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| 7 | "Emotional Intelligence" and "Emotional Availability" are Pathologized Versions of Biological Advantages: Strength and Self-Reliance.I basically agree, although I don't see these concepts used in serious mental health discourse much. For the most part, they're used by women who complain about dating, and pop-psychologists who enable them. And they're not even used in a truly definable way. Women talk about "emotional intelligence"/"emotional availability" but they use it to mean (basically) "my emotional incontinence is emotional intelligence/availability, meanwhile, you can only show these things by emoting in ways that I fi… | /r/MensRights | 02/08/26 10:36 PM |
| 1 | Why Modern Women Can't Find What They Want | F. Roger DevlinSome kind of settling is inevitable I don't think it is. I think we can have more singlehood and make singlehood better for those in that situation. And we can demand more responsibility from women, so they stop relying on men for money. All of this can be done via standard MRA legal reforms (and before you say "these reforms are politically unviable" are they less unviable than reversing the sexual revolution or revoking women's rights?). The reality is that both sexes - men and women - conside… | /r/MensRights | 31/07/26 10:54 PM |
| 2 | Why Modern Women Can't Find What They Want | F. Roger DevlinWomen in today’s Conditons very easily create inflated expectations which then leads to maladaptive life choices in their life cycle histories around the phases of courtship, marriage or pregnancy and family life. I think both sexes often have impossible, idealized fantasies. Yes, the average neurotypical woman seems to want a genetic cream-of-the-crop man who will be "the bad boy that is good ONLY FOR HER." This makes little sense since such a man will have options (and due to the typical male … | /r/MensRights | 31/07/26 12:34 PM |
| 2 | Why Modern Women Can't Find What They Want | F. Roger DevlinBirth rates are already plummeting. Under that scenario they would fall even more. Technology makes it easier to replace people, and to be blunt, we'd rather have less low quality people than more. Keep in mind that unwanted kids statistically grow up to be much more likely to be violent criminals. If we have more contraceptive options for men, and things like LPS, and keep abortion legal (yes, I am pro-choice), we can reduce the number of unwanted children quite easily. Thus western society wil… | /r/MensRights | 31/07/26 09:53 AM |
| 2 | Why Modern Women Can't Find What They Want | F. Roger DevlinIf women are hypergamous on a relative basis (i.e. the top x% of males are the only ones that are exciting, and if the stock of males "improves" her standards will adjust accordingly), then back in the past with mandatory monogamy, they weren't getting what they wanted either. They were pressured into settling. The only way to avoid this conclusion is to pretend that "every taste of Chad cock makes the woman jaded and raises her standards." I find this very difficult to believe (the only potenti… | /r/MensRights | 31/07/26 09:12 AM |
| 3 | It is a myth that boys lag behind in brain developmentYou argued that Whole Word couldn't have been adopted to reduce a sex gap that favored boys. Your argument hinged on the proposition that the Whole Word method of reading started in the 20s and 30s, "long before girls were really being educated." I challenged this on three grounds: Whilst higher education didn't extensively open its doors to women until after the 1920s and 1930s, people generally learn to read in elementary school and women were extensively attending these schools all across Ame… | /r/MensRights | 31/07/26 06:37 AM |
| 2 | It is a myth that boys lag behind in brain developmentThe method of whole word reading may have began in the 20s and 30s. When did it become widely adopted in the US education system and when did it start to displace Phonics? Those are the key time points. Also, in the US at least, girls started going to public school (this is where most reading skills are taught... well before higher education was opened to women) around 1800 or so. | /r/MensRights | 31/07/26 05:50 AM |
| 3 | It is a myth that boys lag behind in brain developmentEvidence, please. Because Christina Sommers The War On Boys lays out quite a bit of evidence that Whole Word's adoption was driven by gender equity (i.e. "the boys are outperforming the girls, this is bad" and when the method produced worse results even for girls they kept the method because the gap between the sexes was smaller than under phonics and thus the method's results were "more equitable"). | /r/MensRights | 31/07/26 05:16 AM |
| 3 | It is a myth that boys lag behind in brain developmentOkay, good. Now let's look at reading. The reason for the disastrous shift away from Phonics and in favor of "Whole Word" method (which caused reading scores to substantially drop) was "equity." Under Phonics, IIRC both sexes did better, but boys did better than girls. Under "Whole Word," both sexes did worse but had similar scores. Only recently have US states began returning to Phonics. So far, results have been positive. So ask yourself - how is this not a clear case of pedagogy being deliber… | /r/MensRights | 31/07/26 05:08 AM |
| 1 | A bill to set up an Office of Men’s Health within the HHS was just introduced in the Senate. We asked the senator introducing it to explain it to us.You know political feminists will be itching get on the committee or administration of this office, so they can derail it. Yep. Just like what happened to Movember. | /r/MensRights | 31/07/26 04:47 AM |
| 4 | It is a myth that boys lag behind in brain developmentWhat would you define success in school as? Academic results on standardized test scores is the most objective metric we have. Of course, there's debate on how much school actually makes people smarter and how much school merely identifies pre-existing intelligence. It should be noted that this 'human-capital-centric' criterion is relatively novel. Historically, the biggest advocates of public education were motivated primarily by disciplinary concerns. They wanted obedient citizens habituated t… | /r/MensRights | 31/07/26 04:46 AM |
| 6 | It is a myth that boys lag behind in brain developmentI think socialization plays a huge part bc boys and girls are raised differently I agree, but pedagogy is part of that raising. Most children are not homeschooled and schools spend a long time in loco parentis. If you have a group of boys and a group of girls the same age the girls will often be more calm, quiet and appear more mature. Not always, but very often. One has to ask - WHY is "calm and quiet" equated to maturity? It sounds to me more like teachers are defining "what's more convenient … | /r/MensRights | 31/07/26 04:38 AM |
| 32 | It is a myth that boys lag behind in brain developmentIs biological essentialism okay only when it's applied to boys?! They're actually okay with biological essentialism when it flatters women and girls though. Feminism hasn't been consistently anti-essentialist since the Radical Second Wave (who were still misandrists nonetheless). During the late 80s and early 90s (coincidentally after many women had entered the work force and found out that "manning up" was actually hard and not a fast-track to fulfilment and liberation), a new kind of feminism … | /r/MensRights | 31/07/26 04:29 AM |
| 13 | It is a myth that boys lag behind in brain developmentIf boys don’t lag behind in brain development then why are they behind in school, social development among other things? Gynocentric/gynonormative pedagogy. And biased teachers who grade boys more harshly. As for "social development" it could be fairly argued there's a gynonormative set of standards at play (the way all-female groups socialize is considered the "norm/optimum" and anything deviating from it is considered wrong/bad/inferior/broken/malformed). | /r/MensRights | 31/07/26 04:17 AM |
| 1 | The Manosphere Isn’t Exactly “Pro-Men” As You Think It IsI agree. The imprecision of the concept "manosphere" is precisely why the concept should be viewed as a weapon - in particular a Package Deal that allows people to treat MRAs as "Andrew-Tate-Adjacent." | /r/MensRights | 31/07/26 03:26 AM |
| 19 | UK: Female sailor who carried out a string of sexual assaults against male and female shipmates is kicked out of the NavyI agree with you somewhat. It would have to be a white male sailor for that to happen, though. The BBC, and frankly the whole British establishment (civil service, academia etc) know they've badly screwed up. In order to deflect from some of their greatest failings (two-tier policing, importing violent crime, the grooming gang coverup etc), they're doubling down on the "White Males Are The Problem" narrative (a narrative that greatly contributed to said failings!). Hence Adolescence and Louis Th… | /r/MensRights | 31/07/26 01:52 AM |
| 3 | Plenty of issues disproportionately affecting men are caused by misogynyYou're equating gender roles (which I agree should be opposed) with misogyny (hatred of or prejudice against females as a sex). They aren't the same thing. I agree women are infantilized by society. However they also are attributed with an inherent value (basically "because womb"). Men are denied this and forced to prove their value by performing masculinity. Both sexes are objectified (in different ways - females are infantilized, males are instrumentalized) by the gender system. If this system… | /r/MensRights | 30/07/26 03:59 AM |
| 3 | Reject the slave label masculinityI'd agree with you entirely. There's toxic femininity, too. I may take issue with some parts of your moral analysis. For instance, I think video games are stigmatized NOT because they're associated with males, but because they're associated with nerdy/geeky/'spergy/"loser" males. That distinction matters. Also, I don't think it is fair to say feminism supports moral relativism. Even wokeness doesn't support moral relativism per se, it has a very rigid and prescriptive moral code within it. It is… | /r/MensRights | 29/07/26 10:46 PM |
| 2 | Reject the slave label masculinitynatural role of masculinity stemming from sexual biology differentiation If you're talking about "traits that are typical of males (or at least more common among males than females)" then sure. But like you immediately say after, the problem is... demanding all males rigidly adhere to it. That is absolutely the problem. And that's what a "gender role" is - a moral imperative imposed on the basis of sex. A sex typicality is a softer claim, and a mere empirical observation, not a normative stateme… | /r/MensRights | 29/07/26 10:21 PM |
| 1 | The Manosphere Isn’t Exactly “Pro-Men” As You Think It Iswhat’s the difference between the first and second claim? Degree. And level of fatalism. I don't doubt we're facing an uphill battle, in part due to biological phenomena. But I don't believe "its hopeless because biology." Challenging yes, hopeless no. | /r/MensRights | 29/07/26 06:40 AM |
| 1 | The Manosphere Isn’t Exactly “Pro-Men” As You Think It IsAgreed, but "manosphere" is really an intellectually dishonest concept. At the most charitable, we can discuss the "manosphere" as a collection of discourses and forums debating the issue of men's roles and place in contemporary society. But there are a wide set of different factions within it, and there's substantial disagreement between them. Perhaps the most common split was one made by Cassie Jaye in her film The Red Pill (which, despite the name, is about MRAs rather than red pillers). She … | /r/MensRights | 29/07/26 06:09 AM |
| 1 | The Manosphere Isn’t Exactly “Pro-Men” As You Think It IsYou'd have much more success if you made a softer claim. If you were to suggest that evolution resulted in the average male having characteristics that work against the formation of a movement specifically centered around advancing men's interests (for example, the well-documented outgroup bias males have towards females on average), you'd likely get much more support. But you made a much more absolutist statement which, taken literally, basically forecloses the possibility of there ever being a… | /r/MensRights | 29/07/26 05:58 AM |
| 3 | Reject the slave label masculinityAre you talking about the label? Or the concept? I agree with dismanting sex-based moral mandates ("gender roles"). The idea that someone, just because of their sex, MUST exhibit as much of trait Y as possible and if they don't they're evil or something, is demented. But not everyone uses "masculinity" in that manner. Part of the problem is that tons of discourse on the subject comes not from science, but from philosophy, and in particular the notion of "essentialism." Essentialism comes in two … | /r/MensRights | 29/07/26 05:46 AM |
| 1 | UK: Rape trial collapses after 'alleged victim uses AI to prepare her answers in court'Exactly. The "only 2% of rape allegations are false" stat refers to (IIRC) malicious false accusations that are proven to be so in court. It doesn't cover mistaken identity (and yes, a victim of a violent crime can misidentify someone as the perpetrator), it doesn't cover malicious false accusations that are made extrajudicially, and it doesn't cover malicious false accusations where the prosecutor declines to prosecute (usually to "not deter real victims from coming forward" blah blah). | /r/MensRights | 29/07/26 01:48 AM |
| 6 | UK: Rape trial collapses after 'alleged victim uses AI to prepare her answers in court'Exactly. The "only 2% of rape allegations are false" stat refers to (IIRC) malicious false accusations that are proven to be so in court. It doesn't cover mistaken identity (and yes, a victim of a violent crime can misidentify someone as the perpetrator), it doesn't cover malicious false accusations that are made extrajudicially, and it doesn't cover malicious false accusations where the prosecutor declines to prosecute (usually to "not deter real victims from coming forward" blah blah). | /r/MensRights | 29/07/26 01:48 AM |
| 13 | Long hair on men shunned because...The idea that males should have short hair and females long hair comes from Prussian culture IIRC. Its a clear case of an arbitrary social construct. Tons of societies accepted men wearing long hair. That said, I do agree that modern notions which ridicule male vanity etc. exist, and they likely have something to do with the "men must center women and provide for and protect them, they need to sacrifice themselves for females" mindset. | /r/MensRights | 09/07/26 06:04 AM |
| 30 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingExactly. The differences between the sexes is real, but subtle. The Danish term - "the little difference" - is accurate. Men are overt. Women are covert. There is a difference, but it isn't Mars-Venus. | /r/MensRights | 08/07/26 12:06 AM |
| 1 | EU bars newly arriving military-age ukrainian men from protection statusWe know thanks to constant supply of aid to Israel that the America first policy was actually just an excuse to avoid helping Ukraine so you cant use this as a defence. Incorrect. As Tucker Carlson - perhaps the most pro-America-First and pro-Russian of the "MAGA Influencers" (although he's now officially left the Republican Party) makes clear, he strongly believes "America First" means no aid for Israel either. Same is true for Marjorie Taylor Greene, and (to a lesser extent since he's an ideol… | /r/MensRights | 28/06/26 02:57 AM |
| 1 | EU bars newly arriving military-age ukrainian men from protection statusDo you feel MAGA also contributed to Russia's confidence Russia's first major act of aggression against Ukraine was the annexation of Crimea. That happened under Obama and Cameron's watch (and both countries shirked their treaty obligations under the Budapest Memorandum). In addition, the rest of Europe didn't rearm, remobilize or do anything other than Send A Strongly Worded Letter (and at the same time they were getting hooked on Russian natural gas). This all happened well before MAGA so you … | /r/MensRights | 28/06/26 02:25 AM |
| 32 | It's sad to me how many men I talk to feel like they have to walk on eggshellsI just meant society acts like they’re including men in that when they’re really not A very fair assessment. Gender role liberation? Only for women. Body positivity? Only for women. Sex positivity? Only for women. "Its okay to be vulnerable and share your feelings"? Only for women. "You deserve encouragement, empowerment and positive reinforcement"? Only for women. etc. | /r/MensRights | 28/06/26 02:18 AM |
| 3 | A large meta study found that men, not women, are discriminated against in hiringA deliberately adversarial team that's there to challenge the results so as to strengthen the rigor of the eventual findings. | /r/MensRights | 28/06/26 02:05 AM |
| 1 | EU bars newly arriving military-age ukrainian men from protection statusSorry man but you're just trying to sell utopia visions as a way to attack governments you feel are too left wing And the EU has systematically been trying to sell the idea that the European Social Model is a utopia, and the USA is some social-darwinist hellscape. The recent phenomenon of Europeans visiting the USA for the World Cup and finding that the USA is actually quite a nice place with both greater civil liberties and more widespread material abundance is, thankfully, challenging that pre… | /r/MensRights | 28/06/26 01:53 AM |
| 1 | EU bars newly arriving military-age ukrainian men from protection statusRussian gas is very cheap and actually increased the countries industrial output though. You're neglecting to factor in Opportunity Costs, as well as the strategic weakness caused by dependence. the transition to other alternative sources of gas was more expensive And who made the policy decisions which made these other sources of gas more expensive, hmmm? Continental Europe could easily have cheap and abundant energy, completely under their own control (thus avoiding dependence on Russia), if t… | /r/MensRights | 28/06/26 01:31 AM |
| 29 | Why do women want to go to predominantly male communities/hobby ?Some women are innately resentful of anything that distracts male attention from them (i.e. they see it as encouraging men to decenter women). They invade the hobby space in order to "re-center" women. A similar, but softer, version of this is that some women just authentically like male attention so they go to "where all the boys are." When the hobby becomes a big business, there's a financial incentive to become involved. When people can become famous and prominent by attaching themselves to a… | /r/MensRights | 28/06/26 01:26 AM |
| 1 | EU bars newly arriving military-age ukrainian men from protection statusThere always going to be mistakes made though... True, but trivially so. Of course all governing elites will make mistakes. No one has ever said otherwise. But the elites of Europe have systematically attempted to undermine democratic accountability... something that is meant to hold elites responsible for said mistakes. And again, this is Men's Rights. If the men of Ukraine are the ones bearing the costs of the mistakes of Europe's leadership class, that is a serious matter. I'm finding it rath… | /r/MensRights | 28/06/26 01:08 AM |
| 2 | EU bars newly arriving military-age ukrainian men from protection statusFrom some simple research it says shes not opposed to nuclear energy in the short term as a transition into renewables and has also opposed the use of Russian gas as an energy source... ...a stance she only publicly came to advocating well after the Energy Transition was in full effect... i.e. she already contributed to the damage, and whilst she tried to backpedal, the damage was already done. And again, her own personal beliefs aren't really the issue. The point is she advocated Europe making … | /r/MensRights | 28/06/26 12:53 AM |
| 3 | EU bars newly arriving military-age ukrainian men from protection statusYes Russia launched an invasion of Ukraine and is annexing whatever piece of land it manages to decimate and conquer because of Greta Thunberg... Thunberg and her environmentalist forebears/collaborators (such as Merkel) pushed for Germany's energy transition, which rendered Germany dependent on Russian natural gas and gave Putin incredible leverage over the Continent. At the same time, the rise in energy prices hastened de-industrialization, which reduces Europe's ability to have a sufficiently… | /r/MensRights | 27/06/26 10:10 PM |
| 19 | More gaslighting by the Femosphere. The Guardian criticizes boys reading habits, despite feminist dominance in publishing and media.Most men I know in real life don't read much. Which is a stark change from historical patterns. Question: why? Women clearly love reading more. And that has a downstream effect on their academic outperformance over men. (because reading is more abstract compared to playing video games) That's very debatable, especially when video games often involve a lot of text as part of them (both spoken and written). Reading is also not "more abstract" - video games are often complex systems that require sy… | /r/MensRights | 27/06/26 12:54 AM |
| 26 | EU bars newly arriving military-age ukrainian men from protection statusUkrainian men are having to fight an EU Proxy War that is only necessary because of annoying EU women like Merkel, von der Leyen and Greta Thunberg (all of whom are partially responsible for the situation the EU is currently in). Yet again, men clean up women's mess. To be ENTIRELY fair though, the EU should've gone after Russia in 2016, when Crimea was first annexed. The refusal to do so was a failure on the part of Obama and David Cameron. So those men are to blame as well. | /r/MensRights | 26/06/26 11:46 PM |
| 99 | More gaslighting by the Femosphere. The Guardian criticizes boys reading habits, despite feminist dominance in publishing and media.ask young men what they want Even if they did, they'd refuse to give that to young men. The publishing industry made itself 100% Chick Lit/Clit Lit entirely of its own volition, driven by a "diversity" ideal that worked out to "everything is written for leftist Karens, by authors who are members of our Pet Identities." They voluntarily shrank their own industry even though they were told multiple times this is precisely what would happen. Turns out that so-called "diversity" actually homogenized… | /r/MensRights | 26/06/26 11:42 PM |
| 2 | Montreal's shooter - "Incel" Manifesto...And yet the conclusion that will be drawn from this incident is "we don't shame, humiliate, bully and ostracize social-misfit males enough." | /r/MensRights | 24/06/26 10:25 PM |
| 0 | Men's rights are a very libertarian cause. 🦔 Left-wing and Right-wing misandry are both authoritarianI'm biased as a libertarian myself, but libertarians are without question the most consistent on equal treatment between the sexes and not publicly subsidizing the feminist-industrial complex. Also, most libertarian men are non-chads (they tend to be nerds). So they don't fit very well into traditional molds. | /r/MensRights | 23/06/26 10:26 PM |
| 1 | NYT Runs "Bearded Women Can Replace Dads" PropagandaI don't think you're directly addressing the article. I'm addressing the publication's long history of endorsing a theory of parenting pushed by an organization called "Them Before Us" (an advocacy research organization that's basically all about trying to prove same-sex parenting is bad and puts the feelings of adults above the interests of the child - they're also anti-surrogacy, which is a position that aligns with Radfems). They've done so in multiple articles before and cited this organizat… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/26 10:21 PM |
| 2 | NYT Runs "Bearded Women Can Replace Dads" PropagandaIndeed. But the data set is still quite small and unfortunately the topic is politically sensitive, which means it is hard to do large-scale quantitative research at this current point. I expect this to change over time, but right now, going by the research I've read, the only robust conclusion backed by large data sets that isn't the subject of big controversy is "two parents are better than one." Over time, we'll get more data, so we can properly compare single dads to single moms, single dads… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/26 12:18 PM |
| -5 | NYT Runs "Bearded Women Can Replace Dads" PropagandaReplace "summarize" with "restate" or "list" if you like. Yet you still haven't even attempted to interrogate or challenge a single one of my claims. | /r/MensRights | 23/06/26 11:34 AM |
| 9 | NYT Runs "Bearded Women Can Replace Dads" PropagandaThat's not implausible. Could two dads, with either a surrogate mother or a (theoretical) artificial womb, theoretically produce comparable parental outcomes to an opposite-sex couple that adopts (or uses surrogacy or an artificial womb)? That's a completely fair question to ask. It cannot be rejected out of hand. In addition, if it is shown that this is possible, it would be a boon to men's rights. For one, it would disprove the idea that men are inferior parents or somehow incompetent around c… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/26 10:28 AM |
| -7 | NYT Runs "Bearded Women Can Replace Dads" PropagandaMy point should be obvious, and if you have a serious critique for any of my points you should make it rather than say "bending over backwards." But to summarize my core four claims: The Federalist is pushing a tradcon line that implicitly sets up parental alienation and privileges mothers by having the father as the "bad cop" parent (this also enables a specific kind of abusive mother - the one that abuses her children using the father to commit proxy violence). The Federalist's tradcon line th… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/26 10:22 AM |
| -9 | NYT Runs "Bearded Women Can Replace Dads" PropagandaThis is just tradcon gender essentialism masquerading as men's rights. Trying to remove males from parenting IS a bad thing. On that, they're right. The idea that males or male-typical traits are useless is pernicious. But the idea that "all children need a mother (implied: a nurturant caregiver who is biologically female, lacks gender dysphoria and is the 'good cop') and father (implied: a careerist breadwinner who is biologically male, lacks gender dysphoria and does the shouting and punishing… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/26 08:27 AM |
| 15 | Hii I'm a a lifelong Feminist looking to gain a greater understanding of the concerns men have and how we can work together. I was thinking of starting a groupchat so I can hear your experiences?Imogen, You're going to receive a lot of skepticism. I've been on the receiving end of mistreatment by feminists too, including cyberstalking, so you're going to have to do something to earn trust. That said, your-kind-of-feminism doesn't offend me at all. It doesn't have significant institutional power in any part of the Western world I'm familiar with, though. I'll keep my list of concerns brief. ALL of men's problems in today's world really can be boiled down to one thing: Women have liberati… | /r/MensRights | 22/06/26 09:42 AM |
| 4 | Men should boycott BBCMost "transmisogyny" is really misandry (based on sex, not gender). British TERFs see transmen as victims of sexist men, and transwomen as the ultimate example of sexist men. Whatever extremes exist on the "SJW" side of the debate (and there are many), we shouldn't fall into the trap of thinking that TERFs are ever going to be on our side. | /r/MensRights | 22/06/26 12:26 AM |
| 19 | Horrifying woman-on-man rape in Melbourne: Twisted Tinder date says 'no one will believe you' after attack - as victim's mother reveals brutal aftermathAnd yet Victoria is the state that has the "Ministry for Male Behavior Change." It seems that it is females who need to change and stop misbehaving. But tell that to Victoria's feminist government. | /r/MensRights | 13/06/26 03:53 AM |
| 5 | The left fueled the male crisis. Now it's shocked.Do you mean outgroup bias towards women, like they favor them? Yes, exactly. | /r/MensRights | 13/06/26 12:00 AM |
| 5 | The left fueled the male crisis. Now it's shocked.There's extensive literature on the so-called "Political Business Cycle" and there's little evidence that unemployment is correlated with partisan choice. Again, tariffs are something that the left was most fond of across the entire world. Trump is an anomaly - a rightist protectionist (although his tariffs seem to follow a weird geopolitical logic rather than classic protectionism). I don't like those tariffs, but he hardly invented tariffs and the history of tariffs and trade protectionism is … | /r/MensRights | 12/06/26 11:59 PM |
| 7 | The left fueled the male crisis. Now it's shocked.Data please. And the left has enacted many tariffs before. History did not start with the Trump Administration. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/26 04:39 PM |
| 3 | The left fueled the male crisis. Now it's shocked.Tell that to the dictionary. When I talk about "dictionary definition X" the people who write the dictionary control the definition. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/26 09:07 AM |
| 20 | The left fueled the male crisis. Now it's shocked.At least the “left” does better on the economy so I have more income to deal with any crisis. That's extremely contestable, to say the least. European economies are more left-leaning than the USA, but they have lower social mobility and higher costs of living, combined with higher taxes even on the poor (most European welfare states are funded by regressive consumption taxes - i.e. the poor are often funding their own social services). Once you adjust for this, "left-leaning" economies don't loo… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/26 07:08 AM |
| 167 | The left fueled the male crisis. Now it's shocked.Their definition of masculinity was healthy, too ‒ sacrifice, strength, responsibility, leadership. Note that this is said right after the following: young men are delaying traditional milestones ‒ marriage, children, full-time work, college. So, men are realizing masculinity requires sacrifice and responsibility... and delaying traditional milestones (i.e. choosing not to live up to traditional responsibility) at the same time. This suggests that more and more men are concluding that living up … | /r/MensRights | 12/06/26 07:01 AM |
| 5 | The left fueled the male crisis. Now it's shocked.Agreed, but I'll note one thing: Normal men are also prone to tribalism, just as much (it just isn't based on sex, they organize around other things). And an outgroup bias towards women, which normal men generally have, isn't fair either. Extreme fairness, impartiality and non-tribalism is mostly found among the "nerdier" type of man. Meanwhile, ruthless machiavellianism is very much found within the "sociopath" kind of man. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/26 06:57 AM |
| 16 | Duke feminist studies department offers course linking disability to race, gender and sexualityDuke clearly learned nothing from the Lacrosse incident. I wonder... how many of those Identity Studies degrees are purely about prestige and signaling within a class hierarchy? As in "yes, I can afford to get a purely useless degree that poisons my own mind and the beliefs of society as a whole, and still get a cushy professional job, this proves how I'm from such a well-off background!" | /r/MensRights | 12/06/26 06:17 AM |
| 24 | The left fueled the male crisis. Now it's shocked.She's a feminist in the "dictionary definition" sense (i.e. believes both males and females are equally human and deserve equal treatment under law). She's feminist in the same way most people on this subreddit are feminist. I don't know why most women are moving Left. Its a mixture of machiavellian self-interest (especially among professional-managerial-white-collar women), ingroup bias, fear that their abortion rights are under threat (and whilst in some places in the US this happens to be tru… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/26 06:14 AM |
| 14 | The left fueled the male crisis. Now it's shocked.Not on a consistent basis. But at least the classically liberal (or libertarian) wing of the right believes in strict equality under the law between the sexes, which eliminates (or at least substantially mitigates) several critical sources of female privilege, and due to being methodologically individualistic is immunized against feminism. Meanwhile, there's really no historical leftist ideology that hasn't ended up subverted by feminism. Even tankie-grade Stalinism and high-minded classical Mar… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/26 06:08 AM |
| 3 | No, We're not blaming our issues on all womenI don't even blame feminism per se. I blame the traditional gender roles that feminism actually preserves, despite claiming to be against. My position is not that feminism is the problem, but that feminism falsely claims to fix the problem when it actually has further entrenched the problem. Feminism is an epiphenomenon of the problem. | /r/MensRights | 11/06/26 07:59 AM |
| 2 | What's the difference between a left-wing male advocate (or simply male advocate) and an MRA?Cultural baggage/cultural branding/positioning is the primary issue. That, plus some MRAs are tradcons. Also, there are SOME LWMAs who believe we can "socially reconstruct" women/femininity (along the same lines feminists believe we can do this with males/masculinity). I don't fit neatly into either group because I hate tradcons and tradcon-ism, whilst at the same time being on the libertarian right. I do believe there are many examples of gender norms that are clear arbitrary social constructs,… | /r/MensRights | 10/06/26 01:00 AM |
| 25 | Body+Soul: Attempting To Shame Foreskin-Restoration By Linking It To "The Manosphere"My commentary on this is incoming... EDIT: This is a disgusting piece of work by two female journalists who are shaming men attempting to heal from irreversible nonconsensual genital mutilation. Apparently, opposition to the butchery of baby boy's genitals, and attempting to restore this, is a sexist plot from the "manosphere." "men are bonding over their fascination with foreskins" Ahhh yes, the Code Pink shaming tactic. Trying to make it "sound gay." The irony is that a lot of pro-circumcision… | /r/MensRights | 09/06/26 03:06 AM |
| 6 | It’s Nice Seeing People Call Out Body Shaming of MenThank you. | /r/MensRights | 07/06/26 09:27 AM |
| 30 | It’s Nice Seeing People Call Out Body Shaming of Menthe pheminazis (who are largely closet rainbow ppl) I have to disagree with you here. The reality is actually the opposite. In my experience, MOST feminists are of the following groups: Males who are white-knights desperate for women's approval and attention. Some of these might claim a bisexual or nonbinary identity as a political thing, but they are exclusively-or-mostly heterosexual and don't actually suffer Gender Dysphoria. Straight women whose feminism is highly motivated by a desire to ma… | /r/MensRights | 07/06/26 04:28 AM |
| 0 | Ukrainian men should be turned back from EU to fight, says Swedish minister Johan ForssellI'd disagree with your characterization of a Swedish minister as "right-wing" - only a tankie would be able to make such a description. A more accurate description is "establishment Social-Democrat." I guess you could say that is "small-c-conservative" by Swedish standards, sure, but its pretty milquetoast, and economically centrist (by the standards of the economics profession, its actually the leftest you can get whilst still maintaining respectability). Indeed, that is what is truly shocking … | /r/MensRights | 06/06/26 11:38 PM |
| 12 | Women have extreme double standards for “breaking gender norms”A lot (not all) women see femininity as a special indulgence just for them, so they see men who enjoy feminine indulgences as a potential threat. On some level they know the gender system gives them many benefits, often subsidized by men. So they want to keep the gravy train going, shame men for breaking the rules, and demand the "having their cake and eating it too" version of equality that runs the world today. | /r/MensRights | 06/06/26 09:59 AM |
| 3 | How do you respond to the “Most world leaders are men!” Argument?Most world leaders and people in positions of power also have high levels of responsibility and stress. Leadership is often a burden, not a benefit. This is why many women choose against living a life of exclusive stringent careerism. Even if most leaders are male, most males aren't leaders. Men who are outliers aren't a representative sample of men. Also, "leader" males don't identify with or relate to non-leader males. The average male gets no benefit from the higher-ups. Leader males aren't t… | /r/MensRights | 06/06/26 05:46 AM |
| 14 | "Incel" is the new "gay" word to shame men.Agreed. "Incel" has become the new emasculating insult du jour. The irony - feminists claim to be against gender roles but all of their insults have a subtext that mocks men for insufficient manliness. There's also a Threat Narrative aspect. A man who expresses a relatively minor disagreement with extremist anti-male ideology gets dismissively/patronizingly mocked with "whatever, bro" (implication being he's just a dumb unenlightened dupe of the patriarchy). But the more the man becomes vocally … | /r/MensRights | 06/06/26 04:45 AM |
| 3 | Why is everybody insane?I know. And right now I am sad and need a hug. | /r/MensRights | 04/06/26 03:54 AM |
| -3 | Why is everybody insane?I know the answer is psychological gynocentrism, I just don't want to be blackpilled like that. Swallow those black pills. We literally live in a world where the police will let a man die if a psychopath-who-happens-to-be-a-minority accuses him of racism (see Henry Nowak, Say His Name and demand everyone take a knee because of him). I fail to see any path to improvement that doesn't involve the imposition of substantial costs on various other demographics. To be clear, I do not like this. But ou… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/26 02:45 AM |
| 1 | US Military's ban on Gender Dysphoric personnel "likely unconstitutional"Full ruling here: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cadc.41889/gov.uscourts.cadc.41889.2176040.0.pdf Additional commentary incoming... | /r/MensRights | 02/06/26 05:10 AM |
| 3 | As a teenager, I genuinely trust men more than I do womenI have Asperger’s too. I think it brings a tendency to think very analytically and to have a strong sense of justice as a result. I think we might be some of the most likely men to realize how fake women as a group are Agreed, although some might say that the 'sperg ideas of what constitutes being "fake" and what constitutes being "honest" are too extreme... but, well, that's normies and their lies and fakeness. And then they blame us for not getting it. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/26 12:31 PM |
| 9 | As a teenager, I genuinely trust men more than I do womenAnyone else feel this? Initially trusted women way more, but then realize how nasty many women can be? Yes, and completely. It took me a VERY long time to understand this as well, thanks to my Asperger's and society's deliberate obfuscatory social norms. Disclaimer: Going forward I will be generalizing. Please keep in mind that when I talk about "men" or "women" I'm speaking in terms of "MOST (members of that sex)," of course exceptions exist. Women will be extra kind to your face, they'll claim… | /r/MensRights | 30/04/26 11:50 AM |
| 13 | Boycott Pringles?Who is the Carpenter person? A particularly nasty toxically-feminine pop/R&B performer. Her songs, to put it politely, do not portray healthy or positive relations between the sexes. Should I care? You could not-unreasonably suggest she helps perpetuate/propagate cultural misandry. That said, I agree it is silly to think "if we get rid of the bad pop-culture-for-women, we get rid of the bad attitudes." The attitudes have to pre-exist in order for commercial pop culture to start catering to them,… | /r/MensRights | 29/04/26 01:23 AM |
| 11 | Women are far more homophobic than menDo these studies only look at overt homophobia or do they take into account covert homophobia too? Not to mention that 10% or women identify as LGBTQ compared to roughly 6% of men. That's because the costs of LGBTQ-identification for women are much lower. Female bisexuality is thought of as "hot," too. That stat just proves female privilege, not that females are less homophobic. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/26 12:19 AM |
| 7 | Women are far more homophobic than menThey'll come at ya accusing you of being homophobic and against LGBT+ rights, when ya say that you dislike the pairing/ya like a different pairing. Despite that they put every crazy homophobic stereotype in their mostly badly done fan works. This is why the slashfic fandom is what red-pilled me. Yes, some women actually do support equality for sexual minority males. In practice however, a lot of women who claim to be supportive of male sexual minorities just like having a few purse-dog toxically… | /r/MensRights | 29/04/26 12:17 AM |
| 2 | Believe me or not Feminists are the biggest reason behind heightismHeightism is real, and huge amounts of women perpetuate it, but you specifically said feminists and not most women. These are different sets of people. That said, I 100% agree that the majority of women, including the majority of women who claim to oppose gender roles, still insist on male partners that generally fulfill all the standards of traditional masculinity, including being tall. | /r/MensRights | 28/04/26 02:14 PM |
| 2 | News about more men choosing to become parents via surrogacy: 95% of replies are scathingly negative, with many saying it should be bannedI agree, except I absolutely know why I'm getting downvoted. Some people on this sub just want revenge, and adopt pro-life beliefs to rationalize it. I totally get the desire for revenge, but I'm not going to give into it for this particular issue. I don't believe that the human 'self' begins at conception, I think many people who claim to believe that just want to punish people who "fornicate," and abortion also sometimes saves men from nonconsensual fatherhood. So in my view, legal elective ab… | /r/MensRights | 24/04/26 12:48 PM |
| -3 | News about more men choosing to become parents via surrogacy: 95% of replies are scathingly negative, with many saying it should be bannedWhy do you support murdering babies? It isn't a baby for a good part of the pregnancy. Men don’t get to walk away from the financial obligations. Women don’t get to walk away from the results of their own actions. That's an argument for Legal Paternal Surrender (an argument I entirely agree with), not an argument against abortion. Do I resent feminists for demanding abortion-on-request-at-any-stage-for-any-reason-and-government-funded whilst being against LPS (except Karen DeCrow, who pioneered … | /r/MensRights | 24/04/26 03:48 AM |
| -3 | News about more men choosing to become parents via surrogacy: 95% of replies are scathingly negative, with many saying it should be bannedDisagree on the abortion question (at least for the vast majority of abortions, which happen in the early stages of the pregnancy), but I agree on everything else. | /r/MensRights | 24/04/26 03:30 AM |
| 1 | I can’t believe the Corbie Jean Walpole incident.The state of Victoria (part of Australia) has that. Fuck Victoria. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/26 05:50 PM |
| 1 | I can’t believe the Corbie Jean Walpole incident.It's certainly less abnormal than I'd like. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/26 05:01 PM |
| 5 | I can’t believe the Corbie Jean Walpole incident.It isn't. Source: I'm Australian. Women are a legally privileged class in this country. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/26 04:34 AM |
| 18 | Moral panic over teen boys "dating" AI girlfriends...I have come to the conclusion that women want men who are a little odd or different to learn how to conform, or suffer. This is why they make fun of lonely men. I have come to the same conclusion too (although really, all normies want this, but the sexes act differently in how they make it happen). It is social persecution of the socially atypical male. | /r/MensRights | 22/04/26 01:46 PM |
| 168 | Moral panic over teen boys "dating" AI girlfriends...So.... No mention of women doing the same thing, despite them doing the exact same thing. Assuming the men are doing this because of some evil desire to "control" their girlfriends. Again, what about the women dating AI boyfriends/husbands? This is particularly galling because recently, when ChatGPT updated their AI model to be less 'sycophantic' there was outcry from female users who claimed that ChatGPT was "killing their boyfriend." It is clearly not JUST men who like the idea of an opposite-… | /r/MensRights | 22/04/26 07:32 AM |
| 2 | As an egalitarian woman, I absolutely cannot support the manopshereIt is choosing the same product geared for women (because men and womens needs are different) and being upcharged for it. And is this a problem? First, if men and women do have different needs, it is fair to presume the cost of the female-geared product isn't the same as the cost of the male-geared product. And even if this is not true, you're forgetting the reality of economic subjectivism. The market price of a product is what other people will give you for it. Women are not passive victims of… | /r/MensRights | 22/04/26 02:12 AM |
| 2 | As an egalitarian woman, I absolutely cannot support the manopsherePresumably feminine hygiene products aren't subjected to "pink tax" analysis because there's no "equivalent product for males." But economically, let's say there's pink tampons and other-colored tampons. If women are willing to pay more for pink tampons, that makes the pink tax their fault. | /r/MensRights | 22/04/26 01:18 AM |
| 26 | As an egalitarian woman, I absolutely cannot support the manopsherefemale specific issues such as the pink tax exist , in part , due to to capitalism aswell The "pink tax" doesn't exist. Women are just willing to pay more to get a "gender-affirming" product. The pink tax is ultimately their own fault. | /r/MensRights | 18/04/26 01:12 PM |
| 41 | As an egalitarian woman, I absolutely cannot support the manopshereThere might be real male-specific issues, however when it comes to rape and murders in a relationship, women are totally over-represented amongst the victims. In many jurisdictions, rape-of-men-by-women isn't acknowledged as rape but treated as a separate thing (often called "made to penetrate"). This impacts the rape statistics. A lot of these male specific issues (such as male loneliness) are due to a combination of capitalism and toxic masculinity, they don't stem from the bad behaviour of wo… | /r/MensRights | 18/04/26 01:08 PM |
| 28 | Universal mandatory paternity testsRemember men, 1 in 3 (yes, ONE IN THREE!!!) men who do a paternity test ARE NOT THE FATHER in Canada. Let that sink in. To be entirely fair, the kind of men who seek out paternity tests likely have some sort of reason to suspect infidelity from their partner already. So there's a selection effect at play here. Consequently, we can't presume that 1/3rd of all Canadian children are the product of infidelity. | /r/MensRights | 15/04/26 09:37 AM |
| 1 | Wife of California Gov. Gavin Newsom says she gives her sons dolls and swaps genders in stories to challenge normsIs it paranoid when there's a long-demonstrated pattern of people-like-her being abusive to male children? The correct analogy is not "normal guy hits on a cutie at the bar, let's suspect he's a serial killer." The correct analogy is "guy who we know is a diagnosed sociopath and who has more than one restraining order against him hits on cutie at the bar, let's suspect he might (even if unintentionally) do some harm to said cutie." | /r/MensRights | 08/04/26 11:39 PM |
| 3 | Why many women, if not most women, believe that feminism is about gender equality?Short reasons: Self-interest is a hell of a cognitive bias when it comes to motivated reasoning. A lack of familiarity with what most significant feminist theorists believe(d). Historical cherry-picking. On a few occasions, some feminists DID advocate for things that incidentally were egalitarian or benefitted men, and so these things are highlighted. A genuine, if irrational, belief that women actually are (including in the modern west) subject to widespread collective oppression on the basis o… | /r/MensRights | 08/04/26 07:06 AM |
| 2 | I hate how much propaganda there is around women doing housework being unfairHousework is not paid and therefore less valued. It's compensated "in kind," and since there are markets for people who can provide the same thing (maid/domestique services + cooking), as well as markets for what stay-at-home partners receive for what they do (accommodation, gifts/assets bought specifically for their personal use, etc), we can quite easily calculate the financial value received by stay-at-home partners. Also "this thing isn't compensated specifically with money and therefore it … | /r/MensRights | 08/04/26 04:15 AM |
| 3 | Wife of California Gov. Gavin Newsom says she gives her sons dolls and swaps genders in stories to challenge normsDoes she ever tell stories about a very special and innately precious Prince who the Princess is obliged to kill for, financially support, and risk their own death for? If not, she's doing a bad job at gender-swapping. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/26 03:55 AM |
| 3 | Wife of California Gov. Gavin Newsom says she gives her sons dolls and swaps genders in stories to challenge normsThe issue is a mother who is actively trying to "reprogram" a male child, through the lens of an ideology that is actively hostile to and contemptuous of males. Boys playing with whatever they want, be them feminine-coded-figurines ("dolls") or masculine-coded-figurines ("action figures"), is totally fine. But is Gavin's wife respecting her child's wishes... or is she trying to remold the child's preferences? And feminist childrearing can be outright abusive, and (ironically enough) end up reinf… | /r/MensRights | 08/04/26 03:50 AM |
| 0 | it's just so tiring how so many women act like they are the victim when they are the ones who have all the rights unlike MenI was deferring to the language use of the person I was replying to. There’s really nothing to suggest gender roles are patriarchal or that women play no role in influencing them. I partially agree. Certainly, women co-create the gender roles and the idea that men just arbitrarily set them up how they are is ridiculous. But historically speaking, official leadership roles in formal organizational units has typically been given to males (or a subset of them) over females. This definition of "patr… | /r/MensRights | 05/04/26 08:05 AM |
| 8 | it's just so tiring how so many women act like they are the victim when they are the ones who have all the rights unlike MenTypically, Americans stick to the stigma that men cannot be abused. But I do not believe this is a fault of feminism. The Duluth Model was created by feminist researchers (and its own creator, Ellen Pence, has now rejected it and accepted it is full of confirmation bias), and that model is used by DV services themselves to deny services to men whom have been abused (often they accuse the man of pulling a DARVO and being the "real abuser who's just trying to revictimize the woman he abused"). The… | /r/MensRights | 05/04/26 06:11 AM |
| 4 | Most men do not subscribe to toxic masculinity traits, study findsOriginally "toxic masculinity" meant traits society pushed men to adopt that encouraged them to act in a destructive-to-self or destructive-to-others fashion. Feminists will cite this definition but they've in-practice redefined "toxic masculinity" to mean "any behavior from a man that inconveniences, doesn't center, or gasp criticizes or disagrees with me." I do agree that "masculinity" is used as a social control method though. And the feminist attempt to "redefine masculinity" is just another… | /r/MensRights | 05/04/26 05:28 AM |
| 5 | Is anti-abortion sentiment driven by anti-feminism pushback?But I'm wondering if some people are anti-abortion because they want to punish feminists. It's more about punishing fornicators than feminists. After all, some American conservatives are now demanding men pay child support from the moment of conception. Meanwhile, this same subset of conservatives (who, thankfully, are not all conservatives) also oppose Harm Reduction methods like teaching kids about contraception. Because, once again, they are not opposed to people suffering negative consequenc… | /r/MensRights | 04/04/26 08:25 AM |
| 3 | Should there be a Minister for Men and Boys?You could easily have, beneath the same Minister, separate departments addressing specific needs of each sex. The real problem would be preventing such a department from getting hijacked by feminists (like we see happening even in the private sector, with Movember). | /r/MensRights | 16/03/26 03:03 AM |
| 1 | Feminism and Idiocracy: Iceland as the Canary in the Coal MineIIRC, what the index does is rate "equality" exclusively in terms of inequities-which-disfavor-women whilst ignoring inequities-which-disfavor-men. So they don't literally give extra points for instituting laws which are sexist against men. They just ignore those entirely when measuring "gender equality." And any inequity that favors women/disfavors men is also discarded. | /r/MensRights | 15/03/26 09:29 PM |
| 1 | Feminism and Idiocracy: Iceland as the Canary in the Coal MineThere's kind of an irony. Many feminists stridently insisted there were no sex typicalities and that it was all nurture, so women could "man up." But what we've seen is institutions becoming more feminized, in the name of feminism. A common (and incorrect) criticism of feminism I see here is that it is making women more masculine. But is it? Last I checked, feminism seems to be enshrining and encouraging Toxic Femininity instead. | /r/MensRights | 15/03/26 09:16 PM |
| 1 | Feminism and Idiocracy: Iceland as the Canary in the Coal MineI disagree with the core premise of the article where it says women are incapable of leadership or facts That's not what the "Great Feminization" thesis implies. The argument is basically that normie/average/typical women have a social-relational style that doesn't fit well with the goals of certain institutions. There absolutely are women who aren't normie/average/typical. In addition, the kind/s of MEN who excel at facts and leadership are generally not normie/typical/average men either. | /r/MensRights | 15/03/26 09:13 PM |
| 1 | I think it's better for men to be right-wing if we want to have rights.What do you mean by "right-wing"? The problem is that "right-wing" thought is actually more intellectually diverse than left-wing thought is, because the "right" is everything rejected by the "left." Even if you define "leftism" as the belief that "social hierarchy is unnatural and undesirable," that leaves THREE different potential "right wing" positions (natural and desirable, natural yet undesirable, unnatural yet desirable). So you're going to have to specifically state what flavor of "right… | /r/MensRights | 15/03/26 08:35 PM |
| 2 | I want to stop being so angry at societyYour feelings are valid and rational. Society deserves your rage. | /r/MensRights | 15/03/26 06:31 AM |
| 2 | The political left's treatment of awkward, autistic, and neurodivergent young men is nothing short of evilThe biggest force attacking the culture was the pedophilic elite. You're consistently trying to avoid disaggregation. No, there is no single unified elite. There are multiple individual elites and groups clamoring for elite status who compete against each other in order to get it. The Epstein network is real - it is a thing - but it was most likely a Mossad honeypot operation intended to cultivate Israeli influence over American society and government. And not every elite in America was part of … | /r/MensRights | 14/03/26 11:44 PM |
| 4 | The political left's treatment of awkward, autistic, and neurodivergent young men is nothing short of evilTranslation: you don't have anything you can actually cite. "The billionaires" are not a united class with harmonized interests or political beliefs. If you think Alex Soros and Elon Musk have the same politics or same interests, you're deeply misguided. And plenty of groups have "bot farms," including groups allied with the left. | /r/MensRights | 14/03/26 11:30 PM |
| 3 | The political left's treatment of awkward, autistic, and neurodivergent young men is nothing short of evilNot trying to derail or be in bad faith. Unlikely, given a brigade is occurring. I’m just saying this isn’t a left or right problem at all. But the biggest force attacking the cultures and prospects of 'spergy dudes is the left. This has been true for roughly the past 20 years. The crimes of the Christian Right are well in the past. But you continue to show your lack of knowledge by saying things from the past rather than from recently. LOL. This is a demented attempt to change the temporal goal… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/26 11:28 PM |
| 3 | The political left's treatment of awkward, autistic, and neurodivergent young men is nothing short of evilUSAID fed starving people and the cuts went there Evidence please. Cite it. Not to mention you're acting like the only thing USAID did was feed starving people. This is ridiculous. DOGE identified plenty of things USAID was doing that had nothing to do with feeding starving people (including things like funding new media startups in European countries). By your logic, I can say that the only thing the US military does is humanitarian work in the aftermath of natural disasters, and therefore any … | /r/MensRights | 14/03/26 11:22 PM |
| 5 | The political left's treatment of awkward, autistic, and neurodivergent young men is nothing short of evilThe left took over Silicon Valley? Yet they all voted for maga in the last election. History doesn't stop at the most recent electoral cycle, and SV's biggest VCs aren't representative of all of SV (plus, most of those big names are moving away from SV). Take the entire Obama-Biden eras into account. Look at what was happening inside these corporations for years even at the middle and lower levels. Look who was being employed, look what policies were introduced and enforced, look at how SV resid… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/26 11:19 PM |
| 1 | The political left's treatment of awkward, autistic, and neurodivergent young men is nothing short of evilAgreed entirely. From the "nerd culture wars" to the attacks on (and left's steady turning against) Julian Assange (clear 'sperg), to the clear in-practice-rejection of neurodiversity (despite the in-theory embrace of it) make it very clear what is happening. Its a mixture of make-work program (the normies with useless degrees want to come into 'nerd' industries due to the lucrativity), and cultural/economic/political revenge against us. We disrupted the National Security State (hence the attack… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/26 11:13 PM |
| 1 | The political left's treatment of awkward, autistic, and neurodivergent young men is nothing short of evilApart from the fact that DOGE is hardly alt-right (it's closer to a libertarian than an alt-right program), OP was saying that the manner in which the criticism was made was the issue. If you want to criticize a specific cut made by DOGE, name the cut and explain why that cut is bad. Don't mock the social mannerisms of the person who made the cut. | /r/MensRights | 14/03/26 11:00 PM |
| 3 | The political left's treatment of awkward, autistic, and neurodivergent young men is nothing short of evilThe problem is a societal one. Not another left vs right culture war problem. Except the left have done far more damage to nerdy/awkward men's prospects and subcultures. Colonizing Silicon Valley, taking over nerd subcultures etc, all leftist initiatives. The right even at its worst have done nothing even remotely that damaging, and all of the right's attacks have easily been worked around/circumvented. In addition, there's another issue: the left claims to believe in diversity including neurodi… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/26 10:58 PM |
| 3 | The political left's treatment of awkward, autistic, and neurodivergent young men is nothing short of evilI think the cuts that led to real deaths The vast majority of those cuts were to academic boondoggles (that supported academics, not poor people) or to "economic development" programs that mostly worked out to subsidizing highly-politicized artists in places like Ireland (not an impoverished country). Not to mention, one of the most potent criticisms of DOGE is that it underdelivered by a factor of ten. So what is it? Did those cuts work out to mass-death blood money? Or were they trivial and ha… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/26 10:52 PM |
| 81 | The endless studies on why Women pick "sugar arrangements" as a job substitute. See if you can find any gender biasYeah. The women are framed as victims, not gold-diggers. Also, the article suggests that the women who are more open to sugaring have more Borderline Personality Disorder traits. There's been a long campaign to delegitimize BPD and to say the notion itself is either sexist or that BPD is really just Complex PTSD caused by childhood trauma... in other words, she's not crazy nor should she be expected to practice basic adult emotional regulation, she's a victim of abuse. I mean, yes, childhood tra… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/26 12:03 PM |
| 1 | Why are progressive feminists letting their husbands put them in polyamorous harems?Note how the entire article is all "some people engage in nonmonogamous relationships - women biggest victims." The article isn't wrong to say that the relationship in question is a clear case of androcentric polyamory, and that the man who demanded it used progressive ideology to get his way. But the fact is that the reverse pattern also exists: women who aren't actually poly but are using progressive ideology to demand that the prudent-yet-unsexy man she has a relationship with accept her slee… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/26 10:45 AM |
| 2 | Becker Barro model and feminist narativesIt’s pretty clear that the true priority in poor countries is the parents desire to have children that are obligated to look after them in old age. I have to agree with this, and I'm an economist myself and familiar with Becker's work (although I'm not familiar with this specific equation). From what I read in OP's post (maybe I'm wrong here), Becker is modelling children as effectively a form of consumption. However, if having children were a matter of consumption, we wouldn't see the consisten… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/26 07:08 AM |
| 10 | What is your opinion on reports that Disney is attempting to win back men and boys?They need to be driven out of business purely as an act of retaliation. At the very least they should be driven into a situation where they have to sell off their "boy" IPs and are forced to retreat to focusing on their real core audience - young children and young women. In theory they could make good entertainment for teenage males but they simply refuse to do so out of spite. They don't want to provide entertainment for them. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/26 06:00 AM |
| 3 | We Need To Prepare Boys For School, Not Schools For BoysNo, we need radical education reform. And not just for boy's sake (although that is part of it). Anything short of Montessori is child abuse. Teacher's Unions must be abolished. School Choice, whilst necessary, won't fix everything (too many parents will send kids off to abusive schools). The idea that "we need to prepare boys for school" is frankly misandrist. It's saying "boys need to be pre-emptively broken so they fit into authoritarian institutions and don't Rock The Boat." The school syste… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/26 03:58 AM |
| 3 | Restore Britain is the only political party (that I can see) standing up for menNo one is going to openly say they're ethnic nationalist. The big problem with these "crypto-" arguments is that they're unfalsifiable. And if a politician has (for example) several policies which work against the secret goals they're alleged to have, those policies just get excused as "window dressing/diversion to give the politician plausible deniability." So in other words, nothing the politician can do will actually disprove the charges... a policy that works towards the alleged secret goal … | /r/MensRights | 18/02/26 11:11 AM |
| 1 | Restore Britain is the only political party (that I can see) standing up for menThey want to cut services for everyone. They claim to want "welfare for British men and women" but the guy always go on about cutting welfare. If you stop non-citizens from accessing welfare, you by definition reduce expenditure on welfare. If you increase the efficiency of the welfare system, you by definition reduce total expenditure whilst maintaining the current levels of output (i.e. amount of welfare that gets to the beneficiary). It is perfectly possible to "cut welfare" without reducing … | /r/MensRights | 17/02/26 02:34 AM |
| 0 | Restore Britain is the only political party (that I can see) standing up for menHow the hell will an ethno-nationalist party help men's rights? I've read Restore Britain's policies and I see no ethno-nationalism. The policy is to enforce existing immigration law, deport those in the UK illegally and get rid of the "indefinite leave to remain" status (which allows non-citizens to access the UK safety net). None of these are racial or ethnonationalistic. None of the proposed changes he makes to immigration policy are "racist" (i.e. predicated on race). Tons of people who woul… | /r/MensRights | 17/02/26 02:30 AM |
| 1 | Restore Britain is the only political party (that I can see) standing up for menCould you perhaps give a link to Restore Britain's policy on family courts? I couldn't find it on their website. | /r/MensRights | 17/02/26 02:17 AM |
| 32 | Is it necessary to completely avoid women in the gym, if only for self-preservation?Just don't be a creep Unfortunately, "creep" has been shown to be a subjective classification, and many women (not all women) will consider the same behavior from an ugly or 'spergy man "creepy" but from a handsome man will consider it "cute." In addition, "creep" as a category package-deals two different things... "I found this interaction weird, awkward and off-putting" with "this man is CLEARLY A FUCKING SEX OFFENDER PUT HIM IN JAIL NOW." Some (again not all) women maliciously conflate the tw… | /r/MensRights | 16/02/26 04:27 AM |
