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The Art of Manliness: Elements of Charisma (Part 2) - Power

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Title The Art of Manliness: Elements of Charisma (Part 2) - Power
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Date November 14, 2013 8:20 AM UTC
(12 years ago)
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[–]Kombaiya2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd like to share something I've found out which may be relevant to Charisma.

I remember one of my first jobs, I was very nervous about socialising. I started in an office where everyone was much more outgoing than I was and felt a little intimidated. Especially for the fact that it was quite a dysfunctional office. There was this guy who was extremely unpopular, everyone seemed to take the piss out of him. I felt sorry for the guy. He was actually much nicer than most people there, so I decided rather than going along with the crowd and joining in mocking him, that I'd become friends with him. He was actually a great musician, played flamenco guitar and stuff and was actually a really cool guy. I guess he just didn't fit in with the office beauty standards and his clothes were ridiculously bad.

So I became friends with him and he was much more intelligent than anyone else in the office by a mile so we'd have these really ridiculous conversations. I was somewhat scared that the people would start to ridicule me as well like they do in schools but this didn't happen. In fact when I got one of my longterm friends a job there, he couldn't believe how popular I was. I just didn't engage in any office politics and never badmouthed anyone. People also stopped mocking my friend.

I found this out by accident but I've seen since how Diana became 'the peoples princess' because she would find the most downtrodden person in the crowd and say hello to them instead of the most handsome.

I've used this many times since, there often people in places like this which no one wants to talk to but look like they are dying for a conversation. I was in one once and the average age was around 25 but there was a 50 year old man sitting at a table in the middle of the packed place rolling up a cigarette. Everyone seemed to have formed a circle around him and I felt like they were giving bad vibes towards him. So I sat down at his table and started a conversation, he seemed really pleased to be talking to someone, after a while one of my friends dragged me away and it felt that everyone wanted my attention. I also noticed that others who seemed to be apprehensive of the guy were now talking to him and he was enjoying himself.

Anyway, another great article by the art of manliness. I really like there stuff.

[–]redpill801 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're finding value in people who don't have value based on pre-selection/ popular opinion. That's awesome. I've noticed that a lot of alpha males will go talk/spend time with someone otherwise considered invisible. And not for any specific reason, but just cause that person looked like they could use a convo.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Great blog. Has some red pill sprinkled throughout. Nothing Im sure many havent heard before, but still a helpful reminder. Be sure to read part 1 on Presence also, and look out for part 3 on Warmth Im guessing in a few days.

Power is the element that many just swallowing the pill need the most Im guessing. While it's hugely important it needs to be coupled with the other elements too, lest one comes off as just another "alpha douche". We're all better than that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Regarding power poses: does anyone have idea what is the best way to sit while using the computer, besides the normal ergonony thing (which everybody knows but nobody really does)? I work on a laptop and generally feel constrained, leaning forward, chicken-necking forward. I won't requisition a bigger screen because I don't really need people sitting at the desks behind me watch everything I do. Also I don't sit in a fixed place, two days every week when a very loud female coworker (as in, constantly whining, laughing, sniffing, talking to herself, hollering greetings to people waling by, always making noises, not being able to bear silence) is in the office I go and sit in a meeting room with the laptop.

[–][deleted] 1 points1 points1 points 12 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]sushisection0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dat lean

[–]theVet0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a surprisingly good article given that their fitness related stuff is usually complete and utter flavor of the month bullshit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

The article is absolutely greet, I only have a beef with this part:

people tended to follow a jaywalker sooner and more frequently if he was wearing a well-tailored suit

Maybe this is cultural but I never really understood the US focus on suits. They are just the "uniforms" of office workers. Wearing them for no good work related reason is like wearing car mechanic coveralls for no good reason.

To me a well dressed man means well dressed casual, designer leather jacket, designer t-shirt, designer dark blue jeans. Leather but comfy rubber soles. This is a well dressed man. Not some pretending to work in a bank 24/7. That would just come accross as a try-hard.

I mean, do you want to come accross as someone who has a serious job, or do you want to come accross as someone who does not need a job?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Your example of a well dressed man is definitely not my style. I love the suit look. It conveys everything I want personally. Women love it too. There are also many different kinds and variations of suits you can wear. Tie or no tie. Vest or no vest. All different kinds of undershirts and colors. Its versatile and not some generic thing. The average office suit looks good, but theres a difference between that and the one you wear when you really want to impress. You can be more casual with it also. There are some occasions when wearing a suit is clearly overdressing though. Thats where the undershirt/button down comes in with some gina tingling rolled up sleeves.

