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Why bother with the chains of monogamy at that point Flirt away Single
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 09:10 PM
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The old ways I always hear older women in successful marriages that live very well say that he has to like you more, you can't go after guys you like. Most women I know in relationships, the guy chased them. They just got tired of saying no to him. Then, they grew to love him. They're very happy, have a great bond etc. The new ways This is why I don't have "orbiters" (ew) or whiteknights, I don't see the value in keeping someone around that I don't like. I don't let guys that like me do shit for…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:54 AM
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I've hoped for a new paradigm where the breadwinner father-stay at home mom is viewed as a partnership of equals who are dividing labor and specializing in accordance with their strengths Me: good at earning, intellectual stuff, terrible at home stuff Unsurprising then that I think a good complement to that would be someone who stays at home and is good at domestic shit. But maybe it's too late for all that The kitchen is a prison or whatever Ok. A lifetime of casual hookups it is. I'm not even …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:47 AM
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It's crazy. I met her once in person and then we kept in touch for years. She was the warmest, sweetest friend in that way that I've ever known. Like almost preternaturally thoughtful. And we met again. And the way she was able to make me feel loved then and after ...like, it was like a drug. Incomparable. But as soon as she received the commitment she herself asked for, she just shut the fuck down Apparently this is common with borderlines, I learned later. It's called love bombing (the really …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:36 AM
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Literally described herself as feral. Incapable of trusting another being. I had no idea what to make of such a self-description at first I soon learned, though, that what it meant is she does as she pleases without regard for any social tie or convention, since what's the difference if no one can be trusted . I persisted anyway. The experience to this day leaves me feel like I was spiritually raped. Now I don't trust anyone either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:22 AM
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Baruch atah Adonai aleyheynu I speak....bar mitzvah Hebrew?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 09:44 PM
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I'm a guy...3 girls to 2 guys is the best Basically the ratio of colleges it turns out
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 09:39 PM
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Told me about severe emotional and relational problems I'm like ah whatever maybe she will be sad sometimes and I'm good at supportiveness After it all played out, still broken a decade later I realize that any person could be that way and simply hide it Would not recommend
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 09:32 PM
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L'chaim
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 09:30 PM
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Lol what do you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 09:29 PM
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Tldr the only feelings that are important is the woman's ego in wanting to squeeze out a three year ish monogamous arrangement because of a 30 second act, to hell with the man's feelings of humiliation at being made to wait for the 30 second act in a society where casual sex is the norm I tell you, I think the sociopathy rate in society isn't 5%. It's 55%.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:48 PM
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Exhibit A: The image of legions of men in their parents’ basements playing video games for hours on end may seem pathetic or sad. But their satisfaction level is high. “Happiness has gone up for this group,” says the University of Chicago’s Erik Hurst, despite the high rate of unemployment. Hurst describes his findings as “staggering”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 12:07 AM
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But...studies
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 12:01 AM
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I just think men are unrealistic who say that they would quit their jobs and play video games and smoke weed and fuck sex bots all day. It's already happening, even with there just being porn as an alternative Most men do not have the dream lifestyle of being a shut-in in their mancave if you take women out of the equation. Exhibit A: The image of legions of men in their parents’ basements playing video games for hours on end may seem pathetic or sad. But their satisfaction level is high. “Happi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 11:22 PM
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Most men do not have the dream lifestyle of being a shut-in in their mancave if you take women out of the equation. It's the truest shit ever spoken other than the Chappelle "men would live in a cardboard box if they could still fuck" bit Exhibit A: The image of legions of men in their parents’ basements playing video games for hours on end may seem pathetic or sad. But their satisfaction level is high. “Happiness has gone up for this group,” says the University of Chicago’s Erik Hurst, despite …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 11:19 PM
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Yeah! There's a real hunger for truth in a time when we are all living lies
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 08:41 PM
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Haha that's what I meant, sometimes you sound like the actual redpill, in expressing the core truths that are causing all this
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 08:29 PM
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Like when you said "women are socialized by the culture to prefer men who mistreat them" We're all being had, brainwashed into decisions that are bad for us, men and women alike
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 08:27 PM
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Sometimes you sound like the actual redpill
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 08:17 PM
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Feminism talks about fighting gender roles, except when it comes to what women want. Women want to escape traditional standards except when it applies to men, and feminism says this is okay. I love how feminism conveniently sweeps this under the rug...nope, nothing to see here, it's just an assumption that women want a higher earning partner, no need to question that. And the nerve...these disgusting hypocrites have the nerve to go on about this publicly....it's fucking shameful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 06:39 AM
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being detached, you ironically can never enjoy the popularity. It is contingent on your not feeling and appreciating it.) If you think about it, that is pretty fundamental to popularity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 10:15 PM
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Top 20% of who? If we're not talking about Tinder, are we talking about 20% of guys she's ever met (including that wild frat party in college and the modeling industry night a friend of a friend invited her to)? Is it the top 20% of the people in the current room? Is it the top 20% of every stiumulus she's ever been exposed to (meaning your sense of humor is being compared to not only the guys she's met but her YouTube playlist of standup comics). I think the 20% idea is true, such as it is, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 06:42 PM
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Such a waste
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 03:56 AM
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I just laugh when people suggest that HW should have become jacked and 7% body-fat, like that would have realistically changed anything for him. You don't think him looking better than he did would have made any difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 01:52 AM
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Fat and ugly face is worse than in shape and ugly face
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 01:35 AM
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If he had been in shape, he would've been less ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 01:29 AM
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Some guys are ok with those stories. It's true. Those are the guys that women with colorful sexual histories should date
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 10:56 PM
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Nope I have a double standard about it, that's part of the deal with dating me. If she doesn’t like that it’s fine, plenty of girls are ok w it The tldr of dating
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 09:18 PM
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I don’t think that lifting and running better game would have saved Harvey. It literally would have, because many more women would have been genuinely attracted to him, allowing him to fill his sex quota without resorting to the aggressive tactics that he did. But realistically, he was probably too busy and too stressed to make fitness that kind of a priority. And so it goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 08:34 PM
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My question should I avoid emotionally unavailable women at all cost or at the very least have hookups with them? Hard to say but reading your post it sounds like the experience messed you up emotionally , which would suggest the best action for you is to avoid them at all costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 07:25 PM
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No one knows game better than borderlines
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 03:25 AM
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Lol I'm assuming the choice would never come down to that. I get flooded with images of the other men even when a girl has a somewhat high n count Marrying a porn star would be like waterboarding
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 03:16 AM
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It's good to know there's a long way to fall before having any morals to worry about!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 02:58 AM
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Nah some of em definitely want a ring lol. But I could see that some of em are just for the sex .
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 09:42 PM
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Now let me ask you some questions: how about a drug dealer turned engineer? A former gang member who became a lawyer? A violent felon with his own business? I bet there is a subset of women that would find that incredibly attractive lol Gang members already do well with women as it is
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 08:53 PM
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but she’s as American as subprime mortgages. preening westernized Lebanese show ponies). LMAO. Change to Armenian and we've got a fine description of the Kardashians
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 08:46 PM
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I would literally rather never have a conversation with another human being for the rest of my life than marry a porn star
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 08:45 PM
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Apparently The People agree There aren't enough fit men to fight or whatever People act in accordance with incentives
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 05:15 PM
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”if feminists say we are equal why do I have to approach” as a “gotcha” moment. Other than the fact that it's absurd in practical sense, the internal logic of the statement is pretty sound
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 04:55 PM
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Can someone explain how some younger guys are so blind to this? They spoon-feed a constant, uncontradicted diet of "men and women are equal!!!11!!! There's no difference in any way!!!111" in mainstream media for years and years and forget to explain that , yeah, some folks are gonna believe it. And of course, each side takes away the parts that are convenient to them Women want all the benefits of the male gender (especially those benefits which accrue to the top men) without the corresponding d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 04:47 PM
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It's true. But there's no other choice than to summon the strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 06:22 AM
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I thought this was a great thread. Good topic choice!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 02:27 AM
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No dating and definitely not having any hook ups. Idn. I think the way to go is do what you want and find people who accept you for who you are. They exist You'd be surprised at how many different kinds of people there are in the world. Good luck
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 12:29 AM
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Whoops my bad
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 12:16 AM
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Lol. Well perhaps hints came out in the process of getting to know each other ? Anyway, I'm sorry it didn't work out. As they say, you either break up or get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 12:15 AM
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N count of 27 There's your answer as to why he was insecure and jealous I would never be able to tolerate that I guess he tried, and discovered he can't either There are other men who are perfectly fine with it. I suggest you'd be far better off dating them. And men who can't tolerate it would be far better off being up front about that fact and dating women who fall within their threshold of acceptable number of past partners Your story doesn't show that your boyfriend's turning to red pill rui…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 11:08 PM
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The only way to deflect that though is to not be ashamed. This is the TLDR of like half the discussions here. Own yourself. Protect yourself. There is no shame in any of that. Other people are shaming because that's how they protect themselves. They can't help it. Has nothing to do with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 11:06 PM
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Yeah. And he hadn't had any experience at all. It's just not likely to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 10:58 PM
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A lot of things take strength The question is whether it is worth the strength And the risk In a world where premarital sex is banned, ok, sure, that's gonna be worth the risk In our wild west? I tried it out. It's not for me. Carry on, though
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 10:57 PM
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Do you really want to become okay with caring? My experience has been that even in perfect conditions the benefits of doing so have a shelf life And the worst case scenario is complete and total annihilation of the self I'm happy to leave the "just take a chance" people to just take a chance while I do what works best for my stability and growth, which is to maintain an ego distance Everything ends Don't Forget
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 10:55 PM
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N count of 27 There's your answer as to why he was insecure and jealous I would never be able to tolerate that I guess he tried, and discovered he can't either There are other men who are perfectly fine with it. I suggest you'd be far better off dating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 10:48 PM
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Helluva thread
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 08:03 PM
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Are you trp? Not sure why are trp men gatekeeping amorality. Sexual morality for me, but not for me. Trp also discourages monogamous relationships Yeah, no, I'll have a piece of that myself. Again, not talking morality. I just can't imagine why what you'd want a piece of someone day in and day out who might be ashamed of you. Lying for casual sex is noncomittal...that doesn't make it more moral, but I would think it makes it easier to live with when there is no investment. I guess you've proven …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 07:41 PM
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expect women to be less promiscuous than them Forget morality I'm talking about shame. Imagine the real you is shameful to your partner Disgusting and repulsive What kind of relationship is that? Why not just be alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 07:29 PM
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Why would you not want to find that out? You'd rather be loved for a false impression of you? I for one make my preference for low count partners known up front, and I just don't see why a girl would continue hiding her past and being ashamed when she could just go be with someone who actually accepts her past.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 07:19 PM
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At the end of the day, a girl with a high n count puts images in my head of other guys she's slept with and makes me feel less special I'm me. I like having lots of sex. I don't like dating women who have. I don't care if it's hypocritical, because I refuse to sacrifice my contentment for consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 06:39 PM
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If a woman won't sleep with you right away next her. Any woman that has a ncount of 3+ isn't suitable to date! Yep, pretty much. I want to be the #3 she gives it up for easily because she's so attracted to me. It makes me happy, and I'm inclined to do things that make me happy. I suppose I'd be unhappy if it didn't happen. I am utterly repulsed by hypocritical behavior that men should and do chase casual sex constantly but shame sluts. A judgmental hypocrite is a much more worthless person to me…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 05:21 PM
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Fair enough. The bottom line to me is that people should do what they want People who want more substance should surely pursue it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 09:00 PM
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Free, safe access to abortions and men having the right to opt out seems like a pretty good horsetrade, especially for poor women, who don't have much prospect for squeezing out money from the turnips that are the baby daddies. What good is it, to anyone, if they have no money and/or are in jail because of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 09:14 PM
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Yep You're right One way or another, women's wholly autonomous, unilateral reproductive choices will be funded on the backs of men enslaved under penalty of prison no longer. Lol yeah go ahead and try to enforce that one...good luck
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 08:46 PM
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You're conflating anonymously complaining online to complaining in real life
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 07:43 PM
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This isn't just oh periods. This is involuntarily subjugating men to 18 years of enslavement on penalty of prison It is immoral If people genuinely care about starving children , the taxpayer footing the bill is what is moral. The current framework arises from the perspective of desiring to punish male sexuality (as your blurb very aptly reflects--we have no problem with women irresponsibly having sex 20 times and getting 20 abortions after all(.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 07:17 PM
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Okay sure, but by that logic anyone not having sex is being made to wait in a sort of great broad strokes kind of way. Technically yeah, but the longer, the worse. For my ego . That's what all this is about anyway. Oscar Wilde etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 05:34 PM
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“Any woman who makes you wait for sex, or by her actions implies she is making you wait for sex; the sex is NEVER worth the wait” So I want to know why the logic around here is so skewed that way. Do they actually see themselves as an animals who wants sex no matter what? It's actually saying the opposite, isn't it? "Wanting sex no matter what" would include tolerating being made to wait for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 05:12 PM
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Women make the men they care about wait to see if they actually care too. As I said, if she's made everyone wait, no problems. Now, if she hasn't: It doesn't matter what the intent is. Ever thought about that? Knowing that others were able to have sex with her easier makes it feel like she cares less, EVEN IF the reality in her mind is the opposite. Because my interests are my interests, and sex is an EXTREMELY important interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 04:08 AM
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Fuck you're right
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 09:55 PM
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But its to a large degree an effort to encourage cluster B Cluster B women aren't the only women who exhibit the TRP behaviors. They just do it more quickly. You're either eating or on the menu. But you gotta pick one The fact that exceptions exist don't negate the overall reality. You wanna gamble that you've found an exception? Go ahead. But it's wise to acknowledge to oneself that that is what one is doing. Gambling. It'll make it easier to digest when the gamble fails.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 12:28 AM
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What guy would ever admit to using a prostitute?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 09:38 PM
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Tired of playing games NO HOOKUPS So cringey
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 07:44 PM
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I think that makes a lot of sense. You can be as good as you want but you can't simultaneously be two people at once. What do you think are the implication just in assessing whether monogamy is a good idea? Do the benefits of monogamy truly outweigh the above? Or do people find themselves unknowingly trapped into this kind scenario because they did not anticipate it happening (or happening to them)?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 08:35 PM
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Lol I think it wasn't clear If someone has a colorful sexual history, I'm not interested in anything more than a one night stand. If someone doesn't have a colorful sexual history, then I'm open to seeing them on a more consistent basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 10:03 PM
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Girls with lots of past partners just make me feel icky. People should do what they want. What I want, and what I do, is limit any interactions beyond a one night stand to women with limited sexual histories. Yeah I'm a hypocrite, or misogynist, or blah blah I could give a fuck less. I'm not going to sacrifice my contentment to meet some standard of consistency. If she thinks my sleeping around while picking women who haven't makes me a hypocrite, well, there's the door. Hasn't posed a problem y…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 09:51 PM
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Meh...everyone's gotta go sometime Sex feels better than hypotheticals :P
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 12:55 AM
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I have no interest in debating with you Then why even bother responding? Your time would probably be better served responding to comments you actually intend to engage with in good faith. People on this sub and in the world say "men are upset that they've lost their privilege" all the time, whether it's with regard to the workplace or "being needed" by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 08:52 PM
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feminism is why men are committing suicide at such rates? Something can be the cause of a phenomenon without blame being properly attributable to it. All that talk of "men are just upset because they're losing their previously held privileges"...well, in many respects, it's true. That doesn't mean feminism has an obligation to not keep feministing, but it's intellectually dishonest to pretend that there's no causal mechanism. Feminism has eroded men's previously specified place in the world as b…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 08:44 PM
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It just so happens men in the West are losing to women right now. You used to have to pledge your whole life and possessions to women in order to have sex because of the taboo against premarital sex etc. Isn't it better for men now because that's no longer the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 07:51 PM
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Not as pitiful as your goddamn illiteracy the OP is about males. if they are asshole misogynists who want everything but wont give nothing in return ( the part of your post where it says males want nothing outside of bedroom) none of those wants will ever come true. On topic: Never say never. There are asshole misogynists who want everything but give nothing in return, who are able to achieve exactly that. Added because I know your rape addled brain will be thinking "males are women-exploiting p…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 05:35 PM
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Feminism: equality when convenient
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 05:05 AM
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I think a lot of the "bad" (and the point is not so much that it's bad but rather that it's a reality that needs to be kept in mind) comes from the Alpha Fucks Beta Bucks thing. Girl in her younger years goes out and has short term flings with attractive men who aren't necessarily stable (it's been studied that women have higher attractiveness standards for casual sex) Then, as girl's looks decline, she cashes in on a stable high earner she's probably not as sexually attracted to as the previous…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 11:34 PM
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So what if they do end in divorce? If you spent 10 years of your life happy, then that's something to look at positively. You don't need a government anctioned piece of paper that imposes onerous legal obligations on you and presumes precisely as it's starting point a lifetime commitment in order to spend 10 years together
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 03:15 PM
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Report away.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 03:38 PM
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Speaking of diagnoses, ever considered getting that autism checked out for your pervasive, nonstop, unmitigated black and white thinking on literally every single issue? But never mention ex getting diagnosed by a professional which is required to be BPD. The fuck is going to happen...she's going to hear them? Just say she was nuts! That’s a better and more accurate descriptor. Not really. Was she nuts like you where every single criticism is interpreted as a (probably accurate) referendum on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 03:34 PM
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I find it sad that you've decided to be with people that you can't at least talk at with. False. My point is that over time, the most likely outcome is mutual boredom. That it does not apply to your marriage is truly a blessing. Cherish it. But the odds say that cases like yours are rare. Half of marriages end in divorce, and some indeterminate additional percentage are composed of virtually imprisoned roommates chained together out of inertia No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 08:41 AM
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Join student groups. I was in a frat but groups can even be better in some ways because there's a specific interest that draws everyone to it, meaning you're more likely to be around people who have things in common , meaning it'll be easier going. And give it time, and put yourself out there a bunch of different places/experiment. Something will click.
/r/TheRedPill03/02/19 06:17 AM
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A girl who has no interest in someone feigns interest solely for an ego boost, and that's not socipathic?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 01:52 AM
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you literally answered your own q in the title why is soemthing MORE than "As an ego boost" required as an explanation? Toying with someone's emotions for an ego boost seems pretty sociopathic. It'd all be a lot easier if people stopped pretending to be good and we all in the world could just openly admit that we are selfish self-aggrandizers. All this nonsense about empathy and being moral etc. is just so tiresome
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 01:46 AM
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Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 07:01 AM
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Maybe I'm not understanding correctly...what relevance does "men will take whatever they can get" have to "men are misogynistic for having preferences"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 12:36 AM
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Why doesn't it count if sex isn't involved? Only sex matters If anything, this is worse than a guy trying to have sex without emotional manipulation. At least that is genuine. So you should be RPs biggest proponent. "Stop pretending to care about women who won't fuck you". Genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 10:27 PM
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It's not just limited to alimony though, the divorce tapings
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 09:49 PM
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Apparently they (breadwinning women) generally hate it so much they are driving alimony reform! https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/money/4116161/alimony-reform-spousal-support It's amazing how on a daily basis there is no shortage of hypocritical, self-serving garbage to swallow from women's rights folks
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 08:52 PM
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Haha like milk, I like it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 08:20 PM
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Haha I mean, this isn't a scientific survey or anything (wasn't able to find one, but it'd be great to see what such a survey would come up with), but: https://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2015/09/10-men-react-to-virgin/
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 07:46 PM
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People have been delaying marriage overall-- I suppose it could be someone who is picky (ie sees it as truly a lifelong commitment), wants to focus on building career/education in the early stage, or both.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 07:34 PM
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Perhaps wanting to be sexually adventurous but just with the man they marry?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 07:25 PM
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And of course can't forget sexual trauma (esp. childhood) as a potential factor. Yeah, I guess it's just not realistic that a woman would make it that far in our society as a virgin without some kind of stark tradeoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 07:18 PM
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They don't picture a 30 year old shrew who thinks blow jobs are icky. A pudgy 30 year old is a pudgy 30 year old whether she's taken 100 dicks or 0. Well sure, apex fallacy (kinda?), but that doesn't mean all 30 year old virgins are ugly and/or frigid. It's less than 5% of men and women who are virgins even at 25-29, so I'd imagine it's a pretty varied composition of women who make up that contingent given how strong of outliers they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 07:12 PM
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Many men would be adverse to a female virgin, as having a women with sexual experience makes for a better sex life. Not only that, but it makes no sense to avoid something as enjoyable as sex just to impress a very small subset of men. Not that this is a scientific survey, but https://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2015/09/10-men-react-to-virgin/ I'd be interested to see if a scientific survey also would show that a lot of men prefer virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 06:40 PM
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I got banned for holding strong to my view that a 25ish virgin was valued... Whilst I don't think you should have got banned, I think that's a ridiculous and archaic sentiment. Is it? The question isn't whether it would be preferable that men have a different method of valuation, but rather if, based on the method of valuation men do in fact have, a 25 year old woman who is a virgin would be valued more highly than a 25 year old woman who isn't one. I would argue that for many men, a virgin woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 06:26 PM
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Have you been able to satisfy your own standards of fidelity when in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 06:19 PM
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Good talk
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 06:08 PM
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Interesting that in the thread you mentioned that cheating is cheating even if there's an agreement otherwise. The dancing thing is something that a girl I dated actually did, and I was so pissed, even though it hadn't been explicitly been discussed as cheating. Then few months later she's like my watching porn makes her uncomfortable. All this stuff is so painful and yet so absurd. My solution: I never commit. I never play the game in the first place. I get my dick wet and I keep my sanity and …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 06:06 PM
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For comparison's sake, is grind dancing with someone other than your SO (and, accordingly, rubbing naughty parts together, in real life, with a real person) more cheaty or less cheaty?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 05:55 PM
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Like how hookers always have rules against kissing
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 12:19 AM
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Wait isn't this about the married woman sleeping with another guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 12:11 AM
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it's not a pissing contest. They're both bad I agree. Which is why I didn't agree with Not being able to say no, says more about the guy than the woman seducing him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 12:02 AM
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They are both uncoerced actors with agency. One is betraying a marriage, the other a friendship. It's at worst equivalent, and more likely says more about the woman, since we don't promise a lifetime of fidelity to our friends before our friends and family and God etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 11:28 PM
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What might the alternatives be? Probably missing something
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 11:25 PM
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Why would it say more about the guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 11:16 PM
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I believe what you've stated is called intersectional feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 08:36 PM
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abandon someone to the streets The marital assets are split up? I can see an argument for alimony, but that argument is not that they're being left with nothing otherwise. Alimony is on top of whatever they're getting in the divorce. As a result, taking the three possibilities (wife earns as much as him, wife earns less than him, or wife is a stay at home mom) a guy who marries a lower earner is really in the worst scenario, since the assets are being split equally despite their unequal contribu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 05:30 PM
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No of course, that is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 04:32 PM
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I don't blame men for seeing that irrefutable hierarchy of requirements (men: be valuable, women: maybe don't be obese, but sometimes even that's negotiable) as unfair in a society that keeps blabbering on about equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 04:23 PM
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Quite frankly if you're not a modern renaissance man, you dont deserve a girl. Can't tell if sarcasm
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 04:01 PM
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outliers in both sexes. I think that's precisely why using the average in a case like this isn't especially meaningful. In any situation where the average is dragged in a specific direction solely by outliers, the median is a much better explanatory measure of the tendency of the measured group.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 06:32 AM
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People are generally unempathetic but women falsely get the societal credit for being empathetic. accordingly, saying that women are unempathetic is a revolutionary statement--it's revolutionary for women too, since of course the false image of noneixstent empathy comes with the burdens of benevolent expectations. All that "emotional labor" that women bitch about nonstop, which they a. would not bitch about if they were actually empathetic and b. use as a crutch to pretend to be empathetic and g…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 06:08 AM
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How did it end up between you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 04:19 AM
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Extremely warped sexuality (flooded with desire but confused and ashamed about the feelings it evokes). Abandonment and neglect issues. Inability to trust. Extreme sensitivity to even the perception of so much as minor criticism, a sort of necessarily protective narcissism. I get it. All of it makes sense now. But when I didn't know, being on the other side of it was a sort of torture. When someone you love is acting so unpredictably, you start losing your sense of reality (or at least I did). T…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 12:59 AM
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Toilet Security Administration
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 12:27 AM
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Don't compromise your values, boundaries, or needs just to satisfy someone else. If for no other reason than that it becomes difficult to sustain in the long run, and the effort of trying to do so will make you increasingly miserable. The more of an act you have to put on, the less compatible you are, and that will come out eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 03:43 AM
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This would be an interesting concept for a show, people fighting it out over what demographic of the population is truly the worst off using a top trumps format. Coming this fall, The Oppression Olympics. Tuesdays at 9 PM on ABC.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 09:46 PM
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It sounds like you're trying to figure out what the "catch" is. There very well may be a catch, but there might not be. Maybe she's very difficult to be in a relationship with and she knows it. Maybe there's no catch at all and she finds you attractive because you remind her of someone important to her and make her feel safe. Generally no way to know early on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 04:51 PM
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So what you’re saying is you feel entitled to a woman’s body because she did things in her past so she has to do them with you. What's there to be entitled? If she did things in the past she won't do with me, she gets dumped. She's not entitled to a relationship either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 04:41 PM
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Yep. BPD. Exactly (though not diagnosed, she suspected herself as bipolar and I didn't know what borderline is till years after). I believe they're often co-occurring, BPD and childhood sexual abuse, as it was here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 10:20 PM
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Extremely warped sexuality (flooded with desire but confused and ashamed about the feelings it evokes). Abandonment and neglect issues. Inability to trust. Extreme sensitivity to even the perception of so much as minor criticism, a sort of necessarily protective narcissism. I get it. All of it makes sense now. But when I didn't know, being on the other side of it was a sort of torture. When someone you love is acting so unpredictably, you start losing your sense of reality (or at least I did). T…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 10:13 PM
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+1 It's one of those things You don't know to avoid till you've experienced how it affects them
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 07:04 PM
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I'm sure it's possible to be a non-cringey male feminist, but I've yet to meet one
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 07:01 PM
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Well sure, but men's preferences are also evolutionarily sound. So it's a wash.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 04:46 PM
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Women literally disqualify hundreds and thousands of men because their legs aren't long enough. If a guy says he only dates girls with big tits, he's labelled shallow. It's a bit frustrating for me because I always hear how men are so shallow, women are not visual, confidence and personality is more important to women. That's all BS. I don't think women are more shallow. I think women's shallowness is more socially acceptable ("it's just a preference"), whereas men's shallowness is identified mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 04:10 AM
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Isn't k strategy about having few offspring and investing a lot while r strategy is having a lot of offspring and investing little? Or are you analogizing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 02:37 AM
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That feeling when you realize 2050 is only 30 years from now RemindMe! 1/25/2048
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 06:38 PM
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And somehow people see fit to blame men for their low sperm count Like this article linked to in the low testosterone article The Sorry Lives and Confusing Times of Today’s Young Men They don't have jobs. They're dropping out of college. They play video games all day and watch porn all night. Even their sperm counts are low. Why won't guys grow up? https://www.phillymag.com/articles/2012/02/20/the-sorry-lives-and-confusing-times-of-today-s-young-men/#yLIhGBtPtpjVoR4z.99
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 05:54 PM
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([men's average levels of testosterone have dropped by over 50% over the past two generations, and testosterone makes a huge difference in sex drive] That is fucking disturbing. I wonder why this hasn't become a widespread concern among public health folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 05:36 PM
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The safer a situation is, the more individualist a man can be, whereas that impact is far less operative for women because they still need protection from some men. The military is a situation of danger or anticipated danger and thus lends itself to collectivism.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 05:42 AM
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Man this is so true
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 05:05 AM
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"hot" but not high quality. I confuse
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 09:33 PM
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tell her over and over that she isn’t attractive enough for a good man. She thought asking him for commitment and love would scare him off. Which is it...she was told, or she told herself?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 09:31 PM
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I know what you mean....same height, basically max 215 before things start getting ugly women treatment wise haha. How high did you end up getting before reining it in?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 10:14 AM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 05:45 AM
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Last guys finish nice
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 05:02 AM
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It would be nice and/or interesting to be able to turn it on or off at will I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 03:37 AM
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I think many women in these situations are dating men who are at the high end of the kind of men they are able to attract with their looks, and so these men act accordingly (without regard for the woman who they perceive as lower value). As time goes on, these women are increasingly less able to attract men on this fringe of their ability to attract, since their looks are fading , and eventually they reach a point where the kinds of men they are able to attract, even at the highest end of who is…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 10:47 PM
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I'm not calling you out specifically, but any man who decides that they've helped their mom enough based on the sociopolitical climate is a fuckin' loser. Helping out your own loved ones is different from the political feminist movement. False equivalence. Which women? Just all of 'em? I mean specifically the political actions and positions of the feminist movement, which is the comment I was responding to, which is what we are ostensibly discussing. And what problems? For example, it is widely …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 10:22 PM
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Women have fathers and brothers and male friends, and yet they're not sympathetic to problems that don't affect them directly, as pointed out by the initial comment I was responding to. Men are increasingly waking up to the fact that perhaps their mothers and sisters and female friends have been helped enough https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/authoritarian-sexism-trump-duterte/576382/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 10:09 PM
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Lmao hungry hammer
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 05:22 PM
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Maybe he has an unusually robust immune system https://www.gq.com/story/body-odor-attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 05:03 PM
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If women are demanding hypergamy then the selection of men to marry or have relationships with is continuing to shrink. This will lead to a higher competition for high valued men. Maybe women of that generation will increasingly start to date older men. Giggity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 06:15 AM
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Not with that attitude!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 06:08 AM
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Haha I mean I don't necessarily disagree with you...I just find it hard to believe that someone would maintain a front like that in the face of my open disdain for dating women with colorful pasts. Maybe they don't feel it at all. That's fine too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 02:41 AM
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just the ones in power. The ones in power are put there by the ballot box. the bitter dude brigade is changing who is in power by virtue of their vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 02:29 AM
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Done. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 01:57 AM
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I think that's true as a general matter, but I believe there are people at the borderline. High value people try in any time. Low value people try in no times. Perhaps it's the ones in the middle who in other times would he nudged toward effort that are nudged in these times toward not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 01:02 AM
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Maybe they're "voluntarily forgoing" the effort because they're lazy? I think things like technology, availability of drugs, etc. are taking away the edge at the margins. Everyone is just willing to try a little bit less in current year than they would be in times that were more, for lack of a better word boring