| 1 | Message the SAM project about men's issues!They won't care. SAM is an initiative of the Democratic Party, which is basically the party of normie women. Normie women are (due primarily to widescale cultural infantilization and coddling and pandering) too enthralled by their own lizard-brain instincts to give a fuck about men, particularly men who suffer on account of their sex. To the normie woman lizard brain, such a man is not worthy of concern because Men Must Be Strong In Order For Her To Respect Them As Worthy Humans. Unless some ver… | /r/MensRights | 16/02/26 01:09 AM |
| 7 | Four men in unredacted files named by Ro Khanna have no ties to Epstein"Person's name is in the Epstein Files" =/= "named person had sex with someone underage." The Epstein affair is truly horrific, but obviously not everyone he talked to at a party once (or something else relatively trivial) fucked minors trafficked by him. We need to start demanding context when we hear "he was mentioned in the Epstein files!" | /r/MensRights | 14/02/26 09:10 AM |
| 16 | Were women really affected disproportionately by mental institutions in 19th century?Your first paragraph is absolutely valid and we can see the statute. However, whilst I agree the atrocious statute was evil, the OP is asking for evidence of whether or not women ended up in insane asylums disproportionately (so presumably at a larger share than their population percentage). The statute you cite is not evidence that this was the case, merely that married women were denied equal protection of the law by this statute. As for your second paragraph, that's just feminist mythology. A… | /r/MensRights | 11/02/26 07:01 AM |
| 11 | What does feminist actually mean?Advocacy for the interests, rights, status and position of women, typically premised on the idea that women are the oppressed sex. Most forms of feminism absolutely insist that it is women whom are the oppressed sex, and think "both sexes suffer in different ways" isn't an acceptable feminist position. | /r/MensRights | 10/02/26 07:56 AM |
| 31 | Japan’s Conservatives Claim Landslide VictoryI'm on the political right myself but I need to ask... is the new PM going to do anything to help men in Japan? I mean if she's defending freedom for anime artists to make porn that pisses off feminists, that's a good thing (both from a classical liberalism angle and a men's interests angle). But perhaps you could detail some specifics as to what she plans to do that is good for males? | /r/MensRights | 10/02/26 12:04 AM |
| 6 | I'm gay and genuinely tired of misandryIndeed. Specifically a bigotry towards male homosexuality. Conservatives who love lesbian porn but rant about "those fags"? Homomisandrists. The assumption that gay men are sexual predators but lesbians aren't? Homomisandry. Radfems who think lesbianism is a radical stance for women's rights but gay men are misogynists for denying affection to women? Homomisandrists. | /r/MensRights | 09/02/26 11:47 PM |
| 4 | I'm gay and genuinely tired of misandryI wonder how the two interplay. Does the homophobic man dislike me for being gay but like me for being a man, or does the homophobic woman like me for being a man because she wishes she could sleep with me but dislike me for being gay because now I have made her pride unstable and brought to life her insecurity? The argument that I generally incline towards is that women-who-objectify-gay-men do so out of basically a desire to have the ultimate Beta Orbiter. Even gay men are sometimes prone to c… | /r/MensRights | 09/02/26 11:28 PM |
| 23 | Why are radical feminists so triggered by MGTOW?You're totally right about the paradox. Radfems said "marriage is oppressive to women" and even "heterosexuality is oppressive to women" so MGTOWs gladly withdrew their wedding rings and oppression rods. Radfems complain. Radfems talk about bodily autonomy... but scream at men exercising their own. The paradox's obvious irrationality suggests, to me, there's some underlying evolved mechanism at play. Basically, the feminine lizard brain sees men-disengaging-from-women as a threat to women's happ… | /r/MensRights | 08/02/26 10:48 PM |
| 9 | I'm gay and genuinely tired of misandryYes, I'm aware that many of the early feminists embraced the same Scientific Racism that was commonly believed by the intelligentsia at the time. | /r/MensRights | 08/02/26 08:27 AM |
| 22 | I'm gay and genuinely tired of misandryI totally feel your pain. The simple reality is that when women write slash/yaoi, 95% of the time they write an extremely heteronormative relationship dynamic. I've written about this before (see https://www.reddit.com/r/askAGP/comments/1q55mjj/two_kinds_of_slashyaoi_fangirl_fujoshi/). I think they're "gaywashing" their ultimately-conventional sexual desires as a way of dealing with the conflict between feminist ideology and those desires. Having two (nominal) males act out the conventional dyna… | /r/MensRights | 08/02/26 07:22 AM |
| 150 | I'm gay and genuinely tired of misandryBisexual here, and I'm glad you've realized the depths of women's homophobia. The feminist movement hijacked gay rights back in the 70s and made it a lesbian-feminist-dominated movement with men under female supervision. Straight women objectify gay men all the time and act like they're "allies" just because they flick their beans to yaoi. The minute a gay man stops being a purse dog to her, she becomes as homophobic as a stereotypical redneck. | /r/MensRights | 08/02/26 05:50 AM |
| 1 | Pentagon threatens to pull military support from Boy Scouts unless they restore ‘core values’The Pentagon shouldn't support Scouting America or any other similarly-situated organizations. Full stop. | /r/MensRights | 08/02/26 05:45 AM |
| 8 | MRAs who lean right, what appeals to you in right ideology? Ppl say rMensRights is right wing, but as a left-leaning centrist, sub gives me more left vibe to me as it completely coincides with my views, but there's also some right wing opinions here I agree on. Can you expand on what right is about?I'm a libertarian (i.e. free market classical liberal) so that gets me classified as "right wing" despite the fact that my social views are quite radically opposed to tradcons. Here's the thing: there is NO unified "right wing" ideology. There is NO common denominator between "right wing" thinkers in terms of their actual beliefs. Compare Ayn Rand and Adolf Hitler. They had literally the opposite position on every single substantive political and philosophical issue, yet both get called "right w… | /r/MensRights | 08/02/26 04:56 AM |
| 4 | Male rape is not rare- IT'S HIGHLY UNDER-REPORTEDYou could fairly argue that, in the aftermath of rape, males have sex-specific needs. This is particularly true in a society which has a lot of (sometimes unfair and unreasonable) sexed narratives surrounding that crime. | /r/MensRights | 11/01/26 10:41 AM |
| 0 | Men and women need to be held to the same standardsThe logic doesn't follow. "Women doing X is easy therefore it is immoral, men doing X is hard therefore it is admirable" simply makes no sense. There are plenty of very easy things that are completely morally insignificant, or even virtuous to some degree. Meanwhile, something can be very hard yet still evil... it isn't easy to become a totalitarian dictator and retain power for a long time, but few people would call it morally admirable (even if it does show some sort of skill, sure). In additi… | /r/MensRights | 10/01/26 10:20 AM |
| 9 | Three-year-olds learn to reject toxic masculinity at London schoolsIf I'm wrong, post the actual curriculum content. And on top of that, how can we stop radfem teachers (of which there are many in UK public schools because the teacher's unions are woke left as fuck) peppering their own commentary into the lesson? What sort of emotional reaction that feminists wouldn’t like are you describing? It should be obvious. Out of one corner of their mouths, feminists habitually say "men should be able to share their feelings." When men do so in ways that inconvenience o… | /r/MensRights | 10/01/26 09:52 AM |
| 2 | How would you describe movements like mgtow, blackpill/redpill (...) and how would you say they fight for men's rights ? How would you say they differ from, for example, the 4b movement in the fight for women's rights ? Is there truly a movement you feel like fights for equality ?MGTOW is just men engaging in a marriage strike, more out of self-preservation than out of a desire to cause change. Red and Blackpill spaces have no inherent political content - they're just theories about how conventional heterosexual dating operates. They are not, in and of themselves, political movements or rights movements, although it is fair to say some Red/Blackpillers join these dating theories with their own political convictions (which vary). In and of themselves they don't fight for … | /r/MensRights | 10/01/26 09:10 AM |
| 9 | Three-year-olds learn to reject toxic masculinity at London schoolsAnd what happens when men have an emotional reaction that feminists don't like? All of that "all children need to be seen and heard, and no emotional reaction is bad because your feelings matter" goes out the window. Boy complains that his favorite TV show has been retooled for girls? MISOGYNY! Boy complains that media for women depicts violence by women against men as empowering? MISOGYNY! Boy complains that this course, which is meant to stop violence against women, mentions Jamie from Adolesc… | /r/MensRights | 10/01/26 09:03 AM |
| 1 | The Demonization of Porn is misandryIt could be argued that this power is a "consolation prize" designed to act as the piece of cheese to entice the mouse into the trap. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/25 11:55 PM |
| 11 | Women are more likely to view and be aroused by aggressive porn, In contrast to menNo surprise. Women like a man who can be aggressive because such a man can take out other men, defend and protect her etc. Meanwhile, men don't need her to prove she can protect or dish out violence. | /r/BlackPillScience | 29/12/25 09:34 AM |
| 31 | What do you think about the take that “we don’t have a gun violence issue, it’s a men issue”The vast majority of US gun violence is a "war on drugs"-related issue. Remove the gun violence that can be attributed to the inner city drug trade, and US gun violence rates become hard to distinguish those of Northern Europe. It isn't a sex thing. | /r/MensRights | 27/12/25 09:41 AM |
| 7 | Far right aren't the solution for mens rights"Left" and "right" are almost meaningless labels. IMO, "left" just means "anything the professoriate likes" and "right" means the opposite. As for men's rights, feminism and "blame all men (especially white ones) for everything bad" is orthodoxy on the vast majority of the left, and among the so-called intelligentsia. This makes anything-that-doesn't-treat-men-as-collectively-guilty-for-everything-bad as "right wing" simply because it isn't the trendy position on university campuses. That said, … | /r/MensRights | 27/12/25 01:12 AM |
| 7 | The Casual Misandry of The Big Bang TheoryNerdy men and "loser" men (men who fail to meet traditional standards of "real manhood") are acceptable targets. They're practically treated as a third gender in our society. There's also the additional layer of bigotry-against-'spergy-neuroatypicals involved in this, too. I think that asperger's traits in males just give females "the ick" (probably because the average female wants a man whom is highly socially adroit, so 'spergers is an utter turnoff), and because women are people they're prone… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/25 12:01 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Cuckoldry and Polygyny is the Future Which Redpillers Need to AcceptThat's not sharing, that's just casual sex. Most people who have casual sex aren't having casual sex exclusively with a single person over a sustained period of time. The sharing isn't obvious/explicit. But it is present and tacitly tolerated, out-of-sight-and-out-of-mind. Most people don't spend their lives doing that and are monogamous for the majority of their sex-having years. Could you provide a citation and a time-horizon that you'd use to demarcate "very-short-term serial monogamy" from "… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/25 02:26 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Cuckoldry and Polygyny is the Future Which Redpillers Need to AcceptI agree women don't want to share, but as a matter of fact they are tacitly tolerating a system in which they end up sharing. You can export responsibility for it onto men by calling them "cads" and "fuckboys" whom are "spinning plates" if you like. But women tacitly accept this, and men explicitly desire it. I am not morally judging this. The heart wants what it wants. But it is quite easy for a system of romantic serial monogamy to end up as one with de facto polygyny if hookups are relatively… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/25 12:54 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Cuckoldry and Polygyny is the Future Which Redpillers Need to AcceptJust to be clear, are you mixing up polygyny with polygamy ? No, OP is mixing "polygyny" with "polyandry." I noticed the error too, though. Its rather frustrating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/25 12:43 AM |
| 12 | (CMV): A Far-Right / Socially Conservative Backlash Is Inevitable Given the Current State of the Western Sexual MarketplaceIs Afghanistan some sort of sexual utopia for men? A very good point. Nostalgia for tradconism always misses how tradconism didn't give every man what he wanted, either. The sad reality is both the male lizard brain and female lizard brain want impossible/un-universalizable things. As such, all romantic institutions will impose some sort of cost upon (i.e. not be absolutely perfect for) people. We're always going to have to live in a world of tradeoffs and negotiated compromise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/25 12:11 AM |
| 0 | (CMV): A Far-Right / Socially Conservative Backlash Is Inevitable Given the Current State of the Western Sexual MarketplaceI agree with points 1 and 2, however I think you're missing several things. Firstly, there's inherently a problem with trying to reassert theologically conservative (or perhaps more accurately, sociosexually conservative) religion. The big one is, as you pointed out, that it is being done so currently for what are fundamentally insincere and functionalistic reasons. But we in the West have an historical tradition of orthodoxic Christianity centered on the idea of sincere individual faith as the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/25 12:07 AM |
| 7 | Why do women advice men that if they want a great sex life, they should marry a promiscuous woman? Why does a man need to MARRY a promiscuous woman to benefit from her sexual experience and high libido?I've seen this advice, but I think it is usually offered in the context of men who explicitly say they want to marry. Example: "How can I get a very fulfilling married sex life with a woman that won't dead-bedroom me and will also be adventurous and enthusiastic as a co-participant?" "Perhaps you should screen for, rather than against, women who display such characteristics already?" I'm hardly a bloop or gynocentrist, and I know most dating advice offered to men by women is (not necessarily int… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/25 12:04 PM |
| 1 | Why are Red Pillers so obsessed with status?You may define status in a specific way but it aint the same as the one red pillers are obsessed with. I've been on these forums for far longer than you have, and yes, I know how Red Pillers define status. It is pretty close to my basic definition - look like the kind of guy that is popular in high schools. Some wealth helps (as it shows competence in climbing social hierarchies within organizations that pay you money) but too much attracts gold diggers. Social status is something they don't car… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/25 10:40 AM |
| 1 | Why are Red Pillers so obsessed with status?Buddy just stop embarrassing yourself already lmao. Translation: "stop engaging in behavior that lowers the esteem others hold you in!" And yet... you're trying to prove that social status isn't meaningful or salient in terms of life outcomes and that TRPers shouldn't give a fuck about it. Your argument is literally self-refuting. Like if you stood up and said "I do not exist!" (you need to exist in order to say something in the first place). And you can at the end try to argue that status is th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/25 10:09 AM |
| 1 | Why are Red Pillers so obsessed with status?Because ur fucking sperging. And that's only a bad thing if you believe normalcy/neurotypicality = good and 'spergy characteristics = bad. That's quite literally the construction of a status hierarchy. One that people with Asperger's Syndrome, which (yes) I do have, are very familiar with, as it is set against us our whole lives. Again, I find it hard to believe you can be so utterly obtuse about this. You're pissing on a lawn, I'm telling you that you're pissing on a lawn, and you're denying th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/25 09:50 AM |
| 1 | Why are Red Pillers so obsessed with status?Buddy do yourselves a favor and go outside, get some fresh air, get yourself some tea and maybe talk to some people. This is fucking sad. Why is it sad? Because "normal people" are sociable and Loners Are Freaks and a good person has lots of friends? Those are literally the underlying premises of every single insult you just threw at me. I'm just taking what you said seriously. And it proves my point. If someone says "if a man is held in high esteem by others, he'll be treated better by them" an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/25 09:35 AM |
| 1 | Why are Red Pillers so obsessed with status?People thinking that something they don't have is important, and other people finding it amusing because of how false it is ain't proving them right. The typical response to falsehood is not mockery/belittlement. It's cute to see you coping though lmao. Again, this is mockery/belittlement (the dismissive use of internet-speak, the diminutive term like "cute," the clear enjoyment you take in this, etc.). Mockery/belittlement is what people do out of contempt, which is a status-based emotion (it i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/25 09:27 AM |
| 2 | At what age people should become first time parents?First consideration: do they want children? Second consideration: do they have the right temperament, preferences and skill set to raise children? (example - if you're strongly averse to energetic hobbies, you might not be the best fit for parenting, at least most children) Third consideration that's a slight derivative of the second consideration: Are they willing to adapt to the child's needs and preferences to a reasonable extent instead of demanding the child fit into their pre-existing life… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/25 09:12 AM |
| 1 | Why are Red Pillers so obsessed with status?It should be obvious why. Because all of society is. And a huge reason TRP and the manosphere (and, to an extent, certain factions on the political right) have exploded is because whilst our society nominally espouses egalitarianism and rejects certain hierarchies as evil/immoral/illegitimate/unnatural, even those who espouse the most radical form/s of egalitarianism are creating and reinforcing hierarchies. The abject hypocrisy of many advocates of "equality" is causing counterreaction. "Social… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/25 08:49 AM |
| 2 | Why are Red Pillers so obsessed with status?The fact you're mocking "people who think status is important" for lacking status actually proves their argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/25 08:27 AM |
| 2 | The DL trend exists, because there is connection between homophobia and benevolent sexism.There are far more posts on this sub of men blaming women for their problems than the reverse. By a large number And in the context of the dating discourse at large, this sub is a drop in the ocean compared to a status quo in which a mixture of ideological feminism and benevolent sexism consistently proclaims that every single problem in the relations between the sexes is caused by men and that men have to fix it. It should be obvious to everyone that "this is a way in which women contribute to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/25 05:42 AM |
| -1 | The DL trend exists, because there is connection between homophobia and benevolent sexism.Saying masculinity is totally separate from sexuality is just wrong in practice. It's also wrong legally. Ever since Bostock v. Clayton County, it has been legally affirmed that discrimination against gay people is unavoidably a form of sex discrimination. I doubt your interlocutor would like their argument used against that particular ruling. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/25 05:37 AM |
| 1 | In a societal level, no one is going to grant you freedom from oppressive structures and roles. If you want clemency, fight for it.I don't like Elam, but all MHRM leaders get mischaracterized by ideologically-captured press (including Dr Warren Farrell). And what you said is, from what I know, inaccurate. Elam said, if he were on a jury for a rape trial and the defendant is male, he'd vote to acquit on principle because there is a long history of prosecutors in the US withholding exculpatory evidence in trials of males accused of rape (Criminal Justice Reform advocates make very similar arguments about prosecutorial miscond… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/25 10:55 PM |
| 1 | Women complain about men lacking commitment, yet society allows women to always have one foot out the door while putting all the risk on men if they do commitBecause, from the perspective of the government/administrator, and from the perspective of basic economic-organization theory, a household (a corporate unit) still looks different to a single person living alone in their own place. And, if households produce positive externalities, then the difficulty-to-dissolve-them is not relevant to the question of whether or not they should be subsidized in any way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/25 10:17 AM |
| 1 | Domestic labor being a point of contention in marriages is the fault of feminism, not menIn the situation you describe, that the wife has a job of the same intensity/commitment/strenuousness level, and that she also has (on top of that) household duties exclusively imposed on her, I agree it is unfair. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/25 10:14 AM |
| 1 | Women complain about men lacking commitment, yet society allows women to always have one foot out the door while putting all the risk on men if they do commit"Why bother having the legal relationship at all?" Because policy distinguishes between households (corporate units) and individuals who live singly. Acknowledging-marriage-in-public-policy still serves this legitimate function (as, for the most part, marriage is the way in which households are 'incorporated' or formed). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/25 09:45 AM |
| 1 | Women complain about men lacking commitment, yet society allows women to always have one foot out the door while putting all the risk on men if they do commitI think the former (reduce potential dissolution costs) is the better alternative. As a society, we've accepted the basic ideal of romantic serial monogamy - that committed relationships are about the love between and happiness of the people involved in said relationships. Forcing (or guilting or coercing) people to remain in unsatisfying, unloving relationships is antithetical to said ideal. Consequently, since romantic serial monogamy is not going to be abandoned and no one wants to relinquish… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/25 08:34 AM |
| -9 | Domestic labor being a point of contention in marriages is the fault of feminism, not menSo, men get to be tired after work but women don’t? I don't think OP was saying that. Rather, I think OP is saying that it is unfair for a woman in an opposite-sex relationship to demand a partner who can both be a completely dedicated ambitious fulltime careerist and do housework, owing to the fact that completely dedicated fulltime careerism is much more draining than more flexible/casual work. Then I imagine you guys would be happy to fully financially support your wives to stay home and do a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/25 07:17 AM |
| -1 | Domestic labor being a point of contention in marriages is the fault of feminism, not menThe counterargument is that both genders prefer work outside of the house to childcare and domestic work. Some would greatly disagree with that. Not to mention, work outside the house might be simultaneously more grueling but more lucrative. Obviously every couple/household needs to make their own decisions about the subject and optimally arrange their affairs. But the idea that domesticity = slavery and jobs = fulfilment was perhaps Friedan's greatest mistake (an external job DOES give financia… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/25 07:04 AM |
| 20 | In a societal level, no one is going to grant you freedom from oppressive structures and roles. If you want clemency, fight for it.If you don’t like male gender roles, have your own movement to stir men up and fight to make gender roles non-obligatory. We have that movement... the Men's Human Rights Movement... and whenever we try to meet we get feminist protests (I know, I've attended an International Conference on Men's Issues and we had to keep the venue secret to avoid picketing). Feminists also claim our movement is either redundant/unnecessary or that it is somehow misogynist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/25 03:57 AM |
| 1 | A lot of women don't want emotional intelligence from men, they want emotional validation from men.This probably sums up the aspect I was picking up on originally as disdainful. I mean this in no way as offense, but you seem to be heavily on the systemetizing side of things Correct. Diagnosed 'sperg. which makes me think the calibration of your beliefs on the ethics of empathizing might be a little far to the one side. Well we're going to have to absolutely disagree there. I think I'm quite accurate in my valuation of empathy's ethical significance. But this isn't a "debate ethics" subreddit … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/25 01:42 AM |
| 1 | How Far-Right Manfluencers Are Grooming Lost Boys | Uncloseted MediaSo now the same is happening with men's rights with male versions of Dworkin and Steinham grabbing the headlines. I'd partially disagree, because Fuentes and Tate are tradcons, not MRAs. They're not the male-equivalent-of-feminists. MRAs want to abolish men's sex-based obligations to women, NOT to re-establish women's sex-based obligations to men (which is what Tradcons want to do). | /r/MensRights | 13/12/25 01:31 AM |
| 1 | How Far-Right Manfluencers Are Grooming Lost Boys | Uncloseted MediaYou can criticize cultural feminization without being against women's rights. Do you want a world that is more like Mean Girls? If the answer is "no," you're opposing cultural feminization. None of that requires any opposition to individual rights for women. | /r/MensRights | 13/12/25 01:29 AM |
| 1 | How Far-Right Manfluencers Are Grooming Lost Boys | Uncloseted MediaI agree that governmental power structures are ultimately the issue, but these governmental power structures are habitually justified with the language of "women and minorities." You can't expect people to NOT turn a critical eye to "women and minorities" identity politics, considering that these identity politics function as the legitimizing narrative for the governmental power structures in question. Also, to be fair, criticism of any particular set of identity politics advocacy is not necessa… | /r/MensRights | 13/12/25 01:25 AM |
| 1 | A lot of women don't want emotional intelligence from men, they want emotional validation from men.You seem to be advocating for withholding validation from others except in rare extreme circumstances, out of an abundance of caution towards avoiding poor outcomes that mainly apply to an extreme outlet set. It's not so much that I think validation should be withheld as that insincere validation should be withheld. Telling someone you share or understand their feelings when you actually don't. Telling someone you agree with them when you actually don't. Telling someone their feelings are valid … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/25 01:10 AM |
| 2 | A lot of women don't want emotional intelligence from men, they want emotional validation from men.You initially were talking about allistic people and people who feel more and think less -- that's a much larger group than people with cluster B personality disorders. True, but the difference is one of degree rather than principle. BPD and HPD, and to a lesser extend NPD, is just the absolute extreme "feels over facts" mindset. I think it's fair to consider a 'normal' fairly healthy person as our case study here, not the most extreme cases. And we expect normal, mentally healthy people to emot… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/25 12:46 AM |
| 12 | A lot of women don't want emotional intelligence from men, they want emotional validation from men.You are describing a subset of emotionally immature women who don’t have the emotional intelligence to handle their own feelings. I agree. The problems OP are pointing to are: This subset is substantially larger than it should be, and This subset gets away with calling their emotional incontinence/dysregulation "emotional intelligence" when, as you pointed out, it absolutely is not "emotional intelligence" by the definition you propose. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/25 11:05 PM |
| 3 | A lot of women don't want emotional intelligence from men, they want emotional validation from men.rationally, there's no reason not to validate the feelings of psychic vampires. Only if you presume validating said feelings is a costless act and doesn't come with further-costs-down-the-road (i.e. the consequences of wide-scale-enabled cluster B personality disorders). I think both of those presumptions are highly questionable. It sounds like that would be pretty effective at resolving their dysregulation. Alternatively, the psychic vampires can learn to regulate themselves, like all other adu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/25 11:00 PM |
| 1 | How often do women hold other women accountable ?Alternatively, we can embrace individual responsibility instead, and say no individual is responsible for the conduct of other individuals, even those who happen to share their sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/25 10:50 PM |
| -1 | Women complain about men lacking commitment, yet society allows women to always have one foot out the door while putting all the risk on men if they do commitIt's surprising how "triggered" so many people are to this thread. I mean, all you're really saying is "if you want men to be more willing to commit, reduce the potential cost of relationship dissolution." That's trivially obvious, and the fact so many people are hostile to the idea proves that they essentially believe women are entitled to extract as much as possible out of men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/25 10:40 PM |
| 12 | A lot of women don't want emotional intelligence from men, they want emotional validation from men.I have to agree here. I'd be even more radical: "emotional intelligence" doesn't exist. The term is just a synonym for neurotypicality and is used by people who feel-too-much-and-think-too-little to pretend that their glandular excretions are somehow up there with the discoveries of Nicola Tesla, Albert Einstein, John Locke, Francis Bacon etc. Hence why "emotional intelligence" in practice works out to validating-the-feelings-of-psychic-vampires. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/25 10:37 PM |
| 2 | Nothing is actually *that* hard to explain. "Hard to explain" is just code for "I have no argument"Which again, NO that’s the whole point. You’re using people like Bundy actual fucking sociopaths to make your point. They ARENT easy to detect that’s the whole point. They ARENT your run of the mill abuser/misogynist whathaveyou. It’s NOT a good comparison to make. I'm very aware sociopaths are good mimics. That's one of the hallmarks of sociopathy. But if this "creep detector" faculty is regularly bypassed by the most dangerous men, that says something about the faculty's function (and no, I am… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/25 08:40 AM |
| 4 | Nothing is actually *that* hard to explain. "Hard to explain" is just code for "I have no argument"The sociopath is a woman. Got it. Point being , you detected her with rational methods (neocortex), not some mystical ability to "see the misogyny in someone's reddit posts by looking at them" (which is what some women on this forum allege to possess). You’re not explaining how whatever it is you’re labeling as the “creep detector/misogyny detector” is anything different from just intuition that someone’s a bad guy. Because it clearly doesn't screen for "badness" or "dangerous-to-me-ness" or "da… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/25 06:55 AM |
| 5 | Nothing is actually *that* hard to explain. "Hard to explain" is just code for "I have no argument"Yeah I mean you are saying they can’t pick up on abusers dude. You’re just using more language. I'm not saying women can't pick up on abusers. I'm saying that the so-called "creep detector/misogyny detector" is not the faculty which enables women to do this. When you described your experience with the sociopath, you made this clear. The sociopath said things which were falsifiable and inconsistent. The sociopath was trying to manipulate you. You saw that with your rational mind and recognized wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/25 06:19 AM |
| 7 | Nothing is actually *that* hard to explain. "Hard to explain" is just code for "I have no argument"I never said women can't pick up on abusers. My argument is that, much of the time (not all the time), when (the majority of neurotypical opposite-sex-attracted) women claim they find a guy "weird/strange/he gave me a creepy feeling" they aren't triggered by actual danger, but rather Autism-spectrum-style social awkwardness. However, because they are either lacking in self-awareness or just don't want to say "I got the ick because I don't like men whom aren't socially adroit," they construct a c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/25 05:29 AM |
| 7 | Nothing is actually *that* hard to explain. "Hard to explain" is just code for "I have no argument"So you've never been left with a feeling of unease from someone who hasn't done anything directly wrong? Someone who just made you feel uncomfortable for a reason you can't put your finger on? This is such a common and human experience It is... but is that experience ACTUALLY an instinct that protects people from real physical danger? I think it is more likely to be an "ick" response to 'spergs/autists. It clearly doesn't screen out sociopaths (look at what Ted Bundy got away with). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/25 02:52 AM |
| 0 | Women who wear makeup have no trouble finding dates. Men who are bulky have no trouble finding datesNobody wants to fuck Dom from Gears of War. Tell that to the Gears of War "bara" fandom... A muscular natty body is what women seem to like the most. On that, I agree. And it makes sense. Women want naturals. Very intense bodybuilding, 'roids and the like turn them off... either because they see it as mimicry, or because they see his own dedication to his own appearance as some kind of threat to his willingness to give his resources to her ("he spends too much on himself and not enough on MEEEEE… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/25 11:48 PM |
| 1 | What would it take to heal the divide that has seemingly arisen between the sexes so that we can all move forward together, against injustice?I absolutely agree there are situations where biological sex cannot be ignored. Medical being the big one. That said, I was speaking legally. The law shouldn't differentiate between the sexes, even if sometimes the government must (like if it gets involved in healthcare for example). But like what would a gender-blind society look like to you for the people living in it? It wouldn't look massively different but there would be far less benevolent sexism, for one thing. And much more indifference … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/25 10:42 PM |
| 1 | What would it take to heal the divide that has seemingly arisen between the sexes so that we can all move forward together, against injustice?Thank you for the response! So pretty much just eliminate gendered vocabulary in law and policies and be "genderblind" per say? I agree with that wholeheartedly. Glad we're on the same page there. Yes, law should be utterly sex-blind/gender-blind in every respect. And why would you assume I was just talking about policies when I specifically said policies and individuals? I presume by "individuals" you mean in terms of culture and lifestyle, right? I'm an individualist so I don't want to make cu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/25 11:59 PM |
| 1 | What would it take to heal the divide that has seemingly arisen between the sexes so that we can all move forward together, against injustice?The complete abolition of any sex-or-gender-based affirmative action for starters (it is based on benevolent sexism). And the introduction of legal paternal surrender. And no public funding for DV shelters that use the Duluth Model (this reinforces the idea of men-as-actors-and-women-as-acted-upon). Complete abolition of all conscription ideally BUT if conscription occurs it must be sex-neutral. And all divorce proceedings should begin with a rebuttable presumption in favor of shared parenting. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/25 10:09 PM |
| 5 | What would it take to heal the divide that has seemingly arisen between the sexes so that we can all move forward together, against injustice?The punishment of malicious false accusations of rape and abuse, the abolition of traditionalism (including the aspects of traditionalism that feminism likes and reinforces) as well as the complete extension of the sexual revolution to men (requiring the destigmatization of sex work, sex bots and male sex toys, and porn for men as well as men's initiatives to decenter women). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/25 05:07 AM |
| – | Is there a way to express sex positivity on dating apps without coming off as weird?Women here on PPD may not be hostile to sex-positivity in males. However, normie women on dating apps assume all men are eternally horny and see male embrace of explicit sex-positive rhetoric as opportunistic at best, and utterly revolting if the male is ugly. My advice is to avoid using the rhetoric of sex-positivity entirely. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/25 05:01 AM |
| 5 | Society threat profiles men if they approach women, and clowns on them if they end up lonely and "unfuckable"I don't blame you. At this point, blue hair + septum piercing are red flags for BPD, idiotic politics and willingness to make false rape allegations. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/25 02:35 AM |
| 17 | Women suffer from Romantic Neuroticism and Weaponized Competence.>How individuals communicate varies. It is incumbent upon both parties to understand, and adapt to this fact. Every example above is nullified by mutually effective communication skills. Agreed entirely. The problem, though, is gynonormativity. Women believe that how THEY communicate is the CORRECT way to communicate, that a more typically-male form of communication is INCORRECT (or even outright bigoted or toxic), and thus the man must adapt to her mode of communication at all times. And with t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/25 02:34 AM |
| 4 | Males strange obsession with losing their V cardsThat's a very weird reading of the film. Rather, their obsession with losing their V-Card was absolutely the social norm of the time among men. You're a woman - you don't have that same social pressure put onto you (you get the inverse depending on how socially conservative a community is). And before "American Pie," there was "Porky's." Same basic idea. Also see Sex as Rite-of-Passage - All The Tropes | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/25 10:09 PM |
| 3 | Males strange obsession with losing their V cardsWell you absolutely should see it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/25 07:27 AM |
| 6 | Males strange obsession with losing their V cardsThere's literally multiple movies reinforcing and celebrating the concept. The original "American Pie" for example. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/25 06:53 AM |
| 14 | Males strange obsession with losing their V cardsMen get socialised into gender norms, too. You can't pretend that men are just arbitrarily believing in this stuff, even if it hurts them. They're indoctrinated. They have social norms inculcated into them. The idea of sex-as-achieving-real-manhood is one of those things. You should ask about the social/cultural roots of such an idea instead of treating the idea as just something random men just choose to believe. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/25 06:34 AM |
| 5 | Is Working a Blue Collar Job a Death Sentence for Male Datinf?Indeed. They benefit from credentialism/classism so, well, they preserve it (sometimes tacitly, sometimes explicitly). Explicit egalitarianism can conceal a tacit hierarchicalism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/25 10:54 AM |
| 5 | Why do men need women?Men vary in their wants and needs-for-fulfillment (not necessarily survival). Some (likely most) men genuinely DO want romantic love (which, by definition, includes mutual sexual desire) with women. But they want authentic romantic love, not a situation of being exploited. Some men don't want romantic love with women. Some just want sex. My theory is they're heterosexual but also very strongly auto-homosexual - they're attracted to women but also to the idea of being a hot, desirable man, and th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/25 04:09 AM |
| – | Many of women's sexual instincts were meant for concubinesBut that's evidence for my point - the harem is not an institution that "fits" women's natural sexual behavior. It is an institution that involves compromises for women - they get something they want (the hot, powerful man) but lose out on something else they want (that man's exclusive commitment). Hence, you can't say harems are "naturally suited" to women. They're a compromise... just as monogamous marriage is a compromise. You can't say either of these things are somehow ordained by nature. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/25 04:24 AM |
| – | Many of women's sexual instincts were meant for concubinesThen how do you explain the fact that, in our society, it is women who fetishize exclusivity, commitment and the idea of monopolizing the man (look at romance novels, look at the bullshit sold to teenage girls via boy bands and the like)? Women are ruthless intrasexual competitors (see Queen Bees and Wannabes, Warriors and Worriers for examples). If women were "naturally suited" to harems, feminine jealousy and possessiveness wouldn't be nearly as intense. Even today, when we're allegedly return… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/25 04:09 AM |
| – | Many of women's sexual instincts were meant for concubinesAre you speaking biologically, or culturally? Biology operates on a much longer timescale than culture, so I can see a case for a cultural influence but not a biological one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/25 03:51 AM |
| – | Many of women's sexual instincts were meant for concubineshttps://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1p60023/comment/nqn0j58/?context=3 I address your theory in the link above. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/25 03:43 AM |
| 5 | We just launched a national biker-based Equal Parenting organization (REP), here’s what we’re doing for fathersI'm not in the US nor am I a motorcyclist, but I'm very happy to see members of the motorcyclist community offer support for equal parenting. Thank you! My country used to have a rebuttable presumption of equal parenting as part of our divorce law. That got abolished by feminist reforms who basically want to enable parental alienation and the kind of horrible things that the US suffers from in its family court system. | /r/MensRights | 25/11/25 01:50 AM |
| 18 | Is Working a Blue Collar Job a Death Sentence for Male Datinf?At the moment, yes. The short explanation is classism and the fact this generation has essentially been raised to believe anyone who doesn't get a college degree is a loser whom is "going nowhere in life." This is, as you correctly note, untrue, and there's a huge Elite Overproduction/Credential Inflation problem across the entire West as a result of the Boomer college-fetish mentality. This is pushing down the wage premium, and blue collar work is becoming more lucrative in part because of unde… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/25 01:43 AM |
| 3 | Is feminism a communist construct?Individualist and Classically Liberal form/s of feminism are not influenced by Marxist theory. Believing that any particular group is oppressed in some way is not sufficient to make a belief system Marxist or inspired-by-Marxism. I mean, the American Revolution was driven by rage against oppression against the colonists by the British government, but that was hardly a Marxist revolution. | /r/MensRights | 24/11/25 08:49 AM |
| 20 | Is feminism a communist construct?There are some schools of feminism which are outright Marxist (i.e. believe that women's issues are a byproduct of the capitalist class's oppression of the working class). There are also many other schools of feminism which take some ideas from Marxist theory (most typically the idea that there's an oppressor-oppressed dynamic reinforced by a cultural hegemony), albeit in different directions. A few schools of feminism aren't influenced by Marxism, but they're considered Not Feminist Enough by t… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/25 02:58 AM |
| 1 | Nice guys and loser men are just scapegoats for womenThank you. I'll read this thoroughly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/25 01:49 AM |
| 1 | Nice guys and loser men are just scapegoats for womenThat's interesting, because SBC is the man who initially suggested the "extreme male brain" theory of autism. Do you have a citation or link to the study? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/25 01:39 AM |
| 4 | Nice guys and loser men are just scapegoats for womenYou're misinterpreting the science you talk about. The research you discuss is about prenatal hormone exposure to the brain. Gay male adults generally have comparable hormone levels to straight men (you can't make a gay man straight by giving him testosterone - this has already been tried and it has failed). What made them gay is that in the uterus their fetuses were exposed to excess estrogen and/or not enough testosterone, resulting in a neuroatypicality that causes androphilia (among other th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/25 10:38 PM |
| 0 | Nice guys and loser men are just scapegoats for womenTrump is pro-same-sex-marriage (has been so since 2000 at the latest) and appointed the highest-ranking gay cabinet official in US history (Scott Bessent). "Trumpian" is not a synonym for "homophobic." Is the idea that gay comes from having estrogen wrong? Yes, unless you're talking about prenatal hormone exposure. But that's a scientific question, NOT an excuse for partisan political mudslinging. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/25 10:32 PM |
| 2 | Straight men are better off allowing 4B and political lesbianism to take over the feminist movementHere's the problem: What you're talking about has essentially already happened, although not necessarily under the guise of feminism (although that has happened). Rather, it has happened under the guises of "trans" and "queer" - a lot of people in both categories (typically those who identify as some variety of genderqueer but don't have Gender Dysphoria) are really just counterculture straights who are in the process of appropriating and colonizing sexual minority cultures and spaces. So many p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/25 10:27 PM |
| – | Where does this idea that looks don't matter really come from?I've had exactly the same experience. Most RP/BP stuff, framed in a gynocentric/female-flattering manner that puts the onus on men to make themselves "worthy of women" will be eagerly approved of by women. And this just proves that the majority of women's objections to RP/BP aren't about sexism (I do think some RP ideas do cross the line into actual sexism, so SOME proportion of the objections are about the sexism) but about how RP/BP is androcentric... it is written for men and to help men act … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/25 10:07 AM |
| 3 | Women's repulsion of weakness, while more subtle, is as "shitty" as men's objectifying tendencies.autistic people are way more likely to end up with other autistic people. That doesn't contradict anything I said. And the statistics on the sexual prospects of males with autism are very, very telling. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/25 09:55 AM |
| 3 | Women's repulsion of weakness, while more subtle, is as "shitty" as men's objectifying tendencies.In theory sure, but even most neurodivergent women prefer normie men, and neurotypical males will often date neurodivergent females but not the inverse. In addition, there are likely differences between the rate/s that the sexes experience certain neurodivergences... biological psychopathy and autism spectrum seem to be more common among males for example. Not sure about ADHD though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/25 09:47 AM |
| – | Men being sexual predators, ladies men, and losers is all a part of the same source. And society perpetuates this.Healthy, kind women won’t be cruel if they’re not interested. I agree, but I think healthy, kind women are perhaps a bit less common than you presume. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/25 06:53 AM |
| 2 | Women's repulsion of weakness, while more subtle, is as "shitty" as men's objectifying tendencies.Depends on the version, I'm sure. Plenty of depictions of Dracula make him a hot, tragic, brooding byronic figure. Either way, averages and typicalities still exist. Let's say you're totally right about you and your friends (I have no reason to believe otherwise). They're not representative of average neurotypical opposite-sex-attracted human females. It's okay (perhaps even better than okay) to not be a normie, but the existence of non-normies doesn't disprove or invalidate the fact norms/avera… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/25 11:51 PM |
| 3 | Women's repulsion of weakness, while more subtle, is as "shitty" as men's objectifying tendencies.But that’s the thing the realm of “women’s romance novels” branches into gothic horror and period melodrama. The guy who is presented as the romantic lead is rarely this super muscly superhero type that men admire. A simple google search shows piles and piles of very, very muscular male bodies adorning the covers of romance novels for women. Sure, they're typically a BIT less jacked than Hemsworth's Thor, and the faces tend toward "handsome" rather than "rugged," but they're all clearly very buf… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/25 12:30 PM |
| 3 | Women's repulsion of weakness, while more subtle, is as "shitty" as men's objectifying tendencies.I'm aware that this happens - we can see it in the difference between what gay men find hot and what straight women find hot (there's a notable difference between gay porn and hetero romance novels, which are straight women's equivalent). At the same time, a lot of women do pretend to have far less traditionalist erotic preferences than they actually do. Probably due to Social Desirability Bias and a desire to "make women look good." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/25 12:15 PM |
| 1 | Women's repulsion of weakness, while more subtle, is as "shitty" as men's objectifying tendencies.I don’t know any women that lust after Chris Hemsworth etc. Either you have no women friends, very few women friends or very atypical women friends, then. Not that there's anything wrong with that (indeed, Redditors tend to be at least a bit weird and weird people tend to make friends with other weird people). But your own circle of friends clearly isn't a case of "good sampling." Whereas I see women lusting after Nosferatu and Frankenstein’s Monster lol. Yes yes, we know monster-fuckers exist. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/25 12:08 PM |
| 3 | Women's repulsion of weakness, while more subtle, is as "shitty" as men's objectifying tendencies.Now you're just engaging in gender-partisanship and evading the issue. I don’t buy that it’s innate, you have no evidence of that. It can just as easily be cultural based on the data you’ve described, which is why there is heterogeneity between cultures. The degree varies, but the direction (more height = more money and more sexual success) does not. This suggests an underlying biological tendency which is culturally either exacerbated or suppressed to varying degrees. The fact is, men are much … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/25 11:56 AM |
| 1 | Women's repulsion of weakness, while more subtle, is as "shitty" as men's objectifying tendencies.I’ve no doubt that short men are treated badly by society, although I think a lot of that bad treatment comes from other men as much as it does from women. Where did I, or the study, suggest otherwise? I'm quite aware that women aren't the sole perpetrators of heightism. And to be clear, I think that lookism (of which heightism is a subcategory) is innate to the sexuality of most humans. We can't eliminate sexual lookism or heightism, we can only push back against prejudice about someone's chara… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/25 11:27 AM |
| 2 | Women's repulsion of weakness, while more subtle, is as "shitty" as men's objectifying tendencies.The meta-analysis still showed that the general trend exists and holds across multiple cultures, and is stronger for men than women. The generality is valid in spite of variation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/25 11:16 AM |
| 1 | Women's repulsion of weakness, while more subtle, is as "shitty" as men's objectifying tendencies.Height Premium: The height premium: A systematic review and meta-analysis - ScienceDirect Tall Men Get More Sex: Tall men have more reproductive success | Nature These facts suggest that, to the extent short men are bitter, they have experienced life circumstances that make them that way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/25 10:59 AM |
| 1 | Women's repulsion of weakness, while more subtle, is as "shitty" as men's objectifying tendencies.u/pop442 was generalizing, but not overgeneralizing. There is quite extensive literature showing that, on average, everything he says is correct. Taller men get casual sex much more easily than shorter men, ceteris paribus. This doesn't mean you are invalid or wrong. It merely means your tastes and preferences aren't those of the average/typical woman. There's nothing wrong or bad about that. But "I'm not like that" isn't evidence against a general trend existing. I think if short guys struggle … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/25 08:43 AM |
| 1 | CMV: common fantasies of the opposite sex ≠ unspoken truthsThe more you guys defend pedo behavior How on earth is dating a legal adult "pedo behavior"? Last I checked, "pedo behavior" refers to things like raping a kid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/25 07:45 AM |
| 2 | CMV: common fantasies of the opposite sex ≠ unspoken truthsWhat is said out loud: "Pfft, nah we don't find kids sexy" And yet: OF girls making millions on their 18th birthday, loli anime, etc 18 year olds aren't kids, and most men aren't into loli. Men do, in general, tend to find youth in females sexy. But the kind of youth most gynophilic men like is "young woman" youth (roughly late-adolescent and up), not "little girl" youth (pedo, loli, etc). As for your example with women, I absolutely agree that rape fantasies aren't proof that women "really want… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/25 07:35 AM |
| 3 | The world does not cater to male sexuality.True. Alternatively, it might be just that women are culturally permitted to be very critical of male sexuality in general but the vice-versa is forbidden. Hence female doms and female subs complaining about their male counterparts at elevated rates. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/25 07:39 AM |
| 3 | Would you date a bi man?As long as you apply that standard in a gender-neutral fashion, I basically agree. Unfortunately, our society currently (not you personally) doesn't apply such a standard gender-neutrally. It sees women's preferences as empowering, men's preferences as oppressive (the manosphere doesn't disprove this allegation, as I'm talking about mainstream society and the manosphere is a counterculture). I oppose this double standard and think both sexes' should be allowed their preferences even if they're s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/25 03:48 AM |
| – | It's better to cheat than to work on a deadbedroom if you are a man.I'm tempted to agree, except a divorce can be very costly for a man. So 100% chance of divorce (if he does nothing) vs. a <100% chance of divorce if he cheats (I have no idea if this is true, I'm just entertaining OP's hypothetical). Presuming no difference in the economic impact of divorce between no-fault-divorce and divorce-in-response-to-infidelity, in that situation the expected loss from cheating is lower than the expected loss from doing nothing. Honestly this is a reason why we need to r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/25 03:33 AM |
| 2 | Would you date a bi man?We all know the answer to this question is that some women will date bi men, but the majority of women (at least in the West) will decline to do so, even if they're bi themselves. And everyone is entitled to like what they like and date who they want to date. Sexual attraction can't be negotiated. But it is funny seeing people who claim to be "anti-gender-roles" tie themselves up in knots when they personally embrace an extremely traditionalist and even-arguably-homophobic/biphobic position on t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/25 03:10 AM |
| 3 | Q4M: what makes a woman not marriage material?Psychiatry has a huge history of sexist diagnoses Correct, but that doesn't mean it is still sexist. Especially when it is mostly women getting PhDs in the psych fields. Men aren’t bigger sufferers of Autism than women, they just often more easily get diagnosed (again due to medical sexism) whilst women get diagnosed with BPD or bipolar or any number of other things. Disagree entirely. Especially when autism is neurological, likely caused by an overexposure of the brain to prenatal androgens and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 11:09 PM |
| 1 | The world does not cater to male sexuality.On that, we agree. Presuming by "equality" you mean equal treatment/the-same-rules-for-everyone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 10:59 PM |
| 1 | The world does not cater to male sexuality.I never said society doesn't have an impact. I merely said biology has an impact, too. And if biology has an impact (which you've conceded), sex/gender equity (equal outcomes) is impossible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 10:55 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: what makes a woman not marriage material?And this movement is entirely driven by radfems whom are INCENSED that BPD/HPD makes females "look bad" (despite the fact that the claim that BPD/HPD are sexist notions inherently presupposes some sort of innate sex difference). Oh, and jealous that males are bigger sufferers of autism spectrum disorders than females are. How dare those men suffer worse in ONE way! No one ever wanted to change the definition of sociopathy because of the overrepresentation of males. This push to abolish the notio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 10:53 PM |
| 2 | The world does not cater to male sexuality.You go looking for differences between men and women you might find some, but are they actually two distinct groups of people or is it just a spectrum of behaviour across all humans? I said it before, but let me say it again. I reject gender essentialism. My proposition is that there is indeed a spectrum, but males on average are distributed differently across the spectrum compared to females. And since our development alters neurological development, how can you tease out what is innate and wha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 10:47 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: what makes a woman not marriage material?Not always, and even if they are, that doesn't make the personality unpathological. "Pathological" doesn't mean "this person is morally evil." Having a personality that is broken in some way isn't a moral defect - there's no contradiction between "you have this personality disorder" (a diagnostic claim) and "this is what CAUSED your personality disorder" (an etiological claim). Also, what you're proposing just collapses the various personality disorders into a broader category of PTSD. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 10:12 PM |
| 1 | The world does not cater to male sexuality."Science that confirms a result I wish weren't true" isn't the same thing as "pseudoscience." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 10:09 PM |
| 1 | How is a man the 'leader' in a relationship?I don't support tradcon-ism, but if we're going to use a corporate governance metaphor, that makes the woman the CEO and the man the Chairman of the Board. She's the head manager but the direction of the company is still (at least in theory) set by the CoB. In real life, both in explicit corporate settings and families (even traditional ones), the power dynamic is often far less lopsided than it is in theory. You're correct in recognizing that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 10:07 PM |
| 3 | The world does not cater to male sexuality.Then a lot of female submissives are absolutely violating kink etiquette and getting away with it. I will also make it clear, as someone with experience in the male/male fetish scene, there is no concern there about "you're objectifying me by turning me into a kink dispenser." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 09:51 PM |
| 1 | The world does not cater to male sexuality.Then you're basically in denial of the extensive scientific literature we have built up on the subject across the course of decades. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 09:47 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: what makes a woman not marriage material?And it's not a good argument, full stop. If certain personalities are "pathological" (yes, a personality by definition cannot be LITERALLY pathological but it can be dysfunctional, maladaptive or whatever other term you like), they're pathological, even if certain pathological personalities are more common in one sex than the other. Oh, and if Histrionic and Borderline is just "normal/normative female behavior" and consequently it is sexist to treat it as a disorder, doesn't that end up dependin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 09:46 PM |
| 2 | The world does not cater to male sexuality.Yeah but I’ve tried engaging with men who claim to be submissive as a fem dom, and so many of them still make it about fulfilling their fantasy and just want the woman to fulfil a role to them That is, in many ways, what most subs actually are like. They have a specific fantasy they want the dom to fulfil. Actually, huge numbers of female subs are like this. They want to be loved, pampered, cherished, catered to, indulged etc. Nothing wrong with that, but they want to be the object of desire. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 09:42 PM |
| 1 | The world does not cater to male sexuality.I'm talking about biological sex. Yes, prescriptive social norms are by definition socially constructed, but the simple reality is biological differences between the sexes do in fact influence behaviors on average. This is well-replicated social science. And no, this is not "gender essentialism" - there is no form or essence of masculinity or femininity. However, there ARE traits more commonly found (or found, on average, in larger amounts) in men or women. We can use these facts as the basis fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 09:35 PM |
| 2 | Q4M: what makes a woman not marriage material?Histrionic personality disorder is part of Cluster B and is disproportionately (but not exclusively) found in women. Men are more likely to be antisocial, which is also part of Cluster B. However, no one thinks that is somehow bigoted against men and no one thinks that means the diagnostic criteria need to be rewritten. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 09:28 PM |
| 2 | The world does not cater to male sexuality.I think that’s the point isn’t it. It’s not just about sex drive. Men view getting sex as inherently gender affirming, as important for their masculinity, and ultimately as a competition with other men. That’s the toxic and unhealthy relationship with sex. You're being gynonormative (i.e. assuming the typically-feminine is the correct and authentically human way, and the typically-masculine is a socially-constructed deviation). And in my experience, both men and women actually see sexual success… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 09:19 PM |
