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Fuck her. Fuck him - he didn’t “have to do something”! It’s just his own frustration he doesn’t have the balls to walk up to girls. And fuck the store if they let that happen because you did nothing wrong and didn’t pursue or push but immediately walked away. If it was me, I’d be sending them a letter stating that you feel harassed by their security staff for a personal situation that was a legal zero and has NOTHING to do with their business. And keep up the good work. 50% of people are asshole…
/r/seduction20/06/26 08:55 PM
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Typo that I missed. I meant to say Negging.
/r/seduction08/06/26 07:49 PM
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Correct. The second method allows you to feel validated and desired without ever directly acting on the other person. It keeps you safe from any danger zone behavior because it all lives in your head.
/r/seduction08/06/26 04:49 PM
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You are saying relationships. This is a the seduction sub. He’s not talking about hooking a wife. He’s talking about getting laid. As I said in response. Negging is a dangerous tactic - especially if you are inexperienced and don’t read people well. It can backfire spectacularly and even ruin a venue for you done incorrectly or to the wrong person.
/r/seduction08/06/26 04:48 PM
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Negging is a dangerous tactic as it can work but often backfires.
/r/seduction08/06/26 04:45 PM
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Neither of those are included in a standard test.
/r/seduction03/06/26 10:48 PM
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When I was very young (late teens/early twenties) it was a huge pack at any given time. But wasn’t necessarily sleeping with all at once. More often there was a lot of constant casual flirtation and fooling around that would escalate if the feeling was mutual. In my older years I think eight that was actually fucking regularly was my most and that was brief and very difficult to manage.
/r/seduction10/02/26 01:47 AM
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This advice is gold. It’s amazing the personal confidence boost and strengthening of your position in your primary relationship that happens when you know you have pussy on the string still. I know there are going to be all kinds of “moral” answers here. But the facts are that most relationships be up being very transactional and when you know you are valued elsewhere it keeps you from giving up your self entirely.
/r/seduction10/02/26 01:45 AM
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A great point. I’m a much older guy but I can tell you I have never spent any sort of real money on a woman UNTIL I am certain that she is worth it first. As a rule I don’t do anything of consequence or cost. It has stood me very well through life.
/r/seduction08/02/26 07:14 PM
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The saddest part is that you are fitting yourself into the place of responding to low value men by doing this. Men who are capable, mature and fully self confident don’t value women based on their sexuality. They value honesty and straightforward behavior - like a real man acts - and no games.
/r/seduction08/02/26 07:12 PM
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You are self defeating there. If you like him it should be the opposite. You should immediately want to be intimate. As a guy, if you start off playing games I fall into defensive and score mode IMMEDIATELY.
/r/seduction08/02/26 07:11 PM
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This is disingenuous really. I have “wifed” and spent years living with women that we fucked like crazed animals our first meeting. It has zero bearing and people make it way too much of a “thing”.
/r/seduction08/02/26 07:10 PM
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Here’s my turnaround questions for you since I am much older and much wiser. Why would you consider this strategy “getting gamed” and that you are “much too smart for now”? If you simply like the guy’s approach/looks/personality, and you go for it and end up having a great time, some great wine (I don’t drink cheap lol!) and good or even (if you’re lucky) great sex, how did you “get tricked” or “lose”? You might even end up with a regular FWB who’s fun and non demanding that you enjoy when you j…
/r/seduction08/02/26 07:06 PM
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Because that way he knows she is hooked to sex level interest. If he has to work for it, she is gaming him - FOR WHATEVER REASON - and is not worth the effort.
/r/seduction08/02/26 07:01 PM
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Well thought out and a great job! Making them comfortable is three quarters of the way to victory. I do have to say you are fortunate to be in Canada. Canadian women are much more like European women and open and forward about their sexuality and without many of the hangups that American women have.
/r/seduction08/02/26 06:58 PM
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Dude this is GEM advice!!! It took me until my early to mid forties to realize that the social/activity/friend group thing was exactly what I was doing. I had to come out of a LTR and get back into an activities group I had previously been a member of. The crowd was fresh and a good ten years on average younger than me on the female side. But they were still the same type and it made shooting fish in a barrel look hard by comparison. And it really was for me a zero cost zero time zero real effor…
/r/seduction07/02/26 09:21 AM
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I don’t agree with anything but #4. I absolutely loved the times the most when I had 3-5 regular FWB type women. I would generally just rotate through and then when for whatever reasons the weren’t available all at once, I would be prompted to venture out and find new ground.
/r/seduction07/02/26 09:10 AM
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No. While I always prefer to go to theirs, getting them to come to mine has never been an issue. I’d say you are the problem and you should take a long objective look as to what you are projecting. Of course if you make a woman fell fear or insecurity she will not do that.
/r/seduction07/02/26 09:07 AM
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Bingo! I also feel like that can seriously fuck with your self esteem.
/r/seduction07/02/26 09:04 AM
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I think you guys are dealing with a shift in how things work. The attitude amongst your generation (my older son’s age actually) is to act just like a dude. Fuck em and forget em is good enough for guys so it’s good enough for girls too. It’s not actually new. I found it when I started fucking around with millennial chicks when they were young (I’m Gen X). They were all feminist/independent and even when I was hitting it with ones in their late thirties about ten years ago they would just go fro…
/r/seduction07/02/26 09:03 AM
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Literally your first paragraph should be the guiding mantra of every man on the planet who isn’t gay. The old truism “if momma’s not happy nobody’s happy” is most rue hen it comes to sex. You can fuck up a LOT of shit and be a world class ass. But if you are consistently and constantly getting her off every time? You are golden.
/r/seduction07/02/26 08:59 AM
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Oh ma you are so YOUNG!!! I’d love to see your story ten years from now. And twenty. And thirty (where I’m at). It’s amazing looking back how fucking dumb I was wisdom wise at 25 and how much better off I was in that wisdom department (the part that really guides you from experience) by each of those ten year marks. Hell even five years.
/r/seduction07/02/26 08:56 AM
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I agree but you have to wade through those hoes to know what fantastic is. Believe me if I knew at 22 what I know now? I’d still be with my college GF despite the crazy because they are all crazy and I’ve found many far worse in life.
/r/seduction07/02/26 08:53 AM
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Find your inner bad ass and be ok with treating them like they are in heat when they are. The world’s most prim and proper girl is a crazy fuck beast slut when she wants YOU.
/r/seduction07/02/26 08:50 AM
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We all have to learn at our own rate in our own way. As a teen and very popular dude in my youth group and Summer camp, I literally had girls throwing themselves at me and I was fucking clueless until about 16 or so when I finally woke up and started getting laid. I realized they weren’t really trying to be my “friend”. 😂
/r/seduction07/02/26 08:48 AM
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Excellent point! Always make it theirs if at all possible. That accomplishes multiple things. They feel comfortable and safe in their own environment. They will want to please you and have you think they are “good” as a homemaker/caretaker (never underestimate the connection for women between sex/sexuality and domesticity it is extremely powerful). You can scope out the level of crazy by reading the environment. You can leave and she doesn’t know where to find you if shit goes south (crazy bomb …
/r/seduction07/02/26 08:46 AM
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This right here. Just keep it sounding friendly and light (unless it’s blatantly obvious they just want dick then just get them home). If you are out it doesn’t need to be a “date” and expensive. Keep it fun/casual unless you are absolutely certain it’s worth investing in. I never took a woman out to dinner in my life until I had fucked her at least a couple of times and was more serious.
/r/seduction07/02/26 08:42 AM
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Sadly that’s something you all have to suffer with today because of the Choads who cannot treat a woman as a lady even when your goal is fucking her.
/r/seduction07/02/26 08:39 AM
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Never limit yourself to your city. The best and biggest you can only hang out so many places and that well will dry up. I always made sure to run game WHEREVER I WAS AT THE MOMENT. I used to be an executive for an organization that had quarterly and other meetings all over California. Just the one state and not generally LA or SF. I didn’t go hang out with the boring conference folks unless I hooked the eye of some PYT and had a slam dunk. I hit the bar (extremely high success rate at a nice hot…
/r/seduction07/02/26 08:38 AM
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But did you take advantage of that? So they took the brainless bunny types. But I took the cute friend GND types that would actually end up with my cock buried in them and pulled four to five times as much pussy as my friends who got so laser focused on Barbie.
/r/seduction07/02/26 08:33 AM
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I feel sorry for the youth of today that you feel you have to work so hard for a lousy sixty ish pieces of ass in a YEAR. Life was easier for me.
/r/seduction07/02/26 08:30 AM
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I used to serve as an executive director on a board. We had quarterly meetings of the entire board and various other meetings involving everyone or regional groups. Also smaller task groups. As a rule, I would only hook up with other employees at the larger meetings and never with anyone who was even within 100-200 miles of my facility. I also wouldn’t fool around with any woman that was drinking no matter what. Way too dangerous to even try that. A lot of them were married or partnered, and nex…
/r/seduction15/12/25 12:51 AM
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Everything about this post is proof of the absolute wrong way to look at seduction of any kind. If you make good money and have no debt and simply want to get laid, go pay a prostitute and don’t have any emotional connection since that seems to be what you are after. I don’t get what you are looking for here. Validation of the fact that you likely exude arrogance and therefore make yourself even less attractive despite being in a good financial place? Buddy I make at least as much as you if not …
/r/seduction12/09/23 04:42 AM
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This is why I don’t bother pursuing any woman who doesn’t at least give active and positive signals that she is into me. Take my current GF. When we met, I was still in a strange place with one of my best friends who is also a king time FWB. My GF and I hit it off right away and things were basically effortless with her and Vice versa. Only reason we didn’t have sex literally on the trunk of her car on the first date was because I was being a gentleman and trying not to seem like I just wanted a…
/r/seduction01/09/23 05:13 PM
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Don’t hate women.
/r/seduction06/08/22 09:28 PM
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Keep working on your dick growth regimen and you might want to check your conversion tables. 🤣🤣🤣
/r/seduction31/07/22 08:25 PM
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Don’t go that over in the first place and you won’t have to walk it back. With women it is always a “feel your way” progression and it’s completely different for each one. I ALWAYS hold the over the top heavy sexual stuff for until I either get a really obvious clue from her first or I have already slept with her and know where she is (ie - from vanilla lights off no oral missionary and done to fuck me in the ass right now in the middle of the club). That way you don’t ever have to walk back any…
/r/seduction31/07/22 08:15 PM
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Bingo. This is the way.
/r/seduction31/07/22 08:10 PM
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Of course it would. I actually have never exactly “worked on myself”. I’m a very social person and grew up in a highly interactive family, circle of people and community and have always been someone who steps forward and is interactive and engaging. I learned much of what and how I interact with people from my father. He has always been the guy everyone loves and everyone wants to be around and be with. He makes people feel at ease just by his presence. He is calm, confident and not at all self …
/r/seduction31/07/22 07:31 PM
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Actually you personally attacked me first. You chewed up my age (ageism), appearance and such. And you stuck your nose in when someone else responded to me and offered your opinion (like assholes everyone has one) where it wasn’t asked for or needed. I didn’t even have a chance to respond to the other person because of your busybody behavior and immediate attempt to throw shade at me. You’re right I am being a dick - to you. Normally I am as helpful as I can be here and happy to offer advice or …
/r/seduction31/07/22 07:18 PM
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Well you know it all right? You sound like a young inexperienced aggressive ass. Let me tell you what doesn’t work - that approach. Yea I am tall (6’3”). In person I look WAY younger than my age. I am in top shape. I ooze confidence and I also project my calm and give a sense of comfort and security that women feel. If you actually understood my comments instead of feeling threatened because you have a small sick or are short, you would realize my meaning is that I don’t shoot for numbers. That’…
/r/seduction31/07/22 05:30 PM
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Seems like a complete waste of time to me. I get numbers without working at it whenever I go out. But I generally only do day approaches at events. My goal is to be fucking them. Period anything less is only a place or a show and missing the goal which is a win. The only time it’s not is when (like now) I am with someone, or I’m just having fun with friends and not looking for anything. Set your standards higher.
/r/seduction31/07/22 04:38 AM
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This is possible and when you didn’t catch it she gave up and went to find a more daring guy. I’ve fucked girls in the restroom, porta potties at concerts and even right in the dance floor and at the bar. Sometimes they just want an adventure and some strange dick. And if you don’t get the hint and step up to it they bail.
/r/seduction30/07/22 05:04 PM
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It wouldn’t have been Coke if her eyes dilated. But if they just LOOKED bigger they were probably actually contracted and you are likely right. She could have been out and heading to her dealer too. Also could have hit the paranoia stage (I have a friend who gets like this with Coke and then skates home like a homing pigeon). Otherwise since the bus went elsewhere I’d agree that it’s somebody else - other dude, dealer or even girlfriend to do something else or a party 🤷🏻‍♂️.
/r/seduction30/07/22 02:10 PM
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This is interesting as is your description of her eyes dilating. You’re sure she wasn’t going to the bathroom to do something else? Otherwise the phone thing and frequent trips lead me to believe you were a warm up for some guy she is either already with or needed some liquid courage for.
/r/seduction30/07/22 01:46 PM
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And work/push without predatory pressure to get her OUT OF THE CLUB. That atmosphere is great to loosen up and get her relaxed to you and in a sexy mood with dancing and body touch/contact. But it can very quickly reach a limit unless the girl is already ready to fuck you (and I’m that case the club was a waste anyway) or is really drunk (and you shouldn’t be doing that because consent). You want to move out to where you can add intimate conversation you can hear and offer her a more private set…
/r/seduction30/07/22 01:43 PM
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You simply had post but clarity and realized that while the fucking was good last night, you don’t want a lifetime commitment with this chick and you’re sorry she’s still there. My advice before you go all right born again and crazy is to start with a simple and basic thing. Spring for a taxi/Uber at the end of the night or go to HER place and go home after you’re done. It’s may seem callous or shallow but I’m here to tell you after a lifetime of casual sex with more women than I can count. I st…
/r/seduction29/07/22 09:57 PM
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Why would you need to make an excuse?
/r/seduction29/07/22 07:50 PM
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I would be absolutely sure she is interested before I’d even flirt with her. I don’t want my food fucked with.
/r/seduction29/07/22 01:29 PM
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They always lie about that shit. I gotta be honest I have yet to have a woman be straight with me and it’s why I am very leery of any involvement more than fucking with any chick who is “recently” broken up or divorced. The fact is that the majority of women are terrible monkey branchers. So they aren’t actually through with the relationship or marriage they just like you or you look like a good option or you fuck her really well/turn her on. So they try you out then when ex plays the “so sorry/…
/r/seduction26/07/22 02:24 AM
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Are you actually serious here or just fucking around? The side of your ARMPIT?!?! WTF does that have to do with anything? Here’s a thought - STOP GOING DOWN ON HOOKERS AND YOU WON’T NEED TO BE PARANOID!!!
/r/seduction26/07/22 01:57 AM
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I only buy a drink for a woman randomly and with zero intentions. Otherwise only if they are with me and I’ve already slept with them or it’s a friend and it’s reciprocated.
/r/seduction24/07/22 04:32 PM
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Dude really? Are you really that big of a dick?
/r/seduction24/07/22 07:07 AM
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Fuck rejection. Who cares? You are you forever and nobody can change that.
/r/seduction24/07/22 07:06 AM
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Good fucking job king!!! You figured out your personal combo and overcame your demons. And you scored. Nice job. Keep up the good work!
/r/seduction24/07/22 07:04 AM
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I know. I try to tell them but they never listen. I don’t even approach anyone more.
/r/seduction24/07/22 03:40 AM
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Lmao. I had my friend with me last night. He’s a good looking guy who is almost half my age at 27. He gets women easily just like I do and we make a good team - something I rarely do actually. So we are standing next to the dance floor of a popular spot and he starts up with this great looking brunette who’s an easy 9+, stacked and friendly. I stay back a bit and watch just smiling. His back is to me. I immediately notice that she is not only looking past him at me while smiling even more, she i…
/r/seduction24/07/22 12:45 AM
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So how fat was she?
/r/seduction22/07/22 01:03 AM
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I’ve had this happen with a number of women and the ones that I am most and most instantly sexually compatible with always have a far sharper sense of smell than those that it doesn’t “click” with.
/r/seduction13/07/22 05:14 AM
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Absolutely always. I mean the facts are that those women are using you for companionship, safety and security and their own look. Why in the world shouldn’t you expect the same in return? That should be a symbiotic relationship. I have a number of women friends where we clearly state the plans when heading out for the night. We aren’t hooking up. Even my best friend and I who love each other and have slept together numerous times are not planning that when we head out. We sleep together platonic…
/r/seduction12/07/22 12:06 AM
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Because people talk and most guys like to brag. You came here with a question. I offered an opinion on the male behavior that you described based on the fact I am a man, quite a bit older and very experienced and I have seen this type of behavior hundreds of not thousands of times before. Then I offered an example to show you the very rare other type of interpretation of the situation. But that is not at all what your situation seems like. And in the end yes it is possessive jealousy? It is WAY …
/r/seduction11/07/22 10:20 PM
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Cuck means cuckold. And I promise you that you have no idea if his co worker knows unless he or the co worker tell you. Likely one or both will deny it, but the behavior screams out to me that the coworker knows about it.
/r/seduction11/07/22 10:16 PM
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It’s totally situationally dependent. In your case it sounds like he’s trying to cuck his co worker. You haven’t said what kind of friendship or rivalry the two guys have and that has a lot of bearing on things as well. Co worker probably knows that he fucked you and he is establishing that you are an option for him first. For me I don’t go there with a woman I am not directly in a declared relationship with with one exception and I’ll use an example. My best friend and I are both extremely clos…
/r/seduction11/07/22 10:12 PM
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Yeah but as was described above you better have a way to verify consent or get ready for jail time.
/r/seduction11/07/22 09:53 PM
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What is manipulative or tricky about acting nonchalant so you don’t come off as a walking hard on? That’s just being decent and human and not acting like a tool.
/r/seduction11/07/22 09:50 PM
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Good points. Ultimately you go out and find by experience what works best for you. There is no simple, catch all and everybody answer.
/r/seduction11/07/22 09:49 PM
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Great post and very accurate in everything. The only thing I would add is that if you have them be going out with WOMEN friends. I have found that nothing attracts women like perceived competition. I have literally had women come up to me, walk right into a deep kiss and later say “is your wife there ok with this?” After the fact.
/r/seduction11/07/22 09:47 PM
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Just had an extreme version of this this past weekend. I have a best friend. She and I have declared feelings for one another. She is quite a bit younger. We have slept together a number of times in the past but lately have been off that as she works through some mental health stuff. She invites me over and we had a great day and night. We were drinking, had dinner then went out. Got home to her place and had some weed. At this point I basically passed out in bed. I woke briefly to her telling m…
/r/seduction11/07/22 07:18 PM
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All this. If I had a buck for the amount of times I have heard (mostly when I was younger) from a woman “you’re the second guy I e ever been with!” (Because virgin isn’t at all believable when they just sucked you off like a Hoover) I’d have a nice pile of money 🤣! The older version I find now with divorcées in the 35+ range is either “I have only ever been with my husband for twenty years” (of course not mentioning the college ho phase or high school time or hot twenties lol) or “I’ve JUST star…
/r/seduction11/07/22 07:08 PM
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Welcome to America, land of false moralisms and need for justification of natural human sexual behavior.
/r/seduction11/07/22 07:00 PM
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Sure. Look I’m not doing some kind of dick measuring contest with you. Obviously you need to “win” the discussion. I don’t care. Have a good life.
/r/seduction09/07/22 04:54 PM
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Ok whatever. This isn’t a touchy feely soapbox. It’s seduction. I’m offering my personal experience and it included many other people and friends. I did a little work myself a few times in my earlier life because the photographer my girlfriend at the time was using asked me. I haven’t met any that aren’t shallow and materialistic. My gf then was an exception because she just had a thing about being a model. Turned out that she could only do lingerie and bathing suit because of her build (5’3/100…
/r/seduction09/07/22 04:08 PM
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I have dated several women during my life that were actual models (I’m a little older so the IG thing is actually kind of just silly to me) in print/TV and such. They are generally pretty vapid and not very intelligent. Their entire being focuses around the material and they don’t feel or express genuine emotion. As a contrast I have been with more attractive “regular” women (I have two right now) that are delightful and fun and loving. And when you wake up in the morning and look at them, you a…
/r/seduction09/07/22 03:27 PM
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Ditto. Been there done that in life. They cost a lot and definitely aren’t worth the price.
/r/seduction09/07/22 01:59 AM
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Ahh that’s still right in your age range at 29. Not really “older” in the sense people here think of. My parents have five years between them and that’s close for their generation.
/r/seduction05/07/22 08:59 PM
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Yeah you seem like you’re pretty in touch with yourself - which jives with the fact that you said he’s an older guy. Sirius how much older. My main girl (for want of a better term) is 33 and my other one is 40. I’m 51. Both exclusively prefer much older men who are mature and settled but young and fit looking. Lucky for me I fit the bill lol!
/r/seduction05/07/22 08:34 PM
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That’s different but also sometimes it’s just right. The woman I love and one of my best friends and lovers and I had an immediate spark and we know we will always be a part of one another’s lives in whatever capacity that ends up. Sometimes that just happens and putting a measure on it is short selling the feelings and chemistry that is there. Every once in a while You meet people in life that way where you just “click” and I don’t mean just romantically. You should never throw that away becaus…
/r/seduction05/07/22 08:23 PM
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Only in this weird new world of everyone trying to play everyone else. Thus the comment above about not listening to her girlfriends. It’s all great if both men and women are just playing and looking for casuals, hook ups or FWB. If you actually want to meet a good and decent person that you would like to get serious about? Don’t fucking play games. Lay it out when trust is built - which happens through sincere and honest communication and interaction and time spent together doing things that no…
/r/seduction05/07/22 08:20 PM
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All this and what does he do for a living? If he’s medical personnel like I am he likely works a ton and possibly an odd shift. He may also do a job (I’m in the operating room) where communication is impossible most of the time.
/r/seduction05/07/22 08:15 PM
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It’s funny because I don’t change my manner or attitude (I’m too damn old for that lol) but I have always experienced this. Especially when I was married. I have also found that seasonality had a lot to do with how eager they are and also that brings waves of up and down times.
/r/seduction05/07/22 03:21 PM
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You blew your chance to fuck her right then. That’s when she was ready and wanting it. Probably a one shot deal but so what? It’s a lay and an experience. Besides you had set up with her bestie and could’ve have them pivoted through the group if you know how to get women off and don’t have a micro peen. Personally at this point I’d move in to the friend and see if you still have any shot there. Ignore that one. She may come back. Make her wait a bit. Her friend will let her know you’ve been in c…
/r/seduction05/07/22 03:13 PM
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Second this. Fit as can be and toned as a rock.
/r/seduction05/07/22 02:13 AM
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I wish I could help. I’m a month short of 52 and still have no issues going multiple rounds every day. I have come to understand that a LOT of younger guys are having problems though. I’d say use the pills.
/r/seduction05/07/22 02:12 AM
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It’s hit and miss. I also will turn mine off from time to time to refresh it. I don’t count on online though because it is unreliable at best. I far prefer meeting women in person in whatever venue. I also have to say that my current second girl I am seeing/fucking regularly I met through Facebook dating. It has opened an entirely new online dating resource and it is FREE!
/r/seduction29/06/22 10:41 PM
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Who fucking cares? Be good at getting a woman off - as many times as she is capable of - and you can have a micro peen and it won’t matter. I’m pretty well endowed but not some crazy porn specimen. My girl told me after the first time we had sex that she had been with one guy bigger than me and it hurt and she couldn’t handle it. But that She had found me and I have the perfect dick because it fills her just right. And I get her off every possible way so the sex is insanely good for both of us. …
/r/seduction29/06/22 09:47 PM
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Who fucking cares? Be good at getting a woman off - as many times as she is capable of - and you can have a micro peen and it won’t matter. I’m pretty well endowed but not some crazy porn specimen. My girl told me after the first time we had sex that she had been with one guy bigger than me and it hurt and she couldn’t handle it. But that She had found me and I have the perfect dick because it fills her just right. And I get her off every possible way so the sex is insanely good for both of us. …
/r/seduction29/06/22 09:46 PM
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This is a danger zone for an inexperienced guy. I wouldn’t advise this.
/r/seduction29/06/22 01:18 PM
1

Either she wants to swap/swing, she tired if you or you need to not be complacent and step up your game. And be quick about figuring it out because I’d bet on the third one and she’s about to have a “girls night out” or a “business trip” and you will soon be without a girlfriend.
/r/seduction29/06/22 12:45 AM
1

Can you understand the meaning of the words “creepy stalker” and “threatening”? You’re lucky she didn’t call the cops and already have an RO on your sad ass.
/r/seduction29/06/22 12:42 AM
1

Bro to hard and heavy. Leave her be and let her come to you. If she does, ease up to things slowly over time. And never get bent. Especially over something as dumb as that. It’s pointless and you fucked around and found out right? Next time make sure you have some life activities or other chicks to keep you from losing your damn mind and going hardball on some girl you basically just met. I’m essence off you’re like me and basically always fucking them immediately or at most within a week, you c…
/r/seduction29/06/22 12:41 AM
6

Actually it’s just rude.
/r/seduction28/06/22 10:25 PM
4

Most likely he does it out of a personal lack of self esteem. 90% of the guys I know who do this are really scared shitless because of perceived or actual shortcoming in themselves and feel the need to out women down to feel like they are superior. The other 10%? Clueless idiots. Either way you look pretty fucking bad.
/r/seduction28/06/22 10:24 PM
32

Exactly. If you tried that shit with my girl - who is flirty and social and a 5’6”/120 athlete and fit as fuck - who has had issues with an eating disorder and self esteem problems in the past? She’d either shine your lame ass loudly so you look like the jackass you are or just walk away. But you would not be getting anything. You’d just make her (and most women) feel like shit about herself and avoid men for a long time. It’s Chad assholes like you that ruin women for most all of the guys here …
/r/seduction28/06/22 10:21 PM
6

Don’t fucking do that and you won’t have to worry about how to respond when they call you out on PUA bullshit. There you are you have your answer.
/r/seduction28/06/22 10:17 PM
-1

What’s the difference? It’s Reddit. Nobody knows who you are or where you were at to give anything away. And she’s a damn porn star. People can see who she is anytime. It’s not like it’s a private life.
/r/seduction12/06/22 07:53 PM
11

How to have sex on the first date. Don’t listen to any of these clowns.
/r/seduction12/06/22 07:50 PM
-5

Then say whom it was. You’re not hiding shit for her. You’re either nonsensically playing Captain save a ho, or you’re lying. Come clean. Edit: good on you for being up front.
/r/seduction12/06/22 07:49 PM
29

Then this is a made up story. That’s bullshit. You have no reason to do that. Nobody knows where you were or when. If this is real, say who it was.
/r/seduction12/06/22 05:16 PM
3

So live and learn. Try pushing your own envelope a little more each time until you feel out the right timing.
/r/seduction09/06/22 11:34 PM
33

My girl will forever have a piece of my heart no matter what happens or how we end up. She is the first woman (I am 51 years old) who has ever insisted on taking ME out on a first date and taken care of EVERYTHING. I actually had never in my life experienced this and it was one of the most incredibly special and touching things any woman has ever done for me. And I will always love her for it and how good and wanted she made me feel. We like to be appreciated to from time to time.
/r/seduction09/06/22 11:30 PM
10

Why??? I have done exactly the same thing with women who are wishy washy. Who are “not sure what they want”. Who are independent to the point of seeming disinterested. If she doesn’t show definite and direct interest then why would I waste my time, wonder, feel rejected and make continued effort? It goes both ways.
/r/seduction09/06/22 11:27 PM
5

Lmao! Skill set definitely separates the MEN from the BOYS. And it dies often make the difference between a blown time, a nice time and a date that ends the next morning or week. That’s an absolute fact that I can swear by from time upon time of it and having learned from experience.
/r/seduction09/06/22 11:25 PM
2

Correct because if she didn’t have an interest in the first place, she wouldn’t have been at that spot with him 😏! An example. Recently I was at a party with my girl. We have been off of sexual activity because she is transitioning from the pill (too many years) to an IUD. In the process she is letting her body have a break. Well a few weekends ago we went to a friends party. She wore a cute little summer dress with nothing under it. I didn’t know this until she pulled me with her to the bathroo…
/r/seduction09/06/22 11:23 PM
4

Great statement and so very true. My girl who I am in love with and Vice versa is much younger (33 vs 51). She cannot stand guys under 45 because they are just always too immature and unsettled in some way OR they want her to instantly marry and have kids (she doesn’t want either). She also is socially anxious and nervous by nature and she loves the settled calm and mature relaxed and confident attitude I have. It makes her feel calm, relaxed and protected at all times. And she needs that. Anoth…
/r/seduction09/06/22 11:16 PM
0

Wait til 20 years from now bud! You’ll REALLY have no tolerance when you’re my age 🤣🤣🤣!
/r/seduction08/06/22 12:20 AM
1

No it’s realistic and happening everywhere. I honestly put a lot of it as a result of fears of being alone generated by covid. Even my women friends who are shut ins and socially anxious and introverted have glommed on to guys that you would go “WTF how does he get THAT?!?!”
/r/seduction08/06/22 12:19 AM
1

Two points my ass. I’m an easy nine at any time and I have women match me constantly that are ugly, fat, homely or just plain average and nothing special and are obviously shooting FAR above their range. It’s ridiculous. And I’m done with the “you go gurl” feel good about yourself and proud of yourself if you’re a nasty gross 🤮! Be realistic. If you’re gonna let yourself go and be nasty, you aren’t getting with a prince honey. It’s the facts of life.
/r/seduction08/06/22 12:17 AM
1

It’s the “bad boy” syndrome. They want the excitement and constant thrill and nervous energy jag of that asshat that’s years them like a hole in the mattress. Then when they get a chance with a decent guy - and I’ll tell you I’m beyond the best when I am with someone - they take it for granted and (literally we have seen now) shit in your bed and expect you to take it and ask for more.
/r/seduction08/06/22 12:09 AM
2

Exactly. Been a single dad for a king time now and have perfectly healthy and well adjusted children (three adults) that have been far better off with me alone than they ever were in the middle of unhappy marriages. So there goes another assumption/theory.
/r/seduction08/06/22 12:06 AM
1

Gotta be honest, three failed marriages that I WALKED AWAY FROM and two LTR’s same and I have to say that me finally saying no I’ve had bough of living like a servant just for a modicum of affection and tail wasn’t worth it. And things ended immediately when I did. It’s honestly just exhausting and not worth it. And the longer I stay single and don’t have to put up with any of that bullshit and stand to being myself and being sure I let anyone I date or sleep with know that I’m no uncertain sens…
/r/seduction08/06/22 12:04 AM
1

Inhavr to say that rant or not you have a fair and valid set of points. I don’t hate women. And I don’t think that you do either. On the contrary the majority of my friends are women and I absolutely love them. But is we exactly what you are saying. The insane level of complete selfishness in people today makes the “me” 80’s looks like a love fest by comparison. And I was there and lived through it. I don’t know what has to happen or change to improve this. And it’s very much a US thing above ho…
/r/seduction07/06/22 11:46 PM
1

Well stated and so very true. I have a half a lifetime of enormous success with women. But then I was with one person for all of covid and a bit after and in that two plus year span everything changed. Things were wild at first. People got out and I had ridiculously easy success for about six months. Then it dried up hard. For about j three months it didn’t seem to matter what I did it failed and everyplace seemed to be all couples and the same retreads. At the same time my girl who I was thinki…
/r/seduction07/06/22 11:38 PM
2

Just go easy and look for signs. Not too hard or you will convince yourself something is there that is not.
/r/seduction07/06/22 02:40 AM
3

For the past ten months I have been getting a hard full court press followed by that kind of line from my girl. I’ve finally found a comfortable place to stand back and let her sort herself out. And I’m good with it. If we get together sometime in the future in a serious way, I won’t let it happen while she’s the way she is now. That said, it seems like either she is just wanting casual, casual with you, or is politely letting you down. Any which way I’d find other action and just back burner he…
/r/seduction07/06/22 02:37 AM
1

While you are correct in all counts, sometimes that’s still just not enough. She is a good decent and kind person so I can’t knock that. We have a connection that I have only had with a few people in my entire life and it’s mutual and palpable to everyone we know and who meets us together. She has flaws and I am well aware of them - because she asks me constantly to help her work through them and be a better person and version of herself for herself and for me. And she accepts this and shows her…
/r/seduction07/06/22 02:27 AM
1

Work at being objective and see her as human and flawed. No matter how wonderful a person any of us is, we all have flaws and human shortcomings. It’s just the facts of life. There must be something about her, some behavior or shortcoming of personality that you actually don’t accept or like but are just ignoring or overlooking to support your own job of fooling yourself that there is “something there”. I am living some of this right now and have finally found a healthy place where I can go alon…
/r/seduction07/06/22 02:13 AM
3

