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Police say she lied about rape at Clemson frat house. She stands by her claim.

Singlebother

April 2, 2018
78 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.thestate.com/news/state/article203048834.html
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Title Police say she lied about rape at Clemson frat house. She stands by her claim.
Author

Singlebother

Upvotes 78
Comments 11
Date April 2, 2018 3:33 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/8906vx/police_say_she_lied_about_rape_at_clemson_frat/
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Comments

[–]Singlebother[S] 32 points33 points34 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“This story is being blown out of proportion, and that’s all I can say,” the woman said

Do you think the guy she had consensual sex with and then filed a rape claim against thinks things were blown out of proportion?

[–]maplemaximus 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love how quick the article is to try and calm you down and stop you from being worried about false claims.

The reality is that false claims are filed all of the time, it’s just hard to prove that the person intentionally lied and didn’t just report a true crime with little evidence to back their accusations up.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

I would encourage people here not to leap to conclusions about her guilt, just as they would not leap to conclusions about the guilt of those she accused.

However, this is bullshit:

Rapes are rarely falsely reported, research has shown. About 2 to 10 percent of sexual assault claims are found false, according to the National Sexual Violence Research Center and The National Center for the Prosecution of Violence Against Women.

Those are only the most conservative research numbers we have for false reports, and include only those who have admitted to filing a false report with the police. False accusations that are disproven, but don't come with admissions of guilt aren't counted in those statistics, and they very likely amount to the majority of false claims, so the real proportion could be 2-3 times larger.

[–]Arby01 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I would encourage people here not to leap to conclusions about her guilt,

meh, when you consider the political climate and how much evidence the police would have to have to charge her with making a false claim, I would suspect the percentage chance of her being guilty is much, much higher than the reverse. It is still only a percentage chance though.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There are plenty of feminists who feel the same way about men charged with rape. I’m just saying we shouldn’t be like them. Judge each case by its merits. The article didn’t go into the evidence against her, so we have no way of making an informed judgment about her guilt or innocence.

[–]Arby01 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

who feel the same way about men charged with rape.

You are right, there are plenty of feminists who feel that way. I am more than happy to give the benefit of the doubt. I am not talking about feelings though.

The point I was making was that in order to charge her, the police have to have a much stronger case than the reverse. If they were to even appear to be punishing "uncorroborated reports of sexual assault" then the officers and DA in the case would all be headed to the unemployment line given the current political climate.

The likelihood that she is guilty of the crime is much, much higher than the reverse because even accusing her of it has high consequences for the police and DA if they are wrong. Since they could just as easily filed it under "unprovable" and dropped the matter, it implies that they have a stronger than average case.

EDIT: offices->officers

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t personally disagree with your assessment, but that assessment is still about the political climate, not the case itself. My point about feminists was that they feel it’s highly unlikely for male rapists to be charged unless the evidence is overwhelmingly convincing, so they feel justified in their presumptions of guilt as well.

I’m just saying we should be better than feminists and not jump to conclusions about specific cases, based on our appraisals of how the justice system handles rape cases in general.

[–]CulturalWishbone 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Please put her in jail...

[–]Singlebother[S] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. It's time to set a new precedent. Rapists get convicted, AND so do those filing false grievances.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If found guilty of filing a false report, the woman could face up to five years in prison and/or up to a $1,000 fine.

That's it? For trying to ruin a guys life?

[–]McFeely_Smackup 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Rapes are rarely falsely reported, research has shown. About 2 to 10 percent of sexual assault claims are found false, according to the National Sexual Violence Research Center and The National Center for the Prosecution of Violence Against Women.

I wonder is we'd be tossing around words like "rarely" if women were being falsely accused of horrible crimes at 10% rates.

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