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| 1 | Why do women (especially feminists) demand men lower their standards but refuse to lower theirs.Let's break this down again. You're saying that women have it easier because men have to worry about their height, face, and penis size while women have to worry about as many or more issues? Height Women are expected to be tall and short, simultaneously. Female models, who represent much of the media's presentation of idealized women, are expected to be about the average height of men- 5' 8" to 5' 11"- which is much taller than the average woman. This height expectation is also one of the reaso… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/16 09:58 PM |
| 0 | Why do women (especially feminists) demand men lower their standards but refuse to lower theirs.Women are expected to be tall, beautiful, with big boobs, a bangin' booty, a narrow waist, a clear complexion, long eyelashes, manicured nails, and no armpit or leg hair. Most of these are genetic as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/16 11:31 AM |
| 1 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .I can link stuff too pay attention to the 16 minute mark of the talk. And i would call it oppression but harmful attitudes. And i would call it oppression but harmful attitudes. That's a pretty great point in that talk though. Brown says very explicitly that "Shame feels the same for men and women, but it's organized by gender." Which highlights the fact that men and women both feel shame, but often for different reasons. And the reasons these things are different is because they're based on wha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/16 10:31 PM |
| 1 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .Also their is a great deal of talk about how men affect women in society but not lot aside from place like rp and the mrm on how women impact men. Except feminists talk about this quite regularly. That's seven links about the very issue from people who I'm pretty sure identify as feminists. First two pages of a google search on the topic. There's more, of course, but I think that's pretty sufficient to prove the point that there's certainly a consciousness of the oppression men suffer under our … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/16 05:31 AM |
| 1 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.It's really not. If I'm stranded in the woods, my problem is "I need shelter or else I'm going to freeze to death," the appropriate way to handle that problem is finding or creating shelter. If I need to get across the country in eight hours, the appropriate way to do that is to buy a plane ticket. If I need apples for my apple pie, the appropriate way to handle that is to ask my neighbor with an apple tree if they'd trade with me. Could I instead kill the park rangers and sleep in their station… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/16 04:27 AM |
| 2 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .look at environment behavioral psychology read gender delusions You mean "Delusions of Gender"? The book by Cordelia Fine in which she "argues that social and environmental factors strongly influence the mind, challenging a 'biology as fallback' view that, since society is equal now for the sexes, persistent inequalities must be due to biology. She also discusses the history and impact of gender stereotypes and the ways that science has been used to justify sexism."? Wouldn't environment behavio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 05:22 PM |
| 0 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.It's not. It's bad if alternate haircuts for men are underrepresented in the media, causing a bias against men who wear their hair longer for being less masculine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 05:15 PM |
| 1 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .it involves a men being vulnerable, b men takinf note of the matign dance, c men taking note of the appearance in the same way women do. A) I'm assuming here that you're referencing that TRP offers that men are frequently vulnerable in one area: that they must take the risk of rejection when they pursue romantic or sexual partners. Society tells us that men are the initiators and women must be approached. Anybody who initiates pursuit of a romantic or sexual partner. RP doesn't seem to consider … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 05:12 PM |
| 1 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.So that we can agree that your initial statement was incorrect and proceed with the actual discussion once we can agree that "Violence is a means to some ends." Then we can remark on why, if Violence is only one way to achieve some things, it is so often the prevailing solution in the Media's portrayal of male protagonists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 04:44 PM |
| 1 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .The post is very good at descriptive of correlation, because that correlation is obviously true. What it does not address is causation, which is the nature of our disagreement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 04:38 PM |
| 0 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.Which is why that's not the argument being made. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 04:30 PM |
| 2 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.Whoa, whoa. Wait a second. So now you're saying violence isn't the means to ALL ends? Whew. I'm so glad we're on the same page now! I was getting worried that I was being really violent for no reason other than because you refused to admit the hyperbolic absurdity of your assertion twenty comments ago. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 11:08 AM |
| 2 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.But you said violence was the means to ALL ends. Look, I killed all these people to ensure that it was okay to build my house. Which is cool. We did all that. The problem is that my house still isn't built. I'm just trying to build a house, brah. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 10:57 AM |
| 2 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.No, no. I mean, I need to know how to build a house, not commit violence. I already know how to commit violence. Didn't you see me kill all those people who said I wasn't allowed to build a house? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 10:51 AM |