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 11:53 PM
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I vastly prefer to be with women that are so into me that they don't do these things. It feels beneath me to have to negotiate/persist my way into sex. I've always been this way, and it's why this particular tactical aspect of RP doesn't really resonate with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 11:29 PM
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It's interesting because I highly doubt you'll get a woman to out right delve into your past like that esp just meeting her, and you feeling like she is using those questions to evaluate how good of a person you are.. when actually it shows who you were with someone I'm not for everyone. I'm sure I've missed out on several unfulfilling relationships by enforcing my boundaries. But they are what they are. I know what my needs are, and ignoring them wouldn't do me any good. It wouldn't do my partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 11:18 PM
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Would you then be taken aback if a girl asks you to tell her everything you've ever done with your ex? Nah I wouldn't be taken aback. And surely I'd see the logic of someone feeling as you suggest. Can't say it's happened to me very often, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 11:08 PM
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Will you actually try and delve that deep into someones past to ensure you feel good about first after? If it's beyond a one night stand, absolutely. I've learned to guard my time and emotions extremely jealously. How will you ever know if she's "easy, but only for you" ? What do you think a high N count actually is? And how will you know that you had to work harder for sex for others? I don't have any hard and fast rules....a lot of it is contextual, like say how hot she is. By delving. Sure, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 10:51 PM
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For me, it's like this. I'm not into long term relationships/marriage. I get into casual relationships to the extent that they make me feel good. Girls that are "easy", but only for me, make me feel special, and thus good. Girls with high n counts do not make me feel special, even if they're as easy for me as they were for the other guys. Accordingly, they don't make me feel good, so beyond a one night stand, I will be avoiding them. Girls who make me work harder for sex than they did other men …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 10:42 PM
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If feminists don't adress these double standards and focus on actual eqauality I fear that the next generation of young men will harbor resentment towards women and our interactions will be fucked. This in part led to the Trump victory, who knows what will happen next? It's already happening, not just here but around the world. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/576382/&ved=2ahUKEwjrg7zO7v_fAhUaITQIHVmdDiEQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw3pBxmE-84…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 10:00 PM
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It's almost like those patriarchy folks were onto something
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 09:56 PM
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historically I think they've reached the end of the line now. https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/576382/ Men are increasingly taking the tack of asking themselves how they stand to benefit from all this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 09:55 PM
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Why is it always "feminists" in particular? Because it purports to be about equality of the sexes. If they didn't hide behind that false veneer of nobility, it would be far more digestible. For example, 2 out of every 3 college degrees are awarded to women, but they still keep fighting for woman-specific collegiate assistance. What disparity will be adequate? 3/4? 4/5? That's not fighting for equality, and calling it so is disgusting, toxic hypocrisy, and it's also cowardice, almost as though th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 09:53 PM
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Why do men expect that feminism is for fixing men's issues? Why do feminists expect men to help women fix their issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 09:39 PM
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Don’t you know they are slaves to their dick and can’t control their sex drive? I sure am. So what? I for one am proud of knowing and being comfortable with my wants. Unless there's a God whose entry list you're trying to make, denying or suppressing these urges is completely pointless. You are aware everyone dies at the end, no matter what, right? "Ohh look at me I'm so complex and multifaceted in what I pursue" Men would live in a cardboard box if they could still fuck women. -Dave Chappelle
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 08:38 PM
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equal rights that one sex (male) took away from the other by force. At what point in time did women have these equal rights that men took away?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 06:05 PM
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These are discussions with anonymous strangers on the internet. You don't care about their advice (which is more like an opinion than anything), they don't care that you don't care, you don't care that they don't care that you don't care, and so on. There are obviously women in existence who end up alone because their standards are higher than what they themselves offer. There are men like that too. Some of them are called incels, and women call them out on their standards being too high just ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 08:34 AM
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Username checks out
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 12:48 AM
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Shame, that As if it were Injustice to sell dearer than we buy; or to give more to a man than he merits. The value of all things contracted for, is measured by the Appetite of the Contractors: and therefore the just value, is that which they be contented to give
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 12:46 AM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 05:42 PM
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Early 30s, once, though I said it in other relationships to keep the peace etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 05:36 PM
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You can still fuck women or take part in the sexual market while being MGTOW, you just can't make it the focus of your identity like redpillers What's the difference if you make it the focus of your identity or not if you draw the line at cohabitation?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 05:26 PM
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Aha
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 06:18 AM
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How?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 05:56 AM
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Flings are also risky. Condoms are not perfect and not every woman can be trusted when they claim to use contraceptives She can't sue you for child support without a last name
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 05:38 AM
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I could spend tons of energy trying to make a relationship work or I can just do whatever I want. Why not split the difference and stick to flings?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 05:16 AM
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As someone who pays it, do you think there's anything that should change about how child support works?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 04:13 AM
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The urge that men have and the urge that women have are different right, in that, in a world where marriage isn't a prerequisite to sex, the drive can be fulfilled more quickly and easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 01:53 AM
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Username checks out
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 01:37 AM
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i love how in this new world you picture men will be going their own way while women just...what? sit there with their tits in their hands waiting for the leftover man to have them? Why does this premise lead to the conclusion that if men ever go their own way en masse, itll be after women have already done so. What makes you believe that men necessarily wouldn't go first?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 01:28 AM
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The real question is: will men with reasonable access to the sexual market voluntarily forego it? Since men without reasonable access to the sexual market aren't really making a choice. Seems pretty doubtful that men who have access to sex would forego it en masse. Now marriage, on the other hand...it's surprising to me that any men marry now that marriage is not a prerequisite for sexual access. It strikes me as bizarre and idiotic: like aliens mimicking a past that doesn't exist anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 01:25 AM
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The only true way to avoid this for men would be to abstain from sex until ready to be a father. It's not like women who do so have "I poke holes in condoms/I like about birth control" written on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 08:05 PM
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The only reason to ever exercise self control is to avoid negative consequences. Self-control for its own sake is useless masturbatory ego stroking. Unless of course it's exercised for religious reasons. But then that falls also into avoiding negative consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 07:26 PM
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Skip the pump part, if they aren’t worthy of a relationship, they aren’t worthy of sex. Have some standards. Why not? Women have different standards for casual sex than for relationships. Everyone does.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 07:12 PM
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Who said I was talking about me?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 06:55 PM
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I don't think vetting is limited to the top%, but past a certain point, beggars can't be choosers
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 06:50 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 03:29 PM
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Interesting. I definitely do. I think there can be periods in a relationship (even the beginning), sometimes, where it isn't that way, but I think those are temporary,
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 03:27 PM
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People, they want someone to prove them wrong. Prove them wrong about what?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 07:29 AM
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This is the behavior of a man who has more options, and thus a better mate with higher value. The way to get here is to either actually cultivate more options or to give the appearance of it. To either cultivate high value or give the appearance of it. And, of course, how you perceive the other person affects this. If you treat the other person like your best possible option, well, that doesn't vouch very highly for you to them. So you can either: constantly work to improve yourself until you pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 02:44 AM
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It's totally true. The reason it's true has to do with the fact that whoever is higher value will act in this manner. That's just human nature. It's like they said in How I Met Your Mother: everyone is on someone's hook. No doubt there are some perceptually equal value relationships out there over certain periods of those relationships , to which this may not apply, but the fact is that the perceptual relative value of the partners can fluctuate over time. I also think it is a difficult thing to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 02:33 AM
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That's where the aversion to shame mechanism comes from. When we lived in tribes of 150 it could lead to ostracism from the tribe. But we're all rootless strangers now. What are you really being ostracized from?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 11:28 PM
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Ah well. Everyone can do with that information as he chooses. I think men act far too fearfully of shame, of being labeled creepy. A shameless man is the freest man. Ohh no a stranger thinks I'm creepy life = over.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 11:20 PM
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You shouldn't be worried. I don't know why anyone would call the police on someone who asks them to send nudes over the internet. Anyway, the intent in asking for nudes is the same regardless of the attractiveness of the asker. It doesn't make sense to call one of them creepy and the other uncreepy, because the thing being done is identical. Calling one unwanted or unwelcome, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 10:57 PM
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retarded fairness arguement If it happened "exactly as described", the issue is that you're involving law enforcement in one situation and not in the other. It's not about whether you deliver the nudes. Of course you should deliver nudes only when it's in your own interest--goes without saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 10:48 PM
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I think you've picked extreme examples when the real fun happens in the grey areas. Is hitting on a stranger in public at all creepy (assuming the initiator ends the advance upon being declined)? Some women think so. Is going in for a kiss without asking for consent first creepy? Forreal, some women think so (there was a whole thread about it on r/amitheasshole). Like beauty, creepiness is in the eye of the beholder
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 09:53 PM
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It's common knowledge that women can tell within the first 15 seconds if she would fuck a guy or not. She determines this mostly from his face as that's a good indicator of our immune systems, which we find attractive based on how different they are from our own (for men it's body fat percentage). This is called fluctuating asymmetry for anyone interested. I missed that last part.....fluctuating asymmetry for men is body fat percentage?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 05:23 AM
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Women are allowed to be egotistic, materialistic, predatory, manipulative, callous and amoral, but also default back to entitlement to protection, provision, validation and victim status. I want that! Dark triad or bust, I reckon
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/19 10:05 PM
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Really fascinating take I must say. There's a lot of wisdom there. I think loopholes are part and parcel of any kind of law, because people/legislators simply lack the ability to account for every possible scenario/eventuality. The justice system ends up being a kind of justice theater. It doesn't care so much about the individual injustices, but rather is merely interested in whether the script was followed. Literally billions of dollars are spent annually, across civil and criminal matters, ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/19 07:20 PM
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Capitalism and democracy leads to degeneracy and decadence. Are there other types of economic/political governance that would be less suceptible?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/19 06:05 PM
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Haha I just about walked into that one I reckon
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/19 03:56 AM
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Gotta admit, you make it sound pretty hillarious
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/19 03:20 AM
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Not being able to speak for yourself like a goddamn adult in a fucking board meeting leads to....rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/19 03:14 AM
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Even the commercial itself wasn't focused on dissuading rape and murder. Something doesn't have to be the worst thing to be a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/19 03:10 AM
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Addressing shaming and other kinds of psychological bullying comes to mind. Many of the ways in which women act out against others are insidious or subtle.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/19 02:45 AM
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All of this toxic masculine behavior is not only ignored by women, it is encouraged. Fair point. What always gets me though is, if this is the behavior being rewarded, why aren't more men exhibiting than even are now?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/19 01:30 AM
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It makes sense I suppose. I guess in both instances what makes it problematic is that people alive today are both not benefitting as men and/or whites did in the past did and being punished for them. It's like a double penalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/19 01:29 AM
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I am a shapeshifter. Not the reptilian kind, but the kind where my body type never stays in one place. As my body type has drifted back and forth periodically, I've gotten familiar with all of the different shades of female attention So true. I've gotten to where I can pick out the exact BMI where I become a viable sexual partner for women It's 26
/r/TheRedPill17/01/19 01:05 AM
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who think TV is real TV, and mainstream messaging generally, affects how many (I daresay most) people view the world. Surely you don't think otherwise? It doesn't matter if it is real or not in itself. Perception is reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/19 12:05 AM
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. Most men have never seen the inside of a boardroom and are certainly not going to call their CEO ‘sexist’ to the detriment of their own career. I enjoy my job and getting paid. Well said. A lot of this is not about men over women. It's the powerful over the less powerful. Whether because they have more money (in one context) or are more willing to go to jail/behave violently (its own sort of power, I suppose)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 11:47 PM
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At the end of the day, even if it's casual sex, it is much more enjoyable to be the guy a woman broke her rules for rather than the guy she created rules for.
/r/TheRedPill16/01/19 07:00 PM
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Is this actually a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 06:54 PM
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The only thing having a lot of sex made me feel is the desire for more sex. It's not enough standing alone. Learning that I could possibly have some influence over the quality/frequency of sex I have was what was really freeing. I gained a lot of my sexual experience at a time in my life when I thought it was mostly luck, that there wasn't much improvement I could make to move the needle.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 05:07 PM
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The internet is a bizarre place
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 05:04 PM
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Man that's brutal. 7 prime, wasted years he'll never get back.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 04:52 PM
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People like you are how things got to this point in the first place. Pretending like there aren't consequences to social narratives is what's actually pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 04:26 PM
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It's true. I've no interest in long term monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 08:11 AM
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I already conceded to hypocrisy. I do not have a low count. But, you know, I'm me. I'm not gonna fake comfort in a relationship for the sake of consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 07:24 AM
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They’re the ultimate “pick-me’s” You make them sound like suckups or teacher's pets
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 07:01 AM
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Your conclusion is in bad faith. People try to justify all kinds of irrational preferences with logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 06:56 AM
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OK well if it took you any longer than a month to figure it out, you didn't know what you were doing. It so happens it was on your timetable, but I don't know who you think you are. You're completely wrong. It's as maskable as any other taboo characteristic, which was the point of the abuse equivalence. Anyways, I bring it up explicitly early on now because I know thinking I'm a mind-reader is a fools errand. Lesson learned.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 06:51 AM
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Your bare assertion that people are predictable doesn't make it so. People mask their shit all the time, and when you're first getting to know someone is when it is easiest to hide it. The warning signs are always there, It this were true, no woman would ever enter into an abusive relationship. In fact, if this were true, no one would ever enter into a relationship with someone who they end up not attracted to. The warning signs were there amirite?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 06:44 AM
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You're assuming that there must have been warning signs in the first place. That assumption does not require you to have specified any. It is an incorrect assumption
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 06:40 AM
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Edit: actually, you did. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/aghazj/discussion_when_you_picture_a_man_who_breaks_up/ee6fit7 A naive, ignorant dude that should have probably seen the warning signs
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 06:37 AM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 06:34 AM
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I'm just saying, these warning signs you speak of. There weren't any. Should have done whatever got you your answer earlier. I didn't know it was important to me till then. And now I do. Lesson learned.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 06:30 AM
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They don't always come with warning labels. I dated a girl like this once. Nerdy as hell...pretty hard to guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 06:27 AM
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Lol I know right. All male interests are disposable. That's what made the Gillette commercial so frustrating to me. It's like this constant barrage of criticism whose parameters are specified exactly so that anything said against women is anathema and anything said against men is a-ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 05:32 AM
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Lmao...what if she says it's zero
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 05:13 AM
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I was exactly that guy, just in my late teens. It's funny you say that about preconceived notions, because before this experience, I always thought that guys caring about a girl's partner count were silly. In my case, she was #3 for me, I was #110+ for her. Her partner count wasn't the only reason it didn't work out, but I just couldn't deal with the images of someone with that many people. After that, I knew better. Now, if a girl has a high partner count, I know it's best for me to move on. Ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 05:02 AM
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I mean I believed it possible because I was exactly that guy, just in my late teens. In my case, she was #3 for me, I was #110+ for her. Her partner count wasn't the only reason it didn't work out, but I just couldn't deal with the images of someone with that many people. The funny thing is before that I always thought that guys caring about it were silly. After that, I knew better. Now, if a girl has a high partner count, I know it's best for me to move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 04:59 AM
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That guy surely didn't. Justifying slut shaming in the abstract is far different from what people do when actually in the situation. He didn't dispassionately recitreto her theories on evopsych or pair bonding. He viscerally reacted, quickly got dressed, and walked out. Attraction is irrational.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 04:55 AM
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I understand. Just offering an example of the "A but not B" case for the readers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 04:45 AM
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I dated a girl once with a triple digit count. Perfectly comfortable UMC childhood, no abuse, etc. She just liked to experiment. When the societal taboo has worn away, there are as many reasons for why a woman has a high partner count as there are women with high partner counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 04:37 AM
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Because a girl with a high n count brings out the visceral disgust reaction that the guy above had. Not every guy has that kind of reaction, but some do. I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 04:33 AM
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How is this any more or less irrational than any of the other irrational factors that go into whether we are attracted to someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 04:21 AM
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Do you think attraction is rational?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 04:17 AM
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irrational Noting the response the man had above, is it actually irrational for a man who naturally has such a response to seek a partner who does not trigger the response above?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 04:13 AM
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The child who also just happened to be a massive minority. The one who doesn't speak for the masses and the one who certainly doesn't speak for men. You see, Gillette missed the pendulum swing, they missed Trump being elected, they missed Brexit, Bolsonaro, Trudeaux's current approval rating, yellow vest protests. They missed the signs. While the rest of the world was getting tired of that screaming, moaning child and started sending it to it's room, Gillette thought it's was the right time to f…
/r/TheRedPill15/01/19 09:32 PM
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If someone is waiting for marriage, a relationship is not marriage. Unlikely but not impossible...at any rate I think it's possible enough to explore that it was a a possibity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 09:19 PM
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I've seen a lot of TRP assert that feminism is a society-level shit test. I guess we don't have rites of passage anymore the way we used to. Maybe this is one for our era.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 08:58 PM
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because males objectify women. she isnt a person with sexuality, she is an object. if she , an object, had sex with males before him, his majesty, she loses value in his cursed eyes. Yep. Pretty much. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:48 PM
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. [Romantic partners showed a significant level of matching in the prior number of intercourse partners. I don't think this necessarily supports your conclusion that Studs usually end up dating sluts even though the low-value men of the manosphere claim that no man would ever date a slut. Sluttiness is in the eyes of the beholder.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:47 PM
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M, early 30s, red A friend is someone you feel comfortable enough around to drop the act we all have to put on for society generally. There are other things too, but I think that's the biggest dividing line.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:43 PM
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If you are still a virgin after a 5 year relationship, I would imagine that you could find men willing to wait for marriage. If you've already had sex but want to not have it again until you're married: well, Ciara got Russell Wilson to wait I think. Become Ciara?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:29 PM
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That's why Men get salty when they find out they're courting Women who won't put for them as easily as others. But if Women put out too quick then they're sluts and should get dumped. I want a girl who is easy for me. It makes me feel special. That's about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:21 PM
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You are wrong. That's exactly what you can, and have to do, because no one has a crystal ball.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:33 AM
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My point is that it doesn't matter he didn't know about Amazon. He, and any man that makes any significant amount of money (say, a VP at a hedge fund) should enter into a prenup before marriage that says "whatever we each earn during the marriage, we take with us if we get a divorce". That covers everything. That would have covered his Amazon earnings
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:31 AM
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You can definitely say the man keeps whatever he earns in the marriage in the event of a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:24 AM
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Such debate being quashed by whatever is agreed in a prenuptial agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:23 AM
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that would only apply to the assets he had before the marriage. A prenup need not be limited to premarital assets
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:17 AM
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And Mackensie went to princeton, this is so insulting to equate her to a heroin addict. I absolutely was not comparing her to a heroin addict. What I said is in the absence of a prenup, she could've been one and it wouldn't have made a difference: she would still be entitled to half They met when they were both at a hedgefund. I doubt either of them knew they would end up billionaires at that point. She was a research associate and he was a VP. Even what he was making as a hedge fund executive m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:11 AM
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Nah...maybe temporarily, but soon becomes unsustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 01:41 AM
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Interesting. With online dating, it seems like there's a lot of opportunities for "arbitrage"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 12:00 AM
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It's not a privilege!!!11!!!! I'm just being compensated for the 30 cents on the dollar I'm paid less because I structure my career around giving birth to a baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 11:42 PM
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A lot of people do seem to want to do it, I'm sure for a variety of reasons. It's good if someone thinks it is, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 09:43 PM
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Damn this is fascinating stuff...thanks for sharing Yeah in that case don't get married either and triple wrap your wiener. Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 09:39 PM
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Haha wow....maybe the real redpill is "hang out with the less educated"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 09:27 PM
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Wow... TIL. Interestingly enough people in largest metro areas also report less sexual partners than people in smaller cities. That's even more shocking lol. Now I'm trying to think of why: maybe there are more alternative ways to keep oneself occupied in larger cities? Fascinating stuff. Maybe the real redpill is "live in a rural area and hang out with high school graduates"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 09:27 PM
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don't tertiary educated people have less sexual partners anyway? Wow is that true?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 09:18 PM
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Equality when convenient. Oh sure, 2 out of every 3 college degrees are awarded to women, but that's not a problem. let's focus on correcting a 3% wage gap for for upper middle class white women instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 08:37 PM
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Ah, I see. Makes sense. An infp who went to law school? unicorn Lol I know right
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 05:10 AM
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Because the underlying assumption, for example, is that the state ought to care either way whether the bastards starve. It certainly wasn't always the case that governments have cared.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 04:24 AM
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Yeah, I went to one of those too "Tender years "Best interests of the child" Sounds pretty moralizing to me Somewhere between overemphasizing it and saying it's irrelevant, the truth may like.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 04:19 AM
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I think you're vastly underestimating how much moralizing is involved in policy arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 04:12 AM
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the moralizing of the arrangement is baseless and nuts. How else can alternative laws ever come to be than by people discussing the merits of how they operate in a case like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 04:10 AM
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The illiterate who wrote this article should never work again. Anyway, Mackenzie is entitled to the money because that's what the law says, no less and no more. It boggles my mind how someone who works in finance could be such a lovestruck fuckhead as to not get a prenup, but since he did not negotiate one, Mackenzie would be as entitled to the money if she was strung out on heroin and being gangbanged every day as it would if she was literally the CEO, which the illiteratr who wrote the article…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 02:42 AM
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Haha reminds me of http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=468#comic
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 01:47 AM
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Lol r/childfree
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 01:13 AM
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Lol....it's something many view as good/a goal?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 01:02 AM
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Edit: pun not intended Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 12:41 AM
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The study mentioned that the mechanism didn't apply for "non-coital partnered exual behavior". Presumably lesbian sexual behavior would fall in this category?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 12:37 AM
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Thank you for the thoughtful response...very interesting. I think there's a lot of diversity in how people engage with the world, even more so now, sinx there are so many more variables in modern life. I want to believe that most people aren't just validation seeking, Yeah, I mean I guess it's hard to say how many are or aren't. It would be pure speculation, but my guess would be many more people go through a "phase" of pure validation seeking than who proceed that way in the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 12:34 AM
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He definitely does. But I still think many people are motivated by the more than zero aspect. Idn, maybe not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 12:06 AM
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spending you money on escorts, or retiring in Thailand, or getting a Vietnamese mail order bride, and try to knock one up. The escort doesn't provide the possibility of passing on genes, normally. I'm puzzled as to why more men don't go the mail order bride/third world bride route.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 12:05 AM
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I once dated a girl at a school like that...can confirm they also looked like they were enjoying themselves from the outside
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 11:58 PM
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If you were one of 100 women on a stranded island with one man who was a very unattractive beta Also known as a liberal arts college
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 11:49 PM
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Like you can't stay high and drunk forever. It is supposed to be momentary, God knows I tried. Eventually it stops working because of tolerance . In the words of the immortal poet the Weeknd drugs got me feelin like they decaf
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 11:47 PM
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. This obsession with latest and greatest leads to unhappiness with what we have today right here right It's human nature though. If it wasn't we'd still be in the forests. Though progress doesn't require everyone to be a malcontent, that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 11:25 PM
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Totally fair
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 10:37 PM
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But I don't think it's necessarily poor character...if you go on an online dating app and hundreds of men are constantly messaging their undying admiration/desire to go on a date/whatever for you, I'd argue it takes an unusual strength of character to reality check and conclude that no, this isn't accurate. But I don't know. It's all speculation anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 10:25 PM
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Then it's definitely untrue for those women . But the logic of it likely applies to at least some women: scientifically, one component of romantic love is the perceived unavailability of superior alternatives
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 10:18 PM
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That's my personal take as well. But why do you think so? I mean, it's just money. Can't take it with you. Genes propagating , even if it costs something, isn't it arguably worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 10:14 PM
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Very interesting. On a tangent, do you think it's true that things like online dating and social media, which perhaps give the appearance of nearly infinite alternatives, causes some women to have unreasonable standards rather than the reasonable ones you recommend? In other words, are there more women who are hard average in reality than who assess themselves that way as a result of the perception of many options?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 10:04 PM
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In the end woman and men will be forced to settle or not be able to reproduce or date. That question is up to the individual. No right answear. I totally agree. There isn't a right answer. There literally can't be one. I'm curious to see individual opinions on what they would find to be the more appealing choice between "settling" and not reproducing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 09:52 PM
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Here is a link, might be easier to read in mobile. https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/98554903/
/r/TheRedPill13/01/19 09:47 PM
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I think of the orgasm gap/70% and in the context of TRP, we would say that the orgasm gap is due to a lack of Alpha Males in society. So, most women settle sexually. Bingo. Women are more likely to orgasm if they find their partner attractive. TLDR: ✓ Learn what your partner wants ✓ Put more effort ✓ Consider her needs ✓Just be attractive to her https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090513811000250 We found that women reported more frequent and earlier-timed orgasms when mated to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 09:37 PM
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70% of Americans are overweight or obese. This doesn't count the additional 10-20% who are normal weight but metabolically unhealthy. This means that up to 90% of American adults aren't even willing to put the fork down to avoid serious health issues and even death. Calling such a high percentage of the population "stupid" kinda swallows up the meaning of the word. If they can't even put the fork down, how are they going to put the cock down when that is such a powerful drive? Lacking self contr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 09:32 PM
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Many refer to the monetary losses men incur during divorce proceedings (child support, alimony, property, etc.) as "divorce-rape"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 09:29 PM
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Everything is dumb. We're just animals who can talk and try to suppress what feels good as much as we are able, some more than others. But in the long run, what feels good wins out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 09:28 PM
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For someone who agrees, the question would be an easy one. But many don't see it that way. Even at the boundary of the logic, negligible is more than zero
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 09:27 PM
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Well yeah. But whatever money is left over after spending is presumably saved. The truth of it is that there's an outstanding claim on half of that savings in the event of a divorce, so one may as well mentally treat it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 09:11 PM
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Because feeling good feels good I reckon. Being charmed feels good.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 09:06 PM
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I care a lot more about if the result is enjoyable/aesthetically pleasing than how they got to it. Anyone that's not literally running around completely naked and unadorned in a jungle is technically "misrepresenting"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 09:03 PM
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If beta wasn't suitable for our specy, then it would have been long gone. Everyone can't be a leader. There have to be people to be led.
/r/TheRedPill13/01/19 08:15 PM
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All the things that hypergamy selects for are good for your development as a man. Lift heavy weights to make yourself stronger. Read books to make yourself smarter. Create a strong frame and be more dominant. Stop avoiding conflict and stand up for yourself. Take charge of your life and take the lead. Build a network of men you respect. Climb the social hierarchy. Kill it in your career and make lots of money. Take women off of the pedestal and stop taking them so goddamn seriously. Act like you…
/r/TheRedPill13/01/19 07:40 PM
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Choo choo
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 08:58 AM
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I've been wondering, is there maybe a class difference? Like when you mentioned opportunities and what not, maybe part of the distinction is access to wealth/opportunities/etc. People for whom society is working well, I would think, are less likely to question society. I mean sure there are those seminal stories of the sexless millionaires turning to pickup artists to learn game, but by and large, I don't think that's representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 07:41 AM
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... on Mars 🙋 That escalated fast ..literally!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 07:34 AM
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The court can be swayed by anyone, they just have to be right. And it's really easy to do, it just takes homework, money, time and patience Like I said, it works sometimes. The laws are constructed against men, which is why it is an uphill battle. You do realize courts interpret laws and not make them, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 07:04 AM
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ey won't do so in a court of law, I I'm lost as to how this relates to your OP (your OP says they don't justify their perspectives, but now you're simply concluding that their perspectives are unjustifiable) So as far as courts.. I feel like you keep talking about courts of law in contexts that don't really fit: First of all, men make these kinds of arguments in court all the time. They often aren't accepted. Sometimes they are. There are thousands of courts in this country. If a decision isn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 06:51 AM
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no you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 06:39 AM
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I bring this up because of the trends I see where men refuse to explain their views. They deflect, saying they don't owe an explanation, but oftentimes it's obvious their views are self-serving and purposely dismissive of others at the same time. What's an example of this that is unique to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 06:15 AM
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Now? That I stopped being an asshole to her for years? All I had to do was accept that I don't own women and stop being an asshole. Worked great. Anything in particular help you reach these realizations?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 05:48 AM
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Totally...didn't realize that year was the turning point but sounds about right. Whatever middle class remains, however, seems likely to be predominantly female. Museum of the Middle Class
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 04:52 AM
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If you're a man looking to marry, set aside half of your money/paychecks so that you get used to the idea that it will eventually be seized from you. Boom. Problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 04:14 AM
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Small excerpt from a larger discussion in the seminal Hannah Rosin article The End of Men https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/308135/ The whole country’s future could look much as the present does for many lower-class African Americans: the mothers pull themselves up, but the men don’t follow. First-generation college-educated white women may join their black counterparts in a new kind of middle class, where marriage is increasingly rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 03:14 AM
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The difference is that in modern relationships, the woman can only hold that card until sex does happen. So she can not have sex until she gets what she wants (commitment, a ring, a house, whatever) The fact that what men want is more temporary than what women want doesn't make what women want morally superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 11:36 PM
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It is morally equivalent to a woman hinting and indicating sex to a man in order to get emotional support. Each involves misleading another about their true intentions to achieve a certain end.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 10:43 PM
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How does that require being upfront? Either the man says yes I will be monogamous with you or he does not. If he says so, if he agrees to commit, but cheats anyway, he is in the wrong, and that is as condemnable as a woman doing so. If he does not agree to commit, he has not committed, and the woman may do with that information as she pleases, whether it's try to wait it out to see if he eventually commits or leaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 10:25 PM
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lead on? If a woman does not want to have sex with a man without being in a relationship, she can, you know, not have sex until she's in a relationship. If a woman does not want to continue having sex with a man who won't commit to her, she can leave. In the same way friendship tokens don't entitle men to sex, sex tokens don't entitle women to commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 10:01 PM
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rp relationship requires the female to risk vulnerability I don't do relationships. RP openly and seriously advocates against relationships. Hence why no one should bother with men caught up in the cult. Get caught up, don't get caught up, we're all free to do what's best for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 09:54 PM
1

