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And you wonder why doctors push so hard for infant circumcision in America.

thwip62

September 11, 2019
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https://joseph4gi.blogspot.com/2019/09/when-someone-says-its-not-money.html
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Title And you wonder why doctors push so hard for infant circumcision in America.
Author

thwip62

Upvotes 17
Comments 22
Date September 11, 2019 10:34 PM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/d2yakp/and_you_wonder_why_doctors_push_so_hard_for/
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Comments

[–]theanchorman05 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

It's always about the money. The same thing when people ask about why women get custody of the kids the majority of the time...it makes more money.

[–]thwip62 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Seven fucking grand, though? Why can't these people see they're being conned? For that much money, I can even see doctors who don't approve of the practice, but are greedy, doing it.

[–]theanchorman05 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

People don't care unless it's brought to their attention via the media or social media of some dumb celebrity.

[–]thwip62 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is true. This is why I'm glad the subject is being discussed so often online. Yes, some people will always be like "this again?!". As long as it's still happening, though it needs to be talked about so that people will question it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Most parents don’t pay $7000 their insurance company does.

[–]thwip62 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Ah, I just saw the guy's other tweet. It's still a fuck of a lot of money. Money that's ultimately finding it's way into some so-called doctor's bank account.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

In terms of conscience yes.

The average cost without insurance for a neonate is in the vicinity of $400-700 and progressively goes up in price dependant on age.

If covered by insurance you pay for your policy over the period of the year and may incur a small fee when you claim.

The price will be negotiated between the insurance company and the medical practitioner and is what ever it is.

[–]thwip62 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ridiculous. I just don't get the American medical system.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s a scam and not a system or mentally I would be prepared to live under. 44 million without healthcare coverage does not sit well with me especially when obscene prices are being demanded by practitioners and insurance companies alike.

[–]thwip62 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I saw that documentary Sicko about American healthcare. It was certainly illuminating.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

It makes sense money is a key motivator that should be obvious. Countries that have socialised healthcare systems have virtually all withdrawn funding for non therapeutic circumcision. As a consequence circumcision rates plummet to the point of abandonment.

The same is experienced in the US in the states that don’t offer coverage.

The cost of the procedure when covered by insurance is irrelevant to the parent because they are not paying out of pocket so is not even a consideration.

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Countries that have socialised healthcare systems have virtually all withdrawn funding for non therapeutic circumcision.

That's not true in the slightest, even if you were right and they 'withdrew funding' circumcision is still widely practised regardless, while profit does seem to be a motivating factor, religion and culture seem to be the primary reasons people even want to do it to their children in the first place.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

In my experience it is in fact where I am from non therapeutic circumcision is banned in all publicly funded facilities.

[–]Lethn -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Your country is not 'socialised healthcare systems', it's just your country.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

By comparison to the likes of the US it could be viewed as being such however no system is completely socialised. Even a system that is 50% public and 50% private see dramatic decline in non therapeutic circumcision.

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Not really the only thing that is going to get rid of the majority of it is an outright ban, again, you're not taking into account the fact that circumcision is viewed as a cultural and religious practice by many people.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I disagree, if I consider the case of New Zealand who had at one time the highest circumcision rates of all English speaking countries being 95% and then saw a decline to the current rate of 5%.

This decline was almost solely driven by doctors in the initial stages whom refused to perform the procedure on the basis it was medically unnecessary and breached their Hippocratic oaths.

This prompted the withdrawal of funding for the procedure and a process of education that further made the practice redundant.

At one time virtually all fathers were circumcised spanning generations none the less the sense of tradition did not exceed understanding of necessity and ethics.

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That was a result of the actions of individual doctors though rather than a withdrawal of funding as was your first claim.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Incorrect the action came from the governing medical colleges and then enacted by the individual doctors.

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They could have just as easily ignored that though or protested it and the government would have likely gone along with it for votes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not having the money to pay for circumcision and not being able to find someone to perform it are not that dissimilar.

[–]thwip62 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Benefits"? Someone's benefiting, alright.

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