| 2 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.Alright, I'll humor you. I've killed every person who says I shouldn't be allowed to build my house. So about that house building thing. How do I do that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 10:44 AM |
| 1 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.We agreed I can build a house. You seem to be very intent on me not building a house. Do you not want me to build a house? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 10:37 AM |
| 2 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.The social contract. So seriously, I have all this lumber just kind of sitting here. Should I, like, get a hammer? Somebody said nails are good. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 10:27 AM |
| 1 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.That's why I have obtained permission to build from my local regulatory board. So how do I build my house? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 10:18 AM |
| 1 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.I want to build a house. What means should I use? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 10:10 AM |
| 2 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.Brah, you serious? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 09:56 AM |
| 1 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.Why? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 09:54 AM |
| 0 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.No. Are you denying that consistently associating male heroes with guns, military haircuts, and jobs that revolve around violence influences people to think that heroic men are violent? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 09:47 AM |
| 1 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.Thankfully, being masculine and powerful is not the same as being a hyperviolent emotional cripple. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 09:27 AM |
| 0 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.The expectations of the male/female relationship dynamic are influenced by the media. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 09:01 AM |
| 2 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .So is not taking steps to influence a perfectly addressable problem by assuming it's unsolvable due to "biology". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 08:58 AM |
| 2 | CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded.The picture you linked is regarding common traits the media portrays as being important to male protagonists. Makes a living being violent. Media idolizes violent men. This is toxic, because it encourages men to be violent and that people like violent men. Biceps as big as your thighs. Media idolizes muscular men. This is toxic because men who don't fit that muscular ideal feel a lower sense of self-worth. Bald / Crew Cut Media perpetuates this fashion. This is considered toxic because it is str… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 11:39 PM |
| 0 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .But then ask women to work while men be the stay at home dads and continue to stay attracted to their men. Tell that to my forty-years married parents. My father is the eldest of eight children, so he had experience dealing with kids and when I was born my mother was making more money at the time. My father became the stay-at-home dad and my mother continued to work during the day. Labor was divided that way because that was the practical socio-economic scenario they found themselves in. It woul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 09:57 PM |
| 0 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .But even if they failed to perfectly eliminate it that was still the goal and the ideals they pushed on their kids. Minus the whole "accepting men performing traditionally female gender roles" thing. That's kind of important. A lot of early attempts at gender equality only focus on women filling traditionally male gender roles as "female empowerment" because we're socialized to believe that these are more difficult and that women are inherently inferior. Women being able to perform these roles w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 06:57 PM |
| 1 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .I am sure men would love to spend more time at home with their families, but until the issue of earning a living to be able to have a family (or even attract a woman) is resolved, we don't live in a society where people can have those choices all the time. It's important for us to realized that the two-person system of having a "provider" and a "homemaker" is not inherently sexed. Telling men that they have to be the breadwinner, and that they are less valuable if women make more money than them… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 06:38 PM |
| 2 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .The social construct having biological justification doesn't make it not a social construct. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 06:02 PM |
| 1 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .Women didn't demand "more women in daycare". They demanded less daycare. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 06:01 PM |
| 2 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .Whoa, whoa, whoa, so you do accept that some gender roles are socially constructed, but you think that something being biologically efficient and traditional is the same things as it being socially innate? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 05:59 PM |
| 1 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .You conclude that patriarchy is irresistible. I conclude that there was a completely understandable social backlash for teaching people to not spend time raising their kids and engaging solely in communal child rearing. That particular problem isn't about gender roles, that's about the rights of parents and the unforeseen consequences of all the children in a community being raised like siblings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 05:43 PM |
| 1 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .Seems like it's very difficult to get rid of gender roles. It's very difficult to get rid of any prejudice. That's why we have to, y'know, work on it. What does it say that completely removing gender roles requires this much effort and still fails as the kids spontaneously demand it? 1) The kids did not "spontaneously" demand it. 2) The section you quoted is specifically about the reaction of women not being allowed to care for their own individual children. So I will again ask for a section tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 05:36 PM |