| 2 | The world does not cater to male sexuality.Plenty of men absolutely ARE happy to be sexually objectified or submissive. Indeed, studies have shown men actually have roughly as many fantasies where they're the object-of-desire (i.e. woman chasing them, woman initiating, woman "objectifying" them) as they do fantasies about being the actor/initiator. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 09:13 PM |
| 3 | 4 Types Of Men Over 30You have no evidence that the men referring to other human beings as "used goods" are the ones whom are lonely. I've heard atrociously sexist rhetoric from men whom are handsome, popular and sexually successful. In addition, you can't "just tell" what someone says on the internet, particularly in the short-term-hookup-market (which, due to the brief nature of the transaction, is especially vulnerable to failures-of-vetting). The reality is that sex is not distributed according to any abstract no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 08:58 PM |
| 2 | Do men genuinely want to return to traditional gender roles ?Men don't want to fight other men for their liberation because men are lazy and want women to fight their battles for them. Bullshit. When men try to organize on the basis of sex, we get picketed by feminists. I went to an International Conference on Men's Issues, I know what happens. We know what happened to Dr Warren Farrell at the University of Toronto, too When the feminist movement claims to be THE gender equality movement and systematically monopolizes the discourse and builds a large inst… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/25 08:26 PM |
| 1 | An unspoken flaw in the feminist movementWhat do you mean exactly? | /r/MensRights | 14/11/25 12:52 AM |
| 5 | if men dislike high maintenance women then how come they are still pursuing them?u/loudpiece6914 said he tried to FUCK them, not DATE them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/25 11:27 PM |
| 0 | Do men genuinely want to return to traditional gender roles ?No one’s stopping you from doing whatever hobby you want or having a man cave in your own home so what’s your point? You know what? I was going to rant but I'm going to keep calm. I really hate this "no one stops you, so there" argument. It is so UTTERLY disingenuous, especially because in discussions about GENDER, much of which is NOT enforced by the state, we should all be on board with the following statement: "Societies regulate themselves in different ways, not all of them coercive/violent,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/25 11:22 PM |
| 16 | I made Chat GPT understand and explain something that is completely missing in society and most people seem to be confused about. The confusion about D.E.I lies in what people think ''fairness'' means.I agree with what you said, but here's the thing: everyone knows this already. Even DEI proponents. DEI proponents don't believe in equality or equal opportunity, they believe in EQUITY OF OUTCOMES at the GROUP LEVEL. They're explicit about this. They know, 100%, what they are doing is inconsistent with both equality and the notion of fairness you discuss. Advocates of DEI know exactly what they're doing. | /r/MensRights | 11/11/25 05:35 AM |
| 3 | What do you mean by respect ?Not a woman, but I understand where both sides are coming from here. Your experiences in the military are valid and reported commonly. But a key thing your brought up is the de-individualization ("we were one body, his voice was giving the orders but his voice could've been mine"). That kind of "softens" the submission aspect in a way, because if you don't have a fully operating sense of the individual will, you don't experience as much reactance (i.e. rage at being controlled) when another will… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/25 04:39 AM |
| -5 | Do men genuinely want to return to traditional gender roles ?why does it require wanting a woman to "let" you be it? Both men and women need to accept two things: The other sex has some innate behavioral tendencies and preferences that, as a statistical aggregate, differ from their own sex, and Each sex needs to tolerate this about the other sex. The reality (in contemporary Western societies) is that, for the most part, men live up to this bargain, but women don't. Hence the wars on male spaces, male hobbies, naturally-more-common-in-males-than-females b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/25 04:01 AM |
| 17 | Do men genuinely want to return to traditional gender roles ?I don't. I'm a sexual minority and often visibly sex-stereotype nonconforming. There is nothing for me in traditionalism. I just want the same liberation that women have received, and don't you dare gaslight me into pretending that men aren't chained to traditional roles today. And don't pretend the chainers are exclusively other men either. What we have today is post-feminist pseudo-traditionalism, or liberation for women but traditionalism for men. And this state of affairs is kept in existenc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/25 03:54 AM |
| 2 | This sub is an objectively bad example of what average men are like in real life because there’s over-representation of autistic/socially incompetent men hereI have to say that you have a very nuanced view Thank you. I appreciate that, and your ongoing intellectual honesty in this discussion. I still think most of us on this sub reddit only have a problem with those who blame women Do you accept a distinction between blaming women and simply bemoaning a sad natural state of affairs? In my experience in pill spaces, the argument is that the vast majority of opposite-sex-attracted women just have a natural set of unavoidable inclinations. But this isn'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/25 03:25 AM |
| 7 | Do you believe your life holds value simply because you exist?Correct. That is how I see value, ultimately. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/25 05:08 AM |
| 17 | Do you believe your life holds value simply because you exist?Value requires a valuer, so the concept of intrinsic value that exists as if it were a physical stuff just makes no sense to me. I always think in terms of value to whom/for what. Some people here speak in terms of existential crisis/"my life is useless (unless I propagate my genes)"/etc but, well, I never had existential crises of that kind. What matters to me matters to me and my happiness and wellbeing matters to me. Whether I matter to "the universe" or "god" (the latter I don't even believe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/25 04:52 AM |
| 3 | Most feminists say they want equal rights, but also vote for the welfare stateA basic income guarantee (as a REPLACEMENT for traditional welfare), likely provided via a Negative Income Tax, would provide a safety net whilst also being the least "behavior-distortionary" welfare system available. You could argue that in the situation we're in, where social norms permit women to just not work and be supported by men, gives women "unofficial welfare" via social pressure. But surely the solution to THAT is to get rid of the social norm in favor of feminine mooching. Note that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/25 04:29 AM |
| 2 | Most feminists say they want equal rights, but also vote for the welfare stateThe problem with that standard is that people often disagree on what traits are virtuous or vicious, and what behaviors are positive and negative. And I certainly don't disagree that some behaviors are good and others are bad. But there's also a public/private distinction - personal vices, victimless crimes etc. Your logic can lead to very puritanical, Moral-Majority-style places if you aren't very careful. Which is why I prefer a Welfare Economics paradigm or some sort of Mill-esque Harm Princi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/25 04:06 AM |
| 1 | Most feminists say they want equal rights, but also vote for the welfare stateThank you. That said, I would appreciate if you could give me a specific answer to this question: "by "bad for society" what metric are you using here? What standard? Are you using something that's at least somewhat objective and impartial like Welfare Economics, or are you using criteria based on personal value judgments?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/25 03:46 AM |
| 1 | Most feminists say they want equal rights, but also vote for the welfare stateAre my tax dollars funding something which I, or my loved ones, could conceivably benefit from as responsible functional members of society? The answer is yes to many things like public schooling and healthcare. I am less inclined to support drug addicts and the children of deadbeat criminals, as they simply aren't responsible members of society. That's perfectly defensible (although I'd suggest the benefits we currently get from those things are less than many think). That said, I will suggest … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/25 03:18 AM |
| 12 | Men should always do the bear minimumI'm going to read you charitably. Presumably you're saying "don't simp, because that buys fake attraction, and what you want is a woman who experiences sincere attraction to you" correct? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/25 03:01 AM |
| -1 | Most feminists say they want equal rights, but also vote for the welfare stateI'm a libertarian so I'm quite critical of the welfare state, but the logic you're relying on... the "disparate impact" argument... is quite dangerous. Is a group being subjected to unequal treatment if a law change that doesn't actually single out that group/identify that group/classify on the basis of membership in that group causes a disproportionate cost on that group? Such an argument is literally the basis for "woke" applications of civil rights laws. Also, as a matter of fact, tax and wel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/25 02:44 AM |
| 2 | How do we feel about the tradwife movement?Individual choice is what matters. If a couple knowingly and willingly decide to be "trad" (however they define it), that's their choice. Their family is their "firm" so they arrange the affairs of it. But it doesn't work for everyone, and in the current day (with labor saving devices etc.) the closest thing to a "trad" lifestyle that DOESN'T eschew technology (and for the life of me I see no reason why someone would deliberately choose to eschew such technology) is basically an easy "soft girl … | /r/MensRights | 09/11/25 02:07 AM |
| 4 | How do we feel about the tradwife movement?Heteronormative men/women tend to always act around a normal distribution. Sure. In that case, widescale social coercion, shaming and condemnation is NOT NECESSARY to make most people be mostly trad. The problem is not any particular lifestyle. The problem is that societal norms have, for a very long time, prescribed a very narrow and specific and demanding set of lifestyle expectations upon people, even those who are not suited for such a lifestyle. Why not just let people choose what they like… | /r/MensRights | 09/11/25 01:56 AM |
| 2 | The hatred for womens romance novels is insanely stupid and hypocritical.First, I agree entirely with your analysis of 50 Shades and romance novels in general. They're feminine power fantasies, not "proof" that "women want to be forced into submission" or anything along those lines. But here's the thing: we don't have some extreme hate for women's romance novels. What criticism of women's romance novels (and other smut) is about is PROVING FEMALE SEXUALITY IS NO MORE PURE/MORAL/WHOLESOME THAN MALE SEXUALITY. The reigning cultural narrative is male sexuality is vile/b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/25 09:58 PM |
| 5 | Men hate women who like bad men but don't care about those bad men. And that means they hate women not for "bad choices" but for not choosing them.Men always want rewards and pats on the head for being a basically decent human being. Everyone wants that, and most societies encourage social norms to reward pro-social conduct because they know doing so is good in the long run. A society which doesn't penalize anti-social conduct or reward pro-social conduct gets much more of the former and much less of the latter. You’re not a good person if your good behavior is dependent on recognition for it. You say this as if it were a self-evident trut… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/25 02:58 AM |
| 1 | Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternativeYes, that's precisely the kind of argument that will attract support from men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/25 08:46 PM |
| 1 | Being evil is not a factor when it comes to not being able to find a girlfriendKarla Homolka? She was the pick-axe killer right? Who said she had orgasms as she swung the pick-axe? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/25 10:41 AM |
| 2 | “Personally” is not a synonym for “nice meek pushover”I'm glad to hear we mostly agree. The intersection of social biases and behavior is an interest of mine, and you sound like you’d be fun to talk to about the topic. Maybe I should join the PPD discord then, but frankly I'm scared of feminists + offended women trying to doxx me. No offense to you. But it has happened before and I need to be super careful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/25 06:59 AM |
| 10 | “Personally” is not a synonym for “nice meek pushover”This comment makes it sound like all women are in on a communal secret that they are intentionally obfuscating for the purposes of confusing men. I never said that. My theory suggest it is subconscious, evolved and basically a reflex normies/neurotypicals feel towards 'spergs. That doesn’t hold up when you look at the totality of discussion here. On PPD? PPD is full of weirdos. My theory is about the relation between neurotypical society and higher-regions-of-the-autism-spectrum society. Women (… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/25 01:45 AM |
| 1 | Women Keep Changing the Meaning of Psychology Terms to Avoid Self-Reflection...Or maybe there actually are gaslighters and narcissists and emotionally unintelligent people out there. True Nobody calls a man a narcissist just because he "disagreed with a woman" Untrue Sometimes people use these terms wrong, yes, but that's not a woman thing, it's a human thing. True, but females are socially enabled to manipulate these terms to their benefit whereas males are diagnosed and controlled by these terms. Manipulative misuse of therapy-speak is theoretically gender-neutral but… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/25 09:54 PM |
| 21 | “Personally” is not a synonym for “nice meek pushover”This is the issue. The obfuscation. The doublespeak. The "diplomatic" "understated" "polite" language. It is all about creating a filter/screening mechanism to get the 'spergs out of the dating pool without causing the 'spergs to be angry about it. Just be fucking honest and accept the inevitable anger. Doing so would make all modern "dating woes" issues from men GO AWAY. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/25 09:44 PM |
| 2 | Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternativeEthics are about feelings. We hold certain beliefs and principles and if we act against them, we feel bad. By that logic, you could always say you are acting based on your self interests. Please clarify - are you endorsing psychological egoism, then? As a positive theory of political action? Because that isn't really different, in practice, from Public Choice. I'm confused at where our disagreement is, or if it is significant. So to clarify: me: ethical principles + self interest + environment -… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/25 01:46 AM |
| 2 | Being funny is not attractive to womenI'd agree to an extent. The kind of verbally-adroit socially-acceptable wittiness that doesn't cross any boundaries of "propriety" is seen as an indicator of general social adroitness, which IS something women like. But edgelord humor is seen as a "no" and physical ugliness is kind of a trump card. Do women greatly overstate how much they "want a guy that makes them laugh"? Oh yeah. Or more accurately they redact several parts of the FULL quote, which is "I want a physically-handsome guy that ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/25 01:02 AM |
| 2 | Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternativeYou're right that debating the philosophy of egoism is off topic. To clarify, what you're contesting is my suggestion that Public Choice Theory - which states political actors operate according to their own self-interest as they understand it - is inaccurate because people will vote for things like extra healthcare etc, right? If I'm correct in understanding your argument, let's go from there. Firstly, an important clarification: the PCT argument must be understood through another point in econo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/25 12:47 AM |
| 2 | Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternativeWhat we disagree on is that I don’t perceive rule egoism as following your self interests. Then your perception is wrong. When actual egoists are almost all promoting variants of rule egoism, you're simply inaccurate in your understanding of what egoism means. And we know why. As perhaps recent times' most infamous egoist philosopher, Ayn Rand, correctly surmised, enemies of egoism benefitted from mischaracterizing the philosophy as supportive of mindless brutes trampling over piles of corpses t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 11:03 PM |
| 6 | Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternativebut do you genuienly believe a significant portion of activists doesn’t believe in their cause? They either don't believe it OR they fall prey to the bias I talked about before - they're motivated to believe in things that justify/serve their interests. Note that "significant portion" doesn't mean a majority. Self interest at a “principle level” the way you describe it is exactly what I’m talking about and not something I would even describe as self interest. For example believing in equality ev… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 09:57 PM |
| 3 | Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternativeJesuits are Catholic. The Society of Jesus is part of the RCC. Also, just because feminism isn't a monolith doesn't mean we can't talk about the most common or most institutionally powerful forms of feminism in particular. And the most institutionally powerful forms of feminism - the ones that write most of the policy, staff the women's studies departments, etc, are of the misandrist variety. Certainly in my country and the rest of the Anglosphere as a whole. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 12:21 PM |
| 7 | Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternativeI do agree that self interest does play a big role in political beliefs, but I would not say it’s the sole determining factor of political beliefs. Agreed. How do you explain climate activism for example? If nothing is done for climate/environment protection, nothing bad likely happens within our lifetime, yet many still advocate for it (even people without children or those who don’t want them). A lot of climate activism is driven by a Bootleggers & Baptists dynamic between renewable energy fir… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 10:17 AM |
| 2 | People who obsess about men "objectifying women" or "feeling a sense of ownership" over them are overexaggerating things on a semantic level.It may be true that it is quite normal for men to objectify women sexually That's not what I said. I said it is WRONG and UNFAIR (and deeply gynocentric/gynonormative) to equate normal human male sexuality with sexual objectification. A man's attention to you, even if focused on a specific body part, does not necessarily rise to anything that Nussbaum classified as "objectification." Read the article - its free online. It can be heartbreaking to believe in romantic ideas of being in love with a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 09:48 AM |
| 13 | Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternativeYes I apply this to any political cause. Is seems crazy to me that you don’t understand this concept. For example, imagine you can kill a person and steal all of their belongings (they are rich) and somehow you have a guarantee noone will ever find out about it? Would you do it? You don’t even have to make the scenario that extreme and just restrict it to nonviolent stealing. I think you're making two errors. First, you're context-dropping by taking a Glaucon's Challenge argument (your theft exa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 09:34 AM |
| 24 | Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternativeYou should support feminism because you think that’s the right thing to do and believe in equal rights, not because feminists give you some reward for believing in it…Does every moral principle you believe in have to give you some reward? Would you apply this reasoning to any other political cause? Because in practice we know how coalition politics works. Every subgroup within the coalition has to get something for themselves in order to hold the coalition together. And in practice, we do that. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 09:04 AM |
| 24 | Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternativeAs i remember the feminists fought for men to have a say in custody of a child instead of the woman getting custody of the child as a default. In some countries this may have happened. In mine, feminist lobbyists were instrumental in reversing a law which established a rebuttable presumption in favor of shared parenting in the event of family breakup. And I know such laws are often opposed by feminists in the USA (there may be exceptions). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 09:02 AM |
| 6 | People who obsess about men "objectifying women" or "feeling a sense of ownership" over them are overexaggerating things on a semantic level.Seems like you don’t really understand what women usually mean with these terms. I can't speak for OP, but I read Martha Nussbaum's article on the subject when I studied feminist philosophy in college. The concept is derived from the philosophy of Immanuel Kant, who argued that one must never treat others as a "means to an end" but rather only as "ends in themselves." But what does this mean in real life? The reality is that this is a very vague formulation, however if we take Kant's own behavio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 08:52 AM |
| 6 | Single moms are a negative for a man, and only widows should get an exemption.This argument is laying out a rational case for why he thinks single moms are bad people, though, I can understand if you think I'm being too charitable to his argument, but from what I read, he's saying that single mothers are unlikely to bring, to HIS life, more benefits than costs. That's not the same thing as a deontological condemnation of the character of all single mothers. It is an egoistic, consequentialist argument based on a pretty simple cost-benefit analysis from the perspective of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 08:07 AM |
| 4 | Its contradictory to believe “innocent until proven guilty” should apply OUTSIDE of a courtroom for sex crime accusations, while also thinking women should “pick better” if they end up in an abusive relationship.Here's a question though: How many people here actually believe all women who are abused ignored clear red flags and thus basically were highly negligent? In my experience of this forum, most people who argue something like this are actually not saying "women deserve to be abused" outright. They're performing a reductio ad absurdum against an argument that some women often make on this forum... the "women can just TELL you're a horrible misogynist!" argument. If women have a built in misogyny-de… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 07:54 AM |
| 8 | Bisexuality should be considered a privilege rather than a handicapAs a bi dude myself, its entirely sex-dependent even in western nations. Bi women are seen as extra hot and more adventurous and spicy. Bi men are seen as either gays-in-denial or an STD vector. Some gays are outright biphobic, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 07:42 AM |
| 1 | Bisexuality should be considered a privilege rather than a handicapBisexuality is a meme, most bisexuals end up in straight relationships. That's because some bi-identifying women are faking it for social clout, and the rest know it is easier to date men than women. Meanwhile, bi men are forced to "pick a side" by both the gay world and the fact women will generally not fuck bi dudes. So for many of them it is more convenient to date women particularly in socially conservative areas (this flips in areas that are more accepting of sexual minorities - hence why w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 07:39 AM |
| 6 | Bisexuality should be considered a privilege rather than a handicapMaybe it’s natures way of telling us don’t waste any resources there As long as you're willing to tolerate men's visceral icks, men should tolerate women's, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 07:34 AM |
| 4 | Bisexuality should be considered a privilege rather than a handicapSeems like more a visceral disgust. As a fellow bi dude, both are clearly relevant. The visceral disgust is just the visceral "ick" the majority of neurotypical women experience when seeing perceived-unmanliness in their male partners. But the "I want to monopolize his sex life" thing can easily be a rational response, too, for economic reasons (i.e. extract more resources out of him). But maybe the "sexual monopolization" aspect is (at least in part) visceral/evolved too... she wants his absolu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 07:33 AM |
| 1 | This sub is an objectively bad example of what average men are like in real life because there’s over-representation of autistic/socially incompetent men hereI just tried to say that the original post and everyone else agreeing with it most likely don’t have an issue with autism in men but rather the way they complain about dating on here. Let's say you're correct. Three issues immediately arise - firstly, not all 'spergy men are on Reddit making nasty comments, so their disproportionate failure at romance cannot be explained by the-subset-of-'sperg-men-who-make-nasty-comments-on-Reddit. So we know some of this romantic failure is caused by "the ick"… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 06:48 AM |
| 1 | This sub is an objectively bad example of what average men are like in real life because there’s over-representation of autistic/socially incompetent men hereThis is such a conspiracy theory Not an argument. And I've never alleged anything like "formally organized clandestine collaboration acting in a conscious manner to bring about a certain outcome" (all of which is necessary for a "conspiracy"). Rather, I'm suggesting that there's an evolutionary impulse common among neurotypical women that they love to rationalize. Both sexes have evolutionary impulses. Some of them aren't necessarily positive or pro-social. It’s because many of you blame women f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/25 05:46 AM |
| 2 | This sub is an objectively bad example of what average men are like in real life because there’s over-representation of autistic/socially incompetent men hereYes, TRP/Blackpill/etc spaces attract men who a disproportionately on the spectrum. ...which just goes to show what you REALLY hate about these spaces isn't the discursive misogyny, or even about 95% of the basic underlying theory... ...what you REALLY hate is men-you'd-like-to-see-removed-from-the-gene-pool learning how to mimic, and thus escape the "just fate" you believe they deserve - social exclusion and humiliation and marginalization and eventually being bred out. I don't know how you pol… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/11/25 10:16 PM |
| 0 | "Deadbeat Dad" vs "Welfare Queen"Welfare Queen is racist, sexist, and misogynist. Evidence, please. No one is saying that all African-American single mothers are welfare cheats. | /r/MensRights | 03/11/25 02:35 AM |
| 3 | House Oversight Committee Targets TeaOnHer But Overlooks Original Tea App and AWDTSG Groups. Let's Push for Full Investigation!You have a good point, but I think (and I'm sure you'd agree) the issue should be rights and equality, so whichever side attacks that deserves anger, and whichever side supports it deserves a reward. We should be incremental/marginalistic. | /r/MensRights | 03/11/25 02:22 AM |
| 1 | The idea reagrding male virginity as failures is painfully wrong, red pillers please stop lying on here.I wish you all of the best in your search. However, and there's nothing wrong with this, your tastes are statistically atypical. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/11/25 10:34 PM |
| 1 | Men need to go their own way until women fix themselves.whereas women in this subreddit go on and on about the different personality factors that are important to them for compatibility, things they would value in a partner Which is hollow and meaningless virtue signaling, because those things don't matter in the SMV (although they do matter in the RMV), and those things only count as a value if the man is also hot on top of that... the guys will straight up say they don't even care, they're not interested. Congratulations, the men are being self-dep… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/11/25 08:56 PM |
| 2 | The idea reagrding male virginity as failures is painfully wrong, red pillers please stop lying on here.That's a complete mischaracterization of my position. But yes, lies (or various forms of deception) are common in the short-term hook-up market, because everyone wants to make themselves appear as hot as possible. This ranges from socially acceptable forms of mimicry/deception such as cosmetics and clothing intended to make one look sexier than one is without these things, to outright verbal misrepresentations of one's character. Indeed, the SMV is more vulnerable to this than the RMV due to the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/11/25 08:26 PM |
| 5 | The idea reagrding male virginity as failures is painfully wrong, red pillers please stop lying on here.Are you being willfully obtuse? "Chad" (aka guys with physical-and-psychological characteristics that are inherently-hot-to-the-vast-majority-of-neurotypical-women), even if he's a virgin at the time, KNOWS TO LIE. There is no male hymen (and even the female hymen is an imperfect determinant of virginity). He LIES because it is IN HIS INTEREST to lie and there's NO WAY TO DISPROVE HIM, particularly in the "heat of the moment." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/11/25 11:04 AM |
| 5 | Men need to go their own way until women fix themselves.When it comes to sexual attraction, everyone's personality is secondary to their looks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/11/25 06:32 AM |
| 1 | Men need to go their own way until women fix themselves.We're mocked for therapy and medication, but magical penises are the real cure? That is clearly not what OP is saying. OP is simply saying that the culture has infantilized women (this is something feminists have been, not unreasonably, arguing for decades). OP is suggesting that therapy (in its current state) is actually perpetuating rather than remedying this infantilization. OP is further saying that infantilized women are not fit for adult, equal relationships (which is clearly true for the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/11/25 04:53 AM |
| 3 | Do you genuinely believe that a "traditional" female role is important and honorable?You're not answering the question though. I'm not a tradcon so I'm not the person being asked. If you're sad that women have a "low bar" in terms of their mythic archetype, I'm more than happy to raise the standards. But expecting more of women results in inequity and other kinds of complaining. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/10/25 04:39 PM |
| -1 | Do you genuinely believe that a "traditional" female role is important and honorable?First, nobody in history has been remembered for being a mother. Mary, mother of Jesus, says hello. I mean fuck, I'm an anti-Christian, but even I can take one look at the largest religious organization on Earth (the Roman Catholic Church) and see an organization that absolutely celebrates a woman for being a mother. Following a traditional feminine role leaves you as a side character, you are not celebrated as men are. We don't learn about the mothers that raised great men, we barely hear about… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/10/25 06:51 AM |
| 2 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalAdults' attraction to minors is not normal. Cry about it. What's your definition of "normal" here? And again, "minors" is a legally-defined category. A minor in one jurisdiction is an adult in another. There is also a lot of scientific evidence that the last stage of the body's development ends exactly at 18 years of age. In every individual or just on average? Last I googled, Tanner Stage 5 ends at on average Seventeen, not Eighteen. So please cite your sources. The fertility of women under 20 … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/25 12:56 PM |
| 1 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalYes, a 30yo man with a 16yo girl is a pedo. A 30yo woman teacher with 16yo boy is a pedo. Not by the definition sexologists use, and if attraction to a 16 year old is pedophilia, why isn't a fellow 16 year old who experiences sexual attraction to another 16 year old a pedophile, too? I agree that there are predatory adults who prey on youth. This is a real issue. But "pedophilia" has a meaning in sexology and in law, and typically the situation you are discussing isn't even LEGALLY called "pedop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/25 12:53 PM |
| 1 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalTell that to France, Germany and Canada. Ephebophilia is defined as an attraction to those whom are post-pubescent adolescents. We used to consider the post-pubescent an adult (biologically they are by the standard definition - sexual maturity) and send them off to war and all that other horrible bullshit. This clearly suggests that the boundaries of what is socially classified as "adolescence" are socially/legally constructed (fitting with the jurisdictional differences we see in real life). In… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/25 12:45 PM |
| 1 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalYou questioned the age of consent a couple of messages ago. That's a misrepresentation. Withdraw that immediately. I endorsed the principle of the age of consent. What I said is that where this age is set is a matter of policy deliberation and it differs between jurisdictions. It is 16 in Canada. Is Canada a "pedophile" nation? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/25 12:37 PM |
| 1 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalI don't like Barely Legal porn myself, I don't consume it. But it should be legal, ephebophilia is not pedophilia, and an attraction to young women is not an attraction to little girls. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/25 12:34 PM |
| 2 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalIf you were assaulted when you were underage, you have my sincerest condolences. But "Barely Legal" porn is not responsible for your assault. Your assaulter is responsible for your assault. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/25 12:21 PM |
| 5 | Feminism is not bad for women in any way shape or formPlease define "feminism" and what part/s or kind/s of feminism you're talking about. If you mean "the current set of social norms and expectations that presently dominate the SMV/RMV in the post-1970s Western world" I'd agree with you that these are all set up in a gynocentric/female-benefitting fashion. Although this actually validates the TRPer charge that in the contemporary West, females are the privileged sex. On the other hand, there are some forms of feminist ideology that clearly impose … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 11:11 AM |
| 2 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalBecause there needs to be an age of consent and that's the one we chose for everything else. That's simply false. In the US, the drinking and gambling age is 21. The sexual consent age varies across the entire world (in some places, like France, it is set at 14, which frankly I find rather creepy). And the sexual consent age varies between the US states too (ranging from 16 to 18 depending on the state). We absolutely need an age of consent, and I think you'd agree it should be a unified one (am… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 10:06 AM |
| 1 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalThere should never ever be people counting down to a girl turning 18 or a girl opening an OF on her 18th birthday. Firstly, why should the exact age of sexual maturity be set at 18? Most American states set it at 17 (although federal law sets it at 18), Canada and Germany set it at 16. Are all those other jurisdictions "just wrong"? Obviously there needs to be an age of adulthood (although I think it should be a unified age that covers smoking, drinking, gambling, sexual consent, commercial cons… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 02:22 AM |
| 2 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalI'm not sure what you mean by "beast is tamed for her", when the whole point is that he is no longer weighed by the trauma that makes him afraid of being submissive and respectful. Look, I've talked with you before and we've had both agreements and disagreements, so I don't think you're being willfully obtuse. What I think you're doing is rewording what I said to make it sound "less bad." You don't LIKE my characterization of (average, neurotypical, heterosexual) women's general fantasies becaus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 12:25 AM |
| 3 | A lot of men on here are incapable of being reasonable partners in the modern day and age, regardless of looks, because they can't see a difference between sex and financial freedomYeah HR is actually designed to prevent nepotism. And it fails to do so. It simply gets hijacked to perform another kind of nepotism. And yes lawsuits should be protected against. If there are questions, it's probably for a good reason and not as frivolous as you say. Lawsuits should be protected against, but that means HR departments are just filling a ditch that was dug by a law that shouldn't be there. And if you really think that frivolous lawsuits are trivial or almost never a thing, partic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 11:34 PM |
| 1 | Most Low Status men (ugly, autistic, short,etc..) rejected by society and by women become alcoholics (some hide it well, others not so muhc) and create problems for everyone else involved. And it seems that no one wants to adress this issue. It's society's fault this is a systematic issue, CMVRemove all non-nerds from the institutions of nerd fandom. Mass firings and layoffs are phase 1. The material needs to be created by nerds for nerds and controlled by nerds. You can still keep your Steam account and play Veilguard/Dustborn/South Of Midnight as much as you want and no one will take that away from you. No one can take your 40k minis or books away. But the social spaces, forums, conventions need to be managed by nerds and on similar lines. Those are the "centered" perspectives. All… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 11:29 PM |
| 1 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalSo in other words she does an Androcles' Lion on him and thus secures his endless devoted loyalty. The beast is still tamed. For her. That's the fantasy as I outlined. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 11:24 PM |
| 3 | A lot of men on here are incapable of being reasonable partners in the modern day and age, regardless of looks, because they can't see a difference between sex and financial freedomHR departments exist to protect the company from lawsuits, most of which are frivolous and shouldn't even be filed, but are legally enabled due to doctrines established by radfem lawyers. HR departments also engage in nepotistic hiring practices, even if in theory they shouldn't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 11:16 PM |
| 3 | A lot of men on here are incapable of being reasonable partners in the modern day and age, regardless of looks, because they can't see a difference between sex and financial freedomWhat feminine cultural norms are harmful to men in the workplace? Look up the literature on cultural feminization in the workplace. That cultural change can be harmful to productivity itself, not just men's prospects in the workplace. But the simple reality is both sexes have different social priorities and preferences. In an environment built on the social norms of sex A, members of sex B will find the environment a bit 'strange.' However, INSTEAD of teaching the sexes to tolerate each other, w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 11:13 PM |
| 2 | Most Low Status men (ugly, autistic, short,etc..) rejected by society and by women become alcoholics (some hide it well, others not so muhc) and create problems for everyone else involved. And it seems that no one wants to adress this issue. It's society's fault this is a systematic issue, CMVDefine what you mean by "preventing other people"? Because here's the reality: no one in fact can stop you for participating in any nerd hobby. The only "gatekeeping" that CAN occur is of fandoms - of social spaces surrounding the hobby - but not of the hobby itself. Really, there is only one thing stopping people from actually participating in these hobbies. And that's their own revulsion towards nerdy, low-status men. Studies have been done showing *demographically comparable groups of women w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 11:04 PM |
| – | The big issue that we've in current dating market is that many women just don't wanna date and it's not because "men bad"It's simply not possible to raise children in this economic condition. This is the global reason behind birthrate decline You're flatly incorrect about this. Birthrate decline is happening most strongly in wealthier nations (although even middle-income nations like Russia are suffering it), not poorer ones. If economic misforture caused a lack of breeding, how do you explain the facts that even within the same country poorer people breed more, and how it is richer rather than poorer countries wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 11:06 AM |
| 1 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalWell I have admittedly never really looked at any “bare legal” porn, and have definitely never looked at any age play porn either. I didn’t even realize there was a difference. Kudos for admitting your own fallibility there. Porn seems generally to be devolving from watching attractive naked people enjoying sex, to more and more fetish content. I certainly agree that kink and fetish content has become more mainstreamed. That said I don't necessarily think porn causes this. Also there's an issue … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 10:49 AM |
| 1 | A lot of men on here are incapable of being reasonable partners in the modern day and age, regardless of looks, because they can't see a difference between sex and financial freedomAhhh. Well it isn't a position I share, despite my own critiques of some of the impacts of women-in-the-workplace. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 10:39 AM |
| 2 | A lot of men on here are incapable of being reasonable partners in the modern day and age, regardless of looks, because they can't see a difference between sex and financial freedomI disagree. There was a post recently about feminism, and there were quite an alarming number of comments claiming this principle. Were they specifically against women having jobs outside the home or were they more measured and specific, like the critiques I raised? Given how feminist lawyers were responsible for some of the things I critiqued - particularly regarding sexual harassment law - and how feminist ideology has influenced HR (for example in corporate diversity policies) - there is a va… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 09:58 AM |
| 12 | A lot of men on here are incapable of being reasonable partners in the modern day and age, regardless of looks, because they can't see a difference between sex and financial freedomIt's common to see men here comment about women "forcing men to accept them in the workforce" or that women have upset some fundamental balance of the sexes by daring to work and break free of gender roles and institutions that were commonplace decades ago. I cannot speak for anyone else making certain arguments, but all of the arguments I have seen (and personally endorse) surrounding "forcing men to accept them in the workforce" have nothing to do with opposing women working or women breaking … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 09:46 AM |
| 1 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalI've both read many slash fics and written some and spent years in several fandom communities (and I still have an AO3 account). Now it might be the case that some fandoms are less like what I've seen, but from what I have seen, there is a very distinct pattern and it does spread beyond yaoi (even though it is most closely associated with yaoi). Yes, exceptions exist - the smut I wrote was motivated specifically to BE an exception - but what I saw made that pattern very clear. In a gynocentric s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 09:40 AM |
| – | Can the Perceived Ruthlessness of Modern Dating Be Explained as the Malaise of a Dying Civilization No Longer Sustained by a Set of Moral Principles?I disagree, because I don't believe our civilization is morally nihilistic. Even the intersectional left, which is the side that USUALLY gets accused of moral nihilism, is in fact very morally prescriptive and hierarchical. Oppression bad, capitalism bad, colonialism bad, enlightenment values bad, Republican Party bad, political disagreement bad, cultural appropriation bad, etc. This is NOT a side that is engaging in moral relativism. Is it not the least bit disturbing that a domain of human aff… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 09:23 AM |
| 3 | Its interesting how advice that amounts to “write your own path to success” is met with hostility in male dominated spacesIt depends on your definition of success. However, men DID have a radically liberating space that was about rejecting social norms... that's what MGTOW was, but it got shut down because too many feminist women get neurotic about Mean Words On The Internet (which weren't even directed towards them). Self-liberation is great, but you have to accept that if we're talking about "getting lots of sex with women" the simple reality is there is a very large number of misfit/alternative/atypical men and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 08:07 AM |
| – | The avêrage man has no reason to promote womên’s rightsHere's two simple, self-interested reasons for MALES to support a CLASSICALLY LIBERAL set of women's rights: If you're an undesirable man, you will not be burdened with having to provide for a woman who fundamentally doesn't find you sexually attractive. Freedom from the ball-and-chain. Having abortion available within a reasonable gestational limit REDUCES (although it does not eliminate) the chance of men being forced unto fatherhood without their consent. There you go, two simple reasons I ca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 07:57 AM |
| 6 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalI know where "my truth" came from, but subjectivism isn't the same thing as self-deception. A woman can easily assert "her truth" knowing full well it is a lie. The idea that she 'tricked herself' just allows liars to get away with it, and if such a mechanism is only (or disproportionately) applied to females, the idea becomes another form of benevolent sexism... men can be Machiavellian deceivers but poor fragile woman was a victim of her own mental fragility/incompetence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 07:23 AM |
| 1 | Most Low Status men (ugly, autistic, short,etc..) rejected by society and by women become alcoholics (some hide it well, others not so muhc) and create problems for everyone else involved. And it seems that no one wants to adress this issue. It's society's fault this is a systematic issue, CMVFor low-status males? A restoration in low-status-males having spaces centered on them. Nerd culture, for example, was invented by and for them out of their experiences and their own issues. They should be allowed to have it back, for one. This will reduce the sense of societal exclusion they feel since they'll have parallel institutions to compensate. And in general a shift in thinking about them. I.e. not immediately calling them "incels" or accusing them of misogyny. Or waging culture wars ag… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 07:21 AM |
| 3 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalI'm sympathetic to you but that's a ridiculously flattering reading of romance novels (not that the "romance novels prove all women want abusive domineering men" thing is right either...). These books always involve a hot, preselected, successful/wealthy, socially adroit/influential, physically strong and often outright dangerous man (sometimes even a killer). That IS the object of attraction. But the fantasy isn't about "making him better," it's about establishing a relationship where he is abs… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 07:13 AM |
| 1 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalUntrue. Fanfic - written mostly by women for women - is absolutely like that. Including the slashfic. Actually, perhaps more acutely in the slashfic because "they're both guys" permits the author to cloak her traditionalist fantasy in progressive rainbow robes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 07:00 AM |
| 3 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalWhy do so many feminists ironically love 50 Shades of Grey? I'm sympathetic to you, and I certainly agree that most feminists are Traditionalists in their dating lives, but 50 Shades of Grey isn't really good evidence that "all women, even empowered feminists, want to be dominated." Ana refuses the BDSM contract, repeatedly insists she's not a submissive, breaks up with Christian at one point, and eventually "reforms" Christian and cures him of most of his fetishes except a little spanking on oc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 06:54 AM |
| 7 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalI presume you were joking, because slash fandom is what "red pilled" me (to the extent I can be described as "red pilled"). It is patriarchal as fuck. The men are all placed along a sorting algorithm of "most-to-least-alphaness" with who tops/who bottoms being determined by that sorting algorithm 95% of the time. And the character-who-bottoms almost always has his personality surgically removed and replaced with a whimpering, weeping, dependent, near-infantile neurotic who constantly needs their… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 06:50 AM |
| 1 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalI think women are more likely to object to violent, degrading and “barely legal” when they dress them up like they are actual children. "Barely Legal" is mostly attacked by women who resent how men-like-young-women. The "dress up like actual children" stuff is not "barely legal" but rather ageplay and very large amounts of that (including DDLG content - "Daddy Dom, Little Girl") is made by and for women. Yes, some men like ageplay content but please don't blame men collectively for that particul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 06:38 AM |
| 14 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalGood point. Both sexes have fantasies that have some internally illogical aspects (i.e. "total virgin but absolutely insatiable for me and me alone" vs. "dangerous ruthless rich dominant man who will do absolutely anything at all to have me and will be devoted to me and only me"). That said I don't think the fact these fantasies have many paradoxes within them means they aren't illustrative of at least some aspects of male or female nature. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 06:27 AM |
| 10 | Female written romantic literature is insanely patriarchalWomen lie to themselves about their beliefs, motivations and goals. Do they? In my experience women are either lacking in self-awareness (due to societal infantilization and not even needing to engage in introspection or live "an examined life") regarding this stuff... OR they're completely cognizant of it (in which case they either virtue signal out of pure machiavellianism, or they'll be honest/mature/adult about acting in their own interests). I'm deeply skeptical of how such "lying to onesel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 06:07 AM |
| 2 | Most Low Status men (ugly, autistic, short,etc..) rejected by society and by women become alcoholics (some hide it well, others not so muhc) and create problems for everyone else involved. And it seems that no one wants to adress this issue. It's society's fault this is a systematic issue, CMVIt’s not society’s fault. Everyone is responsible for not creating negativity for others. If you can’t control your emotions without inflecting your misery on others, that’s a moral failing, and you deserve to be unhappy. A valid perspective, but I ask, do you apply this consistently? Or do certain problems get considered "systemic" ones, with those who suffer from them being cast as blameless victims? I agree no one is owed a relationship, but the point I think OP is trying to make is that ther… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 05:50 AM |
| 3 | Most Low Status men (ugly, autistic, short,etc..) rejected by society and by women become alcoholics (some hide it well, others not so muhc) and create problems for everyone else involved. And it seems that no one wants to adress this issue. It's society's fault this is a systematic issue, CMVGood data, but I think the point OP is trying to raise (if inelegantly) is that society in general does not care if "loser" men drink themselves to death. It really is nothing more than the Empathy Gap, but on a Gender-Complying/Gender-Noncomplying axis within individuals of the same sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 05:42 AM |
| 2 | Most Low Status men (ugly, autistic, short,etc..) rejected by society and by women become alcoholics (some hide it well, others not so muhc) and create problems for everyone else involved. And it seems that no one wants to adress this issue. It's society's fault this is a systematic issue, CMVYou can't force people to date people they aren't attracted to. Agreed. Sometimes, there are just no solutions to real-life problems Are there ways to mitigate the problem though? Not a full solution, but perhaps a partial solution that improves things and takes the edges off? Why not have THAT discussion? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 05:36 AM |
| 9 | Most Low Status men (ugly, autistic, short,etc..) rejected by society and by women become alcoholics (some hide it well, others not so muhc) and create problems for everyone else involved. And it seems that no one wants to adress this issue. It's society's fault this is a systematic issue, CMVOP specifically said not just "rejected by women" but also "rejected by society." Yes, no one is owed sex. Granted. Absolutely agreed. But two points: Firstly, how is being "rejected by society" not a societal issue? Secondly, it is well-acknowledged that alcoholism is a public health issue because it impacts people other than the sufferer. Are you suggesting it is no longer a public health issue when "loser" males suffer from it? With many other marginalized groups in society, we demand they be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 05:32 AM |
| 2 | I don't understand how unattractive people can stand to have sex with each other.Sounds like it’s not just unattractive people, you might just think sex is a little disgusting. The British do sometimes refer to sex as "bumping uglies" for a reason, you know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 05:01 AM |
| 3 | Men should be douchebags to find loveBoy you're either rage baiting real hard, or you have some insane issues. No one is worthy of that kind of crazed obsession. You seem to have very little self esteem, and will chase sex even if it hurts other aspects of yourself. I actually agree with you here, but don't you think that perhaps this might be an indicator of just how lookist people can be, rather than a simple example of an individual with problems? Lookism IS a hell of a drug. And there is a VERY large body of social science lite… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 04:59 AM |
| 2 | Where do autistic and adhd men fit in?No problem. I'm a 'sperg myself, I know what its like. It truly is frustrating to live in a world that screams about "diversity" yet spits upon neurodiversity (perhaps the most actually-beneficial form of diversity if we're talking about 'spergs-as-contributors-to-society). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 04:55 AM |
| 4 | Where do autistic and adhd men fit in?You're technically right with respect to one meaning of "normal," but at the same time there's a VERY long history of "normal" being used to mean "normative" and treated as a synonym of "good/acceptable/healthy" with every deviation from that being consequently treated as either a moral defect or a pathology. This is what u/autistic_cool_kid is trying to get at. Whilst autism is STATISTICALLY abnormal and thus SOCIALLY deviant (i.e. atypical), that doesn't make it wrong or bad. For example: take… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 04:40 AM |
| 1 | Women don't have better emotional intelligence then men.And that's an efficiency loss in terms of human capital. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 10:30 PM |
| 0 | Low status men like high status men are their allies but but they are notCan men not access the same government services that they say women are living off of? In some jurisdictions, depending on the structure of the policy, the answer can be "no." Women do donate to charity and volunteer so I don’t see your point. My point should be obvious since I've explained it in more than one post: it is inaccurate to say women have more compassion for 'loser' males than 'winner' males have. If we use a particular standard for compassion (willing to incur personal costs to redu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 10:29 PM |
| 2 | Low status men like high status men are their allies but but they are notSo, its a bit less than 60% women and a bit more than 40% men. That's hardly a massive gender split. all of the NGOs A lot of NGOs do nothing to improve men's living standards. Tons of NGOs are glorified lobbying operations. Yes, there are exceptions. But you're greatly exaggerating the reality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 12:06 PM |
| 2 | Women don't have better emotional intelligence then men.Same. And our society cares too much about feelings and too little about facts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 10:18 AM |
| 3 | Women don't have better emotional intelligence then men.Feelings are always number one. Sure. In a relatively developed and safe situation when dealing with romantic interactions. Take some of those basic foundations away, however, and things change. We see the softer and more "romantic" feelings get economized just as economic theory predicts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 10:04 AM |
| 2 | Women don't have better emotional intelligence then men.Sure, I'm not saying your wrong, but it kind of validates the RP worldview. TRP, for all its faults, is a response. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 09:50 AM |
| 0 | Women don't have better emotional intelligence then men.And compare that to the massive technological-economic benefit we got from Nikola Tesla's Alternating Current. Its "muh feelz" vs. the Steam Engine in terms of what makes things better for human life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 06:25 AM |
| 2 | Low status men like high status men are their allies but but they are notThat's a distortion of what I said. A woman who chooses to work for a nonprofit is not doing the same thing as volunteer work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 06:23 AM |
| – | Women don't have better emotional intelligence then men.I just wonder what "emotional intelligence" is, and even if it can be defined, why people think it matters so much given how almost all of humanity's standard of living depends on abstract intelligence, mathematical intelligence, and that kind of thing. I'm sorry, but "I have the right FEEELZ at the right time" - i.e. you have the right glandular excretion - doesn't make you a more pro-social human being than Nikola Tesla. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 04:49 AM |
| 3 | Low status men like high status men are their allies but but they are notonly officers can do this tho, even an enlisted with 20+ years experience is under a new officer fresh from school.... But soldiers are seen as being higher in "raw manliness" which alone gives a certain social boost in certain social environments. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 03:36 AM |
| 5 | Low status men like high status men are their allies but but they are notOf course some women do charity work that helps men, although I doubt the figure is 100%-of-the-field-is-women. Also, paid work in nonprofits doesn't count. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 03:21 AM |
| 4 | Low status men like high status men are their allies but but they are notFor the record, I am NOT suggesting a woman needs to fuck, date or marry a poor man to "truly show compassion." But how about, say, direct donations? Perhaps charity contributions? "Voting democrat" isn't enough because individual votes almost never matter to elections. Not to mention, women themselves (including middle-to-upper-class women) often benefit from democrat policies so they aren't necessarily incurring a net personal cost to relieve a poor man's pain. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 03:12 AM |
| 19 | Low status men like high status men are their allies but but they are notSuccessful men disdain poor men far more than women disdain poor men. Not in my experience. Although women may put on a show of performative compassion for poor men as a social tactic, as a virtue signal. But if the measure of compassion is actions in which they incur a cost to themselves to reduce the suffering of a poor man, they really are just as disdainful towards poor men as rich men are. Indeed, they might actually be worse - "he squandered his male privilege!" rationalizes a lot of conte… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 02:56 AM |
| 7 | Low status men like high status men are their allies but but they are notThis status shit is dumb. Y’all watch too much television. Normal people don’t believe in status. But most of you spend two thirds of your lives in this sub obsessing over it. If that is true the entire field of Sociology shouldn't exist. Here's the reality: "social status" is just "the aggregate esteem which other people have for you." It exists and everyone knows it. The question is what causes someone to accrue it, and frankly it is delusional to think social status is a purely meritocratic m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 02:44 AM |
| 12 | Low status men like high status men are their allies but but they are notI absolutely agree with your basic thesis, but I don't think it is simply reducible to class (or, for that matter, that class fits neatly along the USA's left-right divide... much of the US left is middle-to-upper class after all). Whilst rich men will often throw poor men under the bus (but perhaps be more chivalrous to poor women), there's also a "chads vs. other men" aspect. Short answer, Chad/Tyrone/Jocky McJockstrap... what the feminists will call "hegemonically masculine" males... distance… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 02:36 AM |
| 3 | Bi sexual men/women are way easier to date.As a bi dude I appreciate the flattery. I guess the reality that bi people are social misfits in several ways has its advantages - it induces a kind of skepticism and open-mindedness. Outsiderness, really. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/25 01:25 AM |
| 1 | Women get blamed for becoming single mothers and are told they should have picked betterAs a gamer 'sperg who has being "caught in it" even when I wasn't trying to get laid at all, I disagree. I think women are just trying to turn their own innate disgust responses into moral virtues. The "creep detector" saved none of the sorority women butchered by Ted Bundy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/25 01:58 PM |
| 4 | Writer researching men’s loneliness, why do some find purpose in ‘self-improvement’ or ‘masculinity’ channels?I’m a UK writer doing early research for a film project about male loneliness and online spaces. Where's your funding coming from? We already know the UK government likes to fund film projects about "male online spaces" that take a very specific editorial line (see "Adolescence," which had a very obvious agenda). How can you be trusted to not distort/misrepresent anything you hear on this subreddit? I’ve noticed a pattern online: some channels start with wellness or motivation, but over time the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/25 01:22 AM |
| 1 | "The juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore." Is it for women?Thank you very much! I'm not in the US but if I ever get to Lubbock, I'll check it out! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/25 12:56 AM |
| 1 | "The juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore." Is it for women?Thank you for explaining it to me No problem. If you ever have the time or opportunity to take a course on primer economics, you might find it pleasantly surprising. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 01:27 PM |
