's only interested now due to money.
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 05:20 PM
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Classic BB. I sometimes think BB guys think they are alpha because she signed up for the "long haul" (marriage, kids, house, etc). I really think the vast majority of BB guys don't want to admit the truth.
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 05:15 PM
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Even Chad will seem boring after a year or two of double back flips, as Coach Adams would say. But let's be real (and I'm not trying to sound mean): this guy was a BB from the moment she laid eyes on him. So it was doomed. Few people in this place in a relationship want to admit the truth. It was all a long con.
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 05:13 PM
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The thing is, only a minority of people are even aware of (or will admit to) AF/BB. Cuz nobody wants to admit to being on the BB end (vast majority of dudes). What we talk about here is almost secret knowledge, and a ton of guys who had eyes for this girl back in the day (but had no shot) will raise their hand like a kid who knows the answer in class and sign up for this shit. Especially if she is still young and can "bounce back". Her safety net is gigantic, even though we on this forum know th…
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 05:09 PM
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I was the alcoholic version of this kid and had a bad pregnancy scare (broken condom) with an 18 year old when I was around 23. If you are the kind of guy who is "getting it" 20-26ish years old, you should probably be aware of the fact that you are getting laid a lot. And you should probably use a condom EVERY time you have sex. It takes two to tango. She is by no means a "victim", she just wanted to fuck a hot guy. But the hot guy should have been self aware that he had a steady supply of young…
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 05:08 PM
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Man, I would find it pretty odd if a guy had model-tier looks AND autism and couldn't get women after him. Even just average Becky women that though he was shy or endearing. This guy vs. an ugly but outgoing guy? Seems like the introvert would win.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 04:56 PM
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Oh wow, that is next level simp, damn. Lucky kid!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 04:54 PM
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I was a pretty boy as a kid and a girl I was with for years in my 20's would always tell me to "save my money" when I would offer to pay for something big for her. I didn't have a car and she drove me around, so I felt bad and would always offer to buy her some big ticket thing (boxed set, etc) a few times a year to make up for it. But she would always go Dave Ramsey on me. Different rules for different guys, I guess. I was always told "don't worry about it" and "save the cash'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 04:49 PM
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I was a pretty boy/Chad as a kid and didn't own a car: women just drove me around all through my 20's. One used to drive me to work. Is this what you mean by "simping"? Short term, young females will simp pretty hard for a loser they think is "hawt". But long term, they get sick of guys like this, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 04:45 PM
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I think "alpha" is misunderstood, and what it should be is "good face". There are plenty of "alpha" guys on the incels.co website who go to the gym all the time and are hypermacho. They have bad faces and no female attention, though. They call these guys "ogre". A meek pretty boy with a River Phoenix vibe will always outshine these guys. Summation: The whole alpha/beta thing is misunderstood and it should be more good facial genes/bad facial genes. And yeah, young women will break rules for the …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 04:28 PM
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I was going to say the same, but as OP pointed out: they live rural. In a bigger city, you are a fool to buy a car as a young person. Even Conservative cheapskate Gene Simmons advices against owning a car in all his books and says to use public transport. However, smarter money would be 1.) save up to move to big city and 2.) use public transport in big city. Just my two cents. This thread makes me glad I am not a dad.
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 02:25 AM
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I was raised by Green Day, Kurt Cobain and Weezer. No matter how tradcon you are, the media will raise your kids for you. Takes further reflection later in life to undo the brainwashing.
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 02:10 AM
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Alpha fucks/beta bucks. It's a loose idea, but basically: 18-25 year old young women fuck good looking, hot guys in youth (mostly for genes) and then settle for beta provider guys who aren't hot, but have good jobs later on in life (for resources). If you can become a single mom with an alpha and then later get a beta workhorse (dude may be fat, ugly, chubby, etc) to take care of the kid, she is set. Kid gets the good genes from the alpha AND the beta's cash. I'll let other people weigh in on th…
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 01:38 AM
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AF/BB make it impossible. They rarely get good genes AND resources from the same guy. Gotta pursue two strategies.
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 01:31 AM
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My parents were hippie Chad and Stacy who both had "accident" love babies in the late 60's. So my mom was a single mom when my dad met her, after his first divorce. I was the product of their Reagan-era union. I was the last child. And I swear to God...my mother would not let me go NEAR a woman with one child, let alone two. They know the truth and it will ONLY come out in this situation. Bringing a single mother home to my own (former single mom) mother would be unthinkable in my household.
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 01:22 AM
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I was good looking as a kid: everything is way more playful and less needy/desperate. If you get rejected, no big deal. You will meet another person later that week if you are 20-26. Lots more options, probably way less creepy, yeah. When you are fairly certain to have a steady supply of "ok" looking women as ONS partners or GF's, you are more playful than needy. Flirty and fun, I guess. Oh, to be young!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 09:40 PM
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I guess I dated within more of a "hipster" scene in the 2000's: I just consider jeans, flip flops/chucks and a vintage t-shirt? I cannot say I ever dated into the mohawk crowd, that was too intense for me. More like your average 2001 Sonic Youth fan. Or your Avril type of mall girl. More mundane. Mohawk girl vs. goth girl, no clue! That's quite a fashion statement!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 05:12 PM
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I think just the different styles lend themselves to different interpretations. Chick in flip flips and Ramones t-shirt = bring home to mom. Chick in goth corset = mom is not home, want to come over? Totally different vibes. Prefer the goth for sex, heart goes out to the flip flop girl. Madonna/whore paradigm at its best. Ultimate goal: flip flop chick as wife, goth girl as mistress. You see what I mean? Caveman brain waves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 03:52 PM
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I dated two kinds of women in my youth: high fashion goth/rockabilly chicks and flip flop wearing, pink haired drunk punk chicks. Punk chicks feel like a wife/girlfriend. Goth chicks feel like a mistress. That's all I can tell ya.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 03:41 PM
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I am a bit of an expert on the subject, because I dated two "big tiddy goths" in my prime, one of whom was asked to do Suicide Girls. As has been stated: it just looks hot. These women dress well and take very good care of themselves. You feel like you are with your mistress, not your girlfriend. It's just a sexy look, and if you are into fashion and alternative culture, you will be drawn to women like this. Not so much the lower end, trashy goths, but the hot ones who go all out. Also, contrary…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 03:33 PM
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I've "been there and done that" with women like this in their youth. You are getting the raw end of the deal, my guy.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/04/21 08:53 PM
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Yeah, vast majority of women I have dated have put work into it. Sometimes more than I did. This assumption almost assumes like a guy she's not even that into. Who has to win her heart. Raw attraction is much more natural, by design. Most of the women I have dated put work in and dressed well during the courtship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 06:14 PM
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Most women will make it a point to look/dress good during at least the first year or two of courtship. This, itself, takes work. Which is overlooked. If your girlfriend is coming over and being passive, but is wearing dresses, nice clothes, has everything done up, etc, she is putting effort in. It is up to you to supply the romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 04:27 PM
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I am a child free male and my life has enough bullshit in it. I can't imagine being a single mom. Then again, I can't imagine lacking this much foresight to see how bad this situation was going to turn out. But that "View" brainwashing that being a single mom is sunshine and roses still probably runs pretty deep. There is a reason the two parent family has always worked the best....
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 06:26 PM
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Yeah...my hesitation to get into something like this (other than to not want to raise another man's seed) is that she probably still has feelings for the Baby Daddy. These are usually short, intense bursts of passion that people still think about years later. Only happens in youth. She'll be pining for "that" feeling for years to come. Maybe get it again with different men, different babies. We are watching civilization collapse before our very eyes, man. Sick world.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 06:21 PM
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Preaches against hook up culture/pregnant on dating app. ​ Does not compute... ​ Does not compute....
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 01:44 PM
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She met that guy 20 years ago and told him "you make such a great friend."
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 01:42 PM
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At 23, they are dating an unemployed Chad. Selling a BMW for used mini-van prices. At 43, they want a CEO Chad. Selling a mini van for BMW prices. It's absurd. Although it will play out in your favor in youth if your face is good.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 01:42 PM
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The hottest sex I had in my youth was with GF's I barely knew or cared about. There was no emotional "availability": we just fucked like animals. Both parties seemed fine with this situation. I barely know anything about my top/hottest/wildest sexual partner from when I was 24. We didn't spend too much time talking. This is beta provider shit.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 01:40 PM
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I'm 41 (M) and have accepted that my hottest/most romantic dating and hook ups are far behind me. How are these women middle aged and still think some romantic comedy that will only happen when you are 21 will unfold in their lives? Hope is a hell of a drug. I mean, WE ARE FOURTY. Now if you will excuse me, I am off to find my ideal 21 year old virgin wife who will cook and clean for me and cater to my every need. Certainly this ship has not sailed. Later, losers!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 01:36 PM
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Man, Chad said some BRUTAL shit when she was about 26 and it's still spinning around in her mind. Look at those EYES. This woman has been tortured by Chad!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 01:33 PM
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Hipster-ism is only a valid mating option if you have the right face. Ugly men who like Wilco, old Sonic Youth records, The Smiths, etc aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Unless it's to bail this woman out years later.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 01:31 PM
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Someone will sign up for clean up crew, though. The desperation is real out there. There is some guy who will treat her like a 21 year old, child free woman. It's that bad in 2021.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 01:29 PM
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I was dumb enough to get an English degree and think I was the next Bukowski as a kid: I could have just read the 20-30 classic novels we studied over a six month period on my own with a library card. And then learned a trade. I'm as dumb as some of these women, but hey. What can you do? I skipped the four babies I could not take care of part.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 01:23 PM
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I was on the same Bukowski/Kurt Cobain trip as a kid: as a man, I was smart enough to not have a child. You can't live a beatnik lifestyle and also drag four kids into the mix. Not fair. I was cognizant that I was a weird fuck up by 16 and went out of my way not to have babies because of this. I'd love to see some of her "art" (note: there is none. There is no craft. She plays nothing and writes nothing).
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 01:20 PM
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I hate when women are "making their music" or making their art or whatever, but not doing jack shit. I was in a local rock band from 21-30 and it's like having a really hard part time job that eats up most of your time. Plus the amount of negotiating you have to do with other people is like being in a really bad, dysfunctional family. It takes actual work to make art projects pan out. I hate when women are on a Bukowski/Kurt Cobain trip. They usually have zero product to show for it. You are alr…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 01:13 PM
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It's bullshit to look cool: she checks this ten times an hour in the hope that a Chad with money will bite. He won't. She will filter through beta orbiters with "ok" jobs for the next year and pick a sucker. She's on there 24/7.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 01:10 PM
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I was a dipshit Chadlite as a kid and almost got into this mess with an 18 year old at 23: it's more likely that it was an actual short term, very hot and heavy relationship rather than a Pump/Dump. Maybe three-six months of heavy sex, but he was only it it for the sex and gunning for something better. She gets pregnant, he flips and leaves. He knows he still has options. This was how it almost played out for me. Highly unlikely that all of these are just one-two night pump and dumps. Most of th…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 01:03 PM
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Ex-Chad-lite here: 18-23 year old women are always in Chad loser phase. A few years older than she is. You can guarantee baby daddy was a good looking dude. They will be willing to keep the accident baby. She is now in beta provider mode. TBH she is still young enough to pull it off with the right moron.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 12:56 PM
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I dated a 19 year old escort when I was 26 and couldn't make it more than two weeks before I called it off. I have a friend who dated a stripper for years: it drove him insane. You have to be nuts to date women like this. Btw, both of these women were like this girl: mediocre, average women who just did sex work or changed into platform heels to transform into "sexy". The escort I dated was so mediocre that I couldn't believe men were paying to be with her. Live and learn. She dashed out of my a…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 12:53 PM
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Why do 30+ women swear by therapy? I'm getting this all the time from both single and married 30-36 year old friends. I was in therapy for years: it barely does any good. Why are they so obsessed with it? These quacks must play up to their deepest "you don't need no man" insecurities. Fortunes to be made in the future with this shit. And usually by "good therapist", they mean a feel good one who doesn't make you do shit. Not a pushy one who does CBT or something realistic.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 12:50 PM
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I'm on POF/Tinder at around this woman's age: this is for real what is out there. This site picks the edgiest and most comical, of course, but this is legit what is left after 30, 35 years old. Your best bet is going to be an obese 28, 29 year old career/worker girl with no kids. Ok face/baby face. That is best case scenario past 35. There is legit nothing left.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 12:47 PM
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In 2003, I was 23 years old and dating an 18 year old gothic Jewish virgin. She was gorgeous. I couldn't drink or smoke around her and we could only have oral sex. She went to bed about ten o'clock every night: she always wanted to stay in. No tats, clear skin, dressed to the nines every time she came over. And this is what is left at 41. The disparity is unreal.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 12:44 PM
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I know two kept guys (they both had to marry ugly obese women, though...) and it doesn't bother them a bit. In fact, they seemed to be excited the more these women kept on with the career. One totally dropped out of working by 39 and just sits at home. Men don't care about this: I would do it if the chick was "ok" looking and didn't bitch about it much.
/r/MGTOW14/04/21 09:00 PM
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They also played the "men are just SCARED of" card. Like men want them, but are just scared? Use the same situation for the 55 year old, bald fat guy. 18 year old women are just TOO SCARED of his prowess. It's insane how they think.
/r/MGTOW14/04/21 08:59 PM
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Nah, she believes it. Mirrors are deceptive and everyone thinks they just look "bad" in pics. Her self imagine, the one she carries in her mind, doesn't go past about 29 or 30. And back then, she was still getting attention. I posted in this earlier in this thread: SMV is the hardest thing to look square in the eye. For both men and women. And both sexes deny the wall.
/r/MGTOW14/04/21 08:57 PM
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Nobody, and I mean NOBODY wants to deal with the wall or take a serious look at their SMV. It's the most hard-hitting thing you can do, and can destroy your ego. If I am being honest, I think we in the Red Pill community overlook how bad men can hit the wall, too. Sure, a lot of money can keep you floating, but only a lot. I am an aging pretty boy who is not exactly wealthy and I can assure you my SMV with women went from REAL HIGH at around 25 to tanking from about 39 onward. And I took pretty …
/r/MGTOW14/04/21 08:56 PM
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I grew up in the "Sex and The City" generation. If the most hipster of hipster women watched that show. It didn't matter how close you guys were: she was moving off to Portland or NYC to seek out some glamorous life shortly after college. This was the fate of all the 35-37 year old women I know who did not have kids. There was no reason to stick around if you didn't have a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 07:09 PM
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I grew up dating very liberated, liberal women in the 2000's who all did the college/big city/career thing. I have like one ex who has a kid, and it was an accident. 80's kids didn't want to be stay at home moms like their mother was. They wanted to get out into the world. Having a kid used to just be a byproduct of wanting to have sex back in the day. Fifty percent of kids EVEN TODAY are unplanned. Either unwedded couple or "happy accident" (maybe?) by married couple. Or unmarried couple. Human…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 04:41 PM
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I sexually/romantically rejected two "ok" looking, prime age women when I was at my peak. The shitstorm aftermath was unreal to watch. Men are just taught to take it on the cheek and move on 30 seconds later. Yeah, young women DO NOT deal with rejection well. They just assume they will get their target. This isn't spoken about a lot on these forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 07:11 PM
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It's the times we live in more than you, man. I'm not even that good looking and hung out with dorks in the 2000's: it was rare to go six months without a mate or a GF. Everybody dated back then. I had a GF almost constantly through my twenties. My longest dry stretch was two years (27, 28); I remember that if felt like torture to go that long without a mate. And the only reason that happened was some legal issue stuff I was dealing with, so I didn't feel "with it" enough to date. Started dating…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 09:14 AM
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At Meet Ups? Really? I dunno, I guess that was never my thing. I didn't mean to knock it, it just seems odd. But if you are hot, anything goes when young. So it does make some sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 02:39 PM
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It's easier for a man (if he looks decent) to date into a social group that his GF already has then to make your own, though. Outside of being in bands, I've never been able to "create" a social group. The one time I tried, it was my best female friend in college and her three roommates. We would all drink at their place once or twice a week. I mean, it was cool, but it wasn't like we "created" anything. This stuff is hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 11:25 AM
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Lol, right? "Oh my God, girl, I got with this totally hot guy from my book club!" "Oh my God, there is the hottest guy in my hiking meet up!" Mind boggling that people still put this advice out there. JUST. GO. TO. A. BAR.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 11:21 AM
