https://zawn.substack.com/p/whats-wrong-with-men-with-jessa-crispin

Featured in this long interview between two hypocrites who have long written that marriage is oppressive to women, but are married to men ("only their men are Good Ones!" of course. At least for now.):

Crispin asking Villines a clarifying question, "Do you mean abusive relationships or heterosexual relationships?" and Villines responds that she "equates them."

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Zawn Villines admitting that "the majority of her young, 20-something female subscribers" would ask "why can't we just get rid of men entirely?"---which is a sub-heading in Crispin's book---so she asks Crispin what the answer is, and she spends about 20-30 minutes rambling before ultimately concluding that women need the resources which men can provide.

So basically, despite the fact that the last 15 minutes is them talking about "manosphere grifters" (apparently totally oblivious to the fact they they both are effectively doing the same exact thing as those "manosphere grifts" i.e. surviving on a cottage industry of stoking online gender wars) --- in true "horseshoe theory" fashion, they apparently believe the same things as the reddest of Redpillers---i.e. women do not actually love men (maybe can't love men) but are simply gold-diggers, so if you (a straight man) want to have sex, don't think of women are equals or friends, just think of them as transactional objects who want "the power and resources which flow through you" (Crispin's words).

The points on which they DON'T agree ... basically, whether we live in Patriarchy (Villines) or "Zombie Patriarchy" (Crispin) and Crispin doesn't identify as "feminist" (despite believing virtually all the things which radical feminists believe except for the bit about Patriarchy vs. Zombie Patriarchy).