male ephebophilia and polgyny as rational rather than purely instinctual. It is both. It is the first because it is the second. Happy good. Pleasure good.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 04:26 PM
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Haha it definitely is...you as well!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 06:24 AM
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Hell no. I love pleasure. This is all we got.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 05:52 AM
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I wonder what it's like to fuck.her I wonder how I can get to fuck her. If it seems unlikely, I start wondering who is getting to fuck her, what are they like, and what did they have to go through to get to fuck her I start wondering about what it must feel like to be someone who's able to instantly evoke in another person the intensity of desire I'm experiencing in that moment I start panicking and feeling powerless , because in that moment I realize the rest of all this shit that has to be don…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 05:45 AM
3

I wovvve youuuu midgetmommywife
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 04:07 AM
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especially the men here who seem to hate being shamed. Men make way too many decisions on this basis. The freest man is a shameless one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 03:58 AM
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nobody cares. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/275916/ What seems harmless and natural, however, is neither. A culture in which older men value younger women more than their own female peers does damage to everyone. https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/human-interest/2016/11/why-older-men-who-date-younger-women-are-so-infuriating.amp Each example disgusts me anew in a way that’s probably not entirely defensible: I think I might be angrier about these couples than I …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 03:04 AM
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How does that justify celebrating the hypocrisy? Because it's more realistic? How about older guys that get with younger girls? "creepy", exclaims society. But only if the guy is older. If it's Mrs. Macron or whatever yay empowerment! Regardless of what you say, some women prefer older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 02:57 AM
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A fat woman will say I should be accepted at any size, but I'm also entitled to prefer swimsuit models because no one is entitled to my body. Mainstream media cheers and celebrates her empowerment. Imagine the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 02:53 AM
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Yes I agree that men and women are both hypocritical in furtherance of their best outcome. What I'm referring to is the tendency of popular media to mock male hypocrisy and celebrate women's hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 02:49 AM
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I hate hypocrisy. I'm fine with that being life, but I'm not fine with being bombarded with messaging that undermines reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 02:47 AM
2

Totally agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 02:45 AM
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That doesn't negate any of the points I'm making. That just explains why men have lower standards. Such women are even getting commitment just fine. Women have higher physical standards than men. And yet all society blathers on about like brain diseased farm animals is the standards of men .
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 02:34 AM
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Much more than women, that's for sure. As you said An average looking skinny fat guy with a college degree.... 70% of American adults are overweight or obese. 1/3 have college degrees It's just demands demands demands A skinny fat woman with a college degree is treated as a fucking catch now.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 02:31 AM
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women are attracted to.... The work it takes to become that, of course. Naturally, men will underestimate the amount of work women have to do, and women will underestimate the amount of work men will have to do, because people are out for themselves. But society doesn't give two shits about the work men have to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 02:27 AM
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The daily complaining I see about each of those on the TVs, about beauty standards, about demonizing male sex drive, etc. tells a very different story. Where's all the folks empathizing with all the shit men have to go through? It doesn't exist. Except for on anonymous and also demonized internet forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 02:23 AM
1

women accept male nature for what it is, Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 02:19 AM
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This is people generally: honesty for thee but not for me, because when I'm dishonest there's a damn good reason for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 11:09 PM
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Donald Trump: Alpha, but not Chad Justin Bieber: Chad, but not Alpha The Rock: Chad and Alpha
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 09:20 PM
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Savage!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 07:27 PM
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The only correct response
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 06:55 PM
4