There’s a pretty damn good chance that 1) it’s the truth and she did hook back up with her “ex” if he’s even ex and not actual BF and 2) that some combination of that or she just had fun with you as a one off and her friends actually has something for you and she’s backed off or the friend asked her to back off. Whichever or whatever she obviously isn’t interested and now you’re a stalky creeper. Move on.
/r/seduction07/06/22 02:08 AM
18

I would venture to say that the fact that you grew up with four brothers as (I assume) the only girl has a lot to do with this. You are used to being in a male dominated environment and forcing them to look at you as “one of the boys” to compete for even equal attention. It’s remarkably similar to my girl but more extreme. She grew up as the baby sister with two much older, much bigger and more accomplished (in her eyes, I know this is not true) big brothers. And she has learned to relate to men…
/r/seduction07/06/22 01:57 AM
2

Sometimes it either just isn’t there or she’s not ready or wanting that. You need to recognize what all different kinds of interactions are and not assume that by pushing the issue you are going to magically get any woman to be sexually interested in you. Let me give you all another little secret. Very few women today have not undergone some level of sexual harassment or outright assault. And this has a huge effect upon how they are to be approached and how and when they make themselves approach…
/r/seduction07/06/22 12:37 AM
1

Tell the hundreds of critics I’ve had attack me here on Reddit 🙄
/r/seduction02/06/22 03:25 AM
29

You’re in fucking NYC! Any night if the week has action there. It’s not like you’re in a middle sized west coast city like me where most people work and pack it in on the weeknights and there are few opinions even on W/Th and nothing on S/M/T nights unless it’s football season.
/r/seduction02/06/22 01:18 AM
6

My girl is 33. I’m 51. She pursued and captured me. It’s nobody else’s fucking business.
/r/seduction01/06/22 11:25 PM
0

And you obviously don’t get women and likely aren’t scoring. Meanwhile I’m out wine tasting and getting blown between wineries by my side chick. Who wins this?
/r/seduction30/05/22 08:48 PM
-1

No. Some that act like this yes. But don’t make the mistake of trying to class all women as “ducking bitches”.
/r/seduction30/05/22 08:47 PM
0

Absolutely. There is no hard and fast. You need to run each situation as it comes and handle it appropriately.
/r/seduction30/05/22 08:44 PM
0

So that’s an entirely different situation. If you have gotten to that point it’s an absolutely pull back and wait and see. Even with my girl I play that pull back sometimes when she’s being lax.
/r/seduction30/05/22 08:42 PM
3

Yeah I’m the same way it doesn’t bother me either or make me suddenly walk away from a near year long relationship.
/r/seduction30/05/22 03:47 AM
25

Very well written and stated. And about time someone addressed the entirely overly toxic attitude that has been steadily growing in this sub.
/r/seduction30/05/22 03:44 AM
6

I disagree with the entire premise of the title. It a demeaning and dehumanizing. It does everything the fucking FDS witches accuse us of - objectifying and compartmentalizing women into things/objects instead of treating them as fellow humans. Think of it this way. If you have a career and are busy all day with it like I am, how would you feel if a woman you are interested in and talking to blew you off because your work kept you from being able to Insta answer every message she sent? It works …
/r/seduction30/05/22 02:57 AM
2

Yeah same here. I can get away with it either way but it’s serious bruh territory these days and I don’t want any associations with tools.
/r/seduction30/05/22 02:52 AM
42

She didn’t say not interested. She said BUSY. Understand the difference. I work in surgery for a living. I’m not fucking texting almost a whole ten hour shift when I am at work. My girl, friends and family know this. They don’t worry about it. They send whatever things they want me to know or respond to. Conversely my girl is a terrible texter. But she has learned to be very good with me. And still she is a professional, often in meetings and dealing with work issues. She also doesn’t respond wh…
/r/seduction30/05/22 02:23 AM
4

This is bullshit. You go by this all the time you are leaving a LOT on the table and only hurting yourself and costing yourself opportunities. No I don’t do double texting unless there is something important I forgot to say. But don’t assume this bullshit because she has a life and doesn’t instantly respond to you. The world doesn’t revolve around you. Grow up and get out of preschool man.
/r/seduction30/05/22 02:18 AM
1

I hate rude behavior. Ghosting is for immature children. Man up and just be polite and say you really weren’t feeling it and you wish her luck.
/r/seduction29/05/22 06:31 PM
19

Sounds like you’ve been following me and taking notes lol! Disagree about the fade though. The slightly longer and a bit unkempt look is in now. I had my usual fade going from about February through a month or so ago and had a lot of slow time everywhere and even my own girl was off some. Let it grow out a bit and boom!
/r/seduction29/05/22 06:27 PM
5

You were appearing to talk about a first date. The danger here is that validation is all she is really seeking and that she would receive this without physical interaction if you check in once again. As I said in the other thread. If you have already completed your online/text interaction and have a date set with a plan/place/time, there is I need for any further text communication other than cancelling or change of plans. Otherwise you simply open the door to her having her need for validation …
/r/seduction29/05/22 03:55 PM
3

Just do you. I don’t wear my glasses and get girls. And then I put them in and they tend to be more intrigued. I do wear my glasses and get girls. Then take them off and they get more intrigued. Just do what works for you. And be sure enough can see what they actually look like.
/r/seduction29/05/22 06:49 AM
1

Well I love to tell you that I am 6’3”, a very fit 185 (ex athlete and still compete) and very attractive. I have always been this way but when I began to come into my own in my twenties and gained the self confidence of a self made man things really took off.
/r/seduction29/05/22 05:47 AM
18

And I dip in here to share knowledge and entertain myself. And I’ve been very attractive and successful in life and with women for a very long time. So why would you believe that you ate something special and he’s not when you are both in Reddit if that’s some sort of signal that a guy is not? Shit. I’m 51. My main girl is 33 and a 9.5 on her bad days. My side girl is a 9+. I don’t play below 8 because I have self respect and standards. Are you trying to say that because I am enjoying some inter…
/r/seduction29/05/22 02:37 AM
1

You are right. We are heavily invested. But my final point doesn’t change. He is just earlier in the game.
/r/seduction29/05/22 02:11 AM
2

No. I wouldn’t waste any more effort at all. Move on
/r/seduction29/05/22 02:09 AM
51

This entire thread seems like there isn’t a single guy over the age of 23 on it.
/r/seduction29/05/22 02:08 AM
14

Which means what? So are you.
/r/seduction29/05/22 02:07 AM
11

Glad you said this before I had to. And don’t kid yourself that good looking dude has some magic ticket either. You pick the wrong chick to try this with and she gets flipped out because of having a husband/bf, not into it, lez or whatever and if you’re REALLY unlucky she’s a regular and you just got your ass 86’ed by the ex college lineman who bounces and is her “friend”. I tell you this because I know the ownership and staff of most of the places inhabit out for many years and I have a number …
/r/seduction29/05/22 02:06 AM
1

Bullshit! If you have a competent supervisor over dudes head and he knows how to dot the i’s and cross the t’s then he will be fired. It’s quid pro quo harassment that you are being affected by and it’s absolutely taboo for a supervisor to be fucking around with a subordinate AT ANY TIME. I am a Union officer so trust me on this.
/r/seduction28/05/22 07:27 PM
1

Dude you aren’t getting her. If you’re feeling particularly vicious or vengeful - and I wouldn’t blame you if you are - find a way to anonymously let his wife know.
/r/seduction28/05/22 07:24 PM
5

Everyone is a friend until they aren’t. And it’s no one else’s business who has the upper hand. Create demand for YOU. Let them show you who should be keeping your bed warm. I had similar this weekend. I have been playing lately because my girl (we aren’t officially anything btw but we do love each other) has been in a self care phase for almost two months and I got tired of playing her weird pull away thing until she comes out of her “phase”. So the girl I’ve been playing with heavily the past …
/r/seduction28/05/22 04:31 PM
2

You sound bitter and like you want shit handed to you. Get yourself a better education and job to make better money. Have nice stuff, dress well and be stylish. Be clever and funny and social. Make women friends instead of hating them and looking at women as a hole in the mattress like you obviously do from your original post here. You can do a LOT of things to make up for being an average looking guy to be able to score in those upper ranges. But it takes work and effort not just bitching about…
/r/seduction28/05/22 04:24 PM
0

Maybe I just get with better/polite people. If I get cancelled on it’s usually a day or more in advance and then a reset date is offered. With my girl I know she is chronically a half hour to 45 minutes behind whatever she tells me so I factor that into when I am picking her up or meeting her somewhere. And I don’t play this kind of game. If a date is set, I have the expectation that it is happening if I haven’t received any other type of communication. It’s that simple. Not sure who you all are…
/r/seduction28/05/22 03:23 PM
5

Yes it’s a good answer and really hits in the problem with substituting text for phone or in person communication. I would add that some of this is just how women are combined with some plain aren’t great communicators either in general or specifically. For all sorts of reasons many of which are perfectly valid. My girl is a great example. Terrible texter as far as returning them. I’ll go days sometimes with no response. Then I get a day like today where she blows me up all morning with paragrap…
/r/seduction27/05/22 07:54 PM
0

If you do, you must absolutely be sure to get yours as soon as you can. This is a touchy situation at best and you are best served to get yours and use that as a way to try to nail her down to something more consistent. Otherwise don’t bother.
/r/seduction27/05/22 07:42 PM
1

Yeah that’s true at 25. Not at 30+
/r/seduction27/05/22 01:08 AM
1

You sound exactly like my girl. Always dated older. Older than me (51) at a younger age. She can’t stand guys under 45. They are all immature and controlling/jealous.
/r/seduction27/05/22 01:08 AM
-1

Dude I’m 51. The girl I’m in love with and Vice versa is 33. She owns her own home had a professional career and takes me out half the time and pays for her own shit. We have great sex and great times together. You described a sugar relationship. Buying your young pussy basically. That’s what all your fancy language above translates to me as a secure professional man who actually looks good and attracts younger women not because of my money but because of me. You sound like despite height and wh…
/r/seduction27/05/22 12:57 AM
0

I have to disagree. When I am on a date with a woman of my standards (minimum 8-8.5 objective) I feel even more confident. As an example when my girl (a 9.5) and I are out, we both know that we are a stunning couple and that our mutual beefy and connection lights up everyone around us. So we both feed off that and are supremely confident and even somewhat arrogant.
/r/seduction25/05/22 05:04 PM
1

The man does not lie.
/r/seduction25/05/22 05:00 PM
2

Yea I do. And I rarely have that going on and do not also have a physical thing going as well.
/r/seduction25/05/22 04:30 PM
1

More power to you and I fully appreciate that. My girl has been on a two month dry out with only one “fun night” (two weekends ago) as a break. I have fully supported her in that because she is also learning to work through her near crippling social anxiety without the crutch of alcohol. But that just means you have to purposely expose yourself to as many interactions as possible and learn to be able to approach someone and spark you a conversation on your own. It’s not easy and I won’t lie and …
/r/seduction25/05/22 01:16 PM
1

Yeah those are good to. I’ve done “fwb” or “close/good friends” and seen that before as well.
/r/seduction25/05/22 05:42 AM
7

Means nothing to me. I say what I like.
/r/seduction25/05/22 03:36 AM
-1

Precisely. The woman that I had over last night at one point in the conversation I mentioned that the giant garden planter built in my front yard was something I did by hand. Her eyes became huge and she all hit melted into me. Women appreciate a man being a man.
/r/seduction25/05/22 03:25 AM
21

You can do this. My girl and I love each other deeply and passionately and with caring and concern and connection. But even though we were very connected from the start, it took time to build that trust that allowed the open and vulnerable live to flourish. You need to not just open and throw yourself completely out there until you have trust and certainty built up with a person. Otherwise you will find pain that leads to bitterness and resentment. And great difficulty in ever being able to find…
/r/seduction25/05/22 03:22 AM
3

Gotta say I agree with the above. And I’ll add since I’m an old fucker lol the sales approach. Just fucking go get it. But alcohol - NO MORE THAN TWO SHOTS OR YOU GET STUPID - will go a long way to help those early experience nerves.
/r/seduction25/05/22 02:06 AM
2

Hmmm that’s kind of a mantra for all of us who travel internationally though.
/r/seduction25/05/22 01:51 AM
2

Wise POV and completely correct. Have fun now. Gain experience and don’t cut yourself out of life. But don’t settle so early when you haven’t even barely begun to sample all the possibilities.
/r/seduction25/05/22 01:33 AM
5

I don’t know about you but I’m 51 and my market is as big or bigger than ever.
/r/seduction25/05/22 12:47 AM
1

Exactly. The key word? “Casual”. It can mean anything from hangout buddies to fuck buddies. Any good looking woman that seems relatively normal and says casual on her bio I’m absolutely swiping. And I have it on mine as well.
/r/seduction25/05/22 12:32 AM
1

This is absolutely a sign of not just interest but sexual interest (or familiarity if you’ve already gone there). A side note here: it has been my experience that many women will draw in their past experience of sexual comfort to move the touch to a sexual one - not realizing that sort of familiarity is usually a post coital thing. As an example. Girl I was with last night. Sits down on the couch next to men and essentially lays herself down on me and puts her hand intimately on my mid thigh fin…
/r/seduction24/05/22 11:14 PM
2

Interesting. I wonder if that’s unique to your city/area. The ones I have spoken to are primarily Sydney, Melbourne and such. And they are natives and seem to be very friendly and welcoming. Of course Australia is larger than the continental US so like me you are probably mostly tied to your city for OLD unless you are traveling. Sort of how I am in California and while there is a TON of easy OLD action in the Texas, Florida and East coast cities, that is a three to six hour plane ride nonstop f…
/r/seduction24/05/22 10:51 PM
3

Nice job and well done!
/r/seduction24/05/22 05:24 PM
2

And then there is this factor.
/r/seduction24/05/22 05:00 PM
4

Honestly to me it’s something to do if I’m bored. I feel that the vast majority of people that are actively using them are low quality, simply lazy or introverted and scared to actually interact anyway.
/r/seduction24/05/22 04:59 PM
19

Precisely this. At that point she has already made the decision whether or not she is really interested and if she has agreed to the next step the odds are much better that 1) she will not flake and 2) she isn’t going to be derailed/sidetracked by the other 8,000 guys in her online inbox.
/r/seduction24/05/22 04:55 PM
2

Some here. A number through FB. I don’t think anyone from Canberra other than one ex pat from the US but she’s not actually an Aussie and she’s crazy lol!
/r/seduction24/05/22 04:51 PM
1

Maybe so. Although those I have talked to online also seem very open and encouraging. I have had several offer for me to stay with them - in their beds - if I come to visit. Might I ask which city you are in? That’s way I can avoid it lol!
/r/seduction24/05/22 09:03 AM
2

Ok I finally figured out your claims. Dude I have score Aussie women in like every country I’ve been in including my own. They are incredibly sexually open and and straightforward and easy to meet and talk to. You’re not giving a good baseline to anyone using Australia as your example.
/r/seduction24/05/22 08:17 AM
2

Think about how you approach women. Then reverse your role to being the approachee. Men don’t want a woman coming on like a buddy. That’s not gonna fly. Be a girl and restrain the dude shit.
/r/seduction24/05/22 08:08 AM
1

That’s a key when you are young (I’m not I’m 51 so it’s certainly easier) is to learn how to rein in your horny. So to follow up. She spent her weekend in Vegas with the coed Bachelorette/Bachelor party. We texted continuously the entire time. I did my thing here. And unfortunately Saturday night I got dragged into a fight where I was tripped and landed fade into a speaker box which did damage and did NOT feel good. Also didn’t do much for looks lol! But it’s temporary. So I fessed up and let he…
/r/seduction24/05/22 08:05 AM
0

Yeah so explain great rapport and waiting a week or more.
/r/seduction23/05/22 09:50 PM
1

We have a date tomorrow night when she gets back to town. Hopefully I don’t scare her off. I was out with friends last night and had a bunch of dudes start shit. One sucker punched me and as I ducked his buddy tripped me and I fell face into one of the floor speakers. Not looking too pretty at the moment with an eye swollen shut.
/r/seduction22/05/22 04:14 PM
1

Yes but a larger mid size one. Generally I stick to night game. I will take an opportunity that presents itself in day game of course but usually I restrict that to outdoor activity stuff as my days are busy and time is limited.
/r/seduction22/05/22 04:08 PM
1

This is a major reason why I am very selective about where and how I approach women.
/r/seduction22/05/22 01:20 AM
2

All good. Part of the process and part of figuring out what is right for you and what you want. And learning how to read women as well and their needs and desires.
/r/seduction21/05/22 11:39 PM
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You’ll be just fine. Focus on yourself and being a prize catch. Be confident but not arrogant. Have your job and financial life secure, steady and solid. Have goals that are realistic and will build upon each other to achieve a solid level of independence and security that is attractive to quality women. Have a quietly mature take in things and be a good human but not a pushover. Quiet confidence and power is sexy and attractive to women. I am a lover not a fighter by nature. But my girl found o…
/r/seduction21/05/22 11:34 PM
1

Yeah that’s a lot of crap that you only see on Reddit postulated by incels and useless choads.
/r/seduction21/05/22 09:49 PM
6

You heard basically correctly. There is of course a cougar factor and a certain number of older women liking younger as well. I have several lady friends that are in this group. They aren’t interested in guys our age at all. Some others are still gold digging and liking even older. But generally men mature and settle down as we get older and become higher earners and established in our professions/careers. We also gain self confidence and the ability to sift and sort through and dodge the women …
/r/seduction21/05/22 08:26 PM
5

You’re welcome. I love to share in the hopes that it can help younger guys not have to go through as much trial and error and have an easier time.
/r/seduction21/05/22 07:47 PM
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Of course but they both completely true. Older women are done with pretension. They know what they want and they aren’t afraid to go after it or say it. And they will do what they need to do to make that happen. Im older than most guys here (51) but look far younger and play a large age range (my current girl is 33). Over the holidays when we were still “seeing other people” I had a run of women that I would consider in my “normal range” by other peoples standards (ie about 42 - 56). Without exc…
/r/seduction21/05/22 07:22 PM
2

Even my current “situationship” with my girl (we are more than just FWB/best friends and exclusive but not “committed”) after nine months while we live our own lives and do our own things, when we are together we are like a married couple and she leans on me completely. And I don’t see any scenario where she ever leaves my life unless I cut it off. Even when she has her mental break/pull back periods, she always comes back and we are tight.
/r/seduction21/05/22 06:52 PM
31

This is also correct.
/r/seduction21/05/22 06:39 PM
69

This is correct.
/r/seduction21/05/22 06:39 PM
14

I tend to agree in the short term and if you don’t show her what she is wanting to see within that short term. I feel that longer term and especially if she has shown an obvious emotional commitment to you, in my experience I find that at that point the formula tends to reverse and she becomes locked to you. Idk. I have always felt that this has been my pattern in life. That once I get them committed and it’s gone past say six months or so, I have to work at it if I want to get rid of them and I…
/r/seduction21/05/22 03:48 PM
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Another book and a wasted read.
/r/seduction21/05/22 01:15 AM
4

You still want to appease to the entire group. You understand there will be a range with stranger guy walking up. And there’s a better than equal chance that another one is interested in you as well just shy or not as blatantly obvious. So you act friendly and open. Don’t be afraid to clown yourself and do your best to get things lighten and laughing. As opportunity presents itself - and if one is that seriously dialed into you it will and she will make sure if it - you work to giving the lions …
/r/seduction20/05/22 04:27 AM
1

Ok fair enough thank you.
/r/seduction20/05/22 12:33 AM
10

Also an elder player and totally disagree. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve done this with no trouble.
/r/seduction20/05/22 12:22 AM
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Exactly this. And you might be surprised but more often than not when I have approached a group with an initial target IN MIND (not set in stone - always be ready to shift quickly at any moment) that I end up with a totally different one because that’s also a good one and the one that you end up with is also the one that wants YOU!
/r/seduction20/05/22 12:20 AM
2

Yes of course but my point is that in the process of gaining that experience, don’t fuck your self over by trying to do what a more experienced guy tells you is what works best. So for example I went out with a woman the other night. We had chatted online quite a bit because that’s where I found her. Enough to have basic familiarity, background, etc. and get along smoothly in an in person convo. Invited her to dinner as she is high value (actually makes more money and more advanced education tha…
/r/seduction19/05/22 10:37 PM
2

What’s wrong with the feelings? What are you scared about. I’m legitimately asking because I’ve had this situation to deal with where the feelings are like overwhelmingly glaringly obvious and communicated but then the pill back comes around. I’d like to get an idea of what is going on with that.
/r/seduction19/05/22 10:21 PM
1

Yeah I did this with my girl back in November when she wigged out on me about how she wasn’t ready for a “relationship”. I laid down very clearly both in writing and verbally that I wanted no such thing as I wasn’t ready for that with her and I had specially said I wanted us to take our time specifically because of her tendency to flightiness and run away avoidance mentality. I literally said “I am your friend and FWB. That’s what we agreed on and what I said”. She acknowledged this and a month …
/r/seduction19/05/22 10:19 PM
3

Yeah I have certainly gotten this message from women I was actively having sec with and it was simply a familiarity and appreciation. My girl actually sends me things like this or says it in person all the time. It is all about context and the individual situation.
/r/seduction19/05/22 10:14 PM
1

Make sure you drive her there and back in your vehicle. Your’s is known in the. Righ or hood so it isn’t likely to be broken into. Hers on the other hand has a high likelihood of that happening. It would really blow your good time if she walked out to that in the morning.
/r/seduction19/05/22 06:21 PM
22

What are you, nine years old? Playing keep away? Come on man.
/r/seduction19/05/22 06:15 PM
2

Head over heels for your wallet homie.
/r/seduction19/05/22 06:07 PM
1

Yeah. I know middle aged women doing the tik tok thing. Grow the fuck up.
/r/seduction19/05/22 06:07 PM
2

Shit tests are either extremely low value women (ghetto, “baddies” or simply looking for a meal ticket) or ones that are frankly immature regardless of calendar age. It’s an automatic C ya for me.
/r/seduction19/05/22 06:06 PM
2

Be careful with push pull without experience. It can backfire horribly on you really quickly if you apply it at the wrong time.
/r/seduction19/05/22 03:34 PM
3

So you are essentially answering your own questions here. You headline saying you want a LTR/GF. Then you proceed to say that you are just trying to have fun and not get too attached. Then you go further and state these are all Tinder hookups with a bunch of sexual banter as the build up. So let’s dissect this. You basically do EVERYTHING that any guy would do to get laid as quickly as possible. You out out a vibe of casual/fuckboi. And you are surprised when you catch women who just want to get…
/r/seduction19/05/22 03:31 PM
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I’ll add after his response that not being an asshole and a smart ass and grappling on legitimate answers given with thought and detail would probably go a long way for anyone. I’ll be honest, I see a LOT of these type of posts here followed by good answers and detailed ideas of how to work on yourself and improve your outcomes. Then the response is some shitty “Wah poor me that doesn’t help me I want a MAGIC FUCKING FIX”. I’m sorry but there is no damn shortcut. There is no way to take a lump O…
/r/seduction19/05/22 02:40 PM
2

Precisely correct. My buddy whose 6’7” but about a 7-7.5 looks wise thinks he’s gods gift to women. And he is constantly bitching about how he doesn’t understand why he only gets women who are average and older going for him and I score young hot women at 6’3”, great looks and super social.
/r/seduction18/05/22 11:23 PM
1

Yeah it’s always a nice thing to have around. The intimacy also creates a closeness with women friends that otherwise would not exist.
/r/seduction18/05/22 10:33 PM
1

It is entirely possible that’s he had either considered that conversation as private and personal or she said it while under the influence. Either way it would be a situation of embarrassment compounded by your now showing interest only because she knows you found out about her statement. If you want to try to recover this pay attention to the guy above you here and try to get to a place of a private conversation about this and get things out in the open. It may not happen or work but it’s worth…
/r/seduction18/05/22 06:27 PM
1

I have on and off FWB’s for many years that I still see when I’m not involved with someone else.
/r/seduction18/05/22 06:01 PM
2

This is the way. My girl is gorgeous and gets hit on constantly. She likes that validation attention and I am not jealous so could care less because at the end of the night we go home together. She chose me.
/r/seduction18/05/22 05:52 PM
1

I see. We’ll keep in mind that because he is that much older than you he might just reject you anyway on his own principles and nothing to do with you. He may have a daughter your age or older (I have two myself 28 and 26) and feel weird about it. He may just not be attracted. Heck he might be gay for all you know! Just don’t take it personal.
/r/seduction18/05/22 05:42 PM
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Especially all the age gap critics! My girl and I are 51/33 and I catch endless shit on Reddit. But like this young ADULT WOMAN my wanted, came after and landed me not the other way around. Her CHOICE.
/r/seduction18/05/22 05:31 PM
3

Bitter much?
/r/seduction18/05/22 05:29 PM
2

Yeah that’s a very good opener.
/r/seduction18/05/22 05:26 PM
8

I am a 51 m and I will agree with the above and add a bit. I date younger - sometimes much younger. My current situation-ship girl is 33. I have played in the recent past with young women down to your age range. Something to keep in mind is that it is highly unlikely that you will be able to have an actual “relationship” beyond FWB. There just aren’t commonalities because of the age gap. But that’s ok. From your perspective it is highly likely that he will be a much more experienced and attentiv…
/r/seduction18/05/22 05:25 PM
8

I had one like this off Bumble a few months back. Hey we all get a lucky hit sometimes. But don’t start thinking that this is some kind of norm off OLD because it is the exception.
/r/seduction18/05/22 04:57 PM
4

This is the way.
/r/seduction18/05/22 04:51 AM
0

Guess you just want to really take that donkey dick up your shitter right fat boy? Into animals. Got it. Right in your post!
/r/seduction18/05/22 03:44 AM
1

You’ve got a big mouth for a fat boy hiding behind the internet. But then that’s not much surprise considering you need a large pipe to fill that belly.
/r/seduction18/05/22 03:42 AM
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Yeah. There are a few appropriate times to pull back or cool things off. This is not one I would try. If the sex is good and we are both into it, I am escalating the he’ll out of things and making sure that she is thinking about the next time every day.
/r/seduction17/05/22 11:53 PM
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There is a vast difference between cold approach in a decent, normal and gentlemanly fashion, and being an aggressive asshat and harassing women. I think you’re getting a little sensitive in your special spots with your post OP. I don’t see hardly anyone here saying that you should not cold approach in an appropriate way. I do see others and myself criticizing the overly aggressive and PUA based crap.
/r/seduction17/05/22 11:03 PM
0

Please explain that. I am with an adult woman with a professional career that owns her own home. You are likely drooling over pre teens in the park and dropping your half melted super sundae all down your gut.
/r/seduction17/05/22 10:37 PM
0

Ok chubby.
/r/seduction17/05/22 10:33 PM
2

When I first started hanging around this sub last year, I would post about how (at the time just out of a year and a half relationship) when I went out, I was not approaching or anything. I would wait for the women who were interested or giving an obvious invitation and only bother with those. The results? I had an almost ZERO rejection rate. I would regularly get laid - not only after a bit but right out of the venue that night. I was getting hit on and approached by much younger women (my girl…
/r/seduction17/05/22 10:33 PM
3

This right here. My current girl took my phone and programmed her full name and number in five minutes after we met “to make sure that you remember me and I don’t lose you”.
/r/seduction17/05/22 09:36 PM
1

I have been through two divorces where the ex wife tried to use my child to be a playing chip. The first I was very young and ended up taking the step back route to keep her from making my daughter a bargaining chip or a prize in the middle of her anger. The second she made the mistake of trying to take more than she was allowed and I had the experience, wisdom and skill by that time to turn the judge against her by illustrating her selfishness bs my selflessness in regards to my son. I won in b…
/r/seduction17/05/22 09:34 PM
10

All my life I have been tremendously successful with women. I grew up with string female role models that showed the correct way to interact without playing games or abusing their partners and taught me and my brother to be good male partners. Most of my closest friends are women. Most of the people I hang out with regularly are women. My girl and I? Best friends as well as lovers. And we have many times said that no matter what happens between us romantically we will never not be the best of fr…
/r/seduction17/05/22 08:11 PM
3

The key is to always keep your child’s interest first nonmatter what. Even if the other party is difficult or causes strife, as king as you always clearly make it about your child’s needs, you will always come out ahead and find the support of authority (court, etc.) when the other person turns petty and shitty.
/r/seduction17/05/22 08:05 PM
2

Absolutely correct. I used to think the other way but now I realize that this is an excellent measure of how she is going to respect YOU and all the things about you and your life that you come to things with.
/r/seduction17/05/22 08:03 PM
1

Hmmm I’m a little surprised at that. Usually at that point and that happening you should be pretty much golden unless you have rotten teeth or bad breath going but she wouldn’t notice that after shots anyway. You mostly lose your sense of smell first. I will absolutely say you are correct. The “get to bed” point is going to be completely different with every single girl. My current one needs to invite. She been through SA by being drugged. So I NEVER push or instigate. She will so I don’t need t…
/r/seduction17/05/22 08:26 AM
1

Yeah that makes it rough. And thanks for the offer! I’d love to go there. Just not sure when. Travel plans have suddenly changed tonight. My oldest daughter is getting married so I have to focus on that.
/r/seduction17/05/22 08:19 AM
1

I’m gonna stop answering this line because it’s confusing things. I typed a king detailed answer in the other one. Stick to that. But honestly I’m going to bed now because I gotta get up in five hours and do surgery.
/r/seduction17/05/22 08:17 AM
2

Exactly what I stated at the top of my comment. “Cool I wasn’t in the dating market anyway I just thought we could hang out no mean if we are going to be Friends with benefits there’s a friends part too right?” I literally ran that on my girl when we stayed out because we had that convo about neither of us was ready for a relationship (ironically still aren’t but we act like we are married most of the time - go figure) but we had something very special and we LOVED fucking each other. Like we st…
/r/seduction17/05/22 08:16 AM
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Ok so let’s say you get rejected in that scenario. And you do what I advised and walk away but three girls over - Whoa! This cute girl looks up and smiles at you. So you kind of catch yourself and literally backtrack (like walk backwards like a damn goof ball! Women like dorky and not taking yourself too seriously ) and then strike up a convo and ideally work right to dancing. Failing that go drinks if she’s ready. I don’t subscribe to not biking chicks drinks. I do and I don’t expect ANYTHING f…
/r/seduction17/05/22 08:10 AM
0

I don’t know how it is there to be a local or at least national there. Yea I actually go out more often alone than with others. And when I do go out with someone I much prefer a wing woman to man. It makes an automatic challenge tk other women and all my friends I go out with are attractive. Otherwise I go group. It’s very easy that way. Much easier to come out of a group than to break into one. Right now I have a girl. And together we are actually intimidating. We have a super bonded powerful m…
/r/seduction17/05/22 07:54 AM
1

I can’t seem to get across to you that you must seriously project man. I am getting like super negative and outright nasty vibe through a god damn internet post! How do you think a woman is feeling the second something in the convo goes sideways or you perceive it to? Does that make it clearer? I wouldn’t even keep talking to you in person for more than thirty seconds if you came at me with that sarcastic smart ass tone.
/r/seduction17/05/22 07:49 AM
1

First what I posted was a smart ass remark that if you REALLY wanted to show her up, literally fucking turn to her friend and hit that girl up. I meant it as a smart ass response to the OP. And actually I have done that before and a couple times a shit in the dark hit the target. I will say that it was a target that obviously also had interest so it wasn’t a blind shot. As far as how you dint get rejected I told you I cannot answer that any more than anyone can but that doesn’t mean you don’t ke…
/r/seduction17/05/22 07:42 AM
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Nope. My friends and acquaintances and myself always find them going out to places and actively finding them IRL. I don’t bother with dating apps after my first time over there. It was wasted time that I could’ve been out and directly interacting with women that were actively interested in meeting up.
/r/seduction17/05/22 07:36 AM
1

Ah I see. My friends that have visited there have expressed that they have found the women quite charming and eager. But again we are talking mostly Americans and those of us who travel to Europe generally are known to have money and there are other attractions of being a foreigner.
/r/seduction17/05/22 07:25 AM
1

Well actually if your writing style and tone are any clue I’d say that they sensed your shitty attitude. I mean I’m not trying to get into an internet fight man. I’m telling you that through this fucking screen you just turned and unloaded your shit attitude on me when all I did was offer some advice that would hopefully help some fellows recover from an episode that mayn’t just cannot handle and would destroy their night and weekend. Try not being a dick and projecting THAT. Maybe then next tim…
/r/seduction17/05/22 07:21 AM
1

