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Same, I'm 34 and get way more looks now than I did at 24.
/r/seduction28/07/26 09:49 AM
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OP never said anything about the age of the women he's pursuing. I'm almost the same age as OP and have also noticed a huge uptick in the amount of attention I get from women, and most of those women are in their mid-20s. So no, what you're saying is absolutely not true for every guy.
/r/seduction13/07/26 11:43 AM
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It's not always a trap though. Some people genuinely use Instagram and similar apps as communication tools more than they use an actual texting app / an app that would require exchanging numbers. I've had a girl offer me Instagram instead of her number AFTER we had hooked up. And then we stayed in touch via Instagram. It's not always a sign that she isn't interested. And even if she's not, you've got nothing to lose by taking her Insta even if it feels like a consolation prize. She may never res…
/r/seduction01/07/26 09:52 AM
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I mean, I kinda see their point. Especially when they're younger, average-ish women already get "doted on" by tons of men. The gap in perpsective and experience doesn't seem to be as wide between an average girl and Stacy as between an average guy and a true Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:51 AM
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When did "looksmatch" ever imply that you need to have the exact same features? It just means you're in the same league.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:46 AM
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How do you ever know you're not just another number to someone, regardless of their body count?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:49 AM
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I was literally quoting your earlier comment, where you were supposedly giving me an answer to this: what most men really want to know is how to separate themselves from the masses of mediocre options. But I guess I should assume that everything you say is an absurd non-sequitur.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:17 AM
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"Be better than mediocre" is not communicating implicitly. It's just being vague and saying nothing. The fact that you actually thought your statement counted as advice is laughable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:48 PM
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And feedback like this is exactly why dating "advice" from women is worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:41 AM
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I've pointed this out so many times, and unfortunately it always falls on deaf ears.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:37 PM
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Yep, agreed. Dating advice from women tends to skew more towards qualities and behaviors that are valuable if you're already in a relationship, when what most men really want to know is how to separate themselves from the masses of mediocre options.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:11 PM
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Not to be that guy, but it's "faze".
/r/seduction17/06/26 10:18 AM
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No idea about OnlyFans models, but there are a few porn stars with legitimately gorgeous faces, IMO. Vina Sky, Adria Rae, Eliza Ibarra, and Jezabel Vessir come to mind. At least in their primes. But it has been a while since I've watched porn regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:30 PM
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Key word: "British". I've been to the UK a few times recently and noticed this problem is particularly rampant there. Seems like every British guy is either single or has a girlfriend roughly twice his own circumference.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:09 PM
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Their behavior does reflect it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:26 PM
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There are definitely specific genres where sex isn't front-and-center. I don't think Rise Against's sound would mesh very well with overtly sexual/dirty lyrics. But in the bigger picture, when you look at extremely popular artists (like household-name level, more famous than Rise Against), you'll see that a lot of the music is super sexual regardless of the artist's gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:47 PM
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I get what you're saying. Even the super mid or flat-out unattractive women are picky as hell, especially when it comes to casual sex. So if a guy has to "swing for the fences" either way, he might as well swing for the fences with a hottie.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:11 PM
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I'm 34 and I get way more attention from mid-20s women than I ever did in my actual mid-20s. No one will give a fuck if a 26-year-old is going out and pursuing girls, especially if you're as attractive as you claim to be.
/r/seduction03/06/26 12:48 PM
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Is this really a looks-related question? Also, as long as your dick is within reasonable range of average, you should have nothing to worry about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:03 PM
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How, exactly? The calliagnostic characters in the story still have relationships and would (supposedly) reproduce. They just don't select their partners based on physical beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:12 AM
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One of my favorite short stories is about look-ism. "Liking What You See" by Ted Chiang. Synopsis: There's a medical procedure called "calliagnosia" that causes you to stop perceiving physical beauty. The main charater is a girl who grew up going to a school where calliaganosia was mandatory, and she gets it reversed when she goes to college, thus perceiving beauty for the first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:42 PM
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How long have you been on Reddit? I've been here for 15 years (under various usernames) and I remember seeing threads like that come up once in a while, even back then (i.e. someone posting on r/askreddit, "What can you get away with if you're attractive but not if you're ugly?)". I think the main difference is that the answers used to be relatively light-hearted, whereas now they're divisive and "pilled". People talked about lookism back then, too – they just didn't acknolwedge it as an actual …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:31 PM
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As a guy, I also would have assumed Henry Cavill was going straight into the "unmoggable" category. I'm not sure how it's even debatable. He's basically the only actor (other than Brad Pitt) to have earned the "name syonymous with handsome" reputation. Brad Pitt, Henry Cavill, and Matt Bomer are the only three who strike me as definitely unmoggable. The rest are debatable. And I see so many arbitrary picks in the other categories. Johnny Depp is a Chad but Robert Pattinson and Tom Cruise aren't?…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:32 PM
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Not necessarily trying to defend cold appraoching, but 3 times is a tiny sample size and doesn't seem like enough to make a conclusive statement about whether cold approaching works.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:09 PM
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I mean, sure. It's a waste of time to try to have any type of social interaction with someone who is categorically uninterested in interacting with you. You have to be able to read a room and look for indications of interest. If her general demeanor and body language are saying "I don't want to talk to you right now", then trying to force an interaction is just cringey. I think a lot of men are either (1) just plain bad at reading a room, or (2) not getting as many indications of interest as the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:20 PM
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Real Social Dynamics
/r/seduction25/05/26 05:32 PM
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Same, I came up with 11-12 or so for myself based on the rubric presented, but I also think I do a lot better than Average Joe in real situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:53 AM
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He's pretty good-looking. That one dude in the original thread is way out of touch with reality if he thinks that's a bad jawline.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:46 AM
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Pretty much every woman I've been with has wanted me to be rougher in bed with her than the stereotypes would have you believe. Many of them wanted it rougher than what I was comfortable with (slapping/punching, choking, etc.). Having said that, the "she wants it rough" part always followed plenty of foreplay and build-up. If a guy thinks he can just skip straight to the jack-hammering and call it a day, that's bound to be pretty lame.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:44 AM
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Usually, people resort to self-deprecation because they are fishing for compliments, reassurance, and/or they want to elicit pity, but pity is not sexy. If they're clearly making the joke to elicit pity, then that's not attractive. But I don't think most people who make self-deprecating jokes (at least those who do it effectively) are fishing for compliments/pity/whatever. When done correctly, humor is disarming. It shows a sense of comfort (what the red-pillers would call "amused mastery") in s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:16 AM
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I don't think most red-pillers are interested in long-term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:37 AM
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Sometimes it's annoying and cock-blocky. But in other cases, the friend group has had experience with pushy guys and feels the need to be defensive. Perhaps the defensiveness is often over-calibrated. But I can't say I blame women for this behavior. I've personally witnessed a ton of men who wouldn't take "no" for an answer and killed the vibe for everyone else. Stuff like this has been easier for me when the male and female group sizes were roughly equal. If I hit the bars solo, I know I'll do …
/r/seduction13/05/26 10:39 AM
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Yep, same.
/r/seduction12/05/26 02:37 PM
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If I had to describe it I almost get validation knowing these women check me out but I’m too pussy to approach them so I’m just satisfied with them stealing glances Are you me? I also had a major glow-up in my late 20s / early 30s, and when I go out to bars, sometimes I just enjoy the ego boost of having women make eyes at me or even move from where they were standing just to be closer to me or put themselves in my line of sight, etc. But I rarely have the courage to actually approach. Probably …
/r/seduction12/05/26 12:54 PM
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For whatever reason, I get a lot more attention and signals in real-life situations. As in, the number of women clearly interested in chatting me up at bars, clubs, etc. has always exceeded the number of matches I get on dating apps. It sucks that I'm also shy and awkward, just like OP.
/r/seduction12/05/26 12:22 PM
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Right... so my instinct wasn't so far off. You definitely don't need a face better than 6/10 if you're tall and jacked.
/r/seduction04/05/26 05:19 PM
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Instincitvely I want to say his face can't be "abysmal" if he's actually pulling women like that on a regular basis. I've never seen a guy get laid super easily without a decent face and some game. But maybe I haven't been around enough.
/r/seduction30/04/26 01:28 PM
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Lol
/r/seduction15/04/26 06:36 PM
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Damn. How flooded is your inbox by now?
/r/seduction15/04/26 05:27 PM
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Or my favorite line: "A man only goes for younger women when he can't get a woman his own age." Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 08:03 AM
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Hmm, I guess. "Your mileage may vary" type of situation. And people will definitely be less judgmental of you if you're still attractive and/or look younger than your real age.
/r/seduction02/04/26 03:21 PM
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If OP is well past college age, he might just look like creep for hanging around college students and trying to pick up younger girls. Sorry, but truth.
/r/seduction01/04/26 08:36 AM
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Sure, extreme kinky sex is not within the norm, but this topic very often is about something as simple as oral sex. Thank you for pointing this out. In recent discussions of this topic here, I think the debate has gone a bit off the rails because of a focus on super-kinky sex acts. But I think the way this problem usually manifests is more within the realm of vanilla sex acts, and where most would agree that the disparity reflects a difference in intensity of attraction or feelings. Like if your…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:59 PM
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I've never seen people claiming that women "owe" men specific sexual acts. The actual claim is that this inconsistency is a valid reason to leave a relationship. She's totally free to say no, whether or not she's done the act with other men before. But the man is also totally free to walk away from the relationship in response.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:43 PM
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I suppose, but I honestly still don't see the problem with it. I think it's very rational to be hurt by this sort of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 09:04 AM
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I think the portion of men who care about n-count is higher than people typically acknowledge, even if it's perhaps not literally 99.9%. You'll hear women say things like "My boyfriend has never asked me about my n-count, that means he doesn't care!", but I'm not sure this logic tracks. Surely a lot of guys have other reasons for not asking. The most obvious reason being that he knows he won't like the answer, i.e. he's just taking an "out of sight, out of mind" approach to his girlfriend's past…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 09:03 AM
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I wasn't even thinking in terms of hierarchy and ranking though. I don't see how anyone can willingly settle for a relationship in which they know they aren't getting the "full dosage" of their partner's desire, if you will. I wouldn't want to continue a relationship after finding out that my significant other has a wild side she was willing to show to other men but doesn't want to show to me. And on the flipside, I would understand if she wanted to end things over something I was willing to do …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:01 PM
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Yes, I'm aware of how much effort that is. And I'm aware of how worthwhile it is, because of how much fun sex is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:51 PM
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Another one: If she continues to hook up with other men after you've caught feelings for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:18 PM
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What actually matters more: n-count, or sexual consistency across relationships? Do the men in her past matter as long as she's being equally sexually adventurous with you? As I've gotten older, I've begun to care less about body count. But I think I would still be very hurt to find myself on the losing end of a "sexual inconsistency" situation. An above-average n-count doesn't have to be a dealbreaker. But if I found out she wanted it harder, faster, messier, wilder, and more often with those o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:09 PM
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As a guy, I used to care a lot about sexual history when I was young and inexperienced. But these days, I'm actually not sure I'd want to date a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:48 AM
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That night was 2 years ago, and I've only gone fully clean-shaven once since then.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 10:35 AM
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I'll never forget the first night I went out rocking a mustache instead of a clean-shaven look. I think I got more compliments from women about my looks in that one night than I'd ever gotten in my 30 years on this planet prior to that. Fellas, don't believe what some people say about women not liking facial hair. It's a lie. If you can grow it, do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:05 AM
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I've also never understood the appeal. The idea of getting even trace amounts of poop on my dick is enough to dampen my enthusiasm. I would probably do it if I had a partner who really wanted it, but I don't think I would ever try it for my own sake or for novelty's sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:46 AM
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In Europe, we've still got another 3 weeks of standard time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 04:57 AM
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I mean, sometimes it's just about venting. A lot of these opinions can't comfortably be discussed in real-life social situations. I've been reading this subreddit for like 10 years (and switching back and forth between lurker and avid commentor). I'm sure I've made duplicate posts/comments about the same issue before, and maybe some were met with eye-rolls from other users. I never really expected to change anyone's mind, but sometimes it has surprisingly led to fruitful discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:32 AM
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He's definitely a really good-looking dude, but I'm still surprised that the commenters aren't getting scolded for overrating. I've seen some people on that subreddit who seemed basically model-tier to me, yet the consensus rating never went above like 6.25.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 12:41 AM
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Chinese women... wanted threesomes? Why do I find that hard to believe? If you don't mind my asking: Where in China were you specifically?
/r/seduction14/02/26 05:00 PM
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I've been to Osaka and Tokyo but didn't find local women to be all that interested in foreign guys. Especially if you're just a tourist who doesn't speak the language. It was way easier to hook up with other travelers.
/r/seduction08/02/26 12:43 PM
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Wow, that's definitely not the answer I was expecting.
/r/seduction07/02/26 02:28 PM
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Interesting that you would put Japan in the "Easiest" category. Did you hook up with local women there, or other travelers?
/r/seduction07/02/26 04:27 AM
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But why do you have to wait until an hour before closing time? I've always had more luck showing up earlier and having more time to chat with people. Guys who arrive late in the night will probably just seem desperate to get laid and that's off-putting.
/r/seduction05/02/26 02:24 PM
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There's definitely a strong correlation betwen "young" and "hot". If a guy waits until he's past his 20s/30s to start having a hoe phase, then there's an overwhelmingly high chance that he missed his window to have sex with women during their peak years of attractiveness. Of course a person can be promiscuous later in life, too, but do you really not see why people would generally have a fear of missing out on their hoe phase?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 01:06 PM
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I agree that "being a hoe" isn't limited to one age group, but surely being a hoe is more fulfilling when the people willing to have sex with you are young, hot, and energetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 08:34 AM
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Maybe you're tired of hearing this, but 29 is still pretty young. I've had more fun in my eary 30s than I ever did in my 20s, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 08:33 AM
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Attention and/or followers on social media. Hence the thousands of profiles with nothing but an Instagram handle in the bio.
/r/seduction04/01/26 01:23 AM
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herd* mentality
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 04:38 PM
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Yep, I went through a huge glow-up around 30, and ever since, I've been one of those guys. I'm 34 now and by far the most attention comes from women in their mid-20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 04:35 PM
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There are certainly many men who don't care about sexual past, but I don't think it's true that "not asking about it" means a guy doesn't care. A lot of guys care about sexual history but also know that they can't show any outward signs of caring without getting labeled as "insecure". So while a guy may not outright ask you, he might still try to suss out what type of sexual history you have though other context clues / anecdotes about your past.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 11:09 AM
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Is this a troll post? On the off chance that it's not: I suspect you're being too hard on yourself. There's no way that early 30s is old enough to suddenly make you a universal turn-off among women in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:30 AM
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I have little faith in the ability of a young horny person to make good decisions, no matter how well-raised they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 05:15 PM
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The women who are into "older" guys seem to want someone just a few years older, like maybe 3-5 years older, with that age range potentially expanding gradually as the woman gets older herself. The complaints are usually directed at the guys who pursue relationships with huge age gaps and assume that college-aged girls will still want them when they're like 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:57 AM
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I wouldn't. And I never said I would. I was just saying that, by including "be attractive" as just one bullet point in the list, OP is kind of side-stepping the entire debate, isn't she? The concept of "being attractive" is the very concept we're trying to unpack in all this discussion. If "be attractive" is a reference to pure physical looks, then I think other commentors have raised a fair point when mentioning the disparity between the portion of women commonly rated as "attractive" versus me…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 11:31 AM
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I don't think it's possible to separate the two concepts from each other. Someone with high social status probably had to to be a "smooth operator" to even get to that point in the first place. And one aspect of having "rizz" is having self-awareness of how others perceive your social status and the ability to operate within that framework. For example, a heavily self-deprecating joke may come across very differently depending on how others view your "status", and awareness of this is an essenti…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 11:17 AM
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This man is 💫ideal💫 to me : 3 years older or my age (must be around my age and no more than 3 year age gab betweenus), 5cms taller, same socioeconomic level as my family, have a job (any job at all), be attractive (because yes I also need to be simulated if we are to have s) It's hilarious how you just threw "be attractive" in there at the end as a single bullet point. That's the whole crux of the issue, isn't it? The portion of men who are actually considered "attractive" by women is pretty sma…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:22 PM
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Not that weird though. Maybe she has multiple accounts and writes in a more stereotypically feminine-coded style on her other accounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:26 PM
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Same here, although I honestly have no idea whether my experience is even remotely typical.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:12 PM
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I think the objection raised against "passbort bros" is that there is often a fine line between passport-bro-ing and just flat-out sex tourism. If every single passport bro was on a mission to find a wife and give her a better life in a wealthier country, then the idea wouldn't be so controversial. But there seem to be too many passport bros who are not forthcoming about their intentions. Many of them want to travel to impoverished countries just because (they assume) it's easier to get laid the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 07:52 AM
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I get what you're saying. People will often insist that leagues are defined by "what you can get", but this definition only seems to crop up in tedious discussions about what the term "league" ought to mean. In real-world usage, where people talk about leagues "off the cuff", without thinking about the definition, they're almost always operating with a definition more like "expectations based on attributes", as you put it. Your league is the level of attractiveness that your peers / others in so…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 03:14 PM
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I think the whole concept of "throwing standards out the window for Chad" is just the narrative as told from the perspective of a less attractive guy. When a woman rejects a man, she's rarely going to come straight out and directly say "You're just not hot enough". Instead, rejection comes in the form of a series of deflections, vague responses, and other actions that are really just rejection disguised as boundary-setting. So when the rejected guy sees the same girl getting with Chad, his knee-…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 09:21 PM
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I'm not sure if earlier success is always better. I feel like late bloomers often have longer peaks. The trope of the "guy who peaked in high school and became a total loser afterward" is very true-to-life, in my observation
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 10:29 AM
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has to ask 100 women for sex You mean he literally approaches 100 strangers and just directly asks each one "Do you want to have sex?" It's not at all hard to believe that even the good-looking men in that situation would be treated negatively. I don't see what you're trying to prove... that men are oppressed because strange women aren't at our beck-and-call whenever we feel like having sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 03:08 PM
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I don't really see the point in framing this segment of the male population as "purgatory". Your hypothetical Jack character may not be dating women in the league he would consider ideal, but surely his situation is better than if he had never made those improvements. So why exactly, then, is his frustration deserving of special attention? What about all the men who put in the same amount of effort but were unable to even escape the "average" zone or below?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 04:53 AM
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but your last paragraph seems to show that you and OP are just describing two sides of the same coin, or "two cheeks of the same arse", if you will. Autistic women may be better at masking across the board, but when it comes to dating specifically, "better masking skills" are not giving women the advantage. Women are simply in a situation where their masking skills don't matter as much, because autistic traits don't hamper a woman's attractiveness / viability on the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 09:01 PM
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Who actually claims that it's "guaranteed" that ugly autistic men will be good husbands/fathers?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 08:42 PM
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ask for expect
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 06:33 PM
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"Nice Guys" has just become a type of shorthand for guys who have a desperate energy. Genuinely nice and confident guys do just fine.
/r/seduction14/10/25 09:22 PM
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Sometimes I get laid effortlessly ... and other times seem to feel invisible a.f. I think even stereotypically "hot" guys will still occasionally feel invisible. There is no individual guy who will be the center of women's attention everywhere he goes. I went through a pretty major glow-up right around my late 20s / early 30s and turned into a more stereotypically attractive guy (put on some muscle mass, got a better sense of style, lost my "baby face", could finally grow thick facial hair, etc.…
/r/seduction10/10/25 03:09 PM
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I think the joke usually goes "Her ankles behind her ears", like putting her legs behind her own head as a ridiculously obvious sign that she wants to fuck you. But the other commenter wrote "ankles behind your ears".
/r/seduction10/10/25 02:48 PM
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Her ankles behind YOUR ears? Maybe she's just trying out a new wrestling move.
/r/seduction09/10/25 04:08 AM
3

For real. The ego boost can be very enjoyable, even if nothing actually happens.
/r/seduction07/10/25 07:36 AM
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I'm also fairly attractive but very timid, and I know the struggle. Women show interest, but they expect me to break the ice, yet I can never bring myself to do so without a lot of alcohol or harder substances. And sometimes not even then. I wasn't very attractive when I was younger, so I still have the personality of the shy nerd who assumes no woman would ever be interested. It's funny how I used to think becoming more attractive would automatically mean pulling more women. But without a more …
/r/seduction05/10/25 11:58 AM
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This, absolutely. The difference comes down to "guy who happens to fall for a girl in his social circle" versus "guy who clearly joined social circle just to get laid".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 01:06 PM
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And how many of those matches are bots, scammers, ladyboys, and sex workers?
/r/seduction18/09/25 05:19 AM
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What exactly does "being 3rd or 4th in line" mean in this context? The girl will create opportunities for the men she actually wants to flirt with. When I see a girl who's already getting a ton of attention, I'll make eye contact with her occasionally but acting any more eager would just be cringey.
/r/seduction06/09/25 02:36 PM
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But do most of them actually find each other attractive, or have they merely decided that being with an ugly person is better than being alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 09:39 AM
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Key word: "feel" He might still be judging those women, he's just not wearing this judgment on his sleeve while interacting with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 03:02 AM
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but think about the opportunity cost of wasting months, possibly years I don't think I've ever heard anyone actively encourage a guy to spend months or years going after the same woman or small circle of women. I wouldn't ever want to date a woman who made me "chase" her for months and/or who didn't give me a chance relatively quickly after meeting me. The benefit of finding someone through your social circle is the degree of pre-selection involved. If you're introduced to a woman through mutual…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:13 AM
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Yep, I think this is what it really boils down to. A guy will feel more visceral attraction ("butterflies") when he believes he'd have a chance with the girl in question. Sydney Sweeney is hot but doesn't give off that "girl next door" energy. Not to mention that Saori is also clearly super attractive, even if this one photo doesn't show a sexy/erotic pose.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 11:42 AM
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As a guy, I'm not sure whether my viewpoint matters here or whether my n-count qualifies as "high", but I definitely haven't found sex to be more boring as a result of doing it with various women. And when it comes to "singling out favorite and least favorite moments", my favorite moments were ultimately just partners who weren't selfish and who showed enthusiasm. I tend to sort my past partners into just two categories: The ones I wouldn't ever want to fuck again and thus don't really think abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 11:23 AM
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Because the idea that "sex with men is contaminating" is more of an unconscious bias, not something people actually think about or talk about very often. Of course if you randomly asked people to describe sex, they wouldn't go straight for "contaminating" as a default. But if you asked men "Would you settle down with a woman who has slept with a lot of men before you?" or asked women "Would you date a bi-sexual man / a man who has slept with men before you?", the bias would come to the surface a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 01:54 PM
5

If anything, isn't GenZ having less sex than previous generations? So the average n-count for a 24-year-old would have been higher in decades past. But either way, 5 isn't really that high.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 01:48 PM
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All the women in that image are super mid. The third one is even outright ugly, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 10:55 AM
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I've heard of women getting kicked out of their homes for sleeping around... if the act of sleeping around resulted in pregnancy. If it was just "she's had a lot of boyfriends", with no further repercussions, that doesn't seem to matter as much. Vary rarely have I ever heard people openly slut-shaming women directly to those women's faces, but I've definitely heard a lot of my guy friends/acquaintances talking negatively about female promiscuity, especially when I was younger. Overall I do think…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 06:22 AM
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Sure, it was never just about lifting weights. But lifting used to be talked about a lot more frequently, I think. It's been a while since I've seen it parrotted as some kind of main pillar of Red Pill philosophy. You would constantly see comments like "If you lift weights regularly, you're already putting in more effort than 90% of men." And there was a general sentiment that, for most "AFC" type men, a workout regimen and meal plan was basically the only thing separating them from a whole new …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:23 AM
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They realized that "just lift bro" wasn't going to get them anywhere? Around the same time as the shift from red-pill to black-pill vernacular, I noticed a mysterious disappearance of all the rhetoric about exercise / being in good shape as a way to improve one's dating prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 05:49 PM
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Sounds like a long-winded way of saying "women have it easier". They don't have to deal with "putting in immmense effort for little reward".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 09:29 PM
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Because they're counting literally any form of interaction/ice-breaker as an approach.
/r/seduction15/07/25 06:53 AM
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just by going out and doing activities that one finds fun and being willing to talk to people. If you do this often enough, won't you eventually have a social circle?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 03:43 PM
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I guess so? I was never an outright party animal, but I travel quite often and frequently go out to bar/pub crawl events and the like. The glow-up also made it very easy for me to expand my social circle and I meet women organically that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 09:31 AM
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In all likelihood, you're not ugly. This girl was just randomly offended by... who knows what.... and she chose to take her anger out on your. Don't pay her any mind. Just get back out there.
