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Population policy

Quadraphonic- · 2015-07-28T18:31:11+00:00

http://chineseposters.net/themes/population-policy.php Various types of campaigns to manage the size of the population started as early as the mid-1950s....

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July 28, 2015

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Title	Population policy
Author	Quadraphonic-
Upvotes	0
Comments	5
Date	July 28, 2015 6:31 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Agriculture and medical advances without birth quotas will always lead to disaster. The artificial food source allows many more people to live in the same amount of space and medical advances allow people to live who otherwise wouldn't. A population spike takes place and with each person requires more food, which requires more resources (positive feedback loop). Add in a debt based monetary system and you have the need to inifinitely expand to escape economic collapse. The most common ways are war and taxation, but that is only a temporary solution. The issue with recognizing this is the fact the consequences aren't experienced until a few generations after the cause.

The way to control the population is to target women. They are the bottlenecks of reproduction. Allow women to have children at a rate above replacement rate and then have birth control forever after. But how can you enforce that? Of course the topic of eugenics comes to mind, that's a whole other issue. I can come up with no other solution to an agriccultural society other than Brave New World, where people are are never born, they're genetically modified in artificial wombs for different levels of the caste system: alpha, beta, gamma, delta, semi moron epsilons. Then they have to be indoctrinated and conditioned on a consistent basis to believe they are best in their position. Then people are given, 'Soma', a drug that gets you high without any of the side effects. Once a month, people are then placed in machines that invoke emotional chaos that the brain requires to survive, removing the need for chaos in the environment aka society.

It's quite a mind boggling problem because the solution would require the death of several billion people and many artificial restraints which nobody will support willingly. The rise and fall of empires will continue as long as we dont address human nature, instincts developed in a hunter-gathere society. We have are not in balance with nature. Nature will always acheive balance. You can put it off for many decades, but the effects will come crashing down.

[–]Washedupoaf0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

One has to enjoy the Huxley dystopia as a distinct foil to the Orwell version. I personally think we are working towards a sort of Orwell/Huxley hybrid in actual society, vacuous and unfulfilling pursuits for the obedient and clandestine death for the not so. Where I grow the most curious is where the next Malthusian Trap lies in wait for our societies.

So much of what we rely on for our soft and easy (comparatively) modern lives depends upon things that so few understand, and even fewer could recreate. We are obviously in the descent of an empire now (I refer to the U.S. but could argue western civ as a whole honestly) and I am filled with equal parts intrigue and anxiety in thinking about the fall of and empire and the paradigm shift that will inevitably follows. After the fall of Rome, many people died, but Kings were minted in the chaos that followed from ordinary men who took charge and sought opportunity.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I havent read 1984 before, but plan to after my other books.

The malthusian trap exists for people who don't have industrialization, machinery and tools that can far exceed human capability. Industry only temporarily solves the problem, eventually the burden is shifted to other countries (the losing ones). Specialization and the division of labor divides the classes, forming a bigger and bigger gap between the lower class and the rest. This is why the average pay and standard of living doesnt increase by much, the burden simply displaces to the bottom, out of site out of mind. Also the big multibillion dollar companies like nike and walmart transfer their labor over seas to poorer countries who are poor precisely because of getting the wrong end of the stick of industrialization and previous historical turmoil like slavery in africa.

John malthus was also right about population decline, it was just that the Industrial Revolution (my post) has artificially postponed the consequences of over population. But the agriculutural system + plus a debt based monetary system + advanced medical care without birth quotas or mass death requires infinite growth and consumption to sustain. It wont last. Eventually war, theft, and consumption wont sustain our current population. Resources are limited. Nature will win out. Something has to give. Every species that has over populated, out growing the available substinence, experiences exponential decay as perfectly shown by this graph.

[–]Washedupoaf0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I guess I was referring to our current state of overpopulation and an artificially high carrying capacity as the malthusian trap. Not in the pre-industrial sense as he describes but as a function of a lot of what you stated, both here and in your posts. I guess at the core of it I am not possessed of a word to describe the rather complex issue of what is currently happening, perhaps a Warlockian trap?

Where we can certainly agree is that there will be a reckoning with our current societal management and our environment/resources. My trope that I throw out is that we just need a new plague that kills like 6 billion of the humans on earth. Seemed to work in favor of western civilization the last time a plague blew through. Do you think it will be a plague, weaponized or otherwise, that rebalances our species with nature? Or rather, what I consider the more likely option, resources wars and just your general societal breakdown that would follow if a keystone of our (artificially high) carrying capacity were to experience a severe supply chain shock/interruption? (Oil and water in all likelihood)

As an aside, 1984 was one of those books I couldn't put down. Read the last 60-100 pages while attending a D1 college football game in a loud ass stadium.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

In the show Ancient Aliens, episode 2 I believe, discusses the origin of the Grim Reaper. Apparently people in bubonic plague era spotted dark figures swinging a scythe looking staff with a mist trailing from it. Plagues soon followed. Maybe they were my warlock ancestors, and the torch will be passed down to me. Maybe it is my turn to spread pestilence, killing all the undesirables back down to a functional level.

History has shown two things. Either there is societal breakdown and people fight for resources or an empire collapses under its own weight, cohesion splits, and a neighboring power takes over, forming a new empire (ie Romans). Sweden and some other feminazi eastern european countries seem to be going the latter. With all their diversity quotas, allowing Muslim immigrants, a culture of very tight knit people with strong convinction of traditional values like community, will eventually reach critical mass and take over. You may not believe in Islam, but there is not doubt about their masculine culture and drive. They'll wipe out that piece of shit feminzi place with gender studies departments in video games, the gender politcal commissars military, and 'gender plows'.

More info:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tw3OQgFsHZI

Outside a hunter gatherer society, when human nature is in balance with the environment, when both genders naturally compliment eachother, civilization will inevitably collapse without extreme methods.