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I've never had a problem approaching an already established group of people at a bar and hitting on one of the female in the group who I assumed was single. This has gotten me most of my GF's. They were either with one friend or a group of friends. People were generally pretty welcoming. Not sure how else one could meet women in their 20's: ONLY approaching chicks who go to bars and clubs by themselves (rare)? ONLY dating girls who have no friends and stay in all the time (also rare, but I have …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 11:17 AM
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I'm 42 and not married due to emotional/mental problems. I struggle to keep a woman around for more than a year or two. It's very upsetting. The weird thing about me is that I was a Chad-type as a kid, so got tons of women and girlfriends for free or with little work. But now, in old age, I would rather be a beta buxx. I just don't have the buxx. I am a failure in almost every way. Most of the dudes and ladies I know my age who are not/have never been married also have deep issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:20 PM
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haha. I was 21 when I had that rig...that's like the rig of a 50 year old in an oldies band, haha. Man, it was something. Jesus! Fender Tube amps are VERY powerful when turned to ten with a drummer.
/r/MGTOW10/04/21 06:05 PM
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AF/BB, even though I was on the "winning" side of it. No one who I was making serious plans with as a kid was taking me seriously and I was basically just a "fling" in a series of flings women would go through until they hit about 30 and then settle down with a schlub who makes money. Manosphere is full of stereotypes and weird generalizations, but this is one I have to agree with 100%. Every chick I dated and every chick I knew (was in a band, so knew a lot of people) went through the artist/ba…
/r/MGTOW09/04/21 01:24 PM
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Social circle is very important in your 20's and late teens. If you hang out with dudes who don't get out much and don't know any girls, you probably won't meet any girls. If you hang out with pro-social guys who are out and about town all of the time, knowing people...you will meet people. I've hung out with both of these types of groups and the incel-level guys who either don't date or just date the lowest hanging fruit don't know women and won't get you near women. So it's important to get in…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 01:01 PM
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Yeah, it's reasonable to be pissed. He was almost baby trapped. No bueno!
/r/MGTOW09/04/21 09:33 AM
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Yeah, I was 21 when I had it. Used it in a rockabilly band with a cheap Danelectro U2 that I got for 90 bucks. Jesus, that set up could wail. Uggg...sold it for $500 bucks. So stupid.
/r/MGTOW08/04/21 05:03 PM
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Nice, hang on to it!
/r/MGTOW08/04/21 01:51 PM
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Guitar is the ultimate MGTOW hobby, IMO. That's a nice amp. I had a 65' Deluxe Reverb that I foolishly sold as a kid; haven't had a decent amp since. Man that thing KILLED and the surf/reverb sounds were out of this world.
/r/MGTOW08/04/21 12:46 PM
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I played in a band until 30 and did the get girls/get drunk thing from like 21-33. The thing with me is that I had a HORRIBLE teen and early adult life and didn't lose my virginity until 21, so I made a concerted effort to live the most rock star life possible on my limited budget. Like I went out of my way to be decadent and go out all the time, meet people. Long story short, I ended up in A.A. at 34. Did you miss much? I probably barely escaped getting a girl pregnant or dying in a drunk drivi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 11:10 AM
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As the late George Michael informed me via cable television when I was just a wee lad: "Sex is natural/Sex is fun/Sex is best when it's one on one." I think the man knew what he was talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 03:02 AM
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I've had two: they were both lame and gross. It's almost like humans were evolved to pair bond and have monogamous sex! What a concept!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 02:48 AM
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They got spat on if they made it home. My poor Uncle Jeff (who I got my middle name from) died at 20 by stepping on a fucking landmine the Vietcong had placed in a field. He didn't die on the spot, though...took a couple days. Just imagine. Fuck the U.S. government, they don't give a shit about men. RIP Uncle Jeff.
/r/MGTOW07/04/21 02:39 AM
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In my experience, the "wild days" of college are over by junior year. 21 and over women at my university always wanted to date or find a BF. My long term GF in college was 21. I think 18-20 is when people get the crazy out of their system. Could be wrong, just my theory. I was coupled up by junior year (was a bit older and back to school) and I noticed everybody else I knew was starting to get into a serious thing for the last year or two. Some remained together and are now married, haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 02:18 AM
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Best relationship I was in when I was in my 20's, we agreed to wait two weeks to hang out and see how shit worked out. We figured that was the "mature" thing to do. Ended up being a great relationship with amazing sex. God forbid you should have to wait 7-14 days to have sex with a woman who wants to date you! I had plenty (too many, really) of one night stands as a guy from 21-26ish, and I always felt like crap afterwards. It's like being tossed aside. I would way rather have a girl want to dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 02:14 AM
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I, a male, did the one night stand thing a lot from 21-26. The only decent, "wild and crazy" encounter I had was with a blonde: afterwards, we got into a big fight about Plan B. So it wasn't even worth it. I also had an awkward, shitty three way in a pool (and later in bed) that I guess was "ok" in the sense that I have a fun story to tell people. The best sex I have ever had was in committed relationships, where we could take time to mess around and explore what we both liked. Hooking up is usu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 02:07 AM
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Who knows what will happen? A lot of young guys have already dropped out of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 01:24 PM
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I'm not really young anymore, but the dating apps seemed to have done a number on the dating market for young men. A lot of guys are being left with nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 01:22 PM
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I was being hyperbolic, but it's certainly not normal for this many prime-of-life men to not be having sex or dating. I mean something is definitely "off" about the current society. Even my ugliest, weirdest friends had short term mates and girlfriends in the 2000's.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 11:21 AM
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Women want the fun of the unemployed Chad they dated as a kid mixed with the resource potential of a CEO. Basically, a hot dude who makes a ton of money but can also hang out all day and drive around. Dual mating strategy.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/04/21 11:05 AM
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Imagine "instantly" being ready to step up and parent a total stranger's kids (from another man) just upon seeing the mediocre Tinder profile of a 28 year old woman. Who's ready?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/04/21 10:58 AM
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I am only 41: I don't think I am mature enough to handle a woman like this. Gonna have to see at 50 if I have matured.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/04/21 10:54 AM
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There IS a Proverb about women like this, but it's not the Proverb I think she was hoping for....
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/04/21 10:53 AM
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2000's feminism and young women being able to make their own (albeit, very dumb) dating and mating decisions got me into the homes and pants of some very upper crust local women. I dated women in my youth who I would have been delivering milk to in the 1950's. It's a boon for some people. If you were the kind of guy who wanted to work himself up to be a provider and live out some 1950's "Leave it to Beaver" fantasy with a wife, house and two kids, then yes, feminism has sucked. It depends on how…
/r/MGTOW06/04/21 09:10 AM
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Man, I will tell you some funny shit: I was kind of a Chad loser as a kid, and at one point in my late 20's, I was on probation. As the stereotype goes: I also had a pretty hot blonde girlfriend. She had a really ugly, obese roommate. The ugly, obese roommate was dating some dorky military kid. One night, we were all watching a movie. Me, my hot girlfriend, GI Joe and his fat girlfriend. Suddenly the thought struck me: I'm on FUCKING PROBATION for a felony and I'm dating the hotter one of the gr…
/r/MGTOW06/04/21 07:42 AM
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Hard call for me: I'm not into the aspect of MGTOW that tells guys this age to "go monk", because I was a virgin at 19 and it was hell. I loved dating from 21-32ish and I had a great time. HOWEVER, I was pretty good looking, and this was in the 2000's. I don't really know what the climate is right now. I can say the two or three times I have interacted/been hit on by a woman his age in the last few years, I felt like I was on the verge of some #Me,Too shit, made casual chit chat and fled. I real…
/r/MGTOW06/04/21 07:37 AM
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Monogamy and the two parent family are both dying out right in front of us, man. Total collapse in the future without that stabilizing everything.
/r/MGTOW06/04/21 07:08 AM
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Correct: being online in the 90's was straight up incel behavior. Two of the nerdiest dudes at my high school (twins) made a proto "social media" page with their pictures and academic achievements. I guess it was meant for colleges. People mocked the hell out of them: the idea of going on the internet like that was considered absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 06:22 AM
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There is good evo psych/psychology that points to the fact that more options is BAD for human beings. In any context. We are tribal people and we selected our partners from a small pool of age and sex appropriate people out of a group of like 150 folks. Information overload is a thing. We are being bombarded with too much stuff, both in the dating world and in our news media. It fries your brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 06:20 AM
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This is correct: when I started dating in 2001, my GF, who was VERY popular, had maybe 10-20 guys interested in her. Probably more like ten. You just had to stand out among a very small group of local dudes in your scene. Same with the girlfriend I dated after that. There was way, way way less competition. Women have always favored good looking men, but they didn't have the digital buffet of options that today's empowered female does. And you are right about the privacy of one's own home: having…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 06:17 AM
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Nah, it's a downhill slide. And they will have zero memories to cope with as they age. Btw between my initial post and this reply, I have since talked to YET ANOTHER 21 year old virgin on my chat site. It's incredible.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 06:12 AM
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I've dated some chubbier women and I have had very obese female friends: I don't get the hostility. There is this weird "thing" people have nowadays where they "hate" people that they simply would not date. It's silly. I more than likely would not date a Muslim woman or a 70 year old grandmother, but that doesn't mean I hate Muslim women or 70 year olds. I think it just reflects a really war-zone like dating atmosphere and a wish that every person you encounter fits your dating criteria so that …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 04:04 AM
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I think young men 20-29 live in some dystopian nightmare right now. I can't imagine being 23 or 26 years old and not having sex. Not getting drunk with my girlfriend. Not riding around town with my girlfriend at one in the morning. These things are the substance of a well lived youth, and some of the only comforting thoughts you have to look back on when you reach the hell of middle age. I go on a chat sat at night and talk to guys 21, 25 and even 29 all the time who are still virgins. This is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 03:09 AM
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Yeah, the initial message of Red Pill stuff was coming from divorced guys telling younger guys who had dated some to watch out for marriage/kids. There was no PUA scam involved. Coach Greg Adams and Sandman, etc don't push dating stuff at all. They push giving up. Red Pill is good content for people who have been divorced or almost married. As far as these PUA guys: what do you expect? Richard Cooper is not going to date a college girl. All that is left at that age are single moms, it's just the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 05:22 AM
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I dated a 19 year old escort when I was in college: it lasted about two weeks. Short emo girl. Sounds horrible to say, but she was one of the most mediocre looking women I ever dated. I couldn't believe other, older men were paying to have sex with her. I dumped her after two weeks because we kept running into dudes she had stripped for or slept with. Not for me. My friend dated a stripper/sex worker for years and said it was hell on his ego. You gotta be rock solid and pretty open minded to dat…
/r/MGTOW05/04/21 04:36 AM
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I was misled by mid 90's alternative culture into thinking girls liked glasses and the nerd/Weezer/Milo Aukerman look. They don't. They like Rivers. They don't like some average dude trying to pull that look off. Huge mistake. My teen years were horrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 10:50 AM
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You say that now. I was told similar things in my pretty boy, piss poor heyday and they all went on to a ugly dudes with money. Youth is a hell of a drug, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 08:05 AM
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Yeah, I think when most men fantasize about this, it's some sort of 50's/early 60's pre-counter culture dream. It's an outdated dream. The reality is: most of the married-with-kids men I know are miserable. We live in a fucked up world, man.
/r/MGTOW04/04/21 06:59 AM
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To be fair, a lot of the liberal women I dated have done the college/career/no baby path, and they seem happy. Snag a mate in their 30's. I don't know if I totally buy this "women will never be fulfilled with no baby" bullshit based on the kind of women I dated as a kid. Totally anti-natalist. Also, they don't have to be cat ladies: most of my ex's have a mate. For a certain kind of weird, liberal girl, I don't think this life is bad. I know I will get attacked for this, but it's true. At least …
/r/MGTOW04/04/21 06:23 AM
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Yeah, I know, right? So easy. Just make that million, You are set.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 05:23 AM
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I was raised in a pretty middle class, good and strict environment with a lawyer for a dad and a doting mother. Still turned into an alcoholic, whoremongering fuck up in my 20's. If anything, a good upbringing PUSHES you to go nuts when you are a young adult. I noticed this a lot with rich girls from good families I dated as a kid. It's almost a recipe for the kid to fuck up. He probably tried his best, IMO. Young people like to rebel and can't be controlled. Plus she knows she has him as a safe…
/r/MGTOW04/04/21 03:34 AM
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At 41, I sometimes daydream about the wife/kids, shit, not going to lie. Especially with some good looking ex's. But it's all fantasy: she still looks great after the kid, the kid is like exactly the right age to be fun, I am just laying in bed with my wife and my kid. Real life is not like that: it's very chaotic. That's the weird thing about dating and mating: all this slow, peaceful romantic shit happens. Like holding hands under the stars or whatever. Quiet night. Then BAM! You have a scream…
/r/MGTOW04/04/21 03:30 AM
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Nah, not blasphemy. I had a smoking hot girl I dated when she was 24-26 who I would have been set with. Really quiet, hot girl who lived with her parents. Mental issues and on SSI. She just wanted a guy to get a place with and get married, didn't want kids. Would have stayed home and taken care of the place (probably cheated, too, who knows?). Real 1950's throw back girl. Still hot ten years later, still living at home looking for a guy to just take her in. Really quiet, boring crazy girl, but s…
/r/MGTOW04/04/21 03:23 AM
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If you very easily picked up a chick at a bar or through your social group and she wants to have sex within the first night/few days of meeting you, assume you are not a special or "super hot" dude. Assume she does this with every new guy who comes into the fold. That is my experience. Also, pass if you think she has an STD, man.
/r/MGTOW04/04/21 03:08 AM
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Yeah I was the "older" guy as a kid. This means an 18 year old dated me at 22, a 26 year old dated me at 31, etc. It doesn't mean 18 year old women wanna fuck 45 year old men. I'm 42 and wish this was true, but it's a red pill fantasy. This is why you are supposed to mate with with women WHEN YOU ARE YOUNG, like four years older than they are. Not wait until you are 40. I think this is a revenge fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 11:52 PM
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I had a "peak" out of high school nerdiness at 21 where I got a ton of women. And another "peak" around 30, where I looked more manly, and was in more serious LTRs with some of the hotter women I ever dated. So yeah, there are many glow ups, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 11:49 PM
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AF/BB at work here.
/r/MGTOW03/04/21 11:27 PM
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Correct: if it's a daughter with ANY guy, def. chance of offspring. However, if it DOES end up being a son...son with sexy guy has a better shot at continuing through the gene pool. Weirdly, I think this idea dates back to the early 1900's, so it's been around awhile.
/r/MGTOW03/04/21 09:05 AM
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I think the deal here is that most women could fuck a guy, but would rather stay in, watch something on the computer and vibe out. Ie, lazy but could get some if they wanted to put in the effort. Whereas most guys who use this shit can't get laid. I think this is the disparity you see between toys for girls vs. for boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 04:03 AM
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"Dear God, how the fuck did my life come to this?" He could have married a tradcon woman and had the perfect family life. I feel for that dude.
/r/MGTOW02/04/21 05:28 AM
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You should watch a highlight real or a MGTOW commentary. He tries to play it super cool and liberal like all is well. Nodding his head and shit.
/r/MGTOW02/04/21 03:37 AM
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I dunno, but most men follow a Madonna/whore paradigm, where some women are seen as only women to sleep with and some are seen as relationship material/a goddess/a mother. Both cases result in a baby, though. No idea if this is bio programming or culture. Good question.
/r/MGTOW02/04/21 12:01 AM
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Most good evo psychology books of the last 10 years or so confirm AF/BB. I believe that originally it was called the "Sexy Sons Hypothesis" to explain why low resource men who look good can still score women. Oddly, I googled the guy who came up with this theory in the early 1930's: he looks like a dorky Chadlite. One of the better looking evo psych people I have seen. Too lazy to google it but you can find out.
/r/MGTOW01/04/21 11:57 PM
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I've always though the problem with this family was that 1.) the wife is upset she isn't as famous as Will is (she is basically famous for being a wife) and 2.) the children tried to grab onto dad's coattails in some futuristic SJW 2020's way, but failed. I think fame and narcissism is what drives this family. You could tell the young ones were going to try to get famous as soon as they started making those weird spiritual "tweets" as teens that went viral. But no one is biting and Will will alw…
/r/MGTOW01/04/21 11:53 PM
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She admits right on camera to Will Smith why she cheated, he sort of nods his head in an understanding way. It's a totally cucked attempt to be "adults" about the cheating. She calls it an "entanglement". It's ridiculous to watch and it's absurd that they aired their dirty laundry on prime time.
/r/MGTOW01/04/21 11:51 PM
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yeah, enthusiasm is huge. Even if she just seems really interested in talking to you. Eye contact, listening to what you have to say...both sexes like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 10:14 AM
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I had a female friend (who wanted to fuck me) who told me I was "boring" once. That shit cut to my core. I had another girlfriend who told me I was "mysterious", which is a good thing, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 10:12 AM
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A youthful, lust driven relationship with no love from one or either party is completely doomed and a bad, bad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 10:09 AM
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Not at all, they were go-getter, hard working women. I'm just pointing out the in the last 20 years, being unshackled from the husband/kids thing and doing the college/work thing has been a huge boon to the women I knew. This has been a golden era for women for awhile now.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 06:27 AM