I’d flip that back and say “well I’m ok with just being FWB’s if you are”. Sometimes - and not always - a push aggression in an offhand way is the way. This is how I got my current girl and my FWB prior to her. I wasn’t in a “dating” or relationship place. I wanted to enjoy my single life. I laid ground tiles with simple and straightforward statements and let the chips fall.
/r/seduction17/05/22 07:18 AM
2

Yeah I tried it in a couple of countries in Eastern Europe as an American visiting. Poland was one. I scored everyplace I went. But not with OLD. And not every night. It was hit or miss. And Sunday and usually Monday and Tuesday we’re just as bad as they are here in the states. Is Romania also heavy Catholic like Poland or Eastern Orthodox? Edit: one thing I have found when traveling for work anywhere is to target hotel bars and look for women doing the same. It puts you in a higher end state of…
/r/seduction17/05/22 07:12 AM
1

How in the world could I do that? I don’t know you. I’ve never been standing there when you are out somewhere watching you approach women. How could I prove that a suggestion for a rebound off a rejection approach will work for YOU?
/r/seduction17/05/22 07:08 AM
1

Sounds like you might be in Poland. The “very conservative” comment rings with what I found and was told when I was there. Your best bet there or anywhere else highly conservative in that area is simply to go out wherever you are and find interested and willing women.
/r/seduction17/05/22 07:06 AM
7

Well you do realize that he is just selling his PUA bullshit site, right? It’s way too much garbage there and I was completely done reading at telling someone “I don’t think we match well”. That’s that Neg bullshit and mostly it will backfire on you. I really wish the kids would block these guys off here they are so annoying.
/r/seduction17/05/22 07:03 AM
1

Of course you can. You can get rejected at any time for any reason. And if you go into any approach with that in the front of your mind? I guarantee that you will be rejected. But going in with the attitude that you are going to win and get her? Big difference and most often very successful.
/r/seduction17/05/22 06:11 AM
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Yeah if that was the case I wouldn’t be pulling 9.5+ women who gave their shit together. And you’re still fat. But keep starving yourself and hoping that’s gonna work. You’ll need to do it til you die or you’ll just blow up to blimpie range. Too bad you’re not lucky like me being naturally tall and lean and muscular.
/r/seduction17/05/22 04:24 AM
29

Well played and a great example of how to just socially interact and allow your opportunities to come up on their own and then be alert to seize them.
/r/seduction16/05/22 05:32 PM
2

Lol I don’t. But then I’m 51 and look far younger. You can compare in a sense. The majority of women my age who look good and young and are fit (my requirements) are usually looking to cougar and grab a younger guy. Online I don’t lie about my age so they will usually not match. But IRL it gets me cracked up how many come on hardcore then when they find out my age get weird and back off. Just had this three nights ago with a 47 year old. We had a great banter and groove. Nonissues and the sexual…
/r/seduction16/05/22 05:21 PM
1

You’re funny. Besides the fact that she is a professional that owns her own home, she came after me. Some of us aren’t fat kids.
/r/seduction16/05/22 04:03 PM
1

Our business not yours. And jealous much?
/r/seduction16/05/22 03:09 PM
2

Well yesterday she came out with me to a party and seemed totally her normal loving self and we were all fine. She just gets in these mental fugues because she’s very hard in herself and self depreciating. She made me promise yesterday keep being positive for her and help her to stop doing that to herself.
/r/seduction16/05/22 06:17 AM
5

Oh I get that. I am my own biggest critic. But for me, I separate this from that. My girl is the same way. Super self critical. But yet intellectually is well aware she is gorgeous. Different channels.
/r/seduction16/05/22 03:28 AM
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But that’s it right there. You channel THOSE aspects of yourself. I’m head and shoulders above the crowd. I adapt that attitude. I’m really fucking good at what I do. I channel that casual competence and massive skill set and then I also utilize it and my familiarity with the medical field to have conversation. Just a couple examples.
/r/seduction16/05/22 03:03 AM
3

Oh yeah I get that. There’s an age difference (51/33) so that’s a factor that she’s still maturing. She really is though. She’s working a lot on herself right now because she let herself go over the winter and we were partying too much. But we are still just fine and she’s not looking or interested in anyone else. She just wants to be in her right place and needs time to now that she isn’t going to lose herself and what she wants from life. She doesn’t want to marry or have kids. At all. Yet she…
/r/seduction16/05/22 03:01 AM
8

Ah that is the right question. Seduction is it looked at right here. What most people are actually talking about is ATTRACTION. And that is a very different thing. If attraction is it there then all the seduction in the world is worthless. Attraction is her agreeing to talk to you when you approach. Then seduction takes over as she had now opened the door for you to escalate.
/r/seduction16/05/22 02:50 AM
2

Well played sir!
/r/seduction16/05/22 02:48 AM
8

Never assume. Never let the passion die. Never take for granted. The second you do any of this, you have signed your own warrant. You might as well pack it in and move in because you aren’t getting that good attention back from her at that point. It’s already moved on to another subject. And on that note, when it’s done, it’s done. I don’t mean if there’s a little cool off and you pull back and remind her you have options and a life and you aren’t going to be her 24/7 validation source. I mean w…
/r/seduction16/05/22 01:13 AM
100

Lmao I cannot argue with this because it’s happened to me more than once.
/r/seduction16/05/22 12:58 AM
16

The sad and harsh truth. Struggling with this with my girl because while we love each other, she is not ready to accept the depth of the emotion and let go. And that keeps me being leery as well.
/r/seduction16/05/22 12:58 AM
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Bingo! She knows either as soon as she sees you or as soon as she interacts/talks with you if you are a potential sex partner or not. Read the body language and you will see it within 30-180 seconds at the outside. She will either open up and be inviting you to escalate, or she will will close down and you’re done. And this holds true even when you are together with a woman and have had had on the regular. Just had this last night with my girl. She hasn’t drank in a month and wanted a party nigh…
/r/seduction16/05/22 12:56 AM
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Add to that if you have a negative attitude or a negative outlook “oh man I’m gonna fail” you will fail. Women are far more perceptive than us about this and they can sense it. Always come with an attitude of positivity, I am the prize here and she’s gonna love me and it will change your outlook and results tremendously.
/r/seduction16/05/22 12:27 AM
2

I had this happen at a concert three nights ago. Flip is I was with MY girl and I am not interested. It was something that fortunately I realized what she was doing because she had started out with a lot of looks and then slowly dancing back into me. My girl just thought that she and her friend were drunk and being obnoxious. I knew different. But I think my girl clued in about halfway through after we had moved back or away multiple times and she kept dancing closer each time again. At that poi…
/r/seduction14/05/22 07:40 PM
3

Ignore it. Be dominant. Get the deed done and hook up or cut her loose. Out yourself back in the drivers seat with things. You cannot win at this kind of fame. It’s a woman game and you aren’t equipped to play it. So just don’t play.
/r/seduction14/05/22 07:36 PM
0

It depends on what “this” is.
/r/seduction14/05/22 07:28 PM
1

Thanks man! She was originally going to finish it the other night for the concert we went to. But she isn’t where she wants to be yet in her fitness and weight loss goal so she made a contract with herself to make it through til June and her goal. I am very proud of her and 110% supportive. And it’s even tougher for her because she likes to be social but is terribly anxious and needs to be able to drink as a social lubricant. The other night was really rough for her but she stuck it out like a t…
/r/seduction14/05/22 06:21 PM
1

I ever said any different about the ultimate outcome. As a matter of fact I specifically agreed that it’s totally not acceptable and he should chop both out of his life. However read the whole post. There are some defined areas that I can see would lead to this happening in the end. The whole thing about being a DD. Who the fuck bothers with that if you are going to a friends house party? Especially your “best friend”? I go to house parties at one of my best friends home almost every weekend. Sh…
/r/seduction14/05/22 06:12 PM
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Or open one that I had already eyed. Being aware of your surroundings and what is going on it’s not too difficult to spot another one that you had interest in. It’s also a booster if she saw you talking to another girl already because you can slide that into “oh she’s just a friends sister/acquaintance/whatever” and you score points as being a guy that girls talk to and interact with. Turn the negative situation into a positive one.
/r/seduction14/05/22 06:05 PM
1

Hey you know what? You’re right. But funny thing, I never said he needs to drink. What I asked was if he is a non drinker. And then I went on to explain that it probably won’t work out to well on the future for him to get with girls who drink. Especially ones who like to party hard and get blasted. It will end up in this kind of situation again and won’t do him any good. My girl right now is in a month and a half detox and not drinking until June as a part of it. So she just doesn’t go to the pa…
/r/seduction14/05/22 06:03 PM
2

No especially if he was surrounded by a pack of drunk people. And to add, that may have well been what made her finally lose interest.
/r/seduction14/05/22 05:55 PM
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Yeah. I got this. Older chick. I was the DD (creating a role but didn’t mention any others so DD for a chick you’re with and bringing to YOUR friends?!). She basically told me I was lame and ti fuck off she’s crashing with another guy. I actually cannot totally blame his buddy for being an opportunist even. He handed this shit to him on a platter basically. I cannot imagine ANY scenario where I take a woman to a party and don’t drink. Because I basically just wouldn’t go if I had like some medic…
/r/seduction14/05/22 03:07 PM
4

This was exactly where I went. I haven’t officially DD’ed or asked anyone to since high school. I’m an adult professional man. There are lots of options. Get a damn Uber if you really want to get home. Shit! I slept in my car last night after I left the last bar from my friends because I was shitfaced. Woke up about forty minutes ago and drive home. Taking a couple hours nap here in a minute so I’m refreshed to go paddle boarding later.
/r/seduction14/05/22 02:57 PM
1

Sorry all of it in general. I don’t get the sense that it was serious with OP and then”friend” is likely a player and sensed that and as it was his house and she obviously had interest enough to blow off OP and stay, and then do him as well. She just had a party opportunity and took it.
/r/seduction14/05/22 02:54 PM
3

You are walking away from the one who turned you down. You go by another you are interested in. You start to pass then stop and look back at her again after looking at her when you pass (double take). Then you go back and open with the new girl.
/r/seduction14/05/22 02:47 PM
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I can guess that this was the case from the way it played out and the behavior of OP. The DD/not drinking thing for a house party is pretty fucking lame and if people were there and getting crash trashed at a house party he probably looked pretty lame.
/r/seduction14/05/22 02:40 PM
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That brings up my question. If he is really your “best friend” and the option to crash was available, why the fuck did you need to even be DD? I’m not going to argue for a second anything told you you so far. This is a huge betrayal by both and cutting them out of your life at this point is the appropriate response. But dude! Are you a non drinker? Because otherwise I can absolutely guarantee that this will happen to you again any time you get involved with a girl who DOES drink. She wanted to p…
/r/seduction14/05/22 02:38 PM
3

More than I can possibly remember. Edit: sorry I was out drinking when I answered and waiting for a woman I had opened to get back for the ladies room so only time for a quick response. When approaching a group of girls it’s rare that I don’t find more than one attractive and interesting. So often if the first target declines I will subtly shift my attention to another in the group.
/r/seduction14/05/22 06:26 AM
2

Lmao! That’s about it. She treats me like a husband now.
/r/seduction14/05/22 03:48 AM
1

It’s very top 1% oriented because US women have an overly high opining of themselves.
/r/seduction14/05/22 02:44 AM
6

Just kind of start going by and then do a double take. Go back. Approach.
/r/seduction14/05/22 01:41 AM
1

Yeah OLD is much better for you over there. I had a pretty easy time with it and high success just visiting.
/r/seduction14/05/22 01:02 AM
5

Smile. Be nice. Banter and be witty. Make small talk but allow things to get a touch personal to show you are a human being. Be kind. Don’t be needy but be willing to let him be a gentleman for you. Make your intentions clear and don’t play games. Don’t be gold diggy. I know you’re young, but if you cannot afford to cover your own tab or pay your own way at least, don’t expect a man to do it for you. My girl is 33 and I have had to work hard to retrain her to understand that just because I pay f…
/r/seduction14/05/22 01:01 AM
3

True that. I’m just way more selective. I can be.
/r/seduction14/05/22 12:25 AM
1

Just to clarify when I said “tools” I was talking about obnoxious over the top behavior not looks or build.
/r/seduction14/05/22 12:04 AM
3

I guess it maybe has to do also with where you are insofar as OLD goes. I have notes that when I travel to larger cities my hit rate goes way up. Same for Europe. And a lot of the success stories for OLD here seem to almost always come out of NYC. And thanks. And I hear you as far as what it takes is definitely not anything extreme but more based upon you and who you are. As a skinny younger guy I pulled tons of prime women including gorgeous wives who gave me children simply based on personalit…
/r/seduction14/05/22 12:01 AM
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I say thanks and walk away. You get bonus points if you go to a nearby girl and get her talking to you. Super bonus if you take her home. Magic fucking jewel is turning to rejection girls friend, hooking her up and then taking her home. That’s the crown king!
/r/seduction13/05/22 10:46 PM
1

Yeah could happen in theory. The chick I was banging as a fuck buddy before I met my girl now? Her younger sister (she is 28 sis is 25) has always had the hots for me. Ran into at the bar three weeks ago and her dude left to take a friend home and she was all over me and if he hadn’t come back I would have had to take her home and fend her off at the same time.
/r/seduction13/05/22 10:29 PM
2

Lmao! Yeah I’m the one whom is feeling that! She was complaining about gaining 25 pounds. So she went from 115 to 140 on 5’6”. Her normally athletic lean curves became more enhanced. I had more tits and ass to grab onto! I wasn’t complaining. I didn’t pick up nearly the weight I had previously dumped, but I got back some and I was flabby and out of shape. The kicker and only excuse was that we both were sick a ton this past winter. Not covid just an ongoing bronchitis that for me turned to pneum…
/r/seduction13/05/22 10:13 PM
1

No I was describing a recent similar example of something I have been involved in. There are several mix and matches that can happen there. I have been the “person in a relationship” brought out to occupy the friend. I have also been occupied or had a buddy occupied. It’s all iterations of the idea of making some two people that are new feel that they have a comfort zone available.
/r/seduction13/05/22 10:10 PM
2

Oh I absolutely agree! And I’ll take it a step further. My guess would be that online has increased this a hundredfold the opposite direction!
/r/seduction13/05/22 10:06 PM
1

Bingo! It gets old sometimes when the assumptions come in and you’re like “uh, no not me.”
/r/seduction13/05/22 09:54 PM
2

While I am not fond of the terminology, the point is completely valid.
/r/seduction13/05/22 09:51 PM
3

Shit my girl and I both did this over the past winter and early spring while partying like idiots. We are both hitting the gym hard now because we do all kinds of summer our opts stuff and I want to ready for ski season next winter.
/r/seduction13/05/22 09:46 PM
6

And totally correct. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve stood and watched utter tools go woman to woman in a club until they hit the one that says yes or is drunk enough to not care.
/r/seduction13/05/22 09:44 PM
7

Exactly all of this here! My girl not drinking: socially awkward, introverted, huddling into me like I’m the last life preserver in the middle of the ocean. My girl drinking: socially comfortable and flirty. Talks to everyone and because she is truly a sweet and kind person is always nice sometimes to a fault and sending the wrong message. My girl in private with me: open, talkative so that I hardly get a word in sometimes (and I’m talking sober) and totally and completely open about everything.…
/r/seduction13/05/22 09:37 PM
2

Very well broken down.
/r/seduction13/05/22 09:33 PM
1

It is entirely possible they are with women who prefer to have their social tone with other women and these dudes provide a safe haven with lots of free time. 🤷🏻‍♂️
/r/seduction13/05/22 09:24 PM
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It is not uncommon for these women to have horrible self esteem or at least weak. I have a friend who is reasonable looking but overweight and nothing special. Women love him. Why? He has “the gift of gab” and knows how to say the things that make them feel good but not too good and want to hear more from him.
/r/seduction13/05/22 09:23 PM
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One: get the fuck out of OLD. It’s a trap to separate you from your money. I’m 9+ and in that top ten percent as a 6’3” rock hard fit guy with a professional job and money and drive a Benz. I still cannot compete with the top 1% Chads online because that’s what EVERY SINGLE WOMAN is swiping on. Two: get out. Go out. Put yourself out there. Forget about whatever is said here and use what you have and what had worked for you. Each of us has to come up with our own method and style to success. Thre…
/r/seduction13/05/22 09:20 PM
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One: get the fuck out of OLD. It’s a trap to separate you from your money. I’m 9+ and in that top ten percent as a 6’3” rock hard fit guy with a professional job and money and drive a Benz. I still cannot compete with the top 1% Chads online because that’s what EVERY SINGLE WOMAN is swiping on. Two: get out. Go out. Put yourself out there. Forget about whatever is said here and use what you have and what had worked for you. Each of us has to come up with our own method and style to success.
/r/seduction13/05/22 09:11 PM
1

That’s fully understandable and I would feel the same and have acted the same when there isn’t any definite connection. But you had already been out with her twice? That seems to me worth the effort to at least ask to see if she just had plans already that couldn’t be broken.
/r/seduction13/05/22 07:31 PM
1

But did you ask her about the following week? Just because she didn’t offer it she may not have been thinking about that since you were doing the asking.
/r/seduction13/05/22 06:12 PM
2

Yeah she has been through some stuff and I know that solidified things immediately as we have talked about that. She has also made clear along the way that while she has trusted me intuitively from the very beginning, it takes her a while to build deeper and steady trust. We have absolutely come to that place and it gets stronger all the time. She automatically locks to me as her strength and safety and steady person. I saw it the other night when we went out to the concert. Her anxiety was in f…
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:01 PM
4

Every failure is a lesson learned otherwise it’s a wasted effort.
/r/seduction13/05/22 04:54 PM
2

Ironically enough I refused sex with her the first night we met because while we both were clear - and talked about - wanting each other (we actually had a real life across the room sparks flying love at first sight meeting), she got too drunk to really consent and I just held her while we slept. We had sex the second time we got together the following weekend and she made it a point to stay sober so that I wouldn’t refuse her again.
/r/seduction13/05/22 04:53 PM
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I’ve rolled on and off with this with my girl. Part of it is because we have a “situationship” because neither of us wants a hard commitment at this point. We love each other and we have slept together many times. It’s just where we are both at. Not other people either. We became clear on that months ago. Right now she is in a detox and purge and weight loss/tone up thing because she wasn’t feeling right about herself. I am just respecting that. But if things don’t flip back to normal at the end…
/r/seduction13/05/22 04:15 PM
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Confident persistence is being steady and straightforward but maintaining enough indifference and independence for her to see and understand that you are just fine without her or her attention. The other thing is be to very simple. Have sex with her early - immediately after first meet if possible - and at least three or more times BEFORE you show any sort of attachment at all. Once that is established you become the person in the drivers seat. There is no longer a game of withholding sex for at…
/r/seduction13/05/22 03:51 PM
3

That’s a fast way to spend a lot of money to not get laid man.
/r/seduction13/05/22 03:46 PM
2

I would absolutely listen to all of this. Older guy here and tbh up until about five years ago I literally NEVER asked a girl in a “date” in a traditional sense j til after we were fucking and together. I wasn’t being cheap or anything like that. I just never saw the point. The vast majority of women in et were night game and I was fucking them immediately. If they seemed worth it I arranged to keep fucking then and then eventually we would start doing regular things together. Most often it woul…
/r/seduction13/05/22 03:45 PM
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I get it. And do what works best for you. And mysterious does not have to be hot. Just mysterious. They can be blended too - the BS and fun combined with just enough non information to get their want to know going.
/r/seduction13/05/22 03:29 PM
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So that was just as ski season started. She’s a ski nut with a multi resort pass so she goes literally every weekend during the season. We were in touch and saw each other a couple of times but there was a big pull back from both for a month and a half. Then she hits me up just after the first of the year with “hey I really miss you I want to go to the party this coming weekend and take a ski break and spend time with you. Can you come get me on Friday on the way?” This is right after her big tr…
/r/seduction13/05/22 03:26 PM
2

Well I guess that’s just how it works. Being genuine and a little mysterious can work too. Create intrigue.
/r/seduction13/05/22 03:15 PM
2

Have you considered the fact that maybe she just has stuff to do the whole week? Like did you ask her about the following one for clarity? If she says no to that too then I’d call it a done deal. But people do have lives.
/r/seduction13/05/22 02:51 PM
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I don’t disagree. I had to do this with my girl last November when she got skittish on me all of a sudden because of her own feelings. She tried to transfer that to ME and implied that “she wasn’t ready for a commitment”. I immediately put the brakes on that and turned it to reminding her that I had clearly told her that we should let things develop in their own organically and that I had not pushed or asked or implied ANYTHING else. Then I said that at this time we were friends and FWB and what…
/r/seduction13/05/22 02:47 PM
1

Comfort zone for the ones doing their “first date” but not wanting to go it alone. Or this scenario. So two nights ago I had purchased tickets for a bigger concert locally. I had bought four as at the time (a couple months ago) I had planned on taking my girl and our friend and the guy she had just started dating. Well unfortunately that fell apart about two weeks later. This disappointed my girl because she keeps trying to matchmake our friend (who is indifferent because she is older and happil…
/r/seduction13/05/22 02:40 PM
2

Definitely you do you. If you feel that’s the case then I’m not going to sit here and say it isn’t. Not being egotistical but not lying either I’m tall and good looking. So for me there is rarely an occasion where I would have that kind of concern. But if I did I would say to either stick to going out with the ones that are less attractive, or become the funny guy and the talker in the group. Enhance something different to create attractiveness.
/r/seduction13/05/22 02:20 PM
6

Yes. You need to find that narrow path between those two - especially now.
/r/seduction13/05/22 02:16 PM
4

So you double blew it here. First you gave WAY to early an impression that you wanted “serious” before you even did the deed. That was the first mistake. Then instead of just cooling off that vibe and pulling back and letting her come back to you, you turned around and backed her into a corner by stating that you just wanted to get laid. That was actually the bigger screw up. I honestly can’t tell you if there is ANY way you are going to recover this other than what has been advised. Back off an…
/r/seduction13/05/22 02:10 PM
5

My personal trick is to let my gaze wander just enough so that she gets that I am looking at her body during the convo.
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:00 AM
5

Yeah believe it or not I am actually fighting this right now with my girl. I have catered so much to her need for “no pressure” and letting things come along organically that I’m afraid that some of the desire dropped off. Compounding this was her feeling that she’s gained a ton of weight (25 pounds but she’s adding it to about 115 on 5’6” so basically her boobs and ass got bigger lol) and felt like we and especially she was drinking way too much (she’s right for us both and over laid off too). …
/r/seduction13/05/22 04:59 AM
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This right here. This is why I am a hundred times (literally) as successful getting ONS’s as I am turning a “date” situation into either a sexual one or anything long term. Honestly I know myself and I talk too fucking much. I also - besides the diarrhea of the mouth syndrome have a moralistic need to be TOTALLY HONEST from the go. In other words I ramble on way beyond what is asked to talk about my four kids (three adults now youngest a teen), my three ex wives (one was when we were both under …
/r/seduction13/05/22 04:50 AM
2

Funny I have actually rarely ever been friendzoned. I usually do the friendzoning because of a lack of interest on my part in anything else. But I have MORE than taken advantage many times of being friends with women and meeting their friends. Usually it’s just been for casual or short term fun. But I have had a few longer dating and one year and a half relationship from this.
/r/seduction13/05/22 01:04 AM
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Yeah I’ve done this for buddies before even a few times while married. My wife at the time knew that I wasn’t going anywhere and nothing would come of it. Hell I’ve done it when I was actually WITH the other person (just did it for a concert last night - me, my girl, our friend and her guy interest) and we just would playlist off like we were just starting out or meeting each other.
/r/seduction13/05/22 01:00 AM
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Don’t kid yourself about that for a second! I am very open and will hang out with all different types of people. But IF I am going out with a guy friend with a goal of a definite score for the night? I will absolutely only go out with another good looking tall friend. Together we have a huge magnified advantage.
/r/seduction13/05/22 12:58 AM
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There’s a distinct difference however between handling rejection and moving on with class and dignity, and turning to the right or left and hitting in the next girl standing there. I watched several fellows doing the latter on the dance floor last weekend at a local popular spot. On made the mistake of drunkenly moving on to the girl I was dancing and grinding with. I had a few choice words for him and he moved on - to the next girl over who was also already dancing with a guy. It was a sad spec…
/r/seduction13/05/22 12:55 AM
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There’s a lot of good answers already so I won’t repeat that stuff. As for a right now answer, we are already well into spring. The few available ones are likely already pigeonholed by a guy. I’ve been seeing this out and around for about three weeks now. Give it til the end of May - when most places have warmed up significantly- and it’s bound to shift.
/r/seduction08/05/22 03:25 PM
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Who said anything about living with? I don’t do that anymore. I like you space and my home the way I want it. I don’t need anyone telling me how to do things. That makes it a lot easier.
/r/seduction08/05/22 04:32 AM
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Well good luck.
/r/seduction08/05/22 03:49 AM
3

While this is in the extreme range and mostly happens if you allow it, it is common. The answer of course is to not get married. Don’t be in a contractual situation. I live in a month to month manner. I can move in at any time and will. It keeps things much fresher.
/r/seduction08/05/22 03:47 AM
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Just know that most women on FB get the shit bombed out of them by thirsty guys and have a very low tolerance even when they post that kind of stuff.
/r/seduction08/05/22 03:24 AM
0

Short answer is no unless it’s FB dating which as far as I’m concerned the jury is still out.
/r/seduction08/05/22 03:16 AM
3

English please. That makes no sense.
/r/seduction08/05/22 02:39 AM
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Petite is body type actually. Dad had a retail store than a wholesale business for sixty years. Mom was a model and did his fashion buying. I was a retail manager in every department. I know what petite means and it has nothing to do with height. My girl is 5’6” and weighs about 110 pounds soaking wet. I can literally wrap one arm all the way around her and touch myself easily. She’s petite. I have been with many girls under 5’4” that are small build but not petite. My ex wife comes to mind. A s…
/r/seduction08/05/22 01:15 AM
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Funny I was kinda at a loss a while back between things and couldn’t settle on anything I liked. Then my ex bought the Gucci for me because she really liked it and was picky. And I just kind of got used to it then branched out to the other two. And I have to correct myself. The three are Pour Homme (everyday), Guilty (the one she started me with and the one my current girl loves) and the third is NOT Gucci but rather Dolce and Gabbana’s The One Gentleman.
/r/seduction08/05/22 12:32 AM
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Yeah. Funny thing is my girl wanted to take this past month detoxing and getting into summer shape. So I’ve done the same myself. She also needed to work on her head space and get out of the every weekend party mode. I fully support it and have been very good about letting her do her thing. And I’ve done mine as well and feel much better now and happier with myself.
/r/seduction07/05/22 10:23 PM
0

So I have basic Gillette aftershave gel. Then for cologne I have three types that I alternate between depending on occasion, whom I am with or anticipating being with, or what impression I want to make. Oh and I have a matched scent body wash so it doesn’t conflict with the aftershave. Again that is base general man scent. All three I have come to use for many years are Gucci. They have a great range in the mens scents that give you options and are not overwhelming. The basic por homme is my eve…
/r/seduction07/05/22 10:16 PM
15

This sounds like an excellent way to get permanently banned from a club and quite possibly arrested in the process.
/r/seduction07/05/22 06:57 PM
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The only advantage I feel my height gives me is that I stand out being head and shoulders above most of the crowd and that I can see everything better. Otherwise people have preferences. Just like I prefer petite and athletic women. And I don’t care what their height is - although I have found that below about 5’2” gets challenging for dancing. But not impossible.
/r/seduction07/05/22 05:49 PM
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That probably would have failed anyway. This feels like fatty is a guardian. She is not letting the other girl get any further than some dancing. My approach here would be to subtly involve her but not overdo it. Some inclusive convo but not anything that seems to show direct interest in her (this is an easy fuck up the you screw up everything). Dancing “together” with both. But showing your obvious interest in the one while it excluding. It comes back to at the bare minimum getting contact info…
/r/seduction07/05/22 05:46 PM
1

Good that you recognized this. It was my first thought as well. Number. Or for your age group her Snap or IG (you are a year older than my son and he has told me this is the way now for your age group). I’ll add a couple of pointers here. You mentioned throwing the fat one a bone. That’s ok but nothing too obvious or extreme. Fatty knows she’s with hottie and is her “guardian”. You aren’t getting that much separation to get off in the corner. She’s not gonna let it happen. Lucking into the right…
/r/seduction07/05/22 05:42 PM
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That online dating and social media have gone a long way to ruining normal human interaction and have reduced options tremendously in the dating game. It’s funny too because coming out of covid it was like there was this huge sudden rush of people out. It was literally like drowning in women everywhere and everyone was seeming desperate to make up for lost time. But since around mid February everything seems to be (in my area at least) the same damn people over and over everywhere. And if you ar…
/r/seduction07/05/22 05:10 PM
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Yeah gotta say I’m pretty up there at 6’3” and I usually wear cowboy boots going out so that puts it up to 6’5” or more. Most of the time it’s nice because you get easy attention and can be seen. There is also an absolute factor for a lot of women. But on the flip side there is a good sized group that are intimidated. And for me I prefer petite/athletic girls and there are more than a few that get out off by me being so tall.
/r/seduction07/05/22 05:05 PM
3

I’ve been a single dad for a long time. It’s not bad at all and I don’t have to answer to anyone but me.
/r/seduction07/05/22 05:01 PM
3

Good job and very mature attitude and perspective for your age. Kudos to you man!
/r/seduction05/05/22 04:50 AM
1

No just a scam basically.
/r/seduction05/05/22 01:16 AM
1

I cannot honestly tell you how to be fast thinking on your feet. That’s a skill you either have or do not. You can try to have several possibles responses in mind to be prepared but it will come off odd or canned. I’d say just take your time and let it roll to the next thing but try to control the conversation there.
/r/seduction04/05/22 01:31 PM
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It’s great when you just want to get laid or be casual. I turn this shit off when it is a quality woman I want to be serious with.
/r/seduction04/05/22 05:19 AM
1

Yeah you are correct in that. It’s not rookie or novice territory for sure.
/r/seduction04/05/22 04:20 AM
1

There isn’t going to much going over my head since I am older by half than most of the guys hanging around this sub. I’ve been playing the game longer than most have been alive. I also know that a sucker is born every minute. That “essay” simply leads to an ending where he recommends that you go to his You Tube where he will then sell you on his “course” on how to be a PUA. It’s bullshit and he’s making money so he can hire women. What little there is of value there is mostly useless to newbies …
/r/seduction04/05/22 01:49 AM
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Because they likely aren’t - as has been pointed out. Selling PUA garbage helps no one.
/r/seduction04/05/22 01:16 AM
2

You’re welcome. Good luck!
/r/seduction04/05/22 12:32 AM
3

This. These guys don’t actually get women. They are just jealous you are speaking to one. Go with the flow, so you and go from your own situation read. Usually your gut will tell you the right thing and there are always recoveries if it isn’t.
/r/seduction04/05/22 12:31 AM
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It’s fine. She is likely just embarrassed or doesn’t know how to react.
/r/seduction04/05/22 12:30 AM
2

Ultimately I didn’t want to tell you the standard “you have to build up your self confidence” line. But the fact is that you do. And one of the ways you do that? Grab the bull by the horns man. Nobody is going to do it for you, wave a damn magic wand and you are suddenly Captain smooth or anything else like that. I’m a big dork. No matter how smooth and polished I have become this far along in life, like any human being I have a spectacular capacity to stick my foot into my mouth right up to the…
/r/seduction03/05/22 11:24 PM
4

Don’t take anyones shit. Have an opinion and have it be truthful and fact based. And don’t be afraid to admit if you are wrong but don’t lose confidence because of that. Take the lead. The vast majority of women are followers even when they are adamant about their “independence”. They will generally automatically fall in line even as they play at resisting and countering you. It’s actually quite amusing to watch. My girl is a spot on perfect example. Miss independent all the time but when it’s t…
/r/seduction03/05/22 09:24 PM
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No you have my upvote because you are correct. This is nothing more than initial marketing of his program in a perceived desperation crowd. There is nothing here of specific value to individuals who are not top ten percenters. I find that when I give specific answers to people with specific questions about their own situation and challenges, that is what is helpful.
/r/seduction03/05/22 09:11 PM
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More like trolling for sales. Have a downvote.
/r/seduction03/05/22 09:07 PM
1

Ok
/r/seduction03/05/22 04:25 PM
1

Could be. Who knows? But it’s a shallow meet. He chatted her up off Instagram. It’s not seeming too deep to me.
/r/seduction03/05/22 03:37 PM
5

