Kay: what happened to the good men?

phukka · 2011-02-20T17:59:26+00:00

What happened to the good men? Women traded them in for the hip, or the vapid, or the ones that will piss daddy off, or simply one that the woman can leech off of for the rest of her life, until she gets bored of pretending to love him and divorces and takes half his money.

I think a better question is 'What happened to the good women?'

2011-02-21T00:17:22+00:00

They became useless when good wives became extinct.

2011-02-20T14:12:14+00:00

We seem to be fascinated with Kay Hymowitz's WSJ article, posting it here 3 times yesterday. Here is another analysis of it from a conservative blogger.

The truth is that if women in the 1980s and 1990s had selected for traditionally masculine qualities, then that's what would have remained dominant within male culture.

This points out what many here know, that the good women disappeared first.

Nor are the masculine virtues obsolete. If a man wants to succeed in his career and in his family life, he will still need fortitude, stoicism, courage and fidelity. These virtues are obsolete only in the sense that they aren't being selected for by young women. So a man shouldn't expect that by cultivating these qualities he's going to gain an advantage in the dating stakes.

In fact, the traditional male virtues are now a liability for dating.

He should cultivate these qualities instead because he recognises them as virtues in their own right and because they are important qualities to draw on in other aspects of his life.

The author believes in traditional values enough to posit them as good in and of themselves. But those with more pragmatic attitudes may question whether making sacrifices for success in career and family life make sense in an environment where these things come with few guarantees but huge liabilities.

YesImSardonic · 2011-02-20T16:07:59+00:00

The article is meh and the comments range from similar quality to "fucking horrible--when did fascists decide Men's Rights were the ticket to power?" and the like.

I mean, really--one of the comments attributes the cause of the complaints to a "disgusting obsession with libertarianism..." as if, first, libertarianism is the majoritarian paradigm, and, second, as if individualism doesn't select for personal strength in a number of areas.

I'm quite insulted, really.

YesImSardonic · 2011-02-20T16:06:11+00:00

The article is meh and the comments range from similar quality to "fucking horrible--when did fascists decide Men's Rights were the ticket to power?" and the like.

I mean, really--one of the comments attributes the cause of the complaints to a "disgusting obsession with libertarianism..." as if, first, libertarianism is the majoritarian paradigm, and, second, as if individualism doesn't select for personal strength in a number of areas.

I'm quite insulted, really.

Title	Kay: what happened to the good men?
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Date	February 20, 2011 1:57 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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