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I started dating in 2001, which was sort of the prototype era for the college/career/get married at 80 female lifestyle. I can honestly say ALL of the women I have dated have far surpassed me in life. Most went on to good jobs in big cities, married at like 36. Women have had it pretty good for at least twenty years now.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 04:51 AM
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Human beings are lazy and it capitalized on human laziness. I dated a ton in my 20's and it took going out and working a crowd to find girlfriends for 12-24 months. It's much easier to just rot online in hopes of finding "the one". Pro tip: there is no "one".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 09:38 PM
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This is a good point. I see this to a certain extent in church and 12 step groups I am in.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 04:49 AM
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'The Dead" by James Joyce is like this. One of his great stories. Local big wig beta bucks politician has a wife. In the end of the story, he realizes she is still in love with a Chad she dated at 18 who died. Women are just like this. AF/BB, man. A Salinger short story ("Uncle Wigley in Connecticut") is also about the same thing: she's married to an army big wig in a steady household, but sobs over a loser she dated who died in the war. Very common theme.
/r/MGTOW31/03/21 03:32 AM
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Yeah, it sucks. I have a big heart for all of the older women who work at my local Walgreen's or whatever store. Some are 40 year old women who have obviously not dated much, some are older women, single mom. I think one woman out of the whole bunch is in a stable marriage with a man of means. It sucks, women (and men) totally get rejected by society after a certain point. For men, they can avoid this by being rich, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 03:14 AM
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btw, there is a whole discussion in most good evo psychology books about how crime and risk taking is usually done by young men for mating value. Ie, taking someone else's resources. Drug dealing, etc. There are many slightly risky, low level ways to improve social status like this. And they are much easier options than college/career.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 03:11 AM
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Yeah, it's all mating bullshit. Joining the army or becoming a cop is a way to increase your market value. I sort of scoff at the idea that 18-24 year old men do any of this stuff for any other reason than the way for mating and status. I was in a band for YEARS that sucked. Just sucked. The other guys in the band were horrible. But I knew it gave me social status, and it worked to help get me laid. It all comes down to sex in youth, IMO. I dunno how altruistic young men who sign up for this stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 03:10 AM
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Right, but this is only seen as valuable for women for a short time. I live in a neighborhood with tons of older women who work low end jobs: they are basically invisible. Some are stressed out single moms. Many have health issues, etc. Women are only seen as valuable for a short time, really. After that, they seem to fade away. At least where I live and among the women I have seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 03:04 AM
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You bring up what I feel is kind of the rub of being a woman, though: intense, intense child care. And having to deal with that person way into adulthood and do way more work than the man these days. Also, and I'm not saying this to be a dick, because both sexes hit "the wall", but there are tons of invisible, piss poor single moms out there. Or older women just getting by in life. I see this all the time in my area. Being a young girl must be amazing, but it's not a perfect life. Both sexes hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 03:02 AM
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You have to prove that you aren't a threat to a new social group while also trying to act "alpha" to impress whatever chick in the group you like. Or show that you would make a good mate. I don't miss being young and having to impress people like this. Way too complicated. Every girlfriend you get, you have to be vetted by her little social group. Sucks. Men don't care if other men don't like the women they date.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 02:51 AM
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If some of these young dudes even get to betabuxx at 30, that is. The would presume spending your 20's slaving away, which most young guys who don't get women just do vidya/NEET all day. And a lot of the younger dudes who aren't getting anything in the prime of their lives are waking up to the fact that they only way they have "in" is later in life. And a lot will probably drop out by that point. It looks grim.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 11:23 AM
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The Prodigal son did indeed waste his substance on riotous living; ask me for details. Furthermore: "A whore is a deep ditch/and a strange woman is a narrow pit."
/r/MGTOW29/03/21 09:06 AM
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15 can be done in a week or two, no shit. My FWB in college (this was when Facebook first hit, and people were using it to hook up) admitted to blowing almost ten guys during one or two weeks on that site. 15-20, easy peesy. Within the first year, maybe that first semester. Has been that way since I can remember.
/r/MGTOW29/03/21 06:41 AM
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I didn't mean to shit on fat women by that post: I just got out of a relationship with a heavier woman and she was amazing. So yeah, it's normal to overlook looks for personality with age. It's COMPLETELY normal to date single moms, as after a certain age, that is what is "out there". It's just weird that they turn around and "warn" young men not to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 03:28 AM
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I think this best sums the whole thing up, yes. Good post!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 03:06 AM
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Dating fat women and single moms is normal if you reach a certain age and have a low SMV. It's the fact that they then turn around and shit on the very people they end up dating that sucks. Richard Cooper is a classic example: he has dozens of videos bashing on single moms. Yet has dated them. Which is NORMAL, because the dude is a dad, himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 02:58 AM
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Yeah I mean it's hard to tell. Couples like this always present as perfect on Instagram, so I'm always assuming the dude is being treated like gold. Big smiles and shit. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors? I've never been a resource provider for a chick, so I can't comment. Just know what I see on Instagram.
/r/MGTOW29/03/21 01:25 AM
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You think they get walked on, you mean? I've never been dated for resources, so was treated pretty well by my mates. You think they get no respect you mean? It's hard to tell: couples like this are always smiling in pictures. I always assume when I see an ex with a guy like this they get along great. Who knows?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 01:24 AM
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Me jelly. Good stack, dude. Surely you mail-order from Apmex or Gainesville? Or you you lucky enough to find this stuff locally? I can't get bars this big near me. Just coins.
/r/MGTOW229/03/21 12:22 AM
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I don't know why Beta Bucks get shit on so much. He's the one building a life with her in their 30's or beyond. Chads are just kind of left to rot later in life. BB isn't such a bad deal, maybe it sucks in youth, though. But who cares at 35? He's getting what he wants in the end. Too many people shit on this tradcon type of dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 10:48 PM
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Depends, if you dig into aging hipsters (primarily what I dated in youth), they are fine to settle for an oofy doofy guy at 31-35. Travel, craft beer outings, building a life together, etc. Both fat and smiling on Instagram in front of a bar in Portland. If you look more into mainstream chicks (the kind who dated Jock chad in youth), then yeah, you will find your cat ladies. Depends on what kind of ego they have. I know one chick from youth who won't settle past 6/6/6. These are the cat lady mem…
/r/MGTOW28/03/21 10:01 PM
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Not the BB, just the "fun" guy from youth. I was like this with all the women I dated as a kid. Oofy doofy guy wins out late 20's/early 30's. He's the one she moves in with in the end. In a way, oofy doofy is king? Depends on how you spin it, but he didn't get her at 21, for sure.
/r/MGTOW28/03/21 09:58 PM
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That's what I am saying: some self improvement or whatever can rocket you up. Dress better, good haircut, contacts, work out, whatever. I agree with it TO A CERTAIN POINT, but oofy doofy guys get GF's all the time. So it can't be a hard law. Just a generalization. Good looking guys certainly do better at dating, I think we can all agree on that. There is an advantage. But it's not IMPOSSIBLE for other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 09:20 PM
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I've always though the Red Pill idea that young women want an "alpha" to be kind of ridiculous, but I do sort of agree with The Black Pill guys that they have a looks threshold. Which if you don't meet, you get no love. I dunno if it is as high as people make it out to be. Sensitive dudes, band dudes, artists, etc all get women in youth and they are hardly "alpha". But probably cute? Could be wrong, just my take.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 05:33 AM
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Best GF I ever had just lived at home and was on SSI. She dressed to the nines, though, and treated me well. No, nobody gives a shit about this stuff.
/r/MGTOW28/03/21 12:24 AM
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I was foolish enough to get an idiot degree in my 20's due to parental pressure; however, you would be amazed how many of these women DID NOT EVEN FINISH THE DEGREE. 30-50k in debt for an English degree or whatnot that they are still a semester or two away from getting. Many I know caught on to the idea of "transferring" a lot, so going to uni was just an excuse to move to Portland, NYC, etc. I know women who have moved all over like this to get a lib arts degree. Insanity. Now at 35 or whatnot,…
/r/MGTOW28/03/21 12:23 AM
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There is your ideal and there is what is actually going to happen to you in your 20's. You might also find that what happens to you as a kid is far from your ideal, but turns out to be amazing. Ideally for the long term, though, you want stability I guess. That's what most people would say. And exclusivity (although this poly thing is getting bigger and bigger).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 06:48 AM
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I went from a small town of 40,000 in the Midwest (in the middle of nowhere) to a huge metropolis of three million people. My dating life skyrocketed after that and some looksmaxx stuff. Had I been stuck in my small town, I probably would have married the first woman who showed interest in me. In my experience, 100 guys are all ganged up over the same girl in a town like this. From the female perspective, you will be a HUGE fish in a small pond, though. So it depends on your sex. For a dude, I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 06:42 AM
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I've dated women who wore flip flops and no make up and I have dated full on "goth" fashion queens who dressed like Betty Page. Dressing up is nice to a point, but it doesn't make a big difference upon reflection. The two women I miss the most were kind of plain (but cute) hipster girls who didn't get all dolled up. They were just fun and had big hearts. So yeah, it makes a difference, but not a huge one. No man will complain about it, that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 06:38 AM
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I wouldn't want a woman around for just my money, no. I will say I got two of my best LTR's from 29-33ish, so maybe your cousin still has time? He twenties are only halfway over with. I dunno. Hard to tell these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 03:12 AM
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I dunno, I did ok with women as a kid, but I noticed switching to well fitting and kind of cool dress shirts did a lot as far as women taking me more seriously. I used to shop at Express for men. Maybe that place is outdated and boomer now. Nice, well fitted black dress shirt always looks good. Ditch glasses and go for contacts. I wore crappy black t-shirts before this. Style, yes, I think it matters! Maybe not if you are butt ugly, though. Tough out there for the young men!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 09:20 PM
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I dunno, but the "spark" shit started to die off for me around 34ish? It's like "here we go, another person.". I dunno, can't speak for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 08:12 PM
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A 5/10 with a good personality is a 10/10 in the eyes of a poet. And vodka helps!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 02:14 AM
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I loved a woman enough earlier in life that I probably would have stayed with her even if she was a quadriplegic. Easy for me to say years later when I am not around her, though. Probably would not be a big deal for me, but I am old AF.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 02:13 AM
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I knew a ton of sluts in the 2000's indie rock days and one of them was a close friend. Awesome person, she just liked to sleep around. Would I date her? No. Do I care that she was a slut? Also, nope. Some of the coolest people I have ever met in my life were very slutty people. It's up to you if you want to fall for one, but I don't think we should shame young women for their sexual choices. The 1955 fantasy of marrying a virgin should be dead to any sane, young adult man at this point, anyways…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 01:51 AM
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I think this constant categorizing of people by sexual market value is kind of shitty and crazy, to be honest. I mean yes, it's a real thing. But people are more than this, IMO. I am somewhat spiritual/religious, so I hate to see people boxed in like this. And btw, I was a total "Chad" as a kid who has turned into LRV due to issues in middle age. I've dated way up into the stars and I have dated way down into the bottom 20% of people in my lifetime. All over the place. People are people. Some pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 01:44 AM
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Big money grab, the pills are huge right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 11:39 PM
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They are selling a fantasy to 20-something men who don't do well with women at this current moment, IMO. "It will get better with time". It won't. Dudes who do well with women in youth don't even think about this shit. The only thing I followed online in my 20's was hipster trends and new music to stay "cool". My guess is that the younger guys who look up to them don't do that well in the first place. Could be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 11:15 PM
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Yeah, I agree. People are in a rush and trying to do shit. It's not a laid back environment, the woman is trying to get something done. This is why the college campus, itself, was always a no-go for me as a kid. The girl is walking to class and probably stressed out. No bueno. Bar, club, party etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 09:17 PM
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Yeah it was crazy to see how this played out in 2021. Btw, this dude has been up to behavior like this for years and I've never seen it blow up in his face like this. Chicks would just shrug him off or make fun of him to their friends. So the whole zeitgeist we are living in is changing: this shit is now taken very seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 08:54 PM
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It was the weirdest situation like this I have ever seen play out. Like I said, his rep was ruined. The FB post was enough to destroy him, but the court thing was mind blowing. He is a really cocky guy and went in thinking he would get out of it. Black female judge: five years, no contact or jail. He is an idiot and always has been a creeper, but it was like...wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 08:42 PM
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To further clarify: she is a 27 year old local wanna be musician/folk singer who does little bars and coffee shops around here. His attack on Facebook was about her musical style being shitty (he plays music, too) and calling her a whore or what not. The attack on the music I think set her off. It was amazing to sit back and watch. His reputation around here is doomed. 100's of men she knows chimed in calling him a creep and attacking him in the comment section. I think it ended up with 150 comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 08:36 PM
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I was a Chadlite hipster as a kid and always had a high-tier Becky girlfriend. Two goth girls who I guess I would consider a "Stacy" due to Big Tiddy Goth GF/Betty Page aura. I was pretty looksmatched, if you want to use these terms. I never dated anyone who wasn't "cute" when I was a kid. But I also never dated like, a cheerleader. Also socially matched: goth girls, punker girls, alternative/hipster/craft beer type folk. Subculture matched, I guess you could say. I can't complain?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 08:29 PM
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Socialcirlemax is still cold approach, IMO. Or do you consider that a "warm" lead? For example, a friend and his GF brought their female friend over to my house once to hang out. I didn't speak a word to her, but later got her number and cold called her. She came over and we started dating. Is this not still cold approach? Or do you say this is "warm" because we had a friend in common?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 08:20 PM
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If you are looking decent and dressed ok, bar is a totally acceptable place to hit on a woman. It's when you do it when she is at work or shopping when it gets weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 08:10 PM
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I have a creeper friend who hit on some girl he bugs on Facebook when he saw her in a grocery store near his house. He later went ballastic in PM on Facebook towards her when she rejected his advances. "Whore" and whanot. She ended up posting the screen shot on Facebook for about 500 of her followers and then got a restraining order on him. He had to go to court in front of a female judge and now has a five year order to never be near her. And everyone in my area saw the post and now hates him. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 08:07 PM
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The campus thing has been a bad idea for years. I went to a major state uni/party college which I lived right next to and I hit on ONE woman in a campus environment. She was asking me for directions, was giving me obvious "signs" or whatever, and I got the number. We hooked up later that night. The correct place for cold approach in a college town, IMO, is a get together, a party or hitting the strip of clubs/bars. I get it, too. I can remember many a day where I was wandering to class with eith…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 07:58 PM
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You mean bar, party or get together? Yeah. I think when it comes down to the grocery store or the gas station, as man, you are pushing boundaries. There isn't a reasonable expectation of being cold approached. I've noticed in my area (very walkable with a lot of stores), the younger women who work at say, Walgreens or Dollar General at the register get hit on. I have a friend who does this: he will even hit on girls in drive throughs. Me thinks this is a bad, bad idea. She's trying to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 07:50 PM
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I would have my kid FAR away from Red Pill or MGTOW or Incel stuff. This stuff was meant for 35+ dudes who have already been through the dating wringer and were (I thought) jokingly cracking jokes about bad experiences. I initially thought it was just hyperbole. No 18, 19 or even 24 year old kid who is struggling with women belongs on these sites. I discovered MGTOW stuff after a failed fiancé/almost marriage thing around 34ish, and just thought it was a relief to hear bad marriage stories and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 07:26 PM
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People lie, fake and pretend the first six months you know them, anyways. So doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 12:56 AM
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First Corinthians clearly states that the ideal place for a believer is unmarried and child free. "Abide like me." Marriage and kids were meant for people who "burned with a passion" and even then, they would have "trouble in the flesh.". Despite what Rick Warren or whoever wants to tell you, Christianity is not some huge family values religion where everyone is expected to have 2.5 kids. It's probably more in line with Guy #1, although abstinent instead of hooking up and using his spare time to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 11:38 PM
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I'm currently dealing with chronic pain: if you are unlucky, you will end up with horrible fucking pain way before you die. I'm hoping to climb out of this back issue and LIVE A FUCKING LIFE. Not take care of brats. This scenario always assumes you had a stable, middle class life with a wife who never left you and your worst days are your final days. I'm thankful if that was the life you lived, but it doesn't work out that way for most. And you can always just kill yourself before it gets THAT b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 11:34 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 10:14 PM
1