| 1 | Why do women (especially feminists) demand men lower their standards but refuse to lower theirs.I think the "average girl" wants to have sex with someone who's smoking hot. That desire is absolutely not exclusive to either sex. To your first point, sex actually isn't the only basis of long term relationships. It's important for lots of people, sure, but I wouldn't care how hot my partner was if they were otherwise a jerk who didn't care about me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 09:08 AM |
| 3 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .If you did things like make the men take care of kids and women work the fields you are wasting literal man power. So? Are we seriously concerned about this in modern society? Are we so economically strapped that every able-bodied man needs to do physical labor for the preservation of themselves and their family? 'Cause I think we've pretty much got things taken care of to a point where an individual's desires and aptitude can play a significant role in the jobs they do, rather than whether they… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 08:59 AM |
| 3 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .Men and women are different thanks to biology. The discussion is about the social construct of gender. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 08:26 AM |
| 4 | Why do women (especially feminists) demand men lower their standards but refuse to lower theirs.Why is the second paragraph way off base? Compare how many women you know who wear makeup with how many men you know who wear makeup. Women are held to a higher physical standard. Men aren't socially pressured to alter the shape, contour, and color of their face through daily application of cosmetics. Not to mention the predominantly unattainable standards held up as the feminine ideal in media and marketing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 08:24 AM |
| 1 | Why do women (especially feminists) demand men lower their standards but refuse to lower theirs.I've never encountered the term before. My extensive research on urban dictionary tells me that this is a sexually attractive man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 08:19 AM |
| 4 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .I will continue to point out that in the example presented, the children are exposed to patriarchy through the bias of their parents and in interactions they have with the communities outside their Kibbutz. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/16 07:44 PM |
| 8 | Why do women (especially feminists) demand men lower their standards but refuse to lower theirs.A "chard" who has sex with a woman who is "not particularly good looking" is still choosing to have sex with her. It's not like he was uncontrollably forced to have sex with her because she's less physically attractive than him. He could, y'know, choose not to have sex with her. It's an option. Society generally socializes women to have lower physical standards for the men they pursue and for men to have higher physical standards for the women they pursue. This means, since men are socialized to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/16 07:38 PM |
| 10 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .The OP is suggesting that these communities successfully eliminated patriarchy and established gender equality and then naturally and spontaneously went back to patriarchy. I'm simply pointing out that they didn't successfully eliminate patriarchy or establish gender equality (not that these things are impossible) and that the OP cannot thus conclude that patriarchy is natural and spontaneous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/16 06:06 PM |
| 6 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .The patriarchy is not invincible, but it's been a dominant social construct for thousands of years. Changing that takes time and a very very broad counter-movement. That's not defeatism, that's the nature of progress. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/16 05:51 PM |
| 7 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .You don't need to be able to breathe chlorine gas and survive to test if something's oxygen dependent. You do have to see what happens with no oxygen. Because if you successfully remove the oxygen and find out that the subject continues to live, well, then it's not oxygen dependent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/16 05:43 PM |
| 8 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .They were deliberately created to reject those gender roles. Just because they were deliberately created with an intent to reject those gender roles doesn't mean they were successful in doing so. Rejecting gender roles is hard, because you can make a conscious attempt to do so, but they're also subconscious. Same with any other prejudice. Except the first generation didn't function as you describe. That came later. Can you quote the relevant section for me? I must have missed it. So then you're … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/16 05:02 PM |
| 20 | On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . .The answer lies in the conclusion of that section: "Also, although there was a 'masculinization of women' at one point, there was no corresponding 'feminization' of men. Women may have worked the fields, but men did not work in childcare." That's gender roles. You can't have "women can do everything" and "men don't do some things" and call that a society without gender roles. Not to mention that the men and women who joined Kibbutz communities in the first place came from a society firmly establ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/16 04:40 PM |
| 8 | How important is sex, really? And why?"Why is rape a serious crime?" Sex is an activity involving someone's body and people have bodily autonomy. Agreeing to engage in an activity (sex) is entirely different from having an activity you engage in forced upon you (rape). MMA fighters might agree to fight each other for practice or competition (sport). That doesn't mean that anybody at any time is allowed to just jump an MMA fighter on the street (assault) because they sometimes consent to engage in physical combat with specific people… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/16 09:39 PM |
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