Seems to me that people who are anyways happier, healthier, and wealthier than single men are the ones more likely to find someone who wants to marry them anyway. No one wants to marry a loser! So presumably, these positive traits would persist existing in them regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 05:33 PM
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fear of rejection ironically results in behaviors that tend to elicit the very rejection that people who are low in self-esteem fear. Now the interesting question is whether some people rationally fear rejection, like some kind of self ostracism because of shitty genes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 05:30 PM
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http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=468#comic
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 08:10 AM
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It wouldn't be worth it for my potential partners to lie to me about having many, because I make clear early on that I don't like to date women with many partners. Why would someone want to be with someone who doesn't approve of their psst? I'm not saying it's impossible that someone would try to do that, but, ya know, thems the breaks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 08:04 AM
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In the words of the immortal poet John Mayer fathers be good to your daughters daughters will love like you do girls become lovers, who turn into mothers so mothers be good to your daughters too
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 07:10 AM
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Dead people are dead
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 06:50 AM
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Coulda fooled me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 06:35 AM
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Just seems like a very specific kind of shame that people would just be thankful they've left behind, I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 06:23 AM
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Why would someone admit to being a loser after escaping being a loser?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 06:12 AM
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I didn't say it says anything about her. Why should I get therapy? I date women who have few partners, and no problem is posed. Everybody Happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 06:11 AM
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It just made me super queasy. Kept having images of all these other dudes being with her. Just grossed me out. Never again
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 05:52 AM
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To give a specific example, I couldn't for the life of me understand growing up the taboo of women having lots of sexual partners. Why not just everyone explore yay!! And then I dated someone with a lot of past partner (100+) Let's just say my perspective changed. I don't care what people do in their own lives, but if that's what they do, they're not for me to date. The next girl I dated had no past partners. That worked a lot better for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 05:43 AM
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And in return, she got to share in the lifestyle that support earned for so long as they remained married
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 04:20 AM
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This isn't even a first world problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 01:33 AM
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I mean that it should be a prerequisite to her seeing any money at all. How that money should be divided is an open question. He was a busy man. If he had to take more part in childcare, how much of the acceleration of his enterprise would have been slowed? Yes they could've hired maids in this hypo, but they didn't. Surely we can see that there's an advantage to having a parent involved in raising the kid rather than hired help
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 11:33 PM
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A spouse should only see money if they stayed home raising children, since that means they gave up on their own career. Otherwise, you should leave with what you brought in. Whatever contribution she made to Amazon has as much value as whatever she negotiated at the time, just like any other early employee
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 11:25 PM
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It's not like there's a list or a mass comparison that can be run of all 150mil+ American men....isn't it more like top 20% in a given context, just as a practical matter? A man can be below the top 20% in one bar and in the top 20% in another.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 03:27 PM
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People love conditionally. I reckon TRP focuses on the woman aspect both because it is a story told from the man's perspective and because many men grow up thinking women love unconditionally , for whatever reason .
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 03:25 PM
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It would. Some guys definitely find plastic surgery repulsive, far fewer with make up. I guess guys are kind of in an r/choosingbeggars type of situation. They pretty much all wear makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 03:06 PM
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What are shitty genes nowadays? I doubt your average fuckboy of today could make a stand against a lion or a bear. Most likely to be useful, I guess? good looks are no more a predictor of good health th Supposedly symmetry is an indicator of less illness or what not Meh. Not entirely sure TBH.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 03:05 PM
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You're right Similarly, men can learn to reconcile uncomfortable truths and be better off for doing so. It makes more sense to go with the option possible to attain, no matter how much harder it is than doing nothing. Nah. Foregoing monogamy altogether is a much better option than reconciling.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 06:26 AM
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They see learning charm as masking shitty genes, perhaps
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 06:24 AM
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You need to have a seductive voice and know how to talk dirty and she has to be horny and into you, though. You definitely don’t say, “please have sex with me,” LOL, that’s some cringey/needy shit. I wonder if even this amount of advice would be acceptable to the Jezebel author
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 06:22 AM
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If it's not a "fuck yes", it might as well be a no etc. etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 06:18 AM
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Haha that is definitely true
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 02:30 AM
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Yeah, there's no fully white people posting angry things annnnnywherrreee We've all got our crosses to bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 01:03 AM
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Fact is, he probably won't be able to by then even if he wanted to. But that's why he have medicare. Assisted living etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 11:51 PM
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90 day fiance is great material for this stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 11:47 PM
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your son Still counts! Still reproduced
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 11:47 PM
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There's no point really. Most of the courtship rituals hearken back to an era when women couldn't work and needed a man to provide for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 10:38 PM
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Unless you have a reason of spiritual superiority for doing so (e.g., the priesthood), I must imagine it's harder than ever before to be content with involuntary celibacy in a society that shoves sex down our throats every minute of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 10:20 PM
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Sure why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 10:15 PM
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During interrogation, Ades claimed she would never hurt the man saying “something came over me” when sending the threatening texts. When asked if she believed the texts were normal, she said she didn’t. "No, I don't think anything I say is normal. I understand now,” Ades reportedly told police. She's pretty obviously a borderline. Basically a ticking time bomb where eventually some man was going to trigger a response like this in her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 09:49 PM
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He simply will not gain back that muscle short of PED’s. I even said they won't get back to what they were before. But that doesn't mean they can't remain at a socially attractive amount of muscle. From the Mayo Clinic https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/stay-active-to-slow-muscle-loss-that-comes-with-aging/ Fortunately, it is within our power to combat this natural process of muscle loss. With exercise and an active lifestyle, we can begin to bring some muscle back. And the really goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 09:02 PM
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You can comb over the hair all you want, Hair piece but you won’t lose the gut Eat less and you will eventually. It may take longer but it's surely possible. I can understand some people thinking it's not worth the effort, but if we're talking about if it's possible, it is. you will lose the muscle. Relative to earlier self, yeah. But relative to society? 70% of adults are overweight or obese in the US. If you do your best at that age, many people can be more than ok. It's a matter of priorities…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 08:43 PM
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Touche'
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 06:13 PM
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Mais oui
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 04:57 PM
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Haha I just might be! Very true
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 04:53 PM
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I have mostly healed You should consider getting a refund
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 04:27 PM
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are you suggesting that this quote sounds like a particular poster on PPD? Kinda reminiscent of the discussions in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/addsz7/mens_looks_also_decrease_past_their_20s_just_in
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 04:23 PM
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Exactly lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 03:48 AM
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I care about the actuality of somebody standing in front of me good, bad, or indifferent. 1000% agree. I just mean it's a shame that these men are leaving so much on the table, so many experiences they could be having if they worked on these issues that are eminently resolvable. Meh. They probably don't see it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 03:24 AM
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If this French bro wants to grease up 25 year old Asian chicks Lmao sounds like a cooking show
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 03:20 AM
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Right totally, but it's a choice, you know? Fitness is a choice. Attire is a choice. Even baldness can be remedied. Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 03:16 AM
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Lol They wear those jeans that sag at the ass because they have adjust them to fit below their beer bellies. They dress like eight year old boys and they have poor posture and their bodies are not super attractive So much potential left on the table. Pretty much all of that is rectifiable. Pretty accurate description in many cases though tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 03:08 AM
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Balding, beer bellies, muscle atrophy Each of these can be remedied, though granted many men choose not to fight the good fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 02:42 AM
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Damn...sounds pretty accurate. Username checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 02:35 AM
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On the internets you can even sort by age What a time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 02:27 AM
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That's true. I think the movement going anywhere would end up being led by someone like President Trump, a guy that has made it in life but feels slighted by the other elites.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 01:07 AM
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This is basically the problem with any kind of men's rights activism. Being a man who is publicly advocating that men need help is basically tantamount to admitting weakness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 12:56 AM
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Don't waste the rest of your 20s in the Bay area. Try and go somewhere else. No joke
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 09:08 PM
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. I gained a ton of weight and I’ve just recently started trying to start loosing it This is the most important step. It will vastly expand your pool of potential partners if you lose weight. Women your age with few sexual partners do exist. If you have more than say 30 pounds to lose, you should focus almost entirely on dieting. Exercise is good for maintaining weight, but it also makes you hungry, so doing it while trying to lose a bunch of weight is basically futile. https://tdeecalculator.ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 08:47 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 06:38 PM
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Why do women continue to marry despite all this?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 07:31 AM
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Malthusian Alienation
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 07:26 AM
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Haha do you usually disagree with me
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 07:11 AM
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If I'm reading right it sounds like you're putting yourself down?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 07:07 AM
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Ouch
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 07:03 AM
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Hard times make strong men---->strong men make good times-->good times make weak men---->weak men make hard times Hard times make strong men---->...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 05:45 AM
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I mean there have been nobility/merchant classes made up of soft people with "secondary" skills (as contrasted with primary force/brute strength) for millennia, ever since the advent of agriculture, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 05:43 AM
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For Science
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 05:30 AM
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That brings us to "the catch" or "high betas" or "tamable alphas" the few men that hang somewhere in the balance, enough beta to have a white picket fence with and enough alpha to keep her attracted. Reminds me of Don Draper
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 05:30 AM
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our society rewards 'lower quality' men with power and $ beyond what they would expect in a more 'natural' environment. so lots of 'beta' guys are running around with $$$ they probably wouldn't hold in a more 'traditional' society. What kind of traditional society are you comparing to?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 05:27 AM
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Men at 40 are just as fat, ugly and out of shape as women are. Fat, ugly, and out of shape men are just as fat, ugly, and out of shape as fat, ugly and out of shape women are. Taking into account the part of the population that doesn't let themselves go, more men in that group are able to maintain their looks than women in that group .
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 05:22 AM
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Probably my aspie brain but when I was deep in redpill rage about AWALT I would have to translate everything a woman was saying into something else (more cynical/exploitative.) Or, ya know, file away what they've said and observe their longer term behavior and see if the two are congruent? They may be, they may not be.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 05:38 AM
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EVERYONE I KNOW IS GETTING MARRIED.Granted, my friends back home have been married forever. Some of them are even divorced or remarried. It’s not the same out here in the big city —people take a little longer to make it official. Now I’m at the age where even my friends here are getting married and having kids. I feel like the odd man out because I don’t want a family. I don't think she wants to marry as badly as she makes it sound. If she did, she would've made choices in previous relationships…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 03:37 AM
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Brilliant. You're totally right. That's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying it is a great idea either, BTW. In light of the reality you've pointed out, it sure doesn't seem like it is. Taken in that context, the strength it takes for the people who make this chaos work at all is pretty admirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 12:28 AM
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I might take this seriously if you were to say "people in general" should be more tolerant of cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 12:19 AM
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I think men get turned off by women with rough backgrounds. I think it's self preservation. I didn't used to be. But when someone's upbringing is bad enough, it can reach a point that it permeates the rest of their lives. I must admit a man who is capable of rolling with that even without having had similar experiences is pretty strong. Such strength is not for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 11:38 PM
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It is the start of whoredom, with the rather dubious payment of a continued relationship with a guy you've lost respect and lust for. What I'm hearing you say is marriage is a terrible idea? Do you think there are marriages that exist that don't reach this juncture?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 11:20 PM
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Why do men stop caring about their mates? Because everyone does. Evolution designed us for procreation, which means short term relationships, butterflies in the stomach, intense desire to be with that person, etc. Evolution did not design us for long-term relationships. There is no biological mechanism for long term relationships. Max 4 years ..the amount of time it takes to raise a baby out of infancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 11:17 PM
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People, both men and women, who have more options tend to explore them. And they should. For each gender, if their suitors' plate spinning habits are undesirable, they should look for ones with fewer options, since they are far less likely to be able to/to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 11:13 PM
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It sucks to say but you never know when someone's demons will come tumbling out. I never thought of it that way until exactly that happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 11:01 PM
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Men criticize women, women criticize men. Fair enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 07:20 PM
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Aww...that's pretty adorbs
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 07:16 PM
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How many girls are out there that would never sleep with any guy on the first date, ever? That's really what this is about at the end of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 06:57 PM
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It's totally different if she wouldn't do it for anyone (sleep with them on the first date). However, if she would do it for someone, and that someone is not you, then she should go find the someone she would do it for, and the guy should go find another girl for whom he is that "someone".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 06:56 PM
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A whole new worrrrrrld
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 06:12 PM
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People should really work through their traumas before getting into serious relationships. Or at least warn the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 05:32 PM
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I could give a fuck less. There's only two possibilities. If a girl says no, she and her opinions of me are no longer relevant, because she's got no benefit to offer me. If she says yes, then obviously it's also irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 06:25 AM
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It's 2019. She ain't no virgin. If there is a nonzero likelihood that she is someone who would sleep with a guy on the first date, and I'm not that guy, she can go find herself that guy, and I can go find myself whatever girl I am that guy for. Simple. The end.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 05:31 AM
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I have to imagine it's different men arguing each of those?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 11:03 PM
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Exactly. Men take being called creepy way too personally and way too seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 10:30 PM
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Both men and women have become painfully bad at enforcing healthy boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 09:48 PM
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evolutionary mistake You don't get how this whole evolution thing works huh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 06:44 PM
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Instead of punishing innocents for your trauma by pretending to be normal so that men will date you prior to springing your lunacy on them , you gendercritical people should shut the fuck up crawl to a corner and die alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 06:26 PM
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we women Don't attribute your rape-infested lunacy to all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 06:23 PM
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I don't know what kind of fake propaganda your rape-crazed lunatics at gendercritical are shoving down your throat, but it's like 2% of men who do that. You should serve as a warning label to any man who thinks being with a woman that thinks that's a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 06:17 PM
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You're disgusting. The world you want will never come to be. Get over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 04:11 PM
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Sure, just saying don't have to marry to avail of those. Cohabitation leverages that as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 04:10 PM
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There are all kinds of traditions associated with marriage that were grounded in the "property framework". The father "giving away" the bride, the bride wearing white to symbolize her virginity (lmao at virginity symbols in #current year). My take: if you're gonna marry someone at least take the damn name. Otherwise why even do it? The tax breaks aren't even that significant.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 05:43 AM
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It's a race to the bottom (Chuckle) Here's the thing: You get DRAGGED into the race. Is exactly what men should be doing. The race is the biological imperative. This is what freedom looks like. Freedom is more work in some ways, sure, but in other ways it's much less work, and goddamn it feels good. No one is pressuring us into anything like the old days...the only time recently I've ever really seen a guy get shit for not having a family is the homosexual rumors against Lindsey Graham when he b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 04:50 AM
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Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 09:23 PM
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Plentyoffish seems to skew more working class than the others
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 08:45 PM
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Society says sex isn't important while simultaneously shoving it down our throats every minute of the day to make money. Bunch of fucking sociopaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 07:36 PM
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Statistically significant Maybe learn what words mean before using em, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 07:41 AM
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A delicious steak
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 07:39 AM
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35% of husbands outearn their wives by at least $30,000
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 07:32 AM
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I didn't say all of them. I said, and I quote, "millions".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 07:26 AM
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You should also be able to tell who the losers are based on what you see here and their responses. How's that high horse--comfy?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 07:19 AM
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And the fact that women are still being asked to submit to men out of obligation is an obvious attempt to fool/shame/bully women into accepting a maternal role to all of society. The laundry list of self-serving aims that women attempt to fool/shame/bully men into is virtually endless. And whoever, man or woman, sacrifices their agency as a result did not desrve it to begin with. Spare me. Men will then be free to defer to "mother" and have her clean up his messes for him in perpetuity. Lol. I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 07:16 AM
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The spell check would make her angry because she'd think it's disagreeing with her
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 02:26 AM
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People are first and foremost concerned with their own problems. As demonstrated, for example, by your trivializing the potential damage of a false rape accusation. Does it really surprise anyone that men and women each weigh their own downsides more heavily?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 02:23 AM
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😥
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 06:14 PM
8

I saw at least two people drop out of school over it--had to keep playing. It's definitely a real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 05:26 PM
5

The problem exists. The government literally intervening in the SMP Is more of an r/incels type of proposition. There are several things the government could do that wouldn't involve such an intervention, that would help alleviate the problem, and that would survive judicial scrutiny. Two that come to mind are legalizing prostitution and performing outreach to help bring parity to the college education gap (twice as many women as men earn college degrees).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 08:18 AM
3

PPD men refuse to justify their view Which view
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 07:44 AM
2

Lmao touche'
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 06:18 AM
2

Hm is it still purge or whatever? Blacks are naturally alpha
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 06:16 AM
2

the top 1% Occupy Wall Street lemonfloss
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 05:56 AM
1

You don't like things
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 05:53 AM
3

Internet is weird that way. I thought littleknownfacts was a blue pill guy rather than a rpw before reading post history
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 05:05 AM
3

They all look the same with the lights off
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 01:02 AM
1

CURRENT YEAR
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 01:00 AM
1

Society also used to repress female sexuality. Taking the finger off of only one spring doesn't seem like a great idea
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 11:44 PM
2

Reminds me of the Sexy Son Hypothesis
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 11:27 PM
3

Yeah exactly this is what I was getting at ...they're more likely to keep it suppressed or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 11:22 PM
1

I always thought they were silly. But I made one this year and actually achieved it! Prolly gonna quit while I'm ahead doe and not make one for 2019
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 11:02 PM
2

Damn this looks really good
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 11:00 PM
1

What would be the female equivalent? Getting validation on social media
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 10:58 PM
9

Maybe IQ beyond a certain point is not beneficial from a natural selection perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 10:56 PM
4

Seal video
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 10:41 PM
22

Totally. I guess it's kind of a woman-centric double standard. Woman wearing makeup : all good Man learning game: MANIPULATIVE MONSTER!!!!111
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 10:39 PM
1

Seems that way. No biggie.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 10:33 PM
2

I have this feeling borderlines are disproportionately attractive because no one would put up with that kind of behavior from someone unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 10:31 PM
1

Yeah and it's such a tease. Like where my sex at
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 10:26 PM
45

women HATE betas who improve themselves Maybe some of them see it as masking shitty genes
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 10:18 PM
5

What's this Purge thing
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 10:01 PM
4

Nice guys finish last has it backwards. Last guys finish nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 10:01 PM
2

Why thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:58 PM
2

It's been incredible. I was definitely one of those people whose life revolved around the desire for a companion. The idea that the best thing I can do is devote singular focus to my own self improvement has been transformational. It's made me a much better partner for however long I end up dating the girls I do. It's helped me understand that my desire for a relationship was based pretty strongly on validation and codependence. But depending on that kind of validation is basically empty calorie…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:56 PM
2

I wouldn't say flipped necessarily. Both have always been parts of my nature (which is probably why I gravitate so strongly to this particular sub). I now tend to favor the RP aspects of my nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:50 PM
2

Hahah I very much buy into the core message of RP. Before anyone distilled these perspectives into pills, I vacillated wildly between both. Pretty much the more into a girl I was, the more "bluepilled" I would act, and, accordingly, the worse things would turn out.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:47 PM
1

Man even that's lucky being able to quell the urge with porn . For me porn, strip clubs, etc., It's just not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:45 PM
2

Lol fair
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:20 PM
2

It's not like she stops you after she sees it. Still counts!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:16 PM
2

MAGA
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:11 PM
1

It's like the Larry First rule in Curb your Enthusiasm. He wants whoever shows up first to be seen by the doctor when it benefits him, and whoever has the earlier appointment to be seen first when it benefits him.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:10 PM
2

Good bot
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:08 PM
3

Username checks out
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:08 PM
1

Ugh
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:07 PM
3

Dafuq is a goku
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:02 PM
3

Till I read your post history I had an assumption that you were a bluepilled guy just based on your postings I'd read. Internet is a strange medium.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:01 PM
1

Reckon there's an audience for it. Self-sacrifice is cringey now that women can earn their own money . Very don Quixote
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:59 PM
2

Except before there wasn't an internet through which all such people could congregate without leaving home . Interesting times.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:46 PM
3

Sounds more like they're trying to make it acceptable for men who want it to want it. Not to force men who don't want it to want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:45 PM
1

Does it?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:43 PM
3

What do you expect to happen when men cant get pussy? Sit in their rooms, lay down and die? That mostly seems to be what's happening
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:41 PM
2

Catcalling is so empty. The only place in the world I've ever seen it work to actually engage a woman is Jamaica. I'd be more concerned if "even trying to escalate a real interaction" were made a crime. But fair enough, it can be a slippery slope.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:30 PM
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If hypocrisy goes on without being pointed out, it only gets worse. Men not bothering to point it out is how we got here in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:29 PM
3

Why? If you stop upon being told to stop, what exactly did you do wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:28 PM
1

It's an effective playbook clearly, feminism's . Might as well use what works I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:23 PM
1

And yet they do. It's easy as a man to be tempted to down play it, but goddamn pussy feels good
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:19 PM
2

Escalate, and if there's resistance , try another woman another time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:18 PM
2

Me love you mediumtime.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:16 PM
1

Yeah it just feels so cringey.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:16 PM
2