Damn, I have been carrying a 1 in 10 false stat in my head since the 90's. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 04:09 AM
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Not sure: isn't ten percent of the population gay? But it's hard to figure this out, because on top of that, many gays made for appearances back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 10:07 PM
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Could be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 08:54 PM
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Yes probably very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 08:42 PM
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Yes, true. Depends on how the guy handles it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 08:26 PM
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Or you look good, but you are severely mentally ill. And they can sense it right away. Most chicks will mess around a bit and then pass after in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 08:06 PM
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This is my jam, too. I love these women. I have no intentions of getting married or having kids (I have mental problems), but a year with a really free spirited woman can be amazing. Just might not end up with her long term. I also enjoy these women as friends. They are interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 07:56 PM
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I was in a hipster crowd in the 2000's and exclusively dated women on this path. Had the time of my life. You aren't going to find a tradcon wife when you date a goth girl who wants to move to Portland in a few years, but you will have a great relationship and meet an awesome person. I am proud of my ex's for moving to places like NYC after they finished college and getting cool careers. Call me a blue pilled simp. Some of the coolest people I ever met in my life. I just wasn't going along for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 07:47 PM
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One of my old friends just had a kid to "fix" the marriage. Wife's idea. Not working out too well. Kid is two now.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 07:01 PM
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Good insight, very true. But don't you think there might have been an uptick after the Boomers and hippies? Could be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 07:00 PM
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In the 1950's, I believe 64-67 percent of people were married. So 30% of people either couldn't find (or didn't want) a partner. Obviously, closeted homosexuality plays a role in this, but even then, some were too inept or whatnot to find a partner after WW2. I used to work for a 90-something year old WW2 vet who was basically a bachelor/MGTOW back then. Never married, no kids. Just a weird stat I was never aware of. I agree with your premise, though. It's a jungle and you have to know how to na…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 05:45 PM
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Contraception 100%, yeah. I was on the winning side of the genetic lottery as a kid and dated hot women all through my 20's, some from rich families. In a natural world, I would have about five or six kids now. Contraception fucks with things and I also think it messes with women's minds: her brain can't comprehend why she isn't getting pregnant after a year of sex and subconsciously thinks your sperm isn't motile. Just my caveman guess. But yes, birth control changed things 100%. For most of hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 04:59 PM
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By the 80's, they were still raising their kids, a lot were voting Reagan and a lot of the (smart ones) ended up either N.A. or A.A. 80's A.A. culture was at it's peak and most of the outside literature you still read about addiction comes from the 80's, because so many Boomer parents were finally getting sober in middle age. The drug culture and the sexual revolution brought a lot of bad shit into suburban USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 04:54 PM
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Both of my Boomer parents were free wheeling hippies in the 60's who had kids outside of marriage real young, 19-22. So in that sense, it was a disaster that led to a lot of shot gun wedding situations and bad divorces later on. In the sense that you could get laid outside of marital union, it was a huge success. Probably sucked really bad for unattractive folks, though. Just like today.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 04:50 PM
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I have to agree with this: I think the initial push on college campuses (from footage I have seen) was just that young COUPLES wanted to have sex outside of marriage. Ie, going against religious norms. The hippie shit got pushed to the far, far left later on and became the communal, "free love" shit people think about. First wave of hippie shit took place on campuses and was just young couples from conservative backgrounds wanted to make love before marriage. At least that is my understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 04:45 PM
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I think a lot of tech geeks (who lean a little hippie) also might have thought this about social media and online dating? I know conspiracy nuts/incels think it was all planned, but I think it was more of a case of forward thinking nerds who guessed that "maybe she would be into me if she got to know me." Like, I don't think they realized they were just creating a feeding frenzy for the top 20% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 04:41 PM
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More just to escape my home, with the added benefit that I might hook up with a drunkard (and risk my life drunk driving in the process). The bar/pub became the celebrated "third place" away from home/school and work where I could just go to relax. This was particularly true in college: I noticed people out at the bars were more there to blow off steam on a Friday night than to hook up, per say. But I think the social aspect of bars and the "maybe" factor is always a huge pull for drawing crowds…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 02:56 PM
1