/r/seduction12/07/25 01:12 AM
1

You linked to a comment that didn't explain anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 01:08 AM
1

Should a man not feel aggrieved / victimized if he hasn't done anything to deserve a "creep" label but is getting called a "creep" regardless?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:07 PM
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If we're talking about an "approach" in the way that a man would stereotypically approach a woman (i.e. being assertive in instigating a social interaction, establishing a rapport, being the first one to openly flirt, etc.), then I would assume most average men aren't ever on the receiving end of that type of approach. The female version of flirting is far less direct. It can be more fairly characterized as "creating opportunities for the man to flirt". And if we're operating on that definition,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:40 AM
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No, you didn't say that exactly. But you described their advice as toxic, and I guess I was just trying to add that, for many of those guys, the toxicity is kind of the point. They're trying to be the... I dunno... mysterious bad-ass who drives women wild. To the point where they practically consider terms like "boyfriend material" or "husband material" to be an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 08:50 PM
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In my 20s, I pretty much never got blatantly approached by any woman I would've ever considered sleeping with. This may not be the norm, but I went through kind of an insane glow-up in my early 30s. I grew out of my baby face, got a bit more muscular, finally was able to grow thick facial hair, and re-vamped my style. But since I didn't party all that hard in my 20s and mostly stayed out of the sun, I still have very youthful-looking skin. All of a sudden, I was hot. To the point where I do actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 08:46 PM
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Henry Cavil is also dating an older woman She's 8 years younger than him. Not exactly an "older woman". I would agree that she's not quite his looks-match though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 08:15 PM
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They might work on some women, but they aren’t your tools to have a healthy relationship with a stable long-term partner. But most red-pill guys aren't looking for that. Maybe "The Red Pill" has changed over the past decade or so, but I thought most of those guys were looking to become something more like pick-up artists, or like the trope of the "bad-ass jock who has girls throwing themselves at him". Emotional health/stability isn't a top priority when you're seeking casual encounters.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 01:34 PM
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Most "successful" approaches do seem to begin with an indicator of interest from the woman, not from the guy. Women will rarely start openly flirting with a guy. But if they're interested, they will create opportunities for the man to flirt. If you attempt to flirt with a woman who hasn't somewhat blatantly created an opportunity for you, then you're liable to be called a creep.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:55 PM
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At the end of the day, you're the one who offered up a celebrity as an example. I didn't twist anything, and your fierce defensiveness is rather telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 11:39 AM
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Yeah, I followed the thread... There was only one previous study, and to draw the same conclusion from that study would be bullocks as well. You haven't provided anything that actually supports the idea that men are prone to self-overrating while women aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 04:19 PM
2

So when men hold themselves back from arguing, they're "being unlikeable". Those are some amazing mental gynmastics you did there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 04:17 PM
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"This is totally what most women look like at 33" is shit you made up No it isn't. I never said that that was your claim. But you absolutely were trying to use her as "evidence" that 30+ women can still be attractive. And, like... yeah, they can be. But it's disingenuous to use celebrities in any sort of attempt at proving this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 04:16 PM
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I'd say the age of women I'm most attracted to has been increasing as I get older, but not at the same rate. When I was 18, I was most attracted to other 18-year-olds. Now, approaching my mid-30s, I'm most attracted to women in their mid-20s, like 25/26.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:13 PM
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I have... not found that to be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:09 PM
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You didn't say that explicitly. But you were using her as an example of how women can still be hot past age 30. Isn't that kind of similar to how some men mention famous actors as evidence that "men age like fine wine" or whatever? "Men can be hot when they're older... just look at George Clooney!"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:05 PM
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I can agree that "The Wall" tends to be exaggerated, but I also don't think famous people are good examples of aging patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 09:45 AM
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I don't think I could ever have anything long-term with a woman whose face I found unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 09:41 AM
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Sure, when I said "50" I was deliberately using a number that was way above average, just to reiterate my point. After the first few partners, you're not necessarily gaining new "skills". Unless, as mentioned, you're some sort of BDSM/kink enthusiast who specifically prides themselves on doing unconventional sex stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 03:44 PM
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Too many guys try to present themselves as asexual blobs I assume most of those guys have probably already tried being more forward / escalating sexually, but received some sort of negative feedback, like getting told they were being too creepy/pushy or making women uncomfortable. Out of all men who actually were sexually desirable, I've seen very few of them presenting as "asexual blobs".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 09:26 AM
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I've been participating in the weekly review threads, and most of the male profiles are pretty bad, with very uninteresting photos (too many boring selfies where the dude isn't even smiling, or profiles where like half the pictures are obviously all from the same photo session, just from diffrent angles.) But every once in a while, I'll stumble across a profile that makes me wonder "If this guy is struggling to get matches, then which male profiles are getting matches?" Like what does a successf…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 06:15 AM
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I don't necessarily disagree, but I also don't see how this is any different from women "eavesdropping" in male spaces. No one is going to be pleased with every unfiltered opinion they hear about themselves. What's the point of approaching the issue from this male-specific angle?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:40 PM
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I can't fathom why someone would find that guys' face to be ugly. What, if I may ask, is so ugly about him? He's got a full head of hair and his face is decently symmetrical. Seems like he's at least average? Maybe he could stand to be more fit / a bit less "skinny-fat" and his choice of facial hair style is questionable. But those aren't reasons to call him ugly, per se.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:28 PM
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Probably somewhat less attractive than this as I don't think dating app results are a reliable way of establishing looksmatches in most places Exactly. I think those two photos are comparable if we're judging raw physical looks on a scale of 1 to 10, but the reality is that that guy wouldn't have a very easy time consistently matching online with women who look like the ChatGPT image.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:20 PM
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Honestly, I can relate to the decision to avoid arguing in a situation where you're almost certain that your argument would be miconstrued. I don't think it's attractive when a guy appears unable to pick his battles. Sometimes "Smile and nod" is the optimal way to deal with dissenting opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:09 PM
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That's great, I'll include that in my rant. Any more context you can provide would be awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 02:38 PM
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Okay. But now I'm gonna go write a bunch of angry internet rants about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 02:29 PM
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Can I interest you in an average guy with a shrimpy dick instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 02:17 PM
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When did he say he was "being unlikeable"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:21 PM
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This was already addressed in the main post. OP said he felt unable to disagree because that would've meant admitting that he had few/no matches, which would make him less attractive in the eyes of the women he was arguing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:16 PM
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I think there probably are certain sexual "soft skills", for lack of a better word, that can be improved with practice. Communicating your needs/desires/boundaries, being more adventurous or open-minded, coming into the experience already knowing what sex acts you enjoy, etc. But it doesn't really take that many partners to figure all this stuff out. I wouldn't assume that someone who's had 50 previous partners would be "better in bed" than someone who has had 3-4 partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:27 AM
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But I don't always see the idea being presented with a feminist angle. I've also heard men say they wouldn't want to date a sexually inexperienced woman. I'm kinda neutral about the n-count issue overall and wasn't trying to pull a "gotcha" on either side. I feel like I've seen this assumption (more past partners = more skills) being made by multiple groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 04:00 PM
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Sure, but even with that in mind, I think people overestimate/overstate the correlation between n-count and sexual performance (however active or passive your preferred performance style is). You can become a "good performer" with few partners (or even just one), and on the flipside, you can rack up a huge n-count without ever improving any aspect of your performance. I'm not sure exactly how your point was intended to relate to mine. Are you saying that the principle of "more past partners = be…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 04:00 PM
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What are men talking about when we say "good pussy"? Satisfying sexual experiences. Good sex. I'm not saying women don't have preferences with regard to penis size, but "good dick" in this context is not about penis size or shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 02:12 PM
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Why do some people assume there's an inherent relationship between an individual's n-count and the quality of sex with that person? I'm not sure whether I qualify as a "promiscuous" guy, but I've slept with both high-n and low-n women and have never noticed any correlation. But for some reason, people talk about n-count like it has some huge effect on the quality of sex. As if a large gap in sexual experience / number of partners must imply a large gap in sexual "skills" as well. Here's the thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 08:16 AM
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I think women do care about penis size. The problem is when people jump to the conclusion that "caring about penis size" must imply "bigger is better". When people say that men care too much about penis size, or that men care about penis size more than women do, I think they're just referring to men who've clearly gotten their ideals about penis size from sources other than actual sexual experience with real women (with porn being the most obvious culprit). when women stop using "small dick ener…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 03:16 AM
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Scenario #1: 25M dating a 21F. How do people react to this type of relationship? "He must be pedophile" Do people really react this way? I think the criticism is mostly directed at the idea of a guy in his 30s (or older) going after barely-legal/college-age women. And even then, I don't think everyone has a problem with age gaps. The problem is with people who specifically look for relationships with a maturity imbalance because they want a partner who is easier to control and manipulate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 03:07 AM
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Sure. That's fair. I just don't think it means much lol But you also only provided one study. You said "every study" but then only gave us a link to a single study and a text excerpt from that same study. So you did pretty much the same thing as the person you're arguing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 11:48 AM
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Yeah, it's the man's problem if he misinterprets a platonic friendship as a sexual opportunity. I totally agree with that. But from a practical perspective, I still don't see how a single woman (especially an above-average-looking one) could take advice like "only be friends with people you aren't attracted to" and turn it into a positive force in her life. Like I said, she's going to end up inundated with nice-guy pseudo-friendships (that is, if she doesn't just avoid men entirely). I guess she…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:49 AM
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People should only be friends with those they aren’t attracted to. But wouldn't this approach be thrown off by the high number of men who attempt to make an advance on a woman under the guise of "friendship", only to become butthurt or outright hostile when rejected? Like, a woman can certainly set out to make friends exclusively with men she isn't attracted to, but unfortunately many of those men will hide their true intentions in the initial stages of friendship. A guy will initially pretend t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:42 AM
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I guess the "healing" part could be appliable if the girl recently left a really toxic relationship. Anything that helps someone move on from a shitty situation is akin to "healing", in a sense. Although I've rarely actually heard women refer to casual sex this way. And couldn't "finding oneself" basically mean "figuring out what kind of life you want to live"? You won't know what kind of experiences you want to fill your life with until you just... get out there and have some experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 11:32 AM
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Attempting the “reclaiming” argument simply doesn’t work when the topic of the song is “I’m so freaky. Isn’t that impressive?” Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 10:58 PM
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Ah, I had no idea. I guess I've fallen behind the times considerably.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 10:01 PM
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For a moment there, I thought "Juno" was referring to that movie about teen pregnancy from a couple decades ago and I was kind of confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 09:31 PM
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I can understand the logistical issues, but my lived experience does not tell me that super-tall men (like above 6'4") have a harder time getting female attention than a guy in the range of 6'0" to 6'2", or would need to "make up for it" by having higher facial attractiveness. The chart above seemed to be specifically saying that the standard for a "Chad" face is higher if you're 6'7" than if you're 6'1", which still seems illogical to me. Another commentor mentioned "wacky proportions" above a …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 06:15 AM
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Yeah, the effects of pretty privilege can be insane and even kind of infuriating, especially for those of us who have been at both ends of the spectrum and experienced both types of treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 01:09 AM
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I don't understand why the requirement for facial attractiveness would start to go back up beyond a certain height. So a guy who's 6'3" can be a Chad if his face is a 6/6.5, but a guy who's 6'6" needs to have a 7+ face? What's the logic behind that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 11:32 PM
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I'm a guy, but in my experience, most women can't necessarily tell the difference between "natty" and "juicy" and probably don't care. They just know when they see a body that is so out-of-proportion as to be less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 11:10 PM
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His shoulders/traps are so exaggerated that it almost seems off-putting. I can understand wanting to get "big", but why would anyone want such an unnaturally exaggerated physique? There has to be a certain size where adding more muscle doesn't increase your attractiveness and will come across as more "uncanny valley" than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 11:05 PM
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Interesting hypothesis. I'm not knowledgeable enough about the subject to flat-out disagree with you, but what exactly do you think these "shockwaves across the lookism culture" would look like? What does anyone stand to gain from keeping men in perpetual baldness?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 09:13 PM
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Talk to anyone who's ever gone through a massive glow-up, and in my experience, they won't sugar-coat the issue. I myself have improved my apperance quite a bit over the past few years. I thought my new, better-looking self would also be happier. But if anything, I've just become more jaded, because now I'm painfully aware of how superficial most social interaction is. I used to be jealous of good-looking people. Then I became good-looking. Now I'm jealous of people who are capable of genuine se…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 03:52 PM
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I don't think it would have ever occurred to me to call Joe Burrow "feminine-looking". Do most women really perceive him that way? His appearance strikes me as fairly stereotypically masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 03:10 PM
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Many of us already spank it to your comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 02:24 PM
5

Boy did I ever take "American-Mexican" food for granted when I was in the USA. German cuisine has enough to offer, I suppose, but definitely not on the spicy end of the spectrum. I've gotten the vibe that German women aren't all that open to dating foreign guys. Especially for long-term arrangements, they'd prefer German guys. But that's just my experience, I guess. I don't think it's an attractiveness issue, either. I'm decently good-looking and don't have much trouble breaking the ice with att…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 07:12 AM
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"Physical touch" is one, though, and wouldn't that include sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 06:50 AM
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I live in Germany, too, and have also found the dating scene to be kind of a let-down.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 06:44 AM
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It wouldn't even occur to me to give gifts to a woman just because she had been going on dates with me. I would only give gifts to celebrate an actual milestone, or maybe as a nice gesture if I stumbled upon a gift that reminded me of her. I mean no offense, but the woman in your linked video seems insufferable. She'd never get a second date with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 02:17 AM
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Why do you frame it as only women? Because that's what this entire thread is about: "women's aversion to dating bisexual men".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 08:33 AM
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Why does it matter how rare they are, though? That's not really the point. It's more about the logic behind justifications for avoiding them, and the double-standard that seems to exist between men and women when it comes to rejecting certain partners based on sexual history / orientation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 06:34 AM
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Care to enlighten us as to the actual reason, then? Why are women so averse to dating bi-sexual men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 06:25 AM
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I don't think women are attracted to outright misogyny. It's more that when the guy in question is attracative, women are more willing to blur the lines between traits / behaviors that signal misogyny versus those that signal abundance, social proof, pre-selection etc. etc. Nobody really wants to date a guy who clearly "puts the pussy on a pedestal", no matter how misogynist or non-misogynist he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:25 PM
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Respect. That has to be one of the hardest things about neurodivergence. We don't understand social hierarchies, and whenever our lack of understanding is put on display, neurotypicals get furious at us for reasons they can never really articulate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:56 AM
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At every gym I've ever been to, there were just as many women as men. Women just seem less likely to have a workout regimen that consists solely of lifting / gaining mass.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:57 AM
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I see your point. Ultimately I'm pretty neutral about the whole issue of n-count, so I'm not trying to pull a "gotcha" on either side. I agree that two people with such fundamentally different views on sex probably don't make a good match for each other. The most glaring one is the large gap of sexual experience. I've had promiscuous guys tell me how annoying it is to sleep with a virgin or low n count woman I'm not sure if I qualify as a "promiscuous guy", but I've had sex with both high-n and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:10 AM
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This. The young people who have the means and the desire to have house parties are already having them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:49 PM
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I mean, there are plenty of young people living in houses that have been converted into apartments, like 4-5 people renting one house together. Opportunities for house parties are bountiful. The problem seems to be lack of motivation and/or lack of social skills among Gen Z.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:46 PM
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I live alone in 65m² and it's more space than I know what to do with. Tragically enough, I'm far too socially awkward to organize a house party.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:43 PM
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I have a similar thought every time a thread like this is posted. I can agree that taking away male attention/simping/chasing would fundamentally give women an incentive to change. But how would this ever be done on a mass scale? One individual man can decide to stop giving attention to women, but for every guy who does this, there will be ten more simps willing to take his place.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:28 AM
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But why do "shared values" have to pertain to the other person's past? Why does it matter what type of lifestyle your partner used to live? A lot of guys will describe the issue the same way as you, i.e. saying it's about values/lifestyle and not insecurity. But at the same time, they're rather vocal about not wanting to date a woman who was ever promiscuous before in her entire life, even if her promiscuous phase ended 10 years ago. So I feel like the "lifestyle" explanation doesn't really trac…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 09:08 PM
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Since when do average heavy men look "good"? I can't say my experience matches up with your account.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 11:42 AM
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I see your point. I think there's a certain "push-pull" nature to the whole thing. A lot of men are, in fact, only using the apps to gauge their own prospects, i.e. they're swiping right on almost every profile just to see how many matches they can get and whether those matches are attractive. Women are aware of this and are thus compensating by swiping right on even fewer male profiles to avoid having more matches and messages than they could ever hope to sort through effectively. Somewhere alo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 05:40 AM
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If she's hot, then the guy will presumably be more aroused and will finish faster. Haven't you ever heard women talk about how some of them take "cumming quickly" as a compliment, because it means the guy was so turned on by them?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 04:47 AM
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What if the man has a really high n-count himself?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 03:23 AM
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and second because many of these men swipe indiscriminately just to see who will bite, which throws off the functionality of the apps for both women and men who are trying to use them properly. Dating apps obvoiusly don't share their algorithms publicly, but I remember hearing (years ago) that your Tinder profile will be penalized for swiping right on too many other profiles. So, supposedly, the men who swipe right indiscriminately are sabotaging themselves. As you said, most of those men are ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 11:31 PM
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You're a decent-looking dude and the haircut seems to work. But bro, I never would have thought you were "growing a stache" unless you had said so.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 08:59 PM
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To put it bluntly: No. I've met unattractive women who I could have been great friends with because of their personalities. But certainly not "fallen in love". The "old" part of your premise might have some flexibility, because when I was younger (like late teens or early 20s) I occasionaly felt attraction toward women who were in their 30s, i.e. "old" compared to me at the time, but objectively not very old. But now that I'm in my 30s myself, I rarely find myself feeling attraction toward women…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 06:48 PM
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I honestly found it hard to be turned on by her when looking at her sometimes I was down bad for her Is this not a contradiction?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 06:41 PM
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If you want a more specific answer, then I guess I'd say: Whoever directed this music video got it exactly right. In the shot you linked to directly (1:56 time stamp), the two most attractive girls are right in the middle and thus get the most scren time. They get less attractive as you move toward each end of the line. But the last one (so 6th one in the lineup) is the only one who isn't decidedly pretty. She has vaguely masculine proportions, especially her face.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 01:41 AM
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So why can't you just look at all the photos to determine whether guy is short? There's probably an equal amount of guesswork involved there as when determining whether someone is fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 01:03 AM
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Right, I think you have to interpret "average" in this context as something like "average relative to one particular social circle" or "the average within the sub-set of men that women actually pay attention to".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 12:55 AM
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Just as an aside: I wonder what portion of relationships actually have "penis size" as a foundational aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 12:53 AM
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But isn't that kind of the opposite of what that other commentor said? He said that men at 30+ won't get attention from young women unless those men happen to look very youthful for a 30-something. A guy in his 30s can still get attention from 20-something women as long as he looks like he could plausibly be in his 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 08:05 PM
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But if you keep yourself looking good, you can absolutely appeal to the 26-29 single crowd. This. I'm 33 and most of the women who show interest in me are in their mid-20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 05:20 PM
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Even if a woman is both "hot" and "easy", there are still a ton of other guys competing for her, so an individual guy has to temper his expectations based on the amount of competition. In most situations, it's probably more worthwhile to pursue a woman who's equally "easy" but more in the guy's own league. There are only so many "hot and easy" women to go around. but just have mental problems I don't think I would want to sleep with a woman if I believed that her only reason for sleeping with me…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 08:18 AM
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Why would "taking a leap of faith" with a stranger be any more advantageous than holding out for a vetted partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 05:31 PM
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Same. I actually don't think it's all that unusual.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 05:30 PM
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What kind of rating are you looking for if not numerical? Perhaps the cheerleader effect is playing a role here, but they're all clearly young and fairly conventionally pretty women. Basically a group of 7's, maybe with a couple skewing toward 6.5 I'm more interested in knowing what you hoped to get out of this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 09:35 PM
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I agree that "Ned" didn't pass very well from an aesthetic point of view. But isn't the "personality" aspect kinda the point of the revelation? In the news segment about this whole ordeal, Norah even says something about mistakenly believing that the ideal man was "a woman in a man's body", and over the course of the experiment she realized most women want something closer to a conventional masculine stereotype. So I think the mismatch in personality between "Ned" and "what women actually want" …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 09:05 PM
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As noble as it was of Nora to conduct this experiment (and to stick with it for so long), I was surprised when I watched the footage and saw how much "Ned" still kind of looked like a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 02:15 PM
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Since when does "running game" have to involve "fabricating facts about yourself"?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 08:33 AM
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It got me thinking, how far in the past does it have to be to be considered 'in the past'? At least long enough for reliable STD test results to come back, I'll say that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 02:18 PM
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What if none of his past partners are "baby mamas"? Does the number still matter if the man merely had sex with a lot of women, but with no lasting repercussions (no pregnancies, no STDs, etc.)?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 03:59 AM
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because it shatters their view of him being some hypermasculine alpha dude But is this not also a form of insecurity? Or at least, shouldn't it be considered "insecurity" if we're also going to call men "insecure" for avoiding sluts? When a guy gets turned off upon finding out about his girfriend's promiscuous past, for example, that's also just a matter of having his view shattered. He's confronted with the fact that his girlfriend isn't as innocent or chaste as he would like. And when he acts …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 03:54 AM
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If she's been your friend for "quite some time", then surely you'll already have some idea of whether she's attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 07:09 AM
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Why does this matter? Being so fixated on penis size is kinda weird, isn't it? I think most men would be terrible at estimating the size of female anatomy as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 06:00 AM
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I don't understand why love-bombing would be considered specific to one gender. As a guy, I've been love-bombed by women before, too, and the fallout wasn't nice to deal with. Is there an appreciable difference between "a man love-bombing a woman" and "a woman love-bombing a man"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 09:33 AM
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Disclaimer: I don't really have skin in the game here. I don't view promiscuity as an inherently good or bad thing. However, a few weeks ago, there was a thread where women were asked why they don't want to date bi-sexual men. A bunch of the most popular responses were basically "It just turns me off to imagine my partner getting fucked by men". Isn't this practically identical to the male aversion to sluts? Why aren't these women considered "insecure" for dismissing certain men as partners sole…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 09:24 AM
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Right, and I don't think "half your age plus seven" should carry any legal weight either. It's just a general guideline for social acceptability. Any larger age gap is bound to make a few people furrow their brows.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 02:27 PM
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Seems fairly intuitive. If you're 23, then 18.5 would literally be the cut-off point if we're operating on the "half your age, plus seven" rule of thumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 01:21 PM
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I've never met a woman (at least not a mentally stable one) who "preferred" men 20 years older than herself. A 10-year age gap may not be an insane stretch but even that usually only happens if the guy is exceptional in some way (remarkably hot or successful, etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 04:40 AM
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They're upset about the notion of women having really high standards for physical attractiveness but really low standards for personality, demeanor, and other non-physical traits. I'm not suggesting that this disparity is actually as huge as those guys are claiming, just that they're attempting to discuss two different types of standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 04:34 AM
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Right, but I wasn't really talking about a man's personal decision about whether or not to maintain friendship with a woman he's attracted to. I mean more the idea of sexual attraction invalidating the friendship altogether. Let's say a man has a platonic friendship with a woman but feels attracted to her. Obviously he can either say "I'll stay in the friendship and keep the feelings to myself" or "I can't deal with the feelings, I'm gonna move on". But in my experience, even if he decides to mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 10:08 AM
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But that's my point: Men and women don't seem to be aligned on this issue, and I think your view is the one that is stereotypically espoused by most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 08:33 AM
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Off the top of my head, I'd say most of them were between 5'10" and 6'2". I'm 5'11" myself, and the average height of those guys didn't deviate far from mine, perhaps with a slight upward skew. But I've also known taller guys who struggled due to anxiety and poor social skills. As I said in another comment: In no way am I trying to downplay the importance of attractiveness. I was just pointing out what I saw as the problem with a very absolute statement like "Befriending women will not make a di…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 08:30 AM
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And I think you just hit upon the actual crux of the debate here. The question shouldn't just be "Can men and women be friends?", rather it should be "Can men and women agree on whether sexual attraction somehow precludes or invalidates a friendship?"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 08:13 PM
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Personally I can't corroborate the "overweight / receding harline" part. I mean, it's possible for those dudes to be very social, but they've never been the ones slaying in the sexual sense. The "players" in my experience were average-looking at the absolute worst. I wasn't trying to downplay the importance of attractiveness and having your shit together. I was just saying that "Befriend women" isn't necessarily bad advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 09:45 AM
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The guys I've known in my life who were the most sexually successful, i.e. who never went without an abundance of single women around them, were pretty much always the "social butterfly" types and socialized with plenty of women they weren't hooking up with, in addition to the ones they were hooking up with. So I think the advice "Befriend women" can be helpful if interpreted as "Learn to be comfortable around women in any given social situatuion, no matter what the hook-up prospects are". It se…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 09:20 AM
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Men describe sex in violent terms like “blow her back out” and “pounding her”. I honestly think I've heard more women than men use the "back blown out" phrasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 04:45 PM
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Just spit-balling here, but I suppose it's a "punching down" issue. People don't assume that lonely single women are trying to control male sexuality, or that they would be prone to aggressive behavior toward men due to sexual frustration.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 09:49 AM
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I would put myself in the glow-up category. It has made me painfully aware of how much attractiveness matters and how shallow most social interactions are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 03:32 AM
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Never in my life did I stop to think “I wonder how this guy’s dick compared to the porn vid I saw last week.” But when people talk about "warped expectations due to porn" and whatnot, I don't think they're referring to the things you consciously think about. It might have something to do with age/generation and whether internet porn played a significant role in your sexual awakening. Anyone in the millennial generation and younger may very well have picked up some pretty unhealthy sexual ideas/v…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 04:37 AM
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As with most of these metaphors/analogies/what have you, I don't think every aspect has to match up with the real-life situation in order for the metaphor to be useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 12:21 PM
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding you slightly, but I don't think most men are all that concerned with coming across as "sensual". We want women to look at us and think "I'd fuck that guy". And although taste may differ across the female population, guys with lean physiques / visible muscle always seem to have a better guarantee that a large portion of the famale population will be lusting after them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:41 PM
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Maybe because, in the lived experirence of many men, fitness-maxxing seems to be a requirement for getting a lot of casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:38 PM
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Most people probably don't like the idea of someone else satisfying their significant other in bed. A lot of people are just annoyed by the hypocrisy of men who want to settle down with virgin / low-N women while not remaining virgins / low-N themselves. The guys who purportedly believe that female chastity is some "virtuous" thing without judging male chastity / sexual inexperience along the same axis. You don't even have to be a "slut" to earn disdain from many of those men. They'll resent wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:32 PM
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I set out to find myself. It turns out, I was under a large pile of guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:26 PM
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The same thought occurred to me when I saw the other thread about bisexual men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:57 AM
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weird and creepy to join a hobby group or a meetup event with the intention to try to connect with a potential partner and try to date. It's probably kinda creepy if you blatantly wear this intention on your sleeve. Established groups don't want to be infiltrated by dudes who are just trying to get laid. If you show up with a genuine interest in the group's activities and let connections form organically, I don't see why it would be seen as creepy or weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 08:18 PM
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Oh... but that article is from 2014. I was just confused by your "might soon join" phrasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 06:15 PM
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Charles Manson might soon join Ted Bundy, Richard Ramirez, the Menendez brothers, and other notorious killers in tying the knot while behind bars Charles Manson is dead. Is there a joke going over my head here?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 06:08 PM
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To be honest, I've never done super well with any age group on Tinder, at least not in Western countries. Even when I was 24, getting matches with lots of 24-year-old girls wasn't an easy task. Maybe it's due to bad photo selection, or maybe I just have the type of appearance that gets a positive resopnse from women in person but not so much in photos. Sometimes the Tinder gods just don't smile upon you... I've even had my profile reviewed by others before and the reviewers couldn't pinpoint why…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 12:03 PM
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I think this is one issue where "pretty privilege" is undeniably the single overriding factor. It's not about how old the guy is, rather it's about how old he looks. A guy who remains super attractive into his 30s can date college-age women and literally no one will give a flying fuck. But a guy who is the same age but with lots of visible outward signs of aging (bald, beer gut, damaged/wrinkly skin) will get told he's being predatory if he goes after women of the same age group. The older I get…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 06:50 AM
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Congratulations on posting such a though-provoking question. I can't be sure, but I'd say it's because of the way porn plays into the male fantasy and depicts what young men are desperately hoping sex will be like once they eventually have it. The unrealistic parts of porn are pretty much all skewed toward the "male gaze", all the way from the depiction of how easy it'll be to get women to want to fuck you ("Oops, my bra fell off, tee hee"), to the notion of women having leg-shaking orgasms afte…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 06:53 PM
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I think people do remember details and make some comparisons, but some users here tend to have an inflated sense of how much those details (and comparisons of them) actually matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 05:53 PM
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I'm not sure exactly how to go about changing your opinion, but I'll just say, as a guy who used to have that mindset, I don't find anything about their situation to be all that funny. A lot of them disapprove of promiscuity because of religious/cultural programming. And most of the others are just lonely and depressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 03:17 PM
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Believe me, I'm aware of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 03:13 PM
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Lol, my thought as well. Most penises in "monster cock" porn are like 7.5-8 inches, with the size being further exaggerated with camera lens tricks, forced perspective, tiny female porn stars, etc. Actual 10-inch dicks are incredibly rare, as are women who could comfortably have sex with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 06:16 AM
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The more sex I have with different partners, the more I begin to find n-count discussions to be kinda silly. I've never felt all that compelled to compare specific past partners to others. The sexual dynamic with each new partner feels unique. In terms of satisfaction, It's either "good enough for me to want to keep fucking that person" or not. And the quality is fairly directly correlated to the amount of effort my partner puts in.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 05:57 AM
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You have to see approaching/interacting itself as part of the means of filtering people out. You don't know anything about someone until you approach them, except what they physically look like. If you get "tunnel vision" and become fixated on finding a person who meets very specific criteria before you're even willing to talk to them, you're gonna have a bad time.
/r/seduction12/04/25 05:48 PM
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Are those very same women the ones who are giving you this feedback? If so, that's probbably what red-pillers would call a "shit test".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 09:25 AM
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I think, in a lot of cases, the reason is neither explicitly "lack of social skills" nor "because they're taught not to". They just don't approach because they know it won't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:42 AM
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There are absolutely women who do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:51 AM
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I actually don't think that's always true. She could be finding "vacation dick" candidates online, asking for dick pics, and then filtering out the men who don't measure up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 05:23 AM
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Also, the men who can enjoy "easy mode" in their 30s are usually the ones who plausibly look a bit younger than their real age (no significant balding / hairline recession, no wrinkly/sun-damaged skin, no "beer gut", etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:41 AM
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The oldest Gen-Z women are almost 30 themselves. A Gen-Z woman dating a guy in his 30s, especially early 30s, wouldn't be the type of huge age gap that red-pillers often try to pass off as normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:23 AM
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There is no "blue pill" dating manual at all, because "blue pill" isn't an actual set of beliefs. "Blue pill" is just "rejection of the red pill".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 12:42 PM
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In my lived experience, most people ultimately want someone with an N-count similar to their own. The men who want to hook up a lot and then settle down with a virgin aren't that common.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 12:20 PM
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It has never been about how old you are, but about how old you look.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:36 AM
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Leo seemed to be getting flak specifically for his pattern of dating girls in their early 20s (or even late teens) and then dumping them seemingly the instant they turned 25. Like it wasn't just a matter of "dating younger women", but doing it in a very shameless rinse-and-repeat fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 08:54 AM
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But a lot of former "hoes" end up cheating, too. I mean, I'm not saying a "hoe phase" is a bad thing, just that I'm not sure it really correlates with future infidelity as much as others on this forum would like to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 11:37 AM
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Knowing when to give up and move on to another girl.
/r/seduction27/03/25 04:52 PM
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There's some confusion about whether the "guy who can slay despite being ugly" is actually real and whether there are concrete examples. Ladies and gents, I give you Stavros Halkias. He's a stand-up comedian who, shall we say, does not meet traditional beauty standards. And I've often asked whether he is a real living, breathing example of the energy that unattractive men should be going for if they want to be more popular. What do y'all think?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 12:34 PM
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In the immortal words of Dave Chappelle: "If you can kill the motherfucker, then I can at least abandon him."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 07:17 AM
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“Starting the gym for women is perfectly fine”. Half of the comments were about how women don’t even like muscles, lmao. In my experience, conversations like this seem to happen because people don't realize that it still takes a ton of work (in both the gym and kitchen) to maintain a lean pysique with a modest amount of visible muscle mass. "Going to the gym a lot" doesn't mean you're trying to look like a bodybuilder, but nevertheless people automatically equate the two. You'll hear people say …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 12:37 PM
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slimmer than themselves A woman looking for a man "slimmer than herself" would be looking for an unusually slim man. So I think there's a pretty huge difference here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 12:18 PM
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Attractive women rarely go out without anyone else to serve as some kind of protection/support network. I've seen attractive women drinking alone at bars before, but I feel like they always turn out to be regulars who know the staff at that specific bar. If a guy tried any funny business with her, the staff would intervene and tell the dude off. Attractive women essentially have to plan their entire social lives around the eventuality of being hounded by creepy/aggressive men. She might go to a …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:03 AM
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I agree with a lot of other replies you've gotten, but I'll just add one thing. This "inconsistent" feedback probably just stems from the fact that dating is a selfish endeavor and ultimately no one cares about anything other than meeting their own needs. So I think a lot of those guys are just screaming into the void about not getting enough female attention. "Choose better" means "Choose me".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 08:26 AM
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Being yourself is the worst advice for a man who not doing well. Especially toxic incels. They're the worst. Stop being that. I don't think anyone who gives that advice is seriously trying to tell toxic-incel-types to keep being toxic. I wouldn't even say that "Just be yourself" means that you shouldn't engage in self-improvement and whatnot. Ultimately it just means "Don't try to be someone you aren't just to impress others". That kind of behavior is cringey, and people can see through the faça…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 08:15 AM
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But what's the difference? I mean, just playing devil's advocate here, but "alpha" is supposed to be a type social status, isn't it? So you can't really have that status unless other people in your social sphere agree that you have it. It's like if you say "I'm a leader". Like, you can make that claim, but if no one else follows your lead, then no, you objectively aren't a leader.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 07:18 AM
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I've literally never heard anyone claim to be an "alpha". I think calling yourself an "alpha" would make you look really insecure and would probably have the opposite effect of what you intended.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 06:57 AM
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Do people really need to be told this? Anyone who doesn't already see this is just super naïve. Obviously the apps are designed to make money, and virtually all paying customers are bound to be desperate men. You gotta assume that even the pricing itself is individualized based on how much the algorithm thinks it can squeeze out of you. If the app detects "desperate" swiping/messaging behavior from your profile, you'll be shown a different pricing model than a guy who swiped less or opened the a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 10:12 PM
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That's just nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 06:21 AM
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He wouldn't be buff though, would he? If he's perpetually doing physical labor, then there's no recovery time for his muscles to actually repair themselves and "gain".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 06:18 AM
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I think people would generally be much more receptive to this type of analogy if it was presented in terms of "salesmen and customers" (as you just explained) rather than "fishermen and fish". People get hung up on the whole "comparing women to fish" aspect and lose sight of the main point: the vast majority of (straight) women have no idea how to approach other women, no matter how adamantly they believe they could do it. Because "how to seduce women" is simply not on most women's radar. When y…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 08:47 AM
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I think the point is more that "asking women what they're looking for" won't really get you anywhere. If a guy wants to start being successful with women right now, the most reliable advice is going to come from other men who've been successful. If you ask women about this, you'll just get a smörgåsbord of answers with wildly varying levels of relevance and effectiveness, and then you'll have to go to the effort of sorting out all the bullshit. Because most (heterosexual) women have never been i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 08:35 AM
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I would assume any neurodivergent man who does well with women is either very physically attractive or he's going after neurodivergent women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 08:27 AM
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Hell, true Chads don't really have to "go to the gym" either. If you're tall with a handsome face, you can get away with being kinda out of shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:28 AM
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I don't get turned off when a woman displays interest, but I do get rather suspicious and assume something is "up".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:26 AM
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Most men who struggle probably don't have the required social skills to switch to an entirely different sub-culture. In my experience (which admittely may be rather limited) neurodivergent people don't really have an easier time fitting into any particular sub-culture at all, even the ones full of self-professed misfits and outcasts. In fact, those sub-cultures are rife with exactly the type of in-group social signaling that autistic people have trouble with. "Fitting in with other people" is li…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 07:24 AM
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Right, it doesn't actually matter whether women are better at masking. What matters is just that "being awkward" isn't a death sentence for women when socializing, whereas it absolutely is a death sentence for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 05:07 PM
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For a moment I actually thought I was looking at the Before/After of a transgender person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 05:15 PM
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I don't think men should be allowed to deceive unsuspecting women in this manner. Your outside needs to reflect the inside so that women can make an informed choice wrt your fuckability Is this sarcasm? Because if not, I genuinely have no idea what your point is or why you think this is possible. Whether a guy as a "fuckable" exterior is very often out of his control. And whether "the outside reflects the inside" is pretty darn subjective. Maybe your friend went all those years honestly believin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 05:12 PM
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I think it's because people are assuming there's a difference in motivation and reasoning behind the statement based on who's saying it. When a guy says "Women find most men unattractive", he often means something like "Women are only attracted to the top [X]% of men" or something along those lines. I don't think the statement is assumed to have the same connotation when it comes from a woman. People will rationalize her statement differently and assume she meant something like "I only have eyes…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 04:59 PM
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I suppose I agree, but I also don't know who exactly you're arguing against. I've never heard anyone say "Men are intimidated by [INSERT ADJECTIVE HERE] women" who wasn't just blatantly coping. I don't think men are "intimidated" so much as they just assume successful women are only looking for even more successful men. If I meet a woman who's way more successful than I am, career-wise, i.e. she makes way more money than me, I'm probably not going to approach her. But it's not really a matter of…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 04:35 PM
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In my experience, "unaware hotties" don't exist. Different hotties merely act unaware to varying degrees, but no hottie is truly, utterly unaware of their hotness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 10:44 AM
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Is this not normal? I don't see why anyone would consider randomly escalating and asking for the number if there's no chemistry. You did what any normal, respectful guy should do.
