Is There Hope When She Never Was Into You?

Reader:   Athol: There are two types of women writing in.

1.) GF who has orgasms and initiates sex prior to marriage, but loses interest in husband over the years. He begins MAP, wins back the happy days.

2.) GF who does not have orgasms and fakes enthusiasm, marries BF, and then continues to fake enthusiasm under self-imposed ultimatum of “I’d better do this or he’ll find a mistress who’s into orgasms.”

Can the MAP even work in situation #2? Or is he just wasting his time with a wife who’s either gay or asexual?

Athol:  There’s an old cartoon of a groom bragging to his best man that the best part of getting married is that his fiance gives great blowjobs and he’s going to get blowjobs every day now. On the other panel the bride is telling her maid-of-honor that the best part of being married is that she doesn’t have to give blowjobs anymore. I’d show you the cartoon but the Internet has approximately 149 million images of “cartoon blowjob” and it’s not in the first 17 million I looked through. Also in what I hope is a temporary side effect, I am now having stream of consciousness sexual fantasies of Lois Griffin blowing me.  I’m not sure what the precise term for that is… perhaps the word I am looking for is “sick.”

Anyway…

Typically the sexual experience before the wedding sets the high water mark of what her sexual response will be to her husband. As you age together and have sex repeatedly you can certainly gain in skill and knowledge of each other and have much better sex later in the marriage, but in terms of the basic interest in you, before the marriage is as good as it gets.

Or put more plainly… Jennifer is way better at fucking me now than she was twenty years ago, but she’s into me about as much now as she was then.

If the wife was faking orgasms and sexual interest before she got married, she will typically stop the sex after the wedding as quickly as possible. The less interested she is in her husband sexually, the faster the drop in sex will be.  The excuses and BS will come thick and fast and she’ll only be interested in sex exactly when she’s ovulating if even then. Unless her husband makes some kind of truly remarkable transformation upward in Sex Rank, she’s not likely to ever become interested in him sexually.

Most of my readers that run the MAP and succeed probably had themselves particularly together before the wedding when they were actively courting (i.e. Gaming unconsciously) their wives and then let it slip / got Betaized after the wedding.  So it’s like he was an 8 before the wedding and the sex was great, then he fell to a 6 and the sex stopped, then he finds MMSL and gets himself back to an 8 and the sex comes back.

There’s also a compounding of her disinterest when a man allows a woman who obviously has no sexual interest in him to marry him. It is the very worst display of Beta Orbiting / Chumping and that lowers her interest in him further.

My only advice is to make damn sure she is into you sexually before the wedding, and make it plain that a sudden drop off in sex for no good cause after the wedding won’t be acceptable. I suppose I’ll have to cover how to tell if a woman is faking orgasms tomorrow.