I'm an introvert who could fake being an extrovert while drunk at bars and parties. So I always dated very extroverted alcoholic women with big friend groups. Was fun. Outgoing people can kind of get you out of your shell. But introvert-on-introvert can be nice, too. More staying in. Or let me put it to you like this: if it has a vagina, I'm probably game.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 03:01 AM
1

haha thanks, I just tell what I know. I had the pleasure of being an idiotic pretty boy in my youth and saw and learned many things about females.
/r/MGTOW19/03/21 12:49 AM
2

Well I almost married this gorgeous goth girl, 25, when I was about 33. But my drinking killed that off. And then I started getting really into writing. I am a genius at pursuing stuff that results in zero economic advancement.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 12:48 AM
1

I am only 5 9', not too hot. So at five feet tall I feel like a lumberjack cave protector.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 12:46 AM
3

Yeah...nice guys, too. I knew one of them. Solid guy, hard worker. He said she was impossible to live with, even with not having to work and just being home all day, no kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 12:36 AM
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Nah, I fucked around playing in a band until I was 30. If I could do it all over, I would. But my point still stands: a nerdy beta guy is that bad off if he has a wife, family, etc. Mark Zuckerberg is probably a very happy guy!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 12:34 AM
1

It makes sense. I've always found if the parents are still together, my relationship lasts longer. Her parents, I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 11:50 PM
1

My understanding was that Jagger and Richards were more LTR guys, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 10:28 PM
1

I think guys 20-26 just want to hook up a lot, rather than find a soul mate or whatnot. It's a vapid, fleeting lifestyle. That stable guy doesn't get enough credit, IMO. Ok, she didn't marry the hottest guy she ever slept with, but they are together and doing shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 08:29 PM
1

That's crazy, but does make weird sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 08:27 PM
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For women 18-25, it's totally looks. Mixed with hopefully being "fun". I have no other explanation but The Black Pill for my success with women in my 20's, because I was a piss poor mental case. Long term past thirty though, it's a beta buxx game, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 08:00 PM
1