Just the tip
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:15 PM
1

I dunno maybe I just can't relate. I don't even like being made conversation with in a tipping situation (e.g. hairstylists), much less believing the stripper secretly loves me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:14 PM
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Maybe it's like a jewelry store advertising on TV. Just because they placed the ad doesn't mean they want homeless people walking through the security door or gawking outside
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:13 PM
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Haha what do you mean? People think that the porn actresses are genuinely enjoying their experience? Come on that can't be a widely held belief
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:11 PM
1

I'll take #2. I want every woman to understand male nature. Then the ones that like men are genuinely liking men. Believe it or not, the two are not mutually exclusive for all women. If I have to pick between being liked and being understood, I'll pick being understood 69% of the time, every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:10 PM
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Yeah. I just don't think there's this widespread epidemic of men wanting hardcore sex the way they make it sound in the tvs.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:08 PM
3

Mmm pants. Sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:07 PM
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Is it really that common? Most instances of this that women observe is probably a guy going through a brief phase. Once you've tried anal once it's kinda like....ok. that was a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:06 PM
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I work in endocrinology. Maybe your above average understanding of the biological processes underlying sex drive leads to a sort of self regulating self awareness? I dunno man. Like Dave Chappelle said I'd live in a cardboard box if I could still get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:04 PM
1

Totally mutual amigo.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:00 PM
4

All men are human. Where's your humanity?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:56 PM
3

I like this guy
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:46 PM
1

Is she especially attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:06 PM
5

But I seriously doubt that Elliot Roger or Alek Minassian would have killed anyone if they had just legally bought some sex with the money they wasted on guns and ammo. If they were willing to murder, were laws really stopping them from seeing a prostitute?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 05:22 PM
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And women found guilty of sex crimes are already included on that list, ningnong. Well actually, not always https://krcrtv.com/archive/convicted-former-pe-teacher-wont-register-as-sex-offender https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2017/02/03/teacher-who-bedded-students-wont-have-to-register-as-sex-offender/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/04/destrehan_teacher_sex_case_2.amp
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:21 AM
2

Hehe....you're a character.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:53 AM
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Flair checks out. I think it's more accurate to say it's.about becoming someone who is good enough to be entitled to women by virtue of their existence. Seems to work, for some, sometimes. Sorry it didn't pan out how you'd hoped.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:43 AM
2

forced to wear an A N
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:21 AM
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I was in a relationship with someone who was pretty clearly BPD. It took me almost a decade to fully recover. I don't really blame her, and I am certainly on one end of the spectrum of how much it affected me (could be I'm also BPD and the experience triggered it in me, who knows?) But the fact is that it can be a traumatizing experience, even when the sufferer isn't outwardly violent or suicidal or that other "loud" stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:11 AM
3

Orange man orange
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 03:31 AM
3

Haha you mean they compromise their boundaries and then soak in misery?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 02:51 AM
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This thread will have better than 100 responses, and each and every single one of those responses Nah like 80% of them
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 02:28 AM
1

Yep. I think that's right. If no one got it, I'm fine not having it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 01:22 AM
6

Reminds me of this great book called Paying for the Party. These sociologists spent time on a girls' dorm floor and studied them. Turns out the rich girls would slut shame the poor/working class girls despite also being slutty themselves. I guess there was some logic to it in a weird way. The rich girls can afford to make many more mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 12:44 AM
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If you get a divorce, what's the difference between divorced coparents and unmarried ones who stop cohabiting? Child support is equally available in each instance. I'm not making any claims just yet. I just think it's an interesting topic to explore further.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 12:32 AM
2

Exactly. It just feels like it would be so empty. Like yelling at a wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 12:30 AM
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I don't want to be pedantic but https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/single-mother A mother who has a dependent child or dependent children and who is widowed, divorced or unmarried
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 12:28 AM
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A married woman cannot, by definition, end up a single mother. Umm....if divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 12:25 AM
1

Man that's upsetting.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 12:22 AM
1

I don't see it that way. Not too many people got to experience her when she was younger/more attractive anyway. Whereas if it's someone younger with a high n count, other people got to experience her when she was younger/more attractive than when I've met her
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 10:06 PM
5

Closed mouths don't get fed
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 09:41 PM
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I am amazed that it has become a taboo to slut shame. I don't see the need to shame people. Just choose your own partners based on your own preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 08:48 PM
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Really don't understand what any guy gets out of catcalling
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 06:24 PM
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Are there delusional women as well? Perhaps but I don't care about that. Why not? It's not like these things happen in isolation. A relationship is between a man and a woman. Of course it matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 05:06 AM
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They can’t get by being masculine so they take the feminist stance and hope a dumb woman falls for it. Just takes one to fall for it I reckon
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 04:49 AM
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But then we must defeat pride and we must say that it is totally great and amazing and real masculinity to have a wonderful family, children who scream dad when you come home, "pick me up dad", It's fakery. Those days are over.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 04:44 AM
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Men only think the top 20% of women exist. Women only think the top 20% of men exist. Everyone wants what's best for them. Everyone thinks the other side is too choosy. People gonna people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 04:33 AM
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Friends, relatives, short term companions. Pets?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 01:43 AM
1

So traditional, conservative women mostly You won't find many independent, free-thinking, liberal women being attracted by it. Promise?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 11:01 PM
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Push a button, only be horny when you want to be. Is that the idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 07:14 PM
1

The guarantee that you will marry itself, for one thing--OP's concern. I assume she sees enough guarantees in it notiwthstanding the divorce rate to make it worthwhile/guarantizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 04:01 PM
6

He could have made a fake ID with his age as 49 and receive the exact same benefit he would from this rigamarole. Except now he's famous for it so it wouldn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 02:19 AM
4

muh health benefits
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 02:19 AM
1

Fair enough. I definitely understand where you're coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 01:58 AM
2

I'm not sure which direction you're headed on this, what I mean to say is I gain the most satisfaction from women being attracted to my body rather than my possessions
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 12:31 AM
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Seen a lot of your posts, and it really strikes me now after reading this how much pain is behind your perspectives. Glad you've been able to rebuild. Living well really is the best revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 11:24 PM
2

Feels so dirty to do it that way. In a country where 70% of adults are overweight or obese, being in shape is a pretty viable and more primal strategy imo
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 10:22 PM
1

but don't act like your doctrine is "the red pill." What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 10:04 PM
2

As someone whose weight has fluctuated quite a bit throughout my life, I can literally pinpoint the exact BMI where I become a viable partner to women. It's 26
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 10:02 PM
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If this were true then there would be no need for marriage to exist as a separate state in the first place. There's no guarantees till there's a ring on it. Generally speaking, I think both men and women are getting worse at enforcing their boundaries out of a fear of being alone, and that state of affairs helps no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 09:59 PM
1

They're mostly virtue signaling and full of shit. It bears noting that not all are. Some really live this bizarre reality of complete acceptance. But it's rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 09:58 PM
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The woman is free to leave too. That's why many of them issue marriage ultimatums or whatever. It's not like women don't know how. Presumably the ones that don't are just fine with however things are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 09:56 PM
1

" It's so obviously a movement for socially handicapped men that it isn't even funny. You don't think they deserve help? The mainstream narrative tells you to ignore that movie shit as fake and exploitative . Even some non socially handicapped men are bound to have trouble dissecting all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 09:55 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 09:51 PM
2

Maybe if life were infinite it would make more sense for more people to try rather than maximize one's own return. As it is it's only worth it to "try", as you suggest, for a small minority more motivated by societal change than personal returns.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 09:47 PM
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All the useful information can be boiled down to "hey there, chief, did you know male gender norms still exist, why have a look at them." In a world where the mainstream message floods us with the opposite conception, I think you're vastly underestimating the importance of something even though it's facially so simple. It's like whoa look at me I saw through all of that shit. Well, some people did not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 09:46 PM
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No I agree with you, being genuinely higher quality is much better. But when you're at zero, if you want to bang women who are less attractive than you are...go for it. is better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 09:39 PM
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LOL. some people don't think the game is worth playing. I don't begrudge them necessarily. It can be easier that way, in a sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 09:33 PM
1

One night stand. How much expectation of reality can there really be on either side of such an experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 09:31 PM
1

How is behaving like you have options lying? Some people try from the jump. Others need a push.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 09:24 PM
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Only if the results we experience of being ourselves are ones were content with, I believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 09:19 PM
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You can't fake the funk. But you can certainly try. Ain't no law against trying. And it can work sometimes. It can even give you access to experiences you wouldn't have had otherwise. And it can thereby fuel real self improvement that makes someone actually a higher quality person . No better motive to pursue success than tasting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 09:18 PM
1

Nah that's what people wrongly assume about women imo. Many of them are fine or will tolerate being alone rather than with a substandard (to them) mate, many more so than men. The problem is that with perception of realistic access to so many alternatives through internet etc. the notion of "substandard" becomes artificially inflated.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 09:12 PM
2

Damn I did not know what that was before clicking the photo but I would have to agree
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 08:55 PM
1

It's easy for high quality people to accept the results of being themselves. Lower quality people must rely on either becoming higher quality people or, either instead or during the process of transforming, emulating the mentality of higher quality people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 08:55 PM
2

I enjoy experiencing a variety of women. Maybe I'm particularly sensitive to it but I really enjoy every experience uniquely. I've never turned a woman down, because you never know what it'll be like till you've been with her. Most of my friends only know bits and pieces of my full history.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 08:44 PM
2

Ah haha yeah theyre not in to the tattoos anymore, that's true
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 08:17 PM
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We are all blank slates who eventually learn the other blank slates will ultimately do what is best for them, especially in the long run, and the failure to do so leaves a blank slate with less women/money/status/whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 08:05 PM
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Haha fair enough. It's anyways hard to emulate truly having options. Doesn't stop people from trying, or other people from writing half baked advice directed towards those people who want to try.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 08:02 PM
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They don't really need a book. It's not "playing games" if you're just doing what is natural to you. "The rules" are just a guide to acting like you have options when you don't. Quality women have options, so they already act like they have options, because that's their reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 07:50 PM
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As I said in an earlier comment, high quality women behave naturally in a way that things like "The Rules" teach. Some lower quality women read this and try to emulate higher quality women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 07:39 PM
2

Very interesting. I guess it's hard to say how all this plays out in terms of gender dynamics. Ratios?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 07:38 PM
2

It's a book from the 80s teaching women things like "wait three days" or whatever. Play hard to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 07:34 PM
2

I think it's been studied that gen z is the most conservative generation of youth in decades. Maybe that's the pendulum swinging. It's a lot easier to learn to start going to the flower store and buy a dinner though than to go in the other direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 07:30 PM
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unless there's somthing that can be done about the women There isn't. At least I can't think of anything. Whatever it would be will take years. Ain't no one got time for that. Just best for me to get mine while I'm still alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 07:29 PM
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Haha it's not my dream because, in my experience, higher quality women tend to play by "the rules" or the rules naturally (or perhaps with a little nudge from guidance).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 07:17 PM
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https://xkcd.com/800/ I just woke up from the most beautiful dream Which was? All the girls who read and follow The Rules and all the guys who swear by the technique in The Game paired with each other and left the rest of us alone forever
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 07:05 PM
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play the very game they take issue with women playing. If you don't play it, you get left behind. Seems pretty rational to me to play it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 06:53 PM
1

People always act in their self interest
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 06:11 PM
4

There's no doubt about that. But the fact that anyone at all is even talking about what's happening gives me hope. Till relatively recently, I thought it was just going to be one long march of "toxic masculinities" and "you go girl"s all the way to the grave.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 01:00 AM
1

Oh I have. But the women who watch it, and believe it.....it's kind of a problem. You idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 11:09 PM
1

Where they're transitioning to stay at home, it's not doing both imo if that's what you're referring to
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 11:07 PM
1

We're all equal, remember? Equally capable ? At least that's what the tv be telling me
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 11:06 PM
1

Men are stronger and more capable than women. But muhhhh equallllityyyy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 11:03 PM
9

I think what's looked down on is the ones who do both.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 10:55 PM
1

Inspiring and simple. I like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 07:47 PM
1

That's a really good point. It is all too easy to go from "this is how it is" to "this how it shall always be".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 07:40 PM
1

Someone's gotta hope for it if anything is to change, I reckon. I'm just not very optimistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 07:36 PM
1

True. But held commonly enough, and it would also be delusional to not expect people to react to said delusion
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 07:31 PM
2

It is an extremely commonly held delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 07:21 PM
1

I'm kind of a path of least resistance kinda guy. If she needs to do all that to see my value, there'll be some other girl who sees my value more readily, and that's who I have time for in today's time-starved world.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 07:17 PM
5

You will always be reliant on other people. Honestly, to pretend otherwise is a massive self-delusion. I can't tell you how many posts I see on ppd not only concluding "women don't need men anymore" but deriding any position to the contrary as some kind of male insecurity. Ok. No one needs anyone. Raise your own baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 07:15 PM
5

Now the boys are waking up and the pendulum is swinging the other way. God I hope so
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 07:14 PM
3

Living in and maintaining a society is.most reliant on mass cooperation/ investment in the existence of a society. Despondent men with no investment in society start spiking up and eventually it starts interfering with society's functioning. Men with nothing to lose have less incentive to honor the social contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 06:53 PM
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People generally don't view their lives in absolutes. Decline feels worse. The wall isn't about whether they "come crawling back". It's about them not realizing how drastically their own options will decline relative to that which they once had.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 06:48 PM
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I wonder if more people are doing this kinda thing now than would've done so before the internet. Like, what would someone selling nude photos online today have done if there was no internet? Would she have not done any kind of sex work? Would she have become a stripper, or gone straight to prostitution?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 03:34 AM
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He got to have sex with you. He didn't put in effort. Hell find another you and do the same. Maybe that will take longer. Maybe in that interim he'll be sleeping with less attractive girls. But if he had you, he'll find another you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 03:01 AM
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This is what they call a race to the bottom. Even if you don't, some other girl will.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 02:38 AM
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They neverthelees got a younger, more attractive version of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 01:02 AM
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So have your turn . The majority of relationships with another person aren't permanent. Doesn't mean they can't be fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 11:41 PM
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Aww! So glad it worked out
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 09:54 PM
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Take it for what it's worth, but in my view niceness is a way of minimizing risk of discomfort or offending others. I think the best solution is to have a healthy acceptance of the risk of discomfort or offending others. Use discretion, of course, but avoiding conflict/discomfort for its own sake isn't worthwhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 09:30 PM
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Wouldn't father's friend be more aligned? Father's boss makes it all kinds of messy...does he get fired if the relationship doesn't work out?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 09:07 PM
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Sure
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 05:26 AM
1

soc it to me
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 04:14 AM
2

:D
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 04:05 AM
3

Aww!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 04:00 AM
2

Gracias
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 03:52 AM
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I do? Here's a fun fact. I basically lived your hypothetical when, in my early 20s, I dated a virgin who was mid 20s. She was the love of my life--the only person worried about whether I'd still be attracted to her when she turned 30 was her. The scenario would play out differently, I'm sure, if she hadn't been a virgin/had had 100 partners. That'd be where "wanting her to look the hottest she ever did" would come into play, and ironically would be a nonstarter, because it would've meant that ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 03:49 AM
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I mean, we're talking about what, 2 babies? 28 year old still has a 7 year runway at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 03:44 AM
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It's too late. A part of what makes youth attractive is sexual inexperience, at least for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 03:41 AM
1

She already gave those other guys her youth
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 03:38 AM
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28 year old virgin. It would be incredible to be someone's introduction to sex who has held out for that long in our orgiastic current year. It's basically like a decade long head start.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 03:37 AM
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When you say "because", is it strictly that factor or just that that's the top one? Like am I just a fuck toy for the 4/10 and just a sugar daddy for the 8/10?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 01:15 AM
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Checked out the article...they all look very comfortable around each other in the photos. Interesting how they're all pretty photogenic in that salt of the earth kinda way. I dunno. Seems fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 12:26 AM
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Totally agree. How do you think women might adapt their strategies if this were more well known? Would they marry/have children earlier in life when they're the same age as these younger men, or would they still wait till they're older but try to marry men younger than them?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 03:55 AM
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Accordingly, it makes it even more important for older men to choose women as young as possible if he wishes to have a child
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 03:47 AM
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Should women be treated less harshly than men for the same bad behaviors and crimes? The Guardian seems to think so. Why we should close women's prisons and treat their crimes more fairly The starting position is that no female offender should be imprisoned. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/01/why-we-should-close-womens-prisons-and-treat-their-crimes-more-fairly
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 12:32 AM
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I think dismissing anything that lacks an extrinsic motivation is how you get a society of mindless consumers all too willing to serve someone else's intrinsic motivation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 08:19 PM
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I would break up with them immediately. No need to tell them that is the reason. Depends on the context. But I'm done at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 07:50 PM
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wanting to father your own children Atavistic God help us all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 07:39 PM
1