/r/seduction10/02/25 05:15 PM
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There’s no difference between genders when it comes to your right to reject someone. This may be obvious to you, but it's not obvious to a lot of people. That's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:40 PM
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Those women had low counts themselves, so it was likely a case of misaligned values and/or experiences. And as much as I hate to play the "what if the genders were reversed?" card, I think this is the perfect example. If a man broke up with a woman and said it was because of her high n-count and then added "This is a case of misaligned values", that would not be met with understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 02:11 AM
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I just meant that if you gain more sexual experience, you'll naturally stop putting sex on a pedestal. Having sex with someone you really desire / care about is absolutely a special experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 08:12 PM
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I agree that people kinda downplay the number of women who are into being lightly dominated in the bedroom. Whenever I've slept with a woman, whether it was a casual hookup or a long-term relationship, I went into the encounter assuming that the woman wouldn't ask me to do anything "violent" to her. But almost every time, she did request "violence" and was disappointed if I refused to take things as far as she was asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 10:58 AM
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Of all the guys who care about n-count, how many of them would stop caring entirely if their (hypothetical) girlfriends were giving them constant eyeroll-inducing orgasms and an overall "Let's tear up the sheets" bedroom experience? Does the number actually matter? Or is it just another manifestation of the "other dudes" boogeyman that exists in the heads of many men? You don't want other dudes in her past to have been better than you are. And you especially don't want this comparison to result …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:42 AM
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In general, yes, I have the same impression. The more people you sleep with, the more you realize that sex isn't that special.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:12 AM
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Just spit-balling here, but I think that might just be because sexually successful men have learned to keep their mouths shut about this topic, even if their views don't actually differ much from those of sexually unsuccessful men. I think many successful men still judge women for sleeping around, they just don't voice this opinion in spaces where it could be met with backlash. They've learned to "be cool" about it because complaining would compromise their chances of getting more action. But I …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:07 AM
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Yeah, I agree that the men here seem to be struggling for other reasons, not because they're overweight. I was just clarifying what I thought OP's main point was. The scarcity of fit people on all sides of the dating market can't be making things easier. Similarly to what another commentor wrote: I think people would be a little more willing to settle for average if "average" didn't mean "fat", as it unfortunately does in many parts of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:57 AM
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I'm not OP, but I interpreted the main point to be that insane obesity rates are throwing off the dating market, in a way. If everyone got skinnier, this wouldn't solve every problem on the dating market, but it would solve (or at least seriously mitigate) the specific problems which ultimately stem from "There aren't enough attractive people to go around".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 04:59 PM
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Most men have nice bodies That definitely depends on which region of the world you're in.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 04:52 PM
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Exactly. The boomer generation really "let themselves go" early on in their lives, I think, and that set the bar pretty low for what we consider to be an average or good appearance at a given age.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 09:31 AM
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Recently someone told me about a study that had some interesting findings: Apparently the people who benefit the most from "pretty privilege" are not the most attractive people. If you want to maximize the amount of preferential treatment you get based on your looks, it's better to be just good-looking enough to stand out, but not like model-tier hot. You should want to be around a standard deviation or two above the average. If you're really far toward the "hot" end of the bell-curve, there are…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 09:13 AM
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I think a lot of people fail to realize just how many men are in a situation similar to yours. I definitely think a lot of red-pill dudes tend to exaggerate with all the "men age like fine wine" stuff, but there is a sizeable, very non-negligible portion of the male population who peak in their 30s as opposed to their late teens or 20s. For many men, it just takes that long for us to grow out of our baby faces and actually look like men. I wonder if people don't see a lot of these men who are pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 08:14 AM
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I think I might be some version of that guy. The amount of women who initiate interactions with me makes me unable to deny that I'm not physically repulsive to them, potentially even quite attractive, but I'm very socially awkward. I suspect myself of having mild autism and I often can't really socialize with people unless I use alcohol as a masking mechanism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:59 PM
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Man aren't you speaking the truth. Throughout my 20s I was a relatively average-looking, average-height man with a baby face and extremely sparse facial hair. In my early 30s, I suddenly grew out of the baby face and was finally able to sprout a big bushy mustache. The difference in female attention, and female receptiveness to my advances, has been fucking insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:51 PM
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As a native Wisconsinite, I didn't expect to see any Wisconsin cities mentioned here. But yeah, if it's gotta be WI, then Madison would be the right place.
/r/seduction30/01/25 08:27 AM
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I'd love to go on a cruise if the odds are really that good, but I feel like somehow I would end up being the only guy in his 30s among a bunch of old retired couples. Any cruises where the average age skews a bit younger?
/r/seduction30/01/25 08:20 AM
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I haven't found there to be a significant difference in promiscuity, on average, between the USA and Europe. You can find girls who are DtF in both places. You probably had better luck in the USA specifically because your foreigner status gave you an attractiveness boost. Sexuality loves a novelty.
/r/seduction30/01/25 08:16 AM
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Women do date within their social circles but they were open to dating those men right from the very start. Exactly this. I think it's what people misunderstand about the whole "We started out as friends" trope. Most of the time, the couple didn't go from being totally platonic friends to being a couple. It's more like "We met in a context where there was some level of social vetting". Like the girl was introduced to the guy by her other female friends, so she was more open to his advances and f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:02 AM
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I've never gotten the impression that the "bar is in hell" and I don't get why people say shit like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 06:37 PM
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Yeah, I think a lot of guys who mention Asian countries for example haven't actually been abroad and don't realize how conservative/traditional a lot of Asian cultures are, especially when it comes to dating, sex, gender roles, etc. Having been to a few non-western mega-cities like Tokyo, Osaka, and Bangkok, I would say it's far easier to attract western women who are on vacation in those places than local women.
/r/seduction28/01/25 07:47 AM
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I'm horny.
/r/seduction28/01/25 07:26 AM
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I may be shifting the goalposts slightly here, but I think there's a difference between "peak physical potential" and "peak potential to get dates/sex with women". And most guys care way more about the latter. I'm a guy, 33 years old. Let's say I'm only 80% as physically good-looking now as I was at 23 (yeah, I'm pulling that percentage out of thin air, but whatever). On the other hand, the less physical qualities of myself have improved by leaps and bounds. I'm way more confident, outgoing, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:34 PM
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"Need help reaching that?" seems harmless enough. But "little cutie" is cringe.
/r/seduction25/01/25 02:39 AM
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paid for lunch when they were broke. If you actually went as far as to do favors like this, then I'd say your dynamic with those guys was pretty different from the stereotypical "hot girl / orbiter" dynamic that is discussed here. I usually get the impression that people here are talking about an unambiguous friend-zone situation, where the "friendship" is clearly a one-way street (i.e. one person making concessions for the other without any reciprocation), both people realize this, but neither …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 09:55 AM
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I think some people are just using poor phrasing when they give the advice. Obviously "hobbies" alone aren't enough to improve your dating life. The idea is more that you have to find some sort of niche where you can actually meet women and socialize with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 10:35 PM
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Not sure about "more" important, but I think a lot of people underestimate the role of body language, intonation, etc. After the interaction, other people are going to remember less about what you literally said and much more about how you made them feel.
/r/seduction12/01/25 06:36 PM
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may have leads "Hey, I know this guy who will pay for all our drinks".
/r/seduction14/12/24 11:31 AM
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This sounds like a great way to end up with a $250 bar tab and no pussy.
/r/seduction14/12/24 08:05 AM
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Yeah, of course. My point is that ONLY attractive, high-status men inspire actual competition among women. But men have to compete for pretty much all women, even the totally unremarkable ones. There's a huge difference. It's not fair to say "women compete with other women, too" as if it's anywhere close to equal between genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 08:50 AM
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I don't think the point is that women wouldn't be as sensitive about rejection, per se, but that women can get dates without ever having to confront the reality of what it's like to have your cold-approach shot down. Women don't approach mostly because they don't have to, not necessarily because of their level of fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 09:33 PM
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Women compete with other women for high-status men. Men have to compete with other men for average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 07:02 PM
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Yeah, I get your point. There's definitely a double-standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:45 PM
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In fact, I'd go as far as to say that many women probably go to those events specifically to enjoy the power trip of rejecting a lot of guys in rapid succession.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:40 PM
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"Putting yourself out there" isn't the same as actually being expected to carry the entire interaction and do all of the escalating in the way that men are expected to do. If just "showing up" counted as a form of initiation, there wouldn't even be a debate about it because everyone would agree that it's super easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:36 PM
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I definitely wouldn't recommend using Sharon Osbourne as an example of typical human behavior and attitudes. She is pretty much notorious for being a c*nt.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:35 PM
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Perfect response. I think all these people who refer to "teaching" are just overthinking it. Sex isn't rocket science. If inexperienced people tend to prefer dating other inexperience people, that's almost entirely for reasons related to shared values / lifestyle / etc. rather than the actual "skill" of sexual performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:31 PM
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A virgin might also not care. Caring isn't correlated with previous experience at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 09:34 PM
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How many abortions do you guys guess Trump paid for? I bet quite a lot. But people like Trump are always going to bend the rules for themselves. I don't think the number of abortions Trump has paid for in his personal life has much to do with whether he's going to make abortion illegal for the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 04:56 PM
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> but this is from older women with experience who do not want to train a virgin man to her level. Wouldn't an older woman with experience, of all people, realize that the number of past partners has basically zero correlation with one's "level"? Sure there might be a slight learning curve if the guy starts out as a total virgin, but if he's willing to communicate and has a desire to please her, he'll get up to the right "level" faster than a guy who has slept around a lot but doesn't give a fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 04:45 PM
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"Asking someone out" does seem to be kind of disappearing. Relationships either arise naturally through shared context / friend groups, or two people start hooking up and then just never stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 01:45 PM
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I think that description is just another way of re-hashing the same old issue of mismatched standards between men and women. But then OP's point, assuming I've read between the lines correctly, is that despite arguably increased standards that men are expected to reach, we haven't adjusted the way we talk about undesirable dudes to account for the fact that this group now includes a significant portion who are actually pretty normal and not the explicitly "Ew, hell no" guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 03:24 PM
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Is this just you personally realizing that older men have a harder time in the young singles scene? I don't think that line was supposed to be about specific men having a harder time as they get older. I think he's saying that the standard men were expected to reach in general used to be lower. Like, the archetype of "guy who meets minimum standards" has become gradually more Chad-esque over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 01:27 PM
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Your number "3" is showing up as "1" due to Reddit's auto-formatting. Just FYI.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:32 PM
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Fertility? If a woman waits until she's 35 to even start looking for "the one", she's not going to get pregnant as easily as if she had started having kids at, say, 28, which involves looking for a stable partner even sooner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:14 PM
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And what exactly should politicians be doing?
/r/seduction17/11/24 01:20 PM
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I feel like this could easily backfire. The less attractive friend might just think you're actually into her, and it's kind of a toss-up whether the more attractive girl will actually believe this has anything to do with her own SMV. She might just think "Oh, thank god that guy isn't hitting on me."
/r/seduction16/11/24 08:29 PM
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What is "just uncomfortable with it" supposed to mean if those people are not infantilizing you? If they viewed you as 100% capable of making your own choices, then surely there would be no feeling of discomfort or any perceived need to "look out for you".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 11:56 AM
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wasting 3-5 years on someone only to find out I'm just a "hang out" buddy, the free moving truck, the free mechanic.... Why on earth would it take 3-5 years for this situation to come to a head? If you meet a woman and she seems to be treating you more as an "orbiter" than a potential partner, you don't have to wait 3 years before ditching her. You can move on immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 10:45 AM
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Not sure how specific of an answer you're looking for, but it was at a bar in a medium-sized city in the Midwest, USA.
/r/seduction05/11/24 07:27 AM
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Same, I've had a woman decide to sleep with me less than an hour after meeting her. But it had literally zero connection to my "pick-up"/seduction skills. She said afterward that she was recently divorced and looking for a one-night stand. It was all about being in the right place at the right time while also being passably attractive.
/r/seduction04/11/24 09:22 PM
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Yes. There's a reason why even really handsome and charismatic guys consider a 1/50 success rate to be pretty good. Most approaches/conversations won't lead to anything, and I think acceptance of this is an essential step in crafting a confident "persona" so to speak.
/r/seduction03/11/24 02:39 PM
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Would you mind being more specific? What kinds of photos – specifically – are appealing to the female gaze rather than the male gaze?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 02:15 PM
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Was OP seriously hoping to find sympathy by starting with "I'm tall and handsome"?
/r/seduction28/10/24 01:21 AM
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Maybe asking for dick pics and using those to filter out the men who don't "measure up"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 01:34 AM
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I suppose, sure. Just seems like it's a lot easier for a woman to be content without a man than vice-versa. As if, somehow, "no man" is the default state for a woman and she'll only be willing to change this default state if a man comes along who can add something positive to her life. Whereas, for men, the default state is something more like "needing a woman". I mean it's not really a "need", per se, but I think you get the point. You can make the claim that a man only wants a woman who "adds …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:46 PM
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But I think the typical guy would consider a "high-quality" life as one that includes sex with a woman he's attracted to. I think that's the real difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 06:35 PM
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I think that's because "tight pussy" often has connotations that aren't related to physical anatomy. Many guys talk about "tightness" as though it's an indicator of a woman's amount past promiscuity, etc. It's less about expressing a want for "tightness" and more about expressing disdain for women who have slept around. So some people are just trying to push back against the misogyny by counter-shaming those men. And they do so by going after a trait that men are notoriously sensitive about: dic…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 06:08 PM
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I feel like, if you're in a typical "pick-up" environment, like a bar or nightclub, even 10 minutes is an unnecessarily long time. True receptiveness to your advances will make itself obvious within a couple of minutes, sometimes seconds.
/r/seduction15/10/24 02:50 PM
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In the end, the men who get a ton of attention online are the same ones who get the most attention offline. "You should just use dating apps" is advice given to men who probably don't have great prospects either way. This advice is just a relatively easy way to get those men to stop bothering women in real-life situations. Women just don't want to be bothered by men they're not already attracted to. Online dating is an easier (more subtle) way for women to reject the men they don't want, because…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 01:41 AM
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Wait, you mean if she isn't down to meet and doesn't give you her number in 5 messages or less, right? Because then I agree, but even that's just assuming her profile is legit. There are a lot of scammers who will try to move the conversation away from the dating app as soon as possible after matching. You can't always spot the fakes right away – I've matched with girls who seemed totally normal and led me on for literally weeks before revealing themselves as scammers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 01:12 AM
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Just FYI, it's spelled "faze" when it means "bother".
/r/seduction14/10/24 10:34 PM
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For real. Approaching a girl at the gym and complimenting her body would be an absolute mad-lad move from any guy who isn't, like, at least an 8.5/10.
/r/seduction14/10/24 08:17 AM
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The "golden age" of dating apps seems to simply be over as quickly as it began. I think there was a brief period where average-ish guys stood a chance of matching with enough real women for dating apps to be a legitimate way to increase your options. Now the number of viable female profiles is nothing compared to all the bullshit.
/r/seduction12/10/24 05:37 PM
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It's easier when the subject of the photos is more fit than 99% of men at his age, and probably much more fit than many younger men too.
/r/seduction30/09/24 09:20 AM
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The technology and infrastructure may have been available at that time, but I think the point is that it took mainstream society quite a while to "catch up" and start viewing the Internet as an acceptable way for "normal people" (whatever that means) to meet, connect, interact, etc. Or at the very least, it took a while before people started considering it acceptable for the Internet to be the primary means of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 04:15 PM
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Even in 2007, places like Reddit were "for nerds". Nothing like the mainstream status it has today. I discovered Reddit in college around 2012 and, even back then, a lot of people thought it was just for neckbeards or something. As in, a ton of "normies" still hadn't heard of it or would refuse to use it / engage with it, and it wasn't socially acceptable to say that you got a piece of news from Reddit when you relayed it to a group of strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 04:11 PM
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The belief that other women are into you.
/r/seduction19/08/24 07:49 PM
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By "grow out of being horny" perhaps OP was not talking about an actual decline in sex drive, but more of an attitude shift away from the "Gotta get laid no matter what" mindset that is characteristic of many very young men. A lot of guys will, by the time they reach their early 30s or so, have had at least enough sex to realize that constant pursuit of sex doesn't have to be the one main goal of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 05:43 PM
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The "neurodivergent" part kind of makes your complaint irrelevant to the vast majority of the population, doesn't it? Neurodivergence seems to be really over-represented on Reddit, and especially on subreddits like this, which attract people who are struggling with basic social interaction. And I'm not trying to be mean to anyone. I'm neurodivergent myself, but I can also admit that only a relatively small portion of the population is neurodivergent, or at least has a type of neurodivergence tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 10:23 AM
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I've always thought the weirdest thing about passport bros was that they felt the need to pretend they're involved in some kind of movement or revolution together. Not least because, as you point out, finding love abroad isn't a new thing – the difference is just that it's a bit easier for the Average Joe to travel these days. It seems like passport bros can only be shooting themselves in the foot, from a social standpoint, by drawing attention to what they're doing and to their specific motivat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 09:12 PM
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She didn't need any wheels to be the village bicycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 08:46 PM
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And somehow Nebraska chicks would overlook that? I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 08:23 PM
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I agree, especially with your first point. Back when I had only been with 1-2 partners, I used to get upset or disgusted at the idea of "my" girl having been with a lot of other guys. Now that I'm 32 and have a bit more experience, I think the idea of banging a virgin just sounds cumbersome and I would almost be more inclined to tell her to go find with a male virgin instead. She'd be more compatible with that other guy. I think most guys want a girl with a similar amount of experience as themse…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 09:02 PM
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I guess they view the "waiting until marriage" thing as a kind of shit-test. We constantly see people breaking their own rules to make exceptions for high-value / attractive people. Every limitation comes with the caveat of "unless I find you attractive enough". So if you have the limitation actually enforced against you, then you're being told indirectly that you're not really attractive, and no one wants to be pigeonholed in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 06:50 PM
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and oblivious fool that he was Is that pure sarcasm, or was he actually an oblivious fool? When I hear these anecdotes about top-tier Chads who constantly have women chasing them, the anecdote almost always seems to be accompanied by a remark about how the Chad was super naïve or somehow unaware of the full power of his looks. And I have to wonder how that can even happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 10:34 AM
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At least the faces change in the NFL. I can't say that even an average Joe like myself would enjoy fucking Gisele Bündchen if I had to do it thousands of times.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:53 AM
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Yep, the 80/20 rule applies recursively within itself. 20% of the top 20% are getting 80% of 80% of the attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:48 AM
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Geez, guys. Perhaps it would be nice to actually like a girl before youre in there licking her butthole. It seems to me that the whole "getting to know each other" stage has disappeared or at least become a lot shorter and less relevant. Maybe it's still possible to take things slow as a guy if you're in high school or college and naturally have a social circle full of single girls. But for anyone older than that, it's hard to escape the meat-market nature of dating apps, even if you don't use t…
/r/seduction30/07/24 04:57 PM
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Indeed, I've always thought the weirdest aspect of "passport bros" was how they all act as though they're involved in some kind of movement/revolution together.
/r/seduction27/07/24 11:09 AM
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Tinder does work... for people who are attractive enough to get the validation they seek. It’s just an interface that mirrors real life dating preferences But it doesn't just mirror real-life dating preferences – it amplifies them, as you say. That's not the same thing. Every aspect of dating that's just "a little askew" in real life is completely out of whack on Tinder. The gender ratio, male thirst, the "meat market" vibe, the amount of attention that gets lightning-rodded to the top, like, 2%…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 08:35 AM
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Yeah, true. It's often hard to tell whether "friend" means an actual close friend or just "someone I'm on friendly terms with".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 07:57 PM
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Because this is straight-up bullshit: women: "all my relationships started as friends first" I've literally never seen a relationship where the two people started as friends. And by "as friends", I mean a full-fledged friendship: two people who hang out 1-on-1 regularly and do platonic activities together. I think it's very rare for people to successfully parlay that into something sexual. There has to be sexual chemistry from the beginning. "We started out as friends" seems to actually mean "I …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:19 PM
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Exactly – social proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 09:14 PM
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I've never understood these guys who become "friends" with a girl hoping....eventually...she'll let them smash. Like...I know it happens sometimes....but if you want to fuck, that's how you approach. I think it's because most guys can't really be the "rando" who the girl wants to fuck immediately after meeting him. That status is reserved for a certain top tier of really attractive dudes. Below that level, guys have to do the next-best thing, which is to play the numbers game and expand their so…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 09:06 PM
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I feel like I've seen a movie about this directed by Mike Judge.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 12:27 PM
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When you’re attractive you’re paying with your looks, the moment you lose those good looks if thats why the person was with you, they will be repulsed by you. This seems like pretty severe "cope", as the young folks would say. Even if looks fade with age, I would still much rather be naturally good looking and get the chance to enjoy beauty while it lasts – and know what it's like to experience genuine, primal sexual lust – instead of the alternative. Seriously, what the fuck is "paying with you…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 08:14 AM
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We all pay more attention to attractive people and assume their experience is representative of what's going on with people who are not the same as ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:55 AM
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Sure, it's silly to assume you'll never be able to have good sex with someone just because that person is a virgin. I still think the two sides of this issue are talking past each other a bit. Many people on the "other" side here are simply saying that a woman who remains a virgin past a certain age is probably just not all that interested in fucking. And a guy is taking a risk if he thinks her sexual disposition is going to change solely because he marries her. Does he really think he has the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 10:28 AM
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I took that statement to mean something more like: The impact of dating apps has found its way into every facet of the dating scene. It's inescapable. Unless you literally become Amish, there's nowhere in the world where you'll be able to procure a dating life for yourself that isn't somehow influenced by the existence of apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 06:12 AM
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Because the average woman has a corresponding subset of men who genuinely find her hot and/or beautiful. She wouldn't get that feedback from every man, but she gets it from enough men to validate her and boost her self-esteem. The average man has practically zero women who deem him physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 04:04 PM
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I don't think women mentally separate men into "Alpha Fux" and "Beta Bux" at all. The "Alpha Fux"/"Beta Bux" divide is fundamentally based on the male reaction to the treatment those men receive from women, not on the innate disposition of women toward men. Isn't this question kind of similar to "Do men segregate women into 'Madonnas' and 'Whores' at first glance?"? Men don't intentionally mentally separate women into those categories at all. We don't walk around with a mental checklist for Mado…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 03:19 AM
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Yes, it's a valid reason. It's unreasonable to expect your partner to live a celibate lifestyle. You can't say "Be faithful to me, but also I don't ever want to have sex with you, sorry". But I kind of disagree about this being such a heavily gender-biased issue. People don't seem to think that a cheating wife is somehow more acceptable than a cheating husband. I mean, that's the type of viewpoint I've seen talked about on the Internet but haven't really heard in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 03:06 AM
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Do y'all think Stavros Halkias is a good example of the energy that unattractive men should be aiming for? Dude is pretty far from what I would call "genetically blessed" yet I have no doubt that he does better with women than many better-looking guys, and would likely do so even if he weren't a stand-up comedian. And for the record, I don't make this type of judgement lightly. I'm usually rather looks-ist and have never really believed in the trope of the "ugly guy who slays". But I'm finding i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 02:53 AM
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I don't see why it would actually matter what the first message is, though. If a guy on Bumble actually gets to the point of receiving messages from a girl he's attracted to, even just a handwave emoji, he's pretty likely to take initiative and carry on the conversation from there as though he'd been the one to send the first message. A girl is hardly ever lowering her odds with a guy by sending "👋" instead of something more detailed. In practice, the "women send the first message" thing always …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 07:01 AM
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Are apps like Bumble and Tinder actually reliant on interaction, or more on desperate men who pay for premium features in the hopes that this will boost their chances?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 06:33 AM
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And random acts of misandry aimed at men in general will do literally nothing to combat the problem or help protect women's autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:45 PM
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Same here. Just add a hint of self-deprecation and, without fail, the girl will downplay the age gap and tell me that I look much younger than my real age.
/r/seduction02/05/24 04:34 AM
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Well that's just silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 02:18 AM
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I'm not an expert on this trope, but I always assumed the manic pixie dream girl was basically a manifestation of how all these lonely, nerdy male writers wish they were treated by women. So it naturally follows that she has an n-count of zero before she meets the protagonist, and somehow meeting him awakens her unbridled lust for the first time ever. After all, she exists only to be subservient to the hero and his journey. Her own character arc doesn't matter and never did, so why would she hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 09:13 AM
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In what world does a wealthy Chad have "no social circle"? I mean, there are probably a small minority of Chads with neurodivergent traits, or something along those lines, who would struggle more socially, but I would think even in that situation, being a "rich Chad" would automatically give you a huge advantage in procuring a social circle for yourself if you really wanted one. The socially awkward Chad may not be living the full-on "going through women like Kleenex" lifestyle of the charming a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 08:52 AM
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I was including Millennials in that group, actually. At least people on the tail end of the Millennial generation. I guess they no longer qualify as "younger". Maybe I should have said "post-Internet", or at least "post-high-speed-Internet". Anecdotal evidence: I'm a Millennial guy and, out of the women I've been with, the older ones (who'd had a pre-Internet adolescence) were the least inclined to act like a porn star in bed. That's not to say they weren't enthusiastic or sexually adventurous, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 09:39 AM
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That seems to fit right together with the point about porn influence. I think a lot of younger men probably equate "good in bed" with "willing to do stuff I've seen in porn".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 06:14 AM
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I can understand being turned off by a woman because she's "too masculine", but I don't this would have much to do with the circumstances of her success like education, career, intelligence, etc. The "too masculine" part would be more applicable to her general demeanor and disposition. As long as she kept displaying attraction to me in a feminine way, I wouldn't lose my attraction to her. If there's any reason why I actually wouldn't pursue a woman who's more successful than me, it's because I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 03:49 AM
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Men use dating apps because it’s the easiest and laziest way possible to try and date. I think this was totally true back when dating apps were first launched. But nowadays, men don't use dating apps out of laziness, but rather are forced to use them because cold-approaching has become far less socially acceptable. Women are already getting all the dick they could ever ask for through dating apps. It's kind of like walking into a business and demanding a job application – you'll just get ignored…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 10:06 PM
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I love it when women add that line to their profiles because it lets me know that I can confidently swipe left.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 08:46 PM
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Woman. I simply can't imagine a man ever writing this. The whole notion of "everyone is intimidated by my education and career" is aligned with the typical hamstering done by lesser attractive women to rationalize why they aren't getting the type of attention they want from the caliber of men they want it from. No one has ever been "intimidated" by a woman's career. If she's above a certain threshold of attractiveness, she'll be the target of just as much thirst as any other woman at that level.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:19 PM
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If I had to guess, I would say it's a matter of race fetishization similar to that of the passport bros who go to Asia.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 09:59 PM
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Guys who travel abroad to expand their dating/sexual options. While there may be many of them who aren't doing anything wrong, they get criticism for a couple of main reasons: Unfortunately "passport bro" has become something of a more socially acceptable label for sex tourism, and sex tourists have been known to engage in unethical activities like prostitution with potentially trafficked victims. There are also the guys who claim to be traveling abroad to find love but are really just in search…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 09:15 PM
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I would have assumed the same at one point but I'm not so sure anymore. A lot of countries have negative reputations where tourism is concerned. Plus seemingly a huge portion of "Passport Bros" are themselves American, so if what you're saying is true, then there are lot of tourists out there who are the "worst of both worlds" in a sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 08:12 PM
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Maybe I've just been living under a rock, but this is the first time I've ever heard the term "try-on haul". Not sure about throwing the women in jail, but damn, this content really has no place on YouTube. I searched "try-on haul" on YouTube and the second video in the results literally starts out with visible asshole-behind-thong action. Dafuq... does YouTube allow you to show whatever you want as long as there's a disclaimer about "Educational purposes" at the beginning?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:31 AM
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Is that data based on what women say, or who they actually date?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 01:17 AM
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One individual man may have the power to stop giving women these "advantages" within his own life, but in order for an actual shift in gender dynamics to happen, men would have to collectively change their attitudes toward women all at the same time. Therein lies the rub. It's easy to say "Men are the ones doing it", but on an individual scale, every man is kinda "forced" to do it, simply because other men are already doing it. Male thirst is like a gas that expands to fill all social spaces whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 01:10 AM
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People in general downplay the advantages given to them by nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:50 PM
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I think this has something to do with the phenomenon described in another comment by the user Fun_Push7618. Men are conditioned to believe that getting a woman is supposed to be a challenge and that the man is going to have to take all the initiative. So when opportunities come easily, this seems suspicious and men assume there must be a "catch". While most men may not outright enjoy chasing after women, when the process involves a bit of a chase and the girl doesn't just fall into the guy's lap…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:57 PM
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Okay, then I guess my post is partly a rebuttal against those women, too. They do frequently claim that it's a matter of "manipulation", yadda yadda. And people who have less skin in the game, or are on the fence about the issue, are persuaded by that rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:41 PM
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I hadn't quite considered things from this angle before. This might be my favorite response.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:39 PM
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Is it really? I feel like most of the anti-age-gap-relationship rhetoric I've seen in my life has been aimed at any attempt by an older man to go after a younger woman, no matter whether it was long-term or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:36 PM
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meeting someone and organically falling in love What exactly do you think "meeting someone organically" involves from the male point of view? No matter how two people end up together, one person has to make a decision to actively pursue the other, and has to begin viewing the interaction as a romantic prospect before the vibe explicitly turns romantic, if that makes sense. And it's almost always the man who is expected to take said initiative and to bear all the risk of embarrassment if it turns…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 05:09 AM
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many men want a younger woman cause of their looks. "Many", but my point is just that it's not the primary reason. All the back-and-forth about older guys with younger girls presumes that the reason is either (1) that younger girls are easier to manipulate, or (2) that younger girls are hotter. I'm saying it's predominantly because younger girls don't want relationships. Any guy who wants casual fun is going to have to go after women the "party girl" age bracket. And I'm saying that IF slightly …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 10:13 PM
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"Relationship Market Value", as opposed to SMV ("Sexual Market Value")
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 02:01 AM
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WTF is this comment. There's absolutely no way that "fat" women have higher SMV/RMV than thin women. There is some variation among men regarding attraction to "thiccness", but the extent to which "thicc" is still attractive is massively exaggerated due to people being swept up in body positivity. Most women who describe themselves as "thicc" and adjacent terms are actually just fat, and they are considerably less in-demand than thin women. Where fertility is concerned, if anything, being overwei…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 10:32 PM
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Judging by my own firsthand experience and what I've seen from others, I think mid-to-late 30s is a phase where it all depends on whether a guy looks like he could still plausibly be in his mid-to-late 20s. As you said, nice skin and full hair are the key physical properties (in addition to the obvious "staying in shape"). If there are visible signs that he's "worn out" his body at all, then that's going to be hard for him to compensate for. Hair loss is gonna be a death sentence unless he has a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:58 PM
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4 years isn't that big of an age gap though. The age gaps that typically get the feminists whooping and hollering are more like 10-15 years or more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 06:02 PM
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I haven't noticed this. The idea of having sex and then immediately leaving is so weird to me. Even if you know you don't want anything serious/long-term with the person, it seems more natural to hang around for at least a couple of hours after the sex and "wind down".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 02:59 PM
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The "foreigner effect" is basically gone in Japan. You can only benefit from being a novelty in places where you are indeed a novelty. Every city in Japan is teeming with expats and tourists. Thus the standard for attractiveness/game/etc. that men (white men included) have to reach is more or less as high in Japan as it would be in any western country. Maybe 20 years ago things were different.