This is the way.
/r/seduction03/05/22 01:41 AM
1

Oh this from IT dork boy who somehow thinks that he is some kind of gift to women? I saw the insulting way you talk about women who approach you that “aren’t to your standards”. Who’s the incel dude? You have some serious issue with women dude. Serious issues. This one is attractive but too much for you to handle. The other one was ugly and badly dressed with acne and shouldn’t have approached you. And all this and yet no pictures of yourself. Sounds to me like you’re just full of bullshit reall…
/r/seduction03/05/22 01:01 AM
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Read the post again. I said I’d tone it down and handle the situation. Not freak out because she’s aggressive or goofy acting. A mature man can handle any situation without losing his shit. And immature man loses it when he’s out of control.
/r/seduction03/05/22 12:38 AM
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Funny how your passive aggressive nature shows through in unfounded and asinine darts thrown at my character. Quite typical of not actually being able to respond with an actual fact based counterpoint. “She attacked me”. Seriously? This makes complete sense out of your passive aggressiveness in the manner that you came at me. What adult man cannot handle something so simple as an over enthusiastic woman who is actually interested enough to allow you to take her off privately and drink together? …
/r/seduction03/05/22 12:37 AM
5

Couldn’t have said it better myself. I’ll add that they can also sense when you’re not truly into it. I have been in a “thing” many times in life that was not exclusive but I wasn’t really into the effort when it came to meeting women. And I know from the results that I was projecting the lack of real interest.
/r/seduction02/05/22 09:26 PM
2

Yeah seduction is absolutely not just about hit it and quit it.
/r/seduction02/05/22 09:24 PM
-7

I’m older too. But honestly you’re an idiot. You had a golden opportunity to work with a truly attractive woman who was literally throwing herself at you just because she’s inexperienced and doesn’t know how to communicate properly? Wow! You just came off to every young guy here that is desperately hoping for something like that as the ultimate Chad. In your shoes, I mellow things out. I take her in hand and try to throw my personal calm and experience on those stormy waters. Most likely the gir…
/r/seduction02/05/22 09:17 PM
1

You do understand what her choice of the term “different” actually means, right? Dude is something she would never actually go for when it comes to serious stuff. Bad boy. Arrogant Chad. Muscle head. Biker. Music guy. Whatever. Basically she is one of those girls that needs to have a “boyfriend” to justify in her guilt that she just gets horny about him because of his look/build/attitude and the reality check is that he isn’t really an”boyfriend” at all but just a guy she wanted to fuck that she…
/r/seduction02/05/22 07:59 PM
1

Yeah I used to make that mistake. Now I only obtain information and I sort and digest and categorize it carefully under my own lens to whether it is useful or not. Case in point I recently had a conversation with a close friend of myself and my girl. She was making points about statements my girl had made MONTHS AGO as if it had just made said. Nothing could have been further from the truth. Finally at the end of the conversation she just said “well you guys have your relationship thing and you …
/r/seduction02/05/22 07:55 PM
3

This man gets it.
/r/seduction02/05/22 07:51 PM
13

As long as you are crystal clear in this. Don’t fool yourself about anything though and absolutely do not hold back from any other woman you are after.
/r/seduction02/05/22 07:48 PM
9

Either do or do not. Don’t speculate.
/r/seduction02/05/22 03:18 AM
1

This or move the fuck out of state and find another groove and reinvent yourself
/r/seduction01/05/22 11:37 PM
3

Actually she has been in a detox and so have I for three weeks and at least two more. Fun time mental health revive and healthy activities only. Neither of us is addictive and we both know we were playing too much over the cold months. We are outdoors active people but ski season was over. It was the tweener time.
/r/seduction01/05/22 09:48 PM
2

I’d bet on number three with number two being a distant second. And she could also have a man (woman) who wasn’t there.
/r/seduction01/05/22 07:46 PM
2

Sounds like she either 1) wasn’t into you or 2) isn’t into guys (common throughout Cali I’m here too) or 3) was buzzing or just not feeling hookup/meet people and just wanted to dance and socialize. My girl gets like this when we go out. She flirts, dances, chitter chats and comes back and forth checking in and giving affection before she buzzed off in her ADHD run around again. It’s partly how she (with the help of alcohol) overcomes her introversion and anxiety. I wouldn’t worry too much about…
/r/seduction01/05/22 07:26 PM
5

Exactly. Bad assumption. I was out the last two nights with a woman friend who I am well aware has wanted to sleep with me for some time. Circumstances have not worked out to this point. And the last two nights the first the venue sucked and it was like a geriatric fest (and we are 51 and 47!) and the second the band was flat. It completely killed and soured her mood and vibe. And both nights the second she saw me she was putting out the hard core “I want you to fuck me” vibe but it died with th…
/r/seduction01/05/22 06:50 PM
2

Pay attention. I used to think that “fashionably late” or “club time” was the way to go. Yeah that’s fine when you are going out with a group - especially a mixed one (men and women). But as a single guy especially if you go alone you want to be there early, get yourself set up in a prime position where a lot of interaction is easy, and you have a good view/perspective of everything. Don’t slam yourself drunk in the first half hour. I always start with a double tall so there is plenty of hydrati…
/r/seduction01/05/22 06:46 PM
1

Oh yeah I get that. But I’m not sure if it’s accurate or not. It’s not totally clear in reading his post. Maybe that’s just me though.
/r/seduction01/05/22 06:09 PM
1

Why do you consider yourself “average”? What are your best qualities? Do you emphasize and enhance them? Do you have a good personality? Average face great body? Great face average body? In shape? Fat? You aren’t giving any information at all so it’s going to be impossible to offer good advice.
/r/seduction01/05/22 05:37 PM
2

You’re welcome and good luck!
/r/seduction01/05/22 04:54 PM
2

Every introverted (as above socially anxious is an entirely different thing and much more difficult to overcome) person I know - make or female - generally goes the route of drinking to relax. It’s a fine line though because you can quickly get too drunk and then be super over (I had an ex that would slam several shots then do shit like climb the outside of the dancing cage st the club), or do/say goofy dorky shit that later gets you fully embarrassed and afraid to go back to the people you acte…
/r/seduction01/05/22 04:29 PM
2

“Hey so are you into wine? Great what type of girl are you, red or white? Oh very nice I really like a good buttery Chardonnay too! I’ll bring a bottle with me when I come over.” And then you sip your wine and close the physical barrier distance and escalate just the way you would with any woman.
/r/seduction01/05/22 04:22 PM
1

Well actually you are correct. We are each other’s number one choice. But I have also been since our first night meeting the only man besides her besties hubby that she totally and completely trusts and is safe with no matter what. And she is not an easily trusting person. We bonded immediately and that bond has only grown.
/r/seduction01/05/22 03:40 PM
1

I’ve gotten laid in multiple countries. I’d say only about a third of them did I have enough of the language to get by and communicate.
/r/seduction01/05/22 01:06 AM
1

That they are women 🤷🏻‍♂️
/r/seduction01/05/22 12:23 AM
1

So first WAY to fucking sterile and scientific here. Y’all fail because you are making this into some kind of fucking computer program and forgetting that you are dealing with humans. And guys definition of what a nine or ten is here are totally whacked out. Instagram “models” (read hookers)? Celebrities? Porn stars? Lmfao!!! Try great looking, fit and nicely built (depending on your preference - I like athletic petite no matter the height) but then the factors that push it up to that range are …
/r/seduction30/04/22 10:13 PM
1

It’s not. I was right at the same spot at your age though I had started a bit younger and had lived with my college GF from 19-22. You’re fine and I’m a good spot for a guy. Don’t overthink it. Enjoy what you have going and don’t overcommit if you really think she not a long term thing. But there is WAY too much worry most of the time about experience levels. My last Gf (I’m a lot older but it plays) had literally been with about 8-10 guys in her life and two were marriages and the rest at least…
/r/seduction30/04/22 10:05 PM
1

No you can easily be both. You just have to establish that you have boundaries and aren’t going to take any bullshit. I could give two shits less if my girl wants to chat up a dumb bartender for free drinks or some dumb young dudes who don’t even realize they are ten years younger than her and she’s using them. There is nothing happening so why should I worry? She also is well aware that I pull easily as good or better than her and has seen that. So she knows what she has and would never cross a…
/r/seduction30/04/22 09:58 PM
1

One of the major things that my girl loves and is attracted to about me beyond the physical and sexual part is that I am always safe and comfortable and protective of her. She also appreciates my quiet and non judgmental confidence and respect for her and her life and space. A favorite thing she always says when we are out because she dies love validation attention (she was an ugly duckling growing up and even though she is beautiful now she needs that) is “I will always be going home with you a…
/r/seduction30/04/22 09:55 PM
1

This right here. Go with the flow. What will be will be.
/r/seduction30/04/22 09:50 PM
9

Very likely. You have to learn to read the subtle hints.
/r/seduction30/04/22 09:46 PM
1

Yes quite often actually but I have come to realize that I fit into that upper ten percent given height, looks and confidence and all. So it’s made some more sense to me. Just last night I ran into one that has been glaringly obvious about her desire since the first time we met. She’s a cute, little petite attorney with a rocking tight bod. She comes right up to me and puts her arms around and plasters herself to me for several minutes “saying hello” and gently grinds herself against me. A few m…
/r/seduction30/04/22 09:45 PM
3

Read this over and over fellows. It will give you real understanding of how women think and why they act the way they do.
/r/seduction30/04/22 05:18 PM
1

Yeah OP I read this as a you dropped the ball. Sorry not trying to be a dick. But that situation she’s looking to get one in before going back to real life or BF/hubby.
/r/seduction30/04/22 05:17 PM
2

They all say that. Especially on Bumble. I had a woman I hooked up with a few times a little while back off there. I thought that she wanted serious until she said she would come over to mine the day after we started talking. Came over. We had a glass of wine and then a smoke and I was not only fucking her but fucking her in the ass within 30-45 minutes from the time she arrived. She spent the night and was a complete freak. Hooked up a couple more times. She just wanted to get down.
/r/seduction30/04/22 05:15 PM
2

Honestly it’s you do you. I have been with a lot of women but if it had turned out differently I would have been fine. While the thrill of the chase and new experiences have always been exciting, I have always been happiest and most personally and sexually satisfied when I have been in a steady long term monogamous relationship. The problem I have had is that not all of those had that ultimate level. Really only two and the others I became bored. Right now I am good with that with my current gir…
/r/seduction30/04/22 04:15 PM
1

Good luck I wish you the best!
/r/seduction30/04/22 03:00 AM
1

Be honest with her. “Look, I have made clear to you that I am really into you. I am willing to wait and be patient while you sort yourself out if I can get from you that you are also interested in pursuing that path and seeing what happens. But if you are seriously telling me that you will never be willing to commit because of some past event that is over and done? Well then we will either have to agree that we can see who we want despite our feelings (we started out with that for a few months) …
/r/seduction30/04/22 02:57 AM
1

I’m too tall.
/r/seduction30/04/22 02:04 AM
2

So I’m probably a lot older than you but I have a good and current perspective on this. You already have a shitload of shitheads here that are blowing you and your girl up with this. The funny part is that ninety plus percent of them have never even had a woman. So my girl and I are on the same path. We do everything together. We sleep together. We act like a couple all the time and everyone close to us including her and my parents just think that we are a couple. We have sex. We go on trips. We…
/r/seduction30/04/22 12:44 AM
3

Thanks! Hoping for the best but having zero expectations makes everything a pleasant surprise.
/r/seduction29/04/22 10:45 PM
4

Lol. Well sometimes she does. I’m well aware of her needs with this. It has come up before and we are both completely open with each other and up front. She was in a place where she needed to do some work on herself. We still talk every day. See each other frequently and do things together. She just needs to feel she is getting herself right and needed a mental break because of some pressures in out friend group that have since worked themselves out. This is a situation where lifetime is the eve…
/r/seduction29/04/22 10:43 PM
2

Yes we have been since we met (well one week after because she was too drunk to consent our first night together). That has been the case up until recently. She is working in some mental stuff with herself so we have stopped for a bit. We were already sexually exclusive before that for a couple months.
/r/seduction29/04/22 10:33 PM
2

There is a lot of truth here.
/r/seduction29/04/22 10:28 PM
7

Thisnis an interesting thought. I imagine that at least a certain percentage are exactly this today. But probably the vast majority are simply automatically screening any guy who knows he’s not at least that tall to ride the ride.
/r/seduction29/04/22 10:25 PM
13

It’s a lot more complex than that and I’m at work without much time. We have had this ongoing “relationship/not a relationship” that our friends clown us about for almost eight months now. We have both been damaged before by narcissists and assholes so we are both a little scared to truly “commit”. But we love each other and we do things together all the time. It’s kind of way beyond “dates”. For example we just had a five day vacation together on a road trip six hours each way in the car. But w…
/r/seduction29/04/22 03:31 PM
5

Lmao I wouldn’t be able to answer him because I am 6’3”, financially in great shape and look like I’m in my thirties at 51. And yes I get laid with no problem. But right now I’m focused on my 33 year old girl.
/r/seduction29/04/22 01:33 PM
7

And do something that involves activity and time together not money. A hike or some kind of a moderate physical activity. Some simple at an unusual out of the way little spot. A water activity since it’s warm now.
/r/seduction29/04/22 01:31 PM
52

Good lesson learned and a method that I have used successfully (including with my current girl when she has avoided actual “dates”) many many times.
/r/seduction29/04/22 05:06 AM
11

Spot on with this! I have a friend who organizes my social group. I help out a lot and often host events for her. We are good and close friends and work well together and are totally comfortable with one another. I can’t tell you how many times we have been out and I will meet a woman and they will ask me about my “wife” the little blond 🤣! Ironically enough this is normally AFTER they have danced, grinded, kissed and fondled with me.
/r/seduction29/04/22 12:56 AM
10

You known I like my fun and have certainly had more than anyones fair share of sex partners in life. But more than once I have settled down with a monogamous partner in complete happiness and not felt that I have missed anything. And I have someone now that if we get to that point I will happily do so with her for life if she will have me.
/r/seduction29/04/22 12:46 AM
20

This
/r/seduction29/04/22 12:42 AM
2

Possibly.
/r/seduction28/04/22 06:46 PM
68

Not exactly the totally accurate manner in which I thought you were heading but absolutely I have found all my life that once I am in with some women their other woman friends will feel comfortable and safe around you.
/r/seduction28/04/22 06:29 PM
7

No sex yet - she’s letting you know she’s comfortable with escalating physicality. Had sex already like you girl and me - physical comfort together. It’s that simple.
/r/seduction28/04/22 02:54 PM
2

To be clear you are speaking for yourself with your opinion. It has been shown time and again that you are really actually in the minority when it comes to initial attention and catching the continuing interest of a woman. Now if you are talking once it’s exclusive and maintaining and showing your ongoing and continued interest? That’s an entirely different situation.
/r/seduction28/04/22 02:19 AM
2

Very well stated and pretty much exactly how I handle things.
/r/seduction27/04/22 09:53 PM
7

Don’t kid yourself with this. I am 51 and the women who are 40+ today all think they are fucking teenagers or twenty somethings and are still EXACTLY like that. It’s why I mostly play younger because I figure I might as well enjoy a hot and fit younger woman who generally is not as jaded and burned by shit than out up with somebody else’s problems trying to “live her best life” now that the kiddies are grown and gone.
/r/seduction27/04/22 09:50 PM
1

Yeah or at least remind yourself of your own value/worth if you are feeling like you are too locked and not getting fair reciprocal feeling/behavior or she is in a bad place that you don’t need to be occupying with her. I had this the other night. My girl has been in a funk and it was coming out some in her actions and behavior toward me. We have not yet come to a point of fill commitment. So I was down and annoyed at first but then I stopped and thought “what do I usually do when I am not commi…
/r/seduction27/04/22 09:46 PM
5

There are a lot of ways to show effort without being needy and clingy though. There is a balance in everything.
/r/seduction27/04/22 09:41 PM
3

There is a vast difference between being indifferent when handling drama or extra/over behaviors or attention plugs, and being low effort. I am extremely attentive and I show it through my communication, behavior and relationship language. But if I am being hit with shit testing, push/pull, drama or personal issues that have no bearing on me? I retract and show indifference with only basic maintenance attention so that my message of being displeased, uncomfortable or irritated comes across in a …
/r/seduction27/04/22 09:38 PM
18

This right here. My girl (not official at this point just best friends/FWB/feelings) got into one of her mental funks after we spent seven out of nine days together on vacation and getting super tight and close. We had a little go round Sunday morning and when I realized that she was in “that place” I just let it go and said ok and pulled back. Since then we have seen each other twice. The first was a day event last Saturday. She didn’t dress up, do hair or makeup and was in a pissy mood all day…
/r/seduction27/04/22 09:34 PM
1

Honestly just try to stay interesting and feel your way by her responses. There is no one magic answer but rather learning to read the person/situation.
/r/seduction27/04/22 01:34 PM
4

Well you know what will answer your questions right? Talking to him 😁
/r/seduction27/04/22 05:28 AM
5

Good and congratulations! Keep up the good work!
/r/seduction27/04/22 04:57 AM
7

Not really unless it’s weird to you. People on Reddit make huge deals out of age gaps. Mostly because of jealousy. For a comparison I am 51 and my girl is 33. It’s not quite comparable to 25/18 but more like 27/18. He’s working at a gym. Might still be going to school even. He’s not on his life path yet so he’s still in your range. A lot of it depends on you and where you are at as well. My girl for example would be on the lowest part of my range and normally I wouldn’t even engage with most wom…
/r/seduction27/04/22 04:55 AM
2

If they are complimenting you then you look good. And that is a good thing to have the goal of being fit.
/r/seduction27/04/22 04:50 AM
17

Go old fashioned. Ask for an actual phone number. That will REALLY catch him off guard.
/r/seduction27/04/22 04:42 AM
5

This
/r/seduction27/04/22 04:41 AM
4

That’s funny. I’m 51 but look a LOT younger (except when I go to workout with my 21 year old son). There are three desk girls at my gym and one is a bit shy but still friendly and the other two are constantly chatting me up when I come in even thing they are younger than my daughters 😂!
/r/seduction27/04/22 04:41 AM
4

But ultimately it’s not only not the end of the world that it seems to be. It is a golden opportunity to poke fun at yourself, break the ice and lighten the situation. You simply pivot to “oh listen to me! That’s what a king day at work will do to you! But gotta get my work out in 😁!” It’s really that simple. If he’s into you - and if you are good looking and fit he will be - he will jump at any opportunity you give him. Unless he’s gay. Then you’re out of luck 🤷🏻‍♂️. 😉
/r/seduction27/04/22 04:38 AM
1

Well we all have our thing. For me with this particular woman it was something different. And I don’t know how old you are, but I’m 51. I’ve been married three times. Lived with several women and had hundreds of casual encounters throughout my life so my range of experience is as broad as you can possibly imagine and my manner of handling things as well. I’ve had plenty of times where I used your approach because I didn’t care and had many more on the string to move into that spot. But here’s th…
/r/seduction27/04/22 04:25 AM
2

Sorry I get pissed at my kind of quip answer. My point was that he can always SAY he is the DD for the group. That doesn’t mean that we everyone doesn’t go their own way/Uber at the end of the night. But it gives him an easy out and also makes him the good guy if he isn’t comfortable explaining why he doesn’t drink right away.
/r/seduction27/04/22 01:43 AM
1

Always tip no matter what.
/r/seduction26/04/22 11:52 PM
3

This right here. As a matter of fact it becomes a hindrance if anything and you find that you behave like an ass and way over.
/r/seduction26/04/22 11:52 PM
1

Hear hear. I have always scored best in nights of light or no drinking. My current girl and I like to party and drink but she’s on a cleanse for a few weeks and not drinking. So I told her simply I support you completely and I will and am show(ing) that by not drinking myself. It’s not hard.
/r/seduction26/04/22 11:50 PM
2

DD?
/r/seduction26/04/22 11:48 PM
2

Yeah twenty percent was pretty much exactly the number I was thinking that would be shitty about it. Those would be the every night drunk Joe’s who cannot interact without it.
/r/seduction26/04/22 11:39 PM
1

No but you have to be very careful and forthcoming about the fact that you do not drink. There are many women out there that if you are trying to hide it or act in any way suspicious about it will assume that you are up to something nefarious like trying to drug/take advantage of them. Sadly this is a common occurrence in many bars and clubs today so they have to be cautious and suspicious. Be up front and be honest and understand that there will be a certain number that will reject you out of h…
/r/seduction26/04/22 11:38 PM
68

As above. Like some (NOT ALL!) of her stuff. Make sure it’s not just sexy or such but her dog/cat, family stuff, friends hanging out or work/fun times pics. Don’t act like you are just honing in on her through her IG. She is interested but will judge how you act from here as to whether she trusted you appropriately or not and if you are going to stalk/creep her or not. So use a light touch. Mix in an occasional PM comment as well. Refer to common memories/experiences (it’s a reminder that you ha…
/r/seduction26/04/22 11:27 PM
2

This. Love yourself first. Be ok with yourself first. Be happy with yourself first. Prior project when these things are not the case and it becomes a sense of being desperate, needy and clingy that puts most people off.
/r/seduction26/04/22 10:20 PM
7

This is totally individually dependent. You can completely blow your good opportunity if you do this with the wrong girl. My current girl started out as the same terrible texter/communicator with me that she is with most people. She basically doesn’t even bother unless you hit her first for ANYONE that isn’t in her close circle. She’s also not a social media person. A lot of this comes from the fact that her job all day is communications dependent and it gets tiring and she needs to break from i…
/r/seduction26/04/22 10:18 PM
3

This here is good stuff. I’ll add that you do not have to nor should you be responding right away. Not always. Some things are time sensitive (Hey are you going to pick me up at six - and it’s 4:30). But any type of regular communication does not necessarily garner an instant or rapid response. I don’t totally agree with NOT communicating at all by text or phone beyond plans the way a lot of guys here think. I believe that there is absolutely - especially in the fast moving digital based world t…
/r/seduction26/04/22 10:12 PM
1

True that. But I’m talking that the looks are there but there’s nothing but fluff in the head. That woman literally was excited to sit and watch cartoons after sex. And she’s 28 and a mom at the time. It was not only fucking weird to have her want to seriously watch a cartoon my twelve year old had grown out of, it was kind of creepy feeling for me given the circumstances.
/r/seduction26/04/22 10:06 PM
2

I have some key things I will generally slip into conversation that while not offensive (politics/religion) do show whether or not a person has a general awareness of their world. And most of the time that can give you a pretty good clue as to whether they are of better than a barrage intelligence or not. As an example the night my girl and I first met we actually got into a conflict conversation because we work on opposite sides of a particular labor relations factor. We went round and round in…
/r/seduction26/04/22 07:10 PM
3

I used to get that as well. I have a string moral compass and was raised right. I don’t go out looking to use people or hurt them. But I also have come to the understanding that the vast majority of the humans in the world are not very intelligent and even less are reasonably educated. So it doesn’t take much - and generally it is physical/tangible things - to make them be happy or have pleasure.
/r/seduction26/04/22 05:49 PM
3

Oh absolutely. He knows that and is super cautious. I was 23 when his older sister was born and it made my road to success in life much harder. He takes to heart the lessons I have shared. He is in school getting his degrees and that is his primary focus. I just don’t want him to hurt himself and end up with zero girls. Plus he and primary girl have pretty much brought each other into their whole lives family and all and that can end up in a lot of hurt for both sides. Of course that will happen…
/r/seduction26/04/22 05:47 PM
2

Yeah I get it. But honestly that’s a factor of being high IQ and practical/emotionally intelligent as well. I know I can’t do dumb. I have to be able to have a decent convo and mutual interest that include the intellectual or it just won’t work.
/r/seduction26/04/22 05:43 PM
5

Oh yeah. Mid summer last year I was at an old hangout in a Thursday night on a lark (my bestie had come to town and we had been out with friends for beers and I was bored). It was bikini contest night and that’s always fun to watch and back when I used to frequent the place it was like free fishing day lol! So I’m sitting there with a prime seat and I go up to get a beer at the bar. Two gorgeous girls sitting there - obvious Eastern European (my heritage so I always can recognize it and they tur…
/r/seduction26/04/22 05:29 PM
3

Yeah I pretty much said this up the thread. If they prove to me they are serious about ME and not just looking for a free meal ticket, then we look at more serious. I am coaching my 21 year old son through this right now. He has one girl that is pretty high value but is still wanting to go slow to actual “relationship” status. He has become somewhat frustrated and expanded his current “stringer” to now four other women. I just told him to be careful because it can backfire and bite him in the as…
/r/seduction26/04/22 05:19 PM
3

Well without the poly part I agree on the rest. I am far gone beyond supporting ANYONE else in the world today just to be in a relationship. I handle my own household just fine and don’t need a domestic servant that provides sex when SHE feels like it. Done having kids and almost all grown and moved out. I have an active and enjoyable Lifestyle and I don’t want that restricted by someone who isn’t in my economic class. My girl now has a great professional job, owns her own home and stands to inh…
/r/seduction26/04/22 05:15 PM
1

So funny because my girl - child free by choice - has told me she’s exactly the opposite. Guys would constantly bomb her with marriage/kids and she would nope out instantly.
/r/seduction26/04/22 05:11 PM
2

This is a great point. My girl and I had instant attraction the night we met. But over time the more we have come to know one another intimately the closer we have bonded and grown a deep and abiding emotional engagement.
/r/seduction26/04/22 05:10 PM
2

Yeah I watch this on social media platforms and hear from my women friends how disgusted it makes them and I just laugh at it. It’s pathetic.
/r/seduction26/04/22 05:08 PM
19

Exactly. Where those low tier females are highly likely NOT going out to venues where these guys can cruise and select so they have to work harder on the better appearance crowd. Online they have all the advantage of catching them at home in their comfort zone and wowing them into a hookup that normally wouldn’t happen.
/r/seduction26/04/22 05:06 PM
16

This is the scenario that never ceases to amuse me. You are the one he’s cheating with honey. She is the mother of his children/life partner. He’s filling a need by filling you. That’s it. There’s no emotion there other than what he conveniently fakes.
/r/seduction26/04/22 05:05 PM
8

No. While I am older now I still pull with little problem. I have always been pretty high value and attracted lots of women. But even like this you don’t necessarily attract a LOT of “high value” women because like the high value man there is a finite amount of truly high value women. So the bonus is you have lots of options that are pretty damn good to just fuck, date for companionship or fun stuff and so on. So why not take advantage? I always have. And then when one of high value comes along …
/r/seduction26/04/22 05:03 PM
8

TBH when I became single again after dumping my GF beginning of last summer these women were like shooting fish in a barrel. And I don’t even do online mostly. And I’m 51
/r/seduction26/04/22 04:56 PM
6

Worse is “have kids WANT more”. Lmfao right! Like ok I actually have had mine and I’m done and you think I’m gonna give you more when you fucked it up the first time(s)?
/r/seduction26/04/22 04:47 PM
9

While I always cringe at that particular type of description of a human being, you do have valid points.
/r/seduction26/04/22 04:38 PM
9

Precisely because they ALL think that they are the one who can “change” him. Story of my last Gf. She even waited patiently for a year and a half before the cat got out of the bag. At which point I let her go because I’m me and not changing.
/r/seduction26/04/22 04:33 PM
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This is about as inaccurate as can be. When I pursue the dating apps I see predominantly - 1) conservative 2) Christian 3) looking for “relationship” or “serious” or even “marriage” And every one seems to be looking for someone that can foot the bill.
/r/seduction26/04/22 04:32 PM
0

Sorry if it was subtle. But then you made a point if it so I just ran with your obvious self esteem issue. Ok I’m bored now with you. Go away and lie to someone else.
/r/seduction26/04/22 06:26 AM
-6

Yeah sure little man. The boomer shit cracks me up. You don’t even fucking know what the term means and I’m about twenty years to young for it to apply to me. I know you’re just making shit up here for attention because I’ve never met a five seven Asian guy in my life that didn’t have to pay for that kind of pussy. At the end of the day bud? You’re still a pathetic short guy and I’m still a six foot three specimen. And that’s why I don’t have to have nights full of fails and make up pathetic sto…
/r/seduction26/04/22 05:02 AM
2

Of course it does. You cannot know right away whether you will ultimately be compatible or even interested in a long term sense. I used to make this same mistake over and over. It led me to three failed marriages and three failed king term relationships. And numerous other short term flings. And lots of meaningless ONS and such. And it was because I always left my empathetic heart totally open and unguarded and ended up trapping myself. I have finally found someone and both of us needed to very …
/r/seduction26/04/22 04:42 AM
2

This is the way
/r/seduction26/04/22 04:35 AM
3

There is a vast difference between clingy/needy and showing attention to someone that you are interested in/care about.
/r/seduction26/04/22 04:32 AM
3

I very much appreciate honesty and a straightforward approach. I don’t find attention given to be “clingy”. My parents have been married for 55 years. Is that clingy? Seriously people are so ducking selfish these days it truly amazes me that ANYONE gets together or even bothers.
/r/seduction26/04/22 04:30 AM
0

Lmao envy? Yeah ok young fella. No envy if you or anyone else. Been there and done that and I have passed it to a place in life where I realize how shallow, hollow and meaningless it was. And btw I actually think you are either lying or vastly exaggerating the real story. Banging some girl who had an OF isn’t bagging a porn star bud. And I figure that you had to pay for it anyway. Don’t post this stuff and expect anyone to believe a word of it. Especially when you refuse any details in a fake “I…
/r/seduction26/04/22 04:26 AM
23

Keep thinking that
/r/seduction26/04/22 12:20 AM
2

Bingo. My girl said to me after we were out last weekend at a local bar (I didn’t ask or care BTW) that she flirted with bartenders to get free drinks now or later. She deleted their number as soon as she leaves or the next day off her phone. This is common practice for women. Edit: BTW this is a stranger/ dumb pick up dude only thing that she does. She figures if they are stupid enough to see her walk in with a guy and still pay for her shit why does she care. She actually took me out in our fi…
/r/seduction25/04/22 11:23 PM
1

Stick to your philosophy. You have the correct idea. I never take a woman out to a nice/expensive dinner or date unless I am very serious about them or have already been dating regularly.
/r/seduction25/04/22 11:22 PM
2

If you believe it. I certainly don’t. But I elaborated on my thoughts down the thread.
/r/seduction25/04/22 11:19 PM
2

Condoms don’t stop Herpes bud!
/r/seduction25/04/22 11:17 PM
2

This
/r/seduction25/04/22 11:16 PM
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Yeah this is where I’m at. I’m way too old to buy into this BS. There ain’t a 27 year old average Asian guy alive that is keeping the name and shit secret on this. Either he’s outright lying. He paid for the night. Or her “porn career” is her OF and whatever fuck Buddy or boyfriend she gets to do scenes with her. And I’m sorry but that’s not a porn star.
/r/seduction25/04/22 11:16 PM
15

Be it this isn’t some kind of magic PUA wonder trick. It’s simply being social and taking the incentive to talk to people. It’s not some kind of rocket science. Or special formula.
/r/seduction25/04/22 11:12 PM
8

Now that’s what I call a waste of your life.
/r/seduction25/04/22 11:10 PM
2

Or a paid for event 🤷🏻‍♂️
/r/seduction25/04/22 11:09 PM
39

No you are just a decent normal human. This shit will always work if you hit on anything that walks. And if you read through you see that is basically what he does. He turns the entire night into a scorecard and discounts the many failed attempts based on one entirely lucky pull of a woman that is 1) probably drunk as hell at 2 AM in a casino in Vegas, 2) looking for something interesting and only knows how to catch a man with sex and 3) is a completely random strike and while I don’t know about…
/r/seduction25/04/22 11:08 PM
1

I think it is a recency bias to impermanence. And it also plays into the movement that women can play the game just like a man (nothing new to me I have always respected and recognized this). The sad part is that it discourages attempting to actually connect and bond with another human and also encourages a concept of constantly looking for that bigger better deal and not “settling” even though that in itself is often a farce.
/r/seduction24/04/22 01:23 AM
3

truth. If you don’t want trashy then you keep yourself classy.
/r/seduction21/04/22 04:32 PM
21

Precisely. This is why I constantly harp on my sons about cleanliness. I have more women friends than nene and I have heard the horror stories and the automatic “No” when they go to a guys place and it’s a stanky sty.
/r/seduction21/04/22 06:07 AM
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Is your place clean - and I mean eat off the floors clean? Does it stink - garbage not taken out, animal smell, dirty laundry with the workout gear in there, the food you left in your room for a week and is now a science experiment? Women are highly sensitive to smells. Much more so than us. I have a theory that they are this way to sense pheromone and are still retaining some of that ability moreso than men. Either way they are super hyper sensitive even if they haven’t mentioned it or don’t se…
/r/seduction21/04/22 04:58 AM
35

Another two, four or six hours if necessary. You might not get it that night. It might be tomorrow. Or next week. Or never. Slow your roll.
/r/seduction21/04/22 04:50 AM
1