| 1 | Women get blamed for becoming single mothers and are told they should have picked betterI find it curious that I'm always accused of "overanalysis" and told I'm "taking it too far" and to think "dude, it isn't so deep" whenever my analysis reaches conclusions that aren't particularly flattering. It's almost like the reason some people don't like deep analysis is that there are things buried in the depths they'd like to ignore... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 01:08 PM |
| 1 | "The juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore." Is it for women?That would be closer to accounting and business strategy than economics. The "art of the deal" (not the book) is also covered in subfields of economics - game theory, negotiation theory, and also industrial organization/new institutional economics touch on it. Along with sustaining a prosperous model or stabilizing an economy of exchange or getting productivity That is touched on in both Macroeconomics and in Political Economy (i.e. "which economic system should we pick?"). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 01:05 PM |
| 2 | "The juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore." Is it for women?Woohoo! Yes, Austrian School is important to my work (so is Public Choice and so are some other theories). It's nice to run into another econo-nerd. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 01:01 PM |
| 2 | "The juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore." Is it for women?I think you're operating off a very narrow and stereotyped understanding of economics. In economics, cost and benefit are purely subjective to the perceiver. A "good deal" to one person can be an atrocious ripoff to another, and neither of them are wrong. They're correct about their own values and priorities. Do you think that want and desire is more important than business concepts and economics? What's the difference? We have economies and businesses because people have wants and desires that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 12:53 PM |
| 3 | "The juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore." Is it for women?Behavioral Economics actually seems to have fizzled out to a substantial degree, because it never really managed to produce a usable praxeology (a generalizable theory of human action we can use to predict what people will do given a certain set of incentives). In addition, as Bryan Caplan correctly pointed out in his article Rational Irrationality, a lot of Behavioral Economics' critiques of standard Econ 101 can actually be incorporated into traditional economics simply by holding closer to Ec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 12:40 PM |
| 2 | "The juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore." Is it for women?OP, I'm not even RP myself but you seem to be primarily debating a strawman of RP or some sort of agglomeration of prescriptivist tradcon views that are either inessential to RP (and which plenty of RPers lack) or based on some sort of imagined version of it that doesn't really exist. I'm not even going to do a line-by-line critique. Your post frankly doesn't deserve it because it is Tilting At Windmills. I'm just curious to know if you undrestand that a relationship should be "worth it" for the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 12:30 PM |
| 0 | "The juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore." Is it for women?I'm an economist IRL. When I say "sexual economics theory" I mean I just apply the economic theory I know to the sexual/relationship marketplace. This isn't all too different from most TRPers, although I have some academic econ experience and I'm familiar with plenty of non-Econ-101 style economics and think a lot of these non-101 theories (particularly New Institutional Economics) have relevance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 12:25 PM |
| 4 | "The juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore." Is it for women?Agreed entirely. "But why doesn't TRP give a sufficiently detailed answer on this particular issue about women's perspectives?!?" is not an argument against TRP because TRP is not fundamentally about women's perspectives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 12:02 PM |
| 1 | Women get blamed for becoming single mothers and are told they should have picked betterIf you go beyond the bit you highlighted, you'll see "acting in a predatory manner" cited (we can also talk about chronological bias and what materials were used to train the AI - I may have grown up at a different time to you or to the origin of those materials used to train the AI). In other words, "creep" seems to package-deal two things - social awkwardness and "not getting the hint" (so, basically, Asperger's traits) and predation (Sociopathic traits). But these are not the same thing most … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 11:58 AM |
| 2 | Women get blamed for becoming single mothers and are told they should have picked betterMaybe it has to do with when/where we were raised, but I have always understood "creep" (in its common usage) as implying not merely ick but danger. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/25 11:56 PM |
| 1 | Men are no longer the center of universe and some men can't adaptTechnically true, but there's a large body of political psychology research that suggests a strong connection between heritable aspects of personality and eventual political beliefs. There's a reason libertarians are disproportionately on the autism spectrum, for example. There's a reason the contemporary left appeals to women more than men, too (reliance on more female-typical moral foundations). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 11:41 PM |
| 2 | Men are no longer the center of universe and some men can't adaptBut less expensive due to government subsidies specifically designed to ease the financial burden of childrearing. If the choice to have kids were a rational cost-benefit analysis based on economic incentives, the Nordic countries should have higher birth rates. To be fair, feminism/anti-traditionalism can't be blamed for low birth rates either, as South Korea, Japan and Russia all have low birth rates despite being markedly more traditionalist than the West. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 11:37 PM |
| 23 | What’s up with some of the men on this sub conflating attractiveness with being a shitty person?Its partially true (I had my share of Jerk Jock bullies) but it's also partially a Just World Fallacy or coping mechanism. We like to imagine the Jerk Jock also being stupid (in terms of abstract intelligence), as a kind of nature's payback or a way we're superior to him. A way to balance the scales. I mean, I also knew someone who was jock but also actually intelligent AND civilized and kind to me. I actually resented him BECAUSE I didn't have a justifiable basis to hate him. Here's the reality… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 11:23 PM |
| 0 | [conservatives] Would y'all be okay if women could get an education, but just didn't get paid for working ?I am not a conservative (I'm a libertarian) but you MIGHT think of me as a conservative. And even if you don't, you MIGHT be package-dealing several different kinds of conservatives together. So could you please be specific as to what kind/s of policy beliefs you're defining as "conservative"? In my experience, most people called "conservatives" think women should have choice, but the majority of women would naturally prefer traditionalist arrangements. And that isn't an argument against choice,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 09:21 AM |
| 2 | The Great FeminizationCompact may be tradcon, but this is a good article nonetheless. Worth the read even if you want to disembowel the Pope and play with the internal organs afterwards. | /r/MensRights | 19/10/25 08:15 AM |
| – | Q4M: Does women shaming your sexuality feel dehumanizing?It makes me feel deeply dehumanized (although I'm a sexual minority and that may be result in my sexuality as a whole being quite different from conventional male norms). That said I resent when men perpetuate this dehumanization, too. And the simple reality is women are just as "objectifyingly" allosexual (i.e. they see a hot dude and want his hot hunky manflesh just because he's hot) as men are, they merely have a higher attraction threshold for it. They aren't going for anything "higher" or "… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 12:18 AM |
| 6 | Women get blamed for becoming single mothers and are told they should have picked better"Creep factor"... believe it or not, a man can be a deadbeat dad without being "creepy." A lot of guys who end up like this are very charming and manipulative. Very true, and that's part of my point. The so-called "creep detector" is really an "ick/sperg detector." It doesn't screen out bad/manipulative/dangerous men, it screens out a particular kind of unfuckable men. Ergo, women need to stop pretending their "creep detector" is about their personal safety, stop moralizing their disgust reactio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 12:08 AM |
| 7 | Women get blamed for becoming single mothers and are told they should have picked betterEvery woman has a built in creep detector but it doesn't always work perfectly Then is it a "creep" detector or it is really an "ick/sperg/weirdo" detector? Because if so, that explains why sociopaths and other genuinely dangerous guys keep evading it, and why plenty of men whom are physically harmless are caught by it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 12:01 AM |
| 2 | Women tend to be all about mental health awareness, yet practice a zero tolerance policy for socially awkward menFair point, but people with PhDs in "why Tolkein was racist" (for example) aren't much help either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 09:55 AM |
| 1 | Women tend to be all about mental health awareness, yet practice a zero tolerance policy for socially awkward menI'm tempted to agree with you but my own evaluation would depend on what the additional PhDs are in. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 05:42 AM |
| 16 | Women get blamed for becoming single mothers and are told they should have picked betterCorrect. Women are fallible, psychopaths are good mimics, and thus women can't be "blamed" for dating bad men unless they ignore blatantly obvious red flags. That said, whilst I oppose the blaming of women or screaming "pick better" at them, you need to keep in mind that this discussion has a context in which women (not necessarily you) claim to have a "personality detector" or "creep detector" that can "just tell" when a man is not merely sexually unexciting, but a danger and/or a bad person (s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 01:21 AM |
| 2 | Women tend to be all about mental health awareness, yet practice a zero tolerance policy for socially awkward menI agree more tolerance for 'spergy dudes is necessary and creep-shaming (i.e. pretending weirdos are actually dangerous) needs to end. But tolerance doesn't require dates. Women can tolerate 'spergy dudes without dating or fucking them. I'm a 'sperg myself. I know how much it sucks. It is one of life's innate inequities - Chad gets his cock sucked by women relatively easily, I get PhDs more easily than Chad would. But frankly we need to accept it, even if we're disadvantaged by it. Plus, I don't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 12:37 AM |
| 8 | Women tend to be all about mental health awareness, yet practice a zero tolerance policy for socially awkward menSomeone touching you and invading your physical space because “they have autism” is harming someone else. There’s harmless behaviors and then there’s less than harmless ones. When it’s the latter, autism still isn’t an excuse. I agree with that, but you have to concede male autists get at least some flack for the harmless behaviors alone. This doesn't excuse physical transgression. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 12:22 AM |
| 6 | Women tend to be all about mental health awareness, yet practice a zero tolerance policy for socially awkward menPlease show me where SBC's "extreme male brain" (i.e. highest-prenatal-testosterone-exposure brain) theory has been debunked. I've seen people criticize SBC's allegation of "mind-blindness" but I haven't seen any evidence that the autistic brain ISN'T due to either atypically extreme levels of testosterone OR something similar (some argue it is caused by both elevated testosterone AND atypically low estrogen levels). Also, SBC's theory doesn't require Gender Essentialism. Both males and females … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 12:19 AM |
| 2 | Why Shame and Social Pressure Aren’t Always Bad ThingsI reject your underlying assumption that we live in a society without social pressure. Men are still basically under the same sets of social pressure they were in the 50s. I presume you're operating under the idea that a lot of people who would've found family life satisfying have been put off family life by contemporary cultural trends (feminism etc). This may be true but at the same time there were also at least some people who were not well-suited for family life and were pushed into it by so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/25 11:44 PM |
| 9 | Why Shame and Social Pressure Aren’t Always Bad ThingsThere is a reason why Eastern cultures/Traditional cultured outnumber west by a large amount. The pressure/shame gets people with the program. The lowest birth rates are in Japan and South Korea, neither of which have embraced Western individualism. Russia - where there's an official state church and Western culture is officially scorned - also has reducing birth rates. The overall trend isn't due to culture but wealth. Even within the same country, the poorer sectors of society breed more. Rich… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/25 11:28 PM |
| 2 | Do women like both masculine and feminine traits in a man ?A small minority of women sexually like guys whom are femmy or androgynous (mix of femme and masc). Lots of women who CLAIM to like "a bit of femininity in my man" really want a conventionally masculine dude in every way that's consequential/important, but has one trivial feminine trait (like, he'll order a cosmopolitan instead of a beer), and she interprets this inconsequential femininity as a form of countersignalling that actually validates his underlying masculinity ("he's so secure in his m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/25 01:04 PM |
| 4 | Redpillers I know IRL are losersIntellect yes (at least in specific areas) but this doesn't necessarily mean education and income. Whilst there's a correlation, it is not 1:1, and there are many examples where high intellect and education doesn't necessarily result in income (think someone who got a "useless PhD"), where high intellect doesn't necessarily result in credentials (when you say "education" what you really mean is "credentials"), etc. These may not be the statistical norm but they're not trivial or marginal occurre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/25 05:44 AM |
| 13 | Redpillers I know IRL are losersMy experience isn't entirely dissimilar to yours. TRP attracts nerds, geeks, weirdos etc. But your contempt towards them actually *proves TRP (and Blackpill to a degree)*. TRP literally says "women find nerds sexually repulsive and nerds are at the bottom of the masculinity hierarchy, so if you want to be fuckable you need to learn to mimic/pretend to be non-nerdy." Your observation doesn't invalidate TRP at all. Indeed, the fact you think "ewww, nerds" invalidates TRP actually proves just how s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/25 04:43 AM |
| 2 | Q4M: Your age-appropriate date has a collection of romance novels, fanfiction, and Disney Princess stuff. Red flag? Or no big deal?Basically women can't do anything without being judged. EVERYONE gets judged by members of the opposite sex on the basis of their hobbies and appearances. EVERYONE. Also, you're conflating two kinds of judgment here - assessment of someone's moral worth, and assessment of someone's romantic compatibility. These aren't the same kind of judgment. "Horse girls" are a red flag to be avoided. That's because "horse girls" are often expensive to maintain and most of them don't want to fund their own ho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/25 03:05 AM |
| 3 | Q4M: Your age-appropriate date has a collection of romance novels, fanfiction, and Disney Princess stuff. Red flag? Or no big deal?No, but it correlates with a particular set of interests which are usually considered icky and off-putting by the majority of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/25 02:45 AM |
| – | Men, what is something unique you expericne as a result of your gender often that you wished women understood?That our societal gender status ("real manhood") is constantly precarious and subject to revocation, and that this gives women power over men (as they can perform this revocation). Consequently, how most so-called "male" privilege is really "real man" privilege (or "chad privilege" or "gender-conforming male privilege"). Loser/nerdy/'spergy/non-hot men get little to none of it. And that men are just as conditioned/indoctrinated/brainwashed into societal gender roles as women are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 10:04 AM |
| 11 | Most women aren’t good enough for relationships for most menThey just wouldn’t go on their damn way. Talking among themselves about women =/= interacting with women. They DID go their own way. But some people just got offended over what they were doing with each other. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 05:40 AM |
| 2 | Women aren't going to drastically change their lifestyle so that someday you might want to marry them.If that was the case women wouldn't intiate divorce If women have to choose between several suboptimal options, and divorce is either costless or potentially lucrative for them, it actually makes sense they'd be the ones who initiate divorce more than men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/10/25 02:18 AM |
| 20 | The Red Pill is dead. Was never alive. CMV.Andrew Tate was the sole stimulus for the movement. This is a rookie mistake for any TRP critic to make. TRP greatly predates Andrew Tate - Tate is just the most recent internet celebrity to proclaim himself "red pilled." TRP has a long history going back at least a decade before Tate, and it grew out of the Seduction Community (people like Neil Strauss) and the works of Rollo Tomassi (as well as some more unsavory characters like Roosh V). Tate is a Johnny-Come-Lately. It's filled with scammers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/25 07:37 AM |
| 1 | Women aren't going to drastically change their lifestyle so that someday you might want to marry them.You’re telling me that you routinely see couples where a man is paying for a woman to go on a solo trip while he stays home? That makes no sense. No, that's not what I see. I do see women who mastermind the itinerary, plan the trip around their wants/preferences, plan a trip that is much more luxurious than they'd plan and pay for if it were just by themselves, and then "invite him to tag along" however. A "couples' vacation" that's really just funded by him and designed around her pleasure. Als… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/25 09:27 PM |
| 2 | Women aren't going to drastically change their lifestyle so that someday you might want to marry them.Women make up the majority of solo travelers. Okay. Do their travel preferences (including grade of hotel, etc) remain the same after they get into relationships with men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/25 01:26 AM |
| 5 | Women aren't going to drastically change their lifestyle so that someday you might want to marry them.If she was funding her life before she has the means so why would she need you for that? The "if" is doing a lot of work in this sentence. If you’re going on a couples vacation it would make sense that you’d be expected to contribute in some way. Sure. I don't contest this. But you're conflating hypothetical egalitarian relationships (which I support) with the real-life situations that are faced by many (arguably most?) men who date women who describe themselves as "into travel." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/25 01:21 AM |
| 4 | what are manly recipes that I should make as a man, for my gym bro's birthday ?This is both irrelevant to Men's Rights and almost certainly a joke. If you're going for a "making fun of the stereotype" thing, however, it is also dependent on where you live (as "manly man food" is somewhat culturally dependent). | /r/MensRights | 09/10/25 12:39 PM |
| – | Women aren't going to drastically change their lifestyle so that someday you might want to marry them.How, exactly, do you reach such a conclusion? Nabokov's "Lolita" is not a piece of erotica and the vast majority of erotica-for-men doesn't feature children (thankfully). Lolicon is not a normal or mainstream genre. My argument is premised on the idea that "extremely common and persistent-over-time tropes within the mainstream entertainment targeted towards a particular sex likely tell you something about that particular sex." Pop music and boy bands and typical romance novels, consequently, tel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/25 12:25 PM |
| – | Women aren't going to drastically change their lifestyle so that someday you might want to marry them.The same romantic fantasy - of having a man pledge commitment and loyalty and support to a woman - is common across even contemporary women's smut novels. The fact this fantasy goes back a long way actually strengthens my argument rather than weakens it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/25 11:58 AM |
| – | Women aren't going to drastically change their lifestyle so that someday you might want to marry them.If the man is "good enough" for her she'll change her lifestyle, because of a simple cost-benefit calculation. Women are humans and humans respond to incentives. Sure, anonymous men on the internet may not matter. I get that. The point being made is that many women do want to get married and they will often be faced with choosing between several suboptimal (i.e. the man isn't "the full package") options. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/25 11:39 AM |
| – | Women aren't going to drastically change their lifestyle so that someday you might want to marry them.If enjoying travel is seen as a red flag, that would mean that around 60% of the women I meet on Hinge would be eliminated. It's because travel is often a very expensive, glamorous hobby. And most women want a man to subsidize their hobbies at least in part. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/25 11:30 AM |
| – | Women aren't going to drastically change their lifestyle so that someday you might want to marry them.Women don’t want to marry or have kids. In my experience that's generally untrue. Sure, not all women want marriage/children, and no woman HAS to want marriage and children. But the majority of women seem to, in fact, desire to get married and have children one day. I mean, take a look at the romantic and sexual fantasies of both sexes. Women's fantasies skew far more towards a man committing to her (marriage) than men's fantasies skew towards women committing to them. There's a reason Never Gon… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/25 11:28 AM |
| -2 | Misogynic content regularly gets more upvotes than downvotes on this sub. What does it say about this sub and the men's rights movement?I've noticed this too. Honestly I suspect it is false flag behavior, and/or an influx of the "red pill anger phase" types due to the fact that every other "containment space" for them has been gotten rid of (which in turn gives The Powers That Be an excuse to get rid of us). We need to be more careful, even if our venting is absolutely justified, because they will use the handful of arguably-misogynistic posts as an excuse to shut the subreddit down. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/25 09:19 AM |
| 1 | The idea that women don't enjoy sex, comes from male sexuality being demonize in society.Yep. Same with "bottom-shaming" in the gay world (although a lot of bottoms do this too, as part of competing for tops). Taking cock is seen as being defiled, violated, degraded, conquered, lessened. Irrespective of the sex of the cock-taker. That is misandry, not misogyny. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/25 08:32 AM |
| 3 | Pirat_Nation @Pirat_Nation Study finds no link between sexualized female video game characters and misogyny. Meta-analysis (18 studies) shows no connection between sexualized game characters and reduced self-esteem, body image issues, or sexist attitudes.Yeah, yaoi/slashfic is 95% female. The double standards against porn-for-men yet celebrating or at least ignoring porn-for-women are atrocious. | /r/MensRights | 07/10/25 10:47 AM |
| 9 | US to end preferential requirements for women in combat arms positionsI despise Hegseth, but he's absolutely correct here. There should be one standard. If it produces inequity, so what? Not to mention, this fixation on combat roles is silly given how militaries are primarily logistics operations, and most military positions are non-combat. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/25 12:16 PM |
| 6 | Outdated view of masculinity clashing with modern culture is why "pill" culture existsIf "real feminists" want to dismantle gender norms for both sexes, they're either incompetent or a tiny minority. You sound to me like a Classical Liberal Feminist. That's already been declared "not feminist enough" by the official feminist movement, which is too busy pushing shit like the Duluth Model (despite even the creator of the Duluth Model agreeing it was deeply flawed and based on confirmation bias), and running the "Ministry for Male Behavior Change" in the Australian state of Victoria… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 07:33 AM |
| 1 | Sex is emotional for men, tooSure that’s important to men, but it shouldn’t take reign over other more intimate emotions. That's just outright gynonormativity. Sorry, but just because YOU don't see an emotion as intimate doesn't mean it isn't intimate, meaningful, special and thrilling for men. Emotional experiences are subjective by definition and people have their own priorities. You can't fairly say that the way women experience various emotions is the "correct" way and that the way men experience them is wrong or broken… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 07:20 AM |
| 1 | Sex is emotional for men, tooSure. Sex isn't emotionally monotonous. I'm just saying that there is no contradiction between "sex is deeply emotional" and "sex proves/validates masculine status," since the latter IS a deeply emotionally resonant thing for males. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 06:51 AM |
| 1 | Men want women to settle for themNo, men don't want to be settled for. For two reasons: First, "you're second-best, you're my consolation prize" is an insult. Women feel the same way about the same sentiment, after all. Second, because if she settles for him she'll grow to resent him and the relationship will be unstable. Since men bear the cost of relationship dissolution, he has an incentive to avoid relationships that aren't going to be stable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 06:23 AM |
| 6 | Outdated view of masculinity clashing with modern culture is why "pill" culture existsI don't know what exactly this is supposed to prove? That pill culture isn't "men's fault" or "men dealing with their inadequacies" or anything like that. Pill culture exists because of the contradictions within the women's movement and frustration with the current status quo of society - a status quo where women are liberated but still demand men play a traditional role. And sure, men also reinforce traditionalism too, I'm not denying that. The point of womens independence is that they have com… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 04:39 AM |
| 7 | What would it take for the men's rights movement to become mainstream?Nothing less than a complete collapse of the feminist movement, which will require at the very least a mass defunding of all feminist QuANGOs and Women's Studies departments. Which is theoretically possible, but it won't cut off PRIVATE funding for such entities. But the most critical low-hanging fruit is on the policy/public sector area, and there's at least the possibility of a broad political coalition in support of Defunding Public Feminism (conservatives and libertarians and many centrists … | /r/MensRights | 01/10/25 02:07 PM |
| 7 | What would it take for the men's rights movement to become mainstream?I'm sympathetic to your critique but honestly I think a lot of those posts are basically blackpiller types whom are coming into this sub, since they have nowhere else to go. Not to mention, this actually serves an anti-MRA agenda. Community A is full of bitter blackpillers prone to misogynist venting, so The Powers That Be shut down Community A. This means the bitter blackpillers migrate to Communities B, C and D. So if The Powers That Be want to get Communities B/C/D shut down, then shutting do… | /r/MensRights | 01/10/25 01:58 PM |
| 10 | Outdated view of masculinity clashing with modern culture is why "pill" culture existsIt shifts the blame away from the outdated expectations placed on men by framing women’s independence as a form of manipulation. Then how do you explain the fact that, in this alleged "new world" which has allegedly rejected traditional gender roles, women themselves still show marked preferences towards "soft girl" behavior? It isn't men trying to force women back into the kitchen. What happened is, after tons of women entered the labor market after the Friedan era of feminism, women realized t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/25 01:43 PM |
| 1 | Sex is emotional for men, tooIn "pill" thinking, sex for men is portrayed as purely physical release, detached from emotion, and a kind of conquest that proves masculine status (proximity to "Chad"). You're mistakenly presuming that validation of one's masculine status isn't a serious emotion for men. It is. A very big one, because masculine gender roles have always made masculinity a precarious, tenuous earned status bestowed upon the male by others (typically peers, fathers and women). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/25 12:17 PM |
| 1 | Australia's premier men's health study "Ten for Men" used to predictably prove that young men's gambling problems are all because of "masculinity". Surprise, surprise.If only these young men can be rescued from their wild type masculinity, and be corralled into the new, improved, controlled and pasturised “positive masculinity" all their problems could be cured. Interestingly, how is this any different from the old sexist trope that women civilize men? Oh wait, it isn't. As is typical for feminist anything, it is traditionalism masquerading as rebellion. | /r/MensRights | 01/10/25 06:45 AM |
| 6 | The avg guy should decenter women or work hard to not be avg"Men and Masculinities" is an ideological feminist journal based on the theories of Rae Connell. "The Journal of Gender Studies" is no different, given the reigning orthodoxy in academic Gender Studies. Both journals are ideology first, with actual social science a distant second. I say this as a professional social scientist with postgrad qualifications in an actual social science that still retains viewpoint diversity, scholarly rigor and institutionalized disconfirmation. The "research" you c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/25 01:47 PM |
| 4 | Current cultural/gender war is partly a fight over who multi-million dollar companies should pander toYou're partially correct, but you're wrong about GamerGate. GG wasn't about men vs women, it was about nerds (whom are mostly male) vs. hipsters (whom are of both sexes). Also, developers have FAILED to broaden their audiences - they failed back in the days of trying to appeal to the "CoD crowd" and they failed more recently trying to appeal to a so-called "modern audience." Gamers (i.e. nerds) were right not just to complain they were no longer being centered, but that they were being actively … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/25 10:38 AM |
| – | Are there really other kind of women on dating apps and real life?Still, women who are the "live, laugh, love" types and love to travel and dance The term you're looking for is "basic bitch" or "basic Becky." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/25 09:56 AM |
| 0 | Would it be better for more men to drop out of society?It does not apply to human beings with consciousness and inherently unique and irreplicable lives. Yes, everyone is (strictly speaking) unique, but the point Soft-Neat8117 was clearly making is that most people are normal, conventional, and typical. Bell curves exist. Averages exist. Norms exist. The idea that everyone is equally divergent from the norm is mathematically impossible and disproven by basic reality. Yes, we're all individuals. But most people cluster around the middle regions of th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/25 04:25 PM |
| 1 | why do men hate sluts so much, instead of just feeling neutral?Thank you very much! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/25 05:10 AM |
| 16 | Borderline Personality Disorder and Women?Abuse by BPD women is not a joke, so please change the topic flair. What Amber did to Johnny was not funny. Fatal Attraction is not a comedy. That said, if you're saying that what we might call "Toxic Femininity" has a strong overlap with BPD, I'd agree. "Toxic Femininity" is BPD and Histrionic PD, whereas "Toxic Masculinity" correlates with Antisocial PD, and Narcissistic PD seems to have overlap with both "Toxic Femininity" and "Toxic Masculinity" depending on the circumstance. | /r/MensRights | 27/09/25 06:02 PM |
| 13 | I am an Australian Family Lawyer, this is my top advice for men going through or considering separation.My experience has been that that the Australian legal system is paralyzed by politicians terrified of being labelled as facilitating abuse. Fellow Australian here, and I've seen this too. The country is absurdly chivalrous, moreso than the UK or even the US in my experience. | /r/MensRights | 27/09/25 09:23 AM |
| – | why do men hate sluts so much, instead of just feeling neutral?In my experience, men whom are not religious fundamentalists (your Afghan example is not representative of all men) don't really hate women-who-sleep-around. They may resent the relative ease of sexual access that woman has (and sometimes that resentment will be transmuted into hatred-of-sluts via the typical Nietzschean process of ressentiment). They may be vindictive towards a woman who fucks men whom are not himself (which he'd understandably experience as a wound towards his ego - as him bei… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/25 03:34 PM |
| 13 | A man’s ability to attract women has nothing to do with whether or not he’s a good personI agree with you, but I think when we're talking about "male nature" we're talking more about sexual/relationship strategy than physical violence. A man divorces a woman and trades her in for a newer model? Absolutely pilloried by society. A woman divorces a man to "monkey branch" to a richer/stronger/bigger man? She'll be celebrated as a heroine for "seeking her own happiness" even if she breaks up the family because "she isn't happy." Oh, and the exit costs for a marriage almost always fall on… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/25 02:03 PM |
| 2 | I can't watch Corn anymore...How is this relevant to men's rights? It is true that men often suffer but not all suffering that men endure constitutes a rights violation. | /r/MensRights | 25/09/25 02:34 PM |
| 0 | I constantly hear from women about ‘r@pe’ but every girl I have met has that fantasy and more.Alternatively, OP could be experiencing a sorting effect. OP is high-functioning autistic. Autism spectrum characteristics are overrepresented in kink communities. Perhaps the women OP is attracted to and whom are attracted to OP are more likely to be a certain type of woman (with these particular fetishes) just because Birds Of A Feather Flock Together. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/25 05:36 AM |
| 8 | Men don’t feel entitled to a relationship/sex, women just have free access to itThis has been my experience, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/25 05:25 AM |
| -1 | There actually are government mandated solutions to datingYour country? If you're presuming I'm American you're mistaken. Also there is an internationally validated correlation between wealth/education and fertility. Even within the same country, poorer people breed more so affordability isn't the issue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/25 05:01 AM |
| 6 | There actually are government mandated solutions to datingThe problem with point 1 especially is the vast majority of women want naturals, not men who needed therapy/had plastic surgery/etc. Indeed, one of the reasons for hostility towards TRP is that it allows losers to mimic and thus works against the genetic self-interest (relative to the evolutionary environment) of women. What will happen is that women will just invent new screening mechanisms to keep the fakes/mimics out. Or, if a mimic succeeds, when she discovers he's a mimic, she'll dissolve t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/25 04:06 AM |
| 0 | There actually are government mandated solutions to datingPopulation-related issues and the future sustainability of social safety nets (a direct consequence of the population issue), for one. Also, domestic population growth means immigration reduction becomes more feasible. Whilst most immigration is generally good, recent years have proven that some selectivity and discrimination in immigration policy is necessary to preserve the West's civic culture. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/25 03:56 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Struggling men should focus on making life unfair for others, especially political and social enemiesThat's a very fair argument. Hoppe's emphasis on decentralization and separatism does work well for incels and other groups who want to be around each other whilst keeping outsiders out. The irony is so many people who critique him for being 'regressive' don't see that what he advocates is kind of exactly what many minority groups want and need. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/25 03:36 AM |
| 0 | CMV: Struggling men should focus on making life unfair for others, especially political and social enemiesMaybe I don't understand it because I don't find pleasure in other people's misery Well, I guess that DOES explain you not 'vibing' with Nietzsche. He did, after all, coin the word "Schadenfreude." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 04:49 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Struggling men should focus on making life unfair for others, especially political and social enemiesThank you. I actually agree with you. I appreciate your consistency. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 04:48 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Struggling men should focus on making life unfair for others, especially political and social enemiesMy condolences for your suffering. I had a much more positive experience with revenge. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 12:10 PM |
| -1 | CMV: Struggling men should focus on making life unfair for others, especially political and social enemiesHave you ever had delicious revenge? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 12:02 PM |
| 21 | The arguments on here are so circularFeminist spaces did the same to me, but genderflipped. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 08:47 AM |
| 9 | The arguments on here are so circularSo, circling back to those circular arguments: what do you get out of them? Online entertainment. Quoted for truth. Seriously, OP is right that this isn't the most productive space, but as OP said, what can be done? Unless we put Pink Viagra in the water, women will be less horny and consequently more selective than men, and Pink Viagra would cause heart attacks. To be fair, spaces like this could possibly foster a bit more understanding for men's suffering and men's challenges. That would be an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 06:44 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Struggling men should focus on making life unfair for others, especially political and social enemiesHow many have you personally seen? Do you mean physically, in real meatspace? I don't personally date, and I only have one friend my age whom is married (and he lucked out by finding a wife who shared his hobbies... good for them!). Most of the experience I have with this phenomenon is indirect/based on others' accounts. I've never met a woman like this. That's plausible. If you're on reddit it is certainly possible you might be an atypical woman, and in real life, Birds Of A Feather sorting eff… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 06:26 AM |
| 9 | CMV: Struggling men should focus on making life unfair for others, especially political and social enemiesYou personally might not, but I've seen many, many women absolutely have issues with their boyfriends/husbands having androcentric hobbies when those hobbies don't impact bills or responsibilities. Far too many women (again, not necessarily you) just hate men having spare time away from them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 05:45 AM |
| 5 | CMV: Struggling men should focus on making life unfair for others, especially political and social enemiesVideos and Star Wars aren't only for men. "Star Wars is for 12 year old boys" is an exact quote from George Lucas, and Kathleen Kennedy deliberately aimed to change it (the result was a massive destruction of brand value). Anyone can like what they like. The point I am making is that the subcultural spaces surrounding these hobbies were not just androcentric but neuroatypical-androcentric. Then women started demanding the spaces (and the products) change to "center" them, their feelings, their s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 05:32 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Struggling men should focus on making life unfair for others, especially political and social enemiesThat’s what it looks like. So incels need to start practicing respectability politics? Again, there's a double standard on the Western Left (not necessarily you personally, though!). They call the idea that blacks or gays need to practice respectability politics an oppressive stance. Ditto the idea that feminists should practice respectability politics (i.e. stop being angry clamhurt legbeards who go around screaming "#KillAllMen" etc). Yet the same tolerance for cultural non-normativity doesn't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 05:14 AM |
| 8 | CMV: Struggling men should focus on making life unfair for others, especially political and social enemiesDo you have an example? There's been 15 years of dedicated feminist entryism into "nerd" spaces (i.e. spaces built around the interests of 'spergy men... the same kind of man most likely to be incel). See Elevatorgate, Gamergate, what Kathleen Kennedy did to Star Wars, etc. These hobby spaces were, if only tacitly, built around the norms/values/hobbies/experiences of this kind of man. Then the activists (some of which were male themselves and brain-rotted with ideology and/or deluded with the id… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 05:07 AM |
| -1 | CMV: Struggling men should focus on making life unfair for others, especially political and social enemiesIf you REALLY think men voting Republican is an imminent threat to your rights, your actions make no sense. They're the actions of someone who doesn't truly feel threatened at all. Mockery and dismissal. So either... The Republicans as a whole aren't the tragedy for women's rights that you like to think (and I personally take that position), or, Your response is being driven by something irrational/sub-rational. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 04:07 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Struggling men should focus on making life unfair for others, especially political and social enemiesLife is unfair in ways we cannot really control. Very true, but some unfairness/inequity that cannot really be controlled (or can only partially be controlled) gets advocacy and compassion and attempts-to-ameliorate-it whereas other unfairnesses/inequities get laughed at and told "Life Isn't Fair, Shut Up." This disparate favoring of some inequities over others (and some victim groups over others) doesn't go unnoticed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 04:01 AM |
| 7 | CMV: Struggling men should focus on making life unfair for others, especially political and social enemiesHow about those men focus on their hobbies Feminist activists have gone after those, too (no, not all women are collectively guilty as a result, and not all those feminist activists are women). If you really want weirdo loser 'spergy men to leave women alone, give those men their own spaces to do their own things, to vent, to escape their misery and/or to bemoan it, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 03:59 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Struggling men should focus on making life unfair for others, especially political and social enemiesBut does it make any sense for someone to lash out at others who are doing well, just because they themselves are at a disadvantage? That's literally about 90% of the Western Left, right there. I don't entirely agree with OP, but OP's point needs to be understood in the context of how we've literally had 15 years where certain almost-certainly-natural-in-part inequities have been considered morally mandatory to address (or at least decry and bemoan). When some naturally-disadvantaged groups get … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 03:57 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Struggling men should focus on making life unfair for others, especially political and social enemiesWhy Hoppeans specifically? What makes Hoppe better for incels (and by what standard of "better" are you invoking) than, say, Hayek or Mises or Rand or Nozick? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 03:50 AM |
| 7 | CMV: Struggling men should focus on making life unfair for others, especially political and social enemiesu/TheAccountant369 is not saying revenge fantasies improve the self, but rather that they make the self happier. Nietzsche argued the exact same thing and suggested most of history's popularly embraced moralities ultimately boiled down to revenge fantasies. I'm sympathetic to Nietzsche's point. People love revenge fantasies. People arguably need them for their mental health. How else can we deal with the reality that we all WISH to live in a Just Universe, yet cosmic justice doesn't exist? Reven… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 03:32 AM |
| 7 | I think boyfriend/husband material is more validatingWhilst I agree that in upper-class Victorian England things were different to now, the sad reality is the sexual instincts are mostly-evolved so we're stuck with paleolithic desires. Also, I'm not saying you CAN'T feel how you feel. I'm just pointing out that the concept of the Beta Bucks or the "prudent choice" or "good husband material" or whatever-you-want-to-call-it is not some Red Pill conspiracy. It goes back centuries. It emerged from the historical reality that women often had to priorit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 03:15 AM |
| 7 | How true is it that women like bad boys who are only good to them and men like good women who are only bad/slutty to them?It all depends on what "bad boy" means. Women don't usually want a man who is an obvious antisocial/psychopath. But they do like men who can dominate other men, and they like a performative/superficial kind of "maverickness" (not actual individualism or genuine nonconformity - the fake kind that projects a propensity towards risk-taking and what is interpreted as a status-signaling "I don't take shit from anyone" behavior). This is what the "bad boy" is - hot, exciting, dangerous to other men bu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 03:09 AM |
| 35 | I think boyfriend/husband material is more validatingErm, even Jane freakin' Austen knew how "good husband material" was a backhanded compliment. "Not hot or exciting... but stable, dependable, resource-rich and socially acceptable." That's what "good husband material" has always meant. It is NOT a synonym for Alpha Bucks/Prince Charming/the "full package" man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/25 02:53 AM |
| 5 | Why don't you like hypergamy ?OP needs to drop the moralistic framing. Men who complain about hypergamy are mostly complaining about it because it works against their own interests/desires (which skew towards promiscuity/polygyny and prioritize getting more sex at the lowest possible cost). There is nothing objectively wrong or right about either sex's general mating strategies. But people are going to bitch about the other sex nonetheless because the average man prioritizes different things to the average woman, thus the tr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/25 03:08 AM |
| 1 | Any childfree guys hereChildfree myself. I know I'm not a family man, so kids aren't for me. | /r/MensRights | 18/09/25 07:37 AM |
| 0 | Men who want casual sex, why women should want that?The institutional economics of the SMV are already optimized towards what the vast majority of what women want. That's not a normative statement. It isn't a condemnation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/25 07:43 AM |
| 1 | Men who want casual sex, why women should want that?So basically a lot of men want casual sex, and enough of them are egoistical and stand off-ish to women. The question is why should women be interested? What's in this for them, what are you offering? Sure, some men are jerks, some jerks want casual sex. That's the whole point of a free SMP. Individual women find and assess potential partners to see if those potentials are offering what they want. Your criticism may make sense for those who want to abolish freedom in the sexual marketplace, but … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/25 02:55 AM |
| 2 | Women are just as creepy as men they just get away with it.The problem you face is lots of conservatives, including conservative women, are not 100% pro life. A lot of them believe in early-stage abortion, and have voted accordingly (even in deep red states like Kansas). So this whole idea to use voting Republican as a "strategy to retaliate against women" is flawed at its very base. Not to mention it gives legitimacy the most hysterical kind of feminist fearmongering (i.e. "if we don't vote straight democrat in every election everywhere in the country … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/25 09:26 AM |
| 4 | A certain community that is against mens rights(didn't technically say the name)I presume they mean "Gender & Sexual Minority" by GSM. So GSMphobia would cover homophobia, biphobia, bigotry against asexuals (I've never personally seen any but it might exist), and bigotry against transgender and nonbinary-identifying individuals. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/25 08:11 AM |
| 1 | Hypergamy: Cannot treat a woman as equal"Equal" by what metric? I support egalitarianism and women's rights, but if you look at the revealed preferences (i.e. choices) of the vast majority of opposite-sex-attracted women, they want a man who is taller & stronger than them, has demonstrated earning potential equal to or greater than theirs, is held in strong social esteem by other men (so outranks her in a particular social hierarchy in which she isn't a member), etc. In addition, a lot of women have a cognitive bias about this, where … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/25 02:24 AM |
| 37 | Kirk situation.Majority of my family are teachers There's your problem. Teachers are among the most partisan-progressive professions and are rent-seeking hypocrites with a lust for power over children. The profession attracts people with a desire for control over others, just like law enforcement can. | /r/MensRights | 13/09/25 03:51 AM |
| 3 | Q4 people who believe that promiscuity damages a womans capacity to "pair-bond" --why doesn't having generally good life, good family etc. also damage a womans capacity to pair bond?There is no evidence for this demented "women become less capable of pair-bonding every time they have sex" theory. I see it as nothing more than a rationalization or people believing something that is useful for their agenda and/or a kind of wishful thinking. There is, however, evidence that women who are promiscuous are more likely to dissolve relationships or commit infidelity (and men have both rational and evolved reasons to care about these things). The most reasonable explanation for this… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/25 03:44 AM |
| 1 | Girls will no longer be incarcerated for committing the same crimes as boysThank you for that info. I appreciate it. I didn't know that any SA gets treated as a suicide attempt. That would absolutely bias the hell out of the data. | /r/MensRights | 12/09/25 10:52 PM |
| 38 | It's far more expensive to be a man than a womanThe "Pink Tax" is actually worse than a myth. It shows women will pay more for gender-affirming products. #FemininitySoFragile | /r/MensRights | 12/09/25 12:37 AM |
| 3 | Girls will no longer be incarcerated for committing the same crimes as boysI'm not an expert on suicidology so I have to ask - is it a recurrent problem in the stats where self-harm incidents are bundled up with suicide attempts? Does the distinction you make between the two get regularly ignored? | /r/MensRights | 11/09/25 10:39 PM |
| 2 | Women’s Understanding Won’t Help — Because Pity Kills DesireHow did feminists alter nerd culture except to make your video game cartoon skins less cartoonishly hot and make the main character of the last Star Wars trilogy a woman? By making hobby spaces gynocentric and demanding they be ran on female/feminine norms, for one. The entire gaming press - not merely the cartoon skins - became hotbeds for feminist/gynocentrist activism (see Gamergate). Same thing happened to the Atheist movement previously. There are very extensive criticisms about the previou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/25 02:08 PM |
| 6 | How Reputation, Narrative, and Influence Destroyed a ConservativeWell why not provide some concrete examples? Specifics of how your model of cultural warfare dynamics have impacted MRAs before. It would be a useful contribution, don't you think? | /r/MensRights | 11/09/25 09:59 AM |
| 11 | How Reputation, Narrative, and Influence Destroyed a ConservativeAgreed, but I don't see how this is relevant. It's more a "generalized cultural warfare" post. Perhaps you could establish relevance by citing examples of how similar dynamics are used against men's rights activists? | /r/MensRights | 11/09/25 09:22 AM |
| 25 | As much as I condemn the killing of Charlie Kirk, he was a conservative gynocentrist, not equalist or men's rights activistI agree with your critique, but I think most people in the MHRM already know he wasn't an MHRA and that he was a tradcon. I'm glad you agree that his murder was a political and personal tragedy, however. The recent rise in political violence is truly quite frightening. | /r/MensRights | 11/09/25 07:35 AM |
| 24 | Girls will no longer be incarcerated for committing the same crimes as boysThat still works out to "less punishment for girls if they commit the same crime as a boy of the same age." Either both sexes get the exact same penalty (be it White Collar Prison or Supermax, whatever) for the same crime at the same age, or you're being a sexist. And frankly, girls ALREADY attempt suicide more than boys, and they use less lethal methods, because suicide attempts committed by females are often cries for help, and cries for help made by females get listened to. So no, I really do… | /r/MensRights | 11/09/25 06:39 AM |
| 32 | Girls will no longer be incarcerated for committing the same crimes as boysIf boys killed themselves in such institutions, people would think "oh, good, less future troublemakers." | /r/MensRights | 11/09/25 06:28 AM |
| 3 | Reminder: Charlie Kirk is a cuckservative GYNOCENTRIC clownSo... advocating for gynocentric ideas means you deserve to die? I frequently disagree with Kirk, but he has the right to engage in peaceful advocacy, even of ideas I find loathsome. Yes, I agree cuckservatives/gynocentrists/tradcons are not our friends. But sweet fuck, assassinating nonviolent people because they have bad ideas is far more evil. | /r/MensRights | 11/09/25 06:19 AM |
| 3 | Women’s Understanding Won’t Help — Because Pity Kills DesireI barely even know how to answer to this. Between the fact you put words in my mouth and greatly misrepresented me on several points, and clearly misread me in a way that can only be explained by motivated reasoning, I shouldn't even dignify this with a full response. I will make a few things clear: I did not blame "women" for taking over nerd culture. I blamed those particular women who did so, as well as "feminists/women's advocates." Feminists/women's advocates are not necessarily women thems… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/25 05:31 AM |
| 2 | Women’s Understanding Won’t Help — Because Pity Kills DesireYou have a reasonable point. I've heard about those anti-dog and anti-cat subreddits that are apparently even more uncivil than "childfree" groups back in the "CF Hardcore" days, and some of which even have animal cruelty content on them. I mean sure, I get the need for venting spaces and blowing off steam, but unless someone is very allergic to cats/dogs and is constantly being harassed by others who tell them to get a cat/dog, I don't see any real reason for such vehemence on the subject. Mayb… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/25 11:26 AM |
| 20 | It's brutally unfair but so many women refuse to date a man under 5ft 8in OP: More male hate.Agreed, here. Heightism is a deeply sad fact, but here's another sad fact: without bilateral attraction, a romantic relationship won't last, and men are the ones who bear the cost of relationship dissolution. So unless we can re-engineer the average-heterosexual-neurotypical-female's attraction, then short men whom are "given" a GF will just have a GF who isn't into them, will resent them, and will likely take their stuff when she can. | /r/MensRights | 10/09/25 10:03 AM |
| 3 | It's sickening how much female pedophiles are idolized so much and defended.Sure, but a 17 year old isn't a child. Late adolescents are not children. They're categorically different. Under no circumstances is that a defense of this horrible woman's abuse of power. | /r/MensRights | 10/09/25 09:44 AM |
| 5 | It's sickening how much female pedophiles are idolized so much and defended.If you really feel the need to draw a distinction between pedophilia and ephebopbilia in a non clinical setting, law enforcement should probably be investigating your devices. Are you seriously suggesting that pedantry is a sign of being a child rapist? That's a deeply offensive accusation to make. And yes, pedophilia and ephebophilia are very different things even if the law doesn't always acknowledge the distinction (the law should acknowledge the difference, in my view, and it does in many pl… | /r/MensRights | 10/09/25 09:36 AM |
| 2 | It's sickening how much female pedophiles are idolized so much and defended.Sure, I agree there. Like I said, "that woman committed an egregious breach of professional ethics" so I'm not defending her. | /r/MensRights | 10/09/25 09:33 AM |
| 24 | To all the gay men in this forumFeminism is putting up a facade that they are the only ones who can help and support gay men Yet lesbian feminists deliberately appropriated and subjugated the early gay rights movement. Ever since then, lesbians have been given a privileged position (as "double oppressed") within those spaces. And in a bitter irony, a lot of those lesbian feminists were political lesbians (i.e. bitter straight women who tried to make themselves gay to get revenge on men), not actual lesbians. | /r/MensRights | 10/09/25 09:13 AM |
| 3 | Women’s Understanding Won’t Help — Because Pity Kills Desireto me it doesn't matter. I can become aggressive because my daddy hit me, but does it make it better? Understood? maaaybe. But not better. We are adults and have responsibility for our actions. Considering this thread is about men who want to be understood, understanding why they are angry actually is what they would prefer. In addition, I'm sure you understand there's a difference between an initiator and a respondent, between someone who is mean out of pure malice and someone who is mean out o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/25 09:01 AM |
| 38 | To all the gay men in this forumThey do it a lot. And when there are two men in a couple, they will always ask or at least constantly wonder who the top and who the bottom is (and tacitly presume all male/male relationships involve a more feminine bottom and a more masculine top). I mean, technically this is no different to straight men thinking a lot about lesbians and girl-on-girl. But the distinction is straight men get shamed and treated as oppressors and bigots for doing this, but straight women doing the gender-flip is s… | /r/MensRights | 10/09/25 08:34 AM |
| 18 | To all the gay men in this forumI'm bi too, and I have some friends who are women. But u/Thal-creates isn't wrong. Whilst not all women are homophobes, there are women who are bigoted and/or objectifying towards gay men, and cloak what they're doing in robes of false "allyship" that sometimes they even themselves believe. There are, yes, some gay men who are "one of the girls," but many gay men are *not*, and the way some women act towards gay men who aren't Fabulous Darlings Who'll Take Them Shopping is quite revoltingly enti… | /r/MensRights | 10/09/25 08:30 AM |
| 10 | It's sickening how much female pedophiles are idolized so much and defended.Oh I absolutely agree. That woman committed an egregious breach of professional ethics. | /r/MensRights | 10/09/25 08:13 AM |
| 2 | Women’s Understanding Won’t Help — Because Pity Kills DesireYes, that's what I'm saying. Many men on this sub have, many times before, made it very clear all they want is empathy/sympathy/understanding. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/25 07:56 AM |
| 6 | Women’s Understanding Won’t Help — Because Pity Kills Desirewe live in the world where nice comments about anyone in short supply. Fair point, but I was specifically asked what sympathy looked like. Demographics whom are treated more sympathetically are generally spoken more kindly of, even if we have to talk in terms of a quantified positive/negative balance. But also what i've seen is that those men say shit like "lets ban women from voting and distribute them among men" and then "why are you not nice to me, empathize with my struggles". Apart from the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/25 07:54 AM |
| 7 | It's sickening how much female pedophiles are idolized so much and defended.Is the crime legally referred to as "pedophilia" or "statutory rape"? In the US, the term "statutory rape" is often used for situations like these (from what I recall the exact term varies state to state). That said, even if it called "pedophilia" in legal statutes, the sexology definition of "pedophilia" is attraction to the prepubescent. Again, what she did is clearly immoral and against the law, but sexologists wouldn't consider her a pedophile on the basis of this crime, and legally speaking… | /r/MensRights | 10/09/25 05:43 AM |
| 2 | Women’s Understanding Won’t Help — Because Pity Kills DesireWho the heck wants empty empathy ? There have consistently been threads on this subreddit in which you have men asking for empathy/sympathy/understanding. So clearly SOME people want that. does it matter if i feel bad for Congonese , Sudanese or Palestine people if imdont do anything to help them? I get your point - performative empathy is often a cynical exercise in virtue signaling and often doesn't help that much. But your invocation of geopolitical examples creates a bit of a disconnect - em… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/25 04:12 AM |
| 13 | Women’s Understanding Won’t Help — Because Pity Kills DesireNicer comments on social media in discussions about men, for one. Basic common decency to men, even unattractive ones (no, "common decency" is NOT a euphemism for sex!). Allowing those genetically unfortunate men to have their venting spaces, subcultures, hobbies and places "for them" where they can commiserate, blow off steam, escape their sadness or process it, etc. Less stigmatizing of loner/loser/'spergy/nerdy men (the primary demographic that suffers a lack of romantic success and wants mor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/25 04:08 AM |
| 4 | It's sickening how much female pedophiles are idolized so much and defended.This isn't pedophilia. 17 is not a child - that's actually the age of consent in the UK, most US states and *above* the age of consent in Canada and Germany. However, the fact she was his teacher DOES make this act deeply sketchy at best (due to the power differential), and anyone who ignores that is being awful. If he's okay with it now, that's legit for him. If he's okay with it in the long run, that's legit for him. But she should be fired nonetheless because she violated a very important sta… | /r/MensRights | 10/09/25 03:58 AM |
| 9 | Why Not Protect/educate 18 year old women more?I am just curious why some the older, pilled men, don’t try and dissuade this behavior and ultimately protect/help the young men? Because men engage in overt intrasexual competition, and "pulling up the ladder" to their own advantage is literally what the typical opposite-sex-attracted man wants to do. It means his genes go on, the genes of other males don't. TRP isn't a group-interests-of-men effort. It isn't about making a cock cartel. If you wonder why men have such little in-group solidarity… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/25 03:46 AM |
