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I'm a feminist and I genuinely have questions

elorajustice · 2022-01-04T18:12:51+00:00

What do you fight for? Do you support feminism? (if not, why...

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January 4, 2022

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Title	I'm a feminist and I genuinely have questions
Author	elorajustice
Upvotes	0
Comments	12
Date	January 4, 2022 6:12 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]BJP-KMforDecision 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]BJP-KMforDecision 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, then [speaking for myself, but I suspect for many here] there are many of your espoused views that we oppose. In part, what we are espousing here:

[1] All life is precious, including the unborn. [2] A man has a right to be part of a child's life from conception [a duty, really]. While most men abhor absentee fathers, we also rail against laws that often keep them away from their children, while being shaken down for money to support them. [3] Gender matters. There are only 2. [4] Men are discriminated against differently, and often more unfairly than women.
[5] The traditional two-parent, two gender, family is still the most effective way to raise children. Progressive efforts over the last 60 years have systematically rotted American culture and undermined those values that make this Nation the desired place in the world. [6] Sexual assault happens to men - mostly un- or under-reported and discounted by activists with a decidedly anti-male agenda. [7] Equality of opportunities, not outcomes. Equity is a false premise. There are others that many here will be happy to add.

I speak as an American 🇺🇸 and cannot, nor will not, defend or otherwise address how women are treated elsewhere.

[–]elorajustice 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll respond to every one of your points :D I genuinely do want to have a discussion, so please bare with me if I sound ignorant to you.

1 - "All life is precious, including the unborn" I'll take this as a Woman's life being equal to that of a fetus, and around that premise I'll form my argument. If you disagree with the idea that an adult is just as important as a fetus, then this argument doesn't necessarily address you, but I hope you read it anyway.

My claim: If a woman's life is as important as a fetus' life, then you should be pro-choice.

Say you agreed to donate an organ to a person. That person would die without your organ donation. When it comes to the day of the operation, you panic and don't want to donate your organ anymore. Should you be hunted down and forced to donate your organ? Are you a murderer if the person dies because they didn't get that organ?

The comparison:

"you agreed to donate an organ" - consenting to sex
"the person would die without your organ" - a fetus would die without the mother.
"you don't want to donate your organ anymore" - you don't want to be pregnant.

TDLR support - No person has a right to another person's body, no matter the circumstance.

2 - I respect this idea, but, at the same time, there are some states in the U.S. that literally allow a rapist to have parental rights.

3 & 4 - "Gender Matters" There are more than 2 genders depending what country you live in (two spirited people of the native americans, hijras of the indians, and the nonbinary gender of hawaiians). Either way, gender is the oppressor for both MRA's and Feminists. Women suffer because of gender roles and genderstereotypes the same way men do.

The idea of "Toxic masculinity" is badly worded, but it's exactly what some of you are upset about. Men's suicide rates are a problem because we live in a world where we have this idea that men can't feel emotions outside of anger. Not all men can't be themselves because they have to be "masculine".

5 - I'm not sure what to say to this. The arguments I can make are purely from personal experience, so I'll ignore this unless you're willing to elaborate.

6 - Yes. Feminists do raise awareness about this. The issue with SA a lot of the time is when we talk about women's experiences we get a lot of "what about men?" or "you deserved it". We unfortunately live in a world where the people who say "what about men?", don't really care half of the time and are just trying to derail the conversation.

Please keep raising awareness for male survivors. It does make the world a better place.

7 - We don't currently have equality of opportunities in many areas right now, though. *this is a completely different debate, so I'd rather you just don't respond to this.

Thank you for reading this lmao.

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