I’m a single dad. My girl and I are working slowly toward an eventual relationship (we both need time to be at the right place for a full commitment but live each other and spend the majority of our “other people time” together) and she is adamant about kit wanting any kids or responsibility for kids. Granted three of mine are grown adults and the youngest is 50/50 and already 12. But she is fine with things because she wants to be with me. I had a life together ex with the same thing. Lived tog…
/r/seduction19/04/22 11:47 PM
1

Someone has a burned ass.
/r/seduction19/04/22 11:09 PM
2

“Hearting” the message I have found is a positive. I have yet to have things go south or fade/ghost if they are showing that they are into what you are saying. Generally I see it also an indicator of a lack of time/ability to properly. Respond but a desire to put emotion to the response to show sentiment. I have actually taken to utilizing this to emphasize that I am really getting/appreciating what his being told to me. I would say that she definitely has interest but is probably busy with work…
/r/seduction19/04/22 11:06 PM
0

It very much depends. I have a woman who I met three years ago. She is 33 (not my current girl I talk about a different one) and we seem to have never quite been available at the same time. About eight months ago I ran into her and it got me to start paying more attention to her socials (we had exchanged a while before and see each other at regular hangouts around town fairly often). Unnoticed that she is an active Salsa dancer and belongs to a group. I toyed with the idea for a minute of trying…
/r/seduction19/04/22 10:54 PM
14

This is an excellent point. You can’t go there and fake it and think you are going to get away with it. The serious guys and the older women there will spot you a mile away and generally will call you out rather embarrassingly if you aren’t lucky enough to get a quiet request to leave. I know we protect people in my social groups this way from the predatory creeps that come around. I generally handle this and it’s usually discreetly asking them to go Find another place to play. But it can be out…
/r/seduction19/04/22 10:50 PM
22

Many many women into hiking now as it is a great exercise activity and they know that many fit guys go for it. But it isn’t so Uber athletic (unless they want it to that level) that they are totally outclassed if they are just a novice. I like the dance class idea a lot. Just wish I was a better dancer lol to feel more comfortable with it. My style is generally drunk dancing at the bar or club. Country line dancing is a huge one too! The women just LOVE the guys that can dance.
/r/seduction19/04/22 10:43 PM
1

My girl is very flirty. She does this often when we go out. She doesn’t intend to do anything else just likes the validation attention. I’d move on and stay very clear.
/r/seduction19/04/22 06:51 PM
0

Always say. IRL is the only way to go. Online is mostly a waste. Shit my girl keeps Bumble and literally uses it to entertain herself when she’s bored. I have sat there and had her shown me guys profiles and laugh. That’s the reality of the majority of OLD.
/r/seduction19/04/22 03:59 AM
2

There is truth in this. Most women need validation of some level and it will never come from any single man. That is an extremely important thing to learn and accept. If you are desirable and ignore them, their natural self doubt comes out and they are instantly needing to find out why. I have this with my girl every time we go out. She flirts and I know it’s meaningless. We are going home together at the end of the night. She also likes to shake her ass in front of the DJ booth with a DJ a frie…
/r/seduction19/04/22 02:54 AM
2

Correct. That is a doomed to fail scenario.
/r/seduction19/04/22 02:45 AM
2

There is no shortcut. You build muscles by exercising, right? Social skills are built by exercising them. You start with the easy stuff. You find people with commonalities. Sit in the lunch room and jump into the banter when you have something interesting or funny to add. You will gain confidence and people will see you as someone desirable to interact with. Women - as being naturally far more inherently social than men - key into this quickly and will give you openings that make it easier. Then…
/r/seduction19/04/22 02:40 AM
4

Man I have known so many guys that have all that and even I as checking all those boxes sit there and SMDH wondering “how in the fuck is this guy not just dripping pussy off wherever he goes?!?!” I watch girls reacting to them yet they self efface and sit there clueless. I say it time and again it comes from within YOU and is based on how you feel about yourself.
/r/seduction19/04/22 02:36 AM
2

Because it’s fucking make believe.
/r/seduction19/04/22 02:34 AM
1

Well stated.
/r/seduction19/04/22 02:34 AM
1

Yes but the RIGHT kind of extra. Not over. The ones that go for over are almost always low value and flighty. They are not generally worth the effort it takes to catch them.
/r/seduction19/04/22 02:33 AM
4

The problem with the whole PUA bullshit is twofold. First the vast majority of guys here and in similar suns actually aren’t assholes or at least the level of asshole needed to spit that crap. Second the vast majority are actually also not looking for the different girl every night routine. They just want to find someone for them whether for now or long term or whatever and don’t know how to do that or more accurately don’t know how to close the deal. And PUA is NOT going to help those guys with…
/r/seduction19/04/22 02:32 AM
16

Experience and time. I’m 51. Several of those guys replying above I know are not from the younger set here. We all have learned through trial and error. We have learned from our failures as much as from our successes - and oftentimes even more. None of it comes easy. If I had a dollar for every missed opportunity with a woman I’ve had in my life to this point I would probably be pretty well off in that alone. Even my current girl I almost completely blew it when she got shitty with me briefly wh…
/r/seduction19/04/22 02:25 AM
3

The thing to understand is that there are different needs and desires at different points in your life. And that sub divides even further to what your current life circumstances are. I come here hoping to share advice from decades of experience. I’m not for a moment going to try to pretend that there is some one magical formula for either scoring or finding that special person that you actually want to be with and vice versa. I can tell you personally that I tend to have a pattern in life. When …
/r/seduction19/04/22 02:19 AM
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So I’m not going to be a juvenile prick like most of these clowns. When my girl wants this - even times when we are standing and talking to people and she is just feeling that she needs my love or support at the moment - she will just gently bend her head down and nuzzle into my chest slightly. It’s a signal I learned almost immediately meant she wanted me to hold her - even if only for a brief moment - and I respond automatically by putting my arm around her. Try some sort of obvious physical s…
/r/seduction19/04/22 12:25 AM
2

There are ways to be classy and conservative and not display all of what you have yet still be comfortable and not worry about the cost of things. I’m not a flashy person. I am fiscally conservative and very traditional in my ideas about things. I drive a Mercedes but not a brand new super fancy one. Just a nice comfortable sedan. I dress well in quality name brand clothing that is classic and durable and stylish but not showing off a label. I don’t wear much jewelry but what I do is personal an…
/r/seduction18/04/22 09:26 PM
1

You’re welcome. Have a great night.
/r/seduction18/04/22 03:50 AM
2

Yeah you at least have that and while it’s still not easy it at least allows you to keep you dignity intact because you have zero control over that. Yeah it was just stupid all around on my part. I’m sure we will be fine. It was just dumb and some of the retorts really hurt but I caused that by my mouth running.
/r/seduction18/04/22 03:13 AM
3

It sounds like an addictive behavior and you have made the correct first step.
/r/seduction18/04/22 02:23 AM
2

Well done! Real life is far better than any virtual one. Always. There is hurt and pain and crap. But the good times and experiences and people that will come into your life are worth it all.
/r/seduction18/04/22 02:22 AM
2

No worries man this is a great place to use as a sounding board. And I’ve done it myself some today after being a complete jackass this morning with my girl and sticking my foot all the way down my throat to the hip. I see what you were dealing with. Yeah that’s a tough one because you don’t want to interfere with the co parenting that is going on. Yet that’s absolutely a shocker to go from pissed/bitching to get back together with abusive asshole ex. That really sucks and I’m sorry you had to g…
/r/seduction18/04/22 02:07 AM
1

It’s also very dependent on the person. My girl wears her heart on her sleeve. Many times I’ve slipped into smart ass mode while we are joking or laughing about something and say something a little personal/diminishing and the look that comes on her face is like I just slapped her or killed her kitten. And I mean like tears are almost standing in her eyes and it’s not an act. I have to very quickly catch myself and remember that she is a sweet and very sensitive person who almost always only see…
/r/seduction18/04/22 02:03 AM
1

Work it around so that she is setting the place time. People are much less likely to flake if it is their plan.
/r/seduction18/04/22 01:59 AM
3

I go wine bar if they seem the classy type or are in my age range (45+) but not first dates. Got burned on that by one a few months ago and it cost me a bill and a half for a kiss and a hug. Coffee, lunch, hang out at an event or something like that are good to gauge real interest.
/r/seduction18/04/22 01:51 AM
2

Yeah that stuff just sucks for you as the person who she started dating and acting as though she’s emotionally available when she isn’t.
/r/seduction18/04/22 01:47 AM
2

And to take it further it’s getting harder for me (I’m older at 51) to get into the commitment thing just to find out a year or year and a half later that all the bullshit about liking or loving me the way I am turns into “I want you to change and be like this because that’s how I FEEL this week”. It’s not worth the emotional and time investment and I’m at a point where I don’t with the constant restart of the same new shit that it takes to get things going and find it wasted. It’s why I’m cool …
/r/seduction18/04/22 01:45 AM
3

The truth
/r/seduction18/04/22 01:41 AM
1

I have noticed that women will tend to do this much more rapidly than guys. They dial into one and they cut off all the rest like some kind of way to resist the temptation or something. I don’t know the whys just observe the process.
/r/seduction18/04/22 01:35 AM
2

The problem with even using this kind of manipulative tactic is that if you actually get serious with someone there’s a really bad foundation of behavior there that can backfire on you. I prefer to just be open and honest and if things work out great and if they don’t just move on.
/r/seduction18/04/22 01:29 AM
2

This is sadly the truth. I can’t tell how many of my women friends have stated this as the answer to why they ghost.
/r/seduction18/04/22 01:26 AM
2

This is a big one. The ex factor. I can tell you I have been the ex gotten back together with in the past and having had it happen to me now I will not do that any more. It’s a really shitty thing to have happen and pretty scummy behavior on the part of the other person. If you’re not finished you shouldn’t be stringing Simone else along. But then there’s a lot of shitty humans out there.
/r/seduction18/04/22 01:25 AM
2

So interesting point here that I can directly address from experience. Several months ago when I was not as dialed to my FWB as in now am, I met a woman off Bumble. We had a good repartee and she quickly asked to move things off there and called almost immediately. Things went well and communication was good. We set a date for the weekend to go to a nice wine bar. Not a cheap one either lol! We met there and hit it off really well in person too. She was even better looking in person and extremel…
/r/seduction18/04/22 01:16 AM
1

This is really incredibly accurate. I use myself as an example here. From moment one my FWB with feelings (doesn’t want a “relationship”) pursued me hardcore. We met at a party and I was actually hanging out with another woman I had met the week before and arranged to meet there. My girl is quite a bit younger than me (33 vs 51) but established as a professional with her own home and doesn’t need money support or anything. She watched me and engaged into out conversations very strategically for …
/r/seduction18/04/22 12:41 AM
2

True. Although if you aren’t giving fair attention she will eventually lose interest.
/r/seduction18/04/22 12:29 AM
1

Thanks for the hug. I need it although I don’t feel I deserve it right now. I will admit - and this might be helpful in case you are thinking about any grand declarations with your girl - I was strung out, had actually fallen asleep briefly and was a complete jackass this morning in the way I all but accosted her with this stuff. And like yours she is the sweetest, kindest and most gentle person and just loves everyone unless they hurt her. So be careful and especially when you are under the j f…
/r/seduction18/04/22 12:06 AM
1

So three different women since the beginning of this year and two were multiples. I had been holding off my normal prowl when single for a couple of months now because I had thought my FWB wanted to be exclusive and move to a regular relationship. Just found out that she is now wanting to back off from that and sex for now so I’m thinking that I will start hunting again, hit up some of my old standbys or find a regular fuck Buddy.
/r/seduction17/04/22 10:13 PM
2

Yeah I understand that. I don’t throw people away and again if you can handle that (seeing them together and all and keeping yourself from being overly upset by that) then I would say that I would also still want to be friends. The problem you will have is that because you have feelings for her you will also cut out any other possibilities and stall yourself. I say this from being right there at this very moment. The woman I love, who I am very close friends with and have had a sexual/FWB thing …
/r/seduction17/04/22 09:58 PM
1

You can do that if your feeling is just basic attraction. If it’s deeper that’s not really possible. You either have to just ride it out and see if you can handle it or cut off completely until you heal and move on.
/r/seduction17/04/22 06:06 PM
1

If you can get over the “like her” part it’s fine. Otherwise cut her loose and find another friend before you get stuck in a rut if her and endlessly frustrated.
/r/seduction17/04/22 06:03 PM
1

Well those of course. And if the conversation and vibe is going that way then of course.
/r/seduction17/04/22 05:58 PM
3

If you have had sex especially multiple times and are offering it freely and he isn’t coming running and he is acting like this he either doesn’t see you as anything more than a casual Orange has lost interest and is only keeping you around for when whoever he is doing right now isn’t available.
/r/seduction17/04/22 05:55 PM
12

If this is the case then he isn’t interested. I would say to move on.
/r/seduction17/04/22 05:47 PM
1

I’ll counter you can come to California and I’ll watch a sweet little liberal female black belt kick the shit out if your ass.
/r/seduction17/04/22 12:48 AM
0

You wouldn’t think it at all from the behavior of basically ALL of the men that migrate to the US. I see it throughout both cultures. My step grandfather was Hindu and extremely abusive of my grandmother and aunt.
/r/seduction16/04/22 10:56 PM
1

That’s Mediterranean culture and also extremely chauvinist. However the women there also won’t put up with the bullshit.
/r/seduction16/04/22 10:55 PM
2

This is a great take and made me think about certain aspects of my current situation. She comes from a traditional Ukrainian family where pops makes all the decisions and controls the finances and stuff. She is used to this and accepts it despite being an American born and independent and string woman. But when we are together she wants me to take the lead. Direct us. Choose where we are going and what we are doing. Lead the way when we are doing outdoors activities. Drive wherever we go. She tr…
/r/seduction16/04/22 10:49 PM
2

Bingo!
/r/seduction16/04/22 10:41 PM
1

Exactly where I am. I’m 51 she’s 33. Right on the nose and we are very happy.
/r/seduction16/04/22 10:37 PM
1

My real guy friends live vicariously through me because most of them are settled and married or have let themselves go and look sixty in their forties.
/r/seduction16/04/22 10:36 PM
2

Yes mostly this.
/r/seduction16/04/22 10:35 PM
2

Reminds me of my friend whom is 57. He’s ranging 45+ and there’s a shit load of widows and divorcees in his area that own the house but don’t want to work anymore to support themselves and are looking for a meal ticket man.
/r/seduction16/04/22 10:33 PM
3

This is a big one too. If they really want to flip it back they should do what my girl does and find better older men.
/r/seduction16/04/22 10:29 PM
1

There’s two basic categories for the ones who attack for this (or any guy much older girl much younger couple talk). Jealous guys. Mostly younger losers who are clueless and can’t get the women their age because they don’t have their shit together and cannot possibly compete with an older, confident established man. Jealous older and younger (fat, ugly or weird) women. Most normal people mind their own business. I’m in this situation with my girl (51/33) and have gotten endless shit here. But IR…
/r/seduction16/04/22 10:28 PM
1

Yeah it’s one of the ones these days that just makes me grind my teeth. It’s like an automatic conviction for an accusation of assault or harassment. Like wait, what? Don’t we go with innocent until proven guilty?
/r/seduction16/04/22 10:19 PM
4

Ok fair enough. Sorry bout that. Lots of reactivity here and likely mostly because they can’t handle the facts and truth.
/r/seduction16/04/22 10:13 PM
1

Nope you’re right moron. It’s another culture and country. He’s Sikh to be exact. And they shit all over their women as well. There is no defense for the shitty way these cultures treat women. You can calm me racist, culturist, make up all kinds of bullshit one line insults that are meaningless to me. The FACT is that these cultures shit all over women and abuse them and treat them as property to be used when they feel like it. And it’s disgusting. They cannot j retract with a woman except in a …
/r/seduction16/04/22 10:12 PM
1

Yeah you go with that. Too bad it doesn’t work that way. Middle Eastern. Not a race. A culture. Get an education.
/r/seduction16/04/22 10:05 PM
-5

You’re right it fucking is. It’s also my personal opinion from watching this behavior continuously from virtually every middle eastern guy I ever see. They hound women and harass them. They are rude, pushy and obnoxious. And they will grab and grope thinking that is somehow ok because they look at women Asa piece of meat. I’ll take it one step further. Inhavr Indian friends from work. One of them - a married guy - went out with me and two other friends one night to a local club. He behaved like …
/r/seduction16/04/22 09:41 PM
-1

I’ll be totally honest here. Every “day game” situation I have ever scored in during my life that didn’t involve a woman I was already with had been completely random shit in a circumstance that allowed for flirtatious contact and build up (such as a business meeting or convention, an event or the like) and has never come from a cold approach. The vast majority of people are either busy working or taking care of their life tasks during the day in preparation to be free to have a good time on the…
/r/seduction16/04/22 09:28 PM
8

This is not a good plan in the current environment. Most women are going to instantly be on guard/frightened or worse aggressively repulsing because they will feel threatened automatically. I would only think to try this with a legitimate reason to ask a question/strike up a conversation (ie - directions or something or waiting for transit and make small talk). Otherwise I wouldn’t waste the effort in something that I would feel would be 99.5% failure.
/r/seduction16/04/22 09:17 PM
3

This is the way.
/r/seduction16/04/22 05:46 PM
5

Honestly I live by don’t kiss and tell. It’s nobody’s actual business and I prefer an air of a bit of mystery around what my actual sexual doings are. People often have funny and unexpected reactions to things and especially sex tales. I will mention having dated or met a woman, but I will never get specific about sex stuff with her.
/r/seduction16/04/22 05:45 PM
1

I was a skinny kid and made fun of. My dad lost his small business when I was 10 and we were dirt poor. I actually helped support the household several times through my teens and twenties. Had my first child at 23 and have had to bust my ass my entire life for every penny I’ve earned and to make it. And I’m not talking about short and long term mating strategies because that wasn’t the question.
/r/seduction16/04/22 01:38 PM
1

Point made.
/r/seduction16/04/22 01:34 PM
4

It’s interesting what you say here. In my situation, my current girl and I started as FWB with lots of feelings and things going on from both sides. I’m quite a bit older so I was able to hold back and let myself see where things were going. She plunged and was quickly taking about future and life together and on and on. Then she got herself scared by the depth and volume of her feelings for me. This resulted in an incident while we were out one night of her getting snippy while drunk (out of ch…
/r/seduction16/04/22 09:09 AM
3

This.
/r/seduction16/04/22 08:53 AM
16

Bingo! This kind of raging statement inevitably is simply a scream into the void.
/r/seduction16/04/22 08:52 AM
2

And you are inferring that this is confined to women only. Please! Men are far more burned and affected because very few at that age have the tools to understand true emotional interaction and maturity and therefore are the biggest cause of the damage because they are still thinking with their cock and not their head.
/r/seduction16/04/22 08:51 AM
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Somebody is very young, very inexperienced and very burned. Come see me after age forty and we’ll have a reasonable conversation. At this point you are a child and have little to no understanding of the way a balanced and healthy relationship works. You are merely pontificating pickup and short term garbage that will never result in a deep and lasting love and commitment.
/r/seduction16/04/22 08:48 AM
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Lmao. You’re not worth dignifying with an articulate response little one. Go back to kindergarten and learn some basic skills. Ultimately I ran off some shit because I was frustrated. I went out with friends, vented and got it out of my system. I have zero interest in anyone but my girl because I love her to distraction. And yes you need to remind people in your life that you have other options around or they take you for granted. I’m an empath and have always fallen victim to people who use and…
/r/seduction16/04/22 08:21 AM
2

Totally situationally dependent and person dependent.
/r/seduction16/04/22 04:02 AM
18

Well my girl is a completely solid 9.5-10. Professional. Gorgeous. Owns her own home and stuff. Doesn’t want any kids. Works hard and takes her serious life serious and likes to party when it’s her time. Athletic and super fit she is a top skier, tennis and golf player. Loves to backpack and travel. She is also 18 years younger than me. So I figure I’ve got a good read. I’m 51, 6’3” and fit. All my own hair and it’s full. I am a medical professional and make a great living and have a side busine…
/r/seduction16/04/22 03:34 AM
1

🙋🏻
/r/seduction16/04/22 03:16 AM
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Yes. I am actually doing this very thing tonight. I am an active member of a social group and often host events and help the organizer with event planning and arrangement. This past week we had a trio that was an epic fail in her part because it was her bday trip and she tried to combine a “family” trip (her kids and their friends all teens) with an adult getaway. It was a dumpster fire. And to compound it she didn’t plan it anywhere like her normal tight organized manner because she’s been ridi…
/r/seduction16/04/22 03:14 AM
0

So I agree. I tend to go out alone (when I am looking - not currently) and I absolutely see what you are saying. Like anything it is not absolute and you shouldn’t automatically eliminate. Most women today go out in any least pairs for safety and you should expect to have to handle that in your approaches. But it certainly is something to keep an eye open to and thinking about it it definitely rings true in my experience.
/r/seduction15/04/22 08:52 PM
1

I wouldn’t sweat it. I’m also a nurse and in the OR. I literally get exactly what you are saying because that was me last July ending things with a state worker Gf of a year and a half because I “wasn’t giving her enough time” - except it was every extra minute I had and taking time from my kids as well. So I spent the summer just playing and having fun and eventually had a short term FWB (just didn’t work out too dumb in the end). Then I met my current girl and we started with feelings but talk…
/r/seduction15/04/22 07:38 PM
1

Sorry I wasn’t clear. I meant that the texting good morning or good night thing shouldn’t happen - at least early in - more than a couple random times during the week and never in the same day. Keep it a surprise and a little good feeling thing. My personal timing is just at the point where they might be wondering g if they are gong to hear from you (about 2-3 days) and that’s when I pop something like that with a nice little something like have a great day or happy Friday or something like that…
/r/seduction15/04/22 07:28 PM
3

Ultimately my last response here will be this. My girl absolutely initiated 💯. She saw me. Came and got me and staked her territory the first night we met. And I am clearly to anyone else very much that. She talks about not being possessive or jealous but she acts the opposite when any other woman is hinted at or I pay them more than casual/friendly attention. She also is constantly assuring me that there is nobody else of interest to her and seeking the validation of my positive response. But I…
/r/seduction15/04/22 07:16 PM
2

While later on I don’t at all agree with this, starting out doing that more than twice in a week is a little over. I’d say the midday, more informational type thing the first couple weeks or month is best. Later as you learn one another and grow comfortable things can be more convenient communication and depth. My girl is naturally a terrible texter. But we both have jobs that do not necessarily allow for phone time. So she has learned to become very much more in depth and expressive with me whe…
/r/seduction15/04/22 07:12 PM
4

Ask him things you would want to learn about any friend that you are just getting to know. Share things about yourself or lead your conversation to questions he can ask. Try to talk on the phone rather than just text. It’s more personal and you can at least get a feel for emotion from voice inflection. And of course face to face is the most ideal.
/r/seduction15/04/22 07:09 PM
15

This right here. We will drive ourselves nuts trying to figure out just the right amount of communication vs seeming clingy/needy. He will appreciate the directness. You can add to that by being straightforward about what you are looking to have out of this. I can tell you that if we had sex and there was talk of more, without everyone being clear in the level of involvement there is going to be misunderstanding by someone at some point sooner or later. Obviously the “friends” part of FWB takes …
/r/seduction15/04/22 07:07 PM
1

Ok
/r/seduction10/04/22 07:00 PM
3

Don’t make blanket statements young man. You will eat your words far more often than you will be “right”. This is half assed advice at best to be cherry picked and mostly taken with a shaker full of salt.
/r/seduction10/04/22 12:37 AM
19

Get off OLD. Meet women IRL.
/r/seduction10/04/22 12:25 AM
0

Yeah my exact reaction. It’s obviously juniors day today.
/r/seduction09/04/22 09:44 PM
2

Go for it and try for a recovery. Be honest and be flattering and sincere. Let her know that you are inexperienced and you didn’t want to overstep and do something she wouldn’t welcome. She will likely be understanding about that and if you are fortunate will take you in hand and teach you so you know for the future.
/r/seduction09/04/22 09:11 PM
8

Buddy she “tickled your lap?” So she reached for your junk and you thought she wanted to hold hands. Then she put your hand on her couch and you just sat there. She probably feels and felt completely rejected by you or thinks you’re gay now. Please do read what we are all saying and don’t feel badly but LEARN. And for gods sake watch some porn or something so you understand.
/r/seduction09/04/22 09:06 PM
2

This. DUDE!!!! That girl was ready to fuck you right there in the movie theater and you completely blew it! And you blew it so badly that she literally texted another guy to pick her up and fuck her. Absolutely guaranteed. You are a virgin? Or extremely inexperienced? Or just introverted shy? Any which way I highly doubt that you get another opportunity with her. You are officially in the friend zone and basically unfuckable.
/r/seduction09/04/22 09:05 PM
1

No I disagree. This is classic for young women who aren’t yet confident enough to express their feelings for fear of rejection or ridicule. It’s very easy to be out there with the others that she isn’t interested in. But with OP there is the scary realm of “OMG if I do something and he rejects me what happens?”
/r/seduction09/04/22 08:59 PM
2

Yeah that may be a little TOO soft an approach but the general idea and gist. Basically just keep it no pressure and no obligation. Let her be making the choice and decision.
/r/seduction09/04/22 07:52 PM
1

Oh yes absolutely. It was fucking incredible. Both ways we talked them and any times since how amazing it is that we fit like we were designed for each other. That was almost seven months ago BTW. We are going to a work party tonight and then staying at my place and leaving for a vacation week together tomorrow morning. Things are progressing quite well and at this point I have yet to see any reason why I wouldn’t happy be with her permanently. We have something really special connection wise an…
/r/seduction09/04/22 07:13 PM
1

So this is funny. She really wanted it (as did I) the first night we met. But we ended up where I told her no and we just slept because she was way too drunk to consent by the time we were going to bed. She proved that the next few days by asking me if we had because she had some gaps. When I told her no and what happened, she was absolutely enthralled that I would not take advantage of her. So the following weekend we got together again and she said “I’m not drinking because I am having you ton…
/r/seduction09/04/22 06:16 PM
1

Yeah only the first part is good. Allow her to keep her personal stuff separated from the work. And also not risk getting in trouble.
/r/seduction09/04/22 04:22 PM
5

“So hey (her name), I was thinking we obviously don’t have enough time for you to teach me Spanish when you are at work and I wouldn’t want to get you in trouble of course (say that flirty). Would you like to meet up for (coffee, lunch or whatever her interest that is interactive friendly) so we can have a chance to do that?” It’s direct yet casual and allows her the option if you have somehow misread (I doubt it from your description she seems into you) to let you down gently and not make it re…
/r/seduction09/04/22 04:20 PM
8

Nope. That’s my read and opinion from the description given.
/r/seduction09/04/22 02:14 PM
25

Wrong. Absolutely the opposite. She likes OP and is shy around him because of this.
/r/seduction09/04/22 09:01 AM
2

I have a wonderful woman that I am very much in love with and vice versa. All good.
/r/seduction09/04/22 03:27 AM
0

Yeah so fuck off.
/r/seduction09/04/22 03:26 AM
1

Lol it works for me. I just don’t take advantage because I generally am not a dick like that.
/r/seduction09/04/22 02:47 AM
7

This. You’re choking man. Get moving on it. My minimum is fucking by the third date and that’s been for forty years.
/r/seduction09/04/22 12:12 AM
3

This precisely. I have spent over six months going with a gradual building situation with my girl because BOTH of us weren’t ready for serious commitment when we met despite the completely obvious feelings for each other and the way we fit seamlessly together. Over the last two months we have gradually moved into a far more intense and emotional connection where we know that we are both pretty much ready to move into a real declared relationship. And that’s how it worked out best. It’s totally a…
/r/seduction08/04/22 11:45 PM
3

Went to a party with my woman’s friends (I’m 51 she’s 33) two weekends ago. They were sketchy and weirder out at first that we showed up and I had slacks and a sport coat and dress shirt and she had a nice dress on. They started flipping shit about us being old and she quickly told them we had come straight from a wedding. They still were fucking with us about it.
/r/seduction08/04/22 11:06 PM
2

In the right circumstance. Sometimes it’s over. And the younger crowd it’s a put off (Boomer) thing.
/r/seduction08/04/22 10:31 PM
2

The only time I EVER did this and successfully scored a woman was simply random chance. I used to work out at the same gym I now go to again. Across the street and up a block is a bar that also has been a weekend swingers hangout for decades. It’s pretty divey though so during the week it’s a great spot to just knock one back and chill and shoot the shit with regulars. It was a Thursday night. I was super hydrated as I always do to work out or run ball. I went in and sat in my usual spot. I’m we…
/r/seduction08/04/22 08:25 PM
3

I wouldn’t go to suit level. But even at a dive bar I try to be a cut above whatever I think the “decent” average is. If the guys there are doing the jeans and flannel or sweatshirt thing? I do nice designer jeans and a long sleeve button up (style not dress) with the sleeves rolled up. Always make yourself project value no matter where you are or what the crowd.
/r/seduction08/04/22 08:15 PM
15

At this point there is no reason to be making any effort. If she was really interested she would make it known to you. If she is sliding or fading away l, it is pretty obvious that she is not and you should simply leave it alone and move in if she doesn’t come back around. And if she DOES come back around, you don’t drop your everything and kow tow to her at that point. Make her come to you at YOUR convenience and act like she is not even in the priority list for you even if you have nothing to …
/r/seduction08/04/22 08:12 PM
16

This is the way
/r/seduction08/04/22 08:08 PM
7

Additionally even if genus married or involved he WILL still be flattered and have his ego pumped and will talk to you and at least be polite.
/r/seduction08/04/22 06:58 PM
4

This is the way.
/r/seduction08/04/22 06:58 PM
1

So yeah that’s where you need to work on finding that zone with each individual woman of enough vs too much. That is where the experience factor comes in. You try different things - a touch of a hand, an arm around the waist instead of the shoulders, a soft kiss instead of just a hug. Measure and see the reaction and mostly pay attention to the BODY LANGUAGE and unspoken contact of her eyes and response. A softening and “glow” in her look. A movement closer or into full body contact by HER. Not …
/r/seduction08/04/22 03:05 PM
1

Of course you need to be human. We all have faults and places where we fail or fall down and we should always be striving to improve ourselves and be better. But I’m being the best version of yourself a part of that is embracing those things and not being afraid to admit them to someone else that you really want to be with. My girl knows very well I am not perfect. She also knows that I spend every day trying to do the best I can and be the best person I can. And that I will learn and improve fr…
/r/seduction08/04/22 02:57 PM
5

Yeah it’s absolutely insane these days. This is a lot of the reason why I always advise guys here to back off of the hardcore push. You are almost always going to receive negative results and the minuscule chance of a single positive is not worth the much higher chance of risk of being labeled as a predator.
/r/seduction08/04/22 02:49 PM
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There is no way to nail this down to any single answer because it is totally dependent upon the situation Example. I (51) was out on a Friday night with my girl (33) and one of our best friends (46). All of us are very attractive and look younger than our ages. These two young (21/22) girls and their guys start chatting up the ladies who also introduce me. The girls are standoffish although their guys (who look easily in their thirties) are friendly. So we are dancing and keep in mind this is a …
/r/seduction08/04/22 06:27 AM
1

Ok
/r/seduction08/04/22 04:43 AM
0

Ok
/r/seduction08/04/22 02:40 AM
2

Isn’t this the straight damn truth.
/r/seduction08/04/22 02:30 AM
1

You don’t close the deal. That’s a different skill entirely.
/r/seduction08/04/22 02:27 AM
1

Just be yourself means to be the very BEST version of yourself. Is that not being made clear?
/r/seduction08/04/22 02:27 AM
2

You want a piece of advice? Stop trying to fucking analyze it with “science” and go out and live your damn life and experience it. Learn what works and what doesn’t along the way and do t repeat your mistakes and do utilize what is successful.
/r/seduction08/04/22 02:20 AM
1

This is the way.
/r/seduction08/04/22 02:18 AM
1

Loving this! Well stated.
/r/seduction08/04/22 02:15 AM
1

It is an excellent question. When I started posting here and posting advice I was in a LTR. Just figured I could help younger dudes and chicks out (I’m 51 now) with figuring shit out. Then I broke up with my ex and jumped back into the swing lifestyle. Had some fun for a couple months then met a 28 year old and we agreed to be FWB’s. Six foot tall Russian blond and built but unfortunately she was dumb as a post. Then I met my now current girl. We had stayed open for a while and now we are exclus…
/r/seduction08/04/22 02:09 AM
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Ok so first answering this, no they don’t necessarily. And let me give you a piece of advice. If she’s even seeming remotely like she’s been drinking, don’t do it unless you are regular and have an understanding about it like my girl and I. When I met my girl she seemed fine for most of the night. She’s Eastern Euro amd hold her liquor well - to a point. Then she gets faded but stays horny. That’s all fine now because we know this and she wants to fuck me. But the first time we met the first nig…
/r/seduction08/04/22 01:53 AM
2