| 1 | What’s the point of all the gender whining?I really don’t understand your first point about me LARPing. Let me reiterate it, then. I said that your statement (about "women have got the message now they're losing their healthcare") sounds like a what a leftist-whom-is-pretending-to-be-a-conservative-engaging-in-triumphalist-rhetoric would say. Your statement sounds like a leftist-who-has-no-real-understanding-of-their-opponent's-views' parody of what conservatives actually believe. Google "Ideological Turing Test." There are multiple Poli… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/25 03:38 AM |
| 15 | Women’s Understanding Won’t Help — Because Pity Kills DesireYou're tacitly presuming that what men-who-suffer-in-dating really want is sex, not sympathy. Here's the reality: currently, men-who-fail-in-dating get neither sex nor sympathy. For those men, sympathy without sex is an upgrade. It is also what they repeatedly say they want, over and over again. So let's say you're correct - that pity is a horniness-killer (for the record, I agree with that). So what? This doesn't justify withholding sympathy from men who suffer and want sympathy for that suffer… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/25 03:25 AM |
| 5 | What’s the point of all the gender whining?I’m not a conservative lol. Don’t know what gave you that impression. What I was saying is that your post came off as a leftist pretending to be a conservative, crowing about "taking women's healthcare away." Actual conservatives don't act that way. I'm a pro-choice libertarian, I am not a conservative, but I know how to sniff out a false-flagger or a bad-faith participant. You’re not a victim of someone tweeting about “manspreading” 10 years ago. I am however a victim of ongoing campaigns of cu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/09/25 11:32 PM |
| 3 | What’s the point of all the gender whining?The 2010’s were last decade, friend. Irrelevant, given how people will claim they're still victims of things that happened last to their great-grandparents. I think women got the message once their right to health care (abortion) was taken away from them. That's a delusionally Amerigocentric viewpoint. The matter became state-by-state in the USA, the rest of the West was not impacted, and many of those American states (even the red ones) either voted to retain abortion rights or didn't restrict … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/09/25 10:44 PM |
| 7 | What’s the point of all the gender whining?Talks about "Gender Whining" yet forgets that women's advocates have been spending at least 15-20 years whining about utterly trivial bullshit like manspreading, mansplaining, manthreading, manslamming, men telling edgy jokes on the internet, the atheist movement having too many men in it, men having preferences for entertainment IPs that don't center female characters or women's stories, and men liking buxom women in video games. But yeah, its totally the manosphere who started this. So what’s … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/09/25 06:31 AM |
| 5 | Question about feminist appropriation of historical figuresMill was a classical liberal feminist. So whilst he's a type of feminist, he's one of those types of feminist that the official feminist movement considers not feminist enough. Frankly, most MHRAs (me included) are, by the traditional definition, classical liberal feminists too. But the feminist movement has purged any and all liberalism and individualism from itself. | /r/MensRights | 09/09/25 12:41 AM |
| 8 | Female teachers are largely responsible for systematic misandry in the educational system.The education system is just designed better for girls, because females are just more agreeable and easily influenced, they follow orders more easily. You tell them to sit down and study this and do this assignment, and they're more likely to do it than boys. Bad reasoning for the reasons you've already had thrown at you. For one, it isn't consistent with the fact that the military and team sports (hierarchical collective-oriented institutions considered the height of manliness) are male dominat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/25 11:19 PM |
| 5 | Female teachers are largely responsible for systematic misandry in the educational system.Schools used to be way more strict and society demanded way more conformity out of people I'm sympathetic to this argument but you can fairly suggest an authoritarian disciplinary system built on shame, censure and druggings is just as controlling as one built on beatings. Indeed, Foucault would suggest the former is worse because it masquerades as kinder and gentler, whereas the latter is an obvious malevolence and hence obvious target. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/25 11:08 PM |
| 2 | United Nations Geneva @UNGeneva · 4h . @UNSRVAW Reem Alsalem welcomes new #Brazil bill that would scrap the Parental Alienation Law & the concept of “parental alienation”. “This initiative is an important step by legislators to bring Brazil in line with international human rights standards."I know a woman who's daughter was alienated against her by her father, so the idea that the concept of parental alienation is just a way for men to get back at women makes zero sense to me. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/25 08:04 AM |
| 19 | John Boyne, award winning author of The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas, who is gay, complains he's being attacked and censored from gay rights events by two straight women because he told the story of his own sexual abuseThey're both. Homomisandrists. Gay men always got more gay-bashings than lesbian women. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/25 05:57 AM |
| 2 | Why have a small segment men at the top let women run rampant in society?Please provide me evidence for this that doesn't come from either a conservative Christian think-tank or a radical anti-porn-feminist one. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/25 02:34 AM |
| 2 | Men and women are naturally antagonisticI don't disagree with you necessarily, but how is this relevant to men's rights? Its a Redpill/MGTOW argument you're making here - not one about rights claims. I do think that its fair to model a relationship as one where two people are basically negotiating the terms of a business agreement, and such negotiations are subject to all the problems you find discussed in Contract Theory (the Hold-Up Problem being the big one). Both participants are looking to maximize their own individual net benefi… | /r/MensRights | 08/09/25 01:25 AM |
| 2 | Men and women are naturally antagonisticVery transactional view of courtship and relationships. That doesn't make it wrong. All relationships are, in some way, transactions since your time and effort (which you're spending on another) has an opportunity cost. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/25 01:22 AM |
| 58 | John Boyne, award winning author of The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas, who is gay, complains he's being attacked and censored from gay rights events by two straight women because he told the story of his own sexual abuseTypical. The biggest beneficiaries of "social justice" have always been white women. Plus, the cancellers are both debut novelists. Publishing is a rapidly shrinking industry disappearing up its own anus because it is so gynocentric and upper-class and obsessed with identity politics (hence sales have cratered because no one outside of their bubble wants to read this crap). There's only so much room for Lit Fic these days, so the competition is intense. Getting other authors cancelled is a compe… | /r/MensRights | 08/09/25 01:02 AM |
| 0 | Why have a small segment men at the top let women run rampant in society?It's a form of costly signaling (show off just how alpha you are by making benevolent giveaways) and intrasexual competition (increase competition faced by normie men by encouraging women to compete against them, thus putting another obstacle in front of potential challengers). If sites like OnlyFans benefitted men OnlyFans does benefit men. All voluntary transactions in a market are assessed to be mutually beneficial by the participants, because otherwise they wouldn't make the transaction in t… | /r/MensRights | 07/09/25 11:58 PM |
| 1 | The left lost the culture war with young men due to overcorrecting for toxic masculinitySo much for believing in equality for the socially marginalized, then. Clearly, you're fine with biologically stratified hierarchies, so long as you get to choose whom is at the top and whom is at the bottom of them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/25 10:43 PM |
| 2 | I'm starting to believe that the "women are only attracted to the top 20% of attractive men" rule is only true for Autistic malesWhy are you acting like women and progressives aren’t promoting neurodiversity? The glaring gap between what they say ("we support the Neurodiverse!") and what they do (they've spent the last ten to fifteen years engaging in ruthless colonialism against the subcultures of neurodiverse males). The reality is that politics is a numbers game, and there is an unavoidable choice between 'sperg males and females. The latter have more votes. It may not make people want to date you I'm not asking for da… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/25 10:42 PM |
| 2 | Female Evolutionary Psychologist Theorizes Modern Feminism As Competitive Reproduction StrategyThe theory of feminism-as-female-intrasexual-competition is interesting, but there's a problem with it... Are feminists succeeding? If the goal is to decrease potential competition from other women's children, presumably the women pushing for feminism are having quite a few kids themselves whilst sabotaging other women's romantic chances. Instead, we're seeing feminists themselves choosing not to breed... either through making themselves sexually unappealing, or being lesbians, or just choosing … | /r/MensRights | 07/09/25 09:54 AM |
| 3 | MRAs should reject PETER HITCHENS' conservative lament that feminism turned women into 'wage slaves with nightmare lives'. The male breadwinner gender stereotype is not good for men.Agreed. This whole "women find it so hard at work" thing makes me groan. Men often face deep challenges in their jobs/careers, too. | /r/MensRights | 07/09/25 09:17 AM |
| 2 | Minnesota man leaves prison after serving 27 years for a murder he didn't commitI like to call that phenomenon "Emmet Till Feminism." | /r/MensRights | 07/09/25 08:46 AM |
| 1 | Judging someone for their sexual past is more misandrist than it is misogynistic.When i say effort i mean basically none whatsoever. Breathing is relatively effortless too, but we don't have disgust reactions towards that bodily function. For men the idea of woman having many partners isn't much of a turn on to begin with. Since most guys preferences are against that. And the best theory to explain this preference is an evolutionary one, because there is no rational ethical case against women sleeping around but for men sleeping around. Slut-shaming of women by men is the pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/25 08:39 AM |
| 1 | Huge gender divide in higher education across the EU. Italy ranks second-to-last in the EU for degree attainment as the situation worsens. OP: Nothing will be done. The western world will not recover.I honestly don't think this will work out well... for the women. As AI greatly reduces a lot of white collar clerical office work (the jobs women generally prefer), a lot of women will have gotten useless degrees in bullshit fields and be saddled with student debt whilst having fewer economic opportunities. Meanwhile, the trades remain male-dominated. Tradesmen are already making quite good money in many countries (the market price is adjusting because we've artificially overproduced university-… | /r/MensRights | 07/09/25 08:35 AM |
| 8 | Judging someone for their sexual past is more misandrist than it is misogynistic.Yes because for women no effort needs to put into getting with men Plenty of things that we consider acceptable or even good are relatively low effort. The "effort" argument rationally justifies stud-praising, but it doesn't rationally justify slut-shaming. It makes much more sense to see male disgust for female promiscuity as something evolved, because it isn't really rationally justifiable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/25 08:12 AM |
| 1 | Judging someone for their sexual past is more misandrist than it is misogynistic.Thank you. Glad you liked the theory I proposed. However I don't think there's much academic literature on it, because the discourse on slut-shaming is dominated by feminists and they prefer a "misogyny" explanation and see the "stud v slut" thing as an unfair double standard... when in reality the standard is consistent for both sexes and across all sexual orientations - taking cock is perceived as degrading. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/25 08:00 AM |
| 16 | Judging someone for their sexual past is more misandrist than it is misogynistic.Ahhh yes, this is what I like to call the "penis as defiler" theory of slut-shaming. It isn't a double standard, rather it's an aversion to anyone whom is seen as having taken cock. This theory also conveniently explains "bottom shaming" among gay men ("ewww, slutty bottom"), as well as the concept of "gold star lesbians" ("yay, completely untainted by dick") in the lesbian community. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/25 07:21 AM |
| – | How has the success of the Netflix series "Adolescence" helped men?If anything I believe the show will drive more distrust and negativity towards loner and disadvantaged boys and men, further driving radicalisation although we are still talking single digit conversion rates at worst. Loner/loser/introvert/'sperg/nerd men have always been hated, and simultaneously mocked and bullied remorselessly whilst at the same time being thought of as school-shooters-in-waiting. Here's the thing - if someone sincerely and truly believed nerds/'spergs/misfits/etc were an imm… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/25 04:09 AM |
| 4 | I'm starting to believe that the "women are only attracted to the top 20% of attractive men" rule is only true for Autistic malesI agree with you. The Manosphere in general is really about Asperger's Syndrome. Of course, our neurodiversity gets us nothing and we're culturally marginalized and mocked (even in our own spaces - nerd culture was the first victim of feminist entryism). Despite the fact that our neuroatypicality is as neurologically real as sexual orientation. Why doesn't the Social Justice movement care about us? We already know why - there are more annoying leftist women than 'spergy men, and the average woma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/25 02:22 AM |
| 1 | The left lost the culture war with young men due to overcorrecting for toxic masculinityI love it when lefties unironically embrace Social Darwinism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/25 01:57 AM |
| 1 | The left lost the culture war with young men due to overcorrecting for toxic masculinityBut it seems they'd unironically even rather lose abortion rights and whatever else than ever "stoop to" the level of even considering a single men's issue To be entirely fair, that's a very Amerigocentric issue. The rest of the West does not have the same abortion preoccupation or fights over it that the US has. Hell, in the US that fight is totally driven by extremists who want either a total ban on elective abortion under all circumstances, or believe that elective abortion should be availabl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/25 01:51 AM |
| 1 | The left lost the culture war with young men due to overcorrecting for toxic masculinityAnti-vaxxers were more commonly found on the left than the right pre-COVID. Then COVID happened and the US public health establishment demonstrably proved themselves to be a bunch of self-interested tyrants who'll engage in scientific fraud and mass destruction of civil liberties to advance their own agenda. The left had to choose between "crunchy" organic green-juice-chugging health-nuttery or worship-of-bureaucracies-ran-by-experts. They picked the latter. The consequence of that choice is RFK… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/25 01:38 AM |
| 1 | The left lost the culture war with young men due to overcorrecting for toxic masculinitya gay is not a problem solver Gays are disproportionately high-IQ, and they're overrepresented in the STEM fields, so to say they aren't problem solvers is quite silly. If you're exclusively talking about the toxically-feminine 'fabulous darling' type of gay dude, though, you may have a point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/25 01:18 AM |
| 63 | Are the top 10% of men a threat to our movement?I agree that the "Chads" are a threat to men's rights, but not for the reasons you claim. Short reason - the beneficiaries of the gender system (such as Chads) are not going to be interested in overthrowing it. | /r/MensRights | 03/09/25 02:06 AM |
| 2 | Gen Z men are significantly more single because Gen Z women are dating each other - it's not because of women going for top x% of men all in situationships or whatever else redpillers claimIf that's true, why do so many still struggle with coming out? You can go to any LGBT space and see people talking about being afraid to come out to people. I don't think this true at all that it's seen as cool over all among Gen Z to be LGBTQIA+. I never said it is seen as cool for ALL Gen Z. In addition, Gen Z-ers have many other people they interact with in life whom are not Gen-Z (their parents, for example). So that would explain why coming out is still hard for many. Yes, coming out is sti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/25 01:35 AM |
| 3 | Gen Z men are significantly more single because Gen Z women are dating each other - it's not because of women going for top x% of men all in situationships or whatever else redpillers claimGen Z women are more than 2.5 times likely to identify as LGBTQIA+ than Gen Z men. So a reasonable explanation for why more gen z men are single than gen z women is the latter gave up on men and are dating each other at higher rates. That reasoning is flawed. Identifying as a sexual minority is one thing. Being of that sexual minority is another, especially when you consider three factors: In certain subcultural spaces that are dominated by Gen-Z-ers, being a sexual minority is considered "cool"… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/25 12:39 AM |
| 3 | Where does the idea that "sex is not a reward" come from?Rationalization hamster? To be clear, I said "if I were cynical" beforehand. I wasn't personally accusing you of rationalizing. I was pointing out that there's a long-running pattern I'm familiar with (not from you, but in discussions like this more broadly) where a lot of women and those-advocating-for-women's-interests will claim to be against traditionalism... until traditionalism benefits them. I gave you a very specific and clear reason I think equal expectations don’t work. How is it fair … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/25 11:28 PM |
| 2 | Women using antidepressants more often than men doesn't mean they secretly want to be tradwives.The trad community is all about an idealistic fantasy that has little to do with women's real experiences. I wouldn't disagree. Idealized 50s housewifedom was a very specific, historically-atypical and culturally-bound situtation. It wasn't a representative example of human female existence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/25 10:37 PM |
| 2 | Why do so many men here keep demanding empathy ?Taking about being happy that some places have girls 16 as legal age. You mean like in Canada and Germany? Last I checked, both of these are modern, relatively wealthy (although Germany is impoverishing itself with bad economic choices) liberal democracies. Why are they wrong about setting the age of sexual consent to 16? Calling women foids. Both sexes need venting spaces to rant about the other sex. Women have these. They say horrible things about men in those spaces. I'm happy to accept that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/25 10:36 PM |
| 16 | Women using antidepressants more often than men doesn't mean they secretly want to be tradwives.Are there people who think that women are taking antidepressants as a substitute for being trad wives? I've seen that argument made multiple times. Basically it goes as follows: 50s: low female participation rates in the workforce, cultural expectation of marriage and homemaking, less women on SSRIs. Afterwards: Women join workforce, cultural expectations relaxed, women's rates of mental illness and SSRI use went through the roof. Conclusion: tradwifery is better for women's mental health. Of co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/25 12:42 PM |
| 2 | Did suffragette really won voting rights for women?The UK Suffragettes (Pankhurst etc) weren't advocates for universal suffrage. They were wealthy women who opposed "Coverture" (the practice in English law which transferred a woman's property to her husband upon marriage), because that made wealthy women lose their property and consequent right to vote (voting rights at the time were for landowners only). They were also opponents of how their husbands would sometimes cheat and leave them destitute as a result (since he got her property upon marr… | /r/MensRights | 30/08/25 07:15 AM |
| 5 | Why do so many men here keep demanding empathy ?none of the people who constantly preach about empathy actually have any. Agreed. There are actually multiple studies backing this claim up, too. So much "I support this good thing" is performative social signaling ("virtue signaling") driven by immediate social politics (i.e. gaining and guarding status within one's social circle). Not actual interest or genuine care about the "good thing" in question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/25 05:31 AM |
| – | Why do so many men here keep demanding empathy ?Like why should women even "care"? Men regularly get told that men should care for women, just because its "the right thing to do," with no concern for their own benefit or interests. If that is a true moral standard (i.e. universally applicable to all human beings), surely asking women to care for men because that's what decent people do is valid, no? Personally, I'm very happy to make "it is in the interests of your sex to care about the interests of the other sex" arguments instead, but I'm n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/25 05:26 AM |
| 1 | Where does the idea that "sex is not a reward" come from?Just FYI, I don't really think there are any non-semantic debates I have with this post of yours so if you'd like to continue, please do so from my other reply. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/25 01:08 AM |
| 1 | Where does the idea that "sex is not a reward" come from?I have a hard time believing, women have zero expectations placed on them. I should be specific - I mean "zero expectations" in the sense of careerism vs. homemaking. There are other expectations (although other women enforce these at least as much as men allegedly do) placed on women, but on this particular issue its simple: a woman can be a homemaker, a careerist, or a work-life balancer, but a man is expected to be a full-time careerist and support a woman and children no matter what choice s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/25 01:04 AM |
| 2 | Male sexuality is a net harm to women and women are better off decentering men or entering relationships with each other.Okay... so here's a summary of your summary. Single fathers may be better than single mothers, but this is due to socioeconomic factors, not male parents being tougher disciplinarians (which is what you alleged). Two biological parents are very good, but adoptive parents of different sexes can produce perfectly acceptable results. A substantial majority of the studies on same-sex parenting show comparable results to opposite-sex couples, and the studies that show inferior results are outliers th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/25 06:48 AM |
| – | Male sexuality is a net harm to women and women are better off decentering men or entering relationships with each other.I'm going to go through this shortly, but your *absolute rudeness* (insulting me through talking about feminizing and 'pussifying' the language) is not proper debating behavior. I'll get back to you after reading the summary you provided. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/25 06:38 AM |
| 3 | Male sexuality is a net harm to women and women are better off decentering men or entering relationships with each other.You're the one advocating the superiority of a specific model of parenting, so you're making the affirmative claim. Surely you can cite evidence to back it up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/25 05:24 AM |
| 3 | Male sexuality is a net harm to women and women are better off decentering men or entering relationships with each other.I think that gays and single women in particular should not be allowed to adopt children. Even if it can be proven that allowing these groups to adopt is better than leaving a child in foster care? Make the hard cost/benefit tradeoffs. There are simply insufficient opposite-sex couples interested in adopting all the orphans, so "every child should get an ideal family" is not on the table. Yes, every child should get a fucking pony, too, but that's economically unfeasible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/25 05:23 AM |
| 6 | Is "Women And Children" a Misandrist Term?I've said it once and I'll it again, it isn't punishing men The effect is to punish men, even if the motivation isn't. Personal safety is more important than your hurt feelings. As shown by your responses to others in this discussion, your refusal to apply this logic to any other demographic says everything. Either bite the bullet and apply it to racial minority groups, or to women when there are situations in which women are the problem, or just admit you're okay with legal discrimination again… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/25 05:20 AM |
| 4 | Germany moves closer to bringing back compulsory military conscription for men onlyIsrael is perceived as: Unduly influential on the foreign policy decisions of other countries (see AIPAC in the USA), and Having closed borders and a strict immigration policy whilst creating refugee crises that send radicalized fundamentalist third-world immigrants into western (particularly European) nations In brief, Israel is seen as imposing costs on other nations. Whether or not this is a fair assessment is another question, but that's the perception. | /r/MensRights | 29/08/25 04:36 AM |
| 9 | Is "Women And Children" a Misandrist Term?Edit: 9 out of 10 women on the Mexico city public metro experiencing sexual harassment isnt a minority. But the perpetrators are a minority of men. Punishing all men for the actions of a minority of men is, as /u/Grow_peace_in_Bedlam correctly said, collective punishment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/25 04:25 AM |
| 1 | Where does the idea that "sex is not a reward" come from?PART 2 OF 2 it seems women value relationships a bit less than men I disagree there. Women are pickier, sure, but they absolutely idolize relationships and commitment (from a desirable man) more than men fantasize about such things from women. Commitment and dedication is a feminine fantasy pandered to rather ruthlessly by the entertainment industry (literally every romance novel is about this and that's the most lucrative sector in all of publishing - and women dominate that industry so you can… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/25 01:02 AM |
| 1 | Where does the idea that "sex is not a reward" come from?PART 1 Something can be fulfilling and a sacrifice at the same time. These are not contradictory. We might be using these terms somewhat differently. This may be contributing to confusion between us. When I say "sacrifice" I am not talking about short-term costs for longer-term benefits (I'd call that an "investment"). And to be clear, when I use "cost" and "benefit" here I'm not trying to appeal to any notion of objective costs and benefits - for simplicity's sake I'm using the economic definit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/25 01:00 AM |
| 1 | Yes, women do like assholes more than nice guys, its not just because they're physically attractiveThe subjectivity of "asshole-ness" is a good point. That said, it may actually back up the OP to some degree. TRPers and the like often are on the Autism Spectrum. So for them, mild occasional teasing is a cruel slight, it is assholeness (I'm on the spectrum and I remember how awful childhood 'teasing' was yet other people telling me to treat it as a 'harmless joke' etc). So, presuming TRP appeals disproportionately to people with ASD traits, "be an asshole" may be exactly what they need to hear… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 11:23 PM |
| -1 | Male sexuality is a net harm to women and women are better off decentering men or entering relationships with each other.That's a theoretical argument based upon extremely contestable - and in my view misandrist and parental-alienating-by-default - view of the "proper" role of the male and female parent, built on an excruciating tradcon "spare the rod, spoil the child" viewpoint of how children should be parented. I asked for evidence. Empirics. Testing. The leftist gay type doesn’t even know the difference between a man and woman Not all gay men subscribe to leftist/SJW ideology and you should know it. Seriously,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 11:17 PM |
| 2 | Yes, women do like assholes more than nice guys, its not just because they're physically attractiveI agree that in a psychological context there's a very important place for gentler, therapeutic rhetoric depending on the needs of the client/patient. But... and maybe this is just from my own relatively hardheaded brutal-honest 'sperg-brain perspective... surely the therapeutic context isn't the norm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 10:03 AM |
| 3 | Gender non-conformity can't really existI can only speak for myself, but I think what u/growframe is trying to suggest is that one can come up with valid abstract concepts for "behavior more typical of males than females" (let's call that "masculinity") and "behavior more typical of females than males" (let's call that "femininity"). Ergo, one can in theory arrive at valid "gender" concepts without alleging a metaphysically real essence or form of gender. (You know we're quickly moving into Problem Of Universals territory, here. Yay, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 10:01 AM |
| 1 | Where does the idea that "sex is not a reward" come from?Women also sacrifice a lot for their children, arguably more than men. I was initially planning to say that I'm not saying otherwise. However there are lots of women who absolutely want to stay home and consider raising their children more fulfilling than careerism. This is one of the reasons that even in allegedly-egalitarian societies like Norway and Sweden, the "Gender Equality Paradox" is a thing. So maybe many women do not really think of childrearing as self-sacrifice? That said, sure, som… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 09:52 AM |
| 14 | Gender non-conformity can't really existYou're struggling with this thing called "Gender Essentialism." Trust me, its not real. There's no magical, mind-independently-real Essence Of Masculinity/Form of Masculinity, or the corresponding for Femininity. There are only sex stereotypes/expectations (which are socially constructed and normative), and valid empirical abstractions based on population-level tendencies of each sex (which are descriptive abstractions that may be valid or invalid depending on the data underlying them). This is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 09:06 AM |
| 0 | Male sexuality is a net harm to women and women are better off decentering men or entering relationships with each other.Ahhh yes, Lesbian Feminism. A classic radfem practice. Guess what? Women had political lesbianism, but men never had a movement of political gayness. What does that say about which sex's homosexuality is more favored? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 08:58 AM |
| 2 | Male sexuality is a net harm to women and women are better off decentering men or entering relationships with each other.What "red-pilled" me (although I'm purple) was porn made by women, for women. All the sicko rape noncon choking shit comes from that. The vast, vast minority of men find noncon or choking erotic. Trust me, if "pornsick" is a thing (it isn't, but that's another question), there are at least as many pornsick women out there, both consuming and making sicker porn than the usual stuff made for straight dudes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 08:57 AM |
| 2 | Male sexuality is a net harm to women and women are better off decentering men or entering relationships with each other.I'd like to see some evidence for this claim. Almost all the evidence I've seen has been that two legally-committed parents produce superior results to single mothers, but a lot of specific studies on same-sex parents get negative results through inserting unscientific value judgments like "the kid smoked pot once, ergo the kid was ruined by gay parenting." Also, when it comes to adopting children, the alternative to same-sex couples adopting isn't an opposite-sex couple adopting that child inst… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 08:53 AM |
| 2 | Where does the idea that "sex is not a reward" come from?Which demands for unilateral self-sacrifice? Clearly you aren't nearly as familiar with traditional male gender roles, and what they involved, as you like to think. Literally the very core of masculinity is, and remains, the idea of sacrificing yourself for your woman or children or country. That is the absolutely enshrined cultural ideal of 'real manhood'. I live in Germany, which in the West I'm from the Anglosphere and I know at least some cultural norms about gender are less polarized in Con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 08:14 AM |
| 3 | Yes, women do like assholes more than nice guys, its not just because they're physically attractiveWhen did dark traid became a attractive personality ? I think you're misreading OP. OP basically said a small sprinkling of Dark Triad traits is hot. In addition, sometimes these traits can have consequences many women find hot (social adroitness, success and status, etc). OP is not saying that women literally want to date sociopathic serial killers (outside of that small number of Hybristophiliacs I guess), or clinically-diagnosed narcissists. Using the word "asshole" may be rhetorical exaggera… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 06:16 AM |
| 6 | Yes, women do like assholes more than nice guys, its not just because they're physically attractivee.g. speaking the truth even when it would people Is that really mean though? Yes, I know you're speaking in terms of Golden Means and "just a touch is a nice spice, but no one wants the whole chilli pepper." But brutal honesty is arguably kinder than lying, since the truth allows people to better achieve their own goals and interests. In addition, lying to people to spare their feelings can be deeply manipulative (i.e. Machiavellian) depending on the implementation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 06:09 AM |
| 5 | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?Are all redpills/incels autistic? Not all, but they're very disproportionately heavy on the 'tism traits. And multiple studies have shown that Asperger's is basically a passport to inceldom. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 04:25 AM |
| 2 | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?But if a man says any of it in my presence (online or physical) and we aren't in a safe space, I'll respond however I please. Sure. But we are talking about the deliberate suppression of single-sex safe spaces for men, here. Not places where you are "present." And deliberately inserting yourself into such a place in order to make yourself "present" in order to be offended (and I'm not accusing you of doing this - other women have done this but not necessarily you) isn't acceptable, either. It ce… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 03:31 AM |
| 2 | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?Perhaps instead of "support" I should've said "cease opposition," I'll grant that. But my point should've been obvious. If you, as you said, support men decentering women, you should at least ask your fellow women to cease opposing men's decentering of women. And yes, this necessarily includes venting spaces where rhetorical meanness can be indulged in. Both sexes should have venting spaces to express the frustrations they have with the other sex. MGTOW is just the male version of this: Let's Ge… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 03:19 AM |
| 3 | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?I'm sorry, but you (or women) don't have the right to decide the terms upon which men are allowed to decenter women. The same is true for the gender-flip. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 03:00 AM |
| 3 | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?I absolutely support men decentering women. Thank you. Now, if you could please encourage your fellow women to have such support, that would be great! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 02:47 AM |
| 1 | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?If this is just about not catering to their feelings, then you're correct. I'm not going to do that. Translation: "I actively get pleasure from looking down on and hurling abuse at people with an objectively real neurodevelopmental condition, and I will not stop bullying them because fuck them, they all deserve to suffer and I wish they would just disappear." You can have whatever attitude you please. But trust me, 'spergs notice this disparate treatment. We notice in a world of "tolerance" and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 02:46 AM |
| 7 | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?I'm presuming that by "engaging with" you mean "attempting to date." Well yes, there's this whole thing called MGTOW which is about choosing not to date women (*complaining to fellow men on the internet* is NOT "engaging with" women). That got banned due to feminist activists. Again, you don't need to "do anything" for 'spergy loser no-hope men. Just stop sabotaging their self-help attempts (including but not limited to those focused on decentering women). It really is that simple. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 02:42 AM |
| 1 | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?For one, you're forgetting that maybe for that particular cohort, being out of the dating pool is better for them and their own interests. For two, if you think you can do better than TRP, offer a better product. But we already know by now, you don't really care about them. You literally have offered defenses of hurling abuse at them and said they're hopeless pity-cases that should basically be left alone to rot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 02:37 AM |
| 6 | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?Calling them "losers" is abuse, not advice. Also, the function of TRP blackpilling people is not to demoralize them, hurt them, degrade them, or to give you pleasure (which is what the purpose of you abusing them is). The purpose is to explain to them how they can better pursue their own self interest, for their own sake. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 02:32 AM |
| 1 | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?There's a reason why the manosphere focuses so much on single moms: that's the type of woman they socialize with. Yet it never occurs to them to just dismiss single moms altogether and ignore them. Why? Now you're just trying to change the topic. I'm making a qualified defense of TRP by saying it helps deprogram 'spergs from a set of beliefs that are harmful to themselves, and I'm arguing that a non-negligible slice of opposition to TRP is really driven by women's self-interested desires to reta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 02:29 AM |
| 4 | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?The fact you aren't even capable of confronting this topic without descending into "omg worthless losers lol" just proves all of my criticisms and all of my allegations. Not to mention, if TRP doesn't make a 'sperg get laid, it might still improve his life by helping him recognize that romantic love or short-term sex isn't on his cards and instead he should re-allocate his efforts and resources to other things that make him happy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 02:20 AM |
| 1 | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?Your assessment of any other woman's quality is irrelevant. In the sexual marketplace, people are pursuing their own short-term erotic satisfaction goals according to their own values and priorities. They evaluate potential partners by their own value scale. Not your value scale. And not by any alleged morally-superior or morally-correct value scale. But by whether or not the person-being-evaluated is an effective means to the person-performing-evaluation's sexual ends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 02:17 AM |
| – | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?Apart from the fact that treating any other disability group as a "lost cause" who should basically die would be frowned upon greatly, you don't have to do anything. Men are already, if imperfectly, trying to fix this problem by building explicit praxeologies of heterosexual dating, presented in digestible abstract format. All you have to do is stop opposing them from doing such. Presuming you actually care about them fixing themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 02:13 AM |
| 2 | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?If popular media exposure cured ASD characteristics or prevented the kind/s of societally-widespread misconceptions about dating that ASD men seem prone to fall into, there would be no problem in the first place. For all of TRPs imperfections (and there are several), it is actually speaking to that demographic, in terms that demographic understands, and in a manner that prioritizes their goals and interests. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 02:09 AM |
| 1 | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?That is such a bigoted statement I barely know where to begin. And yes, Aspies absolutely do see the difference between how *their* neurominority status is treated versus how *other* abused demographics are treated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 02:05 AM |
| – | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?That is not a solution. It is a vague, infinitely-elastic platitude. I mean, "better people" by what standard or for what purpose? You can't just turn someone into a neurotypical or "socially well-adjusted" (which is just a euphemism for neurotypical) person by having them hang out in public spaces frequently. It doesn't work that way. Again, what is wrong with simply telling these men the precise, unvarnished truth in terms they will understand? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 02:04 AM |
| 1 | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?In hard objective data, yes. In interpersonal communication, no, unless it is expressed in explicit abstractions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 01:55 AM |
| – | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?Let's say that's true. It may be. So how do you fix that? I'm getting the impression you don't want there to be an actual fix. You just want these men to rot in their delusions, perhaps go away and vanish. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 01:51 AM |
| – | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?We all know the reasons are: Virtue signalling. Desire to preserve benevolent sexism. Subconscious drive to filter autistic traits out of the dating pool. Being absolutely honest preserves aim 3 (blackpilling young men means less losers will approach women at all), but contravenes aims 1 (since it tacitly admits women are just as appearance-driven as men) and 2 (since it means no-hope losers will not mal-invest in women they have no chance with anyway). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 12:59 AM |
| – | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?I've been getting the "be attractive" message since I was a child lol As your flair says, you're a woman. Society basically 'blackpills' women about male sexuality from a very young age. Alternatively, it could be argued women in general are better at picking up nonverbal communication and have a better intuitive grasp of the tacit, implicit, subtle, body language etc. But in either case, the point is that at least a cohort of men are not getting the message at the necessary level of clarity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 12:53 AM |
| – | What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances?How did everyone else pick up on this, but you needed to “be told”? It's called Autism Spectrum Characteristics. Which means the lack of explicitly verbally telling the truth in exact words (with no 'diplomacy' or sugar-coating or other rationalizations-for-deception) is a form of institutionalized ableism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 12:50 AM |
| 1 | Where does the idea that "sex is not a reward" come from?I’m a bit confused a about the term prosocial behavior. I’m guessing you mean contributing to society? Working and such? Rewards for this already exist - when you work, you get money, which gets you a higher standard of living. To clarify, by prosocial behavior I am NOT talking about economic contribution alone. I agree that monetary incentives exist for that. I mean benevolent behavior that isn't otherwise paid for. Even basic civility is contingent upon reciprocity and a lot of men not-unfairl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 11:19 PM |
| 1 | Where does the idea that "sex is not a reward" come from?I would say the impact is probably just not large enough to be relevant on a societal scale, since men who are manipulative and sociopathic (also isn’t sociopathy an condition someone is born with, rather than something one choose to be?) are a small minority of the general population. That small minority can still do a lot of damage. If the small sociopathic minority were not really consequential, we probably wouldn't be so invested in creating a justice system etc. And yes, there are neuroatyp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 01:21 PM |
| 5 | Where does the idea that "sex is not a reward" come from?I don’t agree that women’s preferences have a negative impact, since they are not on average choosing bad traits. Sure, they might choose a bad man because he’s very attractive / very good at sex etc, but they are not choosing him FOR his bad traits, so no, women are on average not insentivizing bad traits. I agree that women are not selecting for bad traits per se (although certain bad traits, like the dark triad ones, are correlated with traits many women select for - powerful men are more lik… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 09:07 AM |
| 2 | Where does the idea that "sex is not a reward" come from?Sure, I agree with you. That's why I said "sociologically irrelevant" rather than "ethically irrelevant." The point I am trying to make is that there's still a phenomenon that deserves to be talked about. I mean normally if there's a social structure or incentive pattern that incentivizes bad things, we discuss it, and try to manage it or ameliorate it (no, this does not mean we need to reverse the sexual revolution). Let's look at this very thread: people were protesting over the word "reward" … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 08:00 AM |
| 2 | I think the red pill enables women to take less accountabilityI agree that TRP makes excuses for the worst of the human female lizard brain, and consequently can encourage benevolent sexism and undermine efforts to treat women like adults. And I greatly respect you for refusing to date terrible women. Good for you. We need more men like that. Here's the problem though: there are lots of heterosexual men who, for whatever reason (be it social mandates to Prove Their Manhood through Crushing Pussy, or be it purely a matter of hormones... personally I believe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 03:08 AM |
| 12 | If women drop “hints” for men to catch, but only other women catch them - the issue is w/them & their “hints”; not men.As a woman who communicates directly (I'm neurodivergent), I often find it hard to understand a significant portion of women as well. This makes sense. The indirect communication/coy courtship/please read my mind/etc. games are played by women as a way to screen out asperger's men (other neurodivergences aren't the ones being screened out). Why? They want a man who is capable of playing social politics, climbing social hierarchies, becoming tribal chieftain etc., and they don't want to get knock… | /r/MensRights | 27/08/25 01:30 AM |
| 0 | Why doesn't Red Pill offer more mental health support for men?I have to disagree with you in part. You're falling prey to a bias where you treat the kind of man who goes on Reddit and participates in TRP threads... basically a high-systemizing nerd... as if they were the male norm. I call it "nerd normativity." Its false. The average normie man is just as much a reality-indifferent, lizard-brain-enthralled emotionalist tribalist as a Basic Becky, as long as they can get away with it (to be fair, since culture tends to hold them to higher standards of respo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 12:04 AM |
| 3 | Where does the idea that "sex is not a reward" come from?Agreed. So if we agree sex plays an incentivizing role, can we agree that if women (on average) are choosing to have sex with men who display a specific set of characteristics A/B/C, and declining to have sex with men who display characteristics D/E/F, that women are contributing to/reinforcing/perpetuating a specific incentive structure (even if unintentionally) that encourages A/B/C characteristics in men and dissuades D/E/F characteristics? Note: I am not saying women are responsible for ever… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 11:53 PM |
| 1 | Where does the idea that "sex is not a reward" come from?Sure, but the OP's underlying point is that even if certain behaviors aren't *intended as rewards*, they still have incentive effects on how others act. Predictable ones. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 11:29 PM |
| 3 | How do you even engage on leftism as a man?A majority is a subset by definition. That said I agree you're right that the kind of leftist we're talking about (the SJW) is in control of the present-day left, and they've driven out a lot of people from their side... civil-libertarian leftists/social-liberals, for example, have basically been driven to the right. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/25 08:23 AM |
| 1 | Where does the idea that "sex is not a reward" come from?You've always engaged in debates very honestly here, so I'm very averse to saying this, but are you deliberately making the distinction just so you can claim some sort of male entitlement on the part of OP? Or, IIRC you're Russian. Are you aware that in English, even if reward and incentive and benefit don't always mean the same thing, in common everyday speech they're often used as synonyms? Because the easiest and most common-sense way to interpret the OP is that when he said "reward" he meant… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 07:52 AM |
| 1 | Where does the idea that "sex is not a reward" come from?Sure, you can redefine reward however you want, but words have meanings. Okay, well how about you change "reward" to "incentive" and otherwise keep the OP's post the same.... could you perhaps do this and then repeat your analysis? Because even if sex isn't a reward, the vast majority of men do in fact consider sex an incentive and alter their behavior accordingly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 07:17 AM |
| 11 | The Equal Rights AmendmentThe ERA, if it is passed without the Hayden Rider (an amendment to it which explicitly, in exact words, protects historic female privilege), might be positive. However, as a matter of American constitutional law, you can fairly argue that the ERA is already implied in the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause. There are even leading Textualist/Originalist scholars (often considered conservative) who argue that the 14th Amendment, correctly understood, already forbids sex discrimination. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/25 06:01 AM |
| 8 | Why doesn't Red Pill offer more mental health support for men?Many TRPers are understandably skeptical of therapy. They see the profession as being gynocentric and embracing ideological feminism. They're not entire unjustified in doing so, given those infamous APA guidelines that were released a few years ago, and most of those in training to become therapists are women. In addition, as others have said, TRP is a theory about how heterosexual romance operates. It isn't a grand unifying theory of psychology or psychopathology. Asking TRP to provide a comple… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 04:59 AM |
| 3 | How do you even engage on leftism as a man?My main issue with this subset of ideas is how everything seems to be framed as a product of oppression, with an almost puritan mindset behind it And that's a fair complaint to have. It does, in fact, postulate that every single social structure, convention and institution in our society is the product of some form of oppression. A multi-axis version of Marxism, one could say (even if orthodox Marxists do not accept it as valid). And yes, it is awfully oversimplifying. Not to mention it is bad m… | /r/MensRights | 26/08/25 12:27 AM |
| 17 | How do you even engage on leftism as a man?I'm on the libertarian right, but you're talking about a subset of leftists, not all leftists. I do agree that you're correct in describing that subset of leftists you talk about, and that particular subset of leftists has a terrifying level of cultural clout in our society these days. However, there are left-wing men's rights activists (see the subreddit LeftWingMaleAdvocates). And not all MRAs, even of the self-proclaimed right, are traditionalist or disagree that there are issues with traditi… | /r/MensRights | 25/08/25 11:56 PM |
| 6 | A "Hyper-Feminized" Educational System and EconomyI don't like tradcons, but it is a matter of fact that public educational systems have (for decades) been ran gynocentrically. Take, for example, the switch from Phonics to "Whole-Word" reading. The former is far more effective (for both sexes, by the way), but the latter produces less disparity between the sexes. This is the reason "Whole-Word" was championed as a feminist initiative... even though it caused reading scores to plunge. Only relatively recently have people started realizing that w… | /r/MensRights | 25/08/25 11:24 PM |
| 16 | As a woman, what’s something I might not understand about the struggles men face?Perhaps THE core issue is that women are seen as "real women" and thus socially valuable by virtue of their anatomy, whereas men are not. We have to EARN our "real manhood" and have it validated by various different social institutions in order for us to be perceived as socially valuable. This isn't necessarily all sunshine-and-hugs for women... the idea of a biologically innate anatomically centered femininity results in shitty things like Mandatory Motherhood and the marginalization of the age… | /r/MensRights | 25/08/25 10:19 PM |
| 2 | "You bring up the bad boys/Chad theme - just because you want to be bad and have sex!" - no, it's about the simple concept of justiceI usually don't like to agree with the bloops/feminists/gynocentrists, but their main critique of your argument is correct. Yes, you're right that fairness and reciprocity are important aspects of any social structure. Indeed, they're an innate evolutionary moral foundation (as Haidt has shown). If society wants pro-sociality they need to encourage it, not just via the stick but also via the carrot. The idea that "truly good people are pro-social Just Because" is ridiculous and flatly rejected b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 09:22 PM |
| 3 | The gynocentric right wing.There are certainly gynocentrists on the right as well as the left. I don't disagree with that. However, speaking as a libertarian rightist, the issue with immigration and integration of migrant communities is not entirely a misandry issue and nor is it entirely invalid (at least in some instances). Take, for example, the UK grooming gangs issue... that's a mixture of sex, culture/religion, classism (the victims were working class English girls), and most critically, an example of the Rule Of La… | /r/MensRights | 25/08/25 09:01 PM |
| 2 | The red pill humanizes womenThat's entirely false. "Normal dating advice works for most people" (which may indeed be true) doesn't invalidate the parallel demand of people who were (perhaps due to being neuroatypical themselves) failed by that advice. You missing it doesn’t justify the existence of a shitty ideology lol I don't agree with everything TRP says, but if you don't attempt to do better, you will never get rid of it. But clearly, you don't want to even try. Which is why I will pull the ableist card - if societal … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 08:20 PM |
| 5 | A lot of men who complain about attractive men being assholes and still getting laid are themselves bad men who wish they didn’t have to act like a good person in order to get laid.It is human nature to resent people who treat you like shit Agreed. while it's just fucked up to resent people who have nothing to do with your life and were simply born different. Whether it's fucked up or not, it is common. Not to mention, it is popularized to completely resent those raised in wealthy households. Again, they didn't choose to be born, yet resentment of them is frankly a powerful motivation of the political left. Again, I am not saying it is right. I'm saying it is common. Not t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 12:03 PM |
| 5 | A lot of men who complain about attractive men being assholes and still getting laid are themselves bad men who wish they didn’t have to act like a good person in order to get laid.it certainly isn’t human nature to resent others for something they have no control over. I disagree entirely. Remember that "this thing is human nature" doesn't morally justify it. There are elements of human nature that SHOULD be resisted, such as tribalism. But people with morals don’t give a shit about rewards, because rewards aren’t more valuable than your integrity. There are entire fields of philosophy that completely reject that. And at the end of the day, being a good person attracts go… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 11:08 AM |
| 18 | Micro Influencer Here: I Was Falsely Accused of Being a PDF File By the Alt Community and Fought BackI'm still in the alternative world when it comes to my music tastes... I knew a large number of years ago there was this annoying SJW running about, calling herself "Industrial Anti-Oppression" (she had a huge beef with Thomas Rainier of Nachtmahr). Has the scene gotten worse and more politicized? I have a friend who says the punk scene where he lived was totally destroyed by SJWs, but I'm more from the goth/industrial side of things, which is less political. Or at least was, last I was in there… | /r/MensRights | 25/08/25 10:16 AM |
| 6 | A lot of men who complain about attractive men being assholes and still getting laid are themselves bad men who wish they didn’t have to act like a good person in order to get laid.Sure, they aren't at moral fault. I'm just pointing out that human nature is prone to resent those who win genetic lotteries. We want to believe in a just world where moral character is rewarded. But some people are faster, taller, stronger, smarter, hotter etc. than others, and this impacts their life experiences and successes. I'm not making a moral commentary here, just a factual one. Looks-based privilege will attract resentment. I don't believe such resentment is morally good, but it is a s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 09:02 AM |
| 1 | The red pill humanizes womenShe never called me that, so its a moot point. Not to mention you're not addressing my actual argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 08:04 AM |
| 1 | The red pill humanizes womenSo your reference for the RP being true is your mom telling you affirming stuff. Outright lies are not affirming. Factually-untrue affirmation is not kind. The point is that I am not the only person on this forum who has said the same thing. Plenty of other men here recount precisely the same experience of being told precisely the same set of inaccurate statements, by someone they placed trust into. Also note my flair - I am purple pill and sometimes disagree with Red Pill. But the Redpillers ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 06:47 AM |
| 6 | Accountability and MenThe idea of tea app was to warn women about men who did something wrong. That may have indeed been the intention. But seriously, such an app's abuse potential should have been obvious from the very start. You know just as well as I do that you can't build institutions on the assumption that they won't be abused. You do the exact opposite - you assume that there are at least some people out there who will act awfully, and you proceed on the basis of containing people's worst impulses. It's not li… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 05:57 AM |
| 6 | A lot of men who complain about attractive men being assholes and still getting laid are themselves bad men who wish they didn’t have to act like a good person in order to get laid.If you were an actual good man, you wouldn’t need a reward to incentivize you to be nice. Most traditions in moral philosophy completely disagree. Neither utilitarians nor egoists accept this proposition. Several forms of deontology reject it as well... honestly, as a moral proposition, it sounds like a weird fusion between Kant and Comte... neither of which are good ethicists, in my view. Not to mention, a simple look at sociology and the fact social structures exist proves that no matter how m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 05:11 AM |
| 3 | The red pill humanizes womenThat's unfortunately true in some cases, but at the same time, rejecting ideas because others may abuse them isn't epistemically legitimate. What matters is the truth value of those ideas, not how some people respond to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 04:47 AM |
| 4 | The red pill humanizes womenMy favourite thing about the redpill is that its so into its own bs that it ends up rationalizing itself by arguing against points it gaslit itself into believing is its opposition My own fucking mother told me the myths about women loving personality and being essentially above caring about looks. She told me the vast majority of the gynocentric propaganda points that TRP complains about. So no, TRP isn't gaslighting itself. Rather, TRP is absolutely responding a very real set of myths that the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 04:45 AM |
| 35 | The red pill humanizes womenI agree with you for the most part. TRP is probably the only force in our culture that actively de-pedastalizes women. Feminism nominally complains about pedastalization but in practice perpetuates and reinforces it. There are, however, some TRP ideas that are fairly described as dehumanizing of women though. Certainly the idea that women are innately mentally-teenage at most and shouldn't be expected to be rational is actual, genuine sexism. Even though I accept women may be culturally infantil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 03:59 AM |
| 7 | There is no such thing as an "invalid" or "shallow" reason not to date someone, every single dating preference is valid.What is the point in endlessly talking about how good looking people have privilege? There are entire political movements and career paths (often in higher education) built on bemoaning the reality that some other people have certain privileges. Even if this bemoaning is in fact pointless bullshit, you can't ignore the reality that society focuses greatly on it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 03:19 AM |
| 6 | There is no such thing as an "invalid" or "shallow" reason not to date someone, every single dating preference is valid.Upvoted for truth. Certain groups get "social justice" efforts centered upon redressing cultural (and sometimes even biological) unfairness that hurts them. Whereas other groups basically get told to fuck off and die, even by the same people who make a big performative display about caring for "social justice." The disparity is obvious. And offensive. And we all know that the basic criterion for being an "acceptable" minority is that minority's electoral utility for the establishment left. It ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 03:10 AM |
| 1 | Most women are terrible at giving dating advice for men. The RedPill is needed.I don't think Redpill and Christianity are comparable though. The former is a romantic praxeology about heterosexual dating that at least claims scientific backing and general/on-average empirical validity. The latter is a faith tradition that has existed through 2 millennia, is beset by internal infighting and schisms, is full of subsects that make mutually incompatible claims, is based on plenty of propositions that are empirically unfalsifiable, etc. Not to mention, TRP is just a set of ideas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/25 07:57 AM |
