A brief note on MRAs and MGTOWs in regards to game

I figured I’d weigh in on the dustup that occurred on this thread of mine between game advocates and MRAs a few days ago. Chuck and Ganttsquarry have pretty good breakdowns of what happened, so go read their posts before continuing.

I encountered both the men’s rights movement and the seduction community at roughly the same time in my life, which I think gives me a somewhat balanced viewpoint on this issue. The animosity that some MRAs and MGTOWs have towards game and its practitioners, I think, is largely due to the idiocies of seduction community members ignorantly running their mouths in MRA/MGTOW venues. Anakin Niceguy explains it a bit better:

In years past, when many men where trying to air their grievances on the internet, trying to come to terms with the misandry and gynocentrism in our society, and trying figure out what to do about it, some PUA-leaning heckler would invariably butt into the conversation and say something like, “You guys are just whiners who are not getting any! You need to learn seduction techniques!” Such an arrogant, myopic, and hopelessly naïve attitude about men’s concerns has understandably left a bad taste in the mouths of a lot of MRA and MGTOW men.

In spouting their platitudes without consideration of the legal, cultural, or social mechanisms that have kept men down and necessitated the creation of the men’s rights movement and MGTOW, the sedcom retards (let’s face it, anyone heavily involved in that community is a social retard to some extent) did nothing but tick off MRAs and MGHOWs and create bad blood. Some MGTOW forums have put up specific posts addressing these idiots in their FAQ sections because of this.

Additionally, claiming that MRAs and MGTOWs can’t get laid or some variation thereof is insanely stupid. Beyond it being a use of Code Tan Shaming Language, most men in those movements were driven there precisely BECAUSE of their problems with women and the social, cultural, and governmental institutions that enable their bad behavior. Given that our misandrist society has wrecked the lives of untold men, accusing them of being loser virgins is both ignorant and amazingly callous.

That said, I do have some issues with certain sectors of the MRA and MGTOW movements. In both groups, there is an unfortunate tendency for some members to regard all women as being the same – lying, cheating, backstabbing whores. That’s not only wrong, it puts the men who espouse those beliefs in the same pen as the feminists who declare that “all men are pigs.” In addition, a number of men in these groups stress total avoidance of women as a means of coping. I remember on one MGTOW board reading a number of guys who were literally singing the praises of celibacy. Given that many men want to have relationships with women, telling them that they’re better off smacking it in all cases is rather shortsighted.

In light of this, the rise of the Roissysphere is in all probability the best thing that could have happened for MRA-game community relations. As I’ve already stated, the loose oeuvre of the Roissysphere combines the practical knowledge of game with the political knowledge that the MRAs and MGTOWs have been preaching for years. I personally think that we are witnessing a partial fusion of both groups’ approaches, with The Spearhead and its eclectic group of contributors being the most visible manifestation as of late. This developing “big tent” can only yield good things for men in the future.