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but that doesn't justify their behavior Behavior? We're talking about thoughts and feelings. If that post is really intended to do what you're saying, then it requires a disclaimer. If you read it, you would know he does include a disclaimer - he says it's how he FEELS not what he will do. You already demonstrated your penchant for exaggeration, surely you can understand? You're now trying to dismiss my points on the basis of your personal insecurity. You think I didn't go to college because I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 06:50 PM
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Your reading comp is terrible You said you stopped reading after you ran into those statements. I'm pretty sure good reading comp involves the understanding of context. If you finished reading you would've realized that story was from a uniquely unfortunate type of man we call an omega incel. He was angry because the way the human species is, the equivalent female omega does not have it as bad as him when it comes to intimacy. He thought he would be alone forever and was suicidal. That's the con…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 05:05 PM
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Turns out you just can't stop expressing yourself through exaggeration! And to think this part of the thread started with you berating someone for their exaggerations. you-Sexual assault is a very common phenomenon! me - Saying it's common is an exaggeration. you- clearly it appears you don't believe rape exists! I provided an unimpeachable source to back my statement: close to 14%. Unimpeachable? You provided a politically motivated survey of a small sample size with a redefinition of rape when…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 04:06 PM
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Go find number of overall sexual assaults in the US, find out how many people live in the US, and then try to tell me again that it's a 'common phenomenon,' is not an exaggeration. Drunk sex between teenagers is not indicative of our overall society in the first world.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 03:47 PM
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The reality is that this rage against women who did nothing to the man in question is commonly experienced by women, and sexual assault and harassment is a very real, and unfortunately common phenomenon. No. Sexual assault is not a common phenomenon. Stop exaggerating right after you criticize other people for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 04:42 AM
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'some men's offspring are better at surviving' is the obvious one. This doesn't explain why there would be unequal reproductive ratios if everyone mated with everyone. Unless you think survivability doesn't take the mother's fitness into account. Only the children of unfit men died even if they mated with fit women? As is a man's whose penis shape is better at scooping out other men's semen. However silly it seems, I'll admit things like this probably contributed, especially for early homo sapie…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 03:31 AM
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http://www.psmag.com/nature-and-technology/17-to-1-reproductive-success That's the study. I wonder whether those conditions existed only briefly in our evolutionary history Look at the graph. Take notice of the Y-axis. Different scales. It's always been uneven. Pre-civilization and in recent times the ratio was better. I suspect the reason was rape and long term monogamy, respectively. Both allowed average/below average males to mate. Sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive. This concept is key to un…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 01:18 AM
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A dead child wouldn't count for the mother either. It's just a math problem. If you look at a group of people's DNA, you can tell how many distinct mothers and fathers make up the parents of that group. That's obvious. But's turns out there's also information there to figure out how many distinct grandparents there are, and distinct great-grandparents, etc etc etc.. That's what this study did. The conclusion of uneven reproductive success between men and women from this study is not really argua…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 12:02 AM
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http://www.psmag.com/nature-and-technology/17-to-1-reproductive-success look at the graph and what it represents- number of men and women who REPRODUCED. (sidenote- the scale of the y axis is different so it never equalizes) On the graph and throughout the article, including quotations from the researchers, it's all about reproductive ratio. If you say it's not about that, then you are challenging the conclusions of this study. At the end of the article, the only thing left in doubt was the reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 03:45 PM
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op specified the phd is in physics. beta, unplugged or w.e, he is useful to humanity.
/r/TheRedPill15/06/15 10:38 PM
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https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=5.13&soc=-2.56 I expected more redpillers to score like me... interesting results so far
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/15 09:24 PM
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Redpill..... will net you women... if you're ugly ...and net you even more women if you're good looking. Better looking people might not NEED it, but why would it not help if it helps less good looking people?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/15 02:14 PM
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Different races exist because various groups of humans evolved separate from each other. Technology has removed the barriers separating people and has created a small world. This means racial homogenization is inevitable. Whether it happens in a few hundred years or a few thousand years, there will no longer be distinct races like today. I'm not sure how to feel about it to be honest. At least race politics will no longer be a thing for the left lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 04:22 PM
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your well-being is not contingent on her presence. It sounds simple. Even though it sounds simple, a bad mentality makes it so hard to realize..
/r/TheRedPill12/06/15 03:52 PM
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I wonder how ugly you must be to find solace in Rooshv telling you everything will be fine and that you'll marry Chad one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 03:09 AM
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I'm an average looking guy, who can now translate status to sex, thanks to TRP. Sorry to disappoint, but I'm doing great. I wonder how ugly you must be to find solace in Rooshv telling you everything will be fine and that you'll marry Chad one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 03:05 AM
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which is exactly what we eventually get. What you get is a beta bucks. If you can truly be happy with your beta bucks after you've ridden the cc, good for you! If the CC doesn't leave you jaded, that's great. Everybody lives happily ever after.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 02:54 AM
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How can you say my friend's situation isn't the norm? From what I've seen it is absolutely the norm. LOL. It is the norm for average overweight women to marry the top 20% men? Unlike casual sex, long term relationships mean people are pairing off. Which means you have a logistical number problem. 80% of women CAN and do have casual sex with 20% of the top men , but they CAN"T marry them in a monogamous system... Literally a numeric problem. Your hamster needs to try harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 02:43 AM
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And because a woman’s rationalization mechanism is so strong, she will have no problems finding happiness at 35 after marrying the whipped beta that she can easily control, convincing herself that it’s what she wanted all along. That's what he said concerning commitment. This is not new information. Women ride the CC young, settle for beta at 30, and convince herself that's what she wanted. It's a matter of perspective. From a male perspective the above sounds like a decent deal, even if it's no…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 02:28 AM
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Women can always find casual sex and a beta at any age. This is not news. friend in her mid 30s who just married a tall, handsome, 27 year old doctor. He has a perfect body and she is 20lbs overweight. She is crazy about him. It happens all the time. Then you should stay in whatever world this happens all the time in.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 02:05 AM
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I just can't get a hard on for a woman who's so openly disgusted with my body. If you internalized red pill, I suspect you would not have this psychological problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 11:56 PM
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I'm not here to fight biology. Good to hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 09:12 PM
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Why is it that men's outright refusal to lower their personal standards in respect of sexual partners is considered somehow so, so much more important than women's? Because men already have very low standards to begin with. Fuck those ugly, pathetic women, if that's precisely what you expect in return. >:) They do.. Go read the Incel side bar story on redpill. There's a link to an article of a 40 year old fat, ugly woman being honest about her plentiful sexual choices. I'm involuntarily celibate…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 04:32 PM
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Careful. Acknowledging the above + one more concept- sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive - would logically lead you to justify most of TRP. And you don't wanna have to do that now, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 04:14 PM
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Women don't want to fuck everyone, everywhere. Yes... we're agreeing.. that's what I said. The point is women take a NATURAL risk in sex (due to possibility of pregnancy) so that's a reason for them being more hypergamous. It's evolutionary psychology. Just because she can stop pregnancy doesn't mean her sexual selection doesn't take that into account.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 04:08 PM
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My bad, typo I meant - If women being able to fuck everyone, everywhere translated to them actually doing that, redpill wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 03:57 PM
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She can fuck who she wants, whenever and wherever she wants, and no one can say fuckall about it. I agree. But her underlying psychology still has a say and evolution is responsible for that. She still views herself as the one taking more of a natural risk, and that plays a huge part in the form of hypergamy. If women being able to fuck everyone, everywhere translated to them actually doing that, redpill wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 03:49 PM
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Sex is NOT riskier for women. It is inherently riskier. You just listed all the artificial ways its made safer. The basic dynamic is still at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 03:10 PM
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SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS INHERENTLY HAVE A POWER DYNAMIC BECAUSE SEX IS A VALUABLE RESOURCE BEING EXCHANGED. Like you said, this is a very important concept to understand about life.