| 2 | Most women are terrible at giving dating advice for men. The RedPill is needed.It's not meant to define "theologically correct" Christianity. That's an internal matter for Christians to resolve. And they've been fighting over that issue for over nineteen centuries! My proposed definition is meant to simply be workable, separate the major faith traditions out from each other, and avoid internal theological disputes. It is a "study of religion" style definition, meant to satisfy secular and academic considerations (parsimony, conceptual rigor, bright-line workability, no spe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/25 07:25 AM |
| 2 | Most women are terrible at giving dating advice for men. The RedPill is needed.Having Christ as a central figure is a pretty vague definition. The central deliverer of divine revelation, in particular. That separates out Christianity (of all kinds) from, say, Islam (where Yeshua is a prophet but not the central one), Buddhism (where Buddha fills that role), Scientology (L Ron Hubbard), etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/25 07:07 AM |
| 7 | CMV: summer clothing is not an excuse for men to look moreYou are not entitled to a subjective feeling of safety or comfort. You're entitled to have your rights respected, and to basic civility, and nothing else. I feel discomfort around Christian and Islamic worship sites, but their religious freedom is a right. I don't have an entitlement to be externally enabled to feel a specific way. I often dress in a visibly countercultural manner that sometimes attracts stares. Maybe it's my asperger's syndrome but I essentially don't notice them, and frankly I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/25 04:43 AM |
| 1 | Do you value the opposite gender for their intrinsic worth and dignity? If so, could you learn to love someone who is of the opposite gender based on that?What does it even mean to value the opposite gender for their intrinsic worth and dignity? An excellent point. It should also be pointed out that the intrinsic worth and dignity of the human individual is not sex-dependent in the first place (both men and women have it because men and women are both humans), and furthermore, whilst this inherent human dignity is relevant to political philosophy (it's the foundation of individual rights), that doesn't mean it is relevant to romance or sex. Even h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/25 03:40 AM |
| 1 | Most women are terrible at giving dating advice for men. The RedPill is needed.Well there have been centuries of war over what constitutes true Christianity, so obviously it's not that simple. True, but a lot of these wars were over theological quibbles, like the manner in which Christ is present in the Eucharist (for example). The absolute common denominator that holds all forms of Christianity together is that their central figure of divine revelation is Yeshua of Nazareth. I'm an atheist and I think all Christianity is false, but "the essential characteristic of Christi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/25 12:44 AM |
| 2 | Are men remotely offended by the idea that sex with them ruins and devalues a person?So, by your logic, the originators of all culture and all ideas within it are men. And women have had no influence on our culture's beliefs. And women never have influence on how men think. That is infantilizing and misogynistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/25 09:47 PM |
| 9 | Are men remotely offended by the idea that sex with them ruins and devalues a person?If men are the ones framing sex as “defiling,” that’s men pushing misogyny onto women, not women hating men. By that logic, internalized misogyny (women holding misogynist beliefs) can't exist. In addition, women are absolutely complicit in upholding the "penis-as-defiler" framing. It is one of the reasons women themselves often slut-shame. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/25 12:38 PM |
| 4 | Do you agree with feminist leader Jessica Valenti that it is obscene to talk about young men falling behind when women have restricted access to abortion?The reasoning is so bad I barely know where to begin. Yes, women in some US states have their access to elective abortion unjustly restricted. Not all women live in America. Valenti apparently only cares about those that do, because I've never heard her complain about the relatively strict gestational limits that apply to most of continental Europe (Germany has 12 weeks max, and mandatory counselling is required beforehand). But I don't see why we can't talk about boys falling behind in educatio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/25 10:38 AM |
| 11 | Are men remotely offended by the idea that sex with them ruins and devalues a person?it does give it a weird "self-hating" bent. Absolutely. It's a form of Internalized Misandry. Men believing that their own sexuality is polluting and ruinous. I don't doubt that it may arise from intrasexual competition or men's own preferences. Evolutionary psychology isn't necessarily flattering or ego-stroking. Sometimes it doesn't say very nice things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/25 05:07 AM |
| 4 | Are men remotely offended by the idea that sex with them ruins and devalues a person?My new reddit name will be "penis-as-defiler." Thankyou. I'm honored to have been an inspiration! I can understand wanting a partner who is faithful and not a lying cheat. That is not a gendered want, even. It can be a gendered want when females have parental certainty (evolutionarily speaking) but males do not. This is further exacerbated by the fact that males stand to lose more in the event of relationship dissolution than females, so both evolutionary psychology and economic incentives opera… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/25 03:45 AM |
| 57 | Are men remotely offended by the idea that sex with them ruins and devalues a person?As a man, yes, I find the "penis-as-defiler" notion to be very misandrist. That said, whilst I oppose slut-shaming, there are other reasons a man may be averse to promiscuity-in-women other than believing that she's been "defiled" by other men's penises. Firstly, a record of promiscuity MIGHT be indicative of an underlying predisposition towards infidelity (so it isn't the promiscuity itself that is the problem, but rather an underlying character trait that both increases the propensity towards … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/25 02:05 AM |
| 2 | Some women just want attention, more than some men.So when women marry unattractive men they are demonized as AFBB predators taking advantage of these poor men but men who do so are altruistic and admirable? Considering how income/resources tend to flow in the typical Western heterosexual marriage (i.e. from the male to the female), that isn't an indefensible proposition in the abstract (individual cases may vary, sure). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/25 01:51 AM |
| 1 | Having kids has no benefits to womenI don't quite understand the constant "XYZ is a negative!" here. Because the goal is to try and prove, objectively, that "women always have it worse, and men are to blame" (or vice-versa for the gender-flip). It is all about securing and reinforcing the moral high ground that comes with being a member of a "victim class" that is victimized by a "victimizer class." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/25 07:21 AM |
| 10 | ‘Chad’ isn’t real. He’s a character made of the amalgamated imagination of frustrated dudes onlineSo, your argument against "Chad" existing is that RPers from white North-American backgrounds are imagining him as a popular white middle-to-upper-class high-school jock? I mean... yes, of course people are going to interpret an archetype in part through the lens of their own experiences. What do you expect them to do? Why does Chad not being real matter? Because with the idealized image of Chad, many men have given themselves an impossible standard to compete with, and then get collectively ups… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/25 05:50 AM |
| 0 | Women over exaggerate their concerns of their safety.Was that my argument? Did I say that? No, I'm merely trying to explain why feminists are on the receiving end of such negative generalizations. You can't, for example, dismiss the experiences Dr Warren Farrell had when he started speaking out on men's issues and how the feminist movement (of which he was a leading light for many years) treated him. There are very large numbers of anti-traditionalist/non-traditionalist men that have been alienated from and turned against the feminist movement, by… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/25 05:27 AM |
| 2 | Women over exaggerate their concerns of their safety.Women can work, but less likely to be in higher ranks They're also less likely to be in the more dangerous and dirty jobs. They're also more likely to have superior work-life balance. Additionally, I don't know how much you actually know about corporate governance, but the role of a CEO or many other high executive positions is one with a lot of pressure and responsibility, and this pressure and responsibility imposes costs on the person in the role. It is under no circumstances irrational to pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/25 03:30 AM |
| -1 | Women over exaggerate their concerns of their safety.Your citation of the Feminist Majority Foundation is a good one, but at the same time, there are some feminist researchers who still insist that a man whom is "made to penetrate" is not a rape victim (Mary Koss being the big example). I read the HuffPost article but one thing remains ambiguous - does the new, expanded understanding of rape include "made to penetrate"? If so, good on the Feminist Majority Foundation for its work on the subject. Another example RBG RBG's form of feminism was stric… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/25 03:20 AM |
| 7 | Radical feminists often deny being a monolith, but they never cease to act as oneI do enjoy the hypocrisy of the extreme feminists TERF war. I enjoy it too, but for different reasons, and I don't think the TERFs are hypocrites. TERFs are anti-male and define their oppressor-oppressed analysis on the basis of biological sex. Ergo, transwomen, since they do not literally change sex (its called a "gender transition," not a "sex change" for this precise reason), remain male and therefore remain enemies of the TERFs according to their own ideology. That isn't hypocritical. What I… | /r/MensRights | 14/08/25 02:51 AM |
| 8 | Coercive control: Male victims say they aren't believedNot just single mothers. Most mothers, even married ones, will push some gynocentric attitudes onto their sons, even if just unintentionally or due to self-interested bias. | /r/MensRights | 14/08/25 12:05 AM |
| 5 | Why do women always choose the wrong guy.They don't "always" choose "the wrong guy." Women sometimes end up bedding abusers and sociopaths and narcissists. This is usually because 'dark triad' guys are good mimics, women aren't telepaths, and women are just as easily susceptible to thinking with their genitals as men are. It happens to men, too. Men need to be regularly reminded to Not Stick Your Dick In Crazy. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/25 06:15 AM |
| 7 | Why do women always choose the wrong guy.Because a lot of these complaints are motivated by self-interest - the tacit assumption is the complainer is the "right man." To be fair, the complainer may indeed by substantially more pro-social than the typically highly-sexually-successful male. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/25 06:11 AM |
| 34 | The Female Jealousy Epidemicwhoever was the stereotypically pretty and feminine women at the LARP was always getting open hostility from other women, but not necessarily from guys. "Intrasexual competition" is the term for this. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/25 05:14 AM |
| 4 | Why do so many conservative men try to get with liberal women and change them? Why not just pursue conservative women from the jump ?Maybe its just my circles but the kind of man you describe - a socially conservative man trying to re-enact a politicized version of The Taming of the Shrew - is something I have only encountered in the fever-dreams of leftist women (google "Meg Lanker-Symons" and what she posted in her own act of digital self-harm for some evidence). I have never encountered ANY man on the conservative right who deliberately dates liberal women in an attempt to turn them into social conservatives or Christian c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/25 03:34 AM |
| 99 | TeaOnHer response from MovemberMovember has been hijacked by feminists so there's no point in giving it any credibility any more. And again, they only did this when men retaliated against Tea. Not a peep when a doxxing app designed for women to use against men was first released! | /r/MensRights | 13/08/25 03:08 AM |
| – | Guys who don't hang out, spend more time gaming, and don't date are actually MORE likely to support gander equaletyif they want to date us, they better give a damn about our rights or we won't date them. It is so very, very easy to fake your politics enough to get one date that ends in sex (so long as a man is hot enough). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/25 11:34 AM |
| – | Guys who don't hang out, spend more time gaming, and don't date are actually MORE likely to support gander equaletySo, "the goose pill" is now a thing? Does it come with foie gras? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/25 11:31 AM |
| 4 | Parents refer more teen boys to Government's deradicalisation scheme "Prevent" after hit Netflix drama Adolescence OP: More male hateand if that does happen we have a problem, It will happen. You'd have to, and I mean this with all due respect, be exceedingly naive to think that it won't, especially given the well-documented institutional capture of the British state by feminist ideologues. fantasizing about made up scenarios to get outraged over... You mean what Adolescence actually does? That film was government-funded and intended quite clearly to push a "white males are the problem" narrative... yet it was based on a crim… | /r/MensRights | 10/08/25 10:53 PM |
| 20 | Parents refer more teen boys to Government's deradicalisation scheme "Prevent" after hit Netflix drama Adolescence OP: More male hatePrevent is a gender neutral policy, But in practice, what is clearly going to happen is that basic, nonviolent MRA views will become tarred with the brush of "dangerous radicalism." You and I know the difference between a normal MRA viewpoint and actual violent radicalism. Do you think any of the UK's middle-to-upper-class brainwashed-in-leftist-universities civil servants and social workers would even acknowledge such a distinction exists? No, what is going to happen is that any man who says "U… | /r/MensRights | 10/08/25 12:22 PM |
| 55 | Parents refer more teen boys to Government's deradicalisation scheme "Prevent" after hit Netflix drama Adolescence OP: More male hatethis was not a movie but a government-manufactured excuse to push certain policies and attitudes onto boys. It was also meant to serve as a distraction from a certain racialized mass rape scandal and some other contemporaneous, high profile criminal acts committed by members of specific ethnic minorities. Adolescence was government propaganda intended to push a narrative that (basically) "white males are the problem" and distract people's attention from specific instances that disconfirmed that … | /r/MensRights | 10/08/25 12:13 PM |
| 3 | LOOKS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADStatistically there’s somebody out there for you. Do you have a citation of those statistics? Because remember a lot of people on PPD are weirdo, 'spergy and the like, and statistically speaking there is not someone out there who is "perfect for them." Reddit doesn't select for normies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/25 05:35 AM |
| 3 | Should men forgive a cheating girlfriend that wants him back ?By "cheating" I presume we're talking about a situation where both parties agreed to a monogamous committed relationship, and she cheated on him. In that situation, the relationship must be dissolved and there must be absolutely zero forgiveness. This standard is applied bilaterally. If you cheat on someone you agreed to monogamy with, the relationship must end, and the transgression is frankly unforgivable. If you cannot practice monogamy, be a fucking adult and don't offer it in the first plac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/25 04:13 AM |
| 3 | The fixation on “purity” in women is often rooted in male insecurity, not morality.How does that even work now adays when so many men and women don't want children? Evolved desires/instincts don't just go away when they're no longer necessary. They're sticky. They linger inside our lizard brains. This is true of both sexes. It's why the average opposite-sex-attracted women still wants Tall, Dark, Rich and Handsome (emphasis on the "Tall") despite the fact she can protect herself with a firearm and make her own money. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/25 12:12 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Women choose to moralize men's dating successBaldur's Gate 3, Mass Effect, God of War are all popular AAA titles/series with women. True, although they are the exceptions to the rule. What is the basis for saying marketing has failed, those games are pretty successful titles? I am saying that the gaming industry has, for a long time, been subject to a shift towards "diversity and representation" (aka SJWism, PC, "the message," etc). One of the arguments for this practice is that it would increase the number of female gamers. That did not h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/25 02:57 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Women choose to moralize men's dating successDefinitely working on plenty of women or they would stop doing it... Your error is in aggregating "gaming." There's no single gaming market. Traditional gaming - the type with extended and obsessive consumption of AAA games on consoles and PCs - that's a male dominated market. And trying to make it appealing to women or "modern audiences" has consistently failed. Especially on mobile, there's tons of games marketed towards women where women are the majority of the revenue. This is true, but it i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/25 02:27 AM |
| 1 | Why are you having trouble dating, in your earnest estimation?Again, I'm happy to change my mind if you show me some evidence. When you're alleging that the government is building death camps you're making a very severe allegation that requires some evidentiary support. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 11:02 PM |
| – | Women Absolutely Love Casual Sex..... Just Not With You.And your mad cause your not getting used by women for sex? The average man doesn't consider a woman having sex with him casually to be a "loss" or "exploitation" of him. So in brief, they don't "get used" (or, to be more accurate, don't feel exploited). Even in explicitly transactional sex - where both parties "use" each other in the most techical sense of the phrase - the typical man experiences sufficient subjective benefit from the sex that they don't usually feel exploited. Certain circumsta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/25 03:53 AM |
| 6 | False accusation sees another man lose his seat while no consequences for the womanWhats wrong with these men? In Harry's case, he was deeply traumatized by his mother's death (honestly I feel very sorry for him). Markle allegedly exploited this by studying Diana's mannerisms and wearing Diana's perfume. This made him fall in love with her. But in general, the issue is male thirst and benevolent sexism/chivalry. Combined with the fact that an all-male group (or hobby, or pasttime) that isn't full of Chads or doesn't benefit women is often seen as an embarrassing, low-status th… | /r/MensRights | 07/08/25 02:04 AM |
| 1 | The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removedwhy does benevolent sexism sound like these guys are treating women normally with respect When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression. In addition, there are multiple studies that make it clear - withholding benevolent sexism from women is commonly perceived as hostile sexism. Thank you for confirming those findings. I have no idea what makes you think women aren't already responsible. There are, again, verifiable studies showing which sex benefits more from government pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 11:02 PM |
| 1 | The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removedCitation, please. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 10:53 PM |
| 2 | The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removedJust remove the apps and talk publicly how they are feeding delusional female fantasies being with rich, attractive men. Delusional female fantasies long predate those apps. That's the point. The fairy tales we've told children for the past several centuries help reinforce those delulu female fantasies for fuck's sake. The dating apps are not the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 10:51 PM |
| 1 | The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removedExactly. And that's bad for Billy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 10:50 PM |
| 1 | The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removedI think you're mistaken to assume that women didn't feel different about their husbands before the current dating landscape came about - and you're speaking in absolutes. Obviously, there were beta provider/cleanup crew husbands in the past - but it's not unreasonable to suspect that access to media, social media, and dating apps literally makes women feel differently about only somewhat above-average men than they used to. You can see this as just showing their true nature - but environment doe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 08:58 AM |
| 3 | How likely/unlikely is it to find love as a man?Genuine romantic love - the combination of "I like you" + "I really want to have sex with you" - is in fact very rare. Remember that through most of history, most marriages were arranged. Many famous love stories from the past, such as Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet - are often interpreted as cautionary tales against romantic love in the light of that. The current western norm of romantic serial monogamy is historically quite recent - it is for the most part the invention of the World War 2 gene… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 05:53 AM |
| -1 | The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removedEven a lot of average men get "settled for" by women who don't have true romantic love for them (i.e. the combination of a high degree of like + raw primal lust). That is exploitative to them, infantilizing and unsatisfying for the woman, and inherently unstable for the children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 05:35 AM |
| 17 | The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removedHard disagree. For one, forced monogamy means inherently unsatisfying marriages. All you'll be doing is giving Billy Beta a resentful wife who knows she settled and knows she "made a prudent, responsible choice" and will take it out on him and possibly divorce him and take the children. He'll have massive responsibilities to her, and she'll reciprocate with begrudging starfishing once a month if he's lucky. He'd be better off single. Additionally, huge numbers of "no hope/loser" men historically… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 05:25 AM |
| 2 | Women care even when undesirable men are going thier own waysYou want me to suck dick for votes. How in the living hell can you come to such a conclusion? That is the most intellectually dishonest thing I have ever heard someone tell me on this forum and I've been here for years. Not only is this conversation with you over, but I'm going to block you. You've made it clear honest and good-faith discussion is not something you're interested in. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 05:00 AM |
| 4 | Looking through the wrong lense: Which issues do men and women get wrong because they assume the other sex thinks like them?Honestly many women don't feel close to each other conceptually also. I don't doubt that. The Sisterhood is very fractious and constantly undermined by intrasexual competition. All I'm saying is that the Brotherhood is even less stable. And some men feel (at least seem) very tied to their gender and to their fellow men. Those men you notice are probably the ones that are not social outcasts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 03:50 AM |
| 3 | There is a difference between trying to ensure women ARE safe. . .& trying to ensure all women FEEL safe.Society functions best when people do more of what they are better at. And individuals vary in abilities. Let's say that most men are better at most traditional stuff. In that case, then they will naturally skew towards performing traditional roles without complex societal systems of shame, coercion, ostracism, etc. But society absolutely has complex social systems intended to punish men who defect from traditional roles. Even if, if it were true that most men just naturally skewed trad, these c… | /r/MensRights | 06/08/25 03:33 AM |
| 14 | PBS blames men for standing up for themselves, calls them misogynist for wanting equal rights.This is why PBS is getting defunded. And good. Feminist lobby groups should not be getting state-subsidized agitprop. | /r/MensRights | 06/08/25 03:28 AM |
| 1 | Women care even when undesirable men are going thier own waysyou can take my life but you can never take my freedom Your actions prove these words to be hollow. Even the fact you keep this argument going with me (an ally of yours on the abortion question) instead of trying to win over support to your side only proves my point - you're acting like someone who enjoys self-righteous incivility masquerading as activism and doesn't truly fear for their safety or rights. I’m not gonna coddle people into doing what is right. Persuasion is not coddling. Civility … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 01:15 AM |
| 1 | Women care even when undesirable men are going thier own waysBut their voting impacts your life. Everyone's voting can create externalities for other people. And again, look at your rhetoric - "I'm not their mommy," "their karma" (as if that's the only thing that matters when you've literally claimed to be in fear for your rights) and "their business" (when politics is literally everyone's business, a public matter). What this proves is you don't really believe MAGA will have any substantial costs to you. So why the vehement, alienating rhetoric then? I'm… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/25 11:55 PM |
| 1 | Women care even when undesirable men are going thier own waysI can’t control if people actually do what’s right. But you can influence the probability that they will. And in your case you seem determined to make men vote against you out of spite because it allows you to be a bigger victim. This is not a winning political strategy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/25 10:42 PM |
| 3 | Tired of Feminists Pretending to Care About MenMen's Human Rights Activist. | /r/MensRights | 05/08/25 10:40 PM |
| 1 | Women care even when undesirable men are going thier own waysIt doesn’t matter if it’s a deeply held personal conviction. It matters if my argument is logical and true. As a matter of activism and winning votes, that's not necessarily true. Again, I agree with a lot of what you say and support abortion-on-request-for-any-reason-whatsoever up until the end of the first 20 weeks of the pregnancy. I am not your opponent, here. But this is a debate sub (i.e. not a proper environment for locker-room talk or venting), and IF you truly believe that your rights a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/25 07:52 AM |
| -3 | Why do women expect empathy and a good guy behavior from "undesirable" guys?Should you only support gay rights if it benefits you? As a bisexual, yes, I would argue that it is in the interests of heterosexuals to support the rights of sexual minorities. Sexual liberation benefits straight people, getting the government out of the bedroom benefits everyone's civil liberties (including straight people into BDSM etc), and since straight people often have sexual minority family members, the interests of your family members are part of your own interests. I'm against religio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/25 05:41 AM |
| 1 | Why do women expect empathy and a good guy behavior from "undesirable" guys?So in other words, you agree that if someone who lives in our society doesn't actively support the Intersectional Feminism of Kimberle Crenshaw, the "Antiracism" of Ibram X Kendi/Robin DiAngelo, and their associated aligned ideologies, they're fascist/Nazis. Thank you for conceding that I was accurate in describing your worldview. And no, it is not reasonable to describe modern western liberal market-based societies as akin to Nazi Germany, and such a belief is absolutely delusional. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/25 05:36 AM |
| 1 | Why do women expect empathy and a good guy behavior from "undesirable" guys?Yes. There's functionally no difference between "if you don't fight against oppression and inequality then you're a fascist/Nazi" and "if you're part of a system of oppression and inequality but don't find it, you're a fascist/Nazi." Especially when you define modern western liberal capitalist societies as systems of oppression and inequality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/25 05:12 AM |
| 3 | Why do women expect empathy and a good guy behavior from "undesirable" guys?I was absolutely going to make a thread like this, albeit as a debate. Some women absolutely feel truly entitled to men's altruism (i.e. prosocial conduct that benefits them at the expense of the man providing the conduct.. or at least without the man experiencing or hoping for any consequential benefit from the conduct). I'm currently having a discussion in another thread where the abortion question comes up. And again, far too many women are just hostile in principle to providing a reason to m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/25 05:08 AM |
| -6 | Why do women expect empathy and a good guy behavior from "undesirable" guys?I've only heard the belief that people who are part of systems of oppression and inequality without fighting them are racist, Nazi, etc. That's the same thing with an extra step. "Silence is violence! Silence is complicity!" These were not marginal slogans. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/25 04:52 AM |
| 34 | Men needs to encourage each other to monitor how men treating men, a chivalry for menSo... "bros before hoes" but taken seriously? I like it! | /r/MensRights | 05/08/25 04:37 AM |
| 1 | Women care even when undesirable men are going thier own waysI’m not making an emotional argument tho. I'm not saying you are. Keep in mind, I'm pro-choice myself, you don't need to convince me of the importance of having abortion access. I'm simply pointing out that some of your rhetoric is bad for the cause and the use of such rhetoric cannot be tactically justifiable if abortion access is a deeply personal and meaningful issue for you and you believe the US is in meaningful danger of turning into The Handmaid's Tale. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/25 04:13 AM |
| 1 | Women care even when undesirable men are going thier own waysI can’t control what you assume my feelings are. I'm not making assumptions. I'm looking at your choices and their inconsistency with your claims. If someone says "if policy X is implemented by this government, it will impose massive costs on me" then I will expect that someone to take some real action to either insulate themselves from the impact of policy X and/or avoid policy X's implementation in the first place. Since voting is not an effective way for an individual to effect political chan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/25 03:48 AM |
| 7 | The Alien Life of an Autistic Man—with studiesAs a 'sperg (with a big forehead and a very formal relationship with my last living immediate family member AND an history of autism in the family, including a severely autistic uncle and an almost-certainly 'sperg father, AND a big history of being bullied in school), that all hurts but its true. Autism Spectrum Disorders are also greatly overrepresented in the pill-o-sphere (unsurprisingly) and I'm sure the MHRM has overrepresentation of ASD men too. Unsurprising - men who can't be Chad are mo… | /r/MensRights | 05/08/25 02:40 AM |
| 6 | Tired of Feminists Pretending to Care About MenThe dictionary definition of "feminism" no longer describes the nature of the official "feminist" movement. I'm a Dictionary Definition Feminist. That's why I'm an MHRA. | /r/MensRights | 05/08/25 02:04 AM |
| 1 | I feel like more men would be happier to break free from gender expectations if we change the terminology surrounding "toxic masculinity".Call it Toxic Sex Mandates or Toxic Sex Stereotypes if you want (has the benefits of applying to both Toxic Masculinity and Toxic Femininity, too). I actually do think there's a valid place for some Toxic Masculinity discourse, however... It must also be paired with Toxic Femininity discourse, and... A recurrent problem with Toxic Masculinity discourse is that when it is controlled by women, it becomes another form of nagging and demanding men change for the sake of women. The original definitio… | /r/MensRights | 05/08/25 02:00 AM |
| 2 | Based on real world research: Men have equal capacity for emotional intelligence"Emotional Intelligence" exists only to pretend that having the right feels/glandular excretions at the right time is somehow just as valuable as the rational faculty... you know, the thing that enables all of humanity's technological development and engineering growth and the consequent raise in the standard of living. It is useful in certain contexts. But it doesn't have nearly the same ability to objectively improve human living standards as actual intelligence. This culture really overvalues… | /r/MensRights | 05/08/25 01:52 AM |
| 1 | Women care even when undesirable men are going thier own waysI can’t do everything myself. I never suggested otherwise. Of course you can't do everything yourself. Everyone has limited resources. The things I believe are the most important and uniquely on me to do, are what I put effort into. That's precisely the point I am making. What you spend actual effort on illustrates what your actual values are. What you say gives us your declared preferences, but the effort allocation decisions you make give us your demonstrated preferences. You speak about the a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/25 01:46 AM |
| 2 | Women care even when undesirable men are going thier own waysSure, I'm not saying you should do unpaid work in the field of political organizing. That said, "I'll just vote" is not actually very effective. The chance of an individual vote being decisive in an election is itself extremely small. On top of that, because we elect representatives to legislate on our behalf, there's a messy process of compromise alongside the reality that we elect representatives on the basis of packages of political positions rather than individual positions. The result? Just… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/25 01:07 AM |
| 1 | Women care even when undesirable men are going thier own waysClearly. But getting political change that you want to happen, in a society where politicians are popularly elected, requires that you engage in the messy work of doing so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/25 12:47 AM |
| 7 | Looking through the wrong lense: Which issues do men and women get wrong because they assume the other sex thinks like them?A big error by feminist women is the belief that abortion restrictions are something "men" do to further their own sex-based interest in control over women's bodies. This theory ignores pro-choice males, pro-life females, and it absolutely glosses over the role that religious dogma surrounding conception plays in the debate. The kind of people who come up with religious dogmas may typically be male, but they are not normal males, and not hegemonically masculine males. It also ignores the well-do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/25 12:45 AM |
| 0 | Women care even when undesirable men are going thier own waysYes men are the real victims of abortion bans. 🙄 Men can certainly be victims of abortion bans. Particularly like those that the Bible Belt are trying to enact, which combine draconian restrictions with mandates for child support from conception. The victims, however? Obviously they are not primary victims. They are, however, secondary victims. In addition, after Hillary's statement that "women have always been the primary victims of war" you're in no position to complain about men pointing out … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/25 12:22 AM |
| 2 | Polyandry is the answer to male lonelinessMen need to destroy the stigma Why is the onus on men? It turns out that, just like men, women tend to value themselves and each other on the basis of the members of the opposite sex that they can get devotion/dedication/sex from. This is one of the reasons women slut-shame - they see a woman who "gives it away too easily" as "devaluing herself" or as evidencing she is of low value. Why aren't you pressuring women to stop this? Why is it men who have to change? Why aren't you telling the Pussy C… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 11:58 PM |
| 3 | Polyandry is the answer to male loneliness"Alpha Fucks" and "Beta Bucks" respectively. Or in gentler rhetoric, "a man whom is hot and sexy" and "a man who will be caring, supportive and generous towards me." The perfect man, from the perspective of the vast majority of women, provides both of these things. However, in a situation where a woman can't secure a relationship with a man who provides both of these things, she will be tempted to source these different things from different men. I think poly absolutely can work for some people.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 10:26 PM |
| 13 | Women would have less trouble finding partners if more women had personalitiesYour description of “having a personality” has a real autistic bent to it quite frankly, and I’m saying this as someone who is neurodivergent themselves. Agreed. OP is basically a nerdy dude talking about nerdy dude hobbies and pretending that ALL men are like this. Nerd-normativity is a big error. I agree with OP that "basic Becky" is intolerable to be around. But so is the male equivalent. There are mind-numbingly-awful normies of both sexes. If the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis is true,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 10:19 PM |
| 3 | Polyandry is the answer to male lonelinessSome people can, but those naturally inclined towards polyamory are very much the minority, and unfortunately there are some normie-in-denial women who pretend to be poly just as a way to get both AF and BB from two different guys without outright cheating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 10:08 PM |
| 1 | Do you think it's understandable/valid that femdom usually has its own flavor different from maledom?It absolutely makes sense. By the same token, male/male BDSM has a different cultural flavor to heterosexual BDSM. a lot of self-describing dominant women, at least in the kinky corners of reddit, are strongly critical and disapproving of what I just described, and tend to think most submissive men are just "wrong". This is just the typical gynonormativity ("the female-typical way of doing X is the correct/right/natural/healthy way, the male-typical way of doing X is maladaptive/wrong/unhealthy/… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 12:23 AM |
| 2 | Hot take: (CMV) The "Healthy Masculinity" feminism pushes is more toxic than the toxic masculinityYou just love tangents and word salads no? Again, you're just proving you're engaging in bad faith. OP is saying society expects men to be altruistic. Oh poor men they have to be altruistic. Everyone is pressured to be altruistic. "Everyone is pressured to be altruistic" does not contradict "men are pressured to be altruistic." "Men are pressured to be altruistic" does not imply "traditional gender roles didn't pressure women to be altruistic." Jesus talked to everyone, not just men. There are l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/25 01:30 AM |
| 2 | Hot take: (CMV) The "Healthy Masculinity" feminism pushes is more toxic than the toxic masculinityOP says All of the positive qualities chosen for that version of healthy masculinity follow the same pattern: Sacrifice yourself for others for nothing This is false, we are all told to sacrifice ourselves for others We are all told to sacrifice ourselves for others. But that doesn't imply it is incorrect to suggest that society's ideal of prosocial masculinity isn't altruistic. It is altruistic. So is society's ideal of prosocial femininity, just in different ways. The argument that masculine i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/25 11:30 PM |
| 1 | Hot take: (CMV) The "Healthy Masculinity" feminism pushes is more toxic than the toxic masculinityThe point is that we are all taught Jesus's teachings Yes, and they're wrong for everyone. But because Yeshua of Nazareth was male, and because his religion was so influential on society, he became an archetype of masculinity. Christianity, at least in its Catholic variant, has a similar archetype for femininity - Mary. Another self-sacrificial archetype too, albeit in a different way. not just poor victim men If you can't even contemplate the idea that men may be a victim of a socially-prevalen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/25 03:02 AM |
| 1 | Q4M: When you hear women say they want to feel "protected", what does that mean to you?Women are not actually wanting to feel safe and protected? It's just for the aesthetics of their partner? The aesthetics generate that feeling due to lizard-brain evolution. There is study after study showing that, in all animals (humans included), aesthetic-features-that-are-sexually-desired are connected to evolutionary benefits. In the world of a sexually reproducing species that has been shaped by evolution, it's never "just aesthetics." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/25 02:33 AM |
| 1 | Hot take: (CMV) The "Healthy Masculinity" feminism pushes is more toxic than the toxic masculinityDo you think Jesus preached toxic traits? I can only speak for myself, but absolutely yes. Jesus was a shit ethicist and a shit philosopher in general. He is our society's ideal of 'pro-social' masculinity... i.e. masochistic altruism and dying for others. No, I'm not going to die for you or anyone else. You are not owed my life. You do not deserve my death for your sake. I am not a sacrificial lamb or a scapegoat. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/25 02:17 AM |
| 5 | Hot take: (CMV) The "Healthy Masculinity" feminism pushes is more toxic than the toxic masculinityI feel like there’s a narrative that therapists are all left wing psychos. I had a good therapist (I went to specialist neurodiversity therapy) but she was clearly a feminist on the political left (she used the word "patriarchy" unironically). And whilst my own therapist was very much an exception, left wing feminists have a not-unjustified reputation for having a complete lack of empathy towards men's suffering. The narrative is not unjustified, especially when hard-left ideological dogma with … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/25 02:11 AM |
| 3 | Feminism has actually accentuated gender differences and made ancient relationship models reappear in the WestI'd partially agree with you. Although the specific feminism responsible for doing this is Carol Gilligan's "Cultural Feminism" (which is basically "Sugar Spice and Everything Nice" but given a feminist reinvention that essentially demands more female privilege for women, more pampering/princessing, and demands that all social spaces become gynocentric/ran on feminine norms). Although I don't think it's fair to say men just "naturally" prefer to conform to large amounts of male gender norms. The… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/25 01:50 AM |
| 1 | Feminism has actually accentuated gender differences and made ancient relationship models reappear in the WestGoogle the literature on the "Gender Equality Paradox." Most of it is based on Scandinavian societies. As for the BDSM environment, everyone is allowed whatever they want of course, but informal studies mostly done by FetLife (or on FetLife data) suggest that the average female BDSM participant is more inclined towards subbing than the average male BDSM participant (as a statistical aggregate... the male average is close to 50/50 switch and the female average is about 70% sub). That, however, is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/25 01:43 AM |
| 2 | Reddit women are a minority the basic "normie" girl is pretty darn patriarchalMy argument applies to both sexes in equal force. Are you familiar with the literature surrounding the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis? That literature actually provides some empirical evidence that your argument applies less to women than men. Just because a group of people like the same thing does not mean they all have the same motivation for that interest. Sure. I'm not denying individual diversity exists. Of course it exists. I'm just saying that at population level there's a clear prep… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/25 12:49 AM |
| 2 | Reddit women are a minority the basic "normie" girl is pretty darn patriarchalour likes/dislikes, preferences, interests, hobbies, personalities, etc. are influenced by numerous genetic and environmental factors. Of course. In science and medicine, "normal" is often not a binary. "Normal" is usually a range. Correct, but there are those within the "normal" part of the range and those that are outliers. Sure, you can pick your "number of standard deviations" but the statistical reality is that there are people in the normal region and people outside of that region. Further… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/25 06:55 AM |
| 1 | Reddit women are a minority the basic "normie" girl is pretty darn patriarchalThere are no women IRL I know that prefer men with pimples. OP said "skincare routine" specifically. He wasn't alleging that women prefer men with pimples. Here's what I think OP was trying to get at: women want naturals. A man who NEEDS to do an elaborate skincare routine to look acceptable is not a natural. This is why the skincare routine is a turnoff - she wants a man with naturally good skin. Not to mention, if he spends all that money on his skincare products, it means less money for her. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/25 06:42 AM |
| 5 | Reddit women are a minority the basic "normie" girl is pretty darn patriarchalWomen are not monoliths. Of course they aren't, but bell curves apply to the female sex too. No one denies the existence of normal/typical traits for males. Turns out that women are humans too and thus there is also a female normal/typical. Women's preferences in mates are not randomly distributed. In addition, there's substantial evidence (admittedly not proof, but evidence) that females have tighter bell curves than males. Ergo, males are more likely to be outliers (although outliers are still… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/25 05:30 AM |
| 4 | Reddit women are a minority the basic "normie" girl is pretty darn patriarchalIn the South, if a guy does not follow sports and cannot talk about them in some capacity, many people are going to think something's wrong with him. Including women. And it has to be those basic "all-American sports" like NFL football, basketball, or baseball. It's just such a core part of how men are expected to bond and relate with one another here that you're kind of on the margins if you don't. Australia has a similar problem, albeit with a different set of sports. Basically, a set of "acce… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/25 05:17 AM |
| 1 | How can men avoid rape allegations?Don't socialize with women-you-don't-already-know unless the entire interaction is recorded. This is especially true in any romantic context, or in any professional context, or basically any context in which she can become a feminist heroine by making a false allegation (so basically the entire Anglosphere that isn't explicitly a right-wing political event or conference). In addition, remove all SJW women (except perhaps those you're related to) from your life simply as an additional precaution.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/25 04:09 AM |
| 21 | Have you ever benefited from gender-specific privileges?No, because I'm an unathletic 'sperg and I've been obviously weird all my life. The bullying literally started in Grade 1. I remember the name of the bully and the insults they directed towards me. Most "male privilege" is "gender-mandate-compliant-male privilege" or "chad privilege." Yes, by the same token, quite a bit of "female privilege" is actually "attractive woman privilege." That said, I do believe that the proportion of "male privilege" that is contingent upon sex-role-conformity and at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/25 04:50 AM |
| 1 | Sexual liberation is inherently eugenicistYou're basically right, although I'd argue that both sexes behave eugenically if they're allowed to order their romantic lives on the basis of what-makes-their-bits-tickle. Women are more selective than men, but the blunt reality is both sexes have appearance preferences that are, technically, eugenicist. The difference is degree, not principle. Also, women's eugenicism is given more social enablement/sympathy/acceptance whereas men get called pigs for having Preferences That Women Don't Like. I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/25 04:44 AM |
| 3 | Men need to stop approaching and chasing women.We need to simpshame men. Agreed. Simping is (genuinely) Toxic Masculinity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/25 12:52 AM |
| 1 | Therapy is harmful and doesn't actually help women. Men should not go to therapy.Perhaps but we can’t be certain without concrete evidence. The APA's infamous "toxic masculinity" therapy guidelines, plus the growing preponderance of female therapists in the field and academy, plus the attempts to erase Borderline Personality Disorder from existence are certainly some evidence (if not absolute proof). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/25 09:21 AM |
| 2 | Therapy is harmful and doesn't actually help women. Men should not go to therapy.The problem, however, is that this kind of Toxic-Femininity-enabling-therapist is arguably the product of a growing cultural shift within the Psychology discipline at large... and that means more therapists will become this way and provide this kind of therapy. The issue OP alludes to is/is becoming systemic and entrenched. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/25 09:12 AM |
| -1 | Therapy is harmful and doesn't actually help women. Men should not go to therapy.I believe there are directive types of therapies that use certain methods to better help with this process like CBT and DBT. Correct, and both CBT and DBT actually have stronger track records than other forms of talk therapy (and DBT in particular is good for Borderline Personality Disorder... or in short, it treats Toxic Femininity). But there are plenty of therapists who aren't doing anything serious or rigorous when it comes to actual mental health when it comes to female clients. And that's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/25 09:04 AM |
| 1 | Therapy is harmful and doesn't actually help women. Men should not go to therapy.Good therapists know how to ask the right questions to get you to work through complex emotions you otherwise push down. They're tools to help you figure things out on your own without telling you what to think. Unfortunately, not all therapists are like this. I do think the OP is painting with an excessively broad brush, but you're kind of conceding the valid aspect of OP's point. Today, in the modern western world (perhaps most acutely the US), a lot of therapists are basically enabling and va… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/25 09:01 AM |
| 1 | Let's talk about Gender TheoryGender isn't a real thing that can be measured or calculated. No, but sex development is. We also know there are female-typical and male-typical neurological features (sexual dimorphism in the brain). We also know that, at least in males, a certain degree of brain feminization is associated with being a femme gay man. Some would theorize this same neuroatypicality (perhaps at a higher degree and/or in a society less accommodating of gender-nonconforming men) may be responsible for why some peopl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/25 12:36 AM |
| – | Let's talk about Gender TheoryNo one says every child has an infallible sense of their gender. There are literally people who make this argument to defend childhood gender-affirmative care. It’s just that sex is biological reality and gender is how you think about and perform sex socially. Yes, I'm aware of the sex/gender distinction and often rely upon it. You’re making up a lot of stuff to get mad at. Look, I've been part of these debates for a long time and I've actually read a lot of the relevant sexology research. I am … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/25 12:08 AM |
| 4 | Let's talk about Gender TheoryI'm not asking you to answer for them or anything though, just pointing that out. Sure. I'm glad we agree there. is it not a delusion to have a warped sense of your physical body to the point where you need surgery to "align" with what you see yourself as in your head? I don't understand how it's different from someone with anorexia who sees themself as overweight in their head or someone with body dysmorphia. I think we both agree Anorexia Nervosa, Body Dysmorphia and Gender Dysphoria all count… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/25 11:44 AM |
| 3 | Let's talk about Gender TheoryI don't see how gender dysphoria couldn't be considered a mental illness. Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness. It's in the DSM-V. No one is saying that it isn't a mental illness (or at least I'm not). What I am saying is that it isn't "just delulu." It's not mentally healthy to be extremely distressed about your natural body and by people calling you a certain thing to the point where you consider harming yourself. By that standard, every form of aesthetic surgery is mental illness. And yes, bo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/25 09:12 AM |
| 1 | Let's talk about Gender TheoryFeeling no regrets doesn't mean there's no harm, especially when he had medical treatments and these medical treatments have a measurable opportunity cost in terms of money and time and effort. Again, some detransitioners (not your friend) have had double mastectomies and ended up regretting it. That is objective harm and economic cost (its economically a "digging and filling ditches" thing - a lot of time and effort and resources, all of which had alternative uses, are spent on something fundam… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/25 08:26 AM |
| 0 | Let's talk about Gender TheoryI have a good friend who detransitioned, he didn't harm others on his path so you are not making any sense with that comment. But he was harmed by transitioning. I didn't say he harmed anyone else. I'm saying he was a victim here. Also, sexual predators do not pretend to be trans, that is a classic fairy tale told by straight people afraid of trans people. I'm not straight, I'm not afraid of trans people, and there are literally documented instances of people who call themselves trans and have b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/25 08:14 AM |
| 2 | Let's talk about Gender TheoryHow wrong does a belief have to be before it is mentally unhealthy? People across all of life have tons of factually inaccurate beliefs, including some that are very dear to them and that they structure their own lives around. Let's look at religion. If you're personally religious you presumably believe only one religion is correct. If you're not religious you're skeptical of even one religion being correct. When does a religion become a mental illness? There are tons of factually wrong or irrat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/25 08:07 AM |
| -1 | Let's talk about Gender TheoryBeing trans isn't harming others so let trans people be. I basically agree, but whilst any person simply being trans isn't harming anyone, some aspects of what is commonly called "trans activism" ARE causing some harms. For example, allowing people to self-ID into the opposite sex's spaces does make things easier for certain predators to opportunistically take advantage of accommodations for trans people in order to access victims. This doesn't mean there shouldn't be any accommodations at all, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/25 07:59 AM |
| 6 | Let's talk about Gender TheoryPeople with body integrity disorder might be happy after cutting off their hand, but they’re still severely mentally ill. I have some sympathies for your position, but there's a flaw in your argument. "Mental illness" refers to a lot of different things. It isn't a synonym for "deluded" or "insane" ("insane" for one is a legal concept, not a psychological one). In addition, there are very substantial questions about how objective mental health diagnoses are. "Mental illness" doesn't equate to "b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/25 07:25 AM |
| 3 | Let's talk about Gender Theorygender theory is controversial because it is a frontal attack on the nuclear family and conservatism generally Not necessarily. If you see transwomen and transmen basically as people with a neurologically-based intersex condition, they can be fully incorporated into the nuclear family (just like a child with any other intersex/DSD condition). Many of them won't be able to have kids themselves, but infertility has always existed in conventional nuclear families. Not to mention, it can be argued t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/25 07:07 AM |
| 2 | Let's talk about Gender TheoryWhy does biology existing have anything to do with trans people? Trans identities are in the brain The brain is a biological organ. As such, biology is very critical in any scientific attempt to explain why some people reject identification with their biological sex (defined by gametes). The two leading theories to explain this (the gender identity theory and the Blanchardian theory) both root transgender identification in the brain. Basically they're neuroatypicalities. But there is debate betw… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/25 06:59 AM |
| 1 | Let's talk about Gender TheoryBy "gender theory" I guess you mean "gender identity ideology" right? The idea that everyone has an innate "gender" that may be entirely different from one's sex and pretty much everyone including children at very young ages has an essentially infallible knowledge of? And that this "gender" has no relationship to sexual orientation? If so, I am greatly skeptical of it. I think "gender identity" can be entirely removed from our model of sexology, whilst still being accommodating of transgender pe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/25 06:45 AM |
| 19 | Black Mirror's vile misandrist portrayal of an autistic male villain.'Sperg males are a target of particular hate from feminists. The bad blood goes way back, to Elevatorgate/Atheism Plus at the latest. But it likely goes back earlier than that. I try not to rely on biologizing any more than necessary, but at this point I am utterly convinced that ultimately women experience an intense instinctual "ick" towards 'sperg men, and this is what drives their onslaughts against nerd culture. They colonize it but truly hate the natives and want us out. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/07/25 11:53 PM |
| 3 | Lack of Romantic/Sexual Experience Stunts Social & Emotional Development in Young MenBecause society is becoming increasingly gender-mixed, even restrooms are going non-gendered. Are they really? I think multiple psychologists (not entirely sure about the social psych literature though) have discussed a phenomenon that mixed spaces become, de facto, women's spaces/gynocentric/gynonormative. The reason for this is the (well documented in the literature) fact men have an out-group bias towards women and will compete with each other to appease women. Consequently, an all-male space… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/25 08:46 PM |
| – | [Q4RP]: Why haven't you joined a more conservative community?Your particular parish may have been bad with the theology/catechization etc, but from what I know, the RCC says that unprocreative (including contracepted and anal) sex between a married opposite-sex couple is a violation of natural law and therefore a very big sin. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/25 01:02 PM |
| – | Pussy isn't charity and neither should be a nice guys kindnessYou think it’s emotive and irrational to say a conscience is what makes it feel bad to hurt and feel good to nurture? Because I don’t see what’s so emotive about it, it’s just a neutral fact. Motte-and-Bailey. Combined with continuing to skirt the argument. As I previously said, the statement that warm-fuzzy-feels exist and doing-good-gives-you-those-feels is indeed a psychological proposition. But, just like the British Moral Sentimentalists, you're implicitly treating that as the root of all m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 10:59 PM |
| – | Pussy isn't charity and neither should be a nice guys kindnessI'm not talking about not-wanting-to-fuck-me. I've literally told you, time and time again, that I agree no one is entitled to sex. I'm suspicious that you simply aren't interested in a good faith discussion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 10:52 PM |
| 0 | Why are you having trouble dating, in your earnest estimation?So in other words you have no actual evidence he wants to kill the autistic or practice eugenics on them. Typical. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 10:50 PM |
| – | Pussy isn't charity and neither should be a nice guys kindnessAnd you sound like you're being deliberately emotivist and irrationalist. Not to mention, your theory is neurotypical-normative and reduces morality down to a certain kind of neuro-emotional functioning. I have Asperger's Syndrome so my empathy is cognitive, rather than instinctual. Your moral belief system basically says I'm inherently evil because of something in my brain. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 12:44 PM |
| – | Pussy isn't charity and neither should be a nice guys kindnessWhat ethical philosophy rejects the notion that doing kind things feels good for people who like to be kind? You're slightly misrepresenting my argument (accidentally, I'm sure). The proposition that "doing good feels good" is actually not an ethical statement but rather a psychological statement that can be falsified. The idea that an innate "good feels good" mechanism is the root of human morality is the Moral Sentimentalism of Smith and Hume. All egoists (Plato, Aristotle, Stirner, Rand) reje… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 12:31 PM |
| – | Pussy isn't charity and neither should be a nice guys kindnessWomen like genuinely nice guys Yes, because genuinely spontaneous benevolence (prosocial investment) is a credible signal of both being able to make such investments and being inherently inclined to do it, thus meaning it is in at least some of your interests to be in a relationship with that kind of person. I have no idea why so many people are basically allergic to admit to egoistic behavior in dating. We all do it. Both men and women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 12:20 PM |
| – | Pussy isn't charity and neither should be a nice guys kindnessErm, no? That's absolutely not what I want and I'm not vilifying anyone. A reality of human nature is most people have appearance-based attractions. That is not a moral judgment, it is a positive statement about a facet of reality with some sad consequences. Frankly, the only way you can interpret me as "wanting women to be less shallow than men and are vilifying them for it" is reading what I wrote in exceptionally bad faith. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 12:13 PM |
| – | Pussy isn't charity and neither should be a nice guys kindnessPro-social behavior is a reward in and of itself for someone that is actually a nice person. That is an exceptionally controversial statement in the field of ethics, and most ethical philosophies outright reject it. the only people who don’t naturally ENJOY being nice and helping others are people who lack natural empathy. They’re not “nice people”. They’re not evil or inherently mean, but they don’t have a built in conscience that makes being nice to others feel good inherently. I disagree enti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 12:11 PM |
| – | Pussy isn't charity and neither should be a nice guys kindnessMost people are courteous to people who are nice to them. Yes. Because of a cultural norm and/or innate moral foundation based on reciprocity. You don’t owe friendship or intimacy to a stranger who chooses to be nice. Agreed. Merely civil treatment isn’t what these guys expect. Sure, you can find some manosphere denizens who want government subsidized real-life girlfriends. Most do not, myself included. What the vast majority want is just some basic sympathy for their plight, to not be treated b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 12:07 PM |
| – | Pussy isn't charity and neither should be a nice guys kindnessDuh but attraction isn’t hard. For most men, they find it easier to be attracted to any random woman than vice-versa. Attraction is hard(er) for men to trigger in women. I’ve dated fat girls and thin girls and brown girls and white girls and Asian girls and there’s something to like about just about any body, as long as you like the mind inside it. Would you describe yourself as demisexual or sapiosexual? Because actual demisexuality/sapiosexuality is rare. Much rarer than some people like to th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 12:00 PM |
