Why are y’all “anti feminists”

VestigialHead · 2021-09-19T15:46:55+00:00

Because feminism is not trying to do any of that.

It is straight up trying to grab power and privilege for women and women only.

While doing so it also has done massive harm to women as well as men.

So why are you not against such a toxic and greedy movement?

TrilIias · 2021-09-19T15:54:01+00:00

We get this a lot, so I'm just going to copy a reply I made to a previous post that was kinda similar.

Brevity is not my strength.

I don't buy that feminism is "the belief in social, economic, and political equality of the sexes." There are plenty of people who want that and constantly find themselves in opposition to feminism, even in the course of advocating for equality. There have even been polls that showed that while a majority of women said they wanted equality, only a minority considered themselves to be feminists.

I think feminism is the belief that women are oppressed by men. I don't think you will find a feminist who doesn't believe that women are oppressed by men, or as they say, "the patriarchy."

"the really stupid anti-men "feminists". They aren't feminists"

I'm getting tired of this no true scotsman. Obviously if my definition of feminism, "the ideology that interprets gender relations as oppressive toward women on the part of men," then your statement would obviously be false. The misandrists would be the most understandable feminists, the oppressed surely have the right to hate their oppressors don't they? I think my definition is correct because of how feminists focus their energy. They spend almost all of their energy trying to prove that women are oppressed, and very minimal energy pursuing equality if it would help men, if they don't outright oppose equality in such instances.

Let's take the wage gap. I've read so many studies and papers on the wage gap, and it always infuriates me how far feminist academics will go to manipulate the data. The wage gap is a myth. If you used to be an anti-feminist, you should know that the wage gap doesn't take the relevant variables into account. It doesn't compare men and women doing the same job. I would point you to feminist research from the AAUW which claimed to find that even when they controlled for the variables, they still found an "unexplained wage gap." One of their biggest claims was that occupation didn't explain as much of the wage gap as is often thought. It turns out, they used a data set that groups its sample into only 12 BROAD OCCUPATIONAL CATEGORIES. TWELVE (12)! One of the categories was "other white-collar jobs," another was just "other." Imagine comparing professional athletes to food servers and saying "we compared people in the same occupation and found wage disparities, which surely indicates discrimination!" It's so absurd that I don't think incompetence can explain it, only malice. This wasn't some irrelevant paper either, I found out about it because a local politician cited it while pushing for a state house bill, and I've seen it cited so many times since.

They do the same sorts of thing with so many other issues, including rape statistics, false rape accusation statistics, domestic violence statistics, the pink tax, blind orchestra auditions, online harassment, and so many others. This sort of outright lying, manipulations, and frankly gaslighting takes up so much energy and it's pretty much all feminists do.

Then look at what feminists do to oppose equality. The National Organization for Women has opposed shared parenting bills throughout the U.S., even when popular. In Florida, they convinced the governor to veto a shared parenting bill that had passed both the House and Senate with bipartisan support, on two occasions. One of the biggest legal differences between men and women is conscription (as an aside, I challenge you to name one right that men have in the US that women do not. I can name a few in reverse.) What did feminists do to advocate for legal equality of the sexes? NOW wrote a lousy amicus brief in support of an appeal made by an MRA group after their challenge to the legality of the male only draft was shot down in court. They wrote an amicus brief in support of an effort doomed to fail. If they can shoot down a popular bill, they have sufficient power to actually change something, and they won't actually do anything but pretend to care. If feminists wanted equality in conscription, we'd have it by now. Also, in their amicus brief, they described it as unfair to women that only men were drafted into wars. They actually said that women were the actual victims of male conscription. It reminds me of Hillary Clinton saying "men have always been the primary victims of war, women loose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."

Feminists may not actually be responsible for creating the draft, but they are responsible for creating the Duluth Model. First, watch this video of Murray Straus presenting his research showing the following:

(1) Women perpetrate and initiate physical attacks on partners at the same or higher rate as men.(2) Most partner violence is mutual.(3) Partner violence has multiple causes, only one of which is to preserve a patriarchal societal and family system.(4) Motives for partner violence are parallel for men and women.(5) Self-defense explains only a small percent of partner violence by women.(6) Men cause more fear and injury, but about a third of the injuries and deaths are inflicted by female partners.

Then watch this interview of Michael Paymar, one of the creators of the Duluth Model, the most commonly used model, and one that explicitly discriminates against men by casting them as the abusers and women as the victims. If focuses on helping victimized women, and helping men to stop their abuse. In this interview, Paymar states in no uncertain terms that the Duluth Model is feminist in nature. He also acknowledges that Murray Straus found gender symmetry in perpetration of domestic violence, but Paymar says that women are violent for different reasons, namely self-defense, so domestic violence is still a gendered issues. Never mind the fact that Straus proved that this is not true. Paymar isn't ignorant, he is lying through his teeth.

Feminism is not about achieving equality. It is about demonizing men. It does not deserve your support.

Pingusek02 · 2021-09-19T15:45:32+00:00

Feminism is about improving the lives of women, which is sexists, most actual anti feminist (not incels) support equality.