/r/seduction15/04/24 03:15 PM
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The sentence is written awkwardly, but I took "We left the bar and her friends together" to mean that the two of them went together and left "the bar and her friends" behind. I mean, I'm not trying to die on this hill. A lot of Reddit stories like this one are 100% bullshit, but I really don't think OP was talking about using the karaoke room for karaoke.
/r/seduction15/04/24 03:06 PM
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I thought the implication was that he and the girl smashed in the karaoke room. Although, having done karaoke in a few of those rooms myself, I can't imagine attempting that.
/r/seduction15/04/24 02:54 PM
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I'm 32 and I feel like I get more positive female attention than ever before in my life. I realize no two people will have the same experience, but there's nothing about being "in your 30s" that inherently means you won't have success.
/r/seduction15/04/24 02:50 PM
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My real-world experience does seem to tell me that "hookups" are mostly just relationships that never get off the ground, so to speak. The idea of waiting for [specific number] of dates before having sex just strikes me as awkward and a little outdated, although I suppose this is extremely dependent on region and culture. Almost every Tinder date, etc., that I've been on has worked basically the same way: If the date lasts more than a couple of hours, there is almost certainly going to be some f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 07:12 AM
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When the question is posed in exactly those terms: Yes, it's easier for women to get romantic relationships. But I think it may be, on average, equally difficult for both genders to find exactly the types of relationships/situations they really want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 09:39 PM
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Your first point says everything we need to know. Autistic traits are often perceived as "fun and quirky" in women but pathetic and off-putting in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 09:32 PM
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I'm a 32-year-old white guy. I've done a fair amount of traveling in Asia and, while I completely agree that the "bubble is bursting" with respect to white/western privilege there, I still do get a lot more matches on dating apps, etc., in most Asian countries than I do back home. But with a few caveats. Dating apps are flooded with sex workers and sugar babies in developing countries, and the "normal" women in those places will often want to vet the crap out of you before meeting because they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 10:43 PM
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As a perpetual "nice guy" myself, I've been grappling with this issue for years (decades, even) and still don't really have a satisfactory answer. I also suspect myself of being neurodivergent (perhaps mildly autistic or even Au-DHD), so that is inevitably going to influence the answer I give you here. Whenever I've actively tried to be less of a doormat, it has backfired. People just perceived me as even more of a whiny asshole than they had already considered me to be. Thus I think things like…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 06:43 PM
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I was so confused when I first heard about the "findom" fetish. Any woman who reaps the benefits of that is living life on the easiest of easy modes. If only I were a better actor, I would totally pretend to be gay and try to cash in the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 02:12 PM
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I guess that could happen, too, but I think it would be a stretch to describe the typical situation that way. As a slightly neurodivergent guy myself (not diagnosed, but I heavily suspect I'm mildly autistic or "AuDHD" as some people are calling it now to reflect the frequent comorbidity of autism and ADHD), I think there have been occasional situations in my life where women noticed my quiet, withdrawn demeanor and my lack of social engagement with other people and mistook me as the "strong, si…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 03:13 AM
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I'm not really even sure what your question is. Are you saying that, in theory, women should be attracted to autistic men because most autistic men were bullied as children, which would've caused them become assholes? And if stereotypes are to be believed, women are attracted to assholes? I would assume that autistic people are, pretty much by definition, incapable of navigating the social sphere well enough to be "effective assholes" in the way you seem to be implying. A lot of neurodivergent p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 02:20 AM
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What the hell is this /r/titlegore I'm seeing?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 02:06 AM
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People just don't like the idea of "women making the first move" as much as they believe in theory that they will.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 12:44 PM
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I think he's saying that some Passport-Bro-type guys are predatory in that they're not just looking for love or companionship – but specifically for a relationship where they have a power imbalance / the upper hand over their partners. And those dudes are a vocal minority who are the primary reason why Passport Bros are viewed negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 05:49 PM
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Many of the countries are richer than the USA? There aren't very many countries in the world with more wealth per capita than the USA to begin with. And most countries within that small sub-set are extremely wealthy European countries with populations of only a few million, like Norway and Switzerland. Any American guy who can "slay" in those countries can probably also "slay" back home in the states and wouldn't have ever been aggrieved at the dating scene enough to consider a passport bro life…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 05:46 PM
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I think it's about an imbalance in wealth/privilege that makes the "foreign woman" hope that the man will provide financial support / bring her back to his country. Depending on how badly she wants to escape her own country, she might be willing to put up with quite a lot. I think the commentor you replied to is pointing out that, unfortunately, there are some Passport Bros who take advantage of these circumstances to find relationships where they can get away with being abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 05:42 PM
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It was just the most convenient metaphor. My point is that "The Wall" isn't entirely about looks, as OP seemed to be implying. It's about a shift in priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 07:15 PM
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But biological clocks start ticking long before a person reaches their 50s. I don't think "the wall" represents a shift in power on the dating scene solely based on attractiveness. It's also about an attitude shift that can't really be measured in terms of physical features. It's the point where a woman realizes that she can't prioritize excitement if she wants to realize her goal of having a family, so she starts dating "safe" guys, with whom excitement is an afterthought. Compare this to men, …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:41 PM
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I mean, I'm not surprised in the slightest. When I read OP's title, that's basically what I expected the crux of this issue to be. Of course a man is bound to think more positively of women who've slept with him, and his memories of past relationships are bound to be more sex-focused. It's similar to the issue of more break-ups being initiated by women. Men mostly can't take sexual access for granted, so a man is more likely to stay in a sub-par relationship just so that he can keep having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:27 AM
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The number of people who can't distinguish between the singular "woman" and plural "women" is mind-boggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 06:41 AM
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Especially if actively done and re-enforced at a young age, and especially if this woman is attractive, it stunts her social and emotional growth, it basically keeps her at a state of emotional teenagehood for the most part. I wouldn't say I've actually noticed a correlation between attractiveness and stunted growth as you're describing. There are attractive women who've never left "easy mode", but there are many who have. Same goes for less attractive women. And the problem for any guy who has …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 02:51 AM
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There's always a bigger simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 02:44 AM
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Most men don't have "advantages" on the dating market to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 02:39 AM
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and reorient his ambitions to suit his reality Isn't this just another way of saying that his NBA aspirations are, in fact, delusional?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 05:20 AM
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I don't want anyone without a solid emotional connection forming, and for that to happen, you sort of have to fall together. It's like a gradual process that requires both people to participate for quite a length of time. If you are content with this, then that's good for you, but I think most sexually frustrated dudes want something with a slightly quicker return on investment. They specifically want to be able to move beyond the method of "spend time around each other for months before you fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 04:55 AM
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As a guy who has never been officially diagnosed but has suspected himself of being neurodivergent in some way, I agree and I think I've even seen women here (on both the red and blue sides) straight-up admit that autistic or "autistic-adjacent" behavior, if you will, is an automatic turn-off and just about the biggest ladyboner killer that can possibly exist. As hard as we may try to mask our symptoms, there will likely always be subtle cues that cannot possibly be masked, and people make judgm…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 11:10 PM
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I don't mean to change the subject, but are you, by any chance, German?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 10:54 PM
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God bless transgender women. Boy, are they ever taking one for the team.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 02:37 AM
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Um... no shit? I feel like this is the least controversial CMV ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:39 PM
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I think the problem is just that he was relying on a very old, very played-out trope about women in the kitchen / domestic violence, while forgetting to package the trope in any kind of unique, fresh, or interesting take. It's just such a basic, dumb joke and someone who has been given the chance to do his own Netflix special should have higher standards for his material. I'm not saying he should be canceled (or that I even believe in the practice of "canceling" comedians, really), but I think m…
/r/MensRights23/11/23 10:30 AM
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I've been keeping track of his material on TikTok for a while and I don't think I've ever seen him tell a joke that was "catering to women". I think he mostly talks to female audience members when he does crowd-work, but the majority of those back-and-forths just involve him teasing or straight-up insulting them.
/r/MensRights23/11/23 10:24 AM
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There was a study showing that beards are attractive, but only when most men don't have them. When beards are a fad, their effect on male attractiveness is mostly negligible, or they may even be slightly off-putting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:16 AM
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Занимайся диктейтормэксингом.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 10:21 PM
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A 30 year old man probably wants to start settling down and start a family He probably doesn't want to do that if he's the same guy who spent his entire 20s grinding away in order to turn himself into a more attractive prospect. If a guy is grinding that hard in order to make himself more attractive, it's probably because he explicitly wants to enjoy the "bachelor" lifestyle for a while and be one of the cocks on the cock carousel. He doesn't want to sacrifice all of his 20s for self-improvement…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 06:54 PM
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I'm not sure whether I'm actually expressing disagreement with you by writing this comment, but here are my two cents regardless: I take statements like "Women are attracted to smart guys" with a grain of salt, and I think it's similar to ideas like "Women are attracted to strong guys". There's not an exact linear relationship between "lifting more weight" and "being more attractive". When you unpack the statement, it's more like "She wants to feel as though the guy can fight for her and protect…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 11:26 AM
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People with autism are over-represented here, because forums like this specifically attract people who've got "an axe to grind" against the dating scene, so to speak. But that isn't to say that the effects of autism themselves are being overstated. It should go without saying that an inability to pick up on social cues is detrimental to a guy's pursuit of sex and romance. It's also worth noting that autistic traits can be exhibited by neurotypical people as well. Someone can exhibit just enough …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 11:19 PM
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I think it's a deliberately vague term based on the dominance hierarchies that are sometimes observed among certain animal species (and even then, the whole "alpha/beta" model is apparently outdated). Among humans, it's even more complicated and terms like "alpha" and "beta" are harder to nail down. I think they're only useful as a sort of heuristic, not absolutely pinpoint-accurate labels. We've all known people who were naturally domineering, confident, charismatic, not afraid to take charge, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:58 PM
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The "Chads" I knew in high school would absolutely complain about attention from women they felt were "beneath their station". But that was high school, we were all pretty immature. Since living in the adult world, I don't think I've ever encountered a Chad who complained about too much attention from women. Maybe the closest thing would be a Chad who complained about "chasing girls" being too much of a distraction from other things he wanted to focus on in his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:38 PM
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I guess the "greatest compliment" part has to be qualified with "in the context of women appraising his viability on the dating/hookup scene".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:34 PM
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I'm not sure about the "biggest compliment you can get" part, but I agree that the term at least implies that the guy is attractive, i.e. that he's above the threshold of attractiveness that divides the men who get female attention from the ones who don't. An unattractive guy who acts like a fuckboy is guaranteed to be called much worse things: "creep", "perv", "asshole", "r*pist", etc. He'll become stigmatized in a way that is much harder to overcome than "fuckboy".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:00 PM
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I'm not sure it's a matter of seeing the guy as "not good enough" for the girl he's going after. Most cock-blocking, no matter which gender or level of attractiveness, seems to be rooted in jealousy. The cock-blocker is trying to spoil things because they're butthurt about not being the one getting the attention. As a guy, whenever a girl has tried to cock-block me, it always became evident at some point that she was interested in me and had to resort to cock-blockage because she couldn't actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 07:38 AM
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All other things equal, yes, I think autistic women have a slightly easier time on the dating scene than autistic men. The type of "quirkiness", for lack of a better word, that is caused by autism tends to be more easily forgiven when women display it than when men do. I wouldn't rule out a specific woman as a potential partner just because she had autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 07:08 AM
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It seems more likely that you've met at least a couple of autistic women who just didn't tell you about their autism or hadn't been diagnosed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 07:01 AM
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You don't think the single NBA players are single by choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 03:46 AM
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I was about to post something about "sausage being made", but you made that point already and took the words right out of my mouth. People in this thread are denying it, but I think you're onto something. "Seeing how the sausage is made" is a reminder that the sausage had to be made in the first place, and didn't occur naturally in its current form. This matters in attractiveness because sexually reproducing species care about finding good genes, and not all outward features are the same in term…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 01:55 AM
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This video tells you everything you need to know: https://youtu.be/ZbG05ePWRQE It hits especially hard when you realize it was filmed BEFORE dating apps were invented.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:11 PM
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It's height and physical frame. She wants a guy who looks like he could protect her. As a result, that usually means more mass, too, although mass itself isn't the criterion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:08 PM
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There is no way you can conclude that someone is autistic based solely on their obsession with basketball and desire to succeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:02 PM
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You seriously think a significant portion of people with ADHD have better social skills than neurotypical people? That does not jibe with my experience at all. Every neurodivergent person I've ever known was far worse-off socially than the average neurotypical person. Depending on how it manifests, ADHD can make a person more chatty and impulsive, but that alone does not qualify as "good social skills".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:20 PM
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As someone who has never been formally diagnosed with ADHD but displays quite a few ADHD and/or ADHD-comorbid traits, I have to say that my "condition" (whatever it is) has not made it easier for me to socialize and I have always been a lonely person. ADHD manifests differently from one person to the next, so not every person with ADHD will come across as confident. And even for the ones who do, their experience is bound to take a 180-degree turn soon enough after meeting new people, once the st…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:13 PM
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Not if that degree comes with several tens of thousands of dollars (or even six figures) in student loan debt while also doing next to nothing for the person's job prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 08:46 AM
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6'4" would be a giant in most parts of the world, especially if the guy in question also has broad shoulders / a wide skeletal frame. But I generally agree and am intrigued by your point. I hadn't thought much about it before, but star athletes definitely affect each respective culture's notion of the ideal physique. NFL players are usually above average height, but even the ones on the shorter side are built like tanks (although PED usage is certainly a factor there too). Popular sports in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:17 PM
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I've never been to Mexico, but I have actually visited SE Asia and I honestly didn't get the impression that male height was a crazy big deal there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:04 PM
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Fair enough, but I've been on this sub since 2016 and despite all the arguments I've seen about male height, I've barely seen anyone directly addressing how this differs by region and the potential /r/USdefaultism going on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:03 PM
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It's a sub dedicated to sex/dating dynamics. What else did you expect, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 01:30 PM
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I might not be a thing everywhere, but I think you're massively downplaying the prevalence of it. A lot of women are very vocal about the fact that they will not date shorter men, like 5'8" or below. And then you'll see women who say they don't care about height, but then are still with men 6'0" and above. However, as I've said, my experience is limited to America, Germany, and then a few other places in the world where I've traveled briefly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 11:01 AM
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Now, due to inflation, it is 6'2 XD "Inflation"? Lol. Is that when guys lie about their height, so now the girls think a 5'10" guy is 6'0" and start demanding 6'2"?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 10:57 AM
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5 years ago nobody in the real world talked like that Key word: talked. But a lot of people still had those thoughts. The Internet has exposed us to each other's "locker-room talk", the type of stuff that used to be shared primarily among like-minded people and no one else.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:55 AM
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American men aren't really that short though. They're just a bit shorter than in many areas of Europe, but still not that objectively short. And my point was that arguably it would make just as much sense for European women to be obsessed with height, too, just with a higher cut-off that "excludes" the same portion of their own male population. I.e. if American women are obsessed with 6'0" or 6'1" or so, then why aren't Swedish women clamoring for a guy who's 6'4"? Height variation by region doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:50 AM
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What's I find funny is that 5'9" isn't really that short and is still significantly taller than most American women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:31 AM
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That was my suspicion, too, but I'm at a loss as to why. Before moving here, I would've guessed that the fixation on height was roughly the same, just with the bar being proportionately higher. So if the "magic number" in the U.S. is 6' or 6'1", then in Western Europe it would be 6'2" or 6'3" (or the equivalent in Metric, so about 187-190 cm). But what I've found is that the focus on height seems to be just less prevalent overall, and a great deal of the men I've seen with hot girlfriends are ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:28 AM
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That's funny, though, because the "cut-off" number for women who use the metric system is usually 180 cm, which is actually a bit shorter than 6 feet. It wouldn't be practical for metric users to round up to the next full meter as the cut-off point, since there are ridiculously few men who are 2m or taller. So I'm not sure I entirely agree that the measurement system makes a huge difference. There's enough evidence to show that, if European women really cared about height as much as American wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:20 AM
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Also what is considered average height in the United States can be considered tall in other countries. But that's the weird thing, which I mentioned towards the end of my post but it bears repeating: The average male height is taller where I live than in the U.S., but there still seems to be less of a fixation on height.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:09 AM
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“Researchers from Indiana University say that nearly 1 in 3 American men, ages 18 to 24, reported no sexual activity in the past year.” Is it really a surprise that "hook-up culture", whether it truly exists or not, would be limited to the more attractive and socially adept members of society? No matter how we define "hook-up culture", I would've expected the number of sexless young men to be at least 1 in 3, if not noticeably higher. I don't think "hook-up culture" needs to be defined strictly …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 01:42 PM
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a woman's SMV No one has ever claimed that SMV applies to women exclusively. It's something everyone has. It's just a piece of red-pill jargon that is roughly equivalent to "physical/sexual attractiveness" (the traits that primarily make you stand out as a short-term dating prospect) and is often contrasted with RMV (relationship market value; the traits that make you an attractive relationship/long-term prospect, but don't excite the opposite gender sexually). The point of using these specific …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 08:52 PM
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Confidence is absolutely not about "knowing yourself and what you want" and the assertion that that's the case has about as much depth and insight as the "Live, Laugh, Love" placard hanging above my aunt's toilet.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 03:15 PM
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And that would also apply to the girls who are just looking for a fling with Chad. They keep their profiles active long enough to find the right guy, and then quickly deactivate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 02:16 PM
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I think we would all be better off if we stopped putting each other on a pedestal, but I just don't see any practical way to turn this into a reality. If one guy decides to stop being a simp/orbiter and to stop giving a girl attention for nothing in return, there are always tons of other guys to just "fill the gap" and give her that same amount of attention and validation. People are simply far too desperate for a chance with someone above their own league.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 07:53 PM
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True, but nowadays people seem to act like online dating apps are the only socially acceptable way to approach potential new partners. Even when people do go out in groups, they seem to interact only with the people inside their group, with minimal interaction with strangers. I suppose you can still meet a partner "through friends" that way, but that is hampered by more intense vetting and pre-selection, IME. The "spontaneous meet-cute / hitting it off" concept is a thing of the past unless you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 05:58 PM
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I don't get how this is gender-specific. Pretty much all humans tend to pay more attention to attractive people and give them preferential treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 09:09 AM
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I had the same thought. I've never looked into South America but in east Asian countries (especially Southeast Asia), fairly average guys can get female attention without paying for it. Although this tends to be rather dependent on race. Still, it's an option for a lot of guys. I've never understood why a guy would travel to another country just to fuck prostitutes when regular women in that same country are already willing to have sex with him. I mean, going with regular women might not provide…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 10:23 AM
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Your questions can be answered by the fact that the most talked-about women aren't usually the perfect tens. They're actually the "girl next door" type because we as men get turned on when we feel like we have a (at least slight/moderate) chance with the girl. Not saying that any redditors would've had a chance with Jennifer Connelly in the 90s – just that it helps with there's an aura of accessibility surrounding the girl. True 10/10 people, simply by their nature, don't seem accessible to most…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:01 AM
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Exactly. "Love bombing" is a control/manipulation tactic and isn't really the same as just "coming on too strong".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:55 PM
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"Best friend who I can fuck for the rest of my life" isn't a FWB situation. The guy who wrote that was describing a long-term, "happily ever after" relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 02:12 PM
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We can eat less. We just don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 06:01 PM
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I think a guy in his 30s, especially early/mid-30s, can still do fairly well with women as long as he looks like he could plausibly still be in his late 20s. Full head of hair, fit body, no wrinkles, healthy teeth, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 03:50 AM
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Yes, I agree. And I think your post touches upon a point that I've tried to make before, which I think is relevant to more than just sexual attractiveness: People don't really respond to "raw confidence" in the way that all the platitudes/truisms would have you believe. They respond to confidence that they think is justified based on other things. And on a related note: We as humans mostly derive our sense of confidence and self-worth from the way other people react to us. It's just baked into o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 06:32 PM
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The point was never about who wants to make something of themselves and who doesn't. It's about who gets judged more harshly as "undesirable" (like, sexually and romantically) if they don't achieve anything. And that, without even one iota of a doubt, is men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 10:14 AM
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I think that other commentor is just half-jokingly responding to this phrasing from your original comment: Everyone is oblivious to the struggles of below average people! No matter how you define average, half (or roughly half) of the population must be below that line, right? So it's not possible for everyone to be oblivious, because below-average people aren't oblivious to their own struggles.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 01:09 AM
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I'd say it even goes beyond this issue. Most people don't really think about people who have it worse than they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 01:03 AM
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I've always taken that statement as just a more polite way of saying that men have lower standards. For a man to be considered positively attractive, he has to be more attractive than lots and lots of other men. A woman can (conventionally) be considered attractive while still being pretty close to average. Men find the female figure sexy by default, whereas I wouldn't say the inverse is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 06:05 AM
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I think a lot of it is recognizing that ultimately, the most successful men who get what they want are the most selfish, and embracing it. Exactly. A pretty huge number of "red pill" guys used to be the doormat/pushover type. So a lot of them have a narrative in their head where they think "I've been a walking example of 'Nice guys finish last' for my whole live. Time to flip the script for a while."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 10:44 PM
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Oh it's very easy to get laid in prison... just not in the way you would want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 06:11 PM
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I don't think women expect a guy not to have any insecurities deep down in the pit of his soul. It's more about the guy being "tough" and resilient enough to avoid showing them. It's unattractive when the insecurities affect the way a guy presents himself outwardly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 06:10 PM
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Yep, people are social creatures who derive their sense of self, and self-worth, from the way others react to them. You can't just "have confidence" out of nowhere if all the social feedback you've gotten in your life says that you have nothing to be confident about. If you try to force it and just "have confidence" anyway, then you'll just come across as delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 07:38 PM
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I was gonna say. I'd hit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 12:14 PM
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Yep, that's a dad bod. And even that look really only works if the guy is tall with a decently wide frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:27 AM
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I'm not the person you replied to, but I think the core point is just that a lot of guys who aren't "socially successful" get upset because they confuse the "(morally) good/bad" axis of judgement with the "(socially) interesting/boring" one. When those men get told that they're not finding success because of their character or personality, they react as though they're being judged along the "good/bad" axis when actually it's the "interesting/boring" axis. They hear "You're a bad person" but what…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 09:25 AM
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Literal average looking mostly fit guy. He's rich and famous and charismatic. You think he became "rich and famous" for acting without being handsome?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 08:54 AM
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No, you can't. Knowing your self worth is based on your experiences with other people. You can nudge it a little to either side by your personality, but you have a very hard time keeping up self worth that is not mirrored by how people react to you. I think this is such an important point that hardly ever gets talked about in discussions of confidence, self-esteem, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 07:32 PM
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Isn't this just the halo effect? People tend to perceive attractive people as funnier, nicer, more skilled, smarter, etc. etc., even when there is categorically no evidence that the more attractive person is better in any way other than attractiveness. And sometimes that happens even when there is evidence that the less attractive person is better in those other ways. The less attractive someone is, the harder they'll have to work to get any of their other positive traits acknowledged.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 10:30 AM
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I guess I don't know what he means by it. Does it just mean that the legal institution of marriage doesn't make much sense, or isn't very advantageous, if the couple doesn't plan on starting a family? If so, then I can see his point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 10:22 AM
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I think lots of men out there, maybe even most, are not "loyal" out of principle, but out of a sheer sense of scarcity. When an average guy is in a relationship with a girl who is even somewhat within the range of his looks-match, then he knows he wouldn't be able to do better than her. And if the guy is average-ish, especially on the lower side of average, then he's aware of what a slog it would be to find any other girl, regardless of whether the new girl matches the attractiveness level of hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 08:29 AM
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In my experience (and according to lots of anecdotal evidence that I've heard), it's mostly short women who are "height-ist" and unwilling to date short men. And as far as attraction to height is concerned, I don't think it's just about the guy being marginally taller than the girl. If that were true, then the 6 foot meme wouldn't exist because most women are nowhere near 6 feet. She wants a man who is taller than other men.