| – | Pussy isn't charity and neither should be a nice guys kindnessIf your behavior changes just because someone won’t fuck you, you’re probably not a super kind person. Prosocial behavior is an investment. If you want continued prosocial behavior, you need to reward it (i.e. make it pay off). Societies have complex codes of norms precisely to do this. And no, I'm not saying nice guys (or nice girls, for that matter) are owed sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 11:54 AM |
| – | Pussy isn't charity and neither should be a nice guys kindnessBut luckily there are millions of men and women who aren’t shallow, as well. Ie - I’ve known my current partner for over 25 years, and because I find their thought process and morality EXTREMELY engaging, I feel like I fall in love when them in new ways to this very day. It would be HIGHLY unlikely for you to not be sexually attracted to your partner, though. In addition, it would be HIGHLY unlikely for your attraction to not be based, in substantial part, on looks. But the key is to make sure t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 11:53 AM |
| – | Pussy isn't charity and neither should be a nice guys kindnessBut if you think someone is shallow, I don’t know why you’d want to date them. Because most men are shallow and know that and have made peace with that. And in the SMV (not the RMV), they absolutely want something 'shallow' and they're okay with that. And they're learning that women, too, are also shallow (in the SMV) like men are. This is a good thing. It is assisting the de-pedastalization of women, and in a way it is a victory for the Gender Similarities Hypothesis. Now if by "dating" you mea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 11:43 AM |
| 25 | The market depicts your value, not youYes. Markets determine your value (via the agglomeration of subjective preferences). Your SMV is the best (by your standards) that you can get. Now let's apply your same logic to women complaining about their Relationship Market Value. Because, no, it isn't different. Lots of articles and social media artefacts are full of women essentially lamenting that they are not worthy of a committed relationship from the kind of man they will accept. Are they also deluded? Or are the men who turn them dow… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 11:35 AM |
| 1 | [Q4RP]: Why haven't you joined a more conservative community?I merely speculated about what a particular TRP man might want. It should also be pointed out that, whilst I am no fan of the "oldest teenager in the house" thing (it is genuinely sexist, both malevolently and benevolently), the argument behind it is that the typical opposite-sex-attracted woman herself doesn't really want an egalitarian distribution of responsibilities/contributions to the relationship. A TRP man could, theoretically, have romantic daydreams about an actual egalitarian relation… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 10:59 AM |
| 3 | [Q4RP]: Why haven't you joined a more conservative community?Traditionalism imposed many costs on men. It didn't just give them everything they wanted, whenever they wanted, with no obligations and endless pussy on tap. Hell, in some versions of traditionalism (like that of the Roman Catholic Church), all forms of nonprocreative sex are banned between a married husband and wife. No oral, no anal, no fetishes, nothing but PIV without protection risking yet another 18+ year burden. Oh, and if you're not straight? Well God/Allah/Jehovah/Whomever hates fags! … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 10:20 AM |
| 4 | [Q4RP]: Why haven't you joined a more conservative community?Seems an awful lot of redpill dudes just wanna be dainty little malewives for a strong provider woman these days huh Alternatively, they may want an actually-egalitarian distribution of responsibilities within a committed relationship. Alternatively, they may not want a committed relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 10:05 AM |
| 2 | You can't argue for a female hivemind and conformity to the societal expectations and insist that women are just as deviant as menHow can the same demographic shamed and pressured into something as superficial as body hair removal find the wherewithal to blatantly flaunt social mores that are significantly more devastating and consequential? Not all social mores operate consistently in one direction. You could argue that in much mainstream feminist-influenced pop culture, the cultural norms encourage BOTH hair removal AND sexual liberation, even if there are some other cultural contexts that DON'T send the same messages. I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 01:53 AM |
| 3 | You can't argue for a female hivemind and conformity to the societal expectations and insist that women are just as deviant as menYou have a good argument - both the greater male variability hypothesis and the fact men are found to have more paraphilias than women on average back you up in some way. That said, you're package-dealing all kinds of "deviance" into one thing here, but someone can be very normal in certain ways and very atypical in others. You're also ignoring socio-cultural effects, like the possibility women are being culturally encouraged to sexually let their freak flags fly (and, ironically, women going al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 01:22 AM |
| 0 | Why are you having trouble dating, in your earnest estimation?Yes and I have never heard him say "we should kill all the autists." What I have heard him say is "we should investigate potential environmental causes of autism spectrum disorders." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 01:04 AM |
| 5 | Why are you having trouble dating, in your earnest estimation?Bro, cut that out rn, stop being conservative/right wing as someone with autism, they don't like us The libertarian right is disproportionately dominated by people on the autism spectrum, so there are in fact pro-autism rightists. and want to practice eugenics on us Evidence, please. Not to mention, the social justice left has basically been waging war on subcultures dominated by 'spergs for 15+ years at this point (starting with Elevatorgate)... basically cultural genocide... and the simple rea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/25 12:27 PM |
| 5 | What ways do you condone women using to choose better?I'm curious, specifically, how men aren't "allowed" to do any of these things when there's an entire manosphere that has been doing this for what, going on two decades? ...and having to do so in near-secret communities that are extremely private. Whereas the "womansphere" ranges from a clear majority of the mass market (including literature and fiction) in the entertainment industry to publicly-subsidized feminist activist organizations and academic departments. When even moderate men's issues s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/25 05:00 AM |
| 8 | What ways do you condone women using to choose better?But hypothetically speaking, I am still curious what men would say about what we should do, since they have very strong opinions about what we shouldn't do Not all men have the same opinion, the men here in pill-o-sphere spaces are likely dominated by outliers, and as you openly imply (when you say "I don't. And many women don't"), the opinions of men are irrelevant. Yes, the advice men give women will be tainted by their own self-interest (this, by the way, is the same critique many TRPers and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/25 02:37 AM |
| – | Money doesn't bring womenMy condolences for your suffering. I suggest spending your money entirely on yourself and never doing anything chivalrous/benevolently-sexist for a woman. Don't let them get a dime. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/25 12:39 AM |
| 1 | Q4Men: Would you be comfortable if your wife went to the female version of Hooters if she insisted that she was just there for the wings and not the men? Would you go with her for the wings?I'm not interested in marriage, plus I'm bisexual, so that biases the results of asking me. But as a foodie, my answer is "if the wings are good, yes." And as someone who has dined at Hooters before, I'll take my wings with Teriyaki & Ranch, thank you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/25 12:27 AM |
| 3 | How did you get into Men's Rights?Thank you for your condolences. It was rough, but it absolutely redpilled me. | /r/MensRights | 12/07/25 11:56 PM |
| 7 | How did you get into Men's Rights?Elevatorgate and the feminist-precipitated breakdown of the new atheist movement. That, and an encounter with online feminists in which I nearly got doxxed, that exposed me to just how misandrist they are and how they really have total hate for men who aren't sex-stereotype conforming (despite their claim to be against sex stereotypes). | /r/MensRights | 12/07/25 10:48 AM |
| 5 | I don't get why men are surprised with womens behaviors or actions.Why is it bad to be attracted to attractive people? Nothing. The problem is society-wide gaslighting of men about the fact that women are just as shallow as they are. This gaslighting occurs and is entrenched because it fuels benevolent sexism (i.e. female privilege). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/25 11:37 PM |
| – | The take that women are conformists by default is one by made my men who are conformist themselves but are compensating due to itpeople say "women have high agreeableness" which means the same thing The exact proposition "women have higher average agreeableness than men." Which has been repeatedly replicated multiple times in social psychology literature. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/25 11:01 PM |
| – | Women do not refuse the red pill arguments, they detest the label and who is declaring themIn my experience, a guy is more on the grind of how to improve and that involves humility and will take better criticism. That's what I meant when I said "This may be due to the fact that traditional sex roles force men to be much more ruthlessly practical (whereas women are somewhat infantilized by said sex roles). Men have a smaller scope for "rational irrationality" in general." Saying that on average, men are socially trained to be more rational than women does not mean the typical man is mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/25 10:36 PM |
| 1 | Women do not refuse the red pill arguments, they detest the label and who is declaring themYou really think that and not they just want someone honest and comfortable in their own skin? Again, you're evading the question of why honesty and 'comfort in their own skin' is sexually desirable. And we've already proven in study after study that sexual desirability is tied to evolutionary outcomes. This has been proven for both men and women. I mean we literally had a culture war about 20 to 25 years ago over the scientific validity of evolutionary theory and whether or not what people are … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/25 10:21 PM |
| – | Women do not refuse the red pill arguments, they detest the label and who is declaring themYou suggested it was discrimination based on men for their natural state It is, but I don't think of it as immoral discrimination. Everyone sexually discriminates, and that's okay. In the realm of sexuality, wanting partners to avoid mimicry/manipulation/inauthenticity is basically about wanting your partners to not misrepresent their actual genetic qualities. And that's okay. No female wants to be knocked up with a baby-who'll-grow-up-to-be-an-incel (its a genetic dead end). a common incel argu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/25 12:52 PM |
| 1 | Men want women to work for them for freeWhen you marry someone, you are agreeing that your assets are now shared and will be split 50/50. To be more accurate, you're agreeing that assets acquired during the marriage will be split 50/50. Pre-marital property is not subject to such a split. And, for the record, I actually agree with your case for some degree of alimony and a share of the assets. She did contribute to the corporation (marriage is like a corporation) through taking care of jobs which allowed her husband to focus on career… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/25 11:06 AM |
| 1 | Women do not refuse the red pill arguments, they detest the label and who is declaring themI never suggested otherwise. What I suggested is an explanation for why, in this particular realm of human action, inauthenticity (on the part of men) is seen as particularly horrible (moreso than in other realms of human action). The answer - it is in the genetic self-interest of women to prevent men from mimicry. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/25 09:26 AM |
| 1 | Women do not refuse the red pill arguments, they detest the label and who is declaring themWomen value their emotions and feelings over logic and truth. And will only accept logic and truth if it coincides with their feelings or its net nuetral or net positive. To be entirely fair this is true of most men as well. Orientation towards truth over social acceptability is a property of an outlier demographic that is mostly (but not entirely) male - not a property of "most men on average." At best, you can argue men are relative to women more likely to favor unvarnished truth over socially… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/25 06:46 AM |
| 2 | Women do not refuse the red pill arguments, they detest the label and who is declaring themThat's correct, but it doesn't actually contradict what /u/Logos1789 said. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/25 01:38 AM |
| 2 | Women do not refuse the red pill arguments, they detest the label and who is declaring themWhy would women not want men to be attractive to them? Short reason - women want naturals, not mimics. It ultimately comes down to the fact that acquired traits are not passed on genetically. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/25 01:36 AM |
| 1 | Women do not refuse the red pill arguments, they detest the label and who is declaring themUpvoted. Sure, I agree some TRP ideas are genuinely sexist. But the OP is right - most of TRP, when phrased in a female-flattering/gynocentric manner, is stuff that the vast majority of women would eagerly accept. A significant contributor to women's hatred of TRP is that TRP - and indeed any dating advice that actually works for men - goes against women's genetic self-interest. Why? Because it is fundamentally mimicry, whereas the female's reproductive self-interest is to secure a natural (i.e.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/25 01:33 AM |
| 3 | Most people, regardless of political affiliation, believe men who date trans women are gay or bisexual.Thank you for the transparency. So if I'm understanding you correctly, you basically believe that "masculine" and "feminine" are both essentially real, but there's a spectrum and complex trade-off between the two? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/25 11:43 AM |
| 1 | Most people, regardless of political affiliation, believe men who date trans women are gay or bisexual.Absolutely no Christian denomination considers Mormons to be Christians This is only true if you define "Christian" as including the belief that Mormons are not Christians. I'm an atheist so this isn't a personal argument for me, but there are many denominations of Christianity that do think Mormons are Christian (if heterodox). The Episcopalians/Anglicans certainly take this position. There's also a long tradition of Classical Inclusivism in Christian thought, which can be fairly construed as a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/25 09:04 AM |
| 4 | Most people, regardless of political affiliation, believe men who date trans women are gay or bisexual.I see femininity and masculinity as universal energy forces Not attacking you, just wanting to understand you. So you're a feminist leftist who believes in gender essentialism then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/25 08:36 AM |
| 2 | I don’t think men are “intimidated” by strong independent womenYour entire argument is based on ignoring the dehumanization men receive in women's spaces (which are much more politically popular and influential), whilst condemning the inverse. Either both are unacceptable or both are acceptable. You can't condemn one yet tolerate the other. And, as a man in manosphere spaces, I resolutely oppose the dehumanization of women (including the benevolently-sexist dehumanization of women). I recognize some other men do dehumanize women, and I oppose them, and I wa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/25 05:30 AM |
| 2 | I don’t think men are “intimidated” by strong independent womenThe sidebar of TRP sub has topics like "women are the oldest teenagers in the house" I'm on record criticizing that specific stance. That's one of the big reasons I'm Purple, not Red. and "how to tease and tame bitches". Show me any female based subreddit that has sidebar infos on how to infantalize and dehumanise men. Tons of dating advice for women, including books published by mainstream publishers, pushes precisely the same thing. "How to train your husband/boyfriend" etc. The only one that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/25 05:19 AM |
| 2 | I don’t think men are “intimidated” by strong independent womenyou dont see the radicalisation of young men that view women as subhumans that dont deserve the right to their own body. The proportion of the manosphere that wants to roll back women's actual human rights is a minority. In addition, your criticism (sex-flipped) applies to feminism too, which is a much more popular and politically influential, yet gets away with conspiring against men's legitimate rights claims. Every single time male groups start popping up that bemoan the mental health issues … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/25 04:51 AM |
| 22 | Women preach “confidence” but get annoyed when average men think they have a chance with themWell then, IF you believe that institutional racism or institutional sexism or any other kind of institutionalized ableism is a Big Important Civil Rights Issue, then your acceptance of institutionalized ableism that hurts autistic men makes you a total fucking hypocrite. You are also complicit in institutionalized oppression (or at the very least mistreatment/exploitation). In addition, autism is just as neurologically real as homosexuality (nonheterosexual sexual orientations have been demonst… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/25 03:45 AM |
| 26 | Women preach “confidence” but get annoyed when average men think they have a chance with themEvery fucking advice given ever in the history of dating needs detail and nuance. It’s you fucking black pillers who don’t understand this ffs so infuriating Translation: "I'm totally okay with institutionalized ableism when it hurts autistic men." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/25 02:29 AM |
| 9 | Being hookup material is much better than being husband material.All of this homoerotic anguish Stop using homophobic shaming tactics against men. there is a percentage of men who are attractive to women but who do not want casual sex or a harem. Hot dudes whom are natural monogamists are a small portion of a small portion. Sure, they exist, but they are rare, and most men aren't natural monogamists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/25 02:18 AM |
| 2 | I don’t think men are “intimidated” by strong independent womenThe alternative is having a support group that doesn't focus on putting all the blame on women Ahhh, so now we see your real motivation. You don't like that these groups see women in a less-than-flattering light (they don't really blame women in the moral sense, they just say female sexuality is pickier than male sexuality). You don't really care about men's mental health, except when it might impact women's interests. and how they can be "gamed" and how to improve yourself just to be more attra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/25 01:26 AM |
| 1 | I don’t think men are “intimidated” by strong independent womenTRP and manosphere aren't supportive communities though. I agree they're very imperfect. What's the alternative? Expensive therapy that tells these men to shut up, man up and remember that women always have it worse? If they were we wouldn't see the rise of loneliness in men. You're presuming the manosphere caused the loneliness. It's more likely that the manosphere has been growing as a consequence of this loneliness. For some reason men rather would scream into the void and drag each other dow… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/25 02:07 PM |
| 7 | We Talk About Women’s Biological Clock. But Sperm Quality Has a Clock TooThe redpill ideology spawned a lot of discourse regarding relationship advice. I remember for example that a lot of women picked up the grift and ran with it online. Lauren Southern is one example, she made a video telling women to save their virginity and marry a man 10 years older. It may not be redpill in the strictest sense, but it is adjacent enough. Okay, so you found one "tradthot" making a gynocentric (i.e. premised on women's self-interest) case for something that seems to be a blend of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/25 11:32 AM |
| 2 | I don’t think men are “intimidated” by strong independent womenYou get a dopamine boost. Same as drugs, porn and anything other addictive. "X is addictive" doesn't mean "X is wrong" or "X is evil" or "X is counterproductive." You should also look into Gary Becker's concept of Rational Addiction. You aren't paying in therapy to vent. You pay to change your mindset and change the way your brain handles certain thoughts. Why should men with dating problems seek to change their mindset or change the way their brain handles certain thoughts? I presume you're spe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/25 11:25 AM |
| 7 | We Talk About Women’s Biological Clock. But Sperm Quality Has a Clock TooIirc redpillers advise most men to "spin plates" and never settle. "Settle" should be replaced with "commit." Also, TRP is androcentric dating advice. This means it is geared to help men secure what they want out of dating/sex/romance. The average opposite-sex-attracted man is interested in being able to achieve relatively easy hookups. They also say that a mans sexual market value is more about money and status. And that because of it men gain value with age and women lose it. Because they mist… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/25 10:46 AM |
| 10 | We Talk About Women’s Biological Clock. But Sperm Quality Has a Clock TooSure, but women having sex with younger men is also a thing. Yes, I agree. So what? If you look at all the data on aggregate, the average man is focused on a narrower age cohort of the opposite sex than the average woman is. This is transcultural and transhistorical, which implies there's likely something biological behind it. If evolution favors sexual habits which result in reproductively viable offspring, then we can fairly speculate men's narrower age cohort focus is because women have a bri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/25 10:14 AM |
| 15 | We Talk About Women’s Biological Clock. But Sperm Quality Has a Clock Too"You"? I'm a purple piller and I've made my disagreements with certain aspects of TRP very clear. Don't accuse me of uncritically agreeing with everything they say. Redpill men talk about "chad" yet they deny the important puzzle piece. "Chad" is a young man in his physical prime because his appearance signals his reproductive peak. Which is at the exact same age as women's reproductive peak. Considering women themselves seem more than willing to sleep with guys whom are older than "Chad," eithe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/25 09:51 AM |
| 15 | We Talk About Women’s Biological Clock. But Sperm Quality Has a Clock TooSo what? The project of constructing a sex/dating/romantic praxeology doesn't depend on whether or not someone wants kids. It depends on whether or not someone wants sex and/or romantic relationships. Discussions about "the wall" are unfairly and unreasonably moralized. "The wall" (or, more accurately, the impact of age on attractiveness) is not a moral issue. It is merely a somewhat undiplomatic way to point out that, on average, a man's "optimum window of attractiveness and reproductive fitnes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/25 09:25 AM |
| 1 | I don’t think men are “intimidated” by strong independent womenVenting without guidance is pointless. If they didn't experience some sort of subjective benefit from venting, they wouldn't do it, ergo it clearly isn't "pointless." They should go to therapy So people should be expected to pay for the right to blow off steam? Fuck the poor, amirite? People shouldn't be allowed to blow off steam for free on the internet in their own private spaces! They should have to pay! Not to mention, the way most therapists in America speak to men has been corrupted by mis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/25 09:03 AM |
| 2 | I don’t think men are “intimidated” by strong independent womenSo why aren't they doing that? Why are they still in here just venting? You're presuming, again, that one cannot simultaneously vent on reddit and rearrange their affairs and concentrate on things they enjoy other than dating (after all, talking about dating isn't the same thing as actually dating). You also don't understand that venting on reddit is therapeutic for the venter (i.e. it provides a benefit to them). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/25 07:19 AM |
| 3 | I don’t think men are “intimidated” by strong independent womenUpvoted. The problem is not women who actually are strong and independent. The problem is that subset of women who claim to be strong and independent but are really just being parasitic, contemptuous and entitled. An actually strong and independent woman does not conflate toxic femininity/being a bitch with personal empowerment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/25 06:37 AM |
| 2 | I don’t think men are “intimidated” by strong independent womenLet's assume it's true - how does that in any way shape or form help any of the guys struggling with dating? It allows men who are not genetically gifted to make informed and rational cost-benefit calculations about dating. If they happen to be the kind of man for whom "the juice is not worth the squeeze," then if they recognize they are exceptionally unlikely to get laid, they can reallocate their resources towards things that WILL pay off for them. Im just so confused why these guys dont try t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/25 06:35 AM |
| 5 | Women dont view having access to causal sex as a benefitHave you actually heard someone say that the draft is a privilege? I've frequently heard feminists claim that the draft is proof of male privilege. "Men are drafted because they're presumed to be stronger/more competent! That's a privilege!" Which comes back to my point about whether or not subjectivity of cost and benefit matter. The vast majority of men would NOT regard a presumption of superior competence/strength to be a net benefit if it came package dealt with a duty of military service (o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/25 05:10 PM |
| 10 | Women dont view having access to causal sex as a benefitWomen do not value casual sex. Men need to stop saying women have it so much easier because they have access to casual sex. Would you apply the same analysis to so-called "male privilege"? "It isn't a privilege for men if men don't want it" - like being sent off to die in wars etc. Or does the subjectivity of benefit/cost only apply if the impacted party is female? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/25 11:05 AM |
| 5 | A man being asocial, doesn't automatically make a man socially awkward or a loser.Yes, that is socially 'awkward.' More accurately, it is being socially atypical (not having the same basic socialization/interaction styles and drives as "normies"). This gets pathologized/stigmatized by "normies" because majorities tend to take themselves as the "good" and see any deviation as "bad." His popularity among girls was, as you correctly surmised, based on his looks. This alone gave him enough social status to avoid being thought of as a "loser" (i.e. person held in low esteem by mos… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/25 05:13 AM |
| 5 | The Politics of DatingI'm not red pill, but your definition of capitalism is false. Feudalism, Fascism and Marxism-Leninism all produced substantial wealth disparities in practice, too, so clearly you can't equate wealth disparities with capitalism. Meanwhile, for all of our society's inconsistencies with respect to economics (we live in a mixed economy, not a laissez-faire capitalist one), the most free-market-oriented societies on earth invariably have higher living standards and social mobility even for the poores… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/25 06:45 AM |
| 1 | Women are the privileged gender in the modern WestFemale circumcision is much, much, much more inhumane than male circumcision. They literally remove the clitorus. That's true in "type 3" and "type 4" FGM, but not in "type 1" and "type 2" FGM. MGM (male genital mutilation) is homologous to "type 2" FGM but the male foreskin has more tissue and more nerve endings than the female clitoral hood. If MRAs actually cared they'd advocate against RIC. Hi, I'm an MRA. And yes, we do advocate against RIC. It is a disgusting and unethical practice. Compar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/25 02:23 PM |
| 3 | Is there any redpill movies or any movies or shows that reinforced your belief?Hellraiser. The original Hellraiser. Larry is the Nice Guy. His brother Frank is the Alpha Fucks Bad Boy. Julia slept with Frank practically the night before marrying Larry, and was Alpha Widowed by the experience. Her marriage to Larry is a failed one. Julia is so desperate for good sex (i.e. for Frank, not Larry) she ends up becoming a serial killer when she has the opportunity to help rebuild Frank's body (its a complicated story). And when the movie was being filmed, one of the people workin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/25 12:51 PM |
| 5 | Is there any redpill movies or any movies or shows that reinforced your belief?It was Johnny Bravo. He's a tall muscular man who can't get a date because nothing is enough for these hypergamous women. I always thought that show was bluepill gaslighting that pushed the ideas women are somehow less shallow than men, and that "hot but jerk" men like Johnny always get rejected. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/25 12:47 PM |
| 1 | Is there any redpill movies or any movies or shows that reinforced your belief?Some things are implied. This is why I say that TRP is appealing for people who struggle understanding the world... I feel like TRP people can't deal with implications and assumptions, they need to be told everything. Correct, you're realizing that TRP is essentially self-help for men on the autism spectrum (or with sufficient levels of ASD traits that it interferes with their dating life). Why are you trying to sabotage their self-help? Why are you being ableist? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/25 11:29 AM |
| -1 | Most gendered problems are consequences of women upbringingI know many infantialized men AND women. I never said men could not be infantilized. There are many forces and influences over any person's life. Sex roles/societal mandates are just one of them. I (as a woman) have been financially independent since the age of eighteen. I put myself through college by working full-time. There are many of us. Sure. I don't deny that. I never suggested all women are infants or lacking in responsibility. Throughout my time in college, the workforce, and now law sc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/25 07:39 AM |
| 1 | Most gendered problems are consequences of women upbringingSee, now you can see it too See what? I have never denied that there's something wrong about women being infantilized. But just because women have been infantilized doesn't mean it is illegitimate for men to point out the consequences of this infantilization. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/25 06:59 AM |
| 4 | Most gendered problems are consequences of women upbringingit’s about how women are the issue because they are not responsible and act like there is no consequences. Well yes. That's what happens when a group is infantilized. They don't develop responsibility. The infantilization of women has consequences, not all of which are flattering to women. A group can be subjected to something cruel/unfair/immoral and impacted in ways that corrode their moral character. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/25 06:55 AM |
| 3 | Most gendered problems are consequences of women upbringingyes because we frequently say "girls will be girls" to explain away women's wrong actions instead of holding them accountable. As someone who actually is a man and was raised under male socialization, "boys will be boys" was absolutely never used to justify me engaging in even a single act of actual misconduct. In my experience, the phrase was used almost entirely by women, in a dismissive and mocking way, to respond to quirks or hobbies or preoccupations that were perceived (by these women) as … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/25 01:06 AM |
| 3 | Most gendered problems are consequences of women upbringingI was not raised this way No one is suggesting counterfactuals don't exist, but everyone across the gendersphere from feminists to MRAs have long recognized that western women are (most of the time) socialized in an infantilizing manner (or at least a far more infantilizing manner relative to a male baseline). That's OP's point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/25 12:27 AM |
| 3 | Most gendered problems are consequences of women upbringingAnother post, another blame on women. The post explicitly is about how women are raised, not "blaming women." The post basically says "women are infantilized, and this has consequences." How is that blaming women? The post says women are not being socialized in an appropriate manner, not that women are at fault. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/25 12:26 AM |
| 2 | "Berniesbros" Misandry 2016 to NowThank you. Its nice when there's agreement across the aisle. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/06/25 08:43 AM |
| 6 | Society Hates Men Who Adapt to the "New Normal" Created by FeminismMen who learn game, spin plates, or refuse to commit? Shamed as predators or losers. It's more that there are two groups. Those men who learn game and succeed (from the male perspective, i.e. achieve lots of casual sex without committing) are shamed as predators. Meanwhile, men who withdraw/go MGTOW are shamed as losers. And those men who do so and get vocal about it get called incels and have threat narratives constructed about them (i.e. "they're dangerous and on the cusp of a shooting spree!"… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/25 01:56 AM |
| 4 | "Berniesbros" Misandry 2016 to NowI'm a libertarian rather than a leftist, but I do have egalitarian values on sex issues so I am replying. The short answer is that so much of what we might call establishment progressivism (Hillary, Liz Warren etc) is really about middle-to-upper-class white women. They use blacks, gays etc to support their coalition but ultimately it is all about them. I think there are studies showing that it is this group (white women) that experiences the most benefits from things like affirmative action/DEI… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/06/25 09:05 AM |
| 1 | Despite what women tell you they are the biggest enforcers of stereotypical masculinityI partially agree with you, but I have some minor criticisms. First, it is hard to say women are the "biggest" enforcers. They certainly are in some areas (i.e. ones surrounding heterosexual dating). But in every possible context across society as a whole? Such a calculation would be incredibly difficult to make, I'm sure you'd concede. We know that stereotypical gender roles are enforced by many members of both sexes in many aspects of life, and "which sex does it more" doesn't strike me as par… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/25 04:03 AM |
| 4 | Political views are a mirror of one’s values and that’s why they matterIn addition to the above (which is entirely correct BTW), it should be noted that the US government is atypically dependent on income tax revenues. The welfare states of Northern Europe - typically seen as enviable social models by Democrats - are mostly funded by consumption taxes, and these taxes have a regressive impact (i.e. disproportionate impact on lower-income people). A lot of that welfare is really just churn rather than redistribution. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/25 03:18 PM |
| 5 | Political views are a mirror of one’s values and that’s why they matterHistorically that's true - Woodrow Wilson was a Democrat after all, and the neocons (who took over the establishment Republicans' Foreign Policy discourse during the Cold War) were originally Democrats. In addition, Democrats who explicitly ran on peace platforms turned out, in office, to be Hawks (Obama being the obvious case). That said, I didn't go into all the historical nuances because I wanted to operate off a brief and relatively widely-accepted definition of "what the American Right is '… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/25 07:21 AM |
| 4 | Political views are a mirror of one’s values and that’s why they matterBoth Dubya and Trump are pro-executive. A ruling class and a strong militaristic central government By that standard, FDR was on the political right, yet he remains a hero to the American left. And in terms of abuse of executive power, Biden and Obama engaged in a hell of a lot of that, too (not that the other side isn't equally guilty). in league with the wealthy. This is just a canard. There are millionaires and billionaires on both sides of American politics, including entire industries that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/25 04:37 AM |
| 7 | Political views are a mirror of one’s values and that’s why they matterBut here is the thing - they do. Now, 15-30 years ago they didn’t matter nearly as much because political parties were more closely aligned, but now left wing parties are farther left and right wing parties are farther right, I agree with you in many ways, but this is where I have to contest you. Have "right-wing" parties moved "further right"? I don't think so. Take the Republican Party in the USA. It is simply not intellectually honest to claim that (by the traditional definition of "right win… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/25 12:11 AM |
| 1 | Men are not attracted to young women because they are "naive and easy to manipulate" but mainly because they are thinner and have nicer skin. If you are a woman and you take care of yourself, you can post-pone "hitting the wall" and remain attractive even into your early 40s.Not sure why it’s so difficult for some of you men to comprehend that many (most?) women have zero interest in “following” or “being led” by anyone… I'm an egalitarian too, but you don't seem to understand. You're conflating leadership and social dominance with tyranny and rape. But what they're talking about is social status, which is something that the subordinates give to the superior, at least tacitly. Even in the real-world BDSM scene, power is given to the dominant by the submissive and th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/25 07:23 AM |
| 6 | Men with real problems need to stop looking to grifters and women to solve themDo you actually want things to improve for men or do you just want them to stop saying mean things about women on the internet? Look, I'm on record having several disagreements with certain Red Pill ideas as well as aspects of Red Pill rhetoric. But here's the thing - you talk about therapy, but much of Red Pill's rhetoric serves a therapeutic purpose for the guys who spout it. After being brainwashed into a cult of pedastalizing women, they need to deprogram themselves, and part of this require… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/25 09:41 AM |
| 4 | The internet has enabled men to listen in on female spaces, and men don't like what they hearRemember “hate fatties” Reddit? Last I remembered, FatPeopleHate was sex-neutral, and a lot of the posters were women posting pics of other fat women as a kind of aversion therapy or "thinspiration-by-horror-at-fatness." There were probably photos of fat guys on FPH too. I never visited that sub, but it strains credulity to think women never used FPH. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/25 07:59 AM |
| – | What is there to debate?They do need one You literally said "women have jobs now mate, they don't need a provider." Either they need a provider or they don't, but what /u/Logos1789 was saying was that even if they don't need a provider they still want one and act accordingly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/25 07:51 AM |
| 2 | All Women Are Essentially Sex Workers” — Tate’s Harsh Truth, Explained'nerd' just means you're obsessive and enthusiastic over something. Untrue. That is never what the term has meant. By that standard, "nerd" is a synonym for "fan." Normie teenage girls are "nerds" over the latest manufactured boy-band, etc. "Nerd" is actually a very specific neurologically-rooted personality type - in essence it refers to low levels of autism spectrum traits. Hence the "weird"/atypical interests, the introversion, the extreme levels of obsession, the social awkwardness, the low … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/25 11:06 PM |
| 1 | All Women Are Essentially Sex Workers” — Tate’s Harsh Truth, ExplainedIt's not about being a nerd, it's about ther personality. "Nerdness" is a personality type, rooted in neurological reality. Being a nerd is pretty normy, nowadays. The cultural appropriation of hobbies that used to be considered emblematic of "nerd culture" is what is "pretty normy." Actual nerd-ness is still considered loathsome. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/25 09:37 PM |
| 2 | Q4M: do guys want women to be obsessed with them?Do men similarly want a woman to be obsessed? Like she has a shrine dedicated to you with your hair, nail clipping, and used q-tips, with candles, and photos of you with everyone else clipped out? I can only speak for myself, but I find any kind of mystical "woo" to be a red flag (from a values/compatibility perspective, not a safety perspective), so "manifesting energy" is bad enough. But adding a stalker shrine onto that? That is literally frightening to me. That is Bunny Boiler territory. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/25 07:47 AM |
| 1 | Q4M: Thoughts on these common dating profile lines?an outgoing "I want an extravert/normie." emotionally available man "I want an emotional tampon." who is not afraid to show his vulnerable side. "A man whom is sufficiently masculine that I interpret his emotions as a kind of 'countersignaling.' But I'm using feminist language because of Social Desirability Bias." A man who can keep up, "A man who is ambitious, determined and can put up with my shit." KNOWS WHAT HE WANTS "Do I need to remind you again that I still want a man who fits traditional… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/25 02:19 AM |
| 13 | Most men aren’t privileged, they are just suffering differently and it’s not a competitionPatriarchy only benefits the men at the top. Indeed. Too many feminists think it means "androcracy" (rule by men) though. Patriarchs are a minority of men, who see other males as practically a separate gender. If the feminists were willing to accept some sort of three-or-more-class model of human society, they'd be less objectionable (and less nasty to males in general). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/25 06:50 AM |
| 2 | Sabrina Carpenter’s new song “Manchild” is misandrist and hatefulThe technical definition of "rape culture" is cultural norms/values/expectations/tropes/etc that enable or encourage or excuse rape. "He had an erection, he was into it" is rape culture. "Men can't be raped" (an article of faith among the Mary Koss school of feminism) is rape culture. Widespread indifference to prison rape (or the belief that prisoners deserve to be raped anyway) is rape culture. Women who set up shit-tests designed to screen for "naturally charismatic" men (genetic Chads) throu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/25 05:26 AM |
| 2 | Sabrina Carpenter’s new song “Manchild” is misandrist and hatefulRape culture isn’t a thing. It is, but not only are men often victims of it (the term "rape culture" originated to describe prison rape), women are often responsible for perpetuating it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/25 04:26 AM |
| 2 | Why do women hate guys who use OnlyFans when it’s pro feminist?Good for you for being consistent. Unfortunately, a lot of people aren't consistent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/25 01:49 AM |
| 4 | Women aversion to dating bisexual men is mostly due to traditional masculinity and rigid male gender norms.I love homophobic radfems! They make me so fucking happy to be non-hetero. You totally just made me prouder this Pride Month :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/25 01:47 AM |
| 2 | Women aversion to dating bisexual men is mostly due to traditional masculinity and rigid male gender norms.Women get social bonuses from identifying as bisexual. Men incur social costs when they do so openly. This skews all self-ID data. I'd wager a huge number of those women who call themselves bi are really straight and trying to make themselves look more avant-garde. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/25 01:39 AM |
| 2 | Women aversion to dating bisexual men is mostly due to traditional masculinity and rigid male gender norms.and basically based on studies, its extremely rare for men to be bisexual, they tend to be either gay or straight. If you're talking about the original study done by J Michael Bailey, that study had multiple methodological flaws which were subsequently corrected in an attempted replication, in which Bailey collaborated with the American Institute of Bisexuality (a serious sexology research group). This attempted replication failed to confirm the findings of the initial flawed study. And my perso… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/25 01:36 AM |
| 2 | Sabrina Carpenter’s new song “Manchild” is misandrist and hatefulI think robin thicke mostly got backlash because he actually sexually harassed the models on the shoot. There were plenty of feminist organizations that were totally triggered over the lyrics (read out of context) alone, and multiple university student councils (bodies that are invariably dominated by the intersectional feminist left) banned the song from campus events. As for sexually harassing models, Em Rata certainly leveraged her appearance in that video quite adroitly, but turning herself … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/25 01:16 AM |
| 2 | Sabrina Carpenter’s new song “Manchild” is misandrist and hatefulRemember the backlash to Blurred Lines? And that song wasn't even about rape. It was about a woman who had been so consistently slut-shamed by her ex that she became unable to communicate her sexual desires openly and enthusiastically. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/25 01:09 AM |
| 2 | Women are held more accountable than men are by redpillersYes, "sexual communism" does in fact require an authoritarian state, just like every attempt to implement or achieve actual communism on a wide scale has collapsed into an authoritarian state. And /u/IgorXY rejected instituting "sexual communism." Explicitly. The issue is that you accused him of wanting to institute 'sexual communism', on the basis of a post in which he explicitly rejected doing so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/25 05:02 AM |
| 6 | Misogynist young adults get more sexPrecisely. The literature on looks-based-prejudice and the Halo Effect is pretty damning on this. Physically hot + loner = "he's a tragic misunderstood Byronic hero who needs love!" Physically ugly + loner = "he's a school shooter in waiting and likely a misogynist who deserves to be lonely anyway!" And it isn't like women, or feminists, lack knowledge of looks-based prejudice. They'll cite the same literature too, when arguing for "body positivity" and anything else that allows them to criticiz… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/25 03:32 AM |
| 4 | Women are held more accountable than men are by redpillersGROAN. Read /u/IgorXY's comments again. It is very clear that he was using "communism" and "capitalism" loosely, where the latter is a system of inequitable results and the former is a system of evenly distributed outcomes (no, this is not the technical meaning of either of these terms in economics, but it is CLEAR this is what he meant). This resulted in him describing the contemporary sexual/relationship marketplace as "sexual capitalism" (again, loosely/metaphorically) - where outcomes are gr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/25 03:07 AM |
| 2 | Women are held more accountable than men are by redpillersI agree to an extent... but RPers often do fall back into deeply infantilizing women sometimes ("they can't help it, they're mentally teenagers" etc). Sure, some RPers hold women more responsible for things than they do men. Fine. Frankly, so what? Society in general does the exact opposite thanks to chivalry. Feminism does the exact opposite thanks to gynocentrism & patriarchy theory. TRP, and the whole manosphere at large (of which TRP is a subgroup), is a tiny subculture in comparison... an i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/25 02:57 AM |
| 3 | Women are held more accountable than men are by redpillersI absolutely agree with you. But /u/IgorXY directly stated that they opposed distributing love to everyone who doesn't have it. They directly said "there is not changing the system. Communism won't work." In other words, they were saying we cannot/should not revert to "sexual communism" (i.e. redistribution of sex/love). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/25 02:38 AM |
| 3 | Women are held more accountable than men are by redpillersLove is not a commodity. Love is not a commodity, but that doesn't mean an economic model cannot be used to understand/describe/analyze dating and relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/25 02:19 AM |
| 2 | Why do women hate guys who use OnlyFans when it’s pro feminist?Indeed, the so-called "Nordic Model." Which is of course premised on the idea that every woman in the sex industry is a "prostituted woman" (as opposed to a woman who decides to sell sex). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/25 12:07 AM |
| 2 | Why do women hate guys who use OnlyFans when it’s pro feminist?Oh same here. Its a very silly mindset that makes sense in music videos but not in reality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/25 11:04 PM |
| 2 | Why do women hate guys who use OnlyFans when it’s pro feminist?No. I'm saying that mainstream normal society's current concept of "female empowerment" promotes contempt towards men who provide business to sex workers. I did not defend this particular concept of "female empowerment." Indeed, I'm quite critical of it. Like you correctly said, it is self-defeating from the perspective of the sex worker. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/25 10:56 PM |
| 1 | In order for men to be successful in dating, they must transform into a commodityI have. His arguments are highly contestable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/25 10:54 PM |
| 6 | Women with messed-up/morally problematic interests are shown more grace than men with nerdy/unusual but not morally problematic interestsI reject your argument that true crime is somehow an immoral or problematic interest. I absolutely accept your argument that atypical/hegemonic-masculinity-incongruent/weird/nerdy interests in men are stigmatized more greatly than when they appear in women, however. For quick proof, compare how people treat Lolicon relative to Shotacon. Still, "making trauma into entertainment"? That's what tons of comedy does. I don't see why dark jokes about (say) the latest terrorist incident are acceptable e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/25 10:38 AM |
| 1 | In order for men to be successful in dating, they must transform into a commodityErm, no? I'm not saying romantic dynamics don't exist. I'm saying that economic tools/theories/models/concepts are applicable to dating and romance. "Economics" isn't restricted to money-denominated transactions within commodities markets. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/25 09:59 AM |
| 2 | In order for men to be successful in dating, they must transform into a commodityThat isn't an argument, I don't date (don't want family or children), and I'm a professional economist so yes, I happen to discuss a lot of things in terms of economic frameworks and theories. The question is not whether or not using an economic model to understand dating and romance is attractive to most people. It isn't, and I never said it was. The question is whether or not the model is useful (in understanding the realities of dating). And it clearly is a useful model. Your counterargument … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/25 09:55 AM |
| 4 | In order for men to be successful in dating, they must transform into a commodityDating unavoidably involves opportunity costs (the time you spend dating one person can't be spent dating another person, for example). It is perfectly possible and even helpful to analyze dating with economic models. This idea that "BUT LOVE AND FEELZ OVERRIDE ECONOMIC REALITY" is romanticist bilge based in a denial of a reality and a retreat into magical thinking. The very act of dating itself is an example of people incurring search & information costs in order to research potential partners … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/25 02:30 AM |
| 1 | In order for men to be successful in dating, they must transform into a commodityYou think “social contract” is a literal contract. That's not what u/Zestyclose_Use7404 was saying. Clearly, Zesty's argument was that the idea of a "social contract" is a bit silly... kind of a self-contradictory metaphor or at the very least a bad analogy... because contracts require informed consent from all parties to be binding and have formalized terms specified in a document. "Social contracts" are usually described as tacit and implicit (whereas contracts are explicit) and universally-bi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/25 02:21 AM |
| 6 | Why do women hate guys who use OnlyFans when it’s pro feminist?it doesnt makes sense to claim only fans empowers women but at the same time stigmatize the consumers If you view the "exercise of power" in question as the ability to exploit and look down upon consumers you consider pathetic and icky, then stigmatizing those consumers is absolutely part of the female empowerment provided by OnlyFans. The OP is right if you see entrepreneurial achievement in the sex trade as a form of empowerment (and I agree with that position), since choking off demand conseq… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/25 01:28 AM |
| 16 | Why do women hate guys who use OnlyFans when it’s pro feminist?"Choosing not to be with someone" isn't hate. Culturally stigmatizing that person as part of a demographic ("men who use porn....ewww, losers"), blaming them for exploitative aspects of the sex trade, and that kind of stuff, is hateful however. Two points to emphasize: I'm not accusing you of being hateful, and, I don't see being hateful as a sufficient transgression to override your freedom of association anyway, so yes, you can reject a relationship with absolutely anyone for any reason whatso… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/25 01:17 AM |
| 9 | Why do women hate guys who use OnlyFans when it’s pro feminist?Women see (straight) men who "have to" use porn as losers/incels/LVMs/unfuckables. That's the real reason. "They exploit women through creating a market for porn" is the post-hoc ideological rationalization for the ick. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/25 01:11 AM |
| 10 | The Dual Pathways Hypothesis of Incel Harm: A Model of Harmful Attitudes and Beliefs Among Involuntary CelibatesI still think its ridiculous that they used the "rape myth acceptance" scale to measure misogyny. The RMA scale is, at least last time I read it, full of absurdly absolutist wording that requires you to answer "no, this never happens ever" otherwise you're being a misogynist. Even though there are actual news reports and court cases that prove that yes, some women sometimes lie about rape. Of COURSE not all women/not all the time, that goes without saying. In addition, the scale includes some pr… | /r/BlackPillScience | 10/06/25 12:10 PM |
| 0 | Shaming women for doing the very thing you want them to do“Enjoying sex is gay” is one of their new slogans. I'm not a member of present-day red pill spaces (I'm familiar with the theory/praxeology, not the internal culture of the forums), but seriously? TRP seriously needs to ditch the tradcons and bring back the (aspiring) manwhores. It SHOULD be a sex-positive space for men-having-sex at least... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/25 12:43 AM |
| 16 | Shaming women for doing the very thing you want them to doThere’s a guy in the Daily Thread here who always muses about how girls who give blow jobs are girlfriend material only, and that he cannot imagine his wife and mother of their children sucking dick… lol. So... he actively wants a sexually dull marriage? Wow. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/25 12:40 AM |
| 10 | Historically, the average dude likely never found academics easyYou make a very good point. I think a big problem in gender discussions is "nerd normativity." The kind of guys on Reddit assume they're representative of the "average" man. Hence they come to conclusions like men are on-average more rational and cerebral than women. NO, the cohort of men on Reddit skews more rational and cerebral than the average woman. But that's not an excuse for the education system favoring the propensities over the average young female over the average young male. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/25 07:19 AM |
| 2 | Girls do well in school not because teachers prioritize them, it's because the female "nature" is more suitable for that environment than the male nature is.You aren't engaging with the argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/25 01:30 AM |
| 3 | Girls do well in school not because teachers prioritize them, it's because the female "nature" is more suitable for that environment than the male nature is.And how, exactly, is this consistent with your proposition that men are naturally more rebellious and nonconformist than women? Because it sounds to me like you're espousing two contradictory positions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/25 07:38 AM |
| 4 | Girls do well in school not because teachers prioritize them, it's because the female "nature" is more suitable for that environment than the male nature is.You claimed men are more individualist and rebellious whereas women are more conformist and obedient. Again, this doesn't fit with the empirical reality of how the military (built on conformity and obedience) is seen as the utter apex of conventional masculinity. Also, the best performers in STEM... an indoor and bookish thing... are males. Still. I am radically opposed to the current education system and I agree boys are served poorly by it, but your critique is FULL of holes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/25 11:27 PM |
| 3 | Girls do well in school not because teachers prioritize them, it's because the female "nature" is more suitable for that environment than the male nature is.Obediently playing team sports (when forced to via mandatory "physical education" classes) and getting concussions and being beaten by the coach for not performing well enough is not "frolicking in the grass." Meanwhile, some boys genuinely want to read books indoors. Are they "lesser men" in your view? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/25 12:57 PM |
| 6 | Girls do well in school not because teachers prioritize them, it's because the female "nature" is more suitable for that environment than the male nature is.>For men, Rebels and nonconformists and risk takers, and physically active men who do what they want over what theyre told, were more likely to reproduce. Sort of. Tons of rebels and nonconformists and risk-takers were nerdy or gay or both. And plenty of hot physically active men were absolutely normie/conformist as hell. Reproduction often awarded the dutiful soldier over the genuine renegade. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/25 10:31 AM |
| – | Modern dating problems are blamed entirely on men, even though they're just trying to participate in hookup cultureA lamentation that takes the form or rage and bitterness against women? Sounds like entitlement to me… Category error. A lamentation, no matter how vicious or angry or bitter, only becomes "entitlement" when it contains within it a demand that another person (or group of persons) must act (or not act) in a specific way, above-and-beyond respecting everyone's rights and rendering the usual common decency and civility one expects from absolutely everyone else, for the sake of the demander. Being a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/25 08:52 AM |
| – | Modern dating problems are blamed entirely on men, even though they're just trying to participate in hookup cultureTHANK YOU for pointing this out. "I am sad I can't get sex, being considered unfuckable hurts my feelings and I need to vent" is a categorically different thing to "I am owed sex and if I am not given sex (by someone I find sexually attractive) I will start being violent." Now, there is a complicated case where a man says "I did what society told me was necessary to earn sex, and I am angry that this sex hasn't yet been granted to me despite my compliance." But whilst this can be interpreted as … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/25 08:38 AM |
| 10 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as disgusting.Men who can't get sex aren't seen as ugly, their entilement/creepiness/obsession/cynicism/misogyny, if they exhibit it however, is. Their ugly appearance causes a disgust reaction that many women rationalize as "caused by his entilement/creepiness/obsession/cynicism/misogyny." Sure, not all women do this and not all the time. But there's quite an extensive social-psych literature on this subject (the Halo Effect). People with unattractive physical appearances are presumed to have character flaws… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/25 07:31 AM |
| 1 | Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer praises hard working menWarmongers are a bipartisan phenomenon in the US, and Trump is noticeably less warmongering than previous Republican presidents. Also there is massive overlap between Never Trump Republicans and Neocon Warmongers (see Liz Cheney). If you're an anti-war leftist the best things you can do are resurrect the anti-war wing of the Donkey Party (which basically evaporated after Obama got elected) and signal boost the anti-interventionist wing of the Republican Party, NOT engage in partisan cheerleading… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/25 02:20 AM |
| 3 | Tinder is testing a HEIGHT filter - as devastated users say it's 'over for short men'Agreed. Everyone is entitled to their preferences, even the shallow ones. But the double standard is galling. Our society basically empowers women to have completely superficial preferences, and literally structures the institutions of our SMP/RMP (and Tinder is one of those institutions - it is a platform for finding partners) in a way that enables such preferences in women... but not men. Again, what justifies such an atrocious double standard here? The only logic I can see which justifies tha… | /r/MensRights | 03/06/25 11:39 AM |
| – | No, Men are not intimidated by strong independent womenYou're describing angry weirdos that have nothing to do with this term at all. And those angry weirdos justify their terrible personalities by calling themselves "strong, independent, empowered women." That's why the phrase "strong independent woman" refers to an archetype/meme that means something other than a literal reading of the phrase. It's the same way men call misandrists feminists when you know they aren't the same people. Non-misandrist feminists are not part of, or have no influence o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/25 10:35 AM |
| 19 | Many schools are dealing with consequences of toxic masculinity each day – unionTeacher's unions are the worst of the worst in terms of self-interested government employees who lust for power. They should be abolished. And of course they all want a classroom where the students are all obedient, quiet and agreeable... i.e. more 'feminized' (speaking in personality psychology terms, where for whatever reason, these traits just happen to be more common in females than males). They used to enforce this through the reign of terror of physical violence (corporal punishment in sch… | /r/MensRights | 03/06/25 09:35 AM |
| 19 | Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer praises hard working menWretched Gretchen is just celebrating men adhering to traditional gender roles. Whilst she IS realizing that men who do so do provide societal benefit and perhaps should get some gratitude, she's really just engaging in a left-flavored version of Tradconism (or perhaps a secular version of the kind of pro-union leftist catholic Tradconism that you can find in Compact Magazine). This IS an improvement over "lol fuck men" but its a very modest improvement that only means that just now the Donkeys … | /r/MensRights | 03/06/25 02:01 AM |
