Why don't the AFCs (average frustrated chumps) just go to Asia?

Raileyx · 2022-07-08T13:46:53+00:00

I wonder why people don't move to a country with a completely different culture, where you don't speak the language, giving up everything you have in your country of birth, come on it's easy!

"just move to a different continent" is one of the most stereotypically naive 15-year old opinions you could possibly have, completely ignoring the reality of most peoples lives. It's not that easy.

tshifter · 2022-07-08T13:43:04+00:00

You seem to think it's easy to just go to Asia. How exactly do you suggest someone just migrate to a country they have no ties to and no connections in? You can't just buy a plane ticket and go, these countries have laws.

If you're American these women don't want you, you're a bank account and a green card to them. You can make the offer to marry one, don't doubt you'd get one.

The9thElement · 2022-07-08T13:59:46+00:00

Can’t get a girlfriend? Just learn a completely new language and culture, move to a completely different continent, and leave everything and everyone you know behind for someone/people you don’t even know are real, it’s that simple!

Jokes aside do you think those women aren’t in on it? Asia isn’t free-girlfriend-land.

itm4l2000 · 2022-07-08T13:46:34+00:00

You're an opportunity. It's not like Asian woman don't know exactly what you're trying to do. It's betabuxxing with extra travel.

Th0ma5_F0wl3r_II · 2022-07-08T13:54:13+00:00

Why not?

I can think of several reasons:

Meekness often goes hand-in-hand with low self-esteem - he won't trust who he's with because he'll never quite believe it

Fear of exploitation - the lack of trust means that he's going to worry she'll cheat on him, or she's got a partner in crime who's going to bleed him dry at some point, or she's actually got 10 kids and a grandma she wants to move to the US into his house etc.

Language - an easy-going "chad" type has less of a problem with language issues because he knows part of the relationship is built on physical chemistry. The AFC is going to want a companion and will soon find she doesn't get half his references

He knows it's not the solution - if he just wants to screw, there are hookers a-plenty in his hometown - some of whom will in fact be from one of those Asian countries. He doesn't want that - the very definition of an AFC is that he's more into RomComs than any anxious office worker singleton woman is. Worse, he actually believes in them.

CruelAngelGradThesis · 2022-07-08T14:05:47+00:00

Have you read the divorce horror stories on the living in Asia subreddits? If you think divorce in the West sounds rough try doing that in a country where you are unfamiliar with the language, culture, or how child custody laws work there. I think a lot of men would rather take their chances in a country where they at least understand what the fuck is going on.

Specialist-Action-33 · 2022-07-08T14:16:27+00:00

Been there, done that. Not all as cracked up to be.

Source: AFC currently living in Korea

Hoopy223 · 2022-07-08T13:51:37+00:00

I think a lot of people don’t want to make the “big changes” necessary whether its a whole new wardrobe, workout, moving to a new town, new job, that stuff can be very scary.

rivetcitymayor · 2022-07-08T13:54:50+00:00

Why don’t AFC just date Asian women who are in the US ?

goatismycopilot · 2022-07-08T14:08:24+00:00

If AFC have the money and flexibility then that is an option. Most of those women do not just want a western boyfriend though. They from traditional cultures with fewer resources and they want a western husband and a ticket out which is totally understandable.

So if a man wants a wife then I guess that is an option.

EstablishmentKooky50 · 2022-07-08T14:42:09+00:00

Everybody seems to think that if you are unsuccessful in dating here, you'll be king in Asia.. Chances are, if you can't understand how women move here, you'll be gutted in Asia. It's not that you just show your Dollar or Pound and women will want to f* your brains out and everything will be vanilla. I mean.. Sure, you have a big advantage being a westerner in Asia, but dude, if you do not know how to sweep trough the crowd with the ever so prevalent "rich western knight in the shining armor" dream and find someone who do not hold such stereotypes, you're in for a treat.

Asia is cheap as long as you have income from the west. Once you need to find a job there, you'll face the exact same financial problems you face here. Surely, you have a mile long head start bringing your savings trough, but all it takes is one wrong choice of a chick there and it will all be gone before you count to three. Not to mention that their culture is entirely different in many regards, and you have no idea how this will affect your relationships. Like, dude you still are often required to pay a dowry there if you want to marry your Dove... And it's not even wrong or anything, it's just not something you'd think about within your western mindset.