/r/TheRedPill11/06/15 12:37 PM
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However, our connection has me to believe we're soulmates. With the way you're talking, you are fucked for life if you don't swallow the red pill. Women and men don't view sex and relationships the same way. Women are sweeter, more caring and more giving than men in most aspects of life. But when it comes to sex and relationships they are ruthlessly calculating. It's biology. They are smaller, weaker and more vulnerable creatures. By design they are more incentivized to be choosy and picky for s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 12:08 PM
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i think you and other people are using the mainstream definition of hypergamy of monetary based social status. In TRP the concept takes into acccount more than just that. It's the idea that women, more so than men, want to have sex with someone bigger, stronger, smarter, richer, etc... (better than them at things that help gather resources) It's in part because sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive and evolutionary psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 11:35 AM
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It's biology. Sex is more risky for women and they want it less often. So when they do, they have more incentive to make sure its with a partner they're attracted to. This indirectly creates survival of the fittest for men. The top men take a lot of the sex offered by women, the 'lesser' men get very little.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 11:19 AM
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I commend you for being able to think about this from a market perspective (even though your solution is not a good one). Sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive in our species. This obviously has consequences in the sexual marketplace. It's the liberals and the left that created this free market of sexuality, which is a little strange since aren't they supposed to be the ones wary of free markets? The problem is they don't see how, by design, female participation in sex and reproduction is a limited…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 11:58 AM
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I commend you for being able to think about this from a market perspective (even though your solution is not a good one). Sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive in our species. This obviously has consequences in the sexual marketplace. It's the liberals and the left that created this free market of sexuality, which is a little strange since aren't they supposed to be the ones wary of free markets? The problem is they don't see how, by design, female participation in reproduction is a limited resourc…
/r/TheRedPill10/06/15 11:49 AM
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I'm a 99th percentile intelligence If I can say so, I consider myself very intelligent, and I used to be very liberal. A couple of months ago I ran into one concept that single-handedly changed my worldview. Sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive. Male role in reproduction/sex is cheap. Female role in reproduction/sex is costly/risky/expensive. What do you think the consequences of this biological reality is for the free market of sexual relations created by liberalism?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 02:38 AM
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why are you concerned with such an example? I was trying to come up with an analogy to 'women are children' i would say women fitting either description are disturbed At least you are consistent. I, personally, have no problem with women like that. I would commend them for honestly realizing that men are more sex driven. Also, for the sake of continued consistency, I'd love it to see you explain to women how and why you find plastic surgery disturbing and how it's a sign of autism and lack of em…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 01:22 AM
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The average red piller probably knows fewer sports than your average bro just due to that demographic. You just gave them a legit way to identify us. wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 12:57 AM
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What do you think of women who get plastic surgery for bigger boobs and say 'all men are pigs (sex driven).'
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 12:46 AM
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they are flawed (not necessarily bad) people because of their need for cheat sheets So it's the fact that they need help/have to cheat that you find problematic? Gotcha. Makes sense from the evo psych point of view I described.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 12:05 AM
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insecure dark triad types are the least attractive to women Insecure dark triad is a bit of an oxymoron. I think what you mean is unjustified dark triad types or fake alphas. There's an evo psych explanation for why you just said this. Attraction is the mechanism for sexual selection, the genetics of the next generation (and your child) are at stake and as a woman the consequences are your burden. So it makes sense that you are concerned for the authenticity of what you find attractive. This is …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 11:11 PM
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good looks does not equal dark triad. ofcourse not.. why did you think I meant that? I said 'AND', as in both are helpful. I edited in this question after you replied. Can you answer? - Is a guy autistic/lacking in empathy for needing these ideas of dominance, power, sex to be articulated? I don't think so but I guess you do. Let me play armchair psychologist on you - I think you find TRP troubling because you think the type of person who does need these ideas articulated to him will inevitably …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 09:28 PM
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because superior empathy allows you to see the subtextual truth regardless of the words people might say. I agree. This reminds me of the studies done on IQ differences between the races. This subject is uncomfortable for people to talk about and liberals want to censure/shame any mention of it. The thing is some of them know it's legitimate so why would they still do that? It requires a 'superior' empathy to understand that they are less concerned with the validity and more concerned with the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 08:57 PM
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Being able to empathize is what confirms TRP for lots of people. A lot of TRP only made sense to me after I visualized what it would be like to be a smaller creature who was sexually attracted to bigger creatures. It was only after being able to properly see from their perspective that I realized they have unique things to deal with as women. Problem is the way they deal with these things unintentionally come at my expense. This realization is what inspired a healthy dose of narcissism in me. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 06:05 PM
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You're a man, you don't matter. I understand fully lol. I'm just surprised things could get this bad..
/r/TheRedPill08/06/15 01:56 PM
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You don't have to be extremely rich to pull this off. You just need there to be a quality of life differential. You have to convey to her that if she fucks you, she has a chance to experience your personal success. It's a more long term process since you have to deal with the anti-slut defense as she pretends to be girlfriend material.
/r/TheRedPill08/06/15 10:58 AM
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WTF?? That can't be real... How does that happen?