/r/MensRights21/11/22 01:16 AM
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Yeah if you're an average-ish guy, you have to keep deleting and re-creating your profile. It's annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:06 AM
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Right, I got your point. And I think that's kind of the point behind the term "serial monogamy" as well. It's well understood that that's not really monogamy. The term itself is almost a tad sarcastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 09:08 PM
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Yes, exactly. Serial monogamy is what you're describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 08:59 PM
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It means that a woman's sex drive is contextual and reactive, whereas a man's sexuality more or less boils down to a bodily function. In the right context, the average woman might want to have sex as frequently as the average man, but said context is strictly required, and the onus is usually on the man to generate said context. Women are, as a general rule, far less willing to take the types of risks that men are willing to take solely for the sake of sexual gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 06:37 AM
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It seems like the preoccupation with virginity (actual virginity, that is, not just the characteristics we associate with it) is overrepresented on Reddit. Even when talking to close friends about this in total confidence, I've never heard any guy say that he was prioritizing virginity, unless he was super religious and thus remaining a virgin until marriage himself. Most men want to find a girl who isn't burnt out on sex, who doesn't have a sort of "been there, done that" attitude towards all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 06:59 PM
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Wow, for real? Sometimes I wish I were gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 06:13 PM
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To me that reads more like a list of qualities of a very young woman, not a virgin. Isn't that kind of OP's point though? That the traits we're looking for aren't actually traits which imply that someone is a virgin, but rather traits that we naturally associate with nubility?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 11:26 AM
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I'm not disputing the fact that men are hornier, but I don't understand your motivation in arguing about this. What would (or should) actually change if women were to suddenly acknowledge male "horniness" and its role in gender dynamics?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 11:36 PM
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I'm not saying you would or should be chasing Chad, but I don't think we're talking about men who are set apart by their careers here. It's about men who are set apart by physical features. I guess maybe you could break it down into (1) looks, (2) disposition/frame, and then (3) everything else, but with huge emphasis on (1). If a man's looks aren't in the "Chad" percentile, then no amount of improvement of any of his other traits will ever get him the amount of automatic female attention that a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:06 PM
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That's true. But, as with any sex-related subreddit, many of the all-time top posts are from women. A virgin guy could sort the subreddit by "Top", send a DM to one of those women, and ask if she's still in V-card-stealing mood.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 10:58 PM
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Of all the guys under 5'5" I've met in my life, exactly one of them had a beautiful girlfriend. And he was the drummer in a semi-famous band. I think that guys around 5'7" - 5'9" like to complain about their height holding them back, but I think it's really only like 5'6" and below where height starts to become a serious handicap. Like to the point where the guy has to start questioning whether making up for his lack of height is even worth the heroic effort that would be required. My supporting…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 05:25 AM
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It's almost like the anti-Halo-Effect. If you're unattractive, then just "fuck you", no matter what you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 05:22 AM
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For a while now, I've felt that this topic was worthy of its own post. I'm a few years younger than you, but I think I know what you mean. I don't remember height being talked about hardly at all until suddenly it was everywhere, like a meme.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:54 AM
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There seems to be kind of a "Goldilocks Zone" from like 26-32 or so (and the exact range probably fluctuates depending on region, culture, etc.), where people have had enough experience to know what else is out there, but aren't so old that they've aged out of the game entirely / are stuck with all the rejects. Relationships that start really early in life tend to fail because people change a lot in their late teens and early 20s. I think the amount of change that the average person undergoes pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:47 AM
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Because isn't sex basically people's way of "compartmentalizing" the things that they find sexy about the opposite sex but that can't really be acted upon outside of that compartmentalized place? In other words, of course a woman doesn't want a man who actually overpowers her, but she wants to be reminded that he could overpower her if he wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 09:59 AM
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Bilzerian*
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 06:02 PM
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Easier said than done, and the results are bound to depend on other things as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 02:46 PM
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When you read here, you'd think the average person gyms 5 times a day, only eats chicken and broccoli and is ripped, has a bank account of one million dollars and has a job that earns 10k a month. He/she's also super interesting and goes on all kinds of adventures every day and he doesn't sit at home, doing nothing. I've literally never seen anyone describe "average" this way on this subreddit. Can you provide links to specific posts/comments? I think you have to assume that everyone's impressio…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 06:50 AM
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Yes, many people overestimate their own attractiveness. I won't deny that at all. But I wouldn't say it's the only possible reason why someone might struggle. People can have mental/personality disorders that make it a lot harder for them to find anything. I guess you could make the argument that mental/personality problems don't, strictly speaking, affect your looks and thus they shouldn't affect the amount of looks-related attention you get. But depending on what the particular disorder is, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 09:53 AM
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Do you have a link to that post? It sounds hilarious. Why would anyone think porn is a great way to learn about sex to begin with? It's pretty terrible for both male and female pleasure. But I also don't understand the connection you're suggesting between this viewpoint and the "fish/fisherman thing". Especially in regard to this: If you're going to listen to men, maybe stop listening to the guys who get a NEW woman into their bed each week, and start listening to the guys who manage to get the …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 06:17 AM
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I don't think it's all that common to directly ask someone's body count unless you're already in a serious relationship with that person. Before that point, though, I really don't think it's all that hard to get a rough idea of a person's sexual history simply from the way they conduct themselves when the topic of sex comes up and/or from anecdotes that provide context. If a girl approaches the topic of sex with a kind of "been there, done that" attitude, or if she talks about partying a lot in …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 03:23 AM
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I think this is literally just another "be attractive; don't be unattractive" issue. Most women would be willing to date any man who is clearly above "the line", whether you believe that's the 80/20 rule or the 90/10 rule or whatever. So I don't think the misconception is about female willingness to date older men. The misconception comes up when men who are young and undesirable believe that they'll be desirable when they're older, just because they got older. Like when a 3/10 neckbeard tells h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 08:52 AM
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I can't believe this even has to be debated, because the fact that "Men aren't entitled to getting laid" is very obviously built in to the very premise of the discussion. If men actually believed that they were literally entitled to sex, they wouldn't even be debating sexual strategy at all. They would just go around having sex with women, forced or otherwise, and not care about the fallout because they'd think "whatever, I'm entitled". The entire basis of needing sexual strategy is the knowledg…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 10:56 PM
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The Catcher in the Rye People actually get something out of this book? Would you care to explain it to me? The Brothers Karamazov Oof. This one is on my reading list, and I keep procrastinating because I know it's going to be such a slog. Any advice for someone who hasn't read it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 03:04 AM
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I don't think it's possible to nail down a specific number of sexual partners that qualifies a woman as having "ridden the cock carousel". It's more about a certain attitude toward sex and relationships that tends to change rapidly at a certain age, i.e. when she hits the proverbial "wall".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 09:49 PM
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But a lot of those people simply got married, started families, and let themselves go. I always figured "average" in this context meant "the average guy on the dating market". So all the struggling 20-something males aren't irrelevant. I mean, I guess the married 40-something guy is still relevant to our notion of "average" if we're discussing phenomena that pertain to people inside marriages as well, but the usual context where "average" matters so much seems to be when guys without a partner a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 04:32 PM
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Exactly. I can't believe I had to scroll so far down to find this answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:12 AM
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I don't think the chart reflects preferred height, per se, just heights that weren't filtered out. So if the height filter gives you the option to set filters anywhere between, say, 5' and 7', then most women who used the filter probably just moved the minimum height upward without changing the top end at all. They would be okay dating a 7' guy but not okay dating a 5'3" guy. But that doesn't mean they're looking for 7' specifically. I think the gist of this is that, if you're a guy who's shorte…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 06:49 AM
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It isn't degrading. It's called "degrading" by those who don't have a coherent response to the argument being made and thus have no recourse other than to divert the discussion into "ad hominem" territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 10:14 AM
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Yes, and throw in "high quality distractions" like video games and porn for good measure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 10:24 PM
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I'm not sure that Chadfish experiments alone give you sufficient grounds for making sweeping statements about which attributes matter more. How can you be certain that an attribute like height is actually making the same subjective impression on a woman when she's swiping through Tinder profiles as it would make on her if she were actually standing next to a tall guy? Like she can read 6'2" (that's 188 cm in non-Freedom units) and think "Wow, he's tall", but that doesn't necessarily live up to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:22 PM
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"Fat people are the background characters of life." Someone phrased it that way on this sub once and it really stuck with me. But I've never experienced it first-hand. But I think that, even if the life of a fat woman isn't exactly something to be envious of, there are some key differences. First of all, I find that a lot of men on this subreddit believe that fat women have it better than fat men because fat women can still get laid / get sexual attention, which might be kinda shallow, but it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:47 AM
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I mean, yeah, a lot of red pill knowledge is just a more expounded/unpacked version of something most people learned in their formative years through proper socialization. But for some reason we all love to get offended by the more explicit descriptions, i.e. the more clinical version of "locker room talk".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 12:59 AM
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Yes, any human being can "struggle" relative to their own standards. Handsome, successful men might not struggle to get female attention altogether, but they can still struggle to get exactly what they want from the specific women they want it from.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 12:41 AM
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Oh, of course. But I thought you were saying there was a correlation between the strict swipe limit (for all users) and better-quality women (that you, as a guy, are able to get).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 02:43 PM
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As a white guy using Tinder in the Philippines, I got 900+ matches in less than a week. Not trying to brag or anything, I'm sure any fairly decent-looking western guy in his 20s or 30s could do the same thing. But I can confirm that once your match count goes into the hundreds, it's no longer about quality conversation or arranging dates. It's just a validation game where you're trying to get as many matches as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 02:28 PM
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Tinder and Bumble only have swipe limits if you're using the free version.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 02:25 PM
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What are the big three? Tinder, Bumble, and... Hinge? OKCupid?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 02:24 PM
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Yep, the bluest of the blue-pilled will also say that casual flings are just relationships that never got off the ground, i.e. most relationships start out as casual hook-ups. And that might be the case these days, but then y'all basically have to admit that "access to sex" is essentially the same thing as "access to relationships (that are based on real attraction)". The only relationships that are exempt from this are the blatantly transactional beta-bux-style relationships, i.e. the kind no o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:01 AM
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Move to the Philippines and pretend you don't know what condoms are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 06:24 PM
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Men have far higher sex drives than women due to testosterone. Without that testosterone in your system, you simply have no way of knowing what it's like to crave sex in the specific way that an average man does. I wrote a post here a while ago about Norah Vincent, a woman who pretended to be a man for more than a year in order to gain insight into the "male world". She had this to say about sexuality: I really ran smack up against the difference between male and female sexuality. [It] is that f…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 10:21 AM
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Hm... your response perhaps makes the most sense out of everything I've read so far. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:24 AM
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It doesn't always seem to affect the algorithm when you change it back though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:18 PM
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I don't think it's easy, per se. I just feel like I've seen guys who were in a position to move there (or at least travel there), and they don't do it. I.e. guys who work in a lucrative field (software, perhaps) and make plenty of money, with nothing tying them down, etc. Maybe I'm out of touch, but so many red-pill-minded average guys seem to think that banging hot girls is the peak experience of life, but don't utilize their opportunity to (maybe) do it. Can anyone else corroborate these obser…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:54 PM
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Yes, I agree completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 06:11 PM
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Maybe a lot of western men will move to Asia? But how much this will improve their prospects, on average, is probably debatable and it definitely isn't the "ace in the hole" that a lot of average or below-average western guys assume it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 05:06 AM
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a few hookups a year Most average guys probably don't even get that. I think "a few hookups a year" applies more to guys who are on the lower end of what women actively pay attention to, which is certainly a notch or two above "average". And furthermore, "a few hookups a year" isn't nearly as much sex as those guys WANT to have. Why should any guy feel satisfied with that if he's capable of improving and getting more?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 10:29 AM
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How did it help? Tinder and similar apps have started allowing women to find their way to the Chads that much more quickly and easily. Most women will readily admit that they only swipe right on a small percentage of the male profiles they see. Do you not think it follows logically that most of those women are swiping right on the same guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 10:19 AM
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Yep – I think this is closely adjacent to a point that the Red Pill used to make all the time (and perhaps still does), and one of its few main core points that I've always agreed with, unwaveringly: People hate it when men try to improve themselves, and especially when they consciously try to improve their prospects on the so-called "sexual marketplace". The notion of an average chump becoming hot and successful is always met with a certain level of hostility. And after reading quite a few disc…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:52 PM
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How is there not? Have you never seen two similarly attractive guys getting wildly different results in the dating department?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:27 PM
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In addition to the "just-world fallacy", I think people tend to subconsciously evaluate men solely according to their ability to get women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 01:00 PM
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It's acceptable to politely decline friendship with anyone for any reason. You don't need to justify it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 06:46 PM
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But is there any evidence that most vegans only date within the vegan community? I doubt that most "carnivorous" men could increase their chance that greatly by switching to veganism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 01:03 PM
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And it is while I am over 6 feet and athletic built. Why do you think this is the case? It seems like you should have it "easy".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 07:13 AM
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That was my thought. I don't have a high n-count at all (still in the single digits), but just from observing the patterns of men who are naturally more Chad-ly than I am, it seems like most of them don't reach 30 partners simply because the novelty wears off faster than one would think.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 12:12 PM
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I'll just take your word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 12:08 AM
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Sure but you also said "Chat-lite" so I wasn't sure where you were drawing the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 12:03 AM
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I'm taking a stab in the dark as much as anyone else here, but 30-50 partners sounds like it's way above average, even for the top 20% of guys. 30 or more partners sounds more like the body count of a guy in like the top 5-10% who was actively trying to rack up a huge count. I would guess that most guys who could sleep with double-digit amounts of women probably get sick of the pursuit a lot sooner than one might think.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 11:54 PM
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One of my all-time favorite posts on this subreddit is about this exact subject: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/khta5q/men_in_real_life_dont_care_about_n_count_because/ I would bring it up much more often, but n-count is an issue that gets beaten to death on this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 07:53 PM
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Most men are completely turned off when they learn a woman has a boyfriend or is married I've never seen this happen. Usually the guy just gets really jealous of the girl's boyfriend/husband, but not "completely turned off." Most men are the exact opposite, upon discovering a woman is unavailable we become completely disengaged, and she immediately loses all appeal. Again, I've never known this to be the case. When I'm attracted to a girl and find out that she's taken, I just get jealous of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 12:00 AM
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I'm a guy who most people would probably describe as a "beta" based on your definition. I'm pale-skinned, nerdy, fairly non-confrontational and/or overly deferent toward others, and I haven't achieved much "sexual success" in my life (judging by TRP's definition). A few years ago I decided to start lifting weights and improving my diet and wardrobe, i.e. very typical "glow-up" activities, and I did find that the reactions were mixed, among both men and women, actually. In some cases, it might be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 06:27 PM
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I'm not sure what the 80/20 rule is It's the Red Pill's application of the Pareto principle: The Pareto principle states that for many outcomes, roughly 80% of consequences come from 20% of causes (the "vital few"). The Wikipedia article provides examples of a lot of fields where this principle shows up in one way or another. Red pillers claim that this applies to dating as well, and that the 20% or "vital few" are the top 20% most attractive men, and that those men get 80% of female attention /…
/r/ExRedPill13/04/22 12:33 PM
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I just pointed this out in my comment as well (before reading the thread) and I'm glad to see that others have mentioned it too. Understanding this idea alone can help a person to be more content with life.
/r/ExRedPill10/04/22 01:06 PM
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There are lots of explanations. First off, "depression" doesn't arise solely from objectively bad life circumstances. It can also arise due to brain chemistry. Someone being on anti-depressants doesn't really imply that that person actually believes there's a reason to be discontent with their own life. And then the hedonic treadmill or hedonic adaptation theory says that humans tend to spend most of their time at a steady level of happiness despite fluctuations in circumstances, including major…
/r/ExRedPill10/04/22 01:05 PM
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Congratulations, you just invented The Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:47 AM
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It totally depends on the starting point and "status quo" of the person receiving the advice. Some people are hermits without any friends at all. They would be well advised to make friends with just about anyone, just to get in the habit of putting themselves out there a little more. Then there are guys who are a notch or two above the hermits and spend most of there time around a tight-knit group of other guys without much interaction with women. I think those guys can also benefit from making …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:48 AM
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It's fairly dependent on how the weight is distributed. If all of her extra weight goes to her stomach and thighs, etc., giving her a physique more indistinguishable from a fat man, then she will most likely struggle to attract anything except fat men. The overweight women who do really well are the ones who are genetically predisposed to store extra fat in all the right places (hips, ass, breasts). And even then, most of the successful ones don't seem to be that overweight. Just enough to achie…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 05:37 PM
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Yes, I agree, insofar as "Who you can get with" in reality is the only metric that actually matters. None of the theoretical bullshit makes any real difference when it comes to your "league", etc. Having said that, I think 1-10 rating systems and whatnot have their utility when we're trying to, for instance, isolate different traits and see how they stack up against each other, talk about overarching trends, etc. It seems to me that one of the major purposes of the debates here is to talk about …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 09:30 PM
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So, then, we agree to a greater extent than I believed, since you're kinda reiterating the point I was making rhetorically with my questions. "Being outnumbered by women" isn't all there is to it, because if it were, there would be droves of average men trying to find their way into those types of environments. Gender imbalances would mostly disappear in a heartbeat. and most men don't do things they're not interested in just to meet girls. True, but again, part of my point: Men would do those t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 10:21 PM
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I have a hard time believing that the men who get pussy thrown at them in ballet circles wouldn't be doing just fine outside of those circles. They're probably very fit with naturally athletic builds and at least relatively handsome. If all it takes for average guys to get lots of female attention is simply finding a context where they're outnumbered by women, then shouldn't we be seeing hordes of average guys joining yoga studios, applying for nursing schools, joining ballet circles, etc. etc.?…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 04:35 PM
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Men are expected to "initiate" after picking up on signals from women. So I guess it all boils down to how you define "initiator". Is it the person who's expect to make the first forward move? If so, then that's the guy. Or is it the person who opens the door to put the first forward move into a socially acceptable context? If so, then that's the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 11:53 PM
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if two friends wanted to date, they would’ve done so looooong ago. But maybe they did want to date, and dated for a while, and just aren't telling you about it now. Not saying trusting relationships aren't possible, but I think being lied to / gas-lighted is what people worry about most. "Oh, we're just really good friends" (when they were actually fuck-buddies). My understanding is that the "threat" posed by old friends lies in the fact that they knew each other during their formative years. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 05:44 PM
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You're attributing my words to someone else and that's not what I said. I didn't say "tall" and "sexy" are interchangeable. I said that height automatically increases attractiveness (for men).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 03:04 AM
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So every tall man is sexy if you think "not sexy at all" and "tall" is contradictory? No. You said "not sexy at all". But any guy with height is automatically more attractive than he would be if he were shorter. Height is a trait that automatically increases attractiveness for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 03:02 AM
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and he's not sexy at all. He is tall though. "Not sexy at all" and "tall" is a contradiction when you're talking about a man. Being tall alone gives a guy a huge boost with respect to success with women. I'd say it's just about the biggest boost that any trait can give.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 09:38 PM
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Money is a factor, sure, but OP specifically listed "no real life prospects" as one of the conditions. Usually having a lot of money is correlated with having "life prospects". I thought the post was about couples who are looks-mismatched and have no other "obvious" reason to be together. Money/gold-digging would be a somewhat obvious reason, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 09:27 PM
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I was going to raise the same objection, but then I thought, if the cock is really YUUUUUGE, like legitimately 8+ inches and thick, then it's possible that news of his "yuge" cock travelled by word of mouth and there were hot girls interested in finding out whether the rumor was true. It's certainly not the conventional way to find a partner but stranger things have happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 09:26 PM
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Meeting up with the girl on onlyfans Does this ever actually happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 08:55 PM
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Whenever I see a couple that isn't looks-matched, my default assumption is that they were more looks-matched when they got together and then, over time, one of them either let themselves go or had a glow-up. So maybe they got together when they were both young and hot, and then the woman just stayed hot while the man got worse looking. Or maybe they got together when they were both in their "ugly duckling" phase and then only the girl turned into a swan while the man just grew into an ugly duck.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 07:54 PM
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I enjoyed dating more, after my first divorce. I was older. More mature, experienced, You were experienced because you were capable of getting experience when you were younger. A great deal of guys, perhaps even the majority, aren't in your position. A guy who goes mostly sexless throughout his 20s isn't going to be experienced when he hits 30. He'll be as inexperienced as he was when he was 20, but even more bitter about it. As much as people hate to admit it, the idea that "the rich get richer…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 07:06 PM
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Well, of course. They're hitting the proverbial "wall", aren't they? And "the wall" isn't just a decline in looks; it's also a shift in priorities. She realizes her youth is fading, and continuing to go wild with random hook-ups would be contrary to the goal of securing a long-term mate. When a woman is at her prime beauty (younger years), she is typically more willing to give it up to guys through one night stands, hookups, etc. “for free” - she doesn’t want to settle down. Right, but she's mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 10:59 AM
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But if you take this point of view to its logical extreme, isn't every form of validation kinda similar to prostitution? Simply keeping yourself alive and non-repulsive costs money. Even the super-fit guy who attracts women naturally has to pay for a gym membership and the protien-rich diet required to maintain his muscle mass. Unless you're a trust-fund baby who's never had to work a day in their life, nothing you're getting out of life is actually free. So, with that in mind, I'm not sure it m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:52 PM
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Not to mention that it seems to be only a 5% difference with respect to who reported having a "history of sexual intercourse with a man"... So they're just saying only 8% of overweight women are virgins (or have only had sex with other women), whereas the same applies to 13% of normal-weight women? That doesn't tell us anything about variations in n-count among the non-virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 08:46 AM
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I'm not sure about "hours and hours", but there are people who are gravely addicted. We're talking people who can't abstain for one day without feeling borderline symptoms of depression. This shouldn't be viewed as normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 02:55 PM
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I think this is a great response. If I may add to it: Chad is pretty much the only guy taking women home from places where there isn't much opportunity to display any trait except hotness. Going to a night club with strobe lights and music blaring? Lol, good luck showing any woman your "dynamite sense of humor" in that atmosphere. But average guys kinda have a chance in other contexts where status isn't a direct function of hotness. At the office, for example, there might be an average guy who's…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 03:04 PM
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"Just be yourself" isn't terrible advice when given to people who have adequate social skills. But the thing is, those people don't need the advice. The types of people who need advice on an issue as basic as "how to act around other people" aren't going to benefit from something as trite as "Just be yourself". So you end up with this "If you have to ask, you'll never know" situation. And in the end, that may be the point, i.e. the real utility of pieces of advice like "Just be yourself" – is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 02:39 AM
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Another point that is adjacent to your points could be that she has a sort of "Been there; done that" attitude about pretty much everything sexual and relationship-related. She's gotten it all out of her system.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 12:53 AM
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If you're fazed by that term alone, then what are you even doing on this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 12:47 AM
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I'm going to be completely honest and say I'm not sure how I would feel because it's not possible to judge this situation without a precedent. I can only speculate based on what I assume would be the main variable at play: How realistic is this robot? Are we talking full-on indistinguishable from a human, or basically just the equivalent of a fancy voice-activated dildo? I don't think I would mind my partner having a fancy sex toy, but I wouldn't want her to buy something that was specifically m…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 04:35 PM
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Maybe, but I feel like that kinda depends on region. Then again, so does everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 04:14 PM
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Agreed. Size 0 is too skinny. I'm also not sure how realistic "0 debt" is in this day and age, at least in a certain age bracket. Anyone who's just getting out of college is probably going to have some debt.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 02:54 PM
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But if a girl I don't want a relationship with "shows me the door" after fucking me... then I got exactly what I wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 12:33 AM
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PUA is ridiculed just like FDS. Yes, because there's a difference between guys who can get laid a lot naturally and guys who have to put in tons of conscious effort. The latter come across as try-hards and that turns people off. Same with the term "fuckboy". I don't think the derogatory part of that word is that it refers to someone who hooks up with a lot of women (or who attempts to). It's derogatory because it highlights the amount of effort that guy has to put in. A guy who has to approach h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:30 PM
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Or maybe really skinny guys tend to say they like bigger girls because they can't get anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:01 AM
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So is that supposed to serve as some kind of "proof" that any guy has a chance with you as long as he's funny? Because Pete Davidson is 6'3" with a pretty decent bone structure / jaw line. Like I'm not saying he's a male model or a Chad, etc., but I think the selection of Pete Davidson as the go-to example demonstrates that a guy has to pass a certain looks threshold to even be the "quirky looking" funny guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:12 AM
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I think if you're talking about something less than unrequited love, like "unrequited attraction" or "unrequited infatuation", then this post-rejection feeling is mostly just frustration, albeit sometimes a quite intense version of frustration, especially if it continues happening again and again while those same women are choosing other men. The "more existential" level, as you put it, is reached in genuine cases of "unrequited love", where he feels like he has been led on by the girl to some e…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 07:39 PM
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I think it's exactly the opposite, actually. Women don't put effort into "being appealing (to men) in other ways" because they know, at the end of the day, they'll just be judged for their sex appeal and not much else.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 05:38 PM
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I took the word "shitty" there to mean "unattractive", in which case women don't necessarily avoid those guys – rather, women use them as beta orbiters.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 12:33 PM
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You summed up my thoughts as well. Being in the 99.99999999th percentile in one category still doesn't stack up against being in the 99.0th percentile (or even noticeably lower) in multiple categories. Although he's not nearly as rich as Bezos, Leo DiCaprio still has absurd "fuck you" wealth compared to the average guy. That margin in wealth matters a lot more than the margin between DiCaprio and Bezos. And then when you consider their looks... well, it's no contest.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 09:15 AM
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But you would only be filtering by the size of those women when they got married, right? Not their current size. And why does this guy assume that "divorce" correlates with "selling your wedding dress"? Is that something women stereotypically do right after a divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 08:54 AM
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As a guy who used to be really skinny, I'm not even sure I would say that skinny is better than chubby. Depending on your body type, having a little extra weight can just make you look noticeably "bigger" than women, which helps them feel small next to you, which seems to be what they want. Being skinny in and of itself isn't helpful to guys who are skinny-fat or have really frail/slender and un-masculine frames. "Just be skinny" might be decent advice for women, but for like 90% of men it comes…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 12:02 AM
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I won't argue against it being a positive thing, but is it really a turn-on, let alone the *biggest* turn-on? You listed "gym" as one of the factors that caused a sharp uptick in female attention. How do you know this one "gym" factor doesn't account for the majority of the increase? Furthermore, I don't think the increase in attention from certain women necessarily proves that the traits / habits you were focusing on are "attractive". Women looking for relationships are bound to be looking for …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 03:05 AM
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Why does this matter? When and where have the mods of this sub claimed that it's a place where viewpoints are (or should be) represented in equal measure? Ultimately the sub is "neutral" in the sense that there's no official stance. If you're dissatisfied with the sub's content, you are free to post your own threads preaching your own stance. I frequently see threads posted by blue users that get upvoted and inspire decent (sometimes even pretty great) discussion. The imbalance might be mildly a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 07:33 PM
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Mentally... do most people ever leave high school? I'm almost 30 and I constantly feel like I'm surrounded by this sort of mentality even when I'm among people around my own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 02:20 PM
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I guess I meant the whole entire package. Buying dinner for someone involves both spending money on them and spending time getting to know them, which overall just sends a "serious relationship" message. I looked through the rest of this thread and thought you got a pretty good answer here (with the spelling mistakes fixed): Its a relic from the time where women didn't work and the men approached and paid if he was interested in the women, giving the woman the signal that he intended to potentia…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 02:06 PM
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I don't get what you're asking. Would a guy see a woman having "invested" in him if she paid for a dinner? And therefore he should have sex with her? When would this situation ever come up? Men want to have sex with women by default – we don't need to be enticed with "investments".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 01:53 PM
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Why does this warrant sex? It doesn't "warrant" sex. It's more about the fact that women have a tendency to withhold sex until the man has displayed some kind of serious dating intent, i.e. that he might want a relationship instead of just sex. Yes, there's the "spending money on her" factor, but there's also the larger context of sitting down in a restaurant and "getting to know" the person. That's probably not something the guy does with the women he's trying to casually hook up with. Again – …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 01:33 PM
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When guys ask for dating advice, they specifically get told that it's a numbers game. So you'll see guys, who are already inclined to "swipe right" at a higher rate than women, taking this advice and essentially just swiping right on almost every female profile. The bottom line is that men have no other choice but to approach dating apps with an inherently hyper-competitive mindset. At first, the point is solely to increase the number of matches. Quantity over quality – he can worry about qualit…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 09:28 AM
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You make a fair point in your last paragraph. It probably upsets people to think that they could lose a relationship that they've invested in for a reason they have no control over and would be completely blind-sided by. I still think the Women Are Wonderful stuff is playing a role here though. People don't throw around terms like the "i-word" without directly giving the conversation a significant gendered slant – either intentionally or unintentionally. There's a type of vitriol being shown the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 11:59 AM
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My argument was that the "Women are Wonderful" phenomenon is emerging in the comment section of that thread. I feel that people are being overly critical of that OP's motives solely because he's a guy. Yes, I agree that the girlfriend in this situation hasn't done anything to warrant being dumped. But the person you replied to also made a solid, sort of "contra-positive" point: Merely not doing anything that warrants being dumped doesn't mean that the other person must continue the relationship …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 09:37 AM
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Right, exactly, and many of the comments in the original thread provided similar advice. But part of my point is that – even in those comments that were supporting OP's right to make his own decision – everyone was shaming the whole "I want to sow my wild oats" angle as though that alone couldn't possibly be a valid reason in and of itself. "Just leave her already so that she can find someone who actually cares about her" is quite back-handed, in a way, because it implies that the most valid way…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 09:28 AM
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Unless he significantly glowed up during this relationship For all we know, that could have been what happened. Again, unfounded assumptions. And I agree with the other comment saying that getting more dates/sex/relationships is far easier once you've done it the first time. I guess it can be kind of a "chicken or egg" dilemma... can't get a girlfriend because he's clueless, but he's clueless because he's never had a girlfriend. After the first relationship, though, he's no longer caught in that…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 09:26 AM
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But we have no idea why he was facing so much rejection and then was suddenly able to overcome it and get a relationship. Maybe he was really out of shape or overweight and has since fixed that issue. Maybe it was a confidence issue that he's been able to sort out. In any case, his ability to get a partner demonstrates that he's not actually destined for loneliness if he doesn't want to be. I still think the assumptions are unfounded because when a guy is a virgin, that can really be a huge "mon…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 09:19 AM
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But I agree that he shouldn't expect her to take him back once he gets it out of his system. Right, and the OP of that thread never said he would expect such a thing. Most of the hate he's getting is merely because he's entertaining the idea of ending the relationship. There's a pretty huge difference between a couple of comments saying "Tread carefully, I personally don't think it'll pay off, dude" and the ones saying "F*** you, you're an inc-l for even bringing it up!1!1! Don't you realize tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 09:09 AM
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I think it's somewhere in the middle. You're arguing that women aren't technically entitled just for having high standards, because they're essentially saying "I want either a top 10% man or nothing at all". They are so adamant about sticking to their standards that they would rather remain single than take a guy they perceive as below those standards. But, as you say, they're not literally demanding that something be given to them. And I would fully agree if it were also the case that all women…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 09:21 AM
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I don't think I've ever come right out and asked a woman directly what her N-count was. Doing so would be awkward and probably a huge turn-off. The male approach to female n-count is more accurately described in this post, which is probably one of my all-time favorite posts on this subreddit. The fifth bullet point from that post makes a point that is relevant here: Rather than asking for n count outright, men employ guesswork to try figure out in their head what type of woman they're dealing wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/21 12:44 AM
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None of these issues seem to be very specific to online dating apps. These problems exist in the dating world in general, and apps just amplify these problems and especially the gender-specific struggles. The illusion of endless options, for example, seems to have a different effect on men versus women. When a guy thinks he has a lot of options, his standards will go down and he'll feel a stronger incentive to sleep around (cheerleader effect). When a girl perceives her options as greater, her s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/21 10:56 PM
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In theory, yes, but how would this ever actually be put into practice? Are you saying you know of a way to get men to collectively agree to just stop giving women validation? If any one guy stops giving a woman validation, she'll simply move on and easily be able to find that validation from some other guy. One guy withholding validation means nothing. The only guys who can make a difference by withholding validation on their own are mostly guys who women find attractive anyway. But as for rando…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/21 04:23 AM
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Couldn't the logic here be along the lines of what's described in this old post? https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/khta5q/men_in_real_life_dont_care_about_n_count_because/?sort=confidence You don't see men slut-shaming in real life because men understand that doing so openly would compromise their dating/sexual prospects. But of course this doesn't mean that those men don't have "anti-slut" views.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 06:44 AM
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Men with lots of options are the most sensitive about rejection because they're the small subset of men who aren't used to rejection. If you genuinely have "lots of options", you probably don't get rejected often and thus a single rejection calls your status into question. The men who take rejection most gracefully are probably those who get rejected at a normal rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 07:47 PM
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Idk, like 4'? I hope that's a typo for 4". Also... you're saying this girl thought your penis was below average even though it was the biggest she had ever seen? That doesn't really make sense unless she was really inexperienced and had only gotten her ideas about dick size from "monster cock" porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/21 01:07 AM
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For every principle like the 80/20 principle, you have to assume that the principle applies recursively within each sub-set of the whole group. If we suppose that the top 20 percent of men are getting 80 percent of the casual sex, then we shouldn't assume that that 80 percent is distributed equally among those men. The same 80/20 rule applies within that group. In other words: the top 20 percent of the top 20 percent of men are getting 80 percent of 80 percent of the casual sex, and so on and so…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 02:45 PM
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And it needs to go back to being an actual full week, not "Oct 1st to 4th". SMDH.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 05:16 PM
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The post doesn't contain the word "week" at all. I think the moderators must have changed the purge from a week-long deal every six months to something more frequent, but shorter. I miss the old days, fankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 05:12 PM
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I had a similar thought. And I think the same idea applies to the single guy in the scenario as well. If the guy needs to be "set up", implying he's incapable of just going out and finding willing partners, then this will probably be interpreted by the person doing the set-up as neediness/helplessness, which automatically knocks the guy down a couple pegs on the attractiveness scale. Women want men who already know how to navigate the social/dating scene and who don't need "help". When a guy req…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 03:09 AM
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So those women are all like 6'3" or taller? https://i.imgur.com/YxhCJAR.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 04:52 AM
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But if your wife told you she found this other girl attractive would you be more willing to allow her to pursue that? I'm definitely not going to "let her pursue it" unless I also get to be involved somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 08:19 AM
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Okay, but most men don't "make sure to avoid eye contact so that [women] don't approach." That's the brutal honesty I was referring to. The admission that women straight-up don't want most men approaching them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 07:58 AM
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otherwise i'm generally not paying attention to men other than to make sure to avoid eye contact so they don't approach me. Lol. The exact opposite of what guys in this thread wanted to read, but the brutal honesty is appreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 05:22 PM
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Whenever I see this type of post, it makes me wish we could share some concrete examples, like actual video recordings of men approaching women and having their advances either reciprocated or rejected. Aside from the obvious "Be attractive and don't be unattractive" response, I have a feeling lots of men who get rejected are having this happen because they're trying to turn the interaction into a sexual advance way too early on and are hardly trying to establish any rapport with the women they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 11:44 PM
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The gender ratio on dating apps is extremely stacked against men. Given the fact that most apps have like 3-5 guys for every 1 girl (or worse), it's no wonder why dating apps do nothing but amplify the "80/20 principle".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 11:36 PM
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Its because she does not find you viscerally attractive, for whatever reason. Yes, but isn't the whole point of this sub that the "for whatever reason" deserves some unpacking?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 03:15 PM
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Depending on that particular guy's age at this point in time, "under 30" could be a pretty reasonable preference for what he's looking for right now. If he remains single for another 10 or 20 years, his "under 30" preference might be relaxed a little to include slightly older women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 12:44 AM
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"Want", sure. But the other commentor was asking about "seeking" women. Simply wanting something doesn't imply that you're actively seeking it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 02:51 PM
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Like if a man truly believes that, why does he even seek a woman? You answered your own question. A lot of men aren't seeking women because those men are aware they don't measure up to women's standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 02:05 PM
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My ex, who was 5’10 Does extra height actually make a woman more attractive though? As a guy I actually prefer to be with a girl who's shorter and smaller than I am. We tend to act as though everyone wants a supermodel physique and wants to date someone with that physique, and that would imply taller women, but I still wonder if your ex-girlfriend would have, in reality, gotten more male attention if she had been a little shorter.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 02:28 PM
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TRP isn't really against committed relationships. RP guys are only against committed relationships with women who they deem unfit for such relationships: former sluts and/or the so-called "Alpha Widows".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 10:46 AM
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This fake .5/10 STILL got hundreds of likes and conversations from NORMAL (even some GOOD looking dudes) looking guys. Maybe that's either because many of these male profiles were also fake / being run by scammers, or because the men who matched with the "Pig Woman" profile recognized it as a joke and just decided to play along? The photoshop on those pictures isn't exactly subtle. I mean, actually changing her nose to look like a pig's nose? Come on. to really appreciate how worthless 'validati…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 04:42 AM
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This, plus the line itself is 100% cringe-worthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 02:43 AM
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That just because a girl matches with you and talks with you on your chadfish account does not mean she will actually meet up with you and have sex Do some guys actually think that they can "Chad-fish" a girl into meeting in person and that she'll still have sex with him even after she realizes he's not the same guy she saw in the profile? I must be missing something here. Who would be delusional enough to believe they can get laid that way? Next to zero guys would ever have sex with a girl who …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 02:28 AM
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This is a nice, concise explanation, but do you really think the behavior-based forms of "payment" should count, since those types of behavior could just be certain men's baseline modi operandi? Any person who acts in an attractive way without thinking about it certainly isn't "paying" for the attention he might be getting as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 08:17 PM
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I'm pretty sure OP is referring to a situation where a guy acts like he wants a relationship when he really doesn't. He puts on this "act" just long enough to get sex, and then right after sex happens, he ghosts the girl / suddenly becomes disinterested.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 04:24 PM
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Just to clarify, since I'm not sure I understand your question: When you write "partaking in that industry", you just mean "watching porn", right? So the question is something like: Why do men look down on (female) porn stars for making porn, while also believing themselves to be immune from judgement for watching it? At first glance, it kinda seems like just another example of the Madonna/whore complex. Once the "whore" label has been applied to a specific girl, it's difficult for the guy to se…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 07:51 AM
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I was lukewarm on your other comment but now I definitely agree. I think porn affects the brain more than is typically acknowledged. Anecdotal evidence incoming, but it's almost impossible to describe how different I feel when I'm on a long "no porn" streak.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 11:05 PM
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Temporarily, sure, but you get so much more from real sex than just a physical release, including the inherent validation of actually having a woman be attracted to you and want you. I think that most guys who turn to porn as their sexual "outlet" just end up more frustrated in the long run. But I guess perhaps I agree with your core point: Porn is the "easy way out". Watching it doesn't require the guy to risk getting rejected or to have "game" or any of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 11:03 PM
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"to the point to where"
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/06/21 06:54 AM
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have lost their virginities by the time they get to their mid 20s, and have been in an at least somewhat serious/long term relationship at some point by the time they reach that age range. You're missing a key factor in the way sex is viewed by these men. Having sex in the context of "being in a relationship" is not viewed as all that great a victory, unless perhaps the particular woman is very high-quality and sought after by many other men. Commitment-based sex with average women in the contex…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 09:22 PM
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There are some people who don't mind being alone that much Where are all these people who "don't mind being alone"? In any case, I don't think those are the same people being told to lower their standards. "Lower your standards" is advice given to people who do want a partner but are delusional about their prospects. For instance, a guy who is decidedly average in every dating-relevant aspect of his life who only goes after fit, dolled-up, popular model-esque types who are way out of his league.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 06:53 PM
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It's probably just part of women's general hesitation to give men any compliments because it will automatically be taken as flirting. She says: "Nice muscles. You must work out a lot." He hears: "Nice muscles. Wanna fukk?" And even if a girl sees a muscular guy and does want to have sex with him, don't expect her to be as straightforward about her intentions as a man would be toward a woman. I don't think the issue is that she doesn't respect the man with muscles, it's that even if she respects …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 06:56 AM
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If you don't have a sense of humor, watch stand-up until you cultivate one. Not denying that a sense of humor can play a role in attraction, but was that meant as serious advice? I really don't think watching a lot of stand-up comedy is going to magically impart a sense of humor onto you. It might make you more aware of how funny people think but it won't help you think like them and join their ranks.