| 1 | Father loses custody after refusing to affirm 2-year-old’s gender identity what are the limits of parental rights?The desistance rate is actually around 80% (https://statsforgender.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Gender-related-distress-will-alleviate-for-around-80-of-pre-teen-children-once-they-become-teenagers.pdf), at least if we're looking at Early-Onset GD (I don't know the stats for Adolescent-Onset GD). And before you claim "but the source is a gender-critical organization!" they're citing publicly-available, peer-reviewed journal literature on the subject!. Desistance is the norm, not the exception. … | /r/MensRights | 03/06/25 01:25 AM |
| 2 | What are some criticisms about the other gender that make you roll your eyes or cringe?let's try instead talking about things you've seen people of your gender say about the other gender, that you disapprove of, consider stupid or outright sexist. Sure! "Women are incapable of reason" - they're not incapable of it, they just get infantilized by society (a process they're partially complicit in because there are benefits to being infantilized). The idea that women are incapable of reason only perpetuates the problems we're dealing with. "Women love assholes" - no, they love attract… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 07:44 AM |
| 2 | Father loses custody after refusing to affirm 2-year-old’s gender identity what are the limits of parental rights?i personally do not think it's reasonable to give the benefit of the doubt to the parent who is crusading about "gender ideology And I don't think it is reasonable to give the benefit of the doubt to a violent wife who is in the position to weaponize the law in her favor. The law as currently written enables abusers to use "but my child is trans" as a pretext to win custody battles. Again, the child is two. The child isn't even old enough to have a clinical diagnosis of GD. | /r/MensRights | 02/06/25 05:35 AM |
| 3 | Father loses custody after refusing to affirm 2-year-old’s gender identity what are the limits of parental rights?please educate yourself before you talk about trans issues. I am quite well educated on the subject of trans issues. I just don't believe in the "woke" paradigm of understanding trans. I'm a neo-Blanchardian. gender transition is the way you treat gender dysphoria. If it is chronic, absolutely. But the desistance rates make it very clear that it is hard to tell the difference between "the cohort that is really just going to grow up to be gay or bi" and "the cohort that absolutely needs to transi… | /r/MensRights | 02/06/25 05:32 AM |
| 3 | Father loses custody after refusing to affirm 2-year-old’s gender identity what are the limits of parental rights?That's not what happened. The father's (now ex-)wife claimed that their son identified as a girl. There is a very big difference between wearing a dress and identifying as a girl. And it was the ex-wife who said that their son now "identified as a girl" - this ex-wife has a documented history of domestic violence. This isn't a case of one parent tolerating sex-stereotype-nonconformity and the other parent forbidding it. In that case, I'd absolutely support the tolerant parent. Some children are … | /r/MensRights | 02/06/25 05:12 AM |
| 6 | Father loses custody after refusing to affirm 2-year-old’s gender identity what are the limits of parental rights?they just want to wear a dress and play with dolls! Yes. And that's not the same thing as gender dysphoria. The latter is a serious medical condition, not childhood play. | /r/MensRights | 02/06/25 04:53 AM |
| 2 | Father loses custody after refusing to affirm 2-year-old’s gender identity what are the limits of parental rights?Kids play dress-up all the time. We shouldn't be reading too much into that. It's just play. There was a case of twins (one boy, one girl) where they often wore each other's clothing (despite the sex difference they looked very alike) when younger. The parents were so concerned they went on Dr Phil to ask if their kids were gay or trans. The kids were quite obviously just having fun and confusing their parents about who-was-who! | /r/MensRights | 02/06/25 04:50 AM |
| 2 | Father loses custody after refusing to affirm 2-year-old’s gender identity what are the limits of parental rights?Pediatric gender dysphoria is not a simple issue, especially when we have all the desisters, all the detransitioners, as well as all the transtrenders (people who adopt a transgender identity through having a goth makeover and changing their pronouns and being obnoxiously woke, but not actually transitioning). And their political/ideological enablers, such as those people in WPATH who tried to turn "eunuch" into a valid gender identity. And can a 2-year-old really express something like gender i… | /r/MensRights | 02/06/25 04:49 AM |
| 3 | Father loses custody after refusing to affirm 2-year-old’s gender identity what are the limits of parental rights?Believing that two-year-olds don't have infallible knowledge of their gender identity (presuming GI even exists as a neurological phenomenon independent from sexual orientation... and that's also a very questionable presumption) is not transphobia. The vast majority of people don't know their sexual orientation until early to mid adolescence. For some, it takes even longer. Given how large the desistance rates are for young people who visit gender clinics, it is quite likely that gender identity… | /r/MensRights | 02/06/25 04:28 AM |
| 4 | Father loses custody after refusing to affirm 2-year-old’s gender identity what are the limits of parental rights?This is more democrats being pedos. It isn't pedophilia. It's just a social trend they believe will create more voters for them in the future. The actual transitioning is secondary to adopting a woke ideology (look at all the people who claim to be trans but do nothing more than adopt an androgynous fashion style and change their pronouns, for example). Just like James Lindsay said when he coined "OK groomer," the grooming is ideological, not sexual. | /r/MensRights | 02/06/25 04:23 AM |
| 1 | Women are in business while men are looking for love.A man's love is far more than lust Correct. As I said, it is a mixture of lust with a very intense degree of liking. There's so much to explore together, which is absolutely magical when you consider the other person your soulmate. Maybe it's just my absolute cynicism talking here, but oh dear god I'm about to vomit from how saccharine that sounds. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 01:26 AM |
| 12 | Men would not make the decisions they want women to make if they were us.Yes, men tell women to act in a way that serves men's interests. Just as women tell men to act in a way that serves women's interests. This is the underlying problem with the dating advice most men receive. They are sick with envy towards women because we have the ability to do these things and most of them don't. Correct. They're jealous of female (especially attractive female) privilege. Women now are living a lot more righteously than men would in our shoes. On that, you're completely wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/25 05:18 AM |
| 1 | Women are in business while men are looking for love.Agreed here. "Pairing due to convenience/prudence" is a both-sexes reality. It's kind of sad but.... well... reality can be hard to confront. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/25 05:44 AM |
| 56 | Women are in business while men are looking for love."Love" is just a mixture of "(very intense) liking" and "lusting." The latter is, on average, 90+% biology. There is nothing particularly noble about "love." So I really don't see the point in what you're saying. To score a point for "team men"? The vast majority of men are shallow. So are the vast majority of women. Trying to make men look better than women makes little sense when the sadder reality is women are just as mired in the muck as men are. I totally understand (and support) taking wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/25 05:32 AM |
| 2 | Blue pillers, you are here to wage a spiritual war against purple/red pillersYou invoke the clash of civilization v barbarism, but at the end of the day you're just in it for the lulz. Frankly, that says everything I need to know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/25 02:32 AM |
| 2 | Blue pillers, you are here to wage a spiritual war against purple/red pillersYou asked in a previous post... What the heck is barbaric about socializing? You proceeded to say... I'm here for... laughing at losers This makes you just as uncivilized - just as barbaric - as the schoolyard bully. You're indulging in the same utterly primal, lizard-brained drive. Mock the low-social-status (i.e. "loser" and "misfit"), delight in ostracizing them, glory in your relative superiority vs. their relative inferiority, and cast them out of the tribe. I don't agree with everything TR… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/25 09:55 AM |
| – | Men who have given up on dating, why?To be entirely fair, she might like his personality/like him as a friend. But yes, the percentage of women who are capable of being romantically interested in an ugly femboy is almost certainly a low single digit number. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/25 12:38 AM |
| 4 | CMV: Men use "logic and reason" as an excuse for low EQAgreed. IQ gives us science, reason, all the great advances in the human standard of living (including the very concept of the free society). EQ's beneficence or usefulness is trivial in comparison. Okay, it makes you very good at tact (it also makes you a skilled manipulator, too). Compare that to the scientists and engineers that created the microprocessor. The latter made a far more consequential contribution. People who glorify EQ want to pretend that their "having the right feelings" elevat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/25 06:38 AM |
| 7 | CMV: Men use "logic and reason" as an excuse for low EQI agree entirely. OP is basically demanding benevolent sexism and crying out for the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations by suggesting a "high EQ" man would provide infantilization to a woman who wants it. Some feelings make sense (I.e. feeling angry when someone is malicious towards you). But some don't. This entire idea that someone should NEVER have to question the justifiability of their own feelings is not just silly, but actively corrosive to mental health (it's basically a reversal of the ba… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/25 02:37 AM |
| 8 | Looking for opinions on resolving Men's Rights issues (Misandry, Misogyny, and the role of Feminism)You simply have no evidence or examples to back up your particular claim here. Just because ruling elite males share the same sex as ruled males doesn't imply this gave any sort of benefit to ruled males that wasn't also given to females. Women who were in the ruling class, for example, always had power via influence over their husbands, sons, brothers etc. There's many historical examples of this, like when Senator's wives in ancient Rome protested outside the Senate to get certain legislation … | /r/MensRights | 24/05/25 02:09 AM |
| 3 | Homophobia in this groupIf men's sporting injuries don't receive the same attention and sympathy that women's sporting injuries do, yes, that's a men's issue. If men are pushed into injurious sports more than women are by social expectations, yes, that's a men's issue. | /r/MensRights | 23/05/25 10:24 AM |
| 3 | Homophobia in this groupHow is violence against gay men, when gay men are exposed to more violence than gay women, not a men's issue? Male-perpetrated violence against men absolutely a men's issue because societal norms license violence against men as normal/acceptable relative to violence against women. And I've already agreed gay men avoid SOME men's issues. But they experience some others more acutely than straight men. You seem to think there's some sort of competition for victimhood going on. But there isn't. | /r/MensRights | 23/05/25 10:16 AM |
| 3 | Homophobia in this groupYes, gay men avoid some men's issues. But they also have issues they face but straight men don't (gay men are the victims of much more homophobic violence than gay women for example), and also experience some men's issues more intensely due to being gay and male simultaneously (the presumption of 'likely sexual predator and unsafe for kids' for example). | /r/MensRights | 23/05/25 09:21 AM |
| 19 | Looking for opinions on resolving Men's Rights issues (Misandry, Misogyny, and the role of Feminism)Your concept of Patriarchy has several implications you may want to pay attention to. Men may have, historically, held the vast majority of power in official organisations and structures. But the group of men who held this power were absolutely a minority of men and they had very little concern for the interests of men as a group. They served their own interests, not men's interests. Not all power is derived from formal institutions. Women have always had access to informal power. So even under … | /r/MensRights | 23/05/25 09:06 AM |
| 24 | Redpill men complain that women are too picky, but they also complain when women have low standards.People always complain about standards opportunistically (I.e. they almost always condemn standards that disfavour themselves), and that's one reason for the phenomenon you see. Another reason is that a lot of "standards" are really attempts to rationalise evolved urges. No surprise they often make little sense. I will add one thing to your post, though- no side is innocent of this. You'll find irrational and self serving standards in both sexes and across all pill philosophies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/25 04:14 AM |
| 6 | Taxed for being single in Japan from 2026.This is just a recipe for loveless marriages producing unwanted children. Which means a generation predisposed to criminality. | /r/MensRights | 19/05/25 11:58 PM |
| 5 | Competent women = Masculine bruh whatBarbie dolls are specifically marketed to and designed for girls so I don't think it is wrong to suggest they are feminine. That said, you can fairly argue that the difference between a 'doll' and an 'action figure' is arbitrary bullshit. However there is quite a lot of well-replicated social science research that suggests biology contributes to different play preferences between male children and female children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/25 11:14 PM |
| 7 | Would they have patience with a demisexual woman?I think most so-called demisexuals are really experiencing what the Blanchardians call meta-attraction. So there's a basis for it, but their understanding of it is flawed. Nonetheless, I don't see a problem with it at all, although it may create orientational incompatibility in certain cases. Meta-attraction is common in human sexuality, and I'd argue most standard issue heterosexuals have a component or degree of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/25 11:07 PM |
| – | Girls (and grown women alike) found guilty of relational aggression, although boys still found to bully physically, in a study done in 1995.Thank you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/25 11:09 PM |
| – | Girls (and grown women alike) found guilty of relational aggression, although boys still found to bully physically, in a study done in 1995.I'd rather not repeat that, if that's okay. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/25 10:54 PM |
| 3 | Girls (and grown women alike) found guilty of relational aggression, although boys still found to bully physically, in a study done in 1995.I still remember one particular Mean Girl from Grade 4. I remember what she said and the hateful leer on her face as she said it. And how the (also female and also a heinous bitch) teacher didn't punish her for it. Women are absolutely able to be just as evil, cruel and vindictive as men are able to be. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/25 03:19 AM |
| 17 | Some trans men are so in denial it makes me madThat's historically been true but in the past 10/15 years it's flipped. For that, we can blame self-diagnosis, Tumblr and ROGD. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/25 02:30 AM |
| 9 | Critics of the men's rights movement claim that all men's rights activists are American able-bodied straight cis conservative white males. I don't fit this stereotype. Do you?Libertarian bisexual atheist, and a Cultural Satanist (in the same way some people are Cultural Christian) too. And Aspergers if that counts as a disability. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/25 02:20 AM |
| 2 | Let's discuss. Why does she think it's okay to teach her daughter in a healthy way against gender norms, but not her son? Instead of teaching him "It's okay to cry", she decides she will instill a self hatred.Except neurominorities because we can't win elections for the left. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/25 02:00 AM |
| 12 | An unspoken flaw in the feminist movementPartial disagreement. You think men are okay with being a pack-mule and that Jungian archetypes make them "natural" worker-bees? I think not. The male role is terrible for most males. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/25 01:59 AM |
| 20 | An unspoken flaw in the feminist movementYou're exactly correct. The critical flaw of Betty Friedan's feminism (non-radical Second Wave) was it saw the job market as liberation. This IS true for a subset of women (smart and driven ones with college degrees basically). But Friedan projected her experiences on ALL women. Hence so many women experienced a big drop in happiness when they entered the labour market. They realised housewifery was the most generous welfare program ever. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/25 01:54 AM |
| 6 | i agree with most mens rights advocacy as a woman. but some of theese posts are pitifulYes, some posts here get rather mean. I don't like them. However, much of the meanness is venting. It's blowing off steam. Some degree of this is therapeutically necessary. All I can say is I appreciate when any woman lends her support to men's advocacy. Thank you for your support! Also, SOME feminists are legitimate misandrists who deserve the rage this forum dispenses against them. I will ask you don't take it personally - after all, you clearly aren't them. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/25 01:47 AM |
| 2 | Information Control and BiasArguably, the most masculine were those who could be fearless, yet sensitive. A brave warrior, who could,nonetheless, offer a poetic tribute to his enemies. Think some Asian or Native American cultures. But that is irrelevant because society's idea of who is or isn't a 'real man' overrides biological anything. Nerdy men are biologically hypermasculinized neurologically speaking but society's gender norms demote them to an inferior status. You can scream about objective biological masculinization… | /r/MensRights | 14/05/25 07:30 AM |
| 10 | Men's self care and my recent experience with attentivenessMen should get more facials, more manicures, and everything indulgent. Apart from the fact we have skin too (and the skin is an organ with maintenance requirements), why should only women be allowed the fun? | /r/MensRights | 14/05/25 07:09 AM |
| 1 | I’m a gay man wondering about Men’s right? Do gay people have any place to take advantage of these right too?Even if an opposite sex couple is the best environment for raising children (and that MIGHT be true), the real test is whether or not same-sex adoptive parents are better than foster care. Think in terms of improvement rather than optimums. | /r/MensRights | 14/05/25 07:06 AM |
| 1 | I’m a gay man wondering about Men’s right? Do gay people have any place to take advantage of these right too?The use of "stop" implies you think gay men are Marxist, feminist progressives automatically. They aren't. | /r/MensRights | 14/05/25 07:00 AM |
| 10 | How are women who enjoy casual sex “being used?”I'd love to hear an answer to this too, because in my experience it is mostly women who equate casual sex with "being used/being exploited." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/25 05:46 AM |
| 1 | Information Control and BiasBut the book seems to assign Ms Patterning the most utterly toxic variant of left-brain patterning all the time... despite Ms Patterning being allegedly masculinized (right-brained). The book's core hypothesis can't seem to make up its mind there. Not to mention there's a severe case of nerd-normativity in the book - treating all the 'higher' moral and theoretical and artistic values as masculine despite mainstream culture seeing artists, scientists, intellectuals and the like as an inferior for… | /r/MensRights | 14/05/25 05:28 AM |
| 1 | Information Control and BiasI have to admit I disagree with the book's thesis. I mean... is Ms Patterning masc-brained or fem-brained? The book's hypothesis seems to be "whichever is worse." Not to mention the book attacks Baron-Cohens extreme male brain theory of autism yet relies on very similar neurobiology research... | /r/MensRights | 14/05/25 03:28 AM |
| 5 | I’m a gay man wondering about Men’s right? Do gay people have any place to take advantage of these right too?I think some gay men think bisexuality undermines solidarity with "the cause" because a closeted bi man can pass as straight more easily than a closeted gay man. | /r/MensRights | 13/05/25 09:01 AM |
| 7 | I’m a gay man wondering about Men’s right? Do gay people have any place to take advantage of these right too?Most women automatically rule out bi dudes from consideration. | /r/MensRights | 13/05/25 08:48 AM |
| 6 | Is it true that men who are more awkward introverted non-charismatic types are more likely to be creeps and only want sex?Thank you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/25 06:11 AM |
| 5 | Egalitarian Feminism is NOT opposed to Men's Rights ActivismI agree, but egalitarian feminism is a fringe position that has been ran out of the official feminist movement and has no influence over the women's movement broadly speaking. You should be advocating for egalitarian feminism within the women's movement. We already know about Sommers, Paglia, Cathy Young, Karen De Crow etc. | /r/MensRights | 13/05/25 05:26 AM |
| 90 | I’m a gay man wondering about Men’s right? Do gay people have any place to take advantage of these right too?Yes, gay men are men and thus welcome in the Men's Rights Movement. I'm bisexual and this community has always treated me well. Gay and bi men suffer in certain ways that are a product of BOTH sex and sexual orientation. Also, historically speaking, gay men have endured more active persecution than lesbians. As for bisexuality, that is shamed in males but glamorised in females. | /r/MensRights | 13/05/25 05:10 AM |
| 22 | Is it true that men who are more awkward introverted non-charismatic types are more likely to be creeps and only want sex?You could fairly argue that 'awkward introverted non-charismatic' (I.e. nerdy/low level 'sperg) men may be more likely to have atypical sexualities and fetishes than neurotypical/extroverted men. This is actually quite well documented. But this doesn't mean they are 'creeps' who 'only want sex.' Creep-shaming exists to give women an "excuse" to reject nerdy/geeky/'spergy men that doesn't make them look unfair/bigoted/shallow (or encourage men to withdraw benevolent sexism). It allows her to pret… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/25 04:31 AM |
| 28 | The Market Value metaphor breaks down because products you buy don’t choose you back.There are literally volumes of economics about contracting and bilateral transactions in markets. If you think the concept of market price is only relevant to spot market transactions for consumer goods, you clearly have very little familiarity with economics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 02:47 AM |
| 4 | “Boys will be boys”I'll also echo the prevailing sentiment here... when I grew up I NEVER heard "boys will be boys" used to excuse serious misconduct. Rather it was used, often by women, to mock perceived immature conduct in males, including certain somewhat-silly playground antics. I've never heard "boys will be boys" used as an excuse for ANYTHING sexual. Or systematic, persistent mistreatment. Nor as something demanding we don't judge misbehaviour... indeed the phrase has a Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations aspe… | /r/MensRights | 12/05/25 02:36 AM |
| 3 | It’s ok for straight women to only want to date straight menSure, but the biphobia that bi men complain about is also exhibited by some bi women. Acceptance of bisexuality is a female privilege. Even if that acceptance is a shallow one driven by FMF threesome fantasies, it is better than what bisexual males get (basically we're treated as if we were gay men, which means either being expected to be women's purse-dog 'gay besties' or being at the receiving end of gay bashings from homophobic men). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/25 12:29 AM |
| 2 | It is acceptable, even congratulated, sometimes, for a woman to be 'masculine', bot for a man to be 'feminine'.The people who most aggressively seek power are usually the ones least deserving of it. Hence why elections almost always are a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. Its a process of Adverse Selection. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/25 12:22 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Lesbian relationships have high DV rates because we've been conditioned to victimize womenSome people, including the so-called Political Lesbians (i.e. bitter straight women who go gay as a Lysistrata Gambit or as a trauma response) argue that there's no such thing as sexual orientation. Indeed there's a long line of left-wing social-constructivist thought about sexual orientation. "Born this way" is more of a centrist-and-bipartisan majority position than a left-wing one. The more you move to the extreme right or the extreme left the more you'll see some variety of "nurture, not nat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/25 04:15 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Lesbian relationships have high DV rates because we've been conditioned to victimize womenThat women INHERENTLY are emotionally unregulated, etc That's not necessarily part of the argument. Women are often emotionally unregulated because of how they are raised and coddled in contemporary gynocentric society... basically, they're still being infantilized. Just like they were under tradcon-ism but in a more indulgent way these days. Being infantilized doesn't necessarily make you a perfectly sweet innocent victim - it can make you a spoiled brat, too. That said, whether or not it is in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/25 04:10 AM |
| 1 | What was your "red pill" moment?Internet feminist culture during my time in college (which got me cyberstalked and almost doxxed), and only a few years after that, elevatorgate. I noticed that despite their alleged hatred for traditional gender norms, the feminist movement: Absolutely hated and despised gender-nonconforming men, despite the fact that their own theory suggests such men should be considered allies, and Embraced Toxic Femininity as a form of personal empowerment. That is what sent me into the men's human rights m… | /r/MensRights | 06/05/25 01:08 AM |
| 3 | Male violence is punished. Female narcissism rewrites your pain as hers.To your second question, I think we as a society allow women to grow up just based on age, but don't consistently put them under enough pressure to grow up emotionally. So we get the histrionic and borderline personalities of the emotional toddlers that result. And then we double down on it by telling them they are emotionally intelligent despite having a laughable amount of control over their own emotions. I absolutely agree with that. Infantilizing women doesn't necessarily make them Sugar, Sp… | /r/MensRights | 05/05/25 10:53 AM |
| 3 | Why don't men want to date single moms?The kid(s) will come first and insecure men can't have that. It isn't insecure to want a committed romantic relationship where both partners' mutual top priority is each other. Nor is it insecure to decline to have children for this same reason. Again, plenty of women won't date single dads for the exact same reason - they want him to put her first. Is THAT insecurity? Or is that acceptable and empowering? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/25 08:40 AM |
| 11 | The WEF Gender Inequality measurement is knowingly biased (against men)may i ask the members of this sub how they differentiate equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome "equity" and at which point we reached a fair society? Equality of opportunity is equal legal treatment, equal social treatment, and equal standards for both sexes. We're clearly not there yet. Equality of outcome, or equity, does have the advantage of being easy to measure and quantify. But it is inherently unfair because when natural biological differences exist (and we can't be deluded and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/25 08:05 AM |
| 2 | Male violence is punished. Female narcissism rewrites your pain as hers.Question - I notice you use Jungian terminology ("Shadow" etc). Are you a Jungian? Also question - what do you think of the hypothesis that there's basically a rampant epidemic of undiagnosed Borderline & Histrionic Personality Disorders in women? | /r/MensRights | 05/05/25 04:19 AM |
| 12 | Do women tend to force themselves into men's spaces?Yes, women absolutely do force themselves into men's spaces, and I've become increasingly convinced it is due to some sort of underlying biological drive (perhaps one that is exaggerated by traditional gender roles) which then gets further reinforced and rationalized by feminist ideology. The evo psych is simple - any activity that drags men toward each other and away from women denies women their traditional providers and protectors. Traditional gender roles contribute through defining feminine… | /r/MensRights | 05/05/25 02:37 AM |
| -2 | Rape jokes aren't a sign of systematic oppression, like internet feminism thinks it is.I just think it's really messed up for a non-victim to joke about it. I disagree with that. What if the non-victim is joking to an audience (of victims or non-victims) that are okay with rape jokes or find those jokes funny? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/25 02:11 AM |
| 2 | Q4M: Do you maliciously withhold compliments from women when out in public?No one is entitled to men's attention. Or effort. Or time. Or resources. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/25 01:53 AM |
| -2 | Rape jokes aren't a sign of systematic oppression, like internet feminism thinks it is.It's like joking about someone's bullying or PTSD. There's nothing funny about that. Dark humor about rape is premised upon rape being absolutely atrocious. If rape weren't an atrocious violation of human rights and cultural norms, jokes about it wouldn't be funny. The humor of these jokes is in the transgressive nature of them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/25 01:41 AM |
| -4 | Rape jokes aren't a sign of systematic oppression, like internet feminism thinks it is.There are many women who have been raped and sexually assaulted, and joking about that experience around someone who may have had that experience is incredibly classless. There are also many men who have been raped too. Making jokes about it around them just perpetuates the shame that men and women who were victims feel about their assault. For some rape victims, humor is a coping mechanism. I agree that its perfectly valid for a rape victim to find jokes about rape distressing, but not all rape… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/25 01:40 AM |
| 5 | Rape jokes aren't a sign of systematic oppression, like internet feminism thinks it is.It's even possible to tell a joke about rape that isn't normalizing rape. Rape jokes don't normalize rape. They're premised upon rape being abnormal, shocking and transgressive. Think of something truly normalized, just (for example) strawberry jam (jelly, if you're in the USA). That is something utterly normal and mundane. There are no jokes about it, precisely for that reason. The entire corpus of dark humor is built on the object-of-the-joke being a terrible and abnormal deviation from everyd… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/25 01:36 AM |
| 0 | Q4M: Why do (some of) you think that society just happens to cater to women's needs now, and ignores men's needs?That there is a path to get men's issues heard, and it's to talk about men's issues without shitting on women's issues. Just talk about your own issues. Warren Farrell tried that. It failed. He got kicked out of NOW and mocked ruthlessly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/25 12:37 AM |
| 1 | Women not granting men sexual access is not a “mens issue”However, can you clarify how these points you've made circles back to why leftists advocating for class revolution, while simultaneously hating incel revolt is a double standard? In both cases, the argument is the same: "this is a mistreated underclass whom is being subject to deprivation of their core needs, and if we don't address that deprivation somehow, there will be a violent revolution." The double standard is in how when this argument is made on the basis of "rich v. poor," it is not imm… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/25 05:47 AM |
| 1 | Women not granting men sexual access is not a “mens issue”in this specific context WHAT context? Modern Western society? I will grant that in that specific context, some of the rich are corrupt and oppressive. But 'greed' doesn't oppress anyone - it is merely the desire to acquire more wealth, and Econ 101 shows that wealth is not a zero-sum game. However, Blackpillers and Redpillers aren't being oppressed by women not wanting them. Redpillers and Blackpillers aren't the same thing as unfuckable men. I will accept women, merely by leaving them alone, d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/25 04:23 AM |
| 8 | Q4M: Why are so many of you so convinced that abusers are obvious, blatant, cartoonishly evil people that can be easily spotted?Saying that there are some obvious signs that some abusers and/or misogynists give out that women pick up on isn't the same as saying that ALL abusers and/or misogynists give those same signs and to the same degree. Tell that to the women who insist they can tell if a man makes misogynist posts on Reddit merely from his appearance... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/25 12:52 AM |
| 8 | Q4M: Whats more radicalizing - actual dating experience or the manosphere?Normal people don't do that shit. Laughter ensues. Why don't you think for yourself instead of letting society dictate your thoughts for you? Learning how to think for yourself in the face of consistent and entrenched social conditioning takes time and effort. It takes a therapeutic process (and for all of its faults, TRP is at least providing something like that). Thinking for yourself is not something that is easy, effortless or automatic. Keep in mind we've had decades of feminists saying tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/25 12:50 AM |
| 1 | Women not granting men sexual access is not a “mens issue”I'm not talking about replacement numbers, I'm talking about removing disincentives from having kids at all. But why is it important to remove the disincentives? Particularly when doing so is costly (taxpayer dollars are limited) and needs to be subjected to a cost-benefit analysis. But that's your choice: Do you want to be a rich nation that has to accept immigration or do you want to be a poor nation? Every single rich nation accepts immigration. Not even Trumpists want to stop all immigration… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/25 12:47 AM |
| 11 | Q4M: Whats more radicalizing - actual dating experience or the manosphere?What the actual fuck is wrong with y'all acting like human nature is brand new? I'm going to put this in bold, just to make my answer very clear... Because we live in a culture that pedastalizes women. Men are NOT told that women are humans. Rather, men are consistently told, over and over again, often by women and women's advocates, and also by other men (particularly tradcon types), that women are essentially angels. Do you want to fix this problem? If so, the solution is very simple and obvio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/25 12:37 AM |
| 1 | Women not granting men sexual access is not a “mens issue”I'm not saying my approach results in 5 kids per couple. I'm saying my approach results in 2 kids per couple instead of zero. Your approach has already been tried and, again, Nordic social democracies still have below-replacement birth rates. No WEIRD (Western Educated Industrialized Rich Democratic) nation has been able to use policy or economic incentives to get the birth rate up to the magic number of 2.1 Again, there's a very clear transnational correlation between poverty and fertility. Eve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/25 12:29 AM |
| 4 | Women not granting men sexual access is not a “mens issue”Upvoted. I find it very ironic that the same people who allege RPers or Blackpillers or the like of "threatening us with violence" when they suggest men may revolt due to sexlessness are often the exact same people who cheer at the idea of the poor revolting against the rich. In both cases, the argument is a socially-mediated ad baculum but one is shamed, and the other is practically a cornerstone of leftist thought. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/25 12:19 AM |
| 2 | Women not granting men sexual access is not a “mens issue”Hows that relevant It should be obvious. Whilst yes, some men believe they are entitled to sex, some women believe they are entitled to relationships and men's resources. Society at large correctly says men aren't owed sex. But society at large doesn't tell women anything like that regarding relationships and resources. Rather, the opposite is the case. In reality, no one is entitled to anything from anyone else bar non-aggression and civility. THOSE are what we owe to each other, but nothing mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/25 12:17 AM |
| – | Women not granting men sexual access is not a “mens issue”Get your act together. The problem that /u/Dertross is pointing out is that society demands an extreme (and arguably hyperagential) form of personal responsibility in this particular matter (i.e. men getting laid), yet has very different standards of responsibility in other matters (particularly those that focus on other demographics). The problem is the inconsistency. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/25 12:03 AM |
| – | Women not granting men sexual access is not a “mens issue”Do you want people to have kids? Make it easier, and cheaper, to have kids. Having kids is expensive and it starts from conception. There are healthcare costs, costs to the individual's health, there are daycare costs (either paying for daycare or eating the loss of income if one partner stays home), educational costs, housing costs, transportation costs, food costs, etc. There are many other countries that have tried this - paid parental leave, subsidized childcare, baby bonuses etc. The result… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 11:58 PM |
| 17 | Q4M: Why are so many of you so convinced that abusers are obvious, blatant, cartoonishly evil people that can be easily spotted?Why do men in particular want to argue that women are always at fault for being abused, as if we're ethereal mind readers that can always detect a person's intentions and can never be lied to? Feminist women on the internet will frequently claim they (or women in general) can "just tell" if a man is "a terrible creepy misogynist" by some magical form of intuition. The proposition you're discussing is a reaction to this - "if you have a magical form of intuition that can detect misogynists, why d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 11:46 PM |
| 6 | Redpill men, what do you have to offer, what do you bring to the table?Women aren't doing enough of this, women aren't contributing enough of this, women should do this, women should do that...all to suit your biased desires and expectations of women. So... you're angry that men are talking about how to pursue their own interests in dating? Why are you so hostile to androcentric dating discourse? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 04:48 AM |
| 1 | Why does it seem like women care WAY more if their male s/o is watching porn than men about smut?Thank you. I appreciate your understanding. If you'd like to discuss fandoms etc, I can do so via PM. Maybe I can link you to some of my graphic, filthy smutty fanfic if you'd like! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 03:21 AM |
| 1 | Why does it seem like women care WAY more if their male s/o is watching porn than men about smut?Are you OK to name the fandom? I'd rather not, since I don't want to risk being cyberstalked again. But I did completely leave the fandom in which the incident occurred. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 03:13 AM |
| 0 | Why does it seem like women care WAY more if their male s/o is watching porn than men about smut?Okay, so, sorry about the cyberstalking and doxxing, that shit's not right. Thank you for your condolences. It happened a long time ago (back during the LiveJournal days, as you put it). Omegaverse creeps me out so hard. Same here. I find it honestly quite revolting. Even offensive to me personally - I'm a dude and I find it utterly emasculating to read. back when I was most active things were less weird and more... ship and let ship. If only the fanfic scene could return to that more libertaria… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 03:09 AM |
| 4 | Why does it seem like women care WAY more if their male s/o is watching porn than men about smut?Apart from the fact I was once cyberstalked and nearly doxxed by fandom feminists, I noticed that the slash fic scene was FULL of stuff that validated the majority of Red Pill's model of female sexuality. 95% of the time, there's a rigid top and a rigid bottom. The latter is always the shorter male whom is perceived as more 'emotionally needy.' The former is always the male whom is the object of the female audience's desire, is more emotionally stable, and basically embodies almost all the 'alph… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 02:53 AM |
| 5 | Why does it seem like women care WAY more if their male s/o is watching porn than men about smut?It's entirely about a woman's desire to monopolize her man's sex drive. She subconsciously sees porn as competition. That's why her porn is okay, but his porn is disgusting. That said, I do think men should probably look more into women's porn (including slash fanfiction). Frankly, the slash-fic scene is what sort-of-red-pilled me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/25 12:21 AM |
| 1 | Women’s Sexuality is More “Selfish” Because Men’s Perspectives Are Baked Into Our Brains From BirthThis entire debate is bullshit because it is premised on the idea that selfishness is bad. As an ethical egoist, I reject that notion. Let's use value-neutral terms from sexology. What you SEEM to be saying is that women are more prone to autosexual meta-attraction (i.e. being attracted to others on the basis of what that person's reciprocated attraction would validate/demonstrate about yourself... ergo the real 'target' of the attraction is the idealego that the attractions of others validates)… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/25 09:53 AM |
| 3 | Men must radically change to counter the current epidemic of women having inflated egosYou examples of modern chads are Andrew Tate (grifter, degenerate) and Elon Musk (autist, eccentric billionaire, sequential monogamist). Musk only gets pussy because he's rich, so I wouldn't call him a "chad." He's just intelligent enough to know he's being gold-dug and to make sure the women can't take too much of his money. But he's not a sex symbol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/25 12:36 AM |
| 3 | A significant amount of issues in dating arise from misandryThey used to sit on my lap and hold me down and grope me as well. Well that's just assault by any definition. Again, my condolences for what you had to endure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 01:30 PM |
| 2 | A significant amount of issues in dating arise from misandryUnderstood. My condolences for what you had to deal with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 12:50 PM |
| 2 | A significant amount of issues in dating arise from misandryYou couldn't get anymore innocent. Indeed. Slut-shaming anyone over that strikes me as so unutterably dumb it is almost funny... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 10:25 AM |
| 2 | A significant amount of issues in dating arise from misandryThough it did teach me early slut is just a default insult for women. I actually think this was a very insightful realization. A lot of people use "slut" in ways that diverge quite strongly from its official meaning. And yes, a lot of the time it now seems to be "woman who does something I Don't Like." Although in this case they had no reason to have any strong feelings about it because you were 10 and it was a kiddie disco. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 10:08 AM |
| 5 | Size doesn't matter to women until it's their own partner who's small.The problem is society sees men having standards as being oppressive towards women. So in other words, women being picky = good, men being picky = bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 10:01 AM |
| 3 | Size doesn't matter to women until it's their own partner who's small.Why is size queen taken as positive? Because women having standards is seen as empowering for women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 09:58 AM |
| 0 | A significant amount of issues in dating arise from misandryI automatically became a "slut" when I was 12 because I developed early and had 32ddd in the 6th grade. Was it mostly other women who called you that, or was it boys, or was it both? Seriously, I can see other women calling you a 'slut' for being voluptuous. Feminine jealousy (intrasexual competition) has been proven in studies to contribute to slut-shaming. Even of women who clearly aren't sluts (I mean you were in grade six for fuck's sake). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 09:43 AM |
| 2 | A significant amount of issues in dating arise from misandryI was called the town bike aged 10 because I slow danced at a kiddie disco with 2 boys. Seriously? You were 10. It was a kiddie disco. Please excuse me while I beat my head into a wall over the sheer stupid of calling you a slut when you were 10 and merely slow danced at a kiddie disco... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 09:42 AM |
| 1 | OrgasmIf you want a woman to want to have sex with you, it’s reasonable for you to want to make it pleasant for her. I don't disagree at all! Of COURSE women have a right to insist on having orgasms. I have no idea why some people think I'm suggesting otherwise, to be honest. I merely outlined a theory as to WHY, in today's world, the idea that "men must give a woman an orgasm" remains. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 09:27 AM |
| 2 | OrgasmI never said her pleasure is irrelevant or that she shouldn't insist on getting something out of the encounter. I have no idea why you think I'm suggesting otherwise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/25 11:48 PM |
| 0 | OrgasmWhy is this dynamic so common, and why have we accepted it as normal? It's a quirk of post-feminist pseudotraditionalism (which I propose as a term for what gender roles have become in the aftermath of the second wave women's movement). The same basic traditionalist idea - men as actors and women as acted upon - combined with the traditional dynamic where a man must earn/prove/validate his manhood through performance - remains. But overlaid atop this is a gynocentrism (prioritization of women's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/25 12:28 PM |
| 2 | Until men are allowed male-specific and non-feminist spaces the sex war will not end.If you’re claiming that women being interested in things that men are interested in is colonialism That is not what I am claiming and there's no intellectually honest way you could interpret what I said as making such a claim. Women being interested in the same things as men is totally okay. Women demanding that the social spaces surrounding men's hobbies become femnormative/gynonormative, and/or that these social spaces practice an extreme level of chivalry, is the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/25 06:29 AM |
| 9 | Arrested development has led to grown adults STILL looking outwardly to others for their loneliness. It’s ENTIRELY down on YOU to fix it.You talk about "Gen Z" and "Millennials" in the thread title... ...yet all of your demands are for men to "start adulting" (i.e. "man up"). You never once confront the infantilization of women (something even feminists agree is a real problem), or how women have been the primary participants in the Gen Z/Millennial "culture of victimisation." I've said it before, I'll say it again. You clearly are just pissed off that men are whining, you believe whining should be the exclusive privilege of fema… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/25 12:45 PM |
| 1 | Until men are allowed male-specific and non-feminist spaces the sex war will not end.Men who want women who do XYZ maybe need to be a little more accepting. Men are perfectly willing to accept women who like the hobby for what it is into the hobby. What they do not like is female colonialism toward male spaces and subcultures. Men aren’t receiving social pressure not to join men’s clubs. That's because, due to female colonialism (as mentioned before), those "men's clubs" are being forced into nominal-gender-neutrality-but-de-facto-female-dominance. Soon, there will be no men's c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/25 12:32 PM |
| 2 | Until men are allowed male-specific and non-feminist spaces the sex war will not end.We do play video games. I never said otherwise. Men tell us they’re not “real” video games. The average male gamer and the average female gamer have systematically different preferences as to what kind of game/s they prefer. This is well-established in industry data. It isn't a moral judgment. That said, if female gamers prefer different genres, different platforms and different play patterns (in terms of time) to male gamers, this is a very good reason to keep the cultures separate. I'm sorry, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/25 11:53 AM |
| 3 | Q4M: How many of you here are neurodivergent?That's a good question. Ideally I'd have liked them to have gotten me a diagnosis early but the sad reality is they took me to a number of different professionals and none of them nailed it down. And when it comes to romantic stuff, I would've preferred extreme bluntness. But then again 'pill' theory didn't exist at the time. You'll need to let me think on that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/25 02:04 PM |
| 5 | Until men are allowed male-specific and non-feminist spaces the sex war will not end.Misogyny is a kind of social pressure (abuse, harassment and rape threats are pressure). And the ADL is not a reliable source, it is a partisan hack organization. And your Pew data needs a source, because I've seen Pew data contradicting you entirely and suggesting not only do both sexes face the same amount of severe harassment but women complain more, but that more people are harassed over politics than gender (see https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2021/01/13/the-state-of-online-harassment/… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/25 12:15 PM |
| 2 | The reason birth rates are declining is men not wanting serious/long-term relationshipsThis is why countries like Vietnam and Thailand have below replacement despite being fairly poor countries-they are highly urbanized and have a fairly educated female population. Where is the population growth concentrated, however? Among the rural poor? And is it cheaper to live in poor areas than in cities? I'd love to see data on Vietnam and Thailand, since I admit I haven't seen much data for South East Asia... most demography-related data I've seen is Anglosphere, Europe and East Asia. You … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/25 04:13 AM |
| 5 | The reason birth rates are declining is men not wanting serious/long-term relationshipsThe main drivers of the declining birth rate are urbanization, secularization, and female educational attainment. Actually, the main driver is wealth. We notice this even in advanced societies - the wealthiest breed less than the poorest. Secularization follows the growth in wealth. Urbanization is part of the development trajectory. Female educational attainment follows the growth in wealth (since public education needs to be funded by a tax base). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/25 03:20 AM |
| 3 | Until men are allowed male-specific and non-feminist spaces the sex war will not end.Nothing is stopping women from taking up video games either, but we've literally had over a decade's-long culture war that alleges women are systematically kept out of gaming via social pressure. So what is it? Are humans capable of being stopped from doing what they want to by social pressure? Or is social pressure basically nothing and everyone needs to start ignoring it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/25 03:12 AM |
| 6 | Q4M: How many of you here are neurodivergent?I'm neurodivergent ('sperg). Please stop victim-blaming 'spergs for taking regularly-vocally-reinforced societal orthodoxy seriously. I was very specifically told, by my own mother nonetheless, that only stupid low-quality women care about looks and that women of quality care about personality. I believed her because I was just a child at the time and she was my principal source of sympathy and comfort. The idea of her lying to me just to make me feel better (or because she didn't want to say fe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/25 02:37 AM |
| 8 | You are not a victim just because nobody wants to date you. Loneliness and sexlessness is just an unfortunate by product of free will, which proceeds all other rights in datingI agree that no one is owed sex or a date by anyone. But people can be victims of circumstance and victims of misfortune. People can suffer from things they aren't responsible for, which no one else is at moral fault for. You seem to be insisting that for someone to be a victim, another person must necessarily be a victimizer. This is a much more specific use of the word "victim" than is common in everyday speech (we often talk about victims of disease or victims of natural disasters, for exampl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 01:05 PM |
| 2 | You were not gaslit by society as to what women are attracted to. You need to take accountability for not seeing what was always totally obvious.Your ableism disgusts me, and were it deployed against any other disability group, it would get the proper call out it deserves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 12:24 PM |
| – | The controversial idea of therapeutic submission/masochism, and men's exclusion from it.Yes, porgressive culture now sort of recognizes that men too have common pain-points and anxieties, but those things in practice are talked about in much more of a "you are brainwahsed for Christ's sake, get over it!" manner. While women's pain-points are like "Can't you listen? This is why women chose the bear for Christ's sake!" manner. This is what resonated with me the most. Men with issues related to gender are treated as essentially delusional or having a self-induced issue that's "all in … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 10:14 AM |
| 1 | You were not gaslit by society as to what women are attracted to. You need to take accountability for not seeing what was always totally obvious.You appear to believe that autism is uniquely ignored or unloved as a disability because it’s unsexy to women In the case of Asperger's Syndrome it absolutely is pathologized and hated. Not because it is unsexy to women per se (although it is), but because some people with it can mimic (i.e. mask or pretend to be normal), and due to the Sexy Sons Hypothesis that's the last thing women want. The obvious downy is less of a threat than the potential mimic. Red pill is misogynist, and we’re not goin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 05:36 AM |
| 1 | You were not gaslit by society as to what women are attracted to. You need to take accountability for not seeing what was always totally obvious.It’s just not going to make us attracted to you Where, at any point, did I say or imply that you could or should be attracted to us??? Fuck, I have literally been arguing for society to be blunt and open to 'spergs that being 'spergy is going to be an absolute turnoff to the vast majority of opposite-sex-attracted women. At no time, in any topic, have I ever implied or endorsed the idea that 'spergs are owed sex. Indeed, if you were remotely familiar with my post history, you'd see that I am a d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 05:11 AM |
| 3 | You were not gaslit by society as to what women are attracted to. You need to take accountability for not seeing what was always totally obvious.Asperger's Syndrome and/or traits thereof is not simply a "disability." They come with certain benefits as well as costs. But sure, if you want to just openly admit you love all diversity except the unsexy-to-almost-all-females variant of neurodiversity, that's a-ok with me. Oh, where are all the female movements saying that society lied to us and we had no idea that men are after sex? Due to the history of the sexes being treated differently by society, it only makes sense that men and women ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 04:05 AM |
| 3 | You were not gaslit by society as to what women are attracted to. You need to take accountability for not seeing what was always totally obvious.You mean like the constant outrage of men about women not wanting indiscriminate casual sex (but only with that particular man)🤔 Yes, that too is an example of self-interested complaining. But I don't see what point you're trying to make. I never said all men all the time make reasonable complaints. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 03:20 AM |
| 1 | Whats wrong with modern womeni'm talking about whether people (not courts) hold trump accountable in comparison to women in a similar position. So basically you're demanding society exact extrajudicial punishment on people who engage in sexual misconduct? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 02:39 AM |
| 3 | You were not gaslit by society as to what women are attracted to. You need to take accountability for not seeing what was always totally obvious.Lots of nice men get laid. They just aren’t only nice I agree. But my mother didn't tell me that. Or say anything that a reasonable person could construe as implying that. Please don't gaslight me about being gaslit. Most men learn. The ones who don’t are the exception And fuck the exceptions, right? Meanwhile all other disabilities have rights groups fighting to make society bear the cost of accommodating their disabilities. Btw, women get the same lies fed to them, but you don’t hear them whin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 02:27 AM |
| 2 | You were not gaslit by society as to what women are attracted to. You need to take accountability for not seeing what was always totally obvious.To hell with them then. "How dare a different group of people have different priorities to my own!!!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 01:24 AM |
| 5 | You were not gaslit by society as to what women are attracted to. You need to take accountability for not seeing what was always totally obvious.You’re accountable for being developmentally stunted Unless you have an organic pathology like autism Yes. I'd wager the majority of TRP and Blackpill are somewhere on the autism spectrum. I'm a 'sperg myself, diagnosed, went to neurodiversity therapy. Because people are expected to learn So we're just meant to realize that we're being systematically lied to, and that we were repeatedly told bullshit, even by people who loved us (my mother gave me the "women love nice men" speech too), and we're… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 01:21 AM |
| – | Whats wrong with modern womenThank you | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 01:10 AM |
| 6 | There is no just world fallacy; men think being rejected or overlooked is a statement on their goodness, not womenI never said it was good or bad, you did. Are you suggesting holding bigoted views on the basis of sex is not immoral? If Man A says that hes chronically single, woman A is most likely not going to default to telling him hes creepy or a misogynist. Stop gaslighting. Many men on this board have reported precisely this, or some third-party variant of it (i.e. other women advising him that he's a creepy misogynist) or some via negativa version of it (women advising him that if he wants women to be … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 01:10 AM |
| – | Whats wrong with modern womenThree papers that are easily findable through a basic google search: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23311908.2022.2156842#abstract https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ecca.12333 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 12:59 AM |
| – | Whats wrong with modern womenHere you are mot holding trump accountable while you pretend like we hold men accountable. I said nothing at all about my position on the case. But the simple reality is I was talking about a very broad cultural generality. Of course there are exceptions. My post explained why Trump was one of them. If you think that men in society (on average) are NOT subjected to a higher level of expectations with respect to agency relative to women, I invite you to take a look at the literature on the sex-ba… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/25 02:25 PM |
| – | Whats wrong with modern womenWe literally have a rapist president. Not all of the world is the USA. Also, Trump was (IIRC) convicted in a civil trial by a Preponderance of the Evidence standard. He was not proven beyond reasonable doubt to be a rapist, and the specific thing he was found guilty of (digital penetration IIRC) isn't rape in every jurisdiction. Not to mention, his trial happened in the context of the fizzling-out of #MeToo and a large number of false rape accusation scandals (Duke Lacrosse was just the start), … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/25 02:14 PM |
| 14 | There is no just world fallacy; men think being rejected or overlooked is a statement on their goodness, not womenmaybe you hold views about women that although you don’t vocalize, manifest in how you treat them that scares them away That is a moral judgment. "You're a tacit misogynist and you won't admit you're misogynist, but women can just tell it from your actions" IS an accusation of holding bigotry. Bigotry is morally bad. you could be suffering from undiagnosed neurological conditions effecting your ability to socialize correctly "Correctly" is the wrong word. The more accurate word is "in a neurotyp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/25 02:05 PM |
| – | Whats wrong with modern womenBy "modern women" do you mean "women who exist right now and are actively participating in the dating market" or do you mean the post-feminist archetype of "Strong Independent Womyn Who Don't Need No Man"? I'm going to PRESUME you mean the former, and before I begin I'll make the provisos: Not all women are like this, I'm merely speaking generally, there are many exceptions. And in addition the things below can exist in degrees, so I'm not saying All Women Are Always Like This All The Time. But … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/25 01:09 PM |
| – | Whats wrong with modern womenI agree with you entirely (despite our very different politics). Women get hypoagency. Men get hyperagency. Neither is accurate because humans are agents that exist objectively (i.e. in physical bodies, with specific natures and hence limits). We are neither impotent nor omnipotent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/25 12:46 PM |
| 3 | If you can’t get a gf/bf it’s prob bcuz you’re unattractive in some way. People stating this are incorrectly accused of “just world fallacy.”Undiagnosed neurological conditions? People with actual diagnoses have confirmed this (I'm one of them, hi, I'm an official 'sperg and went to specialist neurodiversity therapy), and ASD characteristics are all over "red pill" and "black pill" culture. It is undeniably the case that ASD men are disproportionately part of the pill-o-sphere. There are threads upon threads of men reporting that women will turn them down using morally charged language. Should we just pretend that this persistently r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/25 06:45 AM |
| 2 | If you can’t get a gf/bf it’s prob bcuz you’re unattractive in some way. People stating this are incorrectly accused of “just world fallacy.”I’m sure some men take their lack of success to mean women think this. Do you have any evidence to back up your speculation? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/25 04:59 AM |
| 1 | Why are OF models disliked?The answer: Ressentiment Women making money off OF are emblematic of contemporary society's privileging of women above men, and a brutal reminder to men that women are sexually desired and men are not - men are the desirers, not the desirable. Thus, men who are not at the top of the totem pole feel acute resentment. When this resentment becomes moralized (i.e. when it fuels motivated reasoning on the subject of ethics), it goes beyond resentment and into ressentiment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/25 12:55 AM |
| 5 | "Chad" is less likely to be misogynistic than a sexually inexperienced man: A study found that the more sexually experienced a man is, the more biased he is towards women.This study clearly doesn't take into account Benevolent Sexism (and the Ambivalent Sexism Theory more broadly). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/25 10:24 AM |
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