/r/TheRedPill08/06/15 10:11 AM
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The same with evolutionary competitive explanations. To see properly what it actually cause, we should also see what it doesn't. In my argument in the link, I referenced evolution, but I used the observable and testable differences between men and women to explain the current sexual marketplace that arises due to biology. The simplified argument was this - a-Men have higher sex drives (this can and has been proven) b-Men carry less risk in sex (proven since we can observe with our eyes that wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/15 09:15 AM
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Basically it is saying that if Jack has X kids and he invests everything into making them high status, and John has 10X kids with 5 women and does not give a shit about them, 5 generations later we will see more John's genes. Which is not clear at all. Let's use different names, those names I used were to describe the casual sex example pre-marriage (or no long term pairing). This is a completely different topic. But yea, I agree, fathering is valuable to reproductive success. It doesn't have to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/15 08:51 AM
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Planets runnin outta resources In the extreme long term, this might come into play. In the past, poor men could not reproduce or have sex. Poor women became the 2nd wives of richer men instead of mating with poor men. In the first world poverty is not a problem, now it's ugly/mediocre men who cannot reproduce or have sex. Average women wait in line to get pumped and dumped by Chad. Sperm is cheap, so it's a shit world for men by design. The biggest thing that happened for me after TRP awakening …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/15 07:39 AM
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Men have higher sex drives and sex is less risk for them. Sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive. Male role in sex/reproduction is cheap, female role is costly/expensive. This means 'free love' or a huge open relationship in society leads to the top men having a sexual paradise at the expense of average men. Men buy into it because they think it means more for them, but it really means more for women and less for them. Yeap. When an average woman wants to have sex in a free love situation, she can t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/15 06:50 AM
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Wow, you gave no response to the main points of my post. I made a mistake thinking you would be able to understand the sexual marketplace from a economic point of view. Literally no response to the idea of female participation being a limited service for men. No response to the market consequences of this. No specific argument against ANY of the points I painstakingly presented. Even more, by pretending that men always are on the minority and women are in the majority you fail to realize that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/15 05:24 AM
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It's not like sex appeal does not matter--it's just that it's not the only thing. Yeap, I agree. It's not the only thing that matters. But unfortunately it matters way more than most people would like to admit. Red pill is all about acknowledging that reality. The traits you mention "bigger, stronger, taller" v. "weaker" are absolutely the place where I agree 100%. Those are absolutely the traits that will make more women want to have sex with you. It seems like you've acknowledged it too. It's …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/15 12:20 PM
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I never heard of the 20/10 rule for women. There's only 80/20 which says, ~20% of men sex with ~80% of women. And those are rough numbers to illustrate the inequity. Just like RUCRAZY said, this is due to the biological concept of sperm being cheap, eggs being expensive. here is my post about sexual economics - http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/38k18i/reviewing_the_ok_cupid_study_what_it_really_says/crxmyib
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/15 12:06 AM
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I have been the "ugly girl" who wasn't allowed to have sexual desires. I have had guys follow me, try to get sex out of me I did not want. Basically you could not be as hypergamous as the other girls. You had low value guys wanting you but that was not good enough even though you are low value yourself. From a male pov it's hard to have sympathy for women who reject men on par with them and cry after they suffer abuse from other men. Women line up and wait for Chad and you were in the back of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 10:07 PM
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I'm not TRP. I tried to show you how trp could be helpful, you never responded back to my post. Yet you are still here, rejecting trp but still trying to gain sympathy for your virginity? I really don't understand. You think pity will get you sex? You think that because women seem so empathetic and nice that they will have sex with you once they realize how it's an important experience that's missing from your life? No. They will not. Not even the sweetest, nicest girl in the world will have eno…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 09:04 PM
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Do you get how extreme it is? We are talking about harsh realities due to evolution. It's going to be extreme. You should read this post I made talking about the economics of sex and reproduction - http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/38k18i/reviewing_the_ok_cupid_study_what_it_really_says/crxmyib
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 08:32 PM
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By TRP definition, alpha means successful with women. The challenge is to find out what traits make someone an alpha. TRP says those are - power, status, strength(looks). OK, but your claim wasn't convincing as a claim we have scientific evidence what TRP regards as the cluster of alpha traits are the cluster that make people more fit from an evolutionary standpoint. I gave you proof of 80/20, but you say I didn't prove that the 20% of men that reproduced had the alpha characteristics of power, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 07:43 PM
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I don't mean a case of the research itself being unethical or destructive, but where the resulting understanding is ethically negative. If I want to better understand a certain disease, there are of course various unethical ways to go about it, but trying to gain an understanding of the disease itself should not be considered negative. the ethical consequences of understanding evolution are not negative I guess what you mean is gaining an understanding of evolution does not require us to DO anyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 05:54 PM
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Supply and demand says: the amount of a commodity, product, or service available and the desire of buyers for it, considered as factors regulating its price. Excellent. Judging from this post and earlier ones, you seem to understand the economics of sex. Your main disagreement with TRP is that it does not acknowledge the female side of things in the same way. Here is your answer - the female side of things is not the same. Sex and reproduction is not symmetric. SPERM IS CHEAP, EGGS ARE EXPENSIVE…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 04:55 PM
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She asked you - 'So then the idea is that they are with their 'Alpha' boyfriends. But how can that be? When only 20% of men are Alphas?' How can it be that the most desirable men can have lots of short term relationships with lots of women? Good question huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 02:53 PM
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So then the idea is that they are with their 'Alpha' boyfriends. But how can that be? When only 20% of men are Alphas? Um...this isn't that tough of a math problem. The answer is alpha's engage in short relationships and sexual variety a LOT more than women. There are many things about the 'big theory' of TRP that don't make sense (because they are self contradictory, incompatible with the theory of evolution, with history, and to many things you will see around you Incompatible with the theory …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 02:45 PM
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what do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 01:12 PM
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Ethics is mostly based on logic. It's a branch of philosophy. Logic is a key component of philosophy. There's even formal ethics, which is entirely based on logic. The foundation of morality and ethics are subjective. Formal ethics seems like how to be logically consistent AFTER accepting subjective moral stances. It depends what the ethical consequences are. In this case, the ethical consequences of understanding evolution are not negative, so there's no reason to not research evolution. Intere…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 12:36 PM
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What more do you want? There is a drastic difference when it comes to physical ability. There is a slight or no difference when it comes to intellectual ability. So.... If I had to rank men vs women as entire groups, I would have to say men are superior. I don't value this conclusion that much, but it's true to me. Why is not true to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 11:36 AM
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There is wider definition of hypergamy used in TRP. It's not just monetary based social class. It incorporates SMV fully. Men can be hypergamous too, but when you take into account optimal sexual strategy, you'll realize that since sex is always higher risk for women, they will always be much more choosy if possible - much more hypergamous. Men will cheat too, but moreso for the sake of sexual variety - to 'spread his seed,' - male sexual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 10:53 AM
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It may be relevant in other cultures around the world now, but I think, especially for Americans, hypergamy is now based on sociological characteristics. Once people have all their basic needs met, they tend to chase after mates because of certain sociological characteristic desires that are attractive to them. Exactly what I've been thinking. The more independent the average woman is, the less incentive she has to mate with the average man. Sperm is cheap. If she wants to have kids she can easi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 10:27 AM
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There are only those who lose and those who win. You have a terrible understanding of successful capitalism (like in the US).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 10:17 AM
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'meaningless physical interactions' Why even be monogamous then? If you love her and want the best for her, let her fuck men better than you. Since you love each other, do all the 'meaningful' stuff together and let her have 'meaningless' sex with better men. You can be free to have sex with hotter women too, but you might eventually realize when it's just sex you both are chasing, she will do much better than you. When she wants to have kids, why not encourage her to find sperm from a man smart…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 06:53 AM
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I wonder when liberals will realize sexual selection is not a fun, egalitarian phenomenon.
