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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
As Tempest mentioned, if you change your wording to note that this is what you personally think - then that will help, in part.
Just a few notes:
You are trying to cover a tremendous amount of material (many of your ideas could be stand-alone threads in their own right) very quickly. This isn't going to convince anyone that RP/W is less 'evil' unfortunately. Believe me, I know many users on this sub (myself included) that have tried to patiently and carefully explain where and how most people mis-interpret RP/W. The problem is - most people don't care, and you're very unlikely to change their mind. Now, does that mean you shouldn't try? No. If you feel passionately about wanting to translate RP/W into a language that outsiders understand and accept - that's fine, and I encourage you to do so. That said, the RPW sub is not the place to do it. This post would be more appropriate on the PPD sub I think. This sub is for people that are actively looking to learn, change, and improve. We aren't in the business of actively recruiting, or trying to change hearts and minds. Trying to do so would invite a tremendous amount of noise and hogwash. People come here for many different reasons - but they stay because they want to (and that applies as much to genuine users as it does to the trolls and non-RP users).
Hopefully that makes sense.
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[–]TempestTcup1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And please don't frame it as what RPW believe because it isn't, but you can frame it as what you as an RPW PERSONALLY believe, but doesn't necessarily speak for the entire sub.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I am still not quite catching what you guys are saying.
I don't feel that it is just me who feels this way, certainly? Plus that sounds really unusual. I kind of figured that if the ladies wanted to add anything, change, critique, judge, or bring up; they would. :/
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Your title insinuates that you are speaking on behalf of the sub, for all the users here- which also implies that you think of yourself as in a position of such great power and understanding that gives you the implicit "green light" to make such statements.
The Mods don't even speak on behalf of every user here. We do inform everyone about rule changes, clarifications, and user behavior/trends that need to be addressed. When we make posts however, it's as an individual user, with personal beliefs and ideas.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oooooh! I see what you are saying now.
Oh, no no. That was definitely not my intent! Haha, ok. All understood!
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No worries, I know you meant well. Just a few things to keep in mind moving forward, that's all.
[–]TempestTcup0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Maybe if you re-posted it as your personal views as an RPW; I'm not sure that this speaks for the sub as a whole.
If you want, you can just copy the whole post and paste it under another name like "Some clarification of what I personally think".
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link
Feel free to add or critique as needed, dear. :-)
I would love to hear what differences you have, we are a very diverse community after-all!
Edit: It is much like clumping all of 'feminism' together - you just can't. This post is more geared towards the lurkers who may feel that we are "extreme". I've recently received a few messages asking for a further elaboration on a couple of points that I have made and felt that it would be easier just to make a post.
I am actually not too sure what exactly you wouldn't agree with, T. Captain / co captain, opposites attract, proper interaction with men, and both men and women being free to pursue whatever it is they want if they want, etc.
[–]TempestTcup1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
I guess that I should have said that this doesn't speak for me. It also sounds like you are trying to sell the sub and bridge the gap between TBP and RPW. It is really a huge bait for trolls.
I like this idea:
Also, when men hear a female voice, it does not activate the same region of the brain as a male voice would. Men hear our melodies[2] when we speak. Our voices activate a completely different part of the brain! Science is so fun, right?!
Why not flesh that one out and post it instead? Write what you think of the article and maybe use some of their quotes or something.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I am curious as to how it does not speak for you though!
I am certainly not trying to "sell" anything - I am bringing up valid points, feelings, and concerns that people have mentioned to me. Even traditional women who were unaware of "RP" terminology have come over here just to be confused and end up asking the same questions over & over again.
To be completely fair, nearly every post we have is "bait" for trolls. Our very femininity ruffles their feathers.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes, certain things will always be repeated and covered multiple times as new users wander our way - and that's fine. It's good practice for established users to answer the questions, and have an opportunity to interact with the newer ones. It's a process. :0)
There's a lot of material on the side-bar as well that people fail to look over and read, we provide the links, and users answer their questions. Unfortunately no one post will put a stop to this trend, so we deal with situations as they develop.
One of the problems is that you say RPW have much in common with Feminism.
The difference between us and westernized modern-feminism is that we understand the biological differences between men and women. We accept them as a fact & use our skills to interact with men in a healthy and positive way.
In regards to your list:
women have always worked, and they did so long before Feminism was even an idea.
Being treated with respect isn't a right - respect has to be earned.
Pursue a life of happiness - RPW certainly doesn't endorse that if the life a woman is trying to pursue is littered with casual flings, random hook-ups and acting like an alley cat.
Attend school - education and school is an option, there are users here that never finished high school, while others have graduated. I believe education is very important, but I know other users that would say differently.
Vote - I'm not really sure why you used this in your post as it has nothing to do with anything really haha! I know that trolls and non-RP users can say outlandish things, but nowhere has this sub ever said "Yeah, women shouldn't vote."
[–]TempestTcup0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Okay, I will be honest; I thought this was an awful post. Really awful. Duh, of course we all have those rights; everyone KNOWS that. I see no reason to point out COMMON KNOWLEDGE!
The whole post was hastily written and too many different ideas thrown together in a sort of mish-mash. PLUS, you are trying to speak for the ENTIRE SUB; not all RPW are on board with this post, with you stating your ideas as FACTS. The first reaction I had when other RPW alerted me to this post was horror.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Ouch. I didn't mean to annoy you, I just wasn't understanding..
[–]TempestTcup-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You didn't annoy me - it's just that if someone is going to define an entire sub's mission statement, maybe it should be thought out and concise. And it should actually BE what RPW think.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Well, Phantom came by and explained the situation a bit more clearly. I certainly did not mean to speak for all of the ladies.
There is absolutely no way to accurately represent everyone in the community - that is just absurd. We are a very diverse group of people.
[–]TempestTcup-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Right, but your title does say "what WE are" not "my personal feelings".
I did like that part I mentioned above, though. Maybe that would be a good post. This post just isn't doing it for me even if you did change the title.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Understood, but it was more of a generalization and not a firm "this is whats going on".
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