(posted this in TRP, never tried before but got deleted)

Long time lurker, made this burner just to post this cause I'm sure I'm gonna get a ridiculous amount of shit for this post.

I Red Pilled about 5 mos. ago. Got in shape, fixed my diet, which fixed a lot of my health issues and also got me out of the rut I was in. Started dating pretty consistently, spinning a lot, had quite a few good quality lays. I almost went LTR once but said fuck it, this is too much fun. Maintained frame, passed a lot of shit tests, yadda yadda yadda. I could keep doing this for the rest of my life, but I gotta be honest: something is bugging the shit out of me.

As you all, I was once a beta pussy faggot. I spent a lot of time asking girls "Are you ok?" when I really wanted to fuck them. I'm an average looking dudes so this was 5s and 6s I couldn't even fuck. Because I thought I was respecting them like I was taught by ma and society. So I dropped the chivalry shit and like I said, Red Pilled hard. But at the same time I feel like I was missing something, like there was something out of my perception that I couldn't see but was pissing me the fuck off.

I got really high one night and it came to me - and I know this is the mirror some advanced RPers talk about - but I was literally doing the same shit I hated when dating women previously. They didn't give a fuck about me, they were just using me to fill their needs. And I started comparing the chicks I chased before Red Pill(some of them, anyways, chased a lot of cunts too) and I was fucking really objectively hot girls, but they were honestly shitty people. The girls I was chasing before, esp the ones I had oneitis for bad, were decent. They didn't want orbiters tbh because they thought it was weird to keep guys that like them around(didn't want to use people). They didn't cheat (afaik) or fuck around or swing from vine to vine. The hot girls I'm fucking now are shallow as fuck, I can't stand spending time with them after the first few weeks and first few fucks, and end up moving on. I have a few plates I can actually converse with, but they aren't hot enough for me to fuck anymore. I've met some hot girls that I suspect might be more interesting but they act like they're out of my league, and won't pay me any mind no matter how strong my game is.

So now I'm wondering if this attitude I've adopted of never give a fuck about a bitch is filtering out some decent women, real LTR material, and just leaving me with hot but empty women. Like these other chicks are wise to me. Like I'm just grasping at easy pussy and running the numbers until it works. I know this is some absolute Beta 101 bullshit, but it's got me fucked up. I'm gonna go lift and see if I can pave this shit over but it's been bugging me for a while now. This shit is a stream of consciousness mess but make of it what you will, IDGAF.

So what does this have to do with ethics? I spent a lot of my beta days reading philosophy subreddit and other philosophy stuff, and still spend a lot of time thinking about morality and shit. Just a hobby. I know RP is a strategic framework, and not a moral one. Don't need to tell me twice. But I wonder if some of this shit isn't ethically questionable, like assuming everyone else is ok being a plate(aka source of attention supply/abundance supply for me), or letting them figure it out. I can think of some more examples but that's a big one - assuming the other person is playing the same game as me with the same rules so it's their fault if they get their feelings hurt. that's the same shit women do to us, and it's fucked up. And I wonder if the reason it seems like AWALT is because I'm selecting for chicks that play these fucking games. Humans are smart as fuck, and I used to be really wise to chicks who played games. Now it seems a little different, because I think I've got the games figured out and it doesn't bother me. But I've always got my game going, fast with witty responses to stupid shit, decisive, always moving, never sitting still for a bitch for any reason. And I'm wondering if there are some decent women out there who can smell by bullshit and just walk away. I see a lot of guys here just say "well she's a bitch don't waste your time" but I wonder if she can smell my secret desperation for pussy and see that I'm basically playing mind games with the girls around me and just checks out?

Basically what I'm saying is I thought this shit was unethical when women were doing it to me, and I get that if this is the game, it's better for me to play and win then play and lose(aka be a fucking beta). But what if it's not, and there's a layer of women that don't play games that I'm missing because now I'M the one playing games? Idk, maybe it's not a thing. Just waxing philosophical in my faggoty old age. Thanks for reading and downvoting you fags.