/r/TheRedPill01/06/15 01:59 AM
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So your boyfriend has a second ltr-type girl while you do not have a 2nd ltr-type guy. You realize this imbalance means some guy out there is without a girlfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 08:05 AM
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Sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive. This biological reality about humanity means life will be great for the top ~20% of males and not so great for the bottom ~80% especially in a feminist society, when it comes to sex and relationships. TRP encourages you to become part of the top 20% and tries to help you get there. It doesn't care about 'fixing' the complicated consequences of feminism. Only how to profit from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 07:08 AM
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You are talking about all sorts of random stuff that have no relation to what I was saying. I wasn't trying to address all of trp through one study.. just the most fundamental concept - the 80/20 rule. Oh, I wasn't claiming there is no ratio. Great. Glad you understand. So even for modern history, the ratio is 1:5. Let that sink in. That was my main point. In humans, sexual selection is mediated through society. Yeap. Society has restricted sexual choice through civility, religion, and most impo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 05:51 AM
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However, you are kind of missing the point that this was only for a particular period--it's a dip and rise ???? The ratio for more modern times is still 1:5. Look at the x axis in the graph. the scale's are not the same. at 0 (present day), its 150:500 ~ 1:5 Also, it's a data set of 450. So the cause is still unknown. wtf? the sample size determines the accuracy of the result. It would have no effect on figuring out the 'cause' of the result. So if we could theoretically do the analysis on every…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 04:04 AM
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That's just speculation. I will give you scientific proof of one evo psych based prediction. Given the way male and female reproduction works, one can figure out 'optimal strategies' for both sexes. These strategies factor in female hypergamy, male incentive to compete for sexual variety, alpha fucks/beta bucks, etc. If humans pursued these strategies one would expect the 80/20 rule to occur, where a minority of sexually successful men will have the majority of the sex. And this was recently pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 01:20 AM
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Gender is a cultural concept Sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive. Fundamental inequality of reproductive opportunity. Female participation in reproduction/sex is a limited service men try to attain. The less social controls there are and the more of a free market it is, the more it breaks down into winners and losers, just like in the economic market. You are obviously a liberal, so you are aware of what happens in a free market with a limited commodity/service right? Think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 11:08 PM
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You are agreeing with my arguments but you rephrase them in a less compromising way so you don't have to admit you are wrong - Sexual attraction is partially genetic. I agree culture is human. I'm going to summarize- In every animal species, one sex chases the other. Humans are an animal species. In humans, one sex chases the other. Culture is a uniquely human thing, therefore culture vs genetics does not apply to other species meaning in every non-human species one sex chasing the other is due …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 10:12 PM
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I personally don't want to get married either way Why not? What's your personal 'relationship/sexual strategy' ?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 02:38 AM
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they either won't go near in the first place or if they do they'll just fuck and forget I think the difference for omega men is there is no 'fuck and forget' equivalent that omega women have. This is more relevant than you might think. When an omega man tries to have a relationship with the omega women, those 'fuck and forget' moments leave the omega women with a sense of entitlement for something better. So usually he gets rejected by even them or gets into a shitty betabux relationship with a …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 11:07 PM
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I'm asking why promiscuous women are seen as UNSTABLE mentally, or innately mentally inferior I haven't seen any intelligent redpiller take it that far. There could be an argument for 'inferior' in the sense that a promiscuous women is sabotaging herself in the long term. But that's it. another to say "She's been promiscuous, so she has a personality disorder" (I've seen that said, on this sub). I'd say that person was either exaggerating or just wrong. I don't think it's a personality disorder.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 10:49 PM
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If you understood the TRP idea of alpha fucks/beta bux better you would get it. Ill try to summarize quickly - When women sleep with men out of their league but cannot marry the same quality of man, it leaves them jaded. They end up having to marry someone in their own league, but they unconsciously feel entitled to something better. On some level they feel like they are settling. This might lead to her being especially hypergamous and cheating on or leaving her husband. This is what is meant by…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 10:11 PM
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And the idea of not having kids did cross my mind, but then I remembered that we have fertility clinics and sperm banks now Good point. Sperm banks are a convenient solution. You would still have access to alpha sperm. In some ways this might be an even better sexual strategy than hypergamy. I never even thought about this lol. Well, I believe you now. (Life still makes sense from a TRP pov. You did have me scared for a bit though, I'll admit.)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 08:51 PM
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You have no choice but to publicly answer that way given your stance in the OP. Not being viewed sexually not only means no more casual sex, it also potentially means not having kids or a family. Think about it honestly on your own. If you still feel the way you claim, you can use it to defend your stance on platonic vs sexual value. It would be a very good argument, if honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 07:34 PM
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Answering that question honestly will help circumvent your unconscious hamster. You'll get your answer on the platonic value vs sexual market value issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 06:33 PM
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In a completely free market of consensual sex, a man can only have sex after men with higher SMV than him are fully satisfied. With these absurd ratio's there will be enough left over sexless women even after 49 men are satisfied. So unless the excluded women want to remain completely sexless, even the lowest smv guy can get some play.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 06:16 PM
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but it wouldn't make me want to keep that guy in my life, because I just don't want that kind of relationship. Makes sense. So then can you see why we tell men to limit their platonic relationships with women? Even today, it falls on men to initiate sex/intimacy. Being blue, you prolly think its cultural or because of patriarchy, but whatever the reason, that's how it is. So if a man has too many female friends (who don't want to have sex with him) eating up his time, that's less time for him to…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 04:53 PM