/r/askTRP30/05/21 05:54 AM
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5% body fat with visible muscle isn't sustainable without steroids. A better goal might be around 10%, but even that is really hard to maintain over long periods of time. The majority of "fit" guys are probably at 12-16%.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 02:51 PM
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at thirty you have wrinkles and ailments Lol what? You SHOULDN'T have those things at 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 12:17 PM
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now that I know that "girls liking older guys" isn't really a thing How, exactly, do you "know" this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 12:17 PM
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As long as a guy is above the attractiveness threshold necessary to even be considered as an option, I think that being a little air-headed can even work to his advantage if he just wants to hook up. A guy with a "kind of dumb" demeanor/personality, as you put it, will make the girls he hooks up with feel less guilty or self-conscious about placing him firmly in the "Not boyfriend material; hookups only" category.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 12:07 PM
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How come I don't see this advice given to men as much? Is it just assumed that a guy already knows he can't be fat and get a woman? Because the issue is apparently slightly more complicated for men. For women, at least in terms of SMV, it's the one factor that makes most of the difference. But I can tell you, as a former super-skinny guy – like only 120 lbs at almost 6 feet tall in college – that "not being fat" isn't enough to make a guy physically/sexually attractive. Girls want to feel like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 03:20 AM
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As a guy, I would rather be with a girl who thinks I'm really funny than a girl who is funny herself. I guess it's the male side of the coin to the whole "I don't date pretty boys because I want to be the pretty one" line you hear from women. I don't want to date funny women because I want to be the funny one in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 05:20 PM
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Age filters.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/05/21 10:08 PM
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I can't remember if this view is endorsed by Dawkins in the book or even mentioned at all, but there's the "Gay Uncle" theory. In a nutshell, the theory basically puts forth that there's genetically a certain chance for any given male to end up being homosexual so that this "Gay Uncle" portion of the male population, so to speak, is available for child-rearing and to assist the survival of the family and/or ensure the survival of that particular population's genes. It may be more effective overa…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 03:09 PM
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Never heard of it It's a book by Richard Dawkins. Basically the book that elevated him to scientific super-stardom. Otherwise straight women wouldn't have any motivation to "succeed in life" either. I think there's a pretty clear implication that they would simply have a certain reciprocal motivation to "succeed" by locking down the highest-value man they can find.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 03:02 PM
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Do the members of this subreddit not abide by the "Half your age plus seven" rule? Or do people think that rule is just a meme? If you take that rule as a basis, then a 36-year-old guy could potentially date a girl as young as 25 and it wouldn't be "weird". A 30-year-old guy could go down to 22.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 04:12 PM
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It probably depends on how much sex a person was able to get during their younger "sexual awakening" years. A lot of red pillers have a significant chip on their shoulder about sex as a result of missing out during high school / college when it seemed like everyone else was having it. Going through life with that chip on your shoulder tends to amplify one's fixation on sex (specifically frequent casual sex) in comparison to everyone else who may have already "gotten it out of their system" in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 02:10 AM
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How could that data ever be reliably obtained? Especially if it's self-reported, the "undatable" label is entirely subject to the person's own self-esteem and maybe even unawareness of their own spergy behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 08:26 PM
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That's the whole point of the "IOI" (Indication of Interest) aspect of red pill theory, isn't it? You're not actually supposed to make your move until after you've received some sort of obvious IOI from the girl, otherwise you will indeed come across as creepy. It does make a guy seem rather socially inept when he's unable to "read the room", so to speak, and thus unable to understand when his advances will be welcome or not. Every single one of those answers in your list may sound as though it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 06:44 PM
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Yep, this pretty much sums it up and reminds me of that saying: "Sex is like air. It only matters when you're not getting any" or some variation. And whenever this topic comes up I always have to mention the Hedonic Treadmill. Humans have been observed to maintain a relatively stable level of subjective "enjoyment" despite major changes in "life situation" so to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 03:35 PM
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I'll take the other side of the coin: GAINING weight has helped me socially and with dating. I was always "the skinny guy" in my social circle. When I started college, I weighed somewhere in the 120s at a height of 5'11". That's not necessarily a death sentence but it's definitely in the range where you're kind of invisible to most women because you don't look "bigger" than they do. It doesn't help that I have a slightly ectomorphic frame and my shoulders aren't really wide. It was clear that ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 03:15 AM
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I think he's a fair amount above average in the second picture, but "way above average" is kind of a stretch IMO. In the "Before" picture, his blubbery physique drags him back down to average. And if you really want a fair comprehensive rating you can't just leave the physique out of the equation. But his face, when viewed by itself, is above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 02:50 AM
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Yes. Those artificial "composite face" images are always a lot more skewed toward the attractive end of the scale than the average person actually is. The problem is that average faces are considered average due to minor asymmetry and physical features that deviate slightly from where they instinctively "should" be. But if you combine a bunch of average faces into one composite image, you're inadvertently evening out those deviations. For every average guy whose left eye is a little larger than …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 03:39 PM
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Yep. They want everyone else to be as miserable as they are. Lost of "advice" you get from people in life has this slant to it. It's not a marriage-specific issue.
/r/askTRP14/05/21 07:27 PM
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Let me ask you a question: Are the pictures you're showing us in your post the same pictures you use on your dating app profiles? If so, that may explain your (relative) lack of success. The inconvenient truth is that the bar is really high for male profiles and picture selection. Two mirror selfies ain't gonna cut it, and the gym selfie pushes the profile into "tryhard" territory. The best male profiles seem to find a more subtle way to show off the muscles. Maybe through pictures of you doing …
/r/askTRP08/05/21 09:52 PM
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The problem with your math, is that you assume they can have sex on the first date. The average guy doesn't. Unless something has drastically shifted in the last 10 years. I mean... yeah, I think a lot has changed over the past 10 years. Maybe it's because we're living in the Tinder age. The idea of "Going on [number] dates" without having sex feels entirely foreign to me. And it's definitely not because I'm some kind of Chad or anything. I'm not. It's just that no one has that kind of patience …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 06:18 AM
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0.04% of the English speaking world is famous. There's no way it's even that high.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/21 02:32 PM
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I believe the relationship-specific quote goes "Relationships are like farts. If you have to force one, it's probably shit."
/r/askTRP03/05/21 09:04 AM
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Plenty of people seek casual sex simply for validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/21 04:52 AM
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Past age 30, women are the ones suffering from the more severe existential crisis. I think most guys who are in some sort of "panic mode" about dating are mostly in their early 20s. Any guy who still hasn't settled down at 29 probably isn't going to care whether he settles down by 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 03:17 PM
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Every time a thread of this nature comes up, I have to quote Jim Jefferies: "I know I'm a five. And do you wanna know how I know I'm a five? Because when strangers walk past me, nothing happens."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 03:33 AM
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When it comes to purely generating attraction, the amount of effort never enters the equation. People make judgments about the final product standing in front of them. Goth girls make an impression that men perceive as less "girly", and that's why men find them more attainable. When an average guy sees a cute girl "playing up" her feminine side, it makes the guy more inclined to assume she's out of his league. We subconsciously associate feminine signaling with high standards for masculinity. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 07:31 PM
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I had a similar thought. The fact that goth girls give off a less stereotypically "girly" vibe than other girls might make them seem more accessible. It's sorta just another variant of the girl-next-door trope. The average guy feels more attracted to a girl when he thinks he has a chance with her. And when she gives off a certain "unaware of how hot she is" vibe, it makes the guy believe his chances are higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 05:39 PM
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That's not an easy switch to flip.
/r/askTRP16/04/21 01:54 AM
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The general concept that the less good looking a woman is the easier it is to have sex with her ("oh I could go out and bang a 3/10 no problem"). Almost zero correlation in my experience. This is an interesting one. And I have to say I've noticed the same. Some of the pickiest / most fickle women aren't necessarily all that great looking. At the end of the day, very few women are driven to jump straight into bed. They want to be pursued and seduced. Another factor is that decidedly average women…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 04:11 PM
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There's the obvious "attractiveness" answer but I don't think that covers the entire issue. I think it also comes down to inhibition. And not just inhibition, but the subtlety of everything that signals "person with low inhibition" versus "person with high inhibition". As a relatively high-inhibition person, I've noticed throughout years of floundering my way through social interactions that the signals for "inhibited" versus "uninhibited" personality traits are far more subtle than people belie…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 02:42 AM
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„You‘re so lucky, in a few years when everybody‘s starting to look old, you’ll still look like a young college guy.“ As someone who gets told the same thing frequently, I think kind of comes down to lifestyle but also just a genetic roll of the dice. There are people who look like teenagers all through their 20s and early 30s and then suddenly turn 35 and look exactly 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 09:57 PM
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Average guys are worried that if they don't openly display a certain level of disdain for fat women, they'll be put in the same "league" as those fat women. However, the reverse isn't true – A girl with an average, healthy, non-fat body doesn't have to worry about anyone putting her in the same league as fat guys and/or expecting her to date them. In other words, there's just an unspoken understanding that average women are above the league of fat men, but there's no such understanding about ave…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 06:23 PM
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It would be pretty decent purge week content.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 12:02 PM
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And one of the users replied with this gem in the comments: So yes, I will date a 6'4 fit, handsome man with a good career and an 8 inch dick who treats me well because anything else is not worth my time. I want to orgasm and have a charmed life, not one full of constant struggle for no reason. There you have it, fellas – the new minimum standard. If you want to be worth a woman's time, just be in like the 0.3rd percentile of male height, handsome and fit, make a lot of money and have a bigger c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:51 PM
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TRP still exists and is growing because men followed that path and got what they wanted from it. Are you sure that most men have gotten what they want from it? Couldn't it be the case that a portion of men have found success while the rest of them are simply participating in the discussion and preaching that school of thought because they want to believe the hype?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 06:42 AM
1

How exactly do you go about your "cold approaches"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 06:33 PM
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as long as you're able to read the room and immediately bale once you feel that the person is uncomfortable. I suspect that this is the problematic part for most interwebs-dwelling "wannabe pick-up artist" types. A lot of guys who struggle to get female attention probably imagine themselves just asking for a phone number / date out of the blue with no established context or indications of interest from the girl. Unless you're famous or a male model or something, your success rate with that metho…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 06:26 PM
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In my experience, the traits displayed by that type of guy are pretty much impossible to replicate if you don't have them naturally. It's like watching a 40-year-old who's trying to fit in among the young crowd by dressing like they do and using "hip slang". It's painfully obvious and cringe-inducing. You said yourself that the quickest way for a guy to get downgraded to casual status was by being "pretty, but dumb". That slightly air-headed quality isn't something that a guy can just mimic and …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 01:36 AM
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Intuitively, as a skinny guy at 5'11", I personally feel like it's true. If you lack size as a guy, you have to have a really wide frame or be really tall (like 6'2"+) in order for women to perceive your raw outward appearance as masculine. With average height and average shoulder breadth, you're basically better off being a little chubby because then at least you'll look bigger and stronger than she is. Obviously looking big due to actual muscle mass is the ideal, but if that's not an option, I…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 08:21 AM
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Those seem like decent ratings, except I would rate the girl in each photo as being at least a tad above the guy. Especially in that last photo.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 03:12 AM
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That reminds me of the joke by Jim Jefferies that goes something like "Want to know how I can be sure I'm a 5? Because when strangers walk past me, nothing happens".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 10:55 PM
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I think the idea is that, since attractiveness largely has an objective biological basis, it's not absolutely necessary for the attractiveness within an actual population to take a normal distribution / bell curve. It's possible for there to be more 3's and 4's than there are 5's in the world, because what constitutes a "5" isn't simply automatically determined by whatever the median person looks like. People are not being rated strictly in comparison to each other—there's also an element of com…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 03:52 PM
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That guy must be autistic if he can't get pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 09:35 AM
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I've been visiting that subreddit once in a while for a few years and I've seen maybe 5 posts from people who were actually ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 04:39 AM
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Yep. People use the term "Unpopular opinion" to mean "Opinion of mine that I don't think is getting enough acceptance". So even if the opinion has well above majority acceptance on the particular subreddit, the poster will still call it unpopular because they're not satisfied with their opinions being shared by any less than 100% of other users.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 04:39 AM
2

So you prefer unattractive, socially inept men? Because that's what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 04:36 AM
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How is this even remotely an unpopular opinion? It's, like, an entire pillar of the red pill to claim that men are falling short of sexual success because we are following feminized dating advice given to us by women (and/or feminized men) and that we sorely lack strong masculine role models.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 10:22 AM
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Because most of the PPD users who believe in hypergamy at all think it's something woven into a woman's DNA as opposed to something women are conditioned to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 10:14 AM
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The example that sticks out in my mind was when it dawned on me that the reason why women give "confusing" answers to being asked for a date/sex, as opposed to just being straightforward and honest, is probably because they've tried being straightforward in the past and were met with a negative or aggressive reaction from the guy. It's a learned response. Whenever a guy asks "Why is this chick being so confusing?", the answer is because male behavioral patterns suggest that he has a very non-neg…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 12:57 AM
0

Agreed 100%
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 06:38 AM
1

That's one way to put it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 04:54 AM
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On PPD, however, people just overlook these huge, often illogical, assumptions and entertain OP’s claims anyway. You might argue that that’s a feature of PPD and helps keep things interesting. Fair enough, I can’t argue with that and we’ll have to agree to disagree. I wouldn't go as far as to call it an outright "feature". It's more like a trade-off that's just part of the PurplePillDebate package. This place can be intensely enjoyable and interesting as long as you know what you're getting in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 02:36 AM
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Oh I'm certain there are debate subreddits with less soapboxing and more strict moderation, but nevertheless I feel like this sub is special somehow. The slightly more laissez-faire approach to moderation is part of its beauty. PPD is mostly people making throwaway accounts to make bad-faith CMV threads which serve as a soapbox more than an opportunity to genuinely C their V Right, but even a thread that gets posted with the intention of soapboxing can still lead to interesting (genuine) debates…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 04:51 AM
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Whenever anyone here starts talking shit about the sub, I always suggest that they try debating these issues on pretty much any other subreddit in order to be reminded of how good we actually have it here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 06:06 PM
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Even when the sex is the only good thing, most men will bother being in a relationship because they CAN'T get sex without the explicit offer of a relationship. In very, very few cases will the man and woman actually be on the same page regarding the "only good thing being sex". In any given heterosexual partnership, it is overwhelmingly more likely that the man will consider sex to be an outright positive aspect of the partnership while the woman's attitude is lukewarm at best. If you want a fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 03:05 PM
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Why would anyone believe that there are "advantages" to being an orbiter? Do blue pill people even say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 02:49 PM
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But he's a comedian who was never going for "handsome leading man" roles. He plays roles where good looks aren't a requirement, and where being kinda goofy looking might actually help. I mean most male comedians and comedic actors are decidedly not all that handsome.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 04:45 PM
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It's funny to me that the go-to example is always Adam Driver. I don't think there's ever been less of a consensus on whether a person is attractive or not than in his case. He has been turned into the male version of Hilary Swank. But I feel as though you're putting undue focus on women as the culprits here. Men seem to engage in the same type of flawed thinking about attraction and looking for that quirky "unconventional" girl who – by means of some mysterious workings of the universe – no one…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/21 08:59 PM
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Nobody would give 2 fucks about Adam Driver if he wasn't a famous actor. He has a weird looking face. But in order to get the acting roles he gets in the first place, enough people must have thought he had a face worth putting on screen, and in "leading man" roles no less.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/21 08:51 PM
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That's not the point. It's that women act like they're doing men a favor by """settling""" for something that's decidedly above average. It's like if a guy tried to virtue-signal about not being into big boobs by saying he was "okay with" 36Ds.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/21 08:21 PM
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Down. I've maybe had a few chances to date "up" but ruined them by acting too spergy and anxious. My social skills are kinda shitty and approaching human interaction with cool indifference has never been one of my strengths.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 05:29 AM
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Anyone can end up being "used" for sex if they go into the partnership with expectations of something more and don't find out until later that the other person just wanted sex. It has nothing to do with what year it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 10:07 AM
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No one said "average".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 04:21 PM
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Because the motivation for paying for a prostitute isn't as simple as "being horny". I mean, there are a ton of horny, lonely men out there who aren't paying for prostitutes because, although doing so would allow them to have sex, it wouldn't fill the void left by the lack of true female desire. The context of the sex matters, even from men's point of view. As you can imagine, it matters far more from a woman's point of view. She wants to be fucked by Chad, but only after being seduced by Chad. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/21 11:44 PM
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I mean, ugly women don't really have access to Chad though. Believe it or not, men have some standards. The Chads who I knew in high school / college wouldn't have ever hooked up with a decidedly below-average chick; in fact many of them openly scoffed at the idea. I do agree that women have sexual access to men at least a couple of points above themselves without paying, though, and perhaps they find that to be sufficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/21 11:32 PM
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Take a selfie and apply that "Gender Swap" filter.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 08:47 PM
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Why? Is it because I used the word "incel" a couple of times?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 06:53 PM
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It doesn't bother them that much because they prefer being Chad's fourth wife over being Billy Beta's only wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 06:41 PM
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This doesn't directly answer your question, but my assumption when I see looks-mismatched couples is that they must have been more similar in attractiveness when they first got together and then one partner let themselves go over the years or became the victim of unfortunate aging symptoms (balding, etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 09:08 PM
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Analogies aren't meant to apply to every aspect of the situation. By saying "fish can't talk", you're focusing on the irrelevant aspects. Because even if fish could talk, and even if they did want to give us advice on how to catch them, they would only ever give advice that's beneficial for the fish. They don't actually care about the goals of the fisherman. They would say "Treat us all perfectly and give us everything we want, and maybe, someday, if you're lucky, one fish will decide to bite yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:44 PM
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No they won't. They'll get a man who was so desperate to get with them that he was willing to be a slave to their every whim. The man who lets himself be controlled like that is not the man they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:39 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 06:12 PM
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Okay, but that entire issue is happening inside the mind of the woman in question, right? I'm not trying to invalidate it; just saying. How are other people supposed to read her mind and understand out of nowhere that she was having "unhealthy" sex because she viewed it a certain way but didn't tell anyone? because our cultural narrative is "if you give consent, the sex was healthy" I think it's more like: If you give consent, there's no way for the other person to surmise that the sex wasn't he…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 06:07 PM
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I would want to understand how I could avoid that in the future There is literally no way to avoid it in the future without simply getting him to communicate what's on his mind more clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 05:59 PM
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I went and watched this episode. It was pretty good, but I'm not sure it captured the "based" essence of TRP as well as I expected. The main character, who gets cheated on, was arguably just as good looking as the guy his wife cheats with (or in the same general league). It might have been more impactful if he had been average looking. And some of the indications that she was still into him weren't very subtle / weren't things that could only have been found out using the memory technology. It w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 04:47 PM
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But they don’t factor into the equation the fact that women’s attraction takes more into account. Or, if they do, they consider it an insult, the way a man dating an ugly woman for other reasons would be an insult and settling. Exactly. It is settling. So where's the misunderstanding? Whether someone's attraction to another is an insult or not is surely in the eye of the recipient, right? So you can't just tell someone "This is how my attraction to you works and by the way it's not an insult". W…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 02:50 PM
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MGTOWs might because it's safer and no drama. That statement is just part of the coping mechanism, isn't it? What straight male, of those who can get real action, actually chooses a hunk of silicone over getting said real action? With maybe a few rare exceptions, most men are willing to put up with a little drama as long as they're having their sexual needs met or exceeded. I mean I would understand if we were talking about some sort of hyper-realistic sex dolls of the future that were essential…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 12:50 AM
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Okay. So what? That doesn't change the fact that whining doesn't help men. Yes it's unfair. I get that. But what is to be gained?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 05:20 PM
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I don't think it's directly an insult, but it is kind of concerning if someone tried to compliment you and all they could come up with was "Nice". I mean it's like being told "You have adequate hygiene" as a compliment. It's not really a compliment because it just means you're meeting baseline expectations. The "insult" lies in the fact that you're not going above those expectations in any way. In other words: You're boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 03:42 PM
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Does it really? In what way exactly? I mean I feel like it works for them insofar as it doesn't cancel out men's feeling of desire for them, but I don't think it positively adds to their attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 03:38 PM
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But whining isn't attractive, no matter how much truth there is to it or how justified it may seem in the eyes of the whiner. No one has ever become more attractive by talking about how they wish they were more attractive or by complaining about how attractive someone else is. When an incel whines about having no options, what reaction does he expect? What are people supposed to say to him?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 09:02 AM
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Because "thicc" is supposed to mean just a little bit of fat in the right places. A.k.a. noticeable curves. We needed a new term to denote curvy women after the fat-asses started using the word "curvy" as a euphemism for "fat".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 03:22 PM
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If that obese dude looking like the OG neck beard jpg at Anime Weekend Atlanta in 2019 could get his dick sucked by a cute girl in a zero two cosplay in the convention hotel center backrooms, so can you. That literally isn't happening though. The fact that it's "Anime Weekend" doesn't change human nature and sexual dynamics. The cute girl doesn't want to suck the obese neckbeard's dick just because they tangentially share some interests. I've encountered the types of people you're talking about.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 09:23 AM
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I'm not denying that men are also susceptible to aging, but "The Wall" isn't just about physical traits. It's about physical traits beginning to decline and this decline coinciding with a shift in what the person is looking for. "Alpha fux / beta bux" and all that. Before "The Wall", she dates the type of guy who makes her feel excitement and makes her want to go wild in bed. After "The Wall", she dates the safe option who she can lock down. Excitement is an afterthought. "The Wall" is more abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 09:07 AM
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5'11" isn't manlet height. It's not a hard dichotomy between Chad and manlet.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 08:09 AM
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It’s not a math problem. One relationship isn't a math problem. But I'm talking about the larger-scale trends that many relationships give rise to. I said in my last comment that I was painting with a broad brush.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 06:16 AM
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Oh shit, sorry. That's a typo. I meant 80. Men peak at 80.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 12:23 AM
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And a lot of men do prefer beautiful women But the only men who can actually get with those women are the men in their league or above. Or some kind of gold-digging scenario. The reverse situation is not the same. Average women think they are "settling" when they are stuck dating men in their own league. And now you're asking men "Why do you want to be settled for?" The answer: I DON'T want to be settled for. What I want is for a woman who corresponds to my attractiveness level to admit that dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 12:21 AM
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Yes, but keep in mind that it goes by 7's. A girl who's fucked six dogs has an n-count of 42.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 11:57 PM
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It's probably because you're an early-20's woman and he's a 60-year-old man. Don't you know that that's when men are at their peak?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 11:54 PM
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Nothing is guaranteed, but I think the reality (which you may view as unfortunate) is that there are plenty of "good men" out there who are willing to give commitment to women like the ones in the top half of your image solely based on those women's looks. Based on my observation of the natural Chads that I knew growing up, I think one of the biggest misconceptions among red-leaning men is that all men are equally attracted to the "nice innocent girl" trope. I mean, many men certainly are, but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 10:57 AM
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No homo, but I just gotta say that Henry Cavill's looks are probably in a league of their own above all other humans, male or female. Like just in sheer objective terms I can't imagine a more perfect face. It's like he was created in a lab. There's Chad and then there's Giga-Chad. He's more like Yotta-Chad. And even he gets rejected by women? There is truly no hope for the rest of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 10:20 AM
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I've always thought that the stereotype of the "sexless male" as some basement-dwelling neckbeard gamer was a little unfair. I think Tom Haverford is a little too charismatic to be the average incel though. The show depicts him getting unrealistically hot women but I think a guy like him in real life could maybe get women within his own league, i.e. like a couple of points lower than the girlfriends they showed him getting on the show.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:04 AM
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I'll have to check this one out. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 11:56 PM
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Can you give me a link to that study? That's extremely interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 11:29 PM
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Why? Did something bad happen already?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 08:17 AM
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A lot of men don't create some Pixar-level anime avatar of themselves that looks nothing like their true IRL likeness like women do. That's true, but my point was even more basic: that we men often don't even recognize which pictures of ourselves are the best and when/why a specific picture is bad. I'm fairly red-leaning but I don't put stock in the OKCupid stats. Yes, I acknowledge that men and women don't find each other visually attractive at the same rate, with a hard lean in favor of women …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 07:16 AM
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He's fairly beta. He's also pretty decent looking though, and I would say he's just above the threshold where a guy can afford to be beta and still get a committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 06:07 AM
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A lot of men are simply terrible at making profiles with appealing pictures of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 04:11 AM
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Right, lol thank you for defending me. I know I'm getting downvoted by fat women on that other comment. As if anyone was seriously going to respond to this thread with Melissa McCarthy over those other choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 11:17 AM
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I don't mean to sound critical but I don't see the point of including Melissa McCarthy if you're already including Ashley Graham. Graham definitely represents the upper limit of how "Big" you can get in the BBW realm before it's just too much. And even she's on the borderline, i.e. far too thick for my taste (and that of most men) but maybe not too much for some guys out there. Is any straight male actually attracted to Melissa McCarthy? Did you only put her in this post as the female equivalent…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 08:24 AM
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My own personal answer would be Christina Hendricks with slightly less exaggerated proportions. Those ratios don't occur naturally and methinks there's quite a bit of either surgical enhancement or squeezing flab into an hourglass-shaped dress. Don't get me wrong – "curvy and voluptuous" is the ideal female body type in my view. But I wouldn't point to Hendricks as the ideal example. For me it would be more like Jennifer Love Hewitt or Scarlett Johansson at their peaks. Salma Hayek is another ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 08:22 AM
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People go out in groups but then only interact within those groups. I've gotten weird looks for trying to interact outside of "my" group, and I wasn't even trying to approach a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 07:59 AM
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If she was the one to bring up "sex" as an idea for an activity, then she was probably already planning on having sex with you, right? I think OP is looking for examples of beta-ish males who couldn't attract women, then took on more of an asshole persona, and suddenly found themselves getting more of the attention they wanted. What specifically do those men do – that they weren't doing before – that they believe falls into the "asshole" category?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 07:30 AM
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We may not always agree, but you and I think very much alike. I've asked this question several times without getting any answer I would call satisfactory.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 07:27 AM
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Congrats on being genetically blessed, but I really don't think most guys can just "hover around" prime Mike Tyson's physique without 'roids. Or were you trying to imply that you're not natural either?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 12:34 AM
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Is this a situation where the old saying applies: "Sex is like air. It only matters when you're not getting any."? If male sexlessnes and desperation are indeed increasing, then it makes sense that our fixation on sex, and our pedestalization of it, would be increasing in similar proportions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 10:03 AM
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If all I hear about someone is that they like fucking, my perception of them is that they’re probably quite sexual. I wouldn’t isolate my interactions with them to only sex, though; they’re still a complex person outside of their sexual interests. But wanting to have sex with someone doesn't necessarily mean you're reducing them down to their sexuality and nothing else. I think OP is just saying that people shouldn't be surprised / offended at the reputations they create for themselves. Having a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 01:23 AM
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Lol very true. I hadn't thought of it like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 12:09 AM
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So are you asking whether men/women lie about their n-counts or why they lie? Because the incentive to lie comes down to a simple "slut vs. stud" dynamic, doesn't it? Women worry about being shamed for having had too many partners, while men worry about being shamed for having had too few. So women play down their numbers while men play theirs up. Let me know if I'm missing the depth of your question here. But I think the answer is obvious. Everyone is aware that sex is a topic that garners judg…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 02:59 AM
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My first piece of advice is that you might want to look for advice in a less jaded place than this subreddit. Make a self-deprecating joke about your height once in a while, maybe. I think people tend to be seen as ultra-confident when they voluntarily 'own' their own flaws, so to speak. That's all I got.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 10:48 AM
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Finding someone you feel "love and passion" for isn't that easy. The attempts to find love and passion are often characterized by rejection, mismatched expectations, deception, unfairness, jealousy, etc. etc. etc. And even if you do find love and passion, the initial feelings don't automatically last forever. You have to work at it. It's called "The Honeymoon Phase" for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 08:34 AM
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I don't know any promiscuous woman, I mean genuinely that thinks it "doesn't matter," .. they only think it is isn't important. "Doesn't matter", "isn't important".... what's the difference? The point is that there are plenty of promiscuous women who think that a guy is doing something "wrong" by avoiding dating them as a consequence of their promiscuity or by walking away from a relationship after he finds out about his girlfriend's past promiscuity. In other words, they're so dogmatic about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 02:26 AM
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If they are allowed to say we're "gross" for being promiscuous, then why aren't we allowed to say that they're "gross" for their preference for chastity in their partners? I never meant that it isn't okay to call a specific behavior "gross", whether that behavior is lots of casual sex or simply another judgment, like shaming someone for lots of casual sex. As long as the conflict exists only in the "abstract space" of people judging one another, without any real-life ramifications that affect th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 09:35 AM
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Yes, which means they view ugly men as being worse than a dumpster fire, which supports my statement that being an ugly man is worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 03:26 AM
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Yes, I know. And that's why I added the "It sounds shitty" clause to my statement. I understand that being fucked and tossed aside without any semblance of a relationship isn't the type of life that ugly women want to be living. I'm just making the point that getting casual sex once in a while is at least a small step above never getting anything at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 03:24 AM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 03:20 AM
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I think you have to give the advantage to "Attractive men" based on the sheer numbers resulting from the sexual dynamics. The "thirst imbalance" between men and women puts women at an advantage along most of the scale. But those super-attractive women (and all women below them) are obviously attracted to someone. They're not repulsed by literally all men. As a result, all the imbalance that the bottom 95% of men are putting up with is flipped at the top. It's imbalanced in the other direction. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 08:52 AM
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If you're an ugly woman, someone out there will still be willing to have sex with you, even if they would never want anyone to know they had sex with you. It sounds shitty, but hey... it could be worse: You could be an ugly man, in which case no one will want anything to do with you for any reason. Having said that, below a certain threshold of "hell no, wtf" ugliness, like legitimate 0.5/10 dumpster fires, it probably doesn't matter whether you're one or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 06:45 AM
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So why are we always talking about women with high n counts? Because as with any other major disparity between two people, it’s very obvious that it wouldn’t be a good match. If this is so obvious to you, then you may not be in the target audience of this post because you don't share the view that I'm arguing against. There are people who place n-count in a distinctly different territory than something like "Liberal vs Conservative couples" and whatnot. They argue that even with a disparity in n…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 05:11 AM
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Because his viewpoint might entail wanting to avoid dating anyone who ever viewed sex casually. You're assuming that the here-and-now view is the only one that matters to either partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 02:35 AM
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By saying your boyfriend doesn't care because he also has a high partner count, you're kinda missing the point. The issue only tends to matter in relationships where one partner has been more promiscuous than the other and the less promiscuous partner has a problem with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 02:34 AM