Well this has been useless. Enjoy gagging yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 06:49 PM
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Jesus. It was an example. I voted for Trump. Anyway, just ask any of the literally thousands of people, celebrities and employees alike, who have lost their livelihoods because we keep changing the goalposts of what is acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 06:45 PM
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What constitutes being a bag of shit changes pretty quickly. Just ask Hillary. I mean, this I going to be a pretty fruitless discussion because you plainly love your gag and are just appreciative that you have the opportunity to even wear it. Good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 06:28 PM
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Ok I'll bite. Let's start with gag. Post anything on social media that ends up being controversial years later? Bye bye ability to make a living
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 06:25 PM
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Run, don't walk. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 04:36 PM
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It wouldn't really be any different The chains gag and whip Are just metaphorical in current year instead of literal
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 04:32 PM
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Ever occur to you that they actually would if they could, and anonymously claiming that they wouldn't to internet strangers is just a way to take the edge off then profound shame of not having that as an option?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 04:25 PM
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GRINCHSHAMER!!11!!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 04:23 PM
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What's imperfect is the guys that complain about how nature works. Doesn't stop women from complaining about how nature works. It's just as much a part of human nature to complain as whatever else you're referring to. Get the fuck off your high horse already. Or don't. I don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 04:22 PM
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You're the most bad faith debater I've ever seen on Reddit. Blocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 02:33 PM
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Yes, and people raising their kids with little money are struggling and wishing they had more money to support their kid Everyone always wants more money. Did you know 70% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck? Including 25% with incomes over $100,000? And no you don’t know how much it costs to raise a kid and biting my head off wont change that fact. You're really fighting a pointless battle on this one. You don't have to be a parent to know what goods and services cost and what kids require. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 07:49 AM
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Your snarkiness of "no one can know anything without experiecning it" is getting fucking tiresome so just listen for a sec pretty pweease I'm stating a fact. People raise kids on much less money than the middle class feels "comfortable" raising their kids on. Every single day. Those children are children too. They don't all go hungry and suffer. Many of them turn out just fine. I was one of those kids for part of my childhood. It was fine. People are too scared of fucking up. They're kids. They'…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 07:17 AM
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Something about the current economic climate feels unsustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 06:08 AM
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I was definitely open to it. But it's hard man. Finding time to branch out when you're trying to build a career. I mostly regret picking an especially stressful one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 05:12 AM
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People overestimate how much money you need to raise a child. All these guilt tripped must haves pushed by the media for the benefit of our corporate masters are unnecessary. Had I found a partner willing to stay at home, willing to live modestly on the low six figures I was making in my mid 20s alimony would be no issue. Fuck man, it's just money. You're raising my kid. If you're not happy, and you sacrificed your career prospects to help our family, of course you should be protected. That's th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 03:34 AM
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🤣 Btw, while we're on the subject, I wish people realized what an advantage just plain ol not being fat is in a country where 70% of adults are overweight/obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 01:33 AM
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well most men are fat nowadays ...and women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 01:29 AM
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This is the core of why redpill advocates not marrying / as they call it betabuxxing. There's no solution, it's an empty set in which whoever brings more to the table is more likely to win their desired outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 01:15 AM
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The market decides what options are available to her. If she is single and doesn't want to be, she can accept whatever options she has, or she can be alone. That's it. That's life. That's what we all get.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 12:23 AM
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It wasn't clear if you thought it was an unrealistic standard. Plainly you do. Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 12:21 AM
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Not unrealistic? That one standard alone eliminates between 90-97% of men...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 12:18 AM
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I think the concept in question is "disproportionately high". The idea being that some women's standards are inflated beyond what is reasonable for them. The later on they realize this, the less valuable they are, which removes one more potential partner for men of potentially more value who could've been available to said men if they'd more accurately estimated their value. The underlying assumption of course is that a woman would not prefer to be alone rather than compromise inflated standards…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 12:16 AM
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Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 12:06 AM
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The same one you're referencing, in your own comment
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 12:05 AM
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You said Yes, rationalize the choice you've made to succumb to your emotions Are you saying you yourself don't even possess said emotions?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 11:52 PM
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He didn't say men don't have autonomy. He said men must work to preserve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 11:47 PM
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No matter what he intends to do, a woman's mere presence can compel him to change all of that. Yes, rationalize the choice you've made to succumb to your emotions. I think you're misreading this. He's not saying succumb. He's saying man must fight to not succumb. He said can compel.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 11:45 PM
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Just look at how triggered they get when women make more money than men or handle their own shit. Assuming what you say is word for word true... So what?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 11:44 PM
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This sounds like a great business idea--trains men to get there. So as far as the question, even if women raised their standards, it's not like they have calculators to add up the points. I think there would simply be more men available to choose from to meet those standards. The assumption might be that women would wait longer to hold out for an even better option, but I would argue that it'll actually just lead to women pairing off sooner...it's not like they can contemplate the entire market …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 10:20 PM
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Absolutely. People give up on their boundaries way too easily. I just mean that 25% was optimistically low is all haha
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 07:07 PM
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In their 40s they should be called William Beta
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 06:48 PM
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Avoid the shit. The human refuse. Avoid the garbage people who are out to exploit others, avoid the abusers and the greed worshipping people who are still running the eternal treadmill trying to keep up with the Joneses. Especially with the last one, you've eliminated a lot more people from consideration than you may think.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 06:47 PM
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It boggles my mind why anyone would want to be a provider in the archetypal scenario of frigidity. Apparently many men do persist through that. They should not. No one should.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 06:45 PM
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Well that was quite interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 06:19 AM
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Someone who is on the sub would've become redpilled by reading trp, presumably. But psy opaths wouldn't read trp. They're just gonna go and psychopath.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 05:43 AM
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This one, for it is the sum of all the other ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 05:36 AM
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Fair enough.
/r/MensRights23/12/18 04:43 AM
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That's very admirable. I think you should start a subreddit dedicated to discussing how that might be achievable. I mean that with all sincerity.
/r/MensRights23/12/18 04:41 AM
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No one fights for real equality. Everyone fights for what is best for them. I already said that. And it is true.
/r/MensRights23/12/18 04:36 AM
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Haha whoops lost the thread for a sec. Agreed
/r/MensRights23/12/18 04:33 AM
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I guarantee you you will never find a group that genuinely advocates for both. Let me know if you find one that you feel contradicts what I'm saying.
/r/MensRights23/12/18 04:33 AM
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No one interested in women's rights ever asks whether maybe women simy don't prefer being STEM workers. It is presumed that women want a good career. Unless you presume that men want the worst, the solution would be outreach to men. That's certainly been the solution givrn for women. don't you think they need a little help?
/r/MensRights23/12/18 04:32 AM
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I'm following your logic to its conclusion . I'm not endorsing said conclusion.
/r/MensRights23/12/18 04:29 AM
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Is not advocating for women's rights the same as being against women? Because by that logic, feminists not fighting for men's rights are against men.
/r/MensRights23/12/18 04:28 AM
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You can be "pro" both men's and women's rights, you know... That's interesting. I wonder, do you have the same expectation of feminists or r/feminism? Because I can tell you, there is one incontrovertible statistic that proves they could care less about anything like that. 2/3 of college degrees go to women. You know, that prerequisite for living even a modestly decent life. Instead of so much as paying lip service to the idea that men may need a leg up in that regard , they focus on narrowing a…
/r/MensRights23/12/18 04:25 AM
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comes to r/mensrights asks So it's not a sub for people who are pro men's and women's right?
/r/MensRights23/12/18 04:20 AM
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She may be too picky about that and other things. I may not be the right guy for her. I see the irony in what I'm saying, but I'm me, you know? I'd rather strangers on the internet think I'm a hypocrite when I explain my approach than to employ an approach I know will not work for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 12:16 AM
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Yeah. One or two long relationships is probably the ideal. You may say those are rare. But that's ok. I don't need to settle for red flags. I've tried it before. It's not for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 12:06 AM
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But not for the reason you've stated.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 12:00 AM
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if they held out for long stretches, it would be illogical to conclude that they're getting into relationships just for the sex. If they were, they wouldn't be a gap. This is 2018.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 11:49 PM
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Worked for HW
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 11:11 PM
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I think most psychopaths wouldn't need a guide in any case
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 08:07 PM
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Ah interesting, that makes sense. I wonder how the nature of the anonymity of a place like Reddit impacts the expression of the preferences v. how people are in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 07:33 PM
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Haha makes sense...I do find myself agreeing with many of your posts
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 07:30 PM
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Oh I was guessing yours. 2/4, my next guess would be that you're INTJ? Thanks for sharing the test btw...here's how it came out for me INFP Introvert(3%) iNtuitive(28%) Feeling(50%) Perceiving(88%) You have marginal or no preference of Introversion over Extraversion (3%) You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (28%) You have moderate preference of Feeling over Thinking (50%) You have strong preference of Perceiving over Judging (88%)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 07:28 PM
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Flair checks out
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 06:55 PM
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Society pretending otherwise = toxic hypocrisy
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 06:54 PM
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Yeah she was also a quiet one. The funny thing is, I often wish I'd had the understanding of what borderline is that I do now, as I could've probably squeezed out at least a few more years that way. It is a rollercoaster, but I would've ridden it as long as I could.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 06:27 PM
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My guess would be ESTJ
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 05:53 PM
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INFP. It's stayed constant over time (retaking the tests), and fits me pretty darn well imo. How about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 05:53 PM
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Nice
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 05:44 PM
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I think couples where both are working who can afford maid service, should get maid service--particularly if they are arguing over division of labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 05:43 PM
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People don't enforce their boundaries. They give in on things to try to impress/keep their partner. But that shit comes out eventually
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 05:38 PM
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Basically she's more invested in her disorders than she's able to invest in a healthy relationship Under this specification, why would anyone date someone at this stage of her life? A relationship isn't good for her or her partner until she can heal such that she is able to invest
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 03:15 PM
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I did exactly this once. I dated a borderline. She did have a good heart. And she really tried to keep herself under control. The intensity of her emotions made me feel extremely loved, but the nature of borderline meant there were steep drops (and rapid build ups) that made it difficult for me to maintain a grip on reality.. It's like a black box, because there's no way to know if the reactions you're getting (good or bad) are because you did something particularly good or particularly bad, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 03:07 PM
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Haha I mean within the bounds of current geneticsz ya know. I'm not a big eugenics guy. If everyone had equal characteristics people would lose their mind because they couldn't delude themselves of being higher than anyone else in a hierarchy in any meaningful way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 03:36 AM
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6'2", actually. It's easier for me than most, but I still bitch because, well, everyone wants things to be easier. It's no different from "where are all the good men". No one is saying there are zero. They're saying they want it to be easier. Tldr Easy is gooder than less easy
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 03:33 AM
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Definitely. That's one of the things that always tripped me up about trp, actually . If alpha is about best genes and all that, why would it be possible to "pretend" to be alpha and have it work? Your genes are what they are. But I think it's another step removed: even the ability to convincingly pretend to be alpha is, itself , demonstrative of (perhaps a different set of) good genes, since it demonstrates adaptability/ resourcefulness / ability to learn /whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 03:05 AM
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pretending doesn't count Even when facade, don't have to maintain the facade very long toward a given woman in a culture where it's possible to sleep with her soon after meeting her
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 02:55 AM
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That's where my misconception came in....it's that I thought men would be more likely to just be like "yep, I was evil". I gotta say, I was relieved to find out otherwise in reading the responses to this threqd.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 11:47 PM
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If it starts with something like that, that's one thing. But just in isolation talking about journeys and "internal conflicts," arrtrubuting some fake nobility to it....it's just nauseating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 11:33 PM
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You gotta be fucking kidding me. like seriously?! Be a goddamn man at least that much
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 11:31 PM
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My point wasn't about the friends. It's how cheating is justified generally. To me, "internal conflicts" and "journey" sound like someone trying to deliberately make their actions seem like some elevated spiritual decision instead of the base weakness that it always is. it was my presumption that a man would be very unlikely to try to justify themselves that way, that they'd just always be like "I did sex. Sex good. I bad man". But reading through the threads, some responses dezcibed male justif…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 07:15 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 07:08 PM
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I fucking hate women. Happy? They still fuck me doe.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 07:06 PM
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That is what I am referring to as an acceptable justification. Sex is about sex. Its not about profound journeys and internal conflicts. That is just trying to make sound deep something that is base. For either gender to justify it that way is disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 07:03 PM
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One can work on improving their skill at a game and still mock its shitty rules. Not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 06:43 PM
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⭐
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 04:47 PM
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Capital contribution. Grazie.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:53 PM
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Don't they encourage abstaining from sex to avoid rape accusations etc.? Like yeah they're like do whatever you want, but it seems they view having women in your life the same way trp views marriage: do as you wish but not advisable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:37 PM
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What's a drawl discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:35 PM
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I am both discussing the post (see my above comment) and discussing how it's possible that anyone who has an interest in this sub would think it's not worth discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:35 PM
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Of course you are. Your assertion that the post is not worthy of dicsussion is being discussed. To the extent that you feel said discussion is not worthwhile, you are free to not participate in it, just as you are free to participate or not particpate in the underlying discussion, or this subreddit, or reddit generally, or literally anything. Yay freedom etc. Here we see a practical application in the long term of some of the concepts discussed here all the time. That is what makes it interestin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:33 PM
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He's weighing in. This is his perspective on the "pills" and how they apply to his own life. Seems pretty relevant. Whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:24 PM
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This is really interesting. It'd be useful to know the time periods in hour life these things happened...like, when did you transition from corporate to entrepreneur?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:21 PM
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Why do you care what strangers on the internet think in some sort of ideological purity test? Purple Pill Debate
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:20 PM
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It's on topic. How did this post merit sarcastic vitriol?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:19 PM
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It's a sub called purplepilldebate. He's weighing in. This is some sloppy ass gatekeeping you're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:18 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 02:28 PM
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then don't. no one is forcing you to get married. Marriage isn't for everyone. if you can't hack it, don't do it. others find lifelong fulfillment in it - so they will get married. You are free to make whatever decision you want. Obv. Hence it ain't for me men don't try to excuse and justify their failings? of course they do. In general, yes. My perspective is that men are more straightforward in admitting this particular failing. But many of the responses to this thread described some batshit m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 02:25 PM
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What do you think makes some people more prone to clingy behaviour than others? The relative quality of the partners
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:55 PM
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If you have to control yourself not to cheat on your partner then that partner isn't for you. That's what I mean by self control. If the partners not for you....LEAVE. Don't be another pathetic shelll afraid to die alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:52 PM
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Now this is some real shameless, pathetic lying. You are scared of commitment because you have trust issues. I've already experienced it. Intense love and being love, years long relationships. Nothing like this happened, bur it just wasn't worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:51 PM
2

