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when your world view shares 95% of ideas with fascism

SAMMYYYTEEH · 2021-10-17T16:06:07+00:00

Crosspost "when your world view shares 95% of ideas with fascism" from /r/AntiFememenists:Posted by Selfmade_3127 | 17 October 2021 |...

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October 17, 2021

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Title	when your world view shares 95% of ideas with fascism
Author	SAMMYYYTEEH
Upvotes	325
Comments	16
Date	October 17, 2021 4:06 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/AntiFeminists
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Been there, done that.

There are 2 critical flaws with national socialism, that make it non-viable, outside of most left-wing movements turning genocidal after they obtain power (see "the reign of terror", Nazi Germany, communists in Russia and China).

Flaw 1 it is socialism and as such will always prioritise narrative over reality, same as feminism. This is an easy way out to pretend that you are always correct, making people loose sight of reality leading to an eventual and unavoidable societal collapse.

Flaw 2 is that it follows a collectivist philosophy. There is an economic principle known as the Pareto principle: the majority of benefit is produced by a minority of people. Along the lines of the top 20% of people produce 80% of benefit. Having an individualistic meritocratic system is therefore necessary to maintain the system and the society to thrive. The same applies to re-distribution, if you continuously re-distribute wealth you destroy one of the largest ways to incentivise that top percentage of people to work collapsing the entire system. In the end it boils down to if you have earned things on merit you should keep it.

Even on their own, each of these flaws make it a national socialism non-viable long term.

An interesting way of achieving more or less similar system is the constitution of the Kingdom of Finland under the Russian Empire. The interesting point there was the division of votes, which was divided into military and nobility (1 vote), clergy and academia (1 vote), townsfolk (1 vote), and countryfolk (1 vote). 4 in total, with the monarch acting as a failsafe, preventing groups from forming an alliance against one of the groups, and had ultimate authority serving as the tie breaker. In practice all groups understood that they either prosper together, or fall together, so everybody had a voice to address issues (not necessarily get what you want, but at least an explanation why it's a bad idea), lobbying was pointless, and mostly avoided the pitfalls of democracy (like wining elections through rhetoric and being popular, rather than on merit). This is part of the reason why Finland is the way it is now, in a good way.

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[–]Iceman_Hottie 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm the type of person who needs time to think of a response, so written messages are a better way for me, but yeah we can go into dm.

When you prioritize natural Law, you can't go wrong.

Not really familiar with natural law. I'd say a bit closer to yield to the truth uncovered through methodical observations of cause and effect, be willing to admit that you were wrong, and don't lie.

Plus, German economy was meritocratic, there was"winter relief" and unemployment benefits but with full employment they were not needed.

There is definitely something to be learned from them, however I don't consider direct application a viable option because a lot of it relyed on stealing from undesireables and using them as slaves. The meritocracy also came in as a factor only after allegiance to the party. I would put merit higher, at prity much don't do crimes and don't damage/seek to destroy the the society being the only things above it.

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