I got contacts when I was 21. Wore huge Weezer glasses in an ill-fated attempt to be "cool" before that. 100% dramatic change. Had a girlfriend a few months later. Ended up dating my ass off in my 20's. I also went from plain black t-shirts to nice, well fitted dress shirts around 26, and I noticed a big improvement with that, too. Women seemed to take me more seriously when I didn't look like I was in a shitty punk band.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 07:56 PM
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Yeah, but the stupid arrogance has to come as a total package along with good looks in order for it to work out. I have a completely arrogant, but extremely unattractive friend (he looks like a bug) who never got shit from women. Women would make fun of him behind his back. He has a huge ego because he is a good drummer. I think women only want the arrogance from a hot guy...otherwise you are a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 07:45 PM
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I was good looking but wore huge glasses as a kid: as soon as I got contacts when I was in community college, I got a girlfriend. While with her, a lot of her friends would hit on me. Within a year of dating this girl, I had massive confidence. Ended up having a great dating and sex life all through my 20's. So yeah, it's a feedback loop: if you do well at something, you will gain confidence. If you constantly get rejected, it's going to be very hard to have confidence. Unfortunately, in the dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 07:43 PM
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I was a party idiot pretty boy as a kid: many of my relationships just started off as good one night stands, where the girl actually called my number off the napkin the next day (ye olden 2000's). I think men who sleep around in youth don't care so much if the women they date have also slept around. It's kind of like "we are all doing this". I think the men who care about it the most are men who don't really get laid. I've been in LTRs with a couple of high N women in my youth: they were a blast…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 06:57 PM
1

I fucked around with and knew a bunch of super loose women when I was in a band as a kid. I don't say this to judge them: I hooked up with them and don't care. HOWEVER, I have noticed a weird trend among aging hipster women who used to be CC riders: they all get librarian glasses. They all switch to librarian glasses and this kind of "nerdy" thing around 30 and they all found husbands. Some even as single moms. Mind blowing how many women I know who did this. The theory is that they do this to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 06:54 PM
2

Brian Jones was the true Chad of the Rolling Stones. My theory has always been that Mick and Keith kicked him out due to getting more attention rather than due to the fact that he had a drug problem. They replaced him with much, much uglier dudes after he left.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 06:48 PM
3

I met Obama once during his first campaign: the dude is jacked and much better looking in person. Super intimidating and quite tall. I don't know why he isn't considered a Tyrone, the dude was dripping with charisma when I shook his hand. Btw this was during an event at a restaurant that was filled with mostly middle aged black women and they were shitting their pants.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 06:44 PM
1

We are talking BIG bucks to get women, though. I have an ugly friend who never did well with women. He has recently "arrived" into a solid middle class: house near downtown, ok new car. Hasn't done shit for him. The only people who hang out are other dudes who want to leach off his weed and watch his big screen TV. We are talking...yes...boats...rich people shit. Middle class money I don't think does much these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 06:36 PM
2

Zuckerberg is a happily married rich guy with two or more kids. I think the beta bucks dude gets a shitty shake on the Pill forums: I was a Leo as a kid who got laid all the time despite being poor and it kind of sucks. You don't end up with a wife/kids long term. Zuckerberg is probably in his backyard pushing his kid on a swing right now, knowing he has beyond enough money to support his family. I'm middle aged and post on Reddit forums about women I fucked a million years ago. Is BB REALLY the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 06:34 PM
5

I know a super hot hipster girl who would bounce from $60,00-70 a year BB to BB. She was smart enough to look for the long game really early (she was doing this before 24), but would always move out of some dorky looking guy's house and bitch about how she wanted someone who could provide more. Total set ups: dudes had a house, good job and wanted a family. She passed every time. Currently a Portland cat lady at 35. Never heard her say a decent thing about any of these men, and she was set up to…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 06:31 PM
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Hot and broke will get you tons of passion and sex from 18-25 year old women, but they don't take anyone seriously later in life who isn't financially secure and at least ready to buy a home together. I was a legit Leo as a kid: you aren't getting shit in the long run if you are broke. You'll pull 12-24 months as a practice boyfriend and for good sex, but she's always got her eyes out for money. I've never dated a woman who didn't operate by the AF/BB principle. Few hot women live in a shitty ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 06:26 PM
3

Jagger was a Chad in the 60's, albeit and odd looking one. I don't think he is a case of JUST being famous...he had fame and sex appeal. I don't think he was ugly, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 06:18 PM
1

Makes a lot of sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 08:28 PM
3

I friend zoned my first good female friend after going back to college in my mid-20's. I was very arrogant and thought I could do better. But I wanted to keep her around as a drinking buddy, because I was older and didn't have a lot of friends. I ended up with an alcoholic 21 year old after her. I sometimes watch the girl I passed on's old youtube videos: she was perfectly hot. Really busty, too. I don't know what I was thinking. Youth is wasted on the young. It ended up being a really big deal …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 05:02 PM
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Yeah, I have read that, too. I think it's because women value resources/provision, so if you are emotionally cheating, this is not good. You might give your resources to the other woman. Men value the act, itself, due to paternity uncertainty.
/r/MGTOW17/03/21 03:48 AM
3

I have a friend who is doing well financially right now and can't get women into him to save his life. Always my incel-tier level friend in my 20's who never did that well even when we were kids. So I question how much you can even compensate for bad genes with money. Maybe 100K a year or more or whatnot, it's tough out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 01:47 AM
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There is a scene chick I knew from 2001 who was a 100/10 back in the day. She's 37ish now and still pretty fine, and if she had an Onlyfans, I would sneak a peak. Of the other 9 billion or so on the planet, I would pass.
/r/MGTOW17/03/21 01:33 AM
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Yeah, women are actually very forgiving of this: I cheated on a girl three times before she finally dumped me when I was young and in my prime. They get hurt, but they also know it is a sign that you have options, which is what they look for. Weird double standard, but it's true.
/r/MGTOW16/03/21 10:32 PM
1

I remember a local hipster, friend of my GF: she was very attractive and would post pictures of back yard get-togethers on her Livejournal. Maybe 2004? That was my first taste of FOMO. Really early FOMO, because I would wonder why I wasn't invited. Now this is just par for the course. What a time to be alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 08:52 PM
1

2000's hipsterism was weird, too: you could be a "loser" guy and still hang out all the time. There were tons of background guys who whore glasses or whatnot and were just kind of background dudes who hung out a lot in local scenes. Dudes who looked like they were in Weezer and were a friend-of-a-friend guys. They sometimes briefly dated the girls. I kind of now understand these were "safe" beta dudes who were probably orbiters of popular women, but they were out and about at parties and had a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 05:42 PM
3

It's bullshit. I was in bands in the early 2000's: any band member would ditch out on other band members for a girl. There was even in-dating within the band were dudes would date the same chick. Bros before hoes only goes as far as it is convenient. Most dudes are hoes before bros, even if they are in a tight unit (band, sports team, etc).
/r/MGTOW16/03/21 05:35 PM
1

Yeah, it's ridiculous. People in 2000 didn't take the internet that seriously, either. Livejournal and Myspace and stuff like that was kind of a joke, to be honest. At least among the hipster crowd. AOL messenger was the main thing; the only reason people used that was to make plans for IRL. The modern push to take social media seriously/be "seen" as cool is really a post-2007 thing. Like I said, I was at my peak from probably 2000-2006 and we never felt the need to document all the cool shit we…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 05:21 PM
1

I am talking about the early 2k: all that was around, at least that anyone paid attention to, was Myspace and Livejournal. And nobody blasted their sex or party lives on these platforms. People are exposed to way too many people leading "the good life" now. In 2003 or whatnot, people who led the good life did it somewhat underground.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 06:27 AM
1

Sexhaving wasn't as in your face back when I was a kid, either. I can remember being 23 and living like a God: staying for free with my parents, gorgeous 18 year old goth girlfriend. I didn't blast this all over the internet and only the people who knew me knew what I was doing. Guys who were getting laid were doing it really low key in their bedrooms, it wasn't all over social media. I think people see the disparity now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 06:15 AM
1

I knew an older incel guy in his 30's when I was 21 (2001). He joined the band I was in to get closer to a girl we hung out with: he'd been stalking her for years and I guess used to work with her ex. He knew we hung out with her. Totally backfired: she wouldn't sleep with him and would make fun of him to us behind his back. But yeah, there were people like this 20, 30 years ago but it was just unspoken. And I don't think many realized they were even incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 05:51 AM
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I'm 41: the only way I have ever found for the common man to have any sort of life in this society (outside of school/work) is to play in a band. But this requires getting along well with a small group of guys, which can be hard to do. It's instant social status, though, even if it's a shitty bar band. Everything else I have seen is bullshit.
/r/MGTOW16/03/21 02:52 AM
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It's also not that easy. SSI and even food stamps in some states are hard to come by if you are a child-free male. You'd get denied at first, it's actually not that easy to get free government shit.
/r/MGTOW16/03/21 02:50 AM
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Yeah, and a lot of the younger dudes 18-22 who post on MGTOW forums would have been gunned down in Vietnam in the 60's. This is a shitty society, but at least it's possibly to GYOW. More so than probably any other time.
/r/MGTOW16/03/21 02:50 AM
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I had to get contacts, which was a Clark Kent move that all of the sudden gave me a very active dating life. But yeah...I don't remember us being that fucked up over not getting laid at 20 years old. It was just a part of life, albeit a shitty part of life. Some definite jamming out to "How Soon is Now" alone in bedrooms and standing against walls chain-smoking alone at clubs, but we all seemed to deal with it ok. It was an issue, but it didn't completely fuck up our lives. Then again, I started…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 12:44 AM
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As a dude, Imma channel my inner feminist and totally agree with this. Nobody is entitled to shit from another human being, certainly not relationships or sex. I fit the incel criteria from 18-21 (wore glasses, later had a huge glow up and did great with women) and I NEVER remember being this angry about it. There was more of a sad melancholy background noise. You would listen to a Smiths record and get over it. I grew up in the scene/alternative culture of the late 90's and none of the weird du…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 09:39 PM
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1984.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 04:41 PM
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I looked great in my 20's, did the casual sex bit and felt like shit about it. It just didn't seem right, I dunno. I felt gross and weird after and the sex was never that fulfilling. Maybe my Midwestern upbringing. Would way rather be in a loving LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 02:57 AM
3

While you are avoiding pointless drama in dating, also avoid it in male friendships. I have an ex-bandmate who puts up a hissy fit every time I talk to him because I don't want to be in a band again (all his attempt to meet women). 99% of the human population sucks, not just women. I had to cut loser friends out of my life, too. Stick to family and TRUE friends.
/r/MGTOW14/03/21 09:23 PM
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My first GF was a high six, slightly chubby (but very cute) punk girl with pink hair. 2001. Knew exactly where she stood on the totem pole and treated me like royalty. Used to bring me food from work. I was older and slightly hotter. I treated her good, she treated me good. We had a great time. You will never find this shit in 2021. People knew where they are at in the day.
/r/MGTOW13/03/21 05:14 PM
6

She's not the hottest, but 1.) looked better as a kid and 2.) probably sold herself to him as conservative/wife material. This is shit she did later in life and Smith was probably sold on a Tradcon Christian wife image. That can sometimes make you overlook how hot she is. He probably already had tons of hot black women before her, so just wanted to settle down and have kids. Could be wrong.
/r/MGTOW13/03/21 05:10 PM
1

