A male/MRA view of what feminism looks like

murphtaf · 2014-04-28T17:01:34+00:00

Okay, so I'm not gonna get into critiquing this whole thing, but I did have two major parts to point out. First of all, in the 'MRA opinion/feedback' part on 'Social Injustices', MRAs don't use cat-calling as a 'revenge-tactic' to women who call them creeps. That's just insanely stupid to suggest that MRAs are out there going 'we need to cat-call random women to get revenge for that girl who called me a creep'.

I also would contest your first point at the bottom about feminism being needed. Yes, its most basic theme of 'women being equal' is needed. Everyone deserves to have equal opportunities. But feminism, in its current form, is unneeded, at least by me as it's not actively looking for equality. Feminism breeds a victim mentality into women by telling them things like 'no matter what you do, or say, or wear, or how you act, if a man wants to rape you, he will'. How exactly is that empowering to women? Also, this isn't to say that rape victims are to blame for what happens to them. Rapists are the cause of rape and are entirely guilty for what they've done, but that's not to say that no matter what a victim does, they were entirely innocent on the matter either.

Also, the majority of feminists that I've argued with at some point or another in the argument have jumped to calling me a victim-blamer, rape-apologist, misogynist, masochist, woman-hater, privileged, part of the patriarchy, oppressive, perpetuating rape-culture, etc. Jumping to name-calling to try and discredit any dissent is not an effective way to debate. It's lazy and childish because it's just like saying 'oh, you're the bad guy here, which proves me right'. I've also seen several feminists say to those who disagree 'you don't believe what I'm telling you, so you're proof that I'm right' (see: rape culture). And this is a very common 'tactic' for feminists to try and silence any voice that doesn't agree with their ideology.

And often times, I'm told that the feminists who say that being guilted into sex is rape, that men 'oppress' women by spreading their legs on a bus, and that all men are evil and violent and will rape any woman who gives them an opportunity are radicals. And that may very well be. But I have not once seen a feminist decrying these so called 'radicals'. I don't see misandrist feminists being protested by 'true-feminists' saying 'she doesn't speak for me' or 'she doesn't represent real feminism'. It's essentially like feminism is a senator voting 'not present' and then saying 'see, I didn't vote for that'. But if you're not voting against it, you might as well have been supporting it.

DavidByron2 · 2014-04-28T16:47:11+00:00

I think this is a naive view of feminism that trusts that feminists have their heart in the right place and are trying to do good.

They aren't.

Take that first example on the wage gap. Honest people wouldn't have lied about the wage gap for fifty years. What feminists do is despicable. They create disgusting lies that denigrate men as a birth group. Now as it happens by framing the issue in terms of this mythical discrimination against women feminists also make the issue impossible to fix. They don't want to help women. They want to use women to further their agenda of anti-male hate They need shit to bitch about. So they can't fix it or they'd be out of a job.

It's like Republicans are never going to outlaw abortion because it's their gravy train. It stirs up their base so they never want it fixed.

The wage gap hoax is the best "issue" feminists have right now to promote their agenda so the last thing they want is to fix it. Besides which to fix something you have to understand it's causes and the reason women earn less than men is because of their privilege over men. So feminists will never let that fact get out. Men have to work harder because they have no choice to take a more balanced approach between work and family life as many women do (not all but because it's an average this is enough to cause the difference).

To "fix" this issue you'd have to empower men to be as privileged as women so they could tell the boss to go suck it instead of being a cog in the wheel because they know their family depends on them and without a job a man is seen as utterly useless.

What's going on here is that feminists took an issue where men face discrimination and lied to present it as an issue where women are discriminated against by asshole men - the "patriarchy" crap again. Feminists don't help women. They just use women and stir up hatred against men.

And something similar is true of every issue you mentioned.

Rape culture? it doesn't EXIST. It's a fake issue like the fake wage gap "for equal work". Feminists don't want less rape, they want more. Because it's how they gain power. If feminists wanted to reduce rape against women there are steps they could do to help male victims of sexual abuse to not repeat the cycle dished out to them as kids. Will they? Fuck no because that would mean admitting that men can be victims and that rape isn't about all men are evil assholes but about society screwing over generations of abused people and ignoring the cycle of violence that both sexes participate in.

Male privilege? another fake issue.

Cat calls? an example of female privilege. Or are movie stars hounded by the paparazzi because they have no power? Again "fixing" this "issue" is easy but no woman would want it fixed because that would mean a loss of power. feminists never want to fix anything they just want to stir up shit and hatred against men.

staunchly · 2014-04-28T22:52:13+00:00

This thing is riddled with typos and offers no concrete suggestions of action on the issue of rape. [The] point basically amounts to "don't get raped". On the point of most rapes being done by friends or acquaintances, [this] offer no suggestions for prevention, giving the impression the only option is to just never trust your friends. This also don't mention the fact that most acquaintance rapes involve drugging the victim. Finally, [what sources are there] for these "standard" positions? Cite them, otherwise this is useless and comes off as [an] opinion. Here are some good resources:

Men Can Stop Rape

Rainn

a feminist perspective

statistics

Rape culture from a feminist perspective

If you want, I can dig up more links.

Edit: see below comment.

Title	A male/MRA view of what feminism looks like
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Date	April 28, 2014 4:28 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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