All that quote was saying is that a person in an average suit commands much more respect than someone in a baggy t shirt. That clothes do factor into how people perceive your power which is a common sense thing.

You're telling me these dont look sexy as fuck?

http://www.menswearhouse.com/mens-clothing-sale/mens-suits

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't know, to me these come accross as too serious, all work, no fun.

OTOH there are indeed cool ways of suiting up, I did that in the past when I was on the market, generally it means wearing a shirt outside the pants, buttons on chest open, some pendant in the neck, for example the shirt could be black silk and not the kind that calls for a tie, and the suit can be white or black. That is really cool IMHO, desperado - playboy style. Extra boldness points for folding out the shirt collars over the jacket collar. (Sounds weird but doable, depends on the shirt.) I did that shit all the time when I was young and clubbing.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Suits have a wide tradition as evening and recreational wear. Suits being solely a work uniform is a more recent phenomenon. That said its today that counts and you have to dress to context and occasion. I almost always wear a high quality plain t-shirt (white/grey), dark raw denim jeans, a leather jacket and either canvas sneakers or brown leather boots or a variation of the clark desert boot.

[–]RedSunBlue1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

it means wearing a shirt outside the pants, buttons on chest open, some pendant in the neck, for example the shirt could be black silk and not the kind that calls for a tie, and the suit can be white or black. That is really cool IMHO, desperado - playboy style. Extra boldness points for folding out the shirt collars over the jacket collar

...are you from the 80's? Does your Delorian come with transtemporal wifi?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And my game teacher is Larry Laffer :-D

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know, to me these come accross as too serious, all work, no fun.

You need a healthy dose of How I Met Your Mother.

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[–]followmarko0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I definitely disagree with your generalizations. I love wearing a suit to my corporate job and it is not forced or required by any means. Most people there wear a Polo or at most a buttondown sans tie.

[–]puaSenator0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I dunno. I worked for an extremely large corporate institution, near the very top. Some people wore suits, but most did not. 4/5 of the people that wore suits was either because they have been doing it their whole lives, or they wanted to feel like a boss. None of the executives wore them unless it was for a special occasion, like talking to the press, or an important meeting. The outside saw most of us in upper management as suit and tie type people, but once you were actually inside, no one really bothered. More people were focused on execution and strategy, and not how nice they look in suit and tie.

[–]RedSunBlue0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

you're an office drone forced to wear a suit.

I'm not sure where you live, but I'm going to take a stab and say you're in a non-major American city.

I've been living in Tokyo for a while, and I see/interact with a lot of suited men. A suit, much like any other form of haberdashery, sends out different signals depending on the execution.

Ill-fitting, cheap looking suit with shitty shoes and bed hair = boring ass worker drone

Fitted and stylish suit with nice shoes, neatly groomed = guy with social skills (or at the very least pride in his appearance)

Of course, Not All Guys Who Wear Suits Are Like That™, but you get the idea.

[–]puaSenator0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Tokyo, maybe even NYC, are an exception because suits are really a part of the culture. But I too am coming from a bias of SF where suits are a symbol of the business 1.0 days.

But even then, when traveling the idea still holds true for the most part. The guy that is ALWAYS wearing his suit when it's not required, usually is the guy that wants everyone to think/know he's a powerful professional. When I'm doing consulting and you have the 28 year old sales guy unnecessarily wearing a suit (even worse when it's not fitted), I instantly assume that he's always trying to impress people, and is likely going to start bullshitting me.

[–]RedSunBlue0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tokyo, maybe even NYC, are an exception because suits are really a part of the culture.

In Tokyo, definitely. But in America, it seems that the appropriateness of suits depends on the industry. Finance, banking, and their related consultants are usually suited up. Tech sectors are biz-caz or straight up casual.

I think that fashion is just another demonstration of social intelligence. Guy in a fitted 3-piece suit at a hacker conference? Probably looks like douche. Same guy at a lawyer booze 'n schmooze? Probably looks like a winner.

28 year old sales guy

he's always trying to impress people, and is likely going to start bullshitting me.

Well, yeah. He's in sales.

Although I would say based on my above point that he's demonstrating low social intelligence by potentially alienating a client through his manner of dress.

[–]zxcvbnm0000 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A powerful professional or Dean Martin.

There are only certain attitudes and occasions that can go with it, though it's a shame it's so limited now.

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