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If you could play god and choose, which type of person would you want more of in the world, the 'meh' guy who gave you tingles, or the 'great' guy who you like hanging out with?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:54 PM
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So which is it? Men won't relax their standards, or men will relax their standards but won't call back? Prolly both right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:34 PM
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Maybe if there was less slut shaming, some of those 80% might be getting laid more? If men and women were not different, then you'd be right. But in our species, the male has a much higher sex drive. Sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive. The top men will be as sexually(reproductively) successful as women allow them to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:02 PM
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You implied that culture could not possibly be the reason men were the pursuers in America because in the animal kingdom some species have men set to be pursuers. No. You are not understanding what I said. First of all, I never mentioned America, I'm talking about the human species. I said men being the pursuers is largely due to genetics because sexual behavior is genetic. Sexual behavior is genetic because there is a universality of sexual behavior within a species. You give me the genetic ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 12:03 PM
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Thank God, this terper is here to set me straight. You're really full of it bro. This isn't /r/thebluepill. No need to get mad. Stick to arguing the substance. You know there are species in which females chase males. The sea dragon male for example, carries the eggs. The emperor penguin does most of the childcare, warming eggs. The female lion does most of the hunting. So yeah, we can definitively say culture plays a role. Yes, in some species, the female is the pursuer. So what? In those cases,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/15 05:59 PM
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However, it is a huge leap to assume that humans who have created sex for pleasure are primarily guided in sex by archaic rules of sperm cheap. egg expensive and not societal conditions. Oh, its a HUGE leap to assume our sexual preferences are shaped largely by our evolutionary past? How comforting to hear this from a future biologist. prarie voles mate for life for example I didn't say all mammals, and prarie voles are not 'large mammals.' Also they are not sexually monogamous, only betabux-sty…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/15 04:32 PM
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at least tell him to get a paternity test on any children his wife has.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/15 02:46 PM
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I'm curious, what is your position on polygamy? Should we allow it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/15 02:38 PM
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The pursued is more choosy, the pursuer is less so. When women were the pursuer, they were less choosy. Men are the pursuer because by biological design, they are more sex-driven and the act of sex is less risk for them. Sex is not a symmetrical act in our species. When we have the technology to make sex a symmetrical act, you can take that study into account. But as it stands, women are more hypergamous due to reproductive design. TRP is just a bunch of pseudo-scientific bunk. Some of the later…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/15 01:30 PM
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Every country in the world agrees to one extent or another with me, they all modify capitalism I'm not interested in turning this discussion into a debate about pure capitalism right now. When I said capitalism, I meant real life, right wing economies like the one we have in the United States. Income inequality is exponential, but quality of life/utility distribution is not exponential, and in my opinion, actually very fair. I was born into a lower middle class family in New York City. The tri-s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 10:55 AM
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In that time we could conceivably get to the next star. We cannot. Nearest star is 4.3 light years away.
/r/TheRedPill25/05/15 08:49 AM
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Well, you're mixing up two things here "fair distribution" and "utility production". Capitalism is a good system for maximising the latter, but makes no claims to be maximising the fairness of the former. I think the distribution of utility (total happiness/satisfaction derived from participating in the market) is fair and ideal in capitalism. You say it's not fair enough. Utility is an abstract concept, so there's no way for either of us to prove our position on that front. I want to wrap this …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 08:24 AM
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Ok, you are putting aside the utility agprgument and going with the incentive argument, that is another argument. It's all interconnected, not putting anything aside. You are painting a picture of an exponential currency distribution, which is correct - that is natural in a capitalist system. But the corresponding utility graph is much more linear. And it is linear because the 100th guy who is making 200mil is only making that much by providing utility to everyone. That utility is much more fair…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 02:48 PM
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This is an efficiency distribution of utility in the economy for two reasons. Utlity in total would rise were 9/10ths of the rich mans income be redistributed to those with 0. The economy would sell 10 toyotas, and 0 Porsches with that cash... Total utility to economy 1000, although utility to rich guy drops 100. Profit ! Rich guy has that much money because of profit he got from selling 10 toyotas already. You want to take that money and give 10 jobless people Toyota's. Guess what rich guy does…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 11:10 AM
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but lack height Not good enough. Plz don't reproduce, don't need more short people in this world. Understanding trp means you should know, even though we live in civilization, women are engaging in natural selection through hypergamy. This should be a sad realization, but it seems you're happy about it and want to take it one step further into eugenics lol..
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 10:48 AM
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If you give 90% of the cash to the 1% then there is only 10% of the cash left to motivate the 99% of people who actually work. If the top 1% had 10%, then a meritocracy can truly function in the 99%. Typical failure of a leftist to properly grasp the concept of money within a hierarchy. Money is just a number. It's an illusion to keep people motivated. A billionaire's sports car might cost 100x more than your Toyota, but is it really a 100x better? Is it even 2x better? They're both good cars th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 02:39 AM
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Our sun is going to die at some point. Physics tells us there are hard limits to how fast we can travel so we will never be able to get far enough away. Even if we dodge earlier extinction events like ozone destruction or meteors/comets, we will still inevitably go extinct. Sorry to disappoint, but we will all be evolutionary dead ends, just like the dinosaurs. So, worry about maximizing YOUR happiness while you're alive instead of worrying about your genes.
/r/TheRedPill24/05/15 12:42 AM
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sexual dimorphism is a vehicle for sexual selection. We're talking about a futuristic scenario where technology can replace the role and importance of natural/sexual selection, so why would we still need it?