We sent Chad down to fix it and we haven't seen Chad or Sharon in two days, so...dunno. Should we send Tyrone down?
/r/MGTOW13/03/21 03:55 PM
3

Yeah, dude, I can remember going to the mall with one friend in the early 2000's. He had no chance in hell, but followed PUA shit. I would just stand behind him as he cold approached girls and groups of girls. Worked awesome. It's a shitty thing to do, I guess, but if you hang out with better looking guys, you will be the least hot guy in a group of hot guys. Why not be the hot guy in a group of schlubs? Plus they were my buddies.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 03:22 PM
2

I see this, or also what I see: single mom finds a younger work-horse drone to help her support and raise the kid. That's the saddest one, from a male perspective, but I am starting to see that a lot.
/r/MGTOW13/03/21 05:50 AM
1

Yeah I think it's either bad boy Chad OR they just do without. It seems like a lot of chicks in their 20's just focus on work and don't even date men.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 10:03 PM
0

Yeah I didn't mean the post to make fun of either party, but something seems "off" about this stuff. The Prince is a prime example: why didn't he just marry someone ten years younger? Half your age plus seven and all that jazz. It's weird and I see it a lot.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 06:08 PM
3

I get it: even if you are young and good looking, putting on decent clothes and fixing yourself up to go out to a bar or a club and socialize for a few hours is kind of a pain in the ass. But you have to put some effort into life while young if you want shit to look back on in middle age. I'm afraid your average 23 year old is stuck on a vidya game. You gotta seize the day, as they used to say. I think we lost this?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 06:04 PM
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I tried to be the big hearted Chad pretty boy to two of my ugly band mates in my youth: it always backfired. Even if one of them did get laid, the chick would later make fun of him to me behind his back. Nothing is more black pill-ing than being the cute guy in a band of ugly dudes. The shit I have heard women say about men is BRUTAL. A hot guy could mean well by setting you up, but this will backfire. You are better off being the LEAST ugly guy out of a group of social but ugly guys. Think "Big…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 05:53 PM
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Laziness, which is what kept me a virgin until 21, even though I was like a Chadlite and later slayed. Socializing takes work and effort and I believe 99% of modern early 20's men just want a woman to magically show up and fuck them in the middle of video game sessions. I talk to kids who won't even go to the bar from 10-midnight every Saturday after I suggest it, just to see what is out there. MOST modern dudes, IMO, want that mythical top 20% POF/Tinder action where a girl just comes over as y…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 05:50 PM
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Gonna confess: I was an anxious Chadlite as a kid (probably a 7) and I always hung out with uglier dudes. I played in bands and made sure to always join bands with sort of unattractive, but very egotisitcal and social guys. You can just hang out in the background and let them be extroverted loud mouths: whatever women they are talking to will do a facial comparison and end up with you. I almost hate to admit I did this, but an ugly, outgoing guy is a shy good looking man's best friend. Worked li…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 05:44 PM
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Yeah, I was a late bloomer in dating and my first girlfriend was 18 when I was 21. I swear to God, I would have killed someone for her. She used to write me love letters a few times a week. That kind of ooey, gooey pair bonding is like caveman shit and only really comes around in the heat of youth. I think women lose this, and when they finally marry a guy at 30-35, they are using more common sense, but that insane Romeo and Juliet pair glue is just not there.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 05:21 PM
1

I can't help but think that the woman secretly wants an older guy with money and that the younger guy secretly wants to date the 21-24 year old he runs into at work or in the bar. Like it just seems like a recipe for disaster. I had a very obese 26 year old female friend, and the only guy who was into her was 21. She was VERY upset about this. She ended up caving in and dating him, but I remember she would bitch about it as a huge concern all of the time. Just doesn't seem like a good idea.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 04:39 PM
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Most of my bachelor male friends are struggling in life, and all of the homeless people I see in my (major metro) area are males. Did somebody break the Patriarchy button again? We need to get up early tomorrow and fix it. Might be leaking?
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 03:06 PM
1

They remember the best sex and the bad boy type because he creates drama. Stable, healthy men won't linger on in a woman's mind. There is nothing novel or unique about it. To use an example, a rapper DJ with a drug problem is more interesting to a woman than a CPA who has never been in trouble with the law. If you add amazing sexual chemistry on top of this, yeah...she won't forget.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 02:52 PM
1

Gonna file this under: AF/BB. I think this is pretty much where it belongs.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 02:46 PM
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Men have way less options than women, who can quickly fuck a new guy online or at a bar an hour after you part ways. Also, every chick you lose who you don't impregnate is a major reproductive loss, which is why I think you ruminate on it. It basically represents the loss of a healthy offspring (assuming the chick is healthy and attractive...most dudes don't ruminate that much over ugly or fat women, sorry). Condoms, birth control and online dating (which means tons of break ups) are modern, nov…
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 02:45 PM
0

This is my ideal, as well: five feet tall, kinda overweight, curves, huge boobs and/or huge ass. Fertility signals. And yeah, any man into this knows the difference between fat and thiccc. Thicc women are like BMW's and fat women are like used Hondas. Women, themselves, don't seem to notice the difference and every fat chick now thinks she is "curvy". Like 10-20% of fat chicks are actually curvy. But when you find one...hot Jesus.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 01:49 PM
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My ideal women have always been around five feet tall, ten to twenty pounds overweight, huge tits and/or a gigantic fat ass. Nice, small feet. This was what I liked as a kid, NGL. It helped a lot if she was also goth or punk. Fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 01:46 PM
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It's amazing how much a 21 year old guy would have to watch his ass in today's environment. I can remember being 21 in 2001; my friends and I would go to the mall to pick up women. Find two women near Hot Topic who wanted to hang out, go to park, smoke weed, fuck around with them, drop them off, never worry about it again. It's amazing how free wheeling people were 20, 30....however many years ago. Going back to like 1970. And we didn't watch what came out of our mouths.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 01:39 PM
2

Makes sense. Plus I would assume she gets to milk the "my husband is in the army" social status card on social media, etc.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 12:18 AM
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He is a fool and should be with a younger woman, BUT...she does look good for her age, man. Still retained some of that "soft" glow of 18-24 year old chicks. He's actually pretty average looking for royalty (royal family is not that hot), so he's giving his son good genes. Plus women LOVE mixed dudes...see Jeremey Meeks. Wait, did I just fall for her bullshit, too? Ooof.
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 04:15 PM
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I was on that latter end of what you describe as a kid: you can have a "soft harem" of 3-4 women you could hit up for sex any time, and will have no problem getting sex. But women won't take you THAT seriously if you are poor. I disagree with this bullshit that "Chad ditches these women when they are 27 and they have to find a beta buxx!". It's more like poor Chad gets ditched because he is only good for a fuck and can't pay the rent. Men who can't get laid thirst to be a pretty boy who can get …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 04:08 PM
1

The sex thing and companionship. Young guys are usually 1.) very horny and 2.) very lonely. There are a ton of drawbacks, but the force of these two things are enough to keep men simping over women for the rest of human history. The sexual instinct is one of the strongest instincts humans have. We are unique in MGTOW (I guess religious people are, too) to even be discussing how to overcome it.
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 03:37 PM
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Is it just me, or does every military guy seemed to get fucked over by women? The worst girlfriend and biggest slut I ever dated (who I couldn't wait to get rid of) later joined the military, found a simp in the army and got knocked up. He's been on the string for CP ever since. Not crapping on out vets with this post, just pointing out that....our military guys seem to ALWAYS get fucked over in dating. I never hear a non-horror story.
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 03:33 PM
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Gonna agree with you, and the Nam' shit is kind of pointless. The hippies were valid to say that was a stupid war to be in, and I don't think any true MGTOW would have sacrificed himself in a pointless war for a society/gov. that doesn't give a shit about him. I think this thread is turning into a masculinity pissing contest, which could be the big divide in MGTOW. My uncle died in Vietnam for nothing: there is nothing macho about that war, it was a meat grinder for young male high school kids i…
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 03:31 PM
1

The 60's sucked and the drug and sex revolution shit was gross, but at least it was still sort of male dominated. I think the sexual revolution shit was more just a ploy for these guys to get laid. If you read about The Stooges/MC5 period in Detroit, women would always complain because, despite the "revolutionary" band talk, girls were still expected to cook and clean and be in the kitchen. This was the beginning of a steep decline, but shit was still sort of traditional in 1969.
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 03:26 PM
1

I grew up in a very "woke", leftist crowd, because I was a musician in a band. There was a brief, 15 minute period of unity right after 9/11...I would say a good part of 2002. I remember being at a party with some very Bush-y firefighter and young police guys, standing next to the art crowd and everyone got along because we were talking about the 9-11 attacks. Shit seemed to be coming together. Lasted maybe a year, though. Now we are divided as ever.
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 03:22 PM
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I went off Facebook for my own mental health in 2007, and now that I am older, Red Pill aware and much more conservative, I could never go back online. You have to be 100% on board with the 200 gender "woke" bullshit or you will get destroyed on Facebook. Reddit, message boards, etc are the only place you can be honest on the web now. Maybe in private email to a select few people. I don't make any of my thoughts public now.
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 03:17 PM
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I ignored this advice, and back in the 2000's I had sex with 1.) a girl from work and 2.) two women in my apartment complex, one of whom lived right next door. Young, dumb and very full of cum. Shit was different back then, but in this environment, a young guy could get killed over this shit. Best to just keep to yourself in 2021.
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 03:15 PM
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I went off Facebook for my own mental health in 2007. When I discovered Red Pill stuff and became a bit more conservative with age a few years ago, I realized I could NEVER go back on social media. I knew anything I would let slip would get me attacked by everyone I knew. Grew up with a very liberal, hipster crowd. I feel like I have to keep my thoughts underground with old age. Ran into an old female friend I used to hook up with back in the day recently: she started talking about the 200 gende…
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 03:13 PM
1

Older guy here: I went out alone all the time in my 20's and it was never an issue. Even got a LTR out of a bar pick up like this. My "wingmen" were, quite frankly, annoying and would often botch things when we met a group of women. Just found better luck flying solo as a kid. If a chick finds you attractive, she is not going to care that you are at a bar alone.
/r/seduction10/03/21 01:20 AM
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I'm in recovery and can vouch for this: even if it is just listening to someone vent on the phone. There are depression support chat rooms and recovery chat rooms where you can do this: sounds cheesy, but a couple of hours of helping support another person in there can be beneficial to your day. The caveat here is not to expect much in return: generally, strangers just want someone to listen to them for a few minutes. Attention is SCARE in the digi-world and if you can give someone real human at…
/r/MGTOW09/03/21 04:46 PM
2

You can get a bad reputation even if you are just high status at a low level...such as a local rock band or you are the local "goth" guy or whatever. I've seen ex-bandmates get destroyed by false accusations of shit that supposedly happened in a parking lot at a show, yadda. The next thing you know, 200 local scenesters know about it. This shit is not new: it's just that it's mainstream now and targets famous and rich people. You really need to keep a low profile in this environment. I can't bel…
/r/MGTOW09/03/21 03:08 PM
2