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No it is not. Did you even read it? It's not a post about communication. The point about communication was only brought up tangentially because people deal with the main issue (promiscuity and judgments about promiscuity) by lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 02:31 AM
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That is not the essence of the entire post.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 05:22 PM
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Changed my tune from elsewhere in this post? No I have not. That was always the point. When did I ever suggest that you should "tell everyone every last detail"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 07:35 AM
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I'm not advocating for any rule that's that specific, and I'm certainly not recommending that you tell everyone every last detail without being prompted. It's not like there are universal criteria for "too many partners" or "too much of [xyz] sex act" anyway. Someone may not need the whole story to at least know that they're not interested. And my point isn't about where exactly that cut-off should be, because there's no way I could come up with a solution that works for any random relationship …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 07:23 AM
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That statement is more of a secondary point / upshot of my post though, rather than the main point. The main point is specifically about judging promiscuity. There are those who believe it's wrong to judge sexual history in any capacity, no matter how much communication takes place, and I'm arguing against that. The "communication" part of my post only came up because people often handle this issue by lying about it, and I was trying to demonstrate how that seems to only make the issue worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 03:48 AM
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Sure, in most cases it probably doesn't end up making a difference in the type of relationship she ends up getting. I'm still not sure that we explicitly disagree on anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 03:45 AM
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conservatives like you care enough to fight things like "lbtq acceptance" or "hook up culture" or "immigration" I never said I was a conservative or that I was fighting any of those things. I'm not against LGBT acceptance and I'm certainly not against people hooking up with each other. This post isn't about whether *I* personally care about the sexual history of my own sexual partners. It's about whether someone who does care deserves to be shamed into no longer caring. And I'm saying no, it doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 12:39 AM
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I appreciate the response, but I do have one clarifying question. Do you know how many partners your boyfriend has been with? I'm asking because this issue only tends to matter when there's a disparity. If he's been with a lot of women himself, then he probably doesn't feel as jealous or envious even if he suspects that you have been with a lot of guys. You say this: I know that all of his sex before me was casual, so he views sex the same way as I do which implies that the dynamic between you t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 09:14 PM
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I strongly disagree with the idea that most people, specifically men, don't want to talk about this issue. I've never been asked. But have you ever thought that maybe the reason you weren't asked wasn't because the issue didn't matter, but rather because the guy didn't want to know the answer? I referred to this in my post by linking an earlier CMV post from someone else who touched upon this exact topic and provided several reasons why men avoid asking about sexual history even though we defini…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 08:50 PM
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Definitely not the first question, but if it matters to someone, then it should be discussed early on in a relationship. Before it gets to the point of hurt feelings if the two people discover some sort of incompatibility in viewpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 08:37 PM
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I'm torn on this. I think it's definitely lying by omission if the topic comes up and you provide an answer that doesn't tell the whole story. But if the topic legitimately never comes up, not even tangentially, then I don't think you can fairly call it lying, by omission or otherwise. That's why I tried to present an equal burden of responsibility in my post: The promiscuous partner has an obligation not to lie, but the less promiscuous partner (or the partner who cares about sexual history) al…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 08:35 PM
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Why does promiscuity only “count” if it’s female? That’s ridiculous. It doesn't. In fact, it only "matters" at all if it matters to the people in the specific relationship. And sure, go ahead and reverse the genders around and I don't think it changes anything. If a non-promiscuous woman wants to reject a promiscuous man, for the sole reason that he was promiscuous and nothing else, then that's her prerogative. Or it could be a woman rejecting a woman or a man rejecting a man. I don't care about…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 05:39 PM
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The issue is when high N men throw a fit because they want a low N women even though women with truly low Ns would never date the type of guy that spent his youth chasing the vagina van. That may be the issue in your experience, and I have seen this view expressed here before, but it's not the only issue I've encountered. There are plenty of people who take offense at the idea of any man, even a low-n man, rejecting a woman based on her promiscuous history. And my point is: Go ahead and take off…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 05:36 PM
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No one I am interested in would care. Okay, then why do you care so much about changing the attitudes of those who you are not interested in anyway? The guys who believe that promiscuity matters are outside of the scope of who you're trying to date/marry/hook-up with. So, as I see it, their views on sex are categorically irrelevant to you. Just ignore them, continue to avoid dating them, but let them keep believing promiscuity matters if they want to believe it. This is exactly the "having your …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 05:04 PM
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That's part of my point. The sooner this issue comes to light between two partners, the sooner they can figure out that they're not compatible and move on. And I didn't mean to say that it would happen only from the perspective of the less promiscuous partner deciding that the other had had too many partners. It could also be the more promiscuous partner deciding they want to find someone less judgmental. Either way, there is no point in lying about how you feel about this issue or concealing yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 04:51 PM
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It's funny that you should bring this up, because I actually posted a CMV a few days ago about sexual consistency being more important than n-count, or at least that being the logical view. So, in a sense, I agree. But I wrote this post while operating from the standpoint that the number itself is what matters, since that seems to be the dominant view around here. And of course I never meant to imply that the number doesn't or shouldn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 04:46 PM
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I never explicitly stated the "early on or never" part, but otherwise this is pretty much exactly one of the two main points made in my post. If sexual history is the type of issue that's going to throw a wrench into your relationship, then get it figured out before there's even a relationship to throw a wrench into.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 04:41 PM
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Male, 29 Intimate sex. In my (relatively limited) experience, it can be fun to have a no-strings-attached fling, but the fun is usually fleeting and outweighed by other factors, including worrying about STDs/birth control with someone you're not committed to. And something about the lack of intimacy tends to make casual sex feel quite mechanical. I mean it still feels nice, but I'll admit that I've had casual sessions where jerking off would have felt better, from the standpoint of pure physical…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:41 AM
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women who are virgins are praised I think this really depends on the woman's age. Virginity among women may receive praise when she's younger, but outside of religious circles I think people kinda stop praising female virginity once she reaches her mid-20s or so. If a girl (who isn't highly religious) is still a virgin at 28, it's probably because she has some serious sexual hang-ups.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:37 AM
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I used it in quotes for exactly the reason you're hinting at. I didn't come up with the term "slut tell". It's simply the term used for that concept on this forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:35 AM
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Why only if she went to college? Tinder doesn't require a college degree. While I wouldn't put forth a specific number, I think it's more like, if she has a vagina and isn't obese, you can assume she's been around the block a few times.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 03:38 AM
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I said "exercise" because you called it a right. People exercise rights. Rule... right... whatever. The point is that if you can't actually enforce it, it's just a suggestion then and just means making your partner aware that he's hurting your feelings if he chooses porn over you. Declaring "You have to fuck me when you're horny and aren't allowed to take care of it another way" seems kinda beyond the level of control that most relationship "rules" involve.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 12:36 AM
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How can you possibly exercise right of first refusal in a situation like this? Like what does that look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 09:08 PM
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OP obviously isn't referring to things the girl doesn't like. He's clearly pointing out degrees of sexual adventurousness that the girl volunteered on her own accord and out of her own personal lust/enthusiasm. It's not "boyfriend pressured her into anal so she did it once then stopped", it's "girl woke ex up with a blowjob every day, asked to get tied up and treated like a fuck-doll and would wear a buttplug to class while sending panty shots to him but with current boyfriend only volunteers un…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 05:35 AM
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As the OP of this thread, I'll admit the "swallowing cum" example may not have been the best, but I do agree with the person you replied to that you kinda missed the point. It's about the girl's willingness to do taboo/"slutty" things in bed as a reflection of her attraction to the guy. The hotness of the guy has a pretty strong correlation to the level of taboo she'll go up to in order to keep him interested. As stated in my post, it doesn't have to be about a specific act. It could simply be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:18 PM
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Well then it's a good thing that the conversation was never meant to be about that and it's a total straw man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:11 PM
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I think this comment is taking the conversation way too far off the rails and making a very unwarranted accusation. It's not about "enduring pain" for anyone. I wouldn't expect that at all, of any partner. The sexual inconsistency I'm taking about is sheer inconsistency as a reflection of varying levels of attraction. She was willing to try [random taboo sex act] with past boyfriends but not with me because those guys were hotter and/or more exciting. As I see it, there are two possible explanat…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:06 PM
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Yep. "I just thought I could fix him."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 07:42 PM
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Someone posted a thread on here recently saying that we shouldn't be thinking of the dichotomy in terms of "assholes" versus "nice guys", but rather in terms of "exciting guys" versus "boring guys". There simply seems to be a lot of overlap, i.e. a lot of "exciting guys" also have asshole-ish traits and a lot of "nice guys" are boring. And I think women often are often attracted to guys who act like assholes to everyone else but not necessarily directly to her. Another factor is the fact that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 02:38 PM
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I don't think anyone is arguing that you should all want to do it. They're just arguing that you have the option. If you're repulsed by porn and/or the whole concept of selling sex, then don't participate. No one is going to stigmatize you for not making porn. But I agree that using platforms like OnlyFans to make a living isn't as easy as it looks, not least because the market is oversaturated. Average girls hear about the top-tier models making in the six-figure range per month and then sudden…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 07:28 PM
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Do you agree? Do you think there's more to it? Do you think this is biology, sociology, or a bit of both? Yes, and it's probably a bit of both biology and sociology. Sex biologically involves far greater risks for the woman than it does for the man. In light of his lower level of risk, he can't really pass it off as some sort of concession to "let" the woman fuck him. That, plus the fact that men have sex drives that make us want to bang women below our looksmatch just to get off. A guy who's wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 07:09 PM
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I mean, I think if it were that easy for all men, then all or most men would be doing it. Over the past decade or two, hasn't there been a significant uptick in the amount of male tourists from the West visiting East Asian countries? It used to be primarily older men who went on "sex tourism" trips but lately it's been popular among men in their 20s and 30s as well. I imagine that's the reason. Guys who are fairly average want to see what it's like to be Chad. But for some less fortunate guys, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 03:41 AM
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Okay. First of all, I'm not disputing any of these numbers. If the studies have indicated that high-n women cheat more, then that's fine. (Although it seems plausible to me that these studies are hinting at promiscuity and subsequent cheating being results of the same root cause, not necessarily that one is the cause of the other.) What I am going to dispute is the idea that that's actually why men avoid slutty women. (And for the record, I'm a guy.) The real reason is because men are emotionall…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 11:17 PM
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/u/spacechicken1990 No it's not. Did you even read the post? I've said in the post and in this thread that this issue mostly comes down to male insecurity, and I have not even once discouraged promiscuity. In fact, I've gone so brazenly against the grain of the normal red-pill male opinion on this sub that many commenters here have assumed I was female. Please point out any part of my post that conveys "anger at women". If a guy said that he enjoyed one of his past partner's "bobs and vagene" be…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 10:41 PM
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I'll remember this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 10:34 PM
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As stated elsewhere, I'm male. But why should that prevent me from admitting that a fair amount of male insecurity/envy tends to rear its head in conversations like these? I'm not necessarily even trying to say that men shouldn't be insecure. Rather it's that the discussion always defaults to n-count when there is a much more logical aspect of a woman's history to be insecure about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 08:11 PM
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I'm a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 08:09 PM
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A lot of the "fuss" about this issue comes down to the fact that it's far, far easier for the average woman to rack up a high body count than it is for the average man (key word: "average"). This leads to a significant level of envy on the male side because they wish they could have sex with new partners that easily. Although there are certainly cases of partnerships with large disparities in body count, I find that sex is fundamental enough to the human experience that people with drastically d…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 05:59 PM
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It's apparently a saying among knitting hobbyists though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 01:42 AM
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Sex work isn’t just fucking for money, and everyone’s line is different. I stripped, never fucked anyone, still could clear a couple grand in a weekend easy. Letting a few guys touch your butt feels a lot less gross when you’re holding 1000+ bucks cold hard cash at the end of the night. For whatever reason I was under the impression that OP was referring to transactional intercourse specifically. Maybe they weren't. But that aside, my gut feeling is still that most women are seriously averse to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 09:49 PM
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An ex-girlfriend of mine who used to knit all the time during our relationship once made a comparison between the two: "Knitting is like sex: If I like you, it's free. If I don't like you, you could never pay me enough." Assuming this indeed rings true in the minds of most women, then I think it's pretty clear that it's not really about the stigma – They're just that viscerally turned off by the idea of transactionally fucking random strangers; the amount of money essentially doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 03:42 PM
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Being an escort is kind of a huge leap from having an OnlyFans account though. Of all the girls who are willing to sell pornographic images of themselves to thirsty neckbeards through an app, how many of them would be willing to engage in physical touching / penetration with said thirsty neckbeards? I assume that most girls with OnlyFans accounts are already up against their hard limit for the extent of the sex work they're willing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 03:37 PM
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"settle for someone" "Settling for something" was already a phrase with negative connotations because it implies that the person believes they deserve something better. In the phrase "settling down", at least before the shift in meaning that Atlas_B is talking about, the word "settle" has always been meant in an essentially literal sense. It means that you are putting down roots somewhere and no longer moving around – whether that's from one geographical location to another or from one relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 02:11 PM
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They don't want to spend weeks warming a reticent newbie to the idea. It's nice to just fuck someone who knows what she's doing. And sucks a good dick. A lot of guys seem to overlook this. They idealize the possibility of marrying a virgin without realizing that women who remain virgins into their 20s probably do so for a reason, such as a low sex drive / hang-ups about sex or a notion of sex as something "special" that should only happen under specific circumstances. Even if you can find a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 07:16 PM
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Because it's not really about the "butt" specifically, but about the whole shape of the hips/posterior region of the body. Saying that a woman has a nice ass often actually means that she has very feminine hips, whereas the ass itself, though it "fills out" that area, is rather secondary.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 09:22 PM
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That is fairly culturally relative. And even as an American, I would say that the female chest and the female posterior are about equally sexualized. If they weren't, there wouldn't be the whole "ass man versus boob man" debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 09:20 PM
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Being a nurse is one of the biggest red flags there are Why? That seems very arbitrary to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 07:25 AM
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Kids
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 04:28 AM
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It's "bad" in the sense that, if a guy actually believes that women behave like that, he is bound to take very little action toward securing female attraction since he's prone to believing that this Manic Pixie Dreamgirl is just going to fall into his lap someday. That's part of the trope: Depicting women as the ones who take all the initiative and "rescue" lame, depressed men from themselves. How often does that happen to regular men? Any woman who is halfway fun and attractive is too busy bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 09:27 AM
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But the stupidly lucky ones make up an even smaller sub-set of the rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 03:18 AM
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Yes. This is something I've tried to express many times on this subreddit but I feel like it always falls on deaf ears. Desperate, sexless "nice guy" type men who claim that women only give attention to assholes are usually suffering from a falsely calibrated asshole-meter. This problem is carried over into the debate because we all start talking about "assholes" without any concrete examples of "asshole" behavior. One guy says "Women love assholes" and he's just imagining a guy who isn't a door…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 03:12 AM
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Eh... as creepy as it may sound, I think some guys are attracted to the age itself and, by extension, turned on by the number. I mean, I agree that no one thinks "20 is such a sexy number", per se, but in an egotistical sense, a guy will get excited by the number because it confirms that he can get young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 02:05 AM
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But, to play devil's advocate, the disagreement could stem from the fact that only a portion of the women are both truly aware of and honest about their methods. Being around an attractive person causes most people to behave differently in subtle ways that they don't even realize, including minor changes in body language and tone of voice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 03:15 AM
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Who actually says that women from first-world countries are "better"? I think the point is that if you're a guy from a first-world country and you can get a woman from a first-world country, then you can actually "get" women. If the only women interested in you are from third-world countries, then that's a pretty blatant affirmation of your beta-bux standing, because it means that women don't really want you except as a walking green card / ATM. So, I guess some guys only want to chase after fir…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 05:20 AM
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An answer that I did not expect but fully agree with. I suppose it's why the term "butterface" is used when men describe women but there's no equivalent for women describing a man's appearance. A chick with a 3/10 face can still be smoking hot from the neck down.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 04:05 AM
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I've been browsing here since 2016. The user turnover has definitely picked up speed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 05:54 PM
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I feel like STDs are something where everyone thinks "It won't happen to me" until it does. Plus the fact that, for most people, sex just isn't nearly as physically or psychologically satisfying when you've got a smelly piece of latex preventing you from actually making skin-to-skin contact where it counts. Condoms have always reduced the sensation for me to the point where I couldn't stay hard and the girl and I just ended up giving up as opposed to making me "finish". My experience has been si…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 05:46 PM
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Is that really a threesome then or just two twosomes in close proximity?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 05:29 PM
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Maybe you're just super attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 08:29 AM
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But if she walks down the street she’s going to get catcalled the same way she would get inundated w messages on an app? No she won't. Maybe here and there, but not by literally every guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 01:46 PM
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The point is that dating apps make girls who are 5's believe that they're 8's because they get the same amount of attention online as the 8 would get in real life (or more, even). Let me lay it out for you: The user base of dating apps is already heavily skewed toward males. I think I read something saying that men outnumber women on Tinder by like 5:1 or worse. And then there is the staggering portion of those guys who swipe right on every. single. girl. unless she's like horribly deformed or i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 05:12 AM
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I mean, improvement is improvement is improvement, right? Why does it matter what the exact goal is? Plus, I think the point here is that aiming for average won't do a below-average guy much good in the long run because average guys don't fare that all that much better with women than below-average guys. If a guy has to put in a bunch of effort just to be average, then it's essentially not worth it. Moreover, since the amount of effort put in by most guys these days is miserably low, it doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 04:27 AM
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I agree in principle, but I've never seen a straight-up deformed guy who was smashing pussy. The trope of the ugly guy who gets a lot of action because of his personality is way overblown if you ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 04:23 AM
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she was very sweet, always baking me things she saw off of pinterest, bought me new clothes, invited me over to dinner with her family, helped me clean my room,etc. Do women really do all that and better for their fwb and one nightstand partners? No one is claiming that women do all of those things for their FWB and one-night-stand partners. It's better "treatment" in that she was willing to have casual sex with them at all . It's about the number of hoops the guy has to jump through to get sex.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 05:26 PM
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I'm not sure I would call it "more" competition. I'm not sure I would even call it equal. The fundamental difference seems to be that men compete with each other for average women, whereas women only compete for well-above-average men. So yeah, maybe women get 5x more "catty" with each other when they like the same guy, but only 1/5 of guys inspire that kind of behavior. And just to clarify: By "average", I don't necessarily mean some hyper-precisely defined statistical average; I simply mean th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 01:25 AM
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Fair point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 04:06 AM
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But the shirt doesn't come off until after she's decided to 'fawk' you, right? I mean I'm not really a proponent of steroids but just saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 03:58 AM
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No, men aren't really that clever. And for the record, I'm a guy. It seems like one of those labels for a phenomenon that only ever applies retroactively. A guy doesn't necessarily go out and say "I'm going to pump and dump a girl!" He simply looks for casual sex and occasionally finds it with a girl who is secretly hoping the sex will lead to something more, but neither side openly states their expectations. After they part ways, the guy "pumped and dumped" her in hindsight, which really just m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 11:01 PM
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No we don't. I said basically the same thing. A player is a guy who needs to use "game" to get women because he isn't blessed with the good looks or status to do it naturally. My comment said this: Chads get it naturally while "players" have to work for it. A player without his game is just a relatively average Joe. A Chad without game is still a Chad. And the other guy's comment said this: A player is any dude that 'plays' women. So someone who cheats, uses underhand tactics to get laid ect. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 07:53 PM
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I'm not the guy you responded to, but I would assume he means that Chads get it naturally while "players" have to work for it. A player without his game is just a relatively average Joe. A Chad without game is still a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 04:20 PM
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Hormones don't make us act rationally. Also, I think the guys who are giving attention to those women and getting attention back from those women aren't the same guys doing the complaining. If you're getting what you want, you have no reason to be hostile. The complainers are the guys who have tried to give attention to those women and have been met with rejection or ghosting. They make attempts to invalidate those women because they're (1) sour about being rejected, and (2) envious of those wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 12:52 PM
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For those who have a tall preference any and all straight women. FTFY. And I think if an analogy has to be made, you might say that a man's height is kinda like boobs on a woman, in terms of comparable traits. It's in that same category of immediate eye-catching features that get the attention of the opposite sex most easily, and perhaps most easily make up for other traits that are lacking. A girl who isn't exactly a head-turner will still get a crapload of attention if she's got big/"nice" boo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 05:32 PM
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Yes – "automatically attracted" in the sense that, as long as the girl meets a baseline level in the looks department, I would not turn her down if she gave me some kind of obvious green light. However, I definitely feel a much stronger sense of attraction when the girl is above the baseline standard and I think I actually have a chance with her. Laying eyes on a woman who's a 9.5/10 definitely makes me go "Wow, she's incredibly hot", and I'll think sexual thoughts, but I wouldn't say I get butt…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 09:48 PM
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I also thought that was ridiculous. Hundreds? Really? Triple digits are unlikely to be reached unless the girl is a sex worker.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 06:32 AM
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It's not meant in such a literal sense. Haven't you ever met one of your significant other's exes and clearly failed to measure up, or witnessed a situation where that's happened to someone else? It's not a secret that people lower certain standards and expectations as they get older. "Not being her first choice" just means that you're with a woman whom you couldn't have landed when she was young and beautiful because you wouldn't have stood out from the competition. She's only interested now th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 03:40 PM
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I think they're just sorta wordsmith-ing the idea to blur the lines and make the whole deal sound less transactional than it really is, or to make it sound like one shouldn't care about the transactional nature. It's not like those guys really need transactional sex since they could just fuck random fans if they wanted to. They probably prefer "tricking" because they know exactly what they're getting and they don't need to rely on it as a substitute for emotional validation in the same way that …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 03:26 PM
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with the right frame, charisma, and status, even a lawn gnome can make a hot woman melt into a pile of goo In theory, I suppose, but those things don't just fall out of the sky. Most men will never have enough charisma or status to make up for average/below-average looks, no matter how hard they try to develop those traits. People bring up this trope of the "ugly guy who slays because of his personality" but I've literally never seen it – not even once – in real life. Out of all the guys I've ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 03:05 PM
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It's a narrow window - I would say it's ages 18-22. 18-20 to be safe. Women still have an idealistic view of love at a young age and if you are her first, she can still love you for who you are. I've known men who marry their college/university/high school sweetheart and it works out very well. Okay... but if a guy is already well past those days of his life and is still single, he can't just "get" an 18-year-old girl just because he decides he wants one. Where are all these 18-year-old girls dy…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 09:57 AM
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Because women overwhelmingly feel a stronger sense of dread than men do about reaching the age of 30 and beyond.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:07 AM
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Then I joined r/childfree and noticed that like 80% of the sub are women?? God damn it seems like women really hate children. Calling them parasites and all sorts of stuff. Is it really that more women are against it, or that those women who are against it are more vocal about their feelings because they have to put up with more people asking them "wHeN aRe YOu goNnA hAVE KIdS?" all the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 04:15 AM
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I though the whole point of "divorce rape" as a concept is that guys never see it coming and there's literally no way for men to take measures in advance to filter out the women who might do it. All these "divorce rape" relationships supposedly seemed like blissful, marriage-worthy relationships at the time when marriage took place. The single moms who pick "poor men", on the other hand, aren't getting duped into making that choice. Those men wear their bad qualities on their sleeves from the ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:39 AM
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I don't think anyone means "average" in a strict mathematical sense or in any way that can be quantified, really. It's just "average" in the sense that there's nothing remarkable about the person, i.e. nothing that makes them stand out. They're not rich or famous or exceptionally talented or smart. They don't look like a model. They go to work for 40 hours per week and then come home and watch TV. The essence of it can't be boiled down to just one physical feature. You might say "I'm average bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 06:23 PM
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If Jon Lajoie ca. 2007 was "average looking", then I'm absolutely doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 06:14 PM
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I'm not entirely sure that this question fits the purpose of the subreddit, but as a guy, I've heard from multiple women that they prefer extra girth over extra length, basically for this exact reason. Extra length merely increases the probability of the penis hitting the cervix, whereas extra girth doesn't pose that risk but still increases the subjective feeling of being "filled up".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 05:12 AM
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I completely agree with the principle of what you're saying here, but I'm skeptical about how well it actually applies to the modern dating world, where the casual sex phase pretty much always seems to precede anything that can be called a "relationship".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 07:18 PM
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Female strangers: Probably never. I can't remember a single instance. Male strangers: Extremely rarely, but slightly more often than female strangers. Like, I can at least remember it happening before in my lifetime. Female friends: Rarely. Male friends: Very occasionally. Women you're sleeping with/dating: Extremely often, but my stats are skewed because I've only had one LTR before and it was with a woman who suffered from borderline personality disorder and was into "love bombing". Overall, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 06:32 AM
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Underpopulation wasn't the point of Idiocracy. It was that the ones doing all the reproducing had below-average IQs because those are the people who don't think before fucking and making babies. And all the smart people are too careful to ever pull the trigger on starting a family, because they sit around waiting for the conditions to be perfect. There weren't fewer people in that timeline, just dumber people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 05:26 AM
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Hm... well, I'm a guy, so I can't speak to that experience, but generally I've gotten the impression that men are far less discriminating than women in swiping right. Because for us, it's always a strict numbers game. Swiping on 500 women means maybe matching with 50 of them, which means being able to get responses from 10 of them, which means getting dates/sex with 2 or 3 of them. Every guy has slightly different stats but you get the idea. That leads me back to my first point: Since women (ten…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 08:00 AM
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While there may be a female equivalent to this phenomenon, I think it would be virtually impossible to sift through the data to figure out what it is, simply because women get inundated with attention solely for being female. There are a crapload of guys who swipe right on basically every girl. Like, women have to go out of their way to not get attention from guys, which means "What do they do to get more attention from guys online?" is a fairly pointless question.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 07:31 AM
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Because people are more miserable and defensive it makes opening up and talking to strangers more difficult than it would be in the South. This was my thought as well. Why does OP believe that "cheerful optimism" would make it harder to find a date? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 07:29 PM
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I mean, it's a tomato/tomahto situation, isn't it? Being burdened with fewer responsibilities is an advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 06:50 PM
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And that’s on her. Yes, it is. And while you may understand that it's on her, apparently a huge portion of women don't. That's my point. A very, very large portion of the population seems to believe that the onus is on men to change that preference rather than on women to simply accept that their promiscuity eliminates them as eligible bachelorettes in the eyes of certain men. I do not see why you think I was concern trolling. You're right that I do not care about the happiness of reformed hoes,…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 09:53 PM
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You can have whatever preferences you want. But guess what? So can everyone else. Definitely. But in my experience, it's primarily the promiscuous women who can't accept this. A girl will spend her college days sleeping around like there's no tomorrow and then absolutely throw a hissy fit when she meets Mr. Right and he has apprehension due to her past. It's the SLUTS who need to read your comment, not the guys dating the sluts (or refusing to date them). If a woman has a high n count, that's he…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 06:27 PM
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Most men, at least in the US, do not have a virgin obsession. Yes, many men looking for a long term, faithful relationship would prefer a woman who doesn't have a highly promiscuous past... but good grief, few men would consider 2 partners "promiscuous". I think most guys who have had relationships and been around the block a few times themselves just want women who don't have a reputation for sleeping around. Like, a lot of them might not even care about the exact number. They just don't want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 06:42 AM
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No shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 08:02 PM
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This seems like a slightly unfair question, because whether I get along with a woman "intellectually" depends 100% on the individual person. There's no possible way to lump all women together in this respect. In any context where we're talking about women as an entire group, the conversation is going to veer toward sex, because sexual attraction is the only thing I feel toward women universally based on gender alone. Literally any other quality or property that can be evaluated, like whether or …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 09:10 AM
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And in all likelihood, she already started shopping for a new guy within that same time frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 08:08 PM
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in your experience, do manwhores - I’m talking about dumpster divers - get respect and accolades from other men? Like I know men get props if they can bag like constant 7+ constantly, but if they all less than average (or even just average), is it seen as impressive? No. Among pretty much all the guys I've ever interacted with, being a "dumpster diver" is not something to brag about and is borderline gross. No one will ever be impressed by the amount of women you've been with if none (or just a …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/20 09:57 PM
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Common advice given to men is "stop using online dating, it only works if you're very attractive, go and meet women in real life instead." As I understand it, there's a huge caveat here, which is that your real-life approaches will only work "better" if you're the type of guy whose in-person presence can compete with the allure of the girl's online matches. In other words, you have to naturally ooze confidence and use attractive body language without skipping a beat. And even then, it might be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/20 05:30 PM
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All this terminology is rather relative to the overall aesthetics and health of people at the respective point in time, isn't it? A lot of women call themselves things like thicc and curvy when they're actually just overweight or obese from a clinical standpoint. People have gotten fatter and less healthy, but the terminology used to describe their figures has remained pretty "charitable", if you will, in that it reflects the shift in appearances while sorta beating around the bush and removing …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/20 05:51 AM
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30 and up now qualifies as "old"?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 02:58 PM
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I can't fathom why people in Red Pill, Blue Pill, FDS, mainstream media, all of you seem to have forgotten a history where women were considered the lustier ones. Sometimes killed for it. Definitely oppressed for it. Where the thought of being 'led astray' from more noble pursuits by a woman was common. Please explain your reasoning here because I have no idea how this is supposed to be telling me that women are equally thirsty as men. The concept of a man being 'led astray' by a lustful woman i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 11:34 PM
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Is it really the case that most of those men don't have the balls, or is it just that they know what the outcome will be before they even try? They know they'll get rejected, so they just take the "shortcut" of staying in their apartments jacking off to porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 03:44 PM
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As a guy (28) without children, I wouldn't automatically disqualify a single mom as a casual sexual partner, but I would disqualify her as a long-term partner. The problem is that my insistence on keeping things casual with her would probably disqualify me from her dating pool, because single parents usually aren't looking for flings. They're looking for someone with whom they can share the burden of raising children.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 07:35 PM
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There's no statistical problem. The idea is that most of the women rack up a high n-count by sleeping with a large portion of the Chads. AS a result, the Chads themselves have n-counts through the roof while average-ish men are either virgins or maybe get 'lucky' by getting Chad's scraps once in a while. We could go back and forth all day about what the specific numbers are, but it's the 80/20 rule at play. 20 percent of men are getting 80 percent of the casual sex. And then the rule applies rec…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 09:27 PM
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Yeah, I also thought that statement was ridiculous. I'm 5'11" and I exercise very regularly. I most definitely could not kick the ass of most 6'5" men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 05:45 PM
