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1	Why do women (especially feminists) demand men lower their standards but refuse to lower theirs. Let's break this down again. You're saying that women have it easier because men have to worry about their height, face, and penis size while women have to worry about as many or more issues? Height Women are expected to be tall and short, simultaneously. Female models, who represent much of the media's presentation of idealized women, are expected to be about the average height of men- 5' 8" to 5' 11"- which is much taller than the average woman. This height expectation is also one of the reaso…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/16 09:58 PM
0	Why do women (especially feminists) demand men lower their standards but refuse to lower theirs. Women are expected to be tall, beautiful, with big boobs, a bangin' booty, a narrow waist, a clear complexion, long eyelashes, manicured nails, and no armpit or leg hair. Most of these are genetic as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/16 11:31 AM
1	On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . . Also their is a great deal of talk about how men affect women in society but not lot aside from place like rp and the mrm on how women impact men. Except feminists talk about this quite regularly. That's seven links about the very issue from people who I'm pretty sure identify as feminists. First two pages of a google search on the topic. There's more, of course, but I think that's pretty sufficient to prove the point that there's certainly a consciousness of the oppression men suffer under our …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/16 05:31 AM
2	On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . . look at environment behavioral psychology read gender delusions You mean "Delusions of Gender"? The book by Cordelia Fine in which she "argues that social and environmental factors strongly influence the mind, challenging a 'biology as fallback' view that, since society is equal now for the sexes, persistent inequalities must be due to biology. She also discusses the history and impact of gender stereotypes and the ways that science has been used to justify sexism."? Wouldn't environment behavio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/16 05:22 PM
0	CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded. Which is why that's not the argument being made.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/16 04:30 PM
1	CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded. Why?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/16 09:54 AM
0	CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded. No. Are you denying that consistently associating male heroes with guns, military haircuts, and jobs that revolve around violence influences people to think that heroic men are violent?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/16 09:47 AM
1	CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded. Thankfully, being masculine and powerful is not the same as being a hyperviolent emotional cripple.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/16 09:27 AM
0	CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded. The expectations of the male/female relationship dynamic are influenced by the media.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/16 09:01 AM
2	CMV: If gender is a social construct, it cannot be deconstructed if it is still heavily rewarded. The picture you linked is regarding common traits the media portrays as being important to male protagonists. Makes a living being violent. Media idolizes violent men. This is toxic, because it encourages men to be violent and that people like violent men. Biceps as big as your thighs. Media idolizes muscular men. This is toxic because men who don't fit that muscular ideal feel a lower sense of self-worth. Bald / Crew Cut Media perpetuates this fashion. This is considered toxic because it is str…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/16 11:39 PM
1	On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . . I am sure men would love to spend more time at home with their families, but until the issue of earning a living to be able to have a family (or even attract a woman) is resolved, we don't live in a society where people can have those choices all the time. It's important for us to realized that the two-person system of having a "provider" and a "homemaker" is not inherently sexed. Telling men that they have to be the breadwinner, and that they are less valuable if women make more money than them…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/16 06:38 PM
2	On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . . The social construct having biological justification doesn't make it not a social construct.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/16 06:02 PM
3	On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . . If you did things like make the men take care of kids and women work the fields you are wasting literal man power. So? Are we seriously concerned about this in modern society? Are we so economically strapped that every able-bodied man needs to do physical labor for the preservation of themselves and their family? 'Cause I think we've pretty much got things taken care of to a point where an individual's desires and aptitude can play a significant role in the jobs they do, rather than whether they…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/16 08:59 AM
3	On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . . Men and women are different thanks to biology. The discussion is about the social construct of gender.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/16 08:26 AM
4	Why do women (especially feminists) demand men lower their standards but refuse to lower theirs. Why is the second paragraph way off base? Compare how many women you know who wear makeup with how many men you know who wear makeup. Women are held to a higher physical standard. Men aren't socially pressured to alter the shape, contour, and color of their face through daily application of cosmetics. Not to mention the predominantly unattainable standards held up as the feminine ideal in media and marketing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/16 08:24 AM
4	On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . . I will continue to point out that in the example presented, the children are exposed to patriarchy through the bias of their parents and in interactions they have with the communities outside their Kibbutz.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 07:44 PM
8	Why do women (especially feminists) demand men lower their standards but refuse to lower theirs. A "chard" who has sex with a woman who is "not particularly good looking" is still choosing to have sex with her. It's not like he was uncontrollably forced to have sex with her because she's less physically attractive than him. He could, y'know, choose not to have sex with her. It's an option. Society generally socializes women to have lower physical standards for the men they pursue and for men to have higher physical standards for the women they pursue. This means, since men are socialized to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 07:38 PM
10	On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . . The OP is suggesting that these communities successfully eliminated patriarchy and established gender equality and then naturally and spontaneously went back to patriarchy. I'm simply pointing out that they didn't successfully eliminate patriarchy or establish gender equality (not that these things are impossible) and that the OP cannot thus conclude that patriarchy is natural and spontaneous.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 06:06 PM
6	On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . . The patriarchy is not invincible, but it's been a dominant social construct for thousands of years. Changing that takes time and a very very broad counter-movement. That's not defeatism, that's the nature of progress.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 05:51 PM
8	On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . . They were deliberately created to reject those gender roles. Just because they were deliberately created with an intent to reject those gender roles doesn't mean they were successful in doing so. Rejecting gender roles is hard, because you can make a conscious attempt to do so, but they're also subconscious. Same with any other prejudice. Except the first generation didn't function as you describe. That came later. Can you quote the relevant section for me? I must have missed it. So then you're …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 05:02 PM
20	On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . . The answer lies in the conclusion of that section: "Also, although there was a 'masculinization of women' at one point, there was no corresponding 'feminization' of men. Women may have worked the fields, but men did not work in childcare." That's gender roles. You can't have "women can do everything" and "men don't do some things" and call that a society without gender roles. Not to mention that the men and women who joined Kibbutz communities in the first place came from a society firmly establ…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 04:40 PM