I was a pretty boy in the 2000's AND in a band...this shit is def. playing with fire. I was so dumb in the early-to-mid 2000's that I was hooking up with women RIGHT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. Down the street, a few blocks away, etc. I would run into them later while shopping and just sort of laugh it off, but now I realize how foolish I was. Guys who did PUA in the 2000's were playing with a nuclear bomb and didn't even realize it. I can't imagine doing this shit now. I've run into these women 10/15+ …
/r/MGTOW09/03/21 02:59 PM
2

Any more insight into why? You can either divorce her (probably get screwed over in court) or stay and try to accept her. Those are your choices, man.
/r/MGTOW209/03/21 01:15 PM
2

I was in a punk band and went through a similar train of younger groupie chicks. I always "fell hard" for them. If you fit the bad boy criteria and you do well with women in your 20's, you still have to realize that you are just one in a HUGE STRING of band guys/druggies she will date until she settles down. It's the ideal headspace to be in (not a provider, still getting sex), but she will move on. That's why it's a "carousel": they don't pick one loser and stick with him. They go through many.…
/r/MGTOW209/03/21 12:55 PM
11

I'm in Alcoholics Anonymous and it talks about this a lot in The Big Book: being kind and considerate can sometimes just be a form of manipulation. I've done it myself to people to get my way. So you have to be wary of kindness; it doesn't always come from a true place. Most people want to control what is around them, including other people. Giving up on this gives you peace.
/r/MGTOW209/03/21 12:45 PM
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I was on the bad boy/band guy trip as a kid (and good facial DNA): it's hilarious to see who some of these formerly pink haired, lip pierced women I slept with when we were kids are married to now. It's always some fat, balding beta guy with "that" smile on his face. Big shit eating grin. Yeah, buddy...you won.
/r/MGTOW09/03/21 12:38 PM
1

My ex-bandmate was isolated and fucked over like this. On the white trash level, obviously. But first, it's "I don't want you to hang out with those guys". Then it's no hanging out with your family. She will make up a reason. Then she will bring you closer into her family and away from your circle. This dude is isolated with his wife, new child and her family now. They suck you in.
/r/MGTOW09/03/21 12:29 PM
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My Boomer parents gave me zero advice about dating and everything I learned about dating I learned from other guys my age who were successful with women. We also went out and picked up women together. I think this is the only way to go. They also never commented on any of the women I dated. Parents should stay out of their kid's dating lives after a certain age, especially if you are over 18. And yes, taking advice from a single mom is HORRIBLE, because she will tell you to act like what she des…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 11:09 AM
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I don't know about dating struggles, but one of my ex's was date raped while passed out, one was molested by a grandfather as child, one developed an eating disorder and many of them were sexually harassed at work. Two of them became single moms at a young age, and that was its own Herculean struggle. I wouldn't say any women I have known (outside of really obese women) has ever had any trouble getting men, but this doesn't mean women don't endure hardships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 12:38 AM
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I get what you mean, and I would advise any younger guy to go for the prettiest girl he can get in his youth, within reason. However, some dudes are only going to be able to date obese women in youth. Some dudes aren't going to date women until they are over 30. Some are going to have to date single moms. It's never "over", IMO, but you have to adjust your expectations. The dude I am referring to above was Hispanic, obese, wears glasses and had bad acne. A dude like that has extremely limited op…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 08:35 AM
3

If you are good looking, you have to be a taker and not a giver. I learned this real early on as kid. Just be a complete self centered prick. Threaten to break up with her once a month. Get drunk in another city and make her come pick you up at 3am. If she shows up in front of the bar like a taxi cab, you still have some control over the situation. Obviously, you have to kind of look good to pull this off in youth, but the second you start simping, it's over. It sounds dick, but this is the beha…
/r/MGTOW03/03/21 06:07 AM
5

Unpopular opinion: entitlement can sometimes be a good thing for men or women, especially in youth. I was on the low end of the Chad spectrum as a kid, and would routinely dump/pass on "ok" looking women in my youth because I thought I was entitled to something better. Almost every time I did this, I ended up with a much hotter/more interesting chick. At one point, I even left a girl for her friend, and had the best year of my 20's. Half of my memories of my "glory years" would not even exist if…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 04:54 AM
2

I would never give up, but I would give up on some of my dreams. The ugliest guy I've ever met in my life (an orbiter of an ex) ended up with an obese blonde single mom. They now have a kid together. He was probably early 30's when he pulled this off, and I'm pretty sure it was his first relationship. So I would say NO ONE should totally give up, but you need to keep an open mind about what you are going to end up with. Some dudes are not going to eat from the buffet of 18-24 year old attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 03:46 PM
2

I was a complete mental case Chad-type as a kid, and I noticed people are totally willing to overlook red flags in dating you when you are young. If you look good. Ie, no steady job, no car, severe emotional and anger issues, substance abuse problem, etc. I also noticed people in authority were much more forgiving and willing to give me the benefit of the doubt. Teachers, cops, whatever. So the halo effect is very real, even if you are a nut job.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 04:15 AM
1

Men notice little things. I dated a punk girl who changed her hair color all of the time: I found that exciting. I dated two goth girls who were very high fashion and always mega-dressed up when we hung out; I found that very exciting. One of them had fake boobs, which I thought was awesome. I also dated a gorgeous "natural beauty" blonde girl who always dressed down, went without make up and wore beach sandals all the time: I found that to be pretty blah after awhile. Hygiene, dress and hair ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:19 AM
2

Looks, personality (which usually translates into "fun") and to a lesser extent, low level social status youth culture shit. What I mean by that is: a band, the guy is a Soundcloud rapper, the guy has something going on outside of work that gives him gutter level social status. But again, this is only going to work if you look good. I was in bands with plenty of ugly men, and they could only date ugly women in our social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:11 AM
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I was a Chadlite as a kid who had his looks destroyed by these massive Buddy Holly glasses I was wearing. I was always told "Just be confident" by male friends. Nobody ever said anything about the glasses. Within a few months of getting contacts, I had my first long term relationship. So yeah....
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 01:01 AM
1

I had an incel-tier friend (kind of looks like a bug) with a huge ego in the 2000's who swore by this PUA crap. The worst thing I ever saw him get into was Neuro Linguistic Programming. So his technique was to insert "sexual" words into the conversation to "program" the chick. Example: "My boss told me to come in early...I told him to KISS my ass!" "Do you listen to The SEX Pistols at all?" etc. He was insane. He also swears by "Think And Grow Rich". Was the first guy out of our social group to …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 12:59 AM
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At least you have the pad and the job. Plus a lot of people our age are married/kids and not even happy, so...food for thought. And maybe you can live it up in your 40's? I dunno, we aren't dead yet, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 06:56 PM
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If it's any comfort, the only thing I have going for me as far as copes are my shitty memories of being a local Chad light until I was 33ish. So...life just sucks as you get older, whether or not you lived it up. I hope you can find something meaningful. Oh yeah, I also had to go to A.A. for seven years to get sober, because I drank that whole time. So ya know...everybody's life sucks, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 06:20 PM
8

This meme is bullshit: Ted was never a Chad. Compare Gwen now to her ex-husband from Bush now (who was a Mega Chad) and see what you come up with. Ie, an actual Chad/Stacy comparison. Spoiler: the dude looks like James Bond at 55 and dates a woman half his age. With no plastic surgery to back him up. NOW you have the real deal.
/r/MGTOW27/02/21 11:52 PM
8

I am 41: the 2000's, especially 2000-2006 were fucking insane. Everybody I knew had a girlfriend and was having sex and everyone I knew went out drinking and to punk shows all the time. You could go to the mall, get a girl's AOL screen name, and be partying and having sex with her that night. You could just walk around and meet younger women to have sex with if you looked good (the Chad thing has always been true). So yes, it was a lot different. People went to punk shows and drank and hooked up…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 01:34 PM
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Yeah, good for you, you gotta get out there while you are still young and live. Because once you get too old, it's too late. Unless you are rich, and then it's just bullshit sugar baby stuff. The real sex and mating happens when you are a kid. They are deluded or kidding themselves that it doesn't matter. It's a huge milestone and can fuck up your mental health for life if you don't hit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 01:28 PM
1

Same, what will they think about when they get older? Your most salient memories involve sex and mating. Even just having male friends or doing something epic like being in a band (I was in a band for most of my adult life) won't make up for this. I don't think travel will, either. Nothing can.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 12:58 PM
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Yeah, this also involves the dude who didn't do well in his 20's suddenly making good bread after 30. More often than not in my social group, those guys continued to smoke pot and make $10.00 an hour. This is sometimes a beta Bill Gates fantasy where you make it big later in life...sometimes doesn't work out. And then it's another decade of no women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 11:08 AM
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This is correct: she also probably tried to turn the starving artist/musician into provider material, but it did not work. Fiery, hot sexual relationships like this in youth are the only real relationships. Unfortunately, there is this thing called rent. I can also tell you this: 18-25 year old women are sort of Pollyannas, and some often think the starving artist guy's career is going to pick up. Like your indie band is actually going to make it? So they want that guy to be the provider, but it…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 11:02 AM
2

I kind of agree with this: 20 year old kids who aren't doing well with women will never crash into a "wall", because they never lived in the first place. Crashing into a wall involves being sexually successful when you are a kid and then losing that later in life. So this makes sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:51 AM
1

Nah, man, chicks just like to have sex with good looking guys in youth. It's good genes. They also see "potential" in dudes, but when the guy never stops smoking pot or never gets off the couch, they grow out of these guys. The smart ones settle for a stooge; the ones who are fucked are looking for a hot AND rich guy. It's just human nature, man, I don't think culture is dictating this to women on a mass scale. Women in the 50's or whatnot had to marry for security and couldn't just go with thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:45 AM
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I was drinking buddies with a late 30's Mega Milf when I was a kid and she seemed to go equally between young pretty boy gym dudes and older rich men. Almost a 50/50 split. Obviously, they aren't going to take them seriously as long term mates, because they have no money, but it's def. a thing and has been for a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:39 AM
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They won't bother. I am an aged out, used up Chad: the only thing that makes life past 35 bearable for most people are fond memories of youth. You can't miss out on crazy, 21 year old girlfriends or getting drunk with your 24 year old girlfriend at the beach and think you will "make up" for it in your 30's. This is like a 25 year old high school drop out thinking he can go back to 11th grade. You can't: they will tell you to get a GED and go to community college. I'm not trying to shit on women …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:31 AM
2

I dated a really pretty blonde who had a mega-incel level beta orbiter: fat Hispanic guy with glasses and bad acne. She used to joke around with me in private that she would never fuck him in a million years. For her, I guess it was validation. For him? I think he thought she would eventually stop dating "assholes" like me (he couldn't stand to see me with her) and eventually realize he was "the one" all along. This never happens, but I believe it is the fantasy. Also, for some better looking or…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:11 AM
1

Yeah, that is a good point. Once people start complaining about money, they throw sexism/racism in our faces.
/r/MGTOW27/02/21 01:47 AM
3

I was a pretty boy as a kid and have had a lot of sex and dated a lot of women. To be honest, most of the women I dated treated me very well and no woman I dated in my 20's ever wanted money from me. If anything, I was a bit of a mooch. I used to feel bad about this, but after reading horror stories about men being destroyed by women, I don't care anymore. Most of my ex's settled down with a provider guy after the 20's CC phase. This shit is like clockwork to me now, I can see it in every woman …
/r/MGTOW26/02/21 04:43 PM
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