/r/TheRedPill24/05/15 12:37 AM
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The 'top' males aren't reproducing anywhere near as much. Although social controls are disappearing, they still kick in later in life. For the most part, upper/middle class people still get married to have children and money is a still a factor (beta bux dynamics), so eventually most men get to reproduce. We're not LITERALLY back in the jungle, so when you look at reproduction instead of sex, yes, it's not as brutal for the average man... yet. When you look at casual sex pre-marriage, it mimics …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/15 12:58 AM
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Nor do I really see red pillers approaching the matter scientifically. The basis of TRP is sexual inequality. It's a biological principle- sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive. That concepts leads to the 80/20 rule. The most reproductively successful woman can still only have one baby every 9 months. Therefore by design, it behooves her to be choosy - hypergamous. The most reproductively successful man can have exponentially more children, if he is allowed. Today's free market of sexuality, bought…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/15 10:24 PM
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Why is 'okay' that all females (who are fertile) reproduce and not all men? It's just the way it is. It's nature. And this is why TRP exists. There are more romantically unsuccessful males than females. How can that be? Because the 'top' males spread out their romantic activities among multiple females. Feminism has removed social controls like emphasis on marriage, slut shaming, etc and so the Chad Thundercocks not only take the 'best' women, but also take the 'average but still desirable' wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/15 10:07 PM
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So in the future we can forcibly correct sexual inequality since we won't need natural selection? In theory then, we should be able to equalize male and female sex drives, equalize SMV's (more or less), promote 'everybody belongs to everybody,' Brave New World-style and then boom - hypergamy and 80/20 rule gone. LOL Even if possible, sounds like thousands of years away.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/15 08:29 PM
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If women genuinely had sex drives equal to men and everybody's SMV was more or less the same and if we promoted a culture of 'everybody belongs to everybody,' (like in Brave New World), sexual inequality could be fixed.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/15 08:25 PM
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Marriage is a redistribution of reproductive opportunity so that every beta male has a chance to reproduce and have a family. Feminists want a free market where every woman can access cheap Alpha sperm and ignore the majority of the male population. We're not there yet completely, but in a few hundred years, this will happen. What's wierd is how Feminism falls under Liberalism, even though Liberals are the ones wary of free markets. I guess they are so blind they do not even want to see the basi…
/r/TheRedPill20/05/15 11:07 AM
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I think Brave New World is prophetic in many ways, but I think it will be a little different. There will be no need for beta's or omega's, robotic technology will take its place. So it's possible that we can just have highly genetically evolved humans with much lower variance between them- everybody can be an alpha, in a way. Resources should no longer be scarce and men's and women's sex drives can be equalized via technology so equality can be actualized. So you know all the biological and psyc…
/r/TheRedPill20/05/15 10:29 AM
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and asked them for sex, even offered to pay for it. The girl offered to pay money for sex? wtf
/r/TheRedPill18/05/15 05:03 AM
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How would you feel about being guaranteed healthcare for you and your kids for life. Giving your middle class kids the same chance to be healthy as the rich kids ? How would you feel about being guaranteed free university for you and your kids for life. Giving your middle class kids the same chance to be educated as the rich kids ? I used to be a pretty far left Liberal, until I came across the 'sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive,' idea. It was a monumental moment, the type of awakening that TRP…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/15 09:42 PM
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It's just a number. There is a cap on the quality of life money can get you. The difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is numerically huge, but the billionaire's life is about the same as the millionaire. And the difference in the quality of life between the average man and the millionaire can be substantial, but if you're willing to work hard, you can make that difference mostly a matter of name brand. A Lamborghini can cost ten times more than a Toyota car, but is it really ten ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/15 08:37 AM
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Read some of my post history, actually the post a few scrolls down on this thread is a good one. Tell me how you reconcile the 80/20 rule or 'sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive' idea with left leaning philosophy. Private message me back.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/15 08:27 AM
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female empowerment will lead to a world in which women and men won't be led astray by superficialities In fact it's the opposite. Here is a copy/paste of an old post of mine explaining how female empowerment + left wing economies lead to the average man not being able to have access to the average woman for sex OR HAVING CHILDREN. - from a political point of view, it's very tough to be leftist after TRP. socialism leads to a world where the average blue collar man does not have a good chance to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/15 06:56 AM
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stands for sexual market value So on a scale of 1-10 how physically attractive are each of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 02:43 PM
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What are the SMV's of this couple? curious
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 08:57 AM
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what is 'left' libertarianism to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 08:21 AM
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from a political point of view, it's very tough to be leftist after TRP. socialism leads to a world where the average blue collar man does not have a good chance to mate with his average pink collar female peer. Think about this - today being a middle class single mother sucks, but lets pretend in a hypothetical socialist world where everyone is equally rich (impossible, but lets pretend), being a single mother won't be that terrible since she's very rich and, I don't know, has robotic servants …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 06:02 AM
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so you reject trp, but you hate women anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 05:22 AM
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I lean heavily towards red, but I can appreciate a blue who falls under the 'PunchingMorpheus' persuasion, which accepts the evopsych basis of trp but rejects the solutions trp proposes as being an overreaction or unneeded and detrimental.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 04:13 AM
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Yes, everybody was equal back then... equally poor
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 03:58 AM
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Also, in more privileged communities, the alpha is a relatively harmless popped-collar, frat bro, douchebag. But in poorer communities, the alpha is a hyper-masculine, criminally inclined thug. When that type of alpha gets more female attention over a studious, hardworking black kid, it becomes a race to the bottom.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 05:38 AM
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I believe in gender differences If there are gender differences, but equality is enforced without taking those differences into account there will always be unintended consequences. The unintended consequence in the arena of relationships is the reemergence of the 80/20 rule. And the 80/20 rule explains everything else about TRP, including why it exists. About the 80/20 rule, I agree that if a guy does nothing, It sounds like you know there's some truth to it, but you don't want to definitively …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 04:54 AM
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There is a portion of trp, (arguably the biggest portion), that says the way to fix a jaded woman is to emulate her past cock carousel alphas or just appeal to her base sexuality by treating her like a child, being the dominant partner, being emotionally manipulative by holding frame and passing shit tests, making her jealous with dread game, AWALT, etc. These things I can see people taking issue with. It's controversial stuff. But you're saying you don't agree with the evolutionary psychology/ …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:48 AM
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Well I think it's an unhealthy mindset to be in. It's not healthy from a overall societal point of view, but if you can handle it personally, I think it's fine. But if a man or woman realizes this and lets go of their fantasy instead of yearning for it, then they become more tolerable. Sex positive feminism makes this more reality than fantasy. Even low end beta males can realize it through prostitution or sex tourism. And very ugly women can realize it by lowering their alpha standards so that …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:11 AM
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Sex positive, third wave feminism is the culprit, and the fact that African Americans were the least equipped, culturally, to deal with it. Asian immigrants had a very traditional culture that helped keep their daughters from becoming single mothers as much. Sex positivism is incredibly dangerous to the lower class. At least the upper class women are taught and have the money for birth control. So yea, blame the 'strong independent black woman who needs no man,' attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 01:32 AM
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I only see a similarity. You're absolutely right, the difference is only a little in degree (which is what I was trying to point out). But sure, you're right, both of them are not getting their instincts fulfilled when marriage comes around. But we've been comparing Chad Thundercocks and most women. What about most men? What about the average man who doesn't have an equivalent Vagina Carousel to ride and has to end up with a jaded wife? Trp is aimed at that average man who has some potential to …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 11:05 PM
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If you have a man who used to have a harem of hot women and then decides to marry, he also had experiences his wife won't be able to give him, won't he resent her as well? Is he not as fucked as an "alpha widow"? He is a 10 who is used to having multiple 10's, multiple 9's, 8's, some 5's etc. He has very little incentive to marry in the first place. But if he does, he can choose a 10. Yes, he'll still be settling since now he's restricted to one person, but its not as big a deal. He's a 10, he's…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 10:36 PM
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I'll tackle your first bullet point. You're saying if men found themselves in the same situations women found themselves in, they would also be (insert trp phenomenon). But there is no such thing as a Vagina Carousel in the same way there is a Cock Carousel. And the reason for that is men and women are different. By biological design, men are greedier for sex than women. That means that there is no Chad Thundercock on the female side. Chad Thundercock has sex with his aesthetic female equivalent…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 08:59 PM