It is not that it's impossible, or it's worse. It's not, and life can definitely be better there if you are fully aware of what you are doing, but these childish, clueless ideas about the Asian lifestyle as a westerner that circulating around on the internet are actually harmful.. You are playing with fire and you have no idea how much easier it is to get burnt there then it is here.

toasterchild · 2022-07-08T14:44:24+00:00

A few weeks ago i was stuck in the airport next to a guy who was talking to his friend on the phone about his awesome filipino girlfriend who was coming to visit him in a few weeks. They met online and she was AMAZING. Then he called her. He talked about his work and his mom for a long time but then he starts saying "oh yeah i totally understand, we can postpone the trip, i can send you some money to help out, sure. As soon as i get back home i will be able to send you some, i totally understand, wow that is rough. I can't wait for you to meet mom, maybe in december you can visit then"

Never underestimate what an easy mark a man searching for love is.

-passepar2t- · 2022-07-08T13:41:46+00:00

They do. I've seen many AFCs in Asia. Eastern Europe as well. Some even in Africa.

ruboyuri · 2022-07-08T14:47:47+00:00

From the responses so far, the answer is…..they’re scared, avoidant chumps to begin with

wtknight · 2022-07-08T14:20:54+00:00

There are two scenarios when it comes to overseas travel for a partner. One is the “sex tourism” scenario. If one just wants sex with women in exchange for resources, then it’s not necessary to move to another country. One can either just visit, or just find local escorts and not bother traveling at all.

The other scenario is when a guy wants an actual relationship. The issue is, these guys have very little confidence and will always be threatened that some foreign woman is going to branch swing on him or divorce him for his money.

These men really need to work on themselves and their own issues first. Once they succeed at this, they probably won’t even need to go overseas then.

Overseas travel for a long-term partner really is only practical for guys who can already attract women in their own country and who therefore have confidence, but who want to optimize by attracting better looking women with better personalities than what they can attract in their own country. This describes my own situation, and perhaps describes your own situation, OP. However, it does not describe the situation of most unconfident men who will constantly be worrying about whether their foreign partner is actually attracted to him and not just using him, or whether she’ll just branch swing to a better guy.

jlpw · 2022-07-08T13:43:55+00:00

Because that would mean they would have to admit their lack of attention is in some way their own fault, they tend to live on the belief that its every one elses fault they're not getting what they believe they should be getting.

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2022-07-08T14:19:28+00:00

Can’t you just hire a prostitute or pay someone to act like your girlfriend in the US? It’s not like Asian women are going to be dating you/having sex with you for anything other than financial opportunity anyways. It is just more expensive to go all the way to Asia.

EminemLovesGrapes · 2022-07-08T14:22:13+00:00

They do! It just isn't something you can do willy nilly. And you know, not everyone is looking to be treated like a combination of money bag / white wash potential.

EnteFetz · 2022-07-08T14:25:12+00:00

I have moved to a different country several times in my life, but always in the pursuit of my studies and jobs, which brought me to places which were the total opposite of where I would have to go to get laid. I know how easy/difficult it is to just pack my stuff and move to a different country, because I've done it several times, but chasing pussy instead of money and living standard sounds quite difficult. With my education I might not get a proper job in the counties with easy pussy.

Also think about the men in those countries. They won't get any pussy either. Your proposed solution does not solve the problem.

WickedBiscuit · 2022-07-08T14:34:20+00:00

“Would it be on the news?”🤣

MissLute · 2022-07-08T14:34:51+00:00

...and cause more problems with the AFCs in that part of the world?

Wooden_Worker_3107 · 2022-07-08T14:37:16+00:00

But then when I change my location to literally anywhere in Asia, suddenly I'm the definition of a Chad.

lol. did change my location on tinder to see if you are right, 5 likes in 10 minutes. dude you are right.

thanks for the free algorithm boost hack haha

melody_of_ · 2022-07-08T14:45:04+00:00

what would happen if an actual Chad went to Asia? Would it be on the news? Would the universe implode into a black hole of pussy?

