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DEBUNKING The MYTH of Women BUILDING MEN | Pearl Daily

stax496

November 25, 2024

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Title	DEBUNKING The MYTH of Women BUILDING MEN \| Pearl Daily
Author	stax496
Upvotes	42
Comments	11
Date	November 25, 2024 11:59 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]Upper-Divide-7842 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]stax496[S] 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]Upper-Divide-7842 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She's dumb. She has an at best surface level understanding on men's rights issues, if you watched her content you would believe a significant amount of the mens rights platform is about meaningless dating bullshit. She missuses statistics, is incapable of pre-empting counter arguments. Some times straight up lies.

She's actively counterproductive when it comes to mens issues being taken seriously.

Her entire purpose online is to be a part of the never-ending cavilcade of red-pill slop that exist to bilk superchats out of lonely teenagers by heranging a parade of nobody "304's" each of whome is no dumber or smarter than herself about their utterly vacuous sex lives.

If she mentions a real issue like the draft it's not out of actual advocacy but to do some retarded maximalist bullshit like say that women shouldn't vote, which gives ammo for feminists and the MSM alike to point at her and go "Look, aren't MRA' s a bunch of woman hating retards."

[–]stax496[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

This seems to devolve into a no true scotsman argument.

She has been far more influential in moving the overton window by challenging the culture surrounding the 'women are wonderful trope'

She has worked with famous male rights activists like paul elam and in this video condemns conservatives voices like ben shapiro shilling marriage without reform

The thing is the manosphere (red pill included) extends beyond the scope of dating and touches upon the gender culture wars as well and politics.

An argument can be made for highlighting how women have misused their voting rights and their political interests are detrimental to society.

All in all I think that certain mras and conservatives unnecessarily consider the manosphere an ideological threat and competitor than a potential political ally given a sizeable overlap of interests.

So all in all it irks a lot of former conservatives who align more with the manosphere in that they cannot see the rise in manosphere adherents was an organic response to the failures or more so inadequate results of mras and conservatives.

Edit: Just wondering which of the MRA's or conservative youtubers that you listen to also share your stance on the matter?

[–]Upper-Divide-7842 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

"This seems to devolve into a no true scotsman argument."

She's a mens advocate. Just a bad one.

"She has been far more influential in moving the overton window by challenging the culture surrounding the 'women are wonderful trope'"

Her existence might alter the overton window in a way I like but that doesn't make her content good. Just makes her a counterbalance to insane feminists.

I havn't found her arguments against the WAW effect particularly compelling and I'm someone who already agrees that they are not.

I doubt she's convincing anyone who doesn't already agree with her. But maybe her content has improved since the last time I watched her.

"She has worked with famous male rights activists like paul elam and in this video condemns conservatives voices like ben shapiro shilling marriage without reform."

Well that's better. Paul Elam has a similar issue with childish provocations but at least with him you can tell it's deliberate and he knows the issues.

I'm not entirely convinced that the money donated to Paul goes anywhere but his own pockets but AVFM is one of the better resources for men's issues.

I have to ask though, what kind of reform does she want for marriage? Because the divorce and child support industries sorely need reform but in the past I've found that Pearl tends to advocate for things like getting rid of No Fault Divorce.

Tell me, how does a man leave his abusive wife if not for NFD? You think he's got a good shot at convincing a judge his wife is abusing him? I don't.

"The thing is the manosphere (red pill included) extends beyond the scope of dating and touches upon the gender culture wars as well and politics."

The manosphere has several component parts that frequently hate eachother. The Red Pillers and PUA's think MRAs are a bunch of pussies. The Incels think the Red Pillers are a bunch of sociopathic chads. The MRA's think red pillers and Incels are too focused on vacuous and ultimately irrelevant relationship shit like "Womens body counts are too high!"

"An argument can be made for highlighting how women have misused their voting rights and their political interests are detrimental to society."

An argument can be made for nearly anything. Doesn't mean it's true.

I'm going to make some assumptions about you based on other people who have made this argument to me in the past. I'm guessing that by "misused their voting rights" you mean they don't vote right wing?

1. This is a recent development. Women are traditionally more conservative than men. In my country this only changed in 2017.

And 2. Who the fuck told you that voting right wing was the objectively correct way to vote?

The rightoids hate men less than the leftoids because they have an idealised construction of what a man is that they don't hate. Something the leftoids don't have.

But rightoids hate the man on the street as much as, if not more than the left.

Honestly with this one it sounds like your about to start telling me that you think women shouldn't vote.

Despite what feminists might tell you I've never seen a mens issues conference where "women voting" was one of the men's issues being discussed.

If you believe this then the reason we can't work together is not because I'm playing some political game with the other parts of the manosphere. It's because we don't want the same thing.

We're for equal rights here.

"So all in all it irks a lot of former conservatives who align more with the manosphere in that they cannot see the rise in manosphere adherents was an organic response to the failures or more so inadequate results of mras and conservatives."

This is an interesting point you may well be on to something here. I concede that MRA's have not made the progress that I would like and I can understand if someone reaction to that is to be frustrated and seek action else where.

However I don't know that that actually accounts for the greater popularity of the red pill podcast phenomenon. I would bet money that most of the viewers of these shows as well as most of the hosts never bothered engaging with the MRA before going straight to RP.

So if the MRA doesn't get much support they themselves are the reason why.

My own theory would be this. The Red Pill is dumber than the MRA and this more digestible to the average person, given that the average person is a midwit.

"Just wondering which of the MRA's or conservative youtubers that you listen to also share your stance on the matter?"

Well the conservatives I watch are people like Ben Shapiro. If she's denigrating marriage and criticising conservatism in this video I imagine they would not like that very much.

But I'm not a conservative so I don't care what they like.

The MRAs would probably say something like your second paragraph. As they've said as much about figures like Roosh V whome I find even more odious than Pearl.

But I'm not here to tell you what Karen Straughn thinks, Im here to tell you what I think.

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