I always have but I have also been bitten in the ass when I am doing this and the one I am really interested in is not ok with it. Because ultimately you cannot ever have enough availability and time if you have a normal life schedule (work, exercise, family and friends and such) to run multiple women and be available to one that thinks she is “your one” that is your real interest.
/r/seduction08/04/22 12:21 AM
5

Agreed. And you will never be able to get into a truly healthy relationship.
/r/seduction08/04/22 12:18 AM
7

That’s a good point.
/r/seduction08/04/22 12:17 AM
1

Good guideline. So sleeping together for six months and about to start a week off together with a five day vacation that begins with a four hour car ride to the destination where we will be sharing a bed and all that comes with it is a good sign? 😉
/r/seduction08/04/22 12:12 AM
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And this fellows is why so many of you struggle with ghosting, fade aways and disappearing act women. If you don’t ever put yourself out there, you simply will project that to women - who are far more sensitive to those broadcast feelings than we are - and they will not take things seriously either and will keep shopping for a better and more secure deal. Yea you need to allow things to develop naturally and generically and not force them. But escalation continues into the more serious range of …
/r/seduction07/04/22 11:54 PM
1

Just no.
/r/seduction07/04/22 07:58 PM
1

Don’t pay attention to self proclaimed “pick up artists” - especially knew that are trying to get you to go to a paid site.
/r/seduction07/04/22 07:56 PM
1

Just go and have fun. Be yourself and don’t be extra or clingy. If they go off and you see them flirting or anything, let it ride and pretend you didn’t see it blow it off like NBD. Don’t go with a plan of escalation but be an opportunist if the opening comes and you can gently and slickly do so. Don’t ouch contact too much as she might not be ready for that in front of her friend. Be open to it if SHE initiates and be receptive but again not over. Just be cool and understand that bringing you i…
/r/seduction07/04/22 07:49 PM
1

Relax. Work on your self confidence or at least being brave enough to take a plunge. Live in moderation. You list two extremes but actually that is not truly advice but just peoples personal opinion telling someone else how they should act. When I give advice here or anywhere I try to be objective and neutral and then I offer something - preferably recent - from my own personal experience as an example of what I mean. This is never to say “do it my way” or “don’t be a predator” but rather just a…
/r/seduction06/04/22 08:08 PM
1

And if she is still backing off away then that tells you all you need to know and it’s time to cut bait and move on because friend is all she sees.
/r/seduction06/04/22 01:42 PM
3

This. Escalate. And seal the deal. It’s on you if she isn’t doing anything in these scenarios. You are getting dangerously close to either the friend zone or the ghost zone here. One more no action date should do that. And as far as your messy place - either explain, temporarily straighten up or don’t worry about it. Alternatively you can go to hers or get a room somewhere. And then just don’t worry about it and use wherever is convenient.
/r/seduction06/04/22 01:40 PM
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“You’re welcome and I really mean it”. And then continue on and try to escalate slowly.
/r/seduction06/04/22 01:37 PM
1

Totally agree 💯 No idea how to actually interact with people because life is online.
/r/seduction06/04/22 05:54 AM
3

This is the way.
/r/seduction06/04/22 05:53 AM
1

Lmfao!!! I’m in the wrong business!!!
/r/seduction06/04/22 04:22 AM
9

You are spot on here. This is one of the points I have forgotten tonnage when I talk in this sub about no longer approaching women. This sort of situation is a dead giveaway that they are quietly interested but either don’t know how to approach you, don’t have the confidence or are afraid they will be giving their desire away to easily and too early. Understanding that there are societal restraints that keep women from being forward. As an example this past weekend. I was at three different venu…
/r/seduction06/04/22 04:22 AM
6

Not interested. Has a BF. Focused on studies and that’s why she shared her number in the first place not to be hit on. There’s a double dozen other reasons to move on or at least ignore her til she comes to you.
/r/seduction05/04/22 01:26 AM
0

Exactly! My hugely absolutely adores the fact that I never push, hound or pester her and I let her live her life without interference and just enjoy our time together and when she wants to include me. And if I didn’t? I would have long ago lost someone that I live very dearly and loves me the same. Because she doesn’t react well to pushy having been abused by pushy in the past. You never know - especially when first meeting - what someone is carrying in their heart that affects all their interac…
/r/seduction04/04/22 06:17 PM
4

Correct. Honestly I’m older and I stopped bothering with approach a long time ago unless it is obviously invited. I make myself be obviously available and get approached by women quite regularly. It’s much easier because you know the interest is already engaged. In the cases where I do approach, I only do so with obvious interest already conveyed. I don’t ever waste effort and time with cold approach or approach that there is no obvious interest. It’s a complete waste of my time.
/r/seduction04/04/22 03:52 AM
1

Ok I’m going to back this up and re break it down. Incel isn’t really the right term. Angry and misogynistic however hits right at the core here. I don’t know you or your history so I cannot tell if you had a past history of issues with women (domineering, repressive or abusive mother or simply overbearing, bad treatment in a prior relationship). What I can say is that you have a LOT of built up anger and resentment toward women and everything you have typed shoes that through and through. Your …
/r/seduction04/04/22 03:21 AM
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Please everyone read his fifth paragraph over ten times before EACH AND EVERY TIME you approach someone. It is vital to recognize individuals boundaries and respect them. You will fail otherwise and all the PUA guys think that it’s irrelevant and you have to “push”.
/r/seduction04/04/22 02:50 AM
0

Bingo!
/r/seduction04/04/22 02:48 AM
8

I have to have posted a million times here now. The PUA stuff and “experts” are bullshit. If you do not work on yourself and your personal self esteem and confidence all the advice in the world is fucking useless. And especially from guys whose basic approach is hard sell marketing/sales shit for interpersonal interaction. Fucking talk to people for a start. Shoot the shit. Gab. Just yap. It doesn’t fucking matter who or what just do it to get used to the idea.
/r/seduction04/04/22 02:46 AM
3

Yeah but if he’s a no go for the party scene it’s not gonna happen. Those girls that want that are just gonna move on. It’s like my girl who while she is responsible and conservative still likes her party on her weekends. If I didn’t also we likely wouldn’t be a match because it gets boring being with someone who doesn’t want that at all.
/r/seduction04/04/22 02:31 AM
2

This is the way
/r/seduction04/04/22 02:26 AM
5

So beyond the basic fact here that you really sound like an assburned incel that is angry because women like that wouldn’t give you the time of day… Honestly if you dive in the shallow end chances are you are going to hit your head in the bottom. People who center themselves around an appearance or image are generally two dimensional and shallow. To assume because women look like “baddies” that they are therefore good at sex just screams that you have no idea what you are talking about because y…
/r/seduction04/04/22 02:25 AM
4

If you are comfortable with everyone and everything and keep in mind the fact that you ARE NOT GETTING HIM only being invited to be a part of their thing, then I would go forward with it. Be honest ear with them and make them understand that you are inexperienced and haven’t done this before. Make sure that everyone’s true and real feelings or lack thereof are known and acknowledged and be sure that none of that is any issue for anyone BEFORE you commit and set a date. The. When it comes time ju…
/r/seduction04/04/22 01:04 AM
1

Sounds like you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
/r/seduction03/04/22 05:13 PM
1

Understand this too well. My second wife died from her addictions so I have lived through the bad end of the spectrum and it’s very ugly. Glad you have someone and yeah it makes complete sense to me. Honestly younger me probably would not have been patient and mellow with my girl the way I have. I would have hit it and moved in or hit it whenever I had the opportunity arise but not taken it seriously and just taken advantage of her being enamored with me. Instead I am at a place where I stopped …
/r/seduction03/04/22 05:09 PM
1

Ok
/r/seduction03/04/22 04:54 PM
1

So I appreciate the sentiment and honestly same back. I don’t go looking for internet insult matches I like to have discussions. In reality this entire original thread post line makes me cringe. I have daughters and I would never accept someone judging them based in their choices sexually. It’s not who they are as people. To your second and third paragraphs? I could have written those myself. I was raised by both my parents to always be sure that a woman was taken care of first and I would never…
/r/seduction03/04/22 04:51 PM
1

Actually this entire thread is the cringiest thing ever. It’s created by and filled with a bunch of insecure creeps That want to repress and control women because of their own shortcomings and inability to normally and healthily interact. The OP himself has already admitted here to being insecure about other guys women he sleeps with have been with. The discussion pretty much ended at that point.
/r/seduction03/04/22 04:38 PM
1

Please don’t tell me how research - specifically studies - work. I am a quarter century in the medical field and have been part of dozens of studies. The number of people you are talking about requires a vast number to get a true determination as a random study. That’s where my number comes from. That’s how you achieve true validity for statements.
/r/seduction03/04/22 04:36 PM
1

Fair enough and I respect and appreciate the honesty answer. Personally I have never had any issues like that. I have had - at 51 - far more than any man’s fair share of women in both casual and long term situations. I have been married and left voluntarily more than once. Also had LTR as much as seven years. I won’t disagree that exclusivity with the right person is always far and away better than the ransoms. But my teaks j f is different than yours. I have enough self confidence to fill a car…
/r/seduction03/04/22 04:24 PM
2

Again you state “it’s been shown”. Prove that. Show me a study of at least a hundred thousand couples where this has been a proven fact. Not some right wing preacher trying to control the youth of his flock.
/r/seduction03/04/22 04:14 PM
0

Because it’s a fantasy construct he is looking for that is created by patriarchal groups looking to repress women.
/r/seduction03/04/22 04:12 PM
1

Because everything you have vomited out is typical incel behavior. Guys in the modern world do not voluntarily act like this unless there is some sort of repressive culture or they are incels. It’s just the truth. And yet you continue to personally attack me - which I find quite laughable btw - and refuse to admit to whatever fucked il, woman hating repressive shit you belong to. I call it how I see it. And honestly your handle doesn’t help you much either.
/r/seduction03/04/22 04:11 PM
2

Yeah but it’s not. And there is absolutely nothing valid to make that so.
/r/seduction03/04/22 04:08 PM
1

Precisely. When my woman and I go out for example. She loves to get up in the stage at this one place and shame her ass. We are both years long friends with the DJ. She lives the feeling of the attention even though she has zero desire to have any of those guys or girls touching her or to be with them. And like she told me months ago the first time we went “I am going home with YOU at the end of the night”. So why would I be stupidly jealous or insecure because she has HER needs? The same about …
/r/seduction03/04/22 04:08 PM
1

Ok smart boy I’m asking. What’s your basics for your beliefs. And don’t ducking make up some bullshit about studying philosophy and that crap because everything you’ve ruled is straight out of the right wing whacko playbook so far.
/r/seduction03/04/22 04:04 PM
1

So with no counter you stoop to pathetic personal insults that have no basis in reality? Laughable.
/r/seduction03/04/22 04:03 PM
1

You’re a pretty funny guy. Everything you have posted is a load of rhetoric bullshit.
/r/seduction03/04/22 04:02 PM
2

Your attitude is typical of repressive religions and societies and incredibly backwards. Men are free to “sew their wild oats” but women have to be “good girls”? Sounds like you have a whole lot of personal insecurities and issues you need to work through before you curse any woman with having to put up with your personal hang ups.
/r/seduction03/04/22 04:01 PM
1

Your bottom number is not even close. Try asking women. You will get 35 + as your answer.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:59 PM
1

Well stated. Everything about this thread is completely cringe.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:57 PM
2

Judgmental much?
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:55 PM
1

Another insecure fellow here. Lol!
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:54 PM
1

It’s only going to happen in a repressed culture.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:54 PM
1

Yes he is and this the truth comes out.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:53 PM
1

Yeah gotta wonder about repressed homo urges with this stuff too.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:52 PM
0

It’s more than that because this is one of the issues of equality in the world that needs to be left to history. It is also a huge reason why women are treated in a second class manner and blown off/not taken seriously when they are assaulted. The attitude here results in the “she asked for it” Mentality.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:51 PM
2

You sound like some right wing fake Christian pastor. I’m guessing that’s where this really comes from. Most of them like to cherry pick those two as “philosophical sources” to justify their ridiculous controlling rhetoric.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:49 PM
1

Wrong. Like all human abilities experience is the best teacher. I was educated quite thoroughly as a young person and encouraged to learn to be a good partner and still it took years of experience to learn to properly please women.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:47 PM
1

So spoken by every guy I have ever known or interacted with that either 1) can’t get any women because of lack of physical attractiveness, or 2) can’t get any women because of mental incapacity (shy, foot in mouth or can’t close the deal). Seriously man this is archaic shit and what the hell are you doing on a seduction sub if you are doing the good Christian boy thing anyway? You can just go to church and find what you are looking for.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:44 PM
2

Bingo! You win the prize for giving the true answer.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:42 PM
1

Wow another incel!
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:41 PM
1

No it’s not. You are applying exactly what feminists fight against. A Madonna/whore patriarchy based stereotype. It’s ok for your mistress to be a loose woman but never the mother of your kids. And you of course can duck anything that walks with your golden penis. You’re a fucking hypocrite and a chauvinist. I’m actually amazed that any woman would give you the time of day.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:39 PM
3

Exactly. He’s a damn hypocrite.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:36 PM
1

Aren’t you quite the hypocrite.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:36 PM
2

Precisely what I mean. You have to not be thinking “I have to find this now!” When you do that, you project and that gives off a needy and desperate vibe that women feel easier and more keenly than we do. When I met my current girl I was actually at the party meeting up with another woman I had met the week before. Fortunately she did not see the initial look that my girl and I shared and we both worked really hard to act nonchalant while she was there. But the secondary I came back in the house…
/r/seduction03/04/22 04:21 AM
0

Whatever you think.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:43 AM
2

I had one of those a few months back. We did shit together to besides just fucking. But during the in between times one line here or there and that was it.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:42 AM
2

That doesn’t happen unless she is really seriously interested. Mine has done that and when I said I have to clean told me don’t bother she will take care of me. It’s a good sign.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:41 AM
2

Kudos to you. My girl often does this when she has something heavy going. Just did this this past week. Last weekend she had a small (I thought) NBD tiff with our close mutual friend. Then she took me to meet her life long best friend and besties hubby that same night and we all hit it off great. It was a big move for us especially from her to bring me that deep into her life as we had just discussed exclusivity for the last couple months. To clear that we have been FWB+ for some time but the pl…
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:40 AM
5

You know a few months ago my phone updated and I am able to pin nine contacts to the top of my messages. I told my girl and she did the same so now we always see right away if we message each other and several of our other mutuals in a group text we share. It solved that problem for both of us and helped her learn to communicate better with me.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:30 AM
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Yeah I’ll second this and say don’t throw out the baby with the bath water. I see way too many guys here talking about “if you don’t get an instant response ghost her ass and move on”. Gotta tell you that if I’d gone through my adult life doing this every time I didn’t get an instant response I’d likely have gotten about half the women I have - including my current girl who is not normally much of a texter. Literally it has teamed until the last two months that I get regular usually daily contac…
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:27 AM
4

I can tell you that if you are “looking” for it, the chances are incredibly slim that you will actually find something genuine.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:17 AM
1

And she continues with pursuit and action insofar as contact and interest? Yeah I’m sorry but I never have that happen if they aren’t actually interested. They either outright ghost or just fade away. They do not continue to initiate contact and pursue.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:14 AM
5

Uhhhh they sound pretty young so that’s really kind of not a qualifier.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:12 AM
2

To your first line of your second paragraph (sorry for some reason I have trouble with copy and paste here in the phone). Just a few days ago my girl (we’ve been together six months now) and I were talking about me taking my son and his friends out for his 21st birthday and how he had come to me before going to bed in tears and was thanking me for everything and for being his father and she replied “Awwww that is so sweet!” With a bunch of hearts and lovey faces because she was just thinking tha…
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:10 AM
9

Agreed. This is the way.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:00 AM
1

Not a shy or not forthcoming girl. That is a processing answer to me and needs to be gently clarified.
/r/seduction03/04/22 03:00 AM
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Nah I totally disagree with that. You have to treat each person as an individual and judge accordingly how you interact with them. If I had pushed hard four months ago, I would have made a huge mistake and guaranteed to lose her. Instead I backed things off and actually friend zoned HER for a month or two while I let her build attraction for me and get her nervousness and trust issues worked out. Sure enough when she came back around there was not only no hesitation but she was ready to declare …
/r/seduction03/04/22 02:59 AM
2

Can’t disagree with this. She is likely buying some time because you caught her off guard with something totally unexpected from where you were. Difference in my situation that I described above is that we were having sex from the second time together on so there was NEVER a question of that aspect of our interaction. Yes we are very close loving friends as well, but we are FWB with feelings for some time with the caveat that if it went along and developed well it would become more when we were …
/r/seduction03/04/22 02:55 AM
18

That’s a sure way to guarantee a hard no. Back her into a corner.
/r/seduction03/04/22 02:52 AM
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Yeah this is one good way to handle it although you make a really easy out if you do. Another is to simply be straight and tell her that you are really interested in moving in the direction of getting to know each other better but you aren’t trying to pressure her. That has worked very well for me with my girl as she was very gun shy and skittish early in coming from a bad break off of an engagement and me from a LTR I was also wanting to take out time. Now after six months things are moving alo…
/r/seduction03/04/22 02:50 AM
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Lmao. Not for about the last eight months and apparently you don’t read well since that person was not from that lifestyle. Just a girl in a bar.
/r/seduction01/04/22 01:13 AM
3

So here’s what worked for me and it’s not that extreme. And at 50 I was able to dump over thirty unwanted pounds in three months just in time Tom meet my current girl. Everyone at my work (medical) was into the fasting diet thing. I asked a lot of them how it worked. And I came out with a plan. I still would have my morning coffee but Splenda and sugar free creamer (a little) only. No breakfast at all. Easier for me because I’ve never been a big breakfast eater. No lunch until MINIMUM 2:30-3:00.…
/r/seduction01/04/22 12:24 AM
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Honestly when I just want to hook up with a girl I do t take them anywhere because 9/10 times it’s from a bar or club and the tenth time it’s spontaneous wherever the fuck we are at just find a place shit. Like at a party or something. Hell this one time I was camping at a nudist resort and hooking up with this chick. We had fun but it was the last night, late and I was gonna sleep in in the morning and she was getting in early to take off. So I was waking her back to her tent. Along the way I d…
/r/seduction31/03/22 11:59 PM
3

There is that. It is something you have to overcome. I’m fortunate now being older that I can easier but there were times where it hit me in the ass when I was younger.
/r/seduction31/03/22 11:52 PM
1

She is right. The number one piece of advice I will offer and what has always stood me in the greatest stead. Be yourself in the way you are where it counts to you.
/r/seduction31/03/22 11:51 PM
1

Yea exactly this.
/r/seduction31/03/22 11:50 PM
1

Don’t try to do it all in one jump. That doesn’t work for anyone trying to make a positive change. It simply will make you frustrated and want to take the easy route and quit. Try instead something small. When you are talking to a girl that you really want to be with next time. At some point when it feels right like you would normally take a conversation detour to slide away from emotion and openness - open up about something small that relates to your convo. Say she is telling you about her fam…
/r/seduction31/03/22 11:50 PM
4

This right here. I have been hurt - sometimes so badly it left king term emotional scars - more times than I can conveniently remember. It’s a part of life and of the experience of learning what and who are right for you. We are built to take hurt and heal. That’s how we work. It’s how we learn and how we grow. You will get hurt. You will feel helpless. You will think that the world has frozen in place and nothing can be right unless your oh me lights up with her name or you see her or whatever.…
/r/seduction31/03/22 11:38 PM
3

No I’m here to say that it’s not a dream when you cannot achieve the true satisfaction of one person that makes you want to leave that all behind and not care. I’ve had that twice in my life extended. Once was my college Gf. Nobody else existed for me and there were countless opportunities. The second time was my wife who turned out to be a terrible alcoholic/addict. I stuck it out for ten years trying to be enough to get her to quit and go dry. She died shortly after we finally split at age 40.…
/r/seduction31/03/22 11:29 PM
3

He is completely correct. I can play easy with my girl because I know that 1) she has zero problem telling me to come fuck her right now when she wants it and 2) because of past trauma (assault and abuse) when we get to a certain point of faded she gets in hero wan head and remembers being drug raped and freaks so I lay back and simply hold her while we sleep and do not push. But it’s on you to feel out your individual situation man. That’s where you are right now - learning what is the right th…
/r/seduction31/03/22 09:47 PM
2

Escalate and lean out. That’s the only things I can think of because you seem to be doing just fine otherwise. Also I’d aim for over 21 of you can. The younger ones are just not going to have commonalities with you.
/r/seduction31/03/22 09:42 PM
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Lmao I can give you a specific case. A month ago went to visit my bestie (female) in another city. We went to hang out at her local favorite spot. Tall emo girl is eyeing me up as we are shooting the shit, throwing darts and drinking. After an hour or so of watching her obviously watching I go to the bathroom. Come back and I sit down next to her at the bar and start chatting. This goes for the next couple hours. Finally she asks how old I am. I laugh and tell her to guess because I can see she’…
/r/seduction31/03/22 09:31 PM
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Yeah except that was her friend who while the same age (33) also has an older guy (42), was completely fucking with her and me on speaker anyway because she already knew all about me for the six months we’ve been together, and my girl doesn’t date younger than about 42 - 45 ever because they are immature jack asses and she can’t stand them. So nice try but big miss.
/r/seduction31/03/22 08:46 PM
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See you accepted reality and learned. I was fortunate enough from age 19 - 22 while in college to have a live together GF that looked like a supermodel and was built and ducked like a porn star. Looking back I realize that I was extremely fucking lucky that I happened to be k. The right place at the exact right time when I met her and I was really fucking lucky. I was also Fortunate to already be comfortable And smooth with women being raised by them to know what to do to feel socially comfortab…
/r/seduction31/03/22 08:44 PM
0

Bingo this is the way
/r/seduction31/03/22 08:13 PM
4

Yeah we will. My girls Bestie the other night (before we met for the first time) “oh he’s kinda old for you”. Same person thirty minutes later when we walked in thinking that I couldn’t hear her half drunk ass to my girl “holy shit girl he’s HOT you scored!” Yeah. Keep telling us what you all talk about 🤣🤣🤣
/r/seduction31/03/22 08:13 PM
3

You sound really immature.
/r/seduction31/03/22 08:10 PM
4

This is well stated and written. Besides her behind her years maturity (my girl is 33f I am 51m), and solid career and finances, I am a very active and fit fit and I am sick and damn tired of women who even if they are thin and healthy seem to just not be interested in actual physical activities together. I am an ex athlete. My girl was a college scholarship athlete in multiple sports and continues to ski, gold play tennis and do serious backpacking. I feel Like I have finally found someone that…
/r/seduction31/03/22 08:08 PM
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You are not wrong. And especially if you are a man who ages well and looks younger, is set and solid/steady and fit. I have found that my pool may be a bit higher on the lower end (although I still get hit on by under 25 year olds if I am out), but that the available range is like 25+ up to 60 now (I am 51).
/r/seduction31/03/22 08:03 PM
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Funny I’m older but similar in the range that I am primarily attracting. I (51m) currently with a 33f. We are FWB and during that time I have also been with a 41f, 50f and prior a 28f. Also several young ones in the swing scene before that. That was after breaking up with my LTR gf who was 46f back at the beginning of summer last year. I basically go with the women that the interest is mutual. I don’t have a set “range” that I need to be in. But since COVID and being single, I have noticed that …
/r/seduction31/03/22 08:00 PM
124

Bingo. That’s it in a nutshell.
/r/seduction31/03/22 07:52 PM
11

I find that the ones that jump me are either this, young super feminist women, or younger guys who are also in the jealous category but don’t want to bother improving themselves or learning how to get and keep women at all.
/r/seduction31/03/22 07:52 PM
1

Yes. It happens to me primarily here on Reddit (all subs). I am a 51m and my current FWB+ for the past six months (the plus is feelings and that Wes remained going to be more eventually) is a 33f. I don’t get it from people who know me IRL because they know that the things I say here about how young I look and that she pursued me first not the other way around are facts and not some Reddit BS. And the fact is that we have had a bond, attraction and feelings for each other since moment one and th…
/r/seduction31/03/22 07:49 PM
1

It means that those PUA “experts are full of shit. Guys who aren’t in you tube or here bullshitting on the weekend are actually out getting women. That’s what it means.
/r/seduction30/03/22 04:26 PM
1

Why do you waste time on BS talkers? You’ll notice you never see me posting on weekend nights.
/r/seduction30/03/22 02:47 PM
5

Funny that you say this. Last weekend I had invited my girl out of town with me. She wishy washed between no and yes and then finally decided no because we had been out all night for St pattys and she had a game to go to the next night so wanted to catch up on sleep the next day. No skin off my ass as it was a soft invite and I was going either way. I talked to my bestie (female) that night who lives near where I was going. She’s like come to my bar and I’ll feed you and come back and hang out a…
/r/seduction30/03/22 05:00 AM
5

Back in the gym more for cardio/stamina building than cut (I have some free weights at home and use those and general calisthenics for cut ) but even at 51 it literally takes me just two weeks to look much bigger and toned and after a month I match physically my very young appearance. I also found that I can slim back down a lot more than I thought because I have improved my diet markedly the past year or so.
/r/seduction25/03/22 02:34 AM
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It’s good to be out with a group because it makes you look socially accepted. Personally I recommend - and always utilize - a mixed group of men and women. I NEVER go out with “just the guys” for more years than I can remember. It’s a guarantee of having to deal with dude dumb shut maneuvers and mouth. But when you actually approach? Always just me. I don’t ever want to be beholden to a wing person and if anyone with me cannot handle that then they need to understand that I will not be hanging o…
/r/seduction17/03/22 03:04 AM
5

No and I never would. And anyone that would is a fucked up manipulative piece of shit. There is no counter argument to justify acting like that. And for the record I’m a man and that’s facts.
/r/seduction17/03/22 02:58 AM
1

Nah. If I’m doing well I’m good. If things dry up then I change it up or take a break. I don’t need to write anything down to know that. Right now over the last month or two my FWB and I have been moving toward being a lot more serious. And as a result I have found that I am not really making a serious effort when I am out and even when I pull contacts I don’t follow up much. I have feelings for her and she for me and that is intensifying and she made clear this weekend that she really wants to …
/r/seduction15/03/22 04:26 AM
0

But why bother? This isn’t sports metrics. Go out. Have a good time. Be relaxed and be yourself. If your success rate is greater than zero then there isn’t really anything to worry about is there?
/r/seduction15/03/22 04:08 AM
1

Go very easy and don’t make the mistake of trying to drink along with anyone regular. You will find yourself in over your head and getting stupid.
/r/seduction15/03/22 01:27 AM
2

People actually track this shit? What do you ask her to wait one while you pull out your handy dandy notepad? Lmfao!!!
/r/seduction15/03/22 01:25 AM
1

Way overthinking and also trying to hard to impress. My guess would be that neighborhood bar is a cozy spot where it’s much easier to have an intimate - or at least normal volume - conversation. That’s your best first date bet. Don’t set unrealistic expectations right off the bat.
/r/seduction15/03/22 12:28 AM
4

When I met my current girl it was at a social group party. I walked out the back door and looked across the patio and we locked eyes and she just stopped talking and stared and I stopped and stared. There was no question at all.
/r/seduction14/03/22 10:42 PM
2

I can absolutely tell. And honestly when I have acted on it I have never been wrong yet.
/r/seduction14/03/22 10:39 PM
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I have patiently spent the last six months with my FWB waiting for her to come around and figure things out. You know why? Not because I’m a beta/simp/cuck. Not because I’m a “nice guy” (although I am actually a really nice good guy and good human which she loves and respects and cherishes about me). Not because I’ve been “friendzoned” (we sleep together regularly). Because I actually love, respect and care about her. I knew she needed some time to build love and trust. I also knew that she was …
/r/seduction14/03/22 05:00 PM
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Everything and every interaction with a woman in life is NOT a shit test. The vast majority of women are not going to be that aggressive. They will give you this kind of a subtle means to show you they are open to more. She just met you and was inviting you into a situation. That was compromising and potentially unsafe for her. That’s a pretty obvious advance to me and an open invite for you to move things ahead to the next stage. Immediately.
/r/seduction14/03/22 03:48 PM
5

This right here. There are ALWAYS opportunities to stop and back/walk away at any time before actual entry into her vagina. You need to just go with the flow and not worry about anything ancillary when you are in the moment. You can always deal with that later.
/r/seduction14/03/22 03:45 PM
6

This right here. I am currently with a woman who is 33. I am 51. I did not go looking for this as I am not about that at all. She made her interest in me very clear at the beginning and I made clear that we would allow things to come along naturally in time if they were going to. So far so good. But ultimately if you are targeting younger and are now 30 you are going to have to accept that the older you get, the more often you are going to hear that from both younger women you approach and peopl…
/r/seduction14/03/22 03:42 PM
2

You are not even on her radar as a man. You are nothing to her but a walking ATM/service device to be used as needed. You need to have more self respect and confidence than to be trying to desperately garner female attention by buying it. It will never work with a regular woman. If you want to buy sex, see as prostitute. That way everyone is on board and knows what is going to happen.
/r/seduction14/03/22 03:34 PM
-1

Right. And as a high value guy I am even farther ahead in person. I’ll tell you I have some luck here and there in the apps. But it’s mostly very random/ timing based. Like they happen to be looking when I’m on doing a boost because I am bored. Now Bumble is much better in my experience and that includes just hookups. Tinder is very difficult even with everything optimized because of the huge number of bots, scammers and women who simply seek validation attention. It’s not really worth it to me …
/r/seduction13/03/22 12:01 AM
2

Remind me one hour.
/r/seduction11/03/22 11:58 PM
1

I’m a little surprised that you - as a woman - would have any issues at all. I can see a couple of cold footed fools here and there, but really you should have such a backup of guys that you can pick and choose whoever you want. Are you super picky or something and average looking? I’m trying to make sense out of this.
/r/seduction11/03/22 08:01 PM
2

So the first question I ask you is have you slept together in the past? You say you are “friends” but you didn’t specify what type. Honestly if you are just friends she probably simply feels comfortable with you. While she may be feeling the freedom and options of college, she needs to make that decision and actually let her BF go clean before she goes to the next guy. Because that’s simply monkey-branching and you really don’t want to just be the guy she used for that if you want some thing rea…
/r/seduction11/03/22 07:56 PM
2

Nah there’s nothing happening here. Don’t project your own problems on to other people”s situations. That’s not advice just sour grapes and bitterness.
/r/seduction11/03/22 07:52 PM
1

This
/r/seduction11/03/22 07:50 PM
5

Validation attention.
/r/seduction11/03/22 07:50 PM
2

So having lived with an number of wives and long term girlfriends can you explain this to me please? I find that if you are that committed it’s a lot easier to just keep one house but still respect space and life needs and activities. Why are so many people so crazy resistant to sharing their space today especially given the insane cost of living?
/r/seduction11/03/22 04:30 AM
2

Exactly.
/r/seduction09/03/22 08:54 PM
2

Not if a guy is being a rude and aggressive fuck. I’m sorry calm me old fashioned (I am btw) but someone who is acting aggressive toward a lady and crossing boundaries disrespectfully needs to be checked and quite possibly taught a lesson. If you think otherwise than you might want to check your man card. There’s being polite and appropriate and allowing for her to make the right choice. Then there’s sneaky simp fucks who hit on your girl while you are in a date and up in the restroom. I’m sorry…
/r/seduction09/03/22 06:42 PM
7

Also a really good way today to get yourself in legal hot water both criminal and civil.
/r/seduction09/03/22 06:37 PM
6

Agree here. I have literally hundreds of nudes, videos of sexual fun and the like with multiple different partners over the years. As well as ones shared with me for fun. Never once have I shared, shown or allowed anyone to see any of them. They are also in protected and locked secure applications on the phone and the computer. As far as why they share them? The vast majority who do so in a public or even semi public manner (not personal just to an SO or interest) do so for validation attention.
/r/seduction09/03/22 06:36 PM
1

Of course you do and I stated that. However that doesn’t make it ok or mean that you should ever tolerate some jackass moving on your girl. Especially when he’s supposed to be serving your ass.
/r/seduction09/03/22 06:02 PM
109

Sounds to me like you have a really easy in with a lot of very interested women.
/r/seduction09/03/22 05:41 PM
13