Bro piss off I was drinking water when I read this 🤣

melody_of_ · 2022-07-08T14:45:49+00:00

What happens when you bring her back to your home culture and she no longer has need of you?

Not-barry-63 · 2022-07-08T14:55:50+00:00

I think their struggles with the lifestyle, government and cultural differences outweighs the positives, to be honest.

Also, a lot of the time western men only have better luck in these countries as the women are in need of your money. You'll not only provide for her, but your new extended family.

chingness · 2022-07-08T15:12:51+00:00

Most of the Asian women that date western men out of need DESPISE those men… I think better to be single than be despised by the one you want to love you

NeighborhoodVeteran · 2022-07-08T14:32:46+00:00

They were probably looking to get out of the country ngl.

WOPR-1983 · 2022-07-08T14:56:22+00:00

Because these people only "want" you for your cash and a green card?

That it's steeped in exploitation and the epitome of transactional relationships?

I mean, if you just want to be seen as an exploitable resource and are okay with that, that's fine. But if you want to be genuinely liked then maybe it's not a good idea.

Do men even want to be liked for who they are?

It seems to me many men would be perfectly happy to have a woman around who likes them for what he can do for her, aka, provide resources, citizenship, etc.

I recommend men do not go this route.

wtknight · 2022-07-08T14:58:50+00:00

what would happen if an actual Chad went to Asia? Would it be on the news? Would the universe implode into a black hole of pussy?

The richer women in these countries would pursue these guys. Richer foreign women don’t bother with AFCs from the west. They can find other rich handsome guys in their own country, instead.

redditb4udidkid · 2022-07-08T15:05:11+00:00

THEY WONT WANT U IN CHINA. THEYRE LOOKING FOR GREEN CARDS SIR

sarkington · 2022-07-08T15:18:28+00:00

Because they’re timid and passive

mydlo96 · 2022-07-08T15:20:21+00:00

It not about sex. They want to be loved. They do not want double standards. Sex is merely an indicator of succesful, meaningful and real relationship. They often have insecurities. And if woman had many partners, some of them will probably be of higher status than that 'incel', since women like to 'party' hard in their 20's, so it leaves risk of disappointment. Situation makes women look back at chads that were in their grasp but slipped away bitter and hard to satisfy in relationship. Redpill already teaches men to become the best version of himself, and to live a good life, without prioritizing women (overly chasing and being desperate is labeled a creep bahaviour). What feminism teaches?

AlejandroVillegas · 2022-07-08T15:45:26+00:00

AFCs should use their infierority to let them grow. Yes, you look like shit, smell bad, shitty job etc. But if you move to a whole different country, because you want instant pleasures, validation etc. That mindset is fucking weak, ultra fucking weak.

Let's say you do move. How will this be any different? If you've never fixed any, bad habits and problems. You'll never build a sustainable relationship, if your mindset is of a child. Sure you may get X, but it'll practically be masturbating because they'll be no bond there. It's meaningless, no connection, no fulfillment other than the X itself.

Once that post nut clarity hits, that you moved a whole ass country because you can't get some pudussy and you smell like dirty taco sweat. Man is in for a wild ride.

386DX-40 · 2022-07-08T16:23:18+00:00

This is a REALLY complicated topic to be fair. You can improve your dating market dynamics by going abroad, but you will be presented with a slew of new challenges that you first have to overcome to claim the prize. The two most important aspects from personal experience are:

Do you speak the local language? Being an outsider and having superficial conversations wears your out real quick. You will find yourself making friends with other expats and local women who go to "language exchange groups" (see 27M+45F in Japan). Be weary of these women, many, but not all of them are there only because local men won't give them the time of the day. So they focus on foreigners.
Can you keep your level of income while being abroad? The lower cost of living argument will only take you so far. An iPhone or nice clothes will still cost you real $$$, no matter where you go. Most people aren't willing to accept a lower standard of living.

2022-07-08T17:06:33+00:00

My ex-husband kinda did this. He met a nice Thai girl, visited her in Thailand, and sent her something to the tune of $5000 over a couple of years before he figured out she was stringing him along.

Title	Why don't the AFCs (average frustrated chumps) just go to Asia?
Author	washington_breadstix
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Date	July 8, 2022 1:33 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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