Exposing the myth of male/female wage gap

DavidByron2 · 2014-05-02T02:36:35+00:00

Yes the wage gap is about sexism.

Against men.

All things being equal men and women ought to earn the same. They don't because our society treats men like shit. To men society says you are worthless so you better work hard to earn respect. To a woman society says you are a beautiful being, and you can choose, work hard, balance your life between work and family or maybe full time housewife (good luck with that one these days but for sure women are far more likely to pull it off than men).

Some women CHOOSE to work as hard as men must and they earn the same. But their average is brought down by all the women who CHOOSE a more balanced approach.

The usual stats quoted are of full time workers so the housewives actually don't effect those stats because at most they'd be part time workers (outside the home), but if we are trying to measure male discrimination they ought to be included too which would make the "forced to earn gap" a lot bigger than feminists say it is.

This gap isn't recording women's inability to enter the traditional male sphere, this is about men being almost entirely unable to enter the traditional women's sphere. And those few men who do get there are almost always forced there as a result of unemployment, rather than as a choice.

Women have the choice of either sphere. Men don't. THAT is why there's a forced-to-earn gap. And the explanation is sexism. Against men.

And oh by the way what movement is responsible for blocking men entering women's traditional sphere of influence? Who makes sure men are seen as sexual predators or seen as violent against family members? Who makes sure men cannot get custody of their kids? Who invented the doctrine of the "tender years"?

DougDante · 2014-05-02T09:56:14+00:00

My comment:

"according to a new analysis of 2,000 communities by a market research company, in 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young women are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group. In two cities, Atlanta and Memphis, those women are making about 20% more."

Workplace Salaries: At Last, Women on Top: By Belinda Luscombe: Wednesday, Sept. 01, 2010: time.com

"To anyone who says 77 cents on the dollar sounds pretty close to equal, I say your math is bad."

President Obama: Remarks on the 50th anniversary of the Equal Pay Act

Apparently, the President believes Hillary Clinton's math is bad, because her figure is 84 cents on the dollar:

"Even in advanced economies like our own, women earn 16 percent less than men for doing the same job,"

Hillary Clinton talks at convention center of gender inequality

"The 77-cent figure compares the median pay of all full time, year-round male and female workers, regardless of occupation. Many experts say some of the gap is likely caused by discrimination, but most of it is due to career choices. "One of the big factors explaining why women earn less than men is that jobs typically done by women have lower earnings than jobs typically done by men," said Ariane Hegewisch, study director at the Institute for Women’s Policy Research. ... Mostly False

Women still earn about 77 cents for every dollar a man earns for working the same job: PolitiFact

"it is not possible now, and doubtless will never be possible, to determine reliably whether any portion of the observed gender wage gap is not attributable to factors that compensate women and men differently on socially acceptable bases, and hence can confidently be attributed to overt discrimination against women."

The CONSAD report

"In the United States, in 2005, men were 54% of the workforce but 93% of workers who died at work due to fatal accidents or violence (pdf link). (The raw numbers are 5300 men, 402 women)"

Workplace Deaths Are Overwhelmingly Male From Number of fatal work injuries, 1992-2005: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

"The raw wage gap data shows that a woman would earn roughly 73.7% to 77% of what a man would earn over their lifetime. However, when controllable variables are accounted for .. The U.S. Department of Labor found in 2008 that the gap can be brought down from 23% to between 4.8% and 7.1%. Furthermore, The United States Government Accountability Office found in 2009 that when accounting for diminishing differences in variables including chosen occupation, education, and experience, the variable wage gap among federal workers can be brought to roughly 1–2%."

Gender Pay Gap: United States: Wikipedia

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Title	Exposing the myth of male/female wage gap
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Date	May 2, 2014 12:12 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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