GivePuppiesBazookas · 2021-09-19T16:39:51+00:00

Why are you so against something that is trying to improve the lives of men, women,

lol, because you are not.

I'll give just one example to show you how fucking insanely self centered femininst are: abortion

The simple fact that you not only leave men out of the conversation, which absolutely effects us, is enough. But you folks don't even stop there, you tell us we have no say "our body. out choice" yet demand we support and help you, if we don't it's somehow our fault (even though you are strong, independent women). Feminism intentionally does anything they can to keep men out of the conversation to keep us powerless. Somehow you getting pregnant is out fault on top of that, not both our faults, seems to always be just us.

The abortion conversation over the last just 10 years, because of feminism, has gone from family planning, to abortion, to women's health. Intentionally taking men out of the picture, then you bitch, moan, complain and blame men for you not winning your court battles (because half the people who vote on this stuff you are basically telling to fuck off and suck it up, deal with no kid if you want one, pay up if you don't)

That's just one example, but hey, let's do a more simple one, you won't even let us fucking speak, we're "mansplaining". We can't even have a discussion, we get blocked (and in person it just turns into who can talk louder and spiting out dumb ass sayings that make no sense most of the time. You won't let 99% of men join the conversation, when many of the things feminism is trying to fix are human issues, not female issues. You make everything about YOU.

Like for fucks sake, 80% of those attacked by a stranger, you know, these walking down the street crimes, are MEN. Yet somehow it's a female problem according to feminism. And us men can't even point that out because magically you stop caring about victims, but now it's about perps

Or how about this one, the whole "we need to tech boys...." who the heck do you think are raising all these boys you guys blame and hate so much? It's women.

We are anti feminists because feminism is anti male and frankly most of us are just fucking exhausted of being blamed for everything while at the same time being excluded.

Women have an INSANE amount of power and pull in family court, until you actually use your ACTIONS, we will never buy the crap of "feminism is trying to help men" when you have the chance to make things literally fair and even for men, you refuse and actually in many cases demand even more.

Made-of-magic- · 2021-09-19T18:52:45+00:00

Feminists tell women what to do, what to say. Judge women with a mind of their own.

Hate men and blame them for their own problems.

How can Feminism be about Equality if they ONLY care about one gender.

carrenco · 2021-09-19T17:05:59+00:00

Feminism is evil anti-male cult, which has thrived and thrives with the vital financial and authority (LAW, Gov. MenForce) help by Cucks in power and in general civilians, But Cucks in power globally are the main and only enablers and passing these anti-male misandrist LAWS or push feminist agenda to whatever feminist are trying to achieve which is destruction of everything good.

Feminism is a by-product penis envy and in order to cope with the fact that they don’t have penis, they turn their hate for themselves outward directed to towards heterosexual people who just wanna make traditional families and live their lives rightly. They hate specifically traditional good females because their hatred for themselves because they can’t be like those traditional females. So they pretend that they are helping those ‘oppressed’ traditional females by introducing them to toxic hateful anti-male ideology called feminism, hoping to destroy their lives and make them miserable like they are.

Very cunning and calculated.

It’s a evil anti-male cult.

GltyUntlPrvnInncnt · 2021-09-19T17:03:09+00:00

So you've bought into feminist propaganda. I feel sorry for you.

tommytimbertoes · 2021-09-19T19:24:06+00:00

LOL! "trying to improve the lives of men, women, and our future generations"? They hate men. Get it now? They hate us until they need us. Without men who will fix their cars? Lift their heavy stuff? Build buildings? Repair roads/bridges? Repair their roofs? Fix their furnaces, water heaters? Who will shovel their snow or mow their lawns? The list goes on and on and on and.....

TechDude30 · 2021-09-19T20:03:27+00:00

As others have pointed out there isn't any improving that's being done in the first place. With subs like FDS that promote violence towards men saying "kill all men". Or we have stories where other women have ruined the lives of men by making false claims.

https://reason.com/2018/10/17/seneca-valley-mean-girls-false-sexual/

I mean we have a story like this back from 2018 as an example of women who used whatever power they had in order to make the life of the male student that they hated a living hell. Even when they admitted they made everything up no amount of justice was brought to them.

We get replies like "whatever incel" and god knows what else there is showing that you don't want to have a proper and genuine conversation, your only here to stir the pot and cause as much trouble as you possibly can because instead of working on making yourself the better person you feel that it's easier to drag down someone of the opposite sex while using your gender as leverage in order to get whatever it is that you want at the expense of some poor guy.

If you really want to promote the whole "we're for equality" then treat us the way you want to be treated in return. If you treat us like crap then expect the same in return. If you don't like that and demand that we should praise you and kiss the floor you walk on while you continue to lord over us then I got news for you, it ain't happening.

master-retta · 2021-09-19T21:43:21+00:00

Nothing good came or going to come from this shitty and man hating group.

Alarming_Draw · 2021-09-19T21:04:57+00:00

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Title	Why are y’all “anti feminists”
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Date	September 19, 2021 3:41 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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