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United Kingdom has the worst Family Rights Laws in the World

Fathers4Justice

October 22, 2017
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/r/MensRights
http://donaldtenn.com/united-kingdom-still-worst-family-rights-laws-world/
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Title United Kingdom has the worst Family Rights Laws in the World
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Fathers4Justice

Upvotes 36
Comments 10
Date October 22, 2017 8:35 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/782s08/united_kingdom_has_the_worst_family_rights_laws/
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Comments

[–]number4ty7 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

They really don't. Ireland is much worse. The UK is bad but not on par with backwards Ireland. I campaign fathers rights in the UK. I fight in family court in Ireland. There's no contest.

Sure there is worse globally too. Aussie, Indian and America seem terrible.

[–]1493271 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Can you go into more detail as to why Ireland is so bad?

[–]number4ty7 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

They just won't listen. My children were abducted to Poland by their mother, nothing happened, she forged documents, (I proved it) nothing happened, I proved her dv allegations were lies, nothing happened. I showed various separate lies in court, nothing happened.

She claimed anything? I had to prove it. So far I'm in my second year, no progress. I had to leave the country to get away from false allegations including kidnapping my own children. Last time I was in court at great expense she claimed she didn't have time to find a lawyer even though I had followed court procedure correctly. It was adjourned, back over in November. More expense.

The constant questioning of my parenting ability even though I had letters from schools, creches, doctors and others is demoralizing. After 9 years of fathering and 3 of those as a stay at home dad I feel as if nothing counts. I had evidence she was leaving the kids alone, (9 & 7) but they didn't want to hear it.

They will not listen to evidence, cases are rushed and of course maintenance is always the biggest concern. I've been through supervised visitation, no visitation, I've had to use the Hague convention, I've had to prove my sanity and she just breaches orders at will. No punishment, her word is gospel, my evidence ignored.

I'm about to appeal to a higher court but the system dictates that the higher court decision is final so I risk permanently losing my children.

It's a travesty, on paper it looks great. In reality it us a backwards institution mired in secrecy and outdated (Catholic) viewpoints.

[–]1493272 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Every time I read or hear a story like this, I think that I need to get a vasectomy pronto. Kids are great, but losing them, like that....

[–]number4ty7 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. I know my kids will come back to me as soon as they can, they want to see me and I will fight on in the meantime.

I'm not going to deny its been hard, it's been the death of me but those years with my kids made me the man I am. I would recommend kids to any man, just be prepared.

[–]Fathers4Justice[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I read this story every single day, the only difference is the time and date.

[–]Fathers4Justice[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We communicate regularly with 13 countries who are recognized as being part of our International chapters. We also communicate with 50 United States.

Of course everyone says the same, "Our Country/State/Judge/Court/Solicitors are the worst."

Everywhere I personally travel, and in every interview I give, I make it a point to say, "I am here today because this countries courts are the worst in the entire world." We have statistics, we know what countries are worse than others and it varies on the subject matter. Some courts, judges and more are worse than others, I spend more time in courtrooms than many solicitors, I see what is going on and even if just one(1) child is alienated from one(1) of their parents who is fit and willing to parent, that is one(1) child too many.

I appreciate your comment and opinion but I also have days where I read 200 e-mails and yes of course, some are from Ireland, the UK, Australia, India, Canada, Germany, Chile, America, South Africa and more and I can assure you, they all feel as if their country, their court, their judge and of course, their situation is the worst to ever be, but as stated, there are many variables, the bottom line for me is always trhe same, ANY court in ANY country that keeps a child away from their fit and willing parent is the worst and my comments are not about myself and my case but about everyone's cases and more importantly to me, my comments are for ALL CHILDREN!

"Change through Awareness, Awareness through Activism"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Needs more work, some good points but some of the statistics could be better explained!

  1. is just an unequal outcome, there's no explanation of how it relates to unequal rights.

  2. How many children have no contact with their mothers? how many of these are because the father was denied contact that they were actively seeking (at least some of these will be intentionally absent fathers, some will be 'father unknown' etc.)

  3. That's a good one, yeah, it sucks that you can have responsibilities without rights.

  4. Pretty much just restating #1; if the children are resident with the mother most of the time, then most 'non-resident contact applications' will come from fathers.

  5. Yes this one needs fixing. Imagine "The Mother can only do X with the signed consent of the child's father" .. it sounds Archaic when the genders are reversed.

[If it's yours OP, hope you don't mind the criticism, just getting the arguments in before others do.

[–]Fathers4Justice[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't mind anyone's criticism. I am an unpaid volunteer, today is Sunday, I will put in 12 hours.

The bottom line will always be the same, we have reunited countless children with their parents. We have brought about awareness all around the world. We are affecting a change! There WILL be typo's, there definitely will be disagreements with regard to our methodology of using ACTIVISM rather than sending meme's on facebook but... each to their own mate. This works for us and we will continue.

THANKS for your comment, if you would like to compile articles and send them in for posting, we would be most appreciative: [email protected]

[–]DolphinsAreOk 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty bad is not worst in the world.

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