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Yeah. But not the intended reaction, which is what "works on me" implies.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 02:19 AM
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It's basically the idea that men who are in (straight) relationships can inspire more attraction/faithfulness from their female partners by actively displaying the fact that they've got other options. For instance, the harder a married guy tries to cater to his wife's every whim, the more rapidly her attraction to him will deteriorate. The effect of his actions will literally be the opposite of what's intended, since he's essentially demonstrating to her that he needs her to be happy, i.e. that …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 01:08 AM
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So... it literally doesn't work on you. If it worked on you as intended, it would make you want to stick around.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 12:43 AM
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I didn't read every word of your post but I think I agree with you. Incels needed to be banned for the same reason why many forums have to ban certain opinions. If incel-dom were allowed free rein, then it would only be a matter of time before it completely took over and this sub turned into either just another haven for incels or a place where the debate is based on "incels vs. everyone else". They won't have it any other way, so the only appropriate method is to put one's foot down and ban the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 07:48 PM
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What exactly do you mean by "more" sex? Does that refer to sex with a higher number of different partners or can it refer to being more active with the same partner? I would assume that the variety in partners tends to increase as you move toward the left side of the political spectrum and toward the non-religious side of the spirituality spectrum. However, that wouldn't necessarily imply that conservative/religious people are having less sex. For example, a lot of people in highly conservative …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 02:40 PM
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No I didn't. That's literally what your comment says, i.e. what you stated that your beliefs were. You said that if insufferable pricks got laid, then incels wouldn't be a thing. That statement of yours is the misunderstanding, because it ignores the fact that there are plenty of insufferable pricks who aren't incels. You thought those groups overlapped on a 1:1 basis but they do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 07:01 PM
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Yeah, sure. But your previous comment was implying that all jerks are incels. That does not follow from the statement "All incels are jerks".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 06:41 PM
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Incels do not unilaterally represent "insufferable pricks". There are plenty of jerks who are not incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 02:46 PM
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I'm very skeptical about this scenario being as common as you claim it is. However, as for your actual question, I don't think the couple would fare very well, especially if the partner who used to be promiscuous starts off the relationship by telling a "white lie" about it. It seems to me that there's simply no point in lying about this issue. Being honest about history and expectations from the get-go would allow the couple to decide early on that they're not compatible with each other. They'l…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 01:41 PM
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It's not that simple, i.e. it's not a dichotomy of one or the other. What those men actually want is for women to view them as high-value enough to have their pick between the two lifestyles. People often characterize relationships as something men "settle" for, but I think the harsh truth is that finding a genuinely stable and loving relationship with a quality woman isn't that much easier than getting a lot of causal sex. The same small subset of men seem to be preferable for both in the eyes …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 04:44 PM
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I think he's talking about gay dudes wanting to have intercourse with your ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/20 08:23 AM
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Travel to a random rural area in the Midwest and you'll find a decent amount of girls who are "traditional" in the sense you're describing. The problem is that they're only interested in guys from similar backgrounds. They're not going to get all hot and bothered over some neck-bearded atheist redditor who spends 12 hours a day playing video games. And that relationship would be a sham anyway. It would be glaringly obvious that the guy is only interested in that type of girl because she is sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/20 02:37 AM
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To clarify, that didn't happen to me. Just saying though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 05:25 AM
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Some of them end in weddings with six-figure price tags and then divorce like a year later.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 01:18 AM
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Bruh. The point is that "Dutch" is literally the demonym for people from the Netherlands.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 07:38 AM
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So why aren't the male adulterers flocking to it at the same rate?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 11:39 AM
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And when his username is "superior_potassium_exports_123".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 02:46 AM
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Their standards are through the roof.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 12:15 PM
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As you point out, the "thousand cock stare" phrasing is supposed to be a humorous reference to the "thousand yard stare". But I think the idea itself isn't really about a specific stare or a look in the girl's eyes. "Thousand cock stare" is just an umbrella term for any number of other so-called "slut tells". And you could start a separate debate about whether those really exist. If I had to guess, I would say the reason why the thousand cock stare is so hard to define, and why so many guys say …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 01:46 AM
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I'm not the guy you replied to, but I should point out that it's different for every guy. For some of us, wearing a condom makes us last too long. Like, to the point where the sex starts to feeling like a boring chore and the girl is like "Please just cum already", or body parts start to get sore and we have to stop. I would say that I last the "right" amount of time when I'm not using a condom.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 04:58 AM
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You can have condom-less sex with FWBs as well as long as you're both mature about it and verify that you're both clean and other birth control measures are being taken. A lot of guys might say they don't trust their FWB to be responsible about birth control or whatever, but to me it makes no sense that they would say that and then suddenly trust a girl to take the pill just because the two are "in a relationship". An untrustworthy girl is gonna be untrustworthy no matter the status of your rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 10:44 PM
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I think these ideas make men more uncomfortable because the idea of viewing women in the purely "detached and scientific" light sort of causes us to entertain the notion of getting cut out of the gene pool. That stirs up a little existential crisis that we would rather not own up to, so we just hide behind our cognitive dissonance. Women don't have to confront quite the same dilemma because viewing all the negative qualities of men in a scientific light, and fully embracing the truth and predict…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 08:45 AM
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Women are already approaching the men they find good-looking enough to approach. Those men are pretty much limited to Chads. They are decidedly above average. If you don't have Chad-level looks, then the onus is on you to find some other way to prove your value, such as by demonstrating the social acumen to pull off a smooth approach. So, a woman taking the initiative to approach an average-looking man would completely defeat the purpose. She'll only approach Chad because he doesn't need to prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 10:59 PM
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Doing "wacky stupid shit" is a way of getting female attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 03:52 AM
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I really don't think men are doing this to prove their value. They're just having fun. No one is questioning the fact that – subjectively – men are engaging in these activities because they find it "fun". The question is why a man's lizard brain tells him that those dangerous activities are "fun" while women's brains don't seem to be programmed that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 03:51 AM
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If there's anything that we men are bound to exaggerate, it's the attractiveness of the women we've been with. When a guy says he's banged 50+ women, he may not be lying. But if he says they were mostly 9's, then that's the number you should be dividing by 3. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 03:39 AM
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These two statements from the main post: [Men are] not expected to be 100% the provider anymore. Both genders can sample the goods so to speak before marriage which creates better marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 12:06 AM
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I posted this more than a month ago, during the purge week. So yeah, it wasn't meant to be a completely serious accusation. I think it's a little of column A and a little of column B. Collectively, women are not as hive-minded as this post would imply. But I do think there's a fair amount of cognitive dissonance going on among a portion of them who have an inflated idea of "average". They say they would be fine with an "average" guy when their standards are really well above that. And I also bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 04:32 AM
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Studying and/or debating something in more detail than the average person does not make you an "autist".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 10:50 PM
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Why is it autistic? This entire subreddit is dedicated to the discussion of gender dynamics and dating in particular. It shouldn't be a surprise that the term "value" is not being used in another sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 02:18 AM
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I see. That's fair, but I think the conversation leading up to this point has given many of us the impression that you were concentrating solely on "artsy" hobbies. And whether or not a certain passion increases a guy's relative attractiveness within his social circle is also pretty dependent on the specific activity. If the hobby is sports-related... well, good luck. You're going to be competing with some legit Chads and standing out will not be easy. However, I do agree with your core message …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 01:01 AM
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They kinda have a point. "Just be yourself" actually means "Don't pretend to be something you're not". Because pretending to be something you're not, and trying to fit into some imaginary role in your head that you don't fit into naturally, is just about the worst approach you can take. It's completely transparent and cringe-worthy. If some guy who has no interest in slam poetry were to attempt it as a way to get chicks, it would be completely obvious that he's in it for that reason and he will …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 12:34 AM
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The problem is that those two things don't really happen at the same age. Male pattern baldness often begins in the guy's mid-20s. Erectile dysfunction is pretty variable too, but generally starts later on. If a guy doesn't even reach 30 without having boner problems, he's probably got a medical condition as opposed to just run-of-the-mill ED from "getting old".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 01:52 AM
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There's nothing a woman hit by the ugly stick can do. There's a guy's version of "getting hit by the ugly stick" as well. It's called being short.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 11:04 PM
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The amount of sex he has does not determine his value, but his value determines the amount of sex he can have. On this subreddit, "value" is basically a synonym for "attractiveness". It doesn't refer to moral goodness or really even personality – except where personality affects attractiveness, e.g. a hot guy with a masculine/competitive personality is going to fare better with women than a hot guy with a passive personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 12:55 AM
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In theory, it would make more sense for sluts to be worse looking than non-sluts. A good looking woman can get a guy to commit to her because he'll want to "lock that down". Worse looking women can't compete with looks so they have to compensate by being "easier" and by doing more adventurous sex acts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 08:33 PM
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But "he would fuck if he had the chance" doesn't necessarily reflect a high enough interest level to actually pursue such a girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 08:22 PM
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Yeah, lol, 4-7.5 is a pretty wide range.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 08:15 PM
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Most women make exceptions to their 'pickiness' when it comes to men they deem high value. That's literally what pickiness is though. Only being available to men of higher value. It's not an exception to anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 07:06 AM
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And people carrying COVID.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 03:09 PM
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Are most of the women here really active on fds? Probably not. The problem here is that OP is the one who added those percentage symbols. The site does not include them because they're not percentages. They're factors showing the likelihood compared to the average redditor that a member of a given community will visit the other community. So it makes sense that the super highly rated subs are all related to incel/dating issues, even if most of us here aren't actually subscribed to those subreddi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:51 AM
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You list those numbers as though they are percentages, but they're not. The site does not indicate that they are percentages. The number is the likelihood of posting on that subreddit compared to the "average" redditor. From the site that you linked to: Type a subreddit name to list its overlaps with other subreddits. The scores listed are "probability multipliers", so a score of 2 means that users of the inputted subreddit are twice as likely to post and comment on that score=2 subreddit. A sco…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:41 AM
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if men are only interested in sex and primarily pursue relationships with women to have sex why would it then make sense for men to slut shame women for doing the exact thing that we want them to do? Well, that's kind of the issue. Men want women to have sex with them while simultaneously (seemingly) being against the idea of women wanting to have lots of sex. The (perceived) problem with slut shaming, whether you actually consider it a problem or not, isn't as simple as men who say "I don't lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 05:34 AM
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The fact that status is a dimension of them selecting men is what I'm calling into question. Yes, and I'm pointing out that it seems like you have no reason to call it into question any more than if you were going the other way with it and saying that it's only women who care about status. The restriction of this idea to one sex or the other seems very arbitrary to me. Reading your post, I see a lot of claims but zero actual evidence for those claims. Sentences that were probably supposed to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 10:29 PM
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Status for example is one that I think of. I don't think most men have a drive to be cool outside of it getting them women, but for some reason women seem to desire coolness inherently. Women create the meaning of what it is to be cool through their own desires. They have this idea of the perfect personality. I don't think men have this. Couldn't you turn this logic around and state something similarly reductive about women? "Women only care about status insofar as it allows them to select the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 09:29 PM
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So doesn't that even out the score? The man "settles" for the fact that he isn't banging a new girl every week, in the same way that the woman "settles" for the fact that she isn't banging a guy in the top 5-10 percent in looks. Everybody wins. Or maybe everybody loses. One way or another, everybody settles.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 08:27 AM
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Saying “If you want commitment, go for less desirable guys” is like saying “If you want commitment, go for guys who can’t do any better.” Well... yes. So what? What's wrong with telling someone that? I mean, telling a single woman to go for "guys who can't do any better" sounds pretty fair to me, because apparently she can't do any better than those guys either. I do not see any thing obviously wrong with reminding people to temper their expectations and to assume they'll end up with those equal…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 08:22 AM
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Regardless of what he "means" by it... I think Elon Musk has lost Tweet credibility. Who gives a shit. There won't be any consequences because no one cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 04:08 AM
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Sure. I'm just saying I'm not surprised that the terms "incel" and "femcel" and "whatever-cel" were popping up all over the place during the purge because the point is for people to get it out of their systems.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 08:29 AM
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The random racism was pretty weird. I understand the surge in incel/femcel content though, since anything-cel stuff is normally against the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 08:23 AM
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Current state of the subreddit: Redditor visits a debate sub. Redditor finds opinions that contradict their own. That redditor's reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 05:49 AM
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Salma Hayek
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 11:09 AM
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it's just a bunch of reddit bros complaining that women suck and feminism has ruined everything. Well of course, because the current dominant narrative in Western society says the opposite. That narrative is "the blue pill". And the blue pill represents views that are socially acceptable to express outside of these forums. As a result, the people who are driven to the Internet to express their views are, by an overwhelming majority, those who hold the dissenting ("red pill") viewpoint. This is b…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 12:14 AM
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More like they should be locked up in cells. Eh? Get it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 09:28 AM
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Truth. All those guys who have to settle for mortal beings are the real incels. They could never get an immortal fictional waifu like mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 07:43 AM
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Exactly. /r/purplepillcirclejerk exists for a reason. Anyone who is in favor of "no rules, all the time" should just go there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 03:56 AM
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I've never noticed unattractive women acting revolted by men in the way you're talking about. I have, however, noticed attractive women doing it. Hot women have to navigate the world under the assumption that all men want to fuck them because... well, pretty much all men want to fuck them. And I think the disdainful cold-shoulder attitude that hot women show to average/ugly men is a calculated move, because they know that if they act nicely, the men are going to misread that as sexual interest. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 06:18 AM
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I get that this is supposed to be a joke post, but the last time we had one of those picture threads, where everyone posts a selfie from an anonymous account, I was honestly very surprised by two things: (1) How good looking I thought most of the male posters were. (2) How ugly everyone else thought they were. It was baffling. Meh... Maybe I'm gay. ¯\(ツ)/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 06:10 AM
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Still mogs me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 06:05 AM
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Nice happy penis feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 06:57 PM
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No one who unironically uses the word "fortnight" actually gets laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 05:41 AM
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It's probably because, for a man in Leonardo DiCaprio's situation, the beta bux trade-off has minimal downside. He's rich as hell, so keeping women around by spending money isn't a nuisance or some giant sacrifice for him. The bottom line: Men are aware of the fact that, as we get older, our attractiveness/worth in the eyes of women shifts from "looks" to "money and stability". Each one of us follows that trajectory in some way or another. So, considering the fact that our lives are doomed to go…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 06:10 AM
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Surely you've seen here that proof, evidence, stats, figures...They mean literally nothing here because they're ignored. The problem I see with this point is that we're debating issues that are extremely difficult to quantify. "Stats" mean nothing to someone who is convinced that the methods used to collect said stats were flawed or that the person who collected them was focused on the wrong aspects of the issue. The choice of which variables to include in one's search for evidence inherently re…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 08:50 PM
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If you can't get a man to swallow the dog pill, try wrapping it up in a slice of ham or a Kraft single.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 08:27 PM
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That's just the nature of debate. People who engage in debate tend to simply become more vehement proponents of the viewpoints they already hold. It's rare to see someone genuinely change their mind in a 180-degree fashion. However, I would say that I've "changed my mind" before by debating on this sub, in that it has occasionally forced my opinions to evolve. Furthermore, it's silly to think that debate is worthless just because you can't often persuade people over to your own side. Despite the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 10:31 AM
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I have been trying not to hate-talk anyone lately, so this is all I have to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 07:43 AM
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If you haven't farted in front of him yet, it means you're not really attracted to him and he should probably just next you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 12:08 AM
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I really doubt that the average red-piller is that jacked.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 07:40 PM
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Wait that's a real book? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 01:12 AM
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It definitely helps, but it's no substitute for true lack of inhibition and confidence. And it's a pretty unhealthy habit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 12:54 AM
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High IQ is correlated with high inhibition. This "social intelligence" that you speak of is mostly just the natural result of low inhibition. Of course people with lower inhibition are more interesting to talk to... because they actually open their mouths and talk. Knowing how to "flatter, flirt and seduce", as you say, is extremely important, but that doesn't mean you have to be intelligent to do it. You just have to practice without holding yourself back. And the people who are likely to do th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 09:21 PM
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I saw that. But I still don't think it contradicts my point, which is that the men going after her were specifically going after a 52-year-old woman. For whatever reason. She calls them "the dating pool" and acts like it's truly a representative sample when it really only represents the men who were going after her age bracket. And many of were bound to be doing this because they couldn't get responses from younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 06:37 PM
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Sex, sadly, is for the young! Get out there and get it in your teens and 20's while you can! One day you will wake up and you will be 50, and it will all be over. Aren't rampant STDs one of the most common problems in senior homes? People continue fucking each other regardless of age. Sex with young people is for the young. The delusion isn't in thinking you'll be having sex when you're 50. It's in thinking you'll be having sex with 20-year-old girls when you're 50.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 02:57 AM
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Okay? I don't see how a single word of this comment contradicts or adds to anything I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 02:03 AM
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If any part of her body intentionally touched his penis, it's another notch.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 01:30 AM
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A great deal of posts can be put in context by remembering that principle. It makes me wonder how these debates would be different if we were all face-to-face talking to each other in person and could see each other's attractiveness levels. For many topics, a debate that once felt very purposeful and multi-faceted would just completely fall apart because it would be obvious that all of these anecdotes we're firing back and forth at each other are just the direct result of our attractiveness leve…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 12:51 AM
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I mean, your experience is your experience, and I'm not trying to discredit it (and I agree that a lot of older men are delusional about their prospects), but don't you think there's some selection/confirmation bias going on here? You say that you were 52 when this happened. This means that the men around your age who were chasing after you were specifically the types who were not able to land 20/30-somethings. They probably tried to contact younger women first and were rejected, so they "settle…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 10:48 PM
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and statistically these are more likely to be second marriages. As well as more likely to be gold-digging scenarios. And is that type of arrangement really going to quell the yearning for Stacy among the RP guys who obsess over her? The only reason why those marriages happen is because of BetaBux. There seems to be this weird disconnect in the minds of these men who think "I'll just land a 22-year-old when I'm 50 with lots of money". Sure, you might get her, but she's not going to fill the hole …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 02:07 PM
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a man in his late 30's, 40's and 50's has the pick of the litter of young women. In his 50s? I really doubt it. Maybe in a guy's 30s, as long as he remains fit and healthy (i.e. stays lean/muscular; doesn't engage in habits that ruin his skin) and as long as he doesn't go bald. I think a guy who's past age 30 and wants to date early-20s women has to be able to pass for younger himself. In other words, he has to still look like he could reasonably be in his mid-20s or so. Hence my reference to cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 12:35 PM
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I get your not tall and such don't realize this I'm about 5'11", so just slightly above average for a guy in my region. But yes, not really tall. The numbers I chose in my last comment were arbitrary to show my point. Tall men and the uber tall men get rejected far more than you think. I don't find this that hard to believe, I guess, but do those tall men get rejected specifically for being tall? Because I would find that far harder to believe. I've seen and heard of tall men getting rejected fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 03:31 AM
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Being too tall is possible, but very very few men are actually in that tier. And even the über-tall men probably don't get rejected by very many women. I would rather be 6'9" and have 25% of women say I'm too tall for them than be 5'5" and have 99% of women say I'm too short for them. Not even remotely comparable experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 06:34 PM
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Same. I've never had an issue with my height. It's definitely more a problem with having a fairly average face, no real status, and some gnarly social anxiety. I see shorter men than me doing better with women all the time and sometimes I think, even though I'm not tall, I would trade like 2-3 inches of height if it meant I could instantly overcome all those other issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 03:01 AM
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I agree with the principle, but I also think this is very dependent on region. Where I live, a disproportionate amount of men are above 5'10". I'm about 5'11" and I can assure you that my height is not boosting my sexual attractiveness with any of the women around me. I would say, in my region, a man's height only starts adding to his attractiveness at a solid 6'1" or so. That's the height where I notice men catching glances from women and actually being treated as though they have an imposing p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:37 AM
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Is it just an unspoken reality that these men are plates themselves? Pretty much. Red pill guys who talk about the cock carousel usually have the attitude that they're not against it as long as they get to be one of the cocks on the carousel. In other words, we don't mind being plates. The idea that a woman you're fucking is also fucking other dudes only matters if you're putting a lot of non-sexual time and effort into her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:13 PM
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STDs exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:08 PM
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Always give head and be amazing at it. It will never do you wrong. Definitely learn to play with their balls. ^ This girl fucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 01:58 PM
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I could easily go three rounds a day and it's rare that men can keep up. The ones who can keep up can only do that for the first couple weeks, maybe the first month or so. Doesn't matter how hot you are. That's probably just because monogamous situations don't satisfy the desire for variety. Most (young or relatively young) guys could go for three rounds per day if it was with a different woman each time. Coolidge Effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 01:55 PM
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Bad romantic advice from women is just a shit test.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 08:24 PM
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No one notices those features consciously. But there have supposedly been studies looking at the relationship between certain metrics (like wrist and ankle size) and the rest of the musculo-skeletal structure. Namely the connection between those metrics and the limits to the amount of muscle a person can add to their frame naturally. Skinny wrists indicate lower potential. A guy with really skinny wrists is, in all likelihood, never going to look "huge" (i.e. lumberjack arms, wide frame, barrel …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 05:29 PM
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Because marrying an older man means that man is the new daddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 11:15 PM
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What does any of this have to do with the reason why men don't want their daughters settling down with older men specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 11:13 PM
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Sure, maybe within a certain height range, like 5'8" to 5'11" or so. Fat guys in that height range at least have a chance of being attractive when shredded because they know they'll look well-proportioned. Guys who are shorter than that might just forego the lifting because they know it wouldn't increase their chances by an appreciable amount. It sounds cruel to say, but most women don't want a 5'5" man even if he's clearly ripped. And short men are acutely aware of this. Unless his fat is cover…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 04:06 PM
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This is the perfect response IMHO. You should post it as a top-level comment in this thread so that OP is guaranteed to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 06:30 PM
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No, I don't expect any woman to marry a guy as soon as she graduates from high school. But she's fucking somebody during her 18-24 window and I want to be one of those guys. The Betas who are upset about this are not necessarily the ones who didn't get their woman during her best years, but who never got any woman during her best years.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 06:28 PM
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Not when you're trying to bulk up. In that case, eating feels like a chore.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 03:48 PM
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It's a fun way to feel morally superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 05:35 AM
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Why does it matter who gets naked first? What an odd thing to take a stance on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 04:15 AM
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I think there are two major factors behind why men can get dressed/undressed more quickly: (1) Everyday men's clothing involves less complicated fastening mechanisms, enabling easy on and off in comparison to women's clothing. (2) I can't speak for all men here, but I got used to changing really quickly in the locker room in high school in order to minimize the time window in which other guys could potentially see my penis. This might not be an entirely male-centric factor, but where judgments o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 04:14 AM
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Oh. Never mind then.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 09:50 PM
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He was specifically talking about the guys who seek supranational love because they're chumps/losers in their own country and believe they can snag a "quality" woman from a developing country. Was your friend a dateless loser before he started dating the Colombian woman? Did he head to Colombia looking for a woman because he couldn't find one in America?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:49 PM
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Is that not EXACTLY the same thing women do with men, just with different criteria? Women are great at scoping out which qualities they want in a male fuck-buddy and which ones they want in a nice, submissive boyfriend. And those women don't (and shouldn't!) care about how offended men are by those preferences. A woman who has slept around a lot meets my criteria for a hookup but not for a relationship. In the same way that an average-looking guy with a nice family and a lot of money might meet …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 04:31 PM
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Louis CK's me too case also showed us that his sex life wasn't all that great despite being a world famous comedian. All the "jerking off in front of women" stuff happened long before he was world-famous. The most "famous" thing he had done at the time was directing Pootie Tang. And some of the masturbation incidents happened before he had even done that, if I recall correctly. But yes, I've noticed the same thing – The only high-status / famous guys who are truly swimming in pussy appear to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 02:37 PM
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No, I don't believe in banning alcohol. People should have the right to destroy their livers. I don't believe in banning porn either. I wasn't trying to convey any such belief in my comment. I was merely saying that I think people fail to grasp the consequences and the gravity of the addiction. OP seemed to be flippantly saying "Let's just tell all the undesirables to watch porn. Problem solved!". But I feel that consistent porn usage may lead to a more severe lack of emotional health among a no…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:17 PM
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As a man who has struggled with porn addiction in the past, I disagree with the idea that watching porn frequently has a pacifying effect. During the peak of my porn usage, I was irritable all the time and craving real sex like nobody's business while feeling lonely and desperate for women's attention pretty much 24/7. It's like drinking salt water. You become fixated and obsessed with the notion of intimacy, and to a very unhealthy degree. Having said that, I fully acknowledge that there are pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 12:24 PM
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While women may no longer be reliant on men in strict financial terms, I feel that "BetaBux" is about more than money. The BetaBux is the guy who tries to keep the woman interested by submitting to her demands, and money is just one aspect. A guy could be a billionaire but he's still not a BetaBux if he's not willing to spend that money on a woman and give in to her laundry list of "provider" values. Compare that to a guy who is in debt but still spends money to keep his girl interested, acts li…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 07:20 AM
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I'm not sure whether I still qualify as a "young" male (I'm 28), but yeah, I can definitely see how the optimal route for overall satisfaction would be to get a girlfriend who is your own looks-match as opposed to being a Hollywood-level stunner. I've never dated a "hot" girl, but just from observing their behavior and listening to other men talk about them, I am almost certain that dating any woman like that is bound to create more stress than it's worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 01:28 AM
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I’ve been told I should be a male model and I’ve enjoyed myself with some plumpers. They’re all I’ve been craving lately, actually. Don't you think your viewpoint is being skewed by the fact that you're attracted to them to an extent that probably isn't normal? Also, I'm not sure I agree that the male partners of fat women are always in better shape than they are. I feel as though I see more couples who are "fitness matched" than those who aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 01:17 AM
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I did not realize that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 01:14 AM
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Puerto Rican -- so both Wait what?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 01:00 AM
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I was going to say something similar. It seems that if this issue can be boiled down to any one metric, it's attractiveness, not gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 01:39 AM
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So... I thought we were talking about guys who missed their window to ever date anyone in said person's prime. It's easy to be okay with your current partner's aging physique if you at least got to be sexually active when you were younger, with other young hot people, and you have memories of being at your peak dating other people at theirs. It's less fun when you're someone who has only ever had non-peak partners interested in them as dating options. Or maybe this is just something that guys ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 01:26 AM
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The next 45-year-old man you date probably had a better physique at 23. But I'm also willing to bet that, when you were 23, you got the chance to date 23-year-old men who had good physiques.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 10:33 PM
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To each his own, I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 11:10 PM
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Yeah, but isn't that kind of supposed to be the point? Becoming "red pilled", as they say, entails a phase where you have to process that feeling and come to terms with it. But then, once you've accepted it, you are forced to take honest inventory of the options you have for improving yourself and maximizing your ability to compete with other men. Not to mention that awareness of the true state of human nature will serve you better going forward than unawareness, no matter how blissful the unawa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 09:38 PM
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The statement "Women with lots of male friends have usually slept around" does not imply "Women with lots of female friends haven't slept around."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 01:31 PM
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Well yeah, that's part of the reason why I said there's no true equivalent for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 11:19 PM
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The only answer in this thread that I agree with. Lol. EDIT: Actually, maybe it's a toss-up between this answer and "being over 30". However, neither seems to be quite equal to the state of literal dating hell that short men are trapped in. If a woman has kids, she'll have fewer potential suitors, but having kids is almost always a choice, whereas being short is not. And then there are the women over 30, and being over 30 isn't a choice either, but at least those women got to experience being yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 05:31 PM
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There would not be fewer desperate men. In this hypothetical scenario, the men who get "asked out" by women would be pretty much exclusively the men in the tier who already get approached by women. If women had to take the initiative more often, they wouldn't start approaching average men out of nowhere. They would just approach super-hot men more frequently. And then we would still have to deal with the frustrated average Joes who still wouldn't be getting any attention from women. In fact, I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 07:22 AM
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I mean, he's famous. The normal-person rules don't apply to famous people. He definitely would not even be close to a Chad if he didn't have that status, but isn't a Chad really just a guy who can get laid easily? And I'm betting Gerard Way can get it easily based on his fame alone. It's not a meaningless term if there are literally billions of men who don't make the cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 03:41 AM
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I guess. But I feel like you're underestimating some guys' sheer ineptitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 05:30 AM
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So "game" is still kinda relevant in the sense that even if a guy meets the minimum threshold for attractiveness, he still has to prove that he isn't socially inept.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 05:07 AM
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What can a person possibly do to "solve" any of these problems except in their own personal dating life? Not to mention the fact that not everyone agrees that there's even a problem to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 01:09 AM
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It's not a guarantee. But a guy has to have some sort of success rate in order to find it fun. And I was agreeing with the original commentor that most guys with that much success would probably never visit this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 09:17 AM
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I would say there are a ton of RPers who don't enjoy the hunt and just see it as an obstacle between themselves and pussy. The reason why most of them turned to the red pill in the first place is because they were never naturally inclined toward "the hunt" or any good at it at all. And they were probably even somewhat annoyed/angry when they realized that becoming good at "the hunt" was the only way to get casual sex because being "nice" wasn't working.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 06:56 AM
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"They should be more selective as long as they're selecting me."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 02:20 AM
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Now I expect all men to start doing this. You'll go to bars and see rooms full of men trying to out-eyeroll each other instead of out-alpha each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 10:30 PM
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