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Look, you seem like a good guy and your advice and outlook is great, and I also have problems with some of the other red pill assertions. But, the 80/20 rule is a biological principle stemming from the fact that in mammals like humans, sperm is cheap and eggs are expensive. The 80/20 rule is not in full effect right now in our society because there are still societal norms and other limiting factors like the economy and, like you said, women end up marrying which means everybody gets somebody. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 08:11 PM
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Now that life in the West is safe and that monogamy is losing its grip, we will see how it starts to shift, You get it. Trper's complain about being beta bucks, but they don't realize that they should consider themselves lucky that they even get to marry and reproduce. As society becomes more affluent and technology makes life even easier, the sexual inequality becomes a reproductive inequality. Right now, being a single mother is hard enough that women still choose to get married at some point,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 07:50 PM
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women are not nearly as permiscous as RP thinks they are even when they have full social lisence to do so That's actually the reason why 80/20 happens. By design men are greedier for sex. Women's participation in it is the limited resource/service. If it's a free market with very few social controls (like today), then just like all free markets the distribution is very top heavy, where the most successful men get all the sex they want and the less successful get very little. Here is a copy/paste…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 06:51 PM
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can you explain why you think it's not true?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 07:54 AM
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alpha fucks, beta bucks is the optimal strategy for female mating from a hard logic perspective. These are the two prerequisites for this perspective - all women are attracted to attractive men and all women want the best for their children. asking for proof for this is like asking for proof for this scenario- when a woman is offered two choices between 100 dollars and 90 dollars, give me a peer reviewed study that shows ALL women will pick the 100 dollars. TRP assumes that women want a Alpha Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 05:19 AM
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I like that you are thinking of this from a market point of view. You are correct, if anyone is to blame from a market point of view, it is men. But here is the problem, there is a logical inconsistency when feminist types apply this over to the job market- instead of affirmative action initiatives in STEM jobs why not blame women for not having enough credentials?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 01:34 AM
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AF/BB: women are attracted to good looking men (Alphas) who they want to have sex with and Betas that they want to provide for them. There are no scientific studies which prove that all women on the planet follow AF/BB. You want scientific studies proving that women are attracted to good looking men? I think the better question you want to ask is what constitutes 'good looking' and 'attractive.' Are women attracted to toxic masculinity- muscles, strength, aggression, power, domination? Trp says …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 12:49 AM
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TRP is the most beneficial to someone like you. I think you're focusing on the wrong parts of it. You're paying too much attention to the field reports and the stories of spinning plates. Of course there are going to be assholes trying to get points for having sex on a forum about masculinity. 'I had sex with 4 women last week,' 'Oh yea, I had sex with 5, I'm more alpha!' Ok cool story, kids. Focus on the more intellectual based core of TRP - the idea that sexuality and women can be, in part, un…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 10:29 PM
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I have no problem with recognizing those instincts within us that have made us who we are. So you recognize our sexual instincts promote survival of the fittest? Do you recognize love and sexuality are connected and so love is connected to survival of the fittest? Do you find that unfortunate?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 03:55 AM
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Women are designed that way too. So no problem. Not exactly the same way, but more or less, yes..which I said in the second paragraph. But you have no problem with this? You have no problem with our mating dynamics still resembling our animalistic past? You have no problem with survival of the fittest? I, at least, tried to be apologetic about the male side of things in my post. But thank you for being honest, I always had the suspicion most feminists were more tribal then genuinely liberal, jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 03:12 AM
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This is just me personally - but being a man, I was always aware of men's flaws especially when it came to sexuality and on some level I 'hate' men too. I 'hate' that I and every man alive would find Megan Fox attractive even if she was a despicable person. I hate that the qualities of attractiveness for a woman is universal on some level. I sincerely wish my hindbrain was attracted to a woman's intelligence and sensibilities rather than her looks or youthfulness, but that's not how it works. On…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 02:03 AM
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I hope it satisifies your pre-selection. loved that. :D
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 05:34 PM
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where bitter ‘nice guys’ are ... Yes, trp is full of bitter, angry (nice) guys. Congrats on finally figuring it out. You won't find real Chad Thundercocks on trp. Trp is a place where intelligent guys came to a sad realization about humanity - that emulating some of Chad Thundercock is necessary when it comes to women. A lot of them had to figure this out after suffering personal tragedy and heartbreak. So yea, they're bitter and angry. People should already know this. On the face of it would ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 11:32 PM
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this is correct. trp poses certain information it believes to be true and allows the readers to decided what to do with that information. for example- trp says women are more ruthlessly hypergamous than men. the presentation of this theory/fact is amoral. the morality of the personal sexual strategies people settle for after accepting trp facts can be debated. so if someone reads 'women are hypergamous' and decides that rape is now justified, i would obviously say his personal strategy crosses t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 09:42 PM
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it's the degree to which the hindbrain thinks height is rewarding that is irrational. the preference itself might not be, but the degree of it's importance can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 09:02 PM
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his problem was basically pretty much exclusively caused by an issue you can't see or grasp true, i read some of his ramblings, and towards the end he described a scene where 'he was going to give society one last chance,' and went to a food court/gathering and wanted women to come to him without him doing anything. so yea, i agree that his problem was more so his inability to socialize. Was he truly a 2 or 3? No, he wasn't. In fact, had he been a legitimate charmer and people's person, he would…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 05:06 PM
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Not as much as forcing women to have sex with men they have no attraction to. no one's suggesting force. jane's are gonna have to settle for the joe's at the end anyway. in the meanwhile, joe needs trp so he can compete.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 11:09 PM
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it's a matter of where we draw the line. food might be a basic, but what about housing? we've more or less decided it is, and i don't disagree, but it's not really necessary for survival, technically. and today, lots of social services are not basics, they're extras but they're being funded by taxes. look, i'm not saying i have a solution, (though i would suggest to make sure the institution of marriage never fully dissolves so the incels have someone to marry at the end of the day, they'll be b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 03:11 PM
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because that was pre civilization, where men's sexuality was not controlled through the social construct of 'consent.' beta men reproduced by raping. consent leads to survival of the fittest on just the man's side. once again, sperm is cheap. the institution of marriage helped remedy this effect which is why the ratio dropped from 1:17 to something like 1:5 overall. but now as the institution of marriage dissolves due to feminism + overall affluence of society, we will go in the opposite directi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 03:04 AM
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sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive. the male's role in reproduction is cheap, the female's role in reproduction is expensive. this is a fundamental inequality you cannot change. this leads to sexual and reproductive inequality. marriage is a redistribution of sexual and reproductive opportunity. it is a restriction on female hypergamy AND A RESTRICTION ON THE TOP ALPHA MALES. as the institution of marriage is destroyed by feminism, we will return to these 1:17 ratios. in the scenario of the 16 w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 02:33 AM
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i edited my original comment. going from harsh realities to actionable advice is tough, but imo trp does the best job of it. and there are still debates about how to approach the mentality stuff correctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 01:58 AM
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How are you claiming independant goals while embracing social darwinism? social darwinism predicts the inevitability of competition. advice like 'define success yourself,' 'fake it till you make it,' helps us compete. trp is about embracing the reality of social darwinism and then switching gears and asking 'given this reality, what's the best advice for ME? on purely logical terms tho, 'defining success yourself' might not be alpha, and i think they discuss this at trp in the same vein as the '…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 11:59 PM
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i agree with a lot of this, but i still want to say that if you read my earlier thread about sexual inequality, the way it plays out, men at 3 smv cannot get 3's. they have to get 1's or 2's. and the 1's and 2's don't have anything left to get...until it comes time to get married, at which point things forcibly align into 1-1 pairings and they can finally get some by being the beta bux. but i still agree with you, elliot rodger fit exactly into what you're describing, he never looked for women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 09:37 PM
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you said radfems have a theory that Without patriarchy, the natural order would be like other large mammals and i agreed, without patriarchy we would act like large mammals in the wild. literally agreeing almost word for word, lol. but yea, have a good one !