So she should have let you know about it before you paid the bill. You could have left a nickel and a note saying “here’s a tip, don’t hit in another guys girl when you’re trying to make tips and you might get paid”. Honestly this situation today really gets me steamed. I am not at all a jealous guy and there is never any issue with the woman I am with as they generally will blow the guy off and even get nasty if they continue to push. But the attitude espoused now that “everything is fair game”…
/r/seduction09/03/22 04:28 PM
0

The only thing about the once a week masturbation routine is that as a medical person that sounds like a good way to prostate problems when you get older.
/r/seduction09/03/22 02:31 PM
1

The funny thing is that most often I find my most erotic fantasy material when I’m masturbating is thinking about things I have really enjoyed sexually with women that I have been with. It gets me far more aroused and more intensively so than any outside porn.
/r/seduction09/03/22 02:29 PM
2

No read my post above for an example.
/r/seduction09/03/22 02:27 PM
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These are great points. I feel that the biggest problem now is that the concepts are getting to be very aggressive and negative to sell it. Domination/force/CNC. Cuckolding (mostly in a completely twisted manner). Taboo sex. Without even getting into the really nasty stuff just these subjects alone are being treated as if they are mainstream and common behavior. That is though the farthest thing from the truth. Most women - especially relatively inexperienced young ones - are going to run scream…
/r/seduction09/03/22 02:26 PM
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Eventually maybe but to get it going just do what you need to do if you’re thaat interested. If it’s not that big a deal then don’t and take your chances but understand there will be the guy(s) that will. And the guy(s) that work her same hours and are available. Thats what you have to understand. People today like the easy route.
/r/seduction09/03/22 02:16 PM
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You make a good point that I am forgetting about. When my current FWB and I started I literally thought she was going to fuck me in front of our friends. She literally sat in my lap in a little mini dress and very intentionally lifted it up and sat back grinding on me with nothing but a tiny thong on. You are correct if it’s there it’s no question.
/r/seduction09/03/22 06:24 AM
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So I’m curious because of a personal situation that strikes me as similar and I may be able to help by describing it. So my FWB (never any friends only intentions - she chased me she caught me from moment one and it was mutual) is an absolute sweetheart. Nice to everyone and never a bad thing to say about people. But most guys assume this means that she is interested in them and not just being friendly and social. So she ends up with a lot of them aggressively hitting on her and often ending up …
/r/seduction09/03/22 06:21 AM
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Don’t listen to him.
/r/seduction09/03/22 06:07 AM
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Keep in mind that from your post you haven’t exactly made things easy with your “time restrictions”. I don’t know how old you are or what you do right now (school or work) but I can give you this. I am 51 with a full time job as a medical professional. I have my own business as well. I have two sons at home as a single dad - one college age and one jr high. I am in the process of running for office as a statewide officer of a large organization. I’m a fucking busy person. When my FWB, other wome…
/r/seduction09/03/22 05:45 AM
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Every time I think I’ve done a dumbass guy maneuver, I get in here and find that I’m just fine. This is so obvious to me that she wants to get with you but also wants friend approval.
/r/seduction09/03/22 05:35 AM
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Ditto.
/r/seduction09/03/22 05:32 AM
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That’s the thing. Some women are just not ok with being with you until they have approval.
/r/seduction09/03/22 05:31 AM
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Uh just how dumb are you? She very obviously wanted you and you didn’t get the hint or just weren’t into her that way. Either way this is garden variety shit here.
/r/seduction09/03/22 05:31 AM
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This. I cannot emphasize enough to guys here. BE FRIENDS WITH WOMEN. You will be rewarded.
/r/seduction09/03/22 05:29 AM
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You have a great point. Most big things in life really come down to either hard work (but that only applies to certain things and after the other thing) or pure dumb luck of being in the right place at the right time.
/r/seduction09/03/22 03:45 AM
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He’s right you know. I have found that every single time - including currently - that I stopped trying to “look” for seriousness or “love” are the times that it found me and it was always a complete surprise.
/r/seduction09/03/22 01:47 AM
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Man had a point that I cannot argue with. And honestly I’m my latest single period (starting last July) things have changed a LOT. Idk if it’s a covid thing, a world thing or just a thing. But I find most often the women I meet really are very much NOT looking for a relationship and the bold ones who aren’t afraid or hung up will be very straightforward that they simply want sex and no “strings” (meaning YOU) attached. One of the main rewinds that my FWB right now is that is because she isn’t re…
/r/seduction09/03/22 01:43 AM
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This is a good potential strategy as well. It may just have to do with where you are and where you are at.
/r/seduction09/03/22 01:38 AM
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Very good in the reply. I often talk about how I “do not approach but make them approach me”. But that is not necessarily anything at all like what a man thinks of as an approach. We are coached and pushed and egged on to go up to a woman cold and start a convo or introduce ourselves and somehow spin that into a successful relationship or at least an encounter. A long time ago I realized that if instead of trying to aggressively push ahead of every jackass that thinks you need to be pushy and fo…
/r/seduction09/03/22 01:36 AM
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Lmao! None of us can help seeing your constant posts here. Don’t feel special.
/r/seduction08/03/22 09:18 PM
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Uh yeah. Being derisive doesn’t score you belief points bud. It makes you look too foolish to understand the example. That was two women who are comfortable enough with me to have a “girl talk” honest conversation in front of and including me. Honest talk that most guys NEVER get to hear. And I’m not eating my time because literally everything you post is straight up PUA pap.
/r/seduction08/03/22 06:16 PM
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Yeah I had this with my regular FWB a couple months ago. She literally apologized to me for us not sleeping together for a whole and proceeds to tell me she is in a “lesbian phase” (she has a kinda thing for girls here and there and wants to do one together some time) and has been just feeling girl/girl porn with her vibe. This was in Jan then two weeks ago we go camping and she practically raped me the second we get into the tent for the night 🤷🏻‍♂️. I just smile and wave.
/r/seduction08/03/22 05:16 PM
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I’m addressing you and I have seen your stuff continuously. You often suggest all kinds of PUA sources to people here. I just feel like if you are posting this genuinely then it must be a personal issue. Otherwise what’s the point? This conversation is a dead horse that has been beaten into atoms and risen from the grave countless times. There is no yes or no or definitive answer because it’s totally dependent on individual preferences and experience. You cannot go and magically make all women s…
/r/seduction08/03/22 05:13 PM
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Not necessarily. I had a FWB last summer who was six feet tall and had a kid but she couldn’t take more than half (8 x 3.5) except when completely turned on and very wet and only in a couple of positions and very slowly and carefully. By contrast my current FWB is 5’6” and tiny/petite but loves that I fill her exactly perfect to that just stuffed feeling. Women’s vaginal anatomy does not necessarily go with their height at all.
/r/seduction08/03/22 05:01 PM
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I have had this a lot over the years as well. It’s been discouraging a lot of times because it was somebody who I was trying to see if there was more there. It actually happened just recently with a woman I met off Bumble. We had incredible crazy hot sex and also had hit it off really well. Lots of common interests. Both with kids in the same age range. Live close to each other (a challenge a lot of times in a fair sized city). Had fun going out and doing things together. It started as booty cal…
/r/seduction08/03/22 04:58 PM
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Just saw this and I’m like “WTF 🤷🏻‍♂️?!?!”
/r/seduction08/03/22 04:48 PM
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This
/r/seduction08/03/22 04:30 PM
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Not really. Why would you even bring this up? I know that you are always here acting like you are some kind of expert PUA for everyone. But I also believe you are selling some bullshit You Tube or site/app because a lot of your stuff is like this subject and actually has ZERO to do with Seduction. I mean are you really thinking that I walk up to girls and say “hey baby I’ve got an eight inch dick let’s go!”? C’mon man the entire thing is ludicrous.
/r/seduction08/03/22 04:22 PM
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This is a really good point that I have to agree with wholeheartedly. It’s pretty rare times that I have been with someone who I can be that spontaneous with as most women need more warm up time. Now if it’s been a period of flirting/teasing/arousal for a while that usually helps but I have only ever been able to just slide right in after extensive oral and usually fingering to at least two to three to prepare her. It absolutely kills that fun of the random danger quickie encounter or sudden urg…
/r/seduction08/03/22 04:18 PM
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🙋🏻‍♂️ #truth
/r/seduction08/03/22 04:14 PM
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Funny I had this happen just two weeks ago. I went camping with my FWB. We aren’t committed but we are very close and have feelings. Obviously we also sleep together. We were sharing my tent and bed for the weekend and this was already established. One of the other people in the small group was a woman who was new. Attractive but older than me by a few years (I’m 51 my FWB 33). She was very flirty and friendly. My FWB (and we are both free to do our thing it’s not currently a committed relations…
/r/seduction02/03/22 08:54 PM
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So I’ll go over what I think are the reasons and you decide what it if it is helpful. First me personally. I am tall (6’3”) so I generally stand out from the general crowd. The fact that I almost always wear boots or nicer mens heeled shoes so I get an extra inch to inch and a half of height. That’s also a great thing for shorter guys to know that you can gain some that way without being obvious or using lifts. I always dress well or theme (ie - yesterday I was at a Mardi Gras parade and parties…
/r/seduction28/02/22 09:01 PM
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This is true of any new situation in life and your first interaction with someone is no different.
/r/seduction28/02/22 08:22 PM
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That’s the best part. They approach me. I don’t waste time chasing if I don’t already know they are interested.
/r/seduction28/02/22 06:33 AM
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It gets even better than that as you get older and I’m not sure where it will stop. I’m 51 and it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. My primary FWB is 32 and the one before her was 28.
/r/seduction28/02/22 04:19 AM
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You’re a girl. Give him an obvious hint and you will be filled with his cock before you can say boo. And be careful about the coworker thing. Bad plan always.
/r/seduction28/02/22 12:46 AM
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My personal experience was in Cabo not TJ. I met a girl there the first night of my vacation and ended up sharing our bed the entire time. She was also in vacation form Northern Mexico (they apparently also utilize their tourist spots) and was a bank officer. So it isn’t in the same range.
/r/seduction28/02/22 12:45 AM
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Text less. Maybe call.
/r/seduction28/02/22 12:24 AM
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This is actually an excellent post here and more of the type of thing that needs to be here. You just acted natural and went with the flow. There is no better method of seduction than to read what is happening and react accordingly. It’s not some magic secret. It’s basic human interaction.
/r/seduction28/02/22 12:00 AM
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My correct use of Chtzpah comes from my Ashkenazi background. My point is not so much personal attack as that yours are typical of people who feel the need to interfere with others based solely on THEIR decision to do so which usually bases in a selfishness and jealousy not true protectiveness. Or a need to be “in charge” or the “mother hen”. As an example. About two and a half months ago I was out at a local live music venue hosting for my social group as I often do. I was dancing near a group …
/r/seduction27/02/22 05:43 PM
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You are either a woman who cock blocks because the guys always pass you over for your better looking friends or a guy who is constantly “friend zoned” Because you don’t have the “chutzpah” to man up and get some pussy. Either way it’s not anyone else’s business to interfere in an adult’s choices.
/r/seduction27/02/22 09:05 AM
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This. Just create larger gaps between interactions until you are basically completely ignoring her.
/r/seduction27/02/22 01:25 AM
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Hey if it works for you, knock yourself out. Not my style and I’ve never been interested.
/r/seduction27/02/22 12:59 AM
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I have been doing that for thirty years and ever had a problem with women from it. I’ve had any number of butt hurt guys though and snively little fuckers that won’t confront a big tall guy.
/r/seduction26/02/22 04:28 PM
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I stay this over and over in this sub. Cold approach is an aggressive tactic pushed by PUA’s and it’s mostly bullshit. Especially today when women are very guarded and on edge in almost every environment. I have always been about observing and being patient to see which women have an interest in ME. When I see the signs and tells of them having interest I will still wait a bit and see if they outright approach me or give obvious openings that they WANT me to approach them.
/r/seduction26/02/22 02:17 PM
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It sounds more like you talked to some pussy ass motherfuckers girl and he tried to fuck with you passive aggressive.
/r/seduction26/02/22 02:12 PM
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You’re welcome and good luck!
/r/seduction26/02/22 01:52 AM
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Bingo!
/r/seduction26/02/22 01:48 AM
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There’s a point where a self defeatist attitude cannot be cured form then outside though. I’ve gone round and round with guys here giving advice, answers and suggestions and just keep getting negative “woe is me” responses. At a certain point you can lead a horse to water.
/r/seduction26/02/22 01:47 AM
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truth
/r/seduction26/02/22 01:45 AM
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Story of my life.
/r/seduction26/02/22 01:44 AM
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Honestly this is one of the best posts I have seen in this sub. And it’s also what I keep trying to get across to guys. Stop whining and bitching and acting like some quivering little rabbit with the wolf bearing down on you. Just act like you would with anyone and shit or get off the pot as my dad always used to say.
/r/seduction26/02/22 01:44 AM
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This is a strong possibility. I am on the side of this with my FWB where we aren’t actually committed but we live and care about each other and have great sex. We just both like to fuck around and hook up when we are out or partying and not with each other 🤷🏻‍♂️.
/r/seduction25/02/22 09:19 PM
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Escalating is like he said. Break the touch barrier in subtle ways. It doesn’t mean rip her clothes off and duck her in the middle of the park. A big point of greater escalation for me is always when I test going to sexual by putting my hand on her thigh - full palm open and fingers slightly extended - and first leaves it there as if not even thinking about it but creating a casual familiarity that you would have with a girlfriend or regular lover. Then if she dies not inject or seems to close s…
/r/seduction25/02/22 09:17 PM
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All this exactly. Also I have found out that even though Bumble is seen as “ladies choice” and more for professional and looking for a relationship women, my experience more recently (past year) has been that every one I actually physically get together with off Bumble has been all about casual sex and was just playing “good girl” because that is how most women have been conditioned to act. One in particular comes to mind. She is a school secretary. Mom of three. Profile says relationship and se…
/r/seduction25/02/22 09:12 PM
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Then hit it in the car. Be creative man. Sometimes that’s even exactly what they want because they are a closet freak (exhibitionist or whatever).
/r/seduction25/02/22 09:02 PM
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This sounds like way too much drama and effort. You sound like the casual hook ups my FWB and I have with others. Meanwhile we very much love each other and have no intentions of getting involved with any of these other people we just don’t want a traditional “relationship” right now. We do all kinds of big events and special activities together (just went camping last weekend with friends) and neither of us dies anything more than a casual hookup or maybe a meal with anyone else. I’d assess if …
/r/seduction25/02/22 09:00 PM
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There are different levels and situations though. Example one - my primary FWB is also now one of my best friends. It’s a little different because we might take it to the next level one of these days but we are also still open and don’t keep each other from other action. Example two. My very good friend is the organizer of our social groups. Five years ago when I first joined she made very clear to me after the first few events that she wanted to use me to host because it “brought in the women”.…
/r/seduction25/02/22 08:54 PM
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Uh no.
/r/seduction25/02/22 03:09 AM
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Good. Bye.
/r/seduction23/02/22 08:02 PM
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Dude I get a feeling of resentment from your OP and follow up posts. Improve yourself and increase your value. I am approached all the time.
/r/seduction23/02/22 07:22 PM
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He posted a pic. I look at him and think “young twenties” which is generically anything from 21 - 25 from my perspective. My third child and older son is almost 21 (next month) and has girls up to almost thirty hitting on him both IRL and online constantly. The only reason he doesn’t act in it is because he wants to be old enough to order a glass of wine at dinner or a cocktail or go to a club or bar with them.
/r/seduction23/02/22 05:57 PM
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The only “legal” women I will get with under upper twenties are those that are coming to parties or events or clubs in the Swinger Lifestyle. That’s an entirely different thing but it is also strictly about sex in that circumstance and everyone is fully aware what is going on. It’s not pursuing them as a creepy older dude. Shit. I don’t even pay attention to women that young when I’m out nor do I talk to them. They would bore me to tears. That’s why it’s only any good for sex. I was visiting a f…
/r/seduction23/02/22 03:28 AM
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Actually as a genuinely decent human being I find that sort of manipulation to be absolutely as beta as you can get and totally despicable. I get laid just fine being me. I have never had to sucker or manipulate a woman into sleeping with me out of pity, gratitude or any other of that range of cringeworthy behavior. I actually watched this the other night with my FWB. The guy who was camping with us (group of five, her and I and one other guy and two other women). He got really drunk and started…
/r/seduction23/02/22 03:03 AM
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Good score! Hey no worries. I can tell you we’ve all been there and we go through that sort of shit from time to time. Nothing like kissy to straighten your head out and give you post nut clarity. I had this happen around the holidays. A fucking shit load of women that were just ALMOST same night hookups and had numbers and shit set and couldn’t get anything going. Three weeks and my main FWB was into her ski season (she’s a crazy nut skier it’s her passion) so I knew I wasn’t going to get with …
/r/seduction23/02/22 02:52 AM
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Yeah I had a really funny one this last weekend while camping with my FWB and three other friends. Convo was just flowing around the fire and the other guy there (2 m 3 f total) asked where something was of hers and she responded instantly “oh it’s in MY tent”. We were sharing my tent and all the bed and obviously everything else. Dude kind of raises his eyebrows as I smile quietly (we were all drinking and other stuff so a little in vino veritas was to be expected) and he says “oh in YOUR tent?…
/r/seduction23/02/22 02:33 AM
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Personally I would be here on your second one: “Well it seems it’s time for somebody to be taught some manners!” Follow ups or continuations: “We can start pants on but if you wiggle that ass is bare” (you better have a back up job lined up for this one) “I’ll bet that attitude changes really quick in private” “You think you’re in charge huh? Well we can change that” “It turns me on that I get you so excited” “Somebody really needs some serious attention…” (all about to e and implication here) A…
/r/seduction23/02/22 02:04 AM
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Nah man. I’m 51 and it’s easier than ever. I don’t look for or go regularly score women under about 28 but then I’m also not targeting them because I’m not interested. The value of the experience cannot be overstated. That’s why I try to share here whatever I can.
/r/seduction23/02/22 01:06 AM
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Yeah you get it. But I think we established this before.
/r/seduction23/02/22 01:05 AM
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Agreed. I’m ten years older than you and date 18-20 years down and they come to me. It’s really individually dependent more than anything. They either want a daddy or they want their life and freedom respected (my FWB) or they simply are sick of the immature bullshit from guys their age. Another one I am hearing a LOT now from all of my women friends is the lack of “sexual compatibility”. They can’t get it up or barely can. Especially when drinking (and most aren’t comfortable talking to the wom…
/r/seduction23/02/22 01:01 AM
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Dude you look fine but that attitude is absolutely sething through you and I absolutely guarantee that they are feeling it and all but running and screaming.
/r/seduction23/02/22 12:53 AM
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Ok man now you went incel and lost me. This is nothing but misogynistic blather and incel bullshit. Your issues are yours. You want advice? Own your shit and take responsibility. Sitting here saying you want to hook up with barely legal teens and then turning around and slut shaming the exact women you just cannot get because you are a neck beard introvert incel? Now you’re just a joke dude. A meme for those girls to insult. Get some fucking therapy man. That’s what you really need.
/r/seduction23/02/22 12:51 AM
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You’re couch analyzing here and it’s actually getting thick and deep. The guy is 25 not 35 or 40 or more chasing 18 year olds. It’s pretty ducking normal and common for a long time. I had girls in senior year back in High school I’m the eighties dating guys who were late in college and grad students and older. Normal families no daddy issues. Most were highly intelligent honor students who simply were bored by guys anywhere close to their age. For OP I’ve offered some stuff but honestly I’d say …
/r/seduction23/02/22 12:21 AM
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Honestly that doesn’t begin to actually apply until you are much older. Think like 36 (18+7 = 25) which would still be a bit much for a lot of people but a lot more realistic for that formula. I’m in this situation with my FWB (I’m 51 she is basically 33 in a week so 25.5 + 7 = 32.5). Round up to 33 we are right in the edge and she is still 18 years younger so I get tons of shit on Reddit and we both get crap in our social group.
/r/seduction23/02/22 12:15 AM
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You aren’t nearly old enough for that type of “older guy” attraction. That’s why you are catching younger cougars without working to hard. They are looking for a 25 year old guy with stamina. College age girls looking for an “older guy” are generally looking at a minimum of 28 and well established/financially able to provide the fun life. More likely they are going thirty and up. No matter how well you are doing that way, you aren’t going to catch many just because the competition has all the ad…
/r/seduction23/02/22 12:09 AM
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Exactly. Moreso he isn’t your friend if he acts like this. So he can fuck right off and you do you. It’s really that simple.
/r/seduction22/02/22 07:37 PM
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Got that. Go back to what I said I. My original response. Cold approach. I’m not talking about parties, clubs and bars and such. I’m talking about just walking up in the street, quad, library or hallway. Cold day approach most women are on guard automatically and not relaxed. Anything seeming aggressive will out then on guard.
/r/seduction22/02/22 01:42 AM
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But you said yourself they often as a safety just automatically interact so you don’t get weird. A lot of guys do and that’s not on you but they are automatically on defense these days. Maybe you are over aggressive when you approach?
/r/seduction22/02/22 01:37 AM
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This is something you are doing man. I rarely get either 1) rejected or 2) a non responder. I also don’t come approach rando women and start hitting on them and pushing for a number right off. I give time until I am sure that is welcomed.
/r/seduction22/02/22 01:19 AM
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Lmao not likely if she’s out with a pack of women!
/r/seduction22/02/22 01:13 AM
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I had this conversation with my FWB this past weekend (we are non exclusive). She and I both play around with Bumble but it’s more about something to do when bored and neither she nor I are looking for anything “serious” or “long term” so it’s probably is who are fucking with people out there. We both literally just find hook ups when we are in the mood and mostly don’t even answer people.
/r/seduction22/02/22 01:12 AM
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Maybe she’s Bi and into girls too? 🤷🏻‍♂️
/r/seduction21/02/22 11:41 PM
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So I will tell you that (it will sound like bragging but just facts) I am 51. First I have very good genetics. I look like I am in my very early to mid thirties and have been told so over and over by a huge variety of people that have nothing to gain with me by saying it. And the genuine shock I see when I tell them my real age gives it away. I am also 6’3” tall and generally wear boots that make me 2-3” taller yet. I come in at a fit and lean 195#. I am good looking and have a good paying great…
/r/seduction21/02/22 11:36 PM
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But you do make the point that having the height, looks, wherewithal , etc is NOT any kind of guarantee at all. I am tall, good looking and much younger get looking than my age by almost twenty years and do well financially with a great job and all. But I always put my ultimate success with women to the fact that I have long ago learned to master the game when it comes to not just seduction or attraction (the easiest part and often almost automatic) but the ESCALATION and the CLOSING part. You k…
/r/seduction21/02/22 10:40 PM
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True but the reactions are the same because the relativity of the age spread are the same based in experience and maturity level. The bigger problem with what he is talking about is twofold. One is that he is going in a hardcore pursuit not just happening to have cute young women hit him up in the club or at a party. Two is that the true gap in maturity between 33 and 18-22 is realistically a twenty or more year gap based on experience alone. Your first ten years of adulthood are the experience …
/r/seduction21/02/22 10:23 PM
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Nope. You just don’t have that chemistry. It’s really that simple. My FWB and I have insane and inherent chemistry. We will literally just be standing there chatting with people and she will just come over and suddenly tuck in under my arm and lay her head against my chest for a minute just to be close. That’s your difference.
/r/seduction21/02/22 07:39 PM
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Of course I completely get that. The part that gets me irritated is when I have - especially women my age range and young men who are all simply jealous - get all bent seeing me with a younger woman. Just dealt with it this past weekend. My friend and I have been sleeping together since September. She was the one who came after ME and I actually tried to talk her out of it for a while despite the fact that I had feelings for her as well. We settled on a FWB situation that crosses the line all th…
/r/seduction21/02/22 07:35 PM
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It was the only part there that was over the line I agree. But this brings up a funny point. I have a woman friend who just the other day was telling about her (33) hooking up with a 24 year old guy in a recent trip. Funny how you won’t find anyone calling her a creep or anything like that but it’s the same damn thing.
/r/seduction21/02/22 06:11 PM
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I play in the swinger lifestyle for most of my adult life so I have a different perspective. While there are plenty of people in the lifestyle that set a rule of not playing with youngsters because of the drama factor, they are in the minority and generally older couples. I have played at 45+ (now 51) with women as young as 19 in lifestyle settings (ie - party, club) and the fact is that as a consenting adult you can make the choice to legally walk in the door and get together with whoever you c…
/r/seduction21/02/22 06:08 PM
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First I’m not going to judge your preference as long as it’s legal that’s your thing. I am curious as to why you are targeted specifically down into a range where it is common for people to look at a man your age and say that you are either very immature so women your age aren’t interested or you know that they aren’t because you aren’t anything they are interested in for whatever reason. And last if you are just after it for casual lays or just because you see them at work every day and just wa…
/r/seduction21/02/22 05:58 PM
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Says the troll. That’s pretty funny.
/r/seduction18/02/22 11:14 PM
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Of course. It’s the same attraction as porn stars. Most guys THINK they want them. Most would even go for a fuck session with them. But that’s it. It’s all shown no substance. And endless drama because that’s what fuels them.
/r/seduction18/02/22 10:41 PM
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Well I could have pointed out that you are just an incel gamer boy comou feel that obviously has zero experience to back up what you say. Oops! Guess is said it.
/r/seduction18/02/22 10:28 PM
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Your risk man. If that’s what floats your boat have fun.
/r/seduction18/02/22 10:23 PM
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Paragraph three - EVERYONE FUCKING READ THIS A HUNDRED TIMES!!! My FWB for this coming weekend offered to “share her gear” for camping (or tent and sleeping bag). I almost fucked it up by going pure dork and saying “oh I’ve got a tent and stuff” 🤦🏻‍♂️! Luckily I recovered and we will be sharing my large tent and comfortable air bed tonight and tomorrow. Paragraph four is also a good possibility. It’s funny that women react this way while we tend to latch on and get clingy in this situation. But …
/r/seduction18/02/22 10:21 PM
5

This right here. I am finding that women I do land from OLD (especially bumble) are often just using it for side dick. I have one that I met off bumble and was sleeping with two nights later on Xmas eve. This chick is a mom and school secretary that claims to be divorced. She is a total freak, any kind of regular sex, anal, fisting and the regular dom stuff with choking, control and all. She is also Bi. The first time she ghosted because she was “exploring getting back together with an ex”. Text…
/r/seduction18/02/22 10:16 PM
1

That’s pretty fucking reverse racist. I have literally been with every race woman available and multiple times. The closest I have to a “type” are either petite and fuck toy or stacked but fit. Notice I didn’t say shit about skin color or race there.
/r/seduction18/02/22 10:01 PM
0

It works to be a “daddy” type (literally but pimp look too which gives away the dumb part) with professional status and money.
/r/seduction18/02/22 09:59 PM
12

Please don’t confuse “high quality” with “high maintenance”. They are two drastically different things.
/r/seduction18/02/22 09:53 PM
0

Only if they are trash and that goes no matter what culture, race or whatever.
/r/seduction18/02/22 09:52 PM
4

Don’t. I’ve done this six to eight months ago with a Russian girl exactly like you describe. Six feet tall and stacked. Way younger than me (28 I’m 51) and hot. Nails and all the other accessories. The sex was great. She was good to go from night one. Pretty aggressive- she hit me up and came on to me at the club hard core - and very specific about likes and dislikes. Always bringing me little gifts and stuff. No problem coming to my place to spend the night whenever I called for it. Only a FWB …
/r/seduction18/02/22 09:47 PM
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You can approach me any time or way you like. But for most here I’d say make it painfully obvious or they will be clueless or scared to death.
/r/seduction17/02/22 11:45 PM
1

Sometimes. It completely depends on context and flow and what message I am trying to get across.
/r/seduction17/02/22 10:11 PM
3

Big dick.
/r/seduction17/02/22 10:10 PM
5

Yeah I try to be positive here and decent. But man are you fucking kidding me with this loser shit?!?! Go out and do something about yourself.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:46 AM
3

Don’t sweat it. I have ten ti twenty times as many numbers that never pan out as I do successes and I am very successful. It’s how it is.
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:23 AM
2

Good on you and glad that things are working out well for you! Good luck going forward!
/r/seduction16/02/22 01:05 AM
3

Lol different story. Play at your own risk then.
/r/seduction15/02/22 09:55 PM
3

No problem but don’t glom on to false expectations or hope either. Understand that she may also be burned out in things and/or just decided she isn’t interested. If your take on things is objective and honest I sort of doubt it. Likely that she is just feeling the same thing as all of us. But I will warn you that I had a steady GF through the bulk of covid shutdown in the US. A year and a half. And last summer I got tired of some of her unrealistic and inflexible plans and ideas and initiated to…
/r/seduction15/02/22 08:10 PM
17

All this. And also slow your rolls on the at work thing (waitresses, baristas and such). It’s not ok and they can lose their jobs. Let them approach you or give you an obvious show of intention before you even think about it and then be sure to take it off the premises.
/r/seduction15/02/22 07:50 PM
2

So there you are. Simply be respectful and give her space. You’d be surprised once you have bonded that they will almost always come back to you.
/r/seduction15/02/22 07:45 PM
3

Let her ride. She has another interest whether or not it’s something or somebody. If she is still interested she will come around. It’s kinda like my FWB who has feelings and wanted to “explore” a relationship then ski season started (she’s a ski nut) and she got very pull back (remember SHE wanted to look into getting serious). But then we eventually talked after I put her into the friend (WB) zone and she clarified that she literally is on the slopes every weekend (we live within 90 minutes dr…
/r/seduction15/02/22 05:06 PM
1

I did this with a live together GF when we were at a festival. She was horny, I was horny and she liked privacy. So we went in a fucked until we were satisfied and could go back to the show without paying each other constantly.
/r/seduction15/02/22 02:34 PM
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I always automatically assume anyone talking about “beta” behavior is just another shitty incel. Sorry but offering a reschedule because someone has a life and shit happens is truly polite and decent behavior and nothing at all what you describe.
/r/seduction15/02/22 02:33 PM
1

Yes I get all that. But for me this is simply natural interaction. I don’t break it down or think about it. But I am also an excellent extemporaneous speaker in all facets of public interaction or speaking. So I don’t have to have a template or blueprint for this. I simply follow the natural ebb and flow and gauge responses and such in a level that isn’t really conscious. An example is a recent interaction with my FWB. We have a close but constantly variating interaction like this. So we were te…
/r/seduction15/02/22 06:04 AM
2

Yeah well for one thing I’m not in a place right now I’d exclusivity and may never be again. And that’s the thing. Too many guys I see here have fallen off the wagon and bought into the feminine idea of finding “the one” for you. That’s a fallacy. You should NEVER go around with that attitude. You should go out with the idea that you can have whatever you want and be feeling around to what is best and feels right by getting together with many women and seeing what is best for you. Even if you ar…
/r/seduction15/02/22 03:26 AM
2

Now this is what I am talking about! I didn’t agree with a lot of your other post because I don’t do that PUA coach BS with all the planned and studied push/pull stuff. I go by my feel with that stuff it a formula. But what you say here is perfect and gold. You never sweat what SHE is doing. My primary FWB is a ski nut. Right now I see her sometimes each week and sometimes not for a month or more. But I never worry. She’s totally into me both as a friend and with feelings. She just fucking ADHD …
/r/seduction15/02/22 03:21 AM
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Lmfao. I’m guessing you roll through about five hundred women for one date with that crap attitude.
/r/seduction15/02/22 03:11 AM
2

Exactly. Idk what the bell is with this idea in the OP that “they found a better date than you” shit. What a moronic and pathetically paranoid statement. People have lives. I have had things come up that cancelled a date or outing more times than I can remember. And fortunately I wasn’t treated by that person as if I was “choosing someone else”. Talk about the opposite of self confidence and a seriously misogynistic and incel attitude. Great example. I had a date two thursdays ago with a woman I…
/r/seduction15/02/22 03:10 AM
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Ok you basically screw yourself here with all your conditions and restrictions. So don’t bother. I mean seriously. Idgaf about my friends if I am lined up to score. Quiet areas are overrated unless they are also secluded and private so you can fuck. Fuck people I’m usually high and at least kind of drunk at a festival or major concert so I could give a flying fuck less about other people around me. Talk about whatever the fuck it doesn’t really matter. Start by offering a hit of your vape or wha…
/r/seduction15/02/22 02:58 AM
1

I wished three women a happy V day just a few minutes ago. The first is my longer time FWB with some mutual feelings and we slept/sleep together. Safe zone. The second is my next newest FWB who is a crazy ass sex machine/kinkster chick. We fuck each other stupid every week or two for the whole weekend. Safe zone. The third is my newest FWB who I spent the night with for the first time last week and had sex multiple times including anal. She also I am sure would like “more”. Totally safe zone. Ev…
/r/seduction15/02/22 01:08 AM
2