I don't understand why "youth is attractive" is so controversial
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 07:06 AM
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You can't fuck an idea
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 07:05 AM
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It's another lie people tell themselves to numb the existential angst
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 06:35 AM
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If you think only women do this, then you are sheltered and naive. Im not talking about every shitty behavior. I'm talking about one, specific , shitty behavior that has only one true explanation in every case. What on earth...or who raised you to believe that humans--men or women--will act only in accordance to truth? Dude how old are you. Again, I'm not talking about lying generally. I'm talking about specifically prettying up wrongfully indulging in this base desire as anything other than wro…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 06:29 AM
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It defies the nature of truth. This is a shitty behavior where there is just one explanation. "I was weak. I had sex". Anything beyond that is just self aggrandizing ego masturbation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 06:22 AM
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Loads of men justify infidelity with feeling neglected. Seriously, had not ever heard of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 06:01 AM
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Well, I do think there's an ethical difference between a primary plate (assuming that's what we're talking about), who hasn't been promised monogamy, and a person you've promised monogamy to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 05:04 AM
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Ohhh...wow, that was a pretty big blind spot on my part. Makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 04:48 AM
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You know how I know it's BS? They could achieve the same result by just lying about having the sex instead of actually having the sex. That's why I say it's about the sex. Agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 04:44 AM
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I think it is. All the other stuff is just the ego protecting itself from feeling bad, I believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 04:37 AM
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Reading through this thread the last couple hours , I have to admit I was wrong to assume it's a gendered issue. People have dexcubed men offering justifications like "I was trying to teach her witchradt through sex" "I felt unloved" "The cat was meowing too much so I stayed over at a friend's house and it just happened" It's disgusting garbage when either gender does it. What also surprised me is how little many people thought it matters how people justify their misbehavior. I'm just someone wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 04:32 AM
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Get yours, everyone else is. People assume that honesty stands in the way of getting what you want. That just hasn't been my experience. I think people are full of shit because they think they need to be. There's no reason to be for its own sake, after all. But I'm humble enough to know that you're right... I could be wrong about everything. I guess it'll work till it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 04:27 AM
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That's a mistake of theirs in my view . I said nothing about marrying anyone. No one is going to be worth doing that. But it is still possible to have a full, rich, life filled with people who don't bs you. Whenever they do, you don't keep them in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 04:23 AM
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it's fuck you I don't care. I make it a point to only keep the kind of women in my life (and really, the kind of people generally) who will have the balls, so to speak, to say that if it is so, or to say whatever else straightforwardly, good or bad. Life is too short imo to be sugarcoating. I don't need it, I don't want to be around it, and believe it or not you don't need to have a psychiatric diagnosis to conduct yourself that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 04:05 AM
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high status men will say the same shit
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:54 AM
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I've tried it both ways. I'd definitely agree with you if I hadn't. I've felt the most intense love, being loved, all of that. It's just not worth it to me And that's ok. I will leave commitment to the people who need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:53 AM
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If you need to lie about your cheating to keep a girl, you're not high status. You're a bitch. Maybe you should stop inferring about what your betters are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:51 AM
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I mean, and this is just in general, I would vastly prefer being alone to compromising my values. I do not tolerate BS. It is beneath me. Jesus it's like people can't wait to just fuck their boundaries so that they can avoid being alone sometimes. Now that's low status behavior. Of course I wont stop caring. It's a filter for choosing my partners. It's the best damn filter I have.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:48 AM
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It was an assumption I had, that men are always just like "I sexed. Sex feel good. I bad man" The thread has proven me wrong. I've seen some doozies "I felt unloved" "I was trying to help her learn witchcraft" The fuck is wrong with people? Anyway, it's apparently not gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:43 AM
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We've all got our axes to grind. Not everyone understands every other person's axe. I think that's okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:05 AM
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Does something have to be news for people to find it outrageous?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:00 AM
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But with most other things, it's at least plausible that there is some alternative justification. Justifying having sex with another person when you agreed not to is innately self aggrandizement of a base act.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 02:55 AM
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My God I can't even imagine. That is horrific. I hope there have been better days since.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 02:36 AM
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Nah fam
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 02:33 AM
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If they're patient enough, many of them can. People run out of patience pretty fast
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 02:33 AM
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Well, since then I saw some true equivalences. I just didn't think that example was one. Some of the thread responses described men who gave justifications like "Not feeling loved" "Had to sleep over at friend's house because cat was too loud and it just happened" "Was trying to teach her witchcraft through sex" Woman needed a new tennis coach and it just happened lol. Like, Jesus, what the fuck is wrong with people? Anyway, I concede it...it's not gendered in the way I assumed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 02:30 AM
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I've heard all kinds of shitty excuses for cheating. My friend's fiance said he did it because he was "forced" to sleep over at someone else's apartment because their cat was sick and he couldn't stand the meowing through the night. Another friend justified her cheating because her boyfriend didn't want to play tennis anymore, so of course she needed a new tennis partner who just happened to be an attractive single man and...woops! Mostly this is what bothered me, the sniveling, snowflakey excus…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 02:23 AM
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It's a lack of self control both when men and women do it. The ones that admit to it, are least their only crime is cheating. Then ones that do not have then committed another crime of trying to pretend they are better than any of the other people that have broken their commitments, as though there is some possible justification for what is just "I want sex. I had sex."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 02:20 AM
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They definitely do
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:53 AM
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Maybe you're less emotionally reactive than I am? Username would check out?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:53 AM
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Humans didn't evolve for lots of shit we are forced to do when living in a society, and yet we are forced to nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:50 AM
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You could say that about literally any word any person says. Why even speak at all? I'm pretty nihilistic but, you know, gotta keep.some grip on reality mattering.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:49 AM
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The thread has proven me wrong. I've seen some doozies "I felt unloved" "I was trying to help her learn witchcraft" The fuck is wrong with people? Anyway, it's apparently not gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:45 AM
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It's like the person did a bad thing and is trying to act like they are not as bad as they actually are because of a justification that is not based in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:44 AM
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The nature of truth is pretty important to me. That is why I care. Making up bullshit to cover cheating not bothering you, well, ok. It doesn't bother you. Carry on I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:41 AM
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I'm actually leaving the guilt tripping of her friend aside--what bothered me more is these bs attempts to make base lust some profound matter. Because the only correct answer is "I am weak and wanted to have sex". I felt unloved, I was on a journey, I had mental conflicts, these are all shameless lies whether they are uttered by a woman or a man. It shakes the nature of truth itself, and that is why it is disgusting. My assumption was that men would almost uniformly just say "I did sex. I bad m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:40 AM
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I'm actually leaving the guilt tripping of her friend aside--what bothered me more is these bs attempts to make base lust some profound matter. Because the only correct answer is "I am weak and wanted to have sex". I felt unloved, I was on a journey, I had mental conflicts, these are all shameless lies whether they are uttered by a woman or a man. It shakes the nature of truth itself, and that is why it is disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:38 AM
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Man, I guess I was wrong . That's fucking worse. I guess this issue really isn't as gendered as I thought. The conception I had of guys is they will all say "yeah. I wanted fuck. I bad man".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:36 AM
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I'm actually leaving the guilt tripping of her friend aside--what bothered me more is these bs attempts to make base lust some profound matter. Because the only correct answer is "I am weak and wanted to have sex". I felt unloved, I was on a journey, I had mental conflicts, these are all shameless lies whether they are uttered by a woman or a man. It shakes the nature of truth itself, and that is why it is disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:34 AM
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As you said, "there are pussy ass guys out there" . It's a fair point that as a guy I wouldn't necessarily have a window into those moments of pussiness .
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:33 AM
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Enforcrce your boundaries honestly . I think people have a tendency, especially in experiencing love for the first time, to mask their needs and expectations out of fear of damaging what is happening. That won't do anyone any good, because you're just setting both yourself and her up for disappointment later, when you're no longer able to hold back on your needs being met.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:23 AM
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My contention was that men would not stoop to using emotional nonsense to justify this behavior, but at least one person in this thread said they know of a man who justified cheating with "I felt unloved". That is also disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:18 AM
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I'm not talking about apology. I'm talking about justification. Because the only correct answer is "I am weak and wanted to have sex". I felt unloved, I was on a journey, I had mental conflicts, these are all shameless lies whether they are uttered by a woman or a man. It shakes the nature of truth itself, and that is why it is disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:17 AM
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Because the only correct answer is "I am weak and wanted to have sex". I felt unloved, I was on a journey, I had mental conflicts, these are all shameless lies whether they are uttered by a woman or a man. It shakes the nature of truth itself, and that is why it is disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:08 AM
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Did he say he cheated because he was on a journey? Of course it matters how he justifies it!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:04 AM
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I feel exactly the same about a man who says that as a woman who says what was said in OP. I have never heard/read a man justify it that way. Plagues on both their houses.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:03 AM
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No I'm sure people all kinds of people give fake reasons, but those are irrelevant to reality. Those are even more selfish measures of the offender to try to preserve their fragile self image. They don't deserve to preserve. They deserve to bask in how awful they are. Men are a lot better about doing just that when they cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:00 AM
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How? What were the words he used?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 01:00 AM
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Can you genuinely imagine a man offering a justification like this? A man will say "I wanted to fuck so I fucked," not try to make themselves sound better like they're some maharishi on a journey. It's sociopathy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 12:59 AM
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I'm talking about the justification. "Internal conflicts" is a justification for buying a puppy, not for cheating. Wanting to have sex is the only reason for cheating. So, if they admit that, they are being honest in a way this sociopath could never understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 12:58 AM
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You don't get to make it sound better than it is. It's fulfilling your lust. No fake profound justification. That makes you a sociopath.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 12:42 AM
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Of course it matters. It's the difference between taking responsibility that you're doing something wrong and thinking there's some spiritual, profound justification for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 12:41 AM
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Still false equivalence. He admitted he was trying to have his cake and eat it to. He admitted it was about fulfilling his base sex drive. He didn't try to pass it off as some profound journey like some fake eat pray love shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 12:38 AM
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Doesn't matter. I concede to those idiots I'm "evil" to whatever extent necessary to hold them accountable, because I know that holding people accountable is never actually evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 12:34 AM
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The lack of accountability is just mind numbing
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 12:32 AM
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It's about time everyone started holding them accountable. Society is us. It's not that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 12:30 AM
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"internal conflicts" ? "Journey" ? Come on now. Give me a fucking break. False. Equivalence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 12:27 AM
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It's goddamn disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 12:18 AM
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Reminds me of the third debate when the moderator asked Hillary and Trump to say one good thing about each other. Hillary: he has great children Trump: she's a tough sob
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 11:39 PM
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Jesus yes it's not identical, only the first part matched. Still funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 11:03 PM
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It literally only took 2 minutes! https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/a83f16/q4w_if_you_found_the_perfect_guy_for_you_but_he/ec7nqip
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 10:54 PM
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no
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 10:43 PM
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That we can agree on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 10:35 PM
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But your perspective on it, it bears noting, will also he colored by survivorship bias. Let's take a counterexample you might find more relevant It's important to keep tabs on your husband because men are inclined to want sex with multiple partners even while monogamous It could be true. It could be false. But your interpretation of the advice, such as it is, will necessarily be colored by whether or not you yourself have experienced "an act of infidelity by your husband of which you have awaren…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 07:33 PM
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They're intent on persuading women to want to suppress it. Whether they suppress it or not is up to them This is what I want. Take it or leave it. Women generally, and women specifically, are free to take it or leave it. That's the beauty of living in a free society.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 07:30 PM
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"take" meaning follow? If it made sense to me. I would take anyone's advice that makes sense to me. I don't trust anyone's advice at face value (e.g. happily married, sadly married ,not married) because I am not them. So, I listen to an argument, and I apply it to my own emotional world, and I keep what makes sense and discard what doesn't I'm sure there are better ways to do it, and worse ways, but that's my way, and I don't think I'm alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 06:39 PM
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That saying "you can learn as much from failure as from success", survivorship bias , larger sample size likely to have more general applicability, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 06:19 PM
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In the interest of maintaining decorum, I'm going to say people who struggle with relationships. I think you're looking for r/relationships. Get off this board.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 06:01 PM
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If women have agency, then manipulation is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 05:58 PM
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And again, if women and sex are "free", then wtf are you doing wasting time on this board? Ok, why don't you tell me who this board is for? I'm not sure how the perspective of don't marry is inapplicable, because it is a board called purplepilldebate. One of those pills is the redpill, which, like me, discourages marrying. Except sex is actually harder to get now than it was before - hence why there's less sex of it happening There's less sex happening because when everyone was getting married e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 05:53 PM
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None of this sounds like depriving anyone of their right to agency, though. Preferring/encouraging women's agency to be used a certain way is not the same as denying it. If anything, it is acknowledging it, since if the assumption were that women didn't have agency, there would be no need to make the calls (for submission etc.) in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 05:38 PM
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What kind of agency-reducing solutions have you heard?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 05:20 PM
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This could only be said by someone who hasn't experienced how overpowering it is to have the sex drive of a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 04:22 PM
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But then I go to work and hear so much of the same things from the men. Maybe it's worth exploring why that is instead of dismissing it as crazy. believemen
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 03:56 PM
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Lol. Ironically, I think that's where your misunderstanding of what I said is coming from. You were referring to OP's post as "sell me on women". But OP's post was not about women generally. It was about marriage. Which is why I said "you can't sell what is free.'" There is no point in getting married when you can have sex without it. That is what I am saying. What I am saying is a relevant viewpoint on this sub. Actually, even MGTOW is a relevant viewpoint on this sub. But it is not my viewpoin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 03:53 PM
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I really don't understand what you're on about. Let me know if you find yourself a point to make
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 03:45 PM
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Because it is about gender dynamics. I didn't know this was a board that presumes finding marriage to not be a worthless sham.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 03:44 PM
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Responding to other people's comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 03:42 PM
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unmarried or single people giving unhappily married people If the only people with the authority to have an opinion on marriage are happily married people, there's probably not too many people. How's that high horse?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 03:42 PM
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Responding to your comment
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 03:40 PM
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You can't sell what is already free
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 03:39 PM
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I can't. But maybe someone else can. If what you're saying is "it would be illegal even if it's impossible to.prove", well, ok. Prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 03:35 PM
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Im open to the idea that there might be a way of doing it. There are a lot of things you "can't" do, that you actually can if you have a strategy. Like asset protection for the rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 03:29 PM
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How would you be able to buy a significant amount of Bitcoin in person? I guess it's possible...maybe buy it from multiple people in small chunks. Above a certain net worth you could always go the 1 percenter route and put the money in an offshore company with dummy directors like in the Panama papers. If I could have a guaranteed way to protect my money from women, I wouldn't mind marrying. The only thing that keeps me on the fence about getting married is the possibility of getting divorce rap…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 06:18 AM
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But the money would have to go somewhere right? Like, there would be a transaction where the money leaves your bank and you would have to account for it to the court. I want this to work! Maybe I'm missing something.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 06:08 AM
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In a divorce you have to provide bank statements. I would think that would be where the jig is up?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 05:59 AM
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st people are not well adjusted. So by definition, yours is not a strategy for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 01:04 AM
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Divorce. But avoid marriage, and you never have to face either hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 08:26 PM
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That would be pretty horrifying
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 05:22 PM
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I'm not sure I follow
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 05:20 PM
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Any man worth his salt can keep a relationship from falling apart. The responsibility should not solely the mans but unfortunately due to the nature of women it is. Sounds like I'm.hearing naivete. Long term relationships have lasted through the ages Those were different times when there were social and legal.mechanisms designed to keep people together. Those are gone. All that's left is human fickleness. Go ahead and bet your children's stability on that. Let me know when you realize how stupid…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 09:39 AM
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You were responding to a point about marriage anyway, the odds are that will not last very long even if you want it to (coinflip at best, whether married or just cohabiting). Much better for children's well being to plan on being coparents living separately in advance than to start off together and then separate and bat the kid back and forth like a shuttlecock randomly under duress of a court order.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 09:12 AM
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You simply don't get married and continue getting different girls and discard ones that don't provide for you what you want Life is not about sex. It is about having children. This is not an "Alpha" choice in my opinion. Can still have children without marrying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 09:01 AM
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You simply don't get married and continue getting different girls and discard ones that don't provide for you what you want Occam's Razor
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 08:44 AM
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I dunno
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 07:03 AM
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But those are phenotypes driven by the central desire to make the person a person of their gender so they can find a mate and perpetuate the species. Those expressions being replaced by some other expressions is just moving water around. It's the same ultimate goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 07:00 AM
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You can pump them full of contrary hormones. People create society, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 06:57 AM
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I swear. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 04:47 AM
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So what? Men like to be depended on. Sue them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 03:41 AM
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Doesn't need to work for every girl, just for some. Women are better at intuiting "bat eyes" coin plus "seductive voice" coin = commitment or sex or whatever. Some guys need an instruction manual that makes it math. Who cares? Seriously, who cares? If it works, it works. And if it doesn't work, no one will be using it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 02:39 AM
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I am?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 02:01 AM
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Maybe your dad and Rihanna are both right, and we all do shitty things in our own self interest and justify them through mental gymnastics?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 10:09 PM
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They seemed obvious, like rain. But ok. It's so obvious that "dating" refers to To what? seeking traditional Which tradition? Marriage? (exclusive/monogamous) relationships Oh, so not necessarily marriage. So there's a tradition of monogamy that wasn't marriage. When? which lead to marriage Oh, phew, we're talking about marriage. Ok, great. I thought maybe there were some contradictions or often function just like a marriage without the legal paperwork Which one is it? Because with the first one…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 08:58 PM
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Even your own explanation is rife with contradictions. No one is confused about rain.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 08:52 PM
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What's insane about expecting people to act reasonably?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 08:46 PM
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It didn't lose its meaning. It never had a defined meaning in the first place. The only thing that did is marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 08:45 PM
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I mean it's one thing to know better. But when society tells you nonstop that gender roles don't matter, and your wife tells you gender roles don't matter...I guess they were the guinea pigs to disprove these absurdities
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 08:38 PM
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lottery What are you on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 08:27 PM
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If there's no ring on it, you're playing the lottery.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 08:20 PM
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I think it would make everything a lot clearer if they were just called "nice" guys
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 08:20 PM
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It has to do with the scenario playing out practically than with religion. The man stays at home presumably after the woman telling him "fuck gender roles!!!111!!" and then loses attraction to him because what she said was clearly untrue. It's goddamn fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 08:12 PM
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No matter what they say This isn't obvious . It's a shame that believing someone when they say "gender roles don't matter" is naivete, but clearly it is naivete.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 08:10 PM
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No, I do not. I think they are the opposite of golddiggers. But hypocritical environments like our "equality" regime, by their very nature, lead to wrong conclusions like "SAHMs are golddiggers" and stay at home dads being left emasculated (and then left altogether) by women who supposedly bought into the equality gobbeldygook narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 07:39 PM
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No they weren’t. Men call stay at home moms gold diggers constantly. Because we're all supposedly "equal" now. You can't give all the responsibility and none of the respect. I mean that's what women always want, but what I mean is that isn't actually a way for the world to function.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 07:36 PM
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Men did not want equality. Men were perfectly fine with women staying at home, instead of being tricked into thinking the woman sees him as an equal even if he stays at home. Women wanted equality. And when it actually operates, they pull this garbage. It's like grabbing someone's hand, using to punch them in the face, and then saying "haha you punched yourself" Goddamn disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 07:32 PM
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Start not giving a shit about what the media tells you how you should act around people and just figure it out. "Ignore the media" is a fine principle, but even if you ignore it individually, many people do not, shaping our environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 07:23 PM
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At least in my case, I didn't lie. I was misunderstood to be better in certain ways than I actually was. Surely that's not a rare thing happening. You might say that not outright admitting once I realized it was a lie by omission. But I don't think it's particularly common for people to come out and say "nope you're wrong I'm actually pretty selfish".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 07:09 PM
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The difference here is that the women are losing attraction specifically because the man stayed at home, presumably after she spouted some egalitarian nonsense to achieve that arrangement in the first place. It's the ultimate bait and switch.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 05:31 PM
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Men on Reddit believe it’s not just acceptable. They believe it indicates alphahood and strength to leave your wife for an upgraded model. Therefore, why should I care if the genders are flipped? Because in this case the women's attraction declined specifically because the men stayed at home, presumably after spouting a bunch of egalitarian nonsense to deceive him into doing so (deceive because certainly he wouldn't have done it if he knew it would make her less attracted to him).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 05:30 PM
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The difference here is that the women are losing attraction specifically because the men are stay-at-home. Some things just don't transfer because biology, as much as the elite like to make us all think otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 05:28 PM
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unironically proves the point of the thread
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 05:23 PM
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Haha it's like she said the quiet part out loud... Women embracing sexuality = empowerment Men embracing sexuality = unethical
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 10:01 AM
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Anywhere from immediately to never
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 09:25 AM
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Burn baby burn
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 08:59 AM
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I was in a relationship once where I knew in advance that what you're describing would happen. I was crazy in love with this girl, and I'd somehow given her this really inflated impression of me... Not intentionally. She just came to think certain things about me I knew weren't true. (mature, selfless etc.) I was really conflicted. Do I tell her "no, you've got me all wrong"? Or do I try to make myself better to match her perception of me? I went the second route, but it was torture. I just wasn…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 07:08 AM
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The year was 2081, and everybody was finally equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 06:43 AM
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This is unsolvable. Schroedinger's flirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 06:11 AM
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I know well enough now you've got a good point to make, but what is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 05:16 AM
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I bet you won't commit to the first women that fucks you. I'm not talking about myself. I've had plenty of opportunities, and I've slept with all of them. I've literally never turned anyone down. So what did I do that's unethical in sleeping with these women, some of whom I committed to and some I did not? Not committing to all of them? When did I agree to do that? Upon orgasm? Anyways, what I'm talking about is specifically the men not as fortunate . I know many men who have had no one to turn …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 05:13 AM
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They exist in droves for men but not women. Why? Why Because fewer women have to deal with the endless shame of no one wanting to sleep with them. kill themselves and others because they can't get blond sorority thots. No, because they can't get anyone to sleep with them. Why are men so delusional about this? It's so obviously true that men want casual sex with hot women a million times more than women give a fuck about having sex with a hot guy. Most men would be happy to have sex with just abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 04:53 AM
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Both are unrepresentative samples. In fact, a pua/bodybuilding form isn't even a good sample of high n count men, much less men generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 04:32 AM
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I am this way. My reckoning came when I got bpd'ed by a girl with more intense bpd. It was like looking a mirror, seeing what I had been doing to other people being done to me. Would not recommend.
/r/TheRedPill18/12/18 02:39 AM
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That whole Louis CK thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 02:16 AM
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I would argue that mail order bride are definitionally exploited for their poverty (you don't see wealthy women mail order briding), while some prostitutes are not poverty-exploited (some women who are prostitutes are financially comfortable, definitely more in number than mail order brides)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 02:06 AM
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That response was a response to another user who said that men prefer lower n count women. My response was that preference is irrelevant to the question of whether men pursuing high n count is less ethical than a woman doing so
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 01:39 AM
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yeah. and women are more and more choosing not to settle and prefer a life of flings, friends, family, career and hobbies. It seems to me that for men who truly don't want to be settled for, and women who truly don't want to settle, it's a pretty good time to be alive. so let things go and let people live their lives. Aren't you doing the opposite by criticizing the advice tweet? Yes, there are reasons the advice may be flawed, but in what way is this tweet any different from a tweet that said "…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 01:19 AM
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I mean, I don't know what else to say. It's all about being a man who is truly desired by women instead of being a settled for provider. I can tell you that I surely don't want to be a man who a woman pretends to desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 01:11 AM
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not a convincing response regarding a subreddit whose reason for existing is to complain about AF/BB and the effect of women settling for men they aren't attracted to. Have you read much of it? If it's obsessed with anything, it's with not becoming the man who is settled for/the BB
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 01:04 AM
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no, TRP is obsessed. I know you are but what am I
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 12:58 AM
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Anyone who is criticizing this advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 12:56 AM
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women that don't want to settle, make a lot of people obsessed over their personal choices. Women that want to settle apparently make a different set of a lot of people obsessed over their personal choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 12:55 AM
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She's a woman. She understands that the advice is geared toward the family oriented. That's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 12:41 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/a70p2w/feminists_dont_seem_like_to_like_this_womans/ec051ie
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 12:30 AM
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She's saying 20s, you're saying late 20s (to mid 30s). Isnt the relevant counterexample women who wait till mid to late 30s? Even if high quality men don't marry the most beautiful woman they've dated, they certainly factor in beauty, and by that logic the "not pretty woman" she's talking about could very well be more likely to be chosen by a high quality man if she leans toward settling down in her late 20s rather than measurably later, when her looks are less looky.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 12:28 AM
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Or by mutual agreement. You know, two grown adults making a decision for their family.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 12:02 AM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 12:02 AM
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better not to rush into things. that's uncontested. you want people to be happy don't you? so they shouldn't marry young. Wasn't she talking about mid to late 20s? The statistics show the benefit to not divorcing in waiting beyond that point is pretty marginal. Accordingly, the women to whom marriage is important should consider not putting it off after that age. Seems pretty simple and straightforward , but feel free to read all the oppression and male insecurity into it that you wish.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 11:57 PM
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I wasn't saying Caucasian men receive affirmative action, but rather that Asians are dinged more relative to other minorities than whites are relative to minorities. Asians are the biggest losers in the oppression Olympics.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 11:51 PM
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i guess i should have read the replies to my post as calm and apathetic Ok. They're mad too. But how is the writer of the tweet mad? my mistake, you were also completely calm with the "you people" I didn't say I'm not mad about anything. It does make me mad that this kind of advice, from a woman, is met by other women with "but I don't need marriage!!11!". So the ones who feel they do, and are looking for advice, don't deserve advice? and fantasies of women dying alone simply because they don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 11:39 PM
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But the average takes into account both men and women...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 11:31 PM
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she's one of the people obsessed with women realizing that there's more to life than marriage. especially marriage to someone you don't want She's a woman. Her perspective is a perspective of a woman. There are other women who share her perspective. That's who the advice is for. women don't need men. that train has left the station and it ain't coming back. people may as well accept it. getting mad over what other people are doing in their personal lives isn't productive or healthy. She's not ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 11:17 PM
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Women also brag and you know it. They don't rank their lays in order of hotness Already forgot about Karen Owen? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ledger-enquirer.com/latest-news/article29159044.htm And she's only one that got famous for ranking. Your shameless hyprocisy makes me sick.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 11:14 PM
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Asians still receive Affirmative Action in private universities, Like how a white person can get an SAT score 100 points less than an Asian for admission to Harvard?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 11:11 PM