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 03:08 AM
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oh, i agree. that is indeed why we have 'patriarchy'. in the absence of it, only a few men would have 'unfettered sexual access' to women. patriarchy = human civilization
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 02:38 AM
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you're saying radical feminism wants that type of world right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 02:19 AM
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if i was held back by the irrationality and fake altruism of people like you, i might be in trouble, but im not. so ill be just fine, thx for your concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 01:56 AM
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i had a thread up about this earlier. here are my thoughts on this whole thing after thinking about it for a long time- in the long term, there actually is a liberal solution - we have to wait for a Brave New World- a world where genetic engineering(designer babies) reduces the gross SMV differences between people and equalizes female and male sex drives. in the book, the social culture promoted the idea of 'everybody belongs to everybody.' this might be too liberal for current day liberals, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 01:39 AM
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as i thought, hard logic is too much for you to handle. its ok. i'll leave you alone if you want me to. You cannot be guaranteed sex by right because giving it to you would mean infringing on the rights of another. yes, it would be a difficult problem to solve, but doesn't mean it shouldn't be acknowledged. have you read the book 'a brave new world.' the book satirically proposed that technology would lead to a world of promiscuity, orgies and a culture of 'everybody belongs to everybody'. birth…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 01:30 AM
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and the original US constitution didn't let black people vote. how about you think for yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 12:47 AM
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clean water is necessary for survival. housing is not. sex is not. you drew the line after housing but before sex. if you can't handle logic, lmk and i'll stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 12:32 AM
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Sex and relationships are important physically and emotionally, but they are not required to survive. Having access to sex is not as important as, say, having access to clean water or having access to housing when you're in poverty. you don't need housing to survive. homeless people exist. Acting like this is the moral equivalent of the struggle to end the exploitation of labor is absolutely ridiculous. you think it's ridiculous because either you don't have the empathy to relate or you preempti…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 11:44 PM
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you can argue that, but my biggest point is that that argument is a right wing, free market one. usually liberals say free market outcomes shouldn't necessarily be considered moral. but here you are, saying 'everyone consented in this scenario, there was no force, so it is what it is'. in the economic world we force successful people to pay for welfare for less successful people to correct for gross inequality, liberals don't say 'it is what it is.' let me try to explain the free market aspect a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 06:26 PM
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i'm going to ignore the offtopic rants. (i pointed out that friendzones are not usually a female complaint to further the obvious claim that men are greedier for sex) so you don't believe that men are greedier for sex? that's a pretty dishonest interpretation of human interaction. google 'sex drive men women.' you'll find even feminist articles don't deny the overwhelming research, they just try to downplay the relevance. but my point in the OP is that it is actually very relevant since it leads…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 04:57 PM
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I think this post has some generalizations about levels of libido that just don't match up with the real world. ok, so you challenge the fundamental premise that men are greedier for sex? maybe you live in the brave new world where the Megans have sex with the Joes just as often as the Jacks have sex with the Janes, but the rest of us don't see this. we see men complain about the friendzone and feminists telling men that they aren't entitled to their bodies. i don't hear men having to tell women…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 01:32 PM
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ok, for the sake of argument lets take this article seriously. let's pretend sexual desire is a social construct (/facepalm). but the article admits that in the present day, men are more sexual. so from your perspective my premise should still be intact. now offer a solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 03:23 AM
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the reality is A men couple with A women, B men couple with B women, C men.. etc.. the entire point of my OP was that this is NOT the case before marriage. i can't explain it better than i did in the OP, so whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 03:11 AM
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more or less, you are right, the rape scenario wasn't a suggestion(lol), i was using it to show that full male sexual autonomy is CLEARLY negative for society. the initial scenario was to show how full female sexual autonomy is also negative for society, just not as clearly visible until you think about it. you're trying to compare the two and say the female one may be 'better' and it might be, but those aren't our only two options. its not just 'men get to rape whoever they want' vs 'women get …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 01:58 AM
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this might mean less long term relationships (i'm not an expert on that research), but if so, that's the nature of human sexuality. exactly. and if you don't force or encourage long term relationships we have a sexual free market, where the greedier sex (men) compete with each other over the limited sex offered by women. and the winners take vastly more of this limited service at the expense of the losers. as a liberal this should bother you. does it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 01:36 AM
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proof that women were more sexual than men in ancient greece because of the contents of a myth involving zeus and hera..... i thought this was a place for rational, logical debate. and even the author of this article admits men are more sexual in the present day, even she does not completely deny what she can see with her eyes, she just thinks its patriarchy's fault - cause you know, greek myths and what not..
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 12:37 AM
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i'm using american definitions. how is feminism promoting an unchecked sexual free market? and how should the sexual market be checked/controlled? the sexual market was check/controlled by the institution of marriage. but feminists have attacked it by saying that women are sexually oppressed in marriage, when the reality is men are just as 'oppressed.' the institution of marriage is a compromise by both parties for the sake of societal happiness. it ensures every man and woman get to mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 12:12 AM
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why do i care if one group has more power over another? because i used to be (still somewhat am) philosophically liberal. now can you answer my question? ill phrase it in a different way- liberalism is against the gross inequalities created by unchecked free markets. feminism is promoting an unchecked sexual free market. as a liberal this doesn't bother you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 11:38 PM
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so you are saying my premise of men, on average, being more sexual than women is faulty? do you truly believe that? how about this unrelated premise - men, on average, are taller than women. technically i don't have the data for the entire human species including every obscure country. does that mean this premise is also too faulty too proceed with in any discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 11:07 PM
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