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Hollander files human rights complaint in NYC

avoiceformen

August 20, 2012

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http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/hollander-files-human-rights-complaint-in-nyc/

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Title	Hollander files human rights complaint in NYC
Author	avoiceformen
Upvotes	8
Comments	3
Date	August 20, 2012 7:59 PM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/yjg7f/hollander_files_human_rights_complaint_in_nyc/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/hollander-files-human-rights-complaint-in-nyc.1015445 https://theredarchive.com/post/1015445

Comments

[–]eddylawrence -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Fellow MRAs, I need your help. I emailed this guy (user avoiceformen, aka the founder of AVfM) & want a polite reply. He's done nothing but personally attack me. We MRAs should be above this. Please insist that he speak politely & reply intellectually.

About what? Learning. .. I said some of his language was unfair to men. (For example, we MRAs do not get our views from a gender studies class- we educate ourselves on these matters, & more.) This is why it's incorrect to judge people only by formal education. (It's incorrect to claim that "women are more educated than men" - as he does - because that ignores people educating themselves. )

Really, all knowledge can be studied by anyone with will power.

This guy should say "women are more formally educated." But what's his reply? Most recently: "Fuck off."

Lastly. .. Dear avoiceformen, if you were offended by anything I've said, we must be communicating improperly- my criticism is not towards you. (You did not create the phrase, but simply repeat it probably without realizing how it's hateful towards men.)

The enemies of the MRM use that phrase against us (as if our views on gender don't count because we didn't get them from a gender studies class.) Please stop using it. And please remember we are supposed to be allies, & do not deserve your insults.

[–]johntheother 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

As I understand it, you emailed Paul stating that he was - through the platform of AVfM - spreading hatred of men (men, really dude?)

His response to you - was something like - "I have no time for this type of drama" - probably pretty dismissive towards you, knowing him as well as I do. Life is hard, wear a helmet.

I asked him about this, apparently your view was that he should be more respectful towards you. That may be the case, or not, but if you're an MRA, by now, you should have a slightly thicker skin. We don't all get along all the time, not even closely knit groups like Paul, GWW, James, Bob and myself at AVfM. We work together, it's not always a hot-tub party.

If you're feeling hard done by, well, sorry, I doubt seriously that Paul, even as abrasive as he sometimes is has any intent of belittling men in pain, but dude, this just looks like drama for it's own sake.

Cheers JtO

[–]eddylawrence 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link