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you might claim that they're unhappy but clearly, if they were they'd do something about it. instead, they stay single and invest in themselves, their careers and their relationships with friends and family. And if that makes them happy, whoever that is enough for, they're not who the tweet is addressed to. Why does every specific observation have to be made a universal referendum by you people?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 11:05 PM
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But the proposition I was responding to is that high n count men are morally worse than high n count women...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 10:53 PM
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E.g.: only caucasian men don't receive Affirmative Action university admissions, Don't forget about Asian men, who receive an admissions penalty even relative to Caucasian men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 10:52 PM
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You do realize how patronizing this is to women who choose to be stay at home moms, don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 10:51 PM
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and judge a woman's worth by how hot she is. And women don't judge their short term flings by how hot he is? Please.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 10:46 PM
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if they preferred being with some random guy not worth being with as opposed to being by themselves then they would. The point being made is that some women may not be thinking ahead to when their looks (which, on the whole, grant a woman more power to choose a mate than when they have looks that aren't as good)aren't as good. Time only moves in one direction, and some people aren't forward thinking. these women don't want to settle. and they don't have to. some people get really agitated by tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 10:44 PM
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Is it fair to say that even people who haven't been in that situation can reasonably want to avoid it (even if that means avoiding such enduring arrangements altogether), regardless of whatever love benefit a deadbedroom may provide to some of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 08:50 PM
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TRP aims to avoid people arriving at a situation of love/whatever you want to call it in a deadbedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 08:18 PM
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TRP here seems to fail at the end game, love. Love is an actual thing, and it changes the rules of the game to a great extent. If anyone doesn't think its real go to DB and see how it keeps people in relationships where sex hasn't happened in ages, and not just women not putting out but men with frustrated women. A dead bedroom is captivity, not love. Seems to me your vision of a winning endgame could use some work.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 07:57 PM
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except you are in the upper-middle class. Make it there. Woman stays at home and takes care of the children. Questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 07:48 PM
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I don't think there's any real agreement on the parameters of toxic masculinity, but surely sexism is universally seen as an example among anyone who thinks that toxic masculinity is an undesirable thing? Gul and Kupfer conducted several separate experiments, showing that their results did replicate in different samples and using different methods (an important strategy in today’s replication crisis), and that the effect was apparent both potential mates, AND in work colleagues. Even in men who …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 07:20 PM
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Some women prefer being alone than being with the wrong guy Is it any way possible that the tweet's intended audience was those other women who don't feel that way? I mean, isn't it obvious? "Nah I don't care I'd rather die alone than lower my standards." "Then die alone."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 06:53 PM
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That's racist
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 06:44 PM
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In no culture ever studied have women repeatedly preferred to mate with pear-shaped, low-status, tepid men possessing high-pitched, nasal voices. In no documented culture do women’s sexual fantasies revolve around granting sexual access to unemployed, unambitious men who occupy the lowest stratum of the social hierarchy. Instead, women are attracted to “toxic masculine” male phenotypes that correlate with testosterone, and they are desirous of men who are socially dominant, who are strategically…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 06:41 PM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 08:28 AM
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Eww
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 08:18 AM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 02:24 AM
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How is a consensual interaction taking advantage of anyone? Your perspective denies these women agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 02:00 AM
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Does it surprise you that a subreddit about debating the nature of relationships and gender would disproportionately draw people with heated opinions about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 01:34 AM
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Conversely, it's also perfect for the guy, because a woman who imposes these is probably not looking for something casual despite being on goddamn tinder. Now that's mutually beneficial filtering.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 01:23 AM
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Oh I'm not saying it's "wrong". I'm saying that it's just easier to go for the women who don't need them, who you're giving kudos to. It's not wrong though. But it is easier for someone who brings more to the table (e.g. more attractive) to demand patience from the guy in terms of going through a slow playing or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 01:17 AM
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Which they quite clearly are, There's your assumption. Have a nice day kiddo.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:57 AM
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You're implying that they are in denial about saying that they're not putting pussy on a pedestal
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:46 AM
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Doubt it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:37 AM
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I don't get it. Why.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:36 AM
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Also TRP: "It doesn't matter that he burned all chances at an actual relationship, he got random pussy so he wins. Also, I'm the one not putting pussy on a pedestal...no really..."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:26 AM
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If immediate interest is what you like, move on when a girl doesn't show immediate interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:23 AM
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You're also making assumptions about others' lives that serve your argument. That's how this goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:17 AM
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A contentment based on ignoring reality is a false contentment
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:12 AM
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Whatever. Enjoy sacrificing your best interest so others can advance theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:09 AM
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Again, if you're not investing, it doesn't matter. Looking at your posts, you're pretty clearly the crab.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:08 AM
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She can't even ask the court for child support if she doesn't know who you are (e.g., your last name, etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:06 AM
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Paternity uncertainty matters only if you invest paternally. It doesn't matter if you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:04 AM
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gone for years without being in a relationship That's the same red flag that is triggered by tons of casual sex. The only difference is one fills the gap with strangers, and the other wouldn't be fulfilled by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 11:53 PM
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How are those things inconsistent? The goal is advancing one's self interest. If it's not illegal, it's fair game.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 11:50 PM
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What this amounts to is that whoever has the most to offer will be more likely to get what they want, on their terms... no? It may be impossible for you, but there are some women for whom it isn't impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 11:35 PM
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Not necessarily . It's possible that a girl has a high sex drive that she chooses to satisfy only in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 09:59 PM
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Ok, I suppose that makes sense. But it's also possible to express these feelings without being derogatory (though I would certainly agree with the observation that many are derogatory about it). For example, the way I would put it is "it's just fine for men to sleep with other men. I just don't prefer to sleep with men." "It's just fine for women to sleep with as many men as they wish . I just don't prefer to be in long term relationships with women who sleep with many men."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 09:42 PM
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Do you think bonobos have had a revolution in parenting since then?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 09:31 PM
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Be straightforward. God I can't stand passive-aggression.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 09:11 PM
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I think culture plays a role in this. There are exceptions, but on the whole, this happens less within more family-oriented cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 09:09 PM
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The tldr
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 09:05 PM
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Got it. That makes your position somewhat more tenable in my view. However, the difference between race-based preference and number of partners-based preference is that the latter is a choice. Calling public discussion of preferences based on the choice of another inappropriate is a slippery slope, in that it would subsume basically any preference based on another's choice as inappropriate for discussion, and would make a subreddit like PPD fairly untenable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 09:02 PM
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Who says I'm not comprehending that? Of course I comprehend that many women find that necessary.. But, in my experience, not all women find it necessary. Those are the ones that best align with my goal. What's so hard to comprehend about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:57 PM
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And then what
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:55 PM
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be with a woman Its tinder. I'm just there to fuck her, not to "be with her".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:54 PM
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It's public discussion of a private concern. Talking about it publicly, and talking about the factors that lead to a person coming down where they do on said concern, doesn't convert the nature of the concern itself to a public one.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:53 PM
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But mostly, you can have a million flaws intellectually and emotionally and guys just won't care about it, until they actually have to deal with it. If you're a guy looking for short term arrangements, you won't have to deal with. You just move on when something like that raises its head.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:39 PM
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But how do you expect a brand of people to go against their shallow ways - no matter if you are in the "80%" or "20%"? I don't think he's saying he expects them to. He's saying it might be a better strategy for them. One's shallowness should correspond with what they themselves bring to the table in order to be an effective strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:36 PM
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You shouldn’t be mad a woman doesn’t magically trust you, you should be glad she’s smart enough to take the time. Or just stick to women who "magically trust you." Such women plainly exist, and there's nothing unethical about choosing them. In today's hectic world, ain't no one got time for waiting when you don't have to wait. Even the getting mad....you're basically getting mad at a stranger. Who cares? Really, who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:33 PM
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in at least a year Haha but they did at some point. So what...the well is now exhausted. Time for tinder, or whatever other non-work option. Sure he'll still complain about it, because the more options the better, but that doesn't mean he's "going without" as a general matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:22 PM
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Sure he got sex. Did he get love though? Maybe he doesn't want it at that time? I know someone like this, was a player in his 20s and 30s and now is in his 50s, no wife, no kids, and since he isn’t hot anymore, no sex. Any day he chooses, he can put on a nice face (personality wise) and have a companion. And still have the memories of tons of casual sex over the years. It's far easier to go in that direction than the reverse (fall in love, become comfortable with monogamy, doesn't work out, have…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:00 PM
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But the contexts are different enough for the logic to not carry over in any meaningful way. "The heart wants what it wants" is an idiom referring specifically to mate choice, not a generalized get out of jail free card for abandoning logic. "I won't sell my cakes to blacks. The heart wants what it wants." Doesn't make any sense (well, I'm sure you'll argue it does make as much sense as in the mate picking context . I don't have any response to that argument.) The expression itself is pretty cle…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 07:55 PM
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The virgin
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 07:47 PM
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By which time it doesn't really matter, at least if we're talking about a guy. He got what he wanted, and he can just move on to another one.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 07:46 PM
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It's relevant because what we're all discussing is the assertion in the OP, that personality ugliness "comes out eventually', in short. As long as "he got pussy", in other words, the bad parts of his personality coming out later is pretty inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. He can just move on to someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 07:42 PM
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How is it relevant that there are other things too? Sex can also be a thing without it being implied that it is the only thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 07:40 PM
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So I keep hearing about how looks matter and they do- initially. For the kind of person you're envisioning (guys, at least) , stringing together one night/super short term arrangements is probably more than enough, if not ideal!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 07:38 PM
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Reflect to whom? It's not like women he works with are the only ones available to him. We have the tinders now and whatnot. No need to deal with messiness of reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 07:26 PM
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Well, as long as some of them are sleeping with him...still counts!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 07:20 PM
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Because of the promiscuous mating behavior of female bonobos, there is a great deal of paternal uncertainty. If a male cannot be sure which offspring are his, he is less likely to invest any time or energy caring for them. It is because of this lack of certainty that the entirety of parental care in bonobos is assumed by the mothers (de Waal 1997). http://pin.primate.wisc.edu/factsheets/entry/bonobo/behav
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 06:07 PM
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Who do you think is doing the former? It seems pretty clear to me that the latter is what is actually happening, and if anything the former is mistakenly perceived from that out of insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 06:05 PM
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So in what other way could you possibly associate "the heart wants what it wants" to "racism" than by race-based heart preferences?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 07:27 AM
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You could make the same argument for racism based on xenophobic disgust. I presume then you would characterize women with racial preferences for mates as xenophobic/racist?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 07:23 AM
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highly speculative http://pin.primate.wisc.edu/factsheets/entry/bonobo/behav Because of the promiscuous mating behavior of female bonobos, there is a great deal of paternal uncertainty. If a male cannot be sure which offspring are his, he is less likely to invest any time or energy caring for them. It is because of this lack of certainty that the entirety of parental care in bonobos is assumed by the mothers (de Waal 1997) That's a completely atavistic concern given modern genetics What, exactly…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 07:01 AM
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Dat cognitive dissonance
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 06:51 AM
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Nah...I've no interest in anyone pretending to desire me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 06:49 AM
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Kinda sad the lengths people will go to out of irrationally fearing dying alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 06:41 AM
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Ah got it. No exploitation intended--i quoted it the way I understood it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 06:35 AM
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Did you know that somehow women like the guy who sees the truth? What's the highest correlation for having children? Oh yeah it's the guy whose been to jail. Why did he go to jail? My God he must have broken the law. What a bad bad man. Why do the women like "bad men"? When good boys, nice guys, who do what they are told, are all around? I feel you. Stop acting like it is something it isn't. You're right. All of it is a farce. It's not just limited to this specific topic. And it does no one any …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 06:32 AM
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Shaming people into believing something different seems like a shitty way to expand one's dating pool, I reckon. It's one step removed from "you won't date transexuals? TRANSPHOBE!" Then again, maybe the point is to shame other men, who are on the fence, into not using n count as criteria? "Tell them what you saw here"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 06:15 AM
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There is absolutely no shame in being in poverty. But being put there because of a woman, in a society that proclaims men and women to be equal, is a farce... A satire....A disgrace...perpetrated by that society.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 06:06 AM
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Historically, it was. Not that it should be now, but it is in no way unprecedented.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 05:54 AM
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Pump the breaks there chief my wanting chaste women isn't destroying anything, much less society.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 05:52 AM
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They can even also just date those men who are comfortable with their numerous sexual history. Doesn't make sense for them to be harping on men who prefer otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 05:47 AM
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Our closest relatives in the animal kingdom (bonobos, chimpanzees); those species don't care about promiscuity but they also have no paternal investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 05:45 AM
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The problem arises when you use your personal preference to control other people. What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 05:43 AM
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OP is referring I think specifically to people who responded that way. I've seen it pretty often on here; but at any rate whoever does resort to that kind of response is pretty clearly insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 05:21 AM
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stating their opinion humbly is not being insecure. "You wouldn't date a woman just because she's slept with a hundred guys? You jealous misogynistic manbaby!" Not really humble, if that's what you're referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 05:18 AM
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So break up with her and try to find someone else. Sure, mayyyybe they won't ever find someone else. But the fact is that a man must accept the possibility of being alone to ever truly be in control of his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 05:12 AM
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cirrrcllleeee offff liiiiifeeeee
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 05:04 AM
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I don't think being overly optimistic about marriage is a gender-specific issue. Wouldn't it be equally valid to say "if men are so scared of dead bedrooms or divorce rape why do they get married?" Simple: because people assume the bad thing won't happen to them. That's why 5% of married couples have prenups but 10 times that end in divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 04:58 AM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 04:46 AM
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on a public forum with one side of this debate devoted to spreading the ideology, but it's plainly hollow. But there is nothing unique to RP about this preference. In other words, there are non-RP men, both on this subreddit and in the real world, who A. Harbor a preference for women with few sexual partners and B. Face accusations of being jealous/childish for harboring that preference upon disclosing it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 04:42 AM
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fleshy prize
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 04:37 AM
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most high n count women lie. If the guy doesn't care, it's irrelevant anyway. If the guy does care, it'll show sooner or later, and it takes a real piece of work to stay with someone who would be disgusted by the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 04:33 AM
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If it were untrue, rather than characterizing the holders of the opinion as "jealous manbabies", the focus would be on the right of the individual to have autonomy in pursuing sexytimes , rather than ad hominem attacks on the holders of the opposite opinions. It's more than reasonable to infer that emotional, attacking responses to opinions on topics this personal stem from insecurity. Maybe it will be more clear if I contrast this topic with topics where illogical responses would not imply inse…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 04:31 AM
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any time someone provokes anything other than formal logic I pointed to the specific contextual reasons that I feel make it so in this case, meaning that I do not believe this is so "any time". You can disagree with them my reasons but at least give them a read first.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 04:23 AM
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If it were untrue, rather than characterizing the holders of the opinion as "jealous manbabies", the focus would be on the right of the individual to have autonomy in pursuing sexytimes , rather than ad hominem attacks on the holders of the opposite opinions. It's more than reasonable to infer that emotional, attacking responses to opinions on topics this personal stem from insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 04:14 AM
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There are plenty of good reasons for this, Such as the fact that humans' relatively high paternal investment makes paternity uncertainty very costly for human males, since you could be investing in offspring that aren't your own Meaning the insecurity itself is an expected, self-protective response. And since women benefit from being able to deceive partners of paternity, women hating men hating high n count is also expected and self-protective. We're all just dirty animals trying to do what's b…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 04:07 AM
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So then why would the reward be worth pursuing? I would think it would be worth pursuing only if there had been some clear advantage to dating a high n-count partner that would make it worth ignoring the data that is available.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 11:40 PM
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I'd never base my relationships of data I felt was incomplete, which any social study absolutely is. Why take the risk? I haven't seen any studies showing that a woman having more partners is better for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 09:11 PM
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Is it possible that discomfort is a primary, but not sole, reason for the preference in some cases? If you drag the logic out far enough, even the studies being the sole reason would constitute insecurity: namely, about your partner being an example of the statistic, and thereby bad things happening to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 09:04 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 05:51 AM
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thottery
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 03:24 AM
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I dunno man. I watched the entire video and she seemed relatively fair and balanced about the issues she portrayed, including equating incels with feminism/fat acceptance. She certainly left out sperm banks and the existential horror of knowing that one is a genetic dead end, but there is definitely far more hateful coverage of these issues out there in the world
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 03:18 AM
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Pretty often. And that is what I see happening . Maybe you normally go to different/more expensive clubs? I definitely see this kind of dancing much more rarely in Vegas style / house music type clubs. Those tend to be more like concerts where everyone is facing the stage or in a circle and like jumping up and down. Or maybe there's some other kind of club?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 08:19 PM
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Makes sense. I think not seeing it as "lifelong partnership or bust", but rather "it's still worth it even if it's non-lifetime" is the way to go. In other words, marriage is a long term partnership but not necessarily a lifetime one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 08:14 PM
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provided that both people are of sound character and took the time to choose someone else of sound character as well. Let me know if you figure out a way to determine whether someone is of sound enough character to fight through the doldrums of a lifelong commitment before actually having to fight through it. As far as I can tell, this is not possible. Which is why all those legal and social safeguards previously existed. (Basically impossible to get a divorce, divorce stigmatized, etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 07:57 PM
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Haha makes sense to me. How is this not more of a thing? (If we're going to be monogamous, no going to clubs without each other).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 07:10 PM
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Like, of old age?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 06:30 PM
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every single man who's ever gotten married thought it would benefit him in some way In my view, this is the most important facet: that men go into marriage informed. I think the benefit some men get is that "everyone else I know is doing it, and since everyone also used to do it, how bad could it be?" Or the benefit aspired to may even be "the woman I'm with is not going to be with me much longer unless I marry her because everyone she knows is getting married, and since everyone also used to do…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 06:11 PM
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Touche'. They are dying.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 06:06 PM
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I do think you've got a point. I just think it's worth understanding what the gain is that is being risked for: it is no longer having a woman's best years. It's simply, as you put it, to find a loving life partner. The risks have also changed markedly. Unlike in the past, there are no longer legal and social mechanisms (not only including the stigma of getting a divorce but also the stigma of having been divorced on future coupling--not wanting to die alone and all that), and consequences to en…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 06:04 PM
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I think the primary factors in delayed marriage are the availability of premarital sex as an option and the fact that the milestones of adulthood are taking longer to achieve than ever before (education, you need a college degree to even pour coffee much less a job that pays enough to start building a life, homes inflationarily priced by foreign investors who buy them and don't live in them, educational debt, etc.) All this has changed, and on one hand people are living longer which makes this a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:39 PM
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If you're scared of marriage it's probably a reflection on your relationship, not on the institution itself. Finding marriage to not have any benefit to men isn't the same as being scared of it. There are lots of things people do that are exciting even though it doesn't benefit them. There are lots of things people do just because others around them are doing it, even though it doesn't benefit them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:32 PM
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The women RISK something by giving their prime years of youthful beauty, trusting good-will (innocence), reproductive window, etc.. to a man and they would be imprudent if they give those things away without caution. Men aren't even receiving that benefit from marriage anymore, as average age of women marrying is now late 20s/early 30s. So what's the point for men marrying then? Seems like on average it's a pretty raw deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:17 PM
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marriage hurt women more than males. How does marriage hurt women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:14 PM
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Because you always did and frankly we grew tired of it Those people are dead. Now we have the opposite framework operating, and the living men subject to this opposite are getting tired of it. And so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:07 PM
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How? Would recommend?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:01 PM
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Nah come on...really?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 04:57 PM
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Women just can not understand this. What's the point of monogamy for a guy if it's not even secure? Might as well just be free agents who choose to spend time as desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 04:56 PM
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A man who used your naïveté to trap you no less. Or, she's a woman who declined to use his naïveté to trap him: After all, you seem to be pretty freely conceding that marriage is something specifically for the benefit/protection/value of the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 04:36 PM
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Very true. I just wonder how many couples explicitly hammer out boundaries around this topic before something upsetting happens. It seems like one of those things that people just wouldn't think to bring up. I dunno
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 04:11 PM
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I doubt this is seen as a a possibility by a lot of the Trump coalition--by and large, the perspective seems to be that the "newer immigrants" are simply unwilling/incapable of assimilating. It would be interesting to see what an immigration policy centered on assimilation would look like--it's certainly hard to argue against its importance.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 07:09 AM
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it’s still just dancing. This specific kinda dancing is just so...blatantly sexual. I dunno.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 06:59 AM
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As for the grinding I wouldn't know about it. But if I did, it would depend on her reaction to me grinding against someone else. Game theory: club edition
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 06:31 AM
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I'm not sure i would vocally call grinding for cheating, but there would 100% be repercussions. What might those repercussions look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:47 AM
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but just dancing who cares. that's what people do in dance clubs. i swear it's like some of you people have never been to a real world dance club. You gotta admit, it's a pretty sexual kind of dancing. What with the rubbing and the crotch and whatnot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:10 AM
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Is this something you would specifically talk about /establish as a line, or instead assume it's understood
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:09 AM
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because it's not a problem. Every generation complains about something. Or we can have mass civil war and China and Russia can come in to pick up the scraps. Sounds like you're not ruling out the possibility that this national disagreement is relatively fundamental
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:02 AM
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If you'd be comfortable sharing, who first proposed the arrangement of swinging?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 04:28 AM
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yes, is this not common sense? My personal take is it's definitely cheating, but even looking through this thread you see a range of opinions,.and I think these are pretty reflective of the range you find out there. In that light, seems that it's probably one of those things that people who like to go out should set boundaries around early on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 04:06 AM
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It kind of reminds me of another salvo from a more prominent member of the right: Laura Ingraham was complaining about how "both legal and illegal immigrants" have destroyed American culture. She didn't propose any solution for it. The fact is, even if we stopped all immigration now, the numbers are such that the "cultural destruction" she sees as being caused by the current racial proportion would not change. Maybe she, and the "blackpill YouTubers", don't state their solution because their sol…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 04:02 AM
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I do not think raising a specific case of a general concept reflects a lack of reading comprehension. However, I do think an inability to understand such a line of reasoning reflects an inability to engage in abstract thought. Unfortunately, that's a pretty fundamental prerequisite to doing things like correctly analogizing clubs to workplaces. Let me know when you're ready
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 03:33 AM
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Would you assume it's understood to be cheating by your partner (and be upset if the assumption was violated) or, instead, would it be something that you make explicit up front as a rule in the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 03:21 AM
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I was trying to develop a related point. Namely, there's a specific action a girl can give a "green light" to at a club, for which there isn't a corresponding act in any other location. Learn to discuss better.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 03:19 AM
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she gets demoted back to side chick Fair enough. If I'm not mistaken, sounds like a vote for cheating
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 03:11 AM
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Tldr: do you think grind-dancing at a club with someone of the opposite sex while in a relationship (and SO isn't present) is cheating? But most affairs start in the work place, so your girl is far more likely to cheat at work than in a club. Are all women who have partners that go to work looking to hook up? That is what your logic is implying. For that to be what I was saying, I would've had to have stated that all women in relationships go to clubs/work and in said environments are all "talki…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 02:58 AM
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They are only discouraging unworthy men of approaching. Women don't just go to bars and clubs to drink and dance. They are at least open to the possibility of getting hit on- but by the men they deem worthy. So if a.girl in a relationship does this at a club when her guy isn't there....isn't that a soft kinda cheating? Not just having a job, no. Doing the above.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 02:19 AM
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males arent owed sex and women's bodies. sorry not sorry. it isnt women's responsibility to keep your fee fee dry. get it over with. Could you please point to the sentence where I so much as hinted that the solution is to subjugate women's bodies to pay off a sex debt to men? Thanks. males' fate will be that of forced castration because they threaten innocent women. You belong in JAIL. #LOCKHERUP
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 12:36 AM
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They are only discouraging unworthy men of approaching. Women don't just go to bars and clubs to drink and dance. They are at least open to the possibility of getting hit on- but by the men they deem worthy. So if a.girl in a relationship does this at a club when her guy isn't there....isn't that a soft kinda cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 12:19 AM
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Women don't define their week by the guys they met and who they hooked up with, or how often they hook up, or how good the hook ups are. If you ask a woman how her week was, she'll tell you all about the party she went to Friday night, the clubs she went to with her girlfriends Saturday, how drunk Jenna got, how good the band was, how silly they got hanging out at Jenna's apartment afterward, how tired she was Monday for her nuclear physics exam. Must be nice. On the other hand, sounds kinda poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 12:17 AM
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Sex should only be had if the person wants it. I don't think this is in dispute. Marital rape is illegal. the people who believe this are misguided and marrying for the wrong reasons. The people who believe sex is a part of their marriage are neither misguided nor marrying for the wrong reasons, because: Presumably, the marriages are deeper than that, no? Marriages are not so deep that they can sustain never having sex. If someone is in that situation, of being sexually neglected, they are not "…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 06:31 PM
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Haha yeah...they nailed it...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 05:40 AM
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It even says there that those men aren't even looking for jobs. Right, that's the point. Some people find it cause for concern that there are this many people (and increasing) not working and not even looking for jobs. I take it you aren't one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 05:31 AM
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I would agree that if you don't see any negative consequences from a large chunk of society not working, there's not a whole lot to see here. Least as far as I can tell. Carry on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 05:01 AM
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Men don't bitch and complain like babies until someone gives them what they want, men act. It's time to start. Whinewhinewhinemememe has worked so well for feminism. It's ripe for coopting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 04:52 AM
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It's less to do with geography (east v. west, etc.) and more with education/class, I think. In the US, for example, 1/4 of women with college degrees wind up childless (I'd like to see em put that on the glossy brochures). Education tends to make people value financial and domestic stability over having a family. Educated couples (due to assortative mating, educated people do tend to end up with each other) also usually have a higher bar for what circumstances are sufficient to be able to have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 03:51 AM
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people are more likely to be on their best behavior while just dating. It's true. Not really a resounding endorsement of ever moving past the dating stage with anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 03:22 AM
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If you wait till 70, you’ll find a slew of nice widows though. My 65 year old widowed neighbor Is in a wonderful relationship with a 79 year old guy. I’m not sure that’s much consolation. Meh...that'll do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 02:50 AM
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https://www.npr.org/2016/09/06/492849471/an-economic-mystery-why-are-men-leaving-the-workforce An Economic Mystery: Why Are Men Leaving The Workforce? One in six prime-age guys has no job; it's kind of worse than it was in the depression in 1940," says Nicholas Eberstadt, an economic and demographic researcher at American Enterprise Institute who wrote the book Men Without Work: America's Invisible Crisis. He says these men aren't even counted among the jobless, because they aren't seeking work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 02:45 AM
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The class difference point is fair, because that's where the work-not work choice comes into most focus: where there's the least difference in money to potentially be made by working, as compared to not working at all Participation rate as in people either in a job or looking for one. As opposed to people who are not looking for one: they're not participatanta.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 02:28 AM
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nah
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 01:25 AM
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Hahah for sure, it's been quite the experience
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 12:43 AM
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