You gotta just roll with things these days. Women are more flighty than ever and I have come to where I just work around whichever one is available when I want to do something or get together and fuck.
/r/seduction15/02/22 01:04 AM
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Nah that’s not accurate for adults in the real working world. I have multiple women for the fact that one is always doing shit and I see her once every one to six weeks depending on what she is doing (work plus right now ski season), one has her kids during the week and is only free in weekends but also has a life besides me and the others have more weekday availability even though there is work because they do shit with their friends/kids or own hobbies on some of the weekends. See this is the …
/r/seduction15/02/22 12:42 AM
4

We have a winner!
/r/seduction15/02/22 12:37 AM
2

Dude she is still living in your head space. You should not even be talking to her. And this should be in r/RelationshipAdvice.
/r/seduction14/02/22 05:48 PM
3

Because we had hung out together two previous times at a club for live bands. This was out first actual date where I took her out to dinner and drinks and such.
/r/seduction14/02/22 03:23 AM
3

This here. The new girl I met at the bar last night was literally making her friend (her DD ride) wait while she texted me to come back after I had left the bar and see her again before they went home. Then she continued to do so for an hour and a half including a lot of sexual stuff and again first thing this morning and this afternoon! When they want to get with you, you will absolutely know the difference.
/r/seduction13/02/22 11:02 PM
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I’d not waste your time. It’s pretty obvious she was just humoring you so that you wouldn’t talk shit about her to mutual from HS. I don’t ever bother pushing stuff like that. People have shit going on or they are just busy and over booked themselves. As an example (not a chick but that is irrelevant). I have three FWB’s right now and adding a fourth (in process). Next weekend, #1 (longest and closest with some feelings - mutual) wanted me to go camping. So I will be out of town. #2 had original…
/r/seduction13/02/22 10:57 PM
1

Honestly this is the first Valentines in well over a decade that I do not have a single “serious” person that I am obligated to take out and I’m LOVING IT! I have now three FWB’s with a likely fourth I am adding from last night’s adventures. And the beauty is that none have an expectation (or desire in the case of two of them) to be taken out for VD. And that’s good because I ain’t planning on wasting the money on jacked up restaurant prices, too busy places and overpriced flowers and shit. I’m …
/r/seduction13/02/22 10:49 PM
6

Exactly.
/r/seduction13/02/22 08:36 PM
22

Or reciprocate and out your hand(s) on her things and slowly massage or lightly stroke them if you need some sort of final validation
/r/seduction13/02/22 07:10 PM
81

Uhhh…YES! The woman I took in our first actual “date” this past Thursday night did this just after we sat down with our drinks. I was in her bed and her less than an hour later.
/r/seduction13/02/22 07:09 PM
1

Sorry bud but given my experience over the past nine months of being single again I have to disagree. I have yet to meet a single one of them that is interested in “involvement”.
/r/seduction13/02/22 06:40 PM
0

Agree 100%. My hit rate (when I’m not too lazy to do this) is near 100% on the second pick up for at least some action (handy or blowie if they aren’t wanting ONS).
/r/seduction13/02/22 03:11 AM
1

I do this from time to time. Right now I had a great date on Thursday with a woman I met on NYE then again when out a month later. We had a lovely night out. Dinner. Drinks. Then back to hers where we fucked most of the night. Hung out with friends who were in town for the night last night and going out tonight to a live band where I will happily hook up if the opportunity presents itself. Good luck to you!
/r/seduction13/02/22 03:09 AM
3

Get a hooker and get past the mental blocks.
/r/seduction13/02/22 02:59 AM
1

Right?!?!
/r/seduction11/02/22 10:52 PM
2

Be straight up for sure with the one that is all right with it. Besides you may get lucky like me and find they are both Bisexual and them you can gradually introduce them to each other and really enjoy yourself.
/r/seduction11/02/22 10:33 PM
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Have fun until you pick one and decide to get serious. Or don’t do that, be very careful or very open with both, and keep having fun. I am up to three regular FWB’s now and also hit randos for ONS’s here and there. It’s great. I basically always have pussy when I want it. And somebody to go out with or just hang out with. Single life is good!
/r/seduction11/02/22 10:31 PM
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Wow a lot of self important idiots here. Please keep your shitty attitudes while I get to keep sleeping with all the hot single moms. Oh and then bitch how you can never find women 🤣🤣🤣!
/r/seduction11/02/22 09:10 PM
3

You have some archaic twisted ideas.
/r/seduction11/02/22 09:08 PM
2

Thank you. This is my experience 80% of the time today. The huge majority are a LONG way from wanting to settle down or find a baby daddy. That’s trash stuff not normal. Certainly not single moms who are in college.
/r/seduction11/02/22 09:07 PM
3

Bingo!
/r/seduction11/02/22 09:04 PM
3

Nah brah not any more these days. Polar opposite is my experience.
/r/seduction11/02/22 09:04 PM
2

Totally protection aware unless they are looking to have more or tie you down (far rarer in the single mom population than the regular single woman population). My current two one has an IUD and is selective about which guys she sleeps with and the other had her tubes tied. Both are complete cum sluts and love being blasted so it works best. My other girl who is child free by choice and paranoid about it is BC and plan B as needed if there is any doubt and has it on hand all the time.
/r/seduction11/02/22 09:03 PM
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Totally agree with this right here and the comment below you is 180 degrees dead wrong direction. I’ll add also a few things. Single moms who are good moms you must respect and accept that THE KIDS ALWAYS COME FIRST. Many have baby daddies that are anything from casual weekend dads to disinterested staff best to total deadbeats. And before you try to crap on any of that let me tell you that I am a single DAD for many years and I am a damn good one and know this is truth. So IF she has available …
/r/seduction11/02/22 09:00 PM
2

Whatever dude. My MARRIED AA friend scores st three times the rate I do and I’m no slouch. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and do something proactive to fix the issues.
/r/seduction11/02/22 12:44 AM
10

I’ve met the vast majority of OLD hookups off Bumble personally. Tinder is just a mess to get actual contact through because of the shear numbers.
/r/seduction11/02/22 12:42 AM
1

🙋🏻‍♂️ Absolutely I’d say 95% +.
/r/seduction11/02/22 12:40 AM
2

This is basically how I play it. Every few days I will sit while I am bored and go through a ton of swipes and just throw it out there to see if any react or match. I find I usually have a number come up but often have to toss most because they are nasty or fat (sorry but it’s facts I’m fit and good looking and desirable in a social and economic sense so I am picky). I will occasionally drop to an 8/8.5 but that is usually only when out and it’s pretty much at least a solid ONS guarantee. Normal…
/r/seduction11/02/22 12:38 AM
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I keep shouting this from the rooftops here and other subs. OLD is a fixed game for the most part and based on making money off the large number of desperate and slightly above average on down guys (that other 8/9). It’s also a very female set up when it comes to even regular dating. They get to browse and choose and be fawned over by literally hundreds of men and pick the absolute best looking and best prospects and then you still have to figure out how to pass personal vetting without being ab…
/r/seduction11/02/22 12:34 AM
3

I have met, dated and slept with more women off of Bumble than any other online source. My current newer FWB I met off Bumble a couple days before Xmas eve and she spent that night with me. Tinder is extremely hot or miss and mostly miss. It’s younger oriented for one thing, and it is also so full of bots and run by algorithms that it’s often impossible to get any response. I sometime get a “match” literally months after I have swiped because women get so inundated and the way it runs the backlo…
/r/seduction11/02/22 12:29 AM
1

Exactly why I as a young looking 51 year old guy get tail constantly while watching and laughing at fools that simp along like this.
/r/seduction10/02/22 02:22 AM
2

“Yeah I’ll be out at XXXXXXX spot on Saturday night. See you if you come out”. That’s it. You don’t waste a single moment more after the first blow off.
/r/seduction10/02/22 02:21 AM
1

Why are you wasting a moment more out of your life on this waste of time and space? You are chasing crazy and beating a dead horse.
/r/seduction10/02/22 02:18 AM
1

Don’t ding ding!
/r/seduction09/02/22 11:04 PM
3

You might try dropping your standards for a bit for some casual fun and getting a feel for what it takes to actually land them. Then ease your way up the scale.
/r/seduction09/02/22 05:32 AM
3

I think it’s just dependent on whether they ever felt that they weren’t lesbian. Or if they are really inherently Bi.
/r/seduction08/02/22 07:58 AM
8

It was very slow going the first time because she had not been with a man for fifteen years since High school and that was once only. But she was very into it and very eager to get at it again so by the second time she was completely relaxed and pretty wild.
/r/seduction08/02/22 07:53 AM
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Yes I have in exactly the same circumstance (I had just separated and was getting divorced and she had broken up with her long term partner). It was one of the better periods of sex of my entire life.
/r/seduction08/02/22 05:51 AM
1

This is the way
/r/seduction07/02/22 08:09 PM
2

You’re right. She could have handle it better if you had stepped up previously and told them to shut their big fucking mouths and mind their own business. No woman wants to be slut shamed and that’s what was coming next. She was forced into a bad way of defending herself that left you looking a little bad. And instead of backing her up and keeping your option open you chose instead to dump and be butthurt. Man yo and control your friends and their mouths. Or find new friends who keep their opini…
/r/seduction07/02/22 07:58 PM
2

BINGO!!! This right here! This whole ducking thread sounds like a pack of angry high school virgins! Who fucking wants all their pack of friends discussing their sex life - male or female? Grow the fuck up! Adults don’t sit in gossip circle and talk about which friends are boinking each other. They mind their own business.
/r/seduction07/02/22 07:56 PM
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It’s crazy to me how many young uncles there are in this sub now. It’s little wonder that none of you are able to get women let alone get laid. That attitude guarantees it.
/r/seduction07/02/22 07:51 PM
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Child.
/r/seduction07/02/22 07:49 PM
2

Dude let it go. My FWB is a very private girl. When people in our social group started hugging us about sleeping together we both together and independently firmly told them we are just good friends because ITS NONE OF THEIR FUCKING BUSINESS!!! The group of friends and the dude above talking about you “simping” for her are a bunch of jr high level immature morons. The girl pretty obviously doesn’t care for them to know her - and your - business and shut it down in a very smart way that will take…
/r/seduction07/02/22 07:49 PM
1

Hinge is not even present in my area so I don’t have any experience with it. At least to the best of my knowledge I have not heard it mentioned by anyone. Primarily Bumble, Tinder and POF as far as the more “hookup” type dating apps are the ones here and they tend to be very Wednesday through Saturday and evening oriented. I personally have not ever even made an effort to go that route. Now I certainly have gone straight to sex from day game in other circumstances. But I find that “coffee dates”…
/r/seduction07/02/22 07:24 PM
2

Honestly it’s really variable and depends a lot on flow of the night and the individual. I have had times where I have really had to work the escalation from early in the night until the very end and still been unsure literally up to the moment of clothes coming off or at least being invited/taken to her or my place or room (if I’m on vacation and have a hotel). Then there are times where I will completely have nothing to do with that person all night, we meet or re meet just a little before clo…
/r/seduction07/02/22 06:56 PM
1

No I offered a bunch of suggestions down the thread of ways to get out and meet women.
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:15 PM
1

Yeah this is my ex. Tall blond gorgeous and fit. She would literally wear clothes that were baggy to cover up her body. Air pods in always and no eye contact. And guys would still hit on her and she’d get PISSED. Any who didn’t leave immediately she would go complain to the management and have them kicked out. Be aware most women don’t want this at the gym.
/r/seduction07/02/22 06:40 AM
1

Yeah I was going to comment on this. Branch out and find some interests. Hit the pub. Run or hike. Go to festivals or just live music.
/r/seduction07/02/22 06:38 AM
1

Here’s how you do it. DON’T DO IT! If they approach you, run game. Otherwise - especially at a “posh” or high end gym? Bad plan any way you look at it.
/r/seduction07/02/22 06:35 AM
1

You have a good point there. My FWB took me out on a “real date” last night to a big stand up comedy show at a local classic theater and we had drinks before and after. A number of times she reached out and took my hand or I hers. But we have been sexually intimate for a while now and have genuine affection for one another as well. I also had my hand on the small of her back while we were in the bar and arm around her at various times. It’s definitely a more intimacy thing. But I will use it dep…
/r/seduction07/02/22 06:33 AM
3

I will do this sort of thing on a first date if I feel that I need to subtly escalate and create a physical contact to do so. I would never do whatever the hell that goofy thing you described is. That shit sounds like you’re fifteen and going to homecoming dance with her. Like was stated above. I am generally fucking a woman from pickup or first date. Second at the latest or I don’t waste any more time or money. I will not allow a woman to control the narrative by playing “three date rule” on me…
/r/seduction07/02/22 06:27 AM
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So here is my take and what I have learned. But understand it is my unique viewpoint. I am 51. I have been in and out of the swing lifestyle for over thirty years. During that time I have taken breaks being married (although one wife and I swung together) and in several varying lengths LTR’s. But I always come back to the lifestyle one way or another when I am single. I learned a king time ago that I could love people - love women - and not have to be involved with them in a monogamous possessiv…
/r/seduction07/02/22 06:17 AM
1

Yeah I see we are basically in agreement here about most of what we have out of the OP’s statements. Addressing a couple things you said. Agreed that I have no clue as to how any adult woman would EVER tolerate that kind of infantilization. It’s incredibly insulting and while I have had some friends who explain it as better to just let it go, they are usually non confrontational types. Personally it would be instant done. I am really not keen on anyone interfering with my life and choices. If I …
/r/seduction07/02/22 04:40 AM
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I think you are being generous with the “babying her” take. I have dealt with this recently and I am here to say it sounds like straight cattiness and jealousy. Especially since she’s an outsider to the group and therefore a threat. If OP runs low profile in the same manner I did being averse to heavy involvement right at this time, then they likely feel that they have his attention and are happy with that even if he doesn’t get with any of them. However when outside girl comes in and he shows a…
/r/seduction07/02/22 03:39 AM
1

And it’s none if their business. It’s hers and his. They are adults.
/r/seduction07/02/22 03:00 AM
2

Your boys wouldn’t do it to you. They’d hype you up as the greatest thing since sliced bread. And mean it and tell you they did to try to help you. I don’t agree with not having female friends. If I had to guess I say that 85%+ of the time the fact that I have a lot of female friends has brought me more tail than any other single factor because it gets me into social situations where I already get an “in” and don’t have to do it completely cold. That said it can certainly go sideways and you hav…
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:58 AM
2

You’re probably getting downvotes for the language but you are spot on with the assessment.
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:55 AM
1

There a vast gap between girly gossip about a bad boy, and catty jealousy leading to “warnings” about a guy for no actual reason other than vitriolic spite. I’ve been there done that with this sort of thing. This is the second kind not the first.
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:53 AM
1

Yep. Sadly this is very true.
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:49 AM
1

Good take. Well stated.
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:47 AM
1

It’s more than that man. Women are ALWAYS in competition with one another. I have literally seen married best friends of women that I am with at an event, on a date or whatever pull this kind of shit. My organizer of my social group who is a good close friend has a need to have all the guys dawning on her. She’s petite And cute with big boobs and now that she s getting older in her late forties, she doesn’t get all the automatic validation attention from all the guys. So she has started being na…
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:46 AM
2

This right here. A huge difference and also a nasty difference if it’s being used in a catty jealous manner.
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:41 AM
1

Or at least be aware and alert for the cattiness to come out. It can turn on you in an instant. Unfortunately men’s loyalty and woman’s are very different. And even so men’s is far stronger in these sort of situations.
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:38 AM
2

Yes in this case it worked out for him. But it could also have harmed him not just that night but going forward. Group reps are often hard to change or repair once they are placed as a label.
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:36 AM
2

Yeah it can be a party dropper with the right women in the right circumstances. But it can really hurt you too because a lot of women don’t want a “slut” label attached to them. And it sounds like this crowd would drop that in a heartbeat.
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:35 AM
1

There’s a big jump from checking in on a friend - which I have done many times for my women friends - and talking shit because they are catty.
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:34 AM
3

Believe me it backfired with the one my friends did it with. Now every time I see her at events it’s like a moth to a flame. She s a “good Christian woman” but I know it’s just a matter of time and warmer spring weather.
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:33 AM
1

Wrong.
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:32 AM
2

Yeah and if it’s possible have the girl with you so she can reinforce it and say “yep, you did this”. Don’t let them twist it, back off or had light either. Hard answers and explanations or GTFO.
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:31 AM
2

Yeah this sounds completely like jealousy and nasties. I’ve been through it in my mixed friends group both recently and before. And I am the guy who deals with and runs out the creeps when and if they pop up. This is straight cattiness. I had this happen hardcore this past September when I met my FWB at a group party. There were a number of women 40+ there who were VERY interested. But she (32f) and I hit it off instantly and bonded. There was and still is a lot of catty jealousy involved whenev…
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:30 AM
1

This is the facts.
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:26 AM
6

Yeah that one gave me a chuckle too!
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:26 AM
1

DING! DING! DING! Having dealt with this (see my full post) I can absolutely all but guarantee this is exactly what happened.
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:23 AM
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Yeah all of that is really bullshit though. As a guy I will tell you that I would NEVER do that to another guy without expecting him to punch me in the face for interfering or never speak to me again. Women in the other hand - and to be clear I am NOT talking about a safety situation which I have been the safe person MANY times - have an inherent need to involve themselves in other womens business and impose their own personal moralities or jealousies or frustrations in their friends. Most likel…
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:22 AM
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No they didn’t. That was their way of being fucking assholes and trying to screw up his night. I am sure more than one is jealous as well. Comparison point. About three weeks ago I was out with my two women friends for a band. One of them had another friend coming and my friends are both married. She says her friend is single “just so I know” 😉. Friend shows up. We meet, talk and hit it off well. End up dancing all night. My friends head home in the Uber while this gal and I chill in the car wai…
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:16 AM
1

Dude huge kudos for handling that WAY beyond your years! Great job not only making her feel totally comfortable with you and good about being with you but also in keeping your cool and not losing your shit on that. I can tell you you sound a LOT like me just twenty or so years younger. I have a similar situation with a social group Rhys I am heavily involved in. I have dated and slept with a number of women from the group but I am always careful to keep things very low key and cool and friendly …
/r/seduction07/02/22 02:12 AM
8

Exactly why I have zero tolerance for that crap anymore. I’m done with people who cannot have the common courtesy you’d extend to a stranger in the street.
/r/seduction07/02/22 01:44 AM
9

Nah fuck that noise. I don’t want to be eating a single seconds more time with someone who felt they could casually waste mine like that. It’s on or it’s not. Come to my place and be casual because we aren’t going to be wearing clothes anyway.
/r/seduction07/02/22 01:43 AM
0

“What does hang out mean?” “Are you coming to mine or me to yours and do you have condoms and something to drink?” That’s about where I’d go with that.
/r/seduction07/02/22 01:41 AM
4

This 100%. The idea of breaking anyone down to get them to like or lock onto you is one of the most idiotic and ridiculous ones I have ever heard or seen pontificated. I have literally decades of public speaking education, training and experience as well as tons of the same with marketing and sales. Starting in a negative with an unknown person is a recipe for downfall then vast majority of the time because it is a touchy thing. You have just as good a chance at hitting in that childhood hang up…
/r/seduction06/02/22 06:08 PM
1

Lmao!
/r/seduction04/02/22 05:54 AM
0

Ok BOY
/r/seduction03/02/22 08:23 AM
3

Now you’re just making yourself look like the dummy you are. Grow up boy. And maybe you’ll stop mouthing off online because you feel safe here hiding behind a screen.
/r/seduction03/02/22 07:59 AM
1

Maybe so but my attitude hasn’t changed throughout my adult active sexual life. I started playing in the swing lifestyle at around 21-22 so I’ve always had that open minded attitude and it was before that. Honestly though I also hate American false moralistic that creates a double standard where men are encouraged to get out there and sew our wild oats but women are supposed to be good girls and keep their legs crossed. It’s BS and it’s archaic attitude based in women as property and possession.
/r/seduction03/02/22 07:57 AM
1

Nothing but truth. But liars cannot handle that.
/r/seduction03/02/22 03:12 AM
2

Yeah and you don’t have a valid point or argument. I’ve been clear. Your attempts at name calling and puerile gas lighting are transparent. You cannot state and defend a potion because I am correct in my take on your position. You are quite obviously a misogynistic narcissist that believes that women are property and should come to you “unspoiled”. Apparently you forget this is the internet where ALL your commentary is visible - such as your answer in another portion of the thread where you stat…
/r/seduction03/02/22 02:40 AM
3

Funny enough I GIVE advice on this sub. I don’t ask for it. Why would I? I am a mature man who doesn’t feel the need to be irrational jealous and asinine and presume to have a right to sole possession of a woman. I don’t have hangups or issues about sex or sexuality. I have no need to. I’ve grown far past it. You jumped in a took offense because I called out a lot of the world for their bullshit misogyny and possession style treatment of women. You cannot admit that but that’s where you jumped i…
/r/seduction03/02/22 02:17 AM
4

Yeah. I have standards but they don’t include misogynistic garbage like if she isn’t a virgin she’s worthless. It just stinks if inexperienced children who haven’t learned to quell irrational jealousy.
/r/seduction03/02/22 02:11 AM
10

Speak for yourself because that shitty misogynistic attitude based in archaic ownership ideals about women is just wrong.
/r/seduction03/02/22 02:05 AM
3

Yeah nice try at being arrogant but I’m too old to worry about attempting to sound educated and haughty insults. They don’t work. I’m 51 and we’ll grown past listening to a pack of simps that cannot actually get with ONE woman bitch about how many partners they may or may not have had prior. If your ego is that caught up in an archaic formulation of repression you really do need to remove yourself from Western culture because we don’t play like that here anymore.
/r/seduction03/02/22 01:51 AM
3

Yeah I’m just asking rhetorically. I don’t understand being hung up on how many guys a woman has slept with. I don’t care and I don’t care to know. Not my business or concern.
/r/seduction03/02/22 01:01 AM
2

Yeah I hear you. But I want to also help you miss the pain here. And there’s all kinds of potential pain. I’d say if you are fun casual with her and have the opportunity to tap it, go for it. But don’t fall in love because this one has pricey right there in front of you.
/r/seduction03/02/22 12:58 AM
1

Yeah. And of course one would go with the assumption that pretty much every “boyfriend” is as likely a bed partner. But I go to my own main point. Who cares?
/r/seduction03/02/22 12:57 AM
0

One liners from children do not carry any validity. Explain yourself or I assume your are just another misogynist incel with that kind of statement.
/r/seduction03/02/22 12:43 AM
2

Yeah move on man. You aren’t even in the realm. If you are an absolute specimen you MIGHT get to fuck her as a buddy. But you will still have to pay the fare to take her out expensive and still have zero guarantee. A chick like that gets snapped up by an older guy like me - professional, fairly well off so that I can support her, tall and good looking and in good shape. Have a home, roll a Benz have a boat and can afford to take her traveling - internationally. She’s a gold digger. I wouldn’t ac…
/r/seduction03/02/22 12:31 AM
1

Right?!?! If there is any sort of indication at all, that’s absolutely one. The one that used to crack me up after I’d heard it a few times when I was a LOT younger was “Oh my gif you’re only the SECOND guy I’ve ever been with!” This one was really rich when I’d picked the girl up at a bar and was getting it on within thirty minutes of leaving. Sure honey. Whatever makes you feel good about yourself.
/r/seduction03/02/22 12:23 AM
2

I’m taking about how they think of it in later self justification. And who cares anyway?
/r/seduction03/02/22 12:15 AM
2

Read my answer. He’s implying that I’m dumb and she is “fooling” me or something. He’s a young idiot. We are near best friends and confidants. We are well aware of each others sex habits and adventures. We share them often and are actively looking for a girl to share. Lol
/r/seduction03/02/22 12:14 AM
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Lmao! Yeah bud, I am well aware that she fucks other guys. Surprise! I fuck other girls too! We’re friends and fuck buddies, not in a damn relationship. I love her to death and we are right but she is a bit crazy and is not any more interested than me in being tied down. We are also adults - I’m 51 and she is 33. We are all grown up and good with where we are at. Lol shit she’s on a ski trip in Canada right now and I have three different women lined up the next three nights the second being my O…
/r/seduction03/02/22 12:12 AM
11

Bingo! You learn how from doing. I recently started out with a new fuck Buddy. She literally texted me the next day thanking me for the “Epic and incredible night of sex” after our first encounter. She didn’t care and still doesn’t how many people I’ve been with. She a divorcee and just insanely happy that I get her off like a champ! And on the flip she is quite obviously very experienced herself. When a girl gives up anal on the first date she is FAR from a fainting virgin. But for me it’s like…
/r/seduction02/02/22 11:05 PM
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No actually just an answer. That’s not a sign at all. There are also any that seem like they are all ready to go then at the end of the night it’s just “good night”. They simply like the attention validation.
/r/seduction02/02/22 10:56 PM
0

Exactly. A dating coach will not fix that. Working out and if needed losing weight or timing your body type to it’s premium. Put money aside go to a better store where they assist you with finding a look that works for you. Before that go to a hair salon - not a damn barber - and lay up to have them help you find a style that enhances your good features and covers the flaws. If it’s extreme, consider saving and seeing a plastic surgeon and or a dermatologist to deal with skin issues or physical …
/r/seduction02/02/22 10:51 PM
1

I don’t believe in “professional” dating coaches. Everything they tell you is searchable in this sub. A lot of it is common sense and knowledge. Most of it has to do with building your own image, self esteem and self confidence. The rest is bullshit and nothing I would ever do in my life because it’s garbage and generally far too Aggressive with most women. But free is free so hey give it a shot. Come back when it fails and we will help you to do it right here. There’s a lot of good advice and k…
/r/seduction02/02/22 10:37 PM
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You and I finally have something we entirely agree upon. About this post. Not everything. I don’t get the point of asking in the modern “equal” world. Who fucking cares? If you are that fucking hung up on how many guys she’s been with, GTFO of here and go back to your third world, misogynistic arranged marriage country and be a pedophilic going after some teen virgin you retards! Nobody has any more or less value as a person based in the number of people they have chosen to have either serious i…
/r/seduction02/02/22 10:33 PM
8

Yeah that’s more about something is fucked up about her ability to commit and it’s an entirely other sort of red flag there. But that while that certainly would contribute to her having slept with more guys, it still is irrelevant.
/r/seduction02/02/22 10:30 PM
1

And there is this. Until a certain pint it is personal and relative to your own life and circumstances. And then you have my perspective where the count is so astronomically high for a regular person that I just don’t consider most of what people state as “high” to even be in the realm of what truly high is. For example you could tell me you’ve been with a hundred guys and I’d shrug my shoulders and say “that’s nice”. It’s nothing to me and never something I judge someone by. Now if you told me …
/r/seduction02/02/22 10:29 PM
3

I can see this
/r/seduction02/02/22 10:23 PM
10

That’s hit and miss. I have plenty of women friends and sexual partners that doesn’t hold true with. It’s usually more of a a sign of having all brothers than anything else.
/r/seduction02/02/22 10:23 PM
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Nah I’ve hooked up plenty of times and been”that one guy” she let down and went for it with. I seem to have this happen a lot.
/r/seduction02/02/22 10:22 PM
34

And this is it for me. I don’t get jealous and I long ago lost interest in doing all the work.
/r/seduction02/02/22 10:21 PM
16

Yeah it’s really hard to tell with women because they are far better than men at sticking to an act or image. They learn from a young age how to create an image of themselves. They also learn how to fool themselves into thinking of it differently. If I’m DATING him or in a relationship with him it doesn’t count. If it’s just a one time “mistake because I was super drunk/lonely/needy etc” it doesn’t count. My FWB is a good example. You would think that she’s the easiest girl on earth the way she …
/r/seduction02/02/22 10:20 PM
1

Lol well for one thing I rarely go to “popular” clubs. I have never been into that scene anyway because it is 99% of the time a complete waste. Most women going there are doing so to show off for validation attention or to try to hook a rich dude. I’m not interested in paying to play and i am not their validatior. When I go out it is always to places where I have a near guarantee of at least being able to hook a woman for future dating and ideally get together that night to have the option to co…
/r/seduction01/02/22 04:54 PM
1

Social situations of any sort. I personally prefer life music events especially In small crowded venues where the dancing is tight and close. Women, for whatever reason, seem to always loosen up and relax more at live music. They also have the automatic thing of being turned on by the idea of the guys in stage and it’s very easy to play off that raw drive feeling. You don’t have to be in the band (although that would be the ultimate) but do t be afraid to get up close to the stage and be in the …
/r/seduction01/02/22 05:22 AM
0

Add to that I have literally been teamed out because I give advice patiently and completely and I’m a “top ten percent guy so it doesn’t even matter” I finally told one clown earlier today to enjoy his misery I tried.
/r/seduction01/02/22 04:59 AM
0

Agreed. This entirely.
/r/seduction01/02/22 04:53 AM
0

But that you know is entirely situational. I’ve gotten down and straight nasty while coated with camping grime from ten days in the backwoods. But it wasn’t some kind of approach it was with women I already was established with it were part of that venue and down with it. Coming gone and having your GF get turned on because you just pulled iron for two hours and she wants to feel like daddy’s little or Nanking some chick who is also at the gym is situational not common. Normal game is based with…
/r/seduction01/02/22 04:53 AM
1

And I’ve heard the other side of that conversation and it’s usually “OMG I can’t believe I got drunk enough to sleep with THAT!”
/r/seduction01/02/22 04:49 AM
1

I have come to find that there are a LOT of guys that just came here to look for some magic ticket to getting the 10/10 girl who wants to lick sweaty 350 pound dork ball sack and be his personal maid. It’s just ridiculous. You don’t have to be Adonis to score. But Christ on the cross make a damn effort at least and try listening to those of us who are offering tons of sage advice. And for gods sake if a woman comes and tells you directly and specifically what you need to do to get with women - T…
/r/seduction01/02/22 04:48 AM
3

Yeah it’s why I had backed off offering advice for a while. I was tired of hearing “ you’re just tall and good looking. Top ten percent” when I write paragraphs of how to make yourself be more attractive and successful just in life.
/r/seduction01/02/22 04:41 AM
2

Lot of angry guys here who want their shit handed to them on a magic plate.
/r/seduction01/02/22 04:39 AM
1

Actually this is a basic guideline.
/r/seduction01/02/22 04:36 AM
1

Ok I tried to help but you’d rather wallow in self pity and misery there is nothing I can say that will change your mind.
/r/seduction31/01/22 09:43 PM
1

Ok gotcha. That’s makes more sense. Sorry. Feel free to shoot me any questions or ask for tips.
/r/seduction31/01/22 09:23 PM
1

Maybe I just have a different appearance and also self perception. I am good looking and tall. More important I have a lot of self confidence, presence and social facility. Some of that is things you create by making your image what you want it to be. A perfect example is this past Saturday night. I often host for my Social forum at live music events. We had a bigger one going on in a local favorite venue. I knew I’d have at least forty people attending. So I went up the night before and I paid …
/r/seduction31/01/22 07:51 PM
1

I’m curious as to how you mean that. When I was younger I would often slum it and take what offered on any given night out just to get laid. I still would never drop below a 7 or a very well built 6 with beer goggles on and never any fatties. And I’m still talking ONS stuff. NEVER dating.
/r/seduction31/01/22 06:48 PM
1

True. But then I don’t bother with anything average. I only get with 9 and above with an occasional dip to the 8/8.5 range if the personality is especially good or I’m just wanting to get laid and it’s the best available in the moment. So I will always find myself with the exception to the rule for any age. Because I keep my standards high no matter what.
/r/seduction31/01/22 05:37 PM
1

The idea that women do not have to “hunt guys” but that guys have to chase women. One of the most important things that you can do (since this is seduction and I only hang out here to help and teach) is discard that idea from your mind. But thinking that she is the prize, you automatically put yourself into a lower tier/needy mindset and become the pursuer. But the true reality of the situation if you have close and intimate conversations with your women friends is that they for the most part ar…
/r/seduction31/01/22 04:32 PM
1

As you said to each their own. I certainly play with the younger ones when I have the opportunity. I am fortunate enough to look early thirties at most and can pull younger women. But it’s only sex because quite honestly there is no other commonality with them. While my current friend and actually my other one as well may seem exceptions, maybe it has to do with the quality level I target but I don’t find those things you say to be regular. Of course I am very picky and only get together with wo…
/r/seduction31/01/22 12:01 AM
1

Nah bruh. She seems perfectly cool when we were high in the car and dancing in the club. It was next day where I was like “whoa!”
/r/seduction30/01/22 10:43 PM
1

Nah I’m talking about INSIDE the club stuff. Things from over the years. The getting laid part hell yeah. I don’t waste time with nonsense if it’s not happening. That’s why I have always been successful in closing the deal. I only make an effort if there is going to be a reward.
